Federal Judge Throws Out Texas Sonogram Law

Republicans told to stay out of women’s uteruses
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A victory for women over the misogynistic right wing throwbacks in Texas: Key Provisions Of Texas Sonogram Law Struck Down.

A federal judge on Tuesday struck down key provision of Texas’ new law requiring a doctor to perform a sonogram before an abortion, ruling that the measure violates the free speech rights of both doctors and patients.

The law, one of dozens of anti-abortion measures that advanced through state capitals across the United States this year, was set to take effect Thursday.

A New York-based reproductive rights group had sued to block the law.

U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks said in his ruling that requiring a doctor to show women images from the sonogram and the sounds of the fetal heartbeat violates the First Amendment rights of doctors.

The ruling also struck down a requirement that allows women to avoid seeing the sonogram images only if they sign a statement that they are pregnant because of sexual assault or incest. The state cannot compel a woman to disclose such private information that she may not even wish to tell police, Sparks ruled.

Sparks ruled such disclosure is an attempt by the state to “permanently brand women who choose to get an abortion.”

The GOP’s fetus inspection device in action

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963 comments
1 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 6:59:10pm

Way to go, judicial branch.

One of the last sane parts of government left is the court system.

Which, of course, the GOP is trying to fuck up by blocking appointment of new judges.

Oy.

2 Hal_10000  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:00:55pm

I suspect the GOP knew this would happen. After all, they don't want abortions outlawed for their mistresses. They've frequently passed laws on this issue they *knew* would get struck down.

But that's a dangerous game. It's playing Russian Roulette with the Constitution. If the judges don't strike it down, we're all screwed.

Sparks is a Bush 41 appointee, incidentally...

3 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:03:48pm

A f**king mazing.

4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:03:52pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Way to go, judicial branch.

One of the last sane parts of government left is the court system.

Which, of course, the GOP is trying to fuck up by blocking appointment of new judges.

Oy.

Activist judges ftw, baby! /

5 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:04:24pm

re: #2 Hal_10000

I suspect the GOP knew this would happen. After all, they don't want abortions outlawed for their mistresses. They've frequently passed laws on this issue they *knew* would get struck down.

But that's a dangerous game. It's playing Russian Roulette with the Constitution. If the judges don't strike it down, we're all screwed.

Sparks is a Bush 41 appointee, incidentally...

Nah, it's not that big a deal to them. They all have enough dough to just fly their "others" to a blue state.

6 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:05:36pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Way to go, judicial branch.

One of the last sane parts of government left is the court system.

Which, of course, the GOP is trying to fuck up by blocking appointment of new judges.

Oy.

Hence why I've seen more than one of them mutter that we need an "anti-abortion" amendment, basically declaring life to begin at conception and making it the law's responsibility to protect that "life."

7 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:07:39pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They've done more than mutter. It's a GOP party plank.

I sometimes wonder if the average independent who casts a vote for the GOP has ever actually looked at their platform. Their actual party planks are so nutjob I feel like I'm looking at LaRouchites.

8 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:08:37pm

Let me get this straight: unless this was thrown out, the law was that a woman had to have a fucking plastic probe stuck up inside her if she wanted to have an abortion? Srlsy?

9 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:08:54pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Way to go, judicial branch.

One of the last sane parts of government left is the court system.

Which, of course, the GOP is trying to fuck up by blocking appointment of new judges.

Oy.

And that is why I revere our judicial branch. Even when they get it wrong, its for good reason. They say tough cases make bad law. This was an easy one. A great decision.

10 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:10:07pm

re: #7 Obdicut

They've done more than mutter. It's a GOP party plank.

I sometimes wonder if the average independent who casts a vote for the GOP has ever actually looked at their platform. Their actual party planks are so nutjob I feel like I'm looking at LaRouchites.

They've got so many amendments they want rammed into the Constitution, it's sad. They've apparently decided that they're losing the culture wars, so their last gasp is to push for enshrining their hate, bigotry, and stupidity into the very root of all our laws.

"Constitutional conservatives," my ass.

11 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:10:12pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Let me get this straight: unless this was thrown out, the law was that a woman had to have a fucking plastic probe stuck up inside her if she wanted to have an abortion? Srlsy?

Yes.

Srlsy.

Super duper srsly.

12 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:10:25pm
The ruling also struck down a requirement that allows women to avoid seeing the sonogram images only if they sign a statement that they are pregnant because of sexual assault or incest. The state cannot compel a woman to disclose such private information that she may not even wish to tell police, Sparks ruled.

Sparks ruled such disclosure is an attempt by the state to “permanently brand women who choose to get an abortion.”

That's the whole reason why the fundie RR wingnuts lobby for and get these heinous laws passed, because there sure is no valid medical reasons for doing all this stuff.

It's all about control of other people...and you don't get much more personal than attempting to regulate and micromanage people's reproductive systems and practices.

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:11:53pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Let me get this straight: unless this was thrown out, the law was that a woman had to have a fucking plastic probe stuck up inside her if she wanted to have an abortion? Srlsy?

Yeah, it's part of their new initiative: "Government Small Enough To Fit In Your Uterus."

//

14 freetoken  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:11:54pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Yes.

It's a kind of masochistic sex-toy fantasy being played out in our culture wars.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:15:30pm

In bad news for women today, it appears that Warren Jeffs is not on his deathbed.

I had hopes.

16 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:16:28pm

not surprised with the ruling at all....but I'm a tad relieved because judges can be just as corrupt as anybody else...their station in life is no guarantee of anything...and the highest quality blowback comes from a judge

17 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:17:19pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They've got so many amendments they want rammed into the Constitution, it's sad. They've apparently decided that they're losing the culture wars, so their last gasp is to push for enshrining their hate, bigotry, and stupidity into the very root of all our laws.

"Constitutional conservatives," my ass.

go ahead and list them

18 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:18:54pm

Thank God for those damn pinko commie activists judges!

//

19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:20:11pm

re: #16 albusteve

not surprised with the ruling at all...but I'm a tad relieved because judges can be just as corrupt as anybody else...their station in life is no guarantee of anything...and the highest quality blowback comes from a judge

Did you dislike the decision or agree with it?

20 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:20:30pm

I'm having a hard time getting my head around how weird that is. It's mind numbingly stupid.

21 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:20:42pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #17 albusteve

Let's see:

1. An amendment making marriage between man and a woman

2. An amendment defining life as beginning at conception.

3. The rewriting of the 14th amendment.

4. The rewriting of the 16th amendment.

5. A balanced budget boondoggle amendment.

Etc.

22 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:21:40pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

In bad news for women today, it appears that Warren Jeffs is not on his deathbed.

I had hopes.

Not me. I want that fucker to live and suffer behind bars for a long damn time. Death is to damn easy, especially if he gets to chose the method. If he wanted to starve himself to death he should have done so the first time he had sexual desires for a child. Oh and not just females, he molested his nephew too.

23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:21:44pm

re: #2 Hal_10000

I suspect the GOP knew this would happen. After all, they don't want abortions outlawed for their mistresses.

Mistresses, maids, grad students, daughters, nieces, cousins, coworkers/subordinates, anyone they fecklessly knock up because they won't keep it zipped.

24 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:22:16pm

re: #21 Obdicut

re: #17 albusteve

Let's see:

1. An amendment making marriage between man and a woman

2. An amendment defining life as beginning at conception.

3. The rewriting of the 14th amendment.

4. The rewriting of the 16th amendment.

5. A balanced budget boondoggle amendment.

Etc.

who's list is that?...just wondering where this comes from....campaign blather?

25 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:22:29pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Constitutional conservatives," my ass.

Confrontational Conservatives.

26 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:23:06pm

re: #19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Did you dislike the decision or agree with it?

agree...not surprised you felt compelled to ask...LOL!

27 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:23:23pm

re: #22 moderatelyradicalliberal

Not me. I want that fucker to live and suffer behind bars for a long damn time. Death is to damn easy, especially if he gets to chose the method. If he wanted to starve himself to death he should have done so the first time he had sexual desires for a child. Oh and not just females, he molested his nephew too.

He is still asserting control over the FLDS sect, and therefore still causing misery. I think it's time for him to have a chat with God about his life choices, and let someone less evil lead that group.

28 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:23:37pm
The ruling also struck down a requirement that allows women to avoid seeing the sonogram images only if they sign a statement that they are pregnant because of sexual assault or incest.

States rights limited government conservatism, in action. e_e

29 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:23:38pm

re: #21 Obdicut

re: #17 albusteve

Let's see:

1. An amendment making marriage between man and a woman

2. An amendment defining life as beginning at conception.

3. The rewriting of the 14th amendment.

4. The rewriting of the 16th amendment.

5. A balanced budget boondoggle amendment.

Etc.

They don't like the 17th Amendment either. I also think they would do something about that 1st Amendment too, so they could ban all mosques.

30 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:23:50pm

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:23:51pm

re: #17 albusteve

go ahead and list them

- The mentioned "anti-abortion" amendment.

- Amendments to nullify the 14th, 17th, and 19th amendments, either in part or in toto.

- A "defense of marriage" amendment to define marriage as being between a man and woman.

- The infamous "Balanced Budget Amendment" that also includes budgetary and taxation limits, as well as requiring a 2/3rd majority to pass any future tax increases.

And those are off the top of my head. No telling what further ones will be put forth in this upcoming election year.

32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:24:13pm

re: #26 albusteve

agree...not surprised you felt compelled to ask...LOL!

It wasn't clear from your post. So what if I asked.

33 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:24:56pm

Forcing a woman to listen to a fetal heartbeat and view ultrasound images? Is there any real question that this is a violation of both the 1st Amendment and the right to privacy that sort of undergirds the right to abortion in the first place?

34 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:25:05pm

re: #23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Mistresses, maids, grad students, daughters, nieces, cousins, coworkers/subordinates, anyone they fecklessly knock up because they won't keep it zipped.

Don't be silly, they're all closet cases and their rentboys can't get pregnant.

35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:25:25pm

re: #24 albusteve

who's list is that?...just wondering where this comes from...campaign blather?

You never back up anything you say, why must anyone else?

36 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:26:22pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

I managed to give you my condition over the Internet /

(Seriously though, in my case it's a tension headache. Been clenching your jaw a lot or sitting in an awkward position for too long?)

37 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:26:25pm

re: #34 moderatelyradicalliberal

Don't be silly, they're all closet cases and their rentboys can't get pregnant.

Lol all the more reason to go with a rentboy, or show your an%s on Craigslist. /

38 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:26:40pm

re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

- The mentioned "anti-abortion" amendment.

- Amendments to nullify the 14th, 17th, and 19th amendments, either in part or in toto.

- A "defense of marriage" amendment to define marriage as being between a man and woman.

- The infamous "Balanced Budget Amendment" that also includes budgetary and taxation limits, as well as requiring a 2/3rd majority to pass any future tax increases.

And those are off the top of my head. No telling what further ones will be put forth in this upcoming election year.

rhetoric...I won't deny the intent but there is no orchestrated movement against any amendment that has any traction that I know of...just pap....that all, not stirring the pot

39 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:27:37pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

Oh shit here we go again. It's a brain aneurysm and you're going to die unless you see a Canadian doctor within the hour. Have you not been paying attention?

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:27:58pm

re: #38 albusteve

rhetoric...I won't deny the intent but there is no orchestrated movement against any amendment that has any traction that I know of...just pap...that all, not stirring the pot

You must have missed the political theater that was "Cut, Cap, & Balance" then.

41 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:28:02pm

re: #37 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol all the more reason to go with a rentboy, or show your an%s on Craigslist. /

They're are sleeping with men to prevent abortions! That's how committed to being pro-life they are. No sex that can result in life! It's genius!

//

42 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:28:28pm

re: #36 publicityStunted

Decent Explanation.

I constantly doubt, review, or regret social interactions. I'm socially blinded because of Asperger's Syndrome, so I have to compensate.

At least, that has been what I have done for a while now.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:28:32pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

Oh, probably an alien is hatching.

(I have doctors for two brothers-in-law, one cousin-in-law, and an uncle. This means I know enough not to guess.)

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:28:43pm

re: #33 palomino

Forcing a woman to listen to a fetal heartbeat and view ultrasound images? Is there any real question that this is a violation of both the 1st Amendment and the right to privacy that sort of undergirds the right to abortion in the first place?

The right to privacy is reserved for men trying to cover up who they're knocking up! If alive today, Our Founding Fathers™ would say so...do you think Thomas Jefferson wanted it to get out about Sally Hemmings?!?

45 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:28:55pm

re: #32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It wasn't clear from your post. So what if I asked.

I have a reasonable history of defending women's and gay rights, by far the biggest problem I have with the GOP...which stems from their brazen theocratic leaning

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:29:08pm

re: #42 ProLifeLiberal

The name for it is "hacking the social code."

47 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:29:50pm

Hooray! Happy dance!

48 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:29:52pm

re: #35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You never back up anything you say, why must anyone else?

wondering...get it?...I'm satisfied

49 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:29:54pm

re: #24 albusteve

who's list is that?...just wondering where this comes from...campaign blather?

Perry's book, Ron Paul's mouth, lots of tea partiers.

Strange thing about Paul: he does slightly better in polls with non-TP Republicans. You'd think it would be the opposite the way some people portray him as the godfather of the TP movement. But even he's not enough of a socon and, as many here have pointed out, the TP is very far to the right on cultural issues in spite of their early "ltd govt only" rhetoric.

50 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:30:09pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Let me get this straight: unless this was thrown out, the law was that a woman had to have a fucking plastic probe stuck up inside her if she wanted to have an abortion? Srlsy?

Let me get this straight; there are doctors who play along with this game?

51 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:30:39pm

re: #48 albusteve

wondering...

No, I'm not.

52 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:30:40pm

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You must have missed the political theater that was "Cut, Cap, & Balance" then.

I must have

53 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:31:02pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

If it's the right side you'll be alright. If it were your left side that would mean your right brain is trying to abort the left and you need to see a doctor for a sonogram. State law.

54 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:31:21pm

Oompa Lumpas are pissed...

Youtube Video
55 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:31:31pm

re: #36 publicityStunted

I managed to give you my condition over the Internet /

(Seriously though, in my case it's a tension headache. Been clenching your jaw a lot or sitting in an awkward position for too long?)

Could be almost anything. See a doctor; always better to be safe than sorry.

56 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:31:45pm

re: #50 Naso Tang

Let me get this straight; there are doctors who play along with this game?

That's the purpose of such laws: Make it so impossible for abortion doctors to operate that they simply shut down their practice. Since lawmakers can't outright ban it, it's their only option.

57 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:32:21pm

re: #50 Naso Tang

Let me get this straight; there are doctors who play along with this game?

I'm not sure if they would have had a choice if the law had been allowed to stand. Although, I would imagine driving doctors away from offering abortion services in TX was part of the point of the law.

58 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:32:23pm

I think Rick Perry should be forced to walk around with a sonogram wand shoved up his ass for a few weeks.

59 BishopX  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:32:43pm

So speaking of amendments to the constitution, I passed a group of larouchites on my way to the grocery store today. In addition to the standard glass-steagall act and gold standard tripe they were advocating removing Obama via the 25th amendment. They were presenting it as what amounts to a recall effort. This seems to me like a fairly complicated approach to the whole remove the president thing. You need to get the VP, a majority of the cabinet and 2/3 of both houses to agree that Obama is incompetent, not to mention the fact that the 25th was never intended as a means to recall the president.

60 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:32:58pm

re: #44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No about Sally Hemmings. And no about TJ being a Christian; he was a Deist product of the Enlightenment (as was Franklin, I believe). And even no, to some extent, on the question of American exceptionalism; I mean, the guy loved America so much he spent half his time in France.

61 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:32:59pm

re: #51 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, I'm not.

well that's nice or whatever

62 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:33:39pm

I told one of my friends yesterday what happened throughout the summer with my father.

She told me to call the cops on my dad.

My mother says no, and I will respect her wishes. However, I will use this as leverage so I will live in FOCO over Winter Break.

63 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:34:00pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

Sinus?
If you start not feeling well, and/or if your teeth start hurting, see a doc - sinus infection possible. I know. I live with 'em.

64 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:34:12pm

re: #58 darthstar

I think Rick Perry should be forced to walk around with a sonogram wand shoved up his ass for a few weeks.

Perhaps we would then find out if his brain really looked like a chicken pot pie.

65 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:34:47pm

re: #64 Naso Tang

Perhaps we would then find out if his brain really looked like a chicken pot pie.

ROTFLAMO!

66 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:35:38pm

re: #58 darthstar

I think Rick Perry should be forced to walk around with a sonogram wand shoved up his ass for a few weeks.

I hear that's some new weight loss program.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

67 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:35:50pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

Sounds like a possible migraine.

68 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:36:01pm

re: #62 ProLifeLiberal

I told one of my friends yesterday what happened throughout the summer with my father.

She told me to call the cops on my dad.

My mother says no, and I will respect her wishes. However, I will use this as leverage so I will live in FOCO over Winter Break.

Did I miss something?
What happened with your father through the summer?

69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:36:21pm

re: #45 albusteve

I have a reasonable history of defending women's and gay rights,

Uh-huh.

Sure, you do.

Note to steve: save any defenses of me as a woman or a queer, pls. Thanks.

70 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:36:44pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like a possible migraine.

Or a badly-adjusted baseball cap.

71 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:36:52pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

I think it's albusteve's fault.

/////////////////////////

72 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:37:33pm

re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Uh-huh.

Sure, you do.

Note to steve: save any defenses of me as a woman or a queer, pls. Thanks.

my jokes are alot funnier than yours...admit it

73 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:37:37pm

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

74 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:38:06pm

re: #71 palomino

I think it's albusteve's fault.

///

albuvoodoo

75 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:38:27pm

re: #72 albusteve

my jokes are alot funnier than yours...admit it

except for the ones that aren't. Admit that.

76 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:39:21pm

Quick and dirty Photoshop: The Sistine Sonogram.

77 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:40:19pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

I have a couple of vaginal ultrasounds. Both for pregnancy and as a diagnostic test for other issues.

It wasn't horrible. I wasn't anything really. Just that you have to have a full bladder for the ultrasound to see your uterus etc. That part is really uncomfortable. When they mean full bladder, they mean FULL BLADDER. When they are done, you get to run down the hall to the bathroom in that stupid hospital gown.

So much fun.

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:40:28pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Quick and dirty Photoshop: The Sistine Sonogram.

LOL! But you know that's how the anti-choice nuts see it.

79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:40:28pm

re: #62 ProLifeLiberal

I told one of my friends yesterday what happened throughout the summer with my father.

She told me to call the cops on my dad.

My mother says no, and I will respect her wishes. However, I will use this as leverage so I will live in FOCO over Winter Break.

Sounds good! Domestic abuse situations are extremely tricky, especially with volitile men ("between a man and his wife", etc.) Sometimes, calling the cops makes it worse because once the cops leave, then the situation just escalates.

It just sounds good that you and your mom have that level of communication where you can talk about it. BTW what's FOCO?

80 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:40:34pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Quick and dirty Photoshop: The Sistine Sonogram.

damn funny

81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:03pm

re: #72 albusteve

my jokes are alot funnier than yours...admit it

It's not a contest.

82 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:12pm

re: #68 reine.de.tout

My dad did multiple incidents. You guys only heard about the one where he drove off with my car, leaving me, my sister, and mom behind.

He also, during a weekend vacation:

-Called my little sister (15) the c-word
-Attempted to attack me in the car, along with in the hotel room. The first time, he did grab me, the second time, I have managed to get good enough avoidance skills with him to completely avoid.

But I am done with the aggravation. I'll be talking to FOCO friends in the next 2 weeks for Winter Break.

And I'll use what this close friend (a future high school teacher) gave as recommendation as leverage to quiet any objections. I can play hardball.

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:13pm

re: #77 ggt

I have a couple of vaginal ultrasounds. Both for pregnancy and as a diagnostic test for other issues.

It wasn't horrible. I wasn't anything really. Just that you have to have a full bladder for the ultrasound to see your uterus etc. That part is really uncomfortable. When they mean full bladder, they mean FULL BLADDER. When they are done, you get to run down the hall to the bathroom in that stupid hospital gown.

So much fun.

Oh, yeah. That part. Ugh.

(I seem to recall that the machines got better and I think they didn't need the full bladder for the last child.

I think. Memory is fuzzy.)

84 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:23pm

re: #75 BigPapa

except for the ones that aren't. Admit that.

I miss once in a while...

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:25pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Quick and dirty Photoshop: The Sistine Sonogram.

G-d doesn't need a sonogram anymore than he needs a spaceship.

86 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:33pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

Same here, all of it.

87 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:41:51pm

re: #81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's not a contest.

You lose.

88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:42:16pm

re: #58 darthstar

I think Rick Perry should be forced to walk around with a sonogram wand shoved up his ass for a few weeks.

rotfl!

89 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:43:05pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Oompa Lumpas are pissed...

[Video]

They're easily dealt with. They live in England thanks to Willy Wonka, so just let them know that if they don't quiet down NewsCorp will be putting out a rain of ELEVENTY!!!11 stories accusing them of spreading diseases, taking jobs of native Englishmen, kicking puppies in the street and voting for socialist candidates for Parliament. A few fake stories and Wonka will have no choice but to herd them out his factory gates where a EDL mob will await them. So they'll either quiet down or get the fate reserved for uppity non-whites.

/partially kidding, since there are wingnuts who'd think this way.

90 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:43:13pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

You lose.

Yeah...win some, lose some.

/thewaytheballbounces

91 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:43:24pm

re: #81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's not a contest.

I take that as a yes...but you have potential

92 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:43:27pm

re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

FOCO=Fort Collins

Many friends from High School live there. I've stayed close to them, and are closer to me emotionally than my dad. They know most of everything that has happened since I was a Senior in High School. And a fair amount before that.

TO me, they are non-biological family.

Also, they are all women. Like all of my friends.

93 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:43:42pm

re: #82 ProLifeLiberal

My dad did multiple incidents. You guys only heard about the one where he drove off with my car, leaving me, my sister, and mom behind.

He also, during a weekend vacation:

-Called my little sister (15) the c-word
-Attempted to attack me in the car, along with in the hotel room. The first time, he did grab me, the second time, I have managed to get good enough avoidance skills with him to completely avoid.

But I am done with the aggravation. I'll be talking to FOCO friends in the next 2 weeks for Winter Break.

And I'll use what this close friend (a future high school teacher) gave as recommendation as leverage to quiet any objections. I can play hardball.

I don't know what FOCO is, but it sounds like you have a way to stay out of harm's way.
But I hope your Mom and little sis are not in any danger

94 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:44:07pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

I feel violated by the whole thing, and I don't even have a vagina.

I know a few women who have had abortions, and they're repulsed by the law's provision; I know quite a few women who haven't had abortions, and they too are repulsed. Even the ones who are on the fence about Roe v. Wade.

2012 is gonna be mainly about the crappy economy, but the culture war will rear its ugly head: race, ethnicity and immigration, religion, abortion, gay marriage...all are animating forces for the TP and all inspire strong feelings from the left in terms of not allowing erosion of the progress made over the last few decades.

95 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:44:37pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

damn funny

I feel kind of wrong after making that, I think I need to take a shower.

96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:44:38pm

re: #91 albusteve

I take that as a yes...but you have potential

Take it whatever way makes you feel happier and less miserable for a minute. Makes no diff to me.

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:44:49pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Quick and dirty Photoshop: The Sistine Sonogram.

Frank, you're evil. In a good sort of way.

98 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:45:56pm

re: #21 Obdicut

re: #17 albusteve

Let's see:

1. An amendment making marriage between man and a woman

2. An amendment defining life as beginning at conception.

3. The rewriting of the 14th amendment.

4. The rewriting of the 16th amendment.

5. A balanced budget boondoggle amendment.

Etc.

Sounds like it's all about the money.
///

99 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:46:15pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I second this opinion.

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:46:56pm

re: #98 b_sharp

Sounds like it's all about the money.
///

usually is

101 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:46:56pm

re: #96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Take it whatever way makes you feel happier and less miserable for a minute. Makes no diff to me.

I'm not miserable....you have some gig for deciding my moods but you are batting zero....maybe you should give it up, or go check out KT's mood...whatever...it's not working for you

102 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:47:02pm

re: #93 reine.de.tout

I don't know what FOCO is, but it sounds like you have a way to stay out of harm's way.
But I hope your Mom and little sis are not in any danger

'Foco' was a theory of Latin American insurgency Che Guevara was involved in developing. PLL is saying he's a Godless Commie.

/Entirely kidding, since he's said it means Fort Collins.

103 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:47:09pm

So, I remember hearing this song on Radio Dead Air, a Internet Radio Show.

Youtube Video
104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:47:19pm

re: #94 palomino

2012 is gonna be mainly about the crappy economy, but the culture war will rear its ugly head: race, ethnicity and immigration, religion, abortion, gay marriage...all are animating forces for the TP and all inspire strong feelings from the left in terms of not allowing erosing of the progress made over the last few decades.

I think you're quite right about that.

Thing is, anyone who's been part of any kind of civil rights movement understand dumb con backlash, like no others. The ppl who came before us already dealt with these bigots for generations; so will we.

105 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:47:36pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

I'm having a consistent headache over the right side of my left eye.

Ideas about cause?

Stop looking at the GOP cross-eyed.

106 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:48:18pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Frank, you're evil. In a good sort of way.

Frank is a curious guy...but it's fun when he punches you

107 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:48:42pm

re: #101 albusteve

I'm not miserable...you have some gig for deciding my moods but you are batting zero...maybe you should give it up, or go check out KT's mood...whatever...it's not working for you

KT's been drinking I think, and is wearing geer boggles. Or maybe it's beer goggles. Or something.

108 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:49:56pm

re: #42 ProLifeLiberal

Decent Explanation.

I constantly doubt, review, or regret social interactions. I'm socially blinded because of Asperger's Syndrome, so I have to compensate.

At least, that has been what I have done for a while now.

It gets easier as you learn.

109 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:50:19pm

re: #106 albusteve

Frank is a curious guy...but it's fun when he punches you

'You' meaning 'the people he sometimes goes after' which is both of us, or 'you' meaning only me?

110 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:50:33pm

re: #92 ProLifeLiberal

FOCO=Fort Collins

Many friends from High School live there. I've stayed close to them, and are closer to me emotionally than my dad. They know most of everything that has happened since I was a Senior in High School. And a fair amount before that.

TO me, they are non-biological family.

Also, they are all women. Like all of my friends.

Ah, thx about FOCO. I know the feeling about non-biological family...they can be lifesavers. Glad you have them!

111 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:50:52pm

re: #107 reine.de.tout

KT's been drinking I think, and is wearing geer boggles. Or maybe it's beer goggles. Or something.

KT's very disciplined and restrained...that's why I like him...we are opposites...if he's been drinking it may be a case of bad tofu

112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:51:13pm

re: #101 albusteve

Reread last sentence, pls.

113 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:52:03pm

Awkward wording?

6abc Action News on 6abc
by BreakingNews
#BREAKING Man swept into manhole found dead [Link: t.co...]

114 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:52:10pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

'You' meaning 'the people he sometimes goes after' which is both of us, or 'you' meaning only me?

I mean me...he punches me alot
that's cool

115 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:52:22pm

re: #112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Reread last sentence, pls.

no

116 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:53:46pm

re: #115 albusteve

no

Or don't, doesn't matter.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:54:25pm

re: #2 Hal_10000

I suspect the GOP knew this would happen. After all, they don't want abortions outlawed for their mistresses.

Abortion laws don't prevent wealthy or connected women from getting abortions.

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:54:37pm

re: #114 albusteve

I mean me...he punches me alot
that's cool

Thank you for the clarification.

119 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:55:03pm

re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Uh-huh.

Sure, you do.

Note to steve: save any defenses of me as a woman or a queer, pls. Thanks.

How about we defend you as a fellow human?

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:55:12pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Let me get this straight: unless this was thrown out, the law was that a woman had to have a fucking plastic probe stuck up inside her if she wanted to have an abortion? Srlsy?

And view the sonogram results, and hear the fetal heartbeat.

121 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:55:27pm

Gottdamm activist judges! Interpreting settled law!

Nope. Not typing hash tags. If it isn't obvious, you don't know my history on this board.

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:55:43pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

Abortion laws don't prevent wealthy or connected women from getting abortions.

or poor women either, just that wealthy women live thru it.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:55:51pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

In bad news for women today, it appears that Warren Jeffs is not on his deathbed.

I had hopes.

Well, shucks.

124 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:56:02pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

Abortion laws don't prevent wealthy or connected women from getting abortions.

Money and power will always open up doors for people. Nothing to be done about that. The millionaire will always have better healthcare options than the guy who sorts in the mailroom.

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:56:11pm

re: #119 b_sharp

How about we defend you as a fellow human?

I can defend myself as a fellow human and don't need steve's defense of "women and gays", given his view of "women", was the point.

126 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:56:13pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

I got to see the inside of my bladder once, and my colon.

127 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:57:03pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Quick and dirty Photoshop: The Sistine Sonogram.

Still looks abusive.

128 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:57:14pm

re: #122 ggt

or poor women either, just that wealthy women live thru it.

Wow. Harsh, but often true.

But we support a culture of life!

(Until it isn't.)

129 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:57:34pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I got to see the inside of my bladder once, and my colon.

Worst vacation video ever

130 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:58:00pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I can defend myself as a fellow human and don't need steve's defense of "women and gays", was the point.

hostility is your only point...you are like a leaky faucet...I'll defend whomever I please, even you

131 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:58:10pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I got to see the inside of my bladder once, and my colon.

Hideous Wii accident?

132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:58:14pm

re: #128 austin_blue

Wow. Harsh, but often true.

But we support a culture of life!

(Until it isn't.)

"Right to life" until actually born.

133 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:58:41pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the clarification.

bottom line...I like Frank

134 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:58:47pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I can defend myself as a fellow human and don't need steve's defense of "women and gays", was the point.

When you as a gay woman have to rely on his "decent record" of defending you, I would not like to be in your shoes!

135 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:58:56pm

This is a chemical burn...

Youtube Video

Namaste, y'all
136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:59:18pm

Maybe the anti-choice crowd should be reminded of the picture used by Ms Magazine when trying to combat the aborted fetus pictures.

The Story of Mrs. Gerri Santoro

No women should have to resort to such things.

137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:59:24pm

re: #130 albusteve

hostility is your only point...you are like a leaky faucet...I'll defend whomever I please, even you

Save it; I choose my allies and friends, not you.

138 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 7:59:24pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Money and power will always open up doors for people. Nothing to be done about that. The millionaire will always have better healthcare options than the guy who sorts in the mailroom.

And that's OK with you? Health care based not on the Common Good, as enshrined in the preamble of the Constitution, but on who can afford it?

Shame, D_F. Really.

139 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Save it; I choose my allies and friends, not you.

You can always choose your friends, rarely do you get to choose allies.

140 freetoken  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:00:44pm

re: #121 austin_blue

Gottdamm activist judges! Interpreting settled law!

Activist Judge

141 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:01:02pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Money and power will always open up doors for people. Nothing to be done about that. The millionaire will always have better healthcare options than the guy who sorts in the mailroom.

Of course, and that applies to every aspect of life. But, even if he can't have Dr. Sanjay Gupta make a house call, shouldn't the guy in the mailroom at least have some form of health insurance? Isn't universal coverage a laudable goal?

When did so many Republicans (not you) decide "compassion" was a dirty word. Bush's slogan was "compassionate conservatism" just 10 years ago. Perry's seems to be "CONSERVATISM!, fuck compassion."

142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:01:56pm

re: #134 bratwurst

When you as a gay woman have to rely on his "decent record" of defending you, I would not like to be in your shoes!

Lol well that's the root of his rage right there: we don't have to depend on people like him for *anything*.

Now, predictably, he's trying to impose his supposed "support" on me. Lol textbook case.

143 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:02:40pm

re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Save it; I choose my allies and friends, not you.

sorry, doesn't work that way...when the misogynist gay haters have you in their clutches, I'll fly to your rescue...after that you can slap me for my presumption

144 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:04:39pm

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol well that's the root of his rage right there: we don't have to depend on people like him for *anything*.

Now, predictably, he's trying to impose his supposed "support" on me. Lol textbook case.

I don't impose anything on anybody....you are misguided, try another angle if any are left....it's not a personal thing, it's a principle

145 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:04:44pm

re: #139 McSpiff

You can always choose your friends, rarely do you get to choose allies.

Well, that's not how it works. It's no one's determination but my own, who I consider an ally. No one is capable of imposing unsolicited support, especially from a supremacist mindset.

The very concept alone really bothers certain types, but that's their issue, entirely.

146 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:05:06pm

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol well that's the root of his rage right there: we don't have to depend on people like him for *anything*.

Now, predictably, he's trying to impose his supposed "support" on me. Lol textbook case.

Steve is in a rage? Hardly. Try not to project your own issues all over other posters, just makes a muddle of threads.

147 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:06:31pm

re: #129 RogueOne

Worst vacation video ever

The climactic moment was a bit flaccid.

148 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:07:10pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Hideous Wii accident?

Two separate accidents.

149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:07:12pm

re: #143 albusteve

when the misogynist gay haters have you in their clutches,

Rotfl! and when do you think that will ever happen?

I told you months ago, I don't know you, and don't want anything you think you have to offer. You're not trustworthy enough for me to call when in anyone else's "clutches"

lolol

150 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:07:29pm

re: #138 austin_blue

And that's OK with you? Health care based not on the Common Good, as enshrined in the preamble of the Constitution, but on who can afford it?

Shame, D_F. Really.

I was just describing the situation, not giving my views on it.

151 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:07:47pm

re: #147 b_sharp

Dammit, I should both upding and downding that.

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:07:54pm

re: #147 b_sharp

The climactic moment was a bit flaccid.

But it was a relief when it passed?

153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:08:17pm

re: #146 McSpiff

Try not to project your own issues all over other posters, just makes a muddle of threads.

The minute you refrain from projecting your own personal matters over my posts, I might take your advice.

154 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:08:20pm

re: #147 b_sharp

The climactic moment was a bit flaccid.

tell me your posting from the ER...I surfed a bit of the previous thread...how can we enjoy your wit and insight if you are dead?

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:09:27pm

Did Mark Twain ever say anything about people who have to have the last word?

156 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:09:31pm

re: #149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Rotfl! and when do you think that will ever happen?

I told you months ago, I don't know you, and don't want anything you think you have to offer. You're not trustworthy enough for me to call when in anyone else's "clutches"

lolol

you want me baby...admit it

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:09:57pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Money and power will always open up doors for people. Nothing to be done about that. The millionaire will always have better healthcare options than the guy who sorts in the mailroom.

That's undoubtedly true--but it is something to think about when affluent, powerful people float something like this.

Or, for that matter, when they insist with tears in their eyes that Obamacare will kill their children.

158 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:10:21pm

re: #154 albusteve

tell me your posting from the ER...I surfed a bit of the previous thread...how can we enjoy your wit and insight if you are dead?

I'm going to see the doc tomorrow.

159 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:10:40pm

re: #145 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, that's not how it works. It's no one's determination but my own, who I consider an ally. No one is capable of imposing unsolicited support, especially from a supremacist mindset.

The very concept alone really bothers certain types, but that's their issue, entirely.

'No one is capable of imposing unsolicited support' - Sure, that's great in theory.

How much do you know about the largest contributors to groups like the NAACP or the ACLU? I'm going to make an assumption that you've worked with various advocacy groups. How do you know you've never spent steve's money or someone like him? Or do those people not fall into the category of ally. Useful idiot perhaps?

160 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:11:07pm

re: #155 ggt

Did Mark Twain ever say anything about people who have to have the last word?

Yes

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:11:32pm

re: #146 McSpiff

Steve is in a rage? Hardly. Try not to project your own issues all over other posters, just makes a muddle of threads.

Steve is Steve. A flavor of his own.

162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:11:45pm

First this:

re: #130 albusteve

hostility is your only point...you are like a leaky faucet...I'll defend whomever I please, even you

Then this:

re: #144 albusteve

I don't impose anything on anybody...

rotfl you are hilarious.

163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:12:56pm

re: #156 albusteve

you want me baby...admit it

Go find yourself a prostitute or girlfriend or wife or rentboy to take out your silly aggressions on.

I'll only leave you with blueballs.

164 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:13:06pm

re: #153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The minute you refrain from projecting your own personal matters over my posts, I might take your advice.

I'm sorry, didn't realize you were using a public forum as a personal soap box. I'll try not to point out any of the other errors in logic or fallacies. Would probably just be coming from my patriarchal supremacist desire to repress you anyways.

165 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:13:35pm

re: #156 albusteve

re: #163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, you kids...

166 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:13:50pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I'm going to see the doc tomorrow.

good...he better send you to a cardiologist or however they do it up there...you show classic symptoms of an arrhythmia

167 palomino  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:14:18pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

That's undoubtedly true--but it is something to think about when affluent, powerful people float something like this.

Or, for that matter, when they insist with tears in their eyes that Obamacare will kill their children.

Precisely. Obamacare has to be one of the most misunderstood laws in history, victim of a hysterical but effective disinformation campaign. Bill Clinton supported something far to the left of Obamacare. Even Richard Fucking Nixon supported a near universal healthcare plan to the left of Obamacare. Then again Nixon, for all his obvious flaws, believed in compromise, which is, after all, the essence of a functional democracy.

168 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:14:35pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I got to see the inside of my bladder once, and my colon.

Me, too! I have a rare genetic condition that is like an inflating ballon inside my bladder. The urologist said "Oh cool! She has a blah blah blah!" I thought "happy to oblige."

169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:14:59pm

re: #159 McSpiff

I'm going to make an assumption that you've worked with various advocacy groups.

9_9

I suppose that was a question.

170 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:15:05pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

re: #163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, you kids...

she loves me...pretty obvious
LOL!

171 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:15:58pm

re: #164 McSpiff

I'll try not to point out any of the other errors in logic or fallacies. Would probably just be coming from my patriarchal supremacist desire to repress you anyways.

e_e Another question, I guess.

172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:16:13pm

re: #170 albusteve

she loves me...pretty obvious
LOL!

Please, you live for my posts.

173 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:16:26pm

re: #169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

9_9

I suppose that was a question.

No, those end with a '?'. An assumption means something I believe to be true, without direct evidence. Or as in this case, I believe there is evidence but I'm much too lazy to find it.

174 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:16:43pm

re: #153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The minute you refrain from projecting your own personal matters over my posts, I might take your advice.

I don't see anybody projecting anything.

I do see, however, that you seem to take some sort of (what to me is) strange delight in alienating people, then trying to bend them to your will by asserting your right to be who you are, while simultaneously telling them they have no right to be who THEY are. Perplexing.

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:17:43pm

Could we give them their own Pages to go about their verbal interplay?

176 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:18:14pm

re: #171 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

e_e Another question, I guess.

Nope, that would end in a question mark.

177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:18:15pm

re: #167 palomino

Precisely. Obamacare has to be one of the most misunderstood laws in history, victim of a hysterical but effective disinformation campaign. Bill Clinton supported something far to the left of Obamacare. Even Richard Fucking Nixon supported a near universal healthcare plan to the left of Obamacare. Then again Nixon, for all his obvious flaws, believed in compromise, which is, after all, the essence of a functional democracy.

Nixon today would be called a RINO by these twerps.

178 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:18:35pm

re: #168 prairiefire

Me, too! I have a rare genetic condition that is like an inflating ballon inside my bladder. The urologist said "Oh cool! She has a blah blah blah!" I thought "happy to oblige."

My exploration was because of the old prostate problem men of my age sometimes get. The prostate was good and the bladder was good but they found my little buddy was brainless.

179 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:18:43pm

re: #172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Please, you live for my posts.

I do...see how even tho you don't care, you are drawn back to me?....first you despise me, then you respond to my whims like a magnet...what was the name of that movie?

180 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:20:09pm

re: #179 albusteve

I do...see how even tho you don't care, you are drawn back to me?...first you despise me, then you respond to my whims like a magnet...what was the name of that movie?

Youtube Video
181 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:22:20pm

It reminds me of this.

182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:22:23pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout

I do see, however, that you seem to take some sort of (what to me is) strange delight in alienating people, then trying to bend them to your will by asserting your right to be who you are, while simultaneously telling them they have no right to be who THEY are. Perplexing.

I suppose it's only perplexing because you made that nonsense up out of whole cloth.

Since when did this topic become about me, anyway? Oh yeah, when I asserted my right to be who I am, regardless of where anyone else is.

Really bothers certain types, I guess. [shrug]

183 JRCMYP  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:22:47pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

Yes. When I found out I was carrying multiple fetuses. This was not a happy event for me or my husband. I'm so glad that this part of the law was struck down for the women in Texas.

184 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:23:05pm

re: #180 McSpiff

[Video]

Tommy!...a MI boy raised not far from me...everybody loved him around the hood back in the day....my sister dated his best buddy and knew him pretty well...he always came home

185 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:23:55pm

re: #179 albusteve

I do...

Yeah, I know. You're not alone, either.

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:24:56pm

re: #176 McSpiff

Nope, that would end in a question mark.

So you've already determined you know me better than I do.

Interesting. Typical.

187 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:25:26pm

re: #178 b_sharp

My exploration was because of the old prostate problem men of my age sometimes get. The prostate was good and the bladder was good but they found my little buddy was brainless.

I've got Interstitial Cystitis or Painful Bladder Syndrome. I've been in a flare since April. It sucks but there's tons worse shit out there.

188 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:25:31pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I suppose it's only perplexing because you made that nonsense up out of whole cloth.

Since when did this topic become about me, anyway? Oh yeah, when I asserted my right to be who I am, regardless of where anyone else is.

Really bothers certain types, I guess. [shrug]

Its weird, you're the only person who has any problem being themselves on this forum. It couldn't be that you've defined your personality entirely in terms of defending your gender, race and sexual orientation.

You do realize "I think OHIHACONSP is an idiot" does not imply "I hate black, gay, women" right?

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:25:50pm

re: #187 prairiefire

I've got Interstitial Cystitis or Painful Bladder Syndrome. I've been in a flare since April. It sucks but there's tons worse shit out there.

oooh, so sorry!

190 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:26:16pm

re: #175 ggt

Could we give them their own Pages to go about their verbal interplay?

Nah. I'm waiting for them to see them set their first date. The two have animal magnetism, they won't be able resist each other.!

/ :D

191 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:26:28pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I suppose it's only perplexing because you made that nonsense up out of whole cloth.

Since when did this topic become about me, anyway? Oh yeah, when I asserted my right to be who I am, regardless of where anyone else is.

Really bothers certain types, I guess. [shrug]

your rights have nothing to do with me, yet you try to drag me into your gig, which is all about you....personally I don't give a shit who you are and the fact that I defend gays and women is no concern of your, but you made it one and then belittle me for it....what a laugher

192 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:27:16pm

re: #189 ggt

oooh, so sorry!

Thanks, it's ok. It's getting better.

193 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:28:01pm

You may have seen this, but if not Rick Perry, how he got rich working for the government aka Duncan Hunter

Duncan Hunter is in jail. Rick Perry is the slippery Walking Man (Stephen King)

194 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:28:02pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Nah. I'm waiting for them to see them set their first date. The two have animal magnetism, they won't be able resist each other.!

/ :D

It's truly like the the scene from (my #181) Annie Get Your Gun.

or the Taming of the Shrew

I can't decide which.

195 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:28:35pm

re: #187 prairiefire

I've got Interstitial Cystitis or Painful Bladder Syndrome. I've been in a flare since April. It sucks but there's tons worse shit out there.

Case in point?

196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:29:11pm

re: #188 McSpiff

You do realize "I think OHIHACONSP is an idiot" does not imply "I hate black, gay, women" right?

Is this about you and your own anxieties? I don't care who you do or don't hate.

Why should I?

197 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:29:33pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I suppose it's only perplexing because you made that nonsense up out of whole cloth.

Since when did this topic become about me, anyway? Oh yeah, when I asserted my right to be who I am, regardless of where anyone else is.

Really bothers certain types, I guess. [shrug]

No, it wasn't about that. Nobody has ever had a problem with you asserting your right to be you. It started when you claimed control over others in their desire to offer help. You have control over you, you do not have control over others and it is their decision to expend whatever energy they want to help or not help you. You can choose to accept or reject that help, but you do not determine if and when someone offers it.

198 elizajane  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:30:28pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Way to go, judicial branch.

One of the last sane parts of government left is the court system.

Which, of course, the GOP is trying to fuck up by blocking appointment of new judges.

Oy.

This would be why Rick Perry wants to abolish lifetime tenure for Federal judges. Because then he could get rid of the pesky ones.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:30:40pm

re: #191 albusteve

your rights have nothing to do with me,

Take it up with reine - she's the one bellowing about "rights" to be who anyone is, and how I'm allegedly denying anyone else theirs. I did not bring up "rights" at all.

Hilarious.

200 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:30:50pm

re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is this about you and your own anxieties? I don't care who you do or don't hate.

Why should I?

Glaze. Obvious troll is becoming increasingly obvious.

201 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:30:52pm

re: #186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

So you've already determined you know me better than I do.

Interesting. Typical.

You're putting words in his mouth.

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:32:29pm

re: #200 McSpiff

Glaze. Obvious troll is becoming increasingly obvious.

Best not to get involved. A Menage a Trois with these two is not advised.

203 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:33:29pm

re: #194 ggt

It's truly like the the scene from (my #181) Annie Get Your Gun.

or the Taming of the Shrew

I can't decide which.

It's Annie Get Your Gun, with a major change. In real life Annie won her shooting contest with her future husband on Governor's Island, but when he was writing his play, Irving Berlin changed that to make it look like she effectively threw the match so as not to humiliate him.

OCSP is like the real Annie, she'd never take a dive or knuckle under. and the idea of her being 'tamed' is impossible to picture.

204 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:33:34pm

It's time for me to hit the sack, I have a big day ahead of me tomorrow.
Goodnight, friends.

205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:33:37pm

re: #197 b_sharp

No, it wasn't about that. Nobody has ever had a problem with you asserting your right to be you. It started when you claimed control over others in their desire to offer help. You have control over you, you do not have control over others and it is their decision to expend whatever energy they want to help or not help you. You can choose to accept or reject that help, but you do not determine if and when someone offers it.

Oh please...If I want to reject steve's alleged blanket "help" of women and gays, especially the way he behaves regarding women and me as an individual, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I've determined it's not for me. That should be an issue with no one. It shouldn't even have to be explained.

Why would anyone want to?

206 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:34:35pm

It takes two:

Youtube Video
207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:35:46pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

It's Annie Get Your Gun, with a major change. In real life Annie won her shooting contest with her future husband on Governor's Island, but when he was writing his play, Irving Berlin changed that to make it look like she effectively threw the match so as not to humiliate him.

OCSP is like the real Annie, she'd never take a dive or knuckle under. and the idea of her being 'tamed' is impossible to picture.

Annie's husband in real life must have been a very emotionally secure man. They do exist. Good for her!

208 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:36:01pm

re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Take it up with reine - she's the one bellowing about "rights" to be who anyone is, and how I'm allegedly denying anyone else theirs. I did not bring up "rights" at all.

Hilarious.

she's not bellowing...is that nice to say?...you are easily the most insecure poster I ever recall....why do you keep up the poodle nipping?...nobody here has dissed you but you hostility is tiresome...folks are friendly towards you and you seem to resent it...get a clue

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:37:17pm

re: #201 b_sharp

You're putting words in his mouth.

When someone tells you "I'm going to make an assumption that you've worked with various advocacy groups" then proceeds to wag their fingers at you about how much money I may potentially have taken from this person or another, then no, it's not putting words in his mouth, at all.

If he's wondering about that, he can simply ask.

Sorry, but this is just basic stuff.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:37:52pm

bbiab

211 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:38:23pm

re: #200 McSpiff

Glaze. Obvious troll is becoming increasingly obvious.

Glaze is for doughnuts.

212 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:38:24pm

re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh please...If I want to reject steve's alleged blanket "help" of women and gays, especially the way he behaves regarding women and me as an individual, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I've determined it's not for me. That should be an issue with no one. It shouldn't even have to be explained.

Why would anyone want to?

Who said we can do anything about your rejection of Steve's help of gays and women? Reject all you want. The point is, you can do nothing to stop Steve helping gays and women, so why even try?

213 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:39:07pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

Has anyone else on this blog had this procedure?

It's something between a pap smear and a regular sonogram.

Won't trigger PTSD, but not particularly pleasant.

Not something anyone should have done involuntarily. As for me, I was happy to see my baby was well.

I've had numerous intravaginal ultrasounds during my infertility treatments. I tolerated it because I was choosing to try to conceive and the doctor needed a really good look at my ovaries. That was MY choice, however, and not something that women should be compelled to have.

214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:39:24pm

re: #208 albusteve

is that nice to say?

You are the most non-credible person on earth to be lecturing anyone else on being nice.

215 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:41:17pm

re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh please...If I want to reject steve's alleged blanket "help" of women and gays, especially the way he behaves regarding women and me as an individual, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I've determined it's not for me. That should be an issue with no one. It shouldn't even have to be explained.

Why would anyone want to?

I think I've figured out the problem here, its just a simple miscommunication. I apologize for being abrasive before. Although its not explicitly stated in the rules, its essentially a house rule that anything posted here is assumed to be a topic of discussion. I think what you're doing is posting every thought that happens to float through your head. This is not your blog. Just because people discuss what you post doesn't mean they are attacking you or even particular interested in you, your sexuality or your politics.

216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:41:58pm

re: #212 b_sharp

Who said we can do anything about your rejection of Steve's help of gays and women?

Wrong question. What does it matter if I do, based on my own criteria?

Who cares, and I do not mean that rhetorically.

217 Lidane  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:42:22pm

re: #7 Obdicut

I sometimes wonder if the average independent who casts a vote for the GOP has ever actually looked at their platform. Their actual party planks are so nutjob I feel like I'm looking at LaRouchites.

Seriously. The written Republican party platform should scare people who aren't complete wingnuts.

218 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:42:24pm

re: #216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wrong question. What does it matter if I do, based on my own criteria?

Who cares, and I do not mean that rhetorically.

Then why post it in the first place.

219 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:43:16pm

re: #215 McSpiff

I think I've figured out the problem here, its just a simple miscommunication. I apologize for being abrasive before. Although its not explicitly stated in the rules, its essentially a house rule that anything posted here is assumed to be a topic of discussion. I think what you're doing is posting every thought that happens to float through your head. This is not your blog. Just because people discuss what you post doesn't mean they are attacking you or even particular interested in you, your sexuality or your politics.

Quoted For Truth.

220 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:44:30pm

re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Take it up with reine - she's the one bellowing about "rights" to be who anyone is, and how I'm allegedly denying anyone else theirs. I did not bring up "rights" at all.

Hilarious.

Oh, I don't bellow.
You must made that up out of whole cloth.

221 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:46:13pm

re: #215 McSpiff

I think I've figured out the problem here, its just a simple miscommunication. I apologize for being abrasive before. Although its not explicitly stated in the rules, its essentially a house rule that anything posted here is assumed to be a topic of discussion. I think what you're doing is posting every thought that happens to float through your head. This is not your blog. Just because people discuss what you post doesn't mean they are attacking you or even particular interested in you, your sexuality or your politics.

No, you're still guessing, presuming, and anticipating what I think without even bothering to ask, then proclaiming your judgments. It's a supremacist mindset.

If I felt "attacked", I would not post at all. So I don't know where you got that from.

Not interested in me, or whatever/whoever you think I am? Then just skip over the posts. Just because I reply to someone who replies to me does not mean I think it's my blog...next time you want to know what I think about something just ask. Otherwise, yes, you do risk that element of miscommunication. Is it on purpose?

222 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:46:35pm

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

223 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:47:10pm

re: #195 publicityStunted

Case in point?

That poor person! Crazy shit happens all the time.

224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:47:11pm

re: #218 McSpiff

Then why post it in the first place.

Because I have something to say in response. Why shouldn't I?

225 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:47:40pm

re: #222 JasonA

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

Oh, baby, we could get on the subject of cysts for ya!

226 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:48:18pm

re: #222 JasonA

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

This LGF thread brought to you by Oxygen...

227 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:48:43pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Oh, baby, we could get on the subject of cysts for ya!

oh god please make it stop...

228 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:48:44pm

re: #221 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, you're still guessing, presuming, and anticipating what I think without even bothering to ask, then proclaiming your judgments. It's a supremacist mindset.

If I felt "attacked", I would not post at all. So I don't know where you got that from.

Not interested in me, or whatever/whoever you think I am? Then just skip over the posts. Just because I reply to someone who replies to me does not mean I think it's my blog...next time you want to know what I think about something just ask. Otherwise, yes, you do risk that element of miscommunication. Is it on purpose?

upthread in separate posts you said I was miserable and in the other that I was raging...you have no cred

229 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:48:59pm

re: #223 prairiefire

That poor person! Crazy shit happens all the time.

Here's the full story:

US gardener survives being impaled in eye with shears

Leroy Luetscher said he had been trimming plants in his yard in Arizona last month when he lost his balance and fell on the tool.

One handle of the shears went into his right eye socket and down to his neck, leaving the other resting on his face.

It freaks me out because I have a pair of gardening shears exactly like that o_O

Going to be just a little harder for me to use them now...

230 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:49:08pm

re: #222 JasonA

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

Nothing quite like the nightly drama hour.

/

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:49:57pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

Oh, I don't bellow.
You must made that up out of whole cloth.

Lol since when did posting something from one's own POV ever become an issue of "rights to be who [we are]"?

That's makin' shyt up. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

232 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:04pm

re: #221 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Trust me, its better that I assume. You're a much better debater that way.

233 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:04pm

re: #209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

When someone tells you "I'm going to make an assumption that you've worked with various advocacy groups" then proceeds to wag their fingers at you about how much money I may potentially have taken from this person or another, then no, it's not putting words in his mouth, at all.

If he's wondering about that, he can simply ask.

Sorry, but this is just basic stuff.

Here's the quote:

"I'm going to make an assumption that you've worked with various advocacy groups. How do you know you've never spent steve's money or someone like him? "

There is no finger wagging in there about you taking money. It isn't about the money. What is in there is an illustration of your inability, or anyone else for that matter, to control Steve's help of those groups, and indirectly anyone associated with them.

234 Lidane  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:04pm

I have zero inclination to read through all the drama. Don't care. It's been a long damn day, and this week just got started.

Hope everyone is doing well tonight! :D

235 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:06pm

re: #222 JasonA

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

LOL!...
choose science...

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:07pm

re: #222 JasonA

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

Um...did you look at the subject of the post?

237 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:15pm

re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nothing quite like the nightly drama hour.

/

I'd rather be talking about video games. :-/

238 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:16pm

re: #221 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, you're still guessing, presuming, and anticipating what I think without even bothering to ask, then proclaiming your judgments. It's a supremacist mindset.
. . .

You're doing your own guessing, presuming and anticipating here. Assume a supremacist mindset, accuse someone of having it when no such mindset has been displayed - You've done it with me, with Steve, McSpiff -

239 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:50:46pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Oh, baby, we could get on the subject of cysts for ya!

yeast infections!
yaaayyy!

240 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:51:09pm

re: #237 JasonA

I'd rather be talking about video games. :-/

Sounds good. So, played any good ones lately?

241 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:51:49pm

re: #238 reine.de.tout

You're doing your own guessing, presuming and anticipating here. Assume a supremacist mindset, accuse someone of having it when no such mindset has been displayed - You've done it with me, with Steve, McSpiff -

No its true, I really do want to surpress gay,black, lesbian women. I just never knew it before tonight. What a supremacist I've been :(

242 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:52:24pm

re: #240 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sounds good. So, played any good ones lately?

Road Kill on the PS2. It's like what Twisted Metal should have been in the "interim" between Black and the new one coming out.

243 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #240 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sounds good. So, played any good ones lately?

Yeah. Well, an oldie. I have to confess that until now I never played Half Life 2. Seemed like a good time to grab The Orange Box and holy crap why didn't anyone tell me this was so awesome?!?

This'll keep me busy for a while, but on Thursday I shall be playing Tropico 4. Can't wait.

244 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:52:57pm

re: #216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wrong question. What does it matter if I do, based on my own criteria?

Who cares, and I do not mean that rhetorically.

Nobody cares. Nobody said they care.

I have to head for bed.
Goodnight.

245 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:52:58pm

re: #239 albusteve

yeast infections!
yaaayyy!

[Albusteve touches the match to the gasoline as Dark_Falcon dives into his bunker]

246 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:53:22pm

re: #239 albusteve

yeast infections!
yaaayyy!

My father will start yelling "No! No! No!' if female complaints are brought up in his presence.

247 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:53:30pm

re: #227 JasonA

oh god please make it stop...

Well, you summoned me. Let's see if God shows up.
/

248 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:53:37pm

re: #233 b_sharp

Here's the quote:

There is no finger wagging in there about you taking money.

You missed the point, completely.

It's not even about steve, per se: If Mc wishes to know about these vague, random "advocacy groups" he wonders if I've worked with, he can just ask.

249 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:53:57pm

re: #239 albusteve

yeast infections!
yaaayyy!

Not strictly a feminine problem!
Seriously.
They can strike anywhere the conditions are right.
Let's talk about it . . .
ick

250 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:54:12pm

re: #241 McSpiff

No its true, I really do want to surpress gay,black, lesbian women. I just never knew it before tonight. What a supremacist I've been :(

three people make a club...
GBLhater Scouts

251 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:54:21pm

re: #242 laZardo

Road Kill on the PS2. It's like what Twisted Metal should have been in the "interim" between Black and the new one coming out.

Ah, Twisted Metal, that takes me back. Think the new one will be any good?

252 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:55:10pm

re: #232 McSpiff

Trust me, its better that I assume.

Thanks for playing Straw Man Theatre.

253 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:55:10pm

re: #249 reine.de.tout

Not strictly a feminine problem!
Seriously.
They can strike anywhere the conditions are right.
Let's talk about it . . .
ick

I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!!

/

254 dell*nix  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:55:32pm

re: #239 albusteve

or links to draining sebaceous cysts.

255 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:55:56pm

I was going to chat, but the vicodin i kicking in. Don't ask.

256 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:56:05pm

re: #249 reine.de.tout

Not strictly a feminine problem!
Seriously.
They can strike anywhere the conditions are right.
Let's talk about it . . .
ick

OK, is there a way to use the yeast for baking?

/dives back into bunker

257 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:56:29pm

re: #241 McSpiff

No its true, I really do want to surpress gay,black, lesbian women.

9_9

258 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:56:42pm

re: #249 reine.de.tout

Not strictly a feminine problem!
Seriously.
They can strike anywhere the conditions are right.
Let's talk about it . . .
ick

I know nothing, really...just tossed that out for color

259 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:56:42pm

re: #243 JasonA

Yeah. Well, an oldie. I have to confess that until now I never played Half Life 2. Seemed like a good time to grab The Orange Box and holy crap why didn't anyone tell me this was so awesome?!?

This'll keep me busy for a while, but on Thursday I shall be playing Tropico 4. Can't wait.

Yeah, I have the same confession. I bought HL2, started playing it...and then quit. Partially because I read the descriptions about Ravenholm and said "SCREW THAT!"

And yeah, I might look into Tropico, mostly because I loved the first game and found the second somewhat acceptable. Something to be said about games that put you in the position of a power-hungry dictator.

260 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:57:02pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

OK, is there a way to use the yeast for baking?

/dives back into bunker

Brewing mead maybe.

261 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:57:05pm

re: #255 imp_62

I was going to chat, but the vicodin i kicking in. Don't ask.

Oh, hope you feel better.

262 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:57:16pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

OK, is there a way to use the yeast for baking?

Let's hope not!

263 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:57:25pm

re: #222 JasonA

I don't know which is worse, the infighting or all the talk of feminine medical procedures...

The infighting.

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:58:02pm

Good on Sparks for sanity in this ruling. Laws like this are not about the sanctity of life, but the subjugation of women.

Still, it is wise not to be complacent in common partisanship. A similar bill was sponsored by a democrat in another state, and passed by many republicans and democrats in that state.

Scrutinize the hell out of your would-be representatives.

265 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:58:44pm

re: #257 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

9_9

What, why that look? Don't I have the right to live my life the way I want?

266 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:58:49pm

re: #255 imp_62

I was going to chat, but the vicodin i kicking in. Don't ask.

hey, I'm a fellow former addict!....
seriously, hope your cool

267 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:59:09pm

re: #261 prairiefire

Oh, hope you feel better.

on my bike, manic pickup driver with a trailer hit me. ambulance, emergency room, x-rays, CT scans, stitches, bruising. First time I have seriously considered suing someone.

But the vicodin IS tasty...

268 Lidane  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:59:34pm

On a strictly drama-free note, has anyone read any books written by Clayton Christensen? I have to read two of his books for a class and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight to offer about him and his work.

269 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 8:59:38pm

re: #263 Sionainn

The infighting.

Toss-up.

270 BishopX  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:00:07pm

re: #267 imp_62

Hope he had insurance....

271 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:00:13pm

re: #241 McSpiff

No its true, I really do want to surpress gay,black, lesbian women. I just never knew it before tonight. What a supremacist I've been :(

I always suspected as much.

//

272 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:00:38pm

re: #265 McSpiff

What, why that look? Don't I have the right to live my life the way I want?

Only until President Perry and VP Bachmann take over.

273 Claire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:01:24pm

I agree with the decision. It's not the probe that I have a problem with per se, and I don't think they have "rape" and invasion in mind with the sonograms, contrary to the gut reaction from males unfamiliar with Ob/Gyn procedures. it's the emotional coercion and compulsion they would force medical people to do on the states behalf. Don't know how on earth they could force someone to look at a sonogram (put toothpicks in their eyelids?) Bizarre.

Guys, just so you know, quite a few objects will be going up in their during an abortion. A speculum, a few cannulas, some scraping tools and suction tools, and before that, somebody's fingers at the very least and/or the probe to gauge the stage of pregnancy. Can't be avoided.

274 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:01:35pm

re: #260 Naso Tang

Brewing mead maybe.

I got drunk on mead at Epcot, almost drunk that is...well, drunk, but I bought several bottles at Norway, then forgot to go retrieve them at the end....$200 down the tubes.....eight hours later I didn't recall any of it, but my pics are hilarious

275 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:01:55pm

re: #270 BishopX

Hope he had insurance...

Unknown atm. Picking up the police report tomorrow. But I have every intention of taking possession of his F-250 at the very soonest.

276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:02:32pm

re: #238 reine.de.tout

You're doing your own guessing, presuming and anticipating here. Assume a supremacist mindset, accuse someone of having it when no such mindset has been displayed - You've done it with me, with Steve, McSpiff -

Yes, tell us how DIFFICULT it is to be you, and what a victim the three of you are because I happen to have my own things to say, from no one's POV but my own.

For next time: don't accuse me of squashing other's "right to be who they are" simply because I post from my own position. As for McSpiff and steve, they can defend themselves, or don't you think so.

277 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:02:56pm

re: #274 albusteve

I got drunk on mead at Epcot, almost drunk that is...well, drunk, but I bought several bottles at Norway, then forgot to go retrieve them at the end...$200 down the tubes...eight hours later I didn't recall any of it, but my pics are hilarious

You have just described my junior year at Cornell.

278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:03:08pm

re: #265 McSpiff

What, why that look?

Does it offend you?

279 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:03:16pm

re: #267 imp_62

on my bike, manic pickup driver with a trailer hit me. ambulance, emergency room, x-rays, CT scans, stitches, bruising. First time I have seriously considered suing someone.

But the vicodin IS tasty...

yeah, it's a lover...got run over by a truck?...dude, that is so cool!

280 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:03:17pm

re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Why do you keep talking? Haven't I oppressed you enough?

281 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:04:03pm

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I have the same confession. I bought HL2, started playing it...and then quit. Partially because I read the descriptions about Ravenholm and said "SCREW THAT!"

And yeah, I might look into Tropico, mostly because I loved the first game and found the second somewhat acceptable. Something to be said about games that put you in the position of a power-hungry dictator.

I do have one criticism about HL2, and it's that the levels seem to be a little too long for my tastes. Just a bit. And I downloaded the Tropico 4 demo from Steam and it really is gorgeous.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:04:25pm

re: #249 reine.de.tout

Not strictly a feminine problem!
Seriously.
They can strike anywhere the conditions are right.
Let's talk about it . . .
ick

same thing as athlete's foot or jock itch.

283 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:04:35pm

re: #267 imp_62

on my bike, manic pickup driver with a trailer hit me. ambulance, emergency room, x-rays, CT scans, stitches, bruising. First time I have seriously considered suing someone.

But the vicodin IS tasty...

We can tell from your writing just how tasty the vicodin is.

284 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:04:38pm

re: #267 imp_62

on my bike, manic pickup driver with a trailer hit me. ambulance, emergency room, x-rays, CT scans, stitches, bruising. First time I have seriously considered suing someone.

But the vicodin IS tasty...

Oh, no! Rest up, the stress alone from an accident is hard.

The folks around here use the bike lanes as turn lanes. It is extremely dangerous to bike ride around aggressive hillbillies.

285 dell*nix  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:04:49pm

re: #279 albusteve

Must be the brand name that is tasty. The generic stuff is pretty bland to me.

286 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:05:00pm

re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, tell us how DIFFICULT it is to be you, and what a victim the three of you are because I happen to have my own things to say, from no one's POV but my own.

For next time: don't accuse me of squashing other's "right to be who they are" simply because I post from my own position. As for McSpiff and steve, they can defend themselves, or don't you think so.

reine is our friend...you should be so lucky

287 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:05:20pm

re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth

Good on Sparks for sanity in this ruling. Laws like this are not about the sanctity of life, but the subjugation of women.

Still, it is wise not to be complacent in common partisanship. A similar bill was sponsored by a democrat in another state, and passed by many republicans and democrats in that state.

Scrutinize the hell out of your would-be representatives.

Hey!
Where the heck have you been? Feel like I haven't seen you in a month of Sundays.

288 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:05:59pm

re: #238 reine.de.tout

You're doing your own guessing, presuming and anticipating here. Assume a supremacist mindset, accuse someone of having it when no such mindset has been displayed - You've done it with me, with Steve, McSpiff -

Agreed. Jumping the shark is this one, my Queen.

By the way, watching the first season of Treme. Not as brutal as it should be, but only two discs in. Bona Fides: I lived in NO for ten years, and have been back four times since The Thing, including a survey team down The Parish and Plaquemines two weeks after It happened.

289 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:06:08pm

re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, tell us how DIFFICULT it is to be you, and what a victim the three of you are because I happen to have my own things to say, from no one's POV but my own.

For next time: don't accuse me of squashing other's "right to be who they are" simply because I post from my own position. As for McSpiff and steve, they can defend themselves, or don't you think so.

Oh, fer gawd's sake, quit.
Just quit it.
We're trying to move on, here.

290 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:06:18pm

re: #279 albusteve

yeah, it's a lover...got run over by a truck?...dude, that is so cool!

It was surreal. He was yelling at me out of his window because he did not like the way I rode by him at an intersection (I did nothing wrong). After he hit me he got out of the truck and yelled at me some more. I was gobsmacked. Standing there bleeding and this dude wants to start a fight or something. Weird. Road crew came to help out and the local cop had a chat with him. But I am pissed.

291 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:07:00pm

re: #277 imp_62

You have just described my junior year at Cornell.

I loved mead and never had it since...made me feel manly, like burn a village or whatever

292 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:07:23pm

re: #283 reine.de.tout

We can tell from your writing just how tasty the vicodin is.

And that was my first one :) the next couple of days are gonna be SWEET!

293 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:07:26pm

re: #288 austin_blue

Agreed. Jumping the shark is this one, my Queen.

By the way, watching the first season of Treme. Not as brutal as it should be, but only two discs in. Bona Fides: I lived in NO for ten years, and have been back four times since The Thing, including a survey team down The Parish and Plaquemines two weeks after It happened.

Do you know - I haven't watched that show?
I keep meaning to, but I've never seen it, I don't even know which network carries it (or if I even get that particular network).

I need to check it out. . .

294 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:07:37pm

re: #281 JasonA

I do have one criticism about HL2, and it's that the levels seem to be a little too long for my tastes. Just a bit. And I downloaded the Tropico 4 demo from Steam and it really is gorgeous.

Right now, I'm sort of at ends, as I'm waiting til payday to go looking for a copy of Deus Ex, while at the same time slightly annoyed that the next DLC for New Vegas has been delayed and there's no set release date for the next update for Minecraft.

Considering just saying to hell with it and going for 100% completion on L.A. Noire.

295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:07:40pm

re: #273 Claire

I agree with the decision. It's not the probe that I have a problem with per se, and I don't think they have "rape" and invasion in mind with the sonograms, contrary to the gut reaction from males unfamiliar with Ob/Gyn procedures. it's the emotional coercion and compulsion they would force medical people to do on the states behalf. Don't know how on earth they could force someone to look at a sonogram (put toothpicks in their eyelids?) Bizarre.

That's really the heart of the matter. So much of this stuff is out of their own weird fantasies.

The other is the coersion/compulsion of medical personnel. Alouettes been steadily posting on the circumcision ban in SF that just got kicked off the ballot. I'd been hoping it would get kicked off because of the obvious religious reasons, but the actual reason was over the role of city/county over medical procedures - similar issue.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:07:42pm

re: #267 imp_62

on my bike, manic pickup driver with a trailer hit me. ambulance, emergency room, x-rays, CT scans, stitches, bruising. First time I have seriously considered suing someone.

But the vicodin IS tasty...

Just remember if one is good, two isn't necessarily better.

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:08:16pm

re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth

Good on Sparks for sanity in this ruling. Laws like this are not about the sanctity of life, but the subjugation of women.

Still, it is wise not to be complacent in common partisanship. A similar bill was sponsored by a democrat in another state, and passed by many republicans and democrats in that state.

Scrutinize the hell out of your would-be representatives.

Your alive!

I've asked about you, but no one responded.

:(

298 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:08:24pm

re: #291 albusteve

I loved mead and never had it since...made me feel manly, like burn a village or whatever

I was referring to "not remembering anything, but the pics are hilarious" - it should be on my gravestone.

299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:08:31pm

re: #280 McSpiff

Why do you keep talking?

What are you going to do to stop it?

300 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:09:35pm

re: #138 austin_blue

And that's OK with you? Health care based not on the Common Good, as enshrined in the preamble of the Constitution, but on who can afford it?

Shame, D_F. Really.

The "common good" does not require that money buy nothing whatsoever. And if money buys anything, those who have it and are ill may wish to use it to regain their health.

You cannot outlaw the use of money for health purposes.

301 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:09:43pm

re: #268 Lidane

On a strictly drama-free note, has anyone read any books written by Clayton Christensen? I have to read two of his books for a class and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight to offer about him and his work.

I checked. No aliens, dragons, spaceships, magic spells, princesses, time lords, or ancient gods still kicking around.

No, I haven't read this author.

302 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:09:45pm

re: #299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What are you going to do to stop it?

If I oppress any harder i might go blind!

303 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:09:47pm

re: #297 ggt

Your alive!

I've asked about you, but no one responded.

:(

He slumbers. Then he sets the thread right. Then he goes back to sleep.

304 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:09:49pm

re: #290 imp_62

It was surreal. He was yelling at me out of his window because he did not like the way I rode by him at an intersection (I did nothing wrong). After he hit me he got out of the truck and yelled at me some more. I was gobsmacked. Standing there bleeding and this dude wants to start a fight or something. Weird. Road crew came to help out and the local cop had a chat with him. But I am pissed.

you probably have a solid case, but licking your wounds and letting it go has merit...a suit would bog you down for years

305 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:10:18pm

Night, lizards.

306 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:10:47pm

re: #234 Lidane

I have zero inclination to read through all the drama. Don't care. It's been a long damn day, and this week just got started.

Hope everyone is doing well tonight! :D

It's odd, isn't it? We hit 112 in Austin on Sunday and everyone agreed that it was just brutal.

109 yesterday and it was "not so bad".

105 today and it was "oh, that's so much better."

For fuck's sake! It was 105 today! That's killing hot!

307 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:10:58pm

re: #296 ggt

Just remember if one is good, two isn't necessarily better.

I am trying to figure out the best balance of the vicodin i have on scrip and the nurofen plus (with codeine!) that i smuggle into the country...

308 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:11:23pm

re: #289 reine.de.tout

Oh, fer gawd's sake, quit.
Just quit it.
We're trying to move on, here.

You respond to my posts, I respond to yours, that's the way it goes. There are multiple conversations going on, and you do not have any say in who and what I answer. Don't forget it.

309 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:12:08pm

re: #302 McSpiff

If I oppress any harder i might go blind!

You may wish you had that kind of power, but you don't. Not anymore. Sux to be you, I guess.

310 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:12:11pm

re: #306 austin_blue

It's odd, isn't it? We hit 112 in Austin on Sunday and everyone agreed that it was just brutal.

109 yesterday and it was "not so bad".

105 today and it was "oh, that's so much better."

For fuck's sake! It was 105 today! That's killing hot!

"Come on, boys! The way you're lollygaggin' around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was a hundert an' twenty degree. Can't be more than a hundert an' fourteen."

//

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:12:35pm

re: #307 imp_62

I am trying to figure out the best balance of the vicodin i have on scrip and the nurofen plus (with codeine!) that i smuggle into the country...

oh geez!

You are kidding, right

Remember all that codeine will bind you up!

312 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:12:41pm

re: #268 Lidane

On a strictly drama-free note, has anyone read any books written by Clayton Christensen? I have to read two of his books for a class and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight to offer about him and his work.

I don't know, but was curious and found 11 books from 1999, 2003, 2004 and the rest 2010, 2011, all with a similar sounding title and theme.

Somehow I find myself suspicious of someone who has time to write so many books (3 in 2011, 2 in 2010) and gain real experience at the same time, but not be able to fit all this into just 1 or 2 books.

I bet there will be more in 2012 and 2013.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the real innovation is creating a catchy series of books.

313 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:13:10pm

re: #308 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You respond to my posts, I respond to yours, that's the way it goes. There are multiple conversations going on, and you do not have any say in who and what I answer. Don't forget it.

I'll forget whatever the hell I want to.
Or is this another of your attempts to BEND ME TO YOUR WILL????

314 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:13:18pm

re: #304 albusteve

you probably have a solid case, but licking your wounds and letting it go has merit...a suit would bog you down for years

I am a 49 year old J.D. who has never ever personally taken anyone to court. I hate when people slip in a supermarket and try to make a buck. But this guy is an asshole who needs to be taught a little something about proper etiquette and social graces. A lesson will be taught and the beating will continue until behaviour improves.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:13:25pm

re: #312 Naso Tang

I don't know, but was curious and found 11 books from 1999, 2003, 2004 and the rest 2010, 2011, all with a similar sounding title and theme.

Somehow I find myself suspicious of someone who has time to write so many books (3 in 2011, 2 in 2010) and gain real experience at the same time, but not be able to fit all this into just 1 or 2 books.

I bet there will be more in 2012 and 2013.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the real innovation is creating a catchy series of books.

Yeah, that kind of book production always makes me leery.

316 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:13:30pm

re: #308 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You respond to my posts, I respond to yours, that's the way it goes. There are multiple conversations going on, and you do not have any say in who and what I answer. Don't forget it.

You're awfully whiny tonight. Did a racist cut you off? Homophobe cut in front of you at the Whole Foods?

317 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:13:45pm

re: #292 imp_62

And that was my first one :) the next couple of days are gonna be SWEET!

short term buzz, enjoy it...I took tons of vicodin and then oxycodone for three years...often pounding myself with them...it was no buzz, no fun, just survival...long term use is awful...jus sayin

318 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:14:03pm

re: #315 ggt

Yeah, that kind of book production always makes me leery.

Well, unless the writer is a writer by trade.

Rick Riordan is doing 2 a year and is pretty much an industry at this point.

319 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:14:31pm

G'night folks.
OhCrap has ruined the evening.
I'm sure she takes great pleasure in it, so I'll say it again, just for kicks:
OhCrap has ruined the evening.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:14:58pm

re: #317 albusteve

short term buzz, enjoy it...I took tons of vicodin and then oxycodone for three years...often pounding myself with them...it was no buzz, no fun, just survival...long term use is awful...jus sayin

I use it to get a good night's sleep when I have pain. Never take it during the day. Or for more than 2-3 nights in a row.

If I can't deal with the pain after 3 days and 3 good night's sleep, something is seriously wrong and I need to go to the hospital.

scary shit!

and I LIKE IT!

321 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:14:58pm

They gave me vicodin with my second. I'm not sure why, what I really needed was strong ibuprofen. When the world went 2D, I decided no more.

322 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:15:24pm

re: #317 albusteve

short term buzz, enjoy it...I took tons of vicodin and then oxycodone for three years...often pounding myself with them...it was no buzz, no fun, just survival...long term use is awful...jus sayin

i know, i am really just goofing around. i almost didn't fill the scrip but my elbow and hip and head are killing me.

323 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:15:51pm

re: #321 EmmmieG

Second childbirth. I was trying not to freak out certain people, but I think that was too vague.

324 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:16:12pm

re: #283 reine.de.tout

We can tell from your writing just how tasty the vicodin is.

I've known someone hooked on that, but I never understood it. I have had vicodin many times after dental work, but never felt any kind of buzz. I can only assume one needs to take more than one at a time, which is not what one should need to do for pain.

325 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:16:19pm

b_sharp: I read through what you and others posted on the previous thread. My father, at age 55, was doing his daily 1.5 hour workout on his Nordic Track. He felt crappy afterwards and wasn't recovering the way he should. He decided that since this was extremely unusual for him, he'd go to the emergency room and get checked out. Good thing he did because he had a massive heart attack with three blockages (95%, 98%, and 98%). The doctors were surprised that he hadn't dropped dead. He had triple bypass surgery.

The crazy thing is that he had none of the symptoms of a heart attack. Please get yourself to an ER and get checked out. Don't wait until tomorrow or next week to call your doctor. Your doctor can't do anything for you and the ER is the place to get immediate attention and testing to find out what is going on.

326 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:16:21pm

re: #319 reine.de.tout

G'night folks.
OhCrap has ruined the evening.
I'm sure she takes great pleasure in it, so I'll say it again, just for kicks:
OhCrap has ruined the evening.

I dind't read the whole thread, but remember that everyone gets to have a bad day - tomorrow is a new one and hopefully better for all of us!

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:16:38pm

re: #319 reine.de.tout

G'night folks.
OhCrap has ruined the evening.
I'm sure she takes great pleasure in it, so I'll say it again, just for kicks:
OhCrap has ruined the evening.

And Steve together have. Think they'd come-up for air every once in awhile.

328 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:17:01pm

re: #309 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You may wish you had that kind of power, but you don't. Not anymore. Sux to be you, I guess.

Still get paid more. Statistically speaking.

329 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:17:04pm

re: #300 lostlakehiker

The "common good" does not require that money buy nothing whatsoever. And if money buys anything, those who have it and are ill may wish to use it to regain their health.

You cannot outlaw the use of money for health purposes.

Well, given that that comment was completely weird, you may want to tottle off to bed. Really.

Sweet dreams!

330 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:17:16pm

re: #298 imp_62

I was referring to "not remembering anything, but the pics are hilarious" - it should be on my gravestone.

mine too probably...I've had a lot of fun and some harrowing stuff too
gotta live the one life you have

331 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:17:36pm

re: #321 EmmmieG

They gave me vicodin with my second. I'm not sure why, what I really needed was strong ibuprofen. When the world went 2D, I decided no more.

Whoa. WHOA! Back up there Emmie, my girl. Are you telling me that as rule, the world has more than 2 dimensions??

332 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:17:54pm

re: #311 ggt

oh geez!

You are kidding, right

Remember all that codeine will bind you up!

Hi you.. I remember being in such pain with my knee injury...I took pain killers like crazy...I'll never forget this..The weight of the sheet was too much pain..I was screaming over the sheet.. I remember in those days they had pure darvorset or something..Life was worth living for 6 weeks or so...

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:17:57pm

re: #331 imp_62

Whoa. WHOA! Back up there Emmie, my girl. Are you telling me that as rule, the world has more than 2 dimensions??

At least 5, I thought.

334 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:18:15pm

re: #313 reine.de.tout

I'll forget whatever the hell I want to.
Or is this another of your attempts to BEND ME TO YOUR WILL???

I'll never be bent to anyone's will. That's all you need to remember. So stop yelling at me, please.

335 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:18:17pm

re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, tell us how DIFFICULT it is to be you, and what a victim the three of you are because I happen to have my own things to say, from no one's POV but my own.

For next time: don't accuse me of squashing other's "right to be who they are" simply because I post from my own position. As for McSpiff and steve, they can defend themselves, or don't you think so.

Boo.

336 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:19:03pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

Hi you.. I remember being in such pain with my knee injury...I took pain killers like crazy...I'll never forget this..The weight of the sheet was too much pain..I was screaming over the sheet.. I remember in those days they had pure darvorset or something..Life was worth living for 6 weeks or so...

Yeah, they are great when you really need them.

Problem is that I think I ALWAYS need them.

337 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:19:19pm

re: #329 austin_blue

Well, given that that comment was completely weird, you may want to tottle off to bed. Really.

Sweet dreams!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

338 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:19:46pm

re: #316 McSpiff

You're awfully whiny tonight. Did a racist cut you off? Homophobe cut in front of you at the Whole Foods?

Tell me more about your social fantasies.

339 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:19:49pm

re: #334 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'll never be bent to anyone's will. That's all you need to remember. So stop yelling at me, please.

Honest question, why post here?

340 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:20:08pm

re: #299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What are you going to do to stop it?

Troller

Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.

341 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:20:25pm

re: #333 ggt

At least 5, I thought.

Count 'em down.
chocolate, vanilla
left, right
up, down
right, wrong
Perry, sane

I never come up with more than 2...

342 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:20:42pm

re: #331 imp_62

Whoa. WHOA! Back up there Emmie, my girl. Are you telling me that as rule, the world has more than 2 dimensions??

Just cover one eye. Voila, 2D.

343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:20:56pm

re: #328 McSpiff

Still get paid more. Statistically speaking.

As far as you assume/presume/whatever.

But as I told steve, this is not a contest. So just what it is you have to prove, I'm not clear on. Would you mind telling me?

344 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:21:40pm

re: #330 albusteve

mine too probably...I've had a lot of fun and some harrowing stuff too
gotta live the one life you have

Really the more I think about it--

Here lies X.
"Can't Remember a Thing, But the Pics are Hilarious"
Rest in Peace

Sounds awesome..

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:21:58pm

re: #287 reine.de.tout

Where the heck have you been?

In Pain.

I've had chronic muscle pain in my mid-upper back for the last few months. Nothing too terribly debilitating, but consistently noticeable. A few weeks ago the pain spread up into my shoulder, and down into my arm and chest. All on my dominant side.

It got so that spending more than fifteen minutes on the computer exacerbated the pain to the point that I might whimper, so I have been abstaining and occupying myself with more mundane tasks.

This abstinence has brought significant relief. It would seem that the minute and repetitive motions related to using a pc mouse have a significant stressor effect on my pained muscles, and might even be the cause of it.

346 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:22:07pm

re: #307 imp_62

I am trying to figure out the best balance of the vicodin i have on scrip and the nurofen plus (with codeine!) that i smuggle into the country...

it's the tylenol that will wreck your liver...dip accordingly, but be very watchful...you can double up for a while, no big deal...just don't take several massive doses in a short time, or somewhat less for a longer period...down here in NM I got as much pain medicine as I wanted, so running out was not an issue...speaking of my disease ordeal

347 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:22:28pm

re: #339 McSpiff

Honest question, why post here?

How nice of you to ask.

I like the people I've met here. Why do you post here? I've told you honestly, would you tell me?

348 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:22:34pm

re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

As far as you assume/presume/whatever.

But as I told steve, this is not a contest. So just what it is you have to prove, I'm not clear on. Would you mind telling me?

I'm trying to bend you to my patriarchal supremacist will. I have no idea how I can be any clearer about this.

349 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:22:53pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

In Pain.

I've had chronic muscle pain in my mid-upper back for the last few months. Nothing too terribly debilitating, but consistently noticeable. A few weeks ago the pain spread up into my shoulder, and down into my arm and chest. All on my dominant side.

It got so that spending more than fifteen minutes on the computer exacerbated the pain to the point that I might whimper, so I have been abstaining and occupying myself with more mundane tasks.

This abstinence has brought significant relief. It would seem that the minute and repetitive motions related to using a pc mouse have a significant stressor effect on my pained muscles, and might even be the cause of it.

Have you seen your doctor about it?

350 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:22:58pm

re: #308 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You respond to my posts, I respond to yours, that's the way it goes. There are multiple conversations going on, and you do not have any say in who and what I answer. Don't forget it.

this is funny

351 jaunte  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:23:08pm

Photo for 8/31 of odd figures you can make with your fingers

352 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:23:27pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

pinched nerve in the back? (I'm going through a similar issue, and many of your symptoms are what I've been experiencing)

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:23:49pm

re: #341 imp_62

Count 'em down.
chocolate, vanilla
left, right
up, down
right, wrong
Perry, sane

I never come up with more than 2...

protons, electrons, neutrons
God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
black, white, and all the colors in between.
up, down, left, right, front, behind, inside, outside, between

when I do it, I always come-up with an odd number.

But I always go with the musical group --The 5th Dimension.

Makes it easier to remember.

354 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:24:15pm

re: #348 McSpiff

I'm trying to bend you to my patriarchal supremacist will. I have no idea how I can be any clearer about this.

STOP THAT... I just jumped through a damn hoop because of your thoughts!!
/

355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:24:35pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

In Pain.

I've had chronic muscle pain in my mid-upper back for the last few months. Nothing too terribly debilitating, but consistently noticeable. A few weeks ago the pain spread up into my shoulder, and down into my arm and chest. All on my dominant side.

It got so that spending more than fifteen minutes on the computer exacerbated the pain to the point that I might whimper, so I have been abstaining and occupying myself with more mundane tasks.

This abstinence has brought significant relief. It would seem that the minute and repetitive motions related to using a pc mouse have a significant stressor effect on my pained muscles, and might even be the cause of it.

Sorry to hear about the pain - sounds awful. I thought it might have been about the news about Breivik - I remember you were getting depressed about it.

356 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:24:42pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

In Pain.

I've had chronic muscle pain in my mid-upper back for the last few months. Nothing too terribly debilitating, but consistently noticeable. A few weeks ago the pain spread up into my shoulder, and down into my arm and chest. All on my dominant side.

It got so that spending more than fifteen minutes on the computer exacerbated the pain to the point that I might whimper, so I have been abstaining and occupying myself with more mundane tasks.

This abstinence has brought significant relief. It would seem that the minute and repetitive motions related to using a pc mouse have a significant stressor effect on my pained muscles, and might even be the cause of it.

Welcome to my world! I sit on the balance ball at the computer --helps much!

357 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:24:45pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

Good to see you back - sorry for the pain. I have given up on using a mouse and use the touchpad on my MacBook exclusively. I find that helped. Anyway, take good care.

358 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:25:04pm

re: #350 albusteve

this is funny

not really, but your point is taken.

359 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:25:26pm

re: #348 McSpiff

I'm trying to bend you to my patriarchal supremacist will.

e_e

360 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:25:30pm

re: #314 imp_62

I am a 49 year old J.D. who has never ever personally taken anyone to court. I hate when people slip in a supermarket and try to make a buck. But this guy is an asshole who needs to be taught a little something about proper etiquette and social graces. A lesson will be taught and the beating will continue until behaviour improves.

well, see a lawyer, and make sure your neck is not healthy...you might hit the jackpot dude...there is that

361 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:25:31pm

re: #351 jaunte

Photo for 8/31 of odd figures you can make with your fingers

Why?

362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:26:01pm

re: #350 albusteve

this is funny

So are you.

363 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:26:12pm

re: #353 ggt

protons, electrons, neutrons
God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
black, white, and all the colors in between.
up, down, left, right, front, behind, inside, outside, between

when I do it, I always come-up with an odd number.

But I always go with the musical group --The 5th Dimension.

Makes it easier to remember.

How is it that I am the one taking vicodin and you are the one writing Broken Bells lyrics?

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:26:50pm

re: #363 imp_62

How is it that I am the one taking vicodin and you are the one writing Broken Bells lyrics?

I don't have an answer for you.

365 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:26:52pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

In Pain.

I've had chronic muscle pain in my mid-upper back for the last few months. Nothing too terribly debilitating, but consistently noticeable. A few weeks ago the pain spread up into my shoulder, and down into my arm and chest. All on my dominant side.

It got so that spending more than fifteen minutes on the computer exacerbated the pain to the point that I might whimper, so I have been abstaining and occupying myself with more mundane tasks.

This abstinence has brought significant relief. It would seem that the minute and repetitive motions related to using a pc mouse have a significant stressor effect on my pained muscles, and might even be the cause of it.

geez. Logged back in just to say I'm so sorry! I hope it's over and done with.

366 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:27:19pm

re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

So are you.

THAT DOES IT.

You two get your own room or . . or . . .

I'm telling!

367 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:27:29pm

re: #308 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You respond to my posts, I respond to yours, that's the way it goes. There are multiple conversations going on, and you do not have any say in who and what I answer. Don't forget it.

You are being a dickhead. Get a grip. Your time on this board does not encompass years. Have some respect for your elders, here. Really. Tone it down. If you keep being a dickhead, you will be called out on each and every little slip. We all make them, but the vets on this board get some slack. You, not so much. Nicely, nicely makes for an acceptable, considerate Lizard, who becomes a valued member of our community.

368 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:27:39pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

geez. Logged back in just to say I'm so sorry! I hope it's over and done with.

:(

You never logged back in just for me!!!
{sniff}
//

369 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:28:20pm

re: #360 albusteve

well, see a lawyer, and make sure your neck is not healthy...you might hit the jackpot dude...there is that

I doubt there will be a lot of money. If I can get him to shell out for a lawyer and cover the lost hours of billing spent in the ER and the next few days when I won't be able to focus well, I will be happy.

Figures that when I finally get hit by a car, it's a landscaper in a truck and not a celeb in a DB5

370 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:28:35pm

re: #367 austin_blue

You are being a dickhead. Get a grip. Your time on this board does not encompass years. Have some respect for your elders, here. Really. Tone it down. If you keep being a dickhead, you will be called out on each and every little slip. We all make them, but the vets on this board get some slack. You, not so much. Nicely, nicely makes for an acceptable, considerate Lizard, who becomes a valued member of our community.

Yo, who you calling an "elder"?

371 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:28:38pm

re: #367 austin_blue

Standing O, sir

372 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:29:06pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

:(

You never logged back in just for me!!!
{sniff}
//

Well, satt - I mean - really, now.
Get a grip.

373 Lidane  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:29:09pm

re: #306 austin_blue

For fuck's sake! It was 105 today! That's killing hot!

Seriously. It's the kind of heat you feel in your bones. Speaking of which, I think this thread deserves a music break:

Youtube Video
374 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:29:36pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

Well, satt - I mean - really, now.
Get a grip.

in public!?!?!

375 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:29:52pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

The best trolling is a fine art. :B

376 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:30:01pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

in public!?!?!

You are so bad.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:30:09pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

in public!?!?!

NO, you get your own room (or closet) too!

378 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:30:36pm

re: #377 ggt

NO, you get your own room (or closet) too!

Okay ,, umm,, can you pass me that National Geographic please!

379 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:30:47pm

re: #366 ggt

Feh, I'm not his type.

380 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:05pm

re: #376 reine.de.tout

You are so bad.

How do you think I feel? I have to be with me 24/7!!!

381 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:14pm

re: #370 reine.de.tout

Yo, who you calling an "elder"?

*pulls forelock*

My queen, if I have offended your grace, I most humbly apologize.

382 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:21pm

re: #347 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How nice of you to ask.

I like the people I've met here. Why do you post here? I've told you honestly, would you tell me?

Sorry, Chrome died on me. I like the people too. I also like the American perspective. I'm Canadian, and it really seems like up here we have one set of tools socially/politically and the states has another. Not to overly generalize but the Canadian right really does tend to be to the left of the democrats. I'm left wing by Canadian standards, so before posting here the American Right really was something I feared but knew little about.

Expands my social horizons and all that.

383 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:26pm

re: #378 sattv4u2

Okay ,, umm,, can you pass me that National Geographic please!

Get your own.

384 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:46pm

re: #320 ggt

I use it to get a good night's sleep when I have pain. Never take it during the day. Or for more than 2-3 nights in a row.

If I can't deal with the pain after 3 days and 3 good night's sleep, something is seriously wrong and I need to go to the hospital.

scary shit!

and I LIKE IT!

quality sleep is profound in healing, like diet etc...but enough vicodin to kill the pain reasonably disrupts my sleep...I don't get the deep REMs and end up even more rundown...after 18months, I was pretty fucked up, caught in a cycle I could not escape

385 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:51pm

re: #371 sattv4u2

Standing O, sir

*blushes*

386 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:31:52pm

re: #383 ggt

Get your own.

Thats the whole point !!!!

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:32:16pm

re: #384 albusteve

quality sleep is profound in healing, like diet etc...but enough vicodin to kill the pain reasonably disrupts my sleep...I don't get the deep REMs and end up even more rundown...after 18months, I was pretty fucked up, caught in a cycle I could not escape

Wow, is that a result of long-term use?

388 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:32:31pm

re: #385 austin_blue

*blushes*

we don't agree on much from what I can tell, but that was well stated

389 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:32:39pm

Ah, I see it's time for "LGF: After Dark."

390 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:33:07pm

re: #382 McSpiff

Sorry, Chrome died on me. I like the people too. I also like the American perspective. I'm Canadian, and it really seems like up here we have one set of tools socially/politically and the states has another. Not to overly generalize but the Canadian right really does tend to be to the left of the democrats. I'm left wing by Canadian standards, so before posting here the American Right really was something I feared but knew little about.

Expands my social horizons and all that.

Canadians - the other Americans..

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:33:12pm

re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, I see it's time for "LGF: After Dark."

It's gritty time!

392 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:33:38pm

re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, I see it's time for "LGF: After Dark."

Which is like MSTK 3000 without the robots.

393 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:34:06pm

re: #367 austin_blue

You are being a dickhead. Get a grip. Your time on this board does not encompass years. Have some respect for your elders, here. Really. Tone it down. If you keep being a dickhead, you will be called out on each and every little slip. We all make them, but the vets on this board get some slack. You, not so much. Nicely, nicely makes for an acceptable, considerate Lizard, who becomes a valued member of our community.

Quite Concur.

OCSP, you seriously need to cut back on the hostility. No one here is trying to persecute you, nor do we think ourselves victimized by you. But you are new here, so you don't get the same amount of slack as people who have been here for 4 years. Ease up a bit, and take the time to get to know people. That's how you get along at LGF.

394 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:34:17pm

re: #392 imp_62

Which is like MSTK 3000 without the robots.

No Tom Servo? Screw this, I've got better things to be doing!

*Slams the door on his way out*

/

395 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:34:50pm

re: #369 imp_62

I doubt there will be a lot of money. If I can get him to shell out for a lawyer and cover the lost hours of billing spent in the ER and the next few days when I won't be able to focus well, I will be happy.

Figures that when I finally get hit by a car, it's a landscaper in a truck and not a celeb in a DB5

I always dreamed of getting run over by Elvis....yeah baby!

396 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:35:08pm

re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, I see it's time for "LGF: After Dark."

Sorry, I'm still here. ;)

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:35:20pm

re: #395 albusteve

I always dreamed of getting run over by Elvis...yeah baby!

Elvis is dead.

398 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:35:28pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

we don't agree on much from what I can tell, but that was well stated

I agree.
Well, except for the whole "elder" part.
harrumph.

399 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:35:39pm

re: #395 albusteve

I always dreamed of getting run over by Elvis...yeah baby!

There is some serious psychology going on there.

Why not Ann Margaret?

400 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:35:46pm

re: #390 imp_62

Canadians - the other Americans..

In some ways. In others the difference in political and social institutions has lead to some large culturally difference. Abortion and gay marriage were decided and the country moved on. Campaigning on a platform against either would be political suicide(for the most part). Its interesting to examine the why behind that difference.

401 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:35:53pm

re: #395 albusteve

I always dreamed of getting run over by Elvis...yeah baby!

I'll put an Elvis bobblehead on my dashboard and take a run at you. is that close enough??

402 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:36:16pm

re: #367 austin_blue

Have some respect for your elders, here. Really. Tone it down.

When presented with an argument, I'll respond back. The issue tonight has nothing to do with start dates or time on the board - scroll up and you will see.

403 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:36:21pm

re: #370 reine.de.tout

Yo, who you calling an "elder"?

Cato is a lot younger than me...weird
Cato the Elder

404 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:36:24pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

I agree.
Well, except for the whole "elder" part.
harrumph.

I wish I could, but at my age, I can't!

:(

405 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:36:30pm

re: #397 ggt

Elvis is dead.

Elvis isn't dead, he just went home.

406 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:36:49pm

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I'm still here. ;)

Youtube Video
407 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:37:07pm

re: #403 albusteve

Cato is a lot younger than me...weird
Cato the Elder

He's younger than I am as well.
Seems odd.

408 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:37:22pm

re: #405 laZardo

Elvis isn't dead, he just went home.

Oh yeah, I forgot

duh.

409 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:37:25pm

re: #400 McSpiff

In some ways. In others the difference in political and social institutions has lead to some large culturally difference. Abortion and gay marriage were decided and the country moved on. Campaigning on a platform against either would be political suicide(for the most part). Its interesting to examine the why behind that difference.

Dude. I was comparing you to pork, not making a political statement...
///

I,m partly furrin myself, so jk of course!

410 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:37:35pm

re: #407 reine.de.tout

He's younger than I am as well.
Seems odd.

Not me

Seems sad!!

:(

411 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:37:44pm

re: #407 reine.de.tout

He's younger than I am as well.
Seems odd.

But he is older than Cato the Younger.

412 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:38:03pm

re: #399 EmmmieG

There is some serious psychology going on there.

Why not Ann Margaret?

Why would Steve care if Ann Margret got run over by Elvis??

413 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:38:06pm

re: #409 imp_62

Dude. I was comparing you to pork, not making a political statement...
///

I,m partly furrin myself, so jk of course!

What part of you is furrin? Or do I want to know?

414 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:38:14pm

re: #409 imp_62

Dude. I was comparing you to pork, not making a political statement...
///

I,m partly furrin myself, so jk of course!

Sorry, after a night of snark I figured I should make at least a couple posts relevant to the topic. Totally ruined your joke for it ;-)

415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:38:36pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

What part of you is furrin? Or do I want to know?

is the furrin party furrie?

416 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:39:04pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

What part of you is furrin? Or do I want to know?

of course, imp, in your current state, maybe I shouldn't be asking questions.

417 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:39:43pm

re: #387 ggt

Wow, is that a result of long-term use?

yeah, what a mess...but that was then...I finally kicked the oxy last spring and have been fine since...but it was a trip

418 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:39:49pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

What part of you is furrin? Or do I want to know?

The Swiss part descended of many centuries of very Germanic Jews. It's a difficult combo to live with. Ask Dr. imp...

419 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:40:02pm

re: #416 reine.de.tout

of course, imp, in your current state, maybe I shouldn't be asking questions.

Oh, no, keep askin'. He might tell us his Swiss Bank Account numbers.

420 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:40:28pm

re: #417 albusteve

yeah, what a mess...but that was then...I finally kicked the oxy last spring and have been fine since...but it was a trip

Oxy didn't do a thing for me. Pain or enjoyment wise.

Kinda a bummer, I was really in pain too!

421 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:40:39pm

re: #405 laZardo

Elvis isn't dead, he just went home.

Thank you, Agent K. Now would you please terminate Michelle Bachmann's residency permit for Earth and send her back to whichever fucked-up planet she's actually from?

/MiB riff

422 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:40:53pm

re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, I see it's time for "LGF: After Dark."

good one
back in old days....

423 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:41:00pm

re: #382 McSpiff

Sorry, Chrome died on me. I like the people too. I also like the American perspective. I'm Canadian, and it really seems like up here we have one set of tools socially/politically and the states has another. Not to overly generalize but the Canadian right really does tend to be to the left of the democrats. I'm left wing by Canadian standards, so before posting here the American Right really was something I feared but knew little about.

Expands my social horizons and all that.

Ok well. that is interesting; thanks for the candid answer. Fwiu, you're right about the Canadian right. The rwnj here are, well, uh, exceptionally American...with all due innuendoes, realities, insults, etc.

My exp is somewhat the 180 opposite - I grew up on the Christian (Charismatic/Pentecostal/NAR) rightwing, so I know it quite well and consequently have zero fear of them. I find it to actually be the other way around.

424 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:41:08pm

re: #418 imp_62

The Swiss part descended of many centuries of very Germanic Jews. It's a difficult combo to live with. Ask Dr. imp...

We waited for parts of the Cat Overlord to descend too! Never happened.

425 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:41:08pm

re: #420 ggt

Oxy didn't do a thing for me. Pain or enjoyment wise.

Kinda a bummer, I was really in pain too!

The Roi tells me it doesn't help his pain; but it does change his attitude about it.

426 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:41:17pm

re: #422 albusteve

good one
back in old days...

The things I've seen a giraffe do here...

427 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:41:18pm

re: #420 ggt

Oxy didn't do a thing for me. Pain or enjoyment wise.

Kinda a bummer, I was really in pain too!

"in" pain

or "into" pain?!?!?

:)

428 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:41:50pm

re: #412 imp_62

Why would Steve care if Ann Margret got run over by Elvis??

Because he's a big fan of "Bye Bye, Birdie"?

//

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:42:22pm

re: #427 sattv4u2

"in" pain

or "into" pain?!?!?

:)

If I were "into" paid, I wouldn't be taking a pain killer.

Now would I?

430 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:42:30pm

re: #424 ggt

That went over my head...

431 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:42:34pm

re: #426 McSpiff

The things I've seen a giraffe do here...

Aren't legal in 22 states?

/

432 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:42:51pm

When did Ann-Margret get run over by Elvis?

433 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:43:03pm

re: #429 ggt

If I were "into" paid, I wouldn't be taking a pain killer.

Now would I?

Sorry,, nobody told me there was going to be math

434 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:43:17pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

When did Ann-Margret get run over by Elvis?

I think it was just a joke.

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:43:29pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

The Roi tells me it doesn't help his pain; but it does change his attitude about it.

Didn't do anything.

Vicodin just makes me happy and I sleep well. I still feel the pain, but it doesn't bother me so much.

436 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:43:46pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

When did Ann-Margret get run over by Elvis?

On the grassy knoll?

437 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:43:48pm

re: #397 ggt

Elvis is dead.

WHAT???

438 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:44:12pm

re: #423 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ok well. that is interesting; thanks for the candid answer. Fwiu, you're right about the Canadian right. The rwnj here are, well, uh, exceptionally American...with all due innuendoes, realities, insults, etc.

My exp is somewhat the 180 opposite - I grew up on the Christian (Charismatic/Pentecostal/NAR) rightwing, so I know it quite well and consequently have zero fear of them. I find it to actually be the other way around.

The left here took a big hit with Harper. This was a man so in love with the American Right that he published a public apology to them for Canada not going to Iraq when he was in Opposition. Figured know your enemy and all that, and if Harper wanted to emulate the American Right I should try and figure out why its been successful and how to hold it back here.

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:44:22pm

What about JFK and Amelia Earhart?

440 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:44:36pm

re: #397 ggt

Elvis is dead.

How long have you been sitting on this information?

441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:44:50pm

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

No one here is trying to persecute you,

DF, I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.

If I ever felt "persecuted" here, I would not post here. Period. Nothing in my posts indicates any "persecuted" sentiment. Where do you guys even get this from?

I really hope I don't have to restate this.

442 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:44:52pm

re: #435 ggt

Didn't do anything.

Vicodin just makes me happy and I sleep well. I still feel the pain, but it doesn't bother me so much.

I suspect that's what the Roi meant.

443 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:45:03pm

re: #436 imp_62

On the grassy knoll?

NO, they have to get a room!

444 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:45:30pm

re: #439 ggt

What about JFK and Amelia Earhart?

Hadn't heard about them

Now, JFK and Marylin Monroe ,,,,

445 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:45:45pm

re: #402 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

When presented with an argument, I'll respond back. The issue tonight has nothing to do with start dates or time on the board - scroll up and you will see.

scroll up and people will see what an ass you have been...start with 32, 69, 96, 125, 142....pretty obvious, just to be fair

446 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:45:55pm

re: #441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

DF, I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.

If I ever felt "persecuted" here, I would not post here. Period. Nothing in my posts indicates any "persecuted" sentiment. Where do you guys even get this from?

I really hope I don't have to restate this.

You give that impression in a lot of your posts. A lot of stuff about people trying to bend you to their will, etc.

447 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:46:25pm

re: #399 EmmmieG

There is some serious psychology going on there.

Why not Ann Margaret?

red heads frighten me
it's true

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:46:44pm

re: #440 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How long have you been sitting on this information?

I was wrong, he just went home.

I forgot, but was reminded by laZardo #405.

449 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:47:10pm

re: #446 McSpiff

You give that impression in a lot of your posts. A lot of stuff about people trying to bend you to their will, etc.

Hmmm. Is this a BDSM thread , now? Cause if it is, I have to change and my good leather is at the dry cleaner.

450 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:47:14pm

re: #447 albusteve

red heads frighten me
it's true

Glad to know that!

451 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:47:28pm

re: #447 albusteve

red heads frighten me
it's true

I married one. Your fear is justified.

452 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:47:36pm

re: #441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Where do you guys even get this from?

The tonality and little shots at the end of most of your posts

Told you the other day, several times, it does seem as if you have a chip on your shoulder. Apparently, I'm not the only one noticing

453 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:48:09pm

re: #407 reine.de.tout

He's younger than I am as well.
Seems odd.

he's a hoot tho...I miss him
he posted the zaniest stuff ever...he loved big words, flowery lingo and drama...sorely missed

454 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:48:38pm

re: #453 albusteve

he's a hoot tho...I miss him
he posted the zaniest stuff ever...he loved big words, flowery lingo and drama...sorely missed

ditto

455 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:49:09pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

When did Ann-Margret get run over by Elvis?

bada boom!

456 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:49:24pm

re: #453 albusteve

he's a hoot tho...I miss him
he posted the zaniest stuff ever...he loved big words, flowery lingo and drama...sorely missed

Funny. I had forgotten about him. Good poster.

457 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:50:43pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

we don't agree on much from what I can tell, but that was well stated

Actually if we met at the Varsity and ordered burgers and beers, I think we would find that we have much in common. What is good about this board, at its best, is that we can discuss public policy without degenerating to the flame wars seen so often elsewhere. I *like* the people who disagree with me, because they make me rethink my positions. I may end up supporting my original position, or a I may modify it based on new info.

It's a good thing. It's nice here. It's not chaos. We need to continue to be respectful of each other, even when we disagree. Facts. Science. Respect.

458 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:50:53pm

re: #438 McSpiff

The left here took a big hit with Harper. This was a man so in love with the American Right that he published a public apology to them for Canada not going to Iraq when he was in Opposition. Figured know your enemy and all that, and if Harper wanted to emulate the American Right I should try and figure out why its been successful and how to hold it back here.

Lol well if you do figure it out, give your American friends some pointers, willya?

Seriously, though, I have met a few Canadians (online) in recent years, exactly in your same boat. One in particular started out as an adversary and ended up a very good friend, as so many people I happen to meet online do. But she was seriously freaked out by Bush and co and of course Harper's rise.

I was like, look, we have been beating these people and their encroachments back for generations, with some pretty significant successes. Bush, ugh..Harper, ugh...we just have to keep working on what we have always worked on, damn the rest.

Now, Obama's been in for 3 years, who knows what will happen in 2012. But whatever comes of it will never stop the work. This is why they despise us, and why they don't scare me.

459 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:51:24pm

found Elvis!
crank it....
hi mom!

Youtube Video
460 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:51:44pm

reine, if you are still here I will tell you a funny story.

461 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:52:20pm

re: #457 austin_blue

Actually if we met at the Varsity and ordered burgers and beers, I think we would find that we have much in common. What is good about this board, at its best, is that we can discuss public policy without degenerating to the flame wars seen so often elsewhere. I *like* the people who disagree with me, because they make me rethink my positions. I may end up supporting my original position, or a I may modify it based on new info.

It's a good thing. It's nice here. It's not chaos. We need to continue to be respectful of each other, even when we disagree. Facts. Science. Respect.

agreed,,, AND ,, 1st batch of food and beers will be on me

462 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:52:22pm

re: #460 imp_62

reine, if you are still here I will tell you a funny story.

Only Reine?

*pouts*

463 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:52:35pm

THE 5th Dimension is still out there.

464 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:52:47pm

re: #441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

DF, I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.

If I ever felt "persecuted" here, I would not post here. Period. Nothing in my posts indicates any "persecuted" sentiment. Where do you guys even get this from?

I really hope I don't have to restate this.

I don't believe you...you are persecuted, mainly by yourself...
you are out of touch

465 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:53:09pm

re: #446 McSpiff

You give that impression in a lot of your posts. A lot of stuff about people trying to bend you to their will, etc.

I don't remember using that terminology at all.

But as I have been lectured that I cannot keep self-appointed advocates from "helping" me in all my need, I also have no control over people's perceptions of what I say. Some may have the impression you say, others don't, at the end of the day, I don't see where what I say matters at all.

466 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:53:19pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

Have you seen your doctor about it?

That wouldn't be very Stoic of me, now would it?
/

No, I haven't. I suppose I should see somebody. I was thinking of hitting up a cheap masseuse, but there have been a lot of reports lately on local "massage parlors" that specialize in "happy endings".

It would be just my luck to run into nothing but shady businesses when all I really want is a legit massage.

re: #352 sattv4u2

pinched nerve in the back? (I'm going through a similar issue, and many of your symptoms are what I've been experiencing)

OH DEAR GRAVEL!!! Don't tell me that.
//

Worth considering, though...

re: #356 ggt

Welcome to my world! I sit on the balance ball at the computer --helps much!

That's my other problem, I think. I don't exercise as much as I used to. I don't exercise at all, really. Too much mousing and not enough resistance training.

re: #355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sorry to hear about the pain - sounds awful. I thought it might have been about the news about Breivik - I remember you were getting depressed about it.

It sucks, but it's manageable. On the up side, I have a higher than average resistance to pain. On the down side, I have a much higher than average resistance to pain relief medications, so I don't even bother. Alcohol helps, but that is not a viable, long term solution.

re: #357 imp_62

That might be a good alternative, but I just don't have the money to spend right now. Plus, they suck for gaming, which is really my big addiction when it comes to pc mousing. And I've been jonesing for some Civ IV. :sigh:

Anyway, thanks to all for the well wishes, and if I've missed responding to anybody I apologize. I've missed chatting with you scaly fuckers, and it seems that I must continue to do so for the time being.

467 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:53:41pm

re: #461 sattv4u2

agreed,,, AND ,, 1st batch of food and beers will be on me

I am really curious about many of the regulars here. I think an evening out at a good pub would be a great thing, but I wonder about the loss of anonymity.

468 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:54:56pm

re: #467 imp_62

I am really curious about many of the regulars here. I think an evening out at a good pub would be a great thing, but I wonder about the loss of anonymity.

Okay ,, but I ain't buying for EVERYONE!! !

469 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:55:07pm

re: #467 imp_62

I am really curious about many of the regulars here. I think an evening out at a good pub would be a great thing, but I wonder about the loss of anonymity.

There used to be Lizard Gatherings.

I missed the one in Chicago. I'm way too far out West to get to the City that often.

470 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:55:21pm

re: #456 imp_62

Funny. I had forgotten about him. Good poster.

he's around...I've been playing phone tag with him this past week or more

471 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:56:17pm

re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth

That wouldn't be very Stoic of me, now would it?
/

No, I haven't. I suppose I should see somebody. I was thinking of hitting up a cheap masseuse, but there have been a lot of reports lately on local "massage parlors" that specialize in "happy endings".

It would be just my luck to run into nothing but shady businesses when all I really want is a legit massage.

See your doctor. Before it gets worse. Pain like yours can usually be treated.

472 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:56:19pm

re: #469 ggt

There used to be Lizard Gatherings.

I missed the one in Chicago. I'm way too far out West to get to the City that often.

Plus you're usually planning on napping

473 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:56:47pm

re: #462 EmmmieG

Only Reine?

*pouts*

She had asked about my "furrin" side, and I fessed to being Swiss of German descent (Jewish, though). Here is the story
Early in our marriage, my wife thought it would be sexy if I used a foreign accent in bed (being eurotrash and all). I complied, but all I can do is Pepe Lepew or Colonel Klink. It came out Klink, since my native tongue is German.

She never requested "foreign accent" time again...

474 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:56:54pm

Gaddafi's African 'mercenaries' leaving Libya

Amid reports that some of the former pro-Gaddafi forces had been summarily executed, many have been crossing into Mali and Niger.

Some 60 vehicles are reported to have driven over the Libyan border into Niger, only to be impounded in the town of Agadez.

They have come home bearing what they could bring with them: a helicopter in parts is said to have been on board one truck.

Many were recruited from among the former Tuareg rebels, some 4,000 of whom were unemployed after a peace deal ended their rebellion in 2009.

A similar report was carried by the French magazine, Jeune Afrique, which said a column of 10 trucks crossed into Mali.

Last March, the BBC spoke to officials in Mali who said the Tuareg were being paid $10,000 to join the Libya government forces and a further $1,000 (£613) a day to fight.

475 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:57:23pm

re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth

pinched nerve in the back? (I'm going through a similar issue, and many of your symptoms are what I've been experiencing)

OH DEAR GRAVEL!!! Don't tell me that.

Not that bad, once I had it diagnosed

Started treatment 2 weeks ago and I can already feel a difference

476 3CPO  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:57:41pm

re: #447 albusteve

Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.

477 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:57:42pm

re: #469 ggt

There used to be Lizard Gatherings.

I missed the one in Chicago. I'm way too far out West to get to the City that often.

I am often in NYC and D.C. Maybe it would be fun to get something together..

478 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:57:43pm

re: #452 sattv4u2

Where do you guys even get this from?

The tonality and little shots at the end of most of your posts

Told you the other day, several times, it does seem as if you have a chip on your shoulder. Apparently, I'm not the only one noticing

Eh, "chip on your shoulder" is just an ages-old socon butthurt cliché against people who don't adjust to their comfort levels. So I'm not sure why you think I'd ever take it seriously.

You ran away in the middle of our conversation about segregation academies, and state accreditation.

Would you like to continue it? It's totally up to you, I can go either way.

479 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:57:44pm

re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth

That wouldn't be very Stoic of me, now would it?
/

No, I haven't. I suppose I should see somebody. I was thinking of hitting up a cheap masseuse, but there have been a lot of reports lately on local "massage parlors" that specialize in "happy endings".

It would be just my luck to run into nothing but shady businesses when all I really want is a legit massage.

re: #352 sattv4u2

OH DEAR GRAVEL!!! Don't tell me that.
//

Worth considering, though...

re: #356 ggt

That's my other problem, I think. I don't exercise as much as I used to. I don't exercise at all, really. Too much mousing and not enough resistance training.

re: #355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It sucks, but it's manageable. On the up side, I have a higher than average resistance to pain. On the down side, I have a much higher than average resistance to pain relief medications, so I don't even bother. Alcohol helps, but that is not a viable, long term solution.

re: #357 imp_62

That might be a good alternative, but I just don't have the money to spend right now. Plus, they suck for gaming, which is really my big addiction when it comes to pc mousing. And I've been jonesing for some Civ IV. :sigh:

Anyway, thanks to all for the well wishes, and if I've missed responding to anybody I apologize. I've missed chatting with you scaly fuckers, and it seems that I must continue to do so for the time being.

I have spine/rib issues --the bones like to move around and they pinch nerves. Repetitive movements the worst. I find simple breathing exercizes (since you are not working-out) and stretching exercises help. Sitting on the balance ball forces me to keep good posture which is also a big help

Find a good Nazi (Deep Tissue, athletic) massage therapist and get a LEGAL massage. That works wonders.

I've been in PT off and on for years for this stuff. I could write essays.

480 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:58:30pm

re: #472 sattv4u2

Plus you're usually planning on napping

I would need one after the long drive in Chicago Traffic.

481 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:58:35pm

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:58:46pm

re: #464 albusteve

I don't believe you...

Yeah but the stuff you say isn't believable, yourself.

483 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:58:53pm

re: #461 sattv4u2

agreed,,, AND ,, 1st batch of food and beers will be on me

Sweet!

484 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:59:23pm

re: #474 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gaddafi's African 'mercenaries' leaving Libya

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

485 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 9:59:33pm

re: #457 austin_blue

Actually if we met at the Varsity and ordered burgers and beers, I think we would find that we have much in common. What is good about this board, at its best, is that we can discuss public policy without degenerating to the flame wars seen so often elsewhere. I *like* the people who disagree with me, because they make me rethink my positions. I may end up supporting my original position, or a I may modify it based on new info.

It's a good thing. It's nice here. It's not chaos. We need to continue to be respectful of each other, even when we disagree. Facts. Science. Respect.

Bingo bingo bingo.
Everything you said.

486 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:00:02pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

Or maybe they haven't been getting paid?

487 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:00:14pm

re: #460 imp_62

reine, if you are still here I will tell you a funny story.

OOOH, I'm here. Looking forward to a funny story!

488 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:01:03pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

The lawyer.

489 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:01:10pm

re: #464 albusteve

I don't believe you...you are persecuted, mainly by yourself...
you are out of touch

Harsh. Unnecessary. Bad Steve.

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:01:12pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

People fired, and more than that, an overhaul of the system to figure out how to avoid another such instance. I'm sure they have a stash for lawsuits, that won't faze them, but being made to get their act together may.

491 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:01:15pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

Sometimes law suits are the only way to encourage corrective action by the state. It might not be about the money, and firing people does not necessarily bring about organizational change.

492 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:01:45pm

re: #478 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Eh, "chip on your shoulder" is just an ages-old socon butthurt cliché against people who don't adjust to their comfort levels. So I'm not sure why you think I'd ever take it seriously.

You ran away in the middle of our conversation about segregation academies, and state accreditation.

Would you like to continue it? It's totally up to you, I can go either way.

Thanks for proving my point

As far as "running away",, did you ever consider I may have been,,,,oh , at work , ,and busy ,, as I clearly stated???

As for your "argument",, you really want to hang your hat on

In recent years, as social patterns in United States have changed, many of these private schools began to admit minority students or ceased to exist.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

493 justaminute  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:01:55pm

re: #395 albusteve

I always dreamed of getting run over by Elvis...yeah baby!

I almost ran over Elvis!

I was driving in downtown Oklahoma City when I was 17 and I was turning on a one way street and I looked to my left and didn't look right because it was a one way street. Out I go and came 2 inches from this white stretch limo, I slammed on my brakes and the limo slowly passes and the back window came down and there's Elvis blowing me a kiss! I was so glad my best friend was with me because who would believe it. He was here doing a concert. Maybe if I hit the limo I could have got a concert ticket?

494 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:02:27pm

re: #482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but the stuff you say isn't believable, yourself.

a lot of it isn't supposed to be...duh?

495 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:02:31pm

re: #473 imp_62

She had asked about my "furrin" side, and I fessed to being Swiss of German descent (Jewish, though). Here is the story
Early in our marriage, my wife thought it would be sexy if I used a foreign accent in bed (being eurotrash and all). I complied, but all I can do is Pepe Lepew or Colonel Klink. It came out Klink, since my native tongue is German.

She never requested "foreign accent" time again...

ROFL!
I LOVE that story.
Seriously - I think you should try out the Pepe Lepew.

496 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:02:37pm

re: #487 reine.de.tout

OOOH, I'm here. Looking forward to a funny story!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

497 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:03:30pm

re: #491 imp_62

Sometimes law suits are the only way to encourage corrective action by the state. It might not be about the money, and firing people does not necessarily bring about organizational change.

Some really straight thinking there, vicodin and all.

498 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:03:36pm

re: #486 ggt

Or maybe they haven't been getting paid?

That two. But the sorts of mercenaries Gaddafi employed are mostly the kinds who would desert a loser as well.

499 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:04:02pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

events over there have not changed in 300 years...same idea, better arms

500 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:04:35pm

re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist

Hello! My favourite reluctant teacher is in the room :)

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:04:50pm

re: #499 albusteve

events over there have not changed in 300 years...same idea, better arms

Longer than that. Jugertha and Rome and all!

502 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:05:33pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

Some really straight thinking there, vicodin and all.

It's wearing off :( and a second helping would smack of loss of self control. My ancestors will not countenance such weakness.

503 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:06:13pm

re: #502 imp_62

It's wearing off :( and a second helping would smack of loss of self control. My ancestors will not countenance such weakness.

You can have 1 every four hours if you are TRULY in pain.

504 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:06:38pm

ONE MORE THING...

Before I split, I should point something out.

Someone finally had the good sense to make a movie about me, but for some odd reason they decided to make me look like a jerk. :sigh:

Youtube Video

Hollywood assholes! :(

505 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:06:41pm

re: #502 imp_62

It's wearing off :( and a second helping would smack of loss of self control. My ancestors will not countenance such weakness.

Oh, please.

If the pioneers had had painkilling drugs, they would have taken them, too.

506 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:06:59pm

re: #445 albusteve

scroll up and people will see what an ass you have been...start with 32, 69, 96, 125, 142...pretty obvious, just to be fair

Lol look who's counting.

This whole thing started because you had some reaction to a simple q. on what you thought of the ruling in the OP.

507 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:08:20pm

re: #493 justaminute

I almost ran over Elvis!

I was driving in downtown Oklahoma City when I was 17 and I was turning on a one way street and I looked to my left and didn't look right because it was a one way street. Out I go and came 2 inches from this white stretch limo, I slammed on my brakes and the limo slowly passes and the back window came down and there's Elvis blowing me a kiss! I was so glad my best friend was with me because who would believe it. He was here doing a concert. Maybe if I hit the limo I could have got a concert ticket?

my older sister has most of a scarf he tossed at the end of a show in Kalamazoo...there is a corner torn off from a grabber that my sis probably knocked out...it's pretty cool, like an icon, better than a rib bone of St John

508 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:08:28pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

Here's one of the problems with those social worker jobs.

People last about 2 years. Then they burn out. It's that crushing of a job. People burn out in 2 years.

So agencies are always understaffed (because they keep losing people), and they have little in the way of any depth of experience (because few stay longer than 2 or 3 years). And the employees who are there, end up with caseloads much bigger than any one person should be expected to handle, because - the agency is understaffed.

I'm not excusing the agency's lack of action, or the employees who failed to check things out. But somehow, states need to figure a way to keep people from burning out . . .

509 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:08:37pm

re: #503 ggt

You can have 1 every four hours if you are TRULY in pain.

It's kinda hard to define "pain". What I feel now would keep me awake, but I am awake anyway. I feel like I missed my window while it was working for about an hour.

510 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:09:26pm

re: #508 reine.de.tout

Here's one of the problems with those social worker jobs.

People last about 2 years. Then they burn out. It's that crushing of a job. People burn out in 2 years.

So agencies are always understaffed (because they keep losing people), and they have little in the way of any depth of experience (because few stay longer than 2 or 3 years). And the employees who are there, end up with caseloads much bigger than any one person should be expected to handle, because - the agency is understaffed.

I'm not excusing the agency's lack of action, or the employees who failed to check things out. But somehow, states need to figure a way to keep people from burning out . . .

This I do not know. I just can't figure out what good a financial award would do.

511 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:09:41pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

Do you know what grounds the lawyer is asking for a monetary award for?

Oh, and on who's behalf.

512 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:09:43pm

Katia is coming now as well, I guess.

513 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:10:22pm

re: #511 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do you know what grounds the lawyer is asking for a monetary award for?

Oh, and on who's behalf.

He won't say. He's sued on behalf of bio families before when a child dies in state custody.

514 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:10:36pm

re: #509 imp_62

It's kinda hard to define "pain". What I feel now would keep me awake, but I am awake anyway. I feel like I missed my window while it was working for about an hour.

If you know they are wearing off --how? because you no longer feel giddy or because you feel more pain?

515 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:11:07pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Okay: Survey question.

A lawyer is suing the state because the social workers failed to check up on three tips that a girl was being abused. She was beaten and starved to death by her mother and stepfather. Dad lives out of state.

Should this happen? My chief thought here is who would get the money? I think that people should be fired, but I can't think of anyone who deserves a monetary award here.

{sigh}

Ah well,,,, as fun as this is, I'll have to BBL

I have an entire equipment rack to re-wire and test before the US ops starts in the morning so all the UK and European Lizards can watch it

Who is the lawyer suing on behalf of? What standing does he/she have in the case?

516 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:12:09pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

re: #515 sattv4u2

I'll check back later for your answer

517 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:12:10pm

Hopefully, it stays out to see.

518 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:12:14pm

re: #514 ggt

the pain is back. but it is not intolerable and i want to preserve the vicodin for daytime when I need to work.

519 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:12:32pm

re: #502 imp_62

It's wearing off :( and a second helping would smack of loss of self control. My ancestors will not countenance such weakness.

don't be too strict...if you don't block the pain early, then you are truly wasting the stuff...take it again when the pain expresses itself, fuck the time stamp

520 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:12:57pm

Social Work is a shit job.

I don't know how anyone handles it.

I have a friend who finally burned out as a Legal Advocate for children who were adjudicated dependent. She lasted about 10 years. She quit because she was having physical symptoms because of the work.

Higher Pay isn't going to keep people working and effective.

It's more of a calling than a job.

521 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:13:42pm

re: #518 imp_62

the pain is back. but it is not intolerable and i want to preserve the vicodin for daytime when I need to work.

you can't work if you don't sleep.

Do what you think is best, just don't double-up. Write down when you take it so you don't forget and take another.

(I've been known to do this)

522 justaminute  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:13:58pm

re: #507 albusteve

my older sister has most of a scarf he tossed at the end of a show in Kalamazoo...there is a corner torn off from a grabber that my sis probably knocked out...it's pretty cool, like an icon, better than a rib bone of St John

I couldn't believe it when it happened. That stretch limo was going the wrong way. I guess that's why he rolled the window down and blew my a kiss. When I got home to tell everyone what happened, my dad told me to bad I didn't hit the limo because he had paid big bucks for the concert the next night. I wonder why he thought I would give him those tickets? Ha Ha

523 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:14:04pm

re: #506 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol look who's counting.

This whole thing started because you had some reaction to a simple q. on what you thought of the ruling in the OP.

read the reaction and quit playing stupid...nobody here is falling for it

524 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:14:35pm

re: #492 sattv4u2

Thanks for proving my point

What point was that, that every spew out of your keyboard is by default correct?

Tell me another one.

As far as "running away",, did you ever consider I may have been,,,oh , at work , ,and busy ,, as I clearly stated???

As for your "argument",, you really want to hang your hat on

In recent years, as social patterns in United States have changed, many of these private schools began to admit minority students or ceased to exist.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I didn't make an "argument" to "hang my hat on", smart feller.

If they admit nonwhites its because they got the pants sued off their asses to do so.

At that point, they fail to be segregation academies, which is the point of the suits.

You still neglected the question (though you're getting closer), which was about them and state accreditation.

525 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:14:40pm

re: #515 sattv4u2

{sigh}

Ah well,,, as fun as this is, I'll have to BBL

I have an entire equipment rack to re-wire and test before the US ops OPEN starts in the morning so all the UK and European Lizards can watch it

Who is the lawyer suing on behalf of? What standing does he/she have in the case?

NOTE TO SELF

do NOT type while on a conference call

526 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:14:42pm

re: #519 albusteve

don't be too strict...if you don't block the pain early, then you are truly wasting the stuff...take it again when the pain expresses itself, fuck the time stamp

True.

527 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:15:26pm

re: #509 imp_62

It's kinda hard to define "pain". What I feel now would keep me awake, but I am awake anyway. I feel like I missed my window while it was working for about an hour.

when it hurts, take more...enough to block the pain...you are not in any danger

528 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:15:30pm

Must go and see the sandman. Goodnight.

529 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:15:31pm

re: #519 albusteve

re: #521 ggt

In a few minutes I will grab something and hit the sack. It's been a long day, but all my favourite lizards are here atm...

530 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:16:21pm

re: #525 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF

do NOT type while on a conference call

Addendum: make sure headset is on mute before making derogatory comments

531 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:17:22pm

re: #409 imp_62

Dude. I was comparing you to pork, not making a political statement...
///

I,m partly furrin myself, so jk of course!

You're partly furry? D:

/

532 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:18:30pm

re: #523 albusteve

read the reaction and quit playing stupid...nobody here is falling for it

I read your reaction and didn't agree with it. There was no reason for you to get defensive at all. None.

Don't ever purport to advocate for me either as a woman, or a gay.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:18:53pm

re: #513 EmmmieG

He won't say. He's sued on behalf of bio families before when a child dies in state custody.

The child's father is the only person I can think of, or grandparents.

534 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:19:05pm

re: #522 justaminute

I couldn't believe it when it happened. That stretch limo was going the wrong way. I guess that's why he rolled the window down and blew my a kiss. When I got home to tell everyone what happened, my dad told me to bad I didn't hit the limo because he had paid big bucks for the concert the next night. I wonder why he thought I would give him those tickets? Ha Ha

you coulda had a pink Cadillac!...but that's a hell of a memory

535 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:19:16pm

re: #530 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Addendum: make sure headset is on mute before making derogatory comments

Note to self: When typing a derogatory email about somebody, don't put their name in the "to" box.

536 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:19:47pm

The whole drama in this thread with OCSP reminds of the time I Godwin'd a discussion and refused to walk it back. I argued for hours and then I went off and sulked for a week or so. And then there was the time I had a bad day and fought with Obdicut, which earned me a -15 from Charles and another 1 week sulk fest.

You know, if you can't take it out on a bunch of strangers on the internet, what's left (other than vicodin and red wine)....
semi sarc///
But let's remember that everybody goes off the rails a bit sometimes and it can be hard to find a way back in to the conversation.

537 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:20:39pm

re: #531 laZardo

You're partly furry? D:

/

Funnily enough, it tales me a week to grow 5 o'clock shadow,

538 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:21:57pm

re: #524 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

short answer (because I have to go)
WTF do I (or anyone) care if a school that closed 60 years ago was accredited by the state or not? iirc (which I do) the discussion was about vouchers for private schools today that ARE state accredited

Straw Man Much?

AND ,, read your #524 when you're alone. Tell me theres no objectionable tonality (i.e. chippiness) to it

(ex: that every spew out of your keyboard,,,smart feller.)

539 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:22:15pm

re: #536 imp_62

The whole drama in this thread with OCSP reminds of the time I Godwin'd a discussion and refused to walk it back. I argued for hours and then I went off and sulked for a week or so. And then there was the time I had a bad day and fought with Obdicut, which earned me a -15 from Charles and another 1 week sulk fest.

You know, if you can't take it out on a bunch of strangers on the internet, what's left (other than vicodin and red wine)...
semi sarc///
But let's remember that everybody goes off the rails a bit sometimes and it can be hard to find a way back in to the conversation.

True, sometimes you just have to let it go, log-off and do something else.

540 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:22:51pm

At least I am not as bad as Walter, who is still standing outside grumbling and won't come back in to hang out with us.

541 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:23:25pm

re: #540 imp_62

At least I am not as bad as Walter, who is still standing outside grumbling and won't come back in to hang out with us.

I miss Walter.

542 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:23:34pm

Night all!

Time to grab some kip. But before that....

My Sister-in-law e-mailed me today, mentioning that she and her hubby, the original guitarist for Silly Wizard, had to light a fire in their house and wear jackets to walk their dogs to the Local, because of the cool.

Evil bitch.

Oh, wait, I must mention that she is a Texas girl who, like She Who Must Be Obeyed, is just joking while being totally compassionate to what we are experiencing in this drought.

If La Nina strengthens this fall, as the models are projecting, all of West Texas is going to run out of surface water. That's when we will start discussing the depopulation of West Texas. Fuck me. I'm going to be really busy.

543 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:24:14pm

re: #536 imp_62

Yeah, I hear you, imp.

It's kind of standard fare when one has my views (and my silly chosen screenname lol). There are a few convos going on that I've been in, in addition to the drama. It's cool.

544 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:24:47pm

re: #542 austin_blue

Night all!

Time to grab some kip. But before that...

My Sister-in-law e-mailed me today, mentioning that she and her hubby, the original guitarist for Silly Wizard, had to light a fire in their house and wear jackets to walk their dogs to the Local, because of the cool.

Evil bitch.

Oh, wait, I must mention that she is a Texas girl who, like She Who Must Be Obeyed, is just joking while being totally compassionate to what we are experiencing in this drought.

If La Nina strengthens this fall, as the models are projecting, all of West Texas is going to run out of surface water. That's when we will start discussing the depopulation of West Texas. Fuck me. I'm going to be really busy.

de-population of West Texas. Sounds like a constituency issue that could be very interesting!

Awful for the residents tho. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

have a great morning!

545 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:25:02pm

re: #532 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I read your reaction and didn't agree with it. There was no reason for you to get defensive at all. None.

Don't ever purport to advocate for me either as a woman, or a gay.

I have a reasonable history of defending women's and gay rights, by far the biggest problem I have with the GOP...which stems from their brazen theocratic leaning

this was my answer to your question...this is what makes you vindictive and hostile...this post is what offended you...go figure another strategy to bounce me...whatever your bitch is, it's not working...don't reply

546 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:25:08pm

re: #541 ggt

I miss Walter.

Yeah. Grumpy as he was, he was consistent in his opinions and sincere about his asocial preferences.

547 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:25:52pm

re: #543 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I hear you, imp.

It's kind of standard fare when one has my views (and my silly chosen screenname lol). There are a few convos going on that I've been in, in addition to the drama. It's cool.

I enjoy the conversations with you very much OCIHACOSP, it's the drama I can do without.

You have a lot to offer, sometimes I get the feeling you don't feel the same about us.

548 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:26:34pm

re: #546 imp_62

Yeah. Grumpy as he was, he was consistent in his opinions and sincere about his asocial preferences.

Walter is Walter.

Yet, it did have much to contribute.

549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:27:57pm

re: #538 sattv4u2

short answer (because I have to go)
WTF do I (or anyone) care if a school that closed 60 years ago was accredited by the state or not? iirc (which I do) the discussion was about vouchers for private schools today that ARE state accredited

Straw Man Much?

AND ,, read your #524 when you're alone. Tell me theres no objectionable tonality (i.e. chippiness) to it

(ex: that every spew out of your keyboard,,,smart feller.)

Mm, testy. There's plenty objectionable passages in this thread and it's not just my posts, smart feller.

Now go put on your big girl panties and deal with my "chippiness" and the big shoulder it rests upon, because I'm not altering anything I say just for you.

550 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:28:55pm

re: #546 imp_62

Yeah. Grumpy as he was, he was consistent in his opinions and sincere about his asocial preferences.

Walter was here in ABQ a few weeks ago...I'd never met him up front but he is a very laid back guy, does not have a word of diss for anybody...a class act all the way...he regrets nothing and resents nobody and I enjoyed his company

551 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:29:04pm

re: #543 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I hear you, imp.

It's kind of standard fare when one has my views (and my silly chosen screenname lol). There are a few convos going on that I've been in, in addition to the drama. It's cool.

The great thing - sincerely - about LGF is no matter how much you get the room against you, if you are sincere all will (eventually) be forgotten. People here thrive on debate, discussion, and yes, the occasional fight. But hey, we're family and that's ok.

552 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:29:12pm

I have to go to sleep. I have a full day tomorrow and won't have a chance to nap.

Have a great one all!

553 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:30:56pm

re: #550 albusteve

Walter was here in ABQ a few weeks ago...I'd never met him up front but he is a very laid back guy, does not have a word of diss for anybody...a class act all the way...he regrets nothing and resents nobody and I enjoyed his company

He is basically Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino

554 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:33:19pm

re: #517 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, it stays out to see.

I don't know why I typed this.

555 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:33:30pm

re: #545 albusteve

I have a reasonable history of defending women's and gay rights, by far the biggest problem I have with the GOP...which stems from their brazen theocratic leaning

this was my answer to your question...

blahblahbutthurt

...don't reply

LOL! Why shouldn't I reply? Says who?

For my own reasons, namely your own behavior and attitude, I already said I did not agree with that post. So what, some person did not agree with that post, move past it.

When you say stuff I agree with, you know it, also. That's the way it goes.

556 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:35:20pm

re: #553 imp_62

He is basically Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino

he's a big fit guy with a high voice and easy laugh...I really liked him, altho we talked for a few years prior...I met him in a hotel parking lot when he walked up looking like Jim Bridger, native clothes and jewelry, big floppy hat...and zero pretense...I submit anybody would dig Walter...he knows something about everything but doesn't press it

557 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:35:25pm

re: #554 Dark_Falcon

I don't know why I typed this.

Oh, good. I thought it was really deep and I just didn't get it. Like Bret Easton Ellis. Or Milan Kundera.

558 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:36:38pm

re: #556 albusteve

he's a big fit guy with a high voice and easy laugh...I really liked him, altho we talked for a few years prior...I met him in a hotel parking lot when he walked up looking like Jim Bridger, native clothes and jewelry, big floppy hat...and zero pretense...I submit anybody would dig Walter...he knows something about everything but doesn't press it

Dammit. I don' know anybody.

559 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:37:55pm

re: #555 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

LOL! Why shouldn't I reply? Says who?

For my own reasons, namely your own behavior and attitude, I already said I did not agree with that post. So what, some person did not agree with that post, move past it.

When you say stuff I agree with, you know it, also. That's the way it goes.

your behavior and attitude gripe is a flop...will you ever learn?
every post makes you look worse...go to bed

560 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:38:11pm

re: #551 imp_62

The great thing - sincerely - about LGF is no matter how much you get the room against you, if you are sincere all will (eventually) be forgotten. People here thrive on debate, discussion, and yes, the occasional fight. But hey, we're family and that's ok.

That's just why I enjoy it, I agree. In one thread: at each other's throats. In another, trading music videos and personal anecdotes. It's what I'm used to; challenge or discomfort doesn't bother me, to the consternation of some, I guess. To me, it's just a part of it.

561 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:39:40pm

re: #557 imp_62

Oh, good. I thought it was really deep and I just didn't get it. Like Bret Easton Ellis. Or Milan Kundera.

Yeah. I'm going to get to bed. Goodnight, all.

562 dell*nix  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:40:09pm

Chris Rea....Gonna Buy a hat

Youtube Video
563 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:40:20pm

re: #558 imp_62

Dammit. I don' know anybody.

I think my autographs are in sale this week...call my office, it's easy to know me

564 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:40:21pm

re: #559 albusteve

your behavior and attitude gripe is a flop...will you ever learn?
every post makes you look worse...go to bed

Don't like my posts? Just skip over them. Beyond that...can't help you with that issue, sorry.

565 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:41:54pm

With one week to go until the release of Space Marine, it seems an opportune time to discuss some of the background.

Adeptus Mechanicus

The Adeptus Mechanicus is a technological organisation, often known as the Priesthood of Mars. It holds a monopoly on technological knowledge in the Imperium. Their Forge Worlds turn out the Imperium's most powerful and advanced weaponry and equipment. The organisation's adepts, the Tech-priests, are vital in maintaining much of the Imperium's more technologically advanced equipment, not the least of which is the Emperor's life-sustaining Golden Throne.

566 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:43:08pm

re: #563 albusteve

I think my autographs are in sale this week...call my office, it's easy to know me

If I were anywhere near ABQ...

Youtube Video
567 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:43:50pm

re: #542 austin_blue

Night all!

Time to grab some kip. But before that...

My Sister-in-law e-mailed me today, mentioning that she and her hubby, the original guitarist for Silly Wizard, had to light a fire in their house and wear jackets to walk their dogs to the Local, because of the cool.

Evil bitch.

Oh, wait, I must mention that she is a Texas girl who, like She Who Must Be Obeyed, is just joking while being totally compassionate to what we are experiencing in this drought.

If La Nina strengthens this fall, as the models are projecting, all of West Texas is going to run out of surface water. That's when we will start discussing the depopulation of West Texas. Fuck me. I'm going to be really busy.

Ooooh, Silly Wizard!!

568 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:44:10pm

re: #565 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All of which for some strange reason reminds me that there should be a new Iain Banks out soon, I hope.

569 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:44:41pm

re: #566 imp_62

Mine mine mine! Down down down!

570 albusteve  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:44:45pm

re: #566 imp_62

If I were anywhere near ABQ...

[Video]

your welcome at the bunkhouse

571 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:45:57pm

re: #547 ggt

I enjoy the conversations with you very much OCIHACOSP, it's the drama I can do without.

You have a lot to offer, sometimes I get the feeling you don't feel the same about us.

Well thanks, ggt. Obviously, the feeling is mutual.

But if what's in bold was true, I just would not post here, period.

572 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:46:25pm

Bed time. Linking Bugs Bunny is a sign.

573 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:49:19pm

re: #547 ggt

You have a lot to offer, sometimes I get the feeling you don't feel the same about us.

That's actually how I feel, though that's all part of my charm. :3

574 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:49:25pm

re: #565 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

With one week to go until the release of Space Marine, it seems an opportune time to discuss some of the background.

Adeptus Mechanicus

With just ten weeks or so to go until the release of Skyrim, I really hope they hired voice actors this time. The "acting" in Oblivion was dreadful.

No, I don't know why I brought that up.

575 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:51:35pm

re: #573 laZardo

That's actually how I feel, though that's all part of my charm. :3

Aww, you don't think LGF has much to offer? That can't be true!

576 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:52:47pm

And tomorrow, we will discuss my strategy for getting my wife to think that a Fiat 500 is a great idea to replace the car our daughter took to college. Hint: It involve a lot of claiming that what I really want is a Vespa, but if she insists on a car...

577 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:53:32pm

Christopher Hitchens decides to weigh in on Rick Perry

578 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:55:21pm

re: #575 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's a nice place to vent, really. As for actual advice, well, that's different.

579 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:55:56pm

re: #576 imp_62

And tomorrow, we will discuss my strategy for getting my wife to think that a Fiat 500 is a great idea to replace the car our daughter took to college. Hint: It involve a lot of claiming that what I really want is a Vespa, but if she insists on a car...

My dad made sure there were tons of Vespa brochures and pictures around the house when he asked my grandmother about buying a bike. She agreed and he showed up at home that evening on a Triumph.

580 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:56:27pm

re: #578 laZardo

It's a nice place to vent, really. As for actual advice, well, that's different.

You mean that I should be skeptical about albusteve and ggt saying it is okay to eat handfuls of vicodin, as long as i keep notes about my consumption?

Preposterous.

581 shutdown  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:58:16pm

good night for realz.

582 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:01:35pm

Libya's interim leaders reject UN military personnel

Libya's deputy representative to the UN, Ibrahim Dabbashi, told the BBC that the situation in Libya was unique.

"They [the UN] put the possibility of deploying peacekeepers on the ground but in fact the Libyan crisis is a special case.

"It is not a civil war, it is not a conflict between two parties, it is the people who are defending themselves against the dictatorship."

However, Mr Martin said the UN did expect to be asked to help establish a police force.

"We don't now expect military observers to be requested," he said after a meeting of the UN Security Council.

"It's very clear that the Libyans want to avoid any kind of military deployment of the UN or others," he said.

583 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:08:06pm

re: #582 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Libya's interim leaders reject UN military personnel

Personally, I think that's the best decision they could make. The AU would press to have their troops join the peacekeepers so they could guard their interests now that Gaddafi is gone.

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:09:50pm

re: #580 imp_62

You mean that I should be skeptical about albusteve and ggt saying it is okay to eat handfuls of vicodin, as long as i keep notes about my consumption?

Preposterous.

Absolutely ridiculous. Keeping notes will just hinder you from really enjoying your handfuls of vicodin. Just remember how many handfuls you've had.

585 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:10:22pm

re: #584 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely ridiculous. Keeping notes will just hinder you from really enjoying your handfuls of vicodin. Just remember how many handfuls you've had.

I heard that in House's voice.

I'm sorry.

586 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:12:12pm

re: #583 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Personally, I think that's the best decision they could make. The AU would press to have their troops join the peacekeepers so they could guard their interests now that Gaddafi is gone.

Ok must say...I am still getting used to these words, and this concept. I'm not even Libyan or African, and it's a very good feeling.

587 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:18:20pm

re: #582 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still get the sinking feeling that Gaddafi's known crimes have essentially glossed over what the rebels may have done to, well, mercenaries both hired, forced and alleged.

588 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:20:04pm

re: #587 laZardo

I still get the sinking feeling that Gaddafi's crimes have essentially glossed over what the rebels may have done to, well, mercenaries both hired, forced and alleged.

A lot of bad stuff. Gaddafi is, well, scum. I just haven't seen much to reassure me that anyone better is coming in.

589 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:21:52pm

re: #587 laZardo

I still get the sinking feeling that Gaddafi's crimes have essentially glossed over what the rebels may have done to, well, mercenaries both hired, forced and alleged.

Given what they've lived under for decades, I'm thinking a little gloss might not be out of order.

590 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:26:51pm

IT'S SPELLED
G
A
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H
A
F
I
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:P

591 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:28:51pm

re: #590 Varek Raith

IT'S SPELLED
G
A
T
H
A
F
I
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:P

DAFFY!

592 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:32:41pm

re: #591 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY POST A HUNTING SEASON SIGN IN BENGHAZI

593 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:33:17pm

re: #587 laZardo

I still get the sinking feeling that Gaddafi's known crimes have essentially glossed over what the rebels may have done to, well, mercenaries both hired, forced and alleged.

Alleged, and targeted based solely on perceptions, I agree.

594 laZardo  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:37:36pm

This is how you teach children not to throw rocks at passing vehicles.

/If running them over doesn't work, that is.

//yeah, i saw that video and all the glorious photoshops from it.

595 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:40:04pm

re: #594 laZardo

This is how you teach children not to throw rocks at passing vehicles.

/If running them over doesn't work, that is.

//yeah, i saw that video and all the glorious photoshops from it.

That'll learn him!
/

596 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:48:32pm

Pat Buchanan Decries Lack Of Affirmative Action For ‘White Males’
Lol.

597 dell*nix  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:53:12pm

Chris Rea.....Stony Road

Youtube Video
598 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:59:59pm

re: #596 Varek Raith

Lol some "liberal channel" MSNBC is supposed to be.

599 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:23:21am

Image: Springfields-2012-Candidates.jpg

600 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:26:04am

re: #590 Varek Raith

IT'S SPELLED
G
A
T
H
A
F
I
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:P

Officially!

601 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:27:48am

re: #600 SanFranciscoZionist

Officially!

Apparently there are 112 variations of his name.
The official one was the least common one employed by journos.
:)

602 dell*nix  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:34:52am

God's Great Banana Skin

Youtube Video
603 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:41:08am
MP3 Audio
604 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:44:07am

Morning Honcos.

605 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:57:17am

What a fucking moron.
[Link: www.kob.com...]

606 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:27:23am

re: #605 Cannadian Club Akbar

What a fucking moron.
[Link: www.kob.com...]

You seem to be able to find one or two a morning
inside Info!?!?!
You in the club or something!?!?!
/

607 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:31:03am

Ugh. Just..ugh.

608 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:31:23am

re: #606 sattv4u2

You seem to be able to find one or two a morning
inside Info!?!?!
You in the club or something!?!?!
/

This is the intertubes. People can't hide anymore.

609 researchok  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:39:28am

Morning, all

610 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:43:11am

CANADA'S health agency has warned would-be parents not to purchase "fresh" semen online, saying it may be tainted with infectious diseases.

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Enjoy your breakfast. More jokes to follow....

611 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:44:14am

re: #610 Cannadian Club Akbar

CANADA'S health agency has warned would-be parents not to purchase "fresh" semen online, saying it may be tainted with infectious diseases.

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Enjoy your breakfast. More jokes to follow...

Well, there goes my idea for a home based internet business. I planned on making money hand over fist.

612 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:51:26am

Gotta scoot.
Busy day folks

US Open testing has been completed and now I get to spend the next 6 hours on a conference call making requested match switches for programmers in Europe

Oh ,, Joy ,,,

613 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:51:59am

re: #611 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, there goes my idea for a home based internet business. I planned on making money hand over fist.

You had a good SHOT at it!

614 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:09:34am

Heavy Metal Parrot!!!!

Youtube Video
615 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:16:14am

Fuck it. Here's the whole Heavy Metal post. Waste your time here.
[Link: loudwire.com...]

616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:35:29am

My fucking 5lb dog bit me this morning. When a 5lb dog bites you it leaves an injury similar to a blood blister, I'll probably brave it out and not go to the ER.

But, that is no way to wake up.

617 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:37:17am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My fucking 5lb dog bit me this morning. When a 5lb dog bites you it leaves an injury similar to a blood blister, I'll probably brave it out and not go to the ER.

But, that is no way to wake up.

I had that happen to a cousin once. We buried him in '08. Go see a doctor, yada yada yada.

618 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:37:35am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My fucking 5lb dog bit me this morning. When a 5lb dog bites you it leaves an injury similar to a blood blister, I'll probably brave it out and not go to the ER.

But, that is no way to wake up.

Remember when Emmit Smith played against the Giants in the playoffs with a separated shoulder for the entire second half? This is just like that.
/

619 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:40:16am

re: #605 Cannadian Club Akbar

What a fucking moron.
[Link: www.kob.com...]

Better photos on Smoking Gun. If he's married, it better be his wife. she's hot.

620 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:28am

re: #619 RogueOne

Better photos on Smoking Gun. If he's married, it better be his wife. she's hot.

That dog seems like he's into it.

621 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:45:13am

re: #620 Cannadian Club Akbar

That dog seems like he's into it.

"yo quiero!"

622 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:48:38am

"For 7 cents, now you're making someone a felon for the rest of his life," Laurin Haddad, Stewart's lawyer said, according to the Post-Standard.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

No, Laurin, the punkass made himself a felon. But thanks for playing.

623 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:55:39am

re: #536 imp_62

And then there was the time I had a bad day and fought with Obdicut, which earned me a -15 from Charles and another 1 week sulk fest.

And I totally don't remember this, and think of you as a very reasonable guy.


Internet memory.

624 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:56:27am

Wow. Looking at the comments at Huffpo and wondered what the little "badges" were for. Some of those people have 700+ comments so they're a Superusers!! I sure hope Charles gives us "badges".
/

625 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:56:27am

re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar

"For 7 cents, now you're making someone a felon for the rest of his life," Laurin Haddad, Stewart's lawyer said, according to the Post-Standard.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

No, Laurin, the punkass made himself a felon. But thanks for playing.

You too, Zachary

He's not a felon because of the 7 cents
He's a felon because he carried BB guns that looked like real pistols when they knocked a 73-year old man to the ground--Stewart punching him in the face
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

626 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:57:22am

re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar


Boy, our juvie justice system is for crap. I think all we do is train kids to become better criminals when they get out.

It's a huge disappointment to me that no candidate on any side of the aisle is talking about prison reform. None of them want to be 'soft on crime'.

But by god we need it.

627 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:57:49am

oh ,, btw ,, back for a few moments

1st conference call went way faster than anticipated (happens when all parties have their shit together)
This next one I fear, not so much!

628 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:59:20am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My fucking 5lb dog bit me this morning. When a 5lb dog bites you it leaves an injury similar to a blood blister, I'll probably brave it out and not go to the ER.

But, that is no way to wake up.

Bite him back!

629 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:59:47am

re: #626 Obdicut

I'm sure he'll get a HS diploma while in the pokey and maybe some real world skills training.

630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:59:56am

re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, if you rob someone at gun-point (or make believe gunpoint); punishment should be based on the take?

631 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:00:31am

re: #624 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. Looking at the comments at Huffpo and wondered what the little "badges" were for. Some of those people have 700+ comments so they're a Superusers!! I sure hope Charles gives us "badges".
/

We don' need no steenking badges.

632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:01:47am

re: #631 Decatur Deb

I got a badger...

633 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:02:40am

re: #624 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. Looking at the comments at Huffpo and wondered what the little "badges" were for. Some of those people have 700+ comments so they're a Superusers!! I sure hope Charles gives us "badges".
/

We're Lizards

Where the Frak would we pin them!?!?!

634 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:03:02am

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got a badger...

have HIM bite your dog

635 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:03:56am

I've said before that Andre Carson is an idiot. I really hope this comes back to bite him on his ass with the voters of Marion county:

Youtube Video
636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:04:40am

re: #634 sattv4u2

have HIM bite your dog

Oh. I meant my dog. The little punk!

"Rocky don't give a shit."

637 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:07:19am

re: #629 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm sure he'll get a HS diploma while in the pokey and maybe some real world skills training.

Sure. He'll also be surrounded by other proto-criminals, some of them more hardened then him, and will know that with this on his permanent record, his chance of real employment is quite low compared to his peers.

The recidivism rate we have for kids like this is ridiculously high. We need to reform our system.

638 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:08:22am

re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, if you rob someone at gun-point (or make believe gunpoint); punishment should be based on the take?

I remember years ago reading a story about a guy who robbed and shot a woman dead. After the cost of the bullet, his take was 5 or 6 cents. The bullet was 42 cents, IIRC.

639 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:08:39am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. I meant my dog. The little punk!

"Rocky don't give a shit."

Rocky!?!!

You named a 5 POUND dog Rocky!?!?

Should have named it PEBBLES!!

640 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:09:51am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #639 sattv4u2

Rocky!?!!

You named a 5 POUND dog Rocky!?!?

Should have named it PEBBLES!!

or (wait for it)
GRAVEL!!

641 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:09:53am

re: #637 Obdicut

He robbed someone with a gun. Whether it was a bb gun or not, still a gun. And juvie isn't exactly full of hardened, wicked smart criminals.

642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:10:01am

re: #639 sattv4u2

Umm... his name is Sergei Rachmaninoff; we call him Rocky for short.

643 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:10:30am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Umm... his name is Sergei Rachmaninoff; we call him Rocky for short.

You named him that

no WONDER he bit you!

644 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:11:15am

{I likey the pencil thingy}

645 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:11:21am

re: #637 Obdicut

Sure. He'll also be surrounded by other proto-criminals, some of them more hardened then him, and will know that with this on his permanent record, his chance of real employment is quite low compared to his peers.

The recidivism rate we have for kids like this is ridiculously high. We need to reform our system.

My prison-teacher daughter keeps the tally of dead alumni in the upper left corner of her whiteboard. She incremented it to 12 this month.

646 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:12:00am

re: #641 Cannadian Club Akbar

He robbed someone a 73 y/o with a gun AND punched him in the face AND kicked him when he was down. Whether it was a bb gun or not, still a gun. And juvie isn't exactly full of hardened, wicked smart criminals.

ftfy

647 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:14:00am

re: #644 sattv4u2

{I likey the pencil thingy}

I am anti-pencil. You wrote it, own up to it!!!

648 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:14:54am

re: #647 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am anti-pencil. You wrote it, own up to it!!!

Not only did I own up to it... I added a sentence!

649 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:14:55am

re: #641 Cannadian Club Akbar

He robbed someone with a gun. Whether it was a bb gun or not, still a gun. And juvie isn't exactly full of hardened, wicked smart criminals.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a sentence. I'm saying that he is most likely going to commit more crimes in the future, and I'd like to change that.

650 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:15:16am

re: #637 Obdicut
I agree that prison/incarceration is not a great solution.

But I still think it's better than having a fifteen year old who beats up elderly people walking the streets beating up other elderly people.

I may be projecting... I saw an old man about to be mugged by two young (teen) men who were two times (each) his size. I did nothing. I'll never forgive myself.

651 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:17:24am

re: #649 Obdicut

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a sentence. I'm saying that he is most likely going to commit more crimes in the future, and I'd like to change that.

Agreed, and that's whether he was caught (and incarcerated) this time or not
Chances also are this isn't the 1st time he's done something like this, just the 1st time he's been caiught

652 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:17:27am

re: #649 Obdicut

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a sentence. I'm saying that he is most likely going to commit more crimes in the future, and I'd like to change that.

And I said he'll get an education while in the pokey. And I'll bet some therapy. And anger management classes.

653 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:17:43am

re: #645 Decatur Deb

My prison-teacher daughter keeps the tally of dead alumni in the upper left corner of her whiteboard. She incremented it to 12 this month.

There's a lot of areas where a young male has a longer life expectancy if sent to death row than if he's 'free'.

654 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:19:35am

re: #650 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree that prison/incarceration is not a great solution.

But I still think it's better than having a fifteen year old who beats up elderly people walking the streets beating up other elderly people.

Sure. But those aren't our only two choices. Or rather, prison can be more rehabilitative than it is now.

And we also need to do something, we really do, about the ghettos and the poverty. They've been there for so long now. It's goddamn heartbreaking. Generation after generation of kids growing up in a lost little world.

I think gangster-rappers who glorify-- as opposed to many who actually just present the story of-- that sort of life are evil shitheads.

655 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:20:16am

re: #653 Obdicut

There's a lot of areas where a young male has a longer life expectancy if sent to death row than if he's 'free'.

See? We agree on something! I want death row to be more efficient, too!

656 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:20:29am

Semi-related. I can see a lot of ways this could go horribly wrong:

Bullying Law Puts New Jersey Schools on Spot
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Under a new state law in New Jersey, lunch-line bullies in the East Hanover schools can be reported to the police by their classmates this fall through anonymous tips to the Crimestoppers hot line.

657 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:21:06am

And yet beauty breaks through.

This is from Oakland. The dance is being danced in memory of one of the young men's brother, who was killed in a car accident on that corner.

Youtube Video
658 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:24:54am

re: #656 RogueOne

I saw that story earlier. And since I already clicked on it, now it wants me to sign up. I'm thinking...no.

659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:25:52am

re: #654 Obdicut

In my old job, I spent most of my work days in various "hoods" all over America. Child after child, with no chance.

It sucks; but we've had ghettos since God was a child.

We should still do what we can; but it will never, ever end.

660 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:26:05am

re: #657 Obdicut

And yet beauty breaks through.

This is from Oakland. The dance is being danced in memory of one of the young men's brother, who was killed in a car accident on that corner.

[Video]

Great piece. Thanks

(although my heart did skip a beat when one of them 'slid' out onto the rain slickened street in front of an oncoming car)

661 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:26:34am

For our comics fans--DC lineup comes to e-books:

[Link: goodereader.com...]

662 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:27:44am

re: #656 RogueOne

Semi-related. I can see a lot of ways this could go horribly wrong:

Bullying Law Puts New Jersey Schools on Spot
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Oh, hell yes!

663 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:27:46am

re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think we can end all poverty and human misery, but we're in a pretty sad state of affairs. The homicide rate alone for so many of these kids is just goddamn deplorable.

664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:28:37am

re: #657 Obdicut

Freakin' awesome!

665 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:28:45am

re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

since God was a child.

I was there!

666 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:29:37am

re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Freakin' awesome!

Then give him an upding, ya cheapy!

667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:32:25am

re: #666 sattv4u2

(oops, thanks)

668 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:36:24am

K

Conference call (#2) from hell about start

cover me, I'm going in!

BBL

669 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:37:18am

Wild, Wild, West. And all that.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

670 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:37:36am

re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here's another memorial dance, for a guy shot by the cops.


Youtube Video
671 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:38:55am

Tho I have a problem with "Bush lied, people dies" slogan, because it seems that he might have been quite sincere, somebody in the chain had to lie, as this new info confirms.

[Link: www.welt.de...]

Using explicitly unconfirmed info as confirmed is hard to classify other than lying. It's no mere screw-up. BND told CIA many times the Curveball data is not anywhere near confirmed.

672 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:38:57am

re: #669 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wild, Wild, West. And all that.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

I think that qualifies as 'going medieval on your ass'.

673 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:41:40am

re: #671 Sergey Romanov

No habla Espanol.

674 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:42:33am

re: #673 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No habla Espanol.

什麼？

675 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:43:04am

re: #672 Decatur Deb

I think that qualifies as 'going medieval on your ass'.

My friend made a crossbow in shop class (imagine that right about now) and he made it an inch longer than the specs. He put a pen through his bedroom wall and into the bathroom.

676 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:44:35am

From wiki:

On April 8, 2005, CIA Director Porter Goss ordered an internal review of the CIA in order to determine why doubts about Curveball's reliability were not forwarded to policy makers. Former CIA Director George Tenet and his former deputy, John E. McLaughlin, announced that they were not aware of doubts about Curveball's veracity before the war. However, Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of the CIA's European division, told the Los Angeles Times that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening."

Seems like Tenet lied through his teeth. So where are heads on platters? Oh no, good old boys won't harm each other.

677 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:45:01am

re: #675 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to make them all the time as a kid. I made an atlatl too; that ruled. I could throw railroad spikes through an inch of plywood with that.

678 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:47:48am

re: #677 Obdicut

I used to make them all the time as a kid. I made an atlatl too; that ruled. I could throw railroad spikes through an inch of plywood with that.

Our Anthro dept had an annual picnic with atl-atl competition as part of the 'Mr/Mrs Pleistocene' title. Buddy was DQ'ed for hot-glueing his flint point to the shaft.

679 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:49:21am

re: #678 Decatur Deb

Is it more properly atl-atl? I didn't know that.

I do want to learn flint-knapping at some point. A friend of mine knows how to do it; he's also got his hand covered in scars because of it. But it seems like such a cool thing. You start off with a rock, and at the end you've got a couple of razors, a hand-axe, a few awls, and some spearpoints.

680 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:53:02am

re: #679 Obdicut

Is it more properly atl-atl? I didn't know that.

I do want to learn flint-knapping at some point. A friend of mine knows how to do it; he's also got his hand covered in scars because of it. But it seems like such a cool thing. You start off with a rock, and at the end you've got a couple of razors, a hand-axe, a few awls, and some spearpoints.

Don't think the spelling's that rigid. Knapping will come in handy after the Mayan calendar runs down. One of our best guys actually did basket weaving, turned out one so fine it was watertight, and could boil the water.

681 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:53:18am

re: #677 Obdicut

I used to make them all the time as a kid. I made an atlatl too; that ruled. I could throw railroad spikes through an inch of plywood with that.

Adult: "Why are you throwing RR spikes through that plywood"?
Kid: "Because I can".

682 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:53:45am

re: #679 Obdicut

Is it more properly atl-atl? I didn't know that.

I do want to learn flint-knapping at some point. A friend of mine knows how to do it; he's also got his hand covered in scars because of it. But it seems like such a cool thing. You start off with a rock, and at the end you've got a couple of razors, a hand-axe, a few awls, and some spearpoints.

Planning ahead for the collapse of Civilization as we know it?

683 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:59:39am

re: #682 Alouette

Planning ahead for the collapse of Civilization as we know it?

There is talk of abandoning the ISS. We might be past high tide.

684 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:08:02am

re: #682 Alouette

If civilization does collapse, it's going to be more Fallout and less back to the teepees and yurts. But an ability to throw railroad spikes through plywood is always in high demand.

685 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:13:52am

I'll trade you these grenades for those rat crisps and some bottled water.

686 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:18:47am

re: #685 prononymous

I'll trade you these grenades for those rat crisps and some bottled water.

Could I interest you in a Soylent Shake?

[Link: blogs.browardpalmbeach.com...]

687 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:19:06am

New topless Putin photos!

This time not as impressive.

[Link: zazabava.com...]

688 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:21:03am

Morning Lizardim. Today was not nearly as spectacular as yesterday, though the light drizzle did make for some entertaining driving. Still, cool and wet in the wild north country, and I admit I kinda like it that way. Cool and dry is still better, though.

689 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:21:30am

re: #686 Decatur Deb

Could I interest you in a Soylent Shake?

[Link: blogs.browardpalmbeach.com...]

I wonder if Jack Lalane chose that option.

690 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:21:40am

re: #686 Decatur Deb

Powered by:

Pedal harder or your the next one in!

691 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:24:31am

Seriously though, whenever I move to a new area I learn what native flora and fauna are edible, the best way to obtain good water, how to find/construct shelter, etc. Am I paranoid?

692 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:26:42am

Today my 40th Anniversary!

Zedushka is buying me an MP3 music player.

693 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:26:54am

re: #691 prononymous

Seriously though, whenever I move to a new area I learn what native flora and fauna are edible, the best way to obtain good water, how to find/construct shelter, etc. Am I paranoid?

I've been looking at the awful post-Irene VT pix. I don't think you're paranoid at all.

694 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:27:00am

re: #692 Alouette

Today my 40th Anniversary!

Wow, congratulations!

695 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:27:27am

re: #692 Alouette

Congrats!

696 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:27:43am

re: #691 prononymous

Seriously though, whenever I move to a new area I learn what native flora and fauna are edible, the best way to obtain good water, how to find/construct shelter, etc. Am I paranoid?

Not unless you make a list of Mormons.

697 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:27:49am

re: #692 Alouette

Today my 40th Anniversary!

Anymore cute new baby pix? He must look completely different by now.

698 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:28:03am

Biker Photos Lead To Investigation At Sheriff's Office
Sheriff's Office Captain Accused Of Using Confidential Information
[Link: www.wesh.com...]

Orange County Sheriff's Office Capt. Mike Fewless is the target of an internal investigation after allegations arose that he and other deputies misused their authority to gather confidential information and lobby lawmakers to stop passage of a bill during the spring legislative session. That bill could potentially have allowed open carry of guns by concealed weapons permit holders.

Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings and other sheriffs opposed it, but Fewless used an unusual tactic at a Senate hearing.

"I actually stopped by every one of you guys' office this morning (and) dropped off seven photographs of some biker Outlaw Gang guys that have carrying concealed firearm permits. Those are the ones we're worried about carrying," Fewless said.

"I don't have any recollection of seeing these photographs," state Sen. David Simmons, R-Altamonte Springs, said.

Simmons was in that hearing and never saw the photos. WESH 2 News didn't show them either because the photos were obtained from driver license and concealed weapons permit databases.

State agents made a statement when a complaint about Fewless was filed.

"It is my understanding that (state law) expressly prohibits release of (concealed weapons) licensee holder information except in the conduct of ... an investigation," Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokeswoman Lisa Rousseau said.

699 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:31:12am

re: #696 Decatur Deb

Not unless you make a list of Mormons.

I don't catch the reference.

700 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:32:38am

re: #699 prononymous

I don't catch the reference.

From the days of the trek west, they have strongly encouraged the practice of maintaining a large food reserve, up to a year or more.

701 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:32:47am

re: #698 RogueOne

"I actually stopped by every one of you guys' office this morning (and) dropped off seven photographs of some biker Outlaw Gang guys that have carrying concealed firearm permits. Those are the ones we're worried about carrying," Fewless said.

Uh, that's not your decision there Captain.

702 fizzlogic  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:38:32am

re: #33 palomino

Forcing a woman to listen to a fetal heartbeat and view ultrasound images? Is there any real question that this is a violation of both the 1st Amendment and the right to privacy that sort of undergirds the right to abortion in the first place?

FWIU from listening to Rush Limbaugh back in the day when I was a conservative, there is no right to privacy in the Constitution. It's something only "activist" judges divine from its penumbra.

703 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:39:05am

Video Of Police Shooting Prompts Dismissal Of Charges
Orlando Officers Shot Driver They Claimed Rammed Police Vehicles
[Link: www.clickorlando.com...]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors have dropped attempted murder charges against a man who was shot in November by Orlando police officers who claimed he tried to ram them with his van.

The decision came after the Florida Department of Law Enforcement obtained surveillance video that appears to show an Orlando police pickup truck pushing the van into other officers' vehicles.

A passenger in the pickup was OPD Sgt. Rhonda Huckelbery, who suspected that men in the van stole her husband's credit cards the day before and used them to buy nearly $1,000 in electronics.

Orlando police told Local 6 that there is no policy preventing officers from investigating crimes in which their husbands or other relatives are victims.

OPD is conducting an internal investigation of an undisclosed number of the dozen officers involved in the takedown in the Target parking lot on East Colonial Drive on the Sunday before Thanksgiving 2010. The department would not comment.

The FDLE forwarded its findings to the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office, which dropped charges of attempted murder of a law enforcement officer and other serious felonies that could have led to life sentences. Prosecutors have decided to take no action against the officers.

Cortes, shot in the abdomen and arm, remains charged with attempting to flee or elude police.

They fired 9 shots hitting him 4 times and then lied about why they shot him and tried to put him in prison for life. Not only are they not charged with a crime, they're still on the street.

704 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:40:40am

re: #701 Cannadian Club Akbar

"I actually stopped by every one of you guys' office this morning (and) dropped off seven photographs of some biker Outlaw Gang guys that have carrying concealed firearm permits. Those are the ones we're worried about carrying," Fewless said.

Uh, that's not your decision there Captain.

I'm a little surprised they were able to find 7 gang members without a criminal record.

705 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:40:43am

I've been kinda following this for a while.
[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

706 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:42:18am

re: #703 RogueOne

Video Of Police Shooting Prompts Dismissal Of Charges
Orlando Officers Shot Driver They Claimed Rammed Police Vehicles
[Link: www.clickorlando.com...]

They fired 9 shots hitting him 4 times and then lied about why they shot him and tried to put him in prison for life. Not only are they not charged with a crime, they're still on the street.

And even so, I'm actually surprised at the bolded part.

708 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:43:15am

re: #705 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've been kinda following this for a while.
[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

Why? You waiting on a matching set?

709 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:44:30am

re: #700 Decatur Deb

From the days of the trek west, they have strongly encouraged the practice of maintaining a large food reserve, up to a year or more.

I see. I would think that having a large stockpile would make one a target in any true end of civilization scenario.

Rather than trying to defend a house in the middle of the city I'd head for the hills with some rolls of clear plastic, a few tarps, etc. But I don't really like that it makes me sound like one of those paranoid survivalist nutbags. Though, if the shoe fits...

710 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:44:30am

re: #706 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And even so, I'm actually surprised at the bolded part.

Once the video got out they didn't have much of a choice. I wonder how long they had their hands on it before they decided they were screwed and dropped the charges.

711 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:46:49am

re: #706 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And even so, I'm actually surprised at the bolded part.

Arresting and trying cops would set a bad precedent, it will interfere with the police work of trying to defend us. Only third world shitholes do that.

712 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:47:28am

re: #700 Decatur Deb

From the days of the trek west, they have strongly encouraged the practice of maintaining a large food reserve, up to a year or more.

Isn't that still part of their creed? I seem to remember that some of the first disaster supplies during Katrina were coming out of Utah.

713 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:48:50am

re: #707 Sergey Romanov

Ok well, that was awesome.

Who's the powerhouse, and do you know of a page with the English lyrics?

714 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:52:14am

re: #700 Decatur Deb

From the days of the trek west, they have strongly encouraged the practice of maintaining a large food reserve, up to a year or more.

Yeah, as a kid my parents would occasionally go to these survivalist food companies for boxes and boxes of powdered, etc., food. I remember being about 12 and one of the sales people saying their biggest customer base: Fundamentalist/Evangelicals and LDS.

Interesting.

715 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:54:30am

Morning all!

How is it today?

716 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:54:55am

Alrighty. I'm going for a walk before it gets to hot. bbiab.

717 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:56:23am

re: #715 ggt

Morning all!

How is it today?

Listening to some fantastic 1970s stuff Sergey posted in #707.

718 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:57:38am

re: #713 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ok well, that was awesome.

Who's the powerhouse, and do you know of a page with the English lyrics?

David Tukhmanov's conceptual album. His music; the lyrics are from all over the world, from Sappho and 13th century vagantes to Baudelaire, Verlaine and Anna Akhmatova (you've listened to the latter).

Playlist: [Link: tinyurl.com...]

719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:00:06am

re: #714 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It used to be a requirement of the faith that they kept a certain amount; it's no longer "required", but many of the LDS faith still keep a supply.

Nothing wrong with that, until the Zombie Apocalypse and you're putting on weight while your neighbors are so weakened by hunger that they can't fight off the Zombies anymore.

720 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:03:23am

Good lord. Shooting peoples dogs isn't enough now they're moving on to the cats:

Couple seek policy change after police officer shoots pet cat
[Link: www.middletownjournal.com...]

LEBANON — Lebanon officials and others are at odds over whether shooting a couple’s pet violated state laws.

Dori and Randall Stone are devastated after a police officer shot their cat in the head and are now determined to change Lebanon’s policies regarding injured or stray animals.

The cat, Haze, went missing last Friday and by Sunday he still hadn’t come home. They frantically searched their neighborhood. They did not know that at around 1 p.m. Saturday a Lebanon police officer, answering an animal complaint call from a neighbor’s relative, shot Haze in the head and the relative stuffed him in the garbage.

721 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:04:16am

re: #720 RogueOne

Good lord. Shooting peoples dogs isn't enough now they're moving on to the cats:

Couple seek policy change after police officer shoots pet cat
[Link: www.middletownjournal.com...]

Good thing it's happening in the faraway country of Lebanon, not in the US.

/

722 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:04:50am

re: #719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah well, unless this zombie apocalypse has an unusual zombie dispersal pattern I'm going to want to be where there is the lowest density of former-humans. :p

723 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:06:16am

re: #719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It used to be a requirement of the faith that they kept a certain amount; it's no longer "required", but many of the LDS faith still keep a supply.

Nothing wrong with that, until the Zombie Apocalypse and you're putting on weight while your neighbors are so weakened by hunger that they can't fight off the Zombies anymore.

Could make u into tasty zombie fuud. :/

Srsly, though, preparing my parent's house for an estate sale after my dad's death, I found all manner of shyt...including old old OLD-ass boxes of that stuff. How sad, I thought, all these people stocking up for the Apocalypse since some time in 1948 and yet, nothing happens.

724 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:06:18am

re: #721 Sergey Romanov

I did a CVS store there a couple years ago. I have a restaurant going on in the next little town over next month. I don't have a cat and I'll leave my dogs at home so I should be safe.

725 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:06:30am

re: #712 RogueOne

re: #719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #714 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The Dept of Defense has written provisions to move such supplies into the Joint Travel Regulations, important when moving Mormon families into areas with shipping limitations.

726 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:07:11am

re: #718 Sergey Romanov

Lol I was about to say, that was Anna Akhmatova singing!?! But thx for that...I will definitely look up that album now.

727 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:08:36am

re: #723 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Could make u into tasty zombie fuud. :/
....

Grain fed human is good eatin'

728 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:08:37am

re: #697 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Anymore cute new baby pix? He must look completely different by now.

Thanks for asking!

729 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:09:08am

re: #726 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol I was about to say, that was Anna Akhmatova singing!?! But thx for that...I will definitely look up that album now.

[Link: russmus.net...]

730 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:09:13am

re: #728 Alouette

Thanks for asking!

awwww, look at the beebee!!!!!

731 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:09:52am

Had to drive the kid to school this morning. I couldn't find my keys (not unusual), so the kid let me borrow his.

I feel so old.

732 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:09:57am

re: #728 Alouette

Thanks for asking!

Obviously plotting something! /

733 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:11:20am

re: #728 Alouette

Thanks for asking!

Oh dear! Well, I can now say my day started off better than yesterday now. How adorable!

734 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:12:10am

re: #732 Sergey Romanov

Obviously plotting something! /

IF there is a Cat Overlord in the house, I'd be worried.

Kid looks like he could be in cahoots with one.

735 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:12:23am

re: #728 Alouette

Thanks for asking!

Looks sorta like my baby boy. D'aww.

736 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:14:28am

re: #726 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I notice that there's lyrics transl. at the link I gave above:

[Link: russmus.net...]

737 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:14:53am

Fast and Furious finally showing some Fallout.

738 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:19:17am

Click the link and tell me if that is a Lizard.

739 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:29:59am

re: #736 Sergey Romanov

I notice that there's lyrics transl. at the link I gave above:

[Link: russmus.net...]

Excellent - thanks! [Link: russmus.net...]

740 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:35:33am

Think Fox doesn't approve of Gaga. ?

Oh well, I think the rest of the world loves her.

741 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:36:20am

Dow +93
that's a nice start to the morning.

742 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:37:08am

re: #732 Sergey Romanov

Obviously plotting something! /

Future Zionist overlord and all that.

743 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:47:46am

Update: Tea Party group drops O'Donnell, re-invites her to Iowa

The group has reversed course and re-invited O'Donnell, who defeated moderate congressman Mike Castle for the GOP Senate nomination. She lost the general election to Democrat Chris Coons.

"We're making room for her," Tea Party of America president Ken Crow told The News Journal of Wilmington, Del. on Tuesday. "We welcome her and look forward to hearing her speech."

Charlie Gruschow, an organizer of the event, had told The Wall Street Journal yesterday that O'Donnell was disinvited after his group got e-mails complaining about her being in the lineup. He told The News Journal that he's "taking the sword" for the confusion.

744 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:49:31am

re: #743 Killgore Trout

O'Donnell? Who's that?

/long time no see

745 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:50:30am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Still soggy around much of NJ and while NJ Transit is getting service restored, the Port Jervis line into NY is suspended indefinitely due to storm damage. The Passaic River flooding continues even though the river has crested at record or near record levels. They don't expect flooding to recede until the end of the week at the least. It's the same story on the Raritan River and other rivers through New Jersey.

That means that the power will remain out in the affected areas because crews can't turn the power on until the flooding recedes and they can't make the necessary repairs.

746 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:52:28am

re: #745 lawhawk
BTW
Watched 9/11 Rising the WTC documentary. Very impressive design, very good documentary.

747 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:56:57am

re: #720 RogueOne

Good lord. Shooting peoples dogs isn't enough now they're moving on to the cats:

Couple seek policy change after police officer shoots pet cat
[Link: www.middletownjournal.com...]

WTF! That's not animal control that's just stupid and dangerous.

748 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:59:41am

re: #626 Obdicut

Boy, our juvie justice system is for crap. I think all we do is train kids to become better criminals when they get out.

It's a huge disappointment to me that no candidate on any side of the aisle is talking about prison reform. None of them want to be 'soft on crime'.

But by god we need it.

We need prisons that do their level best to improve the character and skill set of the inmates. Partly, that means maintaining order and discipline within the walls. It can't be a madhouse run by the inmates. And then (nothing else will work until that's in place) it means having some vocational programs that mean something, and a college track for the considerable fraction of inmates who are quite bright once you get past their ---violent criminal history.

And the whole idea is to get past it. They don't have to carry on in the same vein. They're in the perfect position to see that it doesn't work. Put them where they can also see an alternative that works way better, and those who haven't once and for all chosen the dark side can get on with a better life.

There's a prison that has partnered with a liberal arts college and is doing just that, subject of a TV documentary.

749 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:00:58am

re: #747 Rightwingconspirator

I think they might have a police officer that likes to shoot things a little too much for my tastes. If you can shoot someones cat you'll shoot a person without a thought.

750 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:02:21am

Have a great day all!

751 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:03:07am

re: #746 Rightwingconspirator

I'm in the process of going back over my archives to put together 9/11 related postings, both having to do with the human toll and the reconstruction efforts.

BTW, if anyone is living in Lower Manhattan below Canal Street, you're now considered eligible for the Zadroga Act funds, even though the Act still doesn't cover certain cancers and ailments that many of the afflicted believe are due to exposures at Ground Zero.

752 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:06:15am

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Update: Tea Party group drops O'Donnell, re-invites her to Iowa

Gd, she is so effing stupid.

That's also the rally where the Palinites think/hope/wish/pray Sarah is going to grace the world with her Annunciation. What a stupid circus. Gotta bring in the biggest carnival barkers to sell tickets, I guess. :/

753 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:08:36am

re: #751 lawhawk

I'm in the process of going back over my archives to put together 9/11 related postings, both having to do with the human toll and the reconstruction efforts.

BTW, if anyone is living in Lower Manhattan below Canal Street, you're now considered eligible for the Zadroga Act funds, even though the Act still doesn't cover certain cancers and ailments that many of the afflicted believe are due to exposures at Ground Zero.

Lawhawk - have you seen the new 9/11 TV news archive at archive.org? I did a page on it a few days ago. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

754 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:09:40am

re: #745 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Still soggy around much of NJ and while NJ Transit is getting service restored, the Port Jervis line into NY is suspended indefinitely due to storm damage. The Passaic River flooding continues even though the river has crested at record or near record levels. They don't expect flooding to recede until the end of the week at the least. It's the same story on the Raritan River and other rivers through New Jersey.

That means that the power will remain out in the affected areas because crews can't turn the power on until the flooding recedes and they can't make the necessary repairs.

Finally got in contact with my friend who lives in Keansburg. (Just west of Sandy Hook in what is essentially Outer New York Harbor for those not familiar with the geography.) They spent the weekend of the hurricane with his parents in south New Jersey. He said that getting back home was an adventure in itself.

The half of the duplex they rent a couple of hundred yards off the beach got three inches of water in the lower floor. Some electronic devices lost, and most of the bookcases and stands are write-offs as well since the plywood kits they have just soak up water. Otherwise they got off lightly. The office he works at in Wayne still had 8 inches of water in the lower floor and was totally inoperative as of yesterday.

And he thinks the area and state got off lightly and appreciates the steps the state and associated agencies carried out to try to reduce the mayhem and loss of life.

755 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:11:21am

Pay for executives now appears to be tied to tax avoidance strategies rather than innovation.

No kidding. It's no wonder that companies ranging from GE on down have tax departments that seek to take advantage of every tax credit, deduction, exemption, and limitation - and that in GE's case, it can save the company billions of dollars annually (not zero tax, but far less than if it didn't utilize all those legal tax maneuvers).

Executive pay is being skewed because companies can reap profits by adjusting their tax burden using legal means (tax avoidance). It isn't because these companies are innovating.

So, how do we rectify the situation. I'd say lower the overall tax level but eliminate the tax credits, deductions, and other limitations limitations. You would get better compliance and it would spur companies to innovate to increase profits, rather than trying to improve the bottom line via improved tax strategies.

Companies don't want to see changes - because they've got their vested interests in all those credits and deductions, but something has got to give.

756 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:12:00am

I truly cannot wait for the party of "less government" to once again hold the reigns of power in our nation's capital, where they will, no doubt, continue their jihad against women, teh gay, immigrants, universities, cities, people who live in cities, teachers, unions, teacher unions, atheist-muslim sharias, and all others.

//

757 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:14:01am

re: #751 lawhawk

I'm in the process of going back over my archives to put together 9/11 related postings, both having to do with the human toll and the reconstruction efforts.

BTW, if anyone is living in Lower Manhattan below Canal Street, you're now considered eligible for the Zadroga Act funds, even though the Act still doesn't cover certain cancers and ailments that many of the afflicted believe are due to exposures at Ground Zero.

Just posted a page on the ADL report of 9/11 "Troofers"

758 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:14:25am

re: #753 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I can't ding that up enough. Excellent resource. Thanks for sharing.

759 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:18:49am

re: #755 lawhawk

Pay for executives now appears to be tied to tax avoidance strategies rather than innovation.

No kidding. It's no wonder that companies ranging from GE on down have tax departments that seek to take advantage of every tax credit, deduction, exemption, and limitation - and that in GE's case, it can save the company billions of dollars annually (not zero tax, but far less than if it didn't utilize all those legal tax maneuvers).

Executive pay is being skewed because companies can reap profits by adjusting their tax burden using legal means (tax avoidance). It isn't because these companies are innovating.

So, how do we rectify the situation. I'd say lower the overall tax level but eliminate the tax credits, deductions, and other limitations limitations. You would get better compliance and it would spur companies to innovate to increase profits, rather than trying to improve the bottom line via improved tax strategies.

Companies don't want to see changes - because they've got their vested interests in all those credits and deductions, but something has got to give.

How much of executive pay is tied in to bonus entitlements?

760 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:18:56am

Huntsman is expected to make a policy speech today about his tax policy, and it's something I think is long overdue.

Mr. Huntsman, who is struggling to capture the public’s attention in his bid for the presidency, will deliver the speech at the Gilchrist Metal Fabricating facility in Hudson, N.H.

There, aides said he will repeat his call for a tax code with dramatically lower individual and corporate tax rates, an end to taxes on capital gains and dividends and the elimination of the alternative minimum tax.

But in exchange, Mr. Huntsman will say the tax code needs to be stripped of all loopholes, deductions and tax giveaways, a step that would make the changes neutral in terms of how much money would flow into the government’s coffers.

I think it's a good start, and is far more doable than the flat taxers and Norquist tax "policy".

761 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:20:00am

re: #755 lawhawk

Pay for executives now appears to be tied to tax avoidance strategies rather than innovation.

No kidding. It's no wonder that companies ranging from GE on down have tax departments that seek to take advantage of every tax credit, deduction, exemption, and limitation - and that in GE's case, it can save the company billions of dollars annually (not zero tax, but far less than if it didn't utilize all those legal tax maneuvers).

Executive pay is being skewed because companies can reap profits by adjusting their tax burden using legal means (tax avoidance). It isn't because these companies are innovating.

So, how do we rectify the situation. I'd say lower the overall tax level but eliminate the tax credits, deductions, and other limitations limitations. You would get better compliance and it would spur companies to innovate to increase profits, rather than trying to improve the bottom line via improved tax strategies.

Companies don't want to see changes - because they've got their vested interests in all those credits and deductions, but something has got to give.

Though the corporate tax accountants and such who I deal with on a daily basis would dearly love some simplifications to the tax code and unholy mess that are state and local sales taxes. They're the ones where the rubber meets the road in navigating the labyrinth of keeping the company compliant with the applicable tax codes. And there are multiple software plug-in applications out there simply for the calculation of sales and value-added taxes and associated paperwork. (add further complication once you do sales from the US into Canada, Mexico, or further overseas.)

762 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:21:42am

re: #761 oaktree

My company works with many of the same providers - and provides all levels of tax and accounting information/software/solutions. It's a taxing situation to say the least (pun intentional).

763 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:48am

re: #755 lawhawk

Companies don't want to see changes - because they've got their vested interests in all those credits and deductions, but something has got to give.

I predict that the "something" that "gives" will be the bottom 98% of earners in the US.

764 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:28:09am

re: #760 lawhawk

Huntsman is expected to make a policy speech today about his tax policy, and it's something I think is long overdue.

I think it's a good start, and is far more doable than the flat taxers and Norquist tax "policy".

It's a terrible start. Ending all taxes on capital gains is Dick Armey stupidity. Oh well. Huntsman has a few shreds of reasonableness, but he's mostly just another GOP nutbar.

Maybe Warren Buffett can explain things to him.

765 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:05am

re: #757 Alouette

Just posted a page on the ADL report of 9/11 "Troofers"

Just commented! Great link.

766 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:30:02am

re: #764 Obdicut

It's a terrible start. Ending all taxes on capital gains is Dick Armey stupidity. Oh well. Huntsman has a few shreds of reasonableness, but he's mostly just another GOP nutbar.

Maybe Warren Buffett can explain things to him.

Huntsman has two problems:

1) He had to include some kind of "lower taxes overall" idea in his speech, hence the (milder than some, but still crunchy) nuttiness.

2) Despite 1), he's completely unelectable.

767 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:31:39am

re: #764 Obdicut

It's a terrible start. Ending all taxes on capital gains is Dick Armey stupidity. Oh well. Huntsman has a few shreds of reasonableness, but he's mostly just another GOP nutbar.

All GOPers have embraced Ayn Rand economics. The only differences between them at this point are degrees of anti-science theocracy and demonization of gays/minorities.

768 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:31:54am

re: #762 lawhawk

My company works with many of the same providers - and provides all levels of tax and accounting information/software/solutions. It's a taxing situation to say the least (pun intentional).

I used to be responsible way back for downloading the updates to the tax rate data on a monthly basis. Using magnetic tapes - which is where I learned all sorts of fun stuff regarding that particular media.

769 steve_davis  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:41:06am

re: #2 Hal_10000

"I suspect the GOP knew this would happen. After all, they don't want abortions outlawed for their mistresses. They've frequently passed laws on this issue they *knew* would get struck down."

Keep in mind they had an exception in there for incest and rape. Plus, very few pregnancies result from men blowing each other in public restrooms, so GOP politicians would have been safe on two fronts.

770 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:46:11am

re: #768 oaktree

I used to be responsible way back for downloading the updates to the tax rate data on a monthly basis. Using magnetic tapes - which is where I learned all sorts of fun stuff regarding that particular media.

Ahh, magnetic tape. There's some good times.

771 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:49:46am

For comparison purposes, the UK rates on cap gains:

For gains on or before 22 June 2010, Capital Gains Tax is charged at a flat rate of 18 per cent.

The following Capital Gains Tax rates apply to gains after this date:

18 per cent and 28 per cent tax rates for individuals (the tax rate you use depends on the total amount of your taxable income, so you need to work this out first )
28 per cent for trustees or for personal representatives of someone who has died
10 per cent for gains qualifying for Entrepreneurs' Relief

Further, there's an annual exempt amount - the first ~10k is exempt from the tax (which basically exempts anyone but the top tax brackets from cap gains).

I'd love to see someone run the numbers to see how that system would shake out compared to the US cap gains, which is summarized in table form here. But it appears that the rates are comparable.

772 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:53:35am

re: #770 thedopefishlives

Ahh, magnetic tape. There's some good times.

The transition off of that for various periodic data exchanges was interesting.

One company passing railroad car data (leases, repairs, etc.) switched from mag tap to 3.5 floppies. So we had to put a procedure together that pulled the data file off the floppy onto a PC, transfer the file to the VAX, run it through the conversion program there to get it into the right import format, then transfer it onto the NT network for the application that used the data to download it.

I "simplified" the process a bit by getting VB versions of the conversion programs written so that the VAX step could be skipped and the old COBOL conversion programs scrapped since the data files could be reformatted on the PC directly from the floppy and then placed in a shared folder. (All this in the day before SSIS packages and even DTS.)

773 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:54:51am

re: #771 lawhawk

And a lot of the taxing still takes into account the difference between short-term and long-term gains.

774 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:55:23am

BREAKING: Palin's participation in Saturday's Tea Party of America rally is "on hold," 2 sources close to Palin tell RCP

775 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:55:54am

For those of you who are into pirate-y things...

Blackbeard's Flagship confirmed found off the coast of North Carolina

776 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:57:45am

Sarah Palin Cancels Appearance at Tea Party Rally in Iowa

The person cited “continual lying” from event organizers at Tea Party of America, including a recent mixup over whether former U.S. Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell of Delaware would also speak.

Heh.

777 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:57:52am

Developing: Justice Department Moves to Block Merger of AT&T and T-Mobile, News Reports Say

In other words, crappy service will remain crappy separately for AT&T and T-Mobile.

778 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:59:42am

re: #777 lawhawk

Developing: Justice Department Moves to Block Merger of AT&T and T-Mobile, News Reports Say

In other words, crappy service will remain crappy separately for AT&T and T-Mobile.

Actually, as a T-Mobile customer, I see this as a good thing. Not that T-Mobile has ever really treated me fairly, but AT&T is nothing but bad news.

779 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:03:41am

re: #775 thedopefishlives

For those of you who are into pirate-y things...

Blackbeard's Flagship confirmed found off the coast of North Carolina

That baby has been sunk almost as long as the hopes of the pirates in Pittsburgh.

;)

780 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:04:14am

re: #777 lawhawk

Developing: Justice Department Moves to Block Merger of AT&T and T-Mobile, News Reports Say

In other words, crappy service will remain crappy separately for AT&T and T-Mobile.

I am a T-Mobile customer and I'm looking for a new smartphone plan, my current plan, which includes only dumbphones, is a total ripoff.

But what plan exist that is not a ripoff?

781 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:08:01am

re: #780 Alouette

Good luck finding a plan that isn't a ripoff. I've got AT&T and they no longer offer unlimited data plans, and their monthly costs are astronomical excluding the data portion. And when you do have data plans, you're not getting the 3G/4G service claimed either..

782 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:09:15am

re: #780 Alouette

I am a T-Mobile customer and I'm looking for a new smartphone plan, my current plan, which includes only dumbphones, is a total ripoff.

But what plan exist that is not a ripoff?

I'm currently on the virgin mobile $25/month plan and for what I do with my phone it's working well so far.

783 Lidane  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:14:09am

re: #781 lawhawk

I've got AT&T and they no longer offer unlimited data plans, and their monthly costs are astronomical excluding the data portion. And when you do have data plans, you're not getting the 3G/4G service claimed either..

All true. For two phones that have the minimum amount of phone minutes and unlimited data and texting, I'm paying a ridiculous amount every month.

I'd leave and go elsewhere, but that would involve breaking my contract and paying AT&T a bunch of fees I can't afford.

784 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:15:09am

re: #780 Alouette

I am a T-Mobile customer and I'm looking for a new smartphone plan, my current plan, which includes only dumbphones, is a total ripoff.

But what plan exist that is not a ripoff?

Maybe time to make the eruv using fiber optic cable, link them all together, and to start the Orthodox Network...
// ;) (j/k)

785 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:20:08am

re: #783 Lidane

All true. For two phones that have the minimum amount of phone minutes and unlimited data and texting, I'm paying a ridiculous amount every month.

I'd leave and go elsewhere, but that would involve breaking my contract and paying AT&T a bunch of fees I can't afford.

My contract is coming up for renewal next month, so I'm shopping around. All the plans are equally overpriced.

786 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:23:29am

Good ruling by the judge and he's right. These attempts are trying to permanently brand women who choose to get abortions. It's crap and I am glad a judge called it as such.

787 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:23:54am

Holy freakin' crap!!!
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:35:51am

I keep talking about this for the ramp up to the 911 Anniversary.

I highly recommend the reading of the short story, "The Things They Left Behind" by Stephen King.

No car chases, no ghosties, no spies... just a simple, lovely story.

789 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:37:47am

re: #785 Alouette

My contract is coming up for renewal next month, so I'm shopping around. All the plans are equally overpriced.

Seriously - have you looked at the VM one?

$25 = 300 minutes, unlimited text/data (given "normal" smart phone use, i.e. no tethering and no vnc-like remote controlling).

The only downside for me was the somewhat limited choice of phones, and you have to buy one upfront (but I made the cost of the phone back in 4 months).

790 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:37:53am

re: #788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No car chases, no ghosties, no spies... just a simple, lovely story.

What? Are you sure Stephen King wrote it?/

791 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:38:25am

re: #787 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man in Virginia uses cable to decapitate self after argument with ex-wife


Think he used FOX, MSNBC or CNN?

792 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:38:54am

re: #790 thedopefishlives

What? Are you sure Stephen King wrote it?/

He didn't say "no vampires".

793 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:39:16am

re: #789 iossarian

$25 = 300 minutes, unlimited text/data (given "normal" smart phone use, i.e. no tethering and no vnc-like remote controlling).

See, that rider is the kicker for a geek like me. When I get a smartphone (and I do not currently have one), I expect to be able to do anything with it I want. Tethering it and using it as a Wifi hotspot had better be on the table and not cost extra, or it's a deal-breaker.

794 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:41:14am

re: #793 thedopefishlives

Get a pager.

795 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:41:18am

re: #793 thedopefishlives

See, that rider is the kicker for a geek like me. When I get a smartphone (and I do not currently have one), I expect to be able to do anything with it I want. Tethering it and using it as a Wifi hotspot had better be on the table and not cost extra, or it's a deal-breaker.

Thing is, all the carriers (to my knowledge anyway) more or less rule out tethering in the small print. So I'm not sure to what extent the VM restriction would be any different than anyone else.

I mentioned it because it's in the contract, but it's possible that if your usage wasn't astronomical they wouldn't care.

796 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:48:26am

Net10:
750 Minutes 30-DAY MONTHLY PLAN
For talk, text / picture messaging, web/email and calls to 411
$25.

They can do this, IIRC, because other carriers have to rent out tower space for to competition.

797 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:52:19am

re: #793 thedopefishlives

See, that rider is the kicker for a geek like me. When I get a smartphone (and I do not currently have one), I expect to be able to do anything with it I want. Tethering it and using it as a Wifi hotspot had better be on the table and not cost extra, or it's a deal-breaker.

I use PDANet with a Droid2 and both my laptops, Mac and PC. [Link: pdanet.en.softonic.com...] - get the paid version to use https

At first, Verizon barked at me a couple times about their own hotspot service (i.e. putting links to it on my phone desktop) but cancelling out of it each time did the trick.

798 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:53:19am

re: #790 thedopefishlives

What? Are you sure Stephen King wrote it?/

Have you ever read King's essay on the Little League World Series? Basically following a Maine team through the process when his son Owen was playing. Turned up in a book on the "Best Sports writing in period XYZ" I was given as a gift.

Titled "Head Down" according to Wikipedia.

Now, turning something like that into a supernatural thriller... he has written "Blockcade Billy" as a baseball story.

799 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:54:16am

re: #797 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Mac and PC?

You really are bi...

/

800 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:54:52am

re: #798 oaktree

No. But I will. Thanks.

801 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:55:59am

re: #798 oaktree

Have you ever read King's essay on the Little League World Series? Basically following a Maine team through the process when his son Owen was playing. Turned up in a book on the "Best Sports writing in period XYZ" I was given as a gift.

Titled "Head Down" according to Wikipedia.

Now, turning something like that into a supernatural thriller... he has written "Blockcade Billy" as a baseball story.

Ouch!

Being a big fan in general, what I truly can't stand are his baseball writings.

802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:56:04am

"An American Werewolf In London" on Netflix... yeah, baby!

803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:57:17am

re: #801 Sergey Romanov

Ouch!

Being a big fan in general, what I truly can't stand are his baseball writing.

I didn't like "The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon", but that wasn't really about baseball anyway.

804 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:58:29am

re: #780 Alouette

I am a T-Mobile customer and I'm looking for a new smartphone plan, my current plan, which includes only dumbphones, is a total ripoff.

But what plan exist that is not a ripoff?

My Sprint plan rocks.

805 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:00:57am

re: #801 Sergey Romanov

Ouch!

Being a big fan in general, what I truly can't stand are his baseball writings.

There are authors that I do a blitz through their output and then practically never read again. Get an overdose and decide their later output is probably not worth the trouble.

Read Vonnegut in the mid-80s, got up through _Slaughterhouse 5_ and I think have only read one later novel.

Read Stephen King in the late 90s and got up through _The Stand_ and then quit. Might have read part of the the first Dark Tower book as well and decided it wasn't worth the effort. I personally think King works better in short fiction compared to the novels. And "The Raft" still creeps me out.

806 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:01:45am

re: #802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"An American Werewolf In London" on Netflix... yeah, baby!

Great movie. I rewatched it recently and it still holds up after all this time.

807 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:02:41am

Good morning lizards!

Some local news...the man in the wheelchair is one of my wife's patients.

Crosswalk bombshell: Officer texting before hitting wheelchair man

For nearly four years, the dashcam video of a County police cruiser striking a wheelchair pedestrian in a crosswalk in broad daylight was the most shocking aspect of the case. Now, a new court filing drops additional bombshells– including one that may explain how it happened.

New information revealed in the course of the victim's civil lawsuit indicates that immediately before the incident, the Albemarle officer, Gregory C. Davis, was involved in "excessive texting." Furthermore, according to the document, Officer Davis may, under oath, have intentionally downplayed his texting.

"Members of the public who have seen this video probably wondered how in the world this officer could have missed this person in a wheelchair," says attorney Richard Armstrong. "This finally explains."

Messages left with Davis, his attorney, and the chief of police were not returned; and police spokesperson Darrell Byers says the ongoing litigation prevents comment.

The November 5, 2007 accident created widespread outrage, particularly after release of the dashcam video showing clear conditions at the intersection of West Main and Fourth Streets.

Feelings were already running high since the officer went uncharged while the injured man in the wheelchair, Gerry Mitchell, was served with a ticket in his UVA hospital bed. In the months following the accident, Mitchell– a longtime AIDS sufferer– alleged that he was hit not only by a police car but by a cascade of additional health woes.

Here is the video:

Youtube Video
808 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:03:06am

Ed Morrisey think the blocking of the AT&T merger is because of political donations or something.

809 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:03:29am

re: #799 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mac and PC?

You really are bi...

/

Lol platform independent, that is me.

810 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:03:55am

re: #805 oaktree

Interesting. For me his longer books work better, though I certainly love the short stories.

811 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:07:56am

My daughters ex-boyfriend (yeah, they broke up, but still get along) who was paralyzed in the accident last summer sent her a text message the other day, the text said,

"OMG! I CAN'T FEEL MY LEGS!"

Was funny as hell.

812 Mocking Jay  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:08:26am

re: #795 iossarian

Thing is, all the carriers (to my knowledge anyway) more or less rule out tethering in the small print. So I'm not sure to what extent the VM restriction would be any different than anyone else.

I mentioned it because it's in the contract, but it's possible that if your usage wasn't astronomical they wouldn't care.

Root or jailbreak your smartphone.

813 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:09:09am

re: #810 Sergey Romanov

I think he builds characters in his longer books in a way that's not possible in the shorter ones.

814 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:10:23am

re: #813 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think he builds characters in his longer books in a way that's not possible in the shorter ones.

That's it. Too bad when all this building is for naught, like in the Dome. Still I await each of his books.

815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:12:27am

re: #814 Sergey Romanov

I really liked "The Dome".

816 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:13:20am

re: #813 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think he builds characters in his longer books in a way that's not possible in the shorter ones.

I think that is a major difference between long and short fiction. Having the time and space to build up the character development.

817 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:14:11am

Zedushka just texted me that he went to the bakery and tried to buy "little pies" like we had on our honeymoon, but they didn't have any.

I told him that I would bake "little pies" as long as he buys the ingredients and toppings.

818 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:14:21am

re: #815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I really liked "The Dome".

I enjoyed reading it up to a point. Most good guys died, and the comeuppance wasn't spectacular. Didn't leave any satisfaction. Yeah, I'm simple like that :)

819 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:15:18am

FYI, legalbgl, who has occasionally posted here and on my blog, finally got power back after losing it Sunday morning. He has two young kids, and has been staying with family but it's been a trying time for him.

Rinse and repeat for a couple hundred thousand people around NJ, 200k on Long Island, and even higher numbers in CT, and you really see the scope of this disaster hit home.

Oh, and my local rep is tracking down information for me about why NJ Transit is screwing around with New Jersey residents in our area; they consolidated trains without warning and were sticking people on trains in an unsafe manner because they were trying to get service for people located in NY (Port Jervis customers who bused down to NJ to pick up the line). There was no notification to NJ Transit users of the additional customers and no provision was made to give riders alternatives. But that's typical NJ Transit customer service for you...

820 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:15:44am

re: #677 Obdicut

I used to make them all the time as a kid. I made an atlatl too; that ruled. I could throw railroad spikes through an inch of plywood with that.

I think a trebuchet would be much more fun. Imagine gathering 100lbs of dog turds and random roadkill from around the neighborhood and launching it at the president of the homeowner's association 5 blocks away.

821 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:17:54am

re: #818 Sergey Romanov

Oh, I see your point. But I kind of enjoy books when the main bad guy basically just dies in his own puke, alone.

822 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:19:37am

re: #821 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I see your point. But I kind of enjoy books when the main bad guy basically just dies in his own puke, alone.

Could have been more painful and public for my tastes (mind you, I only want this in books ;).

823 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:20:11am

re: #820 negativ

I think a trebuchet would be much more fun. Imagine gathering 100lbs of dog turds and random roadkill from around the neighborhood and launching it at the president of the homeowner's association 5 blocks away.

My brother has 80 acres of fairly open land and I offered to get him a trebuchet kit as a birthday gift to help defend the demense. He turned me down... :p

824 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:27:12am

One of the best comeuppance scenes:

Youtube Video

I'm sure there was cheering in every theater.

825 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:28:01am

re: #808 Killgore Trout

The argument that Verizon (VZW) would seek to buy T Mobile makes little sense.

AT&T and T Mobile both use GSM, which is why they were hoping to merge so as to consolidate service and expand reach in urban areas where both systems lag behind coverage for VZW. It was meant to better compete with VZW, which has far better coverage and more customers than either of the other two individually.

Verizon uses CDMA. They aren't compatible systems. Sprint also uses CDMA, so they really aren't a potential suitor either.

In other words, the tech angle would preclude any of those other deals and explains why this merger was sought in the first place.

As for the political angle, I think he falls short there as well.

826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:32:30am

re: #822 Sergey Romanov

I wish I could remember the book, but the (really, really) bad guy is shot with some type of tranquilizer that shuts down his entire body except for his brain and awareness. Makes him essentially immortal, and he's in deep-sea diving gear a thousand feet below the ice.

Just enough light to make out shapes, but trapped for eternity.

Nobody saw that happen, but what a freakin' outcome.

827 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:33:34am

re: #826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Intriguing.

828 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:34:41am

re: #825 lawhawk

The argument that Verizon (VZW) would seek to buy T Mobile makes little sense.

AT&T and T Mobile both use GSM, which is why they were hoping to merge so as to consolidate service and expand reach in urban areas where both systems lag behind coverage for VZW. It was meant to better compete with VZW, which has far better coverage and more customers than either of the other two individually.

Verizon uses CDMA. They aren't compatible systems. Sprint also uses CDMA, so they really aren't a potential suitor either.

In other words, the tech angle would preclude any of those other deals and explains why this merger was sought in the first place.

As for the political angle, I think he falls short there as well.

I haven't looked into it but it's probably an antitrst thing. Either way, it doesn't effect my life any so they can do whatever they want.

829 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:35:06am

re: #529 imp_62

re: #521 ggt

In a few minutes I will grab something and hit the sack. It's been a long day, but all my favourite lizards are here atm...

ò_ó

830 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:38:58am

re: #826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wish I could remember the book, but the (really, really) bad guy is shot with some type of tranquilizer that shuts down his entire body except for his brain and awareness. Makes him essentially immortal, and he's in deep-sea diving gear a thousand feet below the ice.

Just enough light to make out shapes, but trapped for eternity.

Nobody saw that happen, but what a freakin' outcome.

I remember that scene! But can't remember the title or the author. I normally do not read sci-fi. Maybe it was just an excerpt that I read online.

831 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:40:11am

It's kinda tough to keep a VPN connection to home when one's home modem decides to drop connection on you.

832 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:43:18am

Not sure about the source on this one, but the headline was certainly a grabber.

Israel to give Jewish settlers gas and grenades

833 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:44:21am

I just went on the Verizon site and looked up their plans.

Utterly. Fucking. Confusing.

834 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:46:33am

re: #832 thedopefishlives

Not sure about the source on this one, but the headline was certainly a grabber.

Israel to give Jewish settlers gas and grenades

Independent. So freaking moonbat, they make The Guardian look like Fox.

835 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:47:20am

DWTS is getting grief about selecting Chaz Bono.

Oh for pity's sake, it's a cheesy reality show! Who cares. When did this stuff become important?

(My personal opinion is that Chaz Bono has little possibility of winning. The winners are usually career performers or star athletes.)

836 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:50:07am

re: #834 Alouette

Independent. So freaking moonbat, they make The Guardian look like Fox.

My thoughts on the article: Tear gas and stun grenades. It'd be enough to put the kibosh on a riot or similar until the IDF can arrive to handle things more professionally. Now, when can I get my hands on some?

(semi-sarc on the last sentence)

837 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:50:12am

re: #834 Alouette

Independent. So freaking moonbat, they make The Guardian look like Fox.

They also kind of ignore the fact that the settlers are already pretty well armed and they are being given non-lethal alternatives as a way to save Palestinian lives when they idiotically storm the gates. If the Palestinian leadership cared as much for Palestinian lives the world would be a better place.

838 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:52:07am

re: #596 Varek Raith

Pat Buchanan Decries Lack Of Affirmative Action For ‘White Males’
Lol.

ͼ_ͼ

839 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:53:36am

Fischer: Being Christian makes you a better American

840 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:53:39am

re: #837 Killgore Trout

They also kind of ignore the fact that the settlers are already pretty well armed and they are being given non-lethal alternatives as a way to save Palestinian lives when they idiotically storm the gates. If the Palestinian leadership cared as much for Palestinian lives the world would be a better place.

They are fully expecting that after the "declaration of independence" the Palestinians will try to exercise their newly declared freedom by going out and murdering a bunch of Jews.

841 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:53:46am

re: #826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

In KA Applegate's Remnants series, 80 people are put into hibernation on a space ship in order to escape the destruction of the Earth by an asteroid. For one of those people, the hibernation technology malfunctions, and does not stop his brain. So Billy Weir remains totally paralyzed yet fully conscious. For 500 years.
Similar to the above is Larry Niven's short story "Wait it Out", in which an astronaut stranded on Pluto tries to survive by using the planet's frigid environment to put him in cryostasis - only to discover that by a quirk of physics he remains fully conscious and aware of the excruciating cold.
Of course, neither of the previous two would actually work, since thought requires electrical impulses, which means energy expenditure, and therefore all the stuff the bloodstream brings (like food and air). Without a working circulatory system, if the brain didn't stop functioning, the cells would starve in a matter of minutes and die of (essentially) suffocation.
Niven handwaves this by claiming that in such extreme cold the brain and nervous system become superconductors through which electric currents (and therefore consciousness and sensations) continue to flow, but very sluggishly so that days seem like minutes. It works if you don't think too hard about it.
The Remnants example at least has the indication that the hibernation process doesn't completely stop cellular respiration, only slow it down a great deal (the hibernators are given feeding tubes to provide for their "minimal nutrition requirements" during the voyage). It's still a stretch, though.

842 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:58:17am

re: #826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or maybe this:

In the book Ice Hunt, researchers find a giant iceberg where somebody had been doing suspended animation experiments decades ago. The research says that he had to put the subjects to sleep before suspending them. One explorer finds out why when he uses some of the suspended animation serum when he gets trapped in a pod as the whole place collapses - while suspended, the subject cannot sense anything, but is completely conscious — the guy realizes this as his pod lands at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean.

843 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:58:56am

re: #839 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: Being Christian makes you a better American

"Better" in what way? I'll agree with the argument that showing charity and basic human decency because your faith preaches such is a good thing. We benefit not only as a nation, but as a people, when we're looking out for each other and contributing to the well-being of others.

But when your faith says that the laws should be written such that persons who a centuries old fairy tale book says are "sinners" be made illegal or treated like second-class citizens, then no, that's not "better" by any stretch of the imagination.

Somehow, I don't get the feeling Mr. Fischer is talking about the first example so much as the second.

844 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:59:46am

REPORT: 25 Corporations Paid More To Their CEO Last Year Than They Paid In Taxes

– Of last year’s 100 highest-paid corporate chief executives in the United States, 25 took home more in CEO pay than their company paid in 2010 federal income taxes.

– These 25 CEOs averaged $16.7 million, well above last year’s $10.8 million average for S&P 500 CEOs. Most of the companies they ran actually came out ahead at tax time, collecting tax refunds from the IRS that averaged $304 million.

– CEOs in 22 of these 25 firms enjoyed pay increases in 2010. In 13 of these companies, CEO paychecks ratcheted up while the corporate income tax bill either declined or the size of the corporate tax refund expanded.

Included amongst the 25 are well-known corporate behemoths like General Electric, Boeing, Verizon, and Ebay. Prudential CEO John Strangfeld, in one example, made $16.2 million last year while his company reaped a $722 million tax refund. Bank of New York Mellon CEO Robert Kelly received $19.4 million, after his bank got a $670 million tax refund.

845 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:00:41am

re: #844 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

REPORT: 25 Corporations Paid More To Their CEO Last Year Than They Paid In Taxes

What, how can this be? Surely everyone knows that corporations and the rich are taxed so heavily, that it's a wonder they have two pennies to rub together these days. Now the poor, that's where all the money is!

///

846 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:01:18am

re: #830 Alouette

It was a book at the polar ice caps... some type of Chimera had survived over the centuries... wreakin' havoc on the scientists...

847 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:02:21am

re: #843 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Better" in what way? ...
Somehow, I don't get the feeling Mr. Fischer is talking about the first example so much as the second.

Better as in, deserving more rights and government perks than the rest, including the right to rule all others.

848 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:03:02am

re: #845 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They've got the best accountants!

849 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:06:41am

re: #847 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Better as in, deserving more rights and government perks than the rest, including the right to rule all others.

They've got a word for that, but they don't like being asked about it.

850 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:06:49am

Nothing like coming home from a job well done.
Even if it's part time.

Sup?

851 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:09:16am

re: #841 Sergey Romanov

In the Stephen King short story The Jaunt, the eponymous teleportation process is instantaneous in physical terms, but anyone making the trip while conscious experiences nothing for endless eons of time. "Longer than you think!"

And then there's that wife whose murderous husband Jaunted her without an endpoint, leaving her Jaunted forever and ever and ever. And then tried to get out of the murder charge because there was no proof she was dead. The court, horrified at the implication, threw the book at him as hard and as fast as they could.

852 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:09:46am

re: #850 Varek Raith

Nothing like coming home from a job well done.
Even if it's part time.

Sup?

Keeping an eye on Katia, wondering if God's painted a bullseye on my house somewhere that I can't see.

853 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:10:34am

re: #851 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my favorite stories, esp. as it references Bester.

854 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:10:56am

re: #852 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Keeping an eye on Katia, wondering if God's painted a bullseye on my house somewhere that I can't see.

No, that was me with the laser designator. Sorry.

855 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:11:18am

re: #852 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Keeping an eye on Katia, wondering if God's painted a bullseye on my house somewhere that I can't see.

Yeah, I'm watching that one too.
Tonight at 11, a gamma ray burst hits Virginia home of anonymous LGF commenter.

856 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:11:56am

re: #852 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Keeping an eye on KatRiNa, wondering if God's painted a bullseye on my house somewhere that I can't see.

Uh... Oh...

857 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:12:50am

Clearly God hates Cantor.
Clearly.
/

858 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:13:45am

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859 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:13:57am

re: #856 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh... Oh...

Yeah, she's expected to be Cat-3 by this weekend, with her track slowly creeping farther and farther north as she clips along at around 20mph.

Kept saying after Irene did so little damage around here and left the power on that karma would bite my ass hard before the year was out. Somehow, I think God was listening...

860 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:14:15am

re: #842 Sergey Romanov

Or maybe this:

That's it! Holy shit! Thanks!

It was a highly entertaining book.

861 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:15:59am

Note to self: Don't park anywhere near where a construction vehicle might need to tread.

Unless I feel like being moved.

862 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:16:54am

re: #853 Sergey Romanov

One of my favorite stories, esp. as it references Bester.

Been a while since I read it.

Then we have 40K

- A Chaos Marine, feeling remorseful about abandoning his loyalty to the Emperor, decides to kill the leader of the warband he is in. However, the attempted assassination is botched and the traitor is knocked unconscious and captured. He awakes in total darkness, unable to move or speak. He awaits his coming torture and interrogation, but it never arrives. The story ends as he realises he has been placed inside a Dreadnaught coffin, effectively granting him immortality but sealing him off from the world forever.

- Surely the God Emperor's immortal suffering on the golden throne for the last 10 millenia qualifies. To illuminate the situation, he is in next to unimaginable amounts of pain due to the fact that most of his musculature has literally rotted off, is completely aware of the fate of His Imperium, fights creatures that would make Cthulu herself run in fear and terror, and, to be frank, has two tubes shoved into his groin (One for urine, another for feces), and another three down his throat, and about three more in both his arms, both for the feeding of nutrients and the funneling and filtration of His blood. None of these supply any form of medication to alleviate his suffering.

- One of the few surviving Eldar gods was spared from death by Slaanesh because he/she/it wanted to "claim" her. Her fate got better ever so slightly, for was rescued by Nurgle who's smitten with her. However, Nurgle keeps her in a cage and loves to give her "presents", and since this is Nurgle, all of his "presents" are horrible mutations and diseases. Nurgle's servants don't count because they enjoy this sort of thing.

863 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:17:21am

re: #861 thedopefishlives

Note to self: Don't park anywhere near where a construction vehicle might need to tread.

Unless I feel like being moved.

Heh.
[Link: www.doucheparking.com...]

864 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:17:35am

Good one:

In The Berkut by Joseph Heywood, Hitler is captured alive by the Soviet Union at the end of the Second World War. Stalin has him imprisoned, naked, in a hanging cage deep in a sub-basement of the Kremlin. The cage is too small for Hitler to stand or lie or even extend his limbs fully. He is thus unable to sleep for more than a short time before the pain from his joints wakes him. He is never allowed to leave the cage, even to urinate or defecate, and is not allowed to wash, so he is forced to live in his own filth. One leg and the other foot become infected and later have to be amputated to keep him alive. Over many years he degenerates into a senile bestial creature. And Stalin visits him every week to gloat.

865 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:17:54am

re: #843 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

My Book's (OT) better than your book (NT). / or is it /

866 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:18:29am

re: #657 Obdicut

And yet beauty breaks through.

This is from Oakland. The dance is being danced in memory of one of the young men's brother, who was killed in a car accident on that corner.

[Video]

How can such a simple thing be so powerful?

867 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:18:38am

re: #863 Varek Raith

Heh.
[Link: www.doucheparking.com...]

I could report all kinds of people for that here. The parking garage I park in has designated "Compact Car" spots. People apparently don't realize that the reason those are designated "Compact Car" is because when you park your goddamn SUV there, it's next to impossible for drivers trying to enter/exit the row to get around the corner.

868 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:19:47am

Lol.
Image: 2010-08-03_optimusprime_1cf24fd0-fb88-4dc2-b2d1-fb15ac246006.jpg

869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:22:06am

Heh... the movie theater scene in "An American Werewolf In London."

Porn movie.
Man walks in on a couple; says, "I told you never to do this sort of thing again!"
The nekkid man says, "I never promised you any such thing!"
Clothed man says, "Not you, you twit! Her!"
The woman says, "I've never seen you before in my life!"
Clothed man "pause... oh. Sorry." walks out of the room.

Porn rocks.

870 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:23:01am

Then there's the Real Life section:

In 1980, a man named Ernest Cohoe was attacked by a bear in Banff National Park. Investigators recovered "the upper part of Cohoe's jaw and mouth with nine teeth, his nose, and a large piece of his cheek." The worst part? Even though he was missing most of his face, it took him a week to die.

871 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:24:40am

re: #866 b_sharp

Ahem... I'm waiting on your physician's report.

872 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:25:24am

re: #858 Varek Raith

TS Katia, which is another Cape Verde-type storm that is likely to go hurricane and then may menace the East Coast of the US - along much of the same real estate hit by Irene.

So far, the models are keeping it well offshore, which would be great for the surfers and residents of the East Coast. I don't see the models shifting towards a US landfall, but this storm is still too far from being at a point where you can be certain it wont make landfall. The ensemble mean has it potentially hitting up in the Canadian Maritime, but that's pushing the limits of the model. I think we'll have a better sense of whether Katia will make a US landfall by Monday am (with landfall running towards the middle to end of next week if it happens).

873 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:26:10am

Name her Katyusha already.

874 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:27:34am

Ah, idiots.
Image: epic-fail-photos-showing-off-fail.jpg

875 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:28:26am

re: #874 Varek Raith

Ah, idiots.
Image: epic-fail-photos-showing-off-fail.jpg

Hey! Blaming the victim! /

876 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:29:49am

This is hilarious:

Outlines of 'HillaryCare' were known before Perry wrote letter praising reform effort
By NBC's Carrie Dann

Gov. Rick Perry may face an old political ghost from his tenure as Texas Agriculture Commisioner -- a complimentary letter he wrote in 1993 to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton to urge her to consider the needs rural residents as she drafted what would later be derided as "Hillarycare."

In the letter, dated April 6, 1993, Perry wrote to Clinton, “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable."

He went on to request that the health-care task force consider the unique needs of "farmers, ranchers, and agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities."

Perry campaign strategist Dave Carney told The Daily Caller, which first reported on the letter yesterday, that Perry would not have known the specifics of the policy at the time. "The letter was at the onset of her efforts before she proposed anything," he said. "No one could have imagined the horrible monstrosity she cooked up, in fact, not to be outdone until 'ObamaCare' years later."

It is true that the precise details of the plan were unclear at the time and the process of hashing out the policy was (now infamously) noteably opaque. But some of the broad goals of the legislation were being reported at the same time Perry was penning praise to Clinton.
According to a Los Angles Times report from April 5, 1993, the plan was designed to, in part:

* Guarantee that a uniform package of basic benefits will be available to everyone, although not all the uninsured will get this coverage right away. Among the basic benefits would be hospital and doctor services, including mental health care, and some prescription drug coverage.

* Create a standardized insurance form and bar insurers from refusing to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions, in order to enable people to change jobs-and insurers-without fear of losing coverage.

* Enact tort reforms to reduce medical malpractice litigation.

* Impose a price freeze on private-sector medical providers while the system of cooperatives is phased in, a process that could take three to five years.

* Phase in a requirement for employers to provide workers with health
insurance, with government subsidies to help the smaller businesses.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

877 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:30:08am

re: #872 lawhawk

TS Katia, which is another Cape Verde-type storm that is likely to go hurricane and then may menace the East Coast of the US - along much of the same real estate hit by Irene.

So far, the models are keeping it well offshore, which would be great for the surfers and residents of the East Coast. I don't see the models shifting towards a US landfall, but this storm is still too far from being at a point where you can be certain it wont make landfall. The ensemble mean has it potentially hitting up in the Canadian Maritime, but that's pushing the limits of the model. I think we'll have a better sense of whether Katia will make a US landfall by Monday am (with landfall running towards the middle to end of next week if it happens).

Well, that's a bit more reassuring. Thanks, though I have a feeling that my old man won't listen to such logic. Something about old age makes men sure that their logic is infallible and anybody more than 20 years their junior simply don't know what they're talking about.

Le sigh.

878 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:34:23am

GENTLEMEN, behold! I have killed this thread! And in retrospect, I ask "Why?"

879 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:38:34am

re: #878 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

GENTLEMEN, behold! I have killed this thread! And in retrospect, I ask "Why?"

Image: epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-counting-is-hard.jpg

880 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:39:30am

re: #787 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy freakin' crap!!!
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Highly original. I'd rate him at 650 millibachmanns.

881 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:39:55am

re: #879 Varek Raith

Image: epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-counting-is-har d.jpg

5/4ths of people don't understand fractions.

882 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:43:32am

Morning folks. This is how grateful Kosovo is for NATO intervention.

883 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:46:21am

re: #882 laZardo

Morning folks. This is how grateful Kosovo is for NATO intervention.

Sorry, but given this title I've got to ask: are you fucking drunk or what?

884 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:46:53am

re: #882 laZardo

Morning folks. This is how grateful Kosovo is for NATO intervention.

that's not a country, it's an individual....note the difference?

885 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:48:07am

re: #883 Sergey Romanov

Sorry, but given this title I've got to ask: are you fucking drunk or what?

I apologize if it sounded stalkerish. But all this optimism about Libya recently has started to sound a lot like how optimistic the wingnuts were about Iraq at the "Mission Acomplished!" stage. I just tend to take such optimism with the entire salt shaker, and would like to point out exactly what "liberating" these countries has gotten us in return.

886 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:48:15am

re: #882 laZardo

Come on, man, that's not even...
Nevermind.
:/

887 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:48:27am

re: #871 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ahem... I'm waiting on your physician's report.

Had to reschedule to 3:10 CST.

888 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:49:46am

re: #885 laZardo

I apologize if it sounded stalkerish. But all this optimism about Libya recently has started to sound a lot like how optimistic the wingnuts were about Iraq at the "Mission Acomplished!" stage. I just tend to take such optimism with the entire salt shaker, and would like to point out exactly what "liberating" these countries has gotten us in return.

There's nothing about Kosovo response to US in that article. Which illustrates well the fact that you have to stretch from Seattle to Belgrade to make a point.

889 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:50:39am

re: #885 laZardo

I apologize if it sounded stalkerish. But all this optimism about Libya recently has started to sound a lot like how optimistic the wingnuts were about Iraq at the "Mission Acomplished!" stage. I just tend to take such optimism with the entire salt shaker, and would like to point out exactly what "liberating" these countries has gotten us in return.

Yes yes, we know, dictators are better left in power because the downtrodden masses are simply too stupid to rule themselves. *rolls eyes*

890 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:50:51am

re: #882 laZardo

Morning folks. This is how grateful Kosovo is for NATO intervention.

And this, folks, is how far left America is.

891 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:52:02am

Who wants some beer*?
Image: epic-win-photos-balance-win.jpg

*Not you, laZardo :P*

892 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:52:44am

re: #889 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yes yes, we know, dictators are better left in power because the downtrodden masses are simply too stupid to rule themselves. *rolls eyes*

They should be able to liberate themselves like they did in Tunisia and Egypt. The alternative is not pretty, I agree. But it beats the prolonged, deepened discontent like the one we've gotten from "liberating" Iraq and Afghanistan.

893 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:52:58am

So ,, when I was leaving for work last night I put the trash barrel out by the curb as today is pick up day here

Got home this afternoon and went to throw a last bag of trash in the barrel before the truck arrives
Open said barrel and WOW ,, whatastink

Sometime in the middle of the night someone decided MY barrel would be a good place to throw their dirty disposable diapers into

And you all think YOU have problems!?!?

//

894 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:53:36am

re: #891 Varek Raith

Who wants some beer*?
Image: epic-win-photos-balance-win.jpg

*Not you, laZardo :P*

I'd hire the waitress instead!

895 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:54:04am

re: #894 sattv4u2

I'd hire the waitress instead!

What would your wife say?

896 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:54:16am

re: #892 laZardo

They should be able to liberate themselves like they did in Tunisia and Egypt. The alternative is not pretty, I agree. But it beats the prolonged, deepened discontent we get from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do tell, when did we engage in ground operations in Libya? Did I miss the M1s driving into Green Square? The US flag being hoisted over Gaddafi's compound? What about this whole deal, besides NATO airpower playing a part, makes Libya a replay of Iraq and Afghanistan?

897 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:55:17am

re: #895 Sergey Romanov

What would your wife say?

"Miss, when you get a chance, could I have some more water?"

898 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:55:36am

re: #895 Sergey Romanov

What would your wife say?

Image: dating-fails-be-very-afraid.jpg
/

899 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:55:52am

So, Park51 opens with little fanfare and an interfaith event, and most everyone goes on with their lives. The Interfaith event included an Iftar dinner and fundraising event for a Christian food pantry:

The iftar dinner to break the Ramadan fast also served as a donation drive for the soup kitchen at St. Francis Xavier Church on West 15th Street.

But Rosaleen Tallon, whose brother, firefighter Sean Tallon, was killed in the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks, said no amount of openness from Park51 will make her accept the mosque in its current location.

“I have nothing against the mosque. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with respect,” Tallon told Metro. “We want it moved and we will continue fighting. This is whitewashing history. The people who someday enter this mosque may not be so pure of heart.”

Community Board One president Julie Menin was thrilled to hear of the interfaith event, however.
“It’s the first one that I’ve heard of,” she said. “This is exactly the kind of component that the community board wanted.”

The reporters find one person who has an issue with the location. By the logic highlighted above, could not any church or shul be closed or forced to move for the same reason - that some Christian or Jewish nut carries out a terror attack in what they claim to be on a mission from god.

Media Matters picked up on Dick Morris' ongoing smears of Park51 as well..

900 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:56:00am

re: #895 Sergey Romanov

What would your wife say?

"About time you got me some help."

901 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:56:17am

re: #896 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Do tell, when did we engage in ground operations in Libya? Did I miss the M1s driving into Green Square? The US flag being hoisted over Gaddafi's compound? What about this whole deal, besides NATO airpower playing a part, makes Libya a replay of Iraq and Afghanistan?

The SAS, as well as a number of private military companies, have been secretly training the rebels. "Officially" we do not have any boots on the ground.

Oh, and there is the fact that these rebels aren't exactly united.

902 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:56:26am

re: #895 Sergey Romanov

My wife would say make sure that there's a Guinness among that batch!!!!

903 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:57:05am

re: #902 lawhawk

My wife would say make sure that there's a Guinness among that batch!!!

Why ,, she going for a World Record!?!?!

/

904 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:57:51am

re: #899 lawhawk

Heh. Their official site advertised a Ramadan "Fast-a-Thon."

905 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:57:59am

The body count from the past 6 months has topped 50,000 in Libya according to some reports.

906 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:58:11am

This is just awesome.
Image: epic-win-photos-lava-win.jpg

907 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:58:16am

re: #899 lawhawk

So, Park51 opens with little fanfare and an interfaith event, and most everyone goes on with their lives. The Interfaith event included an Iftar dinner and fundraising event for a Christian food pantry:

The reporters find one person who has an issue with the location. By the logic highlighted above, could not any church or shul be closed or forced to move for the same reason - that some Christian or Jewish nut carries out a terror attack in what they claim to be on a mission from god.

Media Matters picked up on Dick Morris' ongoing smears of Park51 as well..

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Earth supposed to open up, free Cthulhu and then swallow the mosque?

908 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:58:26am

re: #899 lawhawk

By the logic highlighted above, could not any church or shul be closed or forced to move for the same reason - that some Christian or Jewish nut carries out a terror attack in what they claim to be on a mission from god.

Exactly.

The bigots' logic: hijackers were Muslim, therefore no mosque (it's not a mosque, but whatever).

Mirror logic: hijackers were religious, therefore no mosques, churches or synagogues.

909 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:58:54am

re: #887 b_sharp

I know it's none of my business. But when it comes to Carpenters? I'm Karen.

910 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:58:54am

re: #901 laZardo

The SAS, as well as a number of private military companies, have been secretly training the rebels. "Officially" we do not have any boots on the ground.

Oh, and there is the fact that these rebels aren't exactly united.

Oh good fraking lord, I hope you warmed up before you made that stretch, else you might pull something.

Seriously, what about the anti-Mubarak movement was organized? The protesters were all over the board, from those who were pushing a secular democracy to the much maligned Muslim Brotherhood. And had the Army stayed on Mubarak's side, as so much of it did with Gaddafi in the beginning, then we wouldn't be talking about a free Egypt. We'd still be talking about "President" Mubarak.

911 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:04am

re: #906 Varek Raith

This is just awesome.
Image: epic-win-photos-lava-win.jpg

They look like cinnamon buns in an oven
//

912 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:18am

re: #905 lawhawk

The body count from the past 6 months has topped 50,000 in Libya according to some reports.

Well, that's rebels' tolls. Divide by 10.

913 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:32am

re: #906 Varek Raith

Isn't that the eye of Sauron in the distance.... /

914 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:57am

re: #906 Varek Raith

If you drop your keys in there? Just let 'em go, man. 'Cause they're gone.

915 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:01:18am

re: #908 Sergey Romanov

Exactly.

The bigots' logic: hijackers were Muslim, therefore no mosque (it's not a mosque, but whatever).

Mirror logic: hijackers were religious, therefore no mosques, churches or synagogues.

And while we're at it:

Response to mirror logic: but Christians and religious Jews don't blah blah blah.

Response to response: most Muslims don't either.

916 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:01:50am

re: #909 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know it's none of business. But when it comes to Carpenters? I'm Karen.

That's OK. When it comes to puppets, I'm Pinocchio.

No, I have no clue what you said.

917 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:02:00am

re: #913 lawhawk

Isn't that the eye of Sauron in the distance... /

GREAT SCOTT!
Image: epic-win-photos-great-scott-win.jpg

918 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:02:05am

re: #899 lawhawk

So, Park51 opens with little fanfare and an interfaith event, and most everyone goes on with their lives. The Interfaith event included an Iftar dinner and fundraising event for a Christian food pantry:

The reporters find one person who has an issue with the location. By the logic highlighted above, could not any church or shul be closed or forced to move for the same reason - that some Christian or Jewish nut carries out a terror attack in what they claim to be on a mission from god.

Media Matters picked up on Dick Morris' ongoing smears of Park51 as well..

Pam is still promoting her rally today. Sadly she make no mention of her Freedom flotilla that was going to sail around the world freeing people from Islam.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of attendance the rally gets.

919 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:02:29am

re: #911 sattv4u2

They look like cinnamon buns in an oven
//

As long as they aren't your buns.

920 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:03:07am

re: #914 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you drop your keys in there? Just let 'em go, man. 'Cause they're gone.

So it was actually the ONE KEYRING Sauron was trying to retrieve. And when Gollum volcanoed it Sauron's wife killed him for leaving them locked out of the house.

921 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:03:21am

re: #919 b_sharp

As long as they aren't your buns.

MA!!! B_ is looking at my buns!!

922 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:03:56am

re: #910 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You asked if we had any active ground operations in Libya, I pointed out our active ground operations in Libya. What the hell, man.

Oh good fraking lord, I hope you warmed up before you made that stretch, else you might pull something.

Seriously, what about the anti-Mubarak movement was organized? The protesters were all over the board, from those who were pushing a secular democracy to the much maligned Muslim Brotherhood. And had the Army stayed on Mubarak's side, as so much of it did with Gaddafi in the beginning, then we wouldn't be talking about a free Egypt. We'd still be talking about "President" Mubarak.

The army is still technically leading the country in the interim. And the "Ikhwan" stand a very strong chance of winning the elections, because they know how to play politics. Being the largest suppressed opposition group by the government we sponsored does help.

In any event, the Egyptians threw off (some of?) the shackles of their dictatorship by themselves and for THAT they deserve the credit. Perhaps the Army does too, at least in the sense that they knew that the world was watching their moves as well and they would have been held very accountable if they were perceived to crack down.

923 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:04:59am

re: #921 sattv4u2

MA!!! B_ is looking at my buns!!

No, just the tattoo of Sigmund Freud.

924 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:05:36am

re: #910 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And had the Army stayed on Mubarak's side, as so much of it did with Gaddafi in the beginning, then we wouldn't be talking about a free Egypt.

too early yet to tell how that's going to shake out, imho. So I would be cautious to use that as an "example'

925 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:05:51am

re: #922 laZardo

And the two sorta neighbors to Egypt (Libya and Syria) have handled their outbreaks of unrest by shooting their own citizens wholesale.

926 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:06:01am

re: #916 b_sharp

It's stupid, but least I'm consistently stupid.

It makes great sense and is funny if you're in my head.

927 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:06:09am

re: #923 b_sharp

No, just the tattoo of Sigmund Freud.

Got a cigar?

928 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:06:13am

re: #842 Sergey Romanov

In the book Ice Hunt, researchers find a giant iceberg where somebody had been doing suspended animation experiments decades ago. The research says that he had to put the subjects to sleep before suspending them. One explorer finds out why when he uses some of the suspended animation serum when he gets trapped in a pod as the whole place collapses - while suspended, the subject cannot sense anything, but is completely conscious — the guy realizes this as his pod lands at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean.

Yes! That's the book!

929 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:06:24am

re: #923 b_sharp

re: #927 sattv4u2

Got a cigar?

Or a dream??

930 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:06:59am

re: #925 oaktree

And the two sorta neighbors to Egypt (Libya and Syria) have handled their outbreaks of unrest by shooting their own citizens wholesale.

And Bahrain too. We let our friends the Saudis take care of that.

931 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:07:00am

re: #926 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's stupid, but least I'm consistently stupid.

It makes great sense and is funny if you're in my head.

Maybe you should post a sign on your forehead SPACE FOR RENT

932 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:08:13am

re: #929 sattv4u2

re: #927 sattv4u2


Or a dream??

If you dream a little dream do you get a cigarette instead?

933 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:08:53am

re: #907 b_sharp

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Earth supposed to open up, free Cthulhu and then swallow the mosque?

Cthulhu does not give two shits about whose symbol of faith he chooses to swallow. O_O

934 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:09:37am

re: #926 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's stupid, but least I'm consistently stupid.

It makes great sense and is funny if you're in my head.

Is there room in your head for visitors?

935 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:09:48am

re: #931 sattv4u2

Maybe you should post a sign on your forehead SPACE FOR RENT

Stuart Mackenzie: Look at the size of that boy's heed.
Stuart Mackenzie: I'm not kidding, it's like an orange on a toothpick.
Tony Giardino: Shhh, you're going to give the boy a complex.
Stuart Mackenzie: Well, that's a huge noggin. That's a virtual planetoid.
Tony Giardino: Shh!
Stuart Mackenzie: Has it's own weather system.
Tony Giardino: Sh, sh, shh.
Stuart Mackenzie: HEAD! MOVE!

My head is purdy big...

936 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:10:08am

re: #932 oaktree

If you dream a little dream do you get a cigarette instead?

Depends (double entendre)

937 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:12:46am

re: #929 sattv4u2

re: #927 sattv4u2

Or a dream??

I can't imagine what you would do with both. Ids totally beyond me.

938 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:15:17am

re: #937 b_sharp

I can't imagine what you would do with both. Ids totally beyond me.

where's Veggie

Ego to check it out??

939 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:15:39am

re: #922 laZardo

You asked if we had any active ground operations in Libya, I pointed out our active ground operations in Libya. What the hell, man.

Yeah, I've seen wingnuts make the same argument in recent days as backhanded swipes at Obama. Same with arguing the definition of "boots on the ground." Even had one try to tell me that we probably have had said "boots" killed fighting over there, but Obama's keeping them under wraps because it would hurt his reelection chances.

Reality is, we're not doing the fighting for the Libyan rebels. We're providing training, we're providing materiel, we're lasing targets for air strikes and coordinating air support. But we're not leading the charge, else we'd have been talking 6 weeks, not 6 months.

The army is still technically leading the country in the interim. And the "Ikhwan" stand a very strong chance of winning the elections, because they know how to play politics. Being the largest suppressed opposition group by the government we sponsored does help.

In any event, the Egyptians threw off (some of?) the shackles of their dictatorship by themselves and for THAT they deserve the credit. Perhaps the Army does too, at least in the sense that they knew that the world was watching their moves as well and they would have been held very accountable if they were perceived to crack down.

The Army are opportunists, who worried more about the world coming down on their heads than they did loyalty to their "President." Otherwise, they'd have been just as willing to turn their guns on the protestors as their counterparts in Libya and Syria. The Egyptian people didn't throw off the shackles, the Army simply traded them out for new ones.

940 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:15:46am

re: #935 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stuart Mackenzie: I'm not kidding, that boy's heed is like Sputnik; spherical but quite pointy at parts! Now that was offside, wasn't it? He'll be crying himself to sleep tonight, on his huge pillow.

941 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:17:32am

re: #938 sattv4u2

where's Veggie

Ego to check it out??

Well, isn't that just super.

942 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:18:01am

re: #941 b_sharp

Well, isn't that just super.

well played, sir

943 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:18:41am

re: #941 b_sharp

your structure was super!

944 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #942 sattv4u2

well played, sir

Sorry, I was just becoming hysterical.

945 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:21:52am

re: #944 b_sharp

Sorry, I was just becoming hysterical.

heh,,, and all this time i thought you were an agnostic

Do the hystericals have an initiation ritual?

946 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:22:14am

re: #943 sattv4u2

your structure was super!

That's good to know. Since I'm not Jung any more, I thought I might need therapy.

947 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:22:28am

re: #940 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stuart Mackenzie: I'm not kidding, that boy's heed is like Sputnik; spherical but quite pointy at parts! Now that was offside, wasn't it? He'll be crying himself to sleep tonight, on his huge pillow.

is there any movie you HAVEN'T seen !!?!?!

948 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:23:21am

re: #938 sattv4u2

where's Veggie

Ego to check it out??

Not figuratively a big head, you idiot.

I've got a large melon on me shoulders.

949 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:24:20am

re: #945 sattv4u2

heh,,, and all this time i thought you were an agnostic

Do the hystericals have an initiation ritual?

Yes, they love their mothers.

950 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:24:53am

re: #946 b_sharp

That's good to know. Since I'm not Jung any more, I thought I might need therapy.

Therapy might help you find where you need to be

You know, your own Nietzsche

951 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:25:28am

re: #947 sattv4u2

I do love movies.

952 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:25:38am

re: #949 b_sharp

Yes, they love their mothers.

I've been called a mother. Does someone love me??!?!?

953 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:26:01am

re: #951 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do love movies.

ya think!?!?

954 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:26:53am

re: #948 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not figuratively a big head, you idiot.

I've got a large melon on me shoulders.

You been talking to my wife?

955 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:28:48am

re: #950 sattv4u2

Therapy might help you find where you need to be

You know, your own Nietzsche

It was either Hume or me, or Sartre without me.

956 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:30:39am

re: #952 sattv4u2

I've been called a mother. Does someone love me??!?!?

Oedipus 'n boots or net stockings.

957 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:31:03am

re: #954 sattv4u2

You been talking to my wife?

She talks in her sleep.

958 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:31:52am

Looks like I'm playing with myself.

959 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:32:49am

re: #958 b_sharp

Looks like I'm playing with myself.

Don't keep it up for too long, you'll go blind.

960 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:34:36am

re: #959 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Don't keep it up for too long, you'll go blind.

Is that a new comment I see? Kinda fuzzy.

961 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:34:37am

re: #893 sattv4u2

So ,, when I was leaving for work last night I put the trash barrel out by the curb as today is pick up day here

Got home this afternoon and went to throw a last bag of trash in the barrel before the truck arrives
Open said barrel and WOW ,, whatastink

Sometime in the middle of the night someone decided MY barrel would be a good place to throw their dirty disposable diapers into

And you all think YOU have problems!?!?

//

Normally, a story like that also involves a dog getting into the garbage and [censored].

962 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:39:30am

re: #939 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've seen wingnuts make the same argument in recent days as backhanded swipes at Obama. Same with arguing the definition of "boots on the ground." Even had one try to tell me that we probably have had said "boots" killed fighting over there, but Obama's keeping them under wraps because it would hurt his reelection chances.

Reality is, we're not doing the fighting for the Libyan rebels. We're providing training, we're providing materiel, we're lasing targets for air strikes and coordinating air support. But we're not leading the charge, else we'd have been talking 6 weeks, not 6 months.

The Army are opportunists, who worried more about the world coming down on their heads than they did loyalty to their "President." Otherwise, they'd have been just as willing to turn their guns on the protestors as their counterparts in Libya and Syria. The Egyptian people didn't throw off the shackles, the Army simply traded them out for new ones.

We've learned a little from our previous campaigns over the last few years, but covert support belies our intentions as much as overt support.

The Egyptian military is more "modern" compared to the Cold War surplus Libya. Oh, and did I mention that we armed them? It wouldn't look nice on our side if the weapons we gave them (and not the ones that found "new owners" over the years) were used for wholesale slaughter.

963 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:47:50am

re: #962 laZardo

We've learned a little from our previous campaigns over the last few years, but covert support belies our intentions as much as overt support.

So, what of all the world governments freezing Mubarak's assets? Or blocking/ending economic and military aid to Egypt? How about the efforts by the State Department to promote democratic reform in Egypt? None of this had any part in tipping the balance there?

The Egyptian military is more "modern" compared to the Cold War surplus Libya. Oh, and did I mention that we armed them? It wouldn't look nice on our side if the weapons we gave them (and not the ones that found "new owners" over the years) were used for wholesale slaughter.

What they were worried about was the talk about cutting off military aid, embargos, and other means of depriving them of the means to continue operating. The generals ultimately feared for their own survival more than they feared Mubarak. Possibly because he didn't have a habit of publicly executing those who failed to support him or his regime.


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