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1 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:52:30pm

I must say, that is music to my ears.

3 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:55:50pm

I'm sure that would sound golden when played here - although no crowd to enjoy it...

4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 3:59:38pm

Off for the evening!

Have a wonderful night all and

stay safe!

5 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:01:22pm

hurricane music...

6 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:05:56pm

WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Boy who died of dehydration was punished for wetting bed

A 10-year-old boy who died of dehydration after his parents deprived him of water last month was being disciplined for wetting the bed, authorities said Friday.

Documents obtained a day after Jonathan James’ father and stepmother were arrested in his death show how the boy suffered while he was denied drinking water for five days in July. And in an interview Friday, Jonathan’s grandmother said that he had called her in late June to say he was afraid to live with his father and stepmother for a month-long, court-ordered custody visit.

7 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:13:01pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Boy who died of dehydration was punished for wetting bed

Jail time.
Daily flogging should be added.
This type of abuse convinces me parenthood requires a test and a license.

8 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:13:02pm

Pub Advisory 30A (7pm):
SUMMARY OF 700 PM EDT...2300 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...36.5N 75.8W
ABOUT 35 MI...55 KM SE OF NORFOLK VIRGINIA
ABOUT 315 MI...510 KM SSW OF NEW YORK CITY
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...950 MB...28.05 INCHES

Up to 14 inches of rain have fallen in parts of NC, the center of the storm is now back over open water, and the speed of the storm has increased slightly, but it's still creeping along at 16mph (from 14mph). The speed of the storm may help temper the rainfall amounts since the storm wont drop as much rain on any one part.

9 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:13:12pm

Wonderful. Is this off of a dvd release?

10 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:14:55pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evil, selfish ignorant #@&%xx**

11 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:15:53pm

re: #10 jaunte

Evil, selfish ignorant #@&%xx**

That needs to be repeated.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:16:21pm

re: #7 b_sharp

Jail time.
Daily flogging should be added.
This type of abuse convinces me parenthood requires a test and a license.

Hell, this should merit a life sentence. Anyone who inflicts this sort of death on a child has forfeited their right to liberty forever.

Out again, maybe back later.

13 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:19:00pm

re: #9 wlewisiii

Wonderful. Is this off of a dvd release?

Yes

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

14 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:21:26pm
15 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:32:29pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Hell, this should merit a life sentence. Anyone who inflicts this sort of death on a child has forfeited their right to liberty forever.

Out again, maybe back later.

A life sentence at least.

Without water during the course of the sentence.

16 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:36:09pm

Evolution
Image: lCwoU.jpg

17 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:39:10pm
18 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:40:58pm

Movietone Newsreel: Great Hurricane of '38
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:41:06pm

Do our east coasters have internet?

20 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:41:49pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Do our east coasters have internet?

No, you're getting this post by semiphore.

//

21 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:42:10pm

re: #7 b_sharp

Jail time.
Daily flogging should be added.
This type of abuse convinces me parenthood requires a test and a license.

Home studies and agency, usually private, approval are required for adoptive parents (even thought there are reams of cases of them who abuse and murder their childern, too). We already have a nasty, filthy history thanks to conservative eugenics and other con/states rights and totalitarian state repression of familes -- e.g. anti-miscegenation laws, one-drop rules, and criminalization of married couples using contraception. Because of the daily stories of abused children (and soon it will be vulnerable elders), I wish tests and licenses for breeding couples were somehow feasable, like they are for adoptive ones.

But I don't trust the states as far as I can throw them to do right by people on it. They never have and never will.

22 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:43:08pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Do our east coasters have internet?

... --- ...

23 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:44:29pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A life sentence at least.

Without water during the course of the sentence.

one wonders why he was wetting the bed at 10yrs old....he was probably tormented his whole short life...makes my sick, and angry

24 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:45:10pm

Keith and Jack play with all four limbs. Gary only has to use his arms, but he has no frets! It's all like magic to me.

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:45:28pm

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So is it passed you now?

26 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:45:58pm

re: #23 albusteve

one wonders why he was wetting the bed at 10yrs old...he was probably tormented his whole short life...makes my sick, and angry

Being scared shitless of your parents might have some reason to do with it.

27 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:47:59pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

So is it passed you now?

It is in the process of doing so. Still receiving some gusts, and the rain's picking back up. But, so far, it looks like it's on the way out.

28 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:50:34pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Being scared shitless of your parents might have some reason to do with it.

they tortured him, murdered the boy...there is no punishment dire enough for those people

30 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:50:59pm

re: #21 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Home studies and agency, usually private, approval are required for adoptive parents (even thought there are reams of cases of them who abuse and murder their childern, too). We already have a nasty, filthy history thanks to conservative eugenics and other con/states rights and totalitarian state repression of familes -- e.g. anti-miscegenation laws, one-drop rules, and criminalization of married couples using contraception. Because of the daily stories of abused children (and soon it will be vulnerable elders), I wish tests and licenses for breeding couples were somehow feasable, like they are for adoptive ones.

But I don't trust the states as far as I can throw them to do right by people on it. They never have and never will.

Those are the problems, it restricts rights and can be corrupted by inconsistent management. My wife was in foster homes from the time she was 6 til she broke away at the age of 15. The stories she tells are not good. Stories from other people through the system more recently tell better stories, but the conditions seem to vary along with the government in power.

I fear adoptive services would be the same.

31 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:54:58pm

Ron Paul's Statement on the Hurricane

After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.

"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.

32 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:55:11pm

re: #23 albusteve

one wonders why he was wetting the bed at 10yrs old...he was probably tormented his whole short life...makes my sick, and angry

Some kids just take a while to stop, with the environment not really having an affect. Of the four boys in my family, two of my siblings wet the bed until they were 8. I am the oldest and I never wet the bed and the youngest stopped at two. Genetically, (in appearance) the two middle boys were similar and the two extremes were similar.

33 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:55:49pm

re: #27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Does your sis still have to work tonight?

34 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:56:27pm

re: #28 albusteve

they tortured him, murdered the boy...there is no punishment dire enough for those people

Morally I agree with you, but the law and convention say otherwise.

35 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:58:02pm

re: #34 b_sharp

The law does a rotten job of protecting the weakest.

36 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:58:31pm
37 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:59:40pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann has a plan to bring those jobs back:

Lower Minimum Wage To Match Cost Of Overseas Labor

Yes, a winning strategy for a general election. Run with it, Michelle...

38 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:01:00pm

re: #37 JasonA

Yes, a winning strategy for a general election. Run with it, Michelle...

"China is running slave labor camps and we can do the same thing here! It's the free market at work!"

39 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:03:47pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"China is running slave labor camps and we can do the same thing here! It's the free market at work!"

We need to be competitive!!

40 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:03:51pm

re: #35 jaunte

The law does a rotten job of protecting the weakest.

When you have a sector of society demanding the right to do what they want with their kids, just because they are their kids, the law is going to be restricted.

41 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:04:33pm

re: #33 JasonA

Does your sis still have to work tonight?

Nah, apparently her manager was able to convince corporate that, with the nearby mall closed, there would be no business tonight. No word about tomorrow...yet.

42 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:04:39pm

re: #40 b_sharp

Yes, it's a win for property rights.

43 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:05:10pm

re: #40 b_sharp

When you have a sector of society demanding the right to do what they want with their kids, just because they are their kids, the law is going to be restricted.

what's restricted in this case?...parental right mean nothing
1st degree murder

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:05:20pm

re: #30 b_sharp

Those are the problems, it restricts rights and can be corrupted by inconsistent management. My wife was in foster homes from the time she was 6 til she broke away at the age of 15. The stories she tells are not good. Stories from other people through the system more recently tell better stories, but the conditions seem to vary along with the government in power.

I fear adoptive services would be the same.

Mgt problems, and how to enforce it. It's just a heinous idea. But I read these stories daily, incl. about abuse of adopted children and just wish more can be done for the children, if the stupid communities their dumb bigot parents aren't going to step up to help and protect them.

Problem with abuse in adoption and fostering situations is, the parents have already gone through a very extensive filter-out process, yet we still end up with dead/abused kids. And with the added hysteria from the pollyanna/fingerwagger set that the kids have nothing complain about since they were chosen, wanted, lucky, should be grateful, etc.

The whole topic whether natural/bio or adopted/fostered/orphanage makes me want to throw things.

45 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:06:24pm

re: #41 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, apparently her manager was able to convince corporate that, with the nearby mall closed, there would be no business tonight. No word about tomorrow...yet.

I guess you are lucky.

BreakingNews Breaking News

325,000 without power in Hampton Roads VA, and northeastern NC - DailyPress bit.ly/orqR5S

46 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:07:22pm

Shoulda bought some alcohol.

47 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:08:15pm

re: #42 jaunte

Yes, it's a win for property rights.

Have you ever argued that kids are not property and parents do not have the right to do what they want with people like that? They bitch and moan about the nanny state and it being too PC. To them, 'PC' has become an expletive.

48 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:08:48pm

re: #43 albusteve

what's restricted in this case?...parental right mean nothing
1st degree murder

We were talking in more general terms Steve.

49 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:09:07pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea
Tornado Watch in S Jersey. [Link: forecast.weather.gov...]

50 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:10:41pm

re: #44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My wife and I went through the adoption screening process; Texas was mostly interested in our finances, and the psychological check was pretty much confined to someone asking repeatedly "are you prepared for this responsibility?" The process was extremely loose.

51 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:10:54pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

I guess you are lucky.

BreakingNews Breaking News

325,000 without power in Hampton Roads VA, and northeastern NC - DailyPress bit.ly/orqR5S

Oh, you looking to jinx me? This ain't over yet!

/

52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:11:02pm

re: #43 albusteve

what's restricted in this case?...parental right mean nothing
1st degree murder

The restriction in that case is totally hypothetical, since the issue would be, how could this have been stoppped in the first place. I don't think there's a sufficiennt answer, unfortunately, tbh.

53 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:12:58pm

re: #51 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, you looking to jinx me? This ain't over yet!

/

oops! Hey, I'm originally from Florida, gone through many that didn't amount to much. Had already moved here when the big ones started hitting.

54 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:13:06pm

re: #51 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, you looking to jinx me? This ain't over yet!

/

Underground lines FTW!
:P

55 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:13:47pm

Wonkette Wonkette

Irene Devastation: Netflix Streaming Apparently Out For Whole East Coast bit.ly/p1iP0g

56 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:14:15pm

So far this is pretty mundane.

57 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:14:16pm

Houston is still at 104 degrees at 7pm...

58 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:14:37pm

The Tyrant!! Dictator!! Worse than Gaddafi!!!

@ CoryBooker : We have ordered bars and taverns closed at 10 pm

59 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:14:44pm

re: #44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Mgt problems, and how to enforce it. It's just a heinous idea. But I read these stories daily, incl. about abuse of adopted children and just wish more can be done for the children, if the stupid communities their dumb bigot parents aren't going to step up to help and protect them.

Problem with abuse in adoption and fostering situations is, the parents have already gone through a very extensive filter-out process, yet we still end up with dead/abused kids. And with the added hysteria from the pollyanna/fingerwagger set that the kids have nothing complain about since they were chosen, wanted, lucky, should be grateful, etc.

The whole topic whether natural/bio or adopted/fostered/orphanage makes me want to throw things.

I agree with you completely. As long as we have a segment of the voting public believing kids are exclusively in the parent's domain, this shit will continue to happen. I wish the saying 'It takes a village to raise a child' was taken to heart by more people.

60 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:14:53pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

Wonkette Wonkette

Irene Devastation: Netflix Streaming Apparently Out For Whole East Coast bit.ly/p1iP0g

OH NOES!

61 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:15:14pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

So far this is pretty mundane.

MSNBC just reported that 2 million Virginians are without power. Is this true?

62 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:15:35pm

re: #61 JasonA

MSNBC just reported that 2 million Virginians are without power. Is this true?

Whoa.
Hold on a sec.

63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:16:13pm

re: #50 jaunte

My wife and I went through the adoption screening process; Texas was mostly interested in our finances, and the psychological check was pretty much confined to someone asking repeatedly "are you prepared for this responsibility?" The process was extremely loose.

Some agencies require refs, home studies and the like. Adoption laws also differ from state to state, including whether or not the adoption records are required to be sealed (which is most states, though that is beginning to loosen though not by much) the sexuality of the prospective adoptive parents, etc.

But yeah it's basically a financial transaction anyway, so it doesn't surprise me that the primary concern was financial.

64 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:16:52pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

Lies.

65 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:17:32pm

re: #57 jaunte

Houston is still at 104 degrees at 7pm...

86 here in San Diego. Everyone is at the beach.

66 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:17:40pm

re: #61 JasonA

MSNBC just reported that 2 million Virginians are without power. Is this true?

Negative. Last count had somewhere around 800k. 2mil is total number of Dominion Power customers.

67 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:17:46pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Whoa.
Hold on a sec.

Yeah, I can see that being true.
Mostly in Hampton, Norfolk and east of Richmond.

68 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:18:29pm

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Negative. Last count had somewhere around 800k. 2mil is total number of Dominion Power customers.

That'll teach me to guestimate.
[Link: www.dom.com...]

69 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:18:33pm

re: #64 Obdicut

Lies.

Obdi, I'm counting on your Upper East Side live blog. Or did you move?

70 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:19:12pm

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Negative. Last count had somewhere around 800k. 2mil is total number of Dominion Power customers.

Fact check fail

71 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:20:11pm

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Negative. Last count had somewhere around 800k. 2mil is total number of Dominion Power customers.

Ah. Still a significant number. Yikes.

72 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:21:13pm

re: #57 jaunte

Houston is still at 104 degrees at 7pm...

98 in ABQ

73 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:21:57pm

re: #72 albusteve

Cool front!

74 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:22:04pm

re: #71 JasonA

Ah. Still a significant number. Yikes.

1.8mil lost power with Isabel back in '03, including yours truly.

75 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:22:27pm

re: #74 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

1.8mil lost power with Isabel back in '03, including yours truly.

I didn't.
:P
Teasing you is fun.

76 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:23:24pm

face it...Irene is a bust
3rd rate little blow

77 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:23:40pm

Tornado Watch in NYC until 5 AM. When it rains...

78 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:26:15pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Obdi, I'm counting on your Upper East Side live blog. Or did you move?

Yeah, I'm here. My wife will probably want me to curl up on the couch with her at some point, though.

Totally nothing going on right now.

79 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:26:37pm

I guess it is raining heavily.

80 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:27:14pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Yeah, I'm here. My wife will probably want me to curl up on the couch with her at some point, though.

Totally nothing going on right now.

Just rainy up here in Westchester.

And there doe seem to be an unusual number of bad drivers out on the streets.

81 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:27:22pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

I didn't.
:P
Teasing you is fun.

Oh yeah?! Well, You can g....*carrier lost*

82 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:28:15pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Yeah, I'm here. My wife will probably want me to curl up on the couch with her at some point, though.

Totally nothing going on right now.

We were famous for having hurricane parties. Kinda dumb, but we were always lucky. Bring your pillows and blankets! And booze!

83 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:29:49pm

re: #76 albusteve

face it...Irene is a bust
3rd rate little blow

The people Irene killed aren't 3rd rate.

84 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:31:13pm

re: #76 albusteve

face it...Irene is a bust
3rd rate little blow

We have no idea how much this storm will end up costing us. Shutting down mass transit alone comes with a price tag in lost economy.

85 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:31:18pm

re: #83 b_sharp

The people Irene killed aren't 3rd rate.

really?

86 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:31:38pm

re: #85 albusteve

really?

Two children so far.

87 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:32:35pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

We were famous for having hurricane parties. Kinda dumb, but we were always lucky. Bring your pillows and blankets! And booze!

I lived off base in NC. For some reason, I was always able to make sure my buddies were at my place when the base went on hurricane lockdown.

"Yeah, SSgt, I got those 2 at my place. They can't make it back to the barracks. I'll watch them. /click... OK, BEER RUN!"

88 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:33:07pm

re: #77 JasonA

Tornado Watch in NYC until 5 AM. When it rains...

[Link: www.erh.noaa.gov...]

89 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:33:33pm

re: #86 JasonA

Two children so far.

yes, that's a shame...Irene is still a bust

90 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:36:32pm

re: #85 albusteve

really?

By minimizing the storm you are in effect minimizing the deaths caused by it.

91 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:36:34pm

re: #89 albusteve

yes, that's a shame...Irene is still a bust

Shush. Adults are talking.

92 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:37:56pm

Tornado watches have now been posted for the following counties in NJ through 5am tomorrow: ATLANTIC; BERGEN; BURLINGTON; CAPE MAY; CUMBERLAND; ESSEX; HUDSON; MIDDLESEX; MONMOUTH; OCEAN; PASSAIC; and UNION

93 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:38:02pm

re: #90 b_sharp

I don't read his comment that way. I think he's just saying that Irene isn't as big a storm as the hype would have it.

94 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:39:38pm

re: #91 JasonA

Shush. Adults are talking.

He's just indulging his online "persona":

Image: main-archie-bunker.jpg

95 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:41:00pm

re: #93 jaunte

I don't read his comment that way. I think he's just saying that Irene isn't as big a storm as the hype would have it.

That may be true. Perhaps it should have been stated that way.

96 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:41:12pm

re: #94 bratwurst

He's just indulging his online "persona":

Image: main-archie-bunker.jpg

He should come over here. Plenty of clouds for him to yell at.

97 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:41:28pm

re: #90 b_sharp

By minimizing the storm you are in effect minimizing the deaths caused by it.

bullshit...have I insulted you?...you want me to?
you over think it

98 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:42:02pm

re: #93 jaunte

Is this the storm that was being hyped as the next LI Express or similar storm? No. At least not yet (in NYC metro). The relatively low number of casualties is a good thing, and it's good to know that most people have taken sensible precautions.

It's plenty bad, and the reaction/overreaction/counterreaction may need a few days to be sorted out. After all, the NYC metro area has yet to feel the full effects, and if there's significant blackouts for extended periods of time, that'll be plenty bad - we'd be talking about millions without power, on top of the 400-500k in the Carolinas. If the storm surge goes as expected, it may be plenty bad for the NYC metro area, including possible flooding of subways, causing significant damage.

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:42:16pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Boy who died of dehydration was punished for wetting bed

Sigh. There should be a mandatory class at the hospital in which parents are informed that physical punishment for problems with peeing and pooping are not ever appropriate. (Or, ever going to work).

Also: problems with learning, problems with speaking, problems with eating*, problems with sucking your thumb, etc.

*Except for the time my uncle shoved the meat he didn't want into the hollow table leg and it rotted, forcing my grandparents to buy a new dining room table. A little time working off some of the price of the new table might be appropriate.

100 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:43:33pm

re: #93 jaunte

I don't read his comment that way. I think he's just saying that Irene isn't as big a storm as the hype would have it.

people are drooling over this storm...think about the political currency or fallout...there are a lot of people that really want to see us get pasted again and in that regard Irene has not delivered...that I minimize death is ludicrous

101 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:43:49pm

re: #90 b_sharp

By minimizing the storm you are in effect minimizing the deaths caused by it.

Eh, it's just somebody else's kids.

Who cares. /

102 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:44:10pm

re: #100 albusteve

Yeah, I didn't read it that way.

103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:44:22pm

re: #97 albusteve

bullshit...have I insulted you?...you want me to?
you over think it

Sounds scary.

104 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:44:25pm

Irene is a big disappointment? Indeed, it's really sad that we don't have bodies to pile like cordwood, maybe the next one can be more entertaining.


*rolls eyes*

105 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:45:07pm

re: #104 prononymous

Irene is a big disappointment? Indeed, it's really sad that we don't have bodies to pile like cordwood, maybe the next one can be more entertaining.

*rolls eyes*

If only it was more like 1900!!!

106 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:45:29pm

re: #102 jaunte

Yeah, I didn't read it that way.

well, you know me better than the others

107 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:45:30pm

re: #100 albusteve

people are drooling over this storm...think about the political currency or fallout...there are a lot of people that really want to see us get pasted again and in that regard Irene has not delivered...that I minimize death is ludicrous

It's because all the media peeps are in the storm's path. Hype it up. Like they did with the quake.
WE'RE DOOMED!
:)

108 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:46:07pm

Hardcore:

[Link: twitter.com...]

109 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:46:34pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

It's because all the media peeps are in the storm's path. Hype it up. Like they did with the quake.
WE'RE DOOMED!
:)

110 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:46:43pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

It's because all the media peeps are in the storm's path. Hype it up. Like they did with the quake.
WE'RE DOOMED!
:)

Did you see Angry Black Lady's tweets last night critiquing the storm reporters? hil ar i o u s

111 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:47:18pm

I'm very proud of LGF for going so long without someone posting a certain Scorpions song that shall go unnamed.

112 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:47:34pm

re: #111 JasonA

I'm very proud of LGF for going so long without someone posting a certain Scorpions song that shall go unnamed.

Too easy.

113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:47:48pm

From ABL ( I worked all day, apologize if this was posted!)

[Link: flpbd.it...]

114 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:47:49pm

re: #111 JasonA

I think someone did last night.

115 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:48:10pm

Who wants to buy Ron Paul's house?

"Generations of Liberty loving kids have grown up here"
[Link: buyronpaulshouse.com...]

116 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:48:21pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

From ABL ( I worked all day, apologize if this was posted!)

[Link: flpbd.it...]

BEER RUN!

117 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:48:38pm

re: #114 jaunte

I think someone did last night.

I didn't see it so it didn't happen.

118 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:48:46pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

It's because all the media peeps are in the storm's path. Hype it up. Like they did with the quake.
WE'RE DOOMED!
:)

pols are using the weather as a political 2x4 now

119 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:48:48pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Tornado watches have now been posted for the following counties in NJ through 5am tomorrow: ATLANTIC; BERGEN; BURLINGTON; CAPE MAY; CUMBERLAND; ESSEX; HUDSON; MIDDLESEX; MONMOUTH; OCEAN; PASSAIC; and UNION

I hope Snookie is Ok

120 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:49:24pm

Anyone post this?

121 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:49:30pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout
LOL

122 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:49:32pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I read a tweet yesterday claiming that Governor Christie had ordered her tied down.

123 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:49:40pm

re: #115 jaunte

Who wants to buy Ron Paul's house?

I bet there's a pot of gold under that swimming pool.

124 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:50:19pm

re: #97 albusteve

bullshit...have I insulted you?...you want me to?
you over think it

I didn't say you did insult me. What you did say about the storm side stepped the very real costs of the storm. I can't consider any event that has real human costs as being 3rd rate, which in most contexts means inconsequential and not worth being concerned about.

If your 3rd rate was just a comparitor, then I'll retract my comment.

125 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:50:27pm

re: #122 jaunte

I read a tweet yesterday claiming that Governor Christie had ordered her tied down.

Too little too late. That order should have come years ago.

126 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:51:13pm

Va Governor announces 3 deaths in Virginia -- all from falling trees [Link: wapo.st...] #Irene

127 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:51:30pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I hope Snookie is Ok

She flew to LA for the MTV Video awards or something. Yes, I read TMZ.

whatta life.

128 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:52:25pm

Tornado warning for the Atlantic City area. Several other warnings posted for DE and Cape May county.

129 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:53:30pm

For a more obscure hurricane reference, Audioslave's Wide Awake:

130 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:53:31pm


Challenges in Predicting the Intensity of Storms

Irene may be the first hurricane to hit the East Coast in several years, but in one respect it is like all the others that have come and gone before it: forecasters have had difficulty predicting its strength.

131 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:53:39pm

re: #128 lawhawk
I am not surprised. There is lots of nasty weather outside my window.

132 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:54:02pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

Or this....


I think it's a better song but maybe that's just me
133 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:54:11pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

I'll see you that and raise you this:

134 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:54:41pm

Several major rivers in CT are already over flood stage.

135 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:54:53pm

re: #133 bratwurst

I'll see you that and raise you this:

[Video]

Denzel was ROBBED!

(saw that on the twitter in response)

136 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:55:27pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Is that Dio? I guess I could google but to lazy

137 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:55:46pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Bah.

138 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:56:13pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Is that Dio? I guess I could google but to lazy

WHAT?!

139 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:56:43pm

Meanwhile, this happened...

140 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:57:02pm

Feels weird thinking about power outages and looking at MSNBC showing a pic of Times Square all lit up.

141 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:57:31pm

NPR used a bit of this as bumper music yesterday:

142 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 5:59:34pm

Just released.

Hurricane IRENE Public Advisory

000
WTNT34 KNHC 280053
TCPAT4

BULLETIN
HURRICANE IRENE INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 30B
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092011
900 PM EDT SAT AUG 27 2011

...IRENE LASHING THE VIRGINIA TIDEWATER REGION AND SOUTHERN DELMARVA
PENINSULA WITH HEAVY RAINS AND HURRICANE-FORCE WIND GUSTS...


SUMMARY OF 900 PM EDT...0100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...36.9N 75.6W
ABOUT 100 MI...160 KM SSW OF OCEAN CITY MARYLAND
ABOUT 285 MI...460 KM SSW OF NEW YORK CITY
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...951 MB...28.08 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES IN WATCHES AND WARNINGS WITH THIS ADVISORY...

THE HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED SOUTH OF CAPE LOOKOUT
NORTH CAROLINA.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* CAPE LOOKOUT NORTH CAROLINA NORTHWARD TO SAGAMORE BEACH
MASSACHUSETTS...INCLUDING THE PAMLICO...ALBEMARLE...AND CURRITUCK
SOUNDS...DELAWARE BAY...CHESAPEAKE BAY SOUTH OF DRUM POINT...NEW
YORK CITY...LONG ISLAND...LONG ISLAND SOUND...COASTAL CONNECTICUT
AND RHODE ISLAND...BLOCK ISLAND...MARTHAS VINEYARD AND NANTUCKET

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* CHESAPEAKE BAY FROM DRUM POINT NORTHWARD AND THE TIDAL POTOMAC
* NORTH OF SAGAMORE BEACH TO EASTPORT MAINE
* UNITED STATES/CANADA BORDER NORTHEASTWARD TO FORT LAWRENCE
INCLUDING GRAND MANAN
* SOUTH COAST OF NOVA SCOTIA FROM FORT LAWRENCE TO PORTERS LAKE

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN EASTERN CANADA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF
IRENE.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA IN THE UNITED
STATES...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE
MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
FORECAST OFFICE. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA OUTSIDE
THE UNITED STATES...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL
METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.

143 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:00:29pm

Damn that thing is crawling.

144 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:00:45pm

re: #140 JasonA

[Link: www.earthcam.com...]

145 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:00:46pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHAT?!

They all sound the same to me. 80's is not my favorite decade for music.

146 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:00:57pm

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's Gears of War with Space Marines and Orcs.

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:01:26pm

re: #143 Gus 802

Damn that thing is crawling.

16 MPH is a pretty good clip.

148 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:01:45pm

What I love about this trio is that they are so aware of each other. Jarrett is the best jazz pianist in the world and DeJohnette and Peacock are the best sidemen he could possibly have.

This is just brilliant music. It's nice we live in a time where we can hear it. Lucky us!

149 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:01:50pm

re: #143 Gus 802

Damn that thing is crawling.

That's actually fast for a hurricane.

150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:01:50pm

Two very obvious ones:

Gnarls Barkley

Ethel Waters/definitive version to end all versions

151 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:02:15pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

They all sound the same to me. 80's is not my favorite decade for music.

heh...

152 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:02:48pm

Off to make a full pot of coffee in case the power goes.

153 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:03:21pm

re: #150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ethel Waters/definitive version to end all versions

I stopped the Ry Cooder for that one!

154 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:04:01pm

re: #143 Gus 802

Crawling, and not weakening significantly despite going over NC. That's bad news... a big crawling pile of bad news.

155 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:04:15pm

OT: Can anyone tell me what kind of tree this is?

Pink Blossoms 1
Pink Blossoms 2

156 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:05:54pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker
Dogwood

157 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:06:09pm

re: #143 Gus 802

Damn that thing is crawling.

Over open water again. Storm surge/flash flooding is a huge threat. Big storm. Even as it grows extra-tropical, it will maintain its wind/rain field. Bad Motherfucker. Lots of storm surge in New England.

158 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:06:54pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

OT: Can anyone tell me what kind of tree this is?

Pink Blossoms 1
Pink Blossoms 2

Dogwood.

159 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:06:56pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

[Link: www.vendio.com...]

160 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:07:41pm

re: #154 lawhawk

Crawling, and not weakening significantly despite going over NC. That's bad news... a big crawling pile of bad news.

It's moving next to Pocomoke City MD and right now they're reporting winds at 44 MPH. Expecting gusts up to 75 MPH or near hurricane force winds.

161 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:08:15pm

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

Dogwood

Thank you! I took those photos like 3.5 years ago and never knew what the tree was. It's sooo gorgeous (right down the block form my place).

162 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:08:23pm

re: #146 JasonA

It's Gears of War with Space Marines and Orcs.

SILENCE!

163 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:08:39pm

re: #157 austin_blue

Over open water again. Storm surge/flash flooding is a huge threat. Big storm. Even as it grows extra-tropical, it will maintain its wind/rain field. Bad Motherfucker. Lots of storm surge in New England.

It's bad for a Cat. 1. No reports of any widespread devastation thus far though.

164 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:09:01pm

re: #158 austin_blue

re: #159 jaunte

Sheesh, I should've know to come here and ask a long time ago. Thanks. ;o)

165 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:09:24pm

Boston shuts down public transit for #Irene [Link: bit.ly...] #HurricaneIrene

166 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:09:42pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker
That used to be what one of the trees at my dad's old place. It also come in white.

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:10:51pm

re: #165 lawhawk

Do you guys have a rule for emergency vehicles up there? (wind speed max before being grounded?)

168 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:10:52pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

It really took my breath away the first time I saw it. I don't remember ever seeing one of them in Texas.

169 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:30pm

re: #165 lawhawk
Philly is suspending service too.
[Link: www.septa.org...]

170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:33pm

Your Low-Drama but Quite Intense 90s Keyboards Clip of the Day:

This was the first CD I ever bought.

171 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:33pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

OT: Can anyone tell me what kind of tree this is?

Pink Blossoms 1
Pink Blossoms 2

I'll say Magnolia.

172 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:11:57pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SILENCE!

That's not entirely a criticism!

173 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:12:27pm

re: #172 JasonA

That's not entirely a criticism!

He's a fanatic.
Remember?
:)

174 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:12:34pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

I stopped the Ry Cooder for that one!

Isn't she the best? Talk about a standard-setter.

175 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:12:40pm

re: #168 CuriousLurker
There are lots of them in Valley Forge. They are beautiful in spring. I believe the leaves turn dark red in the fall.

176 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:12:55pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

I'll say Magnolia.

That's what I thought at first too, but it looks like it's a dogwood.

177 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:13:11pm

re: #163 Gus 802

It's bad for a Cat. 1. No reports of any widespread devastation thus far though.

It's a Cat 1, but it is carrying a storm surge of a Cat 2 or 3. Refer to Ike or Katrina, which hit land as a Cat 2 and 3, respectively.

It's never the wind, unless it hits land as a Cat 4/5, it's always the water, either surge or rain, that kills.

178 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:13:45pm

re: #176 CuriousLurker

That's what I thought at first too, but it looks like it's a dogwood.

Fuck, I stink at trees.

179 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:15:34pm

re: #175 PhillyPretzel

There are lots of them in Valley Forge. They are beautiful in spring. I believe the leaves turn dark red in the fall.

I think you're right. I'll have to pay more attention to it this year. There are so many beautiful flowering trees up here. Many of them are different from the ones I grew up around, so they seem very exotic. Plus the color—there's really not much fall color in Texas, not like up here anyway.

180 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:15:42pm

[Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]
[Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]
These are some nice pictures of the flowers/trees.

181 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:16:17pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Fuck, I stink at trees.

LOL, well you're good at frogs & ponds. That should count for something.

182 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:16:23pm
183 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:17:20pm

re: #180 PhillyPretzel

[Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]
[Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]
These are some nice pictures of the flowers/trees.

*blinks* Well, I'll be damned. I never knew that site had photos like that. Thanks.

184 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:17:44pm

re: #182 Varek Raith
Very pretty. Kelly Drive (East River) has some very nice cherry blossom trees.

185 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:18:47pm

Reading Wrenchwench's page.

wtf...
no, really, wtf...?

186 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:18:58pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

My favorite tree.
Image: WashingtonDC-Cherry-Blossoms-2.jpg

Ooo, so gorgeous. There's a cherry tree across the street from me. At least I think that's what it is. Gonna have to check now that I have some resource links.

187 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:19:21pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker
I use it as a dictionary and encyclopedia. A student whom I was tutoring gave me the website and I have been using it since.

188 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:19:37pm

Mexican analyst suspended after inciting violence against cyclists

^^That thing is unPageable^^

I could not select any text except in an ad.

You don't have to read it. Same thing happened on a Clear Channel station in the US a couple of years ago.

189 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:19:49pm

re: #185 JasonA

Reading Wrenchwench's page.

wtf...
no, really, wtf...?

LINK? or I'll just go look.

I believe the Dogwood is the state tree of Virginia.

190 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:20:17pm

Hiya Lizards...I'm watching a show about College football in the South..
I got my tickets to the Ball State vs. Oklahoma game this year...Crap about 200 bucks for a good ticket..Highway robbery!
Yes.. I am wearing my Ball U tee shirt that day..I should be safe.. Ball State is a little Indiana College..Hopefully no fights in the Stands..

191 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:20:24pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

192 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:20:34pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea
I believe you are correct.

193 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:21:15pm

re: #185 JasonA

Reading Wrenchwench's page.

wtf...
no, really, wtf...?

The Bolivian one? I agree.

194 sagehen  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:22:20pm

anybody done this one yet?

195 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:22:32pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

The Bolivian one? I agree.

Those men don't deserve to have testicles...

196 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:22:45pm

re: #190 HoosierHoops

Hiya Lizards...I'm watching a show about College football in the South..
I got my tickets to the Ball State vs. Oklahoma game this year...Crap about 200 bucks for a good ticket..Highway robbery!
Yes.. I am wearing my Ball U tee shirt that day..I should be safe.. Ball State is a little Indiana College..Hopefully no fights in the Stands..

Mention the Gators?

197 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:23:19pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

I'm so used to automatically going to Wikipedia that I often forget there are other resources. I'm gonna add that one to my keyword search thingamajig in Firefox.

198 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:24:29pm

We hit 110 today. We have had .06 inches of rain in the last 60 days. I am watering, at this point, just to keep my trees alive to help give me shade. The rest of my yard is as dead as Romney's chances of being nominated for President.

A brutal, brutal summer.

199 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:24:57pm

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've got to believe there is one, but not sure what it would be. Might be around 60 mph. That's one of the reasons the city shut things down. They didn't want to deal with rescue situations in extreme weather situations.

It's also why high rises around the city are shutting down their elevators - to prevent anyone from being caught in 'em should the power go out.

200 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:25:36pm

re: #198 austin_blue

We hit 110 today. We have had .06 inches of rain in the last 60 days. I am watering, at this point, just to keep my trees alive to help give me shade. The rest of my yard is as dead as Romney's chances of being nominated for President.

A brutal, brutal summer.

Under normal circumstances I'd be a dick and brag about the rain we're getting, but well, you know...

201 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:26:18pm

re: #195 JasonA

Those men don't deserve to have testicles...

Good way to put it.

202 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:27:12pm

I gotta go... tend to some business...

Image: funny-pictures-chillax-gurlfren.jpg

203 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:27:21pm

So we're at 2 million Virginians now.

[Link: www2.timesdispatch.com...]

204 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:27:25pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

I think you're right. I'll have to pay more attention to it this year. There are so many beautiful flowering trees up here. Many of them are different from the ones I grew up around, so they seem very exotic. Plus the color—there's really not much fall color in Texas, not like up here anyway.

Fall color in many places back east is a real treat for us westerners. The west is dominated by coniferous forests that stay green year round. But eastern US has large deciduous forests from lower appalachia,etc through vermont, etc.

If you live near or regularly visit a deciduous forest you may want to consider planting and harvesting wild ginseng. It takes little more effort than pleasant walks in the forest, ~5 years of patience, and some light digging. And real wild ginseng is in huge demand in china so it goes for something like $1000/lb dry, iirc. PS, please obey the laws of your locality regarding wild ginseng - they differ from state to state.

205 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:27:32pm

re: #184 PhillyPretzel

Newark's Branch Brook Park has one of the largest cherry groves behind DC.

206 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:28:20pm

re: #200 JasonA

Under normal circumstances I'd be a dick and brag about the rain we're getting, but well, you know...

Thanks. Really.

There is no humor in this drought, at this point. It's just a motherfuckingcocksuckingsonofabitch.

So to speak.

207 sagehen  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:29:10pm

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you guys have a rule for emergency vehicles up there? (wind speed max before being grounded?)

There's a rule for shutting bridges at a certain wind speed, just so cars don't go falling off the edges.

The TV people are also going on and on about how wind speed (sustained and gusts) is an extra 10mph for every 10 floors up (antennas and water tanks may be on the 70th/80th/90th floor, it'll be ugly if any of those go flying)

208 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:29:58pm

The cats are waiting, but I can't close the thread while that Leon Russell is playing...

209 sagehen  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:31:29pm
210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:31:32pm

re: #207 sagehen

There's a rule for shutting bridges at a certain wind speed, just so cars don't go falling off the edges.

The TV people are also going on and on about how wind speed (sustained and gusts) is an extra 10mph for every 10 floors up (antennas and water tanks may be on the 70th/80th/90th floor, it'll be ugly if any of those go flying)

Here it's 45 MPH for emergency vehicles to be grounded but they'll shut down the Skyway Bridge in a heartbeat. It's 175 or so feet tall.

211 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:32:04pm

re: #207 sagehen

There's a rule for shutting bridges at a certain wind speed, just so cars don't go falling off the edges.

The TV people are also going on and on about how wind speed (sustained and gusts) is an extra 10mph for every 10 floors up (antennas and water tanks may be on the 70th/80th/90th floor, it'll be ugly if any of those go flying)

That's my main worry with my apartment. A window getting hit by flying debris.

212 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:32:29pm

Okay, totally OT:

The people who want to be cryogenically frozen: Why?

This planet has enough people on it already, and unless you are Stephen Hawking and we have a way to cure you, why would we bother to thaw you out? They imagine that they are going to be brought back to life and made young again, or cured, or something, but why would anyone want to bring you back?

Everyone who knew you will be dead, and unless you had some incredible and unique talent, this planet has a lot of people already, and making more is cheap and not that hard.

I suppose I'm being mean, but I don't get it. Yeah, a comment in the news triggered this rant.

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:33:05pm

re: #211 oaktree

That's my main worry with my apartment. A window getting hit by flying debris.

Do you have masking tape?

214 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:33:19pm

re: #212 EmmmieG

Okay, totally OT:

The people who want to be cryogenically frozen: Why?

This planet has enough people on it already, and unless you are Stephen Hawking and we have a way to cure you, why would we bother to thaw you out? They imagine that they are going to be brought back to life and made young again, or cured, or something, but why would anyone want to bring you back?

Everyone who knew you will be dead, and unless you had some incredible and unique talent, this planet has a lot of people already, and making more is cheap and not that hard.

I suppose I'm being mean, but I don't get it. Yeah, a comment in the news triggered this rant.

You ever heard of Teddy Popsicle?

215 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:33:23pm

re: #204 prononymous

Fall color in many places back east is a real treat for us westerners. The west is dominated by coniferous forests that stay green year round. But eastern US has large deciduous forests from lower appalachia,etc through vermont, etc.

If you live near or regularly visit a deciduous forest you may want to consider planting and harvesting wild ginseng. It takes little more effort than pleasant walks in the forest, ~5 years of patience, and some light digging. And real wild ginseng is in huge demand in china so it goes for something like $1000/lb dry, iirc. PS, please obey the laws of your locality regarding wild ginseng - they differ from state to state.

Thanks for the info, very interesting. Unfortunately I'm pretty far form anything resembling a forest. Very urban area here, so the only trees & plants I see are either part of private homes or apartment building landscapes.

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:33:44pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

You ever heard of Teddy Popsicle?

DING!!!!!!!

217 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:35:05pm

re: #205 lawhawk

Newark's Branch Brook Park has one of the largest cherry groves behind DC.

Earlier this year when I was out photographing neighborhood stuff with my camera, a lady passed by and mentioned that to me. I'm really close to Newark, so I have to make a point of going next spring.

218 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:35:57pm

re: #215 CuriousLurker

Thanks for the info, very interesting. Unfortunately I'm pretty far form anything resembling a forest. Very urban area here, so the only trees & plants I see are either part of private homes or apartment building landscapes.

It's something to keep in mind when you get that second home out in the country. Plus it's something to think about for all of our eastern lizards that might need some side income. :)

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:36:59pm

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you have masking tape?

I already taped the windows as best I could.

220 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:37:14pm

The east river has crested the banks

[Link: yfrog.com...]

221 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:37:40pm

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

DING!!!

LOL.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:37:54pm

Watching the Detroit/New England game. Is NE gonna be able to go home tonight?

223 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:38:55pm

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watching the Detroit/New England game. Is NE gonna be able to go home tonight?

Detroit is looking very good.

224 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:17pm

re: #218 prononymous

It's something to keep in mind when you get that second home out in the country. Plus it's something to think about for all of our eastern lizards that might need some side income. :)

You know what there are a TON of around here? Ginkgo trees. Love their fan shaped leaves and I know they're supposed to be god for the brain/memory.

There's also a way cool chestnut tree a couple of blocks down.

225 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:18pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

You ever heard of Teddy Popsicle?

What happened to Ted Williams (more specifically, his frozen head) was a travesty.

226 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:33pm

re: #207 sagehen

Yes... but those structures are generally prepared for wind loading.

I'd be more concerned about tower cranes, like those at Ground Zero on 1WTC or 4WTC. The crews there had been going and tying everything down, but who knows. Wind and rain can be a real tricky thing with tall towers with ungainly stuff

227 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:40:41pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

The east river has crested the banks

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Yikes!

228 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:41:31pm

re: #223 Mr Pancakes

Detroit is looking very good.

You know Detroit is going to surprise people.. They have been drafting athletes the last couple of years...

229 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:43:02pm

Teddy Popsicle is Ted Williams, baseball great. When he died at age 83 of heart failure some snake oil company convinced him to have his damn HEAD cut off and frozen for eternity, or until they figure out what to do.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:43:22pm

re: #223 Mr Pancakes

Detroit is looking very good.

I meant are they gonna be able to fly home.

231 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:43:38pm

re: #228 HoosierHoops

You know Detroit is going to surprise people.. They have been drafting athletes the last couple of years...

Detroit are the Cubs of the NFL...anybody that wants them to lose is a commie

232 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:43:44pm

re: #228 HoosierHoops

You know Detroit is going to surprise people.. They have been drafting athletes the last couple of years...

Matthew Stafford could school Jay Cutler.

233 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:44:05pm

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar
Most likely not. It is best if they stay put.

234 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:44:09pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

Looks like photos from around 14th street near NYU university hospital and the old Con Ed plant. That's LIC in the background.

235 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:44:52pm

re: #234 lawhawk

Looks like photos from around 14th street near NYU university hospital and the old Con Ed plant. That's LIC in the background.

Sally Kohn re-tweeted the photo.

236 albusteve  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:44:59pm

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

I meant are they gonna be able to fly home.

they should side track to Vegas for a few days

237 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:45:32pm

CNN CNN

Hurricane Irene: Death toll climbs to nine, more than 1 million without power on.cnn.com/q4Qw6N

238 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:46:03pm

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

I meant are they gonna be able to fly home.

I was just making a random comment on the game.

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:47:44pm

re: #238 Mr Pancakes

I was just making a random comment on the game.

I know. And Detroit is looking good. But hey, the Bucs used to go 4-0 in preseason and 3-13 for the real one.:(

240 sagehen  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:48:59pm

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

It became less funny when people started mistaking Ms. Tien for the hurricane on Twitter. On the social-messaging service where people post 140-character messages that anyone can read, Ms. Tien has since 2006 had the handle “Irene.”

241 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:49:11pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

242 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:49:50pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

Nite, Philly.

243 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:50:01pm

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. And Detroit is looking good. But hey, the Bucs used to go 4-0 in preseason and 3-13 for the real one.:(

That's true. and that happens all the time. But methinks we'll see a Detroit team that breaks out this year and becomes very competitive. I would even venture to say that they'll finish 2nd in the division.

244 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:50:30pm

re: #229 Stanley Sea

Teddy Popsicle is Ted Williams, baseball great. When he died at age 83 of heart failure some snake oil company convinced him to have his damn HEAD cut off and frozen for eternity, or until they figure out what to do.

Teddy..Perhaps the greatest hitter of all time ( Sans Steroids era)
Before he retired he won another batting title hitting .388
Three effen Eighty Eight as an old guy..
I remember watching a special on him years ago..And he was a split personality..Was a terrible dad and husband.. Great player..
His last at bat in the Majors The pitcher threw a fastball past him..Damn he said I just missed that.. I'll bet he throws the same pitch again..
He hit the next pitch out of the park for his final at-bat.. After he retired he became close to his son and daughter and really grew as a man..

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:51:01pm

re: #243 Mr Pancakes

For them to take 2nd, the Bears would need to be off shitting in the woods.

246 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:51:04pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

Hang tough ECoaster.

247 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:51:23pm

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

For them to take 2nd, the Bears would need to be off shitting in the woods.

They will be......

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 6:55:02pm

Alrighty, out for the night. North Eastern Lizards, heads up, tails down. See ya in the AM if you still have power.

249 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:01:02pm

Are you ready for some football??
This is weird..I'll put up our first football page up 911.. The first game of the year...The 10 yr anniversary of 911. I'll never forget that day..We all have stories.. I hope we can share them that day for eternity..
Then.. It's football in America...

250 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:03:10pm

re: #244 HoosierHoops

Teddy..Perhaps the greatest hitter of all time ( Sans Steroids era)
Before he retired he won another batting title hitting .388
Three effen Eighty Eight as an old guy..
I remember watching a special on him years ago..And he was a split personality..Was a terrible dad and husband.. Great player..
His last at bat in the Majors The pitcher threw a fastball past him..Damn he said I just missed that.. I'll bet he throws the same pitch again..
He hit the next pitch out of the park for his final at-bat.. After he retired he became close to his son and daughter and really grew as a man..

Teddy baseball. My dad was a St.Louis/Yankees fan, so of course I rooted for the Red Sox. Hated the Damn Yankees. And St. Louis so we wouldn't beat on each other. I loved Bob Gibson, Carl Yastrzremski, and Stan Musial. Maybe the greatest pure hitter of his generation.

251 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:03:35pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

Are you ready for some football??
This is weird..I'll put up our first football page up 911.. The first game of the year...The 10 yr anniversary of 911. I'll never forget that day..We all have stories.. I hope we can share them that day for eternity..
Then.. It's football in America...

Damn, guy, it's been football in Canada since May.

Yah, 911 is an important day.

252 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:04:23pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

The east river has crested the banks

[Link: yfrog.com...]

They're calling it a fake.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

253 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:07:33pm

re: #252 JasonA

They're calling it a fake.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

omg, fuck the "news" or twitter, or whatever our "information" portal.

254 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:10:24pm

So I took our X5 in to the dealer, as it's almost at the end of its lease and we paid an extra 300 a month for the last three years to pay off the last car we traded in for it. They'll forgive the extra 25,000 miles we put on it, the four run-flat tires($1500) and the assorted dings one gets when one owns a car (oh, and the cracked windshield)...but it'll still run us 900+ a month for the new X5 (though it is a diesel and it drives like a dream).

So, on my way home I stopped at a GM dealership (I usually don't look at US cars because after three years they fall apart like a Santorum campaign...they didn't used to be like that, but they are now). Anyway, I really liked the GM Sierra crew cab pickup - 33000 after 5k rebate, throw a shell over the bed and it'll look just like an SUV with a divider. And it has a 5.3 liter V-8 which was quite responsive on the highway (though the X5 diesel gets an extra 10mpg)...I could buy an American 4WD vehicle and only pay 600 a month - even after paying the 6k penalty for giving up the X5...decisions, decisions.

Incidentally, while I was writing this the dealer just called and offered to knock another 3,000 off to make it 841 a month but we have to put 6300 down instead of 5000.

255 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:12:29pm

re: #251 b_sharp

Damn, guy. It's been football in Canada since May.

Yah, 911 is an important day.

That Tuesday morning I got into work late.. I had a little cube in Silly Cone Valley and everybody was in Conference rooms watching NBC news..
I got coffee and really had no idea until people started coming by my cube..I spent most of the day in a Conference room watching the big screen.. I was in Complete Shock that day..
Remember..That is when we got our first crawls on the News.. CNN and Fox have had crawls on the bottom of the screen ever since that day..

256 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:12:36pm

Daily News says that the East River isn't cresting:

nydailynews New York Daily News
Hey, everyone asking us if the East River is cresting - no, at this time, it is not. It's a rumor. #Hurricane #Irene bit.ly/ptepAT
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

257 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:16:20pm

[Link: www.earthcam.com...] - live cam of ground zero. 7wtc is in the center background, with 1wtc to the left (post office to the right).

258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:16:20pm

re: #254 darthstar

So I took our X5 in to the dealer, as it's almost at the end of its lease and we paid an extra 300 a month for the last three years to pay off the last car we traded in for it. They'll forgive the extra 25,000 miles we put on it, the four run-flat tires($1500) and the assorted dings one gets when one owns a car (oh, and the cracked windshield)...but it'll still run us 900+ a month for the new X5 (though it is a diesel and it drives like a dream).

So, on my way home I stopped at a GM dealership (I usually don't look at US cars because after three years they fall apart like a Santorum campaign...they didn't used to be like that, but they are now). Anyway, I really liked the GM Sierra crew cab pickup - 33000 after 5k rebate, throw a shell over the bed and it'll look just like an SUV with a divider. And it has a 5.3 liter V-8 which was quite responsive on the highway (though the X5 diesel gets an extra 10mpg)...I could buy an American 4WD vehicle and only pay 600 a month - even after paying the 6k penalty for giving up the X5...decisions, decisions.

Incidentally, while I was writing this the dealer just called and offered to knock another 3,000 off to make it 841 a month but we have to put 6300 down instead of 5000.

How about an XC90? [Link: www.volvocars.com...]

259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:17:57pm

re: #255 HoosierHoops

That Tuesday morning I got into work late.. I had a little cube in Silly Cone Valley and everybody was in Conference rooms watching NBC news..
I got coffee and really had no idea until people started coming by my cube..I spent most of the day in a Conference room watching the big screen.. I was in Complete Shock that day..
Remember..That is when we got our first crawls on the News.. CNN and Fox have had crawls on the bottom of the screen ever since that day..

Re the news, I paged this yesterday: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:18:18pm

re: #255 HoosierHoops

You reminded me...

Stephen King has a wonderful short story called "The Things They Left Behind". About a half hour read; I plan on re-reading it on the Anniversary.

261 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:19:12pm

re: #254 darthstar

Nothing, nothing compares to a BMW. Price though....

262 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:19:16pm

re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How about an XC90? [Link: www.volvocars.com...]

We liked the Volvo when we first started looking for an SUV about 5 years ago...but the six cylinder was so unresponsive and the XC70 wagon we nicknamed the "Screw the passengers" because of lack of legroom. Maybe it's time to look again...it's been five years...people change, so can cars. Thanks for the suggestion.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:19:17pm

re: #257 lawhawk

BTW? Lawhawk? Don't be a hero; don't be a fool with your life.

264 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:20:19pm

re: #261 Stanley Sea

Nothing, nothing compares to a BMW. Price though...

They are nice to drive. Go test drive the X5 diesel - just because it fucking kicks ass - I went 0 to 80 in no time....flat.

265 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:21:24pm

Holy Effin Shit


If your power is out, expect to remain without power for 1-2 weeks. #vairene #poweroutage
VDEM 6 mins

266 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:22:30pm

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm about as safe I can be under the circumstances. At home - northern NJ and so far just lots of rain. That'll be changing as the winds pick up, but it's the best I can do.

267 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:22:38pm

re: #265 JasonA

Holy Effin Shit

If your power is out, expect to remain without power for 1-2 weeks. #vairene #poweroutage
VDEM 6 mins

I'd trust Con-Ed before twitter.

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:23:28pm

re: #262 darthstar

NP. I'm just a Volvo nut. My next one will (someday) be an S60.

269 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:24:28pm

There are still cabs on the street. Nutjobs.

270 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:25:02pm

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

As Hurricane Irene bears down on the East Coast, news stations bombard our televisions with constant updates from the National Hurricane Center.

While Americans ought to prepare for the coming storm, federal dollars need not subsidize their preparations. Although it might sound outrageous, the truth is that the National Hurricane Center and its parent agency, the National Weather Service, are relics from America’s past that have actually outlived their usefulness.

271 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:25:55pm

re: #255 HoosierHoops

That Tuesday morning I got into work late.. I had a little cube in Silly Cone Valley and everybody was in Conference rooms watching NBC news..
I got coffee and really had no idea until people started coming by my cube..I spent most of the day in a Conference room watching the big screen.. I was in Complete Shock that day..
Remember..That is when we got our first crawls on the News.. CNN and Fox have had crawls on the bottom of the screen ever since that day..

My wife and I woke up to the radio telling us a plane had hit one of the towers, but they were unsure of what kind of plane. It sounded like it was a small single engine plane. Then we heard a second plane hit the towers, so we realized it wasn't an accident. As I drove her to work, more accurate information came out about the size of the planes. I got home and turned on the news and realized one tower was missing which caused me to suffer an anxiety attack and 'not the second one, not the second one' became a mantra I repeated over and over. As the second tower collapsed all I could think about were the people inside.

The only thing that somewhat relieved the anxiety was the reports of Canada receiving all of the airliners, and our F18s escorting many of them to the airports.

272 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:26:06pm
Today the NWS justifies itself on public interest grounds. It issues severe weather advisories and hijacks local radio and television stations to get the message out. It presumes that citizens do not pay attention to the weather and so it must force important, perhaps lifesaving, information upon them. A few seconds’ thought reveals how silly this is. The weather might be the subject people care most about on a daily basis. There is a very successful private TV channel dedicated to it, 24 hours a day, as well as any number of phone and PC apps. Americans need not be forced to turn over part of their earnings to support weather reporting.

lol

273 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:26:19pm

re: #267 darthstar

Dominion Power - 700k outages.

[Link: twitter.com...]

274 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:29:03pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

Image: facepalmjesus.jpg

275 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:29:06pm

Weirdest thing - while the East coast deals with a hurricane, there has been no wind here at all for the last couple of hours. We don't have many times where there is no wind.

276 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:29:46pm

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
Water levels in Atlantic City rising very rapidly. Now 3 feet above normal. 1.usa.gov/nlrR3N

277 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:29:56pm

re: #267 darthstar

I'd trust Con-Ed before twitter.

That's the Virginia Department of Emergency Management.

278 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:30:58pm

re: #274 JasonA

Image: facepalmjesus.jpg

I kept rechecking the URL thinking it must be a joke. It's beyond self parody.

279 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:31:01pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Americans need not be forced to turn over part of their earnings to support weather reporting.

Nate Silver: "NWS costs average American $3 per year."

280 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:31:34pm

re: #279 jaunte

Nate Silver: "NWS costs average American $3 per year."

Socialism!

281 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:32:05pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

Hey, we can just get our weather info from Fox News (who, apparently, get their weather info from the FUCKING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE!) Fucking morons (Fox, not the NWS)

282 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:32:21pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

"Them's my two beers!"

283 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:34:37pm

re: #276 jaunte

Expected flooding in NJ:
[Link: water.weather.gov...]

In Northern NJ, the Passaic River is looking to get gnarly.

284 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:34:55pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

OMG, the Derpularity is Near. Have they thought that the National Weather Service provides the information to the news outlets?

285 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:35:17pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

This is the nest of idiots that pays the editorialists (not a cache):

[Link: cei.org...]

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:36:16pm

re: #273 lawhawk

My son lives in Richmond. Says most of the city is dark. His house has power.

287 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:37:40pm

We just had our first rumble of thunder.. I hate that this thing is happening overnight... going to be a sleepless night at that..

288 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:37:54pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

I see they're in favor of styrofoam cups.

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:39:54pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

This is the nest of idiots that pays the editorialists (not a cache):

[Link: cei.org...]

A black man in a limo?!?!?! We must put an end to this!

290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:39:54pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

Cripes, these conned Fox dupes are so dumb and stupid, you can't even parody them with wingnut tags, anymore.

291 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:06pm

re: #287 lawhawk

We just had our first rumble of thunder.. I hate that this thing is happening overnight... going to be a sleepless night at that..

I can agree with that.

292 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:26pm

Alright, I'm going to be heading towards bed, with high winds and the shouts of the last idiots on the street to lull me to sleep.

293 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:30pm

re: #289 WindUpBird

A black man in a limo?!?!?! We must put an end to this!

And he's not driving!!1!!!

294 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:40pm

re: #289 WindUpBird

A black man in a limo?!?!?! We must put an end to this!

He's the driver dude, the driver.

295 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:52pm

re: #23 albusteve

one wonders why he was wetting the bed at 10yrs old...he was probably tormented his whole short life...makes my sick, and angry

Don't be so sure. Read "the bedwetter", by Sarah Silverman. She wasn't abused. She simply had a small bladder.

This kid, yeah. But bedwetters in general, maybe not.

296 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:40:52pm

re: #290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Cripes, these conned Fox dupes are so dumb and stupid, you can't even parody them with wingnut tags, anymore.

The idiocy is logarithmic!

297 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:41:27pm

Shorter Bloomberg conference: Don't be a dumb-ass.

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:41:32pm

re: #293 Decatur Deb

And he's not driving!!1!!!

FULL ALERT

I REPEAT FULL ALERT

299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:42:16pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

This is the nest of idiots that pays the editorialists (not a cache):

[Link: cei.org...]

Buncha confederates.

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:42:21pm

re: #292 Obdicut

Stay safe, Obdi.

301 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:42:49pm

re: #296 WindUpBird

The idiocy is logarithmic!

Derp now reads in Decibels!

302 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:43:29pm

re: #301 BigPapa

Derp now reads in Decibels!

FoxNews goes up to eleven.

303 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:44:00pm

re: #302 JasonA

FoxNews goes up to eleventy.

Fixed.

304 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:44:19pm

re: #301 BigPapa

Derp now reads in Decibels!

Five minutes of Fox blows my daily time-weighted average.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:44:35pm

re: #297 JasonA

Loved Chris Christie's "Get the hell off the beach!"

306 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:45:02pm

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Loved Chris Christie's "Get the hell off the beach!"

I wish he was a Democrat. Oh well.

307 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:46:01pm
Today the NWS justifies itself on public interest grounds. It issues severe weather advisories and hijacks local radio and television stations to get the message out. It presumes that citizens do not pay attention to the weather and so it must force important, perhaps lifesaving, information upon them. A few seconds’ thought reveals how silly this is. The weather might be the subject people care most about on a daily basis. There is a very successful private TV channel dedicated to it, 24 hours a day, as well as any number of phone and PC apps. Americans need not be forced to turn over part of their earnings to support weather reporting.

Translation: if you don't have cable, a PC, or a smartphone you don't really matter anyway so you don't need to know.

308 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:46:51pm

My day went bad faster than weather in New Jersey in the past hour.

309 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:47:31pm

Tornado confirmed in Lewes, DE.

Localized flooding (urban flooding) in parts of Queens.

310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:48:12pm

re: #295 lostlakehiker

Don't be so sure.

Why not?

These kinds of stories about f'ed up, killer parents should surprise no one. They make the news every day.

311 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:48:21pm

re: #309 lawhawk

Tornado confirmed in Lewes, DE.

Localized flooding (urban flooding) in parts of Queens.

And I just saw lightning here in Westchester. It's on like Donkey Kong.

312 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:49:05pm

Not that anyone should care, but:

I am trying to research a serviceable bike to buy on the cheap. Without going into too many details, let me just say that I have over 20 years of experience on line, ranging from all manner of BBS systems & FidoNet in ye olden days, to UFO forums, to Everything Is A Vast Sinister Conspiracy forums, to Your Preferred Computer Operating System Software Sucks And That Makes You A Terrible Person forums, to Rapture-Ready fundamentalist Christian wack-a-loon forums, to arguably Asperger Syndrome-dominated skeptics' forums, to embarrassing modern-day Post-Obama sites devoted to firearms.

Never in all my digital travels have I encountered a group as hostile, rancorous, and malevolent as the people who infest bicycle-oriented forums. I don't take it personally because it's the frigging Internet after all, but sheesh.

In case any of you are insane bicycle afficionados: I plan to buy a cheap bike which will cost far less than $1500, and I fully intend never to buy special aerodynamic pants that you are so fond of.

There. I hope that gave you a stroke.

313 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:49:15pm

re: #309 lawhawk

This is gonna suck.

314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:50:54pm

re: #312 negativ

That's hilarious. People, oy.

315 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:51:22pm

Evacuate? Not Us.

Residents in Rockaway, Queens, battened down the hatches and stocked up on provisions as Hurricane Irene approached, ignoring a mandatory evacuation order.

316 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:51:53pm

In case any NY lizards haven't seen it yet, here's ConEd's page for outages.

[Link: apps.coned.com...]

317 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:52:07pm

re: #294 Stanley Sea

He's the driver dude, the driver.

I'd give a lot to see the President order up an unmarried USSS driver named 'Daisy'.

318 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:53:10pm

re: #312 negativ

Talk to Wrenchwench.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:54:05pm

re: #315 jaunte

"notafinga!"

Take a sharpie and write your fucking social security number on your arm and torso, dumbass.

320 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:55:22pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Or this...

[Video]
I think it's a better song but maybe that's just me

It had to happen.

321 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:56:25pm

re: #310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Why not?

These kinds of stories about f'ed up, killer parents should surprise no one. They make the news every day.

Please read the pencil-corrected post.

322 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:57:58pm

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"notafinga!"

Take a sharpie and write your fucking social security number on your arm and torso, dumbass.

Too lazy/stupid/dependent on gubbmint to hop in your Land Rover and go sit out the hurricane in the Poconos!

Immoral! Deserves to floaaaaaaat!

323 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:58:42pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Hurricane? Fox news leaps into action to abolish the National Weather Service (Not the onion)
Do We Really Need a National Weather Service?

This is nothing more than another attack against NOAA and climate science this time by FOX and the CEI.

324 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:59:47pm

re: #321 lostlakehiker

Please read the pencil-corrected post.

Read it. My post stands as is, thx.

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:02:01pm

re: #322 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

These were dumbasses who could leave. Think a twelve pack's gonna save them.

Notafinga.

Screw 'em.

326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:03:06pm

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

These were dumbasses who could leave.

According to...?

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:04:34pm

re: #326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Did you watch the video?

328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:05:20pm

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you watch the video?

I did.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:06:22pm

re: #328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They appeared to you not have the ability to leave?

330 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:06:43pm

re: #316 JasonA

PSEG has an outage page
, and apps for smartphones. (NJ mostly)

LIPA:
[Link: www.lipower.org...]

331 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:07:32pm

OT-Paul McCartney on SNL rerun tonight! Worth watching just for that.

332 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:08:41pm

That video tells me that we may need to revisit our system for ranking these things. Calling it a Cat 1 seems to be lulling some into a false sense of security.

I would like to reiterate my idea for naming these storms after violent figures from our past. Hurricane Torquemada. Hurricane Bathory. Hurricane Xerxes. People would get the hell out of the way of those...

333 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:09:32pm

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They appeared to you not have the ability to leave?

A 5 second clip of a person tells you zero about their ability to leave.

But I guess you're right with the morality trip: that $9.99 for a 12 pack of Bud could easily have gone to 3 gallons of gas to put in a Hertz rental for that indefinite stay in the Poconos. ///

334 freetoken  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:09:46pm

re: #323 b_sharp

This is nothing more than another attack against NOAA and climate science this time by FOX and the CEI.

Yes, the authors are just CEI shills.

Which is exactly why Fox runs the piece.

335 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:10:05pm

re: #332 JasonA

I remember that front wheel drive Oldsmobile Torquemada.

336 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:10:25pm

re: #333 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

A 5 second clip of a person tells you zero about their ability to leave.

But I guess you're right with the morality trip: that $9.99 for a 12 pack of Bud could easily have gone to 3 gallons of gas to put in a Hertz rental for that indefinite stay in the Poconos. ///

Where the hell can you get three gallons for ten bucks?!?

337 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:11:43pm

re: #336 JasonA

Where the hell can you get three gallons for ten bucks?!?

Baja Alabama, but you wouldn't like the deli.

338 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:12:27pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Baja Alabama, but you wouldn't like the deli.

At least they have a deli...

339 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:12:40pm

Looks like most people are staying put.

Evidence that the mayor’s warnings may go unheeded could be seen in the lights on in Coney Island high-rise apartments across the street from where Bloomberg held his news conference.

“I got the sense that people felt safe to stay,” said Councilman Mike Nelson, who represents neighboring Brighton Beach. Most of these residents have remained in their homes, he said.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

340 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:13:35pm

So Rick Perry holds a huge prayer rally and we get the rain... how the hell does that work?

341 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:13:48pm

re: #335 jaunte

I remember that front wheel drive Oldsmobile Torquemada.

You are just too witty by half.

342 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:15:11pm

re: #339 jaunte

24 hours will fix that problem for the next one.

343 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:15:59pm

re: #338 JasonA

At least they have a deli...

We get Boar's Head, and learn to like it.

344 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:16:20pm
345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:16:32pm

re: #332 JasonA

That video tells me that we may need to revisit our system for ranking these things. Calling it a Cat 1 seems to be lulling some into a false sense of security.

I would like to reiterate my idea for naming these storms after violent figures from our past. Hurricane Torquemada. Hurricane Bathory. Hurricane Xerxes. People would get the hell out of the way of those...

Hey now there's an idea.

But then, we've seen the exact opposite, too...the presumption that any concern about the hurricane "buys into hype" or something like that. To me, it really just comes down to where someone is economically.

Rent and bills are due on Thursday, school just started so that's a bunch of $ gone to new clothes/shoes/school supplies; if you're in college/grad school and financial aid hasn't come in yet, you are poor as the dickens right now and then some (unless you're living on daddy's money under the table in which case daddy's money will help you evacuate); if you're taking care of elderly parents, that's their meds and care and gd help you if you have to transport them; the list goes on.

Any of the above situations could apply to the people shown in the video. Or, FBV could be right and they're all just lazy, stupid, drunken slackers. Impossible to say.

346 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:16:40pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

We get Boar's Head, and learn to like it.

Do you call them hoagies, heroes, wedges, or grinders?

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:17:02pm

re: #333 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nice. Morality trip. That's me.

The old folks at the home in Atlantic City who are refusing to go to safety are being offered shelter and transportation. I think that help getting out is being offered to those folks also.

But, they won't hesitate to scream to have the National Guard risk their lives come and bail them out. Their families will go ballistic if help is required and none comes.

Perhaps I am out of line to think that staying in a hurricane during a mandatory evacuation and expecting to be saved if you made a stupid decision is just not okay.

Sorry if I'm not sensitive.

348 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:17:38pm

Irene will have disproportionately large surge for being a Cat 1.

349 Atlas Fails  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:17:56pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

We get Boar's Head, and learn to like it.

Boar's Head radio ads in Pittsburgh are awesome for lulz.

350 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:18:00pm

re: #335 jaunte

I remember that front wheel drive Oldsmobile Torquemada.

I hear the one with the 455 had category 5 torque.

351 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:18:03pm

re: #336 JasonA

Where the hell can you get three gallons for ten bucks?!?

Not in my city - it's $4.29 in my neighborhood. But everywhere else in the country is usually at least a dollar cheaper than SF/LA or HI.

352 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:18:50pm

re: #346 JasonA

Do you call them hoagies, heroes, wedges, or grinders?

Subs, as in 'Subway'. We're firmly in the United States of Generica.

353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:19:31pm

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice. Morality trip. That's me.

The old folks at the home in Atlantic City who are refusing to go to safety are being offered shelter and transportation. I think that help getting out is being offered to those folks also.

But, they won't hesitate to scream to have the National Guard risk their lives come and bail them out. Their families will go ballistic if help is required and none comes.

Perhaps I am out of line to think that staying in a hurricane during a mandatory evacuation and expecting to be saved if you made a stupid decision is just not okay.

Sorry if I'm not sensitive.

Sensitivity isn't required. Just thinking through reasons, some not so stupid, why people might not evacuate. There are a lot of them. We just don't know their situations from the information given.

354 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:20:35pm

re: #349 Atlas Fails

Boar's Head radio ads in Pittsburgh are awesome for lulz.

Ghost of Rege Cordick, maybe.

355 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:21:46pm

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice. Morality trip. That's me.

The old folks at the home in Atlantic City who are refusing to go to safety are being offered shelter and transportation. I think that help getting out is being offered to those folks also.

But, they won't hesitate to scream to have the National Guard risk their lives come and bail them out. Their families will go ballistic if help is required and none comes.

Perhaps I am out of line to think that staying in a hurricane during a mandatory evacuation and expecting to be saved if you made a stupid decision is just not okay.

Sorry if I'm not sensitive.

There is definitely 2 sides to these scenarios. Or maybe 15 sides. Really as with any "event" you can't really visualize how you will react until you are actually faced with it.

People can be stupid: the ones on the beach, behind the weather reporter etc. I'm gonna reserve judgement.

356 Mocking Jay  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:21:56pm

re: #353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sensitivity isn't required. Just thinking through reasons, some not so stupid, why people might not evacuate. There are a lot of them. We just don't know their situations from the information given.

I can definitely understand the reasoning for a storeowner.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:25:24pm

re: #345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sorry if I left that impression; that is not what I meant at all. I got the sense (from the video) that it was apathy. They thought it was no big deal and were ready to "ride it out".

One of the guys being interviewed (I'm paraphrasing), "If it was going to be more than a Cat 1, I'd probably take my mom and leave. But I've got food, water. cigarettes, and liquor."

I just don't want a rescue worker to risk life and limb to save someone too "cool" to evacuate.

Wasn't free transportation to shelters offered? How much rent to shelters charge?

358 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:26:50pm

re: #345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hey now there's an idea.

But then, we've seen the exact opposite, too...the presumption that any concern about the hurricane "buys into hype" or something like that. To me, it really just comes down to where someone is economically.

Rent and bills are due on Thursday, school just started so that's a bunch of $ gone to new clothes/shoes/school supplies; if you're in college/grad school and financial aid hasn't come in yet, you are poor as the dickens right now and then some (unless you're living on daddy's money under the table in which case daddy's money will help you evacuate); if you're taking care of elderly parents, that's their meds and care and gd help you if you have to transport them; the list goes on.

Any of the above situations could apply to the people shown in the video. Or, FBV could be right and they're all just lazy, stupid, drunken slackers. Impossible to say.

When they say evacuate Galveston, folk listen. The island has been inundated more than once, and the big one killed about a thousand people.

This one is objectively not all that dangerous, and riding it out may well be a logical choice.

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:26:52pm

re: #353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

All the same. If they're trapped on their roofs? They want to be saved. A Governor (or President) who won't send someone into harms way to save them is heartless.

360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:27:24pm

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The old folks at the home in Atlantic City who are refusing to go to safety are being offered shelter and transportation. I think that help getting out is being offered to those folks also.

Hmm, I bet there is more than one old folk's home in Atlantic City.

But, they won't hesitate to scream to have the National Guard risk their lives come and bail them out. Their families will go ballistic if help is required and none comes.

I guess you've never been in that situation. I was just in it up until around this time last year.

I went through sweating bullets every hurricane season for 5 years dealing with my father, who lived in hurricane country. Due to various reasons, I could not move to be there, nor move him out to where I was -- because of various ailments, he would not have made the trip. A LOT of people are in this boat.

Thanks to his and my mother's public schoolteacher's pension that are breaking the backs of every duped conservative in 2011 (next year it will be some other scapegoat), he was able to afford a decent assisted living center with a strong evacuation plan.

(This is WHY public employees take a salary cut and have money put away into pension plans in the first place.)

So it's not just the "National Guard" and the implied "government dependence" card that's at issue.

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:32:17pm

re: #360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Are you familiar about this story? CNN played it off as funny; just saw a bit a few minutes ago.

Folks live in a 13 story assisted living facility in Atlantic City.

They won't leave. Want to ride it out there.

Those poor "Life Alert" operators. Their phones are going to ring off the hooks tonight!

362 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:33:10pm

Ambrose Light Buoy (NY Harbor Approach)

Wind Direction (WDIR): ENE ( 70 deg true )
Wind Speed Wind Speed (WSPD): 29.1 kts
Wind Gust Wind Gust (GST): 36.9 kts
Wave Height Wave Height (WVHT): 9.5 ft

[Link: www.ndbc.noaa.gov...]

363 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:33:57pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry if I left that impression; that is not what I meant at all. I got the sense (from the video) that it was apathy. They thought it was no big deal and were ready to "ride it out".

One of the guys being interviewed (I'm paraphrasing), "If it was going to be more than a Cat 1, I'd probably take my mom and leave. But I've got food, water. cigarettes, and liquor."

I just don't want a rescue worker to risk life and limb to save someone too "cool" to evacuate.

That's understandable. But I kind of took it at face value - some 5 second edited clips...who knows what or was not left out.

Wasn't free transportation to shelters offered?

Dunno - I suppose it depends on the municipality, and their priorities. Hard to tell.

How much rent to shelters charge?

What if you're on a fixed income and cannot afford one penny more in incidentals? Stay at home for a Cat 1 or go to a shelter and risk not being able to pay expenses for September. Get out the Sharpie and stfu, right?

This is what some people who don't evacuate deal with. But that's just one hypothetical.

364 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:34:02pm

re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All the same. If they're trapped on their roofs? They want to be saved. A Governor (or President) who won't send someone into harms way to save them is heartless.

A gov who WILL send rescue workers to their likely death on a fool's mission is brainless. And heartless. Brainless because the mission will fail, and heartless because rescue workers' lives also ought to count for something.

The peak of a hurricane is no time to go out in a rubber raft or a helicopter.

People have got to understand and believe. There WILL BE NO RESCUE. It will not be, for it cannot be. After the storm passes and it's feasible to put rescue workers back to work, maybe there will be a rescue. But by then, you don't likely need one.

365 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:37:58pm

"You are mad, quite mad." (The Thief of Baghdad)

Words to live by.

G'night.

366 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:38:45pm

Somebody on Wunderground found this:

NyanCat to the Rescue!

367 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:39:39pm

re: #336 JasonA

Where the hell can you get three gallons for ten bucks?!?

OK, 2.7 gallons. Nitpicker.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:40:52pm

re: #367 lostlakehiker

(I paid 2.24 today)

369 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:42:18pm

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(I paid 2.24 today)

For gasoline?!?

370 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:42:56pm

re: #369 Gus 802

For a gasoline?!?

"a"!?!?!

//

371 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:28pm

re: #370 sattv4u2

"a"!?!?!

//

Thanks, but I already removed that.

372 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:33pm

re: #344 jaunte

You've seen his aim.
Image: 2011-08-22-http--iamthearbiter.com-wp-content-uplo ads-gov-rick-perr-govrickperrygun240jdf0428101.jpg

Note that the smoke is coming from his hair.

373 Mr Pancakes  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:43pm

re: #370 sattv4u2

"a"!?!?!

//

The pencil beat ya

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:48pm

re: #369 Gus 802

For gasoline?!?

Yep. 87 octane.

375 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:54pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Thanks, but I already removed that.

was it painful?

376 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:43:59pm

Raining steadily here on LI. Winds picking up.

I actually fell asleep for a few hours earlier, so no doubt I'll be up for a while tonight. I can't wait for this to just be over with.

377 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:44:30pm

re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. 87 octane.

Wow. We're still paying close to 4 bucks here. Something like 3.89 or so. I gotta get out of this state.

378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:44:38pm

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hadn't seen that one, no. In a way I don't blame them; perhaps for some, they already know they are going to die there. Sorry to be morose, but I'm familiar with the decision-making of seniors in that situation...and that's the ones who are still with it, mentally.

If I was like my cousin who is the primary caretaker for her mother with dementia, I would probably wait it out, too (she's in the same area as my father was, so she deals with this every year, too.)

For people like me, we have to rely on administration and staff to make the right decision. I can tell you from experience, it's no fun having to make that decision in a mandatory-but-not-life-threatening, impending hurricane situation from a distance.

After all, it's not like we can book an $800 no-advance-notice flight and fly in to the hurricane-closed-anyway airport, then get in our Hertz cars and drive our relatives to the Hampton Inn with in a 24/7 skilled home health nurse in tow. :)

379 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:45:01pm

re: #373 Mr Pancakes

The pencil beat ya

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays!

380 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:45:02pm

re: #212 EmmmieG

Okay, totally OT:

The people who want to be cryogenically frozen: Why?

This planet has enough people on it already, and unless you are Stephen Hawking and we have a way to cure you, why would we bother to thaw you out? They imagine that they are going to be brought back to life and made young again, or cured, or something, but why would anyone want to bring you back?

Everyone who knew you will be dead, and unless you had some incredible and unique talent, this planet has a lot of people already, and making more is cheap and not that hard.

I suppose I'm being mean, but I don't get it. Yeah, a comment in the news triggered this rant.

Great SciFi book, "Heads", by Greg Bear. A thinly fictionalized L Ron Hubbard is a corpsicle and by a twist of quantum physics they're able to read his mind. The thinly fictionalized scientologists try to murder the lab workers to prevent his dying secrets from being divulged.

And all this takes place on the moon. Absolute zero, time travel, mind reading, quantum Bose-Einstein condensates that think!

381 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:45:55pm

re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. 87 octane.

HOLD THE WEDDIN

$2.24

Don't you mean $3.24!?!?!

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:46:28pm

re: #363 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Perhaps I can use a better example.

Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed. Can I say "notafinga" to theirdumb asses? Please let me say "notafinga" to their dumb asses.

383 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:46:52pm

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perhaps I can use a better example.

Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed. Can I say "notafinga" to theirdumb asses? Please let me say "notafinga" to their dumb asses.

I got a finger for them!

384 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:47:18pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

HOLD THE WEDDIN

$2.24

Don't you mean $3.24!?!?!

Right. Now I'm wondering. Denver is right around 3.24.

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:48:46pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

HOLD THE WEDDIN

$2.24

Don't you mean $3.24!?!?!

oh. yeah.

386 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:48:55pm

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perhaps I can use a better example.

Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed. Can I say "notafinga" to theirdumb asses? Please let me say "notafinga" to their dumb asses.

No one is stopping you from saying whatever you want. I'm just saying we can't make many moral conclusions about people's situations from a few video clips a few seconds long.

Well maybe you can, but I don't think the video is a measure of much.

387 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:48:56pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Right. Now I'm wondering. Denver is right around 3.24.

Atlanta

Mid to high $3.30's in the burbs/ country
High $3.70s to high $3.80's in the city

[Link: www.atlantagasprices.com...]

388 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:49:09pm

re: #385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

oh. yeah.

:)

389 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:52:12pm

re: #387 sattv4u2

Atlanta

Mid to high $3.30's in the burbs/ country
High $370.s to high $3.80's in the city

[Link: www.atlantagasprices.com...]

You seem to have a 4-5 cent advantage over AL in your state taxes. We always tank up on your side of the border when driving home.

390 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perhaps I can use a better example.

Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed. Can I say "notafinga" to theirdumb asses? Please let me say "notafinga" to their dumb asses.

I am also fairly comfortable with you saying "Skwoojitzuflawn". As with "notafinga" I haven't the slightest idea what it might mean, if anything.

I strongly prefer "skwoojitzuflawn", however.

391 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:52:45pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Right. Now I'm wondering. Denver is right around 3.24.

re: #387 sattv4u2

Atlanta

Mid to high $3.30's in the burbs/ country
High $3.70s to high $3.80's in the city

[Link: www.atlantagasprices.com...]

Could be worse

Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96


Could be better

Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

392 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:53:09pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

You seem to have a 4-5 cent advantage over AL in your state taxes. We always tank up on your side of the border when driving home.

Beer and whiskey?

393 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:53:54pm

Eving Lizards.

394 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:53:55pm

re: #392 sattv4u2

Beer and whiskey?

Raceway pantherpiss.

395 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:54:16pm

re: #390 negativ

I am also fairly comfortable with you saying "Skwoojitzuflawn". As with "notafinga" I haven't the slightest idea what it might mean, if anything.

I strongly prefer "skwoojitzuflawn", however.

As in Not A Finger lifted to help them

Now ,, about "skwoojitzuflawn"???

396 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:54:28pm

re: #387 sattv4u2

It's raised from $2.49 to $3.59 in two weeks. Whuut.

397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:54:44pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

There is definitely 2 sides to these scenarios. Or maybe 15 sides. Really as with any "event" you can't really visualize how you will react until you are actually faced with it.

People can be stupid: the ones on the beach, behind the weather reporter etc. I'm gonna reserve judgement.

This happens every year, with people making all kinds of judgments on people in hurricane and tornado warnings, calling them stupid, lazy, etc. Especially ones in cities and rural areas, who already get that put on them anyway.

If in the situation, the same people would have a much different attitude about it. Sheltered living, feh.

398 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:56:48pm

'Nite, all. Good luck, N'Yawkers.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:57:28pm

re: #386 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

First, I'm not getting all this "jump on an 800 dollar flight and get in your hummer" stuff. Most of these folks have had free (even the poor can afford free) transportation and lodging (not a Hampton Inn, of course, but a high school gym is safer than in the low oxygen environment of underwater).

Second, I'm not getting "moral". I am saying if you make a personal choice to remain in harms way; please do not expect sympathy or rescue that puts another's life in danger.

But, if you are going to stay in harms way; please have the common decency to make your body identifiable.

Of course there are exceptions; but it is not a general rule.

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:58:54pm

re: #390 negativ

401 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:59:24pm

re: #395 sattv4u2

As in Not A Finger lifted to help them

Pity, isn't it, that you're barred from picking and choosing whom rescue workers should and should not help, isn't it.

This is real life, not an Ayn Rand theoretical scenario.

402 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 8:59:31pm

BTW, Be-frore anyone asks. Yes, I am shaked, rattled and rolled

drunk..

403 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:00:32pm

re: #402 Bubblehead II

I guessed that off the spelling. :P

405 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:06pm

re: #401 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Pity, isn't it, that you're barred from picking and choosing whom rescue workers should and should not help, isn't it.

This is real life, not an Ayn Rand theoretical scenario.

You do know that I was responding to #390 who didn't know what "notafinga" meant

You do know that, right?

406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:01:33pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First, I'm not getting all this "jump on an 800 dollar flight and get in your hummer" stuff. Most of these folks have had free (even the poor can afford free) transportation and lodging (not a Hampton Inn, of course, but a high school gym is safer than in the low oxygen environment of underwater).

The Superdome worked out very well for them, too, I heard. ///

Second, I'm not getting "moral". I am saying if you make a personal choice to remain in harms way; please do not expect sympathy or rescue that puts another's life in danger.

But, if you are going to stay in harms way; please have the common decency to make your body identifiable.

Of course there are exceptions; but it is not a general rule.

All I'm saying is, there is typically a lot more to those personal choices made than what come across in 5 second video clips.

407 laZardo  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:02:36pm

re: #404 jaunte

Every day the Shore crowd are not on the streets of Jersey is a good day.

408 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:02:59pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

You do know that I was responding to #390 who didn't know what "notafinga" meant

You do know that, right?

I was responding to that and your #383 which referenced your own finger for them.

Did you forget you said it? I didn't.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:03:57pm

re: #397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Especially ones in cities and rural areas, who already get that put on them anyway.

What areas are there other than cities and rural areas?

410 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:04:08pm

re: #407 laZardo

Every day the Shore crowd are not on the streets of Jersey is a good day.

Huh. Well there is that.

411 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:04:25pm

NYT Hurricane Irene Tracking Map
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:04:32pm

re: #407 laZardo

Every day the Shore crowd are not on the streets of Jersey is a good day.

Okay. That's fuckin' funny.

413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:04:34pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Especially ones in cities and rural areas, who already get that put on them anyway.

What areas are there other than cities and rural areas?

Suburbs, exurbs, those kinds of places.

414 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:05:50pm

Do urban people pick up the broken limbs and sticks in their yards?

415 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:06:58pm

re: #414 prairiefire

Do urban people pick up the broken limbs and sticks in their yards?

I imagine so, yes.

Those of us who have yards, anyway.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:07:06pm

re: #413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You really seem to have a serious disdain for the folks who don't live paycheck to paycheck. Only rural and city folks need apply for sainthood?

Well, if it makes you feel any better? I live paycheck to paycheck.

417 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:07:34pm

re: #408 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I was responding to your #383 which referenced your own finger for them.

Did you forget you said it? I didn't.

The THEM I "fingered' was Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed.

Or perhaps you think they should be applauded

On second thought, I give then Two Fingers Up!

418 laZardo  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:07:38pm

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You really seem to have a serious disdain for the folks who don't live paycheck to paycheck. Only rural and city folks need apply for sainthood?

Well, if it makes you feel any better? I live paycheck to paycheck.

I currently concur.

As it were.

/lol i rhymd

//but yeah i am technically doing that

419 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:08:18pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Especially ones in cities and rural areas, who already get that put on them anyway.

What areas are there other than cities and rural areas?

Australia's outback

420 laZardo  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:08:46pm

re: #419 sattv4u2

Australia's outback

Australia is already a deathworld. O_O

/

421 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:08:55pm

re: #407 laZardo

Every day the Shore crowd are not on the streets of Jersey is a good day.

I'm wondering if this will kill Labor Day weekend business now. All told this is going to end up costing us billions.

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:09:09pm

re: #419 sattv4u2

Australia's outback

Cave dwellers?

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:10:25pm

This is goint nowhere at the speed of smell. G'night knuckleheads.

424 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:10:35pm

re: #422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cave dwellers?

Ator?

425 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:10:42pm

re: #422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cave dwellers?

Yup

I wouldn't mind being stuck in these caves

[Link: www.google.com...]

426 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:10:56pm

Whilel I still some have some sembalenence of cogniveve fuction. I will bid you all good night. Why I even logged in and posted is a mystry to me. Probably to say goodnifgt to my fellow lizards.

427 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:11:36pm

re: #418 laZardo

Do not get into credit card debt at this point. You're too young, you actually do not deserve shiny new things at 23% interest. I made that mistake for awhile in my 20's.

428 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:11:41pm

After the storm:

SWANSBORO, N.C. — The air inside the rooms at the Hampton Inn here is getting so thick, people are propping doors open with trash cans.

The power is out. The front doors are blocked with potted plants and floor mats to keep the storm out.

People have run out of magazines to read and cigarettes to smoke. The noise from the kids ripping down the hallways is starting to get on a few people’s nerves.
...
Irene, big and wet, was not leaving as fast as people had thought.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

429 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:13:14pm

re: #428 jaunte

After the storm:

I've never seen such human suffering!

//

430 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:14:04pm

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You really seem to have a serious disdain for the folks who don't live paycheck to paycheck.

How do you know I'm not one myself? Are you presuming?

Only rural and city folks need apply for sainthood?

Well, if it makes you feel any better? I live paycheck to paycheck.

Well, this has nothing to do with anyone's feelings, certainly not mine. I'm only saying there are often cost/benefit reasons why people can't just up and leave in a Cat 1 hurricane threat. You've suggested that the people in the video appear able to leave. No one knows that from the information given. Appearances tell us nothing.

431 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:14:22pm

re: #428 jaunte

People have run out of magazines to read and cigarettes to smoke.

NEVAH FURGHET!

432 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:15:10pm

re: #431 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

People have run out of magazines to read and cigarettes to smoke.

DOOMED... to make conversation.

433 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:15:46pm

re: #425 sattv4u2

Yup

I wouldn't mind being stuck in these caves

[Link: www.google.com...]

Testosterone fueled! I saw an old friend from grade school tonight. She is a liberal and we pissed off the Republican family at the next table pretty quickly. I said "Moveon.Org" and "John Kerry" rather loudly and from there on out there seemed to be sullen glares and stares in our direction.

434 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:15:53pm

re: #431 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


People have run out of magazines to read and cigarettes to smoke.

NEVAH FURGHET!

Now I know where I went wrong all those years ago

I was reading the cigarettes and smoking the magazines


DOH !!

435 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:16:24pm

BBIAB

Clients beckon

436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:17:01pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

The THEM I "fingered' was Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed.

Or perhaps you think they should be applauded

On second thought, I give then Two Fingers Up!

I think your outrage over some clips in a NYT video and what I'm saying about it is hilarious.

437 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:17:47pm

re: #425 sattv4u2

Yup

I wouldn't mind being stuck in these caves

[Link: [Link: www.google.com...]...]

Can't stop collecting!
[Link: www.zombieapocalypseblog.com...]

438 Kragar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:18:29pm

re: #432 jaunte

DOOMED... to make conversation.

A deathly uncomfortable fidgeting overtook them all.

439 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:18:59pm

re: #437 jaunte

Link messed up.

440 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:19:26pm

re: #439 Gus 802

I used pencil.

441 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:21:19pm

re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think your outrage over some clips in a NYT video and what I'm saying about it is hilarious.

ummm,,, errrr,,, where is my "outrage"

You seem to be getting your posters confusseld!

442 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:22:15pm

re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think your outrage over some clips in a NYT video and what I'm saying about it is hilarious.

ESPECIALLY seeing that I never viewed "some clips in a NYT video"

443 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:23:35pm

re: #441 sattv4u2

ummm,,, errr,,, where is my "outrage"

You seem to be getting your posters confusseld!

Nope, talking directly to you. There's no confusion on my end about all that ceaseless rage. I think it's funny.

444 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:24:37pm

re: #440 jaunte

I used pencil.

Ah. It's the night of the pencil!

445 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:24:59pm

Hi all! This is a rare Sat. Night.. I did not go out..Watching Football..
How are you guys/girls?
Why is Houston kicking the shit out of SF tonight? Houston has been building their team for the last 5 years to beat Peyton Manning.. And they are close.. The 49ers are just victims along the way..
Yes it's true..When you are a GM in the AFC South you draft anybody on Defense to beat Peyton.. Houston just rolled the 49ers.. Defense...

446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:25:21pm

re: #442 sattv4u2

re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

ESPECIALLY seeing that I never viewed "some clips in a NYT video"

Uh-huh. So you're giving multiple fingers to people you don't even know about.

Figures.

Do you know what video FBV linked, that we're talking about? If not, why not?

447 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:26:02pm

Damn noisy around me tonight.

448 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:26:11pm

re: #445 HoosierHoops

Hi all! This is a rare Sat. Night.. I did not go out..Watching Football..
How are you guys/girls?

Hey HH - was checking email for some music clips...did you send?

449 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:28:34pm

Hurricane on location at Wordpress:

Vacation with Irene: It’s still worth it
Image: tsfam_web.jpg


Saturday Night On the ground: Times Square
Image: web-version-times-square.jpg

[Link: hurricaneonlocation.wordpress.com...]

450 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:28:47pm

Night folks. Time to get some shut-eye before things really pick up.

451 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:29:32pm

re: #446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Uh-huh. So you're giving multiple fingers to people you don't even know about.

Figures.

Do you know what video FBV linked, that we're talking about? If not, why not?

Try to pay attention. I know that chip on your shoulder often obscures your view

FBV stated Those idiots who go surfing in a hurricane after the beaches are closed.

I don't have to "know them" to have disdain for them, seeing it will be some poor rescue worker that has to risk HIS/HER life to save the putz. (hence, giving them the finger)

452 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:32:10pm

California Avenue, Atlantic City, Flooded:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
Jose Germosen photo

453 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:33:13pm

re: #451 sattv4u2

I don't have to "know them" to have disdain for them,

Kneejerk reaction, based in manufactured outrgage.

Typical. rotfl this is why I enjoy your posts.

454 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:33:37pm

re: #450 oaktree

Night folks. Time to get some shut-eye before things really pick up.

Stay safe!

455 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:35:25pm

re: #448 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hey HH - was checking email for some music clips...did you send?

I don't think we have linked up yet...Like Steve has said..I'm just an amateur player.. But I would be happy to send you tracks of me playing..
I'm not that good really..I'm old school strat player

456 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:37:29pm

re: #451 sattv4u2

Try to pay attention. I know that chip on your shoulder often obscures your view

Yeah, I already know about your ridiculous, pent-up social resentments about some things I say that you don't agree with.

That's standard fare, while on the internet.

457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:38:02pm

re: #455 HoosierHoops

Whenever you get a chance, I'd love to take a listen.

458 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:39:07pm

A bad day as a reporter:

459 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:39:30pm

re: #453 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Kneejerk reaction, based in manufactured outrgage.

Typical. rotfl this is why I enjoy your posts.

Remind me again who was making fun of photos of people at Wal Mart?

460 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:40:18pm

re: #456 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I already know about your ridiculous, pent-up social resentments about some things I say that you don't agree with.

That's standard fare, while on the internet.

shhhh,,, I have a hot flash for you

I'm this way 24/7 ,,, have been even before there was an 'internet"

shhhhhhh

461 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:40:50pm

re: #459 sattv4u2

Remind me again who was making fun of photos of people at Wal Mart?

If that's an accusation, why not just make it straight out?

462 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:41:44pm

re: #458 jaunte

What the hell is that foam?

463 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:42:26pm

re: #462 prairiefire

What the hell is that foam?

Sea foam.

464 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:00pm

re: #462 prairiefire

The caption says:
"The foam is often a toxic mix of pollution and cyanobacteria."
Unconfirmed.

465 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:01pm

re: #458 jaunte

Organic matter? From NJ?

466 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:20pm

Sea foam, ocean foam, beach foam, or spume is a type of foam created by the agitation of seawater, particularly when it contains higher concentrations of dissolved organic matter (including proteins, lignins, and lipids)[1] derived from sources such as the offshore breakdown of algal blooms. These compounds can act as surfactants or foaming agents. As the seawater is churned by breaking waves in the surf zone adjacent to the shore, the presence of these surfactants under these turbulent conditions traps air, forming persistent bubbles which stick to each other through surface tension. Due to its low density and persistence, foam can be blown by strong on-shore winds from the beachface inland onto sidewalks and streets.

467 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:29pm

re: #461 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

If that's an accusation, why not just make it straight out?

I can't

It's all those ridiculous, pent-up social resentments of mine!

468 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:32pm

re: #458 jaunte

A bad day as a reporter:

[Video]

Get the F@#k out of there!

469 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:47pm

"SeaWhip"™

470 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:43:57pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Sea foam, ocean foam, beach foam, or spume is a type of foam created by the agitation of seawater, particularly when it contains higher concentrations of dissolved organic matter (including proteins, lignins, and lipids)[1] derived from sources such as the offshore breakdown of algal blooms. These compounds can act as surfactants or foaming agents. As the seawater is churned by breaking waves in the surf zone adjacent to the shore, the presence of these surfactants under these turbulent conditions traps air, forming persistent bubbles which stick to each other through surface tension. Due to its low density and persistence, foam can be blown by strong on-shore winds from the beachface inland onto sidewalks and streets.

TOXIC!!!

471 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:46:45pm

re: #467 sattv4u2

I can't

You can't, because you know the accusation holds no water.

I haven't said anything about Walmart, let alone pictures of people who shop there. So you can go shove that shyt right back where it came out of, fella.

472 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:48:25pm

Current conditions in Atlantic City:

Humidity: 85 %
Wind Speed: E 23 G 33 MPH
Barometer: 29.18" (987.9 mb)
Dewpoint: 73 °F (23 °C)
Heat Index: 80 °F (27 °C)
Visibility: 3.00 mi.

473 laZardo  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:49:07pm

re: #427 prairiefire

Do not get into credit card debt at this point. You're too young, you actually do not deserve shiny new things at 23% interest. I made that mistake for awhile in my 20's.

My primary is a debit card, and I'm scrimping like Scrooge here.

The unfortunate fact is though that no credit history is as good as bad credit history. So I'm probably going to get a secured one with a $200-ish credit limit to start with sometime soon.

474 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:49:30pm
Perry’s travel, security costs will stay secret until after 2012

How much is this ever-present phalanx of state policemen costing the taxpayers of Texas? They won’t know at least until after next year’s presidential election, thanks to a provision, tucked into a school finance bill in July, that will keep the governor’s travel records sealed for 18 months.

Although security around public officials has been tightened considerably since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the secrecy that surrounds Perry’s travels is unique, according to Ken Bunting, executive director of the Missouri-based National Freedom of Information Coalition.

"The Gubmint spends so much, I can't afford to tell you."

475 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:50:57pm

re: #457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Whenever you get a chance, I'd love to take a listen.

You can't google these words

Em vamp
When I think of all those nights
All those games we played
All those times I tried to leave
But all those times I stayed
I still hear your laughter
and it cuts me like a blade
I'm living on a thin line
It's a thin line
Between what is a what is not
It's a thin Line
Between what you need
And what you got...

It's a Thin line

When it comes to lovers
You were the finest in the world
Moon light through your Window
Left you shinning like a pearl
You illuminate the difference
Between a woman and a girl
It's a Thin Line

It's a Thin line
Between what is and what is not
It's a Thin Line
Between what you need
And what you got
It's a thin line

476 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:51:16pm
477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:51:31pm

re: #467 sattv4u2

It's all those ridiculous, pent-up social resentments of mine!

You forgot to mention, ceaseless, endless, neverending, self-perpetuating, and coming close to caving in on themselves.

You're hilarious.

BTW, since you tried to divert the the topic we were on with some b.s. about Walmart photos, I'll just remind you, re: today's outrageous outrage of the hour. You cannot pick and choose who rescue workers should and should not rescue.

All your rage against dumb surfers in the Atlantic ocean, all the flipped fingers in the world; no amount of tantrums about old cliches about chips on shoulders, will ever change that. /Schadenfreude

478 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:51:38pm

re: #320 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It had to happen.

Priceless...I mean, you couldn't actually charge someone for that.

479 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:52:13pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Sea foam, ocean foam, beach foam, or spume is a type of foam created by the agitation of seawater, particularly when it contains higher concentrations of dissolved organic matter (including proteins, lignins, and lipids)[1] derived from sources such as the offshore breakdown of algal blooms. These compounds can act as surfactants or foaming agents. As the seawater is churned by breaking waves in the surf zone adjacent to the shore, the presence of these surfactants under these turbulent conditions traps air, forming persistent bubbles which stick to each other through surface tension. Due to its low density and persistence, foam can be blown by strong on-shore winds from the beachface inland onto sidewalks and streets.

Santorum foam.

480 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:52:52pm

re: #479 darthstar

Santorum foam.

"Seaman"

//

481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:53:26pm

re: #479 darthstar

Santorum foam.

He could be called "spume" for short. Though Frothy Mixture is working for a lot of people these days.

482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:54:40pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

Ooo nice!

I like this line

It's a Thin line
Between what is and what is not
It's a Thin Line
Between what you need
And what you got

Do you have a recording of that?

483 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:54:49pm

PZ Myers dissects Ann Coulter's creationist arguments:

Rats emboldened by Rick Perry

484 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:55:45pm

re: #473 laZardo

Buy a good lamp.

485 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:56:47pm

re: #481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He could be called "spume" for short. Though Frothy Mixture is working for a lot of people these days.

Like that newscaster, Brit Spume, from Fox?

486 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:58:44pm

It's late enough in the thread that going off topic is kosher---

The man who shot Giffords and killed a federal judge and others was the subject of considerable speculation here at the time. Was he a RW zealot, or was he plain and simple insane?

We now have more information. Yahoo news report

SAN DIEGO (AP) — The man accused in the Arizona shooting rampage kept himself awake for 50 hours straight after an appeals court stopped forced medication. He walked in circles until he developed sores and then declined antibiotics to treat an infected foot. Already thin, he stopped eating and shed nine pounds.

U.S. District Judge Larry Burns described Jared Lee Loughner's behavior to explain his refusal to overrule prison doctors who decided to resume forced medication July 18. The drugging, he said, "seems entirely appropriate and reasonable to me."

Loughner's attorneys argued unsuccessfully that a court should review whether the forcible medications could resume.

The ruling came in a three-hour pretrial hearing Friday that offered insights into Loughner's fragile condition at federal prison in Springfield, Mo., where he is on suicide watch.

Christina Pietz, a psychologist who is treating him at the prison, testified by phone that Loughner is "less psychotic" than in the past and that she is now more concerned about depression.

There's more; as always, best to read the original.

487 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:59:35pm

The Black Crowes:

488 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:02:06pm

re: #486 lostlakehiker

Let the fucker walk himself to death. He'll come to his senses soon enough. Seriously, the little bastard is gaming the system - working up his insanity defense. Let him run into walls for a few days, offer food every morning and night, put his water in a shatterproof bottle so he can decide if he wants to drink it or not, and otherwise leave him the fuck alone. He'll be sane by Tuesday.

489 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:03:32pm

re: #406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The Superdome worked out very well for them, too, I heard. ///

All I'm saying is, there is typically a lot more to those personal choices made than what come across in 5 second video clips.

The superdome worked out MUCH, MUCH better than dead, for almost everybody who was there.

Going for days without food, without toilets, in oppressive heat and with a touch of anarchy thrown in, is an inconvenience. Dead is final. A sense of perspective is in order.

490 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:04:01pm
491 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:04:41pm

re: #482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ooo nice! Do you have a recording of that?

Yes.. I will send you some of my music..
But really...I'm just OK having fun with the Lizards...I have played music my whole life.. If I was good I wouldn't be working 60 hours a week as an Admin.. I love music..Man..If I was good.. I'd be really happy..But only a few of us can be special.. I'm not even close..But I love playing Guitar and singing songs...

492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:05:19pm

re: #486 lostlakehiker

Damn those 9th Circuit Court overreach librul statists that wouldn't allow him to be forcibly medicated!!

Dirty hippies!

Seriously though, I wrote in a post at the time that he was a poster child for better mental health care in Phoenix. I still think that. Thx for the link, lostlakehiker.

493 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:05:24pm

re: #486 lostlakehiker

It's late enough in the thread that going off topic is kosher---

The man who shot Giffords and killed a federal judge and others was the subject of considerable speculation here at the time. Was he a RW zealot, or was he plain and simple insane?

We now have more information. Yahoo news report

There's more; as always, best to read the original.

Loughner is just plain crazy. It was the fault of no political figure or movement that he fixated on Gabby Giffords; His fixation was entirely irrational and the product of a deeply disturbed mind.

494 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:07:33pm

re: #491 HoosierHoops

Yes.. I will send you some of my music..
But really...I'm just OK having fun with the Lizards...I have played music my whole life.. If I was good I wouldn't be working 60 hours a week as an Admin.. I love music..Man..If I was good.. I'd be really happy..But only a few of us can be special.. I'm not even close..But I love playing Guitar and singing songs...

Not so!!!

You should hear some of the people I've gone to church with, for instance...bus drivers, mechanics, telephone operators, teachers, doctors, meter maids....come Sunday morning, they are pros.

So, no pressure, just whenever you like.

495 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:09:08pm

re: #492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

...better mental health care in Phoenix.

ETHE!

Tuscon

496 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:09:18pm

re: #488 darthstar

Let the fucker walk himself to death. He'll come to his senses soon enough. Seriously, the little bastard is gaming the system - working up his insanity defense. Let him run into walls for a few days, offer food every morning and night, put his water in a shatterproof bottle so he can decide if he wants to drink it or not, and otherwise leave him the fuck alone. He'll be sane by Tuesday.

Our law specifies that prisoners shall receive appropriate medical treatment, including psychiatric medical treatment. What you're proposing amounts to summary execution, if indeed he's insane.

I favor the death penalty when appropriate. That's rare, but his crimes make the grade if he's sane. But first there must be a fair trial. At trial, the jury, not bloggers, will decide whether he's gaming the system or genuinely insane.

The court, not an angry public, will determine what sort of medical attention he needs to see that he doesn't "cheat the gallows."

498 McSpiff  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:12:25pm

re: #497 Gus 802

Going with a Canadian theme.

499 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:13:45pm

re: #489 lostlakehiker

A sense of perspective is in order.

Isn't it, though.

Take a look at the short video we were talking about. You'll see what that last sentence in #406 was referring to.

500 McSpiff  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:14:29pm

re: #498 McSpiff

[Video]Going with a Canadian theme.

One more track from Stan, Bluenose.

501 laZardo  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:14:32pm

re: #484 prairiefire

Buy a good lamp.

Maybe I can design one.

/it's my major

//not that yours wasn't good advice. ;p

502 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:17:05pm

CNN, which I seldom watch otherwise, actually has very good coverage of Hurricane Irene.
More important recent items: FEMA has issued a red alert for failure of the Saint Mary's Lake dam in Maryland. This means failure is imminent and people in the affected area should leave at once.
Tides will be 6 feet or more above normal in the bite south of Manhattan. This includes Staten Island and the Perth-Amboy area of Jersey. The tides are already at a peak there because of astronomical factors.

503 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:17:43pm

re: #488 darthstar

Let the fucker walk himself to death. He'll come to his senses soon enough. Seriously, the little bastard is gaming the system - working up his insanity defense. Let him run into walls for a few days, offer food every morning and night, put his water in a shatterproof bottle so he can decide if he wants to drink it or not, and otherwise leave him the fuck alone. He'll be sane by Tuesday.

I'm sorry, but I cannot concur. Everything we've seen out of this man says that he is insane. His actions, looked at as a whole, are not the actions of a sane person. He's not following a game plan like Anders Brevik, he's just be pulled around by his delusions.

I wish he were sane, because I don't like the idea of him being found not guilty by reason of insanity. But if he truly is legally insane, then that is the only acceptable verdict. Justice must be done, painful though it may be.

504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:18:18pm

re: #460 sattv4u2

shhh,,, I have a hot flash for you

I'm this way 24/7 ,,, have been even before there was an 'internet"

shhh

Breaking: There are people on the internet you'll meet from time to time, who are bound to set you off, regardless of what you're like offline. This is the way the ball bounces.

This newsflash has been brought to you by Anxiety Management, 20,000 Mg Tablets.

505 darthstar  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:18:20pm

Hey everyone...did you hear that? There it is again! No? It's the sound of my bed calling me...You really can't hear it? Well, I can, and that's all that matters right now...good night.

Remember: Tornadoes suck. Hurricanes blow.

506 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:18:37pm

re: #489 lostlakehiker

How about from the perspective of "Oh, thanks for the rally to try to save me, Big Government!" What with all the relief at the expense of the Coast Guard and National Guard. We have a very proficiently run government emergency relief system combined with the Red Cross. Geez. Try to be helpful.

507 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:19:41pm

re: #498 McSpiff

[Video]Going with a Canadian theme.

(1/4) Air Canada Flight 797

508 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:19:43pm

St. Mary's Lake dam is likely to fail.
Sigh.

509 3CPO  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:20:44pm

re: #469 jaunte

"SeaWhip"™

"It's a floor wax!"

"It's an ocean topping!"

510 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:21:22pm

@adambonin:
I just don't want #irene to hit us so hard that Sean Penn shows up.

511 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:21:40pm

Otis Redding "Hard To Handle":

512 McSpiff  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:22:28pm

re: #507 Gus 802

(1/4) Air Canada Flight 797

[Video]

Sad eh? Lost a real amazing talent.

513 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:22:31pm

re: #503 Dark_Falcon

But if he truly is legally insane, then that is the only acceptable verdict.

Or another way of putting it: if he is truly legally insane, this is why the ruling exists in the first place...for those cases that are.

I don't think we'll have to worry about the likes of a twinkie defense coming out of Judy Clarke.

Eric Rudolph is in my on-one-hand list of people I actively hate, including Daffy. But she got him life instead of the death penalty...I think we can expect the more of the same for Loughner, fbofw.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:25:01pm

re: #212 EmmmieG

Okay, totally OT:

The people who want to be cryogenically frozen: Why?

This planet has enough people on it already, and unless you are Stephen Hawking and we have a way to cure you, why would we bother to thaw you out? They imagine that they are going to be brought back to life and made young again, or cured, or something, but why would anyone want to bring you back?

Everyone who knew you will be dead, and unless you had some incredible and unique talent, this planet has a lot of people already, and making more is cheap and not that hard.

I suppose I'm being mean, but I don't get it. Yeah, a comment in the news triggered this rant.

I really don't know. I don't want to die, but I am OK with the fact that I will someday have to.

There's a Star Trek Next Generation episode, where the Enterprise finds a bunch of cryogenically frozen people floating in space and is able to fix and revive them. They're from about our time. One of them only agreed to do this stupid thing because his wife liked the idea, and he's not happy to be trapped in the future, with no connections or prospects.

516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:25:03pm

re: #507 Gus 802

Flight number reminded me of this:

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

517 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:25:08pm

re: #513 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or another way of putting it: if he is truly legally insane, this is why the ruling exists in the first place...for those cases that are.

I don't think we'll have to worry about the likes of a twinkie defense coming out of Judy Clarke.

Eric Rudolph is in my on-one-hand list of people I actively hate, including Daffy. But she got him life instead of the death penalty...I think we can expect the more of the same for Loughner, fbofw.

I don't think you and I actually disagree much where Loughner is concerned. We take different paths getting there, but we both honestly seek justice.

518 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:25:24pm

re: #514 Gus 802

Please, no sickly dogs.

519 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:26:59pm

re: #508 Varek Raith

St. Mary's Lake dam is likely to fail.
Sigh.

Is this by a National Monument?

520 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:27:04pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Second, I'm not getting "moral". I am saying if you make a personal choice to remain in harms way; please do not expect sympathy or rescue that puts another's life in danger.

Sympathy, I'll offer.

But a rescue crew cannot go out in certain conditions, they just can't.

521 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:27:06pm

re: #518 prairiefire

Please, no sickly dogs.

I don't care. That songs makes me cry.

522 laZardo  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:27:44pm

re: #516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

...already? O:

523 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:27:50pm

re: #414 prairiefire

Do urban people pick up the broken limbs and sticks in their yards?

Er, yes. At least the ones I know do.

524 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:27:51pm

Sheesh.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:30:14pm

re: #473 laZardo

My primary is a debit card, and I'm scrimping like Scrooge here.

The unfortunate fact is though that no credit history is as good as bad credit history. So I'm probably going to get a secured one with a $200-ish credit limit to start with sometime soon.

As long as you're paying it off each month, go for it.

Me, I screwed up with the credit cards early on. And I didn't even buy cool luxury stuff...

:(

526 dell*nix  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:30:33pm

Competitive Enterprise Institute shills. In response to a previous post about NWS.

527 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:30:48pm

re: #523 SanFranciscoZionist

The morning after hurricane Ike hit Houston, all my neighbors were out at dawn, tidying up their little urban lawns. Then we waited for ten days for the power to come back.

528 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:31:00pm

re: #517 Dark_Falcon

I don't think you and I actually disagree much where Loughner is concerned. We take different paths getting there, but we both honestly seek justice.

I don't know if you read the link I posted in #492. But it's not so different a path from what you said. It was definitely against the grain at the time, not that I gave a damn. But it turns out it's true: she [Palin] really is just a politician.

529 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:31:28pm

re: #522 laZardo

...already? O:

Lol I know, right? Sheesh.

530 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:31:58pm

So, is the East Coast going to be gradually swept away over a twenty year time span due to Global Warming?

531 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:32:08pm

re: #519 prairiefire

Is this by a National Monument?

Not that I'm aware, though I'm not familiar with the area.
I do know that the dam was repaired in 2008. We have bad infrastructure and just apply bandaid upon bandaid until it fails spectacularly.

532 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:33:47pm

re: #521 Gus 802

I don't care. That songs makes me cry.

That song that she sings about poor little pictures of cats and Dogs is really sad...
Yes.. I have watched it with little Winston with tears in my eyes..It's sad when people mistreat their pets..
.

533 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:34:12pm

re: #524 Gus 802

Sheesh.

What's up?

534 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:34:31pm

re: #531 Varek Raith

Not that I'm aware, though I'm not familiar with the area.
I do know that the dam was repaired in 2008. We have bad infrastructure and just apply bandaid upon bandaid until it fails spectacularly.

I'm very concerned about our Capitol pieces. What a drag for the MLK Memorial dedication. The Jefferson Memorial? Dude! You all are on top of swamp land. Have you toured the Tidal Basin Pool yet?

535 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:34:35pm

re: #533 Varek Raith

What's up?

Nothing.

536 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:36:18pm

re: #527 jaunte

The morning after hurricane Ike hit Houston, all my neighbors were out at dawn, tidying up their little urban lawns. Then we waited for ten days for the power to come back.

Back in the winter of 1995, NoCal got hit by serious storms. Old trees in Golden Gate Park were pulled up by the roots. Major winds.

I remember that in my parents' neigborhood there was just piles and piles of tree bits all over the street, with all the neighbors clearing everything up as best they could.

Given that some friends were rescued from their house by rowboat, we figured we got off light.

537 Gus  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:36:39pm
540 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:40:17pm

It's funny about urban yards though--no one in San Francisco has front yards. In some neighborhoods you might have some bushes or a strip of grass in front of the house.

Friend of mine from Montana, after she moved out here, was showing her parents the city, and the lack of front yards confused and upset her mother quite a bit. Finally she said, "Oh, I understand. They don't have front yards, but they must have three or four acres out back. That's how they do it here."

My friend gave up explaining.

541 jaunte  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:41:35pm

three or four acres out back!

542 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:44:22pm
543 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:45:42pm

re: #541 jaunte

three or four acres out back!

If you, say, drive or walk around a block in San Francisco, it should become painfully clear that there is not three or four acres to a house hiding in some tardis-like configuration inside, but there was only so far this lady could go in visualizing the horrors of urban living.

//This woman is sharp as a whip, too, which is the truly funny part.

544 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:46:57pm

COFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEECOFFEE
Image: is-my-coffee-ready.gif

545 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 27, 2011 10:46:59pm

Ire: #542 Varek Raith

Image: funny-gifs-renaissance-turtle.gif

They can move pretty quickly if you are walking behind them They look they are thinking "what the hell" in slow motion.

546 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:46:30am

re: #530 prairiefire

So, is the East Coast going to be gradually swept away over a twenty year time span due to Global Warming?

The East coast will be inland a foot or two from where it is now, perhaps. The Big Melt hasn't begun to hit its stride. The sequence is, first, the Arctic sea ice breaks up and we have a lot of open water in August and early Sept. most years, around the pole.

This means more sunlight hitting open water, and being captured rather than reflected. That makes the water around the Greenland ice cap warmer, so the glaciers flowing off it and forming ice shelves, those shelves melt faster. This unplugs the glaciers, which then flow faster.

At that point, the Big Melt begins in earnest. Sea levels rise much faster than they've been rising.

We need to be cautious, now, about putting infrastructure right on the coast.


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