Our Sunday evening music is another outstanding track from the Keith Jarrett Trio’s 1996 concert at Tokyo’s Orchard Hall. It starts out as the jazz standard “Last Night When We Were Young,” and mutates into “A Caribbean Sky” in a stunning interplay.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:45:51pm |
That sort of musical transition is one of the good things about live performances. It's the sort of thing you can't get from a studio album, and it's a way to tell the real musicians from the packaged acts.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:51:36pm |
Been tightening up the code in several spots today, by the way. The rating buttons for LGF Pages now behave like all the other rating buttons - you can completely cancel a ding by clicking the opposite button, and reverse a ding by clicking the opposite button twice.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:53:16pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
That sort of musical transition is one of the good things about live performances. It's the sort of thing you can't get from a studio album, and it's a way to tell the real musicians from the packaged acts.
watching people, up close, play their instruments, is a great joy in my life...don't even know why, I just do
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:53:40pm |
re: #2 Charles
Been tightening up the code in several spots today, by the way. The rating buttons for LGF Pages now behave like all the other rating buttons - you can completely cancel a ding by clicking the opposite button, and reverse a ding by clicking the opposite button twice.
Thank you, Charles. That helps give pages the ratings they deserve.
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darthstar Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:57:16pm |
Outage map for Connecticut. My wife's family is basically fucked right now.
[Link: www.cl-p.com...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Aug 28, 2011 5:58:04pm |
Beautiful album even by the high standards these three set. Thank you for posting these the past couple of evenings.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:05:00pm |
re: #6 wlewisiii
Beautiful album even by the high standards these three set. Thank you for posting these the past couple of evenings.
Jarret is almost a fanatic for decor and quality...to him each performance is a quasi religious experience
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:09:00pm |
re: #5 darthstar
That completely sucks. We got lucky here - the entire neighborhood on the other side of our park is out of power.
But on the flip side - the sunset tonite was absolutely beautiful. And the rest of the week is shaping up to be rain-free, which is going to be key for many parts here because of the flooding.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:10:17pm |
re: #2 Charles
Been tightening up the code in several spots today, by the way. The rating buttons for LGF Pages now behave like all the other rating buttons - you can completely cancel a ding by clicking the opposite button, and reverse a ding by clicking the opposite button twice.
Charles, this Page isn't letting me ding it one way or the other. Using Firefox 6.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:13:52pm |
another guy into perfection...the very best musicians, lots of rehearsals, the best venues, arrangements etc...
Walter Becker
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:14:00pm |
re: #8 lawhawk
That completely sucks. We got lucky here - the entire neighborhood on the other side of our park is out of power.
But on the flip side - the sunset tonite was absolutely beautiful. And the rest of the week is shaping up to be rain-free, which is going to be key for many parts here because of the flooding.
Yeah, except one or two short spots, we never lost power here.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:19:12pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:24:23pm |
Wonder what the "free market" will have to say about this:
As hurricane Irene bears down on the Jersey Shore, the Best Buy in Howell, NJ has taken it upon themselves sell cases of Dasani water for $40.56. One of the DJs for New Jersey 101.5 just sent this photo to theCHIVE.
At a time when it’s so important for these seaside communities to come together to help each other out (maybe even lower the price on water, eh), it’s disappointing to see a massive corporation like Best Buy not only assume zero social responsibility, but also go the extra mile to make a buck by selling bulk cases of water at the single bottle price during an emergency.
So I put it to you, Chivers. Is this ethical?
UPDATE: I just called Best Buy and spoke to one employee and a manager to confirm the photo. Both refused to answer my questions and told me I had to call corporate offices. My response was, ‘All you have to do is deny that you are doing this. It’s that simple.’
Neither party denied it. Instead I was rudely directed to corporate and then they hung up on me.UPDATE #2: The manager of the Best Buy has responded and said, “… Sunday August 28th 2011, we will (be) price matching any local supermarket’s price for cases of water if they are needed for one day only as a gesture of good will.”
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:26:06pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, that answers the question that's been keeping me up at night: is "Best Buy" truly the "Best Buy?"
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:27:32pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wonder what the "free market" will have to say about this:
pure water, fresh and clean from any kiosk is 25cts a gallon here in ABQ...gouging somebody for water out here is highly frowned upon
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:28:33pm |
re: #15 Charles
Well, that answers the question that's been keeping me up at night: is "Best Buy" truly the "Best Buy?"
Well, obviously. I mean, the "free market" wouldn't allow them to overcharge us...right?
//
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:32:17pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wonder what the "free market" will have to say about this:
I will never buy anything from BB.
Fuck'em.
I hope they pay dearly for this.
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:33:17pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
we will (be) price matching any local supermarket’s price for cases of water if they are needed for one day only as a gesture of good will
Just WTF is that supposed to mean? "As a gesture of goodwill." Ick.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:35:51pm |
re: #19 theheat
Just WTF is that supposed to mean? "As a gesture of goodwill." Ick.
$ over humanity. That's all.
Really freaks me out, that as we evolve we become more greedy and less helpful.
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:36:34pm |
re: #19 theheat
Just WTF is that supposed to mean? "As a gesture of goodwill." Ick.
It means: We don't want to lose all of our new found potential profits but we'll pretend to care for one day, then go back to padding our bottom line.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:40:10pm |
re: #22 b_sharp
It means: We don't want to lose all of our new found potential profits but we'll pretend to care for one day, then go back to padding our bottom line.
why are people buying water at Best Buy?...who is that stupid to pay that kind of money?...the same people who slap down $5 for a quart of popcorn at the local cinema?....hardly an issue
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:40:46pm |
Total drive-by post:
Why, when people start guessing at the identity of the Anti-Christ, do they always pick a male politician, like Obama or Tony Blair?
Why not Snooki? She has enough power now.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:41:15pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wonder what the "free market" will have to say about this:
In their defense... it's quite possible that they didn't have any "cases" of water in their inventory for sale. They're probably just selling 24 individual bottles. If they sold it as a case when they don't have any cases for sale, they just lost 24 individual bottles.
Big lesson here is we pay way too much for water period.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:42:20pm |
re: #19 theheat
Just WTF is that supposed to mean? "As a gesture of goodwill." Ick.
According to some comments I've seen on the story, the store's plan to sell the cases was to treat them as groups of individual bottles. So 24 bottles at $1.69 a pop comes to $40.56. Still a shitty way to handle this, but nothing illegal about it from what I can see.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:43:38pm |
re: #15 Charles
Well, that answers the question that's been keeping me up at night: is "Best Buy" truly the "Best Buy?"
I've never seen Best Buy sell drinks except as singles at the checkouts, so the fact that their system rings up a case worth of Dasani at 24x(single-bottle price) is not surprising. However, given the circumstances of Irene, it's a bonehead PR move for them to do that, and even more of a slap in the public's face to say for the manage of that BB to say "[...Sunday August 28th 2011,] we will (be) price matching any local supermarket’s price for cases of water if they are needed for one day only as a gesture of good will.”
There's a reason why Best Buy is often referred to as "Worst Buy" by folks who know...
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Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:43:46pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
According to some comments I've seen on the story, the store's plan to sell the cases was to treat them as groups of individual bottles. So 24 bottles at $1.69 a pop comes to $40.56. Still a shitty way to handle this, but nothing illegal about it from what I can see.
$40.56/24 = $1.69
$23.88/12 = $1.99
Again, the big problem is that we have no problem paying that much for a bottle of water in the first place.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:44:21pm |
re: #25 JasonA
In their defense... it's quite possible that they didn't have any "cases" of water in their inventory for sale. They're probably just selling 24 individual bottles. If they sold it as a case when they don't have any cases for sale, they just lost 24 individual bottles.
Big lesson here is we pay way too much for water period.
it's not the water, it's the plastic
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:45:03pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No, nothing illegal. Just creepy, particularly at such a time. I can't believe Best Buy could not afford to absorb a hit on bottled water on the short term. In fact, the gesture may have brought them more fans.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:45:23pm |
re: #27 talon_262
I've never seen Best Buy sell drinks except as single as the checkouts, so the fact that their system rings up a case worth of Dasani at 24x(single-bottle price) is not surprising. However, given the circumstances of Irene, it's a bonehead PR move for them to do that, and even more of a slap in the public's face to say for the manage of that BB to say "[...Sunday August 28th 2011,] we will (be) price matching any local supermarket’s price for cases of water if they are needed for one day only as a gesture of good will.”
There's a reason why Best Buy is often referred to as "Worst Buy" by folks who know...
fuck price matching...they should give it away
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:45:29pm |
Actually, who the fuck is buying water from best buy. But they still suck in the gouging.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:46:22pm |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
I'll have to check with corporate to see what my opinion is.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:46:46pm |
re: #25 JasonA
In their defense... it's quite possible that they didn't have any "cases" of water in their inventory for sale. They're probably just selling 24 individual bottles. If they sold it as a case when they don't have any cases for sale, they just lost 24 individual bottles.
Big lesson here is we pay way too much for water period.
Agreed. I've got about half a dozen Mason jars and various other containers that I filled up with water on Friday, in the event that the utilities did go out for more than a day. Even considered filling an old cooler with water and ice, which would have been a good bit of water for the duration.
Those folks who stocked up on crates of bottled water, are going to be stuck figuring out a place to put them until the next storm blows through. Me? I'm just going to be pouring a lot of water down the drain, then putting the jars to use holding other things, like bacon grease.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:47:12pm |
Kanye West and Katy Perry just won a VMA and she used the moment to say "Now this is a time when you want to interrupt me, Kanye." He is never going to live down that upstaging of Taylor Swift down.
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darthstar Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:48:08pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
Kanye West and Katy Perry just won a VMA and she used the moment to say "Now this is a time when you want to interrupt me, Kanye." He is never going to live down that upstaging of Taylor Swift down.
Who is Kanye West? Is he a singer?
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:48:43pm |
re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Agreed. I've got about half a dozen Mason jars and various other containers that I filled up with water on Friday, in the event that the utilities did go out for more than a day. Even considered filling an old cooler with water and ice, which would have been a good bit of water for the duration.
Those folks who stocked up on crates of bottled water, are going to be stuck figuring out a place to put them until the next storm blows through. Me? I'm just going to be pouring a lot of water down the drain, then putting the jars to use holding other things, like bacon grease.
can't do that out here...it's a sin
BEHOLD THE WRATH OF NEPTUNE!
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:48:45pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
I have a love/hate relationship with Kanye. He goes from brilliant to douchebag faster than almost anyone in music.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:48:45pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
Kanye West and Katy Perry just won a VMA and she used the moment to say "Now this is a time when you want to interrupt me, Kanye." He is never going to live down that upstaging of Taylor Swift down.
I hope Kanye "George W. Bush Hates Black People" West never does live that down (among other things), the jackass....
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:48:56pm |
Taylor Swift is an insult to Music.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:49:15pm |
re: #39 talon_262
I hope Kanye "George W. Bush Hates Black People" West never does live that down (among other things), the jackass...
Quite Concur.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:49:54pm |
re: #37 albusteve
can't do that out here...it's a sin
BEHOLD THE WRATH OF NEPTUNE!
I did. All she did was knock done a bunch of leaves and force me to stay glued to the local news all day yesterday. Oh, and knocked out Netflix, that bitch!
/
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:50:43pm |
re: #40 Stanley Sea
At least she wears panties in public. That's not a given with female celebrities these days.
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Bear Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:51:04pm |
What about the rip off at the airport for a bottle of water. TSA will not allow one to bring a bottle through the screening lines so the airport vendor may charge what ever they want.
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darthstar Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:51:10pm |
re: #39 talon_262
I hope Kanye "George W. Bush Hates Black People" West never does live that down (among other things), the jackass...
Well, he was right about that.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:51:51pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:52:01pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:52:33pm |
re: #46 darthstar
Well, he was right about that.
Even if he was (which I don't agree with), a relief fundraiser was not the place to say it.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:52:38pm |
re: #45 Bear
What about the rip off at the airport for a bottle of water. TSA will not allow one to bring a bottle through the screening lines so the airport vendor may charge what ever they want.
"Supply and demand," aka artificially restrict the supply so that the demand will be met at whatever price you choose to charge. What are they going to do, take their business somewhere else?
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:52:50pm |
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darthstar Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:52:58pm |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:53:05pm |
re: #45 Bear
What about the rip off at the airport for a bottle of water. TSA will not allow one to bring a bottle through the screening lines so the airport vendor may charge what ever they want.
This is a good idea:
[Link: www.psfk.com...]
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:54:59pm |
re: #54 jaunte
This is a good idea:
[Link: www.psfk.com...]
so they make $40m a year in swag bottles....not bad
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:55:15pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
Kanye's timing is generally as bad as possible. And then he apologizes at some point. And then he makes another epic blunder. And apologizes.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:55:23pm |
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:55:50pm |
re: #16 albusteve
pure water, fresh and clean from any kiosk is 25cts a gallon here in ABQ...gouging somebody for water out here is highly frowned upon
Nobody who buys bottled water other than for an emergency is being gouged, anymore than are people who consult psychics; and if they pay even more for "Smart Water", which maybe contains a fraction of a vitamin pill worth one cent, they deserve to be charged what they are.
I wish I had thought of selling a cup of coffee equivalent of caffein for $2-4 to people who have been up all night and don't have the skill to make their own coffee.
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darthstar Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:56:27pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
Even if he was (which I don't agree with), a relief fundraiser was not the place to say it.
Agreed...but it was never the place to point out Bush's fuckups. And now that he's gone, they're all getting rewritten as successes.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:57:54pm |
re: #58 Naso Tang
Nobody who buys bottled water other than for an emergency is being gouged, anymore than are people who consult psychics; and if they pay even more for "Smart Water", which maybe contains a fraction of a vitamin pill worth one cent, they deserve to be charged what they are.
I wish I had thought of selling a cup of coffee equivalent of caffein for $2-4 to people who have been up all night and don't have the skill to make their own coffee.
$40 for 12 bottles of water is gouging...it's not complicated
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:58:00pm |
re: #45 Bear
What about the rip off at the airport for a bottle of water. TSA will not allow one to bring a bottle through the screening lines so the airport vendor may charge what ever they want.
Anything you buy at airports is a rip off.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:59:32pm |
re: #60 albusteve
$40 for 12 bottles of water is gouging...it's not complicated
No it's not complicated if you read what I said; other than for emergencies.
I was commenting on those who pay that for all their drinking water all the time.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:59:46pm |
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:00:09pm |
re: #58 Naso Tang
At the local convenience store they're putting little individual plastic servings of some kind of caffeine super coffee jolt at the coffee station, right along side half-n-half and whatever other flavorings come in those little pulloff top plastic thingies.
I dumped one in my coffee with some flavoring to try it out. Didn't notice anything unusual. The room didn't spin.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:00:32pm |
re: #62 Naso Tang
No it's not complicated if you read what I said; other than for emergencies.
I was commenting on those who pay that for all their drinking water all the time.
that's was never the issue
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:00:55pm |
re: #61 Naso Tang
Anything you buy at airports is a rip off.
I got a $10 plate of barbecue at the DFW airport. It was terrific, as I hadn't had Texas barbecue in a while, and I didn't think the price was particularly elevated.
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:00:57pm |
DCA (consumer affairs) in NJ should be paying that Best Buy a visit and slap 'em with fines. It's gouging - no matter what kind of price match they're claiming after the fact.
The price is so far above the typical price for the item - the case - that it constitutes gouging. The measure isn't that they're treating the overall price as though each is priced for single sale. It's compared against like size product - the case. IMO at least.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:01:13pm |
Paul Fucking Krugman, bitches
Republicans Against Science
Now, we don’t know who will win next year’s presidential election. But the odds are that one of these years the world’s greatest nation will find itself ruled by a party that is aggressively anti-science, indeed anti-knowledge. And, in a time of severe challenges — environmental, economic, and more — that’s a terrifying prospect.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:01:25pm |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:01:32pm |
re: #64 theheat
They might be shorting the amount of caffeine to save on production costs.
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:02:55pm |
re: #66 EmmmieG
Depends on what you're buying. Airports charge their lessees crazy money and the vendors have to pass that along to the traveler, so you expect some higher prices, but not always.
Price for water and food at airports - especially water and other beverages is insane and people don't have a choice b/c the flights are cutting back leaving you little choice but to buy at the airport after security.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:03:23pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:03:26pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Paul Fucking Krugman, bitches
Republicans Against Science
Is that grammatically correct? Can you start a sentence with "but"? I thought that was an interjection.
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:03:40pm |
re: #70 jaunte
Whatever, the coffee's always bad. They label it stuff like Columbian Supreme or Vanilla or Northwest Blend - it all tastes like hot wet dirt. It's just institutional coffee with flowery names.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:03:53pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
So it’s now highly likely that the presidential candidate of one of our two major political parties will either be a man who believes what he wants to believe, even in the teeth of scientific evidence, or a man who pretends to believe whatever he thinks the party’s base wants him to believe.
Faith-based cynicism.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:04:55pm |
re: #60 albusteve
$40 for 12 bottles of water is gouging...it's not complicated
Then you must also think that $1.69 for one is also gouging.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:05:25pm |
re: #75 jaunte
Faith-based cynicism.
I question his grammar. Can you start a sentence with "and"? That's a conjunction. Maybe the hurricane fucked his editors or something.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:05:27pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:05:38pm |
re: #59 darthstar
Agreed...but it was never the place to point out Bush's fuckups. And now that he's gone, they're all getting rewritten as successes.
About what Kanye said about Bush, Kanye is a dolt. Despite how bad you might think that W fucked up the country over two terms in office, I seriously believe the man doesn't have a racist or bigoted bone in his body; I just can't see any "hate" borne out by the facts.
As far as W's "fuckups...getting rewritten as successes", we all know it's the TPers doing that, not W himself, just as they embellish Ronald Reagan's record and positions to make him one of them; otherwise, the TPers have more or less denounced W as a squishy RINO.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:05:42pm |
re: #64 theheat
At the local convenience store they're putting little individual plastic servings of some kind of caffeine super coffee jolt at the coffee station, right along side half-n-half and whatever other flavorings come in those little pulloff top plastic thingies.
I dumped one in my coffee with some flavoring to try it out. Didn't notice anything unusual. The room didn't spin.
I don't buy coffee at those, but for one or two cup equivalents, I think the effect is more psychological than physiological. I drink a cup most mornings because I like it. I don't notice a difference if I don't have time to enjoy one.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:06:13pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
That sentence starting with But should have been an extension of the one in front of it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:06:17pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Is that grammatically correct? Can you start a sentence with "but"? I thought that was an interjection.
I think it's OK.
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:06:31pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
You're not supposed to begin a sentence with and or but. But in casual conversation, people do. And other times, too.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:07:21pm |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:07:28pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
I question his grammar. Can you start a sentence with "and"? That's a conjunction. Maybe the hurricane fucked his editors or something.
Just imagine him shouting that whole thing into a recorder while striding around the room.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:07:33pm |
re: #83 theheat
You're not supposed to begin a sentence with and or but. But in casual conversation, people do. And other times, too.
And but I agree with you and but it still bugs me.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:09:19pm |
re: #85 Naso Tang
I don't, I love it when the plane takes off.
I always wanted to drive one...push all those fancy throttle levers and feel the rush...flying is way cool
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:10:26pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
I spend a lot of time on my day job as a grammar nazi. I've learned to let a lot of shit sail outside of work. It's too maddening to communicate with people who don't pay attention to such things, and they simply think you're an asshole all the time.
(But I am an asshole all the time.)
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:10:42pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
The proscription against using and came partially from anti-Irish sentiment; it's very common for Irish writers or speakers to begin a sentence with 'and', and the formulation "And so it was" and variations thereof is standard in Irish storytelling.
And so it goes.
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:11:19pm |
re: #88 albusteve
Geez, Steve, you're starting to scare me.
//
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:13:19pm |
re: #90 Obdicut
The proscription against using and came partially from anti-Irish sentiment; it's very common for Irish writers or speakers to begin a sentence with 'and', and the formulation "And so it was" and variations thereof is standard in Irish storytelling.
And so it goes.
That I had not known. Thank you.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:13:28pm |
re: #88 albusteve
I always wanted to drive one...push all those fancy throttle levers and feel the rush...flying is way cool
I used to be able to land a Cesna, most of the time, with Microsoft Flight Simulator. Now, the F15 was a different story.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:13:44pm |
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:14:35pm |
re: #94 albusteve
Note to self: Never fly or drive with Steve at the helm.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:15:12pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:16:39pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
Most rules of grammar are actually just conventions.
If I want, in my finite wisdom, full knowing what I do of the power of works, to split an infinitive or even, should it seem fit to me, cleave it in twain and remove the 'to' from the sentence, by god I will do it.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:17:24pm |
A well-put defense of price-gouging. Having seen hoarders first-hand I do understand his point. Not entirely swayed to his position, but he does present it well.
| 99 |
albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:18:07pm |
re: #93 Naso Tang
I used to be able to land a Cesna, most of the time, with Microsoft Flight Simulator. Now, the F15 was a different story.
I worked for an AA pilot on his summer home on a pretty little lake in SW MI...he had a small float plane that we'd take up for a spin after hours...eventually he let me land it....yowza! was that cool....I did really good, but my boating gig let me down and I couldn't get the thing against the dock...he shut it off and we jumped on the water and beached it...really cool event in my life
| 100 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:19:12pm |
re: #98 JasonA
A well-put defense of price-gouging. Having seen hoarders first-hand I do understand his point. Not entirely swayed to his position, but he does present it well.
[Video]
It's almost always good to present the arguments of both sides. Upding.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:19:47pm |
[Link: www.authorama.com...]
And so it is with our own past. It is a labour in vain to attempt to recapture it: all the efforts of our intellect must prove futile. The past is hidden somewhere outside the realm, beyond the reach of intellect, in some material object (in the sensation which that material object will give us) which we do not suspect. And as for that object, it depends on chance whether we come upon it or not before we ourselves must die.
The number of great works of literature that have sentences starting with "and" and "but" is legion.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:20:13pm |
| 105 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:22:57pm |
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Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:23:50pm |
re: #99 albusteve
Yes, I've been in small planes on occasions, as a passenger. Nothing like a tight turn and looking straight down from the window, or flying at a few hundred feet over islands and reefs in the Caribbean.
Turbulence is also very very personal.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:24:41pm |
OT
The George Bush 9/11 interview is quite compelling. An essential perspective to absorb, whether you agree or disagree with how he reacted and handled the day.
| 108 |
albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:25:28pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:25:34pm |
re: #107 Rightwingconspirator
OT
The George Bush 9/11 interview is quite compelling. An essential perspective to absorb, whether you agree or disagree with how he reacted and handled the day.
Quite Concur.
| 110 |
Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:26:13pm |
re: #98 JasonA
A well-put defense of price-gouging. Having seen hoarders first-hand I do understand his point. Not entirely swayed to his position, but he does present it well.
[Video]
Indeed, his argument is certainly convincing, even though I don't agree with it entirely.
| 111 |
albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:27:22pm |
re: #106 Naso Tang
Yes, I've been in small planes on occasions, as a passenger. Nothing like a tight turn and looking straight down from the window, or flying at a few hundred feet over islands and reefs in the Caribbean.
Turbulence is also very very personal.
it's just a huge rush...
my buddies wife had one of these...she'd get into some spins and stalls etc....fucking cool
[Link: www.biplanerides.net...]
| 112 |
Sheila Broflovski Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:27:51pm |
Since I set up my new Windows 7 and installed Adobe 5.5, I have discovered to my horror, an errant <div> tag causing pages in The Occident to center align. Even more horrible, the <div> is inside the editable region, which means I have to go into each and every page on the entire site in order to remove it and the text line up correctly.
If I could get a grant from my skinflint asshole relative who gives out donations to the anti Muslim groups, I could hire somebody to fix the code.
Grumble grumble.
| 113 |
blueraven Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:28:48pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
I question his grammar. Can you start a sentence with "and"? That's a conjunction. Maybe the hurricane fucked his editors or something.
I think its acceptable, except in a very formal situation.
[Link: www.dailywritingtips.com...]
I actually use But & And to begin a sentence quite often. Probably too much!
More...
[Link: www.english-test.net...]
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theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:29:07pm |
re: #112 Alouette
Is there a tag that precedes it where you could do a global replace?
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Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:29:25pm |
re: #110 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Indeed, his argument is certainly convincing, even though I don't agree with it entirely.
I wanted to get a lantern battery on Friday. Walked into the nearest RadioShack only to find out that someone had bought all of them (nine!) an hour or two earlier.
Oh, and there's an unreasonable D battery shortage on the east coast right now... (they were also out of those on Friday).
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:29:34pm |
re: #111 albusteve
an old Steerman double seater...sit there watching wires stretch, pullies bob around...you could feel the plane flying, the stress and the wind
| 117 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:30:24pm |
God, MTV is a wasteland. Gaga, Britney (however the hell you spell it) Spears, and Beyonce all performing mediocre to awful songs in clown suits right now. Sometimes I think music died with Kurt Cobain, but then I console myself with some Arcade Fire and feel a little less hopeless. To be fair, many modern rappers are very talented, just not my preferred genre (though I love Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.)
| 118 |
Sheila Broflovski Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:30:43pm |
re: #114 theheat
Is there a tag that precedes it where you could do a global replace?
I don't want to take a chance on the global replace because this could totally fuck up the formatting. Also, the matching </div> has to be removed.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:31:38pm |
re: #107 Rightwingconspirator
OT
The George Bush 9/11 interview is quite compelling. An essential perspective to absorb, whether you agree or disagree with how he reacted and handled the day.
Link?
| 121 |
theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:32:28pm |
re: #118 Alouette
Have you run the page through w3c validation?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:33:46pm |
re: #113 blueraven
I think its acceptable, except in a very formal situation.
[Link: www.dailywritingtips.com...]
I actually use But & And to begin a sentence quite often. Probably too much!
More...
[Link: www.english-test.net...]
YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HATE'S BAD GRAMMER.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:34:39pm |
re: #117 Atlas Fails
God, MTV is a wasteland. Gaga, Britney (however the hell you spell it) Spears, and Beyonce all performing mediocre to awful songs in clown suits right now. Sometimes I think music died with Kurt Cobain, but then I console myself with some Arcade Fire and feel a little less hopeless. To be fair, many modern rappers are very talented, just not my preferred genre (though I love Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.)
There is still Adele, and Joss Stone still lives.
Also, if we pray hard enough and offer sacrifices to the right gods, maybe Alison Krauss and Robert Plant will make another album.
| 124 |
Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:34:45pm |
re: #115 JasonA
I wanted to get a lantern battery on Friday. Walked into the nearest RadioShack only to find out that someone had bought all of them (nine!) an hour or two earlier.
Oh, and there's an unreasonable D battery shortage on the east coast right now... (they were also out of those on Friday).
Yeah, I figure the local businesses are going to see a short surge in business this weekend, then taper off for a long while due to a glut in items like bottled water and batteries. Not that I can really blame them, as I remember what Isabel was like back in '03 and actually feared things would be as bad or worse this time.
Instead, I got stuck watching the Weather Channel all day yesterday and slowly starving out of fear that we'd lose power at any second.
| 125 |
theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:35:06pm |
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albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:37:04pm |
re: #120 Naso Tang
great pic...better than any rolly coaster...I love that stuff...many/most of those planes are made to dive and spin and loop....man, if I was rich
| 127 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:37:08pm |
| 128 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:38:05pm |
| 129 |
theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:38:18pm |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
How awful. Hanging would be too good for him.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:38:44pm |
re: #117 Atlas Fails
God, MTV is a wasteland. Gaga, Britney (however the hell you spell it) Spears, and Beyonce all performing mediocre to awful songs in clown suits right now. Sometimes I think music died with Kurt Cobain, but then I console myself with some Arcade Fire and feel a little less hopeless. To be fair, many modern rappers are very talented, just not my preferred genre (though I love Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.)
Britney's always relied more on the 'spectacle' aspect of the music business, rather than artistic talent. People do buy her music, though, as well as tickets to her shows.
| 131 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:40:34pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
Britney's always relied more on the 'spectacle' aspect of the music business, rather than artistic talent. People do buy her music, though, as well as tickets to her shows.
I've always considered her a performance artist rather than a musician. Her greatest oeuvre has been her own life, which is more memorable than anything she has sung.
Justin Timberlake, on the other hand, is an actual singer.
| 132 |
Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:41:08pm |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
It's like Iraq all over again, watching the horrors of the old regime slowly coming into the light. I'm honestly beginning to question if there's a single member of the Gaddafi family, both immediate and extended, who has a shred of humanity left in them.
| 133 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:42:09pm |
re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Fuck them all.
| 134 |
Sheila Broflovski Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:42:37pm |
re: #121 theheat
Have you run the page through w3c validation?
Oh great, it's returning errors on all my affiliate links code!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:42:52pm |
re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It's like Iraq all over again, watching the horrors of the old regime slowly coming into the light. I'm honestly beginning to question if there's a single member of the Gaddafi family, both immediate and extended, who has a shred of humanity left in them.
When NK finally falls, the stories will render us mute with horror.
| 136 |
albusteve Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:43:08pm |
re: #131 EmmmieG
I've always considered her a performance artist rather than a musician. Her greatest oeuvre has been her own life, which is more memorable than anything she has sung.
Justin Timberlake, on the other hand, is an actual singer.
what did you think of Donald Fagan?
| 137 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:43:23pm |
re: #129 theheat
How awful. Hanging would be too good for him.
Hannibal and Aline Gaddafi should be given a 'his and hers' trip to the gallows. Let them hang side-by-side for their crimes.
| 139 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:44:42pm |
re: #136 albusteve
what did you think of Donald Fagan?
Well, he's obviously not an MTV pop star. I've not been the biggest Steely Dan fan, in the sense of seeking out more than the radio offered, but I have liked what I've heard.
| 140 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:44:45pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
Britney's always relied more on the 'spectacle' aspect of the music business, rather than artistic talent. People do buy her music, though, as well as tickets to her shows.
I'll never understand it. Her voice, imo, just sounds bad. Also, who the hell is Tyler the Creator? He just won the award for best new artist over my fellow Pittsburgh area native Wiz Khalifa.
| 141 |
theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:45:59pm |
re: #134 Alouette
If you've run your ads through a database you'll need to escape the '&' in the links with '& amp ;' (remove spaces between) if the db isn't doing that for you. If you copy and paste them in, you'll need to convert before pasting in.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:46:23pm |
re: #135 EmmmieG
When NK finally falls, the stories will render us mute with horror.
No doubt. Dictatorships seem to always be a veritable treasure trove of horror stories and victims. The rumors and few public pictures/videos never seem to do more than scratch the surface of what's going on. And considering what we've seen in NK so far, I shudder to imagine the size of the pile of bodies that are hidden beneath the surface.
| 143 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:47:20pm |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
But it also goes without saying that Shwygar Mullah should be put on a plane and flown to the US posthaste. We've got the best plastic surgeons in the world, and I'm sure some of them would be willing to donate their time to helping undo some of the physical traumas this woman suffered. We also have PTSD specialists, and I think she should see one.
| 144 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:47:40pm |
Okay, now tell me where the right lane started...
| 145 |
theheat Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:49:12pm |
I need to buy some Cheezits. It suddenly hit me like lightning. Need Cheezits. BBL.
| 146 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:49:29pm |
Can we cry about our bridges collapsing now?
| 147 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:49:42pm |
re: #140 Atlas Fails
I'll never understand it. Her voice, imo, just sounds bad. Also, who the hell is Tyler the Creator? He just won the award for best new artist over my fellow Pittsburgh area native Wiz Khalifa.
I think she sounds decent, but she doesn't have the talent of others singers. Her key point has always been the performance aspect. She has also had some pretty good help from the songwriters over the years.
| 148 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:53:25pm |
Rather be in Margaritaville...
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
| 149 |
b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:53:43pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
I question his grammar. Can you start a sentence with "and"? That's a conjunction. Maybe the hurricane fucked his editors or something.
It doesn't matter. What matters is his ability to communicate his ideas in a manner we can easily understand. In this case I don't think his use of 'but' or 'and' at the start of a sentence makes his message difficult to understand.
| 150 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:57:17pm |
I will say that Lady Gaga's gender-bending turn as a late 1950's 'greaser' is very odd, even for her. She's trying to channel John Travolta.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:57:54pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
I will say that Lady Gaga's gender-bending turn as a late 1950's 'greaser' is very odd, even for her. She's trying to channel John Travolta.
That would be a trick, as he's still alive.
| 152 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:57:59pm |
re: #148 JasonA
Rather be in Margaritaville...
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
I'd rather be on the road to Kashmir.
| 153 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 7:59:40pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
I will say that Lady Gaga's gender-bending turn as a late 1950's 'greaser' is very odd, even for her. She's trying to channel John Travolta.
Ugh, stupid and gimmicky. Makes me miss the simple, understated brilliance of bands like Nirvana.
| 154 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:02:14pm |
| 155 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:04:43pm |
Huh, I just realized what an old person I sound like. Would you believe I'll be voting in my first election next year? Guess I picked up my parents' tastes in music.
| 156 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:05:22pm |
| 157 |
Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:06:34pm |
re: #155 Atlas Fails
Huh, I just realized what an old person I sound like. Would you believe I'll be voting in my first election next year?
Geez, are you even old enough to be shaving?
//
| 158 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:06:53pm |
re: #117 Atlas Fails
God, MTV is a wasteland. Gaga, Britney (however the hell you spell it) Spears, and Beyonce all performing mediocre to awful songs in clown suits right now.
Wayback Machine, activate!
And so it was,
Our beloved corporate gods
Claimed they created "rock video"
Allowing it to sink as low in one year
As commercial TV has in 25
"It's the new frontier," they say
"It's wide open, anything can happen!"
But you've got a lot of nerve
To call yourself a pioneer
When you're too god-damn conservative
To take real chances.Tin-eared
Graph-paper brained
Accountants instead of music fans
Call all the shots at giant record companies now
The lowest common denominator rulesForget honesty
Forget creativity
"The dumbest buy the mostest"
That's the name of the gameBut sales are slumping
And no one will say why
Could it be they put out one too many lousy records?MTV Get off the air!
NOW
- Dead Kenedys, 1985
| 159 |
prairiefire Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:12:19pm |
| 160 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:12:59pm |
I do think the Amy Winehouse tribute is good, though. Heartfelt.
| 161 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:13:46pm |
| 162 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:15:35pm |
| 163 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:15:56pm |
I just saw news on flooding in the north. This is bad.
Patrick Michaels should have his mouth washed out with lye.
| 164 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:18:28pm |
re: #163 Naso Tang
I just saw news on flooding in the north. This is bad.
On the right hand sidebar you can click on all the little iReports in the map. Yeah, it's really bad up there.
[Link: ireport.cnn.com...]
| 165 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:19:08pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
I do think the Amy Winehouse tribute is good, though. Heartfelt.
She was something of a '60s throwback, with her booming, soulful voice and rhythmic songs. She may not have been as accomplished as other members of the infamous "27 Club" like Hendrix, Joplin, and Cobain, but her talent was undeniable.
| 166 |
prairiefire Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:21:23pm |
re: #161 JasonA
Vermont.
The folks in Vermont are really going to freak. They're quite proud, justifiably so, of their countryside and landmarks.
| 167 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:24:33pm |
Must say I'm happy with how my state gov't has dealt with this so far. I think enough precautions were taken without going overboard. Shutting down the MTA seems to have been an especially good idea.
| 168 |
Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:25:31pm |
re: #164 JasonA
On the right hand sidebar you can click on all the little iReports in the map. Yeah, it's really bad up there.
[Link: ireport.cnn.com...]
Seeing everything that's happening up in NE, I'm actually starting to feel a bit guilty that we came out of this unscathed. Hell, even the highest winds either kept to the south of us in NC or out west towards Richmond. And there was some flooding, but nothing like in the pictures I've seen today from up north.
| 169 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:25:31pm |
BTW, I don't want to come off as a pretentious music snob. I listen to mindless dreck from marginally talented artists like blink-182, Green Day, Eminem, Lil' Wayne, Katy Perry, even Gaga. It's a guilty pleasure of sorts, but it doesn't compare to McCartney, Lennon, the Stones, Led Zep, Hendrix, Dylan, Queen, Nirvana, Arcade Fire, etc.
| 170 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:26:54pm |
re: #157 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Geez, are you even old enough to be shaving?
//
Since I was 14. Guess I'm a throwback to the '60s and '70s in that regard, too.
/creepiness off
| 171 |
ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:27:12pm |
re: #146 JasonA
I hope that historical little bridge is replaced with a replica.
| 172 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:28:16pm |
re: #168 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Seeing everything that's happening up in NE, I'm actually starting to feel a bit guilty that we came out of this unscathed. Hell, even the highest winds either kept to the south of us in NC or out west towards Richmond. And there was some flooding, but nothing like in the pictures I've seen today from up north.
A lot of your water was just going into the ocean, I gather. They're getting it all.
| 173 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:28:27pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
I will say that Lady Gaga's gender-bending turn as a late 1950's 'greaser' is very odd, even for her. She's trying to channel John Travolta.
"Lady Gaga" is not "interesting", is not "talented", is not "unique", is not anything other than one of the most successful marketing campaigns of the early 21st century.
I fully admit that this probably says more about me than about her, but for over a full year I assumed that "Lady Gaga" was a Saturday Night Live meme, along the lines of "Isn't-That-Special Church Lady" and "Needs More Cowbell".
I really hate moments of realization like that. Being presented with evidence that I was right all along and everything really is as terrible as I had previously assumed is more depressing than satisfying.
| 174 |
Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:29:46pm |
re: #172 JasonA
A lot of your water was just going into the ocean, I gather. They're getting it all.
Oh, not all of it. Folks out in Portsmouth and Norfolk saw a good bit of flooding. Meanwhile, we here in VA Beach got to show our solidarity by watching local morons drive down to the beach to mug for the camera on the boardwalk. Ugh.
| 175 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:31:55pm |
re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh, not all of it. Folks out in Portsmouth and Norfolk saw a good bit of flooding. Meanwhile, we here in VA Beach got to show our solidarity by watching local morons drive down to the beach to mug for the camera on the boardwalk. Ugh.
At least you have juice. A friend of mine lives in Richmond and she's in the dark right now.
| 176 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:32:16pm |
re: #173 negativ
"Lady Gaga" is not "interesting", is not "talented", is not "unique", is not anything other than one of the most successful marketing campaigns of the early 21st century.
I fully admit that this probably says more about me than about her, but for over a full year I assumed that "Lady Gaga" was a Saturday Night Live meme, along the lines of "Isn't-That-Special Church Lady" and "Needs More Cowbell".
I really hate moments of realization like that. Being presented with evidence that I was right all along and everything really is as terrible as I had previously assumed is more depressing than satisfying.
But she's a great way for angsty emo teenagers to show how much they hate their parents! Almost as bad as Green Day there.
| 177 |
Eclectic Infidel Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:33:16pm |
Wonderful music. Up to about 5 minutes ago I was stressing big time over school and a certain woman and now I'm actually in a good mood just by listening to it. Thank you.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:34:45pm |
re: #175 JasonA
At least you have juice. A friend of mine lives in Richmond and she's in the dark right now.
Yeah, a good number of folks lost power out that way. No telling how many ran there or to the surrounding area, thinking they'd avoided Irene, just to get rocked by some of the strongest winds and rain.
| 179 |
laZardo Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:35:36pm |
Evening folks. Been so friendly today that I need to vent my anger someplace.
| 180 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:35:54pm |
re: #177 eclectic infidel
Wonderful music. Up to about 5 minutes ago I was stressing big time over school and a certain woman and now I'm actually in a good mood just by listening to it. Thank you.
This one always relaxes me when I'm stressed.
| 181 |
b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:36:39pm |
re: #173 negativ
"Lady Gaga" is not "interesting", is not "talented", is not "unique", is not anything other than one of the most successful marketing campaigns of the early 21st century.
I fully admit that this probably says more about me than about her, but for over a full year I assumed that "Lady Gaga" was a Saturday Night Live meme, along the lines of "Isn't-That-Special Church Lady" and "Needs More Cowbell".
I really hate moments of realization like that. Being presented with evidence that I was right all along and everything really is as terrible as I had previously assumed is more depressing than satisfying.
What do you think of Stefani Germanotta?
| 182 |
ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:36:46pm |
Irene has finally Died:
Preliminary Damage Estimate from Caribbean and US: $10.1 Billion, with $7 Billion in the US
Death Toll: 28, with 22 in the US, along with 8 missing. Could mean Death Toll is 36.
| 183 |
laZardo Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:40:10pm |
| 184 |
Mocking Jay Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:41:31pm |
| 185 |
laZardo Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:42:15pm |
Welp.
My mom apparently can't apply for EBT because we listed a cousin of hers living in San Francisco as her "financial sponsor." Which means that'll have to fall on me to be the applicant, and that won't happen until I actually get a job-job (not just the temp.)
| 186 |
freetoken Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:42:49pm |
re: #182 ProLifeLiberal
Death Toll: 28, with 22 in the US, along with 8 missing. Could mean Death Toll is 36.
Waiting for the Patrick Michaels press release on that one!
| 187 |
Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:43:08pm |
re: #179 laZardo
Evening folks. Been so friendly today that I need to vent my anger someplace.
Oooh, college kid fight!
//
Seriously though, I wouldn't worry too much. We knew these scumbags would try to take advantage of the revolutions in the Middle East, but Libya in particular has no where to go but up, as they were already a state sponsor of terrorism ruled with an iron fist by a brutal dictator. Let's hope the majority of Libyan rebels realize how essential NATO and the West were in bringing down Gadhafi and purge themselves of this garbage.
| 188 |
b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:43:11pm |
re: #183 laZardo
That was back when she was a human.
Her talent hasn't changed, she's simply gone to the dark side where the money means more than anything else.
| 189 |
laZardo Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:46:09pm |
re: #187 Atlas Fails
Seriously though, I wouldn't worry too much. We knew these scumbags would try to take advantage of the revolutions in the Middle East, but Libya in particular has no where to go but up, as they were already a state sponsor of terrorism ruled with an iron fist by a brutal dictator. Let's hope the majority of Libyan rebels realize how essential NATO and the West were in bringing down Gadhafi and purge themselves of this garbage.
Libya still has infrastructure. And there's still the Somalia scenario.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:47:29pm |
re: #188 b_sharp
Her talent hasn't changed, she's simply gone to the dark side where the money means more than anything else.
She's like Madonna- slightly above average voice and fantastic showmanship. Both have some good songs, both enjoy/ied massive popularity, and both annoy me.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:49:00pm |
re: #189 laZardo
Libya still has infrastructure. And there's still the Somalia scenario.
I understand your concerns, I'm just not ready to declare Libya lost. In fact, I'm still pretty optimistic we could get a decent ally out of this whole thing.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:50:32pm |
re: #187 Atlas Fails
Oooh, college kid fight!
//
Seriously though, I wouldn't worry too much. We knew these scumbags would try to take advantage of the revolutions in the Middle East, but Libya in particular has no where to go but up, as they were already a state sponsor of terrorism ruled with an iron fist by a brutal dictator. Let's hope the majority of Libyan rebels realize how essential NATO and the West were in bringing down Gadhafi and purge themselves of this garbage.
Here's a story that illustrates just how depraved the men defending Gaddafi were:
First you see her large brown eyes and rosebud lips, framed by a pink headscarf. Then you notice that her bruised feet are secured by manacles to the foot of her bed.
Nisreen Mansour al Forgani is a pretty 19-year-old. She was also a serial killer for Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.
Yesterday, in a heavily guarded room at the Matiga military hospital in Tripoli, she admitted to the Mail that she had executed as many as 11 suspected rebel prisoners in the days leading up to the fall of the Libyan capital last week. Shot at point-blank range, in cold blood.
SNIP
One of thousands of girls and young women recruited by Gaddafi’s all-female militias, Nisreen is now a prisoner of the rebels and in fear of her life. Yet despite her killings, it is impossible not to feel pity for her.
Nisreen claims – and her doctors and even some of the rebel fighters believe her – that she had to shoot under great duress. She also says that she was sexually abused by senior military figures, one of whom was the commander of the elite Tripoli brigade tasked with protecting Gaddafi himself. ‘I told them [the rebels] what I did,’ she said. ‘They are angry. I do not know what will happen to me now.’
Nisreen is being looked after by Dr Rabia Gajum, a Libyan child psychologist who has volunteered to work at the Matiga hospital. She voices immense sympathy for the teenager.
‘Nisreen is a victim too,’ she says. ‘Her brother told me that the family tried to get her out of the 77 Brigade base, but were threatened by the soldiers.
‘All the girls in the Popular Guards were raped. The men sexually assault the female recruits and then train them in weapons. We have had four women in here as patients, all trained as snipers like Nisreen.
‘We give them medical treatment. After that it is a matter for the new government about what to do with them.’ She added: ‘Nisreen has pelvic injuries and severe bruising. She needs long bed-rest and psychological counseling.
The noose is too good for the men that did this, but its what I'll settle for.
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:51:22pm |
re: #190 Atlas Fails
She's like Madonna- slightly above average voice and fantastic showmanship. Both have some good songs, both enjoy/ied massive popularity, and both annoy me.
I hate Madonna, but for some reason I like Gaga, perhaps because she's a satirical representation of herself.
Even her name is self deprecating and satirical (although I think she may have forgotten that).
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:53:03pm |
re: #169 Atlas Fails
BTW, I don't want to come off as a pretentious music snob. I listen to mindless dreck from marginally talented artists like blink-182, Green Day, Eminem, Lil' Wayne, Katy Perry, even Gaga. It's a guilty pleasure of sorts, but it doesn't compare to McCartney, Lennon, the Stones, Led Zep, Hendrix, Dylan, Queen, Nirvana, Arcade Fire, etc.
I've never heard of Arcade Fire; Bob Dylan is a sad hack but not nearly as worthless as the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin's decades-long career yielded a grand total of 4 songs that weren't terrible.
Wanna fight?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:54:49pm |
re: #194 negativ
I've never heard of Arcade Fire; Bob Dylan is a sad hack but not nearly as worthless as the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin's decades-long career yielded a grand total of 4 songs that weren't terrible.
Wanna fight?
Call the Stones 'worthless' and Albusteve will shove his artificial leg so far up your backside the foot will come out of your mouth!
//
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:54:50pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
Hell isn't hot enough for this monster. I'm not usually the type to get emotional over world events, but I was on the verge of tears when they interviewed the rebel wearing Gadhafi's colonel hat and he said he planned to give the hat to his father, who had suffered so much under Gadhafi.
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:54:51pm |
re: #194 negativ
I've never heard of Arcade Fire; Bob Dylan is a sad hack but not nearly as worthless as the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin's decades-long career yielded a grand total of 4 songs that weren't terrible.
Wanna fight?
You dis the Zep, you need to go down. Hard.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:55:10pm |
re: #181 b_sharp
needs more strangulation
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:57:12pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
Here's a story that illustrates just how depraved the men defending Gaddafi were:
SNIP
The noose is too good for the men that did this, but its what I'll settle for.
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:58:43pm |
And for any wingnuts watching this blog tonight, here's your Palin fix of the day.
The reality venture and her Hollywood room mates won't do anything to improve the 20-year-old mother's relationship with ex-boyfriend and father of her child, Levi Johnston.
In Bristol's tell-all memoir Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far that was released in June, she described Levi as a 'gnat' who 'cheated on me as frequently as he sharpened his hockey skates.'
The 21-year-old Playgirl model will no doubt bite back about Bristol and her whole family in his book, Deer in the Headlights: My Life in Sarah Palin’s Crosshairs, which hits book stores in the U.S. on September 20.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:00:18pm |
re: #194 negativ
I've never heard of Arcade Fire; Bob Dylan is a sad hack but not nearly as worthless as the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin's decades-long career yielded a grand total of 4 songs that weren't terrible.
Wanna fight?
Nah man, it's all good ;) At least you didn't bash the Beatles or Nirvana. Led Zep (my faves) is a bit of an acquired taste, I'll give you that, and the Stones usually evoke strong reactions one way or the other. Can't say I get your Dylan hate though. Dude's a national treasure, take a listen to "Like a Rolling Stone," "The Times they are a'Changin'," or "Blowin' in the Wind" and tell me he's a sad hack. Now Elvis, on the other hand...well he may not have been a hack, but he was probably the most overrated artist of the time period.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:02:24pm |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
And for any wingnuts watching this blog tonight, here's your Palin fix of the day.
She's what people who hate America think Americans are like.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:02:33pm |
re: #199 EmmmieG
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
I must confess that I don't really have an idea about what to do on that matter.
Though it's only an issue in the case of those accused of crimes. Those who were simply military conscripts should not face prosecution.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:08:15pm |
re: #197 b_sharp
You dis the Zep, you need to go down. Hard.
Perhaps you'd like an autographed copy of my new book, "Led Zeppelin: Not Really All That Great Now That You Think Of It, Were They?"
It features a foreward by Lou Reed whose music is similarly worthless.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:10:04pm |
re: #205 negativ
Perhaps you'd like an autographed copy of my new book, "Led Zeppelin: Not Really All That Great Now That You Think Of It, Were They?"
It features a foreward by Lou Reed whose music is similarly worthless.
Did you just have a really bad day and you want someone to fight with?
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:11:17pm |
re: #205 negativ
Perhaps you'd like an autographed copy of my new book, "Led Zeppelin: Not Really All That Great Now That You Think Of It, Were They?"
It features a foreward by Lou Reed whose music is similarly worthless.
My rebuttal:
YOU LOSE!!!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:11:43pm |
re: #203 Atlas Fails
She's what people who hate America think Americans are like.
Which is ironic given that she's Icelandic.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:12:03pm |
re: #205 negativ
Perhaps you'd like an autographed copy of my new book, "Led Zeppelin: Not Really All That Great Now That You Think Of It, Were They?"
It features a foreward by Lou Reed whose music is similarly worthless.
Nah, you can keep it... [Dark_Falcon smacks Negativ upside the head with neg's book]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:14:31pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:15:21pm |
re: #79 talon_262
About what Kanye said about Bush, Kanye is a dolt. Despite how bad you might think that W fucked up the country over two terms in office, I seriously believe the man doesn't have a racist or bigoted bone in his body; I just can't see any "hate" borne out by the facts.
As far as W's "fuckups...getting rewritten as successes", we all know it's the TPers doing that, not W himself, just as they embellish Ronald Reagan's record and positions to make him one of them; otherwise, the TPers have more or less denounced W as a squishy RINO.
And yet the candidate they like most is another ultra conservative, Jesus-freak governor of Texas. Go figure.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:15:25pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:16:59pm |
re: #205 negativ
Perhaps you'd like an autographed copy of my new book, "Led Zeppelin: Not Really All That Great Now That You Think Of It, Were They?"
It features a foreward by Lou Reed whose music is similarly worthless.
Led Zeppelin can't hold a candle to Queen, in my opinion.
I like Lou Reed though - his glaringly obvious almost tone deaf voice has grown on me over the years. Same with Tom Waits...harsh voice but his music is in my blood to stay...though moreso than Lou Reed.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:19:22pm |
re: #213 eclectic infidel
Led Zeppelin can't hold a candle to Queen, in my opinion.
I like Lou Reed though - his glaringly obvious almost tone deaf voice has grown on me over the years. Same with Tom Waits...harsh voice but his music is in my blood to stay...though moreso than Lou Reed.
Whatever you think of Queen, you can't say they were unoriginal.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:20:03pm |
Well, I'm glad that Portland is taking things so seriously.
Portland police acknowledge that rogue ice cream sellers are a problem. Not a big one, though. They don't intend to do anything about it.
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]
This doesn't rise to the level of a page. Just a chuckle.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:23:35pm |
re: #199 EmmmieG
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
It would be amazing if the rebels showed some mercy, but nobody else likes hearing "I was just following orders" so why should they?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:23:39pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
Whatever you think of Queen, you can't say they were unoriginal.
Yes I can
"They were unoriginal"
See,, that was easy!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:26:04pm |
re: #199 EmmmieG
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
In a situation like this, hopefully as little as possible.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:26:11pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:27:48pm |
re: #215 EmmmieG
Well, I'm glad that Portland is taking things so seriously.
Portland police acknowledge that rogue ice cream sellers are a problem. Not a big one, though. They don't intend to do anything about it.
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]
This doesn't rise to the level of a page. Just a chuckle.
Rogue ice-cream sellers.
What a world.
Our local ice-cream sellers are Sikh, and have a small pink ice-cream van that tools around the neighborhood.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:28:01pm |
re: #218 Gus 802
Want me to load up a video of Yngwie?
//Zzzz.
It's your time, waste it if you really need to.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:30:24pm |
re: #216 moderatelyradicalliberal
It would be amazing if the rebels showed some mercy, but nobody else likes hearing "I was just following orders" so why should they?
But most people who say that are simply telling the truth, and supporting the wrong side in a war should not be a crime. We didn't try every member of the Wehrmacht.
If they can try people for war crimes, that's one thing--like that young woman--although I think a good court needs to take the coercion some of them faced into account.
The rank and file, if they will accept the new government, need to be allowed to do so.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:30:46pm |
re: #199 EmmmieG
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
Many of whom probably saw the handwriting on the wall, ditched their uniforms and have blended into the populace.
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Gus Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:31:21pm |
re: #223 negativ
It's your time, waste it if you really need to.
I'd rather listen to Frank Sinatra or anyone else. Don't like shredders. Neither their music nor their personalities.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:33:00pm |
re: #199 EmmmieG
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
Depends on who gets a hold of them and under what circumstances. Some may be willing to forgive and forget, others put them on trial and acquit those guilty of nothing, and others may simply tear them limb from limb. Hard to say at this point.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:33:43pm |
re: #216 moderatelyradicalliberal
It would be amazing if the rebels showed some mercy, but nobody else likes hearing "I was just following orders" so why should they?
It depends. If the person was simply conscripted to fight the rebels and did not engage in war crimes, then they should face no punishment. After World War Two, the Allies specifically exempted the 9th and 10th SS Panzer Division from condemnation en masse as war criminals on the grounds that both divisions had consisted of conscripts.
If however, they did engage in war crimes, then it gets a lot more complicated. My own feeling is that while the fact that some such people did have a gun to their head, that only mitigates their guilt, it does not absolve them (this was the Nuremberg standard as well) . It was still wrong of them to murder for Gaddafi, even on pain of death. Ludwig's talked about this and I find myself agreeing with him: If your choice is to murder a helpless person for the tyrant or be killed, the moral thing to do is not aid the tyrant and accept death. I would find such "unwilling executioners' guilty, but then give them a reduced sentence.
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laZardo Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:40:05pm |
re: #199 EmmmieG
This is a good question. What do they do with the thousands of people who fought for Qadaffi under duress?
Same thing they've been doing since the war began. Executin' em.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:41:01pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
For the scum like Qaddafi though, this is much easier.
I can think of ways to punish Qaddafi and his ilk there. I have a reputation among family and close friends of being absolutely vicious if pissed off enough.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:44:05pm |
re: #232 ProLifeLiberal
For the scum like Qaddafi though, this is much easier.
I can think of ways to punish Qaddafi and his ilk there. I have a reputation among family and close friends of being absolutely vicious if pissed off enough.
Indeed. Try them, and if they are found guilty execute them. Hang Gaddafi and his horrible sons Saif and Hannibal, and let the words spoken of them in the moments after their hanging be spoken in the language of the great enemies of Hannibal Gaddafi's namesake:
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 28, 2011 9:47:32pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
Ahh, see I think that isn't enough.
The way Qaddafi did this war and oppression drove me to extreme heights in anger. In that condition, you can think of much, much more.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:03:01pm |
re: #234 ProLifeLiberal
Ahh, see I think that isn't enough.
The way Qaddafi did this war and oppression drove me to extreme heights in anger. In that condition, you can think of much, much more.
I'm really hoping the Libyan rebels establish an honest-to-goodness, West-supporting, Israel-recognizing, secular democracy. Chimerical? Maybe, but a guy can dream. You probably know more about this issue than any of us, so tell me- what do you think are the chances of my hopes becoming reality?
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:07:44pm |
re: #227 Gus 802
I'd rather listen to Frank Sinatra or anyone else. Don't like shredders. Neither their music nor their personalities.
Classic rock has room for you too! The Beatles have Blackbird, Led Zep has Over the Hills and Far Away, Nirvana (yes, I realize I'm stretching the definition of classic rock) has Pennyroyal Tea and Lake of Fire, the Stones have...well, you might want to avoid the Stones.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:09:21pm |
re: #234 ProLifeLiberal
Ahh, see I think that isn't enough.
The way Qaddafi did this war and oppression drove me to extreme heights in anger. In that condition, you can think of much, much more.
Oh, I can think of far worse. But I won't advocate it. I'm not in favor of a torturous method of execution, even for scumbags like Gaddafi. Because how ever much I'd like to use it, the NTC would be stained by using such methods. I'd be fine if they beheaded him, but I'd recommend the noose. It doesn't stir fear of Islam like a beheading would. As it is, the EU (it's quasi-governmental organizations, not the people of Europe) is going to have a a seriously negative reaction if the NTC or a successor government execute Gaddafi or his sons. I'd rather not make that reaction worse just to cause pain to scumbag about to meet the devil.
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freetoken Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:10:36pm |
Austin Ties Breaks All-Time August Heat Record, [Update] Ditto San Antonio
Today is the hottest August day ever in the Austin daily climate history which dates back to 1898. The 112° temperature at 2:26 pm was the highest ever in August and tied for the highest all-time temperature (see below). It also smashed the previous record for the date, set in 1924 and tied in 1990, by 8°.
The high temperature of 110° at San Antonio not only crushed the daily record, set in 1940, by 9°, it also broke the August record by 2°. The all-time record at San Antonio was 111°, also on Sept. 5, 2000. San Antonio climate records began in 1886.
see also...
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:23:30pm |
re: #239 laZardo
Hell, we here in SE Virginia have had to deal with fires, an earthquake, and now a hurricane. I expect to see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse riding by my window any day now.
/
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Alexzander Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:33:39pm |
Slow day today all around.
Did some amateur craft type activities.
Only three threads today on LGF? Anyone awake this evening?
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Atlas Fails Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:37:34pm |
re: #241 Alexzander
Slow day today all around.
Did some amateur craft type activities.
Only three threads today on LGF? Anyone awake this evening?
I've been thinking the exact same thing! So far, we've covered Libya, Zeppelin, and Lady Gaga. Speaking of Led Zep, please enjoy their take on reggae.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:38:35pm |
I'm going to sign off for the night. Goodnight, all.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:03:38pm |
Hey all!
Are the Right Coast Lizards ok?
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freetoken Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:05:12pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:07:44pm |
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freetoken Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:25:57pm |
re: #248 ggt
I assume people are just busy getting ready for a new week... or that Sunday's are slow news days.
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Alexzander Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:27:16pm |
re: #249 freetoken
I assume people are just busy getting ready for a new week... or that Sunday's are slow news days.
I think its because many of us work in the modelling industry and need our beauty sleep.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:34:36pm |
re: #250 Alexzander
I think its because many of us work in the modelling industry and need our beauty sleep.
That's it!
Tonite I"m a little behind, so I'm sitting at the computer with mask on my face and cucumbers over my eyes (to prevent wrinkles).
/
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laZardo Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:52:40pm |
Headan to bed. In the meantime...
/yeah, still no hope in humanity here. 0:
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Alexzander Sun, Aug 28, 2011 11:54:16pm |
re: #252 laZardo
Headan to bed. In the meantime...
/yeah, still no hope in humanity here. 0:
Why not? At least have an interesting or bold analysis.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:01:55am |
I'm up, it's time to Get this Party Started!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:21:07am |
Oh, well, I tried.
Have a great morning all!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:23:46am |
re: #101 Obdicut
[Link: www.authorama.com...]
The number of great works of literature that have sentences starting with "and" and "but" is legion.
Isn't the Bible full of them?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:26:53am |
re: #98 JasonA
A well-put defense of price-gouging. Having seen hoarders first-hand I do understand his point. Not entirely swayed to his position, but he does present it well.
[Video]
Heh. Last time I posted a video of that guy concerning the poll that tested Fox viewers state of being informed, I got pointed out to him being a corporate shill and also a former LGF poster.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:34:00am |
re: #51 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Supply and demand," aka artificially restrict the supply so that the demand will be met at whatever price you choose to charge. What are they going to do, take their business somewhere else?
This is how "Free market" is practiced by many, from energy to health care insurance...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:34:43am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:36:45am |
re: #256 000G
Isn't the Bible full of them?
And it came to pass that the Book of Mormon was also written this way ;)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:38:22am |
re: #257 000G
Heh. Last time I posted a video of that guy concerning the poll that tested Fox viewers state of being informed, I got pointed out to him being a corporate shill and also a former LGF poster.
But it's not a sentence, it's a clause or something.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:38:59am |
re: #135 EmmmieG
When NK finally falls, the stories will render us mute with horror.
They already do.
[Link: www.amnesty.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: maps.google.com...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:39:51am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:42:05am |
re: #261 ggt
My favorite example of a conjunction opening is by Kafka, using the infamous German "denn":
Denn wir sind wie Baumstämme im Schnee. Scheinbar liegen sie glatt auf, und mit kleinem Anstoß sollte man sie wegschieben können. Nein, das kann man nicht, denn sie sind fest mit dem Boden verbunden. Aber sieh, sogar das ist nur scheinbar.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:44:02am |
re: #259 Sergey Romanov
> also a former LGF poster
He is?
I think Obdicut pointed out his being affiliated with some denialist lobby group, and then Gus (or Killgore?) pointed me to the account which I think the posts revealed he was a Paulian. Somebody else also said that he registered several sock puppets on LGF.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:45:17am |
re: #264 000G
I like "denn" becasue it leaves the verb in place in the following clause. With all other conjunctions, the verb to the the end of the sentence moved must be.
Which me dippy drives...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:47:08am |
re: #265 000G
I think Obdicut pointed out his being affiliated with some denialist lobby group, and then Gus (or Killgore?) pointed me to the account which I think the posts revealed he was a Paulian. Somebody else also said that he registered several sock puppets on LGF.
YoungLibertarian, or am I thinking of another person?
Oh well, Rush is still a honorary Lizardoid, so what gives ;)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:51:01am |
re: #264 000G
My favorite example of a conjunction opening is by Kafka, using the infamous German "denn":
I don't know much German.
I do like using sau (sp) because is sounds so good when name-calling.
:)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:52:18am |
re: #268 ggt
I don't know much German.
I do like using sau (sp) because is sounds so good when name-calling.
:)
Kein Schwein ruft mich an,
Keine Sau interessiert sich fuer mich...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:53:42am |
re: #269 Sergey Romanov
Kein Schwein ruft mich an,
Keine Sau interessiert sich fuer mich...
can you translate?
pleez?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:55:24am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:56:40am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:57:27am |
I only studied Latin (which I don't remember too much of) so the non-Romance languages mystify me.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:58:03am |
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:00:35am |
re: #268 ggt
I don't know much German.
I do like using sau (sp) because is sounds so good when name-calling.
:)
"Sau" is also a form of enhancing modifier: "saugut" is the equivalent of "bitchin" and "Sauwetter" is pig-lousy weather, "Sauerei" is a word for a sloppy mess.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:02:35am |
re: #275 ralphieboy
"Sau" is also a form of enhancing modifier "saugut" is the equivalent of "bitchin" and "Sauwetter" is pig-lousy weather, "Sauerei" is a word for a sloppy mess.
One of the books I read (listened to) this year was set in Germany and the kids used Sau alot. As a preface to "man" or "woman".
It was great on audio!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:07:34am |
I polish my toe nails and the Cat Overlord decides it's time to come over and brush by my feet.
Why?
I think it's a nice shade of red.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:10:26am |
Then he decided to wake-up the puppy.
I swear I've been good.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:12:40am |
re: #278 ggt
Then he decided to wake-up the puppy.
I swear I've been good.
Cats have entirely different concept of good and evil.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:16:18am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:44:54am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:46:22am |
re: #282 sattv4u2
Already?
AGAIN!!!
I know!! We need to slow the Sun down a bit. It revolves around the Earth WAY to fast.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:49:58am |
re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know!! We need to slow the Sun down a bit. It revolves around the Earth WAY to fast.
So ,,, I always know when the vehicle my son drives needs gas
Last night he came home just before I was leaving for work. He said could I take the Explorer as it seemed to be making a noise
The noise was ,,, THE LOW GAS LEVEL ALARM!!
{mumble grumble mumble}
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:50:22am |
Officer: "M'am, I'll need to see some ID".
Woman: "Hold on officer, it's in here somewhere. That's my pot, my oxy, my valium, methadone, oh wait, here it is"!
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:51:18am |
re: #284 sattv4u2
Just disconnect the alarm. Problem solved.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:52:34am |
Why the hell did I wake up this early?
I blame society.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:52:43am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:53:59am |
re: #287 Obdicut
Why the hell did I wake up this early?
I blame society.
Don't know about you, but I HAVE to be awake
((some sort of trivial job requirement thing!)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:54:02am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:55:51am |
re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar
Officer: "M'am, I'll need to see some ID".
Woman: "Hold on officer, it's in here somewhere. That's my pot, my oxy, my valium, methadone, oh wait, here it is"!
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
heh ,,, I like the ones where the person calls the cops because they want to report they got short changed on a drug deal
"Officer,, could you please weigh this,,, they told me it was an ounce, but I don't think it's even CLOSE"
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:57:08am |
re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just explain to him the joys of joining a cult.
We've tried, but he looks silly in a top knot !
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:59:23am |
re: #291 sattv4u2
A friend of mine was arrested for "felony possession of marijuana over one ounce". He didn't get charged with trafficking because his pound and a half of weed was in one trash bag. And those baggies and the triple beam on his dresser aren't illegal.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:02:04am |
re: #293 Cannadian Club Akbar
A friend of mine was arrested for "felony possession of marijuana over one ounce". He didn't get charged with trafficking because his pound and a half of weed was in one trash bag. And those baggies and the triple beam on his dresser aren't illegal.
Your honor ,,, I'm on a strict diet and before I bag my sandwiches to go to work I have to weigh them!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:07:32am |
Michele Bachmann was in Sarasota yesterday. I was gonna go see her but I had a nap scheduled that I couldn't cancel.:(
/
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:09:27am |
re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar
Michele Bachmann was in Sarasota yesterday. I was gonna go see her but I had a nap scheduled that I couldn't cancel.:(
/
At least you have your priorities in order!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:17:11am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:18:55am |
re: #299 sattv4u2
Thats already been done!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
OK, then ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!
oh wait, wrong one
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:23:06am |
I wonder if ESPN is gonna fire itself.
[Link: espn.go.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:27:01am |
re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar
Michele Bachmann was in Sarasota yesterday. I was gonna go see her but I had a nap scheduled that I couldn't cancel.:(
/
Not to mention the restraining order she has against you for sending all those photos of yourself in nothing but a jock strap!
((btw ,,, you should know you're not supposed to wear that over your head like a helmet))
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:28:14am |
re: #301 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wonder if ESPN is gonna fire itself.
[Link: espn.go.com...]
They covered themselves
Last sentence
And that has nothing to do with race.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:33:55am |
re: #304 sattv4u2
I'll have to call bullshit on the "LA Freeways" pic. Last time I was there I had to smoke on the balcony of my hotel. Fucking 405 was packed at 2AM.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:35:59am |
re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll have to call bullshit on the "LA Freeways" pic. Last time I was there I had to smoke on the balcony of my hotel. Fucking 405 was packed at 2AM.
you brought the big bong, huh?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:40:43am |
re: #306 sattv4u2
I went LA 4 times in 18 months. Twice I stayed at the same hotel in Brentwood. Had steak, tater, salad, veggies. Room service. Was about $16. Awesome both times.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:42:36am |
Irreducible complexity:
[Link: www.wimp.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:44:28am |
re: #308 Sergey Romanov
Irreducible complexity:
[Link: www.wimp.com...]
It was all fun and games until Uri noticed that Alexander had a stiffy!
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:45:16am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
It was all fun and games until Uri noticed that Alexander had a stiffy!
//
An irreducibly complex situation arose!
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:46:37am |
re: #301 Cannadian Club Akbar
What a freaking asinine article.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:53:28am |
I found my first ex wife!!!
//
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:56:28am |
re: #313 Obdicut
Ah, Baltimore.
Read the comment by Concerned American 99 and the follow up by StrawHat. Funny.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:58:18am |
re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar
Concerned American 99 beat her to the bottle!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:59:04am |
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:59:26am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:01:49am |
re: #317 Obdicut
OMG!! If I were the producer I wouldn't have been able to yell GO TO COMMERCIAL loud enough.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:03:34am |
re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe he'd been drinking with the producer.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:08:21am |
re: #319 Obdicut
Maybe he'd been drinking with the producer.
Years ago I was in a McD's drive through. Top of the hour news came on the radio, quick headline recap. The woman doing the news was hammered. Called my friend and told him to turn it on. Her actual newscast started at :01. My boy was like WTF. I didn't hear from her for a while but she is back doing part time traffic.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:10:03am |
re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar
Years ago I was in a McD's drive through. Top of the hour news came on the radio, quick headline recap. The woman doing the news was hammered. Called my friend and told him to turn it on. Her actual newscast started at :01. My boy was like WTF. I didn't hear from her for a while but she is back doing part time traffic.
Again, trying to convince us you have a friend!!!
//
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:11:51am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:12:34am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
Again, trying to convince us you have a friend!!!
//
FWIW, he's not my friend anymore.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:13:04am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:14:15am |
re: #325 sattv4u2
aHAH!
Yea. He owes me about $3000. Tell ya what, you give me the money and I'll call it even.
/
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:15:45am |
re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea. He owes me about $3000. Tell ya what, you give me the money and I'll call it even.
/
People lose more friends (and relatives) that way!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:16:22am |
re: #322 RogueOne
Morning folks!
I got us some concert tickets!! Be here Wednesday.
[Link: www.livenation.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:18:00am |
re: #328 Cannadian Club Akbar
I got us some concert tickets!! Be here Wednesday.
[Link: www.livenation.com...]
ummm,, the concert it TUESDAY
THATS why you don't have friends!!
///
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:22:10am |
re: #328 Cannadian Club Akbar
I got us some concert tickets!! Be here Wednesday.
[Link: www.livenation.com...]
Yeah, I'm going to have to miss that one. We are planning a family trip to FLA for next spring. My wife and I, my folks, and my in-laws. I'm not big on family outings. I might need to crash at your place for a couple days.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:23:39am |
re: #330 RogueOne
Yeah, I'm going to have to miss that one. We are planning a family trip to FLA for next spring. My wife and I, my folks, and my in-laws. I'm not big on family outings. I might need to crash at your place for a couple days.
Good to give him notice
Gives him time to clean the human remains out of his freezer
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:24:08am |
re: #330 RogueOne
Yeah, I'm going to have to miss that one. We are planning a family trip to FLA for next spring. My wife and I, my folks, and my in-laws. I'm not big on family outings. I might need to crash at your place for a couple days.
Make sure to bring your SiL.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:25:55am |
re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar
Make sure to bring your SiL.
I think you missed your shot. Her "old and unemployed" bf phase was last year.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:26:14am |
re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar
Be sure=Make sure. Sheesh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:27:52am |
re: #333 RogueOne
I think you missed your shot. Her "old and unemployed" bf phase was last year.
Maybe she's ready for the "co-dependance" phase.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:33:47am |
re: #335 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe she's ready for the "co-dependance" phase.
She does have daddy issues. She's an easy target.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:34:25am |
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:38:18am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
It was all fun and games until Uri noticed that Alexander had a stiffy!
//
Worst party ever.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:41:33am |
I missed the Bush-Nat'l Geo interview last night. Anyone catch it?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:43:19am |
re: #339 RogueOne
I missed the Bush-Nat'l Geo interview last night. Anyone catch it?
I did. Was good. I like NatGeo. They also showed a redux of "Inside 9/11" with updated stuff, like the Osama double tap. They're doing a thing on KSM tonight.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:43:31am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:45:25am |
re: #339 RogueOne
I missed the Bush-Nat'l Geo interview last night. Anyone catch it?
damn,,, forgot to record it (I'm sure I can find a replay)
Didn't get home till after 4 p.m. (after a 16+ hour overnight shift at work) and was sleeping for a few hours before heading back in here (work) for 11 p.m.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:50:58am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
It was posted online 15 minutes after it ended. If I can't find it in the on-demand stuff I'll know where to get it.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:55:52am |
re: #343 RogueOne
It was posted online 15 minutes after it ended. If I can't find it in the on-demand stuff I'll know where to get it.
n/p,, and thanks
I'm sure they'll (NatGeo) will replay it
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:57:06am |
Watching CNN; An overhead shot of a house on fire in NJ, surrounded by water.
The talking head thing said, "See that picture. That is a house. It is on fire. Surrounded by water."
A picture says a thousand words and all that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 3:58:45am |
I can't wait for this show:
[Link: gfbrobot.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:01:20am |
re: #345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Watching CNN; An overhead shot of a house on fire in NJ, surrounded by water.
The talking head thing said, "See that picture. That is a house. It is on fire. Surrounded by water."
A picture says a thousand words and all that.
to me, what's worse is a radio newsperson being "on the scene" of a (lets say) warehouse fire from yesterday
I mean, I would believe the in studio newsperson to tell me how much damage the structure sustained. I can't see it anyway!!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:02:43am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:04:23am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:04:36am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:05:13am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:07:21am |
re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar
He might if he attends that party!!!
Sleazy lizards, turned a nice party trick into a gay Kamasutra!!1
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:14:35am |
Awww. They just said that Vermont has lost 6 covered bridges. That sucks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:19:56am |
re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Awww. They just said that Vermont has lost 6 covered bridges. That sucks.
Did a google. Found many stories about one and one story via twitter that said 5. I'll send my friend there an email.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:25:20am |
re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Well, that's what I heard!"
-Ghostbusters
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:26:59am |
re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Awww. They just said that Vermont has lost 6 covered bridges. That sucks.
Too bad, but hopefully they're the replicas and not any of the originals
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:30:23am |
re: #357 sattv4u2
I've wondered why the made covered bridges; just found that a wooden bridge lasts 9-15 years. Covered bridge 80-90 years.
They should re-build them with concrete. Rebar reinforced. Steel guardrails. Those are quaint.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:31:56am |
There were no mandatory evacuations ahead of the storm. Cadran said many dismissed the prospect that a hurricane -- that hits land about 120 miles away -- could do serious damage in Vermont.
"We get hurricanes here, and everybody kind of jokes about it saying, 'Please, we're so far inland,' " he said. "It's unlike anything that anyone in town has ever seen. People are totally in shock."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:32:20am |
re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've wondered why the made covered bridges; just found that a wooden bridge lasts 9-15 years. Covered bridge 80-90 years.
They should re-build them with concrete. Rebar reinforced. Steel guardrails. Those are quaint.
here's one thats close to where I live
[Link: www.n-georgia.com...]
Concerned about the possibility of fire, this bridge is equipped with cameras, smoke detectors, and a sprinkler system.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:33:12am |
re: #360 sattv4u2
How do you get your car through that little gate?
/
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:33:46am |
This is what the walkout during this years session was all about:
Ind. vouchers prompt thousands to change schools
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Weeks after Indiana began the nation's broadest school voucher program, thousands of students have transferred from public to private schools, causing a spike in enrollment at some Catholic institutions that were only recently on the brink of closing for lack of pupils.
It's a scenario public school advocates have long feared: Students fleeing local districts in large numbers, taking with them vital tax dollars that often end up at parochial schools. Opponents say the practice violates the separation of church and state.
In at least one district, public school principals have been pleading with parents not to move their children.
"The bottom line from our perspective is, when you cut through all the chaff, nobody can deny that public money is going to be taken from public schools, and they're going to end up in private, mostly religious schools," said Nate Schnellenberger, president of the Indiana State Teachers Association.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:34:46am |
This ones close by also, and IS an old one
[Link: www.n-georgia.com...]
This bridge was built in 1891
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:35:39am |
re: #361 Cannadian Club Akbar
How do you get your car through that little gate?
/
Buy a little car!!
(btw ,,, thats not a picture of "the" bridge,, don't know why there's not a photo of the actual one on their site)
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:37:01am |
Morning Honcos! Irene took my power Saturday night. Finally borrowed a generator yesterday afternoon. Power came on 1.5 hours after I got all the cabling and such run for the generator. Grrrrrr.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:37:28am |
re: #362 RogueOne
nobody can deny that public money is going to be taken from public schools, and they're going to end up in private, mostly religious schools," said Nate Schnellenberger,
Dear Nate
That "public money" came from "private citizens"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:37:54am |
I drove either Route 4 or 7 in Vermont and the states it goes through to get there. Was awesome.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:38:10am |
You drive on a covered bridge? Next thing you know? You've got a "Handbook for the Recently Deceased".
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:38:19am |
re: #365 rwdflynavy
Morning Honcos! Irene took my power Saturday night. Finally borrowed a generator yesterday afternoon. Power came on 1.5 hours after I got all the cabling and such run for the generator. Grrr.
Well..at least you can add GENERATOR INSTALLER on your resume!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:39:08am |
re: #365 rwdflynavy
Did you call the power company? I hear that helps.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:39:58am |
re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you call the power company? I hear that helps.
Helps what, raise your blood pressure??
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:40:03am |
re: #369 sattv4u2
Well..at least you can add GENERATOR INSTALLER on your resume!
I'm seriously considering getting one. They are pretty handy compared to emptying 3 refrigerators and 1 chest freezer into 5 coolers!
It's all about the resume.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:40:31am |
re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you call the power company? I hear that helps.
I called them several things.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:40:42am |
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:40:55am |
re: #372 rwdflynavy
I'm seriously considering getting one. They are pretty handy compared to emptying 3 refrigerators and 1 chest freezer into 5 coolers!
It's all about the resume.
You're a Navy CPT...shouldn't you have people to do that manual labor shit for you? What's the point of the promotion if you can't throw your weight around?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:41:13am |
re: #372 rwdflynavy
I'm seriously considering getting one. They are pretty handy compared to emptying 3 refrigerators and 1 chest freezer into 5 coolers!
It's all about the resume.
heh,, ANOTHER resume line
Food Storage Management Professional!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:41:15am |
re: #375 RogueOne
You're a Navy CPT...shouldn't you have people to do that manual labor shit for you? What's the point of the promotion if you can't throw your weight around?
pay raise!
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:42:20am |
re: #377 rwdflynavy
pay raise!
why when you're just going to waste in on Train tix and margaritas. I pay your salary! (//) I expect a better return on my money. You need to go slap someone around today or I might file a complaint.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:42:22am |
re: #376 sattv4u2
heh,, ANOTHER resume line
Food Storage Management Professional!
Or, and I'm just throwing this out there, he could have kept the fridge closed. Just sayin'.
//
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:43:14am |
re: #378 RogueOne
why when you're just going to waste in on Train tix and margaritas. I pay your salary! (//) I expect a better return on my money. You need to go slap someone around today or I might file a complaint.
I'm taking my oldest son to see Weird Al in October.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:43:33am |
re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or, and I'm just throwing this out there, he could have kept the fridge closed. Just sayin'.
//
Only if he doesn't have a teenager (or my wife) who stands in front of the open fridge for 15-20 minutes pondering their future caloric intake
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:44:12am |
re: #380 rwdflynavy
I'm taking my oldest son to see Weird Al in October.
That's a good use of tax payer money, that's something I can support.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:44:23am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can I go?
Come on up! We have a guest room, a pool and a pond. Pond would be good for you.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:44:46am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can I go?
we wish you were already GONE !
/
(I tease, because I love)
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:45:17am |
re: #384 rwdflynavy
Come on up! We have a guest room, a pool and a pond. Pond would be good for you.
Why don't you want him in your pool? Was that a fat joke?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:45:38am |
re: #380 rwdflynavy
I'm taking my oldest son to see Weird Al in October.
Is he the guy that walks around downtown talking to the pigeons?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:46:05am |
re: #386 RogueOne
Why don't you want him in your pool? Was that a fat joke?
I hope it was. I gave an upding.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:46:39am |
re: #386 RogueOne
Why don't you want him in your pool? Was that a fat joke?
It's a line from Caddyshack you cretin
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:47:08am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:47:40am |
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:47:44am |
re: #389 rwdflynavy
It's a line from Caddyshack you cretin
I get the impression you've spent too much time on boats watching movies.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:48:10am |
re: #392 RogueOne
I get the impression you've spent too much time on boats watching movies.
You have no idea.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:48:18am |
re: #392 RogueOne
I get the impression you've spent too much time on boats watching movies.
Gladiator movies?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:48:54am |
re: #380 rwdflynavy
I really would love to see Weird Al. But, I might immediately start killing nerds who know every word to every parody. (You and your son, excepted, of course).
Sing-alongers at concerts are the bane and torment of my life.
Yeah, my life is not very bane or torment filled.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:50:20am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really would love to see Weird Al. But, I might immediately stop killing nerds who know every word to every parody. (You and your son, excepted, of course).
Sing-alongers at concerts are the bane and torment of my life.
Yeah, my life is not very bane or torment filled.
"Breakdown" live by Tom Petty is the exception.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:51:03am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really would love to see Weird Al. But, I might immediately stop killing nerds who know every word to every parody. (You and your son, excepted, of course).
Sing-alongers at concerts are the bane and torment of my life.
Yeah, my life is not very bane or torment filled.
The offer stands if you want to come. It is mid-Oct.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:52:48am |
re: #392 RogueOne
I get the impression you've spent too much time on boats watching movies.
I only recall ever walking out of a movie on the boat once. It was a movie called Man's Best Friend starring Ally Sheedy. Terrible movie.,
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:54:12am |
re: #398 rwdflynavy
I only recall ever walking out of a movie on the boat once. It was a movie called Man's Best Friend starring Ally Sheedy. Terrible movie.,
I once walked out of a movie on a cross country flight
Don't ask!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:54:49am |
re: #396 Cannadian Club Akbar
I went to see Alison Krauss and Robert Plant a couple of years ago. Stood up at my section after it got close to filled and announced that "This is a no singing along section, folks. I did not pay 80 bucks a ticket to hear you guys sing, okay?"
Rather than getting indignant "I payed 80 bucks too, and you can kiss my ass; I'll sing if I want to"... I got head nods and a couple of "Damn right!". So, no one sang a note.
It was a glorious concert.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:57:09am |
re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe you need to go to shows where they play at a volume high enough to make your ears bleed for days and drown out the people around you. I'm going to this show in a few weeks:
[Link: www.livenation.com...]
It's always a fun crowd and it will be loud. You're welcome to come, I'll even let you in the pool.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 4:57:17am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:02:38am |
Lizards,
I'm off to class. Today's discussions include, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and a few of Madison's Federalist Papers.
Stay scaly!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:04:10am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:06:48am |
re: #403 Obdicut
Unlike that guy? I care what I think.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:08:33am |
Morning, Lizards. It's feeling quite like Autumn outside this morning.
I must go on the record to say as much as I don't like Chris Christie, he handled the Hurricane Irene situation like a total pro. I listened to his presser last night while driving home, and I gotta give him high marks for his handling of the crisis.
Damn, it hurt to say that, but it's true. The guy's a-hole factor went down quite a bit this weekend AFAIC.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:08:53am |
WTF. I think my friend's AC might have just popped.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:09:57am |
re: #408 makeitstop
I kind of like a guy that might use "This fuckin' Congress ovah heah" during a State of the Union address.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:10:44am |
re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar
WTF. I think my friend's AC might have just popped.
Why are you popping your friends unit?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:14:35am |
Forgot to take the garbage up the hill. Thank goodness the "guy" comes down the other way; I was able to take it across the street.
My life gets... complicated when I forget to take the garbage up.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:16:28am |
re: #412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Forgot to take the garbage up the hill. Thank goodness the "guy" comes down the other way; I was able to take it across the street.
My life gets... complicated when I forget to take the garbage up.
TRANSLATION
"I have a wife"
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kirkspencer Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:16:50am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really would love to see Weird Al. But, I might immediately start killing nerds who know every word to every parody. (You and your son, excepted, of course).
Sing-alongers at concerts are the bane and torment of my life.
Yeah, my life is not very bane or torment filled.
No, there are worse. That's the nerds who know almost every word to every parody, who can only carry a tune after committing gross butchery upon it, yet still insist on "singing along" (for such they insist upon calling it).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:18:25am |
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:19:12am |
I just made the command decision to take the day off. I don't have any quotes due for days, fabrication work can wait, and I'm completely unmotivated to get dirty today. I need a break from a busy weekend of running around and eating entirely too much.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:20:30am |
re: #416 RogueOne
I just made the command decision to take the day off. I don't have any quotes due for days, fabrication work can wait, and I'm completely unmotivated to get dirty today. I need a break from a busy weekend of running around and eating entirely too much.
BFD. I've done that for 3 years now.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:24:45am |
re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar
BFD. I've done that for 3 years now.
You're being proactive, getting a head start on early retirement.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:28:41am |
re: #362 RogueOne
Apples and oranges: private schools can restrict or limit enrolment, they can kick out students who violate codes of conduct and rules of dress and behavior.
Public schools have to take everybody and can expel students only when their behavior grows to threaten others.
So let us continue the voucher system on a level plaing field: applications on a first-come, first -serve basis and once a students enrol in the private system, the schools have to keep them until they graduate, regardless of their behavior...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:31:33am |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
And for any wingnuts watching this blog tonight, here's your Palin fix of the day.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:34:50am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:35:32am |
re: #419 ralphieboy
So let us continue the voucher system on a level plaing field: applications on a first-come, first -serve basis and once a students enrol in the private system, the schools have to keep them until they graduate, regardless of their behavior...
I still say, since the private sector is so superior in all things, let the parents go beg some rich benefactors for tuition money, instead of shaking down non-religious people for money for their nasty, exclusionist schools.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:37:45am |
re: #419 ralphieboy
Joe Clark: Do whatever you have to to transform and transmogrify this school into a special place where the hearts and souls and minds of the young can rise.
[more clapping in agreement]
Joe Clark: Where they can grow tall and blossom out from under the shadows of the past. Where the minds of the young are set free. And I gave my word to God, and that's why I threw those bastards out
[the crowd starts to shout in both agreement and protest]
Joe Clark: And that's all I'm gonna say!
-Lean On Me
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:38:01am |
re: #419 ralphieboy
all fine points, and I agree with most of them, but my only point was the voucher program is the main reason for the walkout during the IN legislative season. A few years ago IN decided that people could take their kids to whatever school they chose within the county school district instead of being tied to just one. The voucher program, while small so far, is only adding to the mass exodus of the largest school districts who also rate at the bottom of the ISTEP (testing) scale.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:41:34am |
If we go back and edit something is it proper form to advise of that edit somehow?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:43:15am |
re: #425 RogueOne
If we go back and edit something is it proper form to advise of that edit somehow?
If someone is already here, they won't see the edit until they refresh. But you can put a disclaimer with the edit if you want.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:44:07am |
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:46:33am |
re: #424 RogueOne
The voucher system represents an obsession with Free marekt principles in an area where they apply only to a very limited extent. Like the US postal service.
Or health care.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:46:39am |
re: #426 Cannadian Club Akbar
If someone is already here, they won't see the edit until they refresh. But you can put a disclaimer with the edit if you want.
which you're saying they won't see until they refresh? I don't think you thought your plan all the way through.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:48:04am |
re: #425 RogueOne
If we go back and edit something is it proper form to advise of that edit somehow?
If you have significantly altered the content of the post, it seems only reasonable. If you have just ficksed the spellinge then it doesn't mattre
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:48:13am |
re: #430 RogueOne
which you're saying they won't see until they refresh? I don't think you thought your plan all the way through.
Then why advise about an edit?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:50:38am |
re: #430 RogueOne
A few minutes I typed "stop killing folks" and I meant "start killing folks". There's a subtle difference between those two phrases so I saw it within the time window and changed it.
Didn't think it was necessary to inform folks. If that were the case, I'd just quote it and fix it and say "FTFM".
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:52:33am |
Co-worker just arrived with a bag of fresh bagels
He didn't bring any cream cheese!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:53:15am |
This movie has been edited to fit into the allotted air time. Enjoy the next 30 commercials.
/
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:53:41am |
re: #429 ralphieboy
The voucher system represents an obsession with Free marekt principles in an area where they apply only to a very limited extent. Like the US postal service.
Or health care.
So if free market principles apply only to a limited extent should we just not bother with the idea of giving people, who are already paying the bills for the school district, options? When given the option people left the worst schools in droves without vouchers. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that there might be private schools that are better fits for some students who don't have parents that can afford to drive them to another school district.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:53:44am |
re: #434 sattv4u2
Co-worker just arrived with a bag of fresh bagels
He didn't bring any cream cheese!
Tell him to go back to the store.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:54:50am |
re: #433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A few minutes I typed "stop killing folks" and I meant "start killing folks". There's a subtle difference between those two phrases so I saw it within the time window and changed it.
Didn't think it was necessary to inform folks. If that were the case, I'd just quote it and fix it and say "FTFM".
Jesus, you were planning a rampage and I missed it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:54:55am |
re: #434 sattv4u2
She don't use butter;
She don't use cheese;
She don't use jelly;
Or any of these;
She uses Vaseline.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:55:25am |
re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tell him to go back to the store.
Already told him
His answer
"They forgot to ask me if I wanted any!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:55:34am |
re: #438 RogueOne
Jesus, you were planning a rampage and I missed it.
It's all in the nuance of the words we use.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:56:40am |
re: #441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's all in the nuance of the words we use.
In your case, the words are more like a nuisance!
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:57:04am |
re: #440 sattv4u2
Already told him
His answer
"They forgot to ask me if I wanted any!"
Some people just can't do it for themselves, I guess. Sheesh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:57:16am |
re: #434 sattv4u2
Co-worker just arrived with a bag of fresh bagels
He didn't bring any cream cheese!
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:57:37am |
re: #436 RogueOne
I like the idea of options. And I am not opposing voucher system aas a matter of principle, I just also happen to favor the notion of a level playing field.
As I mentioned earlier, private schools are not subject to the same rules and regulations regarding enrolment and expulsion of unruly students as private schools.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:57:56am |
re: #429 ralphieboy
The voucher system represents an obsession with Free marekt principles in an area where they apply only to a very limited extent. Like the US postal service.
Or health care.
Voucher "Free market principles" = give me money to send my brats to exclusionary schools while I trot out the urban students I'm trying to get my brats away from in the first place, as if vouchers are some altruistic labor of love for the poor chillllldrennnn.
/con bullshit
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:59:23am |
re: #445 ralphieboy
I like the idea of options. And I am not opposing voucher system aas a matter of principle, I just also happen to favor the notion of a level playing field.
Then you are a communist, who is very French!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:01:31am |
re: #446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
/con bullshit
Yes,, because only "cons" send their children to private schools!
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:01:33am |
Why should we pay for an inefficient police and justice system when we could have a much more efficient private option, one that is not hindered by things like haebeas corpus and due process?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:02:40am |
re: #449 sattv4u2
/con bullshit
Yes,, because only "cons" send their children to private schools!
No, cons are the ones making that bullshit argument.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:04:35am |
re: #450 ralphieboy
Why should we pay for an inefficient police and justice system when we could have a much more efficient private option, one that is not hindered by things like haebeas corpus and due process?
The private sector is superior in all things. People who send their children to private schools are superior parents. Children who graduate from them are superior individuals.
Why do you hate the idea of a free choice!!! Are you French!!!
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:06:06am |
re: #452 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
People who send their children to private schools are superior parents. Children who graduate from them are superior individuals.
Why do you hate the idea of a free choice!!! Are you French!!!
Actually, it is the British approach to send the elite to private schools, as it makes them superior individuals, the ones the Empire needs to expand across the globe...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:07:19am |
When my son was born; we lived in a school district that we did not want my son going to school in. We were fortunate that we had the ability to move to better school district; so we did.
It took five years to get together the money to do that, but we did.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:08:10am |
re: #454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
When my son was born; we lived in a school district that we did not want my son going to school in. We were fortunate that we had the ability to move to better school district; so we did.
This is the situation I find myself in, only without the option of moving. Our most likely recourse is homeschooling, as I somehow doubt the local Catholic school would let our heathen Protestant son in.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:10:03am |
re: #455 thedopefishlives
This is the situation I find myself in, only without the option of moving. Our most likely recourse is homeschooling, as I somehow doubt the local Catholic school would let our heathen Protestant son in.
Oh, they will if you can afford it.
I was at a Catholic Mass once and a lady invited me back, I said, "Oh, I'm here with a friend. I'm a Protestant."
She exclaimed, "Oh! They make the best Catholics!"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:10:37am |
If private schools didn't teach religion and anti-science bs, I think the opposition to vouchers would have been less significant. As such, vouchers violate the separation of religion and state.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:11:25am |
re: #446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Voucher "Free market principles" = give me money to send my brats to exclusionary schools while I trot out the urban students I'm trying to get my brats away from in the first place, as if vouchers are some altruistic labor of love for the poor chillldrennn.
/con bullshit
Are you arguing that urban parents wouldn't want vouchers? Until they expanded it this year the voucher program was only for poorer parents in lousy school districts and it was a popular program. This isn't a program for the wealthy, they can already afford to send their kids to private schools or they live in areas with public schools that are already good.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:11:44am |
re: #456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, they will if you can afford it.
QFT. It all depends on the school, but Protestant private schools can be much more exclusionary than Catholic ones.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:12:04am |
Dear God,
Since you seem to be whispering in the ears of a few presidential candidates, could you tell them to lay off the 'message from God you' bullshit for a while?
“I don’t know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We’ve had an earthquake; we’ve had a hurricane. He said, ‘Are you going to start listening to me here?’ Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we’ve got to rein in the spending.”
Enough of this, plz.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:12:53am |
re: #457 Sergey Romanov
If private schools didn't teach religion and anti-science bs, I think the opposition to vouchers would have been less significant. As such, vouchers violate the separation of religion and state.
Not in the case of IN. The vouchers are given directly to the parents and not the school.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:13:33am |
re: #455 thedopefishlives
This is the situation I find myself in, only without the option of moving. Our most likely recourse is homeschooling, as I somehow doubt the local Catholic school would let our heathen Protestant son in.
Catholic schools are pretty open about teaching non-Catholics. As long as you don't complain seeing a crucifix around they'll have no problem with you. They are very good schools.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:13:56am |
re: #458 RogueOne
Are you arguing that urban parents wouldn't want vouchers?
Nope. I'm saying the "vouchers for urban parents" argument is dishonest, and tokenistic. It's usually made by people with extreme disdain for cities, and everyone in them, anyway.
People should just come out and say they demand tax money for exclusionary schools.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:13:59am |
re: #459 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That appears to be true. I'm not sure why.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:14:33am |
re: #461 RogueOne
Not in the case of IN. The vouchers are given directly to the parents and not the school.
No diff.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:14:38am |
re: #462 Killgore Trout
Catholic schools are pretty open about teaching non-Catholics. As long as you don't complain seeing a crucifix around they'll have no problem with you. They are very good schools.
I may have to send this idea to the Mrs. Fish for approval. Money is somewhat of an object, but I'm prepared to pay just about any cost to avoid the public school he'd be sent to.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:15:57am |
re: #466 thedopefishlives
I may have to send this idea to the Mrs. Fish for approval. Money is somewhat of an object, but I'm prepared to pay just about any cost to avoid the public school he'd be sent to.
I don't blame you. If I had kids I wouldn't send them to public schools either.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:17:36am |
re: #466 thedopefishlives
I may have to send this idea to the Mrs. Fish for approval. Money is somewhat of an object, but I'm prepared to pay just about any cost to avoid the public school he'd be sent to.
We found it was actually cheaper to move. Private schools can cost 10 grand a year and more. Hell, I'd rather add a grand to my mortgage and write off the interest and send them to better public schools.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:17:46am |
re: #467 Killgore Trout
I don't blame you. If I had kids I wouldn't send them to public schools either.
I don't necessarily mind public school; I went to a couple of different rural public schools and I turned out just fine.* But I'm a long way from home, and the school system we live in is a notorious drug haven, and I'd rather keep my kids away from that as much as possible.
*"Fine" is a relative measure, obviously.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:17:58am |
re: #458 RogueOne
The argument is starting to sound like the "single payer" argument when it comes to healthcare: when private schools can cherry-pick the best students just like health insurance companies can pick the best risk portfolios, the entire system is skewered.
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William of Orange Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:18:19am |
Clap your hands for the National Guard!!
Nothing stops them, they've got balls! Kodos!!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:19:23am |
re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That appears to be true. I'm not sure why.
I think a lot of it is just a majoritarian superiority trip. In the US, there are a lot of Protestant groups that are utterly rabid against Catholicism. The one I was sent to was of the Reformed branch. They didn't allow Catholic students, Catholic teachers, Catholic anything, looked down on them, and taught that they were our inferiors.
Sorry, I don't want my tax money going anywhere near schools like that. Let parents who can't afford it go grovel to some superior private sector source for their tuition money.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:19:50am |
re: #471 William of Orange
Clap your hands for the National Guard!!
Nothing stops them, they've got balls! Kodos!!
How the...
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:21:16am |
re: #465 Sergey Romanov
No diff.
I disagree. Not allowing families to choose to send their kids to accredited schools that also happen to be religious would be discriminatory and a violation of the 1st amendment. As long as the school passes state accreditation then it isn't any of my business if the guy next door wants to send his kids to a catholic school, an atheist school, a madrassa, or the Church of the FSM.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:22:19am |
re: #471 William of Orange
I didn't see the part where they had to swim away. That's fuckin' funny.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:23:16am |
re: #474 RogueOne
Of course they should be able to, on their own buck. Tax money should not sponsor religious institutions, period.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:24:34am |
re: #474 RogueOne
I disagree. Not allowing families to choose to send their kids to accredited schools that also happen to be religious would be discriminatory and a violation of the 1st amendment.
No, it isn't. They don't have to use state money for private schools in the first place. If the public sector is so inefficient, they shouldn't be demanding public money for religious schools.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:26:30am |
re: #467 Killgore Trout
I don't blame you. If I had kids I wouldn't send them to public schools either.
Depends on the school. Private does not mean superior. There are a lot of dimwitted students and parents at private schools.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:28:40am |
re: #462 Killgore Trout
Catholic schools are pretty open about teaching non-Catholics. As long as you don't complain seeing a crucifix around they'll have no problem with you. They are very good schools.
Jewish schools do not admit non-Jews. IIRC there was a big court case about this in the UK.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:30:20am |
re: #476 Sergey Romanov
Of course they should be able to, on their own buck. Tax money should not sponsor religious institutions, period.
What about non-secular hospitals, charities, adoption services, etc..? Most of the people in the US are religious people, I think it would be discriminatory to force them to set aside their religious values when choosing how to spend what is essentially their money. Tax income is not the governments money, its our money. I'm an atheist who pays taxes into the school district. I don't feel like my money is going to sponsor anything other than an education.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:30:28am |
re: #472 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'd venture that Catholic Schools are much more ingrained in the culture than Protestant ones. The Catholic School in my town is pretty large (for a private school) the Protestant ones (there are five or six) are a tenth of the Catholic School's size.
The non-parochial private prep-school (ie... 15k per year) is pretty big, but a third of the size of the Catholic School.
My city is probably 5% Catholic, 1/2% Jewish, 1/200% Muslim, 90% Protestant. But the Catholic School is by far the largest private school.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:30:46am |
re: #474 RogueOne
. As long as the school passes state accreditation then it isn't any of my business if the guy next door wants to send his kids to a catholic school, an atheist school, a madrassa, or the Church of the FSM.
Accreditation is only part of the question: if these schools had to take voucher-holders on a first-come, first-serve basis just as public schools do, and if they were only allwed to expel them under the same conditions that public schools are allowed to expel students, then we would have a level playing field.
Look at the US Postal system, which holds a monopoly position on mail so it can use its more lucrative, densely-populated delivery areas to subsidize less cost-efficient areas.
Should people be allowed to use private "mail vouchers" to provide more efficient service?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:32:09am |
re: #479 Alouette
Jewish schools do not admit non-Jews. IIRC there was a big court case about this in the UK.
I'm not sure about the UK court case, but that's the other side of the vouchers argument. No Jewish school should have to admit non-Jewish students. Or in my example above, no school packed with Reformed bigots should have to take Catholic students.
But when tax money is involved, that changes everything.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:32:30am |
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:36:01am |
re: #482 ralphieboy
Accreditation is only part of the question: if these schools had to take voucher-holders on a first-come, first-serve basis just as public schools do, and if they were only allwed to expel them under the same conditions that public schools are allowed to expel students, then we would have a level playing field.
......
If we did that we'd have the status-quo and there wouldn't be a point to send your kids to a private school other than the religious views. I think public schools expel enough kids for silly reasons but if they want to implement harsher measures that should be up to them and their voters. There isn't anyone stopping them from doing that, they already are in a lot of places.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:36:34am |
re: #480 RogueOne
Tax income is not the governments money, its our money.
Well, it's all of our money.
Some people have this attitude, though, that they are the only ones who pay any taxes.
Why should everyone's money go to schools that exclude their own children? That also means the state/government has more of its nose in the exclusionary school. Who wants that situation?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:37:16am |
re: #480 RogueOne
Again, they can spend their money as they see fit. Once it's been collected as taxes it's no longer an individual money. Otherwise this argument can be used to defend any wall of separation breaches. Once you go the "essentially their money" way, there is no principle stopping communities using tax money for whatever religious purpose they deem necessary, e.g. sending fat checks to Pat Robertson or Ralph Reed in the community's name, if they so desire. After all it is "their money".
BBL
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William of Orange Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:38:11am |
This will bring me some kudos. :-)
Check this site out.
[Link: bachmanneyezed.com...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:41:33am |
re: #485 RogueOne
If we did that we'd have the status-quo and there wouldn't be a point to send your kids to a private school other than the religious views.
Sending children to private schools for status reasons seems to me to go against the entire point of educating students. There are parents like mine who do send their kids to religious schools because of the views and indoctrination. No one is stopping them from doing so on their own dime. No one ever should.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:41:40am |
re: #486 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, it's all of our money.
Some people have this attitude, though, that they are the only ones who pay any taxes.
Why should everyone's money go to schools that exclude their own children? That also means the state/government has more of its nose in the exclusionary school. Who wants that situation?
In the case of the IN vouchers people voted and they voted for people who promised them an extended program. I think if you really want to level the playing field we should give out vouchers to all the students instead of just some. If that is what the people of this state want, that's what they should be allowed to have.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:41:52am |
re: #488 William of Orange
This will bring me some kudos. :-)
Check this site out.
[Link: bachmanneyezed.com...]
heh, pretty good.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:45:27am |
re: #487 Sergey Romanov
Again, they can spend their money as they see fit. Once it's been collected as taxes it's no longer an individual money. Otherwise this argument can be used to defend any wall of separation breaches. Once you go the "essentially their money" way, there is no principle stopping communities using tax money for whatever religious purpose they deem necessary, e.g. sending fat checks to Pat Robertson or Ralph Reed in the community's name, if they so desire. After all it is "their money".
BBL
in the case of IN the vouchers are not going directly to any religious institution, they're going to individuals with the stipulation that it has to be used on education so the separation between church and state has already been met. Telling them they aren't allowed to use that money on any religious instruction would be violating their rights. That would be like telling someone on food stamps they can't use them on kosher products.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:46:19am |
Good morning Upper Lizardia from "it's always sunny after the hurricane passes" Philadelphia.
A "fun" filled weekend, though not in the expected manner.
- watching Irene not-quite wreck total havoc (good thing)
- going into work on Sunday to bring the local network back up
- watching Pittsburgh spank Atlanta in pre-season football (handegg)
- the time sucking distraction that is Dwarf Fortress
and, finally, dealing with a cat with an abscess. Joy. And she does not like having to wear an e-collar - though there is comedy in watching her try to walk under the dining room table and chairs while wearing it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:47:04am |
re: #490 RogueOne
In the case of the IN vouchers people voted and they voted for people who promised them an extended program. I think if you really want to level the playing field we should give out vouchers to all the students instead of just some. If that is what the people of this state want, that's what they should be allowed to have.
I didn't say anything about a level playing field; that's not the argument I'm making. But if I did, it would go something like this: quit depleting the public schools, and fund them all equally. Period. If someone wants to send their brats to private schools, no one should ever stand in their way, which is how it is, already.
As for private schools, the private sector is much more efficient. /
So let the private sector pony up the money for private schools.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:49:15am |
Is the public interest in education that of efficiency, or ensuring that the citizenry receives at least a minimum level of quality education?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:49:33am |
re: #492 RogueOne
Telling them they aren't allowed to use that money on any religious instruction would be violating their rights.
No it wouldn't. They're not forced to take voucher money. They're not forced to do anything.
They should just be honest and state outright they want everyone's money for schools that exclude others.
That would be like telling someone on food stamps they can't use them on kosher products.
Bad comparison. Kosher products are not discriminatory institutions.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:51:08am |
re: #495 oaktree
Is the public interest in education that of efficiency, or ensuring that the citizenry receives at least a minimum level of quality education?
Schools should be run like a business!
EVERYTHING should be run like a business!!!
Until public schools are run like businesses, I am sending my children to private schools! And if you don't give me your tax money to do it, I will cry about MY RIGHTS!!!
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:53:29am |
re: #496 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No it wouldn't. They're not forced to take voucher money. They're not forced to do anything.
They should just be honest and state outright they want everyone's money for schools that exclude others.
I disagree. I don't think the state has the right to tell voters/tax payers that they aren't allowed to use money they're giving back to you on anything tied to religion. As long as it's accredited they can pray, or not, to whoever they want.
Bad comparison. Kosher products are not discriminatory institutions.
but it is spending public money on a religious oriented product. We're paying for prayer.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:55:50am |
re: #493 oaktree
dealing with a cat with an abscess. Joy. And she does not like having to wear an e-collar - though there is comedy in watching her try to walk under the dining room table and chairs while wearing it.
Cats have such great depth perception and spacial awareness - until you put the cone of shame on them...then it all goes out the window.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:57:28am |
re: #499 darthstar
Cats have such great depth perception and spacial awareness - until you put the cone of shame on them...then it all goes out the window.
I don't know about that. How many times have we seen videos of cats crashing full-speed into walls, doors, and other solid, opaque objects?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:57:55am |
re: #494 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't get it, Sarah. You keep saying "brats" and "superior" and things of that nature.
You have an obvious dislike for people of means. What's the deal?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:01:18am |
re: #498 RogueOne
I disagree. I don't think the state has the right to tell voters/tax payers that they aren't allowed to use money they're giving back to you on anything tied to religion. As long as it's accredited they can pray, or not, to whoever they want.
That's an altogether different issue, see comment below.
but it is spending public money on a religious oriented product. We're paying for prayer.
Religion/prayer is less the issue than exclusion and discrimination.
Kids can pray anytime they want in public schools; I did all the time. NOTHING is stopping them. They just cannot have teacher-led prayers, the reason being, not everyone is religious, not every Christian prays "in Jesus name", not every Christian prays "in the name of the father/son/holy spirit". Some students pray 5 times a day.
Let them go to some parochial school for that, on their own dime. Why should the pool of money paid in part by Catholic families go to some Protestant family sending their kids to school the Catholic family's kids can't go to themselves? That's just one aspect of the church/state violation.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:01:40am |
re: #497 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
A far more common train of thought is "where are kids getting the best test results?" and after paying bills and taxes, do not have the means to take the kid out of poorly performing public school.
That is the parent I think about when pondering vouchers. Not the purple type wingnuts.
BBL Subway
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:04:42am |
re: #501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You have an obvious dislike for people of means.
Not so. I think you must have some deep class anxieties, since this is the second time you've expressed this oversensitivity.
I just don't think private schools are superior to public ones just because they have the word "private" on them, nor are the people who send their kids to them, nor are the students who graduate from them. What's wrong with saying so?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:06:23am |
re: #504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not so. I think you must have some deep class anxieties, since this is the second time you've expressed this oversensitivity.
I just don't think private schools are superior to public ones just because they have the word "private" on them, nor are the people who send their kids to them, nor are the students who graduate from them.
I also don't think the private sector is necessarily more efficient/superior to the public one, in general. What's wrong with saying so?
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:08:10am |
re: #502 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think we're having 2 different arguments. Should we have vouchers and How should we let people spend that money. I'm mostly arguing the 2nd portion and leaving the first part to the voters. In IN the "should we" argument has already been decided.
We allow people to use federal student loans for religious schools. We're not allowed to discriminate against people based on their religious views which might, or might not be, discriminatory. If we're going to give vouchers to people they're going to have to be allowed to spend them on the accredited school of their choice.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:08:25am |
The other Donald comes out of hiding for a day...
She had introduced herself to Rumsfeld by handing a copy of her husband's funeral program to the former defense secretary.
She told him her husband had joined the military because he believed the lies told by Rumsfeld during his tenure with the Bush administration, then later killed himself because he didn't want to be deployed for the ninth time.
"My husband joined the military, and it was his (Rumsfeld's) lies that cost my husband his life," Joppa-Hagemann said in a later interview. "And as soon as I mentioned my husband, he said, 'Oh, I heard about that.'"
Nine deployments? We didn't do that in WWII.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:08:38am |
re: #503 Rightwingconspirator
A far more common train of thought is "where are kids getting the best test results?" and after paying bills and taxes, do not have the means to take the kid out of poorly performing public school.
That is the parent I think about when pondering vouchers. Not the purple type wingnuts.
BBL Subway
Yeah but test results only measure how well a student takes a test. That's only one aspect of education. Tying public school funding to test score performance is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:08am |
re: #455 thedopefishlives
This is the situation I find myself in, only without the option of moving. Our most likely recourse is homeschooling, as I somehow doubt the local Catholic school would let our heathen Protestant son in.
If there is room in the school, they will "let" your son in, of course.
There are plenty of Protestant kids in the Catholic schools here. The tuition is lower in Caholic schools than it is for other private schools, and in many cases doesn't cover the actual cost of the student, because the local church parishes help support the schools.
As for OhCrap's comment in 422:
. . . instead of shaking down non-religious people for money for their nasty, exclusionist schools.
What a crock of of just pure nastiness.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:35am |
And to clarify: I am NOT a fan of voucher systems.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:12:26am |
re: #504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Perhaps I am not being as much "oversensitive" as "aware". You, today, have used the words "brats" (meaning children of people of means), "exclusionary" and "superior" several times today.
Your comments (in general) often poke a stick at folks who live in suburbs or aren't poor.
But, you're right. It's really none of my business. I seem to be studying your comments. That's just creepy.
I must be projecting something. Ignore me, sorry.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:12:57am |
re: #507 darthstar
The other Donald comes out of hiding for a day...
Nine deployments? We didn't do that in WWII.
That is a sad story but he reenlisted, twice I believe.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:16:18am |
re: #500 thedopefishlives
I don't know about that. How many times have we seen videos of cats crashing full-speed into walls, doors, and other solid, opaque objects?
I've seen the crashing into things more often with dogs than cats. But cats are not the perfect dexterity machines they think they are.
With the e-collar (aka the Cone of Shame) you get to decide how to hobble the cat:
A. (folded up) - cat's whiskers and periphial vison blocked - lots of walking into things that are now not wide enough for cat + collar
B. (folded down) - cat's front legs do not have full range. Mild difficulty walking, cannot run, and jumping is affected as well. Leads to cat doing header into side of couch attempting to jump up onto it.
I prefer "B" since the cat basically decides to not walk around as much - so she settles down and sleeps eventually. Preferably on the towel I've put out for that purpose.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:16:57am |
re: #506 RogueOne
We allow people to use federal student loans for religious schools.
That again is a different topic. College is optional, not mandatory. Also, the schools have to meet federal guidelines in other things.
There was a case at Oral Roberts University some years ago - late 70s/80s..I'd have to look it up - that dealt with this. IIRC, the school's position was that since they believe in supernatural healing, they're within their rights to discriminate against students with disabilities.
The ruling was that since they accept federal funding in the form of loans, grants, etc., they had to change their admissions and accomodations policies. They lost, and they did.
Also, there are religious schools like Bob Jones who do not accept federal-anything because they don't want to meet the stipulations.
Should we have vouchers
No. lol
and How should we let people spend that money.
Let the vouchers be like the federal student loans, with eligible students being able to take advantage of the funding. No parochial schools that exclude on the basis of religion.
Let the bigots fund their own educations. It also means the bigot schools are also free from any government stipulations or meddling.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:18:21am |
re: #513 oaktree
I've seen the crashing into things more often with dogs than cats. But cats are not the perfect dexterity machines they think they are.
Especially given how many times I've seen my feline overlord fall off the desk/couch. I don't care how good you are at making it look like you meant to do that, cat, I saw the look of surprise and momentary panic as gravity decided to take notice of your presence.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:19:19am |
re: #515 thedopefishlives
Gravity. It's the law.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:19:54am |
ATTN,,,re: #514 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Also, the schools have to meet federal guidelines in other things.
So do private primary and secondary schools, as well as state guidelines and mandates
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:20:30am |
re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps I am not being as much "oversensitive" as "aware". You, today, have used the words "brats" (meaning children of people of means), "exclusionary" and "superior" several times today.
If you read the comments, they reveal far more than just remarks on class. The issue at hand is also one of religion, parochial schools, and their rights.
There are people who indeed believe the private sector is superior to the public one, and that private, exclusionary schools are superior to public ones.
That's not always true. And yes, I do enjoy poking sticks at that mentality.
But, you're right. It's really none of my business. I seem to be studying your comments. That's just creepy.
I think you're looking for reasons to be offended by stuff I say. Happens.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:21:11am |
re: #515 thedopefishlives
Especially given how many times I've seen my feline overlord fall off the desk/couch. I don't care how good you are at making it look like you meant to do that, cat, I saw the look of surprise and momentary panic as gravity decided to take notice of your presence.
"oooo... belly rub! Let me roll over a bit more so that you can get that other spottttt!!!!!
Bastard! You did that to get me to roll off the bed on purpose! (GAZE)"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:23:55am |
re: #518 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think you're looking for reasons to be offended by stuff I say. Happens.
I'm not well-to-do, so I'm not.
I want to be well-to-do, so I am.
That make sense?
The other time I asked you this question, we weren't talking about school vouchers. We were talking about hurricane evacuation.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:24:38am |
In my experience, parochial schools do not exclude on the basis of religion. They teach (their) religion as a part of the curriculum, but they allow children of any religion to attend. It's not a matter of exclusion, but the teaching of religion, that makes a voucher system unconstitutional.
And the point that's being ignored, or missed anyway, is that vouchers will inevitably take funding away from schools in low-income neighborhoods due to their increased transient population.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:24:51am |
re: #517 sattv4u2
So do private primary and secondary schools, as well as state guidelines and mandates
See also: RogueOne's comments on accreditation.
For religious schools and universities, there are any number of accreditation bodies, usually by denomination or sect. Each has their own criteria.
Hey I've got an idea - let's just make education optional instead of mandatory. Problem solved! /
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:26:05am |
re: #522 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
See also: RogueOne's comments on accreditation.
For religious schools and universities, there are any number of accreditation bodies, usually by denomination or sect. Each has their own criteria.
Hey I've got an idea - let's just make education optional instead of mandatory. Problem solved! /
How 18th century of you.
/
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:26:13am |
Any of our British Isles/ European Lizrads
The transmission test for the US Open Tennis Tourney that we just did is now over and was a complete success
Enjoy the telecasts
You're welcome!!!
:)
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:27:19am |
re: #524 sattv4u2
Any of our British Isles/ European Lizrads
The transmission test for the US Open Tennis Tourney that we just did is now over and was a complete success
Enjoy the telecasts
You're welcome!!!
:)
They're the only ones watching. Are there any Americans that even have a shot at winning?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:27:29am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:28:15am |
re: #522 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
See also: RogueOne's comments on accreditation.
For religious schools and universities, there are any number of accreditation bodies, usually by denomination or sect. Each has their own criteria.
Hey I've got an idea - let's just make education optional instead of mandatory. Problem solved! /
Again, private primary AND secondary schools here in Georgia, back home in Massachusetts, in New Hampshire, Maine, Alabama, South and North Carolina (all of which I have knowledge of) MUST be accredited BY the state
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:29:26am |
re: #525 RogueOne
They're the only ones watching. Are there any Americans that even have a shot at winning?
Serena Williams looks to be back in form
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:30:45am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:31:57am |
re: #520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not well-to-do, so I'm not.
I want to be well-to-do, so I am.
That make sense?
Lol believe me, the well-to-do will survive a few throwaway remarks by lil ol me about vouchers, at least the ones it applies to.
The other time I asked you this question, we weren't talking about school vouchers. We were talking about hurricane evacuation.
That's why I believe you are cherry picking stuff to be offended about instead of taking the comments as a whole.
The other day, you thought a couple hypotheticals about having to weigh costs/benefits during a Cat 1 hurricane was some kind of attack on "people of means". I say that's ridiculous, and oversensitive.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:32:30am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:33:25am |
re: #530 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It's all good.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:33:28am |
re: #527 sattv4u2
Again, private primary AND secondary schools here in Georgia, back home in Massachusetts, in New Hampshire, Maine, Alabama, South and North Carolina (all of which I have knowledge of) MUST be accredited BY the state
I understand that, which is what those accreditation bodies mentioned are FOR.
Tell me what you know about segregation academies and their accreditation by the state.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:34:32am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:34:37am |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:35:07am |
re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You're just feeling guilty because you had to line your bird's cage with $50 bills instead of the usual $100 bills.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:36:21am |
Morning, Lizards! My crazy Fall schedule starts today. Work in the mornings, classes in the afternoons, plus whatever time I need for reading, papers, projects, etc. It's going to be a long haul, but I think it's all worth it.
Now if I could only get paid for my work. A salary would make this all so much easier. Here's hoping. *crosses fingers*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:36:23am |
re: #536 darthstar
You're just feeling guilty because you had HAVE YOUR SERVANTS to line your bird's GOLDEN cage with $50 bills instead of the usual $100 bills.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:37:28am |
From Reason:
Can Speech Be Stalking?
[Link: volokh.com...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:37:39am |
re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Platinum.
Gold is so yesterday.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:38:42am |
re: #539 RogueOne
Bullying. It's not just for playgrounds anymore.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:38:49am |
re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm guessing you only have Oxford educated indentured servants, too.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:38:50am |
re: #539 RogueOne
From Reason:
Can Speech Be Stalking?
[Link: volokh.com...]
No.
At least, not in this case.
I mean, shit, every political blog could be accused of it.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:39:30am |
re: #541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Bullying. It's not just for playgrounds anymore.
No flame war like a reincarnated Buddhist fight. Those things can go on forever
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:40:15am |
re: #533 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I understand that, which is what those accreditation bodies mentioned are FOR.
Tell me what you know about segregation academies and their accreditation by the state.
Probably more than you know about an entire counties public schools (a large one at that,,,m and not one "out in the sticks") losing IT's accreditation!
[Link: www.wsbtv.com...]
SO ,,, whats worse,,, a handful kids CHOOSING a segragated academy OR an entire urban counties children having no chioce but to attend an unaccredited public school system?!?!?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:40:25am |
re: #540 Varek Raith
Reminds me to ask a question.
Since gold is now worth eleventy gazillion dollars an ounce, and our very own "Fort Knox" is frackin' loaded with Gold...
Ain't the US of A rich again?
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:40:39am |
China bans Gaga… and the Backstreet Boys?
*Applause*
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:41:01am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:41:52am |
re: #544 RogueOne
No flame war like a reincarnated Buddhist fight. Those things can go on forever
A guy walks into a pizzeria, sees a little old Buddhist guy behind the counter manning the till. He walks up, places his order, the old man tells him, "That'll be $28.37, please." Guy hands him $30 and waits for the old man to give him his change. The old man closes the cash register without handing over any change, to which the guy responds, "Hey, where's my change?" "Change," the old Buddhist responds, "must come from within."
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:42:13am |
re: #543 Varek Raith
No.
At least, not in this case.
I mean, shit, every political blog could be accused of it.
If actual threats were made that's one thing....I wish I were surprised that a prosecutor decided to get involved in an online spat.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:42:45am |
re: #545 sattv4u2
Public schools are accredited. They're largely underfunded these days, and the lack of a support structure, especially in depressed areas, leads to students learning less than they should, but they're valid schools.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:42:54am |
re: #551 RogueOne
If actual threats were made that's one thing...I wish I were surprised that a prosecutor decided to get involved in an online spat.
Your post caused me emotion distress.
I'm calling the cops!
:)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:43:57am |
re: #521 darthstar
In my experience, parochial schools do not exclude on the basis of religion. They teach (their) religion as a part of the curriculum, but they allow children of any religion to attend. It's not a matter of exclusion, but the teaching of religion, that makes a voucher system unconstitutional.
I don't think they can be separated. Hypothetical: the Muslim school does not admit non-Muslim kids. Why should the LDS family have to pay for the LDS kids' education in a school that doesn't allow them?
I went to a parochial school that did exclude/discriminate on the basis of religious sect - no Catholics allowed. If I were a Catholic parent who had to pay for that via vouchers I would be PISSED.
And the point that's being ignored, or missed anyway, is that vouchers will inevitably take funding away from schools in low-income neighborhoods due to their increased transient population.
Yeah, that is a whole other ball of wax. Imo, that's the entire point of vouchers, which is to deplete the public schools, then point to them and claim "seeee!!!!! public schools don't werrrrrk!!"
Same thing happened with idiotic busing: choose the one "solution" you know won't work and cause even more rancor and class/race/status resentments.
After 2011, we can all now blame public school teachers and union librarians for why the public sector should be reviled and hated. e_e
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:01am |
re: #550 thedopefishlives
I like the story of the Buddhist who goes up to a hot dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything."
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:59am |
re: #553 Varek Raith
Your post caused me emotion distress.
I'm calling the cops!
:)
“You have the right to be offended, and I have the right to offend you. But no one has the right to never be offended”
[Link: www.patheos.com...]
Ricky Gervais is going straight to hell...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:46:24am |
re: #553 Varek Raith
In the movie "Popeye" Olive's father, says, "You owe me an apology" over and over... gosh, I wish that clip were on the intertubes. We could use that a lot.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:47:49am |
re: #554 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
One doesn't have to use hypotheticals to disprove the benefits of vouchers. They're being pushed by people who want to starve all government institutions - including the public schools - of any tax dollars.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:48:34am |
re: #545 sattv4u2
SO ,,, whats worse,,, a handful kids CHOOSING a segragated academy OR an entire urban counties children having no chioce but to attend an unaccredited public school system?!?!?
Lol oh my, aren't we touchy. Trotting out/tokenizing the cruddy urban schools bugbear to prop up what flimsy argument you may have had won't work, though.
Segregation academies: what does state accreditation of them have to do with quality of education in them?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:48:41am |
re: #552 darthstar
Public schools are accredited. They're largely underfunded these days, and the lack of a support structure, especially in depressed areas, leads to students learning less than they should, but they're valid schools.
This has nothing to due with "underfunding"
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:49:11am |
re: #558 darthstar
One doesn't have to use hypotheticals to disprove the benefits of vouchers. They're being pushed by people who want to starve all government institutions - including the public schools - of any tax dollars.
And further, loot the public for that money for themselves.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:49:39am |
re: #559 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol oh my, aren't we touchy. Trotting out/tokenizing the cruddy urban schools bugbear to prop up what flimsy argument you may have had won't work, though.
Segregation academies: what does state accreditation of them have to do with quality of education in them?
two "bugbears"
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
And who's "touchy", Chippy?
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:50:03am |
re: #560 sattv4u2
This has nothing to due with "underfunding"
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Now you're moving into standardized testing, not vouchers, and I've got to call Russia in 10 minutes.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:50:57am |
re: #562 sattv4u2
And who's "touchy", Chippy?
You are as always, Sport.
I find you hilarious, and entertaining because of it.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:51:58am |
re: #563 darthstar
Now you're moving into standardized testing, not vouchers, and I've got to call Russia in 10 minutes.
What's this all about comrade? Dropping the dime on your homeland?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:52:52am |
re: #564 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You are as always, Sport.
I find you hilarious, and entertaining because of it.
LOOK OUT ,,, THERE ARE CONS NEAR YOU!!
OH MY !!!!!!
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William of Orange Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:53:01am |
Should evolution be taught at school?
As Boingboing.net rightfully asked: "Shouldn't the question have been if creationism be taught at school?"
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:53:44am |
re: #563 darthstar
Now you're moving into standardized testing, not vouchers, and I've got to call Russia in 10 minutes.
No, ,, I've "moved" to public v private
Oh,, wait,, thats not a "move",, thats on topic!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:53:46am |
re: #557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In the movie "Popeye" Olive's father, says, "You owe me an apology" over and over... gosh, I wish that clip were on the intertubes. We could use that a lot.
What is the going market rate for apologies these days? And are sincere ones worth more since they are becoming a rarity in the public sector?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:54:23am |
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT
conference call with ESPN
damn you, TONY C!!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:54:33am |
re: #566 sattv4u2
LOOK OUT ,,, THERE ARE CONS NEAR YOU!!
OH MY !!!
Answer the question, pls. Don't try to change the topic to your massive, unmedicated anxieties about my posts.
Segregation academies: what does state accreditation of them have to do with quality of education in them?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:55:20am |
re: #568 sattv4u2
No, ,, I've "moved" to public v private
Oh,, wait,, thats not a "move",, thats on topic!
Private is not superior to public, nor vice versa. So why are you yelling?
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:55:48am |
re: #567 William of Orange
Should evolution be taught at school?
As Boingboing.net rightfully asked: "Shouldn't the question have been if creationism be taught at school?"
"Should Math be taught in school? This is america damnit, not russia", ha!
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:21am |
Greets and saluts from the still soggy and recovering NYC metro area. I got lucky in that it turns out my part of town didn't lose power, but just a few blocks away the entire neighborhood went dark during the storm and may still be out of power. Some major streets are still blocked in Fair Lawn and Glen Rock b/c of storm damage and downed lines, but the big concern is the Passaic River flooding, which wont crest for another day.
Other rivers and streams are still flooding, and it's a huge mess in places like Wayne, Fairfield, Bound Brook, New Brunswick, and further south towards Trenton. NJ Transit and Amtrak are suspended through New Jersey because of flooding and storm damage. Metro North is suspended due to flood and storm damage. LIRR is running abbreviated service due to storm damage and no service to the East End on most of its lines.
We're picking up the pieces, and more than 1 million are without power in the NYC metro (most in NJ). Upstate NY is seeing record flooding - 500 year floods in Schenectady for example, and massive flooding in VT that wiped out 100+ year old covered bridges and caused widespread damage.
Thankfully, loss of life due to the storm was low, and yet there are two things to keep in mind - (1) we got real lucky that the storm's winds weren't stronger than they were; (2) storm prep did its job and prevented more loss of life and preserved equipment for the MTA even if it means inconveniences for subway users for the next day or so.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:43am |
re: #567 William of Orange
Should evolution be taught at school?
As Boingboing.net rightfully asked: "Shouldn't the question have been if creationism be taught at school?"
I wish someone would teach Hindu creation stories in public schools as fact. Maybe then the dumb con bigots trying to force their theology on students will finally get the hint.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:52am |
re: #573 RogueOne
"Should Math be taught in school? This is america damnit, not russia", ha!
Look, they're hot and want world peace!! STFU!!!
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:58:39am |
re: #485 RogueOne
Public schools have to take everybody. Purivate schools don't. That already makes it an imbalanced comparison to private institutions. Just like the difference between single-payer and private health insurance.
And education is social health insurance. We need it if we are to remain a healthy, productive nation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:59:35am |
re: #572 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I wish I had gone to a private school. The public schools I went to were scary. My high school was shut down for three days in my sophomore year because of a race riot.
As a five foot two, 110 lb white kid; it was the scariest day of one of many, many scary days for me.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:12am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wish I had gone to a private school. The public schools I went to were scary. My high school was shut down for three days in my sophomore year because of a race riot.
As a five foot two, 110 lb white kid; it was the scariest day of one of many, many scary days for me.
I wish I had gone to a public high school. Being the only 90 lb Black kid in a sea of white bigots for 4 years was no crystal stair, either.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:34am |
Oh, and while TS Jose may never make landfall, we've got Invest 92 (soon to be TD 12/Hurricane Katia), which is making its way to the West from the Cape Verdes.
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RogueOne Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:03:19am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wish I had gone to a private school. The public schools I went to were scary. My high school was shut down for three days in my sophomore year because of a race riot.
As a five foot two, 110 lb white kid; it was the scariest day of one of many, many scary days for me.
I went from an urban school to a school in the middle of a cornfield. I was in such a state of shock at all the wide open spaces, corn, country music, and farm kids it took a few days to realize that everyone was white.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:03:45am |
Fox declares Obama is illiterate...
American Thinker: Early Letter Confirms Obama’s Inability to Write
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:08am |
re: #577 ralphieboy
Public schools have to take everybody. Purivate schools don't. That already makes it an imbalanced comparison to private institutions. Just like the difference between single-payer and private health insurance.
And education is social health insurance. We need it if we are to remain a healthy, productive nation.
And, by definition, exclusionary. There's nothing wrong with exclusionary schools, or the people who go to them. They just should not be afforded any government money from the very people whose kids are excluded.
It's also bad for the exclusionary school, which now has more government involvement than it would have, originally.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:11am |
re: #508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah but test results only measure how well a student takes a test. That's only one aspect of education. Tying public school funding to test score performance is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
Well that is not an idea I support. And test resuylts also measure how well a school actually imaprts education, and test takin g skills. So my hypothjeical yet very common parent still has that dilemma. His "tuition" money is gone to a state run school system that is inadequate in his instance, and wants to do better for his kid. That is the heart of the voucher ebate, not your wingnut bleat
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:25am |
re: #574 lawhawk
I'm glad that this hurricane didn't turn into the disaster that everyone was predicting. I'm still hoping the damages stay low.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:37am |
re: #572 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Private is not superior to public, nor vice versa. So why are you yelling?
Where did I say private was superoir,, and the "yell" was sarcastic. Sorry you didn't notice. I seem to recall ,, well,, EVERYONE doing it at timesl
getting a tad sensitive there chippy, no??
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:06:15am |
re: #586 sattv4u2
Where did I say private was superoir,, and the "yell" was sarcastic.
Never said you did; it was just a comment.
Last I checked, we are allowed to comment on other posts here, so put those feathers down, Sport.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:06:44am |
re: #579 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I wish I had gone to a public high school. Being the only 90 lb Black kid in a sea of white bigots for 4 years was no crystal stair, either.
Yeah... being a minority? Is really lame or really cool. Most the time? Really lame.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:01am |
re: #577 ralphieboy
Public schools have to take everybody. Purivate schools don't. That already makes it an imbalanced comparison to private institutions.
Exactly. It's like comparing your local community college, which has to take everyone who applies, to an Ivy League university with exacting admissions standards. They're not even close.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:03am |
Wingnuts are frothing...
Republicans banned from Labor Day parade
Gee, who would have thought attacking workers would piss off labor groups?
/
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:11am |
re: #587 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Never said you did; it was just a comment.
Last I checked, we are allowed to comment on other posts here, so put those feathers down, Sport.
Then why bring it up?
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:50am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My parents could not afford a private school, and I was so underchallenged in the Gary, Indiana, public school system wthat they skipped me up from the first to the third grade. Which went fine until I hit Jr. high, already a year behind my classmates and a late pubertizer at that, I really had problems.
i especially recall an advanced chemistry class i took: the only sophomore (freshman aged) in a class full of juniors and seniors.
In a class of my peers, my obnoxious behavior might not have stood out as much, but as it was, the teacher came to hate me and made be sit behind the extractor hood so he would not have to even look at me...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:57am |
re: #590 Killgore Trout
Republican Rep. Sean Duffy's office got a notice from parade organizers this week that he would not be included in the parade. His chief of staff says the congressman was hoping differences would be set aside for the family-friendly event.
lol
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:49am |
re: #582 Killgore Trout
Fox declares Obama is illiterate...
American Thinker: Early Letter Confirms Obama’s Inability to Write
Yeah! A Graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law is totally illiterate.
///
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:10:12am |
re: #590 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are frothing...
Republicans banned from Labor Day parade
Gee, who would have thought attacking workers would piss off labor groups?
/
This will be spun on FOX and in newsmax to indicate that the unions are doing it because they hate America
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:10:32am |
re: #590 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are frothing...
Republicans banned from Labor Day parade
Gee, who would have thought attacking workers would piss off labor groups?
/
They can get the hell over it. What did they expect? To be greeted as liberators or something? =P
Besides, you'd think the GOP would hate Labor Day and want to get rid of it, since its entire history is tied to the labor unions.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:10:55am |
And on that note, the really long (read ,,, BORING ) conference call beckons,.,.followed by the long, quite drive home
Laterz taterz
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:11:06am |
re: #592 ralphieboy
My public schooling story is similar, except I wound up being the teachers' pet. You can imagine how that went over with my classmates. More than once, I begged my parents to pull me out of school, but honestly - in Middle of Nowhere, Indiana, there's nowhere else to go.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:11:42am |
re: #584 Rightwingconspirator
Well that is not an idea I support. And test resuylts also measure how well a school actually imaprts education, and test takin g skills. So my hypothjeical yet very common parent still has that dilemma. His "tuition" money is gone to a state run school system that is inadequate in his instance, and wants to do better for his kid. That is the heart of the voucher ebate, not your wingnut bleat
It's one aspect of the voucher debate, not the heart of it. I happen to think those kinds of stories are meant to rile up the emotions over an issue that is really about dismantling the public sector. I don't agree with that.
There are many measures of what makes a good education; test-taking is again just one aspect. I've already stated this but I don't think test-taking is a measure of much, and I say that as someone who does very well on standardized tests.
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blueraven Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:11:46am |
re: #582 Killgore Trout
Fox declares Obama is illiterate...
American Thinker: Early Letter Confirms Obama’s Inability to Write
Oh this was from the idiot, Jack Cashill, who claimed Obama's memoir was written by Bill Ayers.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:12:20am |
re: #589 Lidane
Exactly. It's like comparing your local community college, which has to take everyone who applies, to an Ivy League university with exacting admissions standards. They're not even close.
So schools who take vouchers should be required to take everyone on a first-come, first-serve basis. And not to have the option of dumping them back into the public system if they turn out to be ineducable. That would only be fair.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:13:02am |
re: #600 blueraven
Oh this was from the idiot, Jack Cashill, who claimed Obama's memoir was written by Bill Ayers.
AYERS! ZOMG!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:13:17am |
re: #588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah... being a minority? Is really lame or really cool. Most the time? Really lame.
Personally, I would not trade being who/what I am for the world. The problem is with the other people who cannot handle difference, be it real or perceived. That, you learn really early on as a racial/numerical minority.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:14:33am |
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:15:42am |
re: #584 Rightwingconspirator
Well that is not an idea I support. And test resuylts also measure how well a school actually imaprts education, and test takin g skills. So my hypothjeical yet very common parent still has that dilemma. His "tuition" money is gone to a state run school system that is inadequate in his instance, and wants to do better for his kid. That is the heart of the voucher ebate, not your wingnut bleat
My high school failed its state tests two years in a row (inadequate yearly progress), so the response was to marginalize every subject that wasn't tested and take away almost all teacher discretion and "teach to the test" in subjects that were. Guess what: we passed that year. But it was probably the year I learned the least.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:16:33am |
re: #603 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Personally, I would not trade being who/what I am for the world. The problem is with the other people who cannot handle difference, be it real or perceived. That, you learn really early on as a racial/numerical minority.
Exactly.
When I was growing up, most people didn't even realize I was Latina because I'm light skinned and don't have the stereotypical accent. They thought I was Italian, or Greek, or something else. It would surprise them to learn otherwise. These days, I could give a fuck if people have a problem with it. I am who I am, and that's enough.
Same goes for my personality and my point of view. It took me many years to get comfortable in my own skin, but now that I am, I'm not going to apologize for it.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:18:41am |
re: #585 thedopefishlives
They're figuring in the $7 billion in damage range - most in NC, NJ, Long Island, and Upstate NY through VT. NYC was largely spared, even with more than a million without power in the metro area.
And yet - we got lucky.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:19:39am |
re: #608 lawhawk
They're figuring in the $7 billion in damage range - most in NC, NJ, Long Island, and Upstate NY through VT. NYC was largely spared, even with more than a million without power in the metro area.
And yet - we got lucky.
$7 billion is a big number, but honestly, a Category 3 hurricane smashing into the East Coast could've easily done a full order of magnitude more. We did get lucky.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:20:28am |
For an omnipotent, omniscient being, God sure has a problem just talking to people. WTF.
Bachmann: Hurricane Was A Message From God To Washington About Spending
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:16am |
re: #592 ralphieboy
My problem was less about social issues (of the kind I mentioned in #579) than just a lacking curriculum. It was a much smaller school, so didn't have the staffing or the arts programs that would have benefitted some of us. That also meant limited electives and course offerings.
Oh, but they had a rep for their higher academic standards (supposedly; I never saw it.)
And!! THEY HAD TEACHER-LED SCHOOL PRAYER, which of course is the basis for any attempt at ever learning anything!!! e_e
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:46am |
re: #582 Killgore Trout
Fox declares Obama is illiterate...
American Thinker: Early Letter Confirms Obama’s Inability to Write
These people are playing with fire, given the misunderestimated refudiations of GOP candidates and office holders.
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blueraven Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:22:01am |
re: #600 blueraven
Oh this was from the idiot, Jack Cashill, who claimed Obama's memoir was written by Bill Ayers.
He is also responsible for the "knee left in photo-shopped pic of Obama and his grandparents" LOL...the man writes for WND.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
PZ Myers flushes him out
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:22:38am |
re: #590 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are frothing...
Republicans banned from Labor Day parade
Gee, who would have thought attacking workers would piss off labor groups?
/
Lolololol
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:23:30am |
Also, LOL forever:
Mitt Romney couldn't project a humble image even if you used ILM and Pixar to try and achieve the effect. The guy reeks of wealth and entitlement.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:23:53am |
re: #609 thedopefishlives
Absolutely. A Cat 3 storm, would have done phenomenal damage if it took the same path - LI would have seen the kind of damage witnessed during the LI Express, and if the forward motion was as slow as Irene, then we would have seen even more damage from the wind throughout the entire region. We'd be talking Andrew-type damage throughout NJ and NYC metro (even though Andrew landed as a strong 4/5, with skyscrapers and the kind of tree canopy we have around here, many parts of the region would be impassable for days or weeks on end).
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:09am |
re: #615 Lidane
Mitt Romney couldn't project a humble image even if you used ILM and Pixar to try and achieve the effect. The guy reeks of wealth and entitlement.
Upding for the SFX references.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:25:05am |
re: #590 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are frothing...
Republicans banned from Labor Day parade
Gee, who would have thought attacking workers would piss off labor groups?
/
Having Wisconsin Republicans in a Labor Day parade makes as much sense as inviting Lee Greenwood to a Pride parade.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:25:23am |
re: #610 Lidane
Yeah, if he was so omnipotent and actually talked to people through storms, couldn't he just... you know.... talked to people. He has heard of TV and Radio... and South Park.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:25:37am |
re: #618 darthstar
Having Wisconsin Republicans in a Labor Day parade makes as much sense as inviting Lee Greenwood to a Pride parade.
Or inviting Michele Bachmann to speak to an American Atheists rally.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:25:57am |
re: #615 Lidane
Mitt Romney couldn't project a humble image even if you used ILM and Pixar to try and achieve the effect. The guy reeks of wealth and entitlement.
Romney is pure CGI, baby...
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:26:19am |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
It depends. If the person was simply conscripted to fight the rebels and did not engage in war crimes, then they should face no punishment. After World War Two, the Allies specifically exempted the 9th and 10th SS Panzer Division from condemnation en masse as war criminals on the grounds that both divisions had consisted of conscripts.
If however, they did engage in war crimes, then it gets a lot more complicated. My own feeling is that while the fact that some such people did have a gun to their head, that only mitigates their guilt, it does not absolve them (this was the Nuremberg standard as well) . It was still wrong of them to murder for Gaddafi, even on pain of death. Ludwig's talked about this and I find myself agreeing with him: If your choice is to murder a helpless person for the tyrant or be killed, the moral thing to do is not aid the tyrant and accept death. I would find such "unwilling executioners' guilty, but then give them a reduced sentence.
The thing to do is to try and kill whoever is giving the order. You will die for it, but at least you gave it your best shot.
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Interesting Times Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:26:41am |
re: #616 lawhawk
What do you think of this take on the issue?
A narrative is developing in the media that Hurricane Irene was somehow “overhyped,” that politicians “cried wolf,” and then the devastating damage that was forecast didn’t appear. Piers Morgan, tonight, will supposedly head up a segment called “Hurricane Hype.”
...
Not only is this idiotic—it’s downright dangerous.
...
Even worse, if this narrative about hurricane “overhyping” takes hold, it could utterly distract from the real take-away from this storm experience. Namely: This was a test run for a much worse storm that will someday come and threaten New York. And the test run proved that we’re not remotely ready.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:26:41am |
re: #620 Lidane
Or inviting Michele Bachmann to speak to an American Atheists rally.
Or Rick Perry to a Mensa meeting.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:27:09am |
re: #615 Lidane
Also, LOL forever:
Mitt Romney couldn't project a humble image even if you used ILM and Pixar to try and achieve the effect. The guy reeks of wealth and entitlement.
And besides which, whoever is hired to do that construction gets to feed their families for another several months. Not sure why a R would be against something that will provide JOBS for some folks.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:28:15am |
re: #625 reine.de.tout
And besides which, whoever is hired to do that construction gets to feed their families for another several months. Not sure why a R would be against something that will provide JOBS for some folks.
Because good, hard-working Americans won't be the ones performing the work, it'll go to them stinkin' illegal immigrant Mexicans, and we can't have that./
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:28:38am |
re: #625 reine.de.tout
And besides which, whoever is hired to do that construction gets to feed their families for another several months. Not sure why a R would be against something that will provide JOBS for some folks.
Besides, what are the odds that there will be illegal immigrants available to do the work for cheap in San Diego? Nearly impossible!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:28:58am |
re: #627 darthstar
Get out of my head, you. Go on, shoo.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:29:12am |
re: #606 Atlas Fails
My high school failed its state tests two years in a row (inadequate yearly progress), so the response was to marginalize every subject that wasn't tested and take away almost all teacher discretion and "teach to the test" in subjects that were. Guess what: we passed that year. But it was probably the year I learned the least.
You needed the option of a better school. And it was not there. The argument the anti voucher folks do not have a good answer for. We need to stop wish-casting better public school results.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:29:30am |
re: #625 reine.de.tout
And besides which, whoever is hired to do that construction gets to feed their families for another several months. Not sure why a R would be against something that will provide JOBS for some folks.
Because Romney would probably use a contractor that hires immigrant labor to save money...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:30:07am |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:30:10am |
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:30:26am |
re: #615 Lidane
Also, LOL forever:
Mitt Romney couldn't project a humble image even if you used ILM and Pixar to try and achieve the effect. The guy reeks of wealth and entitlement.
Who does project a humble image? Obama? Clinton? Gore? If we're talking image, Bush, cutting brush at his Crawford ranch, did more. But you have to go back to Truman or Eisenhower or Ford to find genuine humility.
Nowadays, a wheelchair ramp to the San Francisco board of supervisor's "chair" costs $700 000. For a ramp. Nero would understand.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:30:45am |
re: #621 darthstar
Romney is pure CGI, baby...
Nah. He's a Harryhausen rip-off. A cheap, plastic puppet going through the motions of trying to look sincere, but failing miserably.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:30:45am |
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Kronocide Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:31:02am |
re: #610 Lidane
For an omnipotent, omniscient being, God sure has a problem just talking to people. WTF.
Bachmann: Hurricane Was A Message From God To Washington About Spending
Listening to her speech there, she complained about terrible job numbers of minority teenagers (yes, teenagers), and said something must be done about it, as if Obama hasn't done enough for Hispanic and Black teenagers getting jobs.
But the government is not supposed to interfere in our lives, be smaller, etc.
Lulz, whut?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:31:26am |
re: #625 reine.de.tout
Dude got a trillion bucks? Dude does more good for the economy by spending the trillion bucks than he does by keeping it in his vault.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:31:31am |
re: #620 Lidane
Or inviting Michele Bachmann to speak to an American Atheists rally.
Actually, they should. Simply so that the audience could point and laugh. That might actually get a point across.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:31:48am |
re: #634 Lidane
Nah. He's a Harryhausen rip-off. A cheap, plastic puppet going through the motions of trying to look sincere, but failing miserably.
Unlike Bachmann, who is a marionette.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:32:06am |
re: #639 darthstar
Unlike Bachmann, who is a marionette.
Not even. Stop-action claymation would be more like it.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:32:24am |
re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dude got a trillion bucks? Dude does more good for the economy by spending the trillion bucks than he does by keeping it in his vault.
It has more to do with Romney claiming he was unemployed too.
;)
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:02am |
re: #641 Varek Raith
It has more to do with Romney claiming he was unemployed too.
;)
He's not unemployed...just unemployable.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:09am |
re: #630 ralphieboy
Because Romney would probably use a contractor that hires immigrant labor to save money...
If Romney excludes the possibility of immigrant labor, he's racist. If he doesn't, he hates American workers. If he won't spend his money, he's a miser.
There. Bases covered.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:15am |
re: #631 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol and this would be fooling who, exactly?
He needs to hire a clever spider with good web-spinning ability.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:23am |
re: #603 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Personally, I would not trade being who/what I am for the world. The problem is with the other people who cannot handle difference, be it real or perceived. That, you learn really early on as a racial/numerical minority.
What doesn't kill ya, makes ya stronger, usually applies pretty well.
I had to unfollow a woman on Twitter who identifies as a "Jew of Color". I was initially quite excited listening to her (and others) experiences because it's unusual in the U.S. (10% of U.S. Jews are not white) and I dig the unusual, but this particular person is probably one of the most thinnest skinned Jews I've ever encountered. Her writings, her blog and her tweets are primarily about what she's dubbed as the "white Jewish privilege" or the "Ashkanazi privilege" which isn't just grossly insulting and highly inaccurate but to my ear, teeters on anti-Semitic. Jews have always been at the forefront of civil rights and champion minority causes other than our own all over the world, so I don't get it. Personally, I think she's enjoying some victimization status at the expense of dissing her fellow tribesmen.
And if I had any balls, I'd tell her so LOL
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:44am |
Pollution = Jobs Cantor outlines deregulation agenda for remainder of 2011
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:34:20am |
re: #636 BigPapa
Listening to her speech there, she complained about terrible job numbers of minority teenagers (yes, teenagers), and said something must be done about it, as if Obama hasn't done enough for Hispanic and Black teenagers getting jobs.
But the government is not supposed to interfere in our lives, be smaller, etc.
Lulz, whut?
She's just parroting a couple CBC members to race-bait Obama. It will work with her dumb, ignorant voting bloc, too.
Lol like any of her voters ever gave a god damn about Hispanic and Black teenagers, except to run cowering away from them when they see them coming down the street.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:35:31am |
re: #633 lostlakehiker
Please. Clinton could out-sincere Romney without even breaking a sweat. He's got the folksy, Southern, "aw shucks" cadence down to an art form. That guy could charm anyone.
Romney? Not so much.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:36:00am |
re: #646 Killgore Trout
That is the core of the GOP program: cut taxes, gut regulation, create jobs. We are currently losing jobs to Bangladesh, of if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:36:29am |
re: #646 Killgore Trout
Pollution = Jobs Cantor outlines deregulation agenda for remainder of 2011
RACE TO THE BOTTOM!
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:36:39am |
re: #646 Killgore Trout
First we shoot holes in the boat, then hire people to plug them.
Job Outlook for Respiratory Therapists:
Much faster than average growth is projected for respiratory therapists. Job opportunities should be very good.Employment change. Employment of respiratory therapists is expected to grow by 21 percent from 2008 to 2018, much faster than the average for all occupations.
[Link: www.bls.gov...]
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:37:02am |
re: #623 publicityStunted
Umm... seems to fall in line with what I was saying. The storm was anything but hype.
The damage was quite real and quite extensive. Around $7 billion in damage speaks for itself. That's a major natural disaster under any circumstances. It puts it in the top 20 all time.
Could it have been worse? Absolutely. But it's a good show that disaster prep pays off and that the loss of life and damage was limited due to good precautions. Had the storm been a bit stronger (but followed the same path), we'd be looking at a top 10 storm in terms of cost. Had it been a cat 2, we'd be looking at a top 5. Stronger than that, and we'd probably be looking at a cost close to Andrew or Katrina.
So yes, this was an excellent test of storm prep and emergency services as a good run through for when the next big one hits.
I just wish people who are complaining why the subways stopped running take a moment to realize why they did - there are subway yards in Brooklyn and Queens that were underwater during and after the storm. Flooded rail yards means that the equipment could have been written off as a total loss - meaning hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment would need to be replaced if techs couldn't get them running. Instead, we got delays and service running (not full service yet) a day after the storm left. That's incredibly good news for everyone since the MTA is in bad shape fiscally.
The MTA wasn't so lucky on the Metro North and LIRR nor was NJ Transit so lucky with its lines - they are going to take more time to recover from the damage.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:37:40am |
re: #629 Rightwingconspirator
You needed the option of a better school. And it was not there. The argument the anti voucher folks do not have a good answer for. We need to stop wish-casting better public school results.
The thing is, my school wasn't that bad. It had a few bad teacher, like every school, but most of my teachers were good. Classes weren't huge either. I don't know what caused us to fail those two years, maybe the curriculum didn't match up with the test, maybe kids didn't take it seriously, I don't know. But it wasn't because the teachers and school sucked.
I was actually fortunate enough to have the option of going to the local Catholic HS, but I wanted to stay with my friends in the public school. The Catholic school may have had a better reputation, but I don't regret my decision at all.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:37:45am |
re: #651 jaunte
First we shoot holes in the boat, then hire people to plug them.
The GOP jobs program in a nutshell.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:37:50am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:38:55am |
re: #655 Killgore Trout
Just kidding: Bachmann Campaign: Bachmann Spoke ‘In Jest’ When She Said God Was Communicating Via Earthquakes And Hurricanes
Oh, come on, Bachmann. You can't back out now. All the other batshit crazies are saying the exact same thing.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:39:34am |
re: #629 Rightwingconspirator
You needed the option of a better school. And it was not there. The argument the anti voucher folks do not have a good answer for. We need to stop wish-casting better public school results.
The voucher folks don't have an answer either, you know. There's about five million out of seventy-five million students at private schools. Where are all these other private schools going to appear from?
Have you read this? This is an answer to how we can actually get good public education:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Finland. They hold teachers in high esteem, have high requirements for them, and give them freedom and latitude.
And these results work whether they're on ethnic Finns or Somali immigrants-- the teachers rise to the challenge.
We have a gigantic anti-intellectual streak in our country, we have a fierce antipathy to science, and we've got to realize how much that is hurting our educational system.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:39:38am |
re: #655 Killgore Trout
Just kidding: Bachmann Campaign: Bachmann Spoke ‘In Jest’ When She Said God Was Communicating Via Earthquakes And Hurricanes
Did she say anything about the epic drought in Texas?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:39:51am |
re: #648 Lidane
So, Clinton was insincere... Romney is real?
/
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:40:37am |
re: #584 Rightwingconspirator
Well that is not an idea I support. And test resuylts also measure how well a school actually imaprts education, and test takin g skills. So my hypothjeical yet very common parent still has that dilemma. His "tuition" money is gone to a state run school system that is inadequate in his instance, and wants to do better for his kid. That is the heart of the voucher ebate, not your wingnut bleat
A good test will determine how much a student knows and understands. The phrase "test taking skills" is just a phrase meant to devalue and denigrate comprehension. The skills needed to answer a good test item are the exact same skills needed to use whatever is being tested in a real-world setting.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:40:51am |
re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, Clinton was insincere... Romney is real?
/
If you live in an alternate Mirror universe, yes. Hah. ;)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:41:31am |
re: #656 thedopefishlives
Oh, come on, Bachmann. You can't back out now. All the other batshit crazies are saying the exact same thing.
I think her advisers had a talk with her. It'll be really tough to answer questions about god killing innocent people (probably all Christians) with natural disasters to force the country to adopt the Tea Party's fiscal policies. It just looks bad.
| 663 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:41:44am |
re: #661 Lidane
If you live in an alternate Mirror universe, yes. Hah. ;)
Doesn't it depend on which one wears a goatee?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:41:47am |
re: #645 marjoriemoon
Her writings, her blog and her tweets are primarily about what she's dubbed as the "white Jewish privilege" or the "Ashkanazi privilege" which isn't just grossly insulting and highly inaccurate but to my ear, teeters on anti-Semitic.
Ugh, I've read people like that. There was some ahole who got caught up in that missionary adoption scam after the Haitian earthquake, Sephardic, whose other writings revealed that kind of "anti-Ashkenazi" mentality. Nasty.
| 665 |
lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:43:16am |
re: #648 Lidane
Please. Clinton could out-sincere Romney without even breaking a sweat. He's got the folksy, Southern, "aw shucks" cadence down to an art form. That guy could charm anyone.
Romney? Not so much.
I was thinking of Hillary. Can you say "humble" when thinking of her? Now Romney is in an upper class of his own when it comes to mannerisms and tone. He's a patrician. But those others cannot remotely be considered to be humble, either. Not even image wise.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:43:18am |
re: #652 lawhawk
Also playing into it is the fact that meteorology has advanced considerably since the time of Andrew. Weather prognosticators can issue watches and warnings sooner and with more reliability than they could even just 20 years ago. Early warnings help evacuation plans not to turn into disasters in their own right.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:43:29am |
re: #629 Rightwingconspirator
You needed the option of a better school. And it was not there. The argument the anti voucher folks do not have a good answer for. We need to stop wish-casting better public school results.
No, the pro vouchers people need to go to the private sector for their funds, since it's so much more efficient. /
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:43:42am |
re: #661 Lidane
I thought you said that Clinton could fake it and Romney can't.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:45:04am |
We'll talk about vouchers when the GOP stops doing everything in its power to fuck up public schools.
Mmmkay?
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:45:14am |
re: #660 lostlakehiker
No, there really is such a thing as differences in how well people take tests. Some people in those particular environments freeze up-- this is easily demonstrable by the same person getting different grades depending on how a test is administered.
The skills needed to answer a good test item are the exact same skills needed to use whatever is being tested in a real-world setting.
This is just the No True Scotsman of 'good test item'. How many tests of that sort, out of the number of tests given, actually exist?
And what do tests test? Do MCATs test an ability to gain medical knowledge, or an ability to pass through medical school-- do they predict success on other tests, or in the real world?
As one of my wife professor's said to her-- "Evidence-based medicine does not, unfortunately, mean evidence-based learning."
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:45:36am |
re: #662 Killgore Trout
I think her advisers had a talk with her. It'll be really tough to answer questions about god killing innocent people (probably all Christians) with natural disasters to force the country to adopt the Tea Party's fiscal policies. It just looks bad.
I just figured that anyone who is already so disconnected from reality wouldn't care if it looked bad. Of course, I suppose that's why she said it in the first place, before her advisors had time to apply damage control.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:46:40am |
re: #667 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, the pro vouchers people need to go to the private sector for their funds, since it's so much more efficient. /
A typical high school spends upwards of $10K per student per year. If vouchers cost less, then the public schools get a bargain of sorts. We have long since decided that it is unwise to leave the cost of education to parents alone. Too many cannot afford to give their children a reasonable education out of their own pockets.
If the public schools do not offer a reasonable education, then maybe somebody else will. That's where vouchers come in. You may say, why not fix the public schools? But when that's been tried, and it's failed, and failed, and failed, it's time to try something else.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:48:19am |
re: #665 lostlakehiker
I was thinking of Hillary. Can you say "humble" when thinking of her? Now Romney is in an upper class of his own when it comes to mannerisms and tone. He's a patrician. But those others cannot remotely be considered to be humble, either. Not even image wise.
Obama ran circles around the Clinton machine by not only building a solid ground game, but projecting much more sincerity than Hillary could manage.
And compared to Romney, the Old Navy mannequins are far more sincere.
BTW, "humility" and running for President are mutually exclusive. Anyone who thinks that they know best how to run the country obviously has an ego. The question is, who comes across as being more sincere? Romney looks like the asshole boss who fires an entire factory full of employees before going to the Hamptons for three months. For all his flaws, Obama can't quite project that same level of Total Corporate Asshole that Romney does so well.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:48:35am |
re: #660 lostlakehiker
A good test will determine how much a student knows and understands. The phrase "test taking skills" is just a phrase meant to devalue and denigrate comprehension. The skills needed to answer a good test item are the exact same skills needed to use whatever is being tested in a real-world setting.
No, it isn't. Just because one does well on a standardized test does not mean they do well at comprehension in general; they've just been taught to identify potential answers for test questions. There's nothing wrong with standardized testing, but it should be part of the picture of what makes a quality education, not the full measure.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:48:44am |
re: #657 Obdicut
We have a gigantic anti-intellectual streak in our country, we have a fierce antipathy to science, and we've got to realize how much that is hurting our educational system.
I always appreciated Americans' folksy, down-to-earth distrust of intellectualism, but lately it has taken on rather threatening contours.
Add to that a distrust of anything to do with unions and government and we are perched on a precipice.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:48:48am |
re: #672 lostlakehiker
A typical high school spends upwards of $10K per student per year. If vouchers cost less, then the public schools get a bargain of sorts. We have long since decided that it is unwise to leave the cost of education to parents alone. Too many cannot afford to give their children a reasonable education out of their own pockets.
If the public schools do not offer a reasonable education, then maybe somebody else will. That's where vouchers come in. You may say, why not fix the public schools? But when that's been tried, and it's failed, and failed, and failed, it's time to try something else.
Once private schools have to take everyone like public schools do they will 'fail' also.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:50:24am |
re: #668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought you said that Clinton could fake it and Romney can't.
Clinton IS charming. I've seen him speak in person. The guy can work a room, and he can also make fun of himself. You can't fake that. Either people believe you, or they don't.
Romney just seems like too much of a plastic tool for that.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:50:46am |
re: #610 Lidane
For an omnipotent, omniscient being, God sure has a problem just talking to people. WTF.
Bachmann: Hurricane Was A Message From God To Washington About Spending
He's worse than a woman with all the hints - 'well if you can't figure it out I'm not going to tell you'.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:50:55am |
re: #672 lostlakehiker
Again: Where are these private schools going to come from?
How are they going to deal with the students that cost so much to the public schools-- the unruly, the mentally challenged, the behaviorally challenged?
Private schools for those tend to be quite a bit higher, you know.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:51:49am |
re: #670 Obdicut
No, there really is such a thing as differences in how well people take tests. Some people in those particular environments freeze up-- this is easily demonstrable by the same person getting different grades depending on how a test is administered.
This is just the No True Scotsman of 'good test item'. How many tests of that sort, out of the number of tests given, actually exist?
And what do tests test? Do MCATs test an ability to gain medical knowledge, or an ability to pass through medical school-- do they predict success on other tests, or in the real world?
As one of my wife professor's said to her-- "Evidence-based medicine does not, unfortunately, mean evidence-based learning."
MCATS do correlate with success in medical school. Students with very low MCAT scores, who are admitted anyhow, are much more likely to have to repeat a year of medical school, and much more likely to fail their state licensing exams. When they go into practice, if they ever qualify at all, they're more likely to have bad results, and they're more likely to have their licenses revoked.
Tests do predict real world results.
There are some bad tests, but one reason for that is that items that require reasoning as well as factual knowledge tend to be purged from the instrument, because they drag scores down or something. In other words, the authorities who commission the test don't want it to be a good test. They want it to give results that make them look good.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:52:26am |
re: #672 lostlakehiker
But when that's been tried, and it's failed, and failed, and failed, it's time to try something else.
Lol sure it has.
The thing to try is getting the private sector to fund the private schools. Leave tax money, which is supposed to be for every student, out of it.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:53:07am |
re: #676 Varek Raith
Once private schools have to take everyone like public schools do they will 'fail' also.
The Catholic system of NYC offered to do just that. They said give us anybody you like. Anybody at all. The NYC public system wouldn't pick up the gantlet.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:53:22am |
re: #679 Obdicut
Private schools for those tend to be quite a bit higher, you know.
Then let's get the gubment to pay for it!!!
Oh wait...
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:54:11am |
Like I'm going to trust the GOP on education. The anti science party.
Lol.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:54:14am |
re: #678 b_sharp
He's worse than a woman with all the hints - 'well if you can't figure it out I'm not going to tell you'.
A man was stranded on the roof of his house during a massive flood. He cried out to God to miraculously save him from the roof. Five minutes later, a man in a boat rows up, asks if he needs help. "No thanks, God is going to save me." The boatman rows off. The man again cries out to the heavens, "God, save me!" Five minutes later, a National Guardsman trolls up in a boat, asks if he needs help. He gives the same reply. Yet again, the man beseeches God to rescue him. A helicopter drops from the sky, asks if he needs to be rescued. Again he replies in the negative. An hour later, his house collapses and the man dies in the floodwaters. When he arrives at the Pearly Gates, he inquires of Saint Peter why God didn't save him. Peter replies, "He sent you two boats and a helicopter, weren't you paying attention?"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:54:44am |
re: #679 Obdicut
Private schools for those tend to be quite a bit higher, you know.
You mean prisons?
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Interesting Times Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:54:55am |
re: #679 Obdicut
How are they going to deal with the students that cost so much to the public schools-- the unruly, the mentally challenged, the behaviorally challenged?
Put them to work in the open-pit toxic waste dumps that are bound to pop up once we get rid of the EPA and its job-killing regulations. Win-win!
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:55:22am |
re: #684 Varek Raith
Like I'm going to trust the GOP on education. The anti science party.
Lol.
Seriously.
Any party that trusts David Barton and the Discovery Institute as valid sources of information should never be trusted with the education of anyone's children.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:56:05am |
re: #672 lostlakehiker
If the public schools do not offer a reasonable education, then maybe somebody else will. That's where vouchers come in. You may say, why not fix the public schools? But when that's been tried, and it's failed, and failed, and failed, it's time to try something else.
Once again, apples and oranges. The US Post Office has to charge the same rate whether it delivers to a sparsely populated area or an urban center. Medicare and Medicaid have to take people with pre-existing condidtions.
We cannot compare them to private couriers who can ignore certain delivery areias or prive insurers who can cherry-pick their clients. Public schools have to deliver an edication to anyone who enrols. They cannot expel students except for extreme cases.
Private schools do not operate on those constraints. If they are to receive voucher funding, then they should.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:56:17am |
re: #677 Lidane
It's called charisma - and presidents have to have that in spades these days with the 24/7 media. Successful politicians have charisma and then some.
Bill Clinton had it. He could work a room and give a speech like no other.
GW Bush had it. He was able to work a room better than pretty much anyone not named Clinton. But couldn't give a big speech as well as Clinton.
Obama has it. Can give a speech like few others and can work almost as well as Bill.
Hillary simply couldn't match Obama, and McCain also suffered in comparison to Obama on the charisma factor and ability to give speeches.
Among the current crop of GOP pretenders - maybe Mitt has the charisma to give a speech and work a room, but the rest of the field are sorely lacking. And that's not a judgment on the candidates' character, fitness, or content of speeches. It's merely my observation on their intangible ability to work a room and inspire.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:56:33am |
re: #680 lostlakehiker
MCATS do correlate with success in medical school. Students with very low MCAT scores, who are admitted anyhow, are much more likely to have to repeat a year of medical school, and much more likely to fail their state licensing exams.
Yes. They predict success on other tests very well.
When they go into practice, if they ever qualify at all, they're more likely to have bad results, and they're more likely to have their licenses revoked.
Can you back this portion up at all? You know, facts?
There are some bad tests, but one reason for that is that items that require reasoning as well as factual knowledge tend to be purged from the instrument, because they drag scores down or something. In other words, the authorities who commission the test don't want it to be a good test. They want it to give results that make them look good.
That's one reason. The other is that designing a good test is amazingly, amazingly hard. It is not the blithely easy thing you're making it out to be.
If MCATS are a predictor of med school success, why do the schools factor in anything else? Please take this question rather seriously, since it's the obvious, glaring weak point of your argument.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:57:31am |
re: #681 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol sure it has.
The thing to try is getting the private sector to fund the private schools. Leave tax money, which is supposed to be for every student, out of it.
The school systems we're talking about don't deliver an acceptable education. Something has got to be done. Unless it's just fine with you that the kids don't learn enough to have much of a chance in life. Hey, the public school management pulls down good money. And that's the whole point of the taxes, innit?
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:57:58am |
re: #664 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ugh, I've read people like that. There was some ahole who got caught up in that missionary adoption scam after the Haitian earthquake, Sephardic, whose other writings revealed that kind of "anti-Ashkenazi" mentality. Nasty.
It was very disheartening to me. And this person is from NYC so I really don't understand her reactions. She did convert Orthodox so that could be part of it. Not to diss the Orthodox, but they seem to be more judgmental than Reform or Conservative. I have one friend, gay, Black and Jewish who converted Reform, and though I think she relates to some aspects of being an "oddity" (for lack of better word), she doesn't carry that giant chip.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:58:01am |
re: #657 Obdicut
The voucher folks don't have an answer either, you know. There's about five million out of seventy-five million students at private schools. Where are all these other private schools going to appear from?
Have you read this? This is an answer to how we can actually get good public education:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Finland. They hold teachers in high esteem, have high requirements for them, and give them freedom and latitude.
And these results work whether they're on ethnic Finns or Somali immigrants-- the teachers rise to the challenge.
We have a gigantic anti-intellectual streak in our country, we have a fierce antipathy to science, and we've got to realize how much that is hurting our educational system.
Vouchers have a shot at giving some parents more options. Which could be a great start to real changes. And it's not an anti intellectual /Tea Party takeover that took LAUSD to the low academic level it suffers. That goes way back to when, like today, the Dems were/are in charge. And I just do not see LAUSD adopting these better methods anytime soon.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:59:55am |
re: #689 ralphieboy
Private schools do not operate on those constraints. If they are to receive voucher funding, then they should.
They can beef up their staff and curriculum while they're at it.
But see, what you're proposing will never fly with the voucher-grabbing, anti-public types.
They just want an end to public education, period. And they want the money that goes to education for themselves and themselves only. Their sobstory b.s. about somehow "helping" urban schools all of a sudden after generations of depleting them is a buncha bull they don't even believe themselves.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:00:26am |
re: #694 Rightwingconspirator
Again: Where will the other schools come from? Will every parent have a chance to send their kid to private school?
And it's not an anti intellectual /Tea Party takeover that took LAUSD to the low academic level it suffers. That goes way back to when, like today, the Dems were/are in charge.
The atmosphere in our society where we deride intellectuals, where one major party openly embraces anti-scientific principles, does indeed affect education. Educators in Finland have high social status, it's seen as a valuable and desirable job. Educators in the US are treated with barely-concealed contempt by many, suspicion by others, and have few defenders. Sadly, this has changed within my lifetime.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:02:18am |
re: #695 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I was just saying that is what it would take to level the playing field. But yes, there are people out to make an ideological point. At the expense of our children and our future.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:02:56am |
re: #691 Obdicut
I'll address this part (since it applies to anyone in the grad school/law school/med school process):
If MCATS are a predictor of med school success, why do the schools factor in anything else? Please take this question rather seriously, since it's the obvious, glaring weak point of your argument.
If you have two candidates with the same MCAT score but only one slot, you need to take other factors into consideration to differentiate and judge a better candidate for school - who will be more successful.
That brings in other educational scoring (grades/transcripts), extracurricular activities (for rounding out student base), geographical distributions, race, gender, ethnicity, or legacy admissions.
LSATs are a judge of law school success, but not completely. After all someone can do average on the LSAT, get into a law school, and excel. They may not make the big name firm, but can end up doing great things. We've got bar exams to take in NYS that are as difficult as any exam anyone has to take. It washes out even top people. To that end, a guy I know who graduated from Albany Law, failed the NYS bar exam a couple of times, and then not only managed to pass, but has gone on to great things... you might have heard of him - Andrew Cuomo, Gov. of NYS.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:04:28am |
re: #694 Rightwingconspirator
That goes way back to when, like today, the Dems were/are in charge.
No, it goes back to Prop 13, which was indeed a proto-teabagger, anti-tax measure. Dems cannot be blamed for that, but we've had to put up with it.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:05:52am |
re: #698 lawhawk
If you have two candidates with the same MCAT score but only one slot, you need to take other factors into consideration to differentiate and judge a better candidate for school - who will be more successful.
No, the MCAT is not used as the primary decider. Schools actually in general rely on GPA (with consideration for the university) more than they do the raw MCAT. The MCAT and GPA are both used as a cutoff, but after that, GPA will tend to matter more.
The bar stuff is an interesting wrinkle, since passing law school and taking the bar can be seen as two tests which are obviously somewhat trying to test the same thing, and yet clearly not very in synch.
And I have no idea what's up with California's bar, when Orly Taitz passed it.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:06:52am |
re: #690 lawhawk
Oh, yeah. Much as I disagreed with his politics, Dubya could work a room. Hell, if I ever met the guy I'd be hard pressed to be mad at him. I'd shake his hand and smile, since my manners would prohibit anything less.
Obama has that rockstar quality that both Reagan and Clinton had. All three of them could give a hell of a speech and could work a room like nobody's business.
I can't stand listening to Romney. He just doesn't appeal to me at all. Maybe compared to the rest of the GOP field he has charisma, but that's not saying much. It's what makes Rick Perry such a threat to Mitt's chances, and why a more formidable personality, like Huckabee or Christie, would also destroy him. Romney just can't appeal to anyone who isn't already on his side. He lacks that rockstar charisma.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:07:05am |
re: #697 ralphieboy
I was just saying that is what it would take to level the playing field. But yes, there are people out to make an ideological point. At the expense of our children and our future.
Yeah, those are people for whom the phrase "level playing field" is enough to send them to the emergency room, short of breath.
And hey, for some of them, the Lord is coming back soon anyway, so they have no problem grabbing all they can from others before that happens.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:07:08am |
re: #679 Obdicut
Again: Where are these private schools going to come from?
How are they going to deal with the students that cost so much to the public schools-- the unruly, the mentally challenged, the behaviorally challenged?
Private schools for those tend to be quite a bit higher, you know.
The unruly can be brought to accept the necessity for orderly behavior. Voucher schools have a pretty good record in bringing them around. The mentally challenged cannot be educated in mainstream classrooms. (That's pretty much the definition of "mentally challenged.") Neither in voucherland, nor in public school-land. They require special attention and a curriculum tailored to their limits. The behaviorally challenged cannot be permitted to raise Cain in the classroom. If, for some reason, public schools cannot restrain that kind of disruptive behavior, then the kid should get a room and a teacher of his own, together with some medical attention to the behavior issues, and dare I say it, some disciplinary attention.
All these costs can go into a special category of the budget, so that the actual cost of educating the rest of the student body, the ones who aren't exceptionally difficult, can be calculated. Then, vouchers can be funded at a fraction (70%?) of that...of the cost of educating children who are in principle capable of participating in normal classroom instruction.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:07:48am |
re: #700 Obdicut
And I have no idea what's up with California's bar, when Orly Taitz passed it.
Obsessive-compulsive types do very well at exams.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:09:10am |
re: #703 lostlakehiker
That's all well and good. Now explain how all of that would be funded by the GOP, who want to eliminate the Department of Education.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:10:20am |
re: #703 lostlakehiker
The unruly can be brought to accept the necessity for orderly behavior.
Oh, I forgot about your goddamn magic wand. If this were true, why do private schools tend to not accept kids with behavior problems? Why don't they just 'bring them to accept the necessity for orderly behavior"?
Voucher schools have a pretty good record in bringing them around.
Proof, backup for this, any? Is this a statistic you actually have any reason to believe, or do you just want to believe it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:10:22am |
re: #703 lostlakehiker
The unruly can be brought to accept the necessity for orderly behavior. Voucher schools have a pretty good record in bringing them around. The mentally challenged cannot be educated in mainstream classrooms. (That's pretty much the definition of "mentally challenged.") Neither in voucherland, nor in public school-land. They require special attention and a curriculum tailored to their limits. The behaviorally challenged cannot be permitted to raise Cain in the classroom. If, for some reason, public schools cannot restrain that kind of disruptive behavior, then the kid should get a room and a teacher of his own, together with some medical attention to the behavior issues, and dare I say it, some disciplinary attention.
All these costs can go into a special category of the budget, so that the actual cost of educating the rest of the student body, the ones who aren't exceptionally difficult, can be calculated. Then, vouchers can be funded at a fraction (70%?) of that...of the cost of educating children who are in principle capable of participating in normal classroom instruction.
Then let them go to the private sector for their voucher money. They're more efficient than government will ever be. //
Plus, there's no additinal, pesky state regulation, either.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:10:27am |
Obama Derangement Syndrome: Hurricane Irene Edition
ODS is making BDS look like a minor affliction.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:10:43am |
re: #705 Lidane
That's all well and good. Now explain how all of that would be funded by the GOP, who want to eliminate the Department of Education.
NO U.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:11:36am |
re: #702 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, those are people for whom the phrase "level playing field" is enough to send them to the emergency room, short of breath.
I thought that "level playing field" was a key concept behind Free Trade.
And of course, it means that every individual should be able to bargain with a multinational coporation for labor contracts and insurance policies freely and fairly - without the "interference" of unions or government agencies...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:11:41am |
re: #708 Varek Raith
Obama Derangement Syndrome: Hurricane Irene Edition
ODS is making BDS look like a minor affliction.
It's almost like the left-wing moonbats and the right-wing nutjobs are looking at each other and screaming, "Anything you can do, I can do better."
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:12:07am |
re: #711 thedopefishlives
It's almost like the left-wing moonbats and the right-wing nutjobs are looking at each other and screaming, "Anything you can do, I can do better."
It's what they do.
Wheee!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:12:23am |
re: #699 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
As if LAUSD suffers a lack of funding... LOL. The classrooms lack funding LAUSD does not. Prop 13 will not serve as a useful excuse in this instance. Bad managers and executives can take the blame far more acurately. And since more money does not demonstrably assure better test scores, why bring up 13 at all?
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:13:46am |
Cantor: No Disaster Relief Funding For Hurricane Irene Without Budget Cuts
Cantor referred a bill the Republican-controlled House passed that approves $1 billion in disaster relief, which was financed by a $1.5 billion cut from loan program to encourage the production of fuel-efficient vehicles. But the need in the wake of the hurricane will likely greatly surpass $1 billion, and that spending package was supposed to be used for tornado recovery efforts, for which several hundred million dollars has already been outlayed.
Ransom.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:14:03am |
re: #714 Rightwingconspirator
There is a huge problem in how the administrative level of schools has blown up. That I will definitely agree with, and that is a governmental problem. an actual case of huge government bloat and spending in all the wrong areas.
However, the reasons for that are not immediately apparent or clear.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:14:30am |
re: #691 Obdicut
Yes. They predict success on other tests very well.
Can you back this portion up at all? You know, facts?
That's one reason. The other is that designing a good test is amazingly, amazingly hard. It is not the blithely easy thing you're making it out to be.
If MCATS are a predictor of med school success, why do the schools factor in anything else? Please take this question rather seriously, since it's the obvious, glaring weak point of your argument.
MCATS are not the only predictor. College grades are also predictive. Character, if it can be discerned, is important. Where the grades were earned, and in which courses, has to be considered.
If MCATS were not predictive, they would not be used. You may be aware that the strength of a correlation can be dependent on how narrow a pool is. In a general admissions college, SAT scores vary more than at Cal Tech. As a result of how correlations are computed, when you run the numbers, you see that SAT scores are not as predictive at CalTech as they are at StateU.
That's because the SAT scores of students at CalTech are bunched right at the top. In the same way, most medical school students, the ones actually admitted, have high, and narrowly bunched, MCAT scores. The small remaining differences between one and the next, among the pool of those admitted because of good test scores, has less predictive value within that pool.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:14:54am |
re: #715 Varek Raith
Cantor: No Disaster Relief Funding For Hurricane Irene Without Budget Cuts
Ransom.
Give us the money or the victim gets it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:15:25am |
re: #692 lostlakehiker
Something has got to be done.
Then go to the private sector to do it. Don't take everyone's money to send some students to schools that exclude other taxpayer's children.
Unless it's just fine with you that the kids don't learn enough to have much of a chance in life.
There's that bogus class canard again. Since when do cons suddenly give a rat's butt about these school districts they've been depleting for generations?
Wait, I know...as soon as they are convenient red herrings in the service of shutting down the public sector.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:15:52am |
re: #702 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nobody wants a level playing field for their children. Everybody wants to skew it in their child's favor.
Anybody who says anything different is selling something.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:16:14am |
re: #582 Killgore Trout
Fox declares Obama is illiterate...
American Thinker: Early Letter Confirms Obama’s Inability to Write
Ah, racism.
/spits
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:17:21am |
re: #717 lostlakehiker
MCATS are not the only predictor. College grades are also predictive. Character, if it can be discerned, is important. Where the grades were earned, and in which courses, has to be considered.
Then why not the MCAT alone? What do the others show that the MCAT does not?
If MCATS were not predictive, they would not be used.
Um, you do realize we're not arguing whether they're predictive, right? You're claiming the equate perfectly to real-world success. It's obviously untrue. If that were true, it'd be impossible for people to have high GPAs but low MCATs, and vice versa. Which happens all the time.
If all you're saying is that tests offer some predictive ability, then sure, nobody would argue against that. But there can obviously be better predictors; for most med schools, GPAs are better predictors than MCATs.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:17:24am |
re: #706 Obdicut
Oh, I forgot about your goddamn magic wand. If this were true, why do private schools tend to not accept kids with behavior problems? Why don't they just 'bring them to accept the necessity for orderly behavior"?
Proof, backup for this, any? Is this a statistic you actually have any reason to believe, or do you just want to believe it.
I drew the distinction between unruly kids, and those with behavior problems. You misquoted me and struck down your straw man.
You will demand statistics if I say the sun rises in the East.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:01am |
re: #711 thedopefishlives
It's almost like the left-wing moonbats and the right-wing nutjobs are looking at each other and screaming, "Anything you can do, I can do better."
I think that's actually sort of true. They think the crazy left wing base resulted in the election of a radical communist in 2008. Somewhere in the wingnut mind they think they can go just as crazy and elect their own radical.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:09am |
re: #723 lostlakehiker
I drew the distinction between unruly kids, and those with behavior problems. You misquoted me and struck down your straw man.
I'm sorry, to me having behavior problems and being unruly are the same damn thing. I have no idea what technical difference you think there is.
You will demand statistics if I say the sun rises in the East.
No, I ask for you to back up statistical claims you make that are obviously in doubt. You never provide them, which leads me to believe you don't actually have any actual empirical data, but instead are just claiming what you prefer to be true.
The easy way to prove me wrong is to actually back up the claims that you make.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:45am |
re: #716 Obdicut
If the partisan show were on the other foot, would we hesitate to blame the Republicans? (Rhetorical)
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:21:01am |
re: #722 Obdicut
Then why not the MCAT alone? What do the others show that the MCAT does not?
Um, you do realize we're not arguing whether they're predictive, right? You're claiming the equate perfectly to real-world success. It's obviously untrue. If that were true, it'd be impossible for people to have high GPAs but low MCATs, and vice versa. Which happens all the time.
If all you're saying is that tests offer some predictive ability, then sure, nobody would argue against that. But there can obviously be better predictors; for most med schools, GPAs are better predictors than MCATs.
I am NOT claiming that MCATS are perfect. I agree that GPA's are predictive too. But MCATS provide a check, an audit if you will, of GPAs. Some schools hand out good grades like candy, after all. Others grade tough. The MCAT is the same for students who went to either. This, I suspect, accounts for much of the failure of MCAT scores to track GPA's perfectly.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:21:01am |
re: #724 Killgore Trout
That's an interesting theory. If they manage to convince themselves of Obama's radicalization, their desire for radicalization can be excused to themselves more easily.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:21:46am |
re: #714 Rightwingconspirator
As if LAUSD suffers a lack of funding... LOL. The classrooms lack funding LAUSD does not. Prop 13 will not serve as a useful excuse in this instance. Bad managers and executives can take the blame far more acurately. And since more money does not demonstrably assure better test scores, why bring up 13 at all?
Because attacking a tax revolt is part of OCSP's tactic of claiming conservatism has no value.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:22:53am |
re: #729 Dark_Falcon
13 has proven a useful scapegoat to let the Dems off the hook for multiple levels if poor management in California. They can not face owning the challenges.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:23:43am |
re: #727 lostlakehiker
Well shit, if all you're saying is tests are somewhat predictive, sure. But there can easily be people who do badly on tests and perform very well in the real world.
Your original claim was " The skills needed to answer a good test item are the exact same skills needed to use whatever is being tested in a real-world setting.", which is amazingly hyperbolic and obviously untrue.
Hell, I mean, five seconds of thought can tell you this. Unless you just take this to the ridiculous level of saying that for some things a real world usage of the skill is the form the test would make, which would be hilarious.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:24:34am |
re: #728 Obdicut
That's an interesting theory. If they manage to convince themselves of Obama's radicalization, their desire for radicalization can be excused to themselves more easily.
Think of the central image of the Tea Party: a popular uprising against a tyrannical despot. They need that idea to fuel their agenda.
It does no good to remind them that our current governmnet was elected freely, fairly and deomcratically, and that calling for for its violent overthrow ("Second Amendment remedies") constitutes sedition.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:25:13am |
re: #726 Rightwingconspirator
If the partisan show ere of the other foot, would we hesitate to blame the Republicans? (Rhetorical)
What are you talking about? I don't actually know why the administrative level at schools has increased. It hasn't just been in California, it's been nationwide, not just in Democratic states.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:25:44am |
re: #714 Rightwingconspirator
As if LAUSD suffers a lack of funding... LOL. The classrooms lack funding LAUSD does not. Prop 13 will not serve as a useful excuse in this instance. Bad managers and executives can take the blame far more acurately. And since more money does not demonstrably assure better test scores, why bring up 13 at all?
Wrong emphasis. Test scores don't measure much of anything.
What's in bold doesn't make sense, unless you're arguing for bloated admin budgets, which I would agree with. But Prop 13-era school funding based in ADA affects issues such as class size, another measure of what makes a decent education.
Then, there are the cases where thanks to Prop 13, there isn't a state budget at all...
Teabagger economics ruins everything in its path, including education.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:26:56am |
re: #715 Varek Raith
Cantor: No Disaster Relief Funding For Hurricane Irene Without Budget Cuts
Ransom.
Cantor is under great pressure to deliver the specified budget cuts. His party base does not want to hear a any excuses, they want the promised results. Too often have Republicans promised cuts in the past and then failed to deliver. The attitude of the GOP's base is "we won't get fooled again". It's like some jobs I've held:
"You will meet the metric or you'll be fired. No excuses."
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:27:47am |
re: #735 Dark_Falcon
Well, when the GOP has lied to its base and told them cuts in the middle of a recession are good, this is what you get. People believe them. I have no idea why, but they do.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:28:27am |
re: #733 Obdicut
An absolutely wild stab at it.
More bureaucrats are needed to handle the significant higher amount of answering to bureaucracy?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:29:18am |
re: #724 Killgore Trout
I think that's actually sort of true. They think the crazy left wing base resulted in the election of a radical communist in 2008. Somewhere in the wingnut mind they think they can go just as crazy and elect their own radical.
I was more referring to the fact that each round of wackos seems to be trying to shout their angry message louder than the round before them. But hey, I like that one better, let's go with it.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:29:31am |
re: #725 Obdicut
I'm sorry, to me having behavior problems and being unruly are the same damn thing. I have no idea what technical difference you think there is.
No, I ask for you to back up statistical claims you make that are obviously in doubt. You never provide them, which leads me to believe you don't actually have any actual empirical data, but instead are just claiming what you prefer to be true.
The easy way to prove me wrong is to actually back up the claims that you make.
There's a huge difference. Unruly kids have bad habits, and these can be corrected. School systems that make discipline and order a priority have good results with those kids. School uniforms may be a contributing factor. It's been tried in public schools as well.
Some schools have thrown in the towel. They don't even try to maintain order. The naturally orderly kids just hunker down, but the born rapscallions bloom into unruly brats.
With a different atmosphere, they bloom into fine, daring youth.
Those with behavioral problems are, again pretty much by definition, impervious to the standard tools of order-keeping. They're not born to raise hell, but they won't come around without some well thought out, perceptive individual attention. Including negative consequences that are easy to understand, easy to predict, and impossible to escape. Not harsh, mind you.
But also including prompt praise for even small steps in the right direction, and rewards for continuity of good behavior.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:30:55am |
re: #734 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Wrong emphasis. Test scores don't measure much of anything.
Er, they become class grades which become grade averages, which factor heavily in higher education options.
Test scores are the measure we have that is built right into the system. Ignoring them would be the height of foolishness for a parent. Questioning them is for those who manage the system, not those who have kids in the system.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:32:12am |
re: #729 Dark_Falcon
Because attacking a tax revolt is part of OCSP's tactic of claiming conservatism has no value.
Baloney. I've never made any such claim about "conservatism". If I wanted to, however, I would just tell you that directly and not mince any words about it. You should know this about me, by now.
As for the actual topic -- which is not your displeasure with what you read in my posts -- Prop 13 affects the educational system in my state. So while you may not think so, it's worth bringing into a conversation about LAUSD.
For your part, there is no need for the knee-jerk defense to vindicate poor, hapless little "conservatism" from OCSP's terrible, unfair posts. e_e "Conservatism" can handle anything I have to say about it.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:32:29am |
re: #733 Obdicut
What are you talking about? I don't actually know why the administrative level at schools has increased. It hasn't just been in California, it's been nationwide, not just in Democratic states.
It increased because it was allowed to by those in charge. No need to muddy the waters. The monies for classrooms were misspent on admin by admin.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:33:27am |
re: #740 lostlakehiker
Okay. Sure, there's a huge difference in your mind. This is not a technical difference, it's you and I using a word differently. It's not an attempt for me to strawman you.
Private schools select against BOTH unruly kids and kids with behavioral problems, so it's a completely moot point.
School systems that make discipline and order a priority have good results with those kids. School uniforms may be a contributing factor. It's been tried in public schools as well.
The idea that all behavioral problems can be corrected in a school is facile and wishful thinking. Kids with terrible home lives, who lack support from parents, are far, far harder to change the behavior of. If you get to have a boarding school where you can expel kids, sure, you can get a consistent set of behavior. Otherwise, you're going to fail with a certain number of kids. We can constantly improve that-- at least, I believe we can-- but we do not currently have any magic wand solution whereby all unruly kids become daring youth.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:34:26am |
re: #731 Obdicut
Well shit, if all you're saying is tests are somewhat predictive, sure. But there can easily be people who do badly on tests and perform very well in the real world.
Your original claim was " The skills needed to answer a good test item are the exact same skills needed to use whatever is being tested in a real-world setting.", which is amazingly hyperbolic and obviously untrue.
Hell, I mean, five seconds of thought can tell you this. Unless you just take this to the ridiculous level of saying that for some things a real world usage of the skill is the form the test would make, which would be hilarious.
A good test does its best, within the constraints of time and budget, to match the real world usage. A test of chess skill, for instance, could take the form of having the student play a computer a couple of games, with the computer level adjusted as one went along. A test of musical mastery? Play this piece.
A test of mathematical knowledge? Work this problem.
A test of literacy skills? All the essays we see at LGF are quick, impromptu demonstrations of literacy. Almost without exception, at a high level, for that matter.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:34:36am |
re: #743 Rightwingconspirator
It increased because it was allowed to by those in charge. No need to muddy the waters. The monies for classrooms were misspent on admin by admin.
Okay. So it's happened in both Republican and and Democratic states. So why did it increase. Why did they let it. I really don't know, and I'd really like to. Saying the budget rose because people let it rose is, well, true, but it doesn't explain why.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:35:00am |
re: #645 marjoriemoon
What doesn't kill ya, makes ya stronger, usually applies pretty well.
I had to unfollow a woman on Twitter who identifies as a "Jew of Color". I was initially quite excited listening to her (and others) experiences because it's unusual in the U.S. (10% of U.S. Jews are not white) and I dig the unusual, but this particular person is probably one of the most thinnest skinned Jews I've ever encountered. Her writings, her blog and her tweets are primarily about what she's dubbed as the "white Jewish privilege" or the "Ashkanazi privilege" which isn't just grossly insulting and highly inaccurate but to my ear, teeters on anti-Semitic. Jews have always been at the forefront of civil rights and champion minority causes other than our own all over the world, so I don't get it. Personally, I think she's enjoying some victimization status at the expense of dissing her fellow tribesmen.
And if I had any balls, I'd tell her so LOL
Did she get to the part about Ashkenazi Jews being "not real Jews" but Khazars? That's like, a totally neo-nazi talking point.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:36:19am |
re: #745 lostlakehiker
A good test does its best, within the constraints of time and budget, to match the real world usage.
Sure. But this can still leave a very broad gap, in a large number of cases.
It is not, as you claimed, that they are the same skills necessary. They are, in an ideal test, as close as you can get it. It is not going to be perfect. In the real, even-less-perfect world, they will often be quite disparate, either because of badly designed tests, a different motive for the test-maker, a hard-to-test population, or any number of other reasons.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:37:03am |
re: #746 Obdicut
Poor oversight is a fair assumption. In further detail, it will go case by case. This of course also strongly plays into the hands of those who decry govt clerical.admin bloat.
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AK-47% Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:37:19am |
re: #735 Dark_Falcon
Cantor "You will meet the metric or you'll be fired. No excuses."
[Link: www.os-community.de...]
Have not been able to find an English version, but in summary:
So a German truck driver who stopped to offer life-saving emergency assistance on the Autobahn was fired for being late.
The company's reasoning was that he was already far behind schedule when he stopped to offer assistance and would have been late even had he not.
I can somehow see Eric Cantor as that fellow's boss...The metaphor fits to a tee.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:38:06am |
re: #730 Rightwingconspirator
13 has proven a useful scapegoat to let the Dems off the hook for multiple levels if poor management in California. They can not face owning the challenges.
Agreed. Prop 13 wasn't what landed California in its current bind, it was spending without restraint and business-killing regulation and taxation.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:38:22am |
re: #749 Rightwingconspirator
Poor oversight is a fair assumption. In further detail, it will go case by case. This of course also strongly plays into the hands of those who decry govt clerical.admin bloat.
Again, I then want to push forwards and ask what the problem is with oversight. I really do feel that a lot of the problem is that we don't value teachers remotely as we should, and we view schools in a large way as places that are supposed to contain children or teach them certain values. I think there's been a lot of shedding of parental responsibility, and a lot of commensurate anti-intellectualism that's made teachers not able to rely on parents.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:39:13am |
re: #751 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Prop 13 wasn't what landed California in its current bind, it was spending without restraint and business-killing regulation and taxation.
Dark, you have no good knowledge of California's problems. I've had very long conversations with you about them, and yet you keep boiling it down to this fiction that is convenient for your philosophy. It is beginning to seem quite disingenuous of you.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:39:58am |
re: #741 Rightwingconspirator
Wrong emphasis. Test scores don't measure much of anything.
Er, they become class grades which become grade averages, which factor heavily in higher education options.
Test scores are the measure we have that is built right into the system.
"The system" didn't drop out of Heaven into school boards and administrations. They were made, and can be altered, challenged, whatever.
How do test scores become class grades?
Ignoring them would be the height of foolishness for a parent. Questioning them is for those who manage the system, not those who have kids in the system.
Nowhere have I said to ignore test scores. I've only said they are part of the picture of what makes a so-called "good" education. I've been saying so all morning.
BTW, I'm free to question whatever I please, including what I see as an overemphasis on test scores, or this idea they are the be-all-end-all measure of everything. That attitude that parents aren't allowed to question the measure or value of testing is an authoritarian one I reject.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:40:17am |
And I completely agree prop XIII can't be blamed for everything. It's not a good policy, but it's not the sole cause of the problem. The prison industry-- which every politician in California, democrat or Republican sucks up to-- is a very large part of the budgetary and political problem.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:40:17am |
re: #751 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Prop 13 wasn't what landed California in its current bind, it was spending without restraint and business-killing regulation and taxation.
What regulation?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:43:33am |
re: #755 Obdicut
And I completely agree prop XIII can't be blamed for everything. It's not a good policy, but it's not the sole cause of the problem. The prison industry-- which every politician in California, democrat or Republican sucks up to-- is a very large part of the budgetary and political problem.
The problem with that is that any reform will be attacked as "soft on crime" or "cheating the guards". So everyone just feeds the elephant in the room, because if you anger the elephant it pounds the daylights out of you. The careerism of politicians is a key point here.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:44:44am |
re: #730 Rightwingconspirator
13 has proven a useful scapegoat to let the Dems off the hook for multiple levels if poor management in California. They can not face owning the challenges.
Lol when have "Dems" ever been let off the hook by anyone? I'm just not permitting you to scapegoat "Dems" for the LAUSD situation, when there is a broader picture.
You can't talk about public education in CA without talking about Prop 13, which was put there a generation ago by proto-teabagger elements. That's just a historical fact.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:45:52am |
re: #757 Dark_Falcon
The main problem is the drug war itself-- but the prison union opposes most reformations of the law to decrease the prison population. So do most of the GOP legislators. It's one of the few areas where a union and the GOP are more in synch than the Democrats.
But the Democrats certainly aren't any stalwarts in that regard. Obama has been quite disappointing in that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:46:23am |
re: #751 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Prop 13 wasn't what landed California in its current bind, it was spending without restraint and business-killing regulation and taxation.
That is 100% repeated, parroted claptrap from Dick Armey or Heritage or one of those. There's nothing original in it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:47:44am |
re: #757 Dark_Falcon
The problem with that is that any reform will be attacked as "soft on crime" or "cheating the guards". So everyone just feeds the elephant in the room, because if you anger the elephant it pounds the daylights out of you. The careerism of politicians is a key point here.
Prison guards: the only union members conservatives like.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:52:25am |
re: #761 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Prison guards: the only union members conservatives like.
The things is that prison guards unions are not like the SEIU or teacher's unions. They can and have supported both Democrats and Republicans. Thus the GOP is careful to court them. Added to that is that prisons tend to be in more rural areas, and such areas are more likely to be Republican. So its lees about philosophy and more about practical concerns.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:06:52am |
re: #762 Dark_Falcon
The things is that prison guards unions are not like the SEIU or teacher's unions. They can and have supported both Democrats and Republicans.
So have the evil "teacher's unions", and a bunch of other unions that never make the conservative boogieman list.
The prison guard union in CA has disproportionate political power, which I never hear cons whining about...only the teachers and firefighters (which also support both Ds and Rs.)
Thus the GOP is careful to court them. Added to that is that prisons tend to be in more rural areas, and such areas are more likely to be Republican. So its lees about philosophy and more about practical concerns.
e_e
Reagan Democrats, remember them?
Conservatives just get off on the idea of state-sponsored punishment, and admire the people who administer it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:19:26am |
re: #492 RogueOne
in the case of IN the vouchers are not going directly to any religious institution, they're going to individuals with the stipulation that it has to be used on education so the separation between church and state has already been met. Telling them they aren't allowed to use that money on any religious instruction would be violating their rights. That would be like telling someone on food stamps they can't use them on kosher products.
Uh, no. Voucher is just a certificate for a sum of money the state has to pay an institution of the person's choice. Tax money still goes to a religious institution. Clear violation of separation. I don't know why you think adding an alleged extra step somehow solves the problem.
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