Poll: Tea Partiers Really Like Rick Perry

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The new Gallup poll out today shows that among teabaggers (hey, Andrew Breitbart himself said he was “proud to be a teabagger”), Rick Perry’s strong, uncompromising Neanderthal message is really resonating: Tea Party Supporters Backing Perry for GOP Nomination.

PRINCETON, NJ — Rick Perry’s candidacy has attracted strong initial support from Republicans who identify themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement. Perry leads by 21 percentage points over the closest contenders among this group, Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann. Among Republicans who say they do not support the Tea Party movement, Romney and Perry are essentially tied.

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141 comments
1 iossarian  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:33:22pm

Tea Partiers are hard-core Republicans.

Q: Are there any moderate Republicans left?

A: Yes - his middle name is Hussein.

2 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:35:38pm

Ah the small government Tea Party strikes yet again.

3 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:38:47pm

Conservatives are literally mentally handicapped children.

4 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:42:13pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

Conservatives are literally mentally handicapped children.

and liberals are mentally handicapped adults...what a mess eh?

5 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:45:26pm

He's white, he's a man, he's from Texas, and even his farts sound like they're whispering Jesus' name.

6 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:46:08pm

"It takes balls to execute an innocent man," and also to steal from the poor, promote superstition, prostrate yourself to big business, suck up to quack preachers, and generally act like a fool in public. Great flaming balls, in fact, of bullshit.

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:47:52pm

I expect that Perry will prevail because he has a message that fits into the sloganeering, talking-point, sound-byte approach and plays well on 30-second spots with swelling music and amber waves of grain in the background:

Low taxes, loosened (or abolished) regulations, American exceptionalism, family values, etc...

That is what sells these days and Perry is shaping up to be the brand that offers more for your campaign donation dollars.

8 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:48:09pm

re: #5 darthstar

He's white, he's a man, he's from Texas, and even his farts sound like they're whispering Jesus' name.

And he wore a uniform. You can be a mass murderer and the wingnuts will still think you're a swell guy as long as you once wore a uniform.

//

9 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:49:18pm

the Divine Emperor Perryhito....
ManGod

10 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:49:52pm

re: #8 Gus 802

And he wore a uniform. You can be a mass murderer and the wingnuts will still think you're a swell guy as long as you once wore a uniform.

//

Hitler's still a bad guy, right?

Right?

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:50:02pm

Once he has established himself in a few primaries as the Front Runner and the Great White Hope (and not just in the figurative sense) of the GOP then there will be no stopping him despite any gaffes, inconsistencies his record or his dubious personal, religious and political affiliations.

They will be overlooked or explained away with a veritable Texas twister of spin doctoring.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:50:35pm

re: #8 Gus 802

And he wore a uniform. You can be a mass murderer and the wingnuts will still think you're a swell guy as long as you once wore a uniform.

//

Didn't work for John Kerry...

13 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:51:11pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

Once he has established himself in a few primaries as the Front Runner and the Great White Hope (and not just in the figurative sense) of the GOP then there will be no stopping him despite any gaffes, inconsistencies his record or his dubious personal, religious and political affiliations.

They will be overlooked or explained away with a veritable Texas twister of spin doctoring.

but then BO will crush him with hope and change....right?

14 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:52:57pm

Most interesting is the 24% of non-Tea Partiers that have no candidate preference.

15 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:53:37pm

re: #14 gehazi

Most interesting is the 24% of non-Tea Partiers that have no candidate preference.

Pataki hasn't officially entered yet...

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16 Lidane  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:54:04pm

re: #14 gehazi

Most interesting is the 24% of non-Tea Partiers that have no candidate preference.

They're waiting for Caribou Barbie to stop yanking their chain.

17 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:54:22pm

re: #15 JasonA

Pataki fever!

18 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:55:29pm

re: #12 ralphieboy

Didn't work for John Kerry...

John Kerry was a Democrat and a former war objector. He obviously fails the wingnut smell test. I was of course speaking facetiously regarding the "mass murderer" aspect. However, the militarism and military worship is what I was alluding to on the part of the right wing. In any event that's a big plus in Perry's favor in that his flock can engage directly with their military fetish. We've already seen some of this take place with David Limbaugh.

19 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:55:52pm

re: #16 Lidane

Non-teapartiers? Nah, I think they're holding out for Zombie Reagan. The much-talked about, seldom seen in the wild "moderate Republicans."

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:57:46pm

re: #13 albusteve

but then BO will crush him with hope and change...right?

Then, quite simply, the weaker the economy and our sense of national security and personal safety, the stronger his mesasge will come across.

Count on gasoline prices to rise to record highs next summer, peaking in late October/early November, accompanied by a spate of articles about hos Obama is "dragging his feet" on developing more domestic supplies.

Count on food prices going up, and a lot of rhetoric on how Obama's policies hurt the American farmer, etc.

That is just the sort of thing that will squeeze those at the bottom of the income scale the hardest...

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:59:01pm

It just doesn't make sense to keep pandering to such a small and unpopular group. Even most Republicans disagree with the Tea Party on issues like lowering taxes for millionaires. It's really hard to see why they're still doing this. The Tea Party is over.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 1:59:09pm

re: #8 Gus 802

And he wore a uniform. You can be a mass murderer and the wingnuts will still think you're a swell guy as long as you once wore a uniform.

This is true. He learned to fly a C-130 in fact. That's not as gonad heavy as W's F-102, a truly frightful beast, but still getting on quite a bit from lighting the Aggie bonfire. This only shows, once again, that he is a cynical tool rather than the superstitious nitwit he appears to be.

23 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:00:39pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party is over.

And yet it isn't, which is admittedly scary. Check the note at the bottom of that poll, which has 58% of Republican voters as supporters of the TP.

24 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:01:31pm

If I were Mitt Romney, I'd spend the next 18 months beginning every sentence with "When Rick Perry was Al Gore's campaign chairman..." and talking about Perry's extensive experience* working in private sector business.

* - by "extensive" I mean "completely non-existent", of course.

25 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:02:39pm

re: #23 gehazi

And yet it isn't, which is admittedly scary. Check the note at the bottom of that poll, which has 58% of Republican voters as supporters of the TP.

the only polls that count are the ones you want to believe....it's all bullshit until election day

26 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:03:48pm

re: #24 negativ

If I were Mitt Romney, I'd spend the next 18 months beginning every sentence with "When Rick Perry was Al Gore's campaign chairman..." and talking about Perry's extensive experience* working in private sector business.

* - by "extensive" I mean "completely non-existent", of course.

good strategy to use against BO...I'm sure somebody has thought of that

27 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:03:52pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Gus, I'm locked and loaded to post your pic on Facebook as soon as I see the Boys will be Boys Limbaugh agit prop.

Give it two or three days.

28 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:04:51pm

re: #25 albusteve

the only polls that count are the ones you want to believe...it's all bullshit until election day

Huh? I'd rather not believe that the TP had so much support, nor was I making any larger point beyond what the context of the survey.

And I'd speculate that it's still all bullshit even after election day. ;)

29 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:05:22pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

This is true. He learned to fly a C-130 in fact. That's not as gonad heavy as W's F-102, a truly frightful beast, but still getting on quite a bit from lighting the Aggie bonfire. This only shows, once again, that he is a cynical tool rather than the superstitious nitwit he appears to be.

Perry completed flight training though. Unlike Bush. That was followed with active duty and ending with his rank as a captain. re: #27 BigPapa

Gus, I'm locked and loaded to post your pic on Facebook as soon as I see the Boys will be Boys Limbaugh agit prop.

Give it two or three days.

Thanks. :)

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:05:25pm

re: #24 negativ

Once again, if Perry can establish himself as the front runner after a hew primaries, he will be absolved of all minor peccadiloes such as supporting Al Gore and toying with secession, and be promoted for his core message, which can be boiled down to the simple, poster-friendly equation of

Low Taxes + Small Government = Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

To refute these claims or point out his inconsistencies, you need whole sentences, even paragraphs to present your case. nobody has the time, interest or attention span for anything that clannot fit on a Tea Party poster any more.

31 iossarian  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:06:37pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

It just doesn't make sense to keep pandering to such a small and unpopular group. Even most Republicans disagree with the Tea Party on issues like lowering taxes for millionaires. It's really hard to see why they're still doing this. The Tea Party is over.

Unfortunately, though a minority, they control the Republican primaries (to a varying extent). Hence they do in fact have to be pandered to. Hence the US is screwed* unless the crazy 27% who think Bush was too liberal suddenly come to their senses.

* Because even a fairly small minority can still get you 41 seats in the Senate, when correctly deployed across low-population states.

32 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:07:09pm

re: #28 gehazi

Huh? I'd rather not believe that the TP had so much support, nor was I making any larger point beyond what the context of the survey.

And I'd speculate that it's still all bullshit even after election day. ;)

you're right about that

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:07:18pm

re: #23 gehazi

And yet it isn't, which is admittedly scary. Check the note at the bottom of that poll, which has 58% of Republican voters as supporters of the TP.

Ah, Thanks....

The poll finds that 58% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents identify themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement, with 36% saying they do not consider themselves supporters. Included among the group of Tea Party supporters is a smaller group -- representing 12% of Republicans -- who say they are "strong" supporters of the movement. Among this smaller group, Perry's lead is even greater, 46% to 16%, over Bachmann, with all other candidates in single digits.

I seem to recall that number being lower among Republicans. I wonder if that 58% in the mushy middle of "somewhat supportive". Still 36% are non Tea Partiers which vastly outnumbers the 12% with strong support.

34 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:07:43pm

re: #29 Gus 802

Perry completed flight training though. Unlike Bush. That was followed with active duty and ending with his rank as a captain.

Yeah, but how many commies muslims did he kill?

35 iossarian  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:07:49pm

That was a drive-by comment followed by GTFO time. Bye for now!

36 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:08:10pm

re: #27 BigPapa

Gus, I'm locked and loaded to post your pic on Facebook as soon as I see the Boys will be Boys Limbaugh agit prop.

Give it two or three days.

Just in case people are wondering what we're referring to. There was this comment where OC mentioned some stupid Photoshop shown by David Limbaugh:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

In which I followed up with my own response for the Photoshop:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

37 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:11:12pm

re: #10 JasonA

Hitler's still a bad guy, right?

Right?

Only because he was a liberal.

38 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:11:19pm

re: #30 ralphieboy

Once again, if Perry can establish himself as the front runner after a hew primaries, he will be absolved of all minor peccadiloes such as supporting Al Gore and toying with secession, and be promoted for his core message, which can be boiled down to the simple, poster-friendly equation of

Low Taxes + Small Government = Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

To refute these claims or point out his inconsistencies, you need whole sentences, even paragraphs to present your case. nobody has the time, interest or attention span for anything that clannot fit on a Tea Party poster any more.

blather and tripe are the essence of a campaign...make all the claims you want...the debates are about ratings, not discourse....voters are stupid and slick TV heads will sit and over analyze this crap til the cows come home...if BO can win it, anybody can

39 gehazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:13:48pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Ah, Thanks...

I seem to recall that number being lower among Republicans. I wonder if that 58% in the mushy middle of "somewhat supportive". Still 36% are non Tea Partiers which vastly outnumbers the 12% with strong support.

Sadly I don't see any crosstabs available from Gallup on that, so yeah it's hard to say. The good news is that 58% of the GOP electorate isn't enough to win a national election without being enabled by more moderate Republicans.

40 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:14:32pm

re: #38 albusteve

blather and tripe are the essence of a campaign...make all the claims you want...the debates are about ratings, not discourse...voters are stupid and slick TV heads will sit and over analyze this crap til the cows come home...if BO Ronald Reagan can win it, anybody can

FTFY

41 Kragar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:15:10pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

Conservatives are literally mentally handicapped children.

Most handicapped kids I know are nice though.

42 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:15:23pm

re: #40 Gus 802

FTFY

not even close

43 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:17:45pm

re: #42 albusteve

not even close

Why color me surprised that you feel that way.

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44 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:18:20pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most handicapped kids I know are nice though.

Yeah, seriously, it's not lack of intelligence that drives the Conservative cult. I fully believe that they have the same intelligence as the general population. It's the blinding desire to hate and the pleasure they take in bullying douchebaggery that separates them.

45 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:20:08pm

Islamophobia Network’s David Horowitz Responds To ThinkProgress By Calling Us ‘Fascistic’

Horowitz plays the Soros, Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR and fascist cards, all in one statement. Impressive in a really demented sort of way.

It doesn't take a lot to launch him into full-on frothing mode.

46 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:20:27pm

Wait, the teabaggers are really just Republicans?

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47 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:22:19pm

re: #46 Bulworth

Wait, the teabaggers are really just Republicans?

//

The Tea Party is not about being a Republican or a Democrat! Why we even have a Democrat in our group. Hey Harold! Get Susan up here will ya?! She's somewhere in this crowd.

//

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:22:28pm

re: #45 makeitstop

Islamophobia Network’s David Horowitz Responds To ThinkProgress By Calling Us ‘Fascistic’

Horowitz plays the Soros, Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR and fascist cards, all in one statement. Impressive in a really demented sort of way.

It doesn't take a lot to launch him into full-on frothing mode.

The full post by Horwitz is a real hoot....

Later today, Robert and I are going to respond. Along with our statement we will post a new pamphlet we have written called “Islamophobia: Thought Crime of the Totalitarian Future” which documents the creation of the term “Islam

49 Kragar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:22:35pm

Muammar Qadhafi wanted Dennis Kucinich to stop NATO bombing, report says

Muammar Qadhafi reached out to Kucinich (D-Ohio) in an attempt to persuade him to visit Libya as part of a “peace mission,” according to The Guardian.

Kucinich, a staunch anti-war advocate, was told that the Libyan government would pay for all expenses. The plan was that Kucinich would meet with senior regime officials as well as Qadhafi himself.

But as a letter from a U.S.-based lobbyist to the regime reveals, Kucinich decided not to go to Libya because he was “concerned that his personal safety in Tripoli could not be guaranteed.”

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:23:25pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Muammar Qadhafi wanted Dennis Kucinich to stop NATO bombing, report says

But as a letter from a U.S.-based lobbyist to the regime reveals, Kucinich decided not to go to Libya because he was “concerned that his personal safety in Tripoli could not be guaranteed.”

OK, good thinking Dennis.

51 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:23:33pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The full post by Horwitz is a real hoot...

LOL

You know who else did a lot of "pamphleteering" don't you?

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52 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:23:35pm

re: #43 Gus 802

Why color me surprised that you feel that way.

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because I don't pull any punches...it's not about the individual candidates, it's about the mindset of the voters....what they want and who they believe....75% of them shouldn't even vote, and if so the quality of leadership would skyrocket from the pathetic depth we are now wallowing in...BO is a rube, a fairly harmless neophyte if he keeps his mouth shut....Perry is a dangerous theocrat that quite possibly could storm DC and the WH....AmIdol politics, thanks America....you get what you pay for

53 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:24:53pm

after perry and the baggers have led them down into the hole, will wall st republicans revolt and try to take back the party?

54 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:26:55pm

re: #53 engineer dog

after perry and the baggers have led them down into the hole, will wall st republicans revolt and try to take back the party?

the 'hole' is in your mind, not theirs....is this scenario #18452

55 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:27:27pm

BRB

56 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:28:41pm

Why is the Tea Party infatuated by the guy who was Gore's campaign manager?

Do they really like Al Gore?

Or are they ignorant dumb-asses who don't actually care what someone actually is as long as they parrot the moronic talking points of the gibbering far-right?

57 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:29:34pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Horowitz' rice bowl is being attacked!

58 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:30:45pm

re: #54 albusteve

the 'hole' is in your mind, not theirs...is this scenario #18452

ja, hear me now und belief me later!

59 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:30:59pm

Spencer sez....

Another compromised authority that “Fear, Inc.” cites is Charles Johnson, the “Little Green Footballs” blogger who several years ago moved from the right to the hard Left, betraying his former friends and posting vicious and arguably libelous false charges about them. For “Fear, Inc.,” Johnson’s blog is “popular” and “right-leaning,” when in fact it is no longer either one.

60 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:31:22pm

Horowitz complaining about "Fascist like behavior." That's rich considering his views on professors whose political views he disagrees with. He'd be the same asshole he is now if he had remained a moonbat.

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:31:27pm

re: #44 Renaissance_Man

Yeah, seriously, it's not lack of intelligence that drives the Conservative cult. I fully believe that they have the same intelligence as the general population. It's the blinding desire to hate and the pleasure they take in bullying douchebaggery that separates them.

it's a certain personality, yeah, and the internet accelerates the ways those personalities find each other

62 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:32:31pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

betraying his former friends and posting vicious and arguably libelous false charges about them

"Arguably", except perhaps in a court of law. How's that lawsuit coming, Bob?

63 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:32:39pm

re: #56 Obdicut

Why is the Tea Party infatuated by the guy who was Gore's campaign manager?

Do they really like Al Gore?

Or are they ignorant dumb-asses who don't actually care what someone actually is as long as they parrot the moronic talking points of the gibbering far-right?

I see it more akin to a sporting event...pay big money, then cheer when everybody else does, oblivious to the game or how it's played...just there for an outing to be cool...fools

64 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:33:27pm

Hey all,

Still reading . . .

1.6 billion Muslims, Mothers, Fathers, kids, aunts, uncles, doctors, newspaper delivery guys and they all want one thing according to David Horowitz:

p87:
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n a speech at Brooklyn College, Horowitz said that Islam is a religion that "middle eastern Muslims are 'Islamic Nazi's' who 'want to kill Jews, that's their agenda,' and he added that 'all Muslim associations are fronts from the Muslim Brotherhood.'" Horowitz has gone evern further than his conspiracy-minded colleagues by alleging that Islamic extremism has infiltrated our education system, beginning in kindergarten.

I said it a few years ago and I'll say it now. I think most people regardless of any flavoring all want one thing. To have a safe home, healthy children and paid bills.

65 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:34:03pm

Hard left; deep bilge.

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:34:47pm

Spencer also confirms (in a round about way) that the numbers in the report are more or less accurate.....

The chief indication of that dishonesty is the wildly misleading presentation of financial data – making the sums involved appear much greater than they actually were by lumping together donations given to disparate organizations over a period of many years.

Basically the money is spread out around various front groups and fake organizations like the bogus "Muslims against Sharia" thing that has no Muslim members and is probably just Pam and Spencer.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:34:55pm

ahahahahahahahahaha

heehee someone want to imagemacro this thing up

"OBJECTION! WHITEY IS TALKING!"

68 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:35:34pm

re: #47 Gus 802

The Tea Party is not about being a Republican or a Democrat! Why we even have a Democrat in our group. Hey Harold! Get Susan up here will ya?! She's somewhere in this crowd.

//

Harold last voted for a Democrat in 1964 (and he regrets that) and Susan last voted Dem for Scoop Jackson.

69 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:35:46pm

re: #56 Obdicut

Why is the Tea Party infatuated by the guy who was Gore's campaign manager?

Do they really like Al Gore?

Or are they ignorant dumb-asses who don't actually care what someone actually is as long as they parrot the moronic talking points of the gibbering far-right?

Speaking of Manbearpig...

Gore: Eat less meat to fight warming

If he want's my steak, he'll have to pry it from my cold dead jaw.

70 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:36:11pm

Horowitz really is an obnoxious asshole. Here's a man who was in his youth probably more further left than 99% of the US population ever has been but suddenly decides he's not a leftist anymore so he becomes an equally obnoxious rightist. And what he, Geller, Spencer, and the other jerks engage with in regards to Muslims is no different than what was done to Jews, Catholics, and Japanese people in this country.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:36:47pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Horowitz complaining about "Fascist like behavior." That's rich considering his views on professors whose political views he disagrees with. He'd be the same asshole he is now if he had remained a moonbat.

some guys just need a schtick, an angle, a script to carnival-bark from, this is one of those guys

"Okay, so the role I'm now playing is...nativist right-wing blowhard! Got it!"

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:38:25pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of Manbearpig...

Gore: Eat less meat to fight warming

If he want's my steak, he'll have to pry it from my cold dead jaw.

It's cool dude, you can probably have all the steak you like, I like steak too!

But like gasoline, it's probably going to start costing more, since it's a tremendous sink of resources to raise giant animals to eat them

73 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:39:41pm

re: #72 WindUpBird

It's cool dude, you can probably have all the steak you like, I like steak too!

But like gasoline, it's probably going to start costing more, since it's a tremendous sink of resources to raise giant animals to eat them

No, it's going to cost more because the economy sucks.

74 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:40:12pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Spencer also confirms (in a round about way) that the numbers in the report are more or less accurate...

Basically the money is spread out around various front groups and fake organizations like the bogus "Muslims against Sharia" thing that has no Muslim members and is probably just Pam and Spencer.

Good eye. The carefully crafted phrase, "the wildly misleading presentation of financial data " avoids using words like "wrong" or "incorrect".

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:40:19pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

No, it's going to cost more because the economy sucks.

lol wut

76 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:41:46pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

some guys just need a schtick, an angle, a script to carnival-bark from, this is one of those guys

"Okay, so the role I'm now playing is...nativist right-wing blowhard! Got it!"

Pretty much yeah. You know I've long found it amusing how he and others who act like our campuses are hotbeds of leftism are curiously silent when it comes to cases like my own university's economics department, the one where students had to answer why the stimulus was bad for the economy- not why or why not mind you but why it was bad. Just another reason why I think those who complain about biased professors only give a crap if it's a bias they don't like.

77 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:42:25pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

No, it's going to cost more because the economy sucks.

Might be cheap for a short time as all the herds in the southwest are being sold off due to drought.

78 zora  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:42:51pm

from david brooks' column

President Rick Perry?

He does best among the most conservative voters. He has a simple and fashionable message: I will bring government under control. His persona is perfectly tuned to offend people along the Acela corridor and to rally those who oppose those people. He does very well with the alternative-reality right — those who don’t believe in global warming, evolution or that Obama was born in the U.S.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

79 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:43:19pm

re: #78 zora

from david brooks' column

President Rick Perry?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Basically Dave Brooks is saying that Perry does best with idiots.

80 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:43:35pm

p 89:

". . . .The blog is named after novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand's, Atlas Shrugged. The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged, and other Rand novels promote an extreme philosophy of selfishness and undiluted libertarianism, and are worshipped by the right wing -- and by Geller, who calls Rand "The greatest philosopher in human history" and says the goals of her blog are "clearly defined by Rand's philosophy."

You know, I've read quite a bit of Rand and don't see the resemblance. I LOL everytime any one ideology lays claims to any of her thoughts. Cherry picking at it's best.

81 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:43:51pm

Geez, stores 'round here look like a pack of wolves went at 'em, then the vultures went to work.

82 zora  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:43:54pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

and i agree.

83 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:43:54pm

From the .pdf:
"Horowitz has gone even further than his conspiracy-minded
colleagues by alleging that Islamic extremism has infiltrated our education system, beginning in kindergarten."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Crawling sharia!

84 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:44:12pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Good eye. The carefully crafted phrase, "the wildly misleading presentation of financial data " avoids using words like "wrong" or "incorrect".

or saying "it's an outright LIE."

85 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:44:30pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

Might be cheap for a short time as all the herds in the southwest are being sold off due to drought.

There's plenty of beef here in Virginia. The Whole Foods down the road has some beautiful large steaks behind the glass from local farms.

86 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:44:46pm

off again,

87 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:44:53pm

re: #83 jaunte

From the .pdf:
"Horowitz has gone even further than his conspiracy-minded
colleagues by alleging that Islamic extremism has infiltrated our education system, beginning in kindergarten."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Crawling sharia!

Yeah I remember hearing about that. He was already an asshole and that comment pumped him up to stupid asshole in my book.

88 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:45:16pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Good eye. The carefully crafted phrase, "the wildly misleading presentation of financial data " avoids using words like "wrong" or "incorrect".

I just took a skim of Pam and Spencer's sites and it's easy to forget all the different groups they start because the all come and go so fast. They dropped the Muslims against Sharia but they still have AFDI, SIOA, The Freedom Institute, The International Center for Freedom of Press, etc. Dozens of groups and the membership is always the same handful of people.

90 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:47:53pm

re: #85 NJDhockeyfan

There's plenty of beef here in Virginia. The Whole Foods down the road has some beautiful large steaks behind the glass from local farms.

If you're interested, you can find a great description of how cattle are raised in the US here. It's bad for the cattle, the land, and not great for the eaters of cattle. It can be done without those detriments, but it would cost more (and taste better, and be better for you).

91 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:48:11pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Basically Dave Brooks is saying that Perry does best with idiots.

he is irresistible to the baggers since he gives them an erotic thrill every time he says says one of those things that leaves 70% of the electorate wondering what kind of a moronic sociopath he is pretending to be

he is teabag crack

92 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:48:31pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

Heh, serves them right.

African Union will be getting karma here too.

93 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:49:21pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

lol wut

Keep in mind you are discussing this with someone who bases his ambiguous feelings on the issue of climate change on his personal observations over the past few winters.

94 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:50:15pm

re: #91 engineer dog

he is irresistible to the baggers since he gives them an erotic thrill every time he says says one of those things that leaves 70% of the electorate wondering what kind of a moronic sociopath he is pretending to be

he is teabag crack

Yeah pretty much. I do love that a guy who defended an anti sodomy law is being championed my a movement that claims that they're for small government and individual liberties. I guess those don't count if you're gay. Referencing Perry's stance on Lawrence Vs Texas for the record.

95 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:50:17pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

If you're interested, you can find a great description of how cattle are raised in the US here. It's bad for the cattle, the land, and not great for the eaters of cattle. It can be done without those detriments, but it would cost more (and taste better, and be better for you).

Well, whatever they're doing it's fucking delicious.

....................................

Gotta go back to work before that storm get's here.

Cheers!

96 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:51:09pm
TexasTribune Texas Tribune
New @teamrickperry Twitter feed — @perrytruthteam — will push back against critics of @governorperry #2012

TruthTeam FTW.

97 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:51:28pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Well, whatever they're doing it's fucking delicious.

...

Gotta go back to work before that storm get's here.

Cheers!

You didn't read the part about "would taste better", did you.

98 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:51:58pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

You didn't read the part about "would taste better", did you.

I did. I'm teasing you. Play along!

99 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:52:44pm

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

I did. I'm teasing you. Play along!

I'll work on it.

Nevermind. I'll go back to work.

100 Lidane  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:55:17pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of Manbearpig...

Gore: Eat less meat to fight warming

If he want's my steak, he'll have to pry it from my cold dead jaw.

Hate on him all you want, but he does have a point. Agriculture and the meat industry DO waste a lot of resources.

101 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:56:10pm

How's the peace process going?

GAZA militants have called their second truce in less than five days in an attempt to keep more than a week of hostilities with Israel from escalating.

I wonder if they mean it this time...

Despite ceasefire: Rockets hits western Negev

Islamic Jihad announces lull, but Gaza rocket fire continues as two Qassams explode in Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council Friday night; no injuries reported.

I guess that's a nope.

102 Meitantei  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:56:15pm

So, I'm too young to really know about the 1986 strike against Qadafi, but this article is pretty interesting:

[Link: www.irishtimes.com...]

An adopted daughter of Qadafi who was killed in that 1986 strike...... turns out to be alive this whole time.

Nice to see propaganda against us spectacularly backfire.

103 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:57:24pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez...

Hard left! LOL Right.

104 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 2:59:06pm

re: #100 Lidane

Hate on him all you want, but he does have a point. Agriculture and the meat industry DO waste a lot of resources.

It's a valid point and I say that as someone who loves meat and is having burgers tonight.

105 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:00:46pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

It's a valid point and I say that as someone who loves meat and is having burgers tonight.

I'm having steak tonight with garlic and olive oil on linguine. Mmmmmmm...

106 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:02:11pm

re: #100 Lidane

Hate on him all you want, but he does have a point. Agriculture and the meat industry DO waste a lot of resources.

...

What are you crazy it's not a valid point! Gore is going to take away our meat and I'll be damned if I'll let him! Don't forget that Barack HUSSEIN Obama has implemented every single idea that Al Gore has mouthed since taking office! All Gore has already done enough damage to our traditional lifestyles!!11ty

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:02:41pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

If you're interested, you can find a great description of how cattle are raised in the US here. It's bad for the cattle, the land, and not great for the eaters of cattle. It can be done without those detriments, but it would cost more (and taste better, and be better for you).

I dearly love lean grass finished beef. Much nicer flavor than corn fattened beef ever has.

108 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:04:26pm

re: #100 Lidane

Hate on him all you want, but he does have a point. Agriculture and the meat industry DO waste a lot of resources.

i am as guilty as anybody else, but the fact is that ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution we've been digging ourselves into an ever deeper ecological hole

109 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:05:00pm

Now I'm really going this time.

To everyone on the east coast...Be Safe!

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:05:53pm

OT but it better not be rainy as hell here tomorrow. Have to move back in to school for one last semester. Glad that this is going to be my last time doing this. Not that it hasn't been fun but it's time to get a degree.

111 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:09:12pm

Farm subsidies goes into the meat production cycle which includes everything from grain subsidies, feed, and ranching. So basically every time you purchase meat you're enjoying an artificially lower price because it's subsidized by the Federal government. Adding to this, and unlike other forms of farming and ranching, the beef industry also enjoy a great deal of support from the BLM for grazing purposes.

112 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:14:14pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Farm subsidies goes into the meat production cycle which includes everything from grain subsidies, feed, and ranching. So basically every time you purchase meat you're enjoying an artificially lower price because it's subsidized by the Federal government. Adding to this, and unlike other forms of farming and ranching, the beef industry also enjoy a great deal of support from the BLM for grazing purposes.

I eat a filet twice a year, and never order steak when I'm out...and burger of course...I never understood the addiction to beef, or any meat for that matter....quality beef is an all around loser, as you just stated, and like diamonds it's all artificial, market wise

113 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:17:08pm

We found NOAA radio on our internet tuner. Very weird.

All robo-voices, not a human to be heard. But the funny thing is they keep switching back and forth between male and female robo-voices, like they've got some kind of team going. :)

114 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:20:17pm

re: #20 ralphieboy

Then, quite simply, the weaker the economy and our sense of national security and personal safety, the stronger his mesasge will come across.

Count on gasoline prices to rise to record highs next summer, peaking in late October/early November, accompanied by a spate of articles about hos Obama is "dragging his feet" on developing more domestic supplies.

Count on food prices going up, and a lot of rhetoric on how Obama's policies hurt the American farmer, etc.

That is just the sort of thing that will squeeze those at the bottom of the income scale the hardest...

Conspiracy theories, here we go. Gasoline prices rise EVERY summer. They rise because demand rises. They fall back, generally, as the driving season tails off. The overall trend is up, because supplies are getting tight and world demand grows as China, India, and others industrialize. Do you expect a conspiracy by the oil refiners, to unfold in October and November 2012, preventing the usual seasonal drop?

True or false: Obama has encouraged domestic exploration for oil, giving the go-ahead for further development of North Slope oil and offshore drilling?

True or false: requiring yet more corn-derived ethanol in gasoline diverts corn from food uses, thereby driving up the price of food.

True or false: Republicans control the weather and have it in their power to stop the drought now hammering food production in the American southwest.

True or false: Republicans control the price of tea in China, and could, but will not, stop the other droughts such as the one that's curtailing the Russian wheat harvest to something like 60% of the previous year's crop.

You see what camels we must swallow if we're to take seriously your assertion that rising food prices and rising gasoline prices cannot in any way be tied to Obama, but can be tied to Republicans, who enjoy miraculous power for ill.

In reality, Obama has a little say in what happens, and Republicans have still less. Neither party gets a vote on the weather, not unless we count votes cast now that show up in results decades later.

Most of what drives food prices goes on outside the control of any president or party. There are two exceptions. The first exception is that the Fed determines the inflation rate. They can make it go as high as they like, and if they choose a high inflation rate, food prices will inflate along with the general run of prices. The president has a lot of say in this decision about inflation; Republicans know what they'd like but they don't have much of a voice.

The second exception is that it's a political decision how much food to burn as fuel. The moral course is to forget about corn-derived ethanol. The net CO2 effect is backwards from what we want when all sources of emissions connected to the production of corn are taken into consideration, and the human effect is to destroy food that, going by the market price of corn, would be much appreciated as food. (Directly, or by way of feedlots.) The Obama administration has decided to mandate increased use of corn-derived ethanol.

It is the accumulation of errors in this vein, and not any conspiracy, that threatens to throw the presidency to Perry, a man who shouldn't have the office and shouldn't have been granted an opening to a shot at it.

115 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:22:15pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez...

Charles Johnson, the “Little Green Footballs” blogger who several years ago moved from the right to the hard Left, betraying his former friends and posting vicious and arguably libelous false charges about them.

*snort* "Arguably libelous false charges"? Seriously? If they're false then they're libelous, if they're true then they're not—nothing arguable there that I can see. I wonder why no one has sued Charles for libel yet? Hmm....

116 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:22:59pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

"Arguably", except perhaps in a court of law. How's that lawsuit coming, Bob?

GMTA—heh, I didn't see you response before posting mine.

117 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:23:16pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

*snort* "Arguably libelous false charges"? Seriously? If they're false then they're libelous, if they're true then they're not—nothing arguable there that I can see. I wonder why no one has sued Charles for libel yet? Hmm...

Hah!
I'd love to see a judge smack Spencer down in such a suit.

118 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:23:46pm

Odd, the quote block failed.
I blame Bush.

119 Spocomptonite  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:24:01pm

LOL, the #1 candidate of those who do not support the Tea Party is "I don't give a f***."

120 zora  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:32:08pm

re: #102 Meitantei

this is from february and says a girl was killed but that she was not gaddafi's daughter. so much propaganda, so little time. it's a mess to figure out.

NBC’s Mitchell Regurgitates Gaddafi Lies

On Monday’s NBC Nightly News, reporter Andrea Mitchell said Libya was “accused of bombing a Berlin nightclub frequented by U.S. soldiers” and that “Ronald Reagan retaliated, ordering an air strike against Gaddafi’s tent, accidentally killing his young daughter. Gaddafi escaped unharmed.”

Mitchell showed Gaddafi visiting someone in a hospital.

Mitchell had also flashed a photo of Gaddafi standing next to a girl—the “daughter”—who looked about six or seven years old.

In fact, he had no daughter. It appears that Gaddafi “adopted” the girl after the strike in order to generate sympathy for himself after the raid. The phrase, “adopted daughter,” is the usual formulation that we found in reports about the raid. Mitchell omitted the “adopted” part.

[Link: www.aim.org...]

121 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:37:38pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Pretty much yeah. You know I've long found it amusing how he and others who act like our campuses are hotbeds of leftism are curiously silent when it comes to cases like my own university's economics department, the one where students had to answer why the stimulus was bad for the economy- not why or why not mind you but why it was bad. Just another reason why I think those who complain about biased professors only give a crap if it's a bias they don't like.

You take it as given that in economics, nothing is actually known.

If that's correct, then the problem isn't a biased question, it's the existence of an economics department. If that's wrong, then maybe one of the things that's known is that "stimulus" spending is actually bad for the economy.

122 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:47:19pm

re: #121 lostlakehiker

You take it as given that in economics, nothing is actually known.

If that's correct, then the problem isn't a biased question, it's the existence of an economics department. If that's wrong, then maybe one of the things that's known is that "stimulus" spending is actually bad for the economy.

"Economists" specialize in failing to predict the outcome of gambling on a game where many of the 'rules' are secret, at any rate can change at any time, and where everybody cheats

123 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:53:05pm

My take away from this -

24% of the GOP voters who have a negative feeling about the Tea Party are available - if Romney makes enough noises about being anti-TP, he could sneak this thing.

124 dell*nix  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 3:55:43pm

re: #65 jaunte

Hard left:Smells like durian.

125 dragonfire1981  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:01:08pm

What will happen depends on the answer to this question: How badly do the Republicans want to beat Obama?

Theoretically if they want it bad enough they'll support (in a general election) most any candidate with an R beside his or her name. If not, you get a split vote and Obama probably keeps the White House.

The point here is that Republicans might well be more comfortable with a Tea Party Presidency than four more years of Barack.

126 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:07:54pm

re: #125 dragonfire1981

What will happen depends on the answer to this question: How badly do the Republicans want to beat Obama?

Theoretically if they want it bad enough they'll support (in a general election) most any candidate with an R beside his or her name. If not, you get a split vote and Obama probably keeps the White House.

The point here is that Republicans might well be more comfortable with a Tea Party Presidency than four more years of Barack.

If Romney gets through courting none-teabaggers I will lay bets on a third party candidate backed by the Kochs and Club For Growth.

People were pissed at McCain not being conservative enough and picking Sister Sarah staunched a lot of the critiscim from the crypto-rightwing nutjobs, i think Romney winning gets a third party in to take his right flank away at a general.

Anyone but Romney or Huntsman gets killed with Independents.

127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:08:05pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

Conservatives are literally mentally handicapped children.

Or one worse, perfectly sentient adults who choose to live like frightened, tantrum-prone kindergarteners. Mentally handicapped children have an excuse - they are mentally handicapped, and children, after all.

128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:09:20pm

re: #123 wozzablog

My take away from this -

24% of the GOP voters who have a negative feeling about the Tea Party are available - if Romney makes enough noises about being anti-TP, he could sneak this thing.

It's totally possible. Somebody who smacks down the tea party or at least stands up to their stupid tantrums could do very well.

129 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 4:16:34pm

re: #128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's totally possible. Somebody who smacks down the tea party or at least stands up to their stupid tantrums could do very well.

They will get hit by negative ads - but hey, thats a plus, if everyone starts attacking them it means they are doing something right.

130 Dewd  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 5:13:05pm

The tea party movement was born out of the frustration of people who know that government spending is out of control. Rick Perry has the best economic record of all the candidates. They sent a clear message to Washington, stop spending. Surely, no one can defend the stimulus by now. It is not a revenue problem it is a spending problem. Spending a year on pushing through a heath care plan that is too expensive and a mojority of Americans did not want was irrisponsable to say the least. Can anyone say Jimmy Carter. People are fed up and want someone in charge with different ideas that have been shown to work. Maybe if we had a few less professors and and a few more people who have actally had to make payrolls as advisors we might have a better GDP and lower unemployment. Just a thought.

131 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 5:22:51pm

re: #130 Dewd

The tea party movement was born out of the frustration of people who know that government spending is out of control. Rick Perry has the best economic record of all the candidates. They sent a clear message to Washington, stop spending. Surely, no one can defend the stimulus by now. It is not a revenue problem it is a spending problem. Spending a year on pushing through a heath care plan that is too expensive and a mojority of Americans did not want was irrisponsable to say the least. Can anyone say Jimmy Carter. People are fed up and want someone in charge with different ideas that have been shown to work. Maybe if we had a few less professors and and a few more people who have actally had to make payrolls as advisors we might have a better GDP and lower unemployment. Just a thought.

Wow, 9 talking points and 4 misspellings in one paragraph! Good work!

132 Mark Winter  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 5:25:12pm

Fabulous slap down of Perry by Richard Dawkins:

A politician’s attitude to evolution is perhaps not directly important in itself. It can have unfortunate consequences on education and science policy but, compared to Perry’s and the Tea Party’s pronouncements on other topics such as economics, taxation, history and sexual politics, their ignorance of evolutionary science might be overlooked. Except that a politician’s attitude to evolution, however peripheral it might seem, is a surprisingly apposite litmus test of more general inadequacy. This is because unlike, say, string theory where scientific opinion is genuinely divided, there is about the fact of evolution no doubt at all. Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science, and he who denies it betrays woeful ignorance and lack of education, which likely extends to other fields as well. Evolution is not some recondite backwater of science, ignorance of which would be pardonable. It is the stunningly simple but elegant explanation of our very existence and the existence of every living creature on the planet. Thanks to Darwin, we now understand why we are here and why we are the way we are. You cannot be ignorant of evolution and be a cultivated and adequate citizen of today.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

133 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:54:30pm

re: #130 Dewd

Oh brother.

134 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:55:50pm

re: #130 Dewd

Perry never made a payroll.

135 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:53:14pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

How's the peace process going?

GAZA militants have called their second truce in less than five days in an attempt to keep more than a week of hostilities with Israel from escalating.

I wonder if they mean it this time...

Despite ceasefire: Rockets hits western Negev

I guess that's a nope.

When I announce a cease fire, that means you CEASE FIRE! ///

136 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:54:42pm

re: #126 wozzablog

If Romney gets through courting none-teabaggers I will lay bets on a third party candidate backed by the Kochs and Club For Growth.

People were pissed at McCain not being conservative enough and picking Sister Sarah staunched a lot of the critiscim from the crypto-rightwing nutjobs, i think Romney winning gets a third party in to take his right flank away at a general.

Anyone but Romney or Huntsman gets killed with Independents.

You really think the Kochs will work to ensure that Obama is reelected? This seems ---odd.

137 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:04:05pm

re: #130 Dewd

The tea party movement was born out of the frustration of people who know that government spending is out of control. Rick Perry has the best economic record of all the candidates. They sent a clear message to Washington, stop spending. Surely, no one can defend the stimulus by now. It is not a revenue problem it is a spending problem. Spending a year on pushing through a heath care plan that is too expensive and a mojority of Americans did not want was irrisponsable to say the least. Can anyone say Jimmy Carter. People are fed up and want someone in charge with different ideas that have been shown to work. Maybe if we had a few less professors and and a few more people who have actally had to make payrolls as advisors we might have a better GDP and lower unemployment. Just a thought.

Any fiscal problem can be solved by enough more revenue or enough spending cuts. There's no way, economically, to raise enough revenue to cover current spending. Taxes would have to go to unworkable rates to raise the required revenue, assuming taxpayers didn't react to the new rates. They would, though, and revenue would fall short of requirements.

There's no way, politically, to cut enough to cover the current shortfall. Popular social programs would have to be cut substantially, and the military would also have to take a big cut. The constituency for all those cuts is---who?

So there will have to be some mix of cuts and enhanced revenues. Popular social programs, the military, and taxpayers will all be nicked. Nobody will be happy.

Going along like there isn't a problem might make everybody happy, but the next credit downgrade will happen no matter what S&P says, if we do that.

There simply aren't any good solutions. So we have to choose the least worst. :-(

What makes you think Perry's the man to do that? This is a guy who airily blows off the threat of global warming. He's got his head so deep in the sand on that issue it's going to pop up in China any day. Is he the one to face up to dire fiscal problems?

Romney has faced, and resolved, dire fiscal problems with the Utah Olympics.

138 Nemesis6  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:35:04am

Reading a little about Huntsman, he seems wildly out of place on that list; That is to say he's the only non-cook on the list.

139 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:08:58am

re: #136 lostlakehiker

You really think the Kochs will work to ensure that Obama is reelected? This seems ---odd.

That Citizens United money has backed whackjob candidates before now. The GOP would have the senate if it wasn't for the nutz Club for Growth etc managed to pimp in Nevada and Connecticut.

Besides, the sucker brothers Koch will not lose who ever gets elected. They will remain filthy stinking rich, abortion will remain legal and prayer will stay out of schools.
They can't be opposing him on economic grounds, fiddling with marginal upper rates and an infrastructure bank is hardly the stuff of Maoism.

140 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:11:16am

re: #130 Dewd

Spending a year on pushing through a heath care plan that [...] a mojority of Americans did not want was irrisponsable to say the least.

You never read the polling then. 60% in Kaiser polls showed people favoured a public health exchange, even more for insuring young people - and even more for stopping exemptions based on pre-existing conditions.

When you can't even get that right - humbly - piss off.

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:53:29am

re: #114 lostlakehiker

lemme put it this way, if i had money to invest in gasoline price futures, I would bet on rising fasoline prices until November of 2012.
There are a lot of factors affecting gasoline prices, but one of them is speculative pressure, and I imagine there will be a lot of speculative pressure to drive them as high as possible until November of 2012.
The point is that they will probably rise and the rise will most definitely be blamed on Obama's energy policy.


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