Anti-Muslim Hate Crime Suspect Arrested in Oregon: 'Christians Can Jihad Too'

Anti-Muslim Hate Crime Suspect Arrested in Oregon: ‘Christians Can Jihad Too’

‘You look like Obama, you’re a Muslim like him’

US NewsAugust 2011 • Views: 30,106

In what’s becoming a disturbingly common story, an unstable anti-Muslim bigot was arrested today in Oregon on charges of firebombing a mosque last November: Man accused of hate crime in Corvallis mosque arson.

Cody Seth CrawfordCORVALLIS — Federal law enforcement authorities arrested Cody Seth Crawford, 24, Wednesday night on a federal hate crimes indictment in what they say was a racially motivated arson at a Corvallis mosque.

The arrest comes eight months after the Nov. 28 firebombing of the Salman Alfarisi Islamic Center at 610 N.W. Kings Boulevard in Corvallis. Authorities quickly determined the fire, which burned the office of the mosque, was an arson. …

According to federal search warrant documents filed in U.S. District Court, Crawford was identified as a “potential major contributor of the DNA” found on a blue Maglite flashlight discovered the morning of the firebombing on a walkway to the mosque.

Federal investigators also located a plastic 2-liter strawberry Fanta soda bottle near a broken window of the mosque. Lab tests showed the bottle contained gasoline and a mineral oil, according to a federal search warrant affidavit filed March 14 in U.S. District Court. Residues of gasoline and residues consistent with mineral oil were found in the burned office of the mosque.

The search warrant affidavit also indicated that Crawford, during two subsequent and unrelated contacts in December with McMinnville police and Corvallis officers, had ranted about Muslims, accused an officer of being a Muslim and looking like Obama, and described himself as a Christian warrior. He claimed his wife was Muslim and had taken his son.

“You look like Obama. You are a Muslim like him. Jihad goes both ways. Christians can jihad too,” he told a McMinnville officer when taken to the Willamette Valley Medical Center on Dec. 14 following a harassment arrest.

A witness at a McMinnville gas station told police Crawford was shining his flashlight at security cameras and talking about terrorists and Muslims.

On Dec. 16, after a witness said they saw Crawford waving a knife in front of his apartment, Corvallis police responded and took Crawford to Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center in Corvallis for a mental evaluation. During interviews with Corvallis detectives, Crawford lashed out against “jihadists.” He was placed on a mental health hold.

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76 comments

Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:24:23pm

What do you expect from the followers of a pre-dark ages middle eastern religion?
/

Kronocide Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:24:32pm

What right wing violence?

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:26:27pm

Cody Seth?....arrest the parents too

Targetpractice Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:26:30pm

Just another lone nut. *sigh*

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:26:48pm

I don't normally like the term "Teahadi", but in this case I am going to make an exception since it fits this nutcase so well.

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:28:14pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What do you expect from the followers of a pre-dark ages middle eastern religion?
/

Religion is religion is religion. Belief measured most accurately in bigotry.

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:30:45pm

shouldn't be to hard to squeeze a confession out of this lunatic then up the river for 20yr minimum...quit playing doctor and bounce the mfr

Obdicut Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:30:53pm

re: #6 laZardo

Religion is religion is religion. Belief measured most accurately in bigotry.

Because you say so?

If you want to go on an anti-religion rant, could you actually make an argument this time instead of just assertions that no one else agrees with?

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:31:27pm

re: #6 laZardo

Religion is religion is religion. Belief measured most accurately in bigotry.

There is a difference between being devout and being fanatical. There's nothing wrong with Christianity or Islam per se, the problems start when their adherents try to force others to believe as they believe.

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:31:28pm

re: #6 laZardo

Religion is religion is religion. Belief measured most accurately in bigotry.

good grief

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:37:05pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Because you say so?

If you want to go on an anti-religion rant, could you actually make an argument this time instead of just assertions that no one else agrees with?

Fine.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant

17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded

17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel;

17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

The "Old Testament" cop-out just does not fly.

recusancy Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:38:07pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

There is a difference between being devout and being fanatical. There's nothing wrong with Christianity or Islam per se, the problems start when their adherents try to force others to believe as they believe.

Unless they're Arab, though, right?

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:39:29pm

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

very enlightened, welcome to the past...
anyway I feel like the rise of the GOP theocracy is an epic event...we'll see just how much gas it has in the tank....soon come....Rick Perry as POTUS is utterly unacceptable to me

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:40:02pm

re: #11 laZardo

Fine.

The "Old Testament" cop-out just does not fly.

who are you quoting?

Obdicut Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:40:21pm

re: #11 laZardo

Something from one biblical text says exactly zero about all religions. Zero.

Furthermore, adherence to a text shows zero about someone's devoutness, either.

For whatever fucked-up reason, you've decided that fundamentalism = level of faith, and ignored the manifold reasons that's wrong-- that faith through doubt is often a deeper one than fundamentalism, for precisely the reason that a fundamentalism never really undergoes any sort of trial to hold onto that faith.

You yourself have that view. It is not one that holds for others, so please stop asserting it like it's a damn fact. Textual adherence and faith are not synonymous.

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:44:44pm

re: #15 Obdicut

And how do you know that faith through doubt is "deeper" than fundamentalism?

Faith requires a degree of certainty in the correctness of their belief. Not doubt. Otherwise it's not really believing.

lostlakehiker Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:44:48pm

This sort of trouble doesn't require a religious difference. Ethnic differences, when all share the same religion at least pro forma, can be the spark.

"Economist" magazine reports

ETHNIC warfare in Pakistan’s most populous city has reached such a level that Karachi’s ambulance service now has to send out a driver matching the racial make-up of the destination district to pick up the victims of gang attacks. Otherwise, the district’s gunmen will not let the ambulance through. Now ambulances themselves are coming under fire, as gangsters try to stop them saving the lives of their enemies. Karachi’s ethnic wars have claimed some 1,000 lives this year, with more than 100 in the past week alone. By contrast the Taliban and other religious extremists kill tiny numbers in Karachi.

Emphasis mine.

Any level at all of this stuff is too high, but some perspective is helpful. Short of remaking human nature, at a certain background level of "radiation", all you can do is make sure everybody understands that it's illegal, then resolutely jail the punks forever, or execute them if anybody dies.

Cinnabar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:45:45pm

This one sounds like a single nutcase acting alone, though. I wish there were some way of keeping flammable substances (like gasoline) away from such people.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:46:32pm

re: #16 laZardo

And how do you know that faith through doubt is "deeper" than fundamentalism?

Faith requires a degree of certainty in the correctness of their belief. Not doubt. Otherwise it's not really believing.

Even folks that don't believe know how they'd believe if they did believe...

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:46:45pm

re: #12 recusancy

Unless they're Arab, though, right?

Nope, it applies for Arabs too.

Bulworth Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:47:08pm

No true Christian....

Obdicut Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:47:24pm

re: #16 laZardo

You've never read Thomas Acquinas, apparently. Or many other religious writers.

Congrats, dude, you've turned a thread about the excess of religion into one defending it. Way to go.

ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:47:29pm

re: #17 lostlakehiker

Pakistan will collapse soon obviously.

Which brings one question.

The nukes. How do we handle them?

Also, how do we make sure this doesn't drag India down too?

lostlakehiker Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:47:47pm

re: #16 laZardo

And how do you know that faith through doubt is "deeper" than fundamentalism?

Faith requires a degree of certainty in the correctness of their belief. Not doubt. Otherwise it's not really believing.

Faith requires a certain degree of uncertainty. If there were convincing, solid, case-closed evidence in favor of the belief, it wouldn't be belief, it would be knowing. Nobody has "faith" in gravity. Everybody simply knows that stuff falls down if dropped.

HoosierHoops Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:48:21pm

Federal law enforcement authorities arrested Cody Seth Crawford, 24, Wednesday night on a federal hate crimes indictment in what they say was a racially motivated arson at a Corvallis mosque.
Racially motivated? I thought being Muslim was about religion not race..
I don't get it..Anybody know?

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:49:53pm

re: #17 lostlakehiker

This sort of trouble doesn't require a religious difference. Ethnic differences, when all share the same religion at least pro forma, can be the spark.

"Economist" magazine reports

Emphasis mine.

Any level at all of this stuff is too high, but some perspective is helpful. Short of remaking human nature, at a certain background level of "radiation", all you can do is make sure everybody understands that it's illegal, then resolutely jail the punks forever, or execute them if anybody dies.

Karachi is is getting worse by the day and the Pakistani Army and the ISI are refusing to do anything about it. It may turn out to be Karachi, not the tribal areas that causes Pakistan to implode.

Our current policy of sending more Afghanistan supplies by rail through Russia is being proven wise.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:50:19pm

re: #18 C1nnabar

This one sounds like a single nutcase acting alone, though. I wish there were some way of keeping flammable substances (like gasoline) away from such people.

This guy is undoubtedly batshit crazy, and also a lone nutter.

The problem, as I see it is that:

a. Lone nutters are being told that the problems of the world are the fault of Muslims, by a number of sources, and that tends to push them more in the direction of Muslims when they go off.

b. This guy is more than likely to be defended and have a little justifying back-story spun for him by some of those sources--Pam? Debbie? I'm looking at you.

c. My fear is that at some level of this, we start to go from demonizing, to having lone crazies act out the demonizing to have not-so-lone-not-so-crazy people vote and act on the fears being stoked.

Also, this nut could have killed someone, or burned down the building, but the nuts we will always have with us.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:50:40pm

re: #21 Bulworth

No true Christian...

//

In this case, I think, no SANE Christian.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:51:07pm

re: #6 laZardo

Religion is religion is religion. Belief measured most accurately in bigotry.

So too with religious atheism?

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:51:49pm

re: #23 ProLifeLiberal

Pakistan will collapse soon obviously.

Which brings one question.

The nukes. How do we handle them?

Also, how do we make sure this doesn't drag India down too?

I'm certain there are several plans on the books for taking down the nukes....fight your way in, do it and split...difficult and costly too, but doable...as for India, I'd say Pakistan has more to fear by a very wide margin

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:51:59pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

...but the nuts we will always have with us.

Jesus could have added that to the part about the poor, but he may have figured it went without saying.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:52:45pm

re: #25 HoosierHoops

Federal law enforcement authorities arrested Cody Seth Crawford, 24, Wednesday night on a federal hate crimes indictment in what they say was a racially motivated arson at a Corvallis mosque.
Racially motivated? I thought being Muslim was about religion not race..
I don't get it..Anybody know?

It has to do with the suspect's comment about Pres. Obama:

“You look like Obama. You are a Muslim like him. Jihad goes both ways. Christians can jihad too,” he told a McMinnville officer when taken to the Willamette Valley Medical Center on Dec. 14 following a harassment arrest.

allegro Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:53:16pm

re: #29 wlewisiii

So too with religious atheism?

Whut?

darthstar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:53:20pm

Yes.

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:53:22pm

re: #24 lostlakehiker

Faith requires a certain degree of uncertainty. If there were convincing, solid, case-closed evidence in favor of the belief, it wouldn't be belief, it would be knowing. Nobody has "faith" in gravity. Everybody simply knows that stuff falls down if dropped.

Exactly, because it's been proven, unlike, say, the existence of a supreme being. There are quite a few things humans are still trying to figure out, of course. But a rational mind would not simply wish/believe/assume it to exist.

Kronocide Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:53:52pm

re: #22 Obdicut

You've never read Thomas Acquinas, apparently. Or many other religious writers.

Congrats, dude, you've turned a thread about the excess of religion into one defending it. Way to go.

I've heard of but never read Acquinas. Yet, I have a sense that you're implying something about the religious fervor of some atheists proselytizing against religion. With that in mind, I love to toy with my atheist friends who, at times, zealously preach against the 'sins' of faith. I do love the irony.

The problem with blaming religion is it gives the people a pass.

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:54:06pm

re: #29 wlewisiii

So too with religious atheism?

A bit of an oxymoron, isn't it? There's nothing that says atheists should go kill unbelievers. And the religion-like cults of personality don't exactly count.

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:55:06pm

Hoops...still listening
I'm impressed

lostlakehiker Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:55:33pm

re: #23 ProLifeLiberal

Pakistan will collapse soon obviously.

Which brings one question.

The nukes. How do we handle them?

Also, how do we make sure this doesn't drag India down too?

Above my pay grade. I rather doubt that there's any way to make sure of any of this. I'd guess that India won't get dragged down because her economy is much stronger and is making steady progress.

People who see a path to a better future and are busy working toward it have every incentive to keep their society intact. As we have just seen in Britain, people who have no plans ever to work, and don't see how it could happen or why if it were available they'd want it, are not so supportive of the norms of civilization.

In Pakistan, Mexico, and many other parts of the world, the lives of the masses are lives of increasingly unquiet desperation. This sets up a vicious circle, where the disorder itself wrecks little green shoots of economic hope.

If the mess can be laid at the door of a strongman, he can be deposed and the people can try again. Thus, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt. And if it works, Syria and Iran, but some revolutions fail and win or lose they're not pretty for the most part.

The best thing we can do for stability in India is to keep trade relations intact and not reenact any sort of Smoot-Hawley anti-trade laws.

goddamnedfrank Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:55:46pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus could have added that to the part about the poor, but he may have figured it went without saying.

That's because Jesus was way cool.

Youtube Video

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:56:44pm

re: #30 albusteve

I'm certain there are several plans on the books for taking down the nukes...fight your way in, do it and split...difficult and costly too, but doable...as for India, I'd say Pakistan has more to fear by a very wide margin

No Steve, this is one the US has to be afraid of. A full-on nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be very bad for America, even if no warhead was fired at Afghanistan.

Not only would a major trading partner (India) be permanently crippled, but the US itself would be looking at a "nuclear autumn" scenario. There would be food rationing in the US and mass die-offs from famine in Africa before climate patterns recovered.

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:58:09pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

No Steve, this is one the US has to be afraid of. A full-on nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be very bad for America, even if no warhead was fired at Afghanistan.

Not only would a major trading partner (India) be permanently crippled, but the US itself would be looking at a "nuclear autumn" scenario. There would be food rationing in the US and mass die-offs from famine in Africa before climate patterns recovered.

[Link: www.time.com...]

HoosierHoops Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:58:24pm

re: #38 albusteve

Hoops...still listening
I'm impressed

Crap...That means they shipped overnight..Oh well...I told them 3 day cheap shipping..
Like the sound of my green Strat? I love my guitar!
Thanks

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:00:02pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

That's because Jesus was way cool.

[Video]

That is very strange, but oddly endearing.

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:00:15pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

No Steve, this is one the US has to be afraid of. A full-on nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be very bad for America, even if no warhead was fired at Afghanistan.

Not only would a major trading partner (India) be permanently crippled, but the US itself would be looking at a "nuclear autumn" scenario. There would be food rationing in the US and mass die-offs from famine in Africa before climate patterns recovered.

no what?...the nukes have to go if Pakistan falls into chaos...I'm speaking in a simple linear context...fear of the unknown is exactly the reason

laZardo Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:00:48pm

Gotta do some stuff. BBL

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:01:20pm

re: #37 laZardo

A bit of an oxymoron, isn't it? There's nothing that says atheists should go kill unbelievers. And the religion-like cults of personality don't exactly count.

Well. Let's see - an atheist who believes that his faith is the only one that is right and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigot.

Sound familier?

ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:02:05pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

At this point, there needs to be discussion of helping the Balochs secede. As a person on TVTropes put it, we are dealing with a combination of Prussia and Yugoslavia.

In an analogue of the Yugoslavia breakup, the Balochs might have the same role as the Slovenians.

Additionally, we have to solve this issue with Iran ASAP.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:02:42pm

re: #45 albusteve

no what?...the nukes have to go if Pakistan falls into chaos...I'm speaking in a simple linear context...fear of the unknown is exactly the reason

What I'm saying is that a simply linear context doesn't really work here. There are just too many variables, too many ways the nukes could be launched.

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:04:33pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

What I'm saying is that a simply linear context doesn't really work here. There are just too many variables, too many ways the nukes could be launched.

it works fine in the context of the question...they cannot be allowed to be put together and launched....if they do the West has failed

wrenchwench Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:05:37pm

re: #47 wlewisiii

Well. Let's see - an atheist who believes that his faith is the only one that is right and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigot.

Bzzzt!

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:05:47pm

BBIAB

lostlakehiker Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:07:13pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

No Steve, this is one the US has to be afraid of. A full-on nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be very bad for America, even if no warhead was fired at Afghanistan.

Not only would a major trading partner (India) be permanently crippled, but the US itself would be looking at a "nuclear autumn" scenario. There would be food rationing in the US and mass die-offs from famine in Africa before climate patterns recovered.

It could be worse still. We have no guarantee that the resulting soot would settle out fast enough for civilization to pull through in the U.S.

What if we had to go five years or more without a harvest? Rationing wouldn't cut it. We'd have to triage ruthlessly. If you're between age 20 and 25, or up to 35 with essential skills, then maybe we'll feed you near starvation rations. Otherwise, you get nothing.

This might not be taken tamely by the 270 million people left out of the scheme. But if we simply shared out the food to all, until it ran out, it would run out and we'd all die. Any policy where everybody ends up dead has got to be suboptimal.

With those kinds of stakes, we should be thinking hard about how to reduce the prospects for any such war in the first place.

Thinking (straight) about these unthinkable, desperate contingencies is very difficult. Herman Kahn and his colleagues gave it a whirl during the Cold War and maybe another such commission could be set up to look at this.

ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:07:30pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

100-110 Nukes to be exact, maximum range:2,500 km

India has the same number (Range somewhere between 2,000-5,000 km). This says volumes.

Ming Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:08:20pm

Right-wing Christian violence is Osama bin Laden's dream come true. He always wanted to ignite a religious war.

Christian extremists like Michelle Bachmann and Muslim extremists like Osama bin Laden have always agreed on one thing: the worst enemy of all is Western, secular society, governed by a secular Constitution, committed to checks and balances and working out problems in a rational way.

lostlakehiker Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:13:48pm

re: #50 albusteve

it works fine in the context of the question...they cannot be allowed to be put together and launched...if they do the West has failed

Preemptive nuclear strike on the presumed location of the nukes? This is playing with fire. Things have a tendency to not go according to plan.

Even the bin Laden raid encountered some mischances, and we lost whatever secrecy we had about our new stealth copters. There's just no way to be even halfway sure of success with such an effort. The other side, after all, will have gone to every effort to make its force de frappe secure against any first strike.

Maybe if we offered to take them off Pakistan's hands and demolish them, and pay them handsomely? And guarantee Pakistan against Indian attack? Or to take them off both sides' hands and pay both handsomely?

Perhaps there is a sum so princely that the offer would be accepted. Are we all going to kick in, oh, say, six months' salary? It might take a LOT of money.

albusteve Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:15:26pm

re: #56 lostlakehiker

Preemptive nuclear strike on the presumed location of the nukes? This is playing with fire. Things have a tendency to not go according to plan.

Even the bin Laden raid encountered some mischances, and we lost whatever secrecy we had about our new stealth copters. There's just no way to be even halfway sure of success with such an effort. The other side, after all, will have gone to every effort to make its force de frappe secure against any first strike.

Maybe if we offered to take them off Pakistan's hands and demolish them, and pay them handsomely? And guarantee Pakistan against Indian attack? Or to take them off both sides' hands and pay both handsomely?

Perhaps there is a sum so princely that the offer would be accepted. Are we all going to kick in, oh, say, six months' salary? It might take a LOT of money.

I didn't suggest tac nukes

goddamnedfrank Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:18:12pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

That is very strange, but oddly endearing.

"If you were blind, or lame, you'd just run up to - well actually if you were lame Jesus would go up to you ..."

jamesfirecat Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:22:28pm

re: #53 lostlakehiker

It could be worse still. We have no guarantee that the resulting soot would settle out fast enough for civilization to pull through in the U.S.

What if we had to go five years or more without a harvest? Rationing wouldn't cut it. We'd have to triage ruthlessly. If you're between age 20 and 25, or up to 35 with essential skills, then maybe we'll feed you near starvation rations. Otherwise, you get nothing.

This might not be taken tamely by the 270 million people left out of the scheme. But if we simply shared out the food to all, until it ran out, it would run out and we'd all die. Any policy where everybody ends up dead has got to be suboptimal.

With those kinds of stakes, we should be thinking hard about how to reduce the prospects for any such war in the first place.

Thinking (straight) about these unthinkable, desperate contingencies is very difficult. Herman Kahn and his colleagues gave it a whirl during the Cold War and maybe another such commission could be set up to look at this.

We can't allow a Mineshaft gap!

(Sorry my gut reaction to horrible situations is to find a way to laugh at them since otherwise I'd be in the bathtub slitting my wrist (down the street not across the road!))

Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:23:26pm

It seems Hulu is now putting more of its content behind the paywall. Looks like the predictions of Hulu's demise were spot on.

darthstar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:26:20pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

It seems Hulu is now putting more of its content behind the paywall. Looks like the predictions of Hulu's demise were spot on.

How can they expect to make any money if they aren't giving it away for free?

HoosierHoops Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:27:24pm

Well Time to go out to dinner.. I'm hungry
I'll leave you with this thought
Given sufficient thrust Pigs will fly

Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:28:17pm

WTF Austria?

Austrian man 'locked up daughters for 40 years'

An Austrian man is being investigated after locking up his two daughters for 41 years and sexually abusing them in a case with chilling parallels to that of fellow countryman Josef Fritzl.

The women, who are now 45 and 53 years old, and are both reported to be mentally ill, were kept trapped within the family home in the village of St Peter Am Hart, near the Bavarian border, and forbidden all contact with the outside world for the last four decades.

Police believe the sisters, who were kept in the kitchen and made to sleep on a bench, were repeatedly beaten and sexually abused by their father since 1970 and that their mother, who died three years ago had been aware of the abuse but too scared to report him.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:28:44pm

re: #59 jamesfirecat

We can't allow a Mineshaft gap!

(Sorry my gut reaction to horrible situations is to find a way to laugh at them since otherwise I'd be in the bathtub slitting my wrist (down the street not across the road!))

Good use of Dr. Strangelove.

engineer cat Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:29:28pm

i'd rather wang chung tonite than jihad

Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:29:33pm

re: #61 darthstar

How can they expect to make any money if they aren't giving it away for free?

They need to find a model where commercials pay rent. Their content is pretty shitty, especially compared to Net Flix. In fact most of their content can already be found for free on the network webistes. Nobody's going to pay for it.

Cinnabar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:29:39pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

This guy is undoubtedly batshit crazy, and also a lone nutter.

c. My fear is that at some level of this, we start to go from demonizing, to having lone crazies act out the demonizing to have not-so-lone-not-so-crazy people vote and act on the fears being stoked.

Also, this nut could have killed someone, or burned down the building, but the nuts we will always have with us.

I don't worry much about this kind of nut -- sure, you're at risk if you happen to get between him and his target, but you're at similar risk crossing the street, and there are far more nuts behind the wheel than throwing gasoline bombs. At least for now.

I agree about the not-so-lone voters trying to head this off, but I still have (some) faith in the Constitution and the courts. Also, the law's delay -- by the time outlawing Muslims or nuts or whatever gets through the appeals process, the people who vote for nutty ideas are likely to have moved on to another Threat of the Day, and won't notice when their fancy law is thrown out.

Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:30:02pm

Can't tell if spam or....
Image: knSBG.jpg

Political Atheist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:38:12pm

Sorry to go OT but a seemingly endless stream of unmarked police cars has gone down hill street at very high speeds. Had to be a couple dozen. Something bad has happened I fear...

Anybody got an online LAPD SWAT channel link?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:43:04pm

Why I am guessing this is a lone nutter:

This is Corvallis. Corvallis. You may have to live in Oregon to hear the tone of voice I would say this with.

One of the most liberal towns in Oregon, and this is in a state with Portland in it.

Also, I repeat: Albino hypnotoad.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:14:06pm

re: #70 EmmmieG

Why I am guessing this is a lone nutter:

This is Corvallis. Corvallis. You may have to live in Oregon to hear the tone of voice I would say this with.

One of the most liberal towns in Oregon, and this is in a state with Portland in it.

Also, I repeat: Albino hypnotoad.

Corvallis is a college town! So yeah.

But...it's also in Oregon, so there's a lot of woodsy less-inhabited space, perfect for nutters :D

saqib.ali Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:51:16pm

Seriously OT:
Charles, today I got into a flame war on Twitter with Robert Stacy McCain.
He dropped another anti-Gay slur: "Poofter".

I took a screenshot of the tweet. Take a look at it here:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

im_gumby_damnit Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:13:07pm

"'Christians Can Jihad Too."

Uh, must have missed that Sunday.

Mickey Blumental Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:00:28am

Yes, Christians can Jihad too. Totally agree. In fact, at certain times in history they Jihaded the crap out of people. Conclusion: the problem isn't Muslims, Christians or even Scientologists. It's religious nuts who think violence is the answer.

On the other hand it's so much sexier to accuse one religion for all of the world's problems.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:39:16am

“You look like Obama. You are a Muslim like him.

That's just swell. I look like Obama, as does 13% of the population, and more. I suppose we should be grateful for the impending correction for that ailment from the Breivik-lites in our midst. Again. 9_9

Anybody who thinks this person simply has an isolated mental health issue is kidding themselves. /social conservatism kills

Flavia Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:34:25pm

re: #11 laZardo

The "Old Testament" cop-out just does not fly.

Thanks for again proving that

a) No one should read Torah in English
b) No one should read Torah without Talmud
c) No one should pretend they know anything about Judaism based solely on cursory Torah readings.

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