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1 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 5:53:51pm

Look, we both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences aside...for Science...you monster.

2 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 5:58:46pm

There's a hole in her escape plan.

3 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:00:53pm

Irene looks like she's about to fuck New York City like a second cousin at Mitch McConnell's family picnic.

4 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:05:09pm

People out here are making fun

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

Back to the Asshat 1 who is blinking rain out of his eyes, it's frigging pouring: "Anderson, it's raining harder. BACK TO YOU."

5 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:06:35pm

re: #3 darthstar

Irene looks like she's about to fuck New York City like a second cousin at Mitch McConnell's family picnic.

Not very funny.

6 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:07:40pm

Irene looks to be losing strength as it makes it's way towards the coast, so we're hopeful here that what we'll just get is a rerun of Isabel, i.e. a lot of downed power lines, some homes damaged/demolished, and that's it.

Yeah, I know it's all rather wishful thinking, but considering that yesterday, they were predicting 115+mph winds upon landfall, it's not so impossible today.

7 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:10:50pm

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

Now it's Piers Morgan cutting to some other asshat who is GETTING BLOWN THE FUCK OVER.

8 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:11:12pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Not very funny.

Yes it is.

9 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:11:34pm

ha

10 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:12:20pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

Now it's Piers Morgan cutting to some other asshat who is GETTING BLOWN THE FUCK OVER.

Piers Morgan does the news in camo? Never watched this show before...

11 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:12:38pm

Tell me to stop, but it's hilarious.

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

Piers Morgan (after wet guy babbled unintelligibly): I can't hear you but I can see extraordinary scenes behind you. WTF? IT'S PITCH BLACK.

12 Sonoran Supposition  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:16:22pm

Effects are pretty darn good for an internet video. I do think the Portal series could be pretty amazing as a feature length film.

13 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:16:31pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

Hopefully this doesn't go funny to bad. The hilarity on the net, the day of the Quake was great. Read somewhere that the end of the world will find us all glued to our keyboards, phones etc. Like Pompeii.

14 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:16:53pm

All these computer generated images of clean, clear water gently covering New York City, its airports, its subways is really starting to piss me off. Did we learn nothing from Katrina and the real effects of massive flooding? Now, I'm not saying CNN or MSNBC need to add floating dead orcs, elves, or stock traders to their pictures, but don't do the 3-D images as if they're some kind of model in a swimming pool. Shit gets destroyed in storms like this. People need to board up and get the fuck out of the way, not wait for the gentle blue shadow to cover their car then disappear.

15 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:18:16pm

re: #14 darthstar

All these computer generated images of clean, clear water gently covering New York City, its airports, its subways is really starting to piss me off. Did we learn nothing from Katrina and the real effects of massive flooding? Now, I'm not saying CNN or MSNBC need to add floating dead orcs, elves, or stock traders to their pictures, but don't do the 3-D images as if they're some kind of model in a swimming pool. Shit gets destroyed in storms like this. People need to board up and get the fuck out of the way, not wait for the gentle blue shadow to cover their car then disappear.

personally, I'm bored with it...nothing has even happened yet

16 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:19:35pm

re: #15 albusteve

personally, I'm bored with it...nothing has even happened yet

And the disappointment the newscasters will feel if none of this comes to pass will be unbearable to support. I'll be damned if I'll give Wolf Blitzer a comfort hug because he didn't have a bunch of dead poor people to feign shock over.

17 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:19:39pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I am waiting for the storm here in Philly. Public transit will stop running at midnight on Sunday. I just got off the phone with my Dad. He promised he would call when things happen. I am not looking forward to this weekend.

18 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:20:26pm

So cool...hey Charles...I was able to fix a typo in my last post...great fuckin' new feature.

19 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:26:36pm

i hear this here hurricane is gonna be powerful enough to blow west 43rd st. back to V-J Day

20 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:27:19pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Irene looks to be losing strength as it makes it's way towards the coast, so we're hopeful here that what we'll just get is a rerun of Isabel, i.e. a lot of downed power lines, some homes damaged/demolished, and that's it.

Yeah, I know it's all rather wishful thinking, but considering that yesterday, they were predicting 115+mph winds upon landfall, it's not so impossible today.

Hoping for the best for you.

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:27:30pm

Also see: Turret Opera with Lyrics

22 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:28:08pm

re: #19 engineer dog

i hear this here hurricane is gonna be powerful enough to blow west 43rd st. back to V-J Day

Central Park will be in Pittsburgh

23 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:29:00pm

re: #19 engineer dog

i hear this here hurricane is gonna be powerful enough to blow west 43rd st. back to V-J Day

She's going to put the whores on 7th Avenue out of business.

24 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:29:58pm

See also: Escape from City 17, Part 2.

25 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:30:37pm

early tape of a young Charlie Daniels
very cool

26 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:31:21pm

re: #24 JasonA

See also: Escape from City 17, Part 2.

[Video]

With the storm coming, wouldn't Escape From New York be more fitting?

27 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:32:41pm

re: #25 albusteve

early tape of a young Charlie Daniels
very cool

[Video]

That's not Charlie Daniels...you fooled me into watching some classical fiddler...you dawg!

28 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:32:44pm

I look forward to the hysteria free weekend.

//

29 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:34:16pm

re: #28 Gus 802

Well, it's definitely time to panic.

My wife forgot to buy not only the salted capers, but also the martini olives.

30 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:34:33pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

With the storm coming, wouldn't Escape From New York be more fitting?

Snake Pliskin might need his surfboard from Escape from LA to get out of New York when he surge hits.

31 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:35:07pm

re: #27 darthstar

That's not Charlie Daniels...you fooled me into watching some classical fiddler...you dawg!

Itzy Perlman...greatest violin player alive
and I met him once

32 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:35:11pm

re: #28 Gus 802

I look forward to the hysteria free weekend.

//

Don't worry...they'll still cover the Republicans.

33 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:35:36pm

And now we go to the weather report on Irene:

//

34 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:35:48pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Well, it's definitely time to panic.

My wife forgot to buy not only the salted capers, but also the martini olives.

Damn it. One must have hors d'oeuvres when watching the little people drown.

//

35 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:35:54pm

re: #33 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And now we go to the weather report on Irene:

[Video]//

SPACE WEATHER!

36 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:36:06pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Well, it's definitely time to panic.

My wife forgot to buy not only the salted capers, but also the martini olives.

good one

37 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:36:13pm

re: #31 albusteve

That was a pretty good jam, actually...thanks for sharing.

38 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:36:16pm

Awesome video!!
The cake is a lie!!!

Part two of the Half Life fan-made "Escape From City 17" recently was released.

Here's Part 1

and new Part 2

39 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:36:34pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Well, it's definitely time to panic.

My wife forgot to buy not only the salted capers, but also the martini olives.

And FEMA isn't airdropping them as we speak?

Why does Barack Obama hate you people?

40 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:37:14pm

re: #38 Amory Blaine

*sigh*

41 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:37:37pm

Yay! Texas has volunteered to take nuclear waste! No more Yucca Mountain bitching and moaning in Nevada!

Thank you, Rick Perry for not giving a fuck about Texans!

42 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:38:13pm

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

We don't have a realistic picture of hurricane damage, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:38:21pm

Apple's App Store has added the Grand Theft Auto games in the last week, so I may be incognito this weekend.

44 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:38:48pm

re: #41 darthstar

Yay! Texas has volunteered to take nuclear waste! No more Yucca Mountain bitching and moaning in Nevada!

Thank you, Rick Perry for not giving a fuck about Texans!

huh?...there are regions of Texas yet discovered
fear not

45 darthstar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:39:41pm

re: #44 albusteve

huh?...there are regions of Texas yet discovered
fear not

Apparently, there will still be 14 feet of earth protecting the ground water from contamination...so there's nothing to worry about.

46 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:40:10pm

re: #43 Charles

Apple's App Store has added the Grand Theft Auto games in the last week, so I may be incognito this weekend.

But Charles, if you're playing GTA, and I'm without power, how will the members of LGF survive? Come on, man, think of the children!!

///

47 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:41:05pm

re: #45 darthstar

Apparently, there will still be 14 feet of earth protecting the ground water from contamination...so there's nothing to worry about.

have faith...do you like gladiators?

48 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:41:47pm

re: #45 darthstar

Apparently, there will still be 14 feet of earth protecting the ground water from contamination...so there's nothing to worry about.

That reminds me:

Japan will more than triple the number of regions it checks for airborne radiation as more contaminated “hot spots” are discovered far from Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s crippled Fukushima nuclear power station.

The government said it will increase radiation monitoring by helicopter to 22 prefectures from the six closest to the plant, which began spewing radiation after an earthquake and tsunami struck the station in March. The plan comes after radioactive waste more than double the regulatory limit was found 200 kilometers (125 miles) from the plant this week.

Authorities have refused to give a cumulative figure for radiation released from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant after estimating in June that fallout in the six days following the quake was equal to 15 percent of total radiation released in the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. The authorities have been too slow to widen airborne radiation testing, said Tetsuo Ito, the head of Kinki University’s Atomic Energy Research Institute in Osaka.

“The government should have expanded the monitoring area by helicopters much earlier to ease concerns among the public,” Ito said in a telephone interview yesterday.

Officials on Aug. 12 found compost in a kindergarten yard in Tokamachi city, Niigata prefecture containing radioactive cesium measuring 27,000 becquerels per kilogram, Kenichiro Kasuga, an official at the city’s disaster prevention department, said by phone.

Under Japanese law, waste measuring over 8,000 becquerels per kilogram must be treated as radioactive waste and can’t be buried in a landfill.

City officials found sludge measuring 18,900 becquerels per kilogram from radioactive cesium on the same day as part of tests done at 60 educational and childcare facilities, Kasuga said. The city government is storing the waste in drums until the government sets final guidelines for its disposal, he said.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

49 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:42:10pm

Escape From City 17 Part Three

50 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:42:18pm

re: #41 darthstar

Yay! Texas has volunteered to take nuclear waste! No more Yucca Mountain bitching and moaning in Nevada!

Thank you, Rick Perry for not giving a fuck about Texans!

Yeah. It's better to let the nuclear waste sit onsite at the power stations and then to have the NRC pay those power station operators billions of dollars a year for said storage. Most payments which are behind schedule.

51 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:42:46pm

re: #42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

We don't have a realistic picture of hurricane damage, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

lol she's killing me. The little flag??!!

52 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:43:12pm

Nuclear waste is just bad karma for the ages.

53 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:44:03pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

lol she's killing me. The little flag??!!

The news coverage of hurricanes is always hilarious. At least the build-up that is. Though there were some real hilarious bits after Katrina, when it seemed like every reporter was hamming it up.

54 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:44:05pm

re: #50 Gus 802

Yeah. It's better to let the nuclear waste sit onsite at the power stations and then to have the NRC pay those power station operators billions of dollars a year for said storage. Most payments which are behind schedule.

our nuclear waste program is a laughable disaster...how stupid can we get?

55 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:44:40pm

re: #47 albusteve

Why Steve, I didn't know you were a fan of Turkish prisons.

Image: airplane.jpg

56 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:45:23pm
57 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:46:13pm

re: #52 000G

Nuclear waste is just bad karma for the ages.

Well, we've got it and have to deal with it. If Texas wants to create a secure and isolated facility to hold it, then so much the better. This is something that has to get done, and if Rick Perry is willing to take the lead on this, then good on him.

58 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:46:14pm

re: #55 Obdicut

Why Steve, I didn't know you were a fan of Turkish prisons.

Image: airplane.jpg

that's unfactual...my hair is not white

59 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:47:01pm

re: #54 albusteve

our nuclear waste program is a laughable disaster...how stupid can we get?

Yucca Mt. could still work. But heck I don't know. These folks don't want nuclear plants. They don't want gas fired plants. They don't want coal fired plants. Some of them are even objecting to wind farms for aesthetic reason. There's also resistance to solar farms because of wildlife issues. I guess the future of American energy lies in Unicorns.

60 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:47:48pm

re: #56 000G

Wikileaks: Homeland Security invokes Patriot Act on Assange; seeks server data

I think that appropriate. Foreigners trying to hurt America are the people the Patriot Act was intended to stop. This seems a good use of it.

61 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:49:00pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

I think that appropriate. Foreigners trying to hurt America are the people the Patriot Act was intended to stop.

Hasn't done much to stop F'edup News. //

62 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:49:06pm

re: #59 Gus 802

I guess the future of American energy lies in Unicorns.

We could fire up the Empire State Building for 20 years if we could only capture rainbow light...

63 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:50:12pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Well, we've got it and have to deal with it. If Texas wants to create a secure and isolated facility to hold it, then so much the better. This is something that has to get done, and if Rick Perry is willing to take the lead on this, then good on him.

Yep. And most of us are burning coal right now to power our computers. Ironic isn't it? And coal kills 1000s more people per year than nuclear. But nuclear of course still has that emotional and irrational stigma. It's like comparing airline disasters to car crashes. The former being the safer mode of transportation. Fukushima is like an airline crash and coal is like 1000 more car crashes every single day. But wait! So I hear there's a magical answer to our energy needs other than coal AND nuclear.

64 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:50:44pm

re: #61 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hasn't done much to stop F'edup News. //

Not the same thing. Stealing classified information is illegal, spewing bullshit isn't. If it were, everyone in Congress would get life.

65 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:51:52pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Well, we've got it and have to deal with it. If Texas wants to create a secure and isolated facility to hold it, then so much the better. This is something that has to get done, and if Rick Perry is willing to take the lead on this, then good on him.

I don't think it's a question of "want". There are several good reasons for why "permanent repository" for nuclear waste is an absurd concept. Half life of radioactive material is one of them.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:52:50pm

Hey, all

back to reading the Fear, Inc report from the earlier thread. Am on Page 92. Nice bit about Crazy Pammy.

Rush signed for 400M/8 years with Clear Channel. Somehow, I didn't know that. Another one, laughing all the way to the bank.

How is everyone?

67 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:53:32pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Yep. And most of us are burning coal right now to power or computers. Ironic isn't it? And coal kills 1000s more people per year than nuclear. But nuclear of course still has that emotional and irrational stigma. It's like comparing airline disasters to car crashes. The former being the safer mode of transportation. Fukushima is like an airline crash and coal is like 1000 more car crashes every single day. But wait! So I hear there's a magical answer to our energy needs other than coal AND nuclear.

You see folks, Gus and I have different vies on many things. But one thing we agree on is that meeting our country's power needs involves trade-offs and careful thought. So we tend to oppose ostrich thinking, and when some one sticks their head in the sand we delight in kicking them in the butt.

68 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:53:37pm

re: #43 Charles

Apple's App Store has added the Grand Theft Auto games in the last week, so I may be incognito this weekend.

Rockstar has forsaken us lowly PC gamers. No Red Dead redemption, No GTA extensions. Bummer they were such a great company but they don't want my money.

69 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:55:04pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Yucca Mt. could still work. But heck I don't know. These folks don't want nuclear plants. They don't want gas fired plants. They don't want coal fired plants. Some of them are even objecting to wind farms for aesthetic reason. There's also resistance to solar farms because of wildlife issues. I guess the future of American energy lies in Unicorns.

I'm a can do guy...if you come to me and cry it can't be done, it's too hard, or I have to beware of a minnow...you're fired

70 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:55:04pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Rockstar has forsaken us lowly PC gamers. No Red Dead redemption, No GTA extensions. Bummer they were such a great company but they don't want my money.

Wait, what happened to the "Glorious PC Gaming Master Race" that Yahtzee told me about?

71 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:55:16pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Using coal actually produces more radiation, and distributes it far less safely, than nuclear power, too.

72 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:56:15pm

AngryBlackLady Imani ABL

RT @pamelajdunn: RT“@jeffjarvis: CNN is calling it "MONSTER STORM." #stormporn@AngryBlackLady // DEADLY KILLER MURDERATION STORM

73 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:56:33pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Using coal actually produces more radiation, and distributes it far less safely, than nuclear power, too.

two words...
Hyperion

74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:58:52pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Not the same thing. Stealing classified information is illegal, spewing bullshit isn't.

Put your feathers down, it was just a joke.

75 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:58:59pm

re: #73 albusteve

two words...
Hyperion

Three words:

Thorium fuel cycle.

76 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:59:35pm

re: #70 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wait, what happened to the "Glorious PC Gaming Master Race" that Yahtzee told me about?

Not sure but I watch all of Yahtzee's reviews and monitor Reddit's game threads. Absolutely nothing looks enticing enough for me to buy a game these days. Developers seem to think attaching insane graphics and their idea of a really important plot to a 1995 Doom architecture will sell. It holds no interest from me.

77 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:59:38pm

Where are our East Coasters?

78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:59:43pm

re: #73 albusteve

two words...
Hyperion

SHRIKE!

79 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 6:59:57pm

Oh wait, Obdi is here, sans capers.

80 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:00:05pm

re: #74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Put your feathers down, it was just a joke.

I'm a falcon, OCSP. I can't put my feathers down 'cause I'm flyin' baby! :D

81 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:00:45pm

Target is on the coast right? I need a real report!

82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:00:50pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

I'm a falcon, OCSP. I can't put my feathers down 'cause I'm flyin' baby! :D

More like an ostrich but whatevz.

83 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:01:03pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Where are our East Coasters?

WASHED OUT TO SEA!

Oh, the huge manatees!

84 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:01:05pm

3rd gen nuclear power IS going to happen...there is no excuse for us not to take advantage of our own, home grown tech and get the ball rolling...when we figure out the kinks then desalination is next....we have to do it

85 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:01:16pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Where are our East Coasters?

Sitting in the path of this bitchin' storm, sadly. And looking at 24-48 hours at least without power, starting sometime tomorrow.

86 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:01:22pm

re: #83 negativ

WASHED OUT TO SEA!

Oh, the huge manatees!

Oh, well played indeed.

87 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:02:47pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

Target is on the coast right? I need a real report!

A real report? Well, based upon all the forecasts so far, I'll sum it up:

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

//

88 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:03:01pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sitting in the path of this bitchin' storm, sadly. And looking at 24-48 hours at least without power, starting sometime tomorrow.

boo fucking hoo

89 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:04:26pm

re: #88 albusteve

boo fucking hoo

Well, I shouldn't say totally without power. Just no internet...or TV...or XBox...forced to read books and listen to my MP3 player.

Alright, it's better than last time. Thankfully.

90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:04:37pm

Newt the History Major?

p 97:

"G

ingrich in particular has made Sharia law his hobby horse. In September last year, for example, he told the audience at a Value Voters Summit in Washington, D.C., "We should have a federal law that says sharia law cannot be recognized by any court in the United States." Such a law will let judges know, Geingrich went on, that "no judge will remain in office that tried to use sharia law." These words prompted a standing ovation from the crowd."

I thought we did, the 4th Amendment or something.

91 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:05:27pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

You see folks, Gus and I have different vies on many things. But one thing we agree on is that meeting our country's power needs involves trade-offs and careful thought. So we tend to oppose ostrich thinking, and when some one sticks their head in the sand we delight in kicking them in the butt.

Typically I go another step further in saying we need to repeal the prohibition on recycling of nuclear waste. But people can choose. Do they want to accept the challenges of nuclear waste or face the potential of permanent damage to the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels. While solar and wind can supplement power generation they come no where near the capacity that can be provided through nuclear.

Nuclear also doesn't have the environmental limitations found in solar and wind. Solar requires long period of sunlight. It also requires vast areas of land. Are people willing to sacrifice desert wild lands for solar farm facilities? The same is true with wind outside of off shore wind farm facilities. But that's the other issue regarding the aesthetic issues. Are people willing to sacrifice their "views" of a particular ridge top or beach in favor of clean energy? There is also the potential issue of offshore wind farms inhibiting fish populations.

92 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:06:35pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Where are our East Coasters?

Reporting: Stocked up on water, candles, canned food, batteries for the radio, and GUNS & GOLD!

93 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:07:11pm

I'm so glad you guys are alive. /

94 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:07:56pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea
I am here. I am waiting for that darn storm. I got plenty of food. And a working cell phone.

95 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:08:13pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Typically I go another step further in saying we need to repeal the prohibition on recycling of nuclear waste. But people can choose. Do they want to accept the challenges of nuclear waste or face the potential of permanent damage to the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels. While solar and wind can supplement power generation they come no where near the capacity that can be provided through nuclear.

Nuclear also doesn't have the environmental limitations found in solar and wind. Solar requires long period of sunlight. It also requires vast areas of land. Are people willing to sacrifice desert wild lands for solar farm facilities? The same is true with wind outside of off shore wind farm facilities. But that's the other issue regarding the aesthetic issues. Are people willing to sacrifice their "views" of a particular ridge top or beach in favor of clean energy? There is also the potential issue of offshore wind farms inhibiting fish populations.

The prohibition on nuclear fuel recycling was one of the stupidest policies passed. We've been here, wigging out over the problem of storing all this waste, when we could have be reprocessing it for usage in a new generation of nuclear reactors.

96 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:08:14pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

Would you be interested in purchasing some quality water by Tuesday, hardly used?

97 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:08:30pm

re: #92 000G

Reporting: Stocked up on water, candles, canned food, batteries for the radio, and GUNS & GOLD!

too late for gold...you should have heeded Glens advice, instead you still mock buying gold

98 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:08:53pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, I shouldn't say totally without power. Just no internet...or TV...or XBox...forced to read books and listen to my MP3 player.

Alright, it's better than last time. Thankfully.

dude, you are rugged

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:08:56pm

There isn't much point in telling East Coasters to get ready for this emergency, because it's a bit too late.

If you're on the West Coast, September is emergency preparedness month. Time to take stock, stock up, and think ahead.

(Or, run around screaming and at least amuse the rest of us. Be useful.

100 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:09:43pm

Lol look at this stupid pos:

exas Gov. Rick Perry, a GOP presidential candidate, has signed an anti-gay marriage pledge from the National Organization for Marriage, the Associated Press reports. By signing the pledge, Perry has vowed to support a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage throughout the country; defend the Defense of Marriage of Act in court; appoint judges and a U.S. attorney general who “will respect the original meaning” of the U.S. Constitution; support legislation allowing D.C. residents to vote on whether to overturn the district’s same-sex marriage law; and appoint a presidential commission to “investigate harassment of traditional marriage supporters.”

Although Perry’s decision to sign the NOM pledge comes as no surprise whatsoever to us, the AP writes that it “repudiat[es] his earlier comments that marriage rights should be left up to individual states.” For a recap of all that, go here.

Dumb, stupid bigots. They would rather have a president pledged to Maggie Gallagher than this country.

101 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:10:04pm

re: #25 albusteve

Very nice video of Izhak Perlman. I know I misspelled his last name but he is so good on that Stradi of his.

102 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:10:16pm

re: #97 albusteve

too late for gold...you should have heeded Glens advice, instead you still mock buying gold

The guy's name is Glenn. Show some respect!

Also, yes, I do mock buying gold. Especially now. Selling it, not so much. Especially now.

103 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:11:11pm

re: #97 albusteve

too late for gold...you should have heeded Glens advice, instead you still mock buying gold

Buying now is dumb.
It's overpriced and likely to burst.
Selling, though, is good.

104 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:11:27pm

re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The prohibition on nuclear fuel recycling was one of the stupidest policies passed. We've been here, wigging out over the problem of storing all this waste, when we could have be reprocessing it for usage in a new generation of nuclear reactors.

It was born out of nuclear security paranoia. I don't know why it would be so different to keep track of those materials much like they do everywhere else. It's an old law that needs to be repealed.

105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:12:00pm

re: #90 ggt

Newt the History Major?

The history prof. Well, before Barton knocked him off that throne.

106 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:12:23pm

re: #98 albusteve

dude, you are rugged

Thinking that, before next season, I'm going to invest in one of those battery-powered routers. It's a sad thing to watch an internet addict go through withdrawal.

107 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:13:34pm

re: #101 PhillyPretzel

Very nice video of Izhak Perlman. I know I misspelled his last name but he is so good on that Stradi of his.

yeah...he's very special...he loves to dazzle the audience with flashy stuff...he loves to play and perform...he's very jovial, loves attention and even took time out to make me feel welcome in his world

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:13:42pm

If you live somewhere were power outages are routine and annoying:

Full disclosure: I know people involved in making and selling this product.

109 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:14:01pm

re: #96 000G

Would you be interested in purchasing some quality water by Tuesday, hardly used

I am beyond fine here in Southern California. Tomorrow 80's at the beach. The troubles.

110 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:14:23pm

re: #103 Varek Raith

Buying now is dumb.
It's overpriced and likely to burst.
Selling, though, is good.

well, duh?

111 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:15:26pm

re: #110 albusteve

well, duh?

Glad to be of service, citizen.
Captain Obvious AWAY!

112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:15:50pm

re: #106 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thinking that, before next season, I'm going to invest in one of those battery-powered routers. It's a sad thing to watch an internet addict go through withdrawal.

I can't wait for this.

113 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:16:06pm

re: #109 Stanley Sea

I am beyond fine here in Southern California. Tomorrow 80's at the beach. The troubles.

Must...not...downding...must...resist...urge!

//

114 SDC  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:16:16pm

Very cool film; there is no cake.

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:17:48pm

re: #109 Stanley Sea

I am beyond fine here in Southern California. Tomorrow 80's at the beach. The troubles.

You might run out of lemonade. You could get sand in your fajita.

That would suck.

116 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:18:10pm

re: #103 Varek Raith

Buying now is dumb.
It's overpriced and likely to burst.
Selling, though, is good.

I'll take this as the, it wasn't really the end of the world gold buying, it was get in and get out with a profit buying... Weird how they couldn't do it without the snake oil. If the snake oil wasn't involved, do you think gold would have performed the same?

117 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:18:55pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

Glad to be of service, citizen.
Captain Obvious AWAY!

lost my little Buzz Lightyear guy in my divorce 7 years ago...I still weep for the loss...
I liked that guy

118 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:20:52pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

I'll take this as the, it wasn't really the end of the world gold buying, it was get in and get out with a profit buying... Weird how they couldn't do it without the snake oil. If the snake oil wasn't involved, do you think gold would have performed the same?

poo...I collected gold for nearly 35 years...
I made a mint a couple of months ago....think big

119 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:22:45pm

NYC Hurricane: Obama Declares Emergency For New York As Hurricane Irene Approaches

The declaration means that the Homeland Security Department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency can coordinate disaster relief efforts. It also means the state can receive federal aid to supplement state and local emergency and cleanup assistance.

Can't wait to hear what Cantor's willing to go without so we can offset this.

120 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:23:25pm

re: #117 albusteve

lost my little Buzz Lightyear guy in my divorce 7 years ago...I still weep for the loss...
I liked that guy

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

121 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:24:11pm

re: #120 EmmmieG

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

yes!....that's Buzz!
Buzz come home!

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:25:02pm

P 117

"Sharia has also randomly turned up in a marriage vow pledge that Bachmann signed and was sponsored by the right-wing group The Family Leader. The pledge contains a provision to oppose Sharia law."

This the source reference:

The group, which spearheaded the successful campaign to unseat state supreme court judges who had voted to legalize gay marriage, has been courted by candidates like Michele Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty as a way of tapping into the state's huge bloc of conservative Christian caucusgoers. What's in the pledge? Here's a quick rundown:

Presidential candidates who sign The Marriage Vow will sign off on support of personal fidelity to his/her spouse, appointing faithful constitutionalists as judges, opposition to any redefinition of marriage, and prompt reform of uneconomic and anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and divorce law. The Marriage Vow also outlines support for the legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), humane efforts to protect women and children, rejection of anti-women Sharia Islam, safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. military personnel, and commitment to downsizing government and the burden upon American families.

The document itself gets more specific. Point 5 begins with a "Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex..." Point 9 rejects "forms of pornography and prostitution, infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence."

123 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:30:19pm

re: #118 albusteve

poo...I collected gold for nearly 35 years...
I made a mint a couple of months ago...think big

Yes, but interesting about the newcomers. Would gold preform the same without the snake oil?

124 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:30:37pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards. I hope to be back on tomorrow.

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:30:56pm

p 120

"In April, an anti-Sharia bill was introduced in North Carolina. As with virtually all other states considering such laws, the sponsors of the legislation could not come up with an example of Sharia infiltrating their state courts. In addition, Pennsylvania is now in the cross-hairs of anti-Islam activist Robert Spencer, who pointed to the disposition of an inheritance case based upon Islamic religious law (because the deceased was Muslim and had called for that in his will) as evidence of creeping Sharia."

126 albusteve  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:32:39pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Yes, but interesting about the newcomers. Would gold preform the same without the snake oil?

beats me...I don't pay much attention to the MSM...I'm not a media kinda guy

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:33:13pm

still p120

"Never mind that a recent American Civil Liberties Union report noted that anti-Sharia crusaders have failed to demonstrate a single case of Sharia infiltrating U.S. courts. That is not the point, of course. The point is to create a distracting, fear-based atmosphere in which conservatives are brave patriots and strong on defense, while liberals are weak and politically correct. Using such a fram has helped conservatives win."

128 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:33:50pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Yes, but interesting about the newcomers. Would gold preform the same without the snake oil?

Well, it wouldn't be as slippery.

129 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:34:09pm

stolen innocence

well, go ask the demons and fairies to give it back

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:35:35pm

p125

Across the globe, there are terrorists killing in the name of Islam, but a new study from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point Military Academy shows that al Qaeda attacks kill eight times more Muslims than non-Muslims.

131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:38:51pm

re: #127 ggt

still p120

"That is not the point, of course. The point is to create a distracting, fear-based atmosphere in which conservatives are brave patriots and strong on defense, while liberals are weak and politically correct. Using such a fram has helped conservatives win."

Yeah and look what they've won: tea parties, total crankodoodles for presidential candidates making vows to one or two wingnuts over the country, and complete with cowering, bedwetting, nervous, enraged constituents.

Conservatives are getting exactly what they deserve.

132 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:42:07pm

re: #130 ggt

p125

A fact that both the Bush and and Obama have used to show Al Qaeda's depravity. But the worst haters will never admit it.

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:42:13pm

p126

President George W Bush, of course, drew a distinct line between radical Islamist groups who seek to kill Americans and the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims at home and abroad. He also stood up to the Islamophobia network with his outreach to American Muslims during his presidency.

New Jersey Governor Christ Christie is doing the same.

. . . .

(Herman) Cain's experience is instructive. Once he detached himself from the web of the Islamophobia network, he encountered American Muslims who shattered many of the false impressions and stereotypes he held. Cain also regained his place supporting American values and religious liberty, freedom and equal justice under the law

. . .

Such unchecked bullying by the misinformation experts should not be tolerated. Our nation needs more responsible conservatives to stand side by side with progressives to safeguard our national security and uphold America's core values of religious freedom and respect for ethnic diversity. . . ."

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:43:45pm

Overall a well done report. Some minor spelling type stuff.

I thought the report was even-handed. Giving credit where due and stating organizations that do good work, but have factions that are using funds to support fear and hate.

135 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:43:56pm

"Is it Friday night already?"
-Kevin Pollak, The Usual Suspects

Republican Politician Naked, Bending Over on Gay Sex Site

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:48:58pm

This fear of Sharia really freaks me out a bit.

I mean, the Founders specifically recognized the idiocy of State sponsored religion. They lived under it all their lives.

What idiot doesn't think the Establishment Clause wouldn't apply to Sharia as well.

I know, idiots who believe whatever the pundits (liars) tell them.

137 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:49:56pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Holy crap.

Obviously just as much will be made of this as was of Weiner.

Or not.

Sadly, it won't be so much because he's Republican, but because he's Puerto Rican, and most Americans kind of forget about Puerto Rico.

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:52:32pm

re: #137 Obdicut

Holy crap.

Obviously just as much will be made of this as was of Weiner.

Or not.

Sadly, it won't be so much because he's Republican, but because he's Puerto Rican, and most Americans kind of forget about Puerto Rico.

Because you see, homosexuality isn't real. Men, unchecked by a really oppressive religious government will fuck anything they can. Sex with other men, animals, vacuum cleaners . . .it's just a vice. What else do you expect in a society in which women walk around leaving nothing to the imagination, can drive and be bosses in the workplace?

//////gah

139 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:53:13pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

"Is it Friday night already?"
-Kevin Pollak, The Usual Suspects

Republican Politician Naked, Bending Over on Gay Sex Site

From the comments:

atlasfugged
Fri 26 Aug 2011 4:33 PM
I can't see how this doesn't taint the GOP's image among Puerto Ricans.

Image: bwahaha.jpg

140 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:53:28pm

re: #117 albusteve

lost my little Buzz Lightyear guy in my divorce 7 years ago...I still weep for the loss...
I liked that guy

An action figure or a bong?

141 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:54:52pm

This is cool:

NASA / NOAA GOES-13 satellite image showing earth on August 26, 2011 at 14:45 UTC (10:45 a.m. EDT). Hurricane Irene can been seen on the U.S. East Coast.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

142 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:57:03pm

The Fear, Inc Report gave quite a bit of praise to George W Bush and little, if any, to Obama.

Of course, Obama is the target.

I think the praise to GWB might cause some heads to explode, tho.

I have to give GWB credit for it tho. I think in that respect he tries to live his values.

143 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 7:57:26pm

re: #140 prairiefire

An action figure or a bong?

I vote for the bong.

144 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:00:37pm

re: #140 prairiefire

An action figure or a bong?

These things are mutually exclusive?

145 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:04:26pm

alan333 "Sent from my iPhone." Sister went to the supermarket, Greenwich CT: [Link: brizzly.com...]

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:04:29pm

re: #144 prononymous

These things are mutually exclusive?

Nothing is mutually exclusive if you have the bong first.

147 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:07:27pm

Massively OT, but I found this on Wikipedia concerning the reaction in China to Bin Laden's death.

An online poll of 500,000 Chinese citizens, conducted by Phoenix Television indicated that sixty percent agreed that bin Laden's death was a sad event because "he was an anti-US warrior".

148 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:10:07pm

Well, more good news, bad news.

Bad news is that Irene looks to have stabilized at around 90-100mph winds in the near future. And they're still projecting sustained winds of at least 85mph here.

Good news is that she's begun to swing NNE, with the new track going further and further east of us. If that trend continues, then it's a very good chance that we'll miss the brunt of those high winds. It's going to be bad, but compared to what they were predicting even 12 hours ago, it's a lot better for us here.

149 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:10:42pm

re: #143 ggt

I vote for the bong.

It will crush our vision if it's the action doll.

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:11:49pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

It will crush our vision if it's the action doll.

There is a vision?

of what?

colors?

151 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:12:48pm

Like A Hurricane

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:13:23pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

It will crush our vision if it's the action doll.

If there is a vision, that was some bong!

153 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:13:30pm

re: #150 ggt

There is a vision?

of what?

colors?

Lol, of badass Steve. I mean, Buzz Lightyear, involved with a divorce?

154 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:14:00pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

Lol, of badass Steve. I mean, Buzz Lightyear, involved with a divorce?

Somethings I just don't ask about.

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:14:29pm

bbiab

156 Kragar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:15:14pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

"Is it Friday night already?"
-Kevin Pollak, The Usual Suspects

Republican Politician Naked, Bending Over on Gay Sex Site

Tone my grundle

157 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:15:47pm

#DamascusRises currently on twitter

158 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:15:59pm

re: #148 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, more good news, bad news.

Bad news is that Irene looks to have stabilized at around 90-100mph winds in the near future. And they're still projecting sustained winds of at least 85mph here.

Good news is that she's begun to swing NNE, with the new track going further and further east of us. If that trend continues, then it's a very good chance that we'll miss the brunt of those high winds. It's going to be bad, but compared to what they were predicting even 12 hours ago, it's a lot better for us here.

Glad to hear that.

159 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:16:26pm

re: #151 jaunte

Like A Hurricane

[Video]

Only if that hurricane rocks us...

160 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:18:18pm

re: #147 ProLifeLiberal

Massively OT, but I found this on Wikipedia concerning the reaction in China to Bin Laden's death.

Online poll. That's about as scientific as Ron Paul. ;)

161 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:18:52pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

"Is it Friday night already?"
-Kevin Pollak, The Usual Suspects

Republican Politician Naked, Bending Over on Gay Sex Site

Merely having his luggage carried.

162 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:19:15pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Online poll. That's about as scientific as Ron Paul. ;)

It's almost sad how much of a joke Ron Paul has become...almost.

163 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:19:36pm

re: #160 Gus 802

I vote for Doctor Dr. Paul thousands and thousands of times, every time!

164 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:20:43pm

re: #163 jaunte

I vote for Doctor Dr. Paul thousands and thousands of times, every time!

Apparently there are something like eleventy-billion Ron Paul followers around the world.

//

165 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:21:51pm

re: #163 jaunte

I vote for Doctor Dr. Paul thousands and thousands of times, every time!

Vote early, vote often!

/

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:22:12pm

re: #129 engineer dog

stolen innocence

well, go ask the demons and fairies to give it back

I just got the reference (it was mine!).

Yep, how do you legislate such things?

167 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:23:47pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Online poll. That's about as scientific as Ron Paul. ;)

Online polls only measure how committed the winning side is to stuffing the online ballot box. It's like a Chicago election. ;)

168 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:24:05pm

Seems like no matter what you Google, Ron Paul will invariably show up in that search. Well, at least it seemed like that to me back in the 00s.

169 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:24:28pm

High Water Everywhere - Charley Patton

170 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:28:25pm

Ooooo. Ahhhhh.

Image: 582179main_image_2046_1600-1200.jpg

That's the Orion CM. OK, so they really call it a "MPCV, or Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle."

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:29:25pm

The puppy has developed a taste for shoes.

MY SHOES.

and ONLY my shoes.

172 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:29:33pm

New version: High Water Everywhere - Joe Bonamassa

173 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:30:07pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Apparently there are something like eleventy-billion Ron Paul followers around the world.

//

Ron Paul fanatics are, in my view, distant but taxonomically important relatives to hardcore fans of the band Tool.

I can emit a lengthy diatribe in support of this notion. Consider that a threat.

174 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:31:55pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Oooo. Ahhh.

Image: 582179main_image_2046_1600-1200.jpg

That's the Orion CM. OK, so they really call it a "MPCV, or Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle."

30+ years of shuttle flights, just to stop and realize that the Apollo program had it right the first time around. Figures, doesn't it?

175 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:33:46pm
176 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:34:03pm

re: #173 negativ

This thread needs a good diatribe.

178 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:36:11pm
179 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:37:28pm

re: #178 Gus 802

How could people not know what happened to Galveston in 1900?

//

Well, to be perfectly honest, I knew nothing about the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 until I saw a show about it on the Weather Channel a couple years back.

180 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:37:38pm

re: #178 Gus 802

re: #177 negativ

Does Ron Paul have a Twitter?

181 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:39:55pm

re: #179 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, to be perfectly honest, I knew nothing about the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 until I saw a show about it on the Weather Channel a couple years back.

Yeah. Who knows. Maybe some of us only know of it because of Glen Campbell. ;)

182 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:39:55pm

re: #180 ProLifeLiberal

Yes: [Link: twitter.com...]

183 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:40:13pm

re: #180 ProLifeLiberal

re: #177 negativ

Does Ron Paul have a Twitter?

Probably. Or one of his aids.

184 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:41:01pm

I would bet this pan of brownies that most Americans (excluding natives of Wisconsin) cannot name the worst fire (in terms of lives lost) in US History.

185 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:41:18pm

re: #181 Gus 802

"I see her tar balls gleaming in the sun,
on Galvestunnn..."

186 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:41:19pm
187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:41:37pm

re: #177 negativ

Luap Nor thinks FEMA isn't necessary; says we should be like Galveston was in 1900.

Google "Galveston 1900" for the punchline.

Just the word Galveston invokes auditory memories of Glenn Campbell.

THE HORROR!

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:42:28pm

re: #184 EmmmieG

I would bet this pan of brownies that most Americans (excluding natives of Wisconsin) cannot name the worst fire (in terms of lives lost) in US History.

What kind of brownies?

189 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:42:29pm

re: #187 ggt

Just the word Galveston invokes auditory memories of Glenn Campbell.

THE HORROR!

Hey! Watch it! ;)

190 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:42:37pm

re: #183 Gus 802

I have an idea. Wikipedia and Google have a collection of Pictures from the 1900 Galveston Hurricane's aftermath.

I say, we post bunch of things in the following format:

A question about what Paul would do (or similar), and a link to a picture.

191 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:42:42pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Glen Campbell - Galveston

[Video]

I could down-ding you for that.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:43:20pm

re: #189 Gus 802

Hey! Watch it! ;)

NO

193 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:43:23pm

re: #186 Gus 802

I had forgotten that line
"I clean my gun, and dream of Galveston."

194 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:43:38pm

re: #188 ggt

What kind of brownies?

I sprinkled Heath bits on top.

195 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:43:54pm

re: #178 Gus 802

How could people not know what happened to Galveston in 1900?

//

Anyone who hasn't read Isaac's Storm.

196 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:43:55pm

re: #193 jaunte

I had forgotten that line
"I clean my gun, and dream of Galveston."

Yeah. I just noticed that line too. Woot! lol

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:44:12pm

re: #194 EmmmieG

I sprinkled Heath bits on top.

oh

198 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:44:19pm

re: #184 EmmmieG

The Peshtigo Fire.

2,500 Dead. Same time as the Chicago Fires and two others in Michigan, one of which wrecked the town of Holland.

199 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:44:48pm

re: #191 ggt

I could down-ding you for that.

Coming up next! Donna Fargo. Followed by Jeannie C. Riley.

200 andres  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:44:55pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Irene looks to be losing strength as it makes it's way towards the coast, so we're hopeful here that what we'll just get is a rerun of Isabel, i.e. a lot of downed power lines, some homes damaged/demolished, and that's it.

Yeah, I know it's all rather wishful thinking, but considering that yesterday, they were predicting 115+mph winds upon landfall, it's not so impossible today.

The most dangerous part of an hurricane or storm isn't the wind; it's the rain.

201 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:44:56pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Ah, released in 1969; it's a Vietnam war song.

202 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:45:31pm

re: #201 jaunte

Ah, released in 1969; it's a Vietnam war song.

Yep.

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:45:54pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Just for that

Is there any city this guy didn't write/sing a song about?

204 Firstinla  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:45:57pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Please don't

205 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:46:25pm

re: #198 ProLifeLiberal

The Peshtigo Fire.

2,500 Dead. Same time as the Chicago Fires and two others in Michigan, one of which wrecked the town of Holland.

Not the Tulips?

206 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:46:54pm

re: #203 ggt

Just for that

Is there any city this guy didn't write/sing a song about?

That's a cool song.

207 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:47:41pm

re: #200 andres

The most dangerous part of an hurricane or storm isn't the wind; it's the rain.

True, but the projected rainfall here is roughly in the same ballpark as what we got with the last Nor'Easter. And that flooded some of the streets close-by, but we stayed dry for the duration. Same for Isabel back in '03.

Only way I'm really worried about the rain is if we start losing shingles and spring a leak. In which case, Allstate is getting a call as soon as their local office opens back up.

208 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:48:14pm

re: #205 ggt

Not sure what that refers too.

In any case, Port Huron and Manistee Michigan also burned at that time as well.

I can honestly say I knew about that BEFORE the question was asked on here. ^_^

209 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:48:56pm

re: #200 andres

I disagree. Considering Katrina and Ike, the most dangerous part of a Storm is its Storm Surge.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:49:09pm
211 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:50:31pm

re: #209 ProLifeLiberal

I disagree. Considering Katrina and Ike, the most dangerous part of a Storm is its Storm Surge.

Hence why the cities in the path have put out mandatory evacuations for areas in the path of Irene that are subject to said surge. Everywhere else is basically under a "leave if you choose to, but if you stay, you're on your own for the duration" understanding.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:50:37pm

re: #208 ProLifeLiberal

Not sure what that refers too.

In any case, Port Huron and Manistee Michigan also burned at that time as well.

I can honestly say I knew about that BEFORE the question was asked on here. ^_^

Holland Michigan is the Tulip capitol of the US

213 andres  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:50:43pm

re: #207 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True, but the projected rainfall here is roughly in the same ballpark as what we got with the last Nor'Easter. And that flooded some of the streets close-by, but we stayed dry for the duration. Same for Isabel back in '03.

Only way I'm really worried about the rain is if we start losing shingles and spring a leak. In which case, Allstate is getting a call as soon as their local office opens back up.

If what happened after Irene in Puerto Rico is still true, expect a couple of days of heavy rains.

214 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:50:49pm

re: #209 ProLifeLiberal

I disagree. Considering Katrina and Ike, the most dangerous part of a Storm is its Storm Surge.

Well, with Hurricane Mitch, it was the rain that caused the floods and landslides that killed thousands.

215 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:50:52pm

Here's a song.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:51:28pm

bbiab

217 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:52:08pm

re: #184 EmmmieG

Sana Fransisco?

218 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:52:13pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Very true. Because of the topography. The area in question is fairly mountainous.

219 andres  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:52:52pm

re: #209 ProLifeLiberal

I disagree. Considering Katrina and Ike, the most dangerous part of a Storm is its Storm Surge.

I ought to have said "water" instead of "rain". :) It's not just the coast that's dangerous. Rivers are too, especially in the days after.

220 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:53:42pm

re: #215 ProLifeLiberal

World's most popular song with 'chunder' in the lyric.

221 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:54:25pm

re: #217 prairiefire

Sana Fransisco?

No.

222 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:55:13pm

re: #206 Gus 802

That's a cool song.

That's a great song. My dad used to sing it to us.

223 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:55:17pm

re: #213 andres

If what happened after Irene in Puerto Rico is still true, expect a couple of days of heavy rains.

Irene's picked up speed since it left Puerto Rico. They're talking that she'll be out of the area by around midnight Sunday night, with rainfall here right around 10", possibly 1'.

Trust me, as I said before, this ain't my first rodeo.

224 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:55:41pm

re: #187 ggt

Just the word Galveston invokes auditory memories of Glenn Campbell.

THE HORROR!

Hey, "Galveston" and "Wichita Lineman" are two of my favorite songs...

;-P

225 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:55:41pm

re: #218 ProLifeLiberal

Very true. Because of the topography. The area in question is fairly mountainous.

True.

In Libya, it looks the focus has shifted back to the East. The TNC is trying to get Sirte to surrender. Do think that will end up working or are the rebels going to have to blast their way in.

226 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:56:33pm

Katharine Hepburn, cleaning up after the hurricane of 1938 in Fenwick, Connecticut.
[Link: www.courant.com...]

227 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:57:09pm

re: #203 ggt

Just for that

Is there any city this guy didn't write/sing a song about?

My mother listened to all his crap, and I remember desperately hating this as strenuously as a 5 year-old can hate anything:

And that's pretty much all I know about Glen Campbell.

228 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:57:47pm

Freeborn Man

Mark O'Connor violin, Tony Rice guitar, Jerry Douglas dobro, Sam Bush mandolin, Mark Schatz bass and Bela Fleck banjo

229 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:57:59pm

re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Trust me, as I said before, this ain't my first rodeo.

That's what she said.

230 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:58:32pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Yeah. I just noticed that line too. Woot! lol

The song was, I've read, about a soldier in Cuba during the Spanish-American War of 1898. The soldier might have been from Galveston or else simply embarked from there to Cuba. Hence the martial imagery and the fear of not making it back home. It was a curious song, lyrically, to be a country hit in the middle of the Vietnam War.

231 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:58:55pm

re: #227 negativ

My mother listened to all his crap, and I remember desperately hating this as strenuously as a 5 year-old can hate anything:

[Video]And that's pretty much all I know about Glen Campbell.

Crap? You mean like hip hop or metal?

232 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 8:59:24pm

Have a safe Saturday, folks. KC Toy & Doll show tomorrow, yeah. Here's hoping I make some good finds.

233 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:00:28pm

re: #227 negativ

My mother listened to all his crap, and I remember desperately hating this as strenuously as a 5 year-old can hate anything:

[Video]And that's pretty much all I know about Glen Campbell.

"Rhinestone Cowboy" is meh, but not hate-worthy IMO..."Wichita Lineman" and even "Galveston" are much better.

234 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:02:48pm

re: #231 Gus 802

Crap? You mean like hip hop or metal?

I was thinking specifically of late 1970s corporate 'disco contemporary country' as exemplified by the video in my link and the likes of Ronnie Milsap.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:04:15pm

re: #227 negativ

My mother listened to all his crap, and I remember desperately hating this as strenuously as a 5 year-old can hate anything:

[Video]And that's pretty much all I know about Glen Campbell.

Interesting. My mother did too but that's why I never minded him.

I've become more fond of him of late. He put out an interesting LP of covers called "Meet Glen Campbell" This version of the Foo Fighters "Times like These" is from that.

236 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:06:11pm

re: #234 negativ

I was thinking specifically of late 1970s corporate 'disco contemporary country' as exemplified by the video in my link and the likes of Ronnie Milsap.

Two words: Urban Cowboy.

/John "Vinnie Barbarino/Tony Manero" Travolta as a cowboy wannabe...yeah, that's real believable ;-P

237 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:07:04pm

re: #234 negativ

I was thinking specifically of late 1970s corporate 'disco contemporary country' as exemplified by the video in my link and the likes of Ronnie Milsap.

Ah, OK.

238 andres  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:08:04pm

re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Irene's picked up speed since it left Puerto Rico. They're talking that she'll be out of the area by around midnight Sunday night, with rainfall here right around 10", possibly 1'.

I haven't been following Irene after she left PR. It was just a heads up at what happened here.

Well, stay safe everyone!

239 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:09:15pm

re: #234 negativ

I was thinking specifically of late 1970s corporate 'disco contemporary country' as exemplified by the video in my link and the likes of Ronnie Milsap.

Ah, so the kind of records that got destroyed at Old Comisky Park. :)

240 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:10:46pm

re: #235 wlewisiii

Interesting. My mother did too but that's why I never minded him.

I've become more fond of him of late. He put out an interesting LP of covers called "Meet Glen Campbell" This version of the Foo Fighters "Times like These" is from that.

[Video]

He was just recently diagnosed with Alzheimer's IIRC...that sucks.

241 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:11:01pm

re: #231 Gus 802

re: #236 talon_262

Two words: Urban Cowboy.

/John "Vinnie Barbarino/Tony Manero" as a cowboy wannabe...yeah, that's real believable ;-P

Eggs Zackly.

Let's compare:

This

vs.

That

242 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:11:15pm

Hiya Lizards!
Back home from the Lodge..Colts lost in the last second to the World Champion Packers...We looked pretty dang good without Peyton..
You Naysayers will be proved wrong..The Colts are a serious dark horse
Hope everyone is well tonight

243 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:13:00pm

re: #241 negativ

re: #236 talon_262

Eggs Zackly.

Let's compare:

This

[Video]

That last one. Yuck. It's like a Budweiser commercial.

244 freetoken  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:13:36pm

Food prices... will rise even more?

Crop troubles send grains surging

U.S. corn and soybean futures ended sharply higher Friday, climbing on a combination of crop concerns, outside market support and technical buying.

Corn futures for September delivery at the Chicago Board of Trade jumped 20 1/4 cents, or 2.8% to $7.55. December corn climbed 22 1/2 cents to $7.68, gaining 5.9% for the week.

Both corn and soybeans are being fueled by a hot, dry summer that has stressed the crop. Troubling reports from a major crop tour throughout the week reaffirmed traders' worries.

"The crop is bad, and it appears to be getting worse," said Joel Karlin, analyst for Western Milling, a California feed company.

Traders noted that the forecast for the rest of August remains relatively dry in much of the Midwest, which could cause further damage to soybean yield potential.
Much of the damage to the corn crop, which has an earlier growing season, is already done.

Professional Farmers of America on Friday forecast the U.S. corn crop at 12.484 billion bushels, well below federal expectations, raising concerns that the coming harvest won't replenish already-tight inventories.

The group, known as Pro Farmer, released its estimates after the close Friday, at the end of its annual tour through the U.S. corn belt. Tour findings are only one part of how Pro Farmer arrives at its forecast.

[...]

See also: IGC MARKET COMMENTARY which shows this year's corn and wheat consumption exceeding production.

245 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:14:17pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

Good Question.

I would lean towards fight, because this city has gotten a disproportionate amount of attention from Qaddafi, and is his hometown. His tribe, along with others aligned with his, are there. In addition, in the past week they have launched 6+ Scud Ballistic Missiles at Misrata. They won't go down easy, I think.

246 laZardo  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:15:08pm

SPOILER: THERE REALLY WAS A CAKE.

/also how is your evening

247 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:15:51pm

re: #238 andres

I haven't been following Irene after she left PR. It was just a heads up at what happened here.

Well, stay safe everyone!

Not a prob. I appreciate folks concern about myself, as well as all those lizards living on the East Coast who are either in the path of this storm or going to get pounded by it in the days to come. And I hope ya'll down there have a speedy recovery in the weeks and months that follow.

249 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:18:48pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Typically I go another step further in saying we need to repeal the prohibition on recycling of nuclear waste. But people can choose. Do they want to accept the challenges of nuclear waste or face the potential of permanent damage to the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels. While solar and wind can supplement power generation they come no where near the capacity that can be provided through nuclear.

Nuclear also doesn't have the environmental limitations found in solar and wind. Solar requires long period of sunlight. It also requires vast areas of land. Are people willing to sacrifice desert wild lands for solar farm facilities? The same is true with wind outside of off shore wind farm facilities. But that's the other issue regarding the aesthetic issues. Are people willing to sacrifice their "views" of a particular ridge top or beach in favor of clean energy? There is also the potential issue of offshore wind farms inhibiting fish populations.

I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice a square of desert 100 miles on a side. That would do the trick for solar energy, with room to spare. Quite possibly a smaller square would suffice, but let's think big. We could put that down in Arizona and not lose 10000 cattle.

Considering that millions of species are at risk from global warming, it's irrelevant that there may be an endangered creosote variant in that square.

I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice a view or two. Of course, I LIKE the look of those wind catchers. But if I didn't, so what? The stakes are too high to get all squeamish.

And I'm perfectly willing to see more nuclear power plants built, even if I think that some sort of Three Mile Island or Fukushima event is a real possibility. Again, consider the stakes. We will be losing more land to rising sea levels every year than we might, in our worst nightmares, make uninhabitable as a result of a nuclear incident.

We are to the point where, just as with our financial deficit, good options don't exist. There are difficult options galore. Blood, tears, toil, and sweat are our choices. We must rise to the occasion, grasp the nettle, and build what has to be built. We must do it right, which means lots of R&D now while we get our ducks in a row, followed, as soon as feasible, by trillions of dollars of investment. So long as the R&D is going swimmingly, and for now it is, it pays to hold off on building the things, except as a way to gain experience and competence for later larger scale construction. But once we hit the point of diminishing returns and cannot improve the efficiency of the current designs by something like 10% per year, it'll be time to ramp up to very large scale production.

250 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:19:35pm

re: #245 ProLifeLiberal

Good Question.

I would lean towards fight, because this city has gotten a disproportionate amount of attention from Qaddafi, and is his hometown. His tribe, along with others aligned with his, are there. In addition, in the past week they have launched 6+ Scud Ballistic Missiles at Misrata. They won't go down easy, I think.

NATO has all its airpower aimed at Sirte. They won't be able to launch another Scud. The question mark is the NTC force's ability to mount an urban assault.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:20:50pm

Throw my brain in a hurricane
The blind can have my eyes
The deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size.
-John Prine

(The only song I know all the words to that has the word "hurricane" in it.)

252 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:21:44pm

Unconfirmed, unverified:

A convoy of six Mercedes cars have crossed from Libya into Algeria, Egypt’s state MENA news agency reported on Saturday, quoting a rebel source.

It was impossible to verify the report and it was not immediately clear who might have been in any convoy, but MENA quoted the source as speculating that senior Libyan officials or Muammar Qaddafi himself and his sons may have fled the country.
[Link: english.alarabiya.net...]

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:22:08pm

re: #227 negativ

My mother listened to all his crap, and I remember desperately hating this as strenuously as a 5 year-old can hate anything:

[Video]And that's pretty much all I know about Glen Campbell.

OH GRAVEL!

That was a majorly successful movie at the time.

You know, it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime.

254 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:23:51pm

re: #184 EmmmieG

I would bet this pan of brownies that most Americans (excluding natives of Wisconsin) cannot name the worst fire (in terms of lives lost) in US History.

World Trade Center, 2001.

255 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:26:50pm

John Entwistle - Peg Leg Peggy

She has a sister with a mouth so wide,
she eats her dinner with the plate inside.

257 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:30:00pm

re: #252 jaunte

Unconfirmed, unverified:

Kinda wonder how that's going to work. Libya's embassy in Algeria has already pledged support to the rebel government, so it's a might difficult to claim that his is a government-in-exile.

258 freetoken  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:31:06pm

Livestream of an undersea robo-camera looking at a volcano off the Oregon cost:

[Link: www.ooi.washington.edu...]

Story is here:

[Link: www.nsf.gov...]

I think they are done for the day, but perhaps not.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:32:31pm

re: #258 freetoken

We gettin' a new State?

260 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:33:11pm

re: #257 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If (big IF) the report has any truth to it, he may just be trying to make it to a stash of valuables so he can try to disappear.
But that would be the sane thing to do.

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:36:01pm

re: #228 Gus 802

Freeborn Man

[Video]Mark O'Connor violin, Tony Rice guitar, Jerry Douglas dobro, Sam Bush mandolin, Mark Schatz bass and Bela Fleck banjo

singer looks like Robert Patrick with a long mustache.

262 Gus  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:38:05pm

re: #256 Gus 802

POV | Armadillo - Documentary Trailer - POV 2011 | PBS

[Video]

Film Description

By the time the new Danish documentary Armadillo screened in its native country and elsewhere in Europe — picking up acclaim and awards — the film had already set off a political firestorm. In this cinéma vérité portrait of a platoon of Danish soldiers fighting under NATO auspices in Afghanistan, the final dizzying, gut-wrenching firefight filmed by director Janus Metz and cameraman Lars Skree (and by a camera strapped to one soldier’s helmet) appears to show the soldiers executing wounded Taliban.

[...]

Armadillo sticks close to the soldiers, as jarringly captured in repeated scrambles for cover by Metz and Skree under audible fire. The film faithfully renders the soldiers’ point of view but, in true vérité fashion, neither approves nor condemns what happens, allowing the ambiguities and contradictions of the battlefield — and the soldiers’ evolving attitudes — to speak for themselves. What is clear is that the soldiers find a harsher climate and geography than anyone anticipated, and an enemy more determined and skilled than anyone told them to expect.

More critically, relations with local Afghan civilians quickly deteriorate. Giving food scraps to begging children and explaining to wary village elders that they are there to protect them earns the soldiers little good will. Afghans complain about fields, livestock and homes destroyed by the soldiers’ actions and say that it is the ISAF’s presence that is bringing the war upon them. They complain most bitterly about civilian deaths caused by the troops — and not without cause. A mortar spotter, Martin, mistakenly lands a grenade on a little girl. Even the children begin to chant, “Go home!” as the soldiers pass on patrol.

[...]

“With Armadillo, I was curious to explore how the micro level of war — where human interaction takes place — affects one of the greatest conflicts of our time,” says director Janus Metz. “I’ve always been interested in making films about people who go through life-altering experiences. This film involves a rite of passage where the men are ultimately faced with themselves and their own humanity — it is universal and basic. In the context of war and the young men who are fighting, I was interested in finding out how the perception of masculinity — the good, the bad, the civilized and the barbaric — is reflected in action and how these concepts are adapted in this coming-of-age story.”

Read it all.

263 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:39:20pm

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We gettin' a new State?

Yes. It's off Oregon, so they've already announced the state will be called Left Coast. The AFA have already set up a rally for Tuesday to denounce its "Godlessness" and Greenpeace condemned it for "the worst environmental record of any state."

//

264 freetoken  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:39:55pm

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We gettin' a new State?

Maybe an island... in a million or two years.

265 Kragar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:42:28pm

The African Union can fuck right off.

African Union refuses to recognise Libya's new TNC government

It took more than eight hours for the AU to decide not to throw its support behind the rebel administration yesterday during a meeting in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa.

Calling for an immediate ceasefire in the fighting, South African President Jacob Zuma, was one of only three African heads of state to attend the summit.

He said that the AU would not recognise the TNC as the legitimate government as long as the fighting continued. "If there is fighting, there is fighting. So we can't stand here and say this is the legitimate [government] now. The process is fluid. That's part of what we inform countries – whether there is an authority to recognise," Mr Zuma said.

The AU has instead called for an "all-inclusive transitional government" to be set up in Libya, a government that would also involve some of the officials from Gaddafi's side. But the proposal that was made by the AU officials has been rejected by the members of the TNC.

266 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:43:24pm

re: #254 lostlakehiker

World Trade Center, 2001.

Wrong...it was the Peshtigo Fire in Wisconsin (up to 2500+ lives lost), which, ironically, started the same day as the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 (which comes in second in number of American lives lost strictly due to fire).

267 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:44:12pm

re: #264 freetoken

Maybe an island... in a million or two years.

Since the Keystone tar sands pipeline is going to be approved, humanity will be extinct long before then (like, say, in 150 years or so, give or take a few decades).

In the meantime, Hurricane Irene is like a dress rehearsal for what rising sea levels will do to NY.

268 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:45:32pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The African Union can fuck right off.

African Union refuses to recognise Libya's new TNC government

I wonder how many sweetheart deals Gaddafi gave some of those AU leaders way back when...

269 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:48:56pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The African Union can fuck right off.

African Union refuses to recognise Libya's new TNC government

Only "fluid" I see are the puddles of piss who think Gaddafi deserves a place at the table, now that he's been deposed. So long as the AU and other "reluctant" powers refuse to throw their weight behind the rebels, the fighting will not abate, because loyalist forces will believe that the fight can still be won.

270 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:52:46pm

nycscout Scout

Meanwhile, I >swear< the man on the scene is disappointed the gusts are only hitting 30 miles per hour.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:58:53pm

OMG!

the picture of the rapists.

Horrible story tho.

272 laZardo  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:01:38pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's because the rebels are Arabs killing black Africans.

/partial

273 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:04:24pm

Victor Wooten - Norwegian Wood Bass Solo

274 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:06:11pm

Looking at bbc news, it reports that a Virginia Beach resident reported to them that "petrol stations are running dry."

Either bbc did some creative editing, or this resident is an ex-pat Brit.

275 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:08:28pm

re: #274 EmmmieG

Looking at bbc news, it reports that a Virginia Beach resident reported to them that "petrol stations are running dry."

Either bbc did some creative editing, or this resident is an ex-pat Brit.

Or a Canadian tourist who didn't make it out in time.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:08:32pm

Jumping into windows'

Six of the men came from the same colony, Manitoba, in the eastern lowlands of Bolivia.

The men have been charged with child abuse and rape, and forming a criminal gang.

They are now in custody in a prison in the town of Cotoca, in the Santa Cruz region.

Colony elders suspected something was wrong when they wondered why one man was getting up so late in the mornings, and they decided to shadow him, said prosecutor Freddy Perez.

They then handed the case over to the police.

One suspect, who is from another Mennonite colony, is accused of complicity and of selling viagra to the men and narcotic sprays allegedly used on victims while they slept.

Denying the charges against him, the suspect said he was a veterinary surgeon and used the drugs in his work.

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:10:23pm

re: #276 ggt

Jumping into windows'

I'm glad the colony elders turned it over to the police instead of handling it internally.

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:13:22pm

I had no idea. I just thought the Mennonites were Amish, but drove cars.

Originating in the Netherlands, these followers of 16th Century Anabaptist Menno Simons, a radical Protestant reformer, relocated to Russia in the 1770s and then to Canada in the late 19th Century.

They fled persecution for their refusal to participate in military action or swap their Germanic dialect for the host language.

A 7,000-strong community moved to Mexico between 1922 and 1927 after negotiating temporary fiscal benefits, autonomy over education in their mother tongue and exemption from military service.

Economic success

Since then their numbers have swelled to some 60,000 in Chihuahua's 25 Mennonite colonies, while smaller settlements are found in Durango, Campeche, Zacatecas and Tamaulipas.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:14:58pm

re: #277 EmmmieG

I'm glad the colony elders turned it over to the police instead of handling it internally.

Did you see the pix of the guys in my #271. They look like they couldn't make it thru a window even if it was for sex.

I'm being mean, but my first thought was "inbreeding".

280 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:15:06pm

re: #266 talon_262

Wrong...it was the Peshtigo Fire in Wisconsin (up to 2500+ lives lost), which, ironically, started the same day as the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 (which comes in second in number of American lives lost strictly due to fire).

Fun Fact: The son of Mrs. O'Leary (in whose barn the fire began), James O'Leary, later became one of Chicago's gambling kingpins. In May 1920, he was the person whose whiskey delivery James "Big Jim" Coloismo was waiting for when Colosimo was murdered by Frankie Yale.

281 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:18:06pm

re: #276 ggt

Jumping into windows'

Scumbags know no religion.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:18:15pm

Who Knew? and, On Topic!

The Mennonite Disaster Service,[7] based in North America, provides both immediate and long-term responses to hurricanes, floods, and other disasters. The Mennonite Central Committee provides disaster relief around the world alongside their long-term international development programs. Other programs offer a variety of relief efforts and services throughout the world.

283 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:19:05pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Scumbags know no religion.

Yes, too many do.

284 jaunte  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:21:50pm

Richard Bona - Eyala

Richard Bona (born October 28, 1967 in Minta, Cameroon) is a jazz bassist and musician. His real African name, as he said live in Montreal in a show with Bobby McFerrin, is Bona Pinder Yayumayalolo.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Goodnight all.

285 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:22:23pm

re: #278 ggt

I had no idea. I just thought the Mennonites were Amish, but drove cars.

This might help

[Link: www.thearda.com...]

286 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:23:59pm

re: #283 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, too many do.

What I should have said was: "Scumbags can come from any religion".

287 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:24:48pm

re: #283 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, too many do.

Hi you.. Well at 8am we get to see a bunch of reporters in the middle of a Hurricane getting blown over the beach.. Some day somebody is going to really get hurt...Crazy reporters

288 Lidane  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:27:47pm

I'm sure this will go over well on the East Coast:

Ron Paul on Hurricane Irene: Government Response Should Be Like it Was in 1900

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:27:53pm

re: #285 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

This might help

[Link: www.thearda.com...]

Thanks, I was just reading the Wiki.

Interesting, but I don't think I'll read further than that.

290 Firstinla  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:28:19pm

re: #287 HoosierHoops

We'll have a new pantheon of martyrs: reporters who gave their lives for the MSM.

291 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:28:40pm

re: #282 ggt

Alot of Mennonites live in Pennsylvania and Ohio, if I am not mistaken.

At least they will be able to help very quickly.

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:29:16pm

re: #291 ProLifeLiberal

Alot of Mennonites live in Pennsylvania and Ohio, if I am not mistaken.

At least they will be able to help very quickly.

I know there are a lot of Amish in both places.

293 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:30:03pm

re: #288 Lidane

re: #190 ProLifeLiberal

I have an idea. Wikipedia and Google have a collection of Pictures from the 1900 Galveston Hurricane's aftermath.

I say, we post bunch of things in the following format:

A question about what Paul would do (or similar), and a link to a picture.

I like this idea. :D

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:31:21pm

Mennonite Disaster Service.

Report from the BBB.

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:36:01pm

Vocabulary Word for the Day

Rumspringa = jumping about or "sowing wild oats"

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:36:47pm

going to bed

I'm well past rumspringa.

Night all!

Stay safe.

297 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:39:44pm

re: #288 Lidane

I'm sure this will go over well on the East Coast:

Ron Paul on Hurricane Irene: Government Response Should Be Like it Was in 1900

Ideal response: Rick Perry< Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum show Ron Paul photos of the aftermath of the Galveston hurricane, then explain how hurricane response is a proper role for the federal government based on how it's prevented disaster in their states. Then they stop a mudhole it Ron Paul and walk it dry.

/Yes, I really do think Ron Paul should literally get his ass kicked during the next debate for this jackass line. Hopefully, this stupid remark will end his political career. Ayn Rand would accept a federal role in this sort of crisis for sobbing out loud.

298 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:41:58pm

re: #290 Firstinla

We'll have a new pantheon of martyrs: reporters who gave their lives for the MSM.

How goes it Chip?
Well I'm out here in a 110mph Hurricane clinging for dear life
So It's bad there Chip?
Hold on..
Keep those Cameras running dammit!
Lisa?
Lisa?
We are in the middle of the big Storm..
We see you Chip..
I have only minor lower leg injuries Lisa and been quite lucky with the shrap Lisa...
Is the camera running
Chip? Chip?
Can you get inside? Can you find shelter?
Lisa..Why would I do that?
Chip?
...ahem..We'll continue with our live hurricane coverage after this word from our sponsor
Chip?
I'm here Lisa...
You're an idiot
I love you Lisa..
Get inside dumbass
One more take..

We are back with live hurricane coverage from the East Coast with Chip and Lisa

299 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:48:02pm
300 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:51:11pm

re: #299 ProLifeLiberal

Bad news Model Wise on Irene:

This will be the problem of New Jersey, New York, and New England.

Good! It'll spare the Real Americans of the South and vent God's wrath on the Godless Heathen of the North!!1

/Neo-Confederate

301 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:53:26pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

I swear if I hear some fucker around me in OK says that, I'm going to have the temptation to beat the fuck out of them.

302 freetoken  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:56:52pm

Looks like they just reached the lava flow:

[Link: www.ooi.washington.edu...]

303 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:57:01pm

re: #301 ProLifeLiberal

I swear if I hear some fucker around me in OK says that, I'm going to have the temptation to beat the fuck out of them.

Sorry if I offended. I only meant it as a gag.

304 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 10:58:25pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

No, I see what you meant.

I know the Fox News crowd is creaming themselves right now. They see this as destroying Liberals.

305 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:00:38pm

re: #304 ProLifeLiberal

No, I see what you meant.

I know the Fox News crowd is creaming themselves right now. They see this as destroying Liberals.

Some of the commentaters are. When I checked earlier today they were getting a great deal more pushback than usual. Even at FNC comment sections, the idea of gloating while people are drowning is beyond the pale for many.

306 laZardo  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:01:44pm

Headan to bed. 10-7 workday tomorrow and I gotta be out by 8:30 in order to catch the bus. Laters.

307 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:01:54pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

Some of the commentaters are. When I checked earlier today they were getting a great deal more pushback than usual. Even at FNC comment sections, the idea of gloating while people are drowning is beyond the pale for many.

Speaking of which...

Glenn Beck: Hurricane Irene Is A 'Blessing'

Yeah. Blessing.

308 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:11:50pm

re: #307 JasonA

Speaking of which...

Glenn Beck: Hurricane Irene Is A 'Blessing'

Yeah. Blessing.

Glenn Beck = Dogshit.

309 Kragar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:14:24pm

re: #307 JasonA

Speaking of which...

Glenn Beck: Hurricane Irene Is A 'Blessing'

Yeah. Blessing.

"it would teach people to be prepared for disasters."

Yeah, natural disasters are how you teach someone to prepare for a natural disaster.

Fucking idiot.

310 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:17:58pm

Goodnight, all.

311 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:53:14pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"it would teach people to be prepared for disasters."

Yeah, natural disasters are how you teach someone to prepare for a natural disaster.

Fucking idiot.

Cause and effect aren't really his strong suits.

312 Kragar  Fri, Aug 26, 2011 11:55:37pm

re: #311 JasonA

Cause and effect aren't really his strong suits.

Perhaps Beck should be taught to prepare for a strong kick in the nuts.
/

313 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:04:16am

Well, that was fun. Sign off for the night, to get some sleep, and the power dies. Don't know how long it'll last, but I'll stick around until it dies for good.

314 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:06:37am

Wow. Quiet in here for a Friday night/Saturday morning.
Morning Honcos.

315 freetoken  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:48:42am
316 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:15:13am

Why, why, is there an infomercial on my radio? WTF? If I wanted an infomercial, I'll watch TV. Well, either that or the guy in the $3000 suit telling me I need to send him money. (apparently, if I use my credit card, I will reap the benefits) I hate that guy.

317 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:32:53am

Howe allegedly molested the girl between 30 and 35 years ago when she was 5 to 10 years old, sheriff's officials said.

The woman is now 42. She reported the crime about two weeks ago, officials said.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

I knew a guy who worked in the Crimes Against Children division of the local Sheriff's office. More than likely they had the woman call this guy and admit what he did while recording the conversation. And if the girl was older then 12 when it happened, I think the statute of limitations would have run out. But since she was under age 11, the charge will likely be bumped up to Capital Sexual Battery on a child.

318 researchok  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:38:04am

Morning, all

319 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:57:54am

re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. Quiet in here for a Friday night/Saturday morning.
Morning Honcos.

Not for long, my dearest droog.

And great bloshy yarblockos to thee and thine, mein scaly kamaraden

Tonight's booze-fuelled antics are brought to you by Old Grandad Kentucky Straight Bourbon and Schweppe's Ginger Ale.

320 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:05:21am

Great!

That's the thanks I get!

here I go to all the trouble to put on trousers, liquored up though I be, and there's not a single goddamned person here.

Just like my f*cking surprise birthday party.

321 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:05:28am

re: #319 Guanxi88

When I was younger, before becoming a professional drinker, I would drink Early Times and coke. 50/50 mix. That way I didn't have to wear a jacket when it would get cold out.

322 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:06:37am

re: #313 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Don't know how long it'll last, but I'll stick around until it dies for good.

(That very thought no doubt ran through the Bitter Half's mind when she saw me faint in the heat a few years back.)

323 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:07:35am

re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I was younger, before becoming a professional drinker, I would drink Early Times and coke. 50/50 mix. That way I didn't have to wear a jacket when it would get cold out.

Yes, bourbon was a key element in my own winter heating expenditures when I lived in Boston. It was only when I got married that I realized I was expected to fill the oil tank for the furnace.

324 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:09:07am

As for Old Grandad - I tell you honestly, they could just put it in fancier bottles with red wax on the cap, and sell it for twice as much. It's a damned fine bourbon.

325 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:09:19am

re: #323 Guanxi88

If I moved up north and someone told me to turn on the furnace, I would just stare at them since I have no idea how to.

326 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:11:35am

re: #325 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I moved up north and someone told me to turn on the furnace, I would just stare at them since I have no idea how to.

Eh, it's not that hard. Especially the old oil-burners (all I ever had in Beantown). What sucks, though, is when the power goes out - no heat at all, then.

Nothing to do but start smashing up the furniture, throwing it in the fireplace, and, once alight, drinking until unconsciousness supervenes. Which is also what one does whenever relationship difficulties surface.

327 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:13:28am

re: #326 Guanxi88

Eh, it's not that hard. Especially the old oil-burners (all I ever had in Beantown). What sucks, though, is when the power goes out - no heat at all, then.

Nothing to do but start smashing up the furniture, throwing it in the fireplace, and, once alight, drinking until unconsciousness supervenes. Which is also what one does whenever relationship difficulties surface.

You throw the bitter half in the fireplace?
/

328 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:13:30am

I guess all the east coast reptiles are out looting for survival, while the west coasters are all out doing whatever the hell it is people do out there; getting tans and swapping social diseases, I suppose.

329 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:14:16am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

You throw the bitter half in the fireplace?
/

Furniture. The Bitter Half has usually absconded with checkbook and car keys. Nothing to do then but proceed as I have indicated.

330 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:17:16am

re: #328 Guanxi88

The 5AM advisory says the hurricane winds are 90. We should be getting reports from some lizards soon. It's still around NC.

331 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:17:48am

As for the little video up at the top:

Who among us (show of hands) has not woken up in a strange place, unclear who they are or how they got there?

"Let's see, last thing I remember, I was at the Kells and met up with a group of Irish students. I seem to recall Maggie looked rather fetching, and so I sort of joined their table. Now, where the hell am I?"

332 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:18:49am

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

The 5AM advisory says the hurricane winds are 90. We should be getting reports from some lizards soon. It's still around NC.

Jeez! Damned storm is slower than Amtrak.

333 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:20:39am

re: #331 Guanxi88

As for the little video up at the top:

Who among us (show of hands) has not woken up in a strange place, unclear who they are or how they got there?

"Let's see, last thing I remember, I was at the Kells and met up with a group of Irish students. I seem to recall Maggie looked rather fetching, and so I sort of joined their table. Now, where the hell am I?"

I was a manager in training for a new restaurant chain years ago in Pompano Beach. They put me up in a hotel for a couple weeks. Went out with some of the other managers and did shot after shot after shot. Woke up to darkness. No idea where I was. I was in my hotel room.

334 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:21:27am

re: #332 Guanxi88

Jeez! Damned storm is slower than Amtrak.

Yea, but the storm will cost less in the long run.
/

335 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:24:00am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did in fact survive a scenario like the one I sketched out (only her name was Amy, not Maggie). I woke up on the couch in a house where no one knew who I was.

I asked which way to the T (Boston's subway) station, and was told the T didn't run there. I was two counties over. I had to bum train fare back to the city from the residents of the house.

Lost a good hat, too. (Wonder whatever happened to Amy?)

336 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:25:33am

re: #335 Guanxi88

(Wonder whatever happened to Amy?)

Well, no paternity suit was forthcoming, so I guess I struck out there.

337 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:28:16am

re: #335 Guanxi88

My friend and I got arrested on Spring Break in Fort Myers. Got out of jail. Had no idea how to get to the car, which was on the beach 15 or so miles away. Some guy said to follow him since he was going to the beach. Took the bus. It worked out just fine.

338 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:30:16am

Wild days of youth, eh?

It's a miracle so many males of the species survive to 30. I know I had a housemate and an ex who had a sort of dead pool involving me, with the ex wagering $20 that I wouldn't live to 30, and the housemate wagering the same amount I'd be committed to the state nervous hospital and/or married by 30.

Great friends I had.

339 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:33:35am

re: #338 Guanxi88

Used to refer to the ex, before she was an ex, as "my future first wife"

340 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:34:11am

re: #338 Guanxi88

I would have collected $20 from both of them and tell them they weren't invited to the festivities of your new found wealth. But that's just me. I'm an asshole.

341 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:41:24am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would have collected $20 from both of them and tell them they weren't invited to the festivities of your new found wealth. But that's just me. I'm an asshole.

That might have worked. But they were friends (kinda awkward, the whole sitch) and so, the imposture would have been detected in short order. Still, 40 bucks is 40 bucks.

342 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:46:02am

I just applied for a job I am overqualified for which means I won't get it. BAA!!!!

343 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:46:10am

Well, it occurs to me, it's almost 6 am, and I'm still loaded. Think I'll send some emails.

344 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:46:43am

re: #343 Guanxi88

Well, it occurs to me, it's almost 6 am, and I'm still loaded. Think I'll send some emails.

This should work out well.:)

345 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:47:06am

re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just applied for a job I am overqualified for which means I won't get it. BAA!!!

Not to worry - that just means you'll get one you're unqualified for; those tend to pay better, anyway.

346 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:47:09am

Further and rather weird hooha about Ron Paul, Paulbots seethe with rage:

[Link: spectator.org...]

347 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:47:33am

brb

348 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:48:20am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

This should work out well.:)

You think phone calls would be better, maybe? Email is so impersonal, after all.

349 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:53:56am

re: #348 Guanxi88

You think phone calls would be better, maybe? Email is so impersonal, after all.

I would send emails. Use the phone to order stuff from QVC. In 2 weeks when stuff arrives you'll wonder what happened and when the credit card bill comes you'll know.

350 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:55:13am

re: #346 000G

A friend of mine is a HUGE Paul supporter. Constantly posting shit on FB.

351 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:55:17am

re: #349 Cannadian Club Akbar

In 2 weeks when stuff arrives you'll wonder what happened and when the credit card bill comes you'll know.

That some sort of mnemonic trick, is it?

352 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:58:20am

re: #351 Guanxi88

That some sort of mnemonic trick, is it?

The Onion did a great piece on people who drink then have stuff ordered on their credit cards, without their knowledge, between the hours of 2AM and 4AM. Priceless.

353 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:58:33am

To the aforementioned ex:

Dear Skank:

When we broke up after you nailed three of my good friends in the space of two months, I was prepared to forgive you and move on with my life.

But then I realized - you swiped a shitload of my stuff. My Complete Works of Mozart, a couple of nice oxford shirts, and my goddamned Awauascutum umbrella (you know damned well which one I mean); I suspect, but cannot prove, that you also took a few of my hats.

Anyway, I want my stuff back. It's only been 15 or so years, so the statute of limitations doesn't really apply, since the loss of this stuff only pisses me off now.

Remit the aforementioned items on the double.

Love,

Guanxi88

354 Guanxi88  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:59:48am

Aquascutum - dammit, but my fingers swell when I drink.

355 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:02:58am

Weird smell in here. You guys been here awhile?

Image: sam-max-comic.jpg

356 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:05:23am

re: #355 Obdicut

Weird smell in here. You guys been here awhile?

Image: sam-max-comic.jpg

Somebody has to hold down the fort.

357 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:08:54am

pimping my latest page: Why Are Finland's Schools Successful?

358 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:08:59am

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have you ever read the Sam and Max comic books? They're hilarious.

Image: page9_blog_entry5_2.gif

359 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:10:38am

re: #358 Obdicut

Really interesting. Makes me sad how far our system is away from that.

360 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:13:36am

I posted this on my FB this morning:

I'm gonna play "The Media" for a minute:"We've got a hurricane of Biblical proportions going on!! Wait!! We also have another dead blonde!! Wait! A young black girl has been killed. We don't cover that do we? No? My producer just said "no". The dead blonde has just been washed out to sea!! We've got a reporter on the scene!! Geraldo, what's happening???....."

361 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:14:24am

re: #357 000G

Er that was supposed to be directed at you. I think this sentence is key:

Applicants began flooding teaching programs, not because the salaries were so high but because autonomy and respect made the job attractive.

The gigantic anti-intellectual attitude in the US, which as of recent been nurtured and exploited by the GOP, makes that a significant challenge. Not only does it mean that teachers have little respect in our nation-- shameful state of affairs-- but why go become a climate scientist if you're going to constantly read articles claiming you're a fraud and a crook?

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:24:44am

Morning Honcos!

How's life in the Right Coast?

363 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:25:51am

re: #362 ggt

Morning Honcos!

How's life in the Right Coast?

Stoopid hurricane took away all the clouds here which means it's gonna be really hot when I mow.

364 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:28:04am

re: #362 ggt
It is cloudy in Philly. No rain or wind yet. I hope Irene goes out to sea. I do not want any more rain or wind. I know I am not going to get my wish.

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:29:09am

re: #338 Guanxi88

Wild days of youth, eh?

It's a miracle so many males of the species survive to 30. I know I had a housemate and an ex who had a sort of dead pool involving me, with the ex wagering $20 that I wouldn't live to 30, and the housemate wagering the same amount I'd be committed to the state nervous hospital and/or married by 30.

Great friends I had.

I doubt they would if it weren't for the female of the species.

366 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:29:59am

re: #364 PhillyPretzel

AT 500 AM EDT...0900 UTC...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE IRENE WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 34.1 NORTH...LONGITUDE 76.5 WEST. IRENE IS MOVING
TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 14 MPH...22 KM/H...AND THIS GENERAL
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS. ON THE
FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF IRENE WILL MAKE LANDFALL IN EASTERN
NORTH CAROLINA DURING THE NEXT FEW HOURS AND THEN MOVE ACROSS
EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA. THE HURRICANE IS FORECAST TO MOVE NEAR OR
OVER THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST TONIGHT AND MOVE OVER SOUTHERN NEW
ENGLAND ON SUNDAY.
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:30:00am

re: #364 PhillyPretzel

It is cloudy in Philly. No rain or wind yet. I hope Irene goes out to sea. I do not want any more rain or wind. I know I am not going to get my wish.

One never knows, a lot can happen in the upper-atmosphere. (troposphere or whatever it's called)

368 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:30:51am

Good Morning Honcos! Where's my Hurricane?

369 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:31:56am

re: #358 Obdicut

Have you ever read the Sam and Max comic books? They're hilarious.

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Auto-updings for all Sam and Max references!

370 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:32:15am

re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I was younger, before becoming a professional drinker, I would drink Early Times and coke. 50/50 mix. That way I didn't have to wear a jacket when it would get cold out.

Early Times and Dr. Pepper!

371 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:35:33am

Is it just me, or is this a real road-block to world peace?

THERE is no room for Israel after the creation of a Palestinian state, Iran's inflammatory president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared yesterday

372 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:36:33am

re: #368 rwdflynavy
It is coming. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

373 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:37:39am

re: #371 ggt

Is it just me, or is this a real road-block to world peace?

Dinnerjacket needs to STFU. Then release our hikers. Then just die. A nice infection, perhaps.

374 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:38:13am

Surgeon General Calls for Health Over Hair

The United States surgeon general has a new message for American women: It is O.K. to have a bad hair day.

As the country’s leading spokespeople on public health, surgeons general often weigh in on issues of national importance like tobacco and disease prevention. But when the current surgeon general, Dr. Regina M. Benjamin, visited a trade show in Atlanta this month, it was to talk about what has become something of a pet cause: Too many women forgoing exercise because they’re worried it will ruin their hair.

“Oftentimes you get women saying, ‘I can’t exercise today because I don’t want to sweat my hair back or get my hair wet,’ ” she said in an interview. “When you’re starting to exercise, you look for reasons not to, and sometimes the hair is one of those reasons.”

Although it doesn't keep me out of the gym, it does keep me out of the pool. Chlorine + hair = bad, bad, bad.

LOL

375 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:39:12am

re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dinnerjacket needs to STFU. Then release our hikers. Then just die. A nice infection, perhaps.

Do the rank n' file Persians and Arabs really give a shit?

376 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:44:03am

re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dinnerjacket needs to STFU. Then release our hikers. Then just die. A nice infection, perhaps.

I feel bad for the hikers, but hiking in Iraq? That's just nature's way of chlorinating the gene pool.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:45:06am
378 Flounder  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:45:47am

re: #370 ggt
Ice and bourbon, then finish the night with a six pack of Milwaukees Best Ice. Needless to say every morning used to be like that portal vid...

379 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:45:49am

re: #377 ggt

2400 flights cancelled due to Irene.

Jimmy Buffet concert was supposed to be tonight. Postponed til Thursday.

380 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:46:08am

re: #376 rwdflynavy

I feel bad for the hikers, but hiking in Iraq? That's just nature's way of chlorinating the gene pool.

I know. WTF? Spicoli move if there ever was one.

Iran, tho, not Iraq--right?

381 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:47:00am

re: #379 rwdflynavy

Jimmy Buffet concert was supposed to be tonight. Postponed til Thursday.

That's ok, you can listen on sirius radio.

382 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:47:43am

re: #380 ggt

I know. WTF? Spicoli move if there ever was one.

Iran, tho, not Iraq--right?

I'm sure the Iran/Iraq border is about the same as the China/Nork border. No one is actually sure.

383 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:47:47am

I really enjoyed Portal and Portal 2. I bought a t-shirt that looks like a Mike's Hard Lemonade shirt. Instead it says Cave's Combustible Lemons.

384 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:47:48am

Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) is cancelling service for Sunday.[Link: www.septa.org...]

385 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:48:38am

re: #380 ggt

I know. WTF? Spicoli move if there ever was one.

Iran, tho, not Iraq--right?

They were hiking in Iraq (an active war zone) and wandered into Iran by accident. That's just natural selection in action!

386 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:50:43am

Irene is serious! Not only did Obama say so, but:

And in Atlantic City, N.J., all 11 casinos announced plans to shut down Friday, only the third time that has happened in New Jersey's 33-year history of legalized gambling.

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:51:05am

re: #385 rwdflynavy

They were hiking in Iraq (an active war zone) and wandered into Iran by accident. That's just natural selection in action!

Their GPS was wrong.

388 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:51:58am

re: #386 ggt

Irene is serious! Not only did Obama say so, but:

SAVE THE HOOKERS FIRST!!!
/

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:51:59am

re: #378 Shropshire_Slasher

Ice and bourbon, then finish the night with a six pack of Milwaukees Best Ice. Needless to say every morning used to be like that portal vid...

Oh, I get nauseous just thinking about it.

So glad I don't drink anymore.

390 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:52:30am

re: #387 ggt

Their GPS was wrong.

You know, I really enjoy hiking. There is a long list of places all over the world I would love to hike if time/money allowed. I gotta tell you that the Iraq/Iran border are at the bottom of the list with China/Best Korea.

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:52:55am
392 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:53:35am

re: #390 rwdflynavy

You know, I really enjoy hiking. There is a long list of places all over the world I would love to hike if time/money allowed. I gotta tell you that the Iraq/Iran border are at the bottom of the list with China/Best Korea.

Appalachian Trail?
/

393 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:54:13am

re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar

Appalachian Trail?
/

I've hiked some short parts around Roanoke. Maybe someday.

394 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:54:24am

re: #390 rwdflynavy

You know, I really enjoy hiking. There is a long list of places all over the world I would love to hike if time/money allowed. I gotta tell you that the Iraq/Iran border are at the bottom of the list with China/Best Korea.

That whole part of the world --why be there if you are white and don't have to be.

recreation? WTF?

I mean, yeah there is cool history and stuff, but is it worth your life?

395 Flounder  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:55:07am

re: #389 ggt

April 27 2009 is my sobriety date. Hardest thing I ever did, although the thought of even a sip of beer (my trigger) scares the shit outta me now. I still would kill for a smoke, even a dip now.

396 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:55:14am

re: #394 ggt

That whole part of the world --why be there if you are white and don't have to be.

recreation? WTF?

I mean, yeah there is cool history and stuff, but is it worth your life?

How would you change that?
/

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:56:17am

Only from the intrepid reports in Margaritaville.

Jamaica's Dog Sled Team.

398 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:56:58am

re: #396 Cannadian Club Akbar

How would you change that?
/

MAGNETs!

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:57:44am

re: #395 Shropshire_Slasher

April 27 2009 is my sobriety date. Hardest thing I ever did, although the thought of even a sip of beer (my trigger) scares the shit outta me now. I still would kill for a smoke, even a dip now.

Don't know mine, didn't know I had to know.

Sometimes around June 1, 1996. Still smoke.

I figure giving up Alcohol and Pot is enough for one lifetime.

400 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:00:36am
401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:01:48am

re: #399 ggt

I haven't smoked any pot in over 25 years. But I really didn't "quit", does that make sense?

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:02:45am

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I haven't smoked any pot in over 25 years. But I really didn't "quit", does that make sense?

yep

403 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:03:05am

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I haven't smoked any pot in over 25 years. But I really didn't "quit", does that make sense?

I use to smoke pot but never bought it. My roommate was a dealer.

404 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:04:13am

re: #396 Cannadian Club Akbar

How would you change that?
/

Frankly, I don't know that I would.

Seems the one is pretty lucky to be born white in this world. Sad, but true.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:04:35am

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

I use to smoke pot but never bought it. My roommate was a dealer.

I never bought it either, always had a boyfriend who would.

406 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:06:30am

re: #405 ggt

I never bought it either, always had a boyfriend who would.

I used to get my ex GF stoned, then take her to Dairy Queen. "I'll have a peanut butter parfait and a banana split and a....". Um, no. You get one thing.

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:07:07am

re: #405 ggt

I never bought it either, always had a boyfriend who would.

I actually had that as a question on a "drug test" for a job application once. It was a written drug test - no joke. It said it was weighted for honesty and gave the example that if you said you smoked pot everyday but said you didn't buy it they would know you were lying.

I laughed and answered truthfully. They called me for an interview --I declined.

408 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:07:10am

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I haven't smoked any pot in over 25 years. But I really didn't "quit", does that make sense?

I led such a sheltered life. The only "illegal" drugs I ever used was alcohol when under-age.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:08:04am

re: #405 ggt

I never bought it either, always had a boyfriend who would.

Oh, you paid for it... In high school we called them, "Pot Sluts".

(please don't be offended. please don't be offended. please don't be offended.)

410 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:08:40am

re: #400 ggt

One Love, One Mush!

Now I have that Rastafarian singing in my head

411 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:09:23am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, you paid for it... In high school we called them, "Pot Sluts".

(please don't be offended. please don't be offended. please don't be offended.)

Not if it was a long-term relationship. Living together and such.

There is a difference!

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:09:30am

re: #410 ggt

Sometimes? I no click.

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:10:16am

re: #411 ggt

Not if it was a long-term relationship. Living together and such.

There is a difference!

True. Then it's called, "The Chick Who Pays My Rent".

414 Flounder  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:10:22am

re: #412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yah man

415 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:10:35am

re: #411 ggt

Not if it was a long-term relationship. Living together and such.

There is a difference!

So, a Pot Slut that does dishes?
///

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:10:50am

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

True. Then it's called, "The Chick Who Pays My Rent".

LOL

no, i never paid for shit.

I'm easy, but not cheap.

417 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:11:09am

re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, a Pot Slut that does dishes?
///

LOL

Hey, there are worse things.

418 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:12:10am

re: #417 ggt

LOL

Hey, there are worse things.

LIKE ME!
MUHAHAHA!

Morning.

419 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:12:28am

Sad thing is that now I am old, I can get all the vicodin I want and insurance pays for it.

Somehow, I feel like I missed-something in the rule book.

420 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:13:13am

re: #418 Varek Raith

Morning Raith!

How is daylight treating you?

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:13:37am

re: #419 ggt

Definition of a pothead without a girlfriend? Homeless.

422 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:14:20am

re: #420 ggt

Morning Raith!

How is daylight treating you?

Fine so far.
Hurricane will be at its worse here at about 1 to 3 am.

423 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:16:15am

re: #422 Varek Raith

Fine so far.
Hurricane will be at its worse here at about 1 to 3 am.

Being up all night during a hurricane rules.

424 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:17:08am
425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:18:06am

re: #419 ggt

I don't remember the joke word for word... but...

Elderly couple goes to the doctor about sexual disfunction. They proceed to have sex right there in the exam room in front of the Dr. Everything worked fine.

They made an appointment on the same day of the week for three weeks. Every time had normal relations.

The third appointment the Doctor says, "Okay. This is crazy. There is no problem here. Our visits are over."

The woman says, "But Doctor? The two of us are having an affair!

The man says, "Medicare won't pay for a hotel room!"

426 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:19:15am

Why keep people like this alive?

I'm pro-death penalty.

sorry if that offends.

427 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:19:34am

re: #424 ggt
Let's hope Irene looses steam fast. I would like to see sub-tropical status in the next few hours.

428 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:20:05am

re: #423 Cannadian Club Akbar

Being up all night during a hurricane rules.

But are you going to respect yourself in the morning?

(or remember)

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:21:04am

What do you call a women with one leg?

430 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:21:35am

re: #429 ggt

What do you call a women with one leg?

Eileen.

431 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:22:21am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

Eileen.

What do you call her if she is Chinese?

432 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:22:45am

re: #431 ggt

What do you call her if she is Chinese?

Irene?

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:23:14am

re: #432 Cannadian Club Akbar

Irene?

very good!

What do you call two guys with no arms and no legs when they are around your window?

434 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:23:41am

re: #433 ggt

very good!

What do you call two guys with no arms and no legs when they are around your window?

Art?

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:24:04am

re: #434 Cannadian Club Akbar

Art?

Curt n' Rod

436 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:24:51am

re: #434 Cannadian Club Akbar

Art?

Art is the guy with no arms and no legs when he is on your wall.

437 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:25:32am

re: #436 ggt

Art is the guy with no arms and no legs when he is on your wall.

And Matt has no legs/arm and lies in front of your door.

438 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:26:17am

re: #426 ggt

It doesn't offend. But you've got to accept that some innocent people are going to be killed by the death penalty. If you're okay with that, if you think the value of a death penalty is worth people innocent of that crime being put to death, then you're intellectually consistent about it.

439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:26:55am

re: #436 ggt

Art is the guy with no arms and no legs when he is on your wall.

Leper in a hot tub? Stu.
No arms and legs in a swimming pool? Bob.
What do you call a dog with no legs? You can call him anything and he still won't come.

440 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:27:56am

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leper in a hot tub? Stu.
No arms and legs in a swimming pool? Bob.
What do you call a dog with no legs? You can call him anything and he still won't come.

What did the Leper tell the prostitute? Keep the tip.

441 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:28:32am

Good morning Lizards. A definitely cloudy day in Philly this morning.

442 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:28:37am

What's fueling Bible Belt divorces

"There's a moral crisis in red states that's produced by higher divorce rates and the disparity between parental values and behavior of young adults," said Cahn. "There is enormous tension between moral values and actual practices."

Really?

443 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:28:56am

re: #426 ggt
That is too good for him. He should have to listen to his victims 24/7 for the rest of his life.

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:29:12am
445 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:31:29am

re: #443 PhillyPretzel

That is too good for him. He should have to listen to his victims 24/7 for the rest of his life.

Remember this?
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

446 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:33:17am

re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. But that is not listening to a victim giving the perp holy hell for what was done to them.

447 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:34:44am

re: #446 PhillyPretzel

Yes. But that is not listening to a victim giving the perp holy hell for what was done to them.

And I'm sure the guy in GGT's post won't be put in general population. He'd be dead man walking.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:36:47am

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

And I'm sure the guy in GGT's post won't be put in general population. He'd be dead man walking.

I'd go for that.

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:38:42am

Is it me or does this storm appear to be losing it's Hurricanacity?

450 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:39:58am

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leper in a hot tub? Stu.
No arms and legs in a swimming pool? Bob.
What do you call a dog with no legs? You can call him anything and he still won't come.

I love stupid jokes.

452 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:40:36am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

453 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:40:55am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it me or does this storm appear to be losing it's Hurricanacity?

The more it stays over land the more it will weaken.

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:41:01am

re: #450 ggt

I love stupid jokes.

I had a dog with no legs. Named him Cigarette.

Every day? I took him for a drag.

455 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:41:18am

re: #451 Varek Raith

Fox News: Without Clergy At 9-11 Anniversary It's "A Victory For The Terrorists"

I'm so tired of the Fox News shit.

Can we just ignore them, Palin and Bachmann?

456 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:42:45am

chocolate fudge cookies for breakfast=WIN!!

457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:43:11am

re: #455 ggt

Yes. I am successfully doing just that.

458 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:43:25am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

fork'em over.

459 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:43:26am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

chocolate fudge cookies for breakfast=WIN!!

You said you'd been drinkin', didn't say anything about smokin' pot.

460 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:44:38am

re: #459 ggt

You said you'd been drinkin', didn't say anything about smokin' pot.

I never said I'd been drinking, but I like the way you think.:)

461 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:44:48am

If hear about Obama defying the Constitution and writing executive orders one more time I may scream.

Fox News plays in my house. I don't watch, I get to listen to the results.

462 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:44:54am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

chocolate fudge cookies for breakfast=WIN!!

So is pizza for breakfast.

463 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:48:58am

I remember the good ol' days. Wake up on Saturday morning, smoke a bunch of weed, bake cookies. Fresh gallon of milk.

464 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:53:44am

inbreeding = bad

interbreeding = good

465 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:54:16am

re: #462 Varek Raith

So is pizza for breakfast.

FRESH COFFEE, cream and sugar!

466 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:54:56am

re: #464 ggt

inbreeding = bad

interbreeding = good

Denisovans were Pot Sluts.

467 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:55:16am

re: #465 ggt

FRESH COFFEE, cream and sugar!

No sugar for me (I'm sweet enough)
//

468 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:55:47am

re: #466 Cannadian Club Akbar

Denisovans were Pot Sluts.

Another reason to legalize Pot.

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:55:55am

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

I remember the good ol' days. Wake up on Saturday morning, smoke a bunch of weed, bake cookies. Fresh gallon of milk.

Wake and bake.

470 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:57:10am

re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wake and bake.


Cinnamon Rolls!

471 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:58:22am

re: #470 ggt


Cinnamon Rolls!

That is RWDFLYNAVY's department.

472 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:59:34am
473 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:07:33am

Hola, Honcos!
I see y'all have breakfast started!
Where are the plates?

474 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:07:45am

re: #471 Cannadian Club Akbar

That is RWDFLYNAVY's department.

I do have a great recipe if you have a breadmaker it isn't too tough...

[Link: allrecipes.com...]

475 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:07:52am

I think I'm gonna go to the library today. Pick up a book about serial killers.

476 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:08:37am

Are the wingnuts complaining about Obama's hurricane response yet?

477 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:08:43am

re: #473 reine.de.tout
We ate them. ::: burp ::: Pass the Pepcid AC, please.

478 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:09:24am

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Are the wingnuts complaining about Obama's hurricane response yet?

WHAT RESPONSE!!!111 hE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING!!!!!!
//

479 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:20am

I'm not dead yet!!!

480 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:35am

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Are the wingnuts complaining about Obama's hurricane response yet?

I've heard how he isn't a meteorologist and people don't want to hear what he has tos ay.

481 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:35am

re: #477 PhillyPretzel

We ate them. ::: burp ::: Pass the Pepcid AC, please.

Edible plates.
[Link: www.cookbookpeople.com...]

482 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:57am

re: #473 reine.de.tout

Hola, Honcos!
I see y'all have breakfast started!
Where are the plates?

No plates, Just stand here at the counter and eat over the sink.

483 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:12:34am

re: #479 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm not dead yet!!!

Yes you are. But we all died too, just to fool you.

484 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:12:50am

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Are the wingnuts complaining about Obama's hurricane response yet?

He's doing really well! He spoke, and the storm weakened. Magic.

485 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:13:11am

re: #482 ggt

No plates, Just stand here at the counter and eat over the sink.

Ah. Just like home, eh?

486 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:13:21am

re: #483 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes you are. But we all died too, just to fool you.

We're the Left Behinds.

487 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:13:45am

re: #483 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes you are. But we all died too, just to fool you.

What manner of sorcery be this?!

///

488 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:15:28am

re: #485 reine.de.tout

Ah. Just like home, eh?

Well, if you get some on the floor, it's ok. The dogs are here too!

Oh wait, that means we aren't the Left Behinds!

Cool.

489 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:15:30am

If the hurricane gets downgraded, do we blame the Tea Party?
//ok, ok, that's funny, kinda

490 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:16:10am

re: #489 Cannadian Club Akbar

If the hurricane gets downgraded, do we blame the Tea Party?
//ok, ok, that's funny, kinda

No, silly, it will be to their credit.

They've been doin' all the prayin' and such.

491 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:16:49am

Gotta go.

Morning Nap time is upon us.

(dogs have fully bellies and empty bladders)

492 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:18:34am

The beach is closed, gusts up to 50mph, and there are still morons down at the beach!

493 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:19:46am

re: #492 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The beach is closed, gusts up to 50mph, and there are still morons down at the beach!

There are always morons at the beach. Usually, they work for "The Weather Channel".

494 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:20:39am

re: #493 reine.de.tout
LOL

495 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:31:57am

Saw this story....
[Link: detroit.cbslocal.com...]

Then found this comment...
If you spot a mosquito should you call 911 so they can send a SWAT team?

Then I laughed.

496 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:35:05am

re: #495 Cannadian Club Akbar
One SWAT team? How about one swatter? [Link: www.amazon.com...]

497 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:36:27am

re: #496 PhillyPretzel

One SWAT team? How about one swatter? [Link: www.amazon.com...]

Image: 20060213_03.jpg

498 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:39:24am

re: #497 Varek Raith

Hmm. That seems like a little bit of overkill.

499 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:10am

re: #498 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. That seems like a little bit of overkill.

He has bigger bugs.

500 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:53am

re: #498 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. That seems like a little bit of overkill.

Image: P-R37-2T.jpg

501 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:43:38am

re: #65 000G

I don't think it's a question of "want". There are several good reasons for why "permanent repository" for nuclear waste is an absurd concept. Half life of radioactive material is one of them.

The isotopes with half lives of more than 5 years are the problem. Shorter-lived isotopes can be stored on site until they mostly cook off. At the other end, half lives of a billion years cook off too slowly to be all that dangerous. You can carry around a pound of uranium in your pocket for a week and not get any serious radiation dose.

There are salt deposits that are hundreds of millions of years old. If they've been there that long, for all relevant human purposes they're permanent. And in all that time, there's never been a subterranean flow. The NV repository would have used one of those.

The only way the repository is impermanent is that later generations of people may want to dig it up to get at the waste. But there can never be any system to protect humanity from folly. Where there's a will, there's a way to be stupid.

502 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:43:54am

I sent out 4 resumes yesterday and 3 so far this morning. If I don't get a job soon I'm gonna open a lemonade stand. To hell with the feds.

503 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:45:00am

Bloomberg's press conference on the storm was pretty good, if a little combative. Sounded like he really wanted to punch someone in the mouth.

504 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:46:15am

re: #501 lostlakehiker

I have read that "breeder" reactors can make use of a large percentage of this waste; but that means further research and actually building stuff, which we no longer want to do either.

505 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:46:38am

re: #503 Obdicut

Bloomberg's press conference on the storm was pretty good, if a little combative. Sounded like he really wanted to punch someone in the mouth.

Aren't there a bunch of people who don't want to leave? I saw he asked 330K to get out, then saw a 370K number.

506 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:48:26am

re: #505 Cannadian Club Akbar

Aren't there a bunch of people who don't want to leave? I saw he asked 330K to get out, then saw a 370K number.

Yeah, it's somewhere around there. And it's always really hard to get people to abandon their homes. Sometimes impossible. If people don't have updated pet vaccinations, for example, their pets cannot be boarded or go to a hotel. So, if there are people with pets who don't have relatives they can go to, what are the actually supposed to do? I haven't seen an actual solution to this.

507 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:52:00am

re: #438 Obdicut

It doesn't offend. But you've got to accept that some innocent people are going to be killed by the death penalty. If you're okay with that, if you think the value of a death penalty is worth people innocent of that crime being put to death, then you're intellectually consistent about it.

Depends on how often it happens. If it's once in a century, that's regrettable but I'd rather take my chances on getting executed for a crime I didn't commit, than murdered for a payroll I didn't carry.

There is no perfect safety anywhere and the idea has to be to strike a balance. An executed man will, and this at least is a sure thing, never kill anybody again. Those sentenced to life in prison, on the other hand, do kill guards and fellow inmates from time to time, they win release from governors who write pardons to avenge themselves on a legislature about to impeach them, and they escape and go on killing sprees. The list here is long.

Those contemplating atrocious murders, just because it seems like a good tactic, calculate their odds. For these, the ones who would be eligible for the death penalty anyhow, it's surely a deterrent. That, too, contributes to public safety.

508 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:52:31am

re: #506 Obdicut

He did wave fares and tolls, which is good. But the article I just saw said they have 100 shelters but could only handle 71K people. Sound right?

509 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:55:19am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

Transit fares and tolls were waived in evacuated areas. Officials hoped most residents would stay with family and friends, and for the rest the city opened nearly 100 shelters with a capacity of 71,000 people.
[Link: www.newser.com...]

Wasn't sure of the source, then saw it was AP.

510 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:00:50am

Hurricane humor on the twitter...

Gaponski Viktoriya Gaponski
Will only date Zone B men from now on. Less dangerous than Zone A, but edgier than Zone C #Irene

Mornin' lacerti...

511 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:04:41am

re: #266 talon_262

Wrong...it was the Peshtigo Fire in Wisconsin (up to 2500+ lives lost), which, ironically, started the same day as the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 (which comes in second in number of American lives lost strictly due to fire).

You can exempt the lives lost immediately upon impact to blunt force trauma. That includes all the passengers, and some number of people on the floors that were hit.

As to the rest, if a building burns down and there are people who die because of trauma sustained during the collapse, those are fire deaths.

By my reckoning, WTC fires killed some 2700 people. The planes weren't full.

512 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:07:39am

re: #504 Naso Tang

I have read that "breeder" reactors can make use of a large percentage of this waste; but that means further research and actually building stuff, which we no longer want to do either.

Much as I favor wind and solar, nuclear power is also essential. Sometimes, hard though it may be to feature, the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.

re: #41 darthstar

Yay! Texas has volunteered to take nuclear waste! No more Yucca Mountain bitching and moaning in Nevada!

Thank you, Rick Perry for not giving a fuck about Texans!

Thank you, Rick Perry, for doing your bit to halt AGW.

Even a stopped clock is right occasionally. This is Perry's moment.

514 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:09:26am

re: #513 Killgore Trout
Flash in the pan.

515 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:10:18am

Going to mow. Then library. BBL.

516 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:12:32am

re: #514 PhillyPretzel

Flash in the pan.

It's interesting that even though wingnuts won't admit the Tea Party was a mistake they still will abandon toxic candidates when it becomes clear they're poison. They're still too slow to come to the right conclusion. Perry, Bachmann, Trump, Palin, etc. They could save themselves a lot of trouble by not flocking to these idiots in the first place.

517 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:13:07am
518 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:13:36am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

Christine O'Donnell Book Signing Draws Just Five People

At least 20% of the people at her book signing were there to make fun of her:

O’Donnell, a Christian, then politely turned down a request from a young man who asked her to sign his book on demonology instead of a copy of her book.

Shit, Christine, you probably could have gotten a date if you'd played that better.

519 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:14:55am

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Family values: Republican Politician Naked, Bending Over on Gay Sex Site

Let's see when, lol yeah right, the GOP will call for him to resign.

520 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:15:07am

re: #517 Killgore Trout
ROFL

521 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:21:17am

re: #507 lostlakehiker

Depends on how often it happens. If it's once in a century, that's regrettable but I'd rather take my chances on getting executed for a crime I didn't commit, than murdered for a payroll I didn't carry.

Nice false dichotomy to start off with. There's no reason to think that if we don't execute people, the likelihood of being murdered is higher.

Those contemplating atrocious murders, just because it seems like a good tactic, calculate their odds. For these, the ones who would be eligible for the death penalty anyhow, it's surely a deterrent. That, too, contributes to public safety.

Nice. Don't bother to make an argument. Just make an assertion, claim it 'surely' must be true, and be done with it.

After all, it's not like people who murder people live any sort of life where being murdered themselves is a likely risk.

Sheesh. It's like a 'poor logic' competition.

522 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:21:56am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

He did wave fares and tolls, which is good. But the article I just saw said they have 100 shelters but could only handle 71K people. Sound right?

I dunno. I'm in evacuation zone C, which is for Category III storms, so it's very unlikely I'll have to do anything of the sort.

523 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:22:12am

Bflat came to bed about 3:30 last night...soaking wet. I thought, must be really foggy outside. Turns out he was on his evening safari and almost picked on somebody his own size...this time it was a large field rat (with sizeable cojones--could have posed nekkid on a GOP web site!)...thing is over a foot long and weighs at least two pounds (probably 1/4 the size of Bflat). Way too big to flush down the toilet...I have half a mind to call a taxidermist. No wonder the dogs don't fuck with the cat. But he's especially happy this morning as he cuddles next to me. A good kill always does that for him.

524 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:24:26am

re: #523 darthstar


FALCON PUNCH!
525 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:25:27am

re: #523 darthstar
Stuff that varmit as a trophy.

526 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:29:13am

Meanwhile, in reality, the murder rates in non-death penalty states are consistently lower than those in death-penalty states.

[Link: www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...]

And law enforcement does not see it as an effective deterrent.

[Link: www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...]

The graph to the right shows the results of a 2008 poll of 500 police chiefs in the United States, conducted by R.T. Strategies of Washington, DC. Police chiefs ranked the death penalty last when asked to name one area as "most important for reducing violent crime." Higher priorities included increasing the number of police officers, reducing drug abuse, and creating a better economy.

Image: LawEnforcementViews.jpg

And, of course, criminologists overwhelming say that is not a deterrent.

Image: deter9608.jpg

But hey, what do experts, police chiefs, and actual facts know about the subject? "Surely" it must be true that the death penalty is a great deterrent.

527 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:29:30am

re: #525 PhillyPretzel

Stuff that varmit as a trophy.

Seriously, you almost could. I already bagged it and threw it in the trash, but I really should have taken a picture of it...maybe next to a bottle of wine for scale.

528 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:30:01am

re: #522 Obdicut

I dunno. I'm in evacuation zone C, which is for Category III storms, so it's very unlikely I'll have to do anything of the sort.

Man I hope you're ok today, Obdi! This sucks. I have 2 friends in Bklyn.

529 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:30:03am

re: #524 Varek Raith

[Video]
FALCON PUNCH!

It's only a matter of time before he drags home a baby seal.

530 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:32:04am

re: #528 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Man I hope you're ok today, Obdi! This sucks. I have 2 friends in Bklyn.

Should be fine. Really hope a window doesn't blow out. Haven't decided whether or not to take the air conditioner inside yet or not. It'd involve unscrewing it, which is a big pain and might not go so well.

531 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:36:36am

re: #530 Obdicut

Should be fine. Really hope a window doesn't blow out. Haven't decided whether or not to take the air conditioner inside yet or not. It'd involve unscrewing it, which is a big pain and might not go so well.

Why are you not taking the end of the Eastern Seaboard seriously?!?!?!
EARTHQUAKEHURRICANEDOOM!

532 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:36:49am

re: #530 Obdicut

Should be fine. Really hope a window doesn't blow out. Haven't decided whether or not to take the air conditioner inside yet or not. It'd involve unscrewing it, which is a big pain and might not go so well.

Well, you'll definitely find out whose A/C units weren't secure.

533 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:38:05am

re: #531 Varek Raith

Why are you not taking the end of the Eastern Seaboard seriously?!?!?!
EARTHQUAKEHURRICANEDOOM!

People still play DOOM?

534 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:39:40am

re: #532 darthstar

Mine is screwed into the metal frame, and is very small-- only juts out like 8 inches. If the winds came manage to rip it out from its screws-- which are on the inside-- I think i'm going to have a lot more to worry about.

535 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:31am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

He did wave fares and tolls, which is good. But the article I just saw said they have 100 shelters but could only handle 71K people. Sound right?

And yeah, I just heard that reported. They believe that most people will be evacuating to relatives or friends. I'm not sure how they arrived at that ratio.

536 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:45:53am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

He did wave fares and tolls, which is good. But the article I just saw said they have 100 shelters but could only handle 71K people. Sound right?

Florida's getting screwed this storm. Nobody gives a fuck about Florida, and Rick Scott has been drinking welfare pee looking for drug users (apparently only 2% are testing positive). I'll bet Casey Anthony's meeting with her parole officer doesn't even get covered today. That could drive her to write more bad checks.

537 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:46:08am

re: #533 darthstar

People still play DOOM?

Hell yeah, much better game than Quake ;)

538 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:52:03am

It is not a good sign when the clouds are coming from the east.

539 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:55:26am

re: #534 Obdicut

Mine is screwed into the metal frame, and is very small-- only juts out like 8 inches. If the winds came manage to rip it out from its screws-- which are on the inside-- I think i'm going to have a lot more to worry about.

I seriously think they're overhyping this storm. Don't bother with the AC unit. You in NY? It's going to come in as a low Cat 1 but probably a tropical storm. I just posted on Randy's page. Mostly down trees and possible power outages. You won't lose your windows. If you're in a house, make sure you bring inside anything that can blow around like lawn furniture and fixtures. It's also moving pretty quickly, 13mph. Andrew came through at 15mph which was over us a 2-3 hours. This is no Andrew (180-200mph winds).

If you normally flood in a bad storm than that could be a problem. I think they're predicting 8-10". Move your car to higher ground.

Also, the longer it stays over land the more it will break up.

540 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:00:31am

re: #539 marjoriemoon

Yeah, I've just never been in an apartment building for a big storm before. I only saw the air conditioning recommendation on one site, and I think it's pretty half-baked, myself.

I'm in the middle of Manhattan, on the 4th floor, so I won't have to worry about floods. We've got tons of food, tons of water, tons of already-ground coffee, some concentrated iced coffee if our gas goes out, tons of cat food, lots of food, batteries, an AM radio, batteries, lighters, candles. etc. etc. etc.

I think it's over-hyped too, but preparation isn't a bad thing. On the evacuation stuff, I have no clue, not being anything close to an expert.

541 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:05:53am

re: #426 ggt

Why keep people like this alive?

I'm pro-death penalty.

sorry if that offends.

I'm certainly not offended and I wouldn't shed a tear if that fuckbag or others like got strapped down to Old Sparky, but I'm opposed to the death penalty because our justice system is imperfect, and I don't think any imperfect system should have the power to take a life.

542 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:06:38am

Okay, so Bloomberg just explained the reason for the evacuation is not wind effects, but the storm surge, and that that is still predicted to be large and powerful, even though the storm has declined in power. Makes sense.

543 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:08:05am

re: #540 Obdicut

Yeah, I've just never been in an apartment building for a big storm before. I only saw the air conditioning recommendation on one site, and I think it's pretty half-baked, myself.

I'm in the middle of Manhattan, on the 4th floor, so I won't have to worry about floods. We've got tons of food, tons of water, tons of already-ground coffee, some concentrated iced coffee if our gas goes out, tons of cat food, lots of food, batteries, an AM radio, batteries, lighters, candles. etc. etc. etc.

I think it's over-hyped too, but preparation isn't a bad thing. On the evacuation stuff, I have no clue, not being anything close to an expert.

I started keeping emergency supplies a few years ago. Sardines, peanut butter, rice, beans, etc. this time of year I have a month or two supply of food and water on hand. Later this fall once I harvest squash, quinoa, etc I could make it 5-6 months without needing outside help.

544 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:08:09am

re: #542 Obdicut

Okay, so Bloomberg just explained the reason for the evacuation is not wind effects, but the storm surge, and that that is still predicted to be large and powerful, even though the storm has declined in power. Makes sense.

Yeah. Makes so much sense that he's not ordering the evacuation of Rikers Island.

545 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:08:39am

re: #540 Obdicut

Yeah, I've just never been in an apartment building for a big storm before. I only saw the air conditioning recommendation on one site, and I think it's pretty half-baked, myself.

I'm in the middle of Manhattan, on the 4th floor, so I won't have to worry about floods. We've got tons of food, tons of water, tons of already-ground coffee, some concentrated iced coffee if our gas goes out, tons of cat food, lots of food, batteries, an AM radio, batteries, lighters, candles. etc. etc. etc.

I think it's over-hyped too, but preparation isn't a bad thing. On the evacuation stuff, I have no clue, not being anything close to an expert.

If you pull out the unit, you're going to have a hole in your wall. Then you're going to have to board it up and all that work is going to piss you off when you don't need to do it.

You don't want things blowing around outside that can bash your windows, but your high up. The only way a window will be breached if it something flies into it, but you won't have that trouble. Same with trees, if a tree falls into the house, but I still don't think that's going to be a problem for most people.

There are two wind issues with these storms. Sustained winds, that's constant pounding and gusts, periodic winds or squalls. I don't think there's going to be serious sustained winds because of how fast it's moving and the winds aren't high enough to do serious structural damage. On a house, you could lose some tiles on the roof, but not if it's a tropical storm.

Obviously, you don't want to go outside!

If they overhype and a serious storm comes through, people won't pay attention especially since you guys never get these storms.

546 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:09:16am

re: #544 Gus 802

Yeah. Makes so much sense that he's not ordering the evacuation of Rikers Island.

That's so shitty. Fuck.

547 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:09:21am

re: #542 Obdicut

Okay, so Bloomberg just explained the reason for the evacuation is not wind effects, but the storm surge, and that that is still predicted to be large and powerful, even though the storm has declined in power. Makes sense.

Flooding is an issue. Do you usually flood where you are in a bad storm?

548 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:09:47am

re: #547 marjoriemoon
The basement.

549 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:11:16am

re: #546 Obdicut

That's so shitty. Fuck.

For sure. After all of his rhetoric about the impending storm surge he leaves those poor guys hanging. Of course, try getting any sympathy from Americans about prisoners. They think everyone in jail is a mass murderer not worthy of consideration. Of course, there's more than prisoners on that island and includes guards, medical, and other prison personnel. It just doesn't add up.

550 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:11:28am

re: #547 marjoriemoon

Flooding is an issue. Do you usually flood where you are in a bad storm?

No. Center of Manhattan. 4th floor. Shouldn't be a big deal.

551 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:12:06am

re: #540 Obdicut

I'm in the middle of Manhattan, on the 4th floor, so I won't have to worry about floods. We've got tons of food, tons of water, tons of already-ground coffee, some concentrated iced coffee if our gas goes out, tons of cat food, lots of food, batteries, an AM radio, batteries, lighters, candles. etc. etc. etc.

Where are your bootstraps?

552 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:12:18am

re: #549 Gus 802

I think they just didn't plan out anything to deal with this, and now they're caught with their pants down, because, as you say, nobody gives a shit about prisoners.

That could be really bad.

553 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:14:05am

re: #550 Obdicut

No. Center of Manhattan. 4th floor. Shouldn't be a big deal.

Good morning.. Be safe Obdi...Has anyone heard from Lawhawk?

554 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:14:37am

re: #548 PhillyPretzel

The basement.

Ahh... we don't have this problem. We don't have basements either LOL Have they reported suggestions for that? Sandbags or boarding up those lower windows?

555 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:15:48am

re: #553 HoosierHoops

Good morning.. Be safe Obdi...Has anyone heard from Lawhawk?

He checked in on the thread yesterday. He seemed well-prepared and unworried.

We're starting to get the rain now.

556 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:16:18am

re: #552 Obdicut

I think they just didn't plan out anything to deal with this, and now they're caught with their pants down, because, as you say, nobody gives a shit about prisoners.

That could be really bad.

I'm totally ready to eat my words, but I don't think this is going to be so bad. Rikers is high up no? With a giant wall around it?

557 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:16:32am

Alright, I've emailed Bloomberg, the White House, and the Governor's office about Riker's Island, for all the good it'll do.

558 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:17:25am

No rain yet. Lots of clouds. Wind still out of the East

559 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:17:30am

re: #552 Obdicut

I think they just didn't plan out anything to deal with this, and now they're caught with their pants down, because, as you say, nobody gives a shit about prisoners.

That could be really bad.

Fortunately this is just a Cat I and will not be "the storm of the century". However, I still question the priorities here. If Bloomberg is talking as he does he should include the prisoners in the evacuation plans.

560 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:18:38am

re: #559 Gus 802

Fortunately this is just a Cat I and will not be "the storm of the century". However, I still question the priorities here. If Bloomberg is talking as he does he should include the prisoners in the evacuation plans.

I think they're safer than you guys, quite frankly. Lots of heavy cement walls. They should move people into the prison!

561 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:20:36am

re: #560 marjoriemoon

I think they're safer than you guys, quite frankly. Lots of heavy cement walls. They should move people into the prison!

I'm in California right now. ;)

562 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:21:03am

re: #561 Gus 802

I'm in California right now. ;)

Hmmm... I predict you're safest of all!

563 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:21:13am

re: #561 Gus 802

I'm in California right now. ;)

Earthquakes and radiation and tsunamis and alien invaders.

564 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:21:30am

re: #561 Gus 802

I'm in California right now. ;)

*deadpan*. Must be nice.

//

565 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:21:30am

re: #560 marjoriemoon

Yeah, but the flooding is still a potentially huge problem there. It's barely above sea level.

566 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:22:52am

11:00 AM EDT Sat Aug 27
Location: 35.2°N 76.4°W
Max sustained: 85 mph
Moving: NNE at 15 mph
Min pressure: 952 mb

567 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:23:09am

re: #560 marjoriemoon

I think they're safer than you guys, quite frankly. Lots of heavy cement walls. They should move people into the prison!

Beside that, the maximum sustained winds of Irene is 85 mph. We used to design homes in Denver with wind load criteria of 85 mph, exposure "C". Homes along the east coast are designed with higher wind speed loads. Here's a map for more information. It's a bit generalized:

Image: Windload.jpg

568 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:23:32am

re: #552 Obdicut

I think they just didn't plan out anything to deal with this, and now they're caught with their pants down, because, as you say, nobody gives a shit about prisoners.

That could be really bad.

15,000 (+/-) prisoners
7,000 corrections officers
1,500 civilian

Yes, there should be a contingency plan to move/take the prisoners somewhere else in case of a natural disaster, but like most people living in the city that aren't seeking 'higher ground" (like yourself) or have an alternative to staying, what would the alternative for Rikers be?

569 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:24:09am

re: #567 Gus 802


Decutur just posted this:

"I just checked the topographical data for Rikers and the National Hurricane Center’s storm surge risk profile, and it seems that in the worst-case scenario (if NYC took a direct hit from a category 3 hurricane), parts of Rikers island would flood, but the vast majority of structures would not be at risk. The bulk of the island is about 25′ above sea level, with the eastern part reaching heights of >60′. In a direct hit under a category 3 storm, the island would be at risk of 22′-24′ surges. While that’s not a great safety buffer, both the track of the storm taking it directly over the east river, and the strength of the storm maintaining cat. 3 winds that far up the coast are highly unlikely. That said, it’s very disturbing that the city does not have an island-wide evacuation plan as the unthinkable is (remotely) possible."

So, that they don't have a plan sucks, but it should be okay.

570 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:24:28am

re: #556 marjoriemoon

I'm totally ready to eat my words, but I don't think this is going to be so bad. Rikers is high up no? With a giant wall around it?

As long as they have good drainage, they should be fine. Technically, it's a zone A level area. As long as nobody drowns, nobody will care that 12,000 prisoners were put at risk. But if pumps fail, a low lying block isn't evacuated and a bunch of people drown, then Bloomberg is going to be helping NYC pay off some considerable law suits.

571 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:25:00am

re: #566 Varek Raith

11:00 AM EDT Sat Aug 27
Location: 35.2°N 76.4°W
Max sustained: 85 mph
Moving: NNE at 15 mph
Min pressure: 952 mb

15mph is QUICK. And it hasn't gotten to NY yet which means the winds will probably subside.

572 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:25:09am

re: #569 Obdicut

Decutur just posted this:

So, that they don't have a plan sucks, but it should be okay.

As will most everyone else in NYC.

573 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:25:26am

re: #565 Obdicut

Yeah, but the flooding is still a potentially huge problem there. It's barely above sea level.

Yea, but it has a wall around it.

574 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:25:29am

Hello from the Southland.
Best thoughts and prayers for you all in the path. Be well. Be safe.

575 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:25:44am

re: #568 sattv4u2

15,000 (+/-) prisoners
7,000 corrections officers
1,500 civilian

Yes, there should be a contingency plan to move/take the prisoners somewhere else in case of a natural disaster,

Yeah. That's my point. The rest of what you said really doesn't matter. Find somewhere. An army base, a FEMA camp (helicopters!) etc. "It's too hard" is not an excuse.


Hell, even the possibility of the prison being without power, which might happen, seems pretty dangerous.

576 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:27:16am

re: #541 Atlas Fails

I'm certainly not offended and I wouldn't shed a tear if that fuckbag or others like got strapped down to Old Sparky, but I'm opposed to the death penalty because our justice system is imperfect, and I don't think any imperfect system should have the power to take a life.

I'm against the death penalty and it doesn't offend me, either. But one of the main reasons I'm against it is the state should not be used for people to take out their selective aggressions on others, and it's also arbitrarily applied. There are too many other cases equally horrid that people just don't know about, but will yell death penalty at things they do know about.

Another example from just a year ago: this pediatrician killed her own child. It even made the news but because (imo) the girl was adopted and thus socially expendable nobody really gave a crap.

Deborah Mark faces license revocation, arraignment

Authorities said the child was the victim of “extensive and extended” child abuse. She died July 2 after police responded to the Mark residence at 441 Laurel Hill Drive in the Autumn Ridge subdivision in Providence. The parents, who also have an 8-year-old biological daughter, were indicted on multiple charges by the Wilson County grand jury July 12 after a 10-day investigation.

Charges for Dr. Mark include one count of Felony First Degree Murder, one count Perpetration of Aggravated Child Abuse, one count Aggravated Child Abuse, and four counts Child Abuse. Charges for Steven Mark include one count Aggravated Child Abuse and Neglect, one count Criminal Responsibility for Aggravated Child Abuse, one count Aggravated Assault by Failure to Protect, four counts Child Abuse and one count Accessory After the Fact.

It went somewhat under the radar because of the other adoption horror in TN, the lady who put her son on a plane back to Russia, saying she no longer wished to parent him. I still don't know what kind of time Dr. Marks has to do for her murder.

But hey, gay marriage/adoption...that's bad for the chillllllldrennnnnnn e_e

577 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:29:09am

re: #575 Obdicut

The rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

What part, because I think it all "matters"?

"It's too hard" is not an excuse.

I didn't see that in Bloombergs statement to what Gus posted

even the possibility of the prison being without power, which might happen,

Like any large complex, I'm sure they have their own UPS system

578 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:29:18am

re: #567 Gus 802

Beside that. The maximum sustained winds of Irene is 85 mph. We used to design homes in Denver with wind load criteria of 85 mph, exposure "C". Homes along the east coast are designed with higher wind speed loads. Here's a map for more information. It's a bit generalized:

Image: Windload.jpg

Yea, but the wind will die down as it hangs over the land so I don't think it will make it to NY as a Cat 1 or just barely (that's 74-95mph).

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

This is accurate for a Cat 1:

People, livestock, and pets struck by flying or falling debris could be injured or killed. Older (mainly pre-1994 construction) mobile homes could be destroyed, especially if they are not anchored properly as they tend to shift or roll off their foundations. Newer mobile homes that are anchored properly can sustain damage involving the removal of shingle or metal roof coverings, and loss of vinyl siding, as well as damage to carports, sunrooms, or lanais. Some poorly constructed frame homes can experience major damage, involving loss of the roof covering and damage to gable ends as well as the removal of porch coverings and awnings. Unprotected windows may break if struck by flying debris. Masonry chimneys can be toppled. Well-constructed frame homes could have damage to roof shingles, vinyl siding, soffit panels, and gutters. Failure of aluminum, screened-in, swimming pool enclosures can occur. Some apartment building and shopping center roof coverings could be partially removed. Industrial buildings can lose roofing and siding especially from windward corners, rakes, and eaves. Failures to overhead doors and unprotected windows will be common. Windows in high-rise buildings can be broken by flying debris. Falling and broken glass will pose a significant danger even after the storm. There will be occasional damage to commercial signage, fences, and canopies. Large branches of trees will snap and shallow rooted trees can be toppled. Extensive damage to power lines and poles will likely result in power outages that could last a few to several days. Hurricane Dolly (2008) is an example of a hurricane that brought Category 1 winds and impacts to South Padre Island, Texas.

579 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:29:28am

re: #575 Obdicut

Yeah. That's my point. The rest of what you said really doesn't matter. Find somewhere. An army base, a FEMA camp (helicopters!) etc. "It's too hard" is not an excuse.

Hell, even the possibility of the prison being without power, which might happen, seems pretty dangerous.

There should be a plan in place, but the day before it is 'too hard'. There are no secure holding facilities with empty cell space to be had, and an army base is about as secure as a Boy Scout camp (all their designs are to keep bad guys out, not in).

580 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:29:34am

Mean elevation of Manhattan is 73 meters ASL or approximately 239.5 feet ASL. Some areas of NYC are lower such as Queens which seems to be around 70 feet ASL.

581 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:29:51am

re: #577 sattv4u2

What part, because I think it all "matters"?

No. They should have a plan in place. That it might be challenging to do doesn't matter. They should have one.

582 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:30:50am

re: #575 Obdicut

re: #577 sattv4u2

The rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

What part, because I think it all "matters"?

"It's too hard" is not an excuse.

I didn't see that in Bloombergs statement to what Gus posted

even the possibility of the prison being without power, which might happen,

Like any large complex, I'm sure they have their own UPS system

There are schools, medical clinics, ball fields, chapels, gyms, drug rehab programs, grocery stores, barbershops, a bakery, a laundromat, a power plant, a track, a tailor shop, a print shop, a bus depot and even a car wash

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

583 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:31:20am

re: #578 marjoriemoon

Yea, but the wind will die down as it hangs over the land so I don't think it will make it to NY as a Cat 1 or just barely (that's 74-95mph).

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

This is accurate for a Cat 1:

Precisely. It will die down to a tropical storm with lower sustained wind speeds. The probability of storm surges into Manhattan are also not very high according to NOAA.

584 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:31:56am

re: #581 Obdicut

No. They should have a plan in place. That it might be challenging to do doesn't matter. They should have one.

Thats what I stated
Yes, there should be a contingency plan to move/take the prisoners somewhere else in case of a natural disaster


I don't know what you meant by
The rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

585 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:32:31am

re: #579 Decatur Deb

There should be a plan in place, but the day before it is 'too hard'. There are no secure holding facilities with empty cell space to be had, and an army base is about as secure as a Boy Scout camp (all their designs are to keep bad guys out, not in).

Sure. Not arguing that. Hell, evacuating un-jailed people has a lot of hazards to it, too.

586 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:33:13am

re: #584 sattv4u2

I don't know what you meant by
The rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

I mean that the rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

587 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:33:43am

re: #569 Obdicut

How do we know they have no plan?
Perhaps they looked at the prison and it's design strength and decided it's a shelter in place stricture? I would expect they would have generators too. Even if they are just thinking of the corrections officers safety.

I got no clue whats really up with this. These plans would not be public.

588 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:34:08am

re: #568 sattv4u2

15,000 (+/-) prisoners
7,000 corrections officers
1,500 civilian

Yes, there should be a contingency plan to move/take the prisoners somewhere else in case of a natural disaster, but like most people living in the city that aren't seeking 'higher ground" (like yourself) or have an alternative to staying, what would the alternative for Rikers be?

Eh, they're just lousy criminals from immoral/urban/samething families. People like that deserve to drown, anyway, criminal or not.

589 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:35:07am

re: #570 darthstar

As long as they have good drainage, they should be fine. Technically, it's a zone A level area. As long as nobody drowns, nobody will care that 12,000 prisoners were put at risk. But if pumps fail, a low lying block isn't evacuated and a bunch of people drown, then Bloomberg is going to be helping NYC pay off some considerable law suits.

There's not going to be enough water to drown. I seriously doubt it. Remember, it's moving quickly, unless it stalls. They haven't talked about, or I haven't heard, how much rain is involved with this storm. Andrew was extremely dry. All wind and little rain. These storms do tend to spawn tornadoes which devastated ares of Miami, but again, you don't have the winds for that.

They're talking storm surge of 8-10"? I think the prisoners are safer than most people inside their cells.

590 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:35:28am

re: #586 Obdicut

I mean that the rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

What. That the great majority of people in and around NYC aren't leaving either? Sorry, I believe it does matter. It's not like the entire city is fleeing and they're leaving just the prisoners son Rikers behind to sink or swim (literally and figuratively)

591 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:35:41am

re: #587 Rightwingconspirator

How do we know they have no plan?

Because the department of corrections has said there is no plan.

According to the city’s Department of Correction, no hypothetical evacuation plan for the roughly 12,000 inmates that the facility may house on a given day even exists. Contingencies do exist for smaller-scale relocations from one facility to another.

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

592 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:36:14am

re: #587 Rightwingconspirator

How do we know they have no plan?
Perhaps they looked at the prison and it's design strength and decided it's a shelter in place stricture? I would expect they would have generators too. Even if they are just thinking of the corrections officers safety.

I got no clue whats really up with this. These plans would not be public.

There are schools, medical clinics, ball fields, chapels, gyms, drug rehab programs, grocery stores, barbershops, a bakery, a laundromat, a power plant, a track, a tailor shop, a print shop, a bus depot and even a car wash

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

593 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:36:47am

re: #577 sattv4u2

The rest of what you said really doesn't matter.

What part, because I think it all "matters"?

"It's too hard" is not an excuse.

I didn't see that in Bloombergs statement to what Gus posted

even the possibility of the prison being without power, which might happen,

Like any large complex, I'm sure they have their own UPS system

I'm sure Rikers has more generator systems than most hospitals.

594 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:36:53am

re: #579 Decatur Deb

Wherever hard core violent offense prisoners go they are the threat to public safety.

595 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:37:16am

re: #588 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

This storm won't kill anyone on Rikers, and the good news is that it will cause enough finger-pointing to get them started on real contingency plans, like moving everybody to borscht-belt hotels in the Poconos.

596 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:38:08am

re: #593 marjoriemoon

I'm sure Rikers has more generator systems than most hospitals.


There are schools, medical clinics, ball fields, chapels, gyms, drug rehab programs, grocery stores, barbershops, a bakery, a laundromat, a power plant, a track, a tailor shop, a print shop, a bus depot and even a car wash

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

597 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:38:16am

Storm Most over-hyped storm of the century!

Still seems like it from where I'm sitting. It's a Cat. I. It's hitting North Carolina now and now reports of any devastation.

Damn it I think I've heard enough BS from Mayor Mike "I Don 't Give a Crap about Prisoner's Lives" Bloomberg and Governor Christie.

598 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:38:50am

re: #595 Decatur Deb

This storm won't kill anyone on Rikers, and the good news is that it will cause enough finger-pointing to get them started on real contingency plans, like moving everybody to borscht-belt hotels in the Poconos.

Wingnuts aren't concerned with that sort of thing. All they care about is revenge against people they don't know who commit crimes against yet others they don't know. The thought of Rikers inmates twisting in the wind is pron for them.

599 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:38:55am

re: #592 sattv4u2

There are schools, medical clinics, ball fields, chapels, gyms, drug rehab programs, grocery stores, barbershops, a bakery, a laundromat, a power plant, a track, a tailor shop, a print shop, a bus depot and even a car wash

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

How do I find a home on this island Nirvana?

600 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:39:36am

Btw, and this is REALLY IMPORTANT, most injuries and loss of life comes AFTER the storm. Especially people trying to clear debris around downed power lines when there's a lot of water about. DON'T BE A HERO for goodness sake and stay away from any power lines.

601 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:39:54am

re: #599 darthstar

How do I find a home on this island Nirvana?

Walk up to a NYC policeman and act like your charming self for awhile!!
//

602 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:40:24am

IRENE IS FORECAST TO GRADUALLY WEAKEN AS IT MOVES ALONG THE EAST
COAST OF THE UNITED STATES DUE TO LAND INTERACTION.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

This update brought to you by the "no shit" file.:)

603 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:40:30am

re: #599 darthstar

How do I find a home on this island Nirvana?

It's sort of like going Galt, but with a lot of court dates.

604 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:41:01am

re: #591 Obdicut

Okay I stand corrected. But I can't help thinking a prisons innate strength makes it an excellent shelter compared to almost any other kind of building.

Whoops my client for the latest video project has arrived. So I have to log out and get to work.

605 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:42:22am

re: #604 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I stand corrected. But I can't help thinking a prisons innate strength makes it an excellent shelter compared to almost any other kind of building.

Whoops my client for the latest video project has arrived. So I have to log out and get to work.

Sheriff officers can bring their families to the local jail here. Fucking thing is a concrete monster.

606 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:42:39am

re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar

IRENE IS FORECAST TO GRADUALLY WEAKEN AS IT MOVES ALONG THE EAST
COAST OF THE UNITED STATES DUE TO LAND INTERACTION.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

This update brought to you by the "no shit" file.:)

What I said. The storm is good for the economy. Gets you to by a lot of shit you're not going to need.

Please consider giving your canned goods to food banks when this is over.

607 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:03am

re: #601 sattv4u2

That gets you put in Rikers? /

Thin skinned cops, I guess. /

608 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:43am

re: #606 marjoriemoon

What I said. The storm is good for the economy. Gets you to by a lot of shit you're not going to need.

Please consider giving your canned goods to food banks when this is over.

I didn't see what you said but I always give away the canned goods at the end of the season.:)

609 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:44:56am

re: #607 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That gets you put in Rikers? /

Thin skinned cops, I guess. /

You haven't met darthstar, I see

/

610 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:45:09am

re: #606 marjoriemoon

What I said. The storm is good for the economy. Gets you to by a lot of shit you're not going to need.

Please consider giving your canned goods to food banks when this is over.

I like it. It's even kind of funny at the same time.

611 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:45:31am

re: #594 Rightwingconspirator

Wherever hard core violent offense prisoners go they are the threat to public safety.

Riker's has a ton of non-violent felons. And kids.

612 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:47:16am

re: #611 Obdicut

Riker's has a ton of non-violent felons. And kids.

Murderers! Rapists! Looters of television sets! KILL THEM!

613 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:47:39am

And Riker's holds people who couldn't make bail, so it also has, you know, innocent people on it.

614 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:47:42am

re: #610 Gus 802

I like it. It's even kind of funny at the same time.

LOL I was screaming all night last night at the freakin hype over this storm. But lawhawk really nailed it when he said that Bloomberg is overcompensating because of the blizzard. It's not going to be any better this time. One issue was not enough and the other is too much.

615 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:49:47am

Current eye location is just north of Mesic NC.

Humidity: 97 %
Wind Speed: N 46 G 74 MPH
Barometer: 28.50" (965.0 mb)
Dewpoint: 75 °F (24 °C)
Heat Index: 75 °F (24 °C)
Visibility: 0.25 mi.

616 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:50:10am

re: #613 Obdicut

And Riker's holds people who couldn't make bail, so it also has, you know, innocent people on it.

Hardened criminals from inner city single-parent fatherless families! Unrehabilitatable! PULL THE PLUG stop wasting my hard-earned tax dollars!!!!

617 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:50:43am

re: #616 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

So close!!!:)

618 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:51:08am

So I log on a few minutes ago, and my first Rotating Title is this:

There are three separate facts here which have to be kept separate.

Last Tuesday I said this:

977 wrenchwench 8/23/2011 9:26:19 am PDT

OK, I gotta chain myself to the repair stand today. As a parting shot, I think this should rotate:

There are three separate facts here which have to be kept separate

Is that Technology? Coincidence? Magic? An Omen?

619 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:51:47am

Some stupid moron on the weather channel had the gall to say that this is going to be the most devastating storm of the century. REALLY???

I hate those people.

620 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:52:34am

re: #617 Cannadian Club Akbar

So close!!!:)

The con cutthroat law/order mentality is alive, well, and living on planet earth.

621 wee fury  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:52:35am

Shepard Smith, where are you?

622 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:53:09am

re: #619 marjoriemoon

Some stupid moron on the weather channel had the gall to say that this is going to be the most devastating storm of the century. REALLY???

I hate those people.

Aren't some people there not certified by the AMS?

623 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:53:22am

re: #619 marjoriemoon

Some stupid moron on the weather channel had the gall to say that this is going to be the most devastating storm of the century. REALLY???

I hate those people.

What a joke. The fecking news media is part of the problem. And now they've accomplished a "cry wolf" scenario for future storms. Was reading some other story yesterday and they were quoting a geography professor. Read that again, a GEOGRAPHY professor.

So much for science.

624 wee fury  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:54:33am

Cry wolf.
Shepard Smith has been demoted to only fog disasters.

625 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:56:03am

re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar

Aren't some people there not certified by the AMS?

What is AMS?

Oooo I wanted to reach out and slap that woman, you have no idea.

626 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:56:54am

re: #625 marjoriemoon

What is AMS?

Oooo I wanted to reach out and slap that woman, you have no idea.

[Link: www.ametsoc.org...]

627 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:57:26am

re: #621 wee fury

Shepard Smith, where are you?

I see dead people floating in the streets!
Shep gave over the top reporting a new vista of over the top..

628 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:58:56am

re: #624 wee fury

Cry wolf.
Shepard Smith has been demoted to only fog disasters.

Our local TV has a semi-derelict reporter who must be kept on for family reasons. You know it's going to be a big Gulf blow when you see Expendable Bob chaining himself to a parking meter.

629 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:59:28am

re: #623 Gus 802

What a joke. The fecking news media is part of the problem. And now they've accomplished a "cry wolf" scenario for future storms. Was reading some other story yesterday and they were quoting a geography professor. Read that again, a GEOGRAPHY professor.

So much for science.

They are in cohoots with their sponsors so you buy a lot of crap. Honestly, we go through this BS every summer. Those of us who have been through really bad storms know the difference.

When Irene was over Hispaniola, 800 miles away, they were telling people to start boarding up just so they could give Home Depot and Loews a boost. And I just saw some article that showed pics of the Dominican Republic to prove examples of "devastation." First off, those people live in cardboard boxes. Secondly, the storm was a Cat 3 over Hispaniola.

It really twists my knickers.

630 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:00:00am

Ron Paul on hurricane response: "We should be like 1900"

After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.

"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.

631 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:00:51am

Bird bath
Image: x1KEs.jpg

632 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:19am

I'm surprised no one's posted this yet.

633 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:26am

re: #629 marjoriemoon

Did you see/post this?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

634 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:42am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

Bird bath
Image: x1KEs.jpg

That's a great pic.

635 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:54am

re: #630 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul on hurricane response: "We should be like 1900"

I wish someone would hurry up and invent the time machine, so he can be shipped back to 1900.

Dumb confederate.

636 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:55am

re: #626 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.ametsoc.org...]

Ah ok. Bryan Norcoss is on TWC now. I haven't followed him in years, but he's a brilliant man and quite frankly is single handedly responsible for saving lives in Andrew.

I saw a couple shots of him on TWC and I don't know whether he's given in to the hype. I would be disappointed if he has.

637 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:02:05am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

Bird bath
Image: x1KEs.jpg

WTF is wrong with that bird's head!!!

638 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:02:18am

re: #521 Obdicut

Nice false dichotomy to start off with. There's no reason to think that if we don't execute people, the likelihood of being murdered is higher.

Nice. Don't bother to make an argument. Just make an assertion, claim it 'surely' must be true, and be done with it.

After all, it's not like people who murder people live any sort of life where being murdered themselves is a likely risk.

Sheesh. It's like a 'poor logic' competition.

Well, you win, hands down.

There is plenty of evidence, even in the literature, that punishment deters crime. Good grief. You will actually argue that the death penalty is not a deterrent? Or even that it's a dubious assertion that requires proof?

If you wanted to, you could argue that the lives of atrocious killers are still sacrosanct, and that they should be permitted to live out their natural span. That's something that at any rate cannot be disproved. You could argue that they might eventually mend their ways, and we shouldn't give up on them. But nooo. You have to go and argue that they don't reckon their odds.

639 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:03:03am

re: #636 marjoriemoon

Norcross had a part in the "made for TV movie" about Andrew. I like him.

640 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:05:09am

re: #638 lostlakehiker

Well, you win, hands down.

There is plenty of evidence, even in the literature, that punishment deters crime.

9_9

Sure, if you count comic books about superheroes as "the literature".

What is it with repression-happy cons, anyway? Is it just that they need threats of punishment for their own thoughts and deeds?

641 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:05:40am

Nags Head NC

Humidity: 89 %
Wind Speed: SE 36 G 56 MPH
Barometer: 28.90"
Dewpoint: 73 °F (23 °C)
Heat Index: 78 °F (26 °C)
Visibility: 1.25 mi.

Quack!

642 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:06:42am

It just started to rain. It is also windy too. :(

643 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:06:53am

re: #633 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you see/post this?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Oh Moses smell the roses! I should be on the Weather Channel LOL

Irene is due to make its first U.S. landfall in North Carolina on Saturday. The storm, which battered Atlantic and Caribbean islands including the Bahamas and the Dominican Republic, is then expected to head to the densely populated Northeast.

644 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:07:24am

re: #637 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF is wrong with that bird's head!!!

"In case they're taking pictures. Barry says you come out blurry"

645 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:08:15am

re: #639 Cannadian Club Akbar

Norcross had a part in the "made for TV movie" about Andrew. I like him.

He's a scientist. He's brilliant and knows a bit about everything. A bit? A lot.

646 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:08:45am

Current location. 35.2°N 76.4°W

North of eye, Germantown, NC

Humidity: 79 %
Wind Speed: NE 32 G 41 MPH
Barometer: 29.17"
Dewpoint: 70 °F (21 °C)
Heat Index: 79 °F (26 °C)
Visibility: 3.00 mi.

647 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:09:26am

re: #638 lostlakehiker

There is plenty of evidence, even in the literature, that punishment deters crime. Good grief. You will actually argue that the death penalty is not a deterrent? Or even that it's a dubious assertion that requires proof?

I not only argued it, I backed it up with facts. Give it a shot sometime.

If you wanted to, you could argue that the lives of atrocious killers are still sacrosanct, and that they should be permitted to live out their natural span.

No desire to do that, thanks. Not sure why you think I would.

You have to go and argue that they don't reckon their odds.

Yep. A lot of murderers come from places where their most likely cause of death is, in fact, being murdered themselves. It's something they live with all the time, and yet somehow you think they'll be terrified of death row.

[Link: informant.kalwnews.org...]

[Link: jacksonville.com...]

If you want, at any point, to back up your claims, feel free. Explain, for example, why the murder rate in states without death penalties are lower than in those with death penalties.

But as long as you keep simply asserting things, I'm not going to have any respect for your claims. They're not even an argument.

648 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:09:30am

re: #526 Obdicut

Meanwhile, in reality, the murder rates in non-death penalty states are consistently lower than those in death-penalty states.

[Link: www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...]

And law enforcement does not see it as an effective deterrent.

[Link: www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...]

Image: LawEnforcementViews.jpg

And, of course, criminologists overwhelming say that is not a deterrent.

Image: deter9608.jpg

But hey, what do experts, police chiefs, and actual facts know about the subject? "Surely" it must be true that the death penalty is a great deterrent.

The correlation is causation fallacy. Here we go, logic 101.

Homes with rat traps set out have more rats. That doesn't prove that rat traps cause rats. The death penalty is the response to the problem, not the cause of the problem.

If police chiefs think that other steps than the death penalty give more bang for the buck, they're probably right. So what? The whole idea of punishment, of any sort, is that the prospect of the punishment is a deterrent. And it is.

Why would the death penalty be any different?

649 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:10:11am

re: #637 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF is wrong with that bird's head!!!

Exorcist head.

650 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:11:20am

re: #648 lostlakehiker

The death penalty is the response to the problem, not the cause of the problem.

So, according to you, without the death penalty in place these states would be seeing much higher murder rates-- because it is a deterrent?

Can you back that up at all?

The whole idea of punishment, of any sort, is that the prospect of the punishment is a deterrent. And it is.

If I did a shot every time you made an unbacked assertion in the cause of an argument, I'd die of liver failure.

What is the aversion you have to actually supporting your argument?

651 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:11:27am

re: #645 marjoriemoon

He's a scientist. He's brilliant and knows a bit about everything. A bit? A lot.

I know all about him. I don't recall how long he was on the air during Andrew but I remember he needed a shave when he was done.

652 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:11:52am

re: #640 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

9_9

Sure, if you count comic books about superheroes as "the literature".

What is it with repression-happy cons, anyway? Is it just that they need threats of punishment for their own thoughts and deeds?

Do you think speeders should get tickets? Or just wished a nice day? What is it with liberals, that they profess not to understand things which are obvious to all, even them?

653 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:12:51am

"Shit, I better not murder the drug dealer who I compete with and has already shot me once. I might go to death row! Instead, I'll try just winging him a little, since that doesn't have a death penalty."

Makes tons of sense.

//

654 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:13:36am

re: #640 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

9_9

Sure, if you count comic books about superheroes as "the literature".

What is it with repression-happy cons, anyway? Is it just that they need threats of punishment for their own thoughts and deeds?

If the threat of eternal hellfire and damnation isn't enough to get people to kiss god's butt and accept his kid as their savior, what's to make us think the threat of death will deter crime?

Then again, maybe the threat of the death penalty is all that stands between conservatives and killing sprees.

655 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:15:51am

re: #638 lostlakehiker

Well, you win, hands down.

There is plenty of evidence, even in the literature, that punishment deters crime. Good grief. You will actually argue that the death penalty is not a deterrent? Or even that it's a dubious assertion that requires proof?

If you wanted to, you could argue that the lives of atrocious killers are still sacrosanct, and that they should be permitted to live out their natural span. That's something that at any rate cannot be disproved. You could argue that they might eventually mend their ways, and we shouldn't give up on them. But nooo. You have to go and argue that they don't reckon their odds.

My opinion has many shades and is complex on the Death Penalty...
First off..I don't believe the death penalty is a deterrent.. I believe it should only be a punishment for a crime that screams out and demands justice . Well justice determined by 12 Americans sitting in a room..America has a great system of Justice.. Yes it has faults but it continues to grow and develop..
Remember before we all got here.. They would hang your ass for just being a black man in America.. You would get arrested for shit being Irish in NYC..The police would sic their dogs on you in Birmingham..
America has come a long way..There is a long road ahead of us but the future is bright

656 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:16:17am

Most dangerous probability is likely inland in states like Pennsylvania due to flash flooding from heavy rains.

657 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:16:32am

re: #652 lostlakehiker

Do you think speeders should get tickets? Or just wished a nice day? What is it with liberals, that they profess not to understand things which are obvious to all, even them?

Out of curiosity, if guns were made illegal and acquiring illegal firearms was punished harshly, would that harsh penalty be a deterrent, or would bad guys still get guns because they don't obey the law?

658 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:16:41am

re: #650 Obdicut

So, according to you, without the death penalty in place these states would be seeing much higher murder rates-- because it is a deterrent?

Can you back that up at all?

If I did a shot every time you made an unbacked assertion in the cause of an argument, I'd die of liver failure.

What is the aversion you have to actually supporting your argument?

It's tiresome to prove that the sun rises in the East. The death penalty is an instance of punishment. If you grant that tickets deter speeding, then why argue that other penalties don't deter other crimes?

659 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:17:08am

re: #651 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know all about him. I don't recall how long he was on the air during Andrew but I remember he needed a shave when he was done.

You're going to laugh, but I went out and bought a Tshirt with him on it after the storm :) I still have it. He was our hero.

660 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:17:41am

Good Tweet by someone I just found:

Seth_Fried Seth Fried
If your apartment is hit by a dolphin, DO NOT GO OUT TO SEE IF THE DOLPHIN IS OKAY. That's how the hurricane tricks you into coming outside.

661 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:19:04am

re: #660 ProLifeLiberal

Good Tweet by someone I just found:

LOL LAND SHARK!

662 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:19:13am

The deterrent with incarceration or death (as in death penalty), isn't that people are scared off from committing crimes. The deterrent is that long prison sentences or the death penalty keep people from being on the streets where they may continue to murder.

I'm of the "life is sacrosanct" mindset, and I don't think they government should be in the business of having its citizens sit on a jury to decide to kill another human being. I couldn't do it. It would be, for me, the same as me killing the person outright myself.

663 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:19:15am

re: #656 Gus 802
And on top of all of the rain we have we do not need any more. And of course we get another load.

664 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:20:05am

re: #654 darthstar

If the threat of eternal hellfire and damnation isn't enough to get people to kiss god's butt and accept his kid as their savior, what's to make us think the threat of death will deter crime?

Then again, maybe the threat of the death penalty is all that stands between conservatives and killing sprees.

How do you know that this damnation threat has not influenced anybody? But of course, for many, it's not credible.

665 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:20:12am

re: #661 marjoriemoon

LOL LAND SHARK!

[Video]

fins on the left
fins on the right
and she's the only bait in own

666 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:22:52am

re: #658 lostlakehiker

It's tiresome to prove that the sun rises in the East.

Sure. But you can do it, rather easily. In your case, you can't actually back up what you're saying.

The death penalty is an instance of punishment.

Sure.

If you grant that tickets deter speeding, then why argue that other penalties don't deter other crimes?

For the following reasons:

1. Many of those who commit murder are coming from backgrounds where they're #1 most likely cause of death is homicide. These are not people for whom the idea of death is foreign or especially intimidating. Many of them actually have their expected lifespan increased by going to death row.

2. Because someone who's speeding has something significant to lose. Get enough tickets and your insurance premiums rise. Get a single ticket and it's still immediate money out of your pocket. ANd yet, nearly everyone still speeds. So it may be useful in keeping people from speeding much, but not from speeding at all. So you're comparing a qualitative thing with a quantitative thing.

Honestly, do you seriously think comparing approaches to speeding and murder is actually a good idea? You really think policing strategies to deal with those are similar or comparable?

3. Because speeding tickets operate with a very low bar of evidence, and are easy to prove. Everyone gets away with some amount of speeding, but if you get caught, you'll most likely pay the price. The majority of homicides in many areas go unsolved-- many are even basically uninvestigated. Those committing the murders are often going to jail on other charges anyway. Prison is also a punishment; since to you punishment is all efficacious, why is the death penalty more efficacious than prison?

Seriously. You haven't made an argument. You might as well just type "The death penalty is a deterrent" over and over, because nothing else you've said ads up to jack shit.

667 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:23:43am

re: #664 lostlakehiker

How do you know that this damnation threat has not influenced anybody? But of course, for many, it's not credible.

Oh, I'm sure it's influenced people - Bachmann, Perry, Huckabee...they all bought that line when getting saved - then they realized it was a good sales trick and have been using it ever since.

668 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:23:59am

re: #657 Renaissance_Man

Out of curiosity, if guns were made illegal and acquiring illegal firearms was punished harshly, would that harsh penalty be a deterrent, or would bad guys still get guns because they don't obey the law?

In Britain, fewer criminals carry guns. Most use knives or just trust to their size and strength. So, going on the evidence [and will you call this, too, an unsupported statement, backed only by comic books?], that penalty would be a big deterrent and would have a big impact on the rate of gun crime. Criminals do in fact reckon their odds, and this is further proof of it.

669 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:24:24am

re: #662 reine.de.tout

The deterrent with incarceration or death (as in death penalty), isn't that people are scared off from committing crimes. The deterrent is that long prison sentences or the death penalty keep people from being on the streets where they may continue to murder.

We're never going to execute enough people to actually impact the murder rate significantly. And that's not actually the meaning of 'deterrent'. A deterrent, in criminologists parlance, is something that makes someone not commit a crime because of the consequences.

670 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:26:00am
My opinion has many shades and is complex on the Death Penalty...
First off..I don't believe the death penalty is a deterrent.. I believe it should only be a punishment for a crime that screams out and demands justice . Well justice determined by 12 Americans sitting in a room..America has a great system of Justice.. Yes it has faults but it continues to grow and develop..
Remember before we all got here.. They would hang your ass for just being a black man in America.. You would get arrested for shit being Irish in NYC..The police would sic their dogs on you in Birmingham..
America has come a long way..There is a long road ahead of us but the future is bright

As always, your opinions are well thought out, but I'd like to point out that just because we've made a lot of progress in this country doesn't mean we should be satisfied. As for the whole "crime that screams for justice" thing, I agree it's tempting to wish death on child killers and other assorted human garbage, but that criteria just seems too subjective. Just think of the West Memphis 3. It's virtually impossible to definitively prove they didn't commit the crime they're convicted of, but anyone with common sense can see there is clearly reasonable doubt and then some. They now sit in prison for life (one of them on death row) because a scared jury convicted based on prejudice and despite a total lack of evidence. Any system that can fuck things like this up so badly shouldn't have any power over life and death.

671 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:26:05am

According to the FBI, in 2008 14,180 people were murdered in America. I shudder to think what that number would be without the AMAZINGLY effective deterrent that is the death penalty...we may well be at the point where it would be easier to count the people who HAVEN'T been murdered yet! ///

672 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:27:06am

re: #668 lostlakehiker

In Britain, fewer criminals carry guns BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUY GUNS AT A FUCKING "GUN & DOLL SHOW" IN BRITAIN.

Fewer available guns = fewer criminals with guns (and no, I'm not anti-gun).

673 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:28:55am

re: #662 reine.de.tout

The deterrent with incarceration or death (as in death penalty), isn't that people are scared off from committing crimes. The deterrent is that long prison sentences or the death penalty keep people from being on the streets where they may continue to murder.

I'm of the "life is sacrosanct" mindset, and I don't think they government should be in the business of having its citizens sit on a jury to decide to kill another human being. I couldn't do it. It would be, for me, the same as me killing the person outright myself.

Oh I could do it..If I had been on the Casey Anthony Jury I would have changed the world...I would have messed with those other 11 dough heads on that Jury.. You'd buy the book and watch the lifetime movie..
*wink*
Can you imagine me on the OJ jury...
OK..I know he's guilty but should I take the whole Chris Rock approach and say I don't agree with this but I understand OJ...
I think deep inside we all want to judge people.. I have never been asked to be on a jury...I'm still waiting to involved in the trial of a Billionaire charged with killing his wife and lover in bed..

674 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:29:51am

re: #671 bratwurst

According to the FBI, in 2008 14,180 people were murdered in America. I shudder to think what that number would be without the AMAZINGLY effective deterrent that is the death penalty...we may well be at the point where it would be easier to count the people who HAVEN'T been murdered yet! ///

That's roughly the number of people killed each year in DWI accidents. Why is the penalty for sticking a gun in a 7/11 clerk's face so different than the time actually served for DWI?

675 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:32:58am

re: #669 Obdicut

We're never going to execute enough people to actually impact the murder rate significantly. And that's not actually the meaning of 'deterrent'. A deterrent, in criminologists parlance, is something that makes someone not commit a crime because of the consequences.

Obdi - right.
I'm actually perfectly aware of the definition of "deterrent".

I don't care if the threat of punishment deters a person from committing a crime.

All I care about is that criminals, particularly those responsible for heinous crimes (murder, rape, child molestation, etc), are off the street and unable to continue. And for society, THAT'S the benefit of incarceration. Not punishment, though that also serves a purpose for justice. But strictly that dangerous people aren't allowed to roam around and continue to be a danger to the rest of us.

676 BongCrodny  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:34:47am

According to Wikipedia, at least 23 countries executed prisoners in 2010.

The top 10 were: China, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, United States, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, Bangladesh and Somalia.

Why the fuck are we emulating those countries?

677 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:35:57am

re: #674 Decatur Deb

That's roughly the number of people killed each year in DWI accidents. Why is the penalty for sticking a gun in a 7/11 clerk's face so different than the time actually served for DWI?

In Florida you get 10 years automatic for robbing a 7-11 with a gun. 20 if you shoot the gun and life if you shoot someone.
DUI/Manslaughter is 15 years (although there is sometimes a plea deal)

678 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:36:25am

re: #677 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida you get 10 years automatic for robbing a 7-11 with a gun. 20 if you shoot the gun and life if you shoot someone.
DUI/Manslaughter is 15 years (although there is sometimes a plea deal)

That is just stupid.

679 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:36:50am

re: #678 Varek Raith

That is just stupid.

Which part?

680 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:37:35am

re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar

Which part?

The robber who shoots a bullet into the ceiling getting more time than someone who killed someone.

681 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:38:00am

re: #675 reine.de.tout

Obdi - right.
I'm actually perfectly aware of the definition of "deterrent".

I don't care if the threat of punishment deters a person from committing a crime.

All I care about is that criminals, particularly those responsible for heinous crimes (murder, rape, child molestation, etc), are off the street and unable to continue. And for society, THAT'S the benefit of incarceration. Not punishment, though that also serves a purpose for justice. But strictly that dangerous people aren't allowed to roam around and continue to be a danger to the rest of us.

I'm all for incarceration. Child molesters, rapists, cop and child killers, murderers for hire, serial killers, etc. Lock 'em up and throw away the key. But don't kill them. There's a fine line between protecting the public and revenge, and the state has no place exacting revenge.

682 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:38:28am

re: #675 reine.de.tout

All I care about is that criminals, particularly those responsible for heinous crimes (murder, rape, child molestation, etc), are off the street and unable to continue.

Nobody disagrees that they should be off the street, though.

nd for society, THAT'S the benefit of incarceration. Not punishment, though that also serves a purpose for justice. But strictly that dangerous people aren't allowed to roam around and continue to be a danger to the rest of us.

But that's pretty sideline to the discussion of the death penalty.

It also opens the door to other problems and questions; if the only criteria you're using is likely recidivism, then some sorts of murderers are far less likely to ever kill again than others are. That is part of why we judge 'crimes of passion' to be less worthy of long sentences than pre-meditated murders, but that's rather a rough measure, to me. Someone who killed someone in a fit of rage once seems likely, to me, to do it again, maybe more so than a guy who was obsessed with revenge against a specific person and planned out their murder exactingly.

683 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:38:46am

re: #680 Varek Raith

The robber who shoots a bullet into the ceiling getting more time than someone who killed someone.

I think Florida has some of the toughest DUI laws in the country. I'm not gonna look it up, though.

684 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:39:20am

hehe. From a friend:

Officials warn that Internet outages could force people to interact with other people for the first time in years. Residents are bracing themselves for the horror of awkward silences and unwanted eye contact. FEMA advises: “Be prepared. Write down possible topics to talk about in advance: Sports. .. Weather... Remember, a conversation is basically a series of Facebook updates strung together"

685 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:40:59am

re: #683 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think Florida has some of the toughest DUI laws in the country. I'm not gonna look it up, though.

I looked it up. Florida is #3.
[Link: www.writers-free-reference.com...]

686 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:41:11am

re: #677 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida you get 10 years automatic for robbing a 7-11 with a gun. 20 if you shoot the gun and life if you shoot someone.
DUI/Manslaughter is 15 years (although there is sometimes a plea deal)

But for the DWI, the thing that that sets the fatal accident dice tumbling, you might pull a stiff fine or an overnighter the first several times. DWI is obviously a protected decision process.

687 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:41:27am

re: #684 reine.de.tout
That is a good one.

688 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:42:25am

re: #686 Decatur Deb

But for the DWI, the thing that that sets the fatal accident dice tumbling, you might pull a stiff fine or an overnighter the first several times. DWI is obviously a protected decision process.

No. DUI and DUI/Manslaughter are different.

689 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:44:14am

re: #686 Decatur Deb

Reread what you said. Point taken.

690 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:45:30am

re: #688 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. DUI and DUI/Manslaughter are different.

How many beautiful lives have been cut short by drunk drivers?
It's really sad...So many lives lost..

691 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:45:39am

re: #687 PhillyPretzel

That is a good one.

It's sooo close to truth!

We lose our power for at least a week when we have a storm.
So here's what I found myself doing the last time:
1) I went to the Apple store in the mall when it got its power back (before we did) to check my e-mail and send a few;
2) The mall was FULL of people using the power outlets in the corridors to charge up their cell phones and laptop batteries (and I was right there with 'em!).

692 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:45:48am

re: #688 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. DUI and DUI/Manslaughter are different.

The difference is happenstance, it doesn't depend on the wisdom, skill, or virtue of the driver.

693 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:46:49am

re: #691 reine.de.tout

I'm very glad I have my wife here. I'm secretly slightly glad about the storm because it gives us more time together than we normally get.

694 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:48:23am

re: #693 Obdicut

I'm very glad I have my wife here. I'm secretly slightly glad about the storm because it gives us more time together than we normally get.

Your positive energy is harshin mah buzz.

695 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:48:35am

re: #690 HoosierHoops

How many beautiful lives have been cut short by drunk drivers?
It's really sad...So many lives lost..

There was a story here where there was a DUI crash in front of a restaurant. A nurse was eating at the place and went out to help. She was then hit by another DUI driver. She died while helping. That's fucked up.

696 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:50:21am

re: #693 Obdicut

I'm very glad I have my wife here. I'm secretly slightly glad about the storm because it gives us more time together than we normally get.

Yep.
Studies have shown a baby boomlet occurs 9 months or so after a storm.
:-)

697 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:51:55am

re: #600 marjoriemoon

Btw, and this is REALLY IMPORTANT, most injuries and loss of life comes AFTER the storm. Especially people trying to clear debris around downed power lines when there's a lot of water about. DON'T BE A HERO for goodness sake and stay away from any power lines.

I have to jet out, but I wanted to stress this again. First reported deaths from Irene:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Emergency officials in Nash County said a man was crushed to death outside his home by a large limb blown down by the storm. Nash County Emergency Management Director Brian Brantley said the man was walking outside his home in a rural area of the county about 10:20 a.m. today when the limb struck him.

People are so relieved that the storm is over, they don't pay attention. It's the most dangerous part of these storms.

698 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:52:01am

re: #696 reine.de.tout

Yep.
Studies have shown a baby boomlet occurs 9 months or so after a storm.
:-)

The NY blackout of the '60s was the classic. Can't trust N'Yawkers in the dark.

699 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:53:28am

Such naughty people.
Tsk tsk.

700 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:53:43am

re: #697 marjoriemoon

I have to jet out, but I wanted to stress this again. First reported deaths from Irene:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

People are so relieved that the storm is over, they don't pay attention. It's the most dangerous part of these storms.

This must be the blessing that Glenn Beck was talking about...

701 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:53:47am

re: #697 marjoriemoon

I have to jet out, but I wanted to stress this again. First reported deaths from Irene:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

People are so relieved that the storm is over, they don't pay attention. It's the most dangerous part of these storms.

People also seem to have a problem staying away from downed power lines.

702 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:55:32am

re: #701 Cannadian Club Akbar

People also seem to have a problem staying away from downed power lines.

Sometimes get a fatality from homeowners who screw up putting their new Sam's Club generator on the household mains.

703 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:56:14am

re: #702 Decatur Deb

Sometimes get a fatality from homeowners who screw up putting their new Sam's Club generator on the household mains.

Or putting the generator in the house.

704 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:57:51am

re: #703 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or putting the generator in the house.

Yup, and CO poisoning from indoor charcoal cooking.

705 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:58:54am

re: #704 Decatur Deb

Yup, and CO poisoning from indoor charcoal cooking.

Well, if this doesn't do them in there's always deep frying a turkey on the carport come November.:)

706 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:59:05am

Good morning, all!

Hope everyone is well.

Here is a great blog for Hurricane Season:

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

707 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:59:54am

re: #704 Decatur Deb

Yup, and CO poisoning from indoor charcoal cooking.

Somebody call Darwin. That still makes me laugh. That some people are that stupid that they'll still burn charcoal inside a residence from time to time. Or even running a kerosene heater inside a home. Another stupid thing people do is keeping LP tanks on apartment patios. Lots of strange behavior and ignorance out there.

708 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:00:50am

re: #705 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, if this doesn't do them in there's always deep frying a turkey on the carport come November.:)

Around here the volunteer fire departments avoid the middle-man, and do turkey frying in their parking lots as a fund-raiser. Kills three birds...

709 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:02:14am

re: #708 Decatur Deb

Around here the volunteer fire departments avoid the middle-man, and do turkey frying in their parking lots as a fund-raiser. Kills three birds...

I'm gonna forward that idea to our local FDs.

710 William of Orange  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:02:45am

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go again!!

Republican bigot of the week is this time:

Roberto Arango. Another anti-Gay (= Republican) Senator caught with pictures on a gay site.

From Crooks and Liars:

Puerto Rican State Senator Roberto Arango is, of course, a Republican, which means he has to be anti-gay. Arango is so anti-gay and so disgusted by the acts of gays that he has to put his photographs up on gay site for gay dudes. How Republican of him. Gawker keeps on saying he's a Puerto Rican Anthony Weiner. No. Weiner is a Democrat - meaning he was sending his pics to adult females.

And...

Here's the kicker: if these pictures were just of full frontal that happened to appear on a gay site - he could possibly survive politically. Sure. Documenting weight loss. It could happen. But that wasn't ALL the pictures that (ahem) ended up on the gay app. After the break, NSFW even though it's blurred.

More information here.

Call me shocked....

711 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:03:52am

Image: x999.jpg

KITTY HAWK, NC - AUGUST 27: Harvey Hill takes his dog Katie for a walk as the eye of Hurricane Irene passes over the area August 27, 2011 in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. The storm, so far, has caused little damage in the small tourist town located along the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

Woof! Nice belly button action.

712 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:05:11am

Alrighty. Out for a bit. BBL.

713 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:05:58am

re: #711 Gus 802

Image: x999.jpg

KITTY HAWK, NC - AUGUST 27: Harvey Hill takes his dog Katie for a walk as the eye of Hurricane Irene passes over the area August 27, 2011 in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. The storm, so far, has caused little damage in the small tourist town located along the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

Woof! Nice belly button action.

What's he worried about? He's got a built-in flotation device, there!

714 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:06:31am

re: #710 William of Orange

Heeere we go again!!

Republican bigot of the week is this time:

Roberto Arango. Another anti-Gay (= Republican) Senator caught with pictures on a gay site.

From Crooks and Liars:

And...

More information here.

Call me shocked...

No no no, he was mooning them...

715 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:07:25am

re: #713 austin_blue

What's he worried about? He's got a built-in flotation device, there!

Obviously everything else in his wardrobe must be ruined for him to go out in public like that.

716 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:09:14am

Pam Geller: Horror in Tripoli

A bright future awaits Libya as rebels torture their rivals to death, especially if they have an anti-Islamist record:
,,,
Other reports from Italian papers this morning of black people being rounded up and shot.

She still can't bring herself to link directly to Alex Jones but notice the top links from her google search.

717 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:10:07am

re: #716 Killgore Trout

Nice! I forgot the quote formatting and used the edit feature for the first time. Works perfect.

718 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:10:40am

Republican front runners as imagined by The Simpsons!

Image: simpsons_GOP.jpg

720 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:14:07am

re: #719 JasonA

Shocking Steve Jobs Illness Pics Might Be Fake

maybe his cancer is fake too

721 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:15:01am

re: #719 JasonA

re: #720 albusteve

To what end?

722 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:16:51am

re: #721 PhillyPretzel

re: #720 albusteve

To what end?

Well, the pic could have been faked to get more hits for TMZ, simply enough.

As for Steve's insightful speculation, well he's on his own there.

723 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:17:16am

re: #721 PhillyPretzel

re: #720 albusteve

To what end?

snark...he's dying of pancreatic cancer...the pics are irrelevant

724 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:17:31am

re: #716 Killgore Trout

And here's the reality:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Rights groups say African migrant workers and black Libyans face beatings and detention by rebel fighters who suspect them of being mercenaries hired by Moammar Kadafi to put down the rebellion.

Across eastern Libya, rebel fighters and their supporters are detaining, intimidating and frequently beating African immigrants and black Libyans, accusing them of fighting as mercenaries on behalf of Kadafi, witnesses and human rights workers say.

In a few instances, rebels have executed suspected mercenaries captured in battle, according to Human Rights Watch and local Libyans.

Obviously unjust? Sure. But hardly the hysterical headline of Pam's desire.

725 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:20:27am

re: #722 JasonA

re: #723 albusteve
I know it is pancreatic cancer. That is what was reported when he first made the original announcement.

726 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:21:22am

I see CNN is still pumping up the hysteria. Granted it's still a dangerous storm but only if you don't take the right precautions. However here's from the front pages of CNN dot com:

• Hurricane Irene has slammed into North Carolina and is moving north. Forecasters expect it to bring deadly storm surge, heavy rain and misery to millions.

• Hurricane experts are warning New Yorkers that millions of people could be trapped in their homes for days, without power, transportation and phones.

Meanwhile, they're reporting "light damage" in North Carolina.

727 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:22:39am

Rebels settle scores in Libyan capital

The killings were pitiless.

They had taken place at a makeshift hospital, in a tent marked clearly with the symbols of the Islamic Crescent. Some of the dead were on stretchers, attached to intravenous drips. Some were on the back of an ambulance that had been shot at. A few were on the ground, seemingly attempting to crawl to safety when the bullets came.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

728 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:22:46am

re: #726 Gus 802

That is one of the reasons why I learned to read the weather maps.

729 avanti  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:42:03am

Al Qaida's number 2 Atiyah Abd al-Rahman killed.

Terrorist.

730 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:45:49am

re: #726 Gus 802

Heh... I don't listen to the weather heads on anywhere other than Weather Channel, and read the radars/reports from the NWS/NOAA/NHC directly. Far more sober evaluations.

Right now NYC metro is getting rain - the outermost rain from Irene, but it's intermittent without any real wind.

That's going to change as the day wears on and the storm moves closer.

Storm surge is a huge concern because the storm is so big, and Masters and other meterologists are warning that the storm is punching at least one class over the Cat 1/2 it was forecast on the wave action because of the size.

The slow pace the storm is crawling up the coast means that the training effect of the rain is going to unleash significant flooding in parts, and that rain, combined with the wind may take down lots of trees and result in power outages that may take several days to clear.

731 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:49:59am

re: #730 lawhawk

Heh... I don't listen to the weather heads on anywhere other than Weather Channel, and read the radars/reports from the NWS/NOAA/NHC directly. Far more sober evaluations.

Right now NYC metro is getting rain - the outermost rain from Irene, but it's intermittent without any real wind.

That's going to change as the day wears on and the storm moves closer.

Storm surge is a huge concern because the storm is so big, and Masters and other meterologists are warning that the storm is punching at least one class over the Cat 1/2 it was forecast on the wave action because of the size.

The slow pace the storm is crawling up the coast means that the training effect of the rain is going to unleash significant flooding in parts, and that rain, combined with the wind may take down lots of trees and result in power outages that may take several days to clear.

Live video from Kill Devil Hills, NC.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Nothing unusual to see so far.

732 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:51:07am

re: #711 Gus 802

Image: x999.jpg

KITTY HAWK, NC - AUGUST 27: Harvey Hill takes his dog Katie for a walk as the eye of Hurricane Irene passes over the area August 27, 2011 in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. The storm, so far, has caused little damage in the small tourist town located along the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

Woof! Nice belly button action.

The man's a monument to Budweiser.

733 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:51:34am

re: #729 avanti

Al Qaida's number 2 Atiyah Abd al-Rahman killed.

Terrorist.

Aw, shit...are we back to killing #2s again?

734 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:51:47am

re: #731 Gus 802

Live video from Kill Devil Hills, NC.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Nothing unusual to see so far.

Kill Devil Hills NC

Humidity: 89 %
Wind Speed: SE 31 G 46 MPH
Barometer: 28.71"
Dewpoint: 73 °F (23 °C)
Heat Index: 78 °F (26 °C)
Visibility: 1.75 mi.

735 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:52:34am

re: #733 darthstar

But hopefully not before asking... who Number 2 works for... or with /

736 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:53:36am

Best way to spend a hurricane: dry inside, with a warm cat by your side.

737 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:53:41am

re: #735 lawhawk

But hopefully not before asking... who Number 2 works for... or with /

Being Al Qaeda's #2 is the most dangerous job on the planet...you can't even get health insurance.

738 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:54:25am

re: #736 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Best way to spend a hurricane: dry inside, with a warm cat by your side.

I went to the beach to watch the hurricane with the dogs...didn't see a damn thing. Then again, I'm on the Pacific side of the country.

739 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:55:52am

re: #734 Gus 802

Teterboro Airport
Lat: 40.86 Lon: -74.05 Elev: 10
Last Update on Aug 27, 12:51 pm EDT

Fog/Mist

78 °F
(26 °C)
Humidity: 82 %
Wind Speed: NE 5 MPH
Barometer: 29.84" (1010.3 mb)
Dewpoint: 72 °F (22 °C)
Heat Index: 80 °F (27 °C)
Visibility: 4.00 mi.

The calm before the storm... and the pressure is beginning to drop off here.

Irene stats from last forecast:
HURRICANE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 35.2N 76.4W AT 27/1500Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 15 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST OR 15 DEGREES AT 13 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 952 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 75 KT WITH GUSTS TO 90 KT.
64 KT....... 80NE 80SE 40SW 35NW.
50 KT.......125NE 125SE 90SW 60NW.
34 KT.......225NE 225SE 150SW 125NW.
12 FT SEAS..360NE 420SE 300SW 0NW.

740 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:56:41am

re: #738 darthstar

I went to the beach to watch the hurricane with the dogs...didn't see a damn thing. Then again, I'm on the Pacific side of the country.

It's not too late to trade places!

//

741 avanti  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:56:47am

re: #733 darthstar

Aw, shit...are we back to killing #2s again?

Not the best job to accept if you want to stay vertical. I picture the terrorists asking for a show of hands for his replacement and asking "Anyone want to be vaporized for Allah ?"

742 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:57:52am

re: #739 lawhawk

Teterboro Airport
Lat: 40.86 Lon: -74.05 Elev: 10
Last Update on Aug 27, 12:51 pm EDT

Fog/Mist

78 °F
(26 °C)
Humidity: 82 %
Wind Speed: NE 5 MPH
Barometer: 29.84" (1010.3 mb)
Dewpoint: 72 °F (22 °C)
Heat Index: 80 °F (27 °C)
Visibility: 4.00 mi.

The calm before the storm... and the pressure is beginning to drop off here.

Irene stats from last forecast:
HURRICANE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 35.2N 76.4W AT 27/1500Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 15 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST OR 15 DEGREES AT 13 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 952 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 75 KT WITH GUSTS TO 90 KT.
64 KT... 80NE 80SE 40SW 35NW.
50 KT...125NE 125SE 90SW 60NW.
34 KT...225NE 225SE 150SW 125NW.
12 FT SEAS..360NE 420SE 300SW 0NW.

Hurricane Irene Virginia Beach Webcam

743 McSpiff  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:58:22am

Just got to watch a pride parade go by. Living downtown is neat. Hope everyone is staying safe

744 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:58:36am

Irene, Irene
I can't quit you baby

745 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:00:45am

OK. Latest advisory from NOAA.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

Irene is no longer a Cat I.

IRENE IS A LARGE TROPICAL CYCLONE. HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 90 MILES...150 KM...FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 260 MILES...415 KM. A WIND GUST TO 78 MPH WAS RECENTLY MEASURED AT CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA. A WIND GUST TO 67 MPH WAS RECENTLY REPORTED AT LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE IN SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA.

746 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:01:52am

re: #729 avanti

Al Qaida's number 2 Atiyah Abd al-Rahman killed.

Terrorist.

Good. Hope he likes raisins.

747 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:02:59am

re: #745 Gus 802
That is good news. I was on the phone with my Dad and told him as it was posted. It is a borderline hurricane.

748 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:04:50am

re: #744 albusteve

Irene, Irene
I can't quit you baby

Hey Steve-O
Till the last 2 minutes the Colts almost beat the World Champions..
I hate to make excuses but the player Vaughn made 3 bone headed plays in a row.. Classic meltdown...But our young guys look really good..We added some Vet's.. Don't count out the Colts.. Peyton will be back

749 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:05:45am

re: #743 McSpiff

Just got to watch a pride parade go by. Living downtown is neat. Hope everyone is staying safe

It was a surge of Irenes!

750 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:05:55am

Times Square Webcam:
[Link: www.earthcam.com...]

NYC MTA Bridges:
[Link: webcam.mta.info...]

DC Webcam (Capitol in distance):
[Link: weather.weatherbug.com...]

751 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:06:27am

Gov. Christie on TV now telling people to "Get the fuck out of town."

752 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:07:33am

re: #748 HoosierHoops

Hey Steve-O
Till the last 2 minutes the Colts almost beat the World Champions..
I hate to make excuses but the player Vaughn mad 3 bone headed plays in a row.. Classic meltdown...But our young guys look really good..We added some Vet's.. Don't count out the Colts.. Peyton will be back

I love watching the younger guy and scrubs play, preseason is cool

753 avanti  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:08:32am

re: #751 darthstar

I like a lot about Christie, wish he'd move over to the dark side.

754 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:10:24am

re: #751 darthstar

He's nothing if not quotable. And his presser from yesterday is classic.

To paraphrase:
It's now 4:30pm. Your tanning time is up. Get off the beach and get away from the coast.

The subtext - get the frak off the beach.

755 Winny Spencer  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:10:48am

re: #751 darthstar

Gov. Christie on TV now telling people to "Get the fuck out of town."

God, I hate that guy.

756 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:11:00am

re: #751 darthstar

Gov. Christie on TV now telling people to "Get the fuck out of town."

Knowing him that could be an exact quote.

758 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:15:16am

re: #753 avanti

I like a lot about Christie, wish he'd move over to the dark side.

My wife just said, "Aw, Christie...I love you. Get the hell off the beach!" She agrees, if his positions were better, he'd be an even better politician.

759 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:15:33am

So far three deaths in North Carolina. One from a falling tree limb. Another from a heart attack while putting up plywood and the other from driving through a flooded street and hitting a tree. From that I'm looking at one person who probably had either heart disease or a poor diet leading to a heart attack which probably would have occurred at a future date. The driver was probably speeding and hydroplaned into the tree -- i.e. driver error. The tree limb probably comes the closest to a natural disaster death.

760 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:19:48am

re: #745 Gus 802

OK. Latest advisory from NOAA.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

Irene is no longer a Cat I.

LIES.
STORM OF THE UNIVERSE!

761 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:21:54am
762 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:25:16am

What are New Yorkers eating while Hurricane Irene passes over?

...if there’s one thing New Yorkers love during Category 2 hurricanes, it’s bread. Literally, every single bag of bread, from white to wheat to 7-grain to raisin cinnamon swirl, had vanished, with nary a hot dog bun to be found. A lone can of Pringles listed by like a tumbleweed in the wind.
...
The second most depleted item was chips and dip. Nothing beats watching CNN’s Roland Emmerich-approved 3D depictions of water converging on the city while munching on Tostitos Lime-Flavored Scoops.
...
However, even in emergencies, New Yorkers will avoid Chester’s Butter-Flavored Puffcorn, even at the reasonable price of $2 a bag.

[Link: www.scoutingny.com...]

763 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:27:32am

re: #762 jaunte

My wife was commenting about this. Why bread? I don't get it.

We've got some nice egg salad, some chicken, some salads. Not really expecting a power outage, but have enough ice/dry ice to make that relatively trivial.

And we've got stuff we could eat purely cold that doesn't require refrigeration, but that's boring.

764 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:27:59am

Still, one hell of a rain maker:

[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

Storms like this, water is always the killer, either surge or flash floods.

765 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:28:02am

Meh.
[Link: www.weather.com...]

766 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:29:03am

re: #762 jaunte
Amateurs. You go to your favorite gourmet food store and stock up. DiBruno's was practically cleaned out by the time I got there yesterday.

767 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:30:11am

re: #763 Obdicut

This entry was the real mystery:

Finally, there seems to have been a bizarre run on soy-based ice creams (note the Haagen-Dazs by comparison). However, as much as we all love to wolf down a pint as Irene’s eye finally passes over, the Coconut Bliss Gluten-Free option was flat out rejected by New York.

Pre-power failure comfort food?

768 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:33:09am

re: #767 jaunte

I think it's the madness of crowds. People see that some items are gone, and so they buy those because they might run out-- without even asking themselves "But is that what I want?"

769 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:37:57am

re: #730 lawhawk

Heh... I don't listen to the weather heads on anywhere other than Weather Channel, and read the radars/reports from the NWS/NOAA/NHC directly. Far more sober evaluations.

Government dependent!!!!

770 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:43:54am

re: #762 jaunte

This can be confirmed in Paramus NJ as well.

771 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:47:23am

re: #766 PhillyPretzel

Amateurs. You go to your favorite gourmet food store and stock up. DiBruno's was practically cleaned out by the time I got there yesterday.

I am using the time today to do some cooking of stuff that can be served/eaten cold if there is a power outage. Also loading the cooler with ice as a contingency as well.

772 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:02:04pm

re: #716 Killgore Trout

Pam Geller: Horror in Tripoli

She still can't bring herself to link directly to Alex Jones but notice the top links from her google search.

So was she and those filthy conservative bigots she appeals to celebrating the roundups or not. /

773 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:37:55pm

re: #652 lostlakehiker

Do you think speeders should get tickets?

Kill traffic violators and never have traffic violations again. Right?

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