Things Get Even Crazier in Libya

The debut of the dictator’s son
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Muammar Gaddafi’s son suddenly makes a dramatic entrance:

The dramatic appearance Monday night of Gaddafi’s son Saif al-Islam at the Rixos hotel, where the Tripoli-based press corps remains trapped, contradicted the rebels’ assertion the day before that they had captured him and cast into doubt their claim of controlling 80 percent of the capital.

Video footage recorded by the Reuters news agency showed Saif al-Islam being greeted by supporters. “To hell with the ICC,” he said, in reference to the International Criminal Court, which has issued a warrant for his arrest. “We assure the people that things are fine in Libya.”

CNN reporter Matthew Chance tweeted this picture of Saif Gaddafi:

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1071 comments
1 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:31:40pm

This is getting confusing.

I guess Fog of War is a good explanation.

2 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:33:55pm

Looks like Tarabulus can't be captured in a day, after all.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:36:59pm

Russian BBC reported that acc. to their correspondent the rebels are losing ground in Tripoli.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Dunno if there's a corresponding Englang item.

4 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:38:10pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

Russian BBC reported that acc. to their correspondent the rebels are losing ground in Tripoli.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Dunno if there's a corresponding Englang item.

never trust a Russian

5 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:38:48pm

Libyan rebels come under attack near center of Tripoli


What Libyan rebels had predicted would be a day of street parties celebrating their takeover of Tripoli ended in a hurried retreat by some on Monday, when a brigade sent to set up security in the city came under fierce attack by forces loyal to Moammar Gaddafi.

The rebels’ arrival in the capital Sunday met little resistance, and by Monday, amid reports that some Gaddafi loyalists had laid down their weapons, opposition forces were in control of most parts of the city. But the clash, along the shores of the Mediterranean near the center of town, and reports of sniper fire across Tripoli made clear that the rebels’ control is far from complete.

6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:39:37pm

re: #4 albusteve

never trust a Russian

Racist much?

7 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:40:05pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

Racist much?

what race are Russians?

8 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:40:14pm

re: #2 jaunte

This map from Wikipedia might explain alot.

Red=Rebel : Green=Qaddafi

9 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:41:07pm

re: #8 ProLifeLiberal

Fashlum and Ben Ashur are having trouble.

10 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:41:14pm

re: #7 albusteve

what race are Russians?

The same 'race' as Europeans.

Actually the same race as all humans.

11 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:41:45pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

Racist much?

I think he was being flippant, not serious.

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:41:52pm

re: #7 albusteve

what race are Russians?

Russians are an ethnicity, to which racism also pertains (cf. antisemitism, which is a form of racism, despite Jews being an ethnic group, not a race). Now let's return to my question.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:42:34pm

re: #11 b_sharp

I think he was being flippant, not serious.

So it's OK to say "Never trust a Jew" etc.?

14 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:42:37pm

re: #8 ProLifeLiberal

I'm watching this twitter feed and thinking that the opposite of what they broadcast is probably true:

The truth about Libya - الحقيقة من اجل ليبيا
In #Tripoli now rebels are confused,asking for forgiveness and to join Gaddafi ranks after they see Seif al Islam.
Via NO Invasion in Libya لا لغزو ليبيا
15 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:43:22pm

Pockets of resistance as rebels claim Tripoli

The head of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) has announced the end of the Gaddafi era, while sporadic fighting continued across the capital, Tripoli.

Fighting and gun battles erupted in parts of Tripoli on Monday after tanks left Bab al-Azizyah, Muammar Gaddafi's compound, to confront the rebel assault that gained control of much of the capital in a battle overnight.

Many of the streets in the centre of the city - where anti-government supporters had celebrated hours earlier - were abandoned as pockets of pro-Gaddafi resistance and the presence of snipers and artillery fire made the area dangerous.

Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr, who entered the city with rebel fighters who advanced overnight on Sunday, said the security situation in the city was "tenuous," despite there being celebrations in the streets.

16 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:43:26pm

re: #12 Sergey Romanov

Russians are an ethnicity, to which racism also pertains (cf. antisemitism, which is a form of racism, despite Jews being an ethnic group, not a race). Now let's return to my question.

no...just practical

17 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:43:30pm

re: #14 jaunte

I'm watching this twitter feed and thinking that the opposite of what they broadcast is probably true:

Ask them if they have any advice on what stocks look good.

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:44:03pm

re: #16 albusteve

no...just practical

So it wasn't intended as a joke?

19 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:44:21pm

re: #14 jaunte

True, but those neighborhoods are going to have alot of fighting.

20 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:46:40pm

Never trust an albusteve.
There.
I said it. Finally. A weight off my shoulders.

21 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:47:27pm

re: #11 b_sharp

I think he was being flippant, not serious.

He needs to be called on it. He needs to rein himself in sometimes.

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:47:44pm

*crickets*

23 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:48:06pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

Never trust an albusteve.
There.
I said it. Finally. A weight off my shoulders.

Why, you -- individualist! or something...

24 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:48:36pm

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

So it wasn't intended as a joke?

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

So it wasn't intended as a joke?

re: #20 reine.de.tout

Never trust an albusteve.
There.
I said it. Finally. A weight off my shoulders.

LOL!

25 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:48:42pm

#mchancecnn:

Saif #Gadhafi told me that their forces had broken the backbone of the rebel forces in #Tripoli #Libya #cnn
26 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:49:12pm

re: #22 Sergey Romanov

*crickets*

relax dude

27 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:49:28pm

re: #25 jaunte

Off of this info, I think it is safe to say that Saif and Muammar are in the Rixos Hotel.

Cowards.

28 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:50:04pm

Evening everyone.

29 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:51:57pm

re: #28 Alexzander

Alot of Shenanigans in Tripoli tonight.

Body Doubles, Counterattacks, the works.

30 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:52:26pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

So it's OK to say "Never trust a Jew" etc.?

I think Jewish history is different than pretty much everyone else. They're been subject to oppression, abuse and even genocide throughout modern history. As far as I know, only the Roma have suffered as much. So no, it isn't OK to say "Never trust a Jew".

If he said, never trust a German, never trust a Scot, or never trust a Canadian, I would assume his comment was no more serious than some of the comments made in 'The Princess Bride'. ("Never trust a Sicilian when death is on the line..." )

People here make quite a few movie references.

31 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:52:37pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

He needs to be called on it. He needs to rein himself in sometimes.

okay, you got me...you can trust a Russian sometimes...but never trust a Puerto Rican

32 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:52:54pm

re: #29 ProLifeLiberal

Alot of Shenanigans in Tripoli tonight.

Body Doubles, Counterattacks, the works.

Human shields, too.

33 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:53:45pm

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

So it wasn't intended as a joke?

I think I need that answered as well, especially after standing up for Steve.

34 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:53:52pm

re: #32 jaunte

Oh, the journalists. Somehow had a brain fart.

Somebody is going to have to go in there, the Rixos.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:53:56pm

re: #26 albusteve

relax dude

The reason I was not moving on is simple - we're at the same blog, same community if you will, and I want to know whether I'm dealing with someone merely prone to stupid "jokes" or with a racist fuck.

I'm now dropping it. It's your call on whether to address the issue or not.

36 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:54:05pm

re: #30 b_sharp

I think Jewish history is different than pretty much everyone else. They're been subject to oppression, abuse and even genocide throughout modern history. As far as I know, only the Roma have suffered as much. So no, it isn't OK to say "Never trust a Jew".

If he said, never trust a German, never trust a Scot, or never trust a Canadian, I would assume his comment was no more serious than some of the comments made in 'The Princess Bride'. ("Never trust a Sicilian when death is on the line..." )

People here make quite a few movie references.

The line is "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"

37 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:54:34pm

re: #24 albusteve

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

re: #20 reine.de.tout

LOL!

Steve answer the question.

38 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:55:41pm

OK, here's the problem:

@jbaby56 Jacqueline Germany
Breking News: House won't accept Gaddafi surrender without cuts to Medicare and Social Security, and no revenue increases.How about that?

39 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:56:17pm

re: #37 b_sharp

Steve answer the question.

what was the question again?

40 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:56:23pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

So it's OK to say "Never trust a Jew" etc.?

Never trust an elf!

41 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:56:44pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Sounds like reality.

42 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:57:01pm

`This is why you don't capture dickheads. Be done with it and let the worms sort it out.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:57:20pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

So it's OK to say "Never trust a Jew" etc.?

NEVER TRUST RAIDERFAN

44 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:57:31pm

re: #40 Alouette

Never trust an elf!

Some of my best friends are Elfs
/

45 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:57:31pm

NATO dropping leaflets in Tripoli
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:57:57pm

re: #43 WindUpBird

Who?

47 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:58:41pm

re: #40 Alouette

Never trust an elf!

Nobody tosses a dwarf!

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:58:43pm

re: #46 Sergey Romanov

Who?

RAIDERFAN

49 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:58:59pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

`This is why you don't capture dickheads. Be done with it and let the worms sort it out.

agreed

50 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:59:02pm

re: #45 jaunte

NATO dropping leaflets in Tripoli
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]

Amnesty International preparing paper cut lawsuits.

51 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:59:28pm

re: #40 Alouette

Never trust an elf!

WHAT?

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:00:18pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

Something to do with that quirky game you call football?

53 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:00:26pm

Time to feed the kittehs.

Later, lizards.

54 elisabeth  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:00:29pm

re: #31 albusteve

I thought your initial comment about the Russians was meant to be flippant but now you're pushing it. Sometimes it's better to quit before you go completely stupid. IMHO.

55 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:00:51pm

Sergey, I apologize. I made an assumption that I shouldn't have that affected you directly. It was short sighted and ignorant.

56 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:01:20pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov

Something to do with that quirky game you call football?

Correct. There were some hooligan style fights over the past couple days.

Maybe European soccer/football hooliganism is finally blossoming in North America?

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:01:21pm

re: #49 albusteve

agreed

Wait, I washed for dinner.
/Bin Laden

58 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:01:52pm

re: #54 elisabeth

I thought your initial comment about the Russians was meant to be flippant but now you're pushing it. Sometimes it's better to quit before you go completely stupid. IMHO.

Never go full....stupid.
//

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:02:18pm

re: #55 b_sharp

Sergey, I apologize. I made an assumption that I shouldn't have that affected you directly. It was short sighted and ignorant.

Eh, I dunno what you are talking about, and let's drop it anyway.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:02:22pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov

Something to do with that quirky game you call football?

well, vestigially, yes!

61 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:02:43pm

re: #54 elisabeth

I thought your initial comment about the Russians was meant to be flippant but now you're pushing it. Sometimes it's better to quit before you go completely stupid. IMHO.

I have a theory....

62 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:02:50pm

This is probably how Albusteve feels right now after all these downdings:

Image: 8gVT9.jpg

//

63 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:03:29pm

re: #61 albusteve

I have a theory...

You know who else had a theory?
//

64 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:03:31pm

re: #62 Alexzander

This is probably how Albusteve feels right now after all these downdings:

Image: 8gVT9.jpg

//

not

65 BishopX  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:04:01pm

re: #62 Alexzander

Well at least the kid isn't in the corner yet...

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:04:37pm

re: #63 Alexzander

You know who else had a theory?
//

Einstein?

67 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:04:38pm

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

Eh, I dunno what you are talking about, and let's drop it anyway.

Drop what?

Forgotten.

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:04:42pm

re: #63 Alexzander

You know who else had a theory?
//

That Fermat guy, the bastard

69 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:05:17pm

re: #64 albusteve

not

I know I know.
Probably more like this:

Image: 24.png

70 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:05:21pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

He's a trickster, with that silent t.

71 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:05:26pm

let me clarify....
never trust a dwarf Russian elf from Puerto Rico...
got it?

72 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:05:37pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

That Fermat guy, the bastard

I mean, really, who the hell has a name like Fermat?

73 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:06:43pm

re: #69 Alexzander

I know I know.
Probably more like this:

Image: 24.png

not again

74 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:07:11pm

re: #71 albusteve

let me clarify...
never trust a dwarf Russian elf from Puerto Rico...
got it?

I try to be open minded, but every time I trust a dwarf Russian elf from Puerto Rico, I end up waking up in a tub of cold water, short a kidney.

75 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:08:12pm

re: #73 albusteve

not again

Image: 34.png

76 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:08:24pm

re: #71 albusteve

let me clarify...
never trust a dwarf Russian elf from Puerto Rico...
got it?

Who's named "albusteve". Is that right?

77 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:08:38pm

re: #74 Alexzander

I try to be open minded, but every time I trust a dwarf Russian elf from Puerto Rico, I end up waking up in a tub of cold water, short a kidney.

kidneys are more valuable than gold...you should have your own island

78 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:09:16pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Who's named "albusteve". Is that right?

I am NOT a dwarf

79 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:09:36pm

re: #77 albusteve

kidneys are more valuable than gold...you should have your own island

Yeah, I'm super lucky mine grow back like Charles' last shred of respect (according to our friends across the river at the stalker blog).

80 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:09:54pm

I shall call myself - b_incredibly_annoyed.

81 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:10:37pm

re: #75 Alexzander

Image: 34.png

I think this is more what he is going for with his online "persona":

Image: archie_bunker7.jpg

82 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:10:44pm

re: #80 b_sharp

raging_b

83 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:10:54pm

re: #80 b_sharp

I shall call myself - b_incredibly_annoyed.

aw. no. Don't b_incredibly_annoyed. Please?

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:11:31pm

re: #74 Alexzander

I try to be open minded, but every time I trust a dwarf Russian elf from Puerto Rico, I end up waking up in a tub of cold water, short a kidney.

Eh, those dwarvish elves, are they unicorns by chance?

Youtube Video
85 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:11:50pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

RAIDERFAN

I was a huge Raider fan as a kid growing up in Napa...Then became a 49er fan when Montana played..
But really..We kids would run outside and play during halftime and I was the the Snake..We were both left handers so he was my hero..
Loved those days

86 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:11:52pm

Welp. Gotta wait. There'll be no jump tonight. Or morning.

87 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:12:35pm

join me in the shower?

88 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:13:05pm

I've seen steve say some incredibly ridiculous things, and some incredibly grumpy things, and some things that weren't particularly well considered, but I don't believe I've ever known steve to show a bit of racism toward anybody.

89 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:13:30pm

"This is the outfit we are looking for #Gaddafi in, everybody:"
[Link: twitpic.com...]

90 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:13:48pm

Well, we know what happened with Saif:

AJELive AJELive
Waheed Burshan, a NTC member says 'we had confirmation Saif al-Islam was arrested but he had escaped, we don't know how he escaped #libya

Derp Herp Derp

91 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:14:11pm

Inglourious Basterds - Hi Sallys

Youtube Video

Namaste, Y'all
92 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:15:04pm

re: #87 albusteve

join me in the shower?

You know you have had a good shower when he get out feeling dirtier than when you went in...

93 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:15:46pm

re: #79 Alexzander

Yeah, I'm super lucky mine grow back like Charles' last shred of respect (according to our friends across the river at the stalker blog).

What kind of alien are you?

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:15:46pm

There should be a sort of a law - when a country's money has a snout of its current leader on it, it's in trouble:

Image: Libyan_Dinar_50_Dinars_Note.JPG

95 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:16:36pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

I was a huge Raider fan as a kid growing up in Napa...Then became a 49er fan when Montana played..
But really..We kids would run outside and play during halftime and I was the the Snake..We were both left handers so he was my hero..
Loved those days

Ahhh, Ken Stabler, perhaps the best quarterback not to make the Hall of Fame. I wasn't around to watch him but from what I hear, he really gave those great Steeler teams of the '70s fits.

96 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:16:37pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

aw. no. Don't b_incredibly_annoyed. Please?

OK, since you asked.

97 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:17:25pm

re: #96 b_sharp

OK, since you asked.

:-)

98 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:19:15pm

OT:

This is in mind because I passed by the Seattle Anarchist Bookfair this weekend.
The Background:
 Within, certain anarchist subcultures, namely the insurrectionist/smash windows of the police variety, there is a pretty clear anti-intellectual disposition, owning to the perception that academia and some forms of intellectualism are elitist and mostly serve to maintain certain opressive hierarchies.
The Joke:
 Two anarchists are working away in the basement making some molotov cocktails as safely as possible. When the've finished making several, the first turns to second and asks "Where do you want to throw these?", to which the second replies "What?!? Are you some kind of fucking intellectual?"

99 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:19:51pm

re: #93 b_sharp

What kind of alien are you?

I have no natural home. Cosmic Nomad.

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:20:20pm

His son doesn't look nearly as ugly has he is.

First there was anti-matter, now dark energy. And we have a camera--right here in Chicagoland, that will detect it.

I don't think they have it pointed towards Libya tho.

How is everyone?

101 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:20:35pm

re: #99 Alexzander

I have no natural home. Cosmic Nomad.

do you have your towel?

102 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:21:36pm

re: #101 ggt

do you have your towel?

Always. And babelfish when I dont misplace it.

103 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:21:37pm

re: #94 Sergey Romanov

There should be a sort of a law - when a country's money has a snout of its current leader on it, it's in trouble:

Image: Libyan_Dinar_50_Dinars_Note.JPG

Ya know, that is a very good point!

104 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:23:03pm

re: #99 Alexzander

I have no natural home. Cosmic Nomad.

Do you have to wear gloves?

105 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:23:27pm

re: #98 Alexzander

OT:

This is in mind because I passed by the Seattle Anarchist Bookfair this weekend.
The Background:
 Within, certain anarchist subcultures, namely the insurrectionist/smash windows of the police variety, there is a pretty clear anti-intellectual disposition, owning to the perception that academia and some forms of intellectualism are elitist and mostly serve to maintain certain opressive hierarchies.
The Joke:
 Two anarchists are working away in the basement making some molotov cocktails as safely as possible. When the've finished making several, the first turns to second and asks "Where do you want to throw these?", to which the second replies "What?!? Are you some kind of fucking intellectual?"

Wouldn't happen to be that same bookstore that I narrowly escaped an anti-corporate beatdown a week or so back? q;

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:25:26pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

Some of my best friends are Elfs
/

Would that be "Elves" ?

107 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:26:58pm

re: #106 ggt

Would that be "Elves" ?

And would they be of the Middle-Earth or Keebler variety?

108 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:28:06pm

re: #106 ggt

Would that be "Elves" ?

Not the Tripoli Elfs footballers.

109 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:28:28pm

re: #107 laZardo

And would they be of the Middle-Earth or Keebler variety?

Which make better cookies?

110 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:29:19pm

re: #95 Atlas Fails

Ahhh, Ken Stabler, perhaps the best quarterback not to make the Hall of Fame. I wasn't around to watch him but from what I hear, he really gave those great Steeler teams of the '70s fits.

he was a real fun guy to watch...never gave up on a play and he had that sidearm toss to Casper that just killed you....not a HoF tho

111 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:29:33pm

re: #107 laZardo

And would they be of the Middle-Earth or Keebler variety?

Either.

re: #109 b_sharp

Which make better cookies?

They had cookies in Middle-Earth?

I thought they just had those cake/bread things that were supposed to sustain a man for 3 days, but the Hobbits for only 2 hours.

112 freetoken  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:29:39pm

re: #100 ggt

First there was anti-matter, now dark energy. And we have a camera--right here in Chicagoland, that will detect it.


Neat camera.

"Dark Energy" is just a label that is shorthand for "that which is accelerating the expansion of the universe."

If we had never discovered that distant galaxies are not only receding from us but are also accelerating (thus, an application of a force is evident) away from us, then "dark energy" would not be something about which astrophysicists discuss.

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:30:02pm

re: #110 albusteve

he was a real fun guy to watch...never gave up on a play and he had that sidearm toss to Casper that just killed you...not a HoF tho

Casper the Friendly Ghost played football?

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:30:52pm

re: #112 freetoken

Neat camera.

"Dark Energy" is just a label that is shorthand for "that which is accelerating the expansion of the universe."

If we had never discovered that distant galaxies are not only receding from us but are also accelerating (thus, an application of a force is evident) away from us, then "dark energy" would not be something about which astrophysicists discuss.

But can we harness it and use it to heat our houses?

115 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:31:02pm

re: #113 ggt

Casper the Friendly Ghost played football?

did he ever

116 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:31:25pm

re: #109 b_sharp

Which make better cookies?

The Middle Earth ones, but you have to mince them finely, not coarse.

117 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:32:39pm

re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Middle Earth ones, but you have to mince them finely, not coarse.

Mmm. Minced elf.

118 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:33:52pm

re: #105 laZardo

Wouldn't happen to be that same bookstore that I narrowly escaped an anti-corporate beatdown a week or so back? q;

They had a table at the event, but it was held at another location at Seattle Center. The Vera Project, to be specific, hosted the event. It was this Saturday and Sunday.
[Link: seattleanarchistbookfair.org...]

119 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:34:15pm

I listened to this book on Audio (very good narration, BTW), and am ambivilent about seeing the movie. There is only so much reality I can take.

I grew-up in the Detroit Suburbs during the 70's. The Northern version of things was close enough to the Southern that I don't want to relive it, even in a movie.

I don't have good memories of race relations in my youth.

Although, I will say the book got the part of the children LOVING their "help'. I still miss our cleaning lady.

120 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:34:47pm

re: #117 b_sharp

Mmm. Minced elf.

That is just wrong.

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:35:27pm

What is the difference between an anarchist and a sovereign citizen?

122 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:36:29pm

re: #121 ggt

What is the difference between an anarchist and a sovereign citizen?

what?

123 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:36:36pm

This week is my 40th anniversary, and I'm getting a new desktop and monitor, and wireless router.

Oh and Zedushka is buying me a present too.

124 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:37:01pm

re: #121 ggt

What is the difference between an anarchist and a sovereign citizen?

The former prefers bombs, the latter, guns.

125 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:37:05pm

re: #120 ggt

That is just wrong.

No, stewed correctly with a bit of cilantro and saffron it's quite good.

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:37:36pm

re: #121 ggt

What is the difference between an anarchist and a sovereign citizen?

A Philosophy degree.

127 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:37:57pm

re: #125 b_sharp

No, stewed correctly with a bit of cilantro and saffron it's quite good.

With potatoes! Poh-tay-toes!

128 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:38:10pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

A Philosophy degree.

mega LOL.

129 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:38:21pm

re: #125 b_sharp

No, stewed correctly with a bit of cilantro and saffron it's quite good.

Oh, I beg to differ.
The only seasoning worth putting on anything is Tony Chachere's Creole seasoning.

130 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:38:31pm

re: #125 b_sharp

No, stewed correctly with a bit of cilantro and saffron it's quite good.

The first person to make a "I'm just wild about saffron" comment will be deep fried.

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:38:32pm

re: #110 albusteve

he was a real fun guy to watch...never gave up on a play and he had that sidearm toss to Casper that just killed you...not a HoF tho

Hearing his name reminds me of Lynn Dickey. Damn good QB on a string of meh to crappy teams, but he always played his heart out on every down even after a leg break that would end many player's careers. One of the few non "rabid fan" reasons to watch the Packers in the early '80's.

132 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:38:54pm

re: #127 Alouette

With potatoes! Poh-tay-toes!

Use turnips instead, they don't get mushy.

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:39:04pm

I think this is sooooo kewl!

134 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:39:59pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Oh, I beg to differ.
The only seasoning worth putting on anything is Tony Chachere's Creole seasoning.

Yaaay!
always have me some Tony's in the galley

135 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:40:00pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Oh, I beg to differ.
The only seasoning worth putting on anything is Tony Chachere's Creole seasoning.

Does it contain garlic?

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:40:38pm

re: #122 Alexzander

what?

I think Jaunte answered it.

I was seriously asking, it wasn't a joke.

But . . . . . .

137 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:40:53pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Oh, I beg to differ.
The only seasoning worth putting on anything is Tony Chachere's Creole seasoning.

Only if you live in the south.

(My wife is driving me crazy, she wants me to take her to New Orleans)

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:41:15pm

re: #123 Alouette

This week is my 40th anniversary, and I'm getting a new desktop and monitor, and wireless router.

Oh and Zedushka is buying me a present too.

40 years. How did you get thru it without killing him?

:0

139 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:41:22pm

re: #134 albusteve

Yaaay!
always have me some Tony's in the galley

It makes everything better.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:41:59pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

It makes everything better.

everything ?

141 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:42:12pm

re: #138 ggt

40 years. How did you get thru it without killing him?

:0

Please. Fearful husbands need to know.

142 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:42:16pm

re: #137 b_sharp

Only if you live in the south.

(My wife is driving me crazy, she wants me to take her to New Orleans)

If you come to Louisiana, of course visit New Orleans.
But let me know and I'll send you some suggestions for NOLA things to do/see. And also some things for other areas of the state, which are also great.

143 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:42:38pm

re: #140 ggt

everything ?

Oh, YES.

144 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:42:50pm

re: #140 ggt

everything ?

Would you prefer strawberries and whipped cream?

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:43:02pm

OT, SF Geek time:

Ok, fans of The Culture.

I've tried to get through Consider Phlebas but just can't get interested enough to get past this 2/3's bit where I'm at. Are any of the other books a better "intro"?

I'm a Heinlein, Brin, Clarke & McMasters kind of fan if that explains anything.

146 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:43:03pm

re: #131 wlewisiii

Hearing his name reminds me of Lynn Dickey. Damn good QB on a string of meh to crappy teams, but he always played his heart out on every down even after a leg break that would end many player's careers. One of the few non "rabid fan" reasons to watch the Packers in the early '80's.

yup...as the decades roll by, QBs are unfairly judged by their SB wins....Danny White, who followed Staubach comes to mind....a terrific player who didn't win the big one...and btw, Dicky was a very smart, tough player....on a bad team

147 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:43:05pm

re: #143 reine.de.tout

Oh, YES.

Rule 34 better?

148 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:43:48pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

If you come to Louisiana, of course visit New Orleans.
But let me know and I'll send you some suggestions for NOLA things to do/see. And also some things for other areas of the state, which are also great.

What's the area like in January/February?

149 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:43:54pm

re: #135 ggt

Does it contain garlic?

Yes. And salt. And red pepper. And other secret spices they won't list on the label.

150 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:44:03pm

re: #140 ggt

everything ?

It's a sovereign seasoning.

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:44:09pm

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rule 34 better?

There are rules?

152 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:44:37pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Oh, I beg to differ.
The only seasoning worth putting on anything is Tony Chachere's Creole seasoning.

Too regional!

(Damn funny, though.)

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:11pm

re: #150 jaunte

It's a sovereign seasoning.

Is that better than an anarchoseasoning?

154 BishopX  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:11pm

re: #145 wlewisiii

OT, SF Geek time:

Ok, fans of The Culture.

I've tried to get through Consider Phlebas but just can't get interested enough to get past this 2/3's bit where I'm at. Are any of the other books a better "intro"?

I'm a Heinlein, Brin, Clarke & McMasters kind of fan if that explains anything.

I really dug Player of Games. It's pretty self contained, but you get an idea of what the Culture is all about.

155 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:30pm

re: #151 ggt

There are rules?

Rule 34


If it exists, there is porn of it.
156 BishopX  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:31pm

re: #153 ggt

Is that better than an anarchoseasoning?

Just better armed.

157 freetoken  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:32pm

re: #114 ggt

But can we harness it and use it to heat our houses?

No. Even if we could figure out what "it" is, it is far, far too "weak" (more accurately, the amount available per unit space is too little.) The only reason there is enough to push the galaxies apart is because there is lots and lots and lots of space out there.

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:43pm

re: #149 reine.de.tout

Yes. And salt. And red pepper. And other secret spices they won't list on the label.

I don't trust anything that won't disclose it's ingredients.

159 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:45:45pm

re: #153 ggt

It's da bomb.

160 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:46:21pm

re: #136 ggt

I think Jaunte answered it.

I was seriously asking, it wasn't a joke.

But . . .

Ohhh damn. Well, excellent setup for Jaunte nevertheless.

To answer somewhat honestly, Anarchists are motivated by a pretty comprehensive, if stubborn, orientation towards hierachical power and oppression. This means being aware of the dangers of racism, ableism, sexism, LGBTQ issues, environmentalism (in some cases), classism, homophobia, xenohobia (especially), etc etc.

Soverign citizens dont have a comprehensive ethical analysis - they disagree with some of the historical legal issues surrounding things like taxation that primary affect their own circumstance.

161 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:46:28pm

re: #145 wlewisiii

OT, SF Geek time:

Ok, fans of The Culture.

I've tried to get through Consider Phlebas but just can't get interested enough to get past this 2/3's bit where I'm at. Are any of the other books a better "intro"?

I'm a Heinlein, Brin, Clarke & McMasters kind of fan if that explains anything.

I've tried two, and only got through one.

My tastes are the same as yours.

162 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:47:08pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

If you come to Louisiana, of course visit New Orleans.
But let me know and I'll send you some suggestions for NOLA things to do/see. And also some things for other areas of the state, which are also great.

woohoo!
I love hearing first impressions of NOLAtown...really tho, most people just don't get it....they don't see what they look at...they see what they determined prior

163 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:47:23pm

My poor Dog Winston..Monday night Football is lousy .The Giants have kicked butt tonight..
I play 1-2-3 with Winston since I've had him.. I probably have 5000 posts about Winston here..I need to search and write a book about him.. I'm a first time pet owner so some of the stuff was pretty funny..
Hoops: One! Throws Winston into the air like a little baby..
Winston: Are you effen nuts..I'm not a bird! Do I look like I need flight Training?
Hoops: Two! Pitching Winston up about 5 feet above me..What is funny right now is his eyes..After all this time he looks like he is going to die..
Eyes wide open Bitch..
Hoops: Three! I toss him up to the ceiling..Waiting for him to fail into my arms with his legs spread apart like they were wings...
Winston: Does the look in my eyes show I'm having a great Time? Does it?
Hoops: Wanna do it again?
Winston: Oh dear Dog God Make him stop...
Hoops: One!
Winston: Here we go again.. I'm flying! ( I hate him)
Hoops: Two!
Winston: I'm Flying! ( I swear to gawd I'll figure out some way to join you up on a terrorists Network while you are at work and dial 911)
Hoops: Three! Tosses Winston up
Winston: I signed you up for a charity in Iran...How do you feeling now mr. air force?
Hoops: Did you have fun Winston?

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:47:26pm

re: #157 freetoken

No. Even if we could figure out what "it" is, it is far, far too "weak" (more accurately, the amount available per unit space is too little.) The only reason there is enough to push the galaxies apart is because there is lots and lots and lots of space out there.

Well, I think we could find better use of all that science. If we can't make a renewable form of energy from it, we should put that project on the back burner and work on something that will get us out of of SAUDI.

/:)

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:47:47pm

re: #154 BishopX

I really dug Player of Games. It's pretty self contained, but you get an idea of what the Culture is all about.

Thanks, I'll hit the library up for that one then. I want to give the series a fair shot but don't know where to begin.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:00pm

re: #159 jaunte

It's da bomb.

Then it's an anarchoseasoning, not a sovereign seasoning.

Am I getting this right?

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:20pm

re: #160 Alexzander

Ohhh damn. Well, excellent setup for Jaunte nevertheless.

To answer somewhat honestly, Anarchists are motivated by a pretty comprehensive, if stubborn, orientation towards hierachical power and oppression. This means being aware of the dangers of racism, ableism, sexism, LGBTQ issues, environmentalism (in some cases), classism, homophobia, xenohobia (especially), etc etc.

Soverign citizens dont have a comprehensive ethical analysis - they disagree with some of the historical legal issues surrounding things like taxation that primary affect their own circumstance.

Thank you

168 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:23pm

re: #160 Alexzander

Ohhh damn. Well, excellent setup for Jaunte nevertheless.

To answer somewhat honestly, Anarchists are motivated by a pretty comprehensive, if stubborn, orientation towards hierachical power and oppression. This means being aware of the dangers of racism, ableism, sexism, LGBTQ issues, environmentalism (in some cases), classism, homophobia, xenohobia (especially), etc etc.

Soverign citizens dont have a comprehensive ethical analysis - they disagree with some of the historical legal issues surrounding things like taxation that primary affect their own circumstance.

..And their parents had a dental plan.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:30pm

re: #161 b_sharp

I've tried two, and only got through one.

My tastes are the same as yours.

That helps too. Thanks.

170 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:42pm

re: #166 ggt

Now I've confused myself.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:53pm

re: #161 b_sharp

I've tried two, and only got through one.

My tastes are the same as yours.

I read one. It was ok. Not making me want to read more. I wouldn't object if there was nothing else in my audible queue. It was well written.

172 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:48:55pm

re: #148 b_sharp

What's the area like in January/February?

January could be OK, or not. High's low-mid 60's, lows in low to mid 40's, a few colder days on occasion. It's our coolest month.

February would be better, temps every so slightly warmer esp. toward the end of Feb, but then you're looking at being there during carnival season. Whether you want that or not, is up to you. Inflated prices, lots of crowds, etc.

And expect a little bit of rain.

173 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:49:48pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

My poor Dog Winston..Monday night Football is lousy .The Giants have kicked butt tonight..
I play 1-2-3 with Winston since I've had him.. I probably have 5000 posts about Winston here..I need to search and write a book about him.. I'm a first time pet owner so some of the stuff was pretty funny..
Hoops: One! Throws Winston into the air like a little baby..
Winston: Are you effen nuts..I'm not a bird! Do I look like I need flight Training?
Hoops: Two! Pitching Winston up about 5 feet above me..What is funny right now is his eyes..After all this time he looks like he is going to die..
Eyes wide open Bitch..
Hoops: Three! I toss him up to the ceiling..Waiting for him to fail into my arms with his legs spread apart like they were wings...
Winston: Does the look in my eyes show I'm having a great Time? Does it?
Hoops: Wanna do it again?
Winston: Oh dear Dog God Make him stop...
Hoops: One!
Winston: Here we go again.. I'm flying! ( I hate him)
Hoops: Two!
Winston: I'm Flying! ( I swear to gawd I'll figure out some way to join you up on a terrorists Network while you are at work and dial 911)
Hoops: Three! Tosses Winston up
Winston: I signed you up for a charity in Iran...How do you feeling now mr. air force?
Hoops: Did you have fun Winston?

Winston has way too much time on his paws if he is watching TV with you.

/////

174 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:50:14pm

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rule 34 better?

could be.

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:50:23pm

re: #170 jaunte

Now I've confused myself.

Welcome to my world.

176 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:50:38pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

January could be OK, or not. High's low-mid 60's, lows in low to mid 40's, a few colder days on occasion. It's our coolest month.

February would be better, temps every so slightly warmer esp. toward the end of Feb, but then you're looking at being there during carnival season. Whether you want that or not, is up to you. Inflated prices, lots of crowds, etc.

And expect a little bit of rain.

I went in July.

DON'T GO IN JULY.

177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:51:28pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

January could be OK, or not. High's low-mid 60's, lows in low to mid 40's, a few colder days on occasion. It's our coolest month.

February would be better, temps every so slightly warmer esp. toward the end of Feb, but then you're looking at being there during carnival season. Whether you want that or not, is up to you. Inflated prices, lots of crowds, etc.

And expect a little bit of rain.

Clover Grill has the best short order cooks.

[Link: www.clovergrill.com...]

178 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:51:31pm

re: #176 ggt

I went in July.

DON'T GO IN JULY.

heh...
true enough

179 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:53:12pm

re: #158 ggt

I don't trust anything that won't disclose it's ingredients.

I use it regularly, and I'm still alive. Sheesh. Sometimes you've got to just live a little, ya know? Take a chance.

180 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:53:32pm

Mmm, Cilantro Sausage Bean soup good.

181 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:53:38pm

re: #179 reine.de.tout

I use it regularly, and I'm still alive. Sheesh. Sometimes you've got to just live a little, ya know? Take a chance.

Yeah, I'm kinda weird about food.

182 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:53:39pm

re: #176 ggt

I went in July.

DON'T GO IN JULY.

Or June, or August or September.

183 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:54:46pm

re: #176 ggt

I went in July.

DON'T GO IN JULY.

New Orleans? Only time I was there was in July too. Conference. About melted and didn't have the money to get into too much trouble.

Loved the aquarium though.

184 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:54:50pm

NOLA...
where else can you drink in a 300yr old saloon?
see you at Lafitte's

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:55:17pm

How do lightbulb jokes work with Rule 34?

186 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:55:41pm

re: #184 albusteve

NOLA...
where else can you drink in a 300yr old saloon?
see you at Lafitte's

San Francisco?

187 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:55:51pm

re: #177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Clover Grill has the best short order cooks.

[Link: www.clovergrill.com...]

It's actually quite likely that anywhere you stop to eat, it will be good.

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:56:40pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

It's actually quite likely that anywhere you stop to eat, it will be good.

Except if you are me.

I don't do meat or fish or fowl.

I do , however, like Cafe au Lait.

189 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:56:41pm

The evening sunset is shockingly beautiful right now from my apartment.

190 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:57:19pm

re: #186 ggt

San Francisco?

NOLA refers to New Orleans

191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:57:25pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

It's actually quite likely that anywhere you stop to eat, it will be good.

This is true - never had a disappointing meal in NOLA. Last time I was there was for a AfAm Studies/Music conference. I was staying across the street from Clover Grill, so ate there a lot.

192 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:57:40pm

re: #188 ggt

Except if you are me.

I don't do meat or fish or fowl.

I do , however, like Cafe au Lait.

Same here.

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:57:42pm

re: #190 albusteve

NOLA refers to New Orleans

Yes, I know.

You asked a question, I answered it.

194 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:58:05pm

re: #192 Alexzander

Same here.

I lost weight in NOLA. Mostly stayed drunk.

195 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:58:05pm

re: #185 ggt

How do lightbulb jokes work with Rule 34?

Like this.

196 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:58:25pm

re: #192 Alexzander

Although I do also like and use almond milk and 'earth butter' (I know, I know) pretty regularly. Both help keep the beer belly somewhat reasonable.

197 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:58:45pm

re: #188 ggt

Except if you are me.

I don't do meat or fish or fowl.

I do , however, like Cafe au Lait.

Plenty of vegetarian and vegan places in NOLA.

198 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:58:47pm

re: #190 albusteve

NOLA refers to New Orleans

I get it now, my bad....
anyway, no...not SF

199 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:59:03pm

re: #196 Alexzander

Although I do also like and use almond milk and 'earth butter' (I know, I know) pretty regularly. Both help keep the beer belly somewhat reasonable.

I don't drink anymore. Weight isn't an issue.

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:59:40pm

re: #198 albusteve

I get it now, my bad...
anyway, no...not SF

Well, there are probably lots of places in Europe, but I thought you were probably referring to the contiguous US.

201 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:59:53pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

January could be OK, or not. High's low-mid 60's, lows in low to mid 40's, a few colder days on occasion. It's our coolest month.

February would be better, temps every so slightly warmer esp. toward the end of Feb, but then you're looking at being there during carnival season. Whether you want that or not, is up to you. Inflated prices, lots of crowds, etc.

And expect a little bit of rain.

I'd like to go when it's cold here. That opens up Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar.

When would the best time be? If we go during Carnival, is there some place within driving distance that would be less expensive?

202 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:00:32pm

re: #173 ggt

Winston has way too much time on his paws if he is watching TV with you.

///

Don't talk to him. He's mean to Winston.

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:00:46pm

re: #201 b_sharp

I'd like to go when it's cold here. That opens up Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar.

When would the best time be? If we go during Carnival, is there some place within driving distance that would be less expensive?

Mardi Gras, not Carnival.

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:01:07pm

re: #202 b_sharp

Don't talk to him. He's mean to Winston.

When has he been mean to Winston?

205 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:01:30pm

re: #176 ggt

I went in July.

DON'T GO IN JULY.

No worries. It's warm enough here during July.

206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:01:44pm

re: #203 ggt

Mardi Gras, not Carnival.

Carnival is SF. Drummed in it, a couple years. Fun, but heccccccca people.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:02:13pm

re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Carnival is SF. Drummed in it, a couple years. Fun, but heccca people.

I thought it was Brazil or someplace.

208 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:02:32pm

re: #200 ggt

Well, there are probably lots of places in Europe, but I thought you were probably referring to the contiguous US.

I don't think there is a joint anywhere in the US that's older than Lafitte's...just a real neat old place to drink

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:03:10pm

re: #205 b_sharp

No worries. It's warm enough here during July.

It's so hot in New Orleans in July. I can't imagine living there without air conditioning.

I truly don't know how people did it.

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:03:23pm

re: #208 albusteve

I don't think there is a joint anywhere in the US that's older than Lafitte's...just a real neat old place to drink

And it looks every minute of those centuries... ;)

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:03:36pm

re: #208 albusteve

I don't think there is a joint anywhere in the US that's older than Lafitte's...just a real neat old place to drink

I might have been there, I don't remember much except the heat and the Cafe au Lait.

212 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:03:54pm

On the topic of heat, I go to Florida next week. Is it going to be unpleasant?

213 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:04:29pm

re: #210 wlewisiii

And it looks every minute of those centuries... ;)

yeah, an honest relic...just walk in and there it is...whoa

214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:04:45pm

re: #207 ggt

I thought it was Brazil or someplace.

That's also correct - original Carnival is in Rio.

215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:04:57pm

re: #212 Renaissance_Man

On the topic of heat, I go to Florida next week. Is it going to be unpleasant?

Yes.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:05:13pm

re: #208 albusteve

I don't think there is a joint anywhere in the US that's older than Lafitte's...just a real neat old place to drink

I googled "oldest joint in the United States" and got this.

217 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:05:46pm

Anyone here a fan of country singer Townes Van Zandt?

Youtube Video
218 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:05:47pm

re: #212 Renaissance_Man

On the topic of heat, I go to Florida next week. Is it going to be unpleasant?

the parakeets love it, I hear

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:06:39pm

re: #217 Alexzander

Anyone here a fan of country singer Townes Van Zandt?

[Video]

Of The Van Zandts?

220 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:06:44pm

re: #204 ggt

When has he been mean to Winston?

Here, the big meanie. He should have been born blue.

221 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:07:01pm

re: #201 b_sharp

I'd like to go when it's cold here. That opens up Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar.

When would the best time be? If we go during Carnival, is there some place within driving distance that would be less expensive?

October is our driest month, and one where temps will be very comfortable; maybe some slightly chilly evenings, but otherwise very comfortable.

If you go during Carnival, of course you can stay in any one of the surrounding areas, including Baton Rouge which is an hour away (and there are places that are closer), but I wouldn't recommend it because I wouldn't recommend trying to drive into and in and around New Orleans during carnival if you're not familiar with the town. I don't like to do it and I AM slightly familiar with it. In fact, I don't much like driving in NOLA at all, ever. Narrow streets, confusing signage, no warning when a street is gonna be closed off 5 blocks down, etc. It's a mess. You can spend 30 minutes going in a circle and never figure out how to get a block over to where you need to be. I hate it. If you want to enjoy your trip, DON'T DRIVE. Stay somewhere downtown or in the quarter, and have them park your car and walk or take the bus or streetcar to where you want to go.

222 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:07:31pm

re: #216 ggt

I googled "oldest joint in the United States" and got this.

that is so cool...booked it...
I have a new mission
thanks

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:08:37pm

re: #222 albusteve

that is so cool...booked it...
I have a new mission
thanks

Glad to have been of service.

224 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:08:50pm

re: #219 ggt

Of The Van Zandts?

Not sure. According to WIkipedia, he is the grandson of a Fort Worth, Texas oil family.

225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:08:55pm

re: #221 reine.de.tout

Narrow streets, confusing signage, no warning when a street is gonna be closed off 5 blocks down, etc. It's a mess.

And if you do rent a car, don't bother with the GPS for the reasons above.

226 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:09:05pm

re: #209 ggt

It's so hot in New Orleans in July. I can't imagine living there without air conditioning.

I truly don't know how people did it.

I don't either.
Tall ceilings so the heat would rise above person-level, windows across from each other so that whatever breeze there was would flow on through the house, ceiling fans - it was still hot.

227 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:10:04pm

re: #221 reine.de.tout

October is our driest month, and one where temps will be very comfortable; maybe some slightly chilly evenings, but otherwise very comfortable.

If you go during Carnival, of course you can stay in any one of the surrounding areas, including Baton Rouge which is an hour away (and there are places that are closer), but I wouldn't recommend it because I wouldn't recommend trying to drive into and in and around New Orleans during carnival if you're not familiar with the town. I don't like to do it and I AM slightly familiar with it. In fact, I don't much like driving in NOLA at all, ever. Narrow streets, confusing signage, no warning when a street is gonna be closed off 5 blocks down, etc. It's a mess. You can spend 30 minutes going in a circle and never figure out how to get a block over to where you need to be. I hate it. If you want to enjoy your trip, DON'T DRIVE. Stay somewhere downtown or in the quarter, and have them park your car and walk or take the bus or streetcar to where you want to go.

Thanks for the info reine. The wife and I will discuss when we'll go, and if it's OK with you, I'll email you some questions.

228 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:10:30pm

re: #226 reine.de.tout

I don't either.
Tall ceilings so the heat would rise above person-level, windows across from each other so that whatever breeze there was would flow on through the house, ceiling fans - it was still hot.

Transom window things too!

Awnings help tremendously. Stone or brick buildings sometimes help.

I don't think I would have lived very long if I had to live there before electricity.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:11:38pm

re: #204 ggt

When has he been mean to Winston?

I got it backwards, I thought Winston was doing that to him.

230 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:11:50pm

re: #227 b_sharp

Thanks for the info reine. The wife and I will discuss when we'll go, and if it's OK with you, I'll email you some questions.

SURE! Anytime!

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:16:47pm

This was the conference I went to. Xavier had been under 3 ft of water during Katrina. [Link: www.xula.edu...]

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:16:54pm

How Super Is The Deficit-Cutting Committee?

Is this real or a feel-good measure to make it look like they are doing something except running for office?

233 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:16:57pm

re: #230 reine.de.tout

SURE! Anytime!

:)

234 albusteve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:18:21pm

I'll bet not one in a hundred people here can spell beignet

235 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:18:37pm

re: #229 ggt

I got it backwards, I thought Winston was doing that to him.

D'oh!

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:19:23pm

re: #234 albusteve

I'll bet not one in a hundred people here can spell beignet

I can look it up!

237 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:20:10pm

re: #236 ggt

d-u-m-o-n-d-e

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:20:33pm

re: #234 albusteve

I'll bet not one in a hundred people here can spell beignet

I spell it CafeduMonde

239 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:21:24pm

re: #208 albusteve

I don't think there is a joint anywhere in the US that's older than Lafitte's...just a real neat old place to drink

Rhode Island, "The White Horse Tavern", 1673[Link: www.sloshspot.com...]

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:22:02pm

re: #239 prairiefire

Rhode Island, "The White Horse Tavern", 1673[Link: www.sloshspot.com...]

see my #216

241 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:23:46pm

Goodnight. I'm bagged.

242 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:23:51pm

re: #240 ggt

see my #216

More speedy Google Foo!

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:24:12pm

Who'da thunk it?

The French.

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:25:02pm

re: #242 prairiefire

More speedy Google Foo!

My Google Foo is strong.

245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:26:05pm

re: #229 ggt

I got it backwards, I thought Winston was doing that to him.

So, Hoops, why are you so mean to Winston.

Geez, he is patient enough to watch TV with you. . .

247 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:27:49pm

re: #243 ggt

Picked up The Cardinal of the Kremlin at Goodwill a couple days ago for 99 cents. Bus ride reading.

248 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:32:17pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes

Corporations are the most oppressed people in the USA, and if anything they deserve affirmative action!!!!
Did you know that many libruls refuse to recognise corporations as people? They want to make a constitutiional amendment denying corporations personhood. Talk about hate.

249 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:32:20pm

re: #245 ggt

So, Hoops, why are you so mean to Winston.

Geez, he is patient enough to watch TV with you. . .

Poor Winston.. I always play with him.. And I have to fool him..If I just say 1-2-3 he is hiding under the bed...I chase him around the house for fun..He is so fast and loves the challenge.. I know he is lonely cause I'm always at work and he is alone all day..

250 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:32:46pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes

And Barack Hussein Obama is out to make whites Real America as government-dependent as blacks are.

No need for wingnut or sarc tags...the guy who's daddy's name is on Michele Bachmann's law degree apparently believes this claptrap.

[Link: www.tulsaworld.com...]

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:34:20pm

re: #248 Alexzander

Corporations are the most oppressed people in the USA, and if anything they deserve affirmative action!!!
Did you know that many libruls refuse to recognise corporations as people? They want to make a constitutiional amendment denying corporations personhood. Talk about hate.

BP is Rosa Parks! Allen West is Harriet Tubman! Donald Trump has a dream!

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:36:25pm

re: #247 laZardo

Picked up The Cardinal of the Kremlin at Goodwill a couple days ago for 99 cents. Bus ride reading.

Never read much Clancy. I think I read one.

I figure they will be decent movies eventually.

253 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:36:47pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Now if only we could do away with that pesky minimum wage and let the companies put even more people to work.

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:38:05pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

Poor Winston.. I always play with him.. And I have to fool him..If I just say 1-2-3 he is hiding under the bed...I chase him around the house for fun..He is so fast and loves the challenge.. I know he is lonely cause I'm always at work and he is alone all day..

Get him a cat.

255 freetoken  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:38:32pm

An important news item that seems to have been overshadowed by the Libya news:

Large Zone Near Japanese Reactors to Be Off Limits

Broad areas around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant could soon be declared uninhabitable, perhaps for decades, after a government survey found radioactive contamination that far exceeded safe levels, several major media outlets said Monday.

The formal announcement, expected from the government in coming days, would be the first official recognition that the March accident could force the long-term depopulation of communities near the plant, an eventuality that scientists and some officials have been warning about for months. Lawmakers said over the weekend — and major newspapers reported Monday — that Prime Minister Naoto Kan was planning to visit Fukushima Prefecture, where the plant is, as early as Saturday to break the news directly to residents. The affected communities are all within 12 miles of the plant, an area that was evacuated immediately after the accident. [...]

The Fukushima disaster is the second worst nuclear accident to affect civilian populations.

More importantly, the reality of the Japanese nuclear industry's somewhat sketchy self-oversight is slowly coming to the surface.

I do think that nuclear energy is important, but too many people don't really understand the complexities that are involved, and why nuclear energy is not, and will not, be "cheap".

256 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:39:10pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if only we could do away with that pesky minimum wage and let the companies put even more people to work.

And those damn unions trying to bring up expensive standards. No wonder all the work is going to China.

/

257 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:39:41pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I thought it was Glenn Beck who had a dream?

Image: glennbeck_as_MLKJr.flv.jpg

258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:40:26pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if only we could do away with that pesky minimum wage and let the companies put even more people to work.

It's DISCRIMINATION to pay a young person $7.75/hr!

Paying them more than the $.50/hr they are worth is DISCRIMINATION!

DISCRIMINATION!!!! this is RACIST!!!

259 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:40:35pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Speaking of Trump having a dream: this scene from a meeting in Scotland sounds like he's performing in a remake of Local Hero.

Trump was in attendance at a local meeting and was unconcerned that the project would adversely affect the environment. He calls himself “an environmentalist in the true sense of the word”. Upon hearing this comment, the large crowd at the meeting laughed so much and so loud that order had to be called in the room. Trump added that locating the course on the sand dunes would actually preserve them. To further prove his environmentalist status, Trump challenged global warming because the world saw the coldest winter on record this year. As a result, he feels that Al Gore should give back his Nobel Prize.[Link: www.freshrumor.com...]
260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:42:31pm

re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's DISCRIMINATION to pay a young person $7.75/hr!

Paying them more than the $.50/hr they are worth is DISCRIMINATION!

DISCRIMINATION!!! this is RACIST!!!

Ageist --

No mandatory retirement either. People should work until they cannot move or cannot remember their own name. Only then will SS and retirement benefits be available.

A letter from two doctors and the persons own signature will be required.

261 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:42:55pm

re: #257 Gus 802

I thought it was Glenn Beck who had a dream?

Image: glennbeck_as_MLKJr.flv.jpg

All white conservative Beck-listeners have a dream! Why do you think we left the Democrat Party of Racism that our black inferiors stuck on the plantation are so DUMB they still vote for, since they have not been BLESSED with our critical thinking skills!!

262 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:43:28pm

I have to do something productive.

bbiab

263 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:44:02pm

re: #254 ggt

Get him a cat.

LOL
I have never had a pet in my life before Winston.. The cute little doggie.. The solution to his being lonely is not to get another pet..
Trust me..He is lucky to be here..*wink*
/I feel like Jack Nickelson in As good as it gets..Little doggie has my heart..

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:44:44pm

re: #30 b_sharp

I think Jewish history is different than pretty much everyone else. They're been subject to oppression, abuse and even genocide throughout modern history. As far as I know, only the Roma have suffered as much. So no, it isn't OK to say "Never trust a Jew".

If he said, never trust a German, never trust a Scot, or never trust a Canadian, I would assume his comment was no more serious than some of the comments made in 'The Princess Bride'. ("Never trust a Sicilian when death is on the line..." )

People here make quite a few movie references.

Never be rude to an Arab.

265 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:44:44pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes

I don't even need to read that link to be given a headache. Ow!

266 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:44:53pm

re: #259 jaunte

Maybe Melina his wife has webbed toes.

267 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:46:13pm

re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's DISCRIMINATION to pay a young person $7.75/hr!

Paying them more than the $.50/hr they are worth is DISCRIMINATION!

DISCRIMINATION!!! this is RACIST!!!

And don't forget the Fed inflating our dollar till it's worthless. Remember back when 50 cents could get a fancy dinner for a whole family and their servants?

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:46:49pm

re: #56 Alexzander

Correct. There were some hooligan style fights over the past couple days.

Maybe European soccer/football hooliganism is finally blossoming in North America?

Oakland Raiders Chief Executive Amy Trask came to the defense of the team's fans in the wake of violence at Saturday night's game against the San Francisco 49ers, calling the majority of Raider supporters "terrific people and terrific fans."

"I'm aware of the perception, and I don't believe the perception is the reality," she said. "Stereotypes are insidious. It's so simple to stereotype Raiders fans. It's an easy story. If you are hearing frustration coming through in my voice it's because there's frustration in my voice."

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:48:26pm

re: #77 albusteve

kidneys are more valuable than gold...you should have your own island

My one-time maid of honor has magic, regenerating kidneys.

Seriously. The damn things are improving function. And after she had a port done for dialysis and everything. Kidneys won't lie down and die.

270 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:49:40pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

The actions of one nation's fans cannot be generalized in the extreme actions of the Raiders. q;

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:49:57pm

re: #111 ggt

Either.

re: #109 b_sharp

They had cookies in Middle-Earth?

I thought they just had those cake/bread things that were supposed to sustain a man for 3 days, but the Hobbits for only 2 hours.

Then, in Terry Pratchett's books, there is dwarf bread. Which isn't so much for eating as for keeping you going.

272 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:50:01pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

Oakland Raiders Chief Executive Amy Trask came to the defense of the team's fans in the wake of violence at Saturday night's game against the San Francisco 49ers, calling the majority of Raider supporters "terrific people and terrific fans."

"I'm aware of the perception, and I don't believe the perception is the reality," she said. "Stereotypes are insidious. It's so simple to stereotype Raiders fans. It's an easy story. If you are hearing frustration coming through in my voice it's because there's frustration in my voice."

Ugh. No comment. Other than when I see the entrance 101 South to Los Angeles it kind of reminds me of North Jersey. Even up here South Bay/Valley. Back in Denver we couldn't stand Raiders fans. You know. Raiser haters. They're fucking assholes. Screw the Raiders and their fans. Go 49ers and go Broncos. Raiders suck.

273 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:50:36pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Ugh. No comment. Other than when I see the entrance 101 South to Los Angeles it kind of reminds me of North Jersey. Even up here South Bay/Valley. Back in Denver we couldn't stand Raiders fans. You know. Raiser Raider haters. They're fucking assholes. Screw the Raiders and their fans. Go 49ers and go Broncos. Raiders suck.

274 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:50:52pm

Eagle owl flying towards a camera at at 1000 frames per Second

275 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:51:30pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

Oakland Raiders Chief Executive Amy Trask came to the defense of the team's fans in the wake of violence at Saturday night's game against the San Francisco 49ers, calling the majority of Raider supporters "terrific people and terrific fans."

"I'm aware of the perception, and I don't believe the perception is the reality," she said. "Stereotypes are insidious. It's so simple to stereotype Raiders fans. It's an easy story. If you are hearing frustration coming through in my voice it's because there's frustration in my voice."

Hi You!
I posted a few days ago that I've been to some 49er vs. Raiders games in the past...Back in the day the worst fights were always at Candlestick..Jeez..I've seen some fights..Same for Baseball..
Now Oakland has a bad rep..But rarely did you ever see a fight in the black hole..It was always about having a good time..
I've seen some serious fights at candlestick and Hunters point afterwards..

276 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:52:12pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Ugh. No comment. Other than when I see the entrance 101 South to Los Angeles it kind of reminds me of North Jersey. Even up here South Bay/Valley. Back in Denver we couldn't stand Raiders fans. You know. Raiser haters. They're fucking assholes. Screw the Raiders and their fans. Go 49ers and go Broncos. Raiders suck.

I still support the Niners.

...

;_;

277 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:52:20pm

And don't forget what those Dodger fans did to Bryan Stow.

278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:53:02pm

re: #267 laZardo

And don't forget the Fed inflating our dollar till it's worthless. Remember back when 50 cents could get a fancy dinner for a whole family and their servants?

Discrimination!!!

Raaaaacisssssstttttt!!!

279 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:53:56pm

re: #274 jaunte

Eagle owl flying towards a camera at at 1000 frames per Second

That is the last thing that goes through a mouse's mind at midnight. A talon, that is...

(no slash. Awesome photography though).

280 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:54:17pm

And seriously. That highway that runs through San Jose. Clean that up. Far too much liter.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:54:26pm

re: #270 laZardo

The actions of one nation's fans cannot be generalized in the extreme actions of the Raiders. q;

Raiders fans are insane.

282 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:58:49pm

49ers want Raiders preseason series postponed

Two men were shot outside Candlestick Park, one several times in the stomach, and a fan was beaten severely in the bathroom on Saturday.

283 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:59:38pm

Oops. I forgot that they went back to Oakland. Whatever. I'm heading back to Denver which can be crazy sometimes but nothing like around here.

284 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:59:47pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops


Winston: I'm Flying!

Have you seen this?
[Link: www.dogwork.com...]

285 Mocking Jay  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:02:44pm

re: #284 jaunte

Have you seen this?
[Link: www.dogwork.com...]

Okay, no more coffee for him.

286 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:08:45pm

re: #274 jaunte

Eagle owl flying towards a camera at at 1000 frames per Second

Do you think that bird knows how cool he is?

Or does it just do cool things all the time in complete ignorance?

287 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:08:55pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

Raiders fans are insane.

Years ago when I was TDY at Alameda.. Our young family was staying at an Apt on Bay Farm Island and I went went to the Safeway one night and I'm walking in and there on the payphone was Ted Hendricks the Stork!
I almost walk in and no.. I turn around there on a beautiful night and stood outside the pay phone like I was waiting my turn.. Man Ted was looking around...Yup..It's me..Are you going to be long? You know me..I'm not shy..So he stands there talking while I waiting by the phone booth waiting my turn.. I could tell it was driving him crazy..Finally he hangs up and walks in the store expecting me to get on the phone next.. I followed him in the store..After walking around behind him he stops and asked what I wanted! I said your autograph...So I have his autograph and he had my promise to stop following him around..
Raider fans are crazy? Why do you say that?
/

288 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:09:44pm

re: #286 The Yankee

I think he's just being, which makes him cool.

289 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:14:01pm

re: #286 The Yankee

Do you think that bird knows how cool he is?

Or does it just do cool things all the time in complete ignorance?

He probably thinks we're just dorks.

290 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:22:16pm

Interesting thoughts on the political psychology of science from Chris Mooney at Desmogblog:

"...we now realize that the war isn’t really on science at all, but on reality."

...we are beginning to be able to understand the Republican denial of science as part of a motivated process in which certain scientific claims are seen as so threatening to self-identity and group affiliations that they must be rejected in order to preserve a sense of self.

... Based on what we know about motivated reasoning, though, we know that if science is seen as an attack on people's identities, it will be rejected. So any solution is going to have to make facts themselves seem a whole lot less threatening.

The Republican War on Science Returns

291 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:28:49pm

I watch a radio show every Monday called Radio Dead Air.

The guy lives in South Carolina.

I might have a sad next week.

292 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:29:07pm

Good night all.

293 Mocking Jay  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:32:03pm

re: #291 ProLifeLiberal

I watch a radio show every Monday called Radio Dead Air.

The guy lives in South Carolina.

I might have a sad next week.

How does one watch a radio show?

:P

294 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:32:17pm

re: #286 The Yankee

Do you think that bird knows how cool he is?

Or does it just do cool things all the time in complete ignorance?

Whats not seen, is 3 seconds after the video ends, he poops on your cars windshield!

295 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:32:39pm

re: #293 JasonA

How does one watch a radio show?

:P

with your eyes closed

296 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:39:50pm

re: #293 JasonA

It's an internet radio show.

He has including visual too. I like it alot.

Although some models are now showing Irene heading into the BOSWASH Corridor. If that happens

a)Obama back to DC stat
b)Presidency gets real busy

297 Big Joe  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:53:32pm

re: #185 ggt

How do lightbulb jokes work with Rule 34?

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298 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:05:30pm

Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes

This clown has a lot of nerve.
What a douche.

299 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:05:42pm

"Won't someone rid me of this troublesome dictator."

I don't know if that's his son or some guy with a shaved head playing the role. All I know is that J-Lo and Mariah Carey are going to lose some lucrative New Year's Eve gigs if those boys don't survive.

God help the bass players! They need the cash!

300 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:08:02pm

re: #297 mracb

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NO EXCEPTIONS!

[Link: liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com...]

301 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:11:14pm

Romney Attacks Obama For Releasing Jobs Plan Too Late, Then Announces He’ll Unveil His Plan Same Day

Lol.
Romney you so funny.

302 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:14:21pm

So...anything vaguely good happen today?

303 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:15:52pm

re: #302 laZardo

So...anything vaguely good happen today?

I made soup.

304 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:22:35pm

re: #299 austin_blue

"Won't someone rid me of this troublesome dictator."

I don't know if that's his son or some guy with a shaved head playing the role. All I know is that J-Lo and Mariah Carey are going to lose some lucrative New Year's Eve gigs if those boys don't survive.

God help the bass players! They need the cash!

I wonder if luring the western rebels into Tripoli might have been the plan. Let the enemy come to you, beat on some weak forces and think they've won, and only after you've draw them into ground of your choosing to do you unleash your best forces on them.

305 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:26:46pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if luring the western rebels into Tripoli might have been the plan. Let the enemy come to you, beat on some weak forces and think they've won, and only after you've draw them into ground of your choosing to do you unleash your best forces on them.

...only now?

306 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:30:56pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes

This clown has a lot of nerve.
What a douche.

Playing to his base, who are a pack of fools. Tell them them that getting fucked up the ass is a good thing, long enough and loud enough, will result in them accepting anal rape as better they can ever hope from the Dems.

It's the southern strategy writ large, and the idjits in the tricorn hats are lubing their own assholes and yelling "Yes! Save us!"

Bought and paid for by the Koch brothers. Corporations are people.

307 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:31:26pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes

This clown has a lot of nerve.
What a douche.

Rick Perry is a dumb, stupid bigot.

308 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:32:09pm

re: #305 laZardo

...only now?

Giving ground like Gaddafi's forces did is a risky tactic, especially in a civil war. It can turn into a rout very easily. If this was a counterattack strategy, it was most likely a last-ditch tactic, attempted because it was the best idea left.

309 BishopX  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:36:30pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Posting and running...but Tripoli is one of the few places where NATO air power is unable to alter tactical realities. NATO can bomb C3 nodes, barracks, arms depots and the like but it's much harder to hit infantry or even tanks dispersed in an urban environment. NATO still has a lot of trouble seeing a tank through a foot of concrete and a hot roof.

310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:37:09pm

re: #306 austin_blue

Bought and paid for by the Koch brothers. Corporations are people.

Corporations are people and so are fetuses; the already born, well they are of original sin anyway, so SCREW THEM.

311 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:41:03pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if luring the western rebels into Tripoli might have been the plan. Let the enemy come to you, beat on some weak forces and think they've won, and only after you've draw them into ground of your choosing to do you unleash your best forces on them.

Desperation tactic?
That could so backfire on him.

312 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:41:13pm

re: #307 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Rick Perry is a dumb, stupid bigot.

Don't kid yourself. He is a really good politician with a really strong team. Trying to marginalize him by going blah blah blah makes him stronger.

The only way to attack Perry is to expose his radicalism in his own words. And those words are out there. His team is already walking back some of his statements in his book "Fed Up!", viewed in Austin as being a veiled "F'ed Up".

There's a lot of ammo in there to paint him as a TP radical. That's where we need to dig.

313 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:42:58pm

re: #310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Corporations are people and so are fetuses; the already born, well they are of original sin anyway, so SCREW THEM.

Not helpful in fighting the problem.

It's tactics that get us to win.

314 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:44:27pm

PERRY: Listen, America’s gone a long way from the standpoint of civil rights and thank God we have. I mean we’ve gone from a country that made great strides in issues of civil rights. I think we all can be proud of that. And as we go forward, America needs to be about freedom. It needs to be about freedom from overtaxation, freedom from over-litigation, freedom from over-regulation.

is it possible that teabaggers will fall even for this crap?

315 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:44:50pm

re: #312 austin_blue

Don't kid yourself. He is a really good politician with a really strong team. Trying to marginalize him by going blah blah blah makes him stronger.

You should read the rest of my posts on him, because they don't do that in the least.

I also don't confuse shrewdness and ruthless cutthroat conservative behavior with intelligence. It is, however, quite effective; we're agreed on that. I expect him to go very far with this pious Christian, MLK 2.0 act, especially among the types desperate to prove that the mere mention of civil rights no longer prompts them to go grab the hemp rope.

316 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:47:10pm

re: #314 engineer dog

PERRY: Listen, America’s gone a long way from the standpoint of civil rights and thank God we have. I mean we’ve gone from a country that made great strides in issues of civil rights. I think we all can be proud of that. And as we go forward, America needs to be about freedom. It needs to be about freedom from overtaxation, freedom from over-litigation, freedom from over-regulation.

is it possible that teabaggers will fall even for this crap?

Yes. They really are that ignorant, and that venal.

I can't wait until his feet get tired and he starts yapping about the content of the corporate character. The dupes who will vote for him have been primed for it 25/8 for the past 3 years.

317 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:47:47pm

america needs to be about freedom from idiotocracy and hypercrapulationism

318 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:48:58pm

re: #314 engineer dog

PERRY: Listen, America’s gone a long way from the standpoint of civil rights and thank God we have. I mean we’ve gone from a country that made great strides in issues of civil rights. I think we all can be proud of that. And as we go forward, America needs to be about freedom. It needs to be about freedom from overtaxation, freedom from over-litigation, freedom from over-regulation.

is it possible that teabaggers will fall even for this crap?

They cheered for the credit rating reduction, they'll eat this shit up.

319 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:49:08pm

re: #312 austin_blue

There's a lot of ammo in there to paint him as a TP radical. That's where we need to dig.

Maybe, though, as you note, he does that on his own. The radicalism is the appeal, and will be throughout the campaign.

320 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:49:45pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if luring the western rebels into Tripoli might have been the plan. Let the enemy come to you, beat on some weak forces and think they've won, and only after you've draw them into ground of your choosing to do you unleash your best forces on them.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Gaddafi's best forces are a memory, defected or long dead. He's lost his refineries, resupply routes, his bases, naval & air forces, and losing Tripoli means he can no longer reliably control any Tripoli based forces he might have left through threats to their families. His aura of power is obliterated with the breaching of his capitol stronghold. I assure you that the rebels entering Tripoli was not the fulfillment of some grand gambit on his part, it's the last thing he wanted. He's utterly boned.re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Giving ground like Gaddafi's forces did is a risky tactic, especially in a civil war. It can turn into a rout very easily. If this was a counterattack strategy, it was most likely a last-ditch tactic, attempted because it was the best idea left.

This isn't Russia in 1941, there's no earth left to scorch, nowhere to retreat to, no resources or manpower left and no winter to destroy their enemies. This isn't a tactic, it's defeat. Some straggling remnant force of dead enders may attempt counterattack, but that doesn't make this a plan, it's chaotic flailing at this point.

321 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:50:26pm

re: #311 Varek Raith

Desperation tactic?
That could so backfire on him.

Yes, it could. But given the ability of the rebels to call in precision air support, a city fight may have been seen as his best shot. His forces were impossible to see from the air, and once the battle was joined they were too close to the rebels for air power to be used.

322 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:51:54pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

I think cons are just disappointed another war is coming to an end.

323 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:53:19pm

re: #322 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think cons are just disappointed another war is coming to an end.

They still have 2 left.

324 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:53:59pm

re: #323 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They still have 2 left.

Three.
*Launching TIE Defenders*

325 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:54:06pm

re: #322 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think cons are just disappointed another war is coming to an end.

I'm not a con, but I would at least be thankful that the primary conflict should end soon.

326 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:55:05pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

This makes no sense whatsoever. Gaddafi's best forces are a memory, defected or long dead. He's lost his refineries, resupply routes, his bases, naval & air forces, and losing Tripoli means he can no longer reliably control any Tripoli based forces he might have left through threats to their families. His aura of power is obliterated with the breaching of his capitol stronghold. I assure you that the rebels entering Tripoli was not the fulfillment of some grand gambit on his part, it's the last thing he wanted. He's utterly boned.re: #308 Dark_Falcon

This isn't Russia in 1941, there's no earth left to scorch, nowhere to retreat to, no resources or manpower left and no winter to destroy their enemies. This isn't a tactic, it's defeat. Some straggling remnant force of dead enders may attempt counterattack, but that doesn't make this a plan, it's chaotic flailing at this point.

Maybe, but we just saw forces we didn't know were still organized appear and swing hard against the rebels. I was trying to explain how that might have happened. From what I've seen, this counterattack wasn't the sort of spontaneous action you'd expect to see from a remnant, it looked more organized than that. But you've been in contact with the news more than I have today, so you may have better information.

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:55:45pm

re: #274 jaunte

Eagle owl flying towards a camera at at 1000 frames per Second

Very cool!

328 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:56:26pm

re: #324 Varek Raith

Three.
*Launching TIE Defenders*

Preparing plasma batteries.

329 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:56:43pm

re: #324 Varek Raith

Three.
*Launching TIE Defenders*

Shall I have the Scimitar Assault Bombers follow them in for a thermal detonator bombing run?

330 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:57:32pm

re: #323 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They still have 2 left.

Yeah, and confused as h. what they want out of those anymore, too. They're all over the place, parroting the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition ot1h. But then, DAMMIT they've got our oil so we have a right to turn them into green glass. /headless chickens

331 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:58:43pm

re: #325 laZardo

I'm not a con, but I would at least be thankful that the primary conflict should end soon.

One would think, especially given who's winning. But, the more dead people the better so, dunno..they need to figure it out because they're looking pretty dizzy today.

332 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:58:56pm

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Preparing plasma batteries.

Oh my, is the a TIE Phantom behind you?
Oh, maybe not.
MUHAHAHAHA!

333 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:59:24pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Shall I have the Scimitar Assault Bombers follow them in for a thermal detonator bombing run?

The 2nd Brimlock 'Sky Wardens' will enjoy the target practice.

334 laZardo  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:01:29pm

re: #331 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

One would think, especially given who's winning. But, the more dead people the better so, dunno..they need to figure it out because they're looking pretty dizzy today.

Like I've said, I'm not the kind that gets my hopes up about something good happening until it actually happens.

335 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:01:53pm

re: #332 Varek Raith

Oh my, is the a TIE Phantom behind you?
Oh, maybe not.
MUHAHAHAHA!

Thats why Imperium fighter defense is based on a battery based firing solution to deny an area and doesn't focus on single fighters.

336 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:02:15pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Shall I have the Scimitar Assault Bombers follow them in for a thermal detonator bombing run?

SCIMITAR BOMBERS??!!!111 OMG!!1 TIMOTHY ZAHN AND GEORGE LUCAS SNEAKED IN A REFERENCE TO ISLAM!!!111 THE WHOLE STAR WARS SERIES IS ABOUT CREEPING SHARIA!!!111

/Pam Geller

337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:04:01pm

re: #334 laZardo

Like I've said, I'm not the kind that gets my hopes up about something good happening until it actually happens.

Heavy-set ladies singing; I know what you mean.

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:04:33pm

So, old dog comes up to the computer, interrupts very important work (catching-up on this LGF thread). In his own way, tells me that he HAS TO GO OUTSIDE. right now DAMMIT! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR. I'm crossing my legs here . .

I . NEED . YOU . TO . GET . YOUR . ASS . IN . GEAR . AND . GET . THE . LEASH . ATTACHED . RIGHT . NOW!

Then proceeds to take 5 minutes to find that oh so special spot in the yard that needs his attention.

Makes it very difficult to take him seriously in the future.

339 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:04:38pm

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

/Pam Geller

ISLAM IS IN MY BREAKFAST!

"Um, you're eating lucky charms, those are moon shaped marshmallows."

THEY'RE INFILTRATING US FROM THE INSIDE NOW!

340 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:06:27pm

re: #333 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The 2nd Brimlock 'Sky Wardens' will enjoy the target practice.

Scimitars aren't like those old TIE Bombers. They're faster, carry twin front mounted laser cannons for strafing and self defense, and have shields. They can also carry concussion missiles for ranged attacks on ground positions. Your "Sky Wardens" will have a bad day

341 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:06:58pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but we just saw forces we didn't know were still organized appear and swing hard against the rebels. I was trying to explain how that might have happened. From what I've seen, this counterattack wasn't the sort of spontaneous action you'd expect to see from a remnant, it looked more organized than that. But you've been in contact with the news more than I have today, so you may have better information.

The rebels do have a bad habit of celebrating early, that's been their #1 weakness this whole time. They take a victory lap after every small success. So they're bound to get sucker punched a few times more before it's all over, but the tide isn't just on their side, the opposition is drowning. I heard today that joyously shooting small arms skyward isn't enough anymore, now they've graduated to popping off AA, RPGs and actual missiles. Thank God Libya doesn't have a nuclear program anymore or I'd expect them to light one off in the end just to watch the glow.

342 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:07:45pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Scimitars aren't like those old TIE Bombers. They're faster, carry twin front mounted laser cannons for strafing and self defense, and have shields. They can also carry concussion missiles for ranged attacks on ground positions. Your "Sky Wardens" will have a bad day

They have a confirmed kill ratio of 99,999-1. Bring it.

343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:07:53pm

Obamunism!!

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Telecommunications companies in 16 states will share more than $103 million in federal funding to help expand broadband Internet access to those areas of rural America that haven't been reached by the high-speed service or are underserved, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced Monday.

Policymakers, public interest groups and telecom companies are seeking to bridge the digital divide by reaching even the most remote pockets of the U.S. with broadband internet, hoping to improve economic and educational opportunities there.

"There's a big gap that remains between rural and urban areas because it's just hard to make a business case in rural areas," said Jonathan Adelstein, the agriculture department's rural utilities service administrator, in a conference call with reporters. "Rural areas' future depends upon access to broadband and we're not where we need to be today."

This is worse than when the bubbamint forced us to get sidewalks and shoved paved roads down our throats!!

344 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:09:29pm

re: #342 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They have a confirmed kill ratio of 99,999-1. Bring it.

Fanatic propaganda nonsense.

345 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:10:10pm

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

The rebels do have a bad habit of celebrating early, that's been their #1 weakness this whole time. They take a victory lap after every small success. So they're bound to get sucker punched a few times more before it's all over, but the tide isn't just on their side, the opposition is drowning. I heard today that joyously shooting small arms skyward isn't enough anymore, now they've graduated to popping off AA, RPGs and actual missiles. Thank God Libya doesn't have a nuclear program anymore or I'd expect them to light one off in the end just to watch the glow.

Good points, Frank. I just hope they get those missiles under control. What we really don't want is any of those new SA-24 MANPADS SAMs to go missing. Those could be quite dangerous in the hands of Al Qaeda. Hopefully, the SAS (or even the CIA) can make sure those weapons get locked down.

346 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:10:42pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

Fanatic propaganda nonsense.

Fact, my friend, fact.

347 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:12:00pm

re: #342 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They have a confirmed kill ratio of 99,999-1. Bring it.

Baloney. They only get by with printing bogus stats like that because anyone who posts accurate stats is sent to the Inquisitors. Your boys ain't ready to roll with this!

348 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:13:04pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Baloney. They only get by with printing bogus stats like that because anyone who posts accurate stats is sent to the Inquisitors. Your boys ain't ready to roll with this!

so hard to know when you guys are talking about video games or real life.

and, yes, there is a difference.

349 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:14:08pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Baloney. They only get by with printing bogus stats like that because anyone who posts accurate stats is sent to the Inquisitors. Your boys ain't ready to roll with this!

Just because the Empire's troops can't hit the side of a barn while shooting from the inside is no reason to project your inadequacies onto a superior fighting force.

350 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:14:55pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fact, my friend, fact.

And even then, they won't fare well against the AT-At walkers you just saw on the horizon. The Walkers heavy armor makes them quite immune to a Hydra's weapons fire, and their laser cannon will have no problem melting a Hydra to goo.

351 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:15:07pm

re: #315 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You should read the rest of my posts on him, because they don't do that in the least.

I also don't confuse shrewdness and ruthless cutthroat conservative behavior with intelligence. It is, however, quite effective; we're agreed on that. I expect him to go very far with this pious Christian, MLK 2.0 act, especially among the types desperate to prove that the mere mention of civil rights no longer prompts them to go grab the hemp rope.

Jeez. The level of cynicism is understandable, but the raw anger rocks my head back a bit.

Let's agree on some basic facts. I'm a straight middle aged white liberal. You are a young gay black liberal. You know people like me, and I know people like you (I am the production manager of a two-week classical music festival that includes all races and sexual options.).

You probably don't understand my life experiences, and I am fully cognizant that I cannot even imagine yours. But I would like to feel that I can empathize with you, given that I have known gays, straights, bi's, nulls, blacks, whites, asians, males, females, all races and sexual flavors.

I would hope that knowing that there are many other Lizards here who have had different (and in some cases similar) life experiences and embrace the diversity that makes us all human would allow you to understand that the members of this board are not front-loaded to reject anything you post because of your perfectly legitimate flavor of humanity.

Don't make your anger what defines you.

My .02.

352 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:16:27pm

re: #349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just because the Empire's troops can't hit the side of a barn while shooting from the inside is no reason to project your inadequacies onto a superior fighting force.

That was the Empire under Darth Vader. Varek and I properly trained our troops. And even under Vader I would remind you that the starfighter pilots were able to score hits.

353 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:18:09pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

And even then, they won't fare well against the AT-At walkers you just saw on the horizon. The Walkers heavy armor makes them quite immune to a Hydra's weapons fire, and their laser cannon will have no problem melting a Hydra to goo.

The AT-AT are otherwise engaged apparently.

The Titan Legions will enjoy the show.

354 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:18:52pm

re: #348 ggt

so hard to know when you guys are talking about video games or real life.

and, yes, there is a difference.

LIES

355 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:19:14pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

That was the Empire under Darth Vader. Varek and I properly trained our troops. And even under Vader I would remind you that the starfighter pilots were able to score hits.

I think a nanite swarm could turn all the aforementioned forces into grey goo with only one press of a button.

356 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:21:41pm

re: #354 Varek Raith

LIES

The Truth will set you free.

357 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:22:54pm

re: #356 ggt

The Truth will set you free.

But!
The truth is depressing and the world sucks!

358 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:24:35pm

re: #357 Varek Raith

But!
The truth is depressing and the world sucks!

I know what you need...

359 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:25:42pm

re: #358 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know what you need...

403 Forbidden.

360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:25:59pm

re: #351 austin_blue

Alright so the post was perhaps beyond your personal comfort level, but there's no reason to make it some platform for a lecture. It wasn't against you, it was about Perry and his constituents.

I'll remind you, I did not bring up the civil rights quote, someone else did. I'm not going to stop talking about them like that, so put those old anger/cynicism calibrators away. They won't alter the content, style, or manner of my posts.

361 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:26:18pm

re: #359 Varek Raith

403 Forbidden.

What you need you can't have.

Yes, you are right the world does suck.

I blame the lawyers.

362 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:27:19pm

re: #359 Varek Raith

403 Forbidden.

Works fine on my end

363 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:27:43pm

re: #361 ggt

What you need you can't have.

Yes, you are right the world does suck.

I blame the lawyers.

Youtube Video
364 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:28:10pm

re: #362 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Works fine on my end

Heh.

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:29:50pm

Well, I input data into the ledger for the last 3 months. Figured out the bills for the next month and am really tired of numbers.

Why does being an adult have to contain so much math?

366 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:31:38pm

re: #365 ggt

Well, I input data into the ledger for the last 3 months. Figured out the bills for the next month and am really tired of numbers.

Why does being an adult have to contain so much math?

Have you considered blaming Obama?

367 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:32:04pm

re: #353 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The AT-AT are otherwise engaged apparently.

The Titan Legions will enjoy the show.

SMACK!

368 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:32:09pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have you considered blaming Obama?

I would except that math was around long before he was.

369 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:32:52pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have you considered blaming Obama?

I tried, but it doesn't make the bills go away. So I just work on how to pay them.

370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:33:04pm

re: #368 ggt

I would except that math was around long before he was.

What was "new math", anyway?

371 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:33:17pm

Kitties!

372 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:33:59pm

re: #370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What was "new math", anyway?

New math fried my brain. I am totally numbers-challenged because of it.

New Math was bad, very, very bad.

373 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:34:28pm

re: #370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What was "new math", anyway?

New Math was some grad-students wet dream.

374 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:34:39pm

re: #370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What was "new math", anyway?

Fuzzy math.

375 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:34:57pm

re: #372 ggt

New math fried my brain. I am totally numbers-challenged because of it.

New Math was bad, very, very bad.

Same here.

376 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:36:30pm

New Math

377 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:37:33pm

re: #374 Varek Raith

Fuzzy math.

As far as I know they still teach that crap.
:/

378 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:37:53pm

re: #370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What was "new math", anyway?

re: #374 Varek Raith

Fuzzy math.

More specifically, it was an attempt to try to "make math more relevant" and teach more than math in math class. It wasn't very effective, and has now mostly died out.

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:38:39pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

re: #374 Varek Raith

More specifically, it was an attempt to try to "make math more relevant" and teach more than math in math class. It wasn't very effective, and has now mostly died out.

except that I can't do math.

380 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:38:47pm

re: #360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Alright so the post was perhaps beyond your personal comfort level, but there's no reason to make it some platform for a lecture. It wasn't against you, it was about Perry and his constituents.

I'll remind you, I did not bring up the civil rights quote, someone else did. I'm not going to stop talking about them like that, so put those old anger/cynicism calibrators away. They won't alter the content, style, or manner of my posts.

That wasn't a hammer against you in any way! I'm just saying that this isn't a board, by and large, that is front-loaded to be hostile toward you in any way. I'm an old fart, and I've learned over the years that softly softly allows you to make a point that is more universally received. One's life experiences are important, but might be presented as accessory to the point of discussion.

Cheers!

381 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:39:03pm

Ah crap. It's probably going to brush us here in the DC area.
Damn you Rick Perry!
Image: map_tropprjpath09_ltst_5nhato_enus_600x405.jpg

382 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:39:07pm

re: #379 ggt

except that I can't do math.

I can, however, work a data-base program that can do the math for me.

383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:39:35pm

re: #376 ggt

New Math

Ah, that "What does Ivan Know that Johnny Doesn't" mentality.

I just remember my father, who was a math teacher, being, er, disgruntled about it.

I love this link from that article: en.wikipedia.org...]>List of abandoned education methods

384 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:39:36pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

Ah crap. It's probably going to brush us here in the DC area.
Damn you Rick Perry!
Image: map_tropprjpath09_ltst_5nhato_enus_600x405.jpg

sorry

385 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:39:55pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

re: #374 Varek Raith

More specifically, it was an attempt to try to "make math more relevant" and teach more than math in math class. It wasn't very effective, and has now mostly died out.

When did it die out?
I somewhat remember it from the 90s.

386 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:40:28pm

re: #384 ggt

sorry

We kind of need the rain though.

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:41:06pm

re: #385 Varek Raith

When did it die out?
I somewhat remember it from the 90s.

I had it in the early 70's.

Base 8?

Even I was saying WTF in 2nd grade over Base 8.

I have 10 fingers you idiots.

388 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:41:49pm

re: #385 Varek Raith

When did it die out?
I somewhat remember it from the 90s.

Oh, I get it.
That was new, new math.
:/

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:41:54pm

My Dear Ole' Dad, the mechanical engineer didn't understand New Math.

It was horrible.

390 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:42:09pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

Ah crap. It's probably going to brush us here in the DC area.
Damn you Rick Perry!
Image: map_tropprjpath09_ltst_5nhato_enus_600x405.jpg

His plan is working perfectly! The hurricane he prayed for will destroy Godless Washington, leaving Texas to emerge to lead the nation!!1

/Weird Nut Daily

391 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:42:49pm
This is not the new math that became popular in the 1960s. This is new new math -- memorization is no longer emphasized. Neither are the mechanics of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Instead, children are encouraged to use language and problem solving skills to find answers to problems. And the answers don't have to be exact. That's all made new math pretty controversial.

Yep, I remember this nonsense.

392 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:42:55pm

re: #370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What was "new math", anyway?

Youtube Video
393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:43:33pm

Actually, New and New, New Math are librul socialist conspiracies designed to make us all dependent on computers and Bill Gates.

If no one truly understands math, we can say whatever we want to about Science and the Federal Budget and no one will know we are stealing all the money.

(Now, someone make that purple)

/

394 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:44:17pm

re: #391 Varek Raith

Yep, I remember this nonsense.

Which is why it failed for me. In my mind math is supposed to be exact.

395 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:44:33pm

I was working hard today, and now I'm fading fast.

Goodnight, all.

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:44:47pm

re: #391 Varek Raith

Yep, I remember this nonsense.

Actually, IMHO, that nonsense is really a division of Philosophy called Logic. Which, I excelled at when I got to college.

It should not have been taught in a math class.

397 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:45:28pm

re: #396 ggt

Actually, IMHO, that nonsense is really a division of Philosophy called Logic. Which, I excelled at when I got to college.

It should not have been taught in a math class.

Yep.

398 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:46:13pm

re: #393 ggt

Actually, New and New, New Math are librul socialist conspiracies designed to make us all dependent on computers and Bill Gates.

If no one truly understands math, we can say whatever we want to about Science and the Federal Budget and no one will know we are stealing all the money.

(Now, someone make that purple)

/

Done and goodnight, GGT.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:46:26pm

re: #394 Varek Raith

Which is why it failed for me. In my mind math is supposed to be exact.

It is supposed to be exact.

That way building don't fall down, astronauts make it back from the Moon and budgets balance.

400 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:46:45pm

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

Done and goodnight, GGT.

Thank you

sleep well!

weet dreams

401 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:47:14pm

re: #399 ggt

It is supposed to be exact.

That way building don't fall down, astronauts make it back from the Moon and budgets balance.

You sure it's not the fairy dust?

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:47:47pm

re: #401 Varek Raith

You sure it's not the fairy dust?

MAGNETS!

403 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:47:56pm

re: #400 ggt

weet dreams

Hmmmmmm

404 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:48:11pm

re: #403 Alexzander

Hmmm

Inside joke.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:48:37pm

re: #403 Alexzander

Hmmm

LGFism

406 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:49:16pm

re: #405 ggt

LGFism

167!

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:50:03pm

re: #406 Varek Raith

167!

Wow, I don't remember that one.

408 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:51:24pm

weet dreams is a misspelling some posted a long time ago.

It was decided that it meant a combination of sweet and wet dreams.

Therefore, it is a particularly special nighty, night bidding.

409 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:51:30pm

re: #380 austin_blue

That wasn't a hammer against you in any way! I'm just saying that this isn't a board, by and large, that is front-loaded to be hostile toward you in any way. I'm an old fart, and I've learned over the years that softly softly allows you to make a point that is more universally received. One's life experiences are important, but might be presented as accessory to the point of discussion.

If I thought LGF was front-loaded to be hostile to me, personally, I would not post here. What I do find interesting is this perception of our differences that has you feeling qualified to regulate what you perceive as anger, or instruct me in how to post.

It's just expressing a point of view, which is different from making points. The reception or acceptance of that POV is totally secondary. I hope we're clear on this, now.

Cheers!

Back atcha, thanks!

410 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:51:50pm

BBL.
This laundry won't clean itself.
USELESS!
:)

re: #407 ggt

Wow, I don't remember that one.

I believe it was AnneFrance, who holds the record of most downdings for a post at -430 something, who claimed her IQ was 167.
Or maybe 168.
It was weird.

411 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:52:28pm

Rick Perry took a break from campaigning and went to the UK. As governor of an important trading partner, he managed to wrangle a meeting with the Queen.

He asked her, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government? Are there any tips you can give to me?"

"Well," said the Queen, "the most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people."

Perry frowned, and then asked, "But how do I know the people around me are really intelligent?"

The Queen took a sip of tea. "Oh, that's easy; you just ask them to answer an intelligent riddle."

The Queen pushed a button on her intercom. "Please send David Cameron in here, would you?"

Cameron walked into the room and said, "Yes, Your Majesty?"

The Queen smiled and said, "Answer me this please, David, your mother and father have a child. It is not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?"

Without pausing for a moment, Cameron answered, "That would be me."

"Yes! Very good," said the Queen.

Perry went back home to ask his boss, Rush Limbaugh, the same question. "Rush, answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. It's not your brother and it's not your sister. Who is it?"

"I'm not sure," said Limbaugh. "Let me get back to you on that one"

He went to his handlers and asked everyone, but none could give him an answer.

Finally, he ran into Joe Biden out eating one night. Limbaugh asked, "Mr. Vice-President, can you answer this for me? Your mother and father have a child and it's not your brother or your sister. Who is it?"

Biden answered right back, "That's easy, it's me!"

Limbaugh smiled, and said, "Thanks!" Then, he went back to speak with Perry.

"Say, I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle. It's Joe Biden!"

Perry got up, stomped over to Limbaugh , and angrily yelled into his face, "No! You idiot! It's David Cameron!"

412 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:52:40pm

re: #392 austin_blue

Tom is one of my piano heroes. Luvvved him on Electric Company.

413 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:52:42pm

re: #410 Varek Raith

BBL.
This laundry won't clean itself.
USELESS!
:)

I believe it was AnneFrance, who holds the record of most downdings for a post at -430 something, who claimed her IQ was 167.
Or maybe 168.
It was weird.

ah, yes, I remember it well. . . .

There was someone else (male poster) who made a big deal out of his Mensa Membership. Lots of laughs over that one, IIRC.

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:54:14pm

re: #412 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Tom is one of my piano heroes. Luvvved him on Electric Company.

Really, I hated that show.

Maybe it came on at the wrong era for my age at the time.

415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:55:12pm

Well, I have to sleep.

Have a great Evening all!

416 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:56:11pm

re: #415 ggt

Night.
I'm likely off soon too, although I haven't posted in the past hour or so.

417 Alexzander  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:00:10am

/thread killer

This place seemed quite alive until I reared my ugly head.

418 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:00:21am

re: #414 ggt

Really, I hated that show.

Maybe it came on at the wrong era for my age at the time.

Oh I love Electric Company. So weird, and somewhat surreal. Rita Moreno was probably my favorite.

419 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:01:17am

re: #417 Alexzander

/thread killer

This place seemed quite alive until I reared my ugly head.

Well, there was the discussion of military equipment. I think it was revealed that it was about gaming.

420 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:03:44am

re: #419 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, there was the discussion of military equipment. I think it was revealed that it was about gaming.

Warhammer 40k vs Star Wars basically.
And, good night everyone!

421 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:03:59am

re: #408 ggt

Opposite of "morning honcos"?

422 Alexzander  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:05:21am

night.........
I'm already looking forward to the coffee in the morning.
Sleep well OCIHACOSP.

423 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:43:56am

re: #418 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh I love Electric Company. So weird, and somewhat surreal. Rita Moreno was probably my favorite.

Mmmm..... Rita. Ahh, memories of my childhood.

And ni man hao, my dearest droogs!

424 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:45:27am

re: #417 Alexzander

/thread killer

This place seemed quite alive until I reared my ugly head.

Yes, I feel the same way whenever I step into a room full of my in-laws. It's as if someone just pulled the plug on the stereo.

425 freetoken  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:48:34am
MP3 Audio
426 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:50:34am

My friend sent me the text of a letter I wrote her twenty years ago (yes, she saved all my correspondence, saved it through 20 years and two marriages). It's shocking, frankly, to realize how little things have changed in that time. It took a lot of whiskey to keep me from falling to pieces when I read those words.

427 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:54:54am

From the letter, 'cause I'm just exactly drunk enough to share it:
(I was 19 when I wrote this, so bear with it.)

"I cannot begin to tell you how pleased I am that you came back last night. After giving you my letter and putting all of my cards on the table, I had prepared myself for your departure then and there. And yet you came back! You came back and my heart almost burst with joy when you did.
You have frequently told me that I am, to use your words, "too good" to you, but such is not the case. One who is "too good" to you would be one who gives to you good things of which you are not deserving, and I merely try to provide for you, in my modest little way, those things you deserve. How can you say that my treating you to dinner every now and then is treating you too well? (The only reason I try to spoil or indulge you is that you are very much in need of being spoiled and indulged. My own attempts are, truthfully, rather meager, but I fear that it is the best that I can do, at least for now, to provide you with the occasional evening out.)
I suppose that you have gathered by now that I care for you a great deal. For my own part, I have been dropping subtle little hints to this effect (like coming right out and telling you, holding you tightly in my arms -- little things like that) in hopes that you will understand how I feel for you.
Just in case you have not picked up on my clues, let me see if I cannot make myself even clearer still. [Friend], I love you. And when I say that I love you, I mean that I regard you as the finest human being to ever draw breath, that there is precious, precious little that I would not gladly do for you, and that you are so rare, so absolutely irreplaceable, that I am a fool if I do not think highly of you, and an absolute moron if I do not love you.
(I should take this opportunity now to apologize for the condition of my previous letter and the generally poor quality of all my letters. You must understand, I am the sort of person who can turn out forty-plus pages of material, in solid, formal style, on any number of subjects, but cannot put together two meaningful sentences describing my emotions. I find it easier to deal with abstract notions than my own feelings. But, of course, I am not telling you anything that you do not already know.)
What pleases me most has to be that you are comfortable in my company. I have always had this fear that I would create some sort of awkward situation which would cost me your priceless friendship and companionship, that I would somehow blunder my way right out of your life altogether. So far, I think that I have managed to avoid this, and shall always proceed with the greatest of caution, lest I inadvertently hurt you. I cannot promise, nor can I offer, much more than my love for you and a commitment to avoid causing you pain."

428 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:57:18am

Ahh... to be 19 again.

429 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 12:58:57am

re: #423 Guanxi88

Mmmm... Rita. Ahh, memories of my childhood.

And ni man hao, my dearest droogs!

Phyllis and the Pharoahs were hilarious

Youtube Video

She is such an amazing talent, even when she's just messing around.

Youtube Video
430 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:00:55am

re: #429 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There was a very rare combination of educational intent, absurdist humor, and manic intensity to the whole series. Very rare to see so much talent.

431 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:02:48am

re: #428 Guanxi88

Ahh... to be 19 again.

Yeah, for me...the further away I get from 19 the more thankful I am. :D

That's NOT a reflection on your beautiful letter. What a lucky friend!

432 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:05:12am

re: #431 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Don't get me wrong - 19's a hard age; there are things I know now that I would never have suspected then. To be able to go back in time, and counsel my younger self - how many things I might have done differently.

And my friend - well, the sad (and beautiful) thing is that nothing has changed over the years.

433 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:06:24am

re: #430 Guanxi88

There was a very rare combination of educational intent, absurdist humor, and manic intensity to the whole series. Very rare to see so much talent.

And the video/tv tech + good old vaudeville. It took me many years into adulthood to realize they were recreating a vaudeville/varieties kind of experience for kids. CTW, ftw!

434 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:08:19am

re: #433 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Indeed - as I said, an unexpected constellation of influences and technology at just the right time, with just the right people. I think of it as a kids' version of Monty Python, only with less drag and more educational content.

435 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:16:24am

re: #434 Guanxi88

Indeed - as I said, an unexpected constellation of influences and technology at just the right time, with just the right people. I think of it as a kids' version of Monty Python, only with less drag and more educational content.

Less drag but heccccccca camp, expertly delivered by Ms. Moreno especially! That could be what turns people off, not sure.

Hilarious...

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18:09am

re: #432 Guanxi88

Still love her?

437 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:20:26am

re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Still love her?

Yep. And vice versa.

That's what sad and beautiful about it.

438 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:21:49am

re: #435 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm straight as an arrow (hell, duplicate me, and lay me down equidistant from myself, and extend me in both directions into infinity, and nowhere would I even approach myself) and I love camp. It's good, fun stuff. "I am human - nothing is alien to me," as the poet said.

439 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:29:00am
440 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:37:45am

Morning Honcos. I hate it when I miss deleted post.

441 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:39:21am

re: #440 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos. I hate it when I miss deleted post.

I feel the same way - it's like watching a guy hit the pavement outside a dive bar: you want to know what happened, but don't dare ask.

442 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:39:56am

re: #441 Guanxi88

I feel the same way - it's like watching a guy hit the pavement outside a dive bar: you want to know what happened, but don't dare ask.

DAMN ,,, and I was sitting right here too!!

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:41:33am

I haven't been to my local dive in quite some time. Being broke does that. Bleh.

444 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:42:33am

re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar

I haven't been to my local dive in quite some time. Being broke does that. Bleh.

Here, have a rye and ginger. Hell, have two - my house is at least as good a dive as any other dump with a fancy "license"

445 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:43:35am

HEY z375336438

Without doing it again, could you please tell us the gist of (the post that was formerly) 439?

PS,,,, I'll bet it started with DEAR FRIENDS
as did each of your other 9 posts this morning

(it's going to dead threads and adding a DEAR FRIEND comment to each)

446 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:44:12am

re: #445 sattv4u2

HEY z375336438

Without doing it again, could you please tell us the gist of (the post that was formerly) 439?

PS,,, I'll bet it started with DEAR FRIENDS
as did each of your other 9 posts this morning

(it's going to dead threads and adding a DEAR FRIEND comment to each)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

447 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:46:02am

FREETOKEN (or whoever is monitoring this a.m.)

You may want to get the bucket and mop out and check the other droppings left this morning

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

448 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:48:19am

re: #447 sattv4u2

Apparently, the comments are down the memory hole.

449 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:48:50am

re: #448 Cannadian Club Akbar

Apparently, the comments are down the memory hole.

Yup,,, flushed like last nights Tex Mex food

450 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:49:57am

re: #449 sattv4u2

Yup,,, flushed like last nights Tex Mex food

I missed them. What'd they say?

451 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:50:06am

z375336438

(Logged in)
Registered since: Aug 23, 2011 at 1:16 am
No. of comments posted: 10
No. of Pages posted: 0

Registered today? 34 minutes ago?

452 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:50:42am

re: #450 iceweasel

Solicitation for knock-off (most likely) luxury dungaree trousers.

453 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:51:14am

re: #452 Guanxi88

Solicitation for knock-off (most likely) luxury dungaree trousers.

(Selling them, not seeking them, just to clarify)

454 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:51:53am

re: #453 Guanxi88

(Selling them, not seeking them, just to clarify)

I have no need for pants until November.

455 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:52:01am

re: #450 iceweasel

I missed them. What'd they say?

Seems to have been "selling" some sort of garment with multiple links each time the garment was mentioned

456 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:52:20am

re: #453 Guanxi88

Guanxy! How are you? Good to see you! I see you're still in love. ;)

457 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:52:28am

re: #450 iceweasel

And hey, there, frosty ferret! Howzit?

458 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:53:00am

Oh, get a room you two.:)

459 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:53:09am

re: #455 sattv4u2

Seems to have been "selling" some sort of garment with multiple links each time the garment was mentioned

Weird. I thought CJ had some kind of code to kill bots like that.

460 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:54:19am

re: #458 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, get a room you two.:)

This is our virtual living room. BTW, you should probably put your pants on. Maybe buy some from the bot.

461 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:54:22am

re: #456 iceweasel

Never ends, but Lord it's difficult. Yes, she's begun sharing my old letters with me - hers were discovered when I got engaged, and burnt by my future wife in a fit of jealousy-induced rage, so I have no record of those days. Really makes a man want to drink.

462 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:55:11am

re: #459 iceweasel

Weird. I thought CJ had some kind of code to kill bots like that.

Not sure if it was a BOT per se

BOT like, yes

But each of the 10 posts were a tad different than each other, but all with the same theme nonetheless

AND ,, it ain't dead yet !!!

463 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:57:13am

re: #458 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, get a room you two.:)

Ya know, the marmoset lady and I, we're kamaraden; nothing more. (And Jimmah's a Scotsman, and you just know how THOSE PEOPLE are.)

464 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:59:13am

re: #463 Guanxi88

Ya know, the marmoset lady and I, we're kamaraden; nothing more. (And Jimmah's a Scotsman, and you just know how THOSE PEOPLE are.)

Heh. They love the ultra-violence, those Scots.

Jimmah and I went to Glasgow a few days ago to watch some filming of World War Z. On the way back to Central Station we passed a guy in the street screaming at some one: "Come back here ya wee prick! I'll murder you!"
Good times.

465 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:59:36am

Incidentally, I cannot recommend Overholt Rye Whiskey with sufficient vigor to those reptiles who imbibe. A delightful potation, simply delightful; a good way to beat the bourbon blahs and the gin jadedness one encounters all too frequently.

466 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:00:51am

re: #464 iceweasel

Heh. They love the ultra-violence, those Scots.

Jimmah and I went to Glasgow a few days ago to watch some filming of World War Z. On the way back to Central Station we passed a guy in the street screaming at some one: "Come back here ya wee prick! I'll murder you!"
Good times.

There's a sound reason why the Romans, who conquered the known world, decided just to wall off the Pictae and call it a day. Hadrian's Wall and all.

467 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:03:01am

re: #466 Guanxi88

There's a sound reason why the Romans, who conquered the known world, decided just to wall off the Pictae and call it a day. Hadrian's Wall and all.

Too true!

Time to do some chores. Have a great day everyone! BBL

468 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:03:35am

re: #466 Guanxi88

There's a sound reason why the Romans, who conquered the known world, decided just to wall off the Pictae and call it a day. Hadrian's Wall and all.

I can hear it now:

"General, our surviving scouts report a cold, dank land. Little population, no major towns. Lotta moss, sheep, and guys painted blue, and not much else."

"Anything else?"

"Well, sir, the people up there, well, they're a bit amens, sir, if you follow. And prone to head-butting, sir"

469 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:08:19am

You can run, AND you CAN hide,,, but not forever!!

California fugitive arrested after 36 years:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

470 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:11:39am

re: #469 sattv4u2

I don't know what that dude did to piss off his mom, but I don't plan on making that mistake should I ever decide to kill someone.

471 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:13:15am

re: #470 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know what that dude did to piss off his mom, but I don't plan on making that mistake should I ever decide to kill someone.

Yes, make sure all your ducks are in a row, and that you're jake with everyone else you know, before you go on the lam.

472 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:13:49am

re: #470 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know what that dude did to piss off his mom, but I don't plan on making that mistake should I ever decide to kill someone.

I think it was more that "mom" wanted to see her son one last time before she took the eternal dirt nap

authorities learned that, on her death bed, Asher's mother had asked family members for help in contacting her son via a secret number,

Someone else tipped the cops

473 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:16:04am

re: #472 sattv4u2

I think it was more that "mom" wanted to see her son one last time before she took the eternal dirt nap

authorities learned that, on her death bed, Asher's mother had asked family members for help in contacting her son via a secret number,

Someone else tipped the cops

See, that's why ya just gotta say "See you on the other side" if you're going to go that route. Can't leave any loose ends trailing about.

474 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:21:41am

re: #473 Guanxi88

See, that's why ya just gotta say "See you on the other side" if you're going to go that route. Can't leave any loose ends trailing about.

Nahhh ,,,, most of the people I know,,, I don't even want to see them again on THIS side

Why spoil my restful (in peace) future!?!?!?

475 Guanxi88  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:32:03am

re: #474 sattv4u2

Nahhh ,,, most of the people I know,,, I don't even want to see them again on THIS side

Why spoil my restful (in peace) future!?!?!?

you sure you and I aren't some sort of Tyler Durden thing? You sound an awful lot like me.

476 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:33:33am

As CBS 2′s Derrick Blakley reports, prosecutors said Jones intended to kill the young man – a member of a rival gang – who was walking with Jefferson at the time.

But that doesn’t explain why Jones then shot Charinez multiple times while she begged for her life and authorities can’t figure that out, either.

Big tough guy gang member.
*spit*
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

477 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:39:32am

re: #476 Cannadian Club Akbar

that doesn’t explain why Jones then shot Charinez multiple times while she begged for her life

Because he could,,,, because, as you stated, "Big tough guy gang member."

A stint in big boy prison is in his immediate future

478 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:42:48am

re: #477 sattv4u2

He looks like a genius. Weird.
/

479 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:44:32am

re: #478 Cannadian Club Akbar

He looks like a genius. Weird.
/

I'm sure "mom" will be telling the press that he's a "good boy"

480 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:45:40am

Morning all!

481 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:46:11am

re: #478 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #479 sattv4u2

I'm sure "mom" will be telling the press that he's a "good boy"

heh ,,, I should have read further
Jones’ relatives insisted that police arrested the wrong man.

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:46:34am

Deputies: Shortchanged in drug deal, man calls 911
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Making Florida proud.

483 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:50:29am

Dear friends,
what did I miss?
/

484 researchok  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:50:45am

Morning, all

485 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:52:41am

re: #483 Sergey Romanov

Dear friends,
what did I miss?
/

CCA was giving out free stuff

486 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:56:18am

re: #485 sattv4u2

Hey! I want a free token too!

487 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:59:19am

re: #486 Sergey Romanov

Hey! I want a free token too!

Bus, subway, or LGF member!?!?!

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:01:21am

Police did not identify the girl. A police report stated Platt first met the victim the week before. They met again Saturday night at Platt's apartment, the report said, and the victim became "extremely intoxicated."

Weird. Must be a big apartment.

Platt had intercourse with the victim, which was "witnessed by victim's friend," according to the report. He was arrested on Sunday. Police said Platt admitted the incident but said "the victim advised him that she was 19 years of age," and that "she was a willing participant."

Weird. Er.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

File under "fucking moron".

489 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:03:09am

re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm going to have to disagree with that one. She was old enough to make the choice on her own, the only person who should be pissed is her father. Arresting someone for having consensual sex is retarded.

490 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:04:34am

re: #489 RogueOne

I'm going to have to disagree with that one. She was old enough to make the choice on her own, the only person who should be pissed is her father. Arresting someone for having consensual sex is retarded.

I'm betting the dad called the cops.

491 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:05:35am

re: #490 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm betting the dad called the cops.

Entirely possible. If so, what a wuss.

492 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:06:10am

re: #491 RogueOne

Entirely possible. If so, what a wuss.

Yea, "My Little Princess" and all that.

493 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:06:44am

Why do they put pictures of criminals up in the Post Office?

What are we supposed to do, write to them?
Why don't they just put their pictures on the postage stamps

so the mailmen can look for them while they deliver the mail?

494 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:07:48am

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea, "My Little Princess" and all that.

And this part is seriously stupid:

Under Florida statutes, neither "ignorance" nor "misrepresentation" of the victim's age are legal defenses to the criminal charge.

I guess that means you better start carding your dates!//

495 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:09:32am

re: #494 RogueOne

And this part is seriously stupid:

I guess that means you better start carding your dates!//

I always do, to the chagrin of my wife!!
//

496 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:09:37am

re: #494 RogueOne

And this part is seriously stupid:

I guess that means you better start carding your dates!//

When I used to hang with metal bands there was a girl who hung out as well. Always at the practices, always at the bar, DRINKING, haning out. She was 15.

497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:10:33am

Just saw my Facebook post from one year ago. It was,

Just saw pictures of a bunch of those "Twilight" vampire guys. Makes me just want to kick them right in the ovaries.

That is an opinion of mine that hasn't evolved at all.

498 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:11:21am

re: #494 RogueOne

Is age of consent 18 in that state?

499 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:12:12am

re: #497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just saw my Facebook post from one year ago. It was,

That is an opinion of mine that hasn't evolved at all.

I can proudly state I have not seen one minute of the Twilight series/saga

500 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:12:57am

re: #499 sattv4u2

Wanna medal?/

501 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:13:19am

re: #498 Sergey Romanov

Is age of consent 18 in that state?

In most places it's 16 as long as there is only a few years difference between their ages. In Indiana the age of consent is 16 with no limit on the partners age.

502 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:13:20am

re: #500 Sergey Romanov

Wanna medal?/

Is it free?

503 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:13:52am

I'm not gonna post a link to this story. Just enjoy the headline.
/
Turns Out That DSK's Swanky Hotel Suite Was Stained With The Semen Of Four Other Guys

504 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:14:29am

re: #502 sattv4u2

Is it free?

Yes, take this free token I found somewhere.

505 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:15:22am

When, exactly, did this thread nose dive into the toilet?
/

506 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:15:27am

re: #502 sattv4u2

Is it free?

re: #504 Sergey Romanov

Yes, take this free token I found somewhere.

Don't do it! I read somewhere you aren't supposed to trust a russian

507 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:16:12am

re: #505 Cannadian Club Akbar

When, exactly, did this thread nose dive into the toilet?
/

What time did you log in?

508 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:16:48am

re: #503 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not gonna post a link to this story. Just enjoy the headline.
/
Turns Out That DSK's Swanky Hotel Suite Was Stained With The Semen Of Four Other Guys

So DSK was doing four guys as well as the maid!?!?!

NTTAWWT!!!!

/

509 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:16:55am

re: #501 RogueOne

In most places it's 16 as long as there is only a few years difference between their ages. In Indiana the age of consent is 16 with no limit on the partners age.

In that news story she is 17, with age seemingly playing a role in the charges. Did I misunderstand the story?

510 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:17:36am

re: #509 Sergey Romanov

In that news story she is 17, with age seemingly playing a role in the charges. Did I misunderstand the story?

No, you got it. She was 17 but he's 28. If he had only been 20 there wouldn't be a problem.

511 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:17:48am

re: #509 Sergey Romanov

In that news story she is 17, with age seemingly playing a role in the charges. Did I misunderstand the story?

You're correct.

512 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:17:58am

re: #509 Sergey Romanov

In that news story she is 17, with age seemingly playing a role in the charges. Did I misunderstand the story?

I also thought one couldn't give "consent" if they are drunk

513 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:20:05am

re: #512 sattv4u2

I also thought one couldn't give "consent" if they are drunk

Maybe he asked her friend who was watching.
/

514 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:20:17am

re: #510 RogueOne

No, you got it. She was 17 but he's 28. If he had only been 20 there wouldn't be a problem.

What would happen if he was 17 and she 28? (Legally, mind you;)

515 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:20:57am

re: #510 RogueOne

No, you got it. She was 17 but he's 28. If he had only been 2024 there wouldn't be a problem.

[Link: www.ageofconsent.com...]

516 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:22:52am

re: #514 Sergey Romanov

What would happen if he was 17 and she 28? (Legally, mind you;)

Still would have been illegal in FL. There was a local case here a few years ago where a 18 yr old girl slept with a 15 yr old boy and she got arrested after the parents complained.

517 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:23:25am

re: #514 Sergey Romanov

What would happen if he was 17 and she 28? (Legally, mind you;)

He'd be DA MAN in school!!!
//

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:23:34am

re: #503 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not gonna post a link to this story. Just enjoy the headline.
/
Turns Out That DSK's Swanky Hotel Suite Was Stained With The Semen Of Four Other Guys

Does that mean he had a helluva party or that the housekeeping at that hotel sucks.

519 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:23:34am

re: #516 RogueOne

Stupid laws ;)

520 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:23:53am

re: #518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does that mean he had a helluva party or that the housekeeping at that hotel sucks.

yes!

521 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:24:58am

re: #518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does that mean he had a helluva party or that the housekeeping at that hotel sucks.

You travel a lot. Did you not know that you're supposed to take the comforter off the bed and toss it in the corner and never walk around barefooted?

522 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:25:19am

re: #519 Sergey Romanov

Stupid laws ;)

If I was the 15 year old kid, I would have lied on the stand and tapped it again.

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:26:56am

re: #521 RogueOne

Yeah, but I don't. I'll be CSI guys nightmare if they ever find my corpse.

524 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:27:12am

re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I was the 15 year old kid, I would have lied on the stand and tapped it again.

His own parents cock-blocked him. I understand a parent not wanting their 15 year old kid to be sexually active but calling the police because he slept with another teenager? That's ridiculous.

525 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:29:54am

This is so God damned funny!!!

Youtube Video
526 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:33:45am

re: #525 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is so God damned funny!!!

[Video]


The guys next line

"so ,,,, are you busy tonight?"

527 researchok  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:34:18am

Let me be the first to comment on the poor taste of of that video

528 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:38:18am

re: #527 researchok

Let me be the first to comment on the poor taste of of that video

I think she's the only one that could accurately comment on the taste
//

BAD SAT,, , BAD BAD BAD

529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:40:36am

re: #521 RogueOne

You travel a lot. Did you not know that you're supposed to take the comforter off the bed and toss it in the corner and never walk around barefooted?

On an episode of Dirty Jobs, Mike Rowe (who basically rolls around in assorted shit for his job) showed his typical room check in procedure in a hotel.

Takes the remote control for the tv and the phone, throws them on the bed, folds the comforter over top of them and throws it all in the corner; because of all the "germs" (he didn't says "sperm and fecal matter) that are on them.

Me? I just spread sperm and fecal matter all over everything and don't worry about it.

530 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:44:23am

re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On an episode of Dirty Jobs, Mike Rowe (who basically rolls around in assorted shit for his job) showed his typical room check in procedure in a hotel.

Takes the remote control for the tv and the phone, throws them on the bed, folds the comforter over top of them and throws it all in the corner; because of all the "germs" (he didn't says "sperm and fecal matter) that are on them.

Me? I just spread sperm and fecal matter all over everything and don't worry about it.

Do ya mix the two in a bowl, then use a butter knife? A brush?
/

531 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:48:50am

re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In the DSK room they found a money shot on the wall. That made me laugh.

532 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:50:52am

AFL-CIO envisions forming ‘super labor PAC’

Isn't that redundant??
/

[Link: www.boston.com...]


AND ,, wtf is Biden aiming at!?!?
/

533 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:53:14am

re: #530 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do ya mix the two in a bowl, then use a butter knife? A brush?
/


NOTE TO SELF

If FBV ever invites me over for dinner for something that he had 'marinated" politely refuse!

534 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:54:49am

ON THIS DAY

In 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union agreed to a non-aggression treaty, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, in Moscow.

How'd that work out for ya!?!?
/

535 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:56:56am

ON THIS DAY

Actress Barbara Eden is 77.

I still dream of her!

[Link: www.google.com...]

536 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:56:57am

re: #532 sattv4u2

AFL-CIO envisions forming ‘super labor PAC’

Isn't that redundant??
/

[Link: www.boston.com...]

AND ,, wtf is Biden aiming at!?!?
/

I like this one better:

Image: bidenmongolia2.jpg

almost onion ready.

537 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:57:19am

re: #532 sattv4u2

Unions remain a pillar of the Democratic Party, spending about $400 million to help elect Barack Obama president in 2008

Damn Big Oil. Wait, what?

538 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:57:28am

re: #536 RogueOne

I like this one better:

Image: bidenmongolia2.jpg

almost onion ready.

coffee,,,, nose ,,,, exit!!

539 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 3:57:59am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Unions remain a pillar of the Democratic Party, spending about $400 million to help elect Barack Obama president in 2008

Damn Big Oil. Wait, what?

pocket change for what they have planned

540 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:04:11am

They did a practice run with skool buses yesterday in Hillsborough County. Result?
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

541 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:04:34am

Morning Joe just showed clips from the Letterman show last night. He was back on for the first time since the news about the jihadist threat against him. He had a good time with it.

Found a clip:
[Link: www.aceshowbiz.com...]

542 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:06:39am

re: #541 RogueOne

They cut the best part. David said he said the joke but he wasn't the one who wrote it. Then then showed one of the writers and put his name on the screen.

543 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:09:38am

re: #540 Cannadian Club Akbar

They did a practice run with skool buses yesterday in Hillsborough County. Result?
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

It spread all the way to Iowa:
[Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

[Link: cmsimg.desmoinesregister.com...]

544 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:13:09am

re: #543 RogueOne

It spread all the way to Iowa:
[Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

[Link: cmsimg.desmoinesregister.com...]

damn scary!

545 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:13:31am

Nice article in the WSJ:

Federal Asset Seizures Rise, Netting Innocent With Guilty
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

In case you didn't know, the way to get around their subscription wall is to google the article name. They have a deal with google to allow click thru's to get the whole article instead of just the first paragraph. The only way to link it though is through google cache.

546 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:28:26am

re: #541 RogueOne

Morning Joe just showed clips from the Letterman show last night. He was back on for the first time since the news about the jihadist threat against him. He had a good time with it.

Found a clip:
[Link: www.aceshowbiz.com...]

I'll see your threat and raise you public humiliation by way of humor

547 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:31:14am

I'm freaking out of coffee and there are 120 skool zones between here and the store. I really need to plan better.

548 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:32:39am

re: #547 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have four pounds of coffee, because running out is not an option.

549 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:32:43am

re: #547 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm freaking out of coffee and there are 120 skool zones between here and the store. I really need to plan better.

Open a Dunkin Donuts in your basement!

550 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:33:29am

re: #549 sattv4u2

Open a Dunkin Donuts in your basement!

There is only one basement in Florida that I know of.

551 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:34:37am

re: #534 sattv4u2

ON THIS DAY

In 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union agreed to a non-aggression treaty, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, in Moscow.

How'd that work out for ya!?!?
/


Depends on who you ask. I hear they had great catering at the ceremony. /

552 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:34:44am

re: #468 Guanxi88

I can hear it now:

"General, our surviving scouts report a cold, dank land. Little population, no major towns. Lotta moss, sheep, and guys painted blue, and not much else."

"Anything else?"

"Well, sir, the people up there, well, they're a bit amens, sir, if you follow. And prone to head-butting, sir"

Roman Wall Blues

Over the heather the wet wind blows,
I've lice in my tunic and a cold in my nose.

The rain comes pattering out of the sky,
I'm a Wall soldier, I don't know why.

The mist creeps over the hard grey stone,
My girl's in Tungria; I sleep alone.

Aulus goes hanging around her place,
I don't like his manners, I don't like his face.

Piso's a Christian, he worships a fish;
There'd be no kissing if he had his wish.

She gave me a ring but I diced it away;
I want my girl and I want my pay.

When I'm a veteran with only one eye
I shall do nothing but look at the sky.

--WH Auden

553 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:34:46am

re: #550 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is only one basement in Florida that I know of.

Then open one in your bedroom

God knows there's nothing else going on in there!

554 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:36:37am

re: #551 Sergey Romanov

Depends on who you ask. I hear they had great catering at the ceremony. /

borscht and schnitzel
vodka and beer

555 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:37:47am

re: #554 sattv4u2

borscht and schnitzel
vodka and beer

Pierogi with wieners.

556 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:38:57am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Unions remain a pillar of the Democratic Party, spending about $400 million to help elect Barack Obama president in 2008

Damn Big Oil. Wait, what?

Lol.
And corporations remain the pillar of the GOP.
What's your point?
:)

557 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:40:52am

A mental exercise: what would 2008 LGF you say about 2011 LGF you.

558 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:42:04am

re: #556 Varek Raith

Lol.
And corporations remain the pillar of the GOP.
What's your point?
:)

Citizens United swings both ways.

559 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:42:07am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

Registered since: Nov 11, 2009 at 6:52 pm

560 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:42:08am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

A mental exercise: what would 2008 LGF you say about 2011 LGF you.

Piss off wanker!

Something along those lines.

561 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:42:42am

re: #559 Obdicut

It means N/A ;)

562 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:43:07am

re: #556 Varek Raith

Lol.
And corporations remain the pillar of the GOP. POLITICIANS
What's your point?
:)

[Link: www.followthemoney.org...]

ftfy

563 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:43:20am

re: #558 Decatur Deb

Citizens United swings both ways.

No shit.
You think the GOP would then agree that unions are people too?
XD

564 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:43:26am

re: #558 Decatur Deb

Citizens United swings both ways.

NTTAWWT~!!!

/

565 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:43:40am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

A mental exercise: what would 2008 LGF you say about 2011 LGF you.

2008 me would ask why I still don't have a 2011 full time job.:)

566 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:44:04am

re: #559 Obdicut

Registered since: Nov 11, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Newb. Registered since: Oct 11, 2009 at 3:44 pm

567 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:44:44am

re: #566 RogueOne

Newb. Registered since: Oct 11, 2009 at 3:44 pm

Elder statesman!/

568 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:44:58am

re: #562 sattv4u2

[Link: www.followthemoney.org...]

ftfy

[Link: www.alec.org...]
Rightwing AGW denial and financial deregulation at its best. Many GOP govs model their laws after ALEC suggestions.
Funny that.

569 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:45:11am

re: #565 Cannadian Club Akbar

2008 me would ask why I still don't have a 2011 full time job.:)

At least you're consistent!

570 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:47:32am

re: #568 Varek Raith

[Link: www.alec.org...]
Rightwing AGW denial and financial deregulation at its best. Many GOP govs model their laws after ALEC suggestions.
Funny that.

Yeah ,, because there's NO union influence in Dem decisions!!
SEIU’s Stern Tops White House Visitor List

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

571 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:49:15am

re: #570 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, because there's NO not enough union influence in Dem decisions!!
SEIU’s Stern Tops White House Visitor List

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

572 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:49:50am

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Because there's not enough corporate influence among the GOP.

573 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:51:12am

re: #570 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, because there's NO union influence in Dem decisions!!
SEIU’s Stern Tops White House Visitor List

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Right. The dems did a swell job of fighting back against GOP anti-union bills this past year. Oh wait, they didn't.

574 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:51:59am

re: #572 Varek Raith

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Because there's not enough corporate influence among the GOP.

Hope the bosses are starting to realize that. I think the TP has actually slipped its leash.

575 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:52:52am

I'd trust a union sooner than I'd trust a corporation.
;)

576 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:54:43am

re: #575 Varek Raith

commie

577 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:54:55am

USGS: Colorado experiences largest quake in more than 40 years
LUNAR VOLCANOES!

578 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:55:18am

re: #576 Sergey Romanov

commie

Randist!

579 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:56:49am

re: #578 Varek Raith

Trotskyite!

580 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:57:35am

re: #576 Sergey Romanov

commie

Image: Solidarnosc-Logo.jpg

581 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:58:10am

re: #579 Sergey Romanov

Trotskyite!

Commie Nazi!

Youtube Video
583 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:59:19am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

Image: 48F4476AD2A47.jpg

[Link: media.photobucket.com...]

584 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:59:36am

re: #581 Varek Raith

Commie Nazi!

[Video]

Image: 73694.jpg

585 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:00:17am

re: #584 Sergey Romanov

Image: 73694.jpg

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

586 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:00:55am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

Can't make that out..

587 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:01:48am

re: #586 Decatur Deb

Can't make that out..

communist skin heads?

589 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:03:35am

re: #587 sattv4u2

communist skin heads?

National-Bolsheviks.

590 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:03:41am

re: #587 sattv4u2

communist skin heads?

Got them--can't read the cyrillic w/ the Russian flag.

591 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:03:47am

Well, speaking of nothing that has been mentioned here...
[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

592 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:03:48am

re: #586 Decatur Deb

Can't make that out..

Solidarnost'.

593 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:05:34am

re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, speaking of nothing that has been mentioned here...
[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

For when you run out of real assholes.

594 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:06:09am

re: #593 Decatur Deb

For when you run out of real assholes.

We have no shortage.:)

595 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:06:10am

re: #592 Sergey Romanov

Solidarnost'.

Sodomites?

//

NTTAWWT!!!

596 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:07:25am

re: #595 sattv4u2

Sodomites?

//

NTTAWWT!!!

Why do we never hear of Gomorrahites?

597 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:07:45am

re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, speaking of nothing that has been mentioned here...
[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

...
..
.

598 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:07:55am

re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, speaking of nothing that has been mentioned here...
[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

re: #593 Decatur Deb

For when you run out of real assholes.

By testing the replacement sphincter with electric shocks and chemicals, Bitar's team made sure that it contracts and relaxes as a normal sphincte

Honey ,, I have to go to the bathroom
Could you please hook up the portable generator??

599 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:08:16am

re: #598 sattv4u2

re: #593 Decatur Deb

By testing the replacement sphincter with electric shocks and chemicals, Bitar's team made sure that it contracts and relaxes as a normal sphincte

Honey ,, I have to go to the bathroom
Could you please hook up the portable generator??

Yeah, no.
Just no.
Lol.

600 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:08:48am

re: #599 Varek Raith

Yeah, no.
Just no.
Lol.

What if the Dark Lord orders?

Image: OBEY_VV.jpg

601 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:09:15am

SCIENCE!!!!

602 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:09:30am

re: #596 Decatur Deb

Why do we never hear of Gomorrahites?

Hemorrhoids?

603 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:09:36am

re: #598 sattv4u2

re: #593 Decatur Deb

By testing the replacement sphincter with electric shocks and chemicals, Bitar's team made sure that it contracts and relaxes as a normal sphincte

Honey ,, I have to go to the bathroom
Could you please hook up the portable generator??

Gotta be an app for that--and a micro-USB.

604 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:09:52am

re: #600 Sergey Romanov

What if the Dark Lord orders?

Image: OBEY_VV.jpg

Pick up or delivery?

605 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:10:20am

Sigh, something else to deal with.
Image: 083214W_sm.gif

Watch it go right up 95.

606 dell*nix  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:10:32am

re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar

My GP sent me to a GI, he sent me to a cutter, she damn near put me in diapers. Before long I may need to donate a few cells to that firm.

607 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:11:33am

re: #601 Cannadian Club Akbar

SCIENCE!!!

Image: ScienceNewsCycle.gif

608 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:11:58am

re: #605 Varek Raith

Irene means peace and tranquility.

609 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:12:30am

re: #608 Cannadian Club Akbar

Irene means peace and tranquility.

We suck at naming these things.

610 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:13:15am

re: #605 Varek Raith

Sigh, something else to deal with.
Image: 083214W_sm.gif

Watch it go right up 95.

Projected track seems to be well off the coast till it makes landfall on the Outer Banks of NC

611 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:13:35am

re: #609 Varek Raith

We suck at naming these things.

I would say name them after my ex GF, but how many times can you say Whore before getting tired of it?
/

612 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:13:37am

re: #609 Varek Raith

We suck at naming these things.

Maybe it was named after Jon Irenicus?

613 dell*nix  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:14:01am

John Prine

Illegal Smile

Youtube Video
614 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:14:11am

re: #612 Sergey Romanov

Maybe it was named after Jon Irenicus?

Nice!
+100 points.

615 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:14:27am

re: #611 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would say name them after my ex GF, but how many times can you say Whore before getting tired of it?
/

Last night, no matter how many times I said it, doesn't seem to mind!

/

616 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:16:09am

re: #615 sattv4u2

Last night, no matter how many times I said it, SHE doesn't seem to mind!

/

pimf

617 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:17:36am

re: #611 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would say name them after my ex GF, but how many times can you say Whore before getting tired of it?
/

I could see some laid-off NOAA guy submitting the season's list. They'd catch on around TS Puta.

618 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:19:43am

re: #617 Decatur Deb

I could see some laid-off NOAA guy submitting the season's list. They'd catch on around TS Puta.

Hurricane Get the Fuck Out of the Way

619 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:20:29am

re: #618 Varek Raith

Hurricane Get the Fuck Out of the Way

Hurricane TOGTFO.

620 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:21:34am

re: #619 Sergey Romanov

Hurricane TOGTFO.

Projected landfall at Panama City Beach.

621 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:22:15am

It's always interesting watching people scramble into Home Depot (et al) buying plywood to board up their windows

I sit and wonder WTF did you do with the planks you bought LAST YEAR,, (and the year before,, and the year before that,, and the,....)

I mean, , it's not like this is the 1st year the east coast got a hurricane!!

//
(somewhat)

622 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:23:15am

re: #621 sattv4u2

It's always interesting watching people scramble into Home Depot (et al) buying plywood to board up their windows

I sit and wonder WTF did you do with the planks you bought LAST YEAR,, (and the year before,, and the year before that,, and the,...)

I mean, , it's not like this is the 1st year the east coast got a hurricane!!

//
(somewhat)

People are dumb.
:)
I have plywood downstairs just for such an event.

623 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:23:17am

re: #595 sattv4u2

Sodomites?

//

NTTAWWT!!!

Image: This_is_VDV.jpg

624 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:23:55am

re: #621 sattv4u2

It's always interesting watching people scramble into Home Depot (et al) buying plywood to board up their windows

I sit and wonder WTF did you do with the planks you bought LAST YEAR,, (and the year before,, and the year before that,, and the,...)

I mean, , it's not like this is the 1st year the east coast got a hurricane!!

//
(somewhat)

No. No sarc. These fucking people are stoopid. Add, food, water, etc. Idiots.

625 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:24:36am

re: #621 sattv4u2

It's always interesting watching people scramble into Home Depot (et al) buying plywood to board up their windows

I sit and wonder WTF did you do with the planks you bought LAST YEAR,, (and the year before,, and the year before that,, and the,...)

I mean, , it's not like this is the 1st year the east coast got a hurricane!!

//
(somewhat)

Buddy of mine is a Baja Alabama version of Woody Allen. He was filmed by the local news at Sam's Club, buying his flashlight and case of bottled water.

626 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:24:41am

re: #623 Sergey Romanov

Image: This_is_VDV.jpg

Youtube Video
627 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:25:15am

re: #626 sattv4u2

[Video]

Image: F111.jpg

628 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:25:49am

I also always have a ten day supply of food and water.
It's not that hard people!

629 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:25:52am

re: #625 Decatur Deb

Buddy of mine is a Baja Alabama version of Woody Allen. He was filmed by the local news at Sam's Club, buying his flashlight and case of bottled water.

heh ,,, reminds me of the people in Ohio that wouldn't go swimming in lakes there after the JAWS movie came out

630 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:26:12am

re: #627 Sergey Romanov

Image: F111.jpg

Ha!

631 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:26:20am

re: #628 Varek Raith

I also always have a ten day supply of food and water.
It's not that hard people!

So ,, you took Glen Becks advice, huh!
/

632 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:27:29am

re: #631 sattv4u2

So ,, you took Glen Becks advice, huh!
/

Learned my lesson after the blizzard of 96. I was just a kid, but we were stuck in that house for almost a week with no power.
Not fun.
Besides, I live on the east coast, real close to Irene's current path.

633 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:30:45am

re: #632 Varek Raith

We haven't had a direct hit here in 90 or 91 years.

634 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:32:29am

re: #633 Cannadian Club Akbar

We haven't had a direct hit here in 90 or 91 years.

By here I mean Tampa, although I am South of Tampa.

635 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:32:55am

re: #633 Cannadian Club Akbar

We haven't had a direct hit here in 90 or 91 years.

We get over 100 mph every 10 years or so. If it were any more frequent I would turn my house's decorative "shutters" into the real thing.

636 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:34:09am

re: #633 Cannadian Club Akbar

We haven't had a direct hit here in 90 or 91 years.

This was our last troublemaker.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

637 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:35:01am

re: #634 Cannadian Club Akbar

By here I mean Tampa, although I am South of Tampa.

You should have been near the place where a weakened Andrew punched through back into the Gulf.

638 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:37:23am

re: #636 Varek Raith

This was our last troublemaker.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Monster.
Image: Hurricane_Isabel_18_sept_2003_1555Z.jpg

639 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:37:44am

re: #637 Decatur Deb

You should have been near the place where a weakened Andrew punched through back into the Gulf.

I was in Port Charlotte, 2 hours south. Came back from Lalapalooza in Orlando when Andrew hit, wondered why there were no hotel rooms on I-4 or I-75.

640 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:38:18am

re: #638 Varek Raith

Monster.
Image: Hurricane_Isabel_18_sept_2003_1555Z.jpg

Such a cutie!

641 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:39:30am

Morning Lizardim. I see the word of the day is "hurricane". Hope all the Floriduh lizards have battened down the hatches and headed for a sunnier rock to bask on.

642 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:39:56am

Interesting enough, I was supposed to be in the Outer Banks, NC this weekend. But our rental time was pushed back to last month.
Lucky me!

643 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:40:28am

He Lives!

644 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:42:02am

re: #639 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was in Port Charlotte, 2 hours south. Came back from Lalapalooza in Orlando when Andrew hit, wondered why there were no hotel rooms on I-4 or I-75.

Did a month out of the tactical ops center for JTF Andrew. We were set up in the abandoned Eastern Airlines headquarters. Still got the t-shirt.

645 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:42:50am

re: #644 Decatur Deb

Did a month out of the tactical ops center for JTF Andrew. We were set up in the abandoned Eastern Airlines headquarters. Still got the t-shirt.

There's a "All I got was this lousy tshirt" joke in there somewhere.

646 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:44:05am

Hurricane Andrew landfall anniversary is tomorrow.

647 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:45:15am

re: #643 ggt

He Lives!

Heh. The only difference of his claims from various other such claims is that he is a lonely nutjob.

Cf. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

648 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:48:00am

re: #644 Decatur Deb

Did a month out of the tactical ops center for JTF Andrew. We were set up in the abandoned Eastern Airlines headquarters. Still got the t-shirt.

heh,,, reminds me when I was a teen. My father knew the head of maintainance for them in Boston. Got me a summer job cleaning planes (inside and out)

As the new guy, they hazed me pretty good. My second day on the job, the foreman told me to go over to American Airlines and get the "sky hook" they had borrowed from Eastern. Of course, everyone at the airport was in on the joke CEPT the "new guy" (read; ME)

Of course there is no such thing as a "sky hook" but it sounded plausible as a tool to clean a plane! So of course, American Airlines told me they gave it to Delta, Delta told me they gave it to ,,,,,,ect ect

Two days walking around the airport from hanger to hanger looking for 'our" sky hook!

649 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:48:40am

re: #647 Sergey Romanov

Heh. The only difference of his claims from various other such claims is that he is a lonely nutjob.

Cf. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yeah--such stuff makes life hard for archaeologists. One of our guys at UofL got (a) a lawsuit, and (b) a formal curse, from an American Indian Movement lawyer.

650 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:49:42am

re: #649 Decatur Deb

Yeah--such stuff makes life hard for archaeologists. One of our guys at UofL got (a) a lawsuit, and (b) a formal curse, from an American Indian Movement lawyer.

Lemme be blunt: stupid laws should be changed so that stupid people don't make life hard for smart people with their based-on-nothing mythology.

651 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:49:44am

re: #451 Cannadian Club Akbar

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User Z?

652 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:50:31am

I hear Kaddafi's residence has been breached.

653 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:50:52am

re: #651 ggt

User Z?

the other 25 letters were already in use!

654 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:51:32am

Germany calls for a fair trial for Kaddafi.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

I agree.

655 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:53:20am

re: #650 Sergey Romanov

Lemme be blunt: stupid laws should be changed so that stupid people don't make life hard for smart people with their based-on-nothing mythology.

And there's the rub. Where does the "freedom of religion" line end and the "freedom to research your ancestors' bones" line begin?

656 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:53:52am

re: #650 Sergey Romanov

Lemme be blunt: stupid laws should be changed so that stupid people don't make life hard for smart people with their based-on-nothing mythology.

The law is fairly reasonable--it requires that a distinct line be drawn between human remains and an identified group that wants to sequester them. Trouble is that anyone with a few bucks and an axe to grind can start an harassment suit.

657 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:54:17am

re: #655 thedopefishlives

And there's the rub. Where does the "freedom of religion" line end and the "freedom to research your ancestors' bones" line begin?

How is freedom of religion even relevant here?

658 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:54:54am

re: #657 Sergey Romanov

How is freedom of religion even relevant here?

People's religious beliefs are the most common source of these so-called stupid lawsuits.

659 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:54:58am

re: #656 Decatur Deb

The law is fairly reasonable--it requires that a distinct line be drawn between human remains and an identified group that wants to sequester them. Trouble is that anyone with a few bucks and an axe to grind can start an harassment suit.

Then the law is not reasonable. Also, any remains n years old should just be declared a fair game for research.

660 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:55:29am

re: #658 thedopefishlives

People's religious beliefs are the most common source of these so-called stupid lawsuits.

Sure, but that doesn't answer my question. Nobody's freedom of religion is infringed.

661 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:55:30am

re: #654 Sergey Romanov

Germany calls for a fair trial for Kaddafi.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

I agree.

That should be up to the people of Libya not the ICC.

662 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:56:30am

re: #661 RogueOne

That should be up to the people of Libya not the ICC.

ICC also, if the Libyans choose so.

663 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:57:47am

re: #660 Sergey Romanov

Sure, but that doesn't answer my question. Nobody's freedom of religion is infringed.

Says who, you? There are religious groups whose beliefs demand that interred remains not be disturbed. Are you just going to arbitrarily declare that any religion with such a belief system is to be stomped on in the name of science?

664 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:58:17am

Freedom of religion means people should be free to worship as they like within the confines of the law. It doesn't mean the state should accomodate or listen to religious claims.

665 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:58:45am

re: #662 Sergey Romanov

ICC also, if the Libyans choose so.

That. OTOH, they're free to hang him after a short trial if that's how they decide to go.

666 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:58:56am

re: #659 Sergey Romanov

Then the law is not reasonable. Also, any remains n years old should just be declared a fair game for research.

One day I had some time off in Thessalonica, so I went to the archaeology museum there. Turning a corner, I came on a small glass case, like an old handkerchief counter in a haberdashery. Inside was Phillip of Macedon, marked by a 3x5 card. The face wound on the skeleton makes it very likely that the bones are his. Seemed a little declasse.

667 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:00:00am

re: #663 thedopefishlives

There are religious groups whose beliefs demand that interred remains not be disturbed.

Uh, so what? What if there are religions demanding human sacrifice?

Are you just going to arbitrarily declare that any religion with such a belief system is to be stomped on in the name of science?

But nobody stomps on anything. Nobody prohibits them from making such claims. But not listening to those claims does not mean infringing on their freedom.

668 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:00:33am

re: #664 Sergey Romanov

Freedom of religion means people should be free to worship as they like within the confines of the law. It doesn't mean the state should accomodate or listen to religious claims.

That would be true if the state was the source of legislative power instead of the people. That isn't how it works here... supposedly.

669 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:01:07am

re: #665 RogueOne

That. OTOH, they're free to hang him after a short trial if that's how they decide to go.

Sure, but then they should not pretend to be those freedom-loving rebels etc.

670 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:02:14am

re: #669 Sergey Romanov

Sure, but then they should not pretend to be those freedom-loving rebels etc.

I think that part is still up in the air. We'll see eventually.

671 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:03:34am

re: #667 Sergey Romanov

Well, the problem is there is obviously some cultural/religious accommodation being made, otherwise the "N" years that you are proposing to wait before bodies can be open to scientific inquiry wouldn't exist.

It doesn't seem to matter much whether the reason we do not consider the freshly-dead as able to be used for scientific experiments without permission of family members is cultural or religious.

672 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:03:42am

re: #669 Sergey Romanov

Sure, but then they should not pretend to be those freedom-loving rebels etc.

Huh??

They've been mobilzed for 6 months now fighting (and killing) "loyalist" forces
So why shouldn't it end with a trail and execution (if they so desire) of the head of that state?
Just because they are "freedom loving rebels" does not mean they cannot

673 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:03:48am

re: #668 RogueOne

That would be true if the state was the source of legislative power instead of the people. That isn't how it works here... supposedly.

No, that is true regardless of the legislative power, since we're talking about principles here. Freedom of religion is not infringed by not giving in to religious demands. That the laws - as they are - _may_ take religion into account is another matter.

674 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:04:48am

re: #672 sattv4u2

Huh??

They've been mobilzed for 6 months now fighting (and killing) "loyalist" forces
So why shouldn't it end with a trail and execution (if they so desire) of the head of that state?
Just because they are "freedom loving rebels" does not mean they cannot

I assume that a "short trial" here is not equivalent to a fair trial. If the trial is fair, go ahead.

675 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:06:18am

re: #674 Sergey Romanov

I assume that a "short trial" here is not equivalent to a fair trial. If the trial is fair, go ahead.

Do you think Saddams trial in Iraq was "fair"?

I mean, it was a foregone conclusion what the outcome was going to be, but in your mind, was it held in a accordance with trial "fairness"?

676 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:07:03am

re: #667 Sergey Romanov

Uh, so what? What if there are religions demanding human sacrifice?

But nobody stomps on anything. Nobody prohibits them from making such claims. But not listening to those claims does not mean infringing on their freedom.

There is a range of affinity that extends from freshly-buried Aunt Minnie to a nameless, tribeless, Kennebunk Man. No one gets to study AM without permission. No one has a reasonable right to interfere with KM studies. We have lawyers to find the frontier.

677 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:07:33am

re: #673 Sergey Romanov

No, that is true regardless of the legislative power, since we're talking about principles here. Freedom of religion is not infringed by not giving in to religious demands. That the laws - as they are - _may_ take religion into account is another matter.

I don't know how it works in the UK.

But, I have a hard time believing anyone who says they are a druid. Druid's were killed off by the Romans and didn't write anything down. So, how could anyone possibly know what they preached--except by reading the biased Roman view in the original latin?

678 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:08:05am

re: #676 Decatur Deb

We have lawyers to find the frontier.

I thought that was Captain Kirks mission!?!?!

679 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:08:58am

re: #671 Obdicut

Well, the problem is there is obviously some cultural/religious accommodation being made, otherwise the "N" years that you are proposing to wait before bodies can be open to scientific inquiry wouldn't exist.

It doesn't seem to matter much whether the reason we do not consider the freshly-dead as able to be used for scientific experiments without permission of family members is cultural or religious.


Well, freedom of religion itself (as well as freedom in general) is also a cultural thing. Does that mean anything goes? I would say there is a big difference between saying "anyone buried in this area you should not touch coz my religion says so" and "don't use our recently deceased relatives without permission".

680 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:09:06am

AS I understand it, the real or semi-real King Arthur could not have been a Druid. That King Arthur (or the King on which the legend is based) lived after the Roman Empire Fell. The Romans killed off the Druids long before that.

681 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:09:28am

re: #675 sattv4u2

Do you think Saddams trial in Iraq was "fair"?

I mean, it was a foregone conclusion what the outcome was going to be, but in your mind, was it held in a accordance with trial "fairness"?

I didn't follow the trial.

682 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:10:27am

re: #681 Sergey Romanov

I didn't follow the trial.

It didn't offer much opportunity for surprise.

683 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:11:06am

re: #682 Decatur Deb

It didn't offer much opportunity for surprise.

Well,, it wasn't exactly the OJ jury/ judge!!

684 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:11:16am

Saddam's trial was fair.

The evidence was overwhelming. I don't think the sentencing was necessarily the best choice, but they don't seem to go for life in a Psych Unit over there.

The trial is held, in such cases, because there may be some possible evidence that was overlooked that would prove the person innocent.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

685 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:11:37am

re: #682 Decatur Deb

It didn't offer much opportunity for surprise.

I don't think anyone here has illusions about the Iraqi "democracy" anyway. We're talking Libya, so let's stick to Libya.

686 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:12:22am

re: #681 Sergey Romanov

I didn't follow the trial.

Cliff Note Version:
It was a dark and stormy night.
How do you plead?
No guilty!
Wrong! Get some rope.
/kinda

687 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:12:56am

re: #685 Sergey Romanov

I don't think anyone here has illusions about the Iraqi "democracy" anyway. We're talking Libya, so let's stick to Libya.

K,,,, and as was stated upthread, who knows what type of system they'll (the "rebels') will choose,,, IF that is, they do prevail

688 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:13:02am

re: #659 Sergey Romanov

Then the law is not reasonable. Also, any remains n years old should just be declared a fair game for research.

Well, I'm old-fashioned and superstitious. I think the Jews who were thrown down the well should receive an honorable burial and not end up in little pieces in some university basement.

689 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:13:23am

re: #687 sattv4u2

K,,, and as was stated upthread, who knows what type of system they'll (the "rebels') will choose,,, IF that is, they do prevail

And I'm not prejudging them either ;)

690 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:13:41am

re: #679 Sergey Romanov

I would say there is a big difference between saying "anyone buried in this area you should not touch coz my religion says so" and "don't use our recently deceased relatives without permission".

What's the difference, though, really? To me, the former is just an extension of the latter. After all, without a religious component, what really does it matter if we use the recently dead? Why shouldn't we simply harvest the organs of every dead person?

I mean, I personally, being an atheist and extreme pragmatist, wish that we did, that we had a culture in which every dead person's organs were used to help others. I think that'd be fantastic, and I wish we had a culture that celebrated that and was proud of that, instead of the one we have with what is, to me, a very creepy attitude towards dead bodies.

But we don't. We have a culture where dead bodies are treated with reverence and as though, somehow, the dead person is somehow attached to them. I don't see why the "N" number of years passing changes that from a cultural thing to a purely religious one.

691 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:14:11am

re: #688 Alouette

Well, I'm old-fashioned and superstitious. I think the Jews who were thrown down the well should receive an honorable burial and not end up in little pieces in some university basement.

I'm torn on this.

It is a very powerful image.

We must never forget.

692 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:14:12am

re: #685 Sergey Romanov

I don't think anyone here has illusions about the Iraqi "democracy" anyway. We're talking Libya, so let's stick to Libya.

Every baby nation is another reason to hope. I can't say that our leaders did adequate preparation of our people for the decision to shoot.

693 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:14:40am

re: #688 Alouette

Well, I'm old-fashioned and superstitious. I think the Jews who were thrown down the well should receive an honorable burial and not end up in little pieces in some university basement.

If the study of their remains offers anything new to science (unlikely) then they should be studied for whatever period necessary.

694 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:15:24am

re: #690 Obdicut

wish that we did, that we had a culture in which every dead person's organs were used to help others

ORGAN DONOR CARDS, PEOPLE,,,, SIGN UP!!!

695 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:16:28am

re: #690 Obdicut

What's the difference, though, really? To me, the former is just an extension of the latter. After all, without a religious component, what really does it matter if we use the recently dead? Why shouldn't we simply harvest the organs of every dead person?

I mean, I personally, being an atheist and extreme pragmatist, wish that we did, that we had a culture in which every dead person's organs were used to help others. I think that'd be fantastic, and I wish we had a culture that celebrated that and was proud of that, instead of the one we have with what is, to me, a very creepy attitude towards dead bodies.

But we don't. We have a culture where dead bodies are treated with reverence and as though, somehow, the dead person is somehow attached to them. I don't see why the "N" number of years passing changes that from a cultural thing to a purely religious one.

I worship the Individual Blade of Grass *I call* George. I am the sole member of the church of IBS.

I know he exists, but I've never seen him.

I want all landscaping services to suspend operation. All lawn mowers to be dismanted and manufacturers of such to cease and desist.

NO one should interefere with my belief.

/

696 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:16:31am

re: #693 Sergey Romanov

If the study of their remains offers anything new to science (unlikely) then they should be studied for whatever period necessary.

The researchers have already studied the hell out of them, plus all those hundreds of years they were at the bottom of the well, they should be given a funeral and rest in peace.

697 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:17:40am

And BTW I think it's totally retarded for Atra Kadisha in Israel to be giving funerals for pig bones.

698 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:18:43am

re: #694 sattv4u2

wish that we did, that we had a culture in which every dead person's organs were used to help others

ORGAN DONOR CARDS, PEOPLE,,, SIGN UP!!!

Not eligible--the Army exposed my whole family (and a hundred or so thousands of others) to Mad Cows in Europe. An awful lot of people can't give blood or organs because of a very unlikely chance of hidden infection.

699 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:18:50am

re: #696 Alouette

The researchers have already studied the hell out of them, plus all those hundreds of years they were at the bottom of the well, they should be given a funeral and rest in peace.

If it were me (my remains) and they could be used as an example of how inhumane humans could be, I think I'd want them to stay as they are.

It's not the science, IMHO.

That image made me shudder and still makes me shudder.

Some people need to see such things or they don't believe the history books.

700 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:19:00am

re: #695 ggt

I worship the Individual Blade of Grass *I call* George. I am the sole member of the church of IBS.

I know he exists, but I've never seen him.

I want all landscaping services to suspend operation. All lawn mowers to be dismanted and manufacturers of such to cease and desist.

NO one should interefere with my belief.

/

DAMN ,,,

You and I now can't get married due to religious differences

I happen to be a High Priest of the Church of the Riding Lawn Mower

(The CRLM for short)

701 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:19:24am

re: #690 Obdicut

> What's the difference, though, really?

If you want to relativize it to death, you will be succesful since there's no objective stopping point at all. But again, it can be relativized ad infinitum. Which is why all we can do is offer our own perspective of what ought to be.

702 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:19:37am

re: #700 sattv4u2

DAMN ,,,

You and I now can't get married due to religious differences

I happen to be a High Priest of the Church of the Riding Lawn Mower

(The CRLM for short)

Think of what our children would have to endure.

703 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:19:45am

re: #698 Decatur Deb

Yep. Me too. I lived in England when I was 17. No donations for me.

Sucks. I'd really like to.

704 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:19:50am

re: #698 Decatur Deb

Not eligible--the Army exposed my whole family (and a hundred or so thousands of others) to Mad Cows in Europe. An awful lot of people can't give blood or organs because of a very unlikely chance of hidden infection.

You should still be able to donate, but not for transplant reasons (obviously) but for research purposes

705 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:20:17am

re: #702 ggt

Think of what our children would have to endure.

Besides nutty parents?

706 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:20:57am

re: #696 Alouette

The researchers have already studied the hell out of them, plus all those hundreds of years they were at the bottom of the well, they should be given a funeral and rest in peace.

Which is why I say - unlikely.

But there is a real case: the case of extermination camps, where several rabbis raised ruckus because of archeological investigations, thus hampering them.

707 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:21:02am

I don't give a damn what happens to my corpse, once it is actually a corpse.

Put in on the curb in a Glad bag for all I will care.

708 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:21:48am

re: #705 Cannadian Club Akbar

Besides nutty parents?

All kids think their parents are nutty.

I'm talking about the bullying and harrassment--coming from a mixed marriage and all.

709 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:22:43am

re: #701 Sergey Romanov

> What's the difference, though, really?

If you want to relativize it to death, you will be succesful since there's no objective stopping point at all. But again, it can be relativized ad infinitum. Which is why all we can do is offer our own perspective of what ought to be.

Right. Which is what I'm pointing out; it's not really any sillier to have a funeral a week after someone is dead or treat the bones of the person a certain way 8000 years after they're dead, and I don't think one or the other can really be said to be the more religious attitude.

But in terms of law and actually getting shit done, I think the 'living relative' rule is a good one, with an arbitrary number of years for those who don't have any. That seems to accommodate human culture.

710 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:23:17am

re: #704 sattv4u2

You should still be able to donate, but not for transplant reasons (obviously) but for research purposes

Yeah--if someone needed that. We'd probably create a big Blood-Borne Pathogen problem for any routine lab use.

711 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:24:14am

re: #710 Decatur Deb

Yeah--if someone needed that. We'd probably create a big Blood-Borne Pathogen problem for any routine lab use.

so ,, a typical teenagers bedroom, huh!?!?

///

712 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:24:52am

re: #709 Obdicut

Again, it's not only an opinion issue - it's also a factual issue. From wiki:

The Umatilla argued that their oral history goes back 10,000 years and say that their people have been present on their historical territory since the dawn of time,[8] so a government holding that Kennewick Man is not Native American is tantamount to the government's rejection of their religious beliefs.
713 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:25:17am

I'd like to see the bones in the well treated with dignity and respect. I'd also like them available for public viewing/education/shock.

It would be nice if the scientists and the Jewish Community could set up some special area in a museum, that gave religious dignity to the bones as well as provided a somber and sobering atmosphere for the bones to be viewed.

714 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:25:54am

re: #697 Alouette

And BTW I think it's totally retarded for Atra Kadisha in Israel to be giving funerals for pig bones.

What's that?

715 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:27:58am

bbiab

716 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:28:07am

re: #712 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, I know. I'm looking beyond this case here.

My point is that to me, the reverence for the dead appears mostly religious in nature whether the dead are 6000 years dead, or just an hour.

I fully agree there needs to be a sensible rule. I just think that you're overlooking that almost all of the ways we deal with dead bodies are, already, religious. And the government does make specifically religious accommodation in terms of burial rites, and I don't think anyone really should have a big problem with that.

717 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:28:15am

re: #714 Sergey Romanov

What's that?

There was an archaeological dig in Israel which was swarmed by Haredi protestors who claimed Jewish remains were being disrespected even though there was ample evidence that these people were a bunch of pig eaters.

718 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:28:53am

re: #707 ggt

I don't give a damn what happens to my corpse, once it is actually a corpse.

Put in on the curb in a Glad bag for all I will care.

That's your decision and that's fine and dandy.

My decision for my own remains is different. The government should not be in the business of usurping my decision for my own remains by demanding that my remains be turned over to somebody for study. If they want remains to study, they can donate their own.

719 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:31:37am

and on that note, a conference call prior to the long quiet drive home

720 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:32:37am

re: #712 Sergey Romanov

Again, it's not only an opinion issue - it's also a factual issue. From wiki:

The irony is that the American Indian group needs the work of archaeologists to validate their claims of antiquity to anyone but themselves.

721 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:33:18am

re: #716 Obdicut

Yeah, I know. I'm looking beyond this case here.

My point is that to me, the reverence for the dead appears mostly religious in nature whether the dead are 6000 years dead, or just an hour.

I fully agree there needs to be a sensible rule. I just think that you're overlooking that almost all of the ways we deal with dead bodies are, already, religious. And the government does make specifically religious accommodation in terms of burial rites, and I don't think anyone really should have a big problem with that.

I don't think I'm overlooking, in that offhand comment I basically expressed my opinion on what I see as a more reasonable compromise. And if you say that other people have other opinions, that's also correct.

The main (counter-)point I was making throughout though is that not bowing to religious claims is not the same as infringing on one's freedom of religion. This is a separate point from whether a state can or should accomodate such viewpoints.

722 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:33:46am

re: #717 Alouette

Heh.

723 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:34:31am

re: #718 reine.de.tout

What if you've been dead for 6000 years?

Or they suspect you've died of a virulent and communicable plague?

A friend of mine is Zoroastrian, and has dryly noted there is no legal way to hold Zoroastrian funeral services in the US. Their practice is to put the body in a high place where it can be picked apart by birds. There isn't any way to actually achieve this in the US, as it's got too many problematic parts (i.e. a bird may fly off with just a hand). Similarly, people from backgrounds that do river burials are also disallowed from doing so in the US.

724 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:35:07am

re: #718 reine.de.tout

That's your decision and that's fine and dandy.

My decision for my own remains is different. The government should not be in the business of usurping my decision for my own remains by demanding that my remains be turned over to somebody for study. If they want remains to study, they can donate their own.

1000 or more years down the road?

725 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:36:52am

re: #721 Sergey Romanov

The main (counter-)point I was making throughout though is that not bowing to religious claims is not the same as infringing on one's freedom of religion.

I'd pretty much agree, though I'd say that it shows that a certain amount of infringement upon pure religious liberty is necessary. If a religion holds an illegal drug as a holy sacrament, for example, they may be forbidden from using it, even though it's central to their religious practice. It's hard for me to see that as not infringing (perhaps justly) on freedom of religion.

726 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:37:50am

re: #716 Obdicut

Yeah, I know. I'm looking beyond this case here.

My point is that to me, the reverence for the dead appears mostly religious in nature whether the dead are 6000 years dead, or just an hour.

I fully agree there needs to be a sensible rule. I just think that you're overlooking that almost all of the ways we deal with dead bodies are, already, religious. And the government does make specifically religious accommodation in terms of burial rites, and I don't think anyone really should have a big problem with that.

In the 60's our archaeology department was contracted to do the salvage work on a number of flood control dams being built in E. KY. The project involved moving hundreds of family burial plots and churchyards up to a couple hundred years old, besides any American Indian finds. Put that in the reality that the majority of landowners didn't want the dams built. Fun times.

727 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:38:11am

re: #713 ggt

I'd like to see the bones in the well treated with dignity and respect. I'd also like them available for public viewing/education/shock.

It would be nice if the scientists and the Jewish Community could set up some special area in a museum, that gave religious dignity to the bones as well as provided a somber and sobering atmosphere for the bones to be viewed.

The problem is that putting remains on display in a museum or a research facility or even a shrine is disrespectful to the deceased. Create an exhibit using replicas but do not make a display out of the actual remains.

728 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:38:13am

re: #725 Obdicut

I'd pretty much agree, though I'd say that it shows that a certain amount of infringement upon pure religious liberty is necessary. If a religion holds an illegal drug as a holy sacrament, for example, they may be forbidden from using it, even though it's central to their religious practice. It's hard for me to see that as not infringing (perhaps justly) on freedom of religion.

We don't allow animal or human sacrifice for religious purposes.

There has to be common sense imposed. There are people who would do strange and gruesome things in the name of "religious freedom".

729 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:38:35am

re: #726 Decatur Deb

Yeah, the history of city-building contains tons and tons and tons of disinterring and re-interring of bodies, when they even bothered to do so. Most of the time they just built over it or chucked out the bones.

730 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:39:04am

Or, to put it another way, it's not a conflict between freedom of religion and infringment on such, but rather a conflict between different freedoms of religion. By (allegedly) "desecrating" someone's remains (through a study, archeological digs and so on) a researcher is also working within the confines of freedom of religion - he just has a different religious (or non-religious) perspective on these remains.

731 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:39:50am

re: #727 Alouette

In that case, it seems reasonable to accomodate because there's not much of a benefit from displaying the actual bones.

However, if the study of those bones was useful to understanding Tay-Sachs disease, or something, I think that they should be studied.

732 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:40:10am

re: #729 Obdicut

Or, if you're the Parisians, turn it into a tourist trap that is intriguing and bizarre and macabre all at once.

733 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:41:21am

re: #728 ggt

We don't allow animal or human sacrifice for religious purposes.

There has to be common sense imposed. There are people who would do strange and gruesome things in the name of "religious freedom".

There is also the 501c3 angle.

People will set-up "religions" for tax-purposes.

What qualifies for religion?

734 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:41:37am

re: #729 Obdicut

Yeah, the history of city-building contains tons and tons and tons of disinterring and re-interring of bodies, when they even bothered to do so. Most of the time they just built over it or chucked out the bones.

In 4000 years, Egypt accumulated a staggering volume of mummified remains. (With or without elaborate efforts, just about anything will mummify in that environment.) The early railroads there used 'low-grade' mummies for fuel.

735 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:41:52am

re: #731 Obdicut

In that case, it seems reasonable to accomodate because there's not much of a benefit from displaying the actual bones.

However, if the study of those bones was useful to understanding Tay-Sachs disease, or something, I think that they should be studied.

Aha, here you hit another spot. Should the results of the Nazi and Soviet human experiments be used? I say, if that helps humanity, only the scientific validity of such experiments should matter (that it is dubious at best is a separate issue). But many say that it's unethical.

736 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:42:27am

re: #732 lawhawk

I like the Sedlec Ossuary even more.

Image: sedlec1.jpg

737 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:43:08am

re: #736 Obdicut

I like the Sedlec Ossuary even more.

Image: sedlec1.jpg

That stuff creeps me out.

738 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:43:36am

re: #735 Sergey Romanov

That is one of those medical ethics questions that I just go round and round on. I'd say a lot depends on how likely it is that allowing the research will inspire others to commit similar ethical breaches, and that's hard to ascertain.

739 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:43:43am

re: #735 Sergey Romanov

Aha, here you hit another spot. Should the results of the Nazi and Soviet human experiments be used? I say, if that helps humanity, only the scientific validity of such experiments should matter (that it is dubious at best is a separate issue). But many say that it's unethical.

Unit 731 (Japan). Used after the war by the Americans. Primarily for development of biological and chemical weapons.

740 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:44:48am

re: #736 Obdicut

I like the Sedlec Ossuary even more.

Image: sedlec1.jpg

In Northern Italy, vast numbers of the WWI dead are stored in huge memorial ossuaries. There would hardly be Italy enough for burial.

741 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:45:55am

Vocabulary Word for the Day.

742 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:46:17am

re: #738 Obdicut

That is one of those medical ethics questions that I just go round and round on. I'd say a lot depends on how likely it is that allowing the research will inspire others to commit similar ethical breaches, and that's hard to ascertain.

Allowing the research in what sense? I'm not convinced a case can be made that using the already done research by dead monsters will inspire "normal" people/states to do the same. And the new monsters will do it regardless of any ethical confines.

743 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:46:18am

re: #724 ggt

1000 or more years down the road?

If I have been interred and it is apparent that it's been done according to my own plans or that of my relatives (and for religious reasons or not) then I should be left alone.

If I go out into the woods and die and a 1000 years from now somebody finds my remains and for some reason, there wasn't enough of a written record of life as it is now and they just HAVE to test my remains, then so be it. And then treat the remains of me respectfully - bury me or whatever. Just don't leave me in a jar on a shelf in a lab, or toss me into the trash.

744 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:47:28am

re: #743 reine.de.tout

If I have been interred and it is apparent that it's been done according to my own plans or that of my relatives (and for religious reasons or not) then I should be left alone.

If I go out into the woods and die and a 1000 years from now somebody finds my remains and for some reason, there wasn't enough of a written record of life as it is now and they just HAVE to test my remains, then so be it. And then treat the remains of me respectfully - bury me or whatever. Just don't leave me in a jar on a shelf in a lab, or toss me into the trash.

Really? That would bother you?

Actually, in 1000 I doubt there will be any record of any of us.

745 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:47:38am

re: #739 Gus 802

Unit 731 (Japan). Used after the war by the Americans. Primarily for development of biological and chemical weapons.

I'm talking more about the results of freezing or vacuum experiments in concentration camps, that may (in principle) be used to save lives of soldiers (if it has scientific merit, that is, which was called into question).

746 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:47:53am

re: #739 Gus 802

The US and Soviets both used Nazi-era experiment results in pursuit of their manned space exploration programs. At the same time, both used the tech from the Nazi missile/rocket programs that involved missiles and rockets built by Nazi slave labor, foreign POWs, etc.

At the time, the ends justified the means, including the US Operation Paperclip.

747 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:48:03am

re: #727 Alouette

The problem is that putting remains on display in a museum or a research facility or even a shrine is disrespectful to the deceased. Create an exhibit using replicas but do not make a display out of the actual remains.

I agree with you.
Even if we don't know the religious beliefs of whoever, treat human remains as respectfully as is possible.

748 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:48:31am

Don't forget unclaimed bodies from the mortuary and their subsequent use as cadavers.

749 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:51:02am

re: #748 Gus 802

Don't forget unclaimed bodies from the mortuary and their subsequent use as cadavers.

Sometimes, the cheapest way to go.

In Illinois, you can donate your body to science, but it costs $1800.

Seriously, I don't want my relatives burdened with it. I hope I'm able to leave at least that much.

750 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:51:33am

re: #745 Sergey Romanov

I'm talking more about the results of freezing or vacuum experiments in concentration camps, that may (in principle) be used to save lives of soldiers (if it has scientific merit, that is, which was called into question).

Right. I went for the ethically questionable uses. I.e. chemical and biological weapons. However, some would argue that it was ethical because of the Cold War and the "impending doom of atheistic Soviet world domination!" We justified a lot of things in the name of the cold war.

751 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:51:47am

re: #742 Sergey Romanov

Allowing the research in what sense?

Well, I was thinking of citations to their papers, but I'm not sure they actually published. You'd know better than I.

I'm not convinced a case can be made that using the already done research by dead monsters will inspire "normal" people/states to do the same.

Well; medical ethics have progressed hugely since the Enlightenment. I don't think that it takes a monster to do terrible experiments, just someone who's good at compartmentalization. Leaving men with syphilis intentionally untreated to examine what happens to them is cruel, but we leave people with diseases untreated all the time and call it economics.

I think people take inspiration from the culture that surrounds them, and if we were in a culture where it was no big deal to talk excitedly about the discoveries made by the Nazis, that'd make it more likely for ethical breaches to be allowed. I think the answer is aggressive enforcement of medical ethics, though, rather than disallowing the research.

And the new monsters will do it regardless of any ethical confines.

True. I'm more worried about the Overton window of it, to borrow the political metaphor.

752 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:53:24am

re: #751 Obdicut

Ah yes, Tuskegee...

753 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:53:29am

re: #747 reine.de.tout

Do you think we ought to let my Zorastrian friend do their air burials-- with the subsequent possibility of human remains being scattered by birds?

And should we let those whose religions prefer a river burial shroud their dead and put them into rivers, to make their slow and stately progress to the sea? I've always found river burials to be quite poetic.

754 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:54:01am

re: #748 Gus 802

Don't forget unclaimed bodies from the mortuary and their subsequent use as cadavers.

And some folks actually donate their bodies for that sort of purpose.
But I think when students are finished, the remains should be treated with respect - cremate and inter or bury the ashes, or bury the body, whatever. And this has to do with the mind-set of how we view each other as fellow human beings, rather than any sort if "ick" factor. We respect each other while we're alive (or we're supposed to), and we have processes in place for dealing with our dead to ensure respect.

755 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:54:17am

re: #749 ggt

Sometimes, the cheapest way to go.

In Illinois, you can donate your body to science, but it costs $1800.

Seriously, I don't want my relatives burdened with it. I hope I'm able to leave at least that much.

It's becoming a moot point in this country. The majority of people are having remain cremated due to the outrageously high cost of embalming, burial, plots, headstones, etc. The organs are harvested and then the body is cremated. Then you're faced with land use issues regarding the old fashioned Western method of human cemeteries.

756 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:54:25am

re: #743 reine.de.tout

If I have been interred and it is apparent that it's been done according to my own plans or that of my relatives (and for religious reasons or not) then I should be left alone.

If I go out into the woods and die and a 1000 years from now somebody finds my remains and for some reason, there wasn't enough of a written record of life as it is now and they just HAVE to test my remains, then so be it. And then treat the remains of me respectfully - bury me or whatever. Just don't leave me in a jar on a shelf in a lab, or toss me into the trash.

Interesting. Think of being the person who decides 1000 years from now. What would you do? You would have a cultural inclination to treat the bones by the respected means of your day. Whatever that might be so long from now. But the right thing would be to hew to the wishes of the person or or a millennium of history. Neither might be easy to ascertain.

I can easily imagine some common practices of today being abhorrent to a future culture. Like spreading ashes in the waters. Some post AGW culture with severe laws about how to treat air and water perhaps? Thoughtful stuff.

757 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:54:28am

re: #751 Obdicut

(I believe some results were indeed published in "open" journals during the war, without refs to the camps. Too lazy to look up at the moment.)

758 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:54:30am

re: #673 Sergey Romanov

No, that is true regardless of the legislative power, since we're talking about principles here. Freedom of religion is not infringed by not giving in to religious demands. That the laws - as they are - _may_ take religion into account is another matter.

I disagree. If the power to make the laws lie with the people and not the state it's up to them to decide what religious sensibilities to take into consideration when passing legislation. The state only has the power that the people decide to give it.

759 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:55:41am

People have a differing ideas on the subject.

Experimenting on live people without their knowledgable conscent, IMHO bad.

Bones of bodies so long dead their records have been lost --I don't have a problem with.

I'd rather contribute to society's knowledge or be composte than to be embalmed for all eternity.

My body just not that special.

760 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:55:52am

re: #749 ggt

Sometimes, the cheapest way to go.

In Illinois, you can donate your body to science, but it costs $1800.

Seriously, I don't want my relatives burdened with it. I hope I'm able to leave at least that much.

In Florida, that much would get you a delightful 'Green' burial. I've plugged these guys before:

[Link: www.glendalenaturepreserve.org...]

761 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:56:28am

re: #758 RogueOne

I disagree. If the power to make the laws lie with the people and not the state it's up to them to decide what religious sensibilities to take into consideration when passing legislation. The state only has the power that the people decide to give it.

We're arguing different things. I'm not contesting what you say. I say that not taking those sensibilities into account is also not an infringment on freedom of religion - at least not in the relevant sense (see Obdi's "footnotes" to this above).

762 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:56:54am

re: #754 reine.de.tout


But I think when students are finished, the remains should be treated with respect - cremate and inter or bury the ashes, or bury the body, whatever.

They had a very touching and moving memorial service for the donated cadavers at my wife's medical school last year. Some of the donators had relatives there, others were John and Jane Does.

My wife was also highly disturbed by the cavalier attitudes of some of her fellow students to the cadavers. I think those attitudes-- the cavalier, 'edgy' ones-- are doubly idiotic, because they're still treating the cadaver as 'special', but seem to be saying "Haha, you're dead and I'm not."

763 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:56:55am

re: #755 Gus 802

It's becoming a moot point in this country. The majority of people are having remain cremated due to the outrageously high cost of embalming, burial, plots, headstones, etc. The organs are harvested and then the body is cremated. Then you're faced with land use issues regarding the old fashioned Western method of human cemeteries.

Cremation is more epensive than donation, IIRC, in Illinois.

764 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:57:07am

re: #754 reine.de.tout

And some folks actually donate their bodies for that sort of purpose.
But I think when students are finished, the remains should be treated with respect - cremate and inter or bury the ashes, or bury the body, whatever. And this has to do with the mind-set of how we view each other as fellow human beings, rather than any sort if "ick" factor. We respect each other while we're alive (or we're supposed to), and we have processes in place for dealing with our dead to ensure respect.

Seems to be working fine right now. China on the other hands has some rather odd issues where human remains can basically go to the highest bidder. It's not an issues with me but it is with others. For instance those public displays we've seen in recent years. I don't think I'd be interested in seeing one since I find it rather macabre.

765 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:57:39am

re: #749 ggt

Sometimes, the cheapest way to go.

In Illinois, you can donate your body to science, but it costs $1800.

Seriously, I don't want my relatives burdened with it. I hope I'm able to leave at least that much.

It actually costs you money to donate your corpse? They're doing it wrong.

766 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:57:52am

re: #753 Obdicut

Do you think we ought to let my Zorastrian friend do their air burials-- with the subsequent possibility of human remains being scattered by birds?

And should we let those whose religions prefer a river burial shroud their dead and put them into rivers, to make their slow and stately progress to the sea? I've always found river burials to be quite poetic.

I don't know if there are health issues. Things die in the water all the time and it doesn't taint the water. And birds scavenge dead animals all the time, and I've never had a piece of dead animal fall on my head. I don't have a problem with that, if that's what a group's practice is, but I'm not making the laws.

But I haven't mentioned religion at all. I'm just saying generally - we should treat human remains respectfully; and if we KNOW the religious preferences of the deceased, then deal with the remains in accordance with that religious practice. If we don't know then deal with the remains in some way that is generally acceptable as being respectful.

767 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:58:29am

re: #763 ggt

Cremation is more epensive than donation, IIRC, in Illinois.

Oh. Yeah. I suppose it is. But direct cremation is still the trend. I don't know how many people check off the box in their DLs.

768 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:58:52am

re: #765 RogueOne

It actually costs you money to donate your corpse? They're doing it wrong.

The Funeral Director Cartel has to get their cut, one way or another.

769 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:58:54am

re: #754 reine.de.tout

Personally I'm comfortable with being an organ donor for some victim of disease or misadventure. But not with a donation to say a med school. Then cremate whats left. Turn me back into my original state, as they say dust to dust.

Off to work "see" ya all later.

770 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:59:12am

Weird man. I think I'll have another coffin nail.

771 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:59:21am

I just thought of a plot for a mystery novel (probably already been done several times). Skeletal remains of unknown murder victim found in the woods. Forensic anthropology show the remains as male (or female), caucasian, etc. but don't match any missing persons reports. Turns out the vic was a transexual, their bone structure doesn't change does it? I'm sure this plot point has probably already been used.

772 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:59:29am

re: #766 reine.de.tout

I don't know if there are health issues. Things die in the water all the time and it doesn't taint the water. And birds scavenge dead animals all the time, and I've never had a piece of dead animal fall on my head. I don't have a problem with that, if that's what a group's practice is, but I'm not making the laws.

But I haven't mentioned religion at all. I'm just saying generally - we should treat human remains respectfully; and if we KNOW the religious preferences of the deceased, then deal with the remains in accordance with that religious practice. If we don't know then deal with the remains in some way that is generally acceptable as being respectful.

IIRC, the Ganges in India is a toxic waste dump because of all the human ashes.

773 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:00:21am

re: #768 ggt

The Funeral Director Cartel has to get their cut, one way or another.

Big Mortuary™

//

774 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:00:41am

re: #769 Rightwingconspirator

Personally I'm comfortable with being an organ donor for some victim of disease or misadventure. But not with a donation to say a med school. Then cremate whats left. Turn me back into my original state, as they say dust to dust.

Off to work "see" ya all later.

I have no problem being an organ donor either; but all my donatable usable parts have something wrong with them, so I'm not sure anybody would want them.

775 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:00:44am

re: #771 Alouette

I just thought of a plot for a mystery novel (probably already been done several times). Skeletal remains of unknown murder victim found in the woods. Forensic anthropology show the remains as male (or female), caucasian, etc. but don't match any missing persons reports. Turns out the vic was a transexual, their bone structure doesn't change does it? I'm sure this plot point has probably already been used.

There was a movie with Billy Bob Thornton and oh,I can't remember her name. Set in NOLA.

Really good.

776 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:01:09am

re: #770 Gus 802

What kind of phone do you have Gus? My office is located in an area with free wi-fi but it's too damn slow. The webs are actually faster using a wifi tether with my 3g phone.

777 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:01:20am

re: #766 reine.de.tout

I don't know if there are health issues. Things die in the water all the time and it doesn't taint the water. And birds scavenge dead animals all the time, and I've never had a piece of dead animal fall on my head. I don't have a problem with that, if that's what a group's practice is, but I'm not making the laws.

Nifty. I'd also be fine with my friend being able to have their air burials, especially since they go ahead and do it anyway through sneaky means.


But I haven't mentioned religion at all.

And again, it's not important to me if the reason we say we're doing this is religious or cultural or whatever. It's all just human.

I'm just saying generally - we should treat human remains respectfully; and if we KNOW the religious preferences of the deceased, then deal with the remains in accordance with that religious practice. If we don't know then deal with the remains in some way that is generally acceptable as being respectful.

But it's that 'generally accepted' part that's tricky. That can change over time. I really would love it if our culture changed so that everyone who died knew, and was happy with, the idea that their organs would be taken and used to help others. What better way to die, than to give life?

Do you think it's ever okay to do any archaeological excavations that involve tombs and burial?

778 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:02:04am

re: #776 RogueOne

What kind of phone do you have Gus? My office is located in an area with free wi-fi but it's too damn slow. The webs are actually faster using a wifi tether with my 3g phone.

Right now I'm hooked up to a 4G connection.

779 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:03:08am

re: #778 Gus 802

Right now I'm hooked up to a 4G connection.

Is that how you're getting your net connection?

780 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:03:31am

re: #776 RogueOne

What kind of phone do you have Gus? My office is located in an area with free wi-fi but it's too damn slow. The webs are actually faster using a wifi tether with my 3g phone.

Wifi through the DSL is quicker but I can't get that to work with my machine. I'm still trying. Anyway, that's going to be the least of my worries in about a week since I'm hitting the road again.

781 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:03:56am

re: #780 Gus 802

Wifi through the DSL is quicker but I can't get that to work with my machine. I'm still trying. Anyway, that's going to be the least of my worries in about a week since I'm hitting the road again.

Does it hit back?

782 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:04:04am

re: #780 Gus 802

Where you headed?

783 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:04:21am

re: #779 RogueOne

Is that how you're getting your net connection?

Yep. Using the Sierra Wireless "Shockwave". The other one is a Sierra Wireless "305" but that's a 3G connection.

784 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:04:53am

re: #782 RogueOne

Where you headed?

Denver I guess. Then I have to figure out what to do when I get there.

785 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:04:56am

re: #736 Obdicut

I like the Sedlec Ossuary even more.

Image: sedlec1.jpg

My kind of place!

786 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:07:01am

re: #784 Gus 802

Denver I guess. Then I have to figure out what to do when I get there.

Congrats! (?). My wifes boss just moved out there last week. She's hoping to find a mountain man. I could try to hook a brother up. She's a nice lady, good personality, and most importantly she has a job that gives her free cable/internet.

787 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:08:03am

We had to have a meeting with the Funeral Director to fill-out the paperwork to donate my Dear Ole' Dad's (DOD) body to science. They and only they have the special license necessary to transport a corpse.

They tried to set-up a memorial service and sell us an urn for the remains that will someday be cremated and returned to us. If my DOD knew the scam, he'd have been cursing them.

I told them the "cremains" were already set to be sent to my house and we would put them in a cigar box. (Dad smoked cigars). The whole family that was there laughed and the Funeral Director looked shocked.

Dad chose the science route because he didn't want to spend any more money than necessary.

788 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:09:06am

re: #785 Varek Raith

My kind of place!

Like Image: scrooge-mcduck.jpg but with bones?

789 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:09:40am

re: #788 Sergey Romanov

Like Image: scrooge-mcduck.jpg but with bones?

Image: Necromancer1.jpg

790 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:10:10am

re: #789 Varek Raith

Image: Necromancer1.jpg

I thought that was Orcs.

791 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:10:22am

I live in a society that's basically told me that I can go fuck myself regarding my health...Yet they can take my body after I die and then SELL my organs. Or use my body for PAID research. So basically "fuck you" when you're alive... Then they treat your body like a lump of coal to be used by the capitalist healthcare and research system.

792 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:10:58am

re: #791 Gus 802

Nobody can take your body after you're dead without your permission.

793 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:12:19am

re: #792 Obdicut

Nobody can take your body after you're dead without your permission.

From my cold dead hands........................

794 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:12:33am

re: #793 wozzablog

From my cold dead hands...

Youtube Video
795 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:12:55am

re: #793 wozzablog

From my cold dead hands...

Hey wozza! Good to see you! How's your mom?

796 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:12:57am

re: #792 Obdicut

Nobody can take your body after you're dead without your permission.

That's not the point.

797 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:13:11am

re: #789 Varek Raith

Image: Necromancer1.jpg

[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

Those were some deep tattoos.

798 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:13:13am

re: #791 Gus 802

I live in a society that's basically told me that I can go fuck myself regarding my health...Yet they can take my body after I die and then SELL my organs. Or use my body for PAID research. So basically "fuck you" when you're alive... Then they treat your body like a lump of coal to be used by the capitalist healthcare and research system.

And that is your choice.

Would you rather live somewhere with a Nanny State telling you what to eat, when to eat it, how to exercise and limits your intake of alcohol and stuff.

799 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:14:10am

re: #791 Gus 802

I live in a society that's basically told me that I can go fuck myself regarding my health...Yet they can take my body after I die and then SELL my organs. Or use my body for PAID research. So basically "fuck you" when you're alive... Then they treat your body like a lump of coal to be used by the capitalist healthcare and research system.

We have tremendous respect for the dead and we love the unborn. It's the huddled living masses that we don't give a shit about it./

800 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:14:18am

re: #798 ggt

And that is your choice.

Would you rather live somewhere with a Nanny State telling you what to eat, when to eat it, how to exercise and limits your intake of alcohol and stuff.

That's not the point.

801 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:14:57am

re: #799 iceweasel

We have tremendous respect for the dead and we love the unborn. It's the huddled living masses that we don't give a shit about it./

Yep. Ironically that's a Republican idea.

802 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:15:19am

Looks like a fierce battle is raging around the Qaddafi compound. Richard Engle (NBC) is reporting that it is about 4 miles in total area. He seems to think that the rebels do indeed control about 90% of the city.

But the hotel where many journalist are hold up is very close to the compound; about a mile away. Engle is not in that area, but rather out in the city. I feel for those journalist and sure hope they get out of there OK.

803 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:15:32am

re: #800 Gus 802

That's not the point.

There is no Nanny State of that sort, not even here. It's a product of the overheated wingnut imagination (ggt I'm not calling you a wingnut).

804 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:15:46am

Muammar Gaddafi found! And in a rather unexpected place... ///


[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]

805 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:16:18am

re: #804 ausador

Muammar Gaddafi found! And in a rather unexpected place... ///

[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]

He is so freakin' ugly.

806 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:16:27am

Think outside the coffin box.

807 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:16:35am

re: #795 iceweasel

Hey wozza! Good to see you! How's your mom?


Good to see you too hun x

Much better.
Surgery went well, 10 days on the last chance antibioics cleaned up the resistent infection - and 4+weeks later we have her home and are running a constant string of cups of tea to her.

808 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:16:54am

re: #807 wozzablog

and all for no $ down.

809 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:17:01am

re: #804 ausador

Muammar Gaddafi found! And in a rather unexpected place... ///

[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]

Hiding under a skirt? /

810 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:17:05am

this reminds me of the Family Guy episode:

K9 Cop Caught Smoking Heroin In Marked Police Car
[Link: www.fox13now.com...]


Unified Police say that the alleged crime occurred in a marked Draper Police vehicle in the parking lot of the Sportman’s Warehouse. The incident is believed to have been filmed by the surveillance cameras outside the store.

Unified Police say when investigators arrived, Beglarian, a K9 officer, was on his way to the InTown Suites motel to meet someone. When officers confronted Beglarian, they found drug paraphernalia inside his vehicle.

"We still don't have two and two together yet. We can't figure out why this would take place," says Carpenter. "We have steps and measures in place that we can get officers help before they get to this point. But I don't know how we missed this one."

Draper Police say Beglarian spent five years on the force and handling drugs was a routine part of his K9 duties.

811 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:17:14am

re: #806 Gus 802

Think outside the coffin box.

There is a box?

does it contain chocolates?

812 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:17:57am

re: #807 wozzablog

Good to see you too hun x

Much better.
Surgery went well, 10 days on the last chance antibioics cleaned up the resistent infection - and 4+weeks later we have her home and are running a constant string of cups of tea to her.

Oh I'm so glad to hear that! Yay!

813 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:17:58am

re: #810 RogueOne

this reminds me of the Family Guy episode:

K9 Cop Caught Smoking Heroin In Marked Police Car
[Link: www.fox13now.com...]

And is the dog ok?

814 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18:16am

re: #806 Gus 802

Think outside the coffin box.

My old grandmother has a saying from Socialist Republic of Yorkshire (God's Own County) -


"It's not the cough that carrys you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in."

815 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18:25am

re: #808 wozzablog

and all for no $ down.

But what happens to your FREEEEDOM, you nanny stater!

816 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18:28am

Off to be productive.

Have a great morning all!

817 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:19:02am

re: #813 ggt

And is the dog ok?

He's a little strung out

818 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:20:48am

Via BBC:
1515:

Outside the capital, rebels have been telling AFP that they are pushing towards the oil hub of Ras Lanouf, on the road towards Col Gaddafi's hometown, Sirte. They hope to be in Ras Lanouf by tonight.

Since no one knows where Khadafi's gone, it is possible that he returned to his hometown where he may be able to rely on his connections to sustain the fight for just a while longer (further extending the bloodshed).

That Saif apparently escaped isn't a good sign for the rebels, but his appearance in the dark of night doesn't exactly inspire confidence in what's left of the Khadafi regime either - they can't go out in the open and are on the run.

More here.

819 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:22:05am

re: #810 RogueOne

this reminds me of the Family Guy episode:

K9 Cop Caught Smoking Heroin In Marked Police Car
[Link: www.fox13now.com...]

Well, that's one way to get fired, and a stupid one at that.

Morning all.

820 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:22:08am

Kapow!

821 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:22:41am

re: #815 iceweasel

But what happens to your FREEEDOM, you nanny stater!

The freedom to not be evicted for crippling medical debts is one we enjoy rather a lot.............

;p

822 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:23:46am

re: #818 lawhawk
Saif escaped? I don't think they ever had him, so he didn't have to escape. It was just a little tall tale.

823 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:24:00am

re: #820 Gus 802

Kapow!

Bazinga!

824 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:24:11am

re: #821 wozzablog

The freedom to not be evicted for crippling medical debts is one we enjoy rather a lot...

;p

Medical bills are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the US. It's the price we pay for FREEEEDOM!

;)

825 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:25:12am

re: #818 lawhawk

Via BBC:
1515:

Since no one knows where Khadafi's gone, it is possible that he returned to his hometown where he may be able to rely on his connections to sustain the fight for just a while longer (further extending the bloodshed).

That Saif apparently escaped isn't a good sign for the rebels, but his appearance in the dark of night doesn't exactly inspire confidence in what's left of the Khadafi regime either - they can't go out in the open and are on the run.

More here.

Sirte is going to be the big issue. It's Gaddafi's home town and his tribe may resist fiercely, even though the war is lost. The eastern rebels have taken a long time getting organized and arming up. the problem is that such a fight in Sirte would be get a large number of civilians killed as well.

826 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:25:50am

re: #821 wozzablog

The freedom to not be evicted for crippling medical debts is one we enjoy rather a lot...

;p

...

No one gets themselves into debt unless they ALLOW THEMSELVES to get into debt.

/Bachmann

827 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:26:14am

re: #824 iceweasel

Medical bills are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the US. It's the price we pay for FREEEDOM!

;)

Freedom ain't free you know.............
&
If she wasn't an emergency case she would have gotten her choice of hospital and doctor for the scheduled surgery too........

828 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:27:06am

re: #777 Obdicut

Nifty. I'd also be fine with my friend being able to have their air burials, especially since they go ahead and do it anyway through sneaky means.

And again, it's not important to me if the reason we say we're doing this is religious or cultural or whatever. It's all just human.

But it's that 'generally accepted' part that's tricky. That can change over time. I really would love it if our culture changed so that everyone who died knew, and was happy with, the idea that their organs would be taken and used to help others. What better way to die, than to give life?

Do you think it's ever okay to do any archaeological excavations that involve tombs and burial?

"Generally accepted" isn't tricky. So it changes over time, so what? If the religious preference and practice of the person is known. If not, use whatever is accepted practice at the time and in the place.

Other people's remains are not yours to use as you would prefer (organ donation). It isn't respectful to the memory of that person or more importantly, to the survivors to just take ownership of everybody's remains and use them for whatever purpose YOU (or the government or whoever) prefers. Geez.

Archaeological excavations will uncover tombs, of course they will. All I'm suggesting is that remains that are found be left alone, OR replaced as they were found when the excavation is done. In other words, treated with respect.

829 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:27:14am

re: #821 wozzablog

The freedom to not be evicted for crippling medical debts is one we enjoy rather a lot...

;p

The rugged individualists here in the US, living free of government tyranny who still have the right to pay their liberty-loving bankruptcy lawyers, pity you.

830 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:28:42am

re: #828 reine.de.tout

Should the Egyptian mummies be taken out of museums and buried? Should the remains of our ancient ancestors, like Lucy, be buried?

831 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:28:51am

re: #827 wozzablog

Freedom ain't free you know...
&
If she wasn't an emergency case she would have gotten her choice of hospital and doctor for the scheduled surgery too...

Socialism!

832 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:29:15am

re: #829 Renaissance_Man

The rugged individualists here in the US, living free of government tyranny who still have the right to pay their liberty-loving bankruptcy lawyers, pity you.

Hey, Tort Reform my friend, the freedom to not be allowed to sue the doctor who took the wrong kidney.............

833 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:29:18am

re: #826 Gus 802

...

/Bachmann

Well, Bachmann was a tax lawyer, so many of the debtors she met were weasels. But I very much doubt she thinks deeply about economic problems. Cain does, Romney does, but Bachmann seems to just shout slogans (Perry does have a grasp of economic issues, but not to the same degree as Romney).

834 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:29:47am

re: #787 ggt

We had to have a meeting with the Funeral Director to fill-out the paperwork to donate my Dear Ole' Dad's (DOD) body to science. They and only they have the special license necessary to transport a corpse.

They tried to set-up a memorial service and sell us an urn for the remains that will someday be cremated and returned to us. If my DOD knew the scam, he'd have been cursing them.

I told them the "cremains" were already set to be sent to my house and we would put them in a cigar box. (Dad smoked cigars). The whole family that was there laughed and the Funeral Director looked shocked.

Dad chose the science route because he didn't want to spend any more money than necessary.

Hehehe. My father's ashes were interred in a nice wooden cigar humidor as well since he had smoked earalier in life. Good use for a nice box.

My aunts were not informed of the origin of said box. Most of them were mildly scandalized about my mother having him cremated in any case since they were staunch conservative Roman Catholics*. So we kept them out of the loop on a number of things regarding my father's internment and memorial service.

* - My father's family is solid western PA coal country RC. However, he pretty much was non-practicing once he left home for college. My mother was a practicing UU, but was essentially a secular humanist who like the social opportunities that the church offered. As such religion was pretty much never discussed in our family.

835 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:30:01am

re: #822 Sergey Romanov

That's possible, but the escape story works to everyone's benefit - the rebels can claim they had him, but that he escaped, while Saif can claim that he escaped - boosting his backers/loyalists hopes for a counteroffensive against the rebels that are closing in on them from all sides.

836 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:30:25am

re: #832 wozzablog

Hey, Tort Reform my friend, the freedom to not be allowed to sue the doctor who took the wrong kidney...

How you must hate and envy the freedom bankrupt sick people have here. I can smell the reek of your socialist jealousy from here.

837 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:30:58am

re: #799 iceweasel

We have tremendous respect for the dead and we love the unborn. It's the huddled living masses that we don't give a shit about it./

Once the backhoe was invented the demand for ditch diggers went down.

838 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:31:03am

re: #836 Renaissance_Man

How you must hate and envy the freedom bankrupt sick people have here. I can smell the reek of your socialist jealousy from here.

Oh, to be huddled on a boat entering New York longing for such repressed freedoms...............

839 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:31:08am

re: #835 lawhawk

That's possible, but the escape story works to everyone's benefit - the rebels can claim they had him, but that he escaped, while Saif can claim that he escaped - boosting his backers/loyalists hopes for a counteroffensive against the rebels that are closing in on them from all sides.

Have there been any claims that Saif escaped? Did he himself claim to have escaped? I haven't seen anything like this.

840 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:31:31am

re: #833 Dark_Falcon

Well, Bachmann was a tax lawyer, so many of the debtors she met were weasels. But I very much doubt she thinks deeply about economic problems. Cain does, Romney does, but Bachmann seems to just shout slogans (Perry does have a grasp of economic issues, but not to the same degree as Romney).

Yes. Because everybody is perfect or at least should strive to be perfect. And if they're not perfect well, then they're weasels. Meh.

841 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:31:57am

re: #837 oaktree

Once the backhoe was invented the demand for ditch diggers went down.

I'm trying to read that sensibly, but all i can think is that sounds vaguely dirty.............

842 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:32:46am

re: #840 Gus 802

Yes. Because everybody is perfect or at least should strive to be perfect. And if they're not perfect well, then they're weasels. Meh.

Because the IRS has never screwed up a tax bill.

843 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:33:23am

re: #832 wozzablog

Hey, Tort Reform my friend, the freedom to not be allowed to sue the doctor who took the wrong kidney...

The ability to actually have doctors want to practice in your state. Before Rick Perry's tort reforms, the lawyers were eating Texas doctors alive. Since the laws were changed, Texas has more doctors and lower malpractice premiums. Tort reform doesn't mean you can't sue, but it caps things like punitive damages and prevents some types of class-action suits (which mostly serve to enrich lawyers).

On tort reform, Rick Perry has in fact done a good job.

844 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:33:27am

re: #842 wozzablog

Because the IRS has never screwed up a tax bill.

And people never fell behind. Even with the IRS. Nope. Never.

Lettuce prey. //

845 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:33:33am

re: #840 Gus 802

Yes. Because everybody is perfect or at least should strive to be perfect. And if they're not perfect well, then they're weasels. Meh.

Won't someone speak up for the weasels? / The huddled weasels yearning to breathe free?

846 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:33:57am

re: #833 Dark_Falcon

She may have been a tax lawyer (and there's no one coming forward to talk about her competence in that field), but she's an awful with her history. She can't get basic facts right.

847 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:34:04am

re: #845 iceweasel

Won't someone speak up for the weasels? / The huddled weasels yearning to breathe free?

Uh...
Take a look at your nic???
/
:)

848 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:35:02am

re: #843 Dark_Falcon

The ability to actually have doctors want to practice in your state. Before Rick Perry's tort reforms, the lawyers were eating Texas doctors alive. Since the laws were changed, Texas has more doctors and lower malpractice premiums. Tort reform doesn't mean you can't sue, but it caps things like punitive damages and prevents some types of class-action suits (which mostly serve to enrich lawyers).

On tort reform, Rick Perry has in fact done a good job.

Yeah, seriously, US tort reform desperately needs to happen in more states. It has nothing to do with reducing medical costs, but it does need to happen.

849 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:35:21am

re: #847 Varek Raith

Uh...
Take a look at your nic???
/
:)

I meant someone else!

How are you Varek? Congrats again on your job! When do you start?

850 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:35:39am

re: #845 iceweasel

Won't someone speak up for the weasels? / The huddled weasels yearning to breathe free?

Are they agitating for legislation to establish night time snowmobile accident quotas?

851 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:35:46am

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

And yet:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

There was no doubt about it: Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's second son and heir presumptive, had been captured. Mustafa Abdul Jalil, head of the rebels' National Transitional Council (NTC), declared on Monday that he was "being kept in a secure place under close guard".

"We gave instructions that he is well treated, in order to be judged," he said.

Just a reminder that just because they're against a bad guy doesn't mean they're anywhere near being angels. This lie was stupid and counterproductive.

852 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:36:06am

re: #845 iceweasel

Won't someone speak up for the weasels? / The huddled weasels yearning to breathe free?

(hugs the *ice*weasels)

853 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:36:14am

re: #842 wozzablog

Because the IRS has never screwed up a tax bill.

I heard someone say the annual tax filing is like a math quiz where you go to jail if you screw it up.

854 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:36:31am

re: #832 wozzablog

Hey, Tort Reform my friend, the freedom to not be allowed to sue the doctor who took the wrong kidney...

Or another part:

A truck driver in Kentucky whose penis was amputated during an operation is suing the surgeon, claiming it was done without his consent. Phillip Seaton says his penis was removed during what was supposed to have been a circumcision to treat inflammation four years ago. Dr John Patterson says he amputated because he found life-threatening cancer during the operation.

855 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:36:32am

re: #849 iceweasel

I meant someone else!

How are you Varek? Congrats again on your job! When do you start?

Next week.
:)
It's a nice, family owned book store.

856 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:36:40am

re: #839 Sergey Romanov

This AJ report says that the NTC had reports he was captured, that they were in talks with a handover to the ICC, but escaped. I haven't seen anything reporting that Said himself said he was captured at any point:

Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the ICC prosecutor, had earlier said the 39-year-old had been arrested and was in detention.

But the ICC said on Tuesday that it had never received official confirmation of Saif's capture from the opposition National Transitional Council (NTC).

"Different answers were given. That was a little ambiguous," said ICC official Fadi el-Abdallah.

Waheed Burshan, an NTC member told Al Jazeera: "We had confirmation Saif al-Islam was arrested, but we have no idea how he escaped."

Meanwhile, rebel forces said they had arrested Saadi Gaddafi, the beleaguered Libyan leader's third son. The claim was made even as the location of other relatives and senior officials remained unknown.

857 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:36:59am

re: #842 wozzablog

Because the IRS has never screwed up a tax bill.

I was just considering how her experiences might have shaped her perspective. I do that with all presidential candidates, except Ron Paul (I don't want to know why he's so crazy).

858 The Left  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:37:07am

re: #855 Varek Raith

Next week.
:)
It's a nice, family owned book store.

Sounds great! congrats again!

859 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:37:44am

re: #855 Varek Raith

Next week.
:)
It's a nice, family owned book store.

Sounds like the perfect front for the secret lab developing doomsday weapons and an army of minions.

860 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:37:51am

re: #854 publicityStunted

Or another part:

Yeesh.
I the one hand, I'd be like, thanks you saved me! :)
On the other...
Gee, thanks for saving me...:(
/

861 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:38:03am

Rebels breach western gate into Gaddafi compound, per Richard Engle, MSNBC reporting.

862 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:38:22am

re: #855 Varek Raith

Next week.
:)
It's a nice, family owned book store.

Book store? They still have those?

863 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:38:27am

re: #830 Sergey Romanov

Should the Egyptian mummies be taken out of museums and buried? Should the remains of our ancient ancestors, like Lucy, be buried?

Yes.
Yes.
In my opinion.

864 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:38:36am

re: #859 oaktree

Sounds like the perfect front for the secret lab developing doomsday weapons and an army of minions.

Not to mention handy access to all sorts of devious reference materials.

re: #858 iceweasel

Sounds great! congrats again!

Mornin' {ice}.

865 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:39:08am

re: #845 iceweasel

Won't someone speak up for the weasels? / The huddled weasels yearning to breathe free?

They're only huddled because they hunted out the rabbit warren and winter is on the way. ;)

866 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:39:48am

re: #856 lawhawk

This AJ report says that the NTC had reports he was captured, that they were in talks with a handover to the ICC, but escaped. I haven't seen anything reporting that Said himself said he was captured at any point:

In this piece that he "escaped" was a speculation by people who otherwise were lost for words. It was a story about Muhammed that he escaped (although now it is of course doubtful if they ever had him too), not about Saif. They never had him, that much is clear. Which is why there were no photos of him in captivity in the first place.

867 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:39:53am

re: #851 Sergey Romanov

When all's said and done, Saif may have wished to have been arrested - rather than the other outcomes possible. The rebels are apparently breaching the gate to the Tripoli compound.

868 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:40:36am

re: #863 reine.de.tout

Sorry, crazy talk. (Still heart ya. ;).

869 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:42:10am

re: #862 RogueOne

Book store? They still have those?

Indeed. It's mostly books.
They also have some games and dvds.

870 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:42:32am

re: #843 Dark_Falcon

The ability to actually have doctors want to practice in your state. Before Rick Perry's tort reforms, the lawyers were eating Texas doctors alive. Since the laws were changed, Texas has more doctors and lower malpractice premiums. Tort reform doesn't mean you can't sue, but it caps things like punitive damages and prevents some types of class-action suits (which mostly serve to enrich lawyers).

On tort reform, Rick Perry has in fact done a good job.

The stats are mixed, to say the least.
[Link: threewisemenblog.com...]

Defenders of the Texas law claim it has prompted a massive influx of new doctors into the state, especially in underserved rural areas. But this, too, is false, according to state data. The growth in the number of doctors per capita in Texas has slowed since the liability law took effect. Meanwhile, the number of doctors per capita in underserved rural areas has decreased since 2003.
871 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:44:01am

Lol.
On Rachel Maddow's blog.
Image: imagesizer?file=WillFemiaB3A3DE5E-DE19-ED3A-58D3-AC4A7643170B.jpg

872 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:44:46am

re: #871 Varek Raith

Lol.
On Rachel Maddow's blog.
Image: imagesizer?file=WillFemiaB3A3DE5E-DE19-ED3A-58D3-A C4A7643170B.jpg

Who's on which side?

873 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:45:33am

Looks like FL will be largely spared the effects of Hurricane Irene; the models are pushing her further north and east. Florida will see wind, some rain, and beach erosion, but it will likely be a glancing blow. The same can't be said of South Carolina, which is now looking to be more likely to see the effects of the storm, including a possible landfall.

874 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:45:47am

re: #872 Sergey Romanov

Who's on which side?

Beats me.
Michael Steele is kind of cool, I mean, he ain't no wingnut.
Those two are funny.
:)

875 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:46:28am

re: #874 Varek Raith

Beats me.
Michael Steele is kind of cool, I mean, he ain't no wingnut.
Those two are funny.
:)

He was good value on the daily show the other week - they got to ditch the puppet/

876 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:46:54am

re: #871 Varek Raith

Lol.
On Rachel Maddow's blog.
Image: imagesizer?file=WillFemiaB3A3DE5E-DE19-ED3A-58D3-A C4A7643170B.jpg

Gold blades are Jedi, not Sith. So given that that means a lightsaber duel is about to begin, I'm going to step back. Personally, I'd say Varek has the edge as a higher grade of Sith than she has as a Jedi.

/Stay on Target!

877 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:47:37am

re: #874 Varek Raith

But he was so lame as RNC chairman ;)

878 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:48:32am

re: #877 Sergey Romanov

But he was so lame as RNC chairman ;)

I truly believe he didn't like having to deal with the birther nonsense at the time.

879 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:48:51am

re: #874 Varek Raith

And on that note, where does your nick come from?

880 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:49:05am

Another lawsuit in Fullerton CA:


httCops increasingly under siege after homeless death
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


Mam, 35, was accused of jumping on an officer's back and choking him outside of a bar he and his friends had just left. His criminal attorney, David Borsari, said Mam was actually recording the arrest of his friend on his cell phone when the officer in question knocked the device out of his hand, and wrestled him to the ground where he was arrested.

Another bystander picked up Mam's phone and captured Mam's arrest — footage that proves he never attacked an officer, said Borsari.

The cell phone video was used as evidence by both the prosecution and defense during trial and Mam was acquitted on all counts.

"Once they know that they've been caught, they fall back on, 'It's a mistake,'" Borsari said. "I believe it was a calculated attempt to file a false report to mislead a jury."

Goodrich, the police spokesman, said allegations that the officers in the Mam case perjured themselves were false because they believed when they testified that they had arrested the right person.

881 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:49:17am

re: #878 Varek Raith

I truly believe he didn't like having to deal with the birther nonsense at the time.

hmmm, a conflict in him i sense.........

882 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:50:11am

re: #876 Dark_Falcon

Gold blades are Jedi, not Sith. So given that that means a lightsaber duel is about to begin, I'm going to step back. Personally, I'd say Varek has the edge as a higher grade of Sith than she has as a Jedi.

/Stay on Target!

You are such a nerd//

883 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:51:03am

Laters all.

884 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:53:16am

re: #879 Sergey Romanov

And on that note, where does your nick come from?

An name I made up for a Dungeons and Dragons character about 12 years ago. Been using it since.

885 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:54:07am

re: #884 Varek Raith

An name I made up for a Dungeons and Dragons character about 12 years ago. Been using it since.

Ah. I kind of assumed it was from SW expanded universe or something, with those Sith references ;)

886 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:55:15am

re: #884 Varek Raith

An name I made up for a Dungeons and Dragons character about 12 years ago. Been using it since.

I was raised with the mindset that Dungeons and Dragons was "of the devil". When I settled in at college, my roommate was a MMORPG geek; he introduced me to the wide world of fantasy games and the RPG genre. I was captivated. Unfortunately, the dopefish had already long been established as my handle before then.

887 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:55:27am

re: #885 Sergey Romanov

Ah. I kind of assumed it was from SW expanded universe or something, with those Sith references ;)

Varek Raith has been a Sith Lord, Elven Wizard, Norse demi god...
Lots of things.
:)

888 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:56:15am

re: #887 Varek Raith

Varek Raith has been a Sith Lord, Elven Wizard, Norse demi god...
Lots of things.
:)

Ah yes, modern surgery does wonders :)

889 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:56:56am

re: #886 thedopefishlives

I was raised with the mindset that Dungeons and Dragons was "of the devil". When I settled in at college, my roommate was a MMORPG geek; he introduced me to the wide world of fantasy games and the RPG genre. I was captivated. Unfortunately, the dopefish had already long been established as my handle before then.

Amusingly enough, I'm proud of my nic's uniqueness. It wasn't taken on Yahoo, Xboxlive, hot mail, every forum I've ever signed on to...
/Spayshul snowflake

890 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:58:33am

re: #889 Varek Raith

Amusingly enough, I'm proud of my nic's uniqueness. It wasn't taken on Yahoo, Xboxlive, hot mail, every forum I've ever signed on to...
/Spayshul snowflake

Even Twitter.
Lol.

891 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:59:25am

re: #889 Varek Raith

Gee. I use my real name, and it happens to be far from unique in Russia. In fact, there's someone with the same name in the Russian blogosphere (though spelled a bit differently) who is the opposite on me on most issues (an Russian emigre to USA who is a 9/11 truther, antisemite, denier etc. etc.).

892 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:59:47am

re: #886 thedopefishlives

I was raised with the mindset that Dungeons and Dragons was "of the devil". When I settled in at college, my roommate was a MMORPG geek; he introduced me to the wide world of fantasy games and the RPG genre. I was captivated. Unfortunately, the dopefish had already long been established as my handle before then.

Swim, swim, hungry...

893 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:00:10am

re: #891 Sergey Romanov

Gee. I use my real name, and it happens to be far from unique in Russia. In fact, there's someone with the same name in the Russian blogosphere (though spelled a bit differently) who is the opposite on me on most issues (an Russian emigre to USA who is a 9/11 truther, antisemite, denier etc. etc.).

My real name is rather generic.
Matt.
Boring!
:)

894 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:00:42am

re: #893 Varek Raith

My real name is rather generic.
Matt.
Boring!
:)

Matt you? /

895 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:00:48am

Interesting story on government informants. I wish there was a better way of catching these people. Every time I read about an arrest using an informant I have to wonder if the arrest is legit or not. Remember the Hutaree in michigan? A few have already been released and the others still haven't gone to trial.

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?
[Link: motherjones.com...]

The bureau now maintains a roster of 15,000 spies, some paid as much as $100,000 per case, many of them tasked with infiltrating Muslim communities in the United States.

896 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:00:50am

re: #889 Varek Raith

Amusingly enough, I'm proud of my nic's uniqueness. It wasn't taken on Yahoo, Xboxlive, hot mail, every forum I've ever signed on to...
/Spayshul snowflake

I've never had any problems registering a dopefish-related nickname on any service I've signed up for. It's actually kind of amazed me; I figured that at some point, some nerd out there would've beaten me to it. Alas, though, I am the dopefish, and so it shall be henceforth.

897 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:01:15am

I've been willing to accord Huntsman some respect for the occasions when he has resisted catering to extremism.

My respect has diminished:

Huntsman Says He'd Be Open to Running as Bachmann's VP

WASHINGTON – Republican presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman says he'd be open to running as vice president if rival and tea party favorite Michele Bachmann wins the nomination.

The former Utah governor, who was appointed ambassador to China by President Barack Obama, says that every time he's been asked to serve his country he's answered "yes." He resigned his China ambassadorial post earlier this year.

Huntsman told CNN interviewer Piers Morgan on Monday that if asked by the Minnesota congresswoman to run as her vice president he'd "be the first person to sign up, absolutely."


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

898 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:01:20am

re: #894 Sergey Romanov

Matt you? /

Matt *insert name of major kethup maker here*
:P

899 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:01:56am

re: #898 Varek Raith

Matt *insert name of major kethup maker here*
:P

Matt Theresa Heinz-Kerry? //

900 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:02:01am

re: #895 RogueOne

Interesting story on government informants. I wish there was a better way of catching these people. Every time I read about an arrest using an informant I have to wonder if the arrest is legit or not. Remember the Hutaree in michigan? A few have already been released and the others still haven't gone to trial.

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?
[Link: motherjones.com...]

But! But! The government can never be wrong!

901 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:02:38am

re: #899 Sergey Romanov

Matt Theresa Heinz-Kerry? //

Lol. Just spell it Hines.
Done.
Me.
Matt Hines.
Not very eeevil sounding, yes?

902 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:03:10am

re: #901 Varek Raith

And it's no big deal my name's out there.
OOGABOOGA!

903 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:03:16am

re: #897 Talking Point Detective

Now that's setting the bar real low - being open to the idea of a VP candidate for a presidential candidate who has zero chance of winning in a general election.

904 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:03:34am

re: #901 Varek Raith

Lol. Just spell it Hines.
Done.
Me.
Matt Hines.
Not very eeevil sounding, yes?

Dunno. Ask a Japanese or Chinese person to spell it, then we'll see ;)

905 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:07:18am

re: #903 lawhawk

It's interesting that the Fox article so prominently points out that he was an Obama appointee. I think that it isn't coincidence.

906 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:08:12am

From my warm dead hands...

907 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:08:25am

re: #904 Sergey Romanov

Dunno. Ask a Japanese or Chinese person to spell it, then we'll see ;)

ダンジョンマスター

908 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:09:04am

re: #907 RogueOne

ダンジョンマ� x30B9;ター

Well that didn't translate well

909 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:09:12am

re: #907 RogueOne

Use spaces every 6 chars or so, so LGF doesn't mangle it.

910 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:09:21am

Internet is sssslllloooowwwww....

911 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:11:13am

re: #907 RogueOne

Mattohainzu

912 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:11:55am

re: #910 Varek Raith

Internet is ssslllooowww...

Kick It (tm)

913 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:12:50am

re: #903 lawhawk

Now that's setting the bar real low - being open to the idea of a VP candidate for a presidential candidate who has zero chance of winning in a general election.

Unless Perry ends up with the nomination I think there's a strong possibility that she'll end up as the VP nominee.

914 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:12:54am

re: #911 Sergey Romanov

Mattohainzu

Gesundheit.

915 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:13:34am

re: #914 thedopefishlives

Gesundheit.

Mǎ tè hǎi yīn sī
馬特海因斯

916 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:14:10am

re: #828 reine.de.tout

"Generally accepted" isn't tricky.

Yes, it really is. What is acceptable to one group is extremely unacceptable to another. People from some traditions have an abhorrence to burial below ground, others have an abhorrence to cremation. It's a highly individual thing, and generalization becomes dangerous quickly, if the desire is to accommodate the wishes of the dead or their relatives.


Other people's remains are not yours to use as you would prefer (organ donation). It isn't respectful to the memory of that person or more importantly, to the survivors to just take ownership of everybody's remains and use them for whatever purpose YOU (or the government or whoever) prefers. Geez.

But my point is I'd like to change that attitude, so that people found it respectful to use a person's organs to help others. I would like it if people thought that a fitting end for their remains.

You're making me out to be some sort of grave-robber now, which is a little odd. What I'm saying is that the way we view bodies is a cultural thing, and it can change, and I'd like it to change. I'm not proposing taking anyone's bodies for any purpose. I'm saying it'd be great if people actually saw full donation as a humane and purposeful end to a life.

Archaeological excavations will uncover tombs, of course they will. All I'm suggesting is that remains that are found be left alone, OR replaced as they were found when the excavation is done. In other words, treated with respect.

But aren't the other things included with the burial important? The Sutton Hoo tomb, for example, it was very important to that person that he be buried with all of the stuff that he was buried with. Why does the respect stop at the body, and not those other accouterments?

917 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:17:05am

re: #915 Sergey Romanov

Mǎ tè hǎi yīn sī
馬特海因斯

I like.
Thanks!
:)

918 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:19:26am

re: #903 lawhawk

Now that's setting the bar real low - being open to the idea of a VP candidate for a presidential candidate who has zero chance of winning in a general election.

If Huntsman has any desire to win, he'd have to pick a Tea Party aligned running mate. Anything else would cause too much of the party base to stay home.

919 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:20:37am

Mornin', Lizards.

Bill Kristol is bummed.

It’s a tough time to be a conservative intellectual.

From The Weekly Standard to The Wall Street Journal, on the pages of policy periodicals and opinion sections, the egghead right’s longing for a presidential candidate of ideas — first Mitch Daniels, then Paul Ryan — has been endless, intense and unrequited.

Profoundly dissatisfied with the current field, that dull ache may only grow more acute after Ryan’s decision Monday to take himself out of the running.

The problem, in shorthand: To many conservative elites, Rick Perry is a dope, Michele Bachmann is a joke and Mitt Romney is a fraud.

Isn't Kristol directly responsible for bringing Palin into national politics? Funny how he doesn't mention that.
/

920 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:20:51am

re: #917 Varek Raith

達斯維達
Dá sī wéi dá

921 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:20:59am

Anyone here play The Witcher?
I'm thinking of buying it.

922 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:21:31am

S&P President to Step Down; McGraw-Hill Shows its Regret Over Downgrade

S&P couldn't take back its U.S. debt rating downgrade that rocked global financial markets. Once it was done, it was done. But now we know the agency embroiled in controversy for two weeks since its Aug. 5 downgrade has met with corporate regret, of some sort at least.

President Deven Sharma speaks during an interview at the International Economic Forum of the Americas in Montreal, Quebec in 2010. Sharma is being replaced as president at S&P following controversy over the agency's U.S. debt rating downgrade made two weeks ago.


S&P said late Monday that Deven Sharma, its president since 2007, will step down next month. He will be succeeded on Sept. 12 by Citibank Chief Operating Officer Douglas Peterson.

The change in leadership caps two weeks of controversy surrounding S&P since it cut the U.S. debt rating by one notch, to AA+.

[Link: www.ibtimes.com...]

923 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:21:32am

[Updated 10:48 a.m. ET, 4:48 p.m. in Libya]

Moammar Gadhafi says he's "alive and well in Tripoli and not going to leave Libya," according to an Interfax report quoting the head of the World Chess Federation.

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov told the Russian news agency on Tuesday he had a telephone conversation with Gadhafi and his son Mohammed.

The information could not be independently confirmed.


He's running for his life and he calls the World Chess Federation? What a nut.

924 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:21:56am

re: #918 Dark_Falcon

If Huntsman has any desire to win, he'd have to pick a Tea Party aligned running mate. Anything else would cause too much of the party base to stay home.

That's the first time I've seen you acknowledge that the Republican party base is Teahadi. Good for you.

925 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:22:27am

re: #923 Killgore Trout

[Updated 10:48 a.m. ET, 4:48 p.m. in Libya]


He's running for his life and he calls the World Chess Federation? What a nut.

Lol.

926 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:23:24am

re: #921 Varek Raith

Anyone here play The Witcher?
I'm thinking of buying it.

I watched some of the playthroughs. Looked ok but some complaints of the combat being buggy. Didn't look interesting enough to entice me but I'm starting to think my gaming days are over. Developers just aren't making games that interest me anymore.

927 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:23:53am

re: #923 Killgore Trout

[Updated 10:48 a.m. ET, 4:48 p.m. in Libya]


He's running for his life and he calls the World Chess Federation? What a nut.

But you don't understand! He's a true Renaissance tyrant! //

928 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:24:11am

re: #923 Killgore Trout

[Updated 10:48 a.m. ET, 4:48 p.m. in Libya]


He's running for his life and he calls the World Chess Federation? What a nut.

That apple landed right next to the tree.

929 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:25:00am

re: #923 Killgore Trout

[Updated 10:48 a.m. ET, 4:48 p.m. in Libya]


He's running for his life and he calls the World Chess Federation? What a nut.

Libyan rebels should probably watch out for a sharp Lasker-Bauer combination in the next few days.

930 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:25:44am

re: #921 Varek Raith

Anyone here play The Witcher?
I'm thinking of buying it.

Ever read the books?

931 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:26:21am

re: #923 Killgore Trout

It's the French defense gambit. /

932 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:26:27am

re: #930 Sergey Romanov

Ever read the books?

Nope.
I'll check the library for them.
They good?

933 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:28:14am

re: #932 Varek Raith

Nope.
I'll check the library for them.
They good?

Never read them either, so was doubtful about whether to play, since the story is continuation of the books. I heard lots of good things about the books, so may read them in the future, and about the game itself (the game world etc.).

934 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:32:54am

re: #931 lawhawk

It's the French defense gambit. /

No, that consists of a line of defense with a big gap in the center because you consider the forests there 'impenetrable'.

3 updings to whoever figures this one out.

935 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:33:35am

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

No, that consists of a line of defense with a big gap in the center because you consider the forests there 'impenetrable'.

3 updings to whoever figures this one out.

The Maginot Line would like a word with you, sir.

936 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:34:25am

re: #923 Killgore Trout

[Updated 10:48 a.m. ET, 4:48 p.m. in Libya]


He's running for his life and he calls the World Chess Federation? What a nut.

Here's some info on Kirsan Ilyumzhinov:

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov: 'Chess came to Earth from outer space'

He runs a region of Russia, wants to be king of world chess and he believes in aliens. Shaun Walker meets him

Also, at Wikipedia:

On 12 June 2011, Ilyumzhinov appeared in public with embattled Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi after playing a game of chess with him in Tripoli.[12]
937 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:34:38am

Police Say Man Intended to Launch Fireworks From His Jeep on the National Mall
[Link: www.myfoxdc.com...]


The arrested was made Monday night around 8:30 p.m. at the Cabin John Regional Park in Bethesda, Md. The driver was identified as 27-year-old Glenn Neff of Stuart, Florida.

An officer spotted a red jeep Cherokee stopped in an isolated area of the park after it was closed.

The officer made contact with the driver and found the vehicle to be loaded with fireworks. The Jeep had also been fitted with a turret and multiple PVC tubes from which fireworks could be shot out of.

Police say Neff told them he planned to ignite the fireworks on the National Mall to draw attention to himself and issues he had with the banking industry.

Officers also say they located drug paraphernalia and alcohol in his vehicle.

938 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:34:48am

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

You're confusing the French gambit with the Maginot Line defense.

Khadafi is pursuing the Endor gambit. Suck the rebels in to the planet, and then nuke it from orbit (LoIC). And much like the Empire, Khadafi will fail.

939 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:36:00am

re: #935 thedopefishlives

The Maginot Line would like a word with you, sir.

You win!

940 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:36:51am

re: #939 Dark_Falcon

You win!

Good luck giving me my 3 updings, though. I should file a lawsuit for false advertising./

941 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:38:29am

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

No, that consists of a line of defense with a big gap in the center because you consider the forests there 'impenetrable'.

3 updings to whoever figures this one out.

Ardennes

942 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:38:53am

re: #936 wrenchwench

Oh, KI is a very colorful figure - but not the Kucinich head-in-the-sky sort, despite some similarity. Very savvy millionaire.

943 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:39:11am

The latest from Al Jazeera

13 minutes ago

Reuters is reporting that Libyan opposition forces poured into Muammar Gaddafi's compound in Tripoli on Tuesday and were seen firing in the air in celebration, reporters on the scene said.

Pro-Gaddafi forces initially tried to defend the compound but their resistance later ended, the reporters said.


9 minutes ago

The European Union's foreign policy chief says the 27-nation bloc is preparing to unfreeze Libyan assets quickly once the United Nations gives its approval.

Catherine Ashton said Tuesday that Libya's transitional administration will need funds to make sure public sector workers are paid, stores have sufficient supplies and the economy can be developed again.

Ashton says that Libyan rebels currently control about 80 per cent of Tripoli.

She adds that EU nations were also looking to provide aid, medical supplies and fuel needed in the capital.

She says that she will travel to New York Friday to discuss the strategy on Libya with officials from the Arab League, the African Union and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation under the auspices of the UN. - Associated Press

944 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:39:53am

re: #941 Decatur Deb

Ardennes

Speaking of a place full of the unburied dead.

945 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:41:30am

re: #942 Sergey Romanov

Oh, KI is a very colorful figure - but not the Kucinich head-in-the-sky sort, despite some similarity. Very savvy millionaire.

Colorful is right!

On the driving force of his life
In this life we live for a very short time, between 60 to 80 years. I want to use this time which has been given to us by God or from space to achieve great things. I am a Buddhist and according to our belief, we have 108 lives. This is my 69th life. I visited Tibet and the Dalai Lama has identified all my previous lives. Some in Africa, some as a woman, maybe one time in Malta. Maybe in future life I will be a chess player!

And his own comic strip...

946 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:41:46am

re: #936 wrenchwench

Details of their stay in space Ilyumzhinov shared with the journalists of Radio Moscow's "Freedom" July 22, 2001.

"They took me right out of the apartment. The aliens were in the yellow suits. I remember, went on a spaceship, and I began to choke. Then I also gave the suit. I have not had time to think that air is not enough, and the alien is already showing on his chest: a little here twirled, adjust the supply of oxygen. Adjusted. And most interestingly, I do not seem to notice. I never understood why they took me. Especially on a spaceship not taken. I remember, the ship was huge, one of the cabins - as a large football field, around windows. We went down on one of the planets, they took some equipment. I remember that he asked as soon as possible to get me back to earth (after two days I had to spend a week of youth self-government in Kalmykia). Several times to him with this request. Then I was still taken back and then everything went fine.

It was evening, my physical body disappeared for a while and then came again. But the two assistant noticed my absence. Asked where I was lost for so long? After that I went a few days and thought: what I took away? And cursed himself for not having asked them no questions asked ... But maybe not yet time for a meeting with extraterrestrial civilizations. By the way, in my book, I answer the question whether we need to meet now, and I think that is not necessary. Morally, we have not gotten to the point where we can meet with visitors from other civilizations. "

947 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:44:11am

re: #47 jamesfirecat

Nobody tosses a dwarf!

Charles Barkley (after tossing a dwarf through a plate glass window) said the only thing he regretted was that it didn't take place on the second floor of the building.

948 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:47:22am

Good.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
WASHINGTON — Every year, more than 75,000 eyewitnesses identify suspects in criminal investigations. Those identifications are wrong about a third of the time, a pile of studies suggest.
Related
Articles by Columnist Adam Liptak


Mistaken identifications lead to wrongful convictions. Of the first 250 DNA exonerations, 190 involved eyewitnesses who were wrong, as documented in “Convicting the Innocent,” a recent book by Brandon L. Garrett, a law professor at the University of Virginia.

Many of those witnesses were as certain as they were wrong. “There is absolutely no question in my mind,” said one. Another was “120 percent” sure. A third said, “That is one face I will never forget.” A fourth allowed for a glimmer of doubt: “This is the man, or it is his twin brother.”

In November, the Supreme Court will return to the question of what the Constitution has to say about the use of eyewitness evidence. The last time the court took a hard look at the question was in 1977. Since then, the scientific understanding of human memory has been transformed.

949 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:48:10am

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

No, that consists of a line of defense with a big gap in the center because you consider the forests there 'impenetrable'.

3 updings to whoever figures this one out.

Ah The Ardennes-Meuse Gambit...

950 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:49:24am

re: #941 Decatur Deb

Ardennes

And vulnerable to the Manstein Blitz.

951 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:49:58am

re: #940 thedopefishlives

Good luck giving me my 3 updings, though. I should file a lawsuit for false advertising./

One more post and you've got it.

Everyone who got this right got an upding. Dopefish got that plus his next two posts.

952 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:50:04am

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

No, that consists of a line of defense with a big gap in the center because you consider the forests there 'impenetrable'.

3 updings to whoever figures this one out.

The funny thing about the French defenses is, it actually worked exactly the way they intended. The German Army had a terrible time moving through the Ardennes, and the French intelligence services reported massive traffic jams that should've alerted French high command to the German intentions. The French just chose to look the other way and focus on the attack coming through Belgium, and trust that the defenses they had on the Meuse would hold.

953 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:54:26am

re: #952 thedopefishlives

The funny thing about the French defenses is, it actually worked exactly the way they intended. The German Army had a terrible time moving through the Ardennes, and the French intelligence services reported massive traffic jams that should've alerted French high command to the German intentions. The French just chose to look the other way and focus on the attack coming through Belgium, and trust that the defenses they had on the Meuse would hold.

Well, if you're looking for an eventual replay of WW1 then after the initial holding on the Meuse won't the lack of transportation infrastructure through the Ardennes essentially prevent enough of a German buildup for further operations without giving the French plenty of time to respond using their superior network?

954 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:57:12am

Syrian opposition has formed a National Council, apparently taking the Libyan example to heart.

955 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:57:20am

re: #953 oaktree

Well, if you're looking for an eventual replay of WW1 then after the initial holding on the Meuse won't the lack of transportation infrastructure through the Ardennes essentially prevent enough of a German buildup for further operations without giving the French plenty of time to respond using their superior network?

It would've worked fine, if the line on the Meuse had held. Unfortunately, the Luftwaffe bombed them into submission before a single German soldier forced the crossing.

956 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:58:40am

re: #950 oaktree

And vulnerable to the Manstein Blitz.

The 'Sickle Cut'. One the truly great strategic plans in history. Use Army Group B to draw the Allies into Belgium, then use Army Group A in an armor-lead assault through the Ardennes and across the Meuse. The French didn't see what was happening until their forces were already committed.

They did send their three DCR (heavy-type armored divisions) to counterattack but those divisions were insufficiently trained and seriously flawed organizationally. The DCR had no organic reconnaissance force and only 1 battalion of mobile infantry. By contrast, Panzer divisions had an integral reconnaissance battalion and at least 3 battalions of mobile infantry.

957 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:00:35am

Looks like Khadafi's Tripoli compound has been overrun, and rebels are displaying documents from within the compound.

BBC:
1645:

Rebels have hoisted their flag over Col Gaddafi's home in the Bab al-Aziziya compound, rebel TV reports.

Andy Carvin
tweets: Even if opposition gets into compound and Gaddafi is there, there's a huge network of tunnels under the city. Could become cat and mouse.

958 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:01:04am

re: #944 Obdicut

Speaking of a place full of the unburied dead.

I think you'd find this book fascinating:

No Bone Unturned: Inside the World of a Top Forensic Scientist and His Work on America's Most Notorious Crimes and Disasters

Product Description

A curator for the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, Doug Owsley painstakingly rebuilds skeletons, helping to identify them and determine their cause of death. He has worked on several notorious cases -- from mass graves uncovered in Croatia to the terrorist attacks on the Pentagon -- and has examined historic skeletons tens of thousands of years old. But the discovery of Kennewick Man, a 9,600-year-old human skeleton found along the banks of Washington's Columbia River, was a find that would turn Owsley's life upside down.

Days before Owsley was scheduled to study the skeleton, the government seized it to bury Kennewick Man's bones on the land of the Native American tribes who claimed him. Along with other leading scientists, Owsley sued the U.S. government over custody. Concerned that knowledge about our past and our history would be lost forever if the bones were reburied, Owsley fought a legal and political battle for six years, putting everything at risk, jeopardizing his career and his reputation.

I think Reine would like it too, although Owsley's way of showing respect may not be the same as hers.

959 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:01:39am

re: #957 lawhawk

Good. Hope all the documents will be safe for trials and history.

960 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:02:24am

re: #894 Sergey Romanov

Matt you? /

What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs when he is in front of your door?

961 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:02:47am

re: #958 wrenchwench

What I think about the douches who "claimed" the bones is better left unsaid in this family thread. /

962 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:04:23am

re: #961 Sergey Romanov

What I think about the douches who "claimed" the bones is better left unsaid in this family thread. /

It's another case of religion versus science, but the religion was sooo misplaced.

963 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:04:25am

re: #960 ggt

Door Matt?

964 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:06:09am

What's the deal with the Boeing Plant in Florida?

965 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:06:23am

re: #956 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention the nice advantage the Germans got from having air superiority to allow the Stukas to roam at will. Which helped create a refugee problem that clogged the French roads and slowed their military movements even more.

The Germans had gotten a nice grasp on combined arms operation with the Panzer division concept. Arguably they had inferior tanks to the French, but the Germans had theirs better organized and designed for better use of communications gear and coordinated mass assaults.

(And the Allies got to regret selling out Czechoslovakia since the Germans filled out a number of formations with the Czech Pz-35t and Pz-38t designs.)

966 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:07:09am

re: #963 Sergey Romanov

Door Matt?

Just Matt.

What do you call him when he is in your pool?

967 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:07:35am

Aw, I have to go again and accomplish something.

Have a great Day all!

968 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:09:19am

re: #966 ggt

Just Matt.

What do you call him when he is in your pool?

Bob

969 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:09:21am

Judge has dismissed the rape charges against DSK, after prosecutors acknowledged credibility issues with the alleged victim.

970 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:10:11am

re: #966 ggt

Just Matt.

What do you call him when he is in your pool?

re: #968 oaktree

Bob

*WHACK!*

971 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:13:29am

re: #969 lawhawk

Judge has dismissed the rape charges against DSK, after prosecutors acknowledged credibility issues with the alleged victim.

It's not that I feel all that much sympathy for DSK - he is a millionaire who will spend the rest of his life in luxury. But it sucks that careers can be ended in such an irresponsible way.

972 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:22:18am

Gaddafi compound has been captured! “Totally in the hands of Revolutionaries”

Allahu Akbar!

Viva la Revolución!

973 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:23:09am

re: #972 Gus 802

Gaddafi compound has been captured! “Totally in the hands of Revolutionaries”

Allahu Akbar!

Viva la Revolución!

Stalker headline:

GUS IS A COMMIE MOOSLIM NOW!!!1

974 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:23:51am

re: #973 Sergey Romanov

Stalker headline:

Viva Che Guevara!

Long live Juan Peron!

//Derp

975 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:24:55am

re: #974 Gus 802

Viva Che Guevara!

Long live Juan Peron!

//Derp

Free Mumia! (with purchase of a regular drink)

/

976 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:25:24am

re: #975 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Autoding for Free Mumia jokes :)

977 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:26:19am

OK, I gotta chain myself to the repair stand today. As a parting shot, I think this should rotate:

There are three separate facts here which have to be kept separate
978 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:26:46am

re: #975 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Free Mumia! (with purchase of a regular drink)

/

Wow, it's been a while since I've heard that one.

979 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:28:04am

re: #965 oaktree

Not to mention the nice advantage the Germans got from having air superiority to allow the Stukas to roam at will. Which helped create a refugee problem that clogged the French roads and slowed their military movements even more.

The Germans had gotten a nice grasp on combined arms operation with the Panzer division concept. Arguably they had inferior tanks to the French, but the Germans had theirs better organized and designed for better use of communications gear and coordinated mass assaults.

(And the Allies got to regret selling out Czechoslovakia since the Germans filled out a number of formations with the Czech Pz-35t and Pz-38t designs.)

An Osprey book I read recently revealed one further useful point:

German tanks could run on ordinary gasoline, which allowed the panzers to commandeer civilian fuel supplies to continue the advance. The French Char B1bis needed higher octane aviation gas that was only to be found in its unit supply trains (which were not nearly as well organized as those of the Germans). So they had to wait for their supply vehicles at times while the Germans were able to press ahead. This also meant the French tanks would be in dire straights if their supply forces were overrun, as did happen to the 2nd DCR. To be fair, the Panzer divisions had had the same sorts of supply chain problems at first. But after the occupations of Austria and the Sudetenland, followed by the assault on Poland, the Panzer divisions had had their organizational problems documented and rectified. The Meuse counterattack was the first operational deployment for the DCRs and their organizational inexperience helped lose them the battle.

980 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:28:10am

Freema Mia!

981 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:29:01am

re: #971 Sergey Romanov

Something happened in that hotel room, but prosecutors found that they couldn't prove the rape charges. The accuser is still free to pursue matters in civil court. And DSK faces other similar cases in France.

Guy appears to be a slimeball who has left a trail of these kinds of situations.

982 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:29:31am

re: #978 thedopefishlives

Free Mumia crowd drives me mad. Unlike, say, the Megrahi case discussed yesterday, the case against Mumia is pretty much iron-clad - not one but many witnesses, the murder weapon in his hands, no alternative theory of murder that stands up to minimal scrutiny etc.

983 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:32:54am

re: #974 Gus 802

Viva Che Guevara!

Long live Juan Peron!

//Derp

Gus Checklist for 8/23/2011:

Make witty banter: Done

Poke Stalkers with sharp stick: done

984 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:35:18am

re: #980 BigPapa

Freema Mia!

Farrow?

985 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:37:12am

So, I just read that the XCOM franchise is getting rebooted, this time as a FPS. Considering the successful transition of the Fallout series to the FPS platform, I will keep my hopes up for XCOM.

986 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:37:15am

Here's a great FAQ page which I enjoyed reading a year or two ago (in addition to the original judgment, appeal judgments, witnesses statements etc.):

[Link: danielfaulkner.com...]

987 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:37:28am

re: #984 Gus 802

Farrow?

Mama.

988 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:37:51am

re: #982 Sergey Romanov

Free Mumia crowd drives me mad. Unlike, say, the Megrahi case discussed yesterday, the case against Mumia is pretty much iron-clad - not one but many witnesses, the murder weapon in his hands, no alternative theory of murder that stands up to minimal scrutiny etc.

It rests on anti-police hostility, and Mumia being seen as a 'noble activist'. Some people don't want to believe that abu Jamal has proven to be a scumbag, they wanted him to be more than that. So they refuse to accept the evidence.

989 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:38:19am

re: #982 Sergey Romanov

Free Mumia crowd drives me mad. Unlike, say, the Megrahi case discussed yesterday, the case against Mumia is pretty much iron-clad - not one but many witnesses, the murder weapon in his hands, no alternative theory of murder that stands up to minimal scrutiny etc.

Speaking of Megrahi, John Bolton was on Fox last night saying that the US should demand custody of him as well as Muammar Gaddafi. Greta von whatever, kept alluding to the fact that something was wrong from the beginning and the US should have never allowed the release of Megrahi to take place.

Really, we were to interfere with Scotland? What did she think we could have done about it?

I am just as angry about the whole Megrahi situation as anybody, but I dont think we should start making "demands" to send Gaddafi and Megrahi here.

It is up to Libya to decide what to do with them.

990 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:39:00am

re: #987 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mama.

Here I go again...

991 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:39:05am

Obama proposes $10 billion in savings, GOP not interested.....
White House unveils plans to trim regs, save at least $10 billion

The Obama administration on Tuesday announced plans to streamline hundreds of regulations across all government departments and said that the review will “likely” save at least $10 billion over five years.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), however, called the effort "underwhelming."

992 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:39:31am

re: #988 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, people don't want to look at the substance of the case. It is true that a court verdict is not some sort of an absolute proof, but read the primary evidence then.

993 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:40:02am

re: #980 BigPapa

Freema Mia!

I think Marcellus might have something to say about that, but I hear that Tony Rocky Horror isn't talking.

994 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:40:08am

re: #985 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, I just read that the XCOM franchise is getting rebooted, this time as a FPS. Considering the successful transition of the Fallout series to the FPS platform, I will keep my hopes up for XCOM.

Yeah, great. Let's trim video games down to just four or five different genres. :-/

995 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:40:45am

re: #990 Gus 802

Here I go again...

On your own? Going down the only road you've ever known?

996 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:41:34am

re: #989 blueraven

I made my opinion clear in the previous threads - Megrahi's guilt was not proven beyond the reasonable doubt. So leave him alone, or retry him on good evidence, not the bullshit that was supplied for the original trial. (Yeah, I know, double jeopardy, blah blah).

997 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:41:45am

re: #991 Killgore Trout

Obama proposes $10 billion in savings, GOP not interested...
White House unveils plans to trim regs, save at least $10 billion

But defunding NPR, PP, and PBS; well now, that's real savings!! /

998 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:42:02am

re: #995 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On your own? Going down the only road you've ever known?

Mamma mia, here I go again
My my, how can I resist you
Mamma mia, does it show again
My my, just how much I've missed you

999 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:42:07am

re: #985 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, I just read that the XCOM franchise is getting rebooted, this time as a FPS. Considering the successful transition of the Fallout series to the FPS platform, I will keep my hopes up for XCOM.

Yeah, here's the gameplay trailer from E3. Much like when FO3 was previewed, I'm already hearing a lot of long-time XCOM fans dissolving into screaming fits.

Youtube Video
1000 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:42:24am

Che...

Image: libya-rpg_1875380i.jpg

1001 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:42:26am

re: #994 JasonA

Yeah, great. Let's trim video games down to just four or five different genres. :-/

From what I was reading, they look like their keeping the base and research options, but instead of a top down turned base combat system, you'll be able to control your field agents in a FPS style.

1002 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:43:03am

re: #991 Killgore Trout

Obama proposes $10 billion in savings, GOP not interested...
White House unveils plans to trim regs, save at least $10 billion

Savings money? Check.
Tackling "over-regulation"? Check.

GOP being asshats? Check.

1003 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:43:41am

re: #999 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, here's the gameplay trailer from E3. Much like when FO3 was previewed, I'm already hearing a lot of long-time XCOM fans dissolving into screaming fits.

[Video]

I raised hell when I heard FO was going FPS, but its turned out great. I'll wait and hope XCOM does the same.

1004 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:43:50am

re: #1002 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Savings money? Check.
Tackling "over-regulation"? Check.

GOP being asshats? Check.

Democrats keeping this Obama offer a secret? -- Check

1005 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:44:53am

re: #998 Gus 802

Mamma mia, here I go again
My my, how can I resist you
Mamma mia, does it show again
My my, just how much I've missed you

You fell into my trap. You apparently quoted an Abba song. Relinquish your man card.

1006 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:45:38am

re: #1005 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You fell into my trap. You apparently quoted an Abba song. Relinquish your man card.

[Runs away crying.]

1007 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:45:42am

re: #1000 Gus 802

Che...

Image: libya-rpg_1875380i.jpg

Old-type RPG warhead on his launcher. Looks like a ZPU-2 with two KPV 14.5mm MGs on the back of that truck. Just the thing to deal with someone tailgating you.

1008 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:46:43am

re: #1007 Dark_Falcon

Old-type RPG warhead on his launcher. Looks like a ZPU-2 with two KPV 14.5mm MGs on the back of that truck. Just the thing to deal with someone tailgating you.

Apparently they call him "Che." He's a Libyan "rebel".

1009 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:47:36am

re: #1008 Gus 802

Apparently they call him "Che." He's a Libyan "rebel".

Bzzt.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

1010 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:47:57am

re: #1006 Gus 802

[Runs away crying.]

THE DAY IS MINE!

1011 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:48:02am

re: #1004 Gus 802

Democrats keeping this Obama offer a secret? -- Check

Yeah, let's see. In the past couple weeks, Obama has put forth:

- A proposal for a jobs bill
- An extension of tax cuts that affect the poor and working class
- A plan to streamline regulations that will save money

In all three cases, the GOP's turned up their noses and whined. He keeps this up, the campaign commercials will write themselves.

1012 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:48:24am

hamsters are a huffin and a puffin

1013 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:48:38am

re: #996 Sergey Romanov

I made my opinion clear in the previous threads - Megrahi's guilt was not proven beyond the reasonable doubt. So leave him alone, or retry him on good evidence, not the bullshit that was supplied for the original trial. (Yeah, I know, double jeopardy, blah blah).

Unless new evidence surfaces, so that new charges can be filed, I dont see how the double jeopardy issue can be avoided, by US law standards anyway.

I would like to see him questioned and get to the bottom of this, but to "demand" he and Gaddafi be sent here is stupid. But consider the source. Bolton is not a diplomat in any sense of the word.

1014 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:49:14am

re: #1011 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, let's see. In the past couple weeks, Obama has put forth:

- A proposal for a jobs bill
- An extension of tax cuts that affect the poor and working class
- A plan to streamline regulations that will save money

In all three cases, the GOP's turned up their noses and whined. He keeps this up, the campaign commercials will write themselves.

I know. But the point I'm making of course is that the Democrats need to do a better job publicizing this. Right now the Republicans seem to have the upper hand. They need to get those two old farts Pelosi and Reid to talk louder and more often.

1015 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:50:15am

re: #1003 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I raised hell when I heard FO was going FPS, but its turned out great. I'll wait and hope XCOM does the same.

I think that, if it blows away players like FO3 really did, it'll be seen in much the same light. If it falls flat, then it'll be treated like the demon spawn it's being accused of being right now.

1017 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:52:46am

re: #1015 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think that, if it blows away players like FO3 really did, it'll be seen in much the same light. If it falls flat, then it'll be treated like the demon spawn it's being accused of being right now.

Well, its being done by the Bioshock guys, so they've got a good track record so far.

1018 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:53:07am

re: #1005 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You fell into my trap. You apparently quoted an Abba song. Relinquish your man card.

Youtube Video
1019 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:54:11am

re: #1018 Dark_Falcon

[Video]

Et tu, Dark?

1020 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:55:06am

Che...

Image: tumblr_lk8v6gCSSu1qiwwtmo1_500.jpg

Another one!

1021 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:55:31am

re: #791 Gus 802

I live in a society that's basically told me that I can go fuck myself regarding my health...Yet they can take my body after I die and then SELL my organs. Or use my body for PAID research. So basically "fuck you" when you're alive... Then they treat your body like a lump of coal to be used by the capitalist healthcare and research system.

I know what you mean. Because of things like the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment, and eugenics boards b.s. like North Carolina's forced sterilization program, both of which lasted into the 70s, we have something of a jaundiced view of being taken apart in the name of "science".

BTDT, I'll pass thx.

1022 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:56:04am

re: #1009 Gus 802

Bzzt.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

So wait, does this mean my Che shirt, then tell folks "No, it's cool, he's actually a Libyan rebel!"?

/

1023 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:56:17am

re: #982 Sergey Romanov

Free Mumia crowd drives me mad. Unlike, say, the Megrahi case discussed yesterday, the case against Mumia is pretty much iron-clad - not one but many witnesses, the murder weapon in his hands, no alternative theory of murder that stands up to minimal scrutiny etc.

The Mumia people make the anti-death-penalty activists of my acquaintance nuts. They hog the media, and apparently don't care much if anyone who's not their guy get executed.

1024 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:56:27am

This is sure to get the dander up with the usual suspects (Hiya Pam; Robert!):

The discrimination bill (Intro 632-A) introduced by Councilmember Mark Weprin essentially requires that public and private employers in New York City go to greater lengths to accommodate the religious practices of their employees. This cover such things as allowing workers to wear attire required by their religions, such as turbans for Sikhs, letting them pray at work and allowing them time off for religious practices.

Currently businesses, government and other employers can avoid allowing such religious practices if it would constitute a hardship. The intro raises the bar to require that the employer be able to prove that accommodating the employee would constitute "an undue hardship."

This, said City Councilmember Deborah Rose, chair of the civil rights committee, represents "a significant expansion of the definition."

"We have to make sure the standards we are instituting are the strongest in the nation," Weprin said, adding that the bill, if signed into law by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, would give New Yorker tougher protections than those called for in federal law.

Mind you that this bill is going to help all religious groups, but expect them to make hay out of the proposal that would improve religious accommodations for all religious groups.

1025 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:56:46am

re: #988 Dark_Falcon

It rests on anti-police hostility,

The same can be said for the Fry Mumia crowd, who accepts whatever police tell them and are itching for another state-sponsored death.

1026 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:58:10am

re: #1013 blueraven

He was questioned for years, I don't see what more questioning can achieve. He never admitted guilt. The whole case is built upon Tony Gauci's uncertain identification (it was flawed, since Gauci saw Megrahi's photo identified as a suspect several days before the official identification; it was uncertain since Gauci both didn't claim that Megrahi was _the_ man who purchased the clothes, only someone very like him in appearance; and at least at one time early on he identified another man - Palestinian terrorist Abu Talb (who once had been a primary suspect in this bombing case and who until recently was serving prison sentence for other bombings) as the man who purchased the clothes), and not only Gauci was paid off (so he can hardly change the identification or admit that he was wrong now), he was called a not very credible witness by the person who filed the indictment against Megrahi and Fhimah in the first place. This alone for me is enough to dismiss this case as a farce, not even taking into account other facts (like witnesses who admitted to lying on the stand or the finding that the co-accused Fhimah was not guilty since he had an alibi - and the prosecutors were so sure that he was Megrahi's terror buddy!).

1027 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:58:20am

re: #995 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On your own? Going down the only road you've ever known?

Like a drifter, he was born to walk alone.

1028 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:58:23am

Reports coming out that the rebels have seized Daffy's compound.

1029 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:58:57am

re: #1027 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Like a drifter, he was born to walk alone.

[hands you Gus's man card]

1030 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 9:59:51am

re: #1025 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The same can be said for the Fry Mumia crowd, who accepts whatever police tell them and are itching for another state-sponsored death.

Fry Mumia crowd is merely distasteful, but at least they're right on the substance, i.e. that Mumia is guilty.

1031 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:00:00am

re: #1022 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So wait, does this mean my Che shirt, then tell folks "No, it's cool, he's actually a Libyan rebel!"?

/

I think Che's become the portable symbol. On the one hand you have many of the rebels taking up the symbol of Che. On the other, you have Gaddafi and his ally, Hugo Chavez. In the first sense it's more symbolic or one of a revolution without taking up the cause of Bolivarian styled socialism. That's what a lot of people use the symbolism for. It really isn't anything related to what Che stood for in the end. Just a symbol of revolution or opposition. That of course grows stronger as we grow ever distant from the days of Che Guevara's time.

1032 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:01:14am

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Jody Raynsford

tweets: Good to see the rebels have found the obligatory bust of the dictator to give a good kicking to in front of the cameras. #libya
1752:

Mr Gamaty says rebels believe Mr Gaddafi is either still in the Libyan capital or close by.
1751:

Rebel spokesman Guma el-Gamaty tells the BBC that the images of rebels in the Gaddafi compound, climbing on the golden fist, are hugely symbolic for opponents of the Libyan leader.

1033 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:01:15am

re: #1027 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Like a drifter, he was born to walk alone.

But he's made up his mind...

1034 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:01:53am

re: #1033 makeitstop

But he's made up his mind...

He's keeping his baby?

1035 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:01:56am

re: #1014 Gus 802

I know. But the point I'm making of course is that the Democrats need to do a better job publicizing this. Right now the Republicans seem to have the upper hand. They need to get those two old farts Pelosi and Reid to talk louder and more often.

I wish they would, if only for the splodey head value. Lol does the GOP even remember their Reid/Pelosi shrieking last year, or have they moved on to the newest shiny object already.

1036 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:02:15am

re: #1029 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[hands you Gus's man card]

LOL Whitesnake...

Image: whitesnake.jpg

1037 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:02:48am

re: #1024 lawhawk

This is sure to get the dander up with the usual suspects (Hiya Pam; Robert!):

Mind you that this bill is going to help all religious groups, but expect them to make hay out of the proposal that would improve religious accommodations for all religious groups.

Yeah, Orthodox Jews have to take certain days off and also leave early on Friday afternoons in the winter. Can't allow them to do that, it would be "Creeping Halachah!"

1038 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:03:19am

re: #1033 makeitstop

But he's made up his mind...

He ain't wastin' no more time...

1039 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:04:08am

re: #1036 Gus 802

LOL Whitesnake...

Image: whitesnake.jpg

You were looking at the guy's in that video?

Image: 1020-childhood-celebrity-crush-tawny_kitaen.jpg

1040 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:04:09am

re: #1038 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He ain't wastin' no more time...

And there he goes again.
/Reagan

1041 blueraven  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:04:20am

re: #1026 Sergey Romanov

He was questioned for years, I don't see what more questioning can achieve. He never admitted guilt. The whole case is built upon Tony Gauci's uncertain identification (it was flawed, since Gauci saw Megrahi's photo identified as a suspect several days before the official identification; it was uncertain since Gauci both didn't claim that Megrahi was _the_ man who purchased the clothes, only someone very like him in appearance; and at least at one time early on he identified another man - Palestinian terrorist Abu Talb (who once had been a primary suspect in this bombing case and who until recently was serving prison sentence for other bombings) as the man who purchased the clothes), and not only Gauci was paid off (so he can hardly change the identification or admit that he was wrong now), he was called a not very credible witness by the person who filed the indictment against Megrahi and Fhimah in the first place. This alone for me is enough to dismiss this case as a farce, not even taking into account other facts (like witnesses who admitted to lying on the stand or the finding that the co-accused Fhimah was not guilty since he had an alibi - and the prosecutors were so sure that he was Megrahi's terror buddy!).

The only reason I can see for questioning him now, is that he may feel more free to name names, and be more forthcoming if he has anything new to add.

1042 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:04:25am

re: #1030 Sergey Romanov

Fry Mumia crowd is merely distasteful, but at least they're right on the substance, i.e. that Mumia is guilty.

I don't have a dog in either fight, as afaic, "Mumia" has just become a cipher for all manner of social anxieties, plus I'm anti death penalty except in extreme cases, anyway. I do enjoy watching the Fry Mumia bunch's deep, angry frustration that he's not dead, yet. /Schadenfreude

1043 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:05:17am

re: #1029 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[hands you Gus's man card]

Man points! Yay!

1044 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:05:34am

re: #1035 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I wish they would, if only for the splodey head value. Lol does the GOP even remember their Reid/Pelosi shrieking last year, or have they moved on to the newest shiny object already.

They have so many daily shiny objects it's hard to keep track. I'm sure their next move was to blame Obama for what appeared to be a setback in Libya last night. That of course has changed drastically in the past couple of hours. The Reid/Pelosi shrieking seems to never end. They've done their job well over the past decade but I think it's time that the Democrats looked for a new, younger, if not much more vocal leadership.

1045 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:06:09am

re: #1031 Gus 802

I think Che's become the portable symbol. On the one hand you have many of the rebels taking up the symbol of Che. On the other, you have Gaddafi and his ally, Hugo Chavez. In the first sense it's more symbolic or one of a revolution without taking up the cause of Bolivarian styled socialism. That's what a lot of people use the symbolism for. It really isn't anything related to what Che stood for in the end. Just a symbol of revolution or opposition. That of course grows stronger as we grow ever distant from the days of Che Guevara's time.

Kinda ironic, isn't it? That Che's mug, perpetuated by capitalism, will come be seen as a symbol of revolution against the old regimes that were created and supported by the socialism he fought for?

1046 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:06:29am

re: #1039 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You were looking at the guy's in that video?

Image: 1020-childhood-celebrity-crush-tawny_kitaen.jpg

Are they still married? Yeah, I know, lmgtfy.

1047 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:07:06am

re: #1042 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't have a dog in either fight, as afaic, "Mumia" has just become a cipher for all manner of social anxieties, plus I'm anti death penalty except in extreme cases, anyway. I do enjoy watching the Fry Mumia bunch's deep, angry frustration that he's not dead, yet. /Schadenfreude

I don't have a dog here either, it's just a puzzle for me. If anyhting, I would be initally sympathetic to Mumia's plight, since it reminds of classic justice abuse cases. I'm also strictly anti-DP.

1048 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:07:09am

re: #212 Renaissance_Man

On the topic of heat, I go to Florida next week. Is it going to be unpleasant?

These are the dog days. As Robert Nix wrote, "the dog days were scorchers, Southern torture.'"

You will also want to avoid any areas which happened to experience Irene's landfall. Right now Irene appears to be moving off shore NE up the east coast. But Irene will be gaining heat energy once it moves into the Gulf Stream, so anything can happen.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

1049 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:07:29am

Rebels Overrun Gadhafi Compound

Libyans poured into streets surrounding Moammar Gadhafi's fortress-like compound in Tripoli on Tuesday, after rebels appeared to capture it following a fierce street battle against forces loyal to the longtime leader.

Streets surrounding the Bab al-Aziziya compound rang with mortars, heavy machine-guns and anti-aircraft guns throughout much of the day Tuesday as rebels took up positions around Col. Gadhafi's symbolic stronghold.

1050 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:11:01am

I gotta stop thinking about Confederates when I read the word "rebel".

1051 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:11:23am

re: #1030 Sergey Romanov

Fry Mumia crowd is merely distasteful, but at least they're right on the substance, i.e. that Mumia is guilty.

Agreed. Though I do understand their outrage that this skell has been allowed to live so long. His guilt is clear and proven, and its past time to end the appeals charade and execute him.

1052 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:11:39am

re: #1044 Gus 802

They have so many daily shiny objects it's hard to keep track. I'm sure their next move was to blame Obama for what appeared to be a setback in Libya last night. That of course has changed drastically in the past couple of hours. The Reid/Pelosi shrieking seems to never end. They've done their job well over the past decade but I think it's time that the Democrats looked for a new, younger, if not much more vocal leadership.

re: #1044 Gus 802

They have so many daily shiny objects it's hard to keep track. I'm sure their next move was to blame Obama for what appeared to be a setback in Libya last night. That of course has changed drastically in the past couple of hours. The Reid/Pelosi shrieking seems to never end. They've done their job well over the past decade but I think it's time that the Democrats looked for a new, younger, if not much more vocal leadership.

When all else fails, blame Obama for whatever it is.

Enough dupes will fall for it, so why not.

1053 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:12:50am

re: #1051 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Though I do understand their outrage that this skell has been allowed to live so long. His guilt is clear and proven, and its past time to end the appeals charade and execute him.

rotfl

1054 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:13:09am

re: #1050 Gus 802

I gotta stop thinking about Confederates when I read the word "rebel".

By nature, we think of our own country in our word associations.

1055 Gus  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:13:48am

re: #1054 Dark_Falcon

By nature, we think of our own country in our word associations.

Yep. Although it does make me think of Billy Idol.

//

1056 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:15:04am

re: #1051 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Though I do understand their outrage that this skell has been allowed to live so long. His guilt is clear and proven, and its past time to end the appeals charade and execute him.

Execution is really one of the most pointless things of all time that a state can do.

1057 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:15:30am

re: #1054 Dark_Falcon

By nature, we think of our own country in our word associations.

I remember all the fun when the headlines were "The Russians have invaded Georgia!"

1058 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:16:05am

re: #1050 Gus 802

I gotta stop thinking about Confederates when I read the word "rebel".

Rebel bass

Youtube Video

Fun, silly.

1059 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:16:48am

re: #1054 Dark_Falcon

By nature, we think of our own country in our word associations.

We do?

1060 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:17:29am

re: #1057 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember all the fun when the headlines were "The Russians have invaded Georgia!"

L. O. L.

1061 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:19:49am

re: #1060 Sergey Romanov

L. O. L.

Serious questions like "I live in Atlanta, but I don't see any Russians around here. What should I do?"

1062 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:20:16am

re: #1061 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Serious questions like "I live in Atlanta, but I don't see any Russians around here. What should I do?"

I remember that, but I think those were intended as jokes.

1063 Kragar  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:22:21am

re: #1062 Sergey Romanov

I remember that, but I think those were intended as jokes.

Not all of them.

1064 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:22:58am

re: #1056 Obdicut

Execution is really one of the most pointless things of all time that a state can do.

But it makes me feel better when someone I can't stand is dead! I'd just go kill them myself but I'm too much of a coward.

1065 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:25:12am

re: #1064 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I really do wish the free Mumia crowd would take their dumb asses elsewhere, to the thousands of other cases where probably-innocent people are incarcerated.

Most people in that group don't actually give a shit about the actuality, though, I don't think. It's just an abstraction to them.

1066 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:29:30am

re: #1065 Obdicut

I really do wish the free Mumia crowd would take their dumb asses elsewhere, to the thousands of other cases where probably-innocent people are incarcerated.

Most people in that group don't actually give a shit about the actuality, though, I don't think. It's just an abstraction to them.

First sentence, I agree. I don't think people in either the Free/Fry camp give a shyt about the actuality, certainly not at this point.

1067 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 10:34:22am

re: #1066 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Meh. For those who do support the death penalty, Mumia is an egregious example of someone who does, in fact, deserve it. So at least they have reality on their side, as Sergey pointed out, where as the ones who want him freed are ignoring the evidence of his guilt.

A lot on the 'fry him' side probably don't actually know the facts of the case, but they do happen to be in the right that he is quite demonstrably guilty, and that the legal punishment for his crime is the death penalty.

Which I don't support, of course.

1068 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 11:03:55am

re: #1067 Obdicut

Eh, they're just eager to see someone killed by the government because they believe cops' lives are more valuable than everyone else's. They can shove off, along with their screaming counterparts. Both are just background noise, to me.

1069 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 11:11:42am

re: #1068 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Eh, they're just eager to see someone killed by the government because they believe cops' lives are more valuable than everyone else's.

Well, some probably are. But you can't say that about all of them. Some honestly believe the death penalty is a good policy-- which I disagree with-- and that Mumia is guilty of something that we punish with the death penalty.

My point is that both sides are not equal; they might be on some moral or logical level, possibly, but Mumia really does appear to be absolutely guilty, and those protesting his innocence are far more in the wrong, factually.

1070 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:21:52pm

re: #1069 Obdicut

Well, some probably are. But you can't say that about all of them.

I haven't, any more than anything's been said about all Free Mumias.

My point is that both sides are not equal; they might be on some moral or logical level, possibly, but

My point is that in my book, they are equally aggro. Each believes they are more factually correct than the other, and rationalizes their behavior based on it. Gray noise, afaic.

1071 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:26:00pm

re: #1070 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My point is that in my book, they are equally aggro. Each believes they are more factually correct than the other, and rationalizes their behavior based on it. Gray noise, afaic.

But one group actually is more factually correct than the other.


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