American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer Defeats Darwin in Four Easy Steps

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Bryan Fischer, spokesman for the politically active hate group American Family Association, says “defeating Darwin” is so simple even a caveman could do it.

Then Fischer demonstrates how a caveman does it.

This hilariously stupid article has so many howlers in it, it’s hard to pick out a favorite, but this one is a stand-out: the “turtle on a fence post” argument.

When you see a turtle on a fence post, what’s the one thing you know? Somebody put him there. When you see a world hanging in space, what’s the one thing you know? Someone hung it there.

As all creationists must, Fischer proceeds to misrepresent the views of paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould:

But, sadly for Darwinians, after 150 years of digging in dirt all around the world, there are still no transitional fossils at all, not one! The most famous paleontologist in the world, Harvard’s Stephen Jay Gould, said, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology.” (Note” “extreme rarity” is Harvard-speak for “nada, zilch, zippo.”)

The claim that there are “no transitional fossils” is a standard creationist lie. But no matter how many transitional forms are discovered, creationists relentlessly repeat this falsehood. (Isn’t there a Commandment about “bearing false witness?”)

Refuting a brain-dead article like this is an exercise in futility, but I’ll also point out that Fischer quotes “University of Bristol scientist Alan Linton:”

And this from University of Bristol scientist Alan Linton: “Throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another. None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been shown to evolve into another.” (Note: “none” means “none, nada, zilch, zippo.”)

Oddly enough, Fischer doesn’t mention that although Alan Linton may be a scientist, he also happens to be affiliated with the UK’s Biblical Creation Society. Just an oversight, I’m sure.

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427 comments
1 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:30:22am

That's some weapons grade stupid right there.

2 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:31:52am

Sigh.

And 50% of voters believe this crap. The continued embrace of teh stupid is just SO disappointing...

3 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:33:53am

I hope the earth doesn't spin off the fencepost. Whatever could be down there?

4 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:34:22am

Except for all the bacteria that have evolved drug resistance, of course.

How can they just ignore that bit?

5 The Mountain That Blogs  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:35:08am

re: #3 jaunte

Turtles all the way down. And obviously, someone put them there.

6 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:35:14am

If I see a turtle on a fencepost I'm going to put it back down on the ground. Does that make me god?

7 William of Orange  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:36:33am

If they hadn't have such a large following, these nutcases would be adorable like kittens. Funny but harmless. The reality is different alas.

8 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:37:11am

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

If I see a turtle on a fencepost I'm going to put it back down on the ground. Does that make me god?

Well, according to this, you'd have destroyed the world.

9 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:37:22am

I keep fighting with family members over vaccines and grand conspiracies over scientists or some "evil" entity not wanting to cure diseases like cancer because treating it is a money maker. Bringing up evolution and how things change to survive cranks up the argument to 11.

10 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:38:09am

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

If I see a turtle on a fencepost I'm going to put it back down on the ground. Does that make me god?

From the turtle's perspective most certainly yes.

11 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:38:29am

There is an easy way to solve this creationism vs. evolution debate...

Can't we all just get along?

///

12 HypnoToad  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:39:01am

Reality, and the knowledge needed to understand it well are just too complex for a lot of people to want to deal with. Comforting stories and one sentence explanations are just so much easier to deal with. Simpler to say that the eggheads have an agenda than to learn enough to accept their findings.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:39:49am

Why did God put that turtle on a fencepost to start with? Seems harsh. Did the turtle commit a sin?

14 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:41:02am

re: #11 ausador

There is an easy way to solve this creationism vs. evolution debate...

Can't we all just get along?

///


My reaction.
15 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:41:06am

So, what's the earth hanging on?

Is there a big hook going through China or something, and it's tacked into one of the crystal spheres, or what?

16 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:41:52am

re: #13 Charles

Why did God put that turtle on a fencepost to start with? Seems harsh. Did the turtle commit a sin?

He wasn't circumcised.

///

17 HypnoToad  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:42:25am

re: #15 Obdicut

Magnets, of course.

18 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:43:38am

The origins of Bryan Fischer, explained by Gary Larson:
Image: god.jpg

19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:43:52am

re: #2 austin_blue

Sigh.

And 50% of voters believe this crap. The continued embrace of teh stupid is just SO disappointing...

Dissapointing and f'ing annoying. RWNJ, ugh.

20 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:46:42am

Okay.

This piece by Fischer has convinced me. Let's teach creationism. Let's have this beautiful painting showing the creation of the world painted in every school and on every public building.

Image: Vishnu-creation.jpg

21 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:47:10am

This is sad :(

Child dies after tree falls in NN

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. (WAVY) - A child has died after a tree split in half and fell on a two-story apartment building in Newport News.

22 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:49:03am

re: #20 Obdicut

Okay.

This piece by Fischer has convinced me. Let's teach creationism. Let's have this beautiful painting showing the creation of the world painted in every school and on every public building.

Image: Vishnu-creation.jpg

Man, I am *digging* Lord Krishna's Personal Flotation Device. It's a beauty!

23 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:50:09am

re: #21 JasonA

This is sad :(

Child dies after tree falls in NN

That's sad. Nature sucks sometimes.

24 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:50:38am

re: #22 austin_blue

Krishna always looks so goddamn relaxed. It kind of annoys me.

Image: krishna_0.jpg

Smug bastard with his blue skin and ability to destroy and recreate the fencepost-turtle.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:53:26am

If God put a turtle on a fence post, wouldn't Stan come by and put said turtle on it's back when God isn't watching?

26 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:55:00am

re: #4 Obdicut

Except for all the bacteria that have evolved drug resistance, of course.

How can they just ignore that bit?

They didn't evolve.

They just found Jesus and received the inner strength to resist drugs.

27 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:56:11am

Good grief:

105 at Two O'clock.

[Link: weather.noaa.gov...]

I give up. The sun is too close to the earth.

28 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:56:26am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They didn't evolve.

They just found Jesus and received the inner strength to resist drugs.

Notice how there are absolutely no gay bacteria?

29 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:58:02am

re: #28 JasonA

Notice how there are absolutely no gay bacteria?

Microbial Salvation! Praise the Lord! Bless you Jesus!

30 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:58:03am

re: #28 JasonA

Notice how there are absolutely no gay bacteria?

So what does scripture say about asexual reproduction?

31 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:59:05am

re: #30 Idle Drifter

So what does scripture say about asexual reproduction?

It is a blasphemy unto the Lord.

32 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 11:59:49am

re: #20 Obdicut

Okay.

This piece by Fischer has convinced me. Let's teach creationism. Let's have this beautiful painting showing the creation of the world painted in every school and on every public building.

Image: Vishnu-creation.jpg

As long as we can also teach the truth that the Elder Things and Ubbo-Sathla were responsible for all life on Earth.

33 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:01:38pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They didn't evolve.

They just found Jesus and received the inner strength to resist drugs.

34 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:01:46pm

Over at Pharyngula this morning, PZ Meyers mentioned how Ann Coulter is starting a series that supposedly exposes evolution as a lie. Or something. I tried reading Ms. Coulter's breathless prose, but the stupid began singeing my corneas.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the US is ground zero for this pointless idiocy. This kind of refined dopery embarrasses me as an American. Do other nations have this kind of infestation the way we do?

Edit: exterminated incorrect question mark

35 dragonfire1981  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:02:08pm

If God supposedly created the world with the intent it be constantly changing (as you can assume it wouldn't operate as it does if He desired otherwise), why would he not design the creatures who live here to adapt and change as well?

If He is indeed all knowing, He'd have to know that was the only logical formula for the continued existence of life on Earth.

36 McSpiff  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:03:43pm

re: #34 mattand

Over at Pharyngula this morning, PZ Meyers mentioned how Ann Coulter is starting a series that supposedly exposes evolution as a lie. Or something. I tried reading Ms. Coulter's breathless prose, but the stupid began singeing my corneas.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the US is ground zero for this pointless idiocy. This kind of refined dopery embarrasses me as an American? Do other nations have this kind of infestation the way we do?

I've met a few people in Canada that don't believe in evolution. They were all doing bio degrees too. Go figure.

37 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:03:52pm

re: #34 mattand

Over at Pharyngula this morning, PZ Meyers mentioned how Ann Coulter is starting a series that supposedly exposes evolution as a lie. Or something. I tried reading Ms. Coulter's breathless prose, but the stupid began singeing my corneas.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the US is ground zero for this pointless idiocy. This kind of refined dopery embarrasses me as an American? Do other nations have this kind of infestation the way we do?

Unfortunately they do. Different beliefs, same old stupid.

38 Summer Seale  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:04:42pm

I'm sorry, Bryan: We're all apes.

You're an ape too.

In fact, you're one of the biggest fucking apes on the planet.

I hope this helps, but I'm realistic enough to know that it won't.

Because you're a massive, stupid, ooking ape who can't read a real science book.

39 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:04:45pm

Hey, Weather Channel guys, I understand that New York hasn't seen a hurricane in years, but all us down here in NC and VA are seeing it NOW!

40 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:04:54pm

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

If God put a turtle on a fence post, wouldn't Stan come by and put said turtle on it's back when God isn't watching?

Maybe God put the turtle on the fence upside down, and Stan put it right side up - allowing it to crawl off, and die. /wouldn't that bake your noodle.

41 The Mountain That Blogs  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:04:58pm

re: #28 JasonA

Well, technically there are. F+ ("male") bacteria can conjugate with each other, there are just other proteins that prevent transfer of genetic material.

Operative sentence:

"These results suggest that entry exclusion inhibits conjugation at a stage after the formation of mating aggregates."

42 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:05:13pm

re: #35 dragonfire1981

If God supposedly created the world with the intent it be constantly changing (as you can assume it wouldn't operate as it does if He desired otherwise), why would he not design the creatures who live here to adapt and change as well?

If He is indeed all knowing, He'd have to know that was the only logical formula for the continued existence of life on Earth.

As previously noted, while God has decided not to make use of evolution, he apparently has no problem with using plate tectonics and meteorology to make his will manifest.

43 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:05:22pm

re: #34 mattand

Nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Afghanistan also have a lot of creationism.

44 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:05:37pm

Completely OT, but this is one of the better mash-ups I've ever seen:

[Link: ilovemuppets.com...]

A complete and totally incongruous musical hoot.

45 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:06:21pm

I'm really hoping we find intelligent life out there - because there's a shortage down here (exhibit A: Bryan Fischer, whose religious dogma trumps logic, reason, or facts.)

46 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:08:35pm

re: #36 McSpiff

I've met a few people in Canada that don't believe in evolution. They were all doing bio degrees too. Go figure.

I've read some cases of fundies pursuing legitimate science degrees, just so they can have some sort of imagined authority to back up their horseshit.

Then there's always Michael Behe from Lehigh U. He's the soooooper genius we can thank for intelligent design.

I guess it's like Perry hating Washington so much he's running for POTUS. They must have some misguided idea they'll destroy the beast from the inside. Sad, really.

47 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:08:38pm

re: #45 lawhawk
When Irene passes I will crank up the FTL com and call Her Grace. //

48 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:09:07pm

Well, looks like the wingnuts are throwing Spencer and Geller under the bus. After the Norway Terror attack they seem eager to get rid of them as soon as possible. The "Rick Perry is a stealth Jihadist" seems to be the last straw.

49 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:09:14pm

re: #45 lawhawk

I'm really hoping we find intelligent life out there - because there's a shortage down here (exhibit A: Bryan Fischer, whose religious dogma trumps logic, reason, or facts.)

50 SpaceJesus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:09:28pm

step 1: eat paint chips for years, bash self in head with brick -- bonus if your parents are first cousins.

51 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:09:28pm

re: #30 Idle Drifter

So what does scripture say about asexual reproduction?

Mr. Liggett: Alright, Lightman. Maybe you could tell us who first suggested the idea of reproduction without sex.
David Lightman: Umm... Your wife?

52 Summer Seale  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:09:59pm

re: #44 austin_blue

Completely OT, but this is one of the better mash-ups I've ever seen:

[Link: ilovemuppets.com...]

A complete and totally incongruous musical hoot.

One of my favorite cookie monster pictures ever: =)


Cookie Monster

53 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:10:04pm

Ugh. The media is so fucking happy a kid died in Irene. They've broken out the big headlines.

Fucking vultures.

54 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:10:47pm

re: #53 Obdicut

Ugh. The media is so fucking happy a kid died in Irene. They've broken out the big headlines.

Fucking vultures.

If it bleeds, it leads.

55 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:11:20pm

re: #43 Obdicut

And all three are essentially repressive theocracies. Not exactly great company to be in.

Of course, if Perry, Bachmann, et. al., get their way...

56 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:12:04pm

re: #55 mattand

And all three are essentially repressive theocracies. Not exactly great company to be in.

Of course, if Perry, Bachmann, et. al., get their way...

"WE STAND FOR GILEAD!"

57 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:13:56pm

re: #53 Obdicut

Ugh. The media is so fucking happy a kid died in Irene. They've broken out the big headlines.

Fucking vultures.

Yeah, top of every half-hour, we get a reminder of the running body count. Meanwhile, we get to see morons tromping down at the beach, tempting God's wrath.

58 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:14:42pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Well, looks like the wingnuts are throwing Spencer and Geller under the bus. After the Norway Terror attack they seem eager to get rid of them as soon as possible. The "Rick Perry is a stealth Jihadist" seems to be the last straw.

I read something last night that made me laugh out loud - something about "Pamela Geller's usually right, but on this one..."

You know she's gone too far when even people who think she's "usually right" are starting to back away.

59 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:16:22pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"WE STAND FOR GILEAD!"

I just Googled the quote, but I have to admit I don't get the reference.

60 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:17:29pm

re: #58 Charles

Forget about a Bridge Too Far; she's starring in A Wingnut Too Far.

61 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:17:44pm

re: #58 Charles

I read something last night that made me laugh out loud - something about "Pamela Geller's usually right, but on this one..."

You know she's gone too far when even people who think she's "usually right" are starting to back away.

It's like Darth Vader saying, "You know, that Joker guy is waaaay too into murdering people."

62 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:17:47pm

re: #59 mattand

I just Googled the quote, but I have to admit I don't get the reference.

Gilead is Bob Gilead, a Circuit Court Judge here in Texas, silly.

63 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:18:11pm

re: #58 Charles

I read something last night that made me laugh out loud - something about "Pamela Geller's usually right, but on this one..."

You know she's gone too far when even people who think she's "usually right" are starting to back away.

The sad part is it took Rick Perry for that to happen.

"ALL MUSLIMS HATE AMERICA!"
"Yeah!"
"OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM!"
"We're with you!"
"MOSQUES ARE ALL AL QAEDA BASES!"
"You're right!"
"RICK PERRY IS A JIHADIST!"
"Wait...What?"

64 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:18:50pm

re: #58 Charles

I read something last night that made me laugh out loud - something about "Pamela Geller's usually right, but on this one..."

You know she's gone too far when even people who think she's "usually right" are starting to back away.

Ace, Redstate, PJM and a bunch of others are pretty fed up with her accusations against Perry and Grover Norquist. I suspect her and Spencer will be persona non grata shortly.

65 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:18:53pm

Before we even start, we ought to notice that, if evolution is true, there would be no way to know it. Because evolution teaches that everything that exists is the product of the random collision of atoms, this logically includes the thoughts I am thinking about evolution. But if my thoughts are the product of the random collision of atoms, there is no reason to think that any of them are true — they just are.

Lul, whut?

66 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:19:02pm

re: #62 austin_blue

Gilead is Bob Gilead, a Circuit Court Judge here in Texas, silly.

LOL! I was getting returns on Gilead Sher, an Israeli politician! Off to the Googleplex...

67 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:19:47pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, the most disappointed people if the storm peters out are the meteorologists who predicted a stronger storm, followed by the media who wont get the imagery they want. Scientists and politicians may also find that they'll get grief from people claiming that they overreacted and that means they might be slow to react for the next time.

For the rest of us, we'll breath a sigh of relief it wasn't as bad - which is still plenty bad enough.

68 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:20:04pm

re: #59 mattand

I just Googled the quote, but I have to admit I don't get the reference.

Republic of Gilead

The country exists within the borders of what was originally the United States of America. However, after an unspecified catastrophe (possibly a nuclear or biological war or extreme environmental pollution), a meticulously planned terrorist attack was staged against the President and the Congress, which was afterwards referred to as "the President's Day massacre." Immediately after this, a revolution occurred which deposed the United States government and abolished the United States Constitution, and a new theocratic government was formed under the rule of a military dictatorship.

69 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:20:56pm

Pam timed her event is Israel to coincide with Beck's rally but I think Beck didn't want anything to do with her.

70 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:21:00pm

re: #13 Charles

Why did God put that turtle on a fencepost to start with? Seems harsh. Did the turtle commit a sin?


I ABUSED THE PENCIL!

71 terraincognita  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:21:42pm

I cannot stop thinking that Bryan Fischer would conclude one of his columns thinking, "Now, no one will ever believe this one!" Yet, every time they actually do...

By the way Charles, Harpy is sending you her regards again on Atlas Shrugs, 'Perry Mafia Punked, "Beclowned" Indeed'

72 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:22:50pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Ace, Redstate, PJM and a bunch of others are pretty fed up with her accusations against Perry and Grover Norquist. I suspect her and Spencer will be persona non grata shortly.

And yet, they will continue to use arguments that are pretty much indistinguishable from hers.

73 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:22:51pm

He's a caveman alright.

74 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:23:08pm

As an MD at a 7th day adventist hospital I was stunned to discover fellow MDs who despite having studied embriology (how I'm not sure since that required looking at dead fetuses under the microscope) don't "believe" in evolution. All it takes for me to prove it is seeing gills devepop then they develope into specific parts of the neck, face and larynx.
The phrase ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny although much less precise than scientists had hoped still applies obviously as an embryo starts flat, rolls into a tube, develops limbs which change shape etc. etc. etc.

75 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:23:23pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Ace, Redstate, PJM and a bunch of others are pretty fed up with her accusations against Perry and Grover Norquist. I suspect her and Spencer will be persona non grata shortly.

Got any good links so I don't have to risk exposing myself to any more of that effluent than I have to?

76 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:24:04pm

re: #65 BigPapa

Before we even start, we ought to notice that, if evolution is true, there would be no way to know it. Because evolution teaches that everything that exists is the product of the random collision of atoms, this logically includes the thoughts I am thinking about evolution. But if my thoughts are the product of the random collision of atoms, there is no reason to think that any of them are true — they just are.

Lul, whut?

It's the fallacy that evolution is necessarily deterministic, something that Dawkins and Dennett have both disproved.

77 Mattand  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:24:26pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Republic of Gilead

NOW I get it!

It's been years since I've seen the movie version. Sounds like something most of the current GOP candidates would have a wet dream over.

78 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:24:33pm

Its frightening to consider that half the population has below average inteligence

79 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:24:35pm

re: #75 Conservative Moonbat

Here's one from Commentary that gives a synopsis....

Perry’s “Pro-Sharia” Curriculum Debunked

80 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:24:44pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Ace, Redstate, PJM and a bunch of others are pretty fed up with her accusations against Perry and Grover Norquist. I suspect her and Spencer will be persona non grata shortly.

A classic moment in Geller history.

81 calochortus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:24:51pm
When you see a world deity hanging in space, what’s the one thing you know? Someone hung it there.

Fixed.

82 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:26:03pm

re: #80 Gus 802

A classic moment in Geller history.

I love the Pam-Siren gif!

83 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:26:20pm

T-shirt idea for folks on the East Coast:

"I survived an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week!"

84 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:26:30pm

re: #81 calochortus

Unfortunately the world isn't hanging, it is in orbit

85 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:27:12pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

T-shirt idea for folks on the East Coast:

"I survived an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week!"

And the world didn't end!

86 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:28:07pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Doesn't cafe press handle stuff like that? If it is the first I want a split of the profits.

87 McSpiff  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:28:08pm

re: #46 mattand

I've read some cases of fundies pursuing legitimate science degrees, just so they can have some sort of imagined authority to back up their horseshit.

Then there's always Michael Behe from Lehigh U. He's the soooper genius we can thank for intelligent design.

I guess it's like Perry hating Washington so much he's running for POTUS. They must have some misguided idea they'll destroy the beast from the inside. Sad, really.

The ones I've run into all wanted to be doctors

88 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:28:15pm

Fischer doesn't believe this himself. That much is obvious. You don't fabricate strawmen, take quotes out of context, or invent facts without realizing what you are doing.
What I have to wonder is how many of the rank and file creationists actually believe it? Is it a "naked emperor theory," that everyone goes along with on the false assumption that most of the others are sincere and profit can be had from the association?
Some are sincere, if disgustingly stupid, but I think most of them are arrogant contrarians looking to stick a finger in the collective eye of people they resent and envy, that is, the smart people.

89 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:28:39pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

T-shirt idea for folks on the East Coast:

"I survived an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week!"

there is no hurricane

90 Hal_10000  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:28:51pm

Jesus, such nuclear stupidity. My favorite part is where he talks about the laws of thermodynamics and clarifies that these are "laws, not theories" which reflects a common creationist misunderstanding of science. A law is not a theory that has been promoted. This isn't an ABC after school special. A law is a straight-forward mathematical relationship that is demonstrated and can be absent of any underlying explanation. Hubble's Law, Kepler's Law, Newton's Law -- all are mathematical. A theory tries to explain what is observed.

91 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:28:58pm

re: #51 rwdflynavy

Mr. Liggett: Alright, Lightman. Maybe you could tell us who first suggested the idea of reproduction without sex.
David Lightman: Umm... Your wife?

WarGames: One of the best movies ever.

92 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:29:09pm

Odd how earthquakes and hurricanes are due to sin but AGW.... nothin. Does not exist.

I expect as the mountain of evidence turns into a Sierra Madre of undeniable fact, many fundamentalists will flip and see AGW as a sign of the coming Rapture and do nothing, nigh, even encourage it as it is destiny.

93 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:29:11pm

This is hilarious!

When you see a turtle on a fence post, what’s the one thing you know? Somebody put him there. When you see a world hanging in space, what’s the one thing you know? Someone hung it there.

94 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:30:11pm

re: #89 albusteve

there is no hurricane

I know, millions of East Coasters quit being Slightly Gay and it reduced in fury.

95 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31:11pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Found it. $24 [Link: shop.cafepress.com...]

96 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31:19pm

re: #89 albusteve

there is no hurricane

Shhh, don't tell the Weather Channel, you'll break their hearts!

//

97 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31:19pm

re: #91 talon_262

WarGames: One of the best movies ever.

Sorry Talon, I'll let you finish, but The Thing was one of the best movies of all time.

OF ALL TIME!

98 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31:55pm

re: #93 Gus 802

This is hilarious!

When I see a gay couple, what's the one thing you know? Someone put them there.

99 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:32:42pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

T-shirt idea for folks on the East Coast:

"I survived an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week!"

We gotta survive it first... did you do okay? I'm assuming so since you're here, and I sincerely hope so.

This morning, we tied down or moved everything in our yard that could be blown around and I moved half of my guitars of of the basement (the other half are on shelves about 3 feet of the floor, so that should be sufficient to prevent damage (I hope).

We're not in a flood zone, but that's not stopping me from being nervous as a cat. TBH, my cats are taking this much better than I am at the moment.

100 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:32:47pm

A lot of creationists, in my experience, are "hustlers," small business and marketing types, who have suddenly found that greed, aggression, and salesmanship do not in fact guarantee success. At least they don't outside the world of fundamentalist showmanship.

101 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:32:57pm

re: #96 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good they need to be cut off at the kneecaps. /

102 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:33:10pm

re: #94 BigPapa

I know, millions of East Coasters quit being Slightly Gay and it reduced in fury.

Actually. God will take it back up to a Cat. III or more once it reaches secular and homosexual NYC!

//

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:33:29pm

Re: Transitional Fossils, I recall reading comments at Hot Air when the last big Ardipithecus find was being presented in the media. One commenter, very cute and pleased with herself, trotted out the, 'well, when they can show me something that's HALFWAY between an ape and a human, maybe I'll believe it."

Another commenter commented: "Actually, Ardi looks about halfway between and ape and a human to me."

He was roundly ignored.

104 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:34:03pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The sad part is it took Rick Perry for that to happen.

"ALL MUSLIMS HATE AMERICA!"
"Yeah!"
"OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM!"
"We're with you!"
"MOSQUES ARE ALL AL QAEDA BASES!"
"You're right!"
"RICK PERRY IS A JIHADIST!"
"Wait...What?"

"The sheriff is a ni(bell rings)!"

/genuine wingnut frontier gibberish

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:34:08pm

re: #3 jaunte

I hope the earth doesn't spin off the fencepost. Whatever could be down there?

Turtles, obviously. All the way down.

106 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:34:16pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

When I see a gay couple, what's the one thing you know? Someone put them there.

Now wait a minute! That's different! God put homosexuals on Earth to test us! Just like fossils.

Teach the controversy!

//

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:34:56pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Well, according to this, you'd have destroyed the world.

Maybe the world wants to be on the ground. The turtle probably does. Did you consider this?

108 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:37:08pm

There's a condom in my turtle soup. You can't explain that.

/

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:37:33pm

re: #15 Obdicut

So, what's the earth hanging on?

Is there a big hook going through China or something, and it's tacked into one of the crystal spheres, or what?

I'm envisioning a loop of fishing line going through an eyebolt in the polar cap.

110 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:37:41pm

re: #108 eclectic infidel

There's a condom in my turtle soup. You can't explain that.

/

The kitchen staff can.

111 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:38:38pm

I think the obvious question for Fischer then would be "who or what put God there"?

112 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:38:54pm

re: #108 eclectic infidel

There's a condom in my turtle soup. You can't explain that.

/

Here's a Blackberry, iPad, and $100. Now run along.

113 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:39:37pm

re: #99 makeitstop

We gotta survive it first... did you do okay? I'm assuming so since you're here, and I sincerely hope so.

This morning, we tied down or moved everything in our yard that could be blown around and I moved half of my guitars of of the basement (the other half are on shelves about 3 feet of the floor, so that should be sufficient to prevent damage (I hope).

We're not in a flood zone, but that's not stopping me from being nervous as a cat. TBH, my cats are taking this much better than I am at the moment.

We're still not out of the woods. Winds are supposed to pick back up shortly, so it's going to be a LONG night.

114 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:39:43pm

re: #111 Gus 802

I think the obvious question for Fischer then would be "who or what put God there"?

Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:40:09pm

re: #28 JasonA

Notice how there are absolutely no gay bacteria?

This reminds me of the time when one of my seventh-graders asked if SpongeBob was really gay. Another kid pointed out that sponges are asexual reproducers.

116 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:40:23pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh

Halle Berry.

117 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:40:23pm

Now wait a minute right there. Let's not go complicating things!

//

118 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:40:39pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm envisioning a loop of fishing line going through an eyebolt in the polar cap.

Ah, and the tides are the world swinging from side to side with god's stride.

119 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:41:05pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The kitchen staff can.

And I'd need a healthy dose of Jack Daniels before reading that explanation.

120 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:41:12pm

Point is that Darwin is not at all compatible with a literalist readingof the Bible, and that is what these folks are pushing.
There are plenty of Christians (including the Pope) who see no comflict between creation and evolution: one is about why we are here, the other is just about how we came to be the way we are.
But there are unfortunately enough people who cannot tell the difference between a religious testament, a sicence book and/or a history book.
And have no idea of how science works, how a hypothesis becomes a theory or how objective, verifiable facts are documented and built upon.

121 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:41:26pm

re: #113 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

We're still not out of the woods. Winds are supposed to pick back up shortly, so it's going to be a LONG night.

Well, good luck. We won't see the brunt until tomorrow, which leaves me plenty of time to hang out and worry. I hate this.

122 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:41:33pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

Halle Berry.

Obviously a Herald of Slaanesh.

123 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:41:51pm
124 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:42:01pm

and when you imagine you see a magical being creating matter out of nothing, it never occurs to you to ask how he/she got there

they find the scientific explanation difficult to believe, so they replace it with something even more difficult to believe!

125 calochortus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:42:32pm

re: #84 proto87

Unfortunately the world isn't hanging, it is in orbit

No, the world isn't just hanging-I'm just taking issue with the concept that "if I don't understand something, that proves God exists."

126 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:42:44pm

re: #121 makeitstop

Well, good luck. We won't see the brunt until tomorrow, which leaves me plenty of time to hang out and worry. I hate this.

Thats why I prefer living in quake country. BAM, its done. None of this waiting around shit.

127 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:43:02pm

re: #121 makeitstop

Well, good luck. We won't see the brunt until tomorrow, which leaves me plenty of time to hang out and worry. I hate this.

Trust me, what you're going to see will be mild compared to us. But, all the same, be safe.

128 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:44:16pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Don't forget the aftershocks. That can happen for several days.

129 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:44:16pm

re: #123 jaunte

Santorum: GOP not 'anti-science'

"IS NOT!"

And I'm a Jedi Goody Two Shoes.

130 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:45:06pm

I love that the worst insult "Ace" and Pamela Geller are throwing at each other is that they're just like me! Little old harmless, insignificant me.

Booga booga!

131 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:45:12pm

re: #123 jaunte

Santorum: GOP not 'anti-science'
"IS NOT!"


We believe in God, and God is science. Science is God. Therefore, we believe in science. Especially geology and oil exploration sciences, but not fossils.

132 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:45:13pm

re: #120 ralphieboy

Point is that Darwin is not at all compatible with a literalist readingof the Bible, and that is what these folks are pushing.
There are plenty of Christians (including the Pope) who see no comflict between creation and evolution: one is about why we are here, the other is just about how we came to be the way we are.
But there are unfortunately enough people who cannot tell the difference between a religious testament, a sicence book and/or a history book.
And have no idea of how science works, how a hypothesis becomes a theory or how objective, verifiable facts are documented and built upon.

Well, well, well, look at the big brain on Ralphieboy!

///

133 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:45:37pm

re: #129 Varek Raith
::: schlepping out a Manticorian Plasma rifle ::::

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:46:06pm

re: #58 Charles

I read something last night that made me laugh out loud - something about "Pamela Geller's usually right, but on this one..."

You know she's gone too far when even people who think she's "usually right" are starting to back away.

She's breaking a rule. Her followers want to be terrified, but not too terrified. In other words, Obama is a seekrit jihadist, but we will be safe if we elect someone Republican, boneheaded, and aggressive, like Rick Perry to save us all. It's a world just dangerous enough to make you feel heroic, but all the basic tenets of reality are still in place.

Pam suggests that Rick Perry is also a seekrit jihadist. Now we are in an out-of-control universe in which evil may already have won, and none of the normal things we do to empower good may work any more.

It's the difference between Klingons on the starboard bow, and being trapped in the Evil Enterprise universe forever, wearing a burka.

135 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:46:06pm

re: #123 jaunte

Santorum: GOP not 'anti-science'

"IS NOT!"

Deeds, not just words, betray your and fellow travelers' intent, Mr. Santorum...

136 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:46:15pm

re: #130 Charles

I love that the worst insult "Ace" and Pamela Geller are throwing at each other is that they're just like me! Little old harmless, insignificant me.

Booga booga!

They aren't happy with each other?
What have I missed?

137 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:46:24pm

re: #127 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Trust me, what you're going to see will be mild compared to us. But, all the same, be safe.

Thanks. You too.

138 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:46:30pm

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

Don't forget the aftershocks. That can happen for several days.

True, but they're the same deal as a quake, no telling when they can hit.

139 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:46:33pm

Life on Earth is just the result of an advanced science experiment which was carried out 6000 years ago by an advanced intergalactic alien species.

//

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:47:20pm

re: #65 BigPapa

Before we even start, we ought to notice that, if evolution is true, there would be no way to know it. Because evolution teaches that everything that exists is the product of the random collision of atoms, this logically includes the thoughts I am thinking about evolution. But if my thoughts are the product of the random collision of atoms, there is no reason to think that any of them are true — they just are.

Lul, whut?

Don't try to understand it. It will just hurt.

141 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:47:45pm

re: #133 PhillyPretzel

::: setting up bipod :::

142 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:48:16pm

re: #141 PhillyPretzel

::: setting up bipod :::

Yawn.
Image: PlanetaryBombardment-SWGTCG.jpg

143 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:48:33pm

re: #130 Charles

I love that the worst insult "Ace" and Pamela Geller are throwing at each other is that they're just like me! Little old harmless, insignificant me.

Booga booga!

Yes, and your insignificant blog that has long been declining, now down to only 44k page hits a day and 9.2m comments, a meager 2k people online at one time.

Indeed.

144 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:48:55pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

And I'm a Jedi Goody Two Shoes.

**a Culexus steps out of the shadows**

145 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:49:27pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

What I have to wonder is how many of the rank and file creationists actually believe it?


The saddest thing is that these kids are naturally skeptics. They're presented with a completely ridiculous representation of evolution, and the ones depicted react with a version of "well that sounds like bullshit to me", and they're right. But they're not going to be presented with the actual facts, because facts are apparently not on the menu.
146 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:50:47pm

re: #142 Varek Raith
::: on FTL comm to the Eighth Fleet and the Capital fleet of the Republic of Haven and the Imperial Andermani Fleet :::

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:50:53pm

re: #111 Gus 802

I think the obvious question for Fischer then would be "who or what put God there"?

Well, you see, that was one time when someone really did die and make him God.

148 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:51:30pm

re: #132 austin_blue

Yes, I am an elitist...with an evolved brain.

149 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:52:25pm

re: #123 jaunte

Santorum: GOP not 'anti-science'

"IS NOT!"

but remember - I get to decide what god thinks!

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:52:27pm

re: #125 calochortus

No, the world isn't just hanging-I'm just taking issue with the concept that "if I don't understand something, that proves God exists."

I think the actual message is "God exists, therefore it doesn't much matter if I don't understand something, I still win!! WINNING!!!"

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:52:31pm

re: #130 Charles

Booga booga!

Don't do that!

(Thanks for the little pencil)

152 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:52:36pm

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

::: on FTL comm to the Eighth Fleet and the Capital fleet of the Republic of Haven and the Imperial Andermani Fleet :::

*Opens Thirdspace gate*
Yeah, I'm a cheater.
:P

153 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:53:16pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh

As cited by Oolon Colluphid? Or am I wrong?

154 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:53:39pm

re: #152 Varek Raith
Nimitz contact those Mesans. I know how to cheat too.

155 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:55:14pm

re: #153 negativ

As cited by Oolon Colluphid? Or am I wrong?

You're wrong

156 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:56:32pm

re: #154 PhillyPretzel

Nimitz contact those Mesans. I know how to cheat too.

Well, poo.
I hate stalemates.

157 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:56:36pm

While we're on the topic of living things. 6 wild turkeys just passed by the house about one hour ago. Here's a couple of photos I took.

Image: wild-turkey-001.jpg
Image: wild-turkey-002.jpg

One the last one the other 2 are off to the left.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:58:14pm

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman

160 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:58:48pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're wrong

Impossible.

YOU HAVE SEEN YOUR LAST SUNRISE.

maybe

161 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:58:50pm

re: #157 Gus 802

You're getting better and better at the photography.

162 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:00:13pm

re: #161 Obdicut

You're getting better and better at the photography.

Thanks. I've been borrowing a camera for the last few. Much nicer than my little old cheapo Canon A40. ;)

163 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:01:23pm

re: #157 Gus 802

While we're on the topic of living things. 6 wild turkeys just passed by the house about one hour ago. Here's a couple of photos I took.

Image: wild-turkey-001.jpg
Image: wild-turkey-002.jpg

One the last one the other 2 are off to the left.

Neat.
Dinner!
:)

164 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:01:46pm

re: #160 negativ
Close. "Ivan Did you see the sunrise?" From Magnum, PI

165 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:05:06pm

re: #164 PhillyPretzel

Close. "Ivan Did you see the sunrise?" From Magnum, PI

166 Mickey Blumental  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:06:26pm

When you see a world hanging in space you know someone put it there.

So basically God created the world, because they world had to be created.

Who created God, because he also had to be created? Er, I DON'T KNOW DERP!

167 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:06:50pm

re: #157 Gus 802

While we're on the topic of living things. 6 wild turkeys just passed by the house about one hour ago. Here's a couple of photos I took.

Image: wild-turkey-001.jpg
Image: wild-turkey-002.jpg

One the last one the other 2 are off to the left.

Hens. Nice pics, BTW. What kind of camera?

168 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:07:18pm

re: #166 Udon

When you see a world hanging in space you know someone put it there.

So basically God created the world, because they world had to be created.

Who created God, because he also had to be created? Er, I DON'T KNOW DERP!

God created the universe out of nothing, but he still needed a rib from Adam to make Eve. Whats up with that shit?

169 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:07:32pm

re: #166 Udon

When you see a world hanging in space you know someone put it there.

So basically God created the world, because they world had to be created.

Who created God, because he also had to be created? Er, I DON'T KNOW DERP!

Way to use your noodle!

170 calochortus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:08:07pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God created the universe out of nothing, but he still needed a rib from Adam to make Eve. Whats up with that shit?

Women are beyond special!

171 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:08:10pm

re: #165 Gus 802
Thanks. It is on my favorite list. First entry too.

172 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:08:52pm

re: #167 austin_blue

Hens. Nice pics, BTW. What kind of camera?

An older Olympus E-300 Evolt.

173 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:12:47pm

re: #171 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. It is on my favorite list. First entry too.

Lance White rules! ;)

174 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:12:58pm

re: #157 Gus 802

While we're on the topic of living things. 6 wild turkeys just passed by the house about one hour ago. Here's a couple of photos I took.

Image: wild-turkey-001.jpg
Image: wild-turkey-002.jpg

One the last one the other 2 are off to the left.

Those came out really nice!

175 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:13:06pm

I need to finish a proposal and my pricing is only available on a server.. from an East Coast based company... that isn't online.

Beer Thirty!

176 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:13:47pm

re: #170 calochortus

Women are beyond special!

YOU SAID SPECIAL!

177 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:14:05pm
178 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:14:21pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Those came out really nice!

Thanks. Took a few tries. They kept moving behind weeds and grass so the camera kept focusing on that for most of the frames.

179 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:16:15pm

I mentioned this exact thing yesterday: This is why games don't interest me anymore.....
Simon Plays!: Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Part 1

15 minutes of cut scenes about a tired old hack plot, dull characters I couldn't give a shit about, completely uninteresting and humorless dialogue. After you sit through all that bullshit you end up playing 1995 Doom with fancy graphics.

180 calochortus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:16:36pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

YOU SAID SPECIAL!

I believe I'm missing a witty reference there...

181 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:17:58pm

re: #173 Gus 802
Lance White? Was that the person who was killed in that episode?

182 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:18:05pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God created the universe out of nothing, but he still needed a rib from Adam to make Eve. Whats up with that shit?

that's what happens when you create women while eating lunch at the bar-b-que

183 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:18:28pm

The was just hung in space --spinning and moving around the sun and all . .

Yeah,

meanwhile, how is spinning and moving Irene treating the Right Coast Lizards?

184 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:19:36pm

re: #183 ggt

Latest report from Weather Underground.com
[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

185 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:19:51pm

re: #181 PhillyPretzel

Lance White? Was that the person who was killed in that episode?

Nah. Lance White was the character that Tom Selleck played on Rockford Files. First time I ever saw Selleck.

Can't find a better video.

186 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:20:30pm

re: #175 BigPapa

I need to finish a proposal and my pricing is only available on a server.. from an East Coast based company... that isn't online.

Beer Thirty!

I can relate - I'm a web developer, and I called around to my clients yesterday and told them when I lose power I'll be on an unscheduled vacation until they light me up again.

Nice turkey pics, Gus! I wish I had a DSLR. My wife did get me one of these for my birthday last week. While it's still technically a point & shoot, it's a lot closer to an SLR than I've been since starting to use digital cameras. Price is pretty reasonable, too.

187 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:20:54pm
(Isn’t there a Commandment about “bearing false witness?”)

Strictly speaking, the commandment prohibits bearing false witness against your fellow man.

Lying at trial to get out of going to jail is one thing. Lying at trial to get somebody who didn't do it sent to jail is another. It is the second sort of false witnessing that is expressly forbidden.

Our friend Mr. Fisher is engaged in plain old garden variety lying. He lies about what the Second Law of thermodynamics says. What it doesn't say is that no part of a closed system can move against the entropy flow.

This, of course, is quite false, as any refrigerator conclusively demonstrates. The refrigerator achieves this by drawing on a power source external to itself. If we took into account the conversion of coal into CO2 at the generator, the overall entropy of power plant plus refrigerator would be increasing.

The sun is our generator. And Mr. Fisher knows, surely, that grass won't grow in the shade. He's just hoping his listeners forget that point.

188 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:20:55pm

re: #185 Gus 802
Ahh I remember now. One of the reasons why I watch Blue Bloods.

189 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:20:56pm

Bryan Fischer proving once again that you can't cure stupid.

190 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:23:03pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Life on Earth is just the result of an advanced science experiment which was carried out 6000 years ago by an advanced intergalactic alien species.

//

mice

and the answer is 42

191 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:23:29pm

re: #186 makeitstop

I can relate - I'm a web developer, and I called around to my clients yesterday and told them when I lose power I'll be on an unscheduled vacation until they light me up again.

Nice turkey pics, Gus! I wish I had a DSLR. My wife did get me one of these for my birthday last week. While it's still technically a point & shoot, it's a lot closer to an SLR than I've been since starting to use digital cameras. Price is pretty reasonable, too.

That has way more pixels than the E-300. Should take nice images.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:24:26pm

re: #184 PhillyPretzel

Latest report from Weather Underground.com
[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

ooooh!

193 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:24:37pm

re: #188 PhillyPretzel

Ahh I remember now. One of the reasons why I watch Blue Bloods.

Here's the episode: White on White and Nearly Perfect

I was still a teenager when it came out.

194 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:24:47pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Bryan Fischer proving once again that you can't cure stupid.

but apparently it's contagious

195 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:25:21pm

Weather Channel streaker

NSFW, kinda. Quick flash o' beans and franks. LOL>

196 calochortus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:26:29pm

Must go get something constructive done...

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:26:55pm

re: #195 BigPapa

NSFW Warning: As your sports blogosphere leader in athlete dong, we can’t not post this video. The Weather Channel is covering Hurricane Irene live which isn’t always a good idea. Some guys run by in the background in boxers or bathing suits, presumably playing football. Then one of the young men exposes himself to the millions of people watching who are waiting to find out if their homes will be destroyed. When will the suffering end? This is worse than all the times that Meteorologists unintentionally draw dongs on the teleprompter to explain the path of a storm.

do you think alcohol was involved?

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:27:20pm

re: #196 calochortus

Must go get something constructive done...

I already did that.

I took a mid-morning nap!

199 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:27:28pm

re: #191 Gus 802

That has way more pixels than the E-300. Should take nice images.

I'm still getting used to it. It's got a pretty large feature set, and it's good at correcting the mistakes I always make when taking pictures. :)

It has a couple of sequential shooting modes, with speeds up to 10 FPS. That'll come in handy when I get called to shoot musicians running around on a big stage.

200 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:27:54pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God created the universe out of nothing, but he still needed a rib from Adam to make Eve. Whats up with that shit?

You must remember the joke about how Adam felt lonely and asked God to make him a mate.

He described what he wanted: "One who is good-looking, sweet, caring, does not nag, cooks, cleans and and is always ready to put out in the sack!"

"I can make you one like that," said God, "but I will need you to give up an arm and a leg."

"Hm," asked Adam, "What would I get for a rib?"

201 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:28:43pm

I just threw an attempted shoplifter out of the store. Well, not threw, literally, I more like yelled him out. Got some attention once we were outside, because I kept yelling. Somebody suggested I call the cops on him, so I did that too.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:28:54pm

re: #195 BigPapa

If I had one of those little things, I certainly wouldn't flash it.

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:29:10pm
204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:29:46pm

re: #200 ralphieboy

You must remember the joke about how Adam felt lonely and asked God to make him a mate.

He described what he wanted: "One who is good-looking, sweet, caring, does not nag, cooks, cleans and and is always ready to put out in the sack!"

"I can make you one like that," said God, "but I will need you to give up an arm and a leg."

"Hm," asked Adam, "What would I get for a rib?"

You get what you pay for

LOL

205 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:30:14pm

re: #201 wrenchwench
Way to go. ::: thumbs up :::

206 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:30:35pm

re: #203 ggt

Al Quaeda's #2 killed in Pakistan.

Hussein nails another terrorist pelt to the wall!

Suck it, wingnuts.

207 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:32:32pm

re: #199 makeitstop

I'm still getting used to it. It's got a pretty large feature set, and it's good at correcting the mistakes I always make when taking pictures. :)

It has a couple of sequential shooting modes, with speeds up to 10 FPS. That'll come in handy when I get called to shoot musicians running around on a big stage.

Does it have a sports setting? That's always good for telephoto shots since it reduces the shaking. As always. Take a bazzilion pictures then pick the nice ones. ;)

208 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:37:05pm

Republicans aren't anti-Science, they just pro-god
Santorum: GOP not 'anti-science'

“We are going through this debate right now by somebody who’s in the Republican field talking about people who believe in certain scientific theories, whether it’s global warming or evolution. And somehow or another if you believe that we are creatures of a loving God, that that is somehow anti-science,” Santorum said. “It’s not anti-science. It’s an affirmation of what we view in the world. Which is, we see God."

209 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:37:16pm

re: #108 eclectic infidel

There's a condom in my turtle soup. You can't explain that.

/

If you practiced abstinence there wouldn't be.

210 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:39:15pm

An example of evolution in the last 75 years: The development of antibiotic resistance in bacteria

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:40:09pm

Bill of the Week: Proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas

Prayer for a Rainy Day fund
By Richard Whittaker, Fri., April 29, 2011

After Texas has lost nearly two million acres and the lives of two firefighters to wildfires this year, it would seem that Gov. Rick Perry might get proactive on the issue. Six days after increasing the number of counties classified as at-risk, Perry announced that he wanted Texans to come together and spend Easter weekend praying for rain. Sidestepping any thorny theological questions or that whole separation of church and state thing, Perry declared that "it seems right and fitting that the people of Texas should join together in prayer to humbly seek an end to this devastating drought." Sure. Why not? After all, this came in the same week that a UT/Texas Tribune poll found that 30% of all Texans believe that humans and dinosaurs walked the Earth at the same time. What makes this more galling is that both the House and Senate draft budgets propose cuts to the Texas Forest Service Volun­teer Fire Department Assistance Pro­grams, a major funding source for many of the volunteer fire departments currently fighting the wildfires. So now it seems it's easier to ask for divine intervention to make it rain than to get Perry to tap the Rainy Day Fund. To quote Daily Kos contributing Editor David Waldman, "If you're thinking of pissing on Rick Perry's leg, please do feel free to tell him it's raining."

212 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:40:44pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout


Once again, not being able to distinguish between religion (which is why we are here) and science (which is how we got here).

But the Biblical literalists must reject evolution and tons of other science becausescience does not allow for phenomena such as virgin birth, resurrection of the dead or multiplication of loaves and fishes.

213 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:41:02pm

I consider literal interpretation of any ancient text to be dangerous.
For this purpose 200 years is ancient

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:42:01pm

re: #213 proto87

I consider literal interpretation of any ancient text to be dangerous.
For this purpose 200 years is ancient

It is dangerous and stupid.

language changes, translations are faulty. . . .

215 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:43:09pm

re: #211 ggt
I have a few extra inches. Do you know where I can ship them?

216 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:44:01pm

Science without religion is lamr
Religeon without science is blind
-Albert Einstein

217 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:44:17pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Does it have a sports setting? That's always good for telephoto shots since it reduces the shaking. As always. Take a bazzilion pictures then pick the nice ones. ;)

Yes, it has a few different scene settings. I've just been snapping away at everything since I got it, learning what all of the functions do.

I always take a bazillion shots, because my crap-to-quality ratio is way higher than I'd like. :)

218 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:44:20pm

re: #213 proto87

There is a big distinction between seeing texts as things that are written by human beings in a certain historical context and seeing them as the divinely dictated and therefore unchanging Word of God.

I assume you were referring to the US Constituion, which, although it can be claimed to be divinely inspored, is the work of fallible humans and is subject to interpretation and amendment where necessary.

That cannot apply to a literal interpretation of anybody's divinely dictated Holy Scriptures.

219 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:44:57pm

re: #216 proto87

Science without religion is lamr
Religeon without science is blind
-Albert Einstein

posting without spell checking is pointless...

220 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:45:02pm

re: #212 ralphieboy

Once again, not being able to distinguish between religion (which is why we are here) and science (which is how we got here).

But the Biblical literalists must reject evolution and tons of other science becausescience does not allow for phenomena such as virgin birth, resurrection of the dead or multiplication of loaves and fishes.

It's also sort of a telling admission. They aren't really "pro-god" because they're ignoring the evidence of his handiwork. They are pro-scripture and will cling to their literalist world view regardless of the evidence.

221 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:47:03pm

re: #216 proto87

Science without religion is lamr
Religeon without science is blind
-Albert Einstein

If only I could spell:

Science without religion is lame
Religion without science is blind
-Albert Einstein

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:48:01pm

re: #215 PhillyPretzel

I have a few extra inches. Do you know where I can ship them?

Austin, TX

Governors Mansion.

223 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:48:08pm

re: #221 proto87


There's a correction icon now on the far right, it gives you a window of opportunity to fix things like that

224 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:48:08pm

re: #221 proto87
That is why Charles gave us a spell checker and a pencil. :)

225 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:48:55pm

I just use my pencil to draw moustaches on picutres of Obama...

226 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:50:28pm

re: #221 proto87

If only I could spell:

Science without religion is lame
Religion without science is blind
-Albert Einstein

but what about us lamr???

227 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:51:39pm

re: #213 proto87

I consider literal interpretation of any ancient text to be dangerous.
For this purpose 200 years is ancient

Obviously you are being too judgmental. Might I suggest trephination, followed by a course of leeches to balance your humours?

228 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:53:00pm

Now expecting 1 to 2 inches of rain tonight.
What a gyp.

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:53:19pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

It's also sort of a telling admission. They aren't really "pro-god" because they're ignoring the evidence of his handiwork. They are pro-scripture and will cling to their literalist world view regardless of the evidence.

Quite Concur.

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:53:58pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

Now expecting 1 to 2 inches of rain tonight.
What a gyp.

You need to pray and do a rain dance,

But not at the same time.

231 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:54:39pm

re: #213 proto87

I consider literal interpretation of any ancient text to be dangerous.
For this purpose 200 years is ancient

i don't even understand some of the comments in this thread

232 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:54:53pm

re: #213 proto87

I consider literal interpretation of any ancient text to be dangerous.
For this purpose 200 years is ancient

That would include the Constitution, and on that point I disagree sharply. I don't favor interpreting the Bible literally, but I do favor interpreting the Constitution literally.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:55:59pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

That would include the Constitution, and on that point I disagree sharply. I don't favor interpreting the Bible literally, but I do favor interpreting the Constitution literally.

The problem is that language changes.

We have to have scholars who can bridge the gap between what words meant when written and what they would mean today.

234 3CPO  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:57:42pm

Actually, isn't there some kind of eagle that picks up turtles and drops them from a great height in order to break the shell and get to the delicious chewy center? An eagle could have dropped that turtle and it just happened to land on a fence post...

235 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:57:53pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

It's also sort of a telling admission. They aren't really "pro-god" because they're ignoring the evidence of his handiwork. They are pro-scripture and will cling to their literalist world view regardless of the evidence.

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

That is why Charles gave us a spell checker and a pencil. :)

re: #226 engineer dog

but what about us lamr???

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:57:59pm

Wow! From the census map posted upthread.

My county (Kane, IL) is 31% Hispanic.

237 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:58:05pm

re: #233 ggt

The problem is that language changes.

We have to have scholars who can bridge the gap between what words meant when written and what they would mean today.

We have to learn to see texts as the product of people who existed in a certain cultural, historical, political and social setting. We are expected to do this with the Constitution, but literalist exegetes of the Bible (or any other holy scriptures) do not allow it.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:58:35pm

re: #234 3CPO

Actually, isn't there some kind of eagle that picks up turtles and drops them from a great height in order to break the shell and get to the delicious chewy center? An eagle could have dropped that turtle and it just happened to land on a fence post...

What does that mean for the Earth?

239 3CPO  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:00:07pm

re: #238 ggt

What does that mean for the Earth?

god is an eagle and we were meant to be eaten.

240 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:01:24pm

re: #239 3CPO

god is an eagle and we were meant to be eaten.

I always suspected we had a chewy caramel center

241 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:01:42pm

re: #233 ggt

The problem is that language changes.

We have to have scholars who can bridge the gap between what words meant when written and what they would mean today.

Sometimes that may be needed, but phrases such as "shall make no law" or "shall not be infringed" have not changed in their meaning. Very little, if any, of the Constitutions words have changed in their meaning. Some may have gained other meaning, but they have not lost their original meaning.

242 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:02:15pm

re: #239 3CPO

god is an eagle and we were meant to be eaten.

So a rain dance really wouldn't work?

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:03:37pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes that may be needed, but phrases such as "shall make no law" or "shall not be infringed" have not changed in their meaning. Very little, if any, of the Constitutions words have changed in their meaning. Some may have gained other meaning, but they have not lost their original meaning.

"Because a militia is needed" ???

Now we have a standing army.

But the 2nd Amendment is just as valid as the day it was written.

We've come to interpret the "because a militia is needed" as self-defense.

244 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:04:02pm

OT, but the only response this story needs is OH SHIT!

chrisalbon Christopher R. Albon
Woah. RT @AJELive: A ship carrying ammunition for the #Libyan rebels at Zuwara port exploded aje.me/p9O0Zg

History of these sorts of events isn't good.

245 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:04:29pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

That would include the Constitution, and on that point I disagree sharply. I don't favor interpreting the Bible literally, but I do favor interpreting the Constitution literally.

I think it runs into many of the same problems. The "Originalist" interpretations of the Constitution are often in direct contradiction to the Constitution itself. People use revisionist history to alter what the founders had in mind. Also the constitution was written in a very different time. No airplanes, computers, etc. It was an agrarian society. The founding fathers were not divine creatures with a perfect vision of all things in the future and I don't think we should consider their words as gospel truth for all of eternity.

246 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:04:37pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

That would include the Constitution, and on that point I disagree sharply. I don't favor interpreting the Bible literally, but I do favor interpreting the Constitution literally.

I'm no expert on the constitution, but interpreting anything "literally" at the expense of any thing else, like common sense even, is silly. You assume that the writers were superhuman without the possibility of making an ambiguous statement, particularly when taking into account the possibility of changed meanings hundreds of years later.

247 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:04:40pm

re: #239 3CPO

god is an eagle and we were meant to be eaten.

248 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:04:50pm

re: #236 ggt

Wow! From the census map posted upthread.

My county (Kane, IL) is 31% Hispanic.

I was looking at some counties in New Mexico. Several of them show that the Asian population went up 34% to 400%, and are still at 0% or 1% of the total. I imagine two or three moved in.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:04:53pm

Puppy is learning to open the kitchen cabinets.

Gravel, help me!

250 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:05:32pm

re: #243 ggt

"Because a militia is needed" ???

Now we have a standing army.

But the 2nd Amendment is just as valid as the day it was written.

We've come to interpret the "because a militia is needed" as self-defense.

"a well organized militia" has come to had the meaning of a "bunch of gun nuts with a basement full of assault rifles"?

251 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:05:37pm

re: #233 ggt

The problem is that language changes.

We have to have scholars who can bridge the gap between what words meant when written and what they would mean today.

from the preface to the revised standard edition:

the kind james version uses the word "let" in the sense of "hinder", "pervent" to mean "precede", "allow" in the sense of "approve", "communicate" for "share", "conversation" for "conduct", "comprehend" for "overcome", "ghost" for "spirit", "wealth" for "well-being", "allege" for "prove", "demand" for "ask", "take no thought" for "be not anxious", "purchase a good degree" for "gain a good standing", etc.

252 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:07:28pm

re: #222 ggt

Austin, TX

Governors Mansion.

Too bad Pointy Boots doesn't live there:

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

Note that article is from May, 2010. He's still there.

253 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:07:36pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I think it runs into many of the same problems. The "Originalist" interpretations of the Constitution are often in direct contradiction to the Constitution itself. People use revisionist history to alter what the founders had in mind. Also the constitution was written in a very different time. No airplanes, computers, etc. It was an agrarian society. The founding fathers were not divine creatures with a perfect vision of all things in the future and I don't think we should consider their words as gospel truth for all of eternity.

And corporations were small entities, usually created for a limited time and purpose, not international entities with more assets than the government.

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:07:38pm

re: #250 ralphieboy

"a well organized militia" has come to had the meaning of a "bunch of gun nuts with a basement full of assault rifles"?

Yeah,not quite what the framers intended, IMHO.

Yet, the right to bear arms is an individual right. Just like the rest of the amendments.

It was a different time, militias were essential. And it was necessary for self-defense.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:09:22pm

re: #203 ggt

Al Quaeda's #2 killed in Pakistan.

Weird. It's SUPPOSED to be #3.

We always get #3.

Do you suppose the curse can't tell that Bin Laden is gone?

Wait, does the continued functioning of the curse indicate that Bin Laden's NOT gone?

//

257 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:10:36pm

re: #243 ggt

"Because a militia is needed" ???

Now we have a standing army.

But the 2nd Amendment is just as valid as the day it was written.

We've come to interpret the "because a militia is needed" as self-defense.

Either the 2nd Amendment (which ultimately gives the right to bear arms to the people) means what it says or it doesn't. To say "our army fulfills this role, so the right listed herein is now unneeded" overlooks the role the amendment was intended to fulfill.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:11:37pm

re: #204 ggt

You get what you pay for

LOL

Some of the rabbinic literature postulates that Adam as originally created is a hermaphroditic being, and Eve's creation simply splits it into two separate and gendered creatures.

259 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:12:18pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

Weird. It's SUPPOSED to be #3.

We always get #3.

Do you suppose the curse can't tell that Bin Laden is gone?

Wait, does the continued functioning of the curse indicate that Bin Laden's NOT gone?

//

#1 (bin Laden) is dead, so the former #2 (al-Zawahiri) is now #1. So now the cutout position is #2 instead of #3/

260 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:12:36pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Either the 2nd Amendment (which ultimately gives the right to bear arms to the people) means what it says or it doesn't. To say "our army fulfills this role, so the right listed herein is now unneeded" overlooks the role the amendment was intended to fulfill.

It's the "well organized" part of it that seems to get overlooked in our zeal to make sure that there are enough basements full of assault rifles with filed-down firing pins...

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:13:13pm

This is mean, but how does someone get the last name of Thigpen?

262 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:14:14pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Where are the transitionAl Qaedas?

263 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:14:18pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Either the 2nd Amendment (which ultimately gives the right to bear arms to the people) means what it says or it doesn't. To say "our army fulfills this role, so the right listed herein is now unneeded" overlooks the role the amendment was intended to fulfill.

I agree.

I was pointing out the word 'Militia" is in many ways outdated.

264 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:14:33pm

a well-organized militia

at the time the constitution was written, standing armies were considered a dangerous innovation that should be avoided, and were mostly associated with kings who were afraid of their subjects. they did not expect the united states to maintain a professional armed infantry force of any size - it would have been expected that citizens would train themselves in firearms and be ready to be called up if needed

265 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:15:02pm

re: #261 ggt
I have no idea. It appears to come from her father. /

266 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:15:41pm
267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:16:31pm
268 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:16:52pm

re: #263 ggt

According to Dr Samuel Johnson: militia is a standing armed force. Just imagine a standing armed force of women with cast iron frying pans and PMS.

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:18:28pm

re: #268 PhillyPretzel

According to Dr Samuel Johnson: militia is a standing armed force. Just imagine a standing armed force of women with cast iron frying pans and PMS.

You got more than you thought for that rib--heh?

Just imagine what you would've gotten for an arm or a leg.

270 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:18:34pm

re: #261 ggt

This sounds like a Princess Bride joke, but:

The name was first recorded in Gelderland
[Link: www.houseofnames.com...]

271 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:18:54pm

re: #263 ggt

I agree.

I was pointing out the word 'Militia" is in many ways outdated.

Back in the days where all you had to face on the battlefield was a comparably equipped infantry man, with the possible addition of cavalry and LOS artillery, militias made sense as a line of national defense.

Throw in air power, modern artillery, missiles, tanks, etc, not so much.

272 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:20:01pm

re: #269 ggt
The pretzel is a woman. :)

273 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:21:32pm

re: #268 PhillyPretzel

According to Dr Samuel Johnson: militia is a standing armed force. Just imagine a standing armed force of women with cast iron frying pans and PMS.

in colonial times, militias were local organizations of the adult male citizens of a township. there would be monthly musters, more or less well organized, sometimes degenerating into a drinking party

274 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:22:28pm

re: #263 ggt

I agree.

I was pointing out the word 'Militia" is in many ways outdated.

"well organized" is not outdated and probably means the same thing now as then...that is an aspect of the 2nd Amendment that seems to be terribly overlooked.

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:23:05pm

re: #261 ggt

Man goes to the court clerk. Says, "I want to change my name."
Clerk pulls out a form and says, "Okay, sir. What is your name?"
Man says, "Henry Buzzardbreath."
Clerk says, "Well, I guess I can understand that. To what do you want to change it?"
Man says, "George Buzzardbreath."

276 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:23:19pm

re: #273 engineer dog
Very true. But keep in mind a standing armed force of farmers with pitchforks. :)

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:24:31pm

re: #270 jaunte

This sounds like a Princess Bride joke, but:

No, the country in Princess Bride was Guilder. Deadly enemies of Florin. (Sometimes writers just get goofy.)

Gelderland is where the guy in "A Knight's Tale" is supposed to be from.

He's blond, he's pissed, he'll see you in the lists, Lichtenstein! Lichtenstein! He's blond, he's tanned, he comes from Gelderland, he comes from Gelderland! Gelderland, Gelderland, Gelderland... Gelderland, Gelderland, Gelderland...

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:24:32pm

re: #273 engineer dog

Didn't happen in Calumet, Colorado; thankyouverymuch.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:24:32pm

re: #276 PhillyPretzel

Very true. But keep in mind a standing armed force of farmers with pitchforks. :)

Which, IIRC, is the basis of the Martial Arts weapons as peasant farmers were not allowed to "carry arms". Which at that time in history were swords.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:26:15pm

re: #276 PhillyPretzel

Very true. But keep in mind a standing armed force of farmers with pitchforks. :)

IIRC, a trained man using a bowstaff can beat any other weapon in close combat.

281 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:26:29pm

re: #279 ggt
I referring to Colonial America not Feudal Japan.

282 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:27:08pm

re: #263 ggt

I agree.

I was pointing out the word 'Militia" is in many ways outdated.

The Libyans didn't seem to find the concept outdated. I read the Second amendment as establishing a prerequisite for a free state as being a well equipped citizenry having the potential to form an effective, functioning militia. It's one of those things where only when it's not available that one might actually need it.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:27:26pm

re: #279 ggt

Which, IIRC, is the basis of the Martial Arts weapons as peasant farmers were not allowed to "carry arms". Which at that time in history were swords.

There is a reason that when Jews moved into medieval towns (before things got ugly in Europe) they insisted that their right to bear arms be included in the charters covering their residence. They wanted to avoid ending up in a situation where they could be recategorized as serfs.

284 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:27:57pm

re: #280 ggt

::: schlepping out Honor Harrington's flechette gun :::

285 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:27:58pm

re: #273 engineer dog

in colonial times, militias were local organizations of the adult male citizens of a township. there would be monthly musters, more or less well organized, sometimes degenerating into a drinking party

for this, cite 'Everyday Life In Early America', David Freeman Hawke, Harper & Row, 1988, pp 135 - 137:

"Typically, these days began with a morning of drilling, followed by footraces and other sporting events, and ending, at least for one Virginia muster, with a hogshead of punch being rolled out, which 'entertained all the people and made them drunk and fighting all the evening, but without mischief.' No wonder Europeans derided what they saw of the militia."

286 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:30:08pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

The Libyans didn't seem to find the concept outdated. I read the Second amendment as establishing a prerequisite for a free state as being a well equipped citizenry having the potential to form an effective, functioning militia. It's one of those things where only when it's not available that one might actually need it.

I think if that were to happen today, a different word than "militia" would be used. The word, not the concept, is outdated.

287 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:30:39pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

The Libyans didn't seem to find the concept outdated. I read the Second amendment as establishing a prerequisite for a free state as being a well equipped citizenry having the potential to form an effective, functioning militia. It's one of those things where only when it's not available that one might actually need it.

QFT

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:31:19pm

re: #281 PhillyPretzel

I referring to Colonial America not Feudal Japan.

I know

I thought it was China. . .

289 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:31:43pm

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear nuclear weapons with ballistic delivery systems, stealth fighter jets, and top secret high tech intelligence gathering organizations shall not be infringed.

290 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:32:01pm

re: #280 ggt

IIRC, a trained man using a bowstaff can beat any other weapon in close combat.

Mat Cauthon, is that you?

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:32:49pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

The Libyans didn't seem to find the concept outdated. I read the Second amendment as establishing a prerequisite for a free state as being a well equipped citizenry having the potential to form an effective, functioning militia. It's one of those things where only when it's not available that one might actually need it.

The concept being that an armed citizenry cannot be defeated, or taken over by a tyrant.

I believe it.

Yet, with today's language, it took a ruling from the Supreme Court to clarify that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an Individual Right.

292 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:33:00pm

re: #289 engineer dog
I am sure you find a lawyer to prove that.

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:33:39pm

re: #290 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mat Cauthon, is that you?

No, but I've read about him.

Dear Ole' Dad said the same thing.

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:35:23pm

CrossBows, however, were illegal back in medieval times, IIRC.

Even for freemen.

The first arms regulations. . . .

295 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:36:04pm

NTC leader: 'Free elections in eight months'

The leader of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) has said the new government will hold free elections within eight months and pledged to put Muammar Gaddafi on trial in the country rather than an international court.

In comments published on Wednesday in Italy's La Repubblica newspaper, rebel leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil also promised to open Libya up to the outside world and build "strong relations with other countries".

"In eight months we will hold legislative and presidential elections," said Jalil, chairman of the NTC which now controls all but isolated pockets of the oil-rich state.

"We want a democratic government and a just constitution. Above all we do not wish to continue to be isolated in the world as we have been up to now," he told the newspaper.

296 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:37:35pm

re: #294 ggt

CrossBows, however, were illegal back in medieval times, IIRC.

Even for freemen.

The first arms regulations. . . .

How dare those verminous peasants wield a weapon capable of striking down a noble knight clad in his finest armor from a distance? Tis unchivalrous!

297 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:38:38pm

re: #291 ggt

The concept being that an armed citizenry cannot be defeated, or taken over by a tyrant.

I believe it.

Yet, with today's language, it took a ruling from the Supreme Court to clarify that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an Individual Right.

That wasn't just language. Pretty much all prior firearms cases were resolved without the Court seeing a need to rule on the question of the 2nd Amendment protecting an individual right. The Heller decision ruled on this because the case concerned the District of Columbia (which made it a federal case) and because the gun laws in question were of a nature that deprived Heller of any practical right to use a firearm to defend himself, even in his own home.

298 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:39:28pm

re: #294 ggt

CrossBows, however, were illegal back in medieval times, IIRC.

Even for freemen.

The first arms regulations. . . .

The Pope considered them "un-Christian", as they allowed lowly peasants to defeat armored knights, thus upsetting God's social order, and banned their use except against infidels.

299 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:39:56pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

That would include the Constitution, and on that point I disagree sharply. I don't favor interpreting the Bible literally, but I do favor interpreting the Constitution literally.

The trouble with literal interpretation of the constitution is that sometimes it's inconvenient. What if you want to bail borrowers out of mortgages with a state law saying they must get a break, but the constitution says no state shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts?

The SC ruled, back in the 30s, that the constitution could be set aside if they liked the law that did the aside-setting. That bridge has been crossed.

The trouble with non-literal interpretation of the constitution is that once the bridge is crossed, where is the line?

It won't suffice to point to an explicit provision of the constitution and be sure of winning at the SC. One of these days, somebody's going to be popular enough that he can win a third term, for instance. Will the constitution be any bar to that?

300 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:40:32pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

The Libyans didn't seem to find the concept outdated. I read the Second amendment as establishing a prerequisite for a free state as being a well equipped citizenry having the potential to form an effective, functioning militia. It's one of those things where only when it's not available that one might actually need it.

i don't think the 2nd amendment is outdated at all. i only mean to point out that our right to bear arms and be prepared to defend ourselves needs to be re-thought in the context of radical changes in the reality of politics, technology, and warfare in the intervening 220 years

if the citizens of the united states are ever denied their right to arm themselves and have at least some means of defending themselves against the possibility of a tyrannical government, or for that matter a government that fails to defend them - that will be a very sorry day indeed

301 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:40:54pm

re: #294 ggt

CrossBows, however, were illegal back in medieval times, IIRC.

Even for freemen.

The first arms regulations. . . .

They were actually condemned by a Papal Bull, if used against Christians. Using a crossbow against Muslims or pagans was not considered sinful.

/I'm not kidding. The bull in question did draw that distinction.

302 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:42:03pm

re: #298 ralphieboy

The Pope considered them "un-Christian", as they allowed lowly peasants to defeat armored knights, thus upsetting God's social order, and banned their use except against infidels.

Also allowed for use against infidels, square bullets

one, intended for use against Christian enemies, fired conventional round bullets, while the second variant, designed to be used against the Muslim Turks, fired square bullets, which were considered to be more damaging and would, according to the patent, convince the Turks of the "benefits of Christian civilization."

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:45:29pm

re: #300 engineer dog

i don't think the 2nd amendment is outdated at all. i only mean to point out that our right to bear arms and be prepared to defend ourselves needs to be re-thought in the context of radical changes in the reality of politics, technology, and warfare in the intervening 220 years

if the citizens of the united states are ever denied their right to arm themselves and have at least some means of defending themselves against the possibility of a tyrannical government, or for that matter a government that fails to defend them - that will be a very sorry day indeed

Will not happen.

Militia gun-nuts have shit buried all over. Like squirrels, just hope they can find them if they need them.

I have a difficult time thinking the citizenry will be disarmed. Enough people defy the law as it is with marijuana to show us that we can only police the people as much as they want to be policed.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:47:08pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

They were actually condemned by a Papal Bull, if used against Christians. Using a crossbow against Muslims or pagans was not considered sinful.

/I'm not kidding. The bull in question did draw that distinction.

Yeah, you get that kind of thing with theocracy.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:48:22pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

There is a reason that when Jews moved into medieval towns (before things got ugly in Europe) they insisted that their right to bear arms be included in the charters covering their residence. They wanted to avoid ending up in a situation where they could be recategorized as serfs.

Very interesting.

There is so much history we never learned in school . . . .

306 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:48:28pm

re: #274 ralphieboy

"well organized" is not outdated and probably means the same thing now as then...that is an aspect of the 2nd Amendment that seems to be terribly overlooked.

What is overlooked is the structure of the sentence and the logic behind it. What it does not say is "the right of the people to constitute themselves into a well organized militia and equip that militia with light infantry weapons shall not be abridged".

What is does say is this: that because a well organized militia is a good thing, the right of the people to the prerequisite to any such militia, to wit, the kinds of dual use light infantry weapons that many households kept for hunting or sport or home defense, shall not be abridged.

This leaves out brass knuckles and warships etc. Nobody anticipated machine guns, which are clearly infantry weapons, or AK47's, which are clearly light infantry weapons. Both, just as clearly, are not dual-use weapons like hunting rifles. So the constitution does not give definitive guidance on the matter.

307 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:49:30pm

re: #299 lostlakehiker

The trouble with literal interpretation of the constitution is that sometimes it's inconvenient. What if you want to bail borrowers out of mortgages with a state law saying they must get a break, but the constitution says no state shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts?

The SC ruled, back in the 30s, that the constitution could be set aside if they liked the law that did the aside-setting. That bridge has been crossed.

The trouble with non-literal interpretation of the constitution is that once the bridge is crossed, where is the line?

It won't suffice to point to an explicit provision of the constitution and be sure of winning at the SC. One of these days, somebody's going to be popular enough that he can win a third term, for instance. Will the constitution be any bar to that?

The actual reason for the ruling in the portion I bolded was that the Constitution could not be enforced in that case, except by using the Army to gun down thousands of people who would have starved had the Constitution been obeyed. It was very problematic ruling, but one made in extremis.

BBIAW

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:50:42pm

re: #306 lostlakehiker

What is overlooked is the structure of the sentence and the logic behind it. What it does not say is "the right of the people to constitute themselves into a well organized militia and equip that militia with light infantry weapons shall not be abridged".

What is does say is this: that because a well organized militia is a good thing, the right of the people to the prerequisite to any such militia, to wit, the kinds of dual use light infantry weapons that many households kept for hunting or sport or home defense, shall not be abridged.

This leaves out brass knuckles and warships etc. Nobody anticipated machine guns, which are clearly infantry weapons, or AK47's, which are clearly light infantry weapons. Both, just as clearly, are not dual-use weapons like hunting rifles. So the constitution does not give definitive guidance on the matter.

I do wish they had been a little more clear about the dual-use concept. There were enough examples in history, even our own slave codes, to warrant a specific sentence about hunting, sport and self-defense.

309 freetoken  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:51:33pm

Speaking of evolution, Paleoblog reminds us that on this day 32 years ago that cinema classic Planet of Dinosaurs premiered:

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:53:37pm

Up from 2400 yesterday to 9000 flights cancelled due to Irene.

311 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:54:17pm

5:00 PM EDT Sat Aug 27
Location: 36.2°N 76.0°W
Max sustained: 80 mph
Moving: NNE at 13 mph
Min pressure: 950 mb

312 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:54:47pm

re: #311 Varek Raith

5:00 PM EDT Sat Aug 27
Location: 36.2°N 76.0°W
Max sustained: 80 mph
Moving: NNE at 13 mph
Min pressure: 950 mb

Can you translate?

313 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:54:49pm

re: #303 ggt

Will not happen.

Militia gun-nuts have shit buried all over. Like squirrels, just hope they can find them if they need them.

I have a difficult time thinking the citizenry will be disarmed. Enough people defy the law as it is with marijuana to show us that we can only police the people as much as they want to be policed.

on the other hand, these Black Helicopter or Survivalist types who think that they are prepared to defend themselves against a hostile government with semi-automatic weapons and food supplies are totally fooling themselves

these days a government has much more sophisticated, not to mention outrageously expensive, ways to defeat individual citizens. if such a government didn't feel that a direct attack with a squad of fighter jets or bombers was the way to deal with an insurrection, there are always ways of tying up people with lawsuits, digital warfare against somebody's finances, or other insidious black ops

if you want to fight a fascist government, '1984' is a much better reference work than a weapons manual

314 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:56:19pm

re: #312 ggt

Can you translate?

Irene is centered near the NC/VA border, with sustained winds of 80 mph.
Moving North North East.

315 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:56:47pm

re: #272 PhillyPretzel

The pretzel is a woman. :)

Impossible. There's no girls on the internets!

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:57:33pm

re: #313 engineer dog

on the other hand, these Black Helicopter or Survivalist types who think that they are prepared to defend themselves against a hostile government with semi-automatic weapons and food supplies are totally fooling themselves

these days a government has much more sophisticated, not to mention outrageously expensive, ways to defeat individual citizens. if such a government didn't feel that a direct attack with a squad of fighter jets or bombers was the way to deal with an insurrection, there are always ways of tying up people with lawsuits, digital warfare against somebody's finances, or other insidious black ops

if you want to fight a fascist government, '1984' is a much better reference work than a weapons manual

Still, if you are going to take people, house-by-house, it will take an insane person go do it in Tennesse or Texas.

I remember in Kosovo, where the police (or military) were doing just that. Going door-to-door and saying "get out". I couldn't imagine that happening here.

Ruby Ridge was an insidious example of what you described. Still pisses me off.

317 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:57:55pm

re: #315 Atlas Fails
Who said girl. I am a woman. If you do not like it that is your problem, not mine.

318 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:58:51pm

The automobile is a potetually deadly device. Our cars are licensed and some training (not enough) is required to have a license to use one. That doesn't mean they will be taken away, so why not a very strict licensing of both the devise and the user for guns. If up to me this would include the firing and registering of one round for future reference.
If the NRA was a responsible organization rather than a paranoid one they would be agreeable to this.

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 2:59:09pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

Irene is centered near the NC/VA border, with sustained winds of 80 mph.
Moving North North East.

Thank you

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:00:11pm

re: #318 proto87

The automobile is a potetually deadly device. Our cars are licensed and some training (not enough) is required to have a license to use one. That doesn't mean they will be taken away, so why not a very strict licensing of both the devise and the user for guns. If up to me this would include the firing and registering of one round for future reference.
If the NRA was a responsible organization rather than a paranoid one they would be agreeable to this.

Automobiles are not mentioned in the Constitution. A driver's license is a privilege not a right.

Bearing Arms IS a right.

321 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:02:24pm

re: #320 ggt

The Constitution is not a document written to limit rights, so it's irrelevant that automobiles are not mentioned in them.

Bearing arms is something that changes in appropriateness with time. Things are not like they were back then. The reasons for the things in the bill of rights have to be taken into account, otherwise we're fetishizing text and not intention.

322 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:02:26pm

I gotta go for a while.

Stay Safe Right Coast Lizards!

323 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:02:43pm

re: #312 ggt

The eye is north of Kill Devil Hills NC moving NNE. 80mph is a moderate Cat 1 storm. Pressure is a gauge of storm intensity (lower the number, the more intense the storm). The strongest storms can see pressures below 920 mb.

324 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:03:14pm

BTW, we've gotten a couple of tropical downpours here - no real wind, but just a taste of things to come.

325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:03:25pm

re: #321 Obdicut

The Constitution is not a document written to limit rights, so it's irrelevant that automobiles are not mentioned in them.

Bearing arms is something that changes in appropriateness with time. Things are not like they were back then. The reasons for the things in the bill of rights have to be taken into account, otherwise we're fetishizing text and not intention.

IIRC, the Bill of Rights, indeed the whole Constitution is written to limit the power of government, not individual citizens.

326 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:04:03pm

re: #320 ggt

Automobiles are not mentioned in the Constitution. A driver's license is a privilege not a right.

Bearing Arms IS a right.

So how does licensing and being sure the right is managed safely an infringement on the right?

327 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:05:35pm

Image: gov-rick-perry-gun-240jdf04281015.jpg
Not proper weapon handling and reckless.
Even if he is using blanks.
Too many in this country don't know how to properly handle a firearm. That's dangerous.

328 docproto48  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:06:39pm

re: #327 Varek Raith

Image: gov-rick-perry-gun-240jdf04281015.jpg
Not proper weapon handling and reckless.
Even if he is using blanks.
Too many in this country don't know how to properly handle a firearm. That's dangerous.

My point exactly

329 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:07:33pm

re: #325 ggt

IIRC, the Bill of Rights, indeed the whole Constitution is written to limit the power of government, not individual citizens.

Yes to the former, no to the latter. The constitution is not just a document of limitation, and it's a big mistake to look at it as such. It charges the government with the heavy duty of protecting the citizens and providing for their general welfare, as well as holding up the rule of law and engaging in treaties. The Constitution contains very good provisions for hedging the power of the government, but it is not meant to solely bind the government, but also to charge it with a purpose in being. That part is important. The government is to serve the people, not just to stay out of their way.

330 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:07:53pm

And many assume that arms means just guns.
I WANT AN OPEN CARRY PERMIT FOR MY KATANA DAMMIT!!!

331 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:08:00pm

Minus: 1
ThomasLite

let me put it this way -

'citizen's militia' groups might as well have written letters to the FBI saying "please put me on your list of people who will be under constant surveillance"

332 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:08:10pm

re: #272 PhillyPretzel

The pretzel is a woman. :)

Well, I'll be darned—cool! I always assumed you were a guy, though I'm not sure why. I guess that's the default assumption, heh.

I've been meaning to pick a bone with you over your new avatar: What's up with the skinny pretzels? I wanna see some of these. ;)

333 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:10:18pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker
Skinny pretzels are what I had around the house. No soft pretzels at the time.

334 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:10:41pm

The right against quartering of troops is an interesting one; it was highly relevant for the colonists, but it's pretty irrelevant to our modern army. Our armed forces wouldn't want to quarter troops with citizens, except, you know, their families. That came about because it was one of the chief complaints of the colonists against the British, because troops were often mercenaries, and because it was a hedge against a standing army.

I'm not saying it's not a good right to have, but it is an almost totally irrelevant one. Part of its purpose was to prevent a large standing army. It failed in that.

335 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:11:01pm

Anybody got a towel? Tis a might wet out there today.

///

336 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:11:46pm

re: #334 Obdicut

The right against quartering of troops is an interesting one; it was highly relevant for the colonists, but it's pretty irrelevant to our modern army. Our armed forces wouldn't want to quarter troops with citizens, except, you know, their families. That came about because it was one of the chief complaints of the colonists against the British, because troops were often mercenaries, and because it was a hedge against a standing army.

I'm not saying it's not a good right to have, but it is an almost totally irrelevant one. Part of its purpose was to prevent a large standing army. It failed in that.

As is maintaining a militia because of the modern military. ;)

337 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:11:57pm

re: #333 PhillyPretzel

Skinny pretzels are what I had around the house. No soft pretzels at the time.

Ah, okay. Well be sure to keep a camera with you for next time you're out near a pretzel cart. Food is all I can think about by this point in the day...

338 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:14:14pm

re: #337 CuriousLurker

Ah, okay. Well be sure to keep a camera with you for next time you're out near a pretzel cart. Food is all I can think about by this point in the day...

Does Mayor Bloomberg allow people to photograph pretzel carts?

//

339 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:14:25pm

Some moderate rain, a bit breezy now.

340 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:15:57pm

re: #333 PhillyPretzel

Skinny pretzels are what I had around the house. No soft pretzels at the time.

I need a salty snack now.

341 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:16:21pm

re: #336 Gus 802

As is maintaining a militia because of the modern military. ;)

The reality was that even during the Revolutionary war, the Continental Army was a lot more effective than the regional militias, except in the rare cases where the militias were fighting right on home ground a lot of them actually knew-- like Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys, who were basically his friends and relatives. And they got their asses kicked when they went to Montreal.

342 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:16:33pm

re: #339 Varek Raith

Where are you at?

343 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:18:17pm

re: #342 Obdicut

Where are you at?

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

344 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:19:52pm

re: #318 proto87

If up to me this would include the firing and registering of one round for future reference.
If the NRA was a responsible organization rather than a paranoid one they would be agreeable to this.

Have you bought a new handgun recently? They all come with a factory fired spent casing in a small signed and sealed container. There are states (like Maryland) where the firearms retailer is required to send this envelope in to law enforcement where it is filed away in a warehouse. To my knowledge there has never been a single crime solved in any state through their spent casing laws, because the whole concept is deeply flawed. Firing pins wear microscopically over time, after firing about a hundred rounds that firing pin can no longer be forensically tied to the spent casing on file. Firing pins and barrels can also be changed, so the idea sounds good on paper but is pretty much useless in the real world.

345 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:20:24pm

90°F clear and sunny here.

346 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:21:50pm

My closest location. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

347 freetoken  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:21:56pm

re: #345 Gus 802

90°F clear and sunny here.

Here too... probably a good time to go to the gym.

348 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:23:11pm

re: #345 Gus 802

90°F clear and sunny here.

Cloudy & drizzly here in Jersey, but otherwise calm.

349 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:24:26pm

re: #348 CuriousLurker

Cloudy & drizzly here in Jersey, but otherwise calm.

Not a good day for boating. :)

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:26:14pm

re: #334 Obdicut

The right against quartering of troops is an interesting one; it was highly relevant for the colonists, but it's pretty irrelevant to our modern army. Our armed forces wouldn't want to quarter troops with citizens, except, you know, their families. That came about because it was one of the chief complaints of the colonists against the British, because troops were often mercenaries, and because it was a hedge against a standing army.

I'm not saying it's not a good right to have, but it is an almost totally irrelevant one. Part of its purpose was to prevent a large standing army. It failed in that.

Me, I'm a fanatic Thirder. No GI is taking a nap on my couch without I get paid for it!!!

351 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:26:28pm

re: #348 CuriousLurker
Its coming. Get those supplies while you can.

352 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:26:42pm

re: #345 Gus 802

90°F clear and sunny here.

Not gonna downding...wouldn't be prudent...

///

353 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:28:26pm

re: #351 PhillyPretzel

Its coming. Get those supplies while you can.

Coffee [x]
Cigarettes [x]
Booze [x]
Snacks [x]
Candles [x]

//

354 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:29:28pm

OOT:
After reading the link in the post intro, I didn't know whether to laugh hysterically or giggle maniacally so I chose to wet my pants while chortling evilly.

Back to OT, and the weather.

355 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:31:16pm

Adequately non-sucking here today.

356 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:31:35pm

re: #353 Gus 802

Coffee [x]
Cigarettes [x]
Booze [x]
Snacks [x]
Candles [x]

//

You reminded me, I need to put some Spaten in the fridge.

357 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:32:28pm

re: #353 Gus 802

Coffee [x]
Cigarettes [x]
Booze [x]
Snacks [x]
Candles [x]
BOOTSTRAPS [X]
//

Geez when you gonna learn?

358 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:33:06pm

re: #357 BigPapa

I'm using those to keep my lawn furniture in place. ///

359 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:33:11pm

re: #357 BigPapa
you mean hip waders don't you?

360 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:33:23pm

Hmm. That thing is going to track right over or near my folk's house. Hope their roof holds.

361 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:33:51pm

re: #351 PhillyPretzel

Its coming. Get those supplies while you can.

Yep, got mine yesterday. I don't have to worry about flooding since my building is at the top of a fairly steep incline, but the wind can really whip around up here.

Here's my nearest location.

362 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:36:21pm

Some tracking links.

[Link: crisislanding.appspot.com...]

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

You can vary layers on the first link including satellite imagery and infrared.

363 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:37:27pm

re: #313 engineer dog

on the other hand, these Black Helicopter or Survivalist types who think that they are prepared to defend themselves against a hostile government with semi-automatic weapons and food supplies are totally fooling themselves

these days a government has much more sophisticated, not to mention outrageously expensive, ways to defeat individual citizens. if such a government didn't feel that a direct attack with a squad of fighter jets or bombers was the way to deal with an insurrection, there are always ways of tying up people with lawsuits, digital warfare against somebody's finances, or other insidious black ops

if you want to fight a fascist government, '1984' is a much better reference work than a weapons manual

Governments can be overthrown nowadays, and sometimes, by violent revolution. But not without the defection to the insurrection of some part of the armed forces. A people's uprising cannot hold against the whole force of the regular military. Not even in Libya.

Well, I correct myself. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe is an example to the contrary. If the military has for its demographic base a tiny fraction of the population, all bets are off.

364 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:37:30pm

re: #360 Gus 802

Hmm. That thing is going to track right over or near my folk's house. Hope their roof holds.

Are they in Jersey? Hope they'll be okay.

365 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:38:07pm

It's sunny here for now but the winds are a consistent 3 MPH with 6MPH gust. I'd best bring in the creepy garden gnome before he gets pissed!!

366 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:38:58pm

re: #364 CuriousLurker

Are they in Jersey? Hope they'll be okay.

I think so. My dad said they're all ready. House is about 45' ASL and well inland. Worse case scenario would be high winds and a faulty roof but it's a fairly modern home from the 1970s.

367 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:41:58pm

re: #366 Gus 802

I think so. My dad said they're all ready. House is about 45' ASL and well inland. Worse case scenario would be high winds and a faulty roof but it's a fairly modern home from the 1970s.

Well, it's good to hear they should be okay. I'm hoping all the evacuations and stuff are just erring on the side of caution.

What's ASL?

368 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:42:39pm

re: #367 CuriousLurker

Well, it's good to hear they should be okay. I'm hoping all the evacuations and stuff are just erring on the side of caution.

What's ASL?

Above sea level.

369 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:43:52pm

re: #368 Gus 802

Above sea level.

Oh. Duh. Now it's obvious.

370 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:44:31pm

re: #367 CuriousLurker

What's ASL?

35/M/NY

///

371 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:44:31pm

re: #369 CuriousLurker
I had to look it up.

372 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:45:08pm

re: #370 JasonA

35/M/NY

///

Don't start! //

373 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:45:22pm

re: #370 JasonA
I am not going there.

374 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:45:42pm

re: #371 PhillyPretzel

Okay, I don't feel so bad then. Heh.

375 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:45:49pm

re: #373 PhillyPretzel

I am not going there.

IANGT?

376 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:46:03pm

re: #372 CuriousLurker

Don't start! //

Welcome to AOL.

//

377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:46:41pm

Dumb, stupid confederates.

378 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:46:42pm

re: #363 lostlakehiker

Speaking of Zimbabwe and Libya, there are rumors that Khadafi took off for Zimbabwe; Zimbabwe hasn't signed the ICC so no extradition worries for Khadafi, and Zimbabwe refuses to recognize the NTC.

379 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:47:14pm

re: #376 Gus 802
No AO double hockey sticks.

380 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:47:20pm

re: #368 Gus 802

Above sea level.

When talking science it stands for Above Stupid level. You'll never see a creationist's name associated with ASL.

381 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:47:36pm

re: #378 lawhawk

Speaking of Zimbabwe and Libya, there are rumors that Khadafi took off for Zimbabwe; Zimbabwe hasn't signed the ICC so no extradition worries for Khadafi, and Zimbabwe refuses to recognize the NTC.

Zimbabwe may get to recognize a SEAL team, then.

382 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:49:03pm

re: #381 Obdicut

Zimbabwe may get to recognize a SEAL team, then.

Nah, we're not going to send a team in to a sovereign nation to assassinate a former dictator.

383 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:49:14pm

re: #379 PhillyPretzel

No AO double hockey sticks.

384 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:50:12pm

Okay, the background they've put up behind Brian Williams is beyond ridiculous.

385 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:50:19pm

re: #383 CuriousLurker

[Video]

Ha! Haven't heard that in a while. Here's something related...

386 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:50:35pm

re: #381 Obdicut

Zimbabwe may get to recognize a SEAL team, then.

We're ready for action, Sarge.
[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]

387 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:50:40pm

re: #384 JasonA

Okay, the background they've put up behind Brian Williams is beyond ridiculous.

What is it?

388 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:51:16pm

re: #381 Obdicut

Or the French or British or Italian equivalents.

389 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:51:32pm

re: #385 Gus 802

Ha! Haven't heard that in a while. Here's something related...

[Video]

Now there's a sound I haven't heard in ages.

390 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:51:38pm

re: #387 Gus 802

What is it?

cryptospeak

391 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:51:46pm

re: #387 Gus 802

What is it?

It's like, clouds coming towards him and big raindrops. It's weird.

392 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:52:14pm
393 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:52:17pm

Judge allows forcible medication of Jared Laughner; his condition has apparently worsened.

394 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:53:03pm

re: #392 JasonA

The Eye of Sauron Trump lurks just behind...

395 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:53:24pm

re: #382 JasonA

Nah, we're not going to send a team in to a sovereign nation to assassinate a former dictator.

Oh, not assassinate, in this case. To kidnap and bring to the ICC.

396 blueraven  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:53:34pm

re: #355 BigPapa

Adequately non-sucking here today.

You are just mean! /

Austin Today

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

397 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:53:59pm

Governor Christie Prepares For Storm By Telling It To Mind Its Own Fucking Business

governor perry advises striking a sexy masculine pose and sloganizing belligerently

398 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:54:39pm

re: #395 Obdicut

Oh, not assassinate, in this case. To kidnap and bring to the ICC.

Eh, I still don't see us doing that.

399 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:54:39pm

re: #395 Obdicut

Oh, not assassinate, in this case. To kidnap and bring to the ICC.

and bring Bob along, while their at it

400 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:55:37pm

re: #392 JasonA

Mordor New York City.

Image: NewYorkHarborClouds-cropped-proto-custom_26.jpg

Yikes. That reminds me of living in Atlantic City. From the boardwalk you could watch storms rolling across the ocean headed for town. It was terrifying to me. I don't know how the people who lived in luxury high-rises facing the water could stand looking out their windows. *shudder*

401 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:56:21pm

re: #400 CuriousLurker

Yikes. That reminds me of living in Atlantic City. From the boardwalk you could watch storms rolling across the ocean headed for town. It was terrifying to me. I don't know how the people who lived in luxury high-rises facing the water could stand looking out their windows. *shudder*

Believe it or not, some of us would be really into that.

402 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:59:05pm

re: #400 CuriousLurker

Yikes. That reminds me of living in Atlantic City. From the boardwalk you could watch storms rolling across the ocean headed for town. It was terrifying to me. I don't know how the people who lived in luxury high-rises facing the water could stand looking out their windows. *shudder*

one day in kansas we watched a storm approach from perhaps 50 miles away

403 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:00:45pm

re: #401 JasonA

Believe it or not, some of us would be really into that.

Not me. I'm a total chicken when it comes to the ocean. I used to have a recurring nightmare as a kid involving a beach with a high rocky cliff behind it and a stormy, raging ocean in front of it.

I love the ocean and going to the beach, but I was used to the Gulf. Very calm waters, for the most part. Still, I almost got knocked off a jetty once by a wave. And Florida? OMG, was there during a storm once—waves crashing against the seawall and splashing up onto the street. *whimper*

404 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:02:03pm

re: #402 engineer dog

one day in kansas we watched a storm approach from perhaps 50 miles away

Wow, it never occurred to me that flat open land would be very much the same with a storm approaching. O_o

405 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:02:53pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

Wow, it never occurred to me that flat open land would be very much the same with a storm approaching. O_o

Yes, it is pretty wonderful from that stand point.

406 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:05:54pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

Wow, it never occurred to me that flat open land would be very much the same with a storm approaching. O_o

On flat open land we can watch our dogs run away for days. Watching a storm from 50miles away is standard fair.

407 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:06:06pm

re: #405 prairiefire

Yes, it is pretty wonderful from that stand point.

Heh, I'd be in bed with the covers pulled over my head, refusing to look out the window. The raw power of nature is frightening. I'm cool with it as long as it's on TV or the movies, in person not so much.

408 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:10:13pm

re: #407 CuriousLurker

Heh, I'd be in bed with the covers pulled over my head, refusing to look out the window. The raw power of nature is frightening. I'm cool with it as long as it's on TV or the movies, in person not so much.

Last summer we were headed out for supper and noticed a funnel cloud just south of the restaurant (we were north of the restaurant). The wife wanted to turn away, the grandson and I wanted to keep going. The wife was outvoted.

409 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:12:02pm

re: #408 b_sharp

Last summer we were headed out for supper and noticed a funnel cloud just south of the restaurant (we were north of the restaurant). The wife wanted to turn away, the grandson and I wanted to keep going. The wife was outvoted.

Oh, man. I would've been majorly pissed.

410 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:14:58pm

re: #409 CuriousLurker

Oh, man. I would've been majorly pissed.

It never touched down and partially dissipated by the time we got to the restaurant. :(

I think the wife was both afraid and intrigued.

411 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:18:10pm

re: #410 b_sharp

It never touched down and partially dissipated by the time we got to the restaurant. :(

I think the wife was both afraid and intrigued.

Those funnel clouds are scary stuff, even the small ones. We used to get tornadoes back in Texas.

412 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:21:18pm

Okay, time to start cooking. Going back into lurk mode...

413 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:21:30pm

re: #411 CuriousLurker

Those funnel clouds are scary stuff, even the small ones. We used to get tornadoes back in Texas.

We get lots of tornadoes here, but they're almost all quite small and deaths from them are quite unusual.

We've only had one tornado over F3 here and one in the neighbouring province. F0, and F1 are the norm.

414 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:24:54pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

I just threw an attempted shoplifter out of the store. Well, not threw, literally, I more like yelled him out. Got some attention once we were outside, because I kept yelling. Somebody suggested I call the cops on him, so I did that too.

re: #378 lawhawk

Speaking of Zimbabwe and Libya, there are rumors that Khadafi took off for Zimbabwe; Zimbabwe hasn't signed the ICC so no extradition worries for Khadafi, and Zimbabwe refuses to recognize the NTC.

Gaddafi and Mugabe...two dictatorial peas-in-a-pod, they are. It wouldn't surprise me if ol' Q-Daffy did make for Zimbabwe...let's hope he didn't make it there and is where the rebels can get to him.

415 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:26:54pm

re: #413 b_sharp

We get lots of tornadoes here, but they're almost all quite small and deaths from them are quite unusual.

We've only had one tornado over F3 here and one in the neighbouring province. F0, and F1 are the norm.

Where I lived (San Antonio) was in a sort of bowl shaped depression, so whenever a tornado got in—even a small one—it could do a lot of damage because it would just bounce around off the edges of the bowl like a pinball. Like the ones in your area they rarely resulted in deaths, but they could tear off a lot of roofs and knock down a lot of trees and power lines and stuff.

416 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:33:21pm

re: #415 CuriousLurker

Where I lived (San Antonio) was in a sort of bowl shaped depression, so whenever a tornado got in—even a small one—it could do a lot of damage because it would just bounce around off the edges of the bowl like a pinball. Like the ones in your area they rarely resulted in deaths, but they could tear off a lot of roofs and knock down a lot of trees and power lines and stuff.

We do lose a few roofs and trees, but Sask is quite flat and mostly rural. You can walk for miles without running across a building and the trees are in clumps separated by large fields of crops. We had an F3 about a km wide truck across the landscape for more than 40kms and while it did eventually hit a first nations band, it was lifting when it did. It crushed 11 houses, but missed the school, the store and the band office.

Strange thing stole a 12' trampoline from a friend's house and deposited it in the trees (10m above ground) about 20m away from a second house. Neither house was damaged in any way.

417 celticdragon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:36:10pm

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

If I see a turtle on a fencepost I'm going to put it back down on the ground. Does that make me god?

It means you passed a VK test and you are not a replicant....

418 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:36:23pm

re: #416 b_sharp

Wow, good thing it didn't do more damage! Heh, weird about the trampoline.

419 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:43:18pm

re: #417 celticdragon

It means you passed a VK test and you are not a replicant...

Remember I said my Dad in Greensboro would feel nostalgic about the earthquake because he missed California? I talked with him yesterday, the word he used was "homesick"! I was pretty close!

420 celticdragon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:53:46pm

re: #419 wrenchwench

Remember I said my Dad in Greensboro would feel nostalgic about the earthquake because he missed California? I talked with him yesterday, the word he used was "homesick"! I was pretty close!

Heh! I felt the same way!

421 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:01:56pm

re: #418 CuriousLurker

Wow, good thing it didn't do more damage! Heh, weird about the trampoline.

In 1912 an F4 went through Regina, killing 28 people. It picked up a pair of men in a canoe and dropped them immediately. Neither man died. It demolished a house, leaving only the stove, and the pots on it untouched.

Random action can do surprising things.

422 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:47:14pm

That Gould quote isn't even about evolution per se, but about gradualism -- as opposed to punctuated equilibrium or catastrophism.

423 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:53:19pm

re: #251 engineer dog

from the preface to the revised standard edition:

the king james version uses the word "let" in the sense of "hinder", "pervent" to mean "precede", "allow" in the sense of "approve", "communicate" for "share", "conversation" for "conduct", "comprehend" for "overcome", "ghost" for "spirit", "wealth" for "well-being", "allege" for "prove", "demand" for "ask", "take no thought" for "be not anxious", "purchase a good degree" for "gain a good standing", etc.

..and that doesn't take into account the same analysis from Aramaic to Greek, to Latin; not to mention the first few hundred years based largely on verbal stories.

424 Irving  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:42pm

re: #24 Obdicut

Hey, he's a god who would pleasure twenty-five milkmaids simultaneously in a night. That would mellow me out.

425 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:12:10pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

The actual reason for the ruling in the portion I bolded was that the Constitution could not be enforced in that case, except by using the Army to gun down thousands of people who would have starved had the Constitution been obeyed. It was very problematic ruling, but one made in extremis.

BBIAW

There's an equity reason too. Nobody had envisioned major deflation. The dollars in which debts were repaid had twice the buying power of those in which the debt was contracted.

426 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 12:38:39am

re: #108 eclectic infidel

There's a condom in my turtle soup. You can't explain that.

/

Turtles were the first animal order to have a penis.

427 Pacific moderate  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:43:11pm

Oh well, what do you expect when his readership apparently has to have the word "none" defined for them?


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