Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate

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White House press secretary Jay Carney says it’s a coincidence (nudge, wink): Obama schedules jobs address to coincide with GOP 2012 debate.

President Obama has requested a joint session of Congress next week to deliver his jobs speech directly to lawmakers.

In a letter to congressional leaders requesting the Sept. 7 slot, the president said he will urge Congress to put aside politics and focus on creating jobs during the 8 p.m. speech.

“As I have traveled across our country this summer and spoken with our fellow Americans, I have heard a consistent message: Washington needs to put aside politics and start making decisions based on what is best for our country and not what is best for each of our parties in order to grow the economy and create jobs,” Obama wrote. “We must answer this call.”

The speech will fall on the same night Texas Gov. Rick Perry makes his debut on the GOP 2012 debate stage. The Republican presidential field is set to take part in a debate, also scheduled to begin at 8 p.m., at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, Calif.

Asked whether the speech was purposefully scheduled the same night as the Republican debate, White House press secretary Jay Carney said “of course not.”

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418 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:58:45pm

So first we'll see the president urge congress to get serious about bringing back jobs then we'll see a bunch of douchebags try to out douche one another. I like the optics.

2 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:58:50pm

Rush it going to be pissed. He predicted Obama would schedule the speech to run during his show "like he always does".

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:58:52pm

What if you weren't exactly planning on watching either one? (I'm waiting on the Cliff Notes versions.)

4 Sonoran Supposition  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:59:18pm

Honestly... this is just silly politics. So weird, too...

5 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:59:20pm

There is no scheduling conflict here: either you want to hear about job creation, or you don't.

If you do, then you have no interest in the GOP debate.

If you don't then you have no interest in hearing Obama's plan.

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:59:28pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

What if you weren't exactly planning on watching either one? (I'm waiting on the Cliff Notes versions.)

Then you'll be like the majority of us political junkies, who don't give a damn about the presentation, just the facts.

7 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:59:52pm

Shorter Obama: I'm president, all you pandering nutjobs are not. Deal with it.

8 Sonoran Supposition  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:00:52pm

re: #7 makeitstop

Shorter Obama: I'm president, all you pandering nutjobs are not. Deal with it.

Love it! Still... not a big fan of this move. There are much more effective ways to make the Republican nominees look dumb.

9 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:04:02pm

re: #5 iossarian

There is no scheduling conflict here: either you want to hear about job creation, or you don't.

If you do, then you have no interest in the GOP debate.

If you don't then you have no interest in hearing Obama's plan.

here's another green jobs story...

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

there are not enough green jobs to make the slightest difference in our economy...it's a pope dream so far

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:06:09pm

re: #9 albusteve

here's another green jobs story...

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

there are not enough green jobs to make the slightest difference in our economy...it's a pope dream so far

Green jobs work if you're willing to make the investment in them. China is, we're not. So while Chinese companies, who have a government that's bankrolling them and providing a steady market for them to expand in, we here in the States are laughing at the idea of green jobs and whining that oil prices are too high.

11 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:07:07pm

re: #9 albusteve

...it's a pope dream so far

I know it was a typo. Made me laugh anyway. :)

12 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:07:08pm

re: #9 albusteve

here's another green jobs story...

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

there are not enough green jobs to make the slightest difference in our economy...it's a pope dream so far

A pope dream!

Does the pope dream of $2B exports of solar panels?

No green jobs out there. None.

[Link: www.ebnonline.com...]

13 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:07:30pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Green jobs work if you're willing to make the investment in them. China is, we're not. So while Chinese companies, who have a government that's bankrolling them and providing a steady market for them to expand in, we here in the States are laughing at the idea of green jobs and whining that oil prices are too high.

the feds invested over half a billion in Solyndra

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:07:41pm

My neighbor just had solar panels installed.

I would say the installer has a green job.

15 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:09:06pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Green jobs work if you're willing to make the investment in them. China is, we're not. So while Chinese companies, who have a government that's bankrolling them and providing a steady market for them to expand in, we here in the States are laughing at the idea of green jobs and whining that oil prices are too high.

Green Jobs Reality Check: Clean Energy Still Means More and Better Jobs for American Workers

A lot of bogus numbers are flying around about green jobs these days. It’s time to set the record straight: Clean energy is a bright spot in the economic recovery, already creating large numbers of high quality U.S. jobs in emerging industries. Cleantech (primarily clean energy) has seen “torrid growth” from 2003 to 2010, 8.3% per year — almost double the growth rate of the overall economy during that time.

16 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:09:42pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

What if you weren't exactly planning on watching either one? (I'm waiting on the Cliff Notes versions.)

I have already things penciled in on my calender for that night

Arrange my sock drawer
Watch the front yard grass grow
Re-arrange my sock drawer
Watch the back yard grass grow
Throw all my socks out
Contemplate what I'll do in the morning without socks!

{whheewh ,,, I'm exhausted}

17 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:10:04pm

re: #12 iossarian

A pope dream!

Does the pope dream of $2B exports of solar panels?

No green jobs out there. None.

[Link: www.ebnonline.com...]

so why hasn't the economy turned around?....I don't have anything against green jobs, but as a cornerstone to improving the economy, it's pretty much a bust...getting more nukes on board makes far more sense

18 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:10:42pm

re: #17 albusteve

so why hasn't the economy turned around?...I don't have anything against green jobs, but as a cornerstone to improving the economy, it's pretty much a bust...getting more nukes on board makes far more sense

Nuclear power isn't profitable.

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:12:12pm

Scandal brewing for the GOP?
Docs: Bush Official, Kucinich Offered To Help Qaddafi Regime On Ending U.S. Involvement In Libya

Former Bush administration official David Welch and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) are singled out as allies of the now-deposed Libyan regime of Muammar Qaddafi, in documents found in the building that used to house Libya's intelligence headquarters, Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal reports.
....
The documents allegedly show that Welch, now an executive at the multinational company Bechtel, met with senior Libyan officials Abubakr Alzleitny and Mohammed Ahmed Ismai on Aug. 2, 2011. According to the files, Welch met with the officials at the Four Seasons Hotel in Cairo, where he advised Gaddafi's team of propaganda measures, AJE reported. TPM was unable to reach Welch at his office in London.

Another document Elshayyal found in the compound appeared to indicate that two Libyan officials talked with Kucinich. The document included the web address of a May 27 story by the Washington Post's Felicia Sonmez about the House vote on ending U.S. involvement in Libya

That house vote got a lot of Republican support.....
Libya votes show House divided

On that vote, the House rejected the one-year authorization of the use of force in Libya, written by Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), on a 123-295 roll call. GOP leaders allowed it to come to the floor so that they could demonstrate President Barack Obama does not have the support of the House for the mission — and they did just that. Eight Republicans and 115 Democrats voted for the use of force, while 225 Republicans and 70 Democrats were opposed.

It'll be interesting if more documents turn up.

20 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:12:12pm

re: #13 albusteve

the feds invested over half a billion in Solyndra

Meanwhile, Forbes has this to say:

What Solyndra's Bankruptcy Means For Silicon Valley Solar Startups

“Despite strong growth in the first half of 2011 and traction in North America with a number of orders for very large commercial rooftops, Solyndra could not achieve full-scale operations rapidly enough to compete in the near term with the resources of larger foreign manufacturers,” the company said. “This competitive challenge was exacerbated by a global oversupply of solar panels and a severe compression of prices that in part resulted from uncertainty in governmental incentive programs in Europe and the decline in credit markets that finance solar systems.”

*snip*

But the real take-away is this: Can U.S. companies developing advanced solar technology compete against low-cost Chinese manufacturers who benefit from state support and a government policy to create markets at home and abroad for their products?

21 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:12:26pm

re: #18 Varek Raith

Nuclear power isn't profitable.

make it profitable...figure it out

22 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:12:27pm

Hazmat Crews At Scott Air Force Base, 3 Hospitalized

,,,,,what caused three employees to complain of respiratory distress and a rash.

Base Commander, Colonel Michael Hornitscheck says they are focusing not on a single package, but on a group of packages in a bin in the mail room.
[Link: stlouis.cbslocal.com...]

23 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:14:43pm

re: #21 albusteve

make it profitable...figure it out

1) Build Nuke Plants
2) ...
3) Profit!

24 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:15:19pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1) Build Nuke Plants
2) ...
3) Profit!

See ,,,,and everyone said it would be hard to do!!

25 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:15:24pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1a) Have insurance provided by the government, since no private insurance company will touch it.

26 iossarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:16:06pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1) Build Nuke Plants
2) ...
3) Profit!

Seriously.

Government invests in green technology. Some business boom, other fail. BAD GOVERNMENT!

Government subsidizes nuclear plants. Nuclear energy becomes more attractive, some firms lose, some win. GOOD GOVERNMENT!

It makes no sense.

27 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:16:48pm

From the Al Jaz report.....
Secret files: US officials aided Gaddafi

The documents read: "Any information related to al-Qaeda or other terrorist extremist organisations should be found and given to the American administration but only via the intelligence agencies of either Israel, Egypt, Morroco, or Jordan… America will listen to them… It's better to receive this information as if it originated from those countries...".

The papers also document Welch advising the Gaddafi's regime to take advantage of the current unrest in Syria. The documents held this passage: "The importance of taking advantage of the Syrian situation particularly regarding the double-standard policy adopted by Washington… the Syrians were never your friends and you would loose nothing from exploiting the situation there in order to embarrass the West."

Familiar talking points.

28 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:19:05pm

re: #26 iossarian

Seriously.

Government invests in green technology. Some business boom, other fail. BAD GOVERNMENT!

Government subsidizes nuclear plants. Nuclear energy becomes more attractive, some firms lose, some win. GOOD GOVERNMENT!

It makes no sense.

I have no problem with the feds subsidizing nuclear power...we are not going far down that road without it

29 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:19:19pm

I wonder which of the two events Faux News will cover?

30 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:19:41pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

There are some people who seem to be straight out of Weyland Yutani. He's one of them.

31 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:19:43pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Dennis Kucinich issued a statement to the Atlantic Wire stating: "Al Jazeera found a document written by a Libyan bureaucrat to other Libyan bureaucrats. All it proves is that the Libyans were reading the Washington Post... I can't help what the Libyans put in their files... Any implication I was doing anything other than trying to bring an end to an unauthorised war is fiction."

Scumbag.

32 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:19:52pm

re: #21 albusteve

make it profitable...figure it out

They've been trying for decades.

33 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:20:42pm

re: #25 Obdicut

1a) Have insurance provided by the government, since no private insurance company will touch it.

Socialize the risks and privatize the profits, the free market in action.

34 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:21:24pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Scumbag.

Asshat, yes.

Criminal, probably not. Check back a thread. It was discussed.

35 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:22:38pm

re: #32 Varek Raith

They've been trying for decades.

right...it's a damned shame that the enviros and litigation lawyers and courts count for more than science

36 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:22:41pm

re: #21 albusteve

make it profitable...figure it out

LOL, just make those damned pigs fly! Simply assert that it be done and problem solved.

37 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:23:53pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

LOL, just make those damned pigs fly! Simply assert that it be done and problem solved.

your right....forget it, it's to complicated, too hard

38 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:25:49pm

re: #9 albusteve

here's another green jobs story...

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

there are not enough green jobs to make the slightest difference in our economy...it's a pope dream so far

The US solar power market grew 67% last year.

39 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:26:34pm

re: #35 albusteve

right...it's a damned shame that the enviros and litigation lawyers and courts count for more than science

Yeah, can't imagine why... *rolls eyes*

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:27:37pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Asshat, yes.

Criminal, probably not. Check back a thread. It was discussed.

Ah, sorry. I missed the earlier discussion. This does have a new twist since we were actively engared in hostilities. Kucinich may be in hot water over this. If nothing else I think Obama and Pelosi would love to hang him out to dry.

41 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:28:05pm

re: #35 albusteve

right...it's a damned shame that the enviros and litigation lawyers and courts count for more than science

After Fukushima, the NRC looked at the safety and preparedness of US nuclear reactors.
It ain't pretty.

42 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:28:40pm

re: #37 albusteve

your right...forget it, it's to complicated, too hard

How do you keep from socializing the risks? Look at Fukushima and try to come up with an answer. Instead all you're doing is spouting raw assertion and faulting others for not providing you with the answers you're incapable of supplying yourself.

43 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:28:52pm

re: #38 b_sharp

The US solar power market grew 67% last year.

So b, how did the doctor's visit go? Hmmm?

44 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:29:36pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Ah, sorry. I missed the earlier discussion. This does have a new twist since we were actively engared in hostilities. Kucinich may be in hot water over this. If nothing else I think Obama and Pelosi would love to hang him out to dry.

I think it would hinge on proving he gave actual aid in some form beyond his normal anti-war stance.

45 Olsonist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:29:44pm

re: #21 albusteve

make it profitable...figure it out

The market rewards companies with carrots. It doesn't beat them with sticks. Doesn't work like that.

Nuclear power operators are already tremendously profitable but then they pay little of their real costs. For example, the insurance industry won't and can't cover their liabilities. Fukushima was a case in point. It was at end of life and was going to get a cheap extension instead of an expensive rebuild. Public risk and private profit. Easy to make money that way.

46 zora  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:30:15pm

We Read Rick Perry's "Fed Up!" So You Don't Have To

Takeaway quote: “Texans, on the other hand, elect folks like me — you know the type, the kind of guy who goes jogging in the morning packing a Ruger .380 with laser sights, loaded with hollow point bullets, and shoots a coyote that is threatening his daughter’s dog.”

Takeaway quote: “The branding of the ‘Compassionate Conservative’ meant that the GOP was sending the wrong signal that conservatism alone wasn’t enough. For the first time we were acting like Liberals who call themselves progressives, running away to some degree from who we were, and what we stood for.”

[Link: www.texastribune.org...]

yes, rick perry is dumb.

47 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:30:18pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

After Fukushima, the NRC looked at the safety and preparedness of US nuclear reactors.
It ain't pretty.

and here I thought we were all discussing the future...guess not...
hey!...how about wind propellers?

48 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:30:20pm

re: #43 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So b, how did the doctor's visit go? Hmmm?

Doc was caught up at the hospital this morning, and I'm just about to head out to my afternoon appointment.

49 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:31:09pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1) Build Nuke Plants
2) ...
3) Profit!

BIG FUSION IS RIPPING US OFF!

50 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:31:14pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Doc was caught up at the hospital this morning, and I'm just about to head out to my afternoon appointment.

Cool, keep us informed. Or leave instructions for somebody else to do so. You know, just in case we have to start a betting pool...or something.../

51 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:31:37pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

After Fukushima, the NRC looked at the safety and preparedness of US nuclear reactors.
It ain't pretty.

Like I said in another thread, the real crime as far as nuclear energy goes is that we never developed the safer, cleaner version.

And why was that? Because unlike uranium-based reactors, those based on thorium won't give you weapons-grade material.

52 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:33:21pm

re: #47 albusteve

and here I thought we were all discussing the future...guess not...
hey!...how about wind propellers?

There has to be a multipronged approach to sustainable energy, but having such complexity means overcoming a pile of bureaucratic, economic and technological inertia.

53 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:33:24pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Doc was caught up at the hospital this morning, and I'm just about to head out to my afternoon appointment.

g'luck

54 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:33:40pm

re: #45 Olsonist

The market rewards companies with carrots. It doesn't beat them with sticks. Doesn't work like that.

Nuclear power operators are already tremendously profitable but then they pay little of their real costs. For example, the insurance industry won't and can't cover their liabilities. Fukushima was a case in point. It was at end of life and was going to get a cheap extension instead of an expensive rebuild. Public risk and private profit. Easy to make money that way.

I'm not oblivious to the problems, but in fact the technology is there to exploit...and we have to find a way to get the next gen stuff up and running....pointing out the past, or essentially political barriers is unacceptable to me...it has to get done somehow...rethink the entire thing and forge ahead

55 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:34:01pm

re: #38 b_sharp

New Jersey is the second largest market in the country behind California. We've got a pretty expansive credit program, but I don't think there's that many manufacturers located in-state. Some of the criticisms over the NJ program is that companies are getting Chinese solar panels b/c they're cheaper than anything found domestically, and while that saves customers and taxpayers (where the solars are installed by municipalities), it means that the domestic companies have a harder time of breaking in to the business.

56 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:34:26pm

Later.
I'm heading out.

57 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:34:56pm

re: #51 publicityStunted

Like I said in another thread, the real crime as far as nuclear energy goes is that we never developed the safer, cleaner version.

And why was that? Because unlike uranium-based reactors, those based on thorium won't give you weapons-grade material.

Not to mention thorium fuel cycle reactors can actually burn up not only weapons-grade material, but much of the waste products of PWR tech. And much of the problem with "nuclear poisons" that bring the risk of nuclear meltdown in older designs is nullified by running on thorium.

And that's before we get into the Gen III+ and Gen IV reactors, such as molten salt or pebble bed, which are virtually meltdown proof.

58 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:34:56pm

re: #35 albusteve

right...it's a damned shame that the enviros and litigation lawyers and courts count for more than science

In addition to the Prypiat snark, I think it should be "it's a damned shame that the environmental scientists and activists and lawyers and courts count for more than profit-seeking corporations."

I'll also point out, just as a relevant digression, that it appears the earthquake in Virginia exceeded the expectations of the designers and builders of the North Anna nuclear facility. Nobody could have predicted a seismic level felt a century ago could ever happen again, right? (link)

59 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:36:33pm

re: #52 b_sharp

There has to be a multipronged approach to sustainable energy, but having such complexity means overcoming a pile of bureaucratic, economic and technological inertia.

better get started then....maybe we could put wind farms off the Mass coast and solar farms in the Mohave

60 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:37:36pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Good luck and here's hoping that all of us LGF-docs were wrong and that it was nothing but on the off chance they find something, hope that the docs can get you squared away and back on your feet in no time.

61 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:38:11pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not to mention thorium fuel cycle reactors can actually burn up not only weapons-grade material, but much of the waste products of PWR tech. And much of the problem with "nuclear poisons" that bring the risk of nuclear meltdown in older designs is nullified by running on thorium.

And that's before we get into the Gen III+ and Gen IV reactors, such as molten salt or pebble bed, which are virtually meltdown proof.

Man are we dumb or what.
Sheesh.

62 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:38:37pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Good luck and here's hoping that all of us LGF-docs were wrong and that it was nothing but on the off chance they find something, hope that the docs can get you squared away and back on your feet in no time.

I missed something

What does he think/ been told the problem is

63 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:39:19pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Man are we dumb or what.
Sheesh.

Plus, its easier to find now in the latest patches. Just farm around Ungoro crater.

64 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:39:43pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

I missed something

What does he think/ been told the problem is

He believes he's going insane, and we've been trying to assure him that insanity is a part of being a lizard. But he wants a second opinion, so he's going to see a doc.

//

65 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:40:40pm

re: #64 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He believes he's going insane, and we've been trying to assure him that insanity is a part of being a lizard. But he wants a second opinion, so he's going to see a doc.

//

I thought he was going to Akbar and Jeff's Rehabilitation Clinic.

66 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:40:57pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Another article I just found:

Now, India and China are pursuing thorium-based reactors.

So what’s stopping us now?

“The downside is it’s disruptive to the whole industry,” says Hargraves. “It’s going to cost $2 billion to build the first one and get it started. There is more engineering to be done.”

To complicate matters, most nuclear engineers today have never learned about MSRs. They dropped out of nuclear texts decades ago. There’s virtually no mention of thorium on Industry Canada’s website. Atomic Energy Canada Limited, despite a recent agreement with China on using thorium in its Candu reactors, doesn’t seem to be much invested in LFTRs. And although the Oak Ridge blueprints could easily be dusted off and used as a starting point, the financial exposure is huge.

“No matter how good our reactors are, they’re going to be fairly expensive to develop; anything nuclear is,” says Leblanc. “There are huge potential rewards but there are some pretty major costs as well. And that’s really hard to get people to work on.”

But, say thorium evangelists, industry inertia is very costly as well.

Are these obstacles so huge? Sounds much cheaper to fund development of a thorium plant than to continue subsidizing oil companies.

67 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:41:24pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

I missed something

What does he think/ been told the problem is

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

68 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:41:48pm

BREAKING: Boehner rejects Obama request to address joint session of Congress on September 7.

Screw Congress. Hold the speech for the American people on the 7th and tell Boehner to suck it.

69 Summer Seale  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:42:05pm

When asked if it was scheduled this way on purpose, the answer should have been:

"Yes. Rick Perry and the other candidates are religious extremists and morons, and they should be ignored."

70 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:42:59pm

re: #69 Summer

When asked if it was scheduled this way on purpose, the answer should have been:

"Yes. Rick Perry and the other candidates are religious extremists and morons, and they should be ignored."

Or reply "Who?" since the actions of a political party shouldn't be driving the decisions of the Administration.

71 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:43:14pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BREAKING: Boehner rejects Obama request to address joint session of Congress on September 7.

Screw Congress. Hold the speech for the American people on the 7th and tell Boehner to suck it.

Another historic first? I'm not sure this has ever happened before.

72 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:44:11pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks

Arterial blockage (similar symptoms to what I had/have,,,, doing things now to try to avoid surgery,,, diet change ,, exercises ,,,and one drug)

73 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:44:40pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BREAKING: Boehner rejects Obama request to address joint session of Congress on September 7.

Screw Congress. Hold the speech for the American people on the 7th and tell Boehner to suck it.

Some of these assholes in Congress really need to be knocked down a peg or two.

Boehner really thinks he can order the POTUS around? He should maybe get over himself.

74 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:45:35pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Another historic first? I'm not sure this has ever happened before.

Read Boehner's full reply. It was basically "Its too much trouble for us to listen to you on the 7th, come back the next day".

75 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:46:28pm

re: #66 publicityStunted

Another article I just found:

Are these obstacles so huge? Sounds much cheaper to fund development of a thorium plant than to continue subsidizing oil companies.

It's the same issue that was seen historically when nuclear energy was first proposed as a source of commercial power, back in the 40s and 50s. The government footed much of the initial bill, constructing the test reactors and providing the groundwork for much of today's industry. If progress is to be made forward, then the government has to step in again and provide that sort of momentum. But that also requires putting a muzzle on Big Oil, such that they can't scare folks into believing that the only way to provide future power is with "cheap" oil.

76 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:47:44pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Another historic first? I'm not sure this has ever happened before.

congress sucks...we'd all be ashamed if we sat in for a full week of their tripe....they don't exactly over work themselves

77 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:47:49pm

Former GOP Senator Chuck Hagel: Republican Party Has ‘An Astounding Lack Of Responsible Leadership’

Hagel blasted GOP leadership for their “irresponsible actions” during the debt ceiling debacle, noting that “I think about some of the presidents we’ve had on my side of the aisle — Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., go right through them, Eisenhower — they would be stunned.”

“Disgusted” with the debt ceiling negotiations, Hagel called it “an astounding lack of responsible leadership by many in the Republican party, and I say that as a Republican.” “Does anyone not believe what’s happened here the last couple weeks in the market was not a complete, direct result of the lack of confidence that came out of that folly, that embarrassment?”

78 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:47:50pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Read Boehner's full reply. It was basically "Its too much trouble for us to listen to you on the 7th, come back the next day".

It'll be interesting to seee how this plays out. Boehner can refuse but I think in his absence I think Biden presides over congress. I suppose Obama could go ahead anyways and congressional Republicans can just choose to not show up.

79 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:48:52pm

U.S.: Syria FM a 'shameless tool and a mouthpiece' of Bashar Assad

The United States on Wednesday forcefully defended its decision to hit Syria's top diplomat with sanctions, ridiculing him as a "shameless tool and a mouthpiece" of President Bashar Assad and declaring him personally responsible for crimes committed in the Syrian government's five-month crackdown on popular dissent.

Using uncharacteristically undiplomatic language, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Foreign Minister Walid Moallem "remains unapologetic" even as he has played a key role in trying to hide his regime's "murder and torture" of Syrian citizens." She said he's also been instrumental in securing the assistance of Syria's ally Iran in the repression.

The harsh rhetoric came a day after the United States announced sanctions against Moallem and two other senior Syrian officials in an attempt to further pressure authorities to halt their crackdown on protesters. But whereas the explanation was general on Tuesday, with Nuland criticizing the trio for "propagating and advancing the reign of terror the Assad regime is exacting on its own people," Wednesday's remarks were different.

Heh. That's fantastic!

80 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:50:10pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

It'll be interesting to seee how this plays out. Boehner can refuse but I think in his absence I think Biden presides over congress. I suppose Obama could go ahead anyways and congressional Republicans can just choose to not show up.

If Congress thinks the President isn't important enough to fit into their schedule, he can always send them a copy of the speech he gives to the nation on DVD to watch at their earliest convenience.

81 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:52:56pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

It'll be interesting to seee how this plays out. Boehner can refuse but I think in his absence I think Biden presides over congress. I suppose Obama could go ahead anyways and congressional Republicans can just choose to not show up.

you'd expect that traditional decorum and propriety are worth continuing...someday the shoe will be on the other foot

82 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:53:09pm

re: #66 publicityStunted

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

I trust all you AGW aware & anti nuke power guys are prepared to walk or jog or peddle a damn bike to get around right? As it stands now electric cars are not really electric powered. Plugging in to coal fired electricity plants.

Those nice CFL light and efficient electric heat exchangers? Probably plugged into a coal or oil fired plant. But that's okay. Nuclear power has not improved since 1950 right?

Wrong

It's a proliferation risk.
Not necessarily.

Oh and Hyperion engineering real world tests are under way. The heat of operation is piped into the un fueled test bed.

83 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:53:30pm

Virginia Anti-Abortion Lobbyist Married To Top State Health Official Who Helped Draft Clinic Regulations

Matt Cobb, deputy secretary of health and human resources, helps lead the office that will interpret the regulations. He is also married to Victoria Cobb, a prominent anti-abortion lobbyist in the state who has spent years lobbying for clinic regulations like the ones just released:

Victoria Cobb, president of the right-wing Family Foundation of Virginia, has been lobbying state lawmakers for the past decade to pass legislation that would force the Department of Health to release abortion clinic regulations like those adopted by South Carolina in 1996 that reduced the number of clinics in the state from 14 to 3.

Tarina Keene, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia, told the Huffington Post that Matt Cobb sat in on meetings discussing the regulations with her and her colleagues:

“People who have been dealing with these issues find it odd that he’s in those meetings about the regulations,” Keene told HuffPost. “I find it really intriguing to think that the premiere anti-abortion advocate is basically married to the person who’s now in charge of implementing the clinic regulations, and he’s involved every step of the way.” [...]

84 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:55:06pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

I'm not anti-nuclear power.
I'm realistic.
It would take massive government spending to expand and develop the newest reactor designs.
Something the GOP would likely be against.
This isn't something the private sector can do by itself.

85 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:57:40pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

This isn't something the private sector can do by itself.

Sure they can, once we do away with all those pesky regulations that are holding them back.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:57:52pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Joint session of congress requires a concurrent resolution from both House and Senate to meet. Joint sessions include the counting of electoral votes following a presidential election and the State of the Union, as well as other addresses by the President.

Maybe they can block it. Fuck it, just give the speech from the Oval Office.

87 Olsonist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 1:58:14pm

In a well analyzed article from the San Francisco Chronicle:

Solar-cell manufacturer Solyndra Inc. announced today that it would seek bankruptcy protection, suspend work at its Fremont facilities and lay off 1,100 employees, as the recent plunge in panel prices undercut the company's sales.
...
But the company had to cancel its plans for a $300 million initial public stock offering last year, and it struggled to compete against a flood of inexpensive solar cells pouring into the market from new factories in China.

The problem with the free market is when another country is competing against you without the free market.

88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:00:00pm

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

U.S.: Syria FM a 'shameless tool and a mouthpiece' of Bashar Assad

Heh. That's fantastic!

So, Obama is not all bad, eh?

89 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:00:09pm

re: #87 Olsonist

In a well analyzed article from the San Francisco Chronicle:

The problem with the free market is when another country is competing against you without the free market.

The obvious solution is to institute similar working conditions here so the US can remain competitive!
/

Unfortunately, Bachmann wasn't using sarc tags when she said it.

90 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:02:43pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

You're wrongly interpreting opposition to old-style nuclear power as opposition to new-style, or thorium reactors.

91 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:04:11pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

I trust all you AGW aware & anti nuke power guys are prepared to walk or jog or peddle a damn bike to get around right? As it stands now electric cars are not really electric powered. Plugging in to coal fired electricity plants.

Your reading comprehension really sucks sometimes. I'm not anti nuke, I'm against privatizing profits while socializing risks, which is exactly what I said. Thanks for the condescension though, also yes I do ride a bike most of the time.

92 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:04:44pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

lets go with facts

A),,, the debate was already scheduled
B),,,, the Presidents adress, while I'm sure is important isn't something that couldn't be done hours before or after


If I were the repubs, I would take the high road and say something like 'due to the importance of the presidents address, we'll hold our debate the day before/ after
If I were on the presidents staff, I would recommend that he makes his address the day before/ after

93 harrylook  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:04:58pm

re: #13 albusteve

google evergreen solar. solar is definitely not the future of renewable energy. i know some businessmen who are making good money on solar, though, b/c the feds and states give them money to build a solar farm for free; then they turn around and sell the energy at an artificially inflated rate (here in Mass., everyone pays more so that there can be solar energy). after a little while, it doesn't pay to keep the solar farm b/c of maintenance costs, and the businessman just sells it (remember he built it for free) to some sucker who doesn't know better

94 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:06:44pm

re: #88 Sergey Romanov

So, Obama is not all bad, eh?

Who said he was?

95 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:08:27pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Why on earth should the President of the US schedule anything around a debate? A debate isn't government business.

96 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:11:03pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

lets go with facts

A),,, the debate was already scheduled
B),,, the Presidents adress, while I'm sure is important isn't something that couldn't be done hours before or after

If I were the repubs, I would take the high road and say something like 'due to the importance of the presidents address, we'll hold our debate the day before/ after
If I were on the presidents staff, I would recommend that he makes his address the day before/ after

Can't the day after, It's the NFL opening night. If either party gets in the way of the game I'll personally lead the revolution myself!

I'm at a loss as to the presidents thinking here. This is a completely unnecessary fight. If it's that important give it Monday night.

97 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:11:26pm

re: #96 RogueOne

Can't the day after, It's the NFL opening night. If either party gets in the way of the game I'll personally lead the revolution myself!

I'm at a loss as to the presidents thinking here. This is a completely unnecessary fight. If it's that important give it Monday night.

Labor day.

98 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:11:32pm

re: #95 Obdicut

Why on earth should the President of the US schedule anything around a debate? A debate isn't government business.

You're right. Because prime time September the 7th 2011 is the ONLY time the President could/should address the nation

I even think that's in the constitution!

99 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:12:41pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Labor day.

Crap, forgot that. Still, it would make a little sense. A jobs speech on Labor day.

100 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:12:52pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Labor day.

Perfect setting for an address about JOBS!

September 5th ,,,

101 Charleston Chew  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:12:52pm

re: #9 albusteve

here's another green jobs story...

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

there are not enough green jobs to make the slightest difference in our economy...it's a pope dream so far

When Texaco filed chapter 11 in 1987, did you think oil was a pipe dream?

102 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:12:54pm

re: #98 sattv4u2

Again: Why should when the GOP debate matter to Obama? Why should it matter to him in delivering his speech? That Romney won't be in the joint session really doesn't seem to matter much, does it?

So what's the deal? I'm not understanding why the GOP is flipping out about this.

103 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:13:15pm

re: #99 RogueOne

re: #100 sattv4u2

gmta

104 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:13:44pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Again: Why should when the GOP debate matter to Obama? Why should it matter to him in delivering his speech? That Romney won't be in the joint session really doesn't seem to matter much, does it?

So what's the deal? I'm not understanding why the GOP is flipping out about this.

The wepubwicans had thew fewwings hurt.

105 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:14:50pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Again: Why should when the GOP debate matter to Obama? THE PUBLIC. Why should it matter to him in delivering his speech? That Romney won't be in the joint session really doesn't seem to matter much, does it?

So what's the deal? I'm not understanding why the GOP is flipping out about this.

hmmm, maybe theres a clue in there somewhere!

106 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:15:02pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

Electricity has been a govt thing since the TVA. Do we really expect the private market do do it? I don't. Government R&D, some support, then the regulated private market can expand and deploy.

107 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:15:04pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Labor day.

Yeah, I don't think congress is in session. Federal Holiday.

108 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:15:38pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

Electricity has been a govt thing since the TVA. Do we really expect the private market do do it? I don't. Government R&D, some support, then the regulated private market can expand and deploy.

I don't disagree with you at all.
However, the GOP does.

109 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:15:49pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

LOL.
Somebody send them an advertising on this newfangled TV thing. The DVR.

110 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:16:20pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

So, you don't actually have an answer?

I mean, to me, it just seems like the GOP flipping out about anything Obama does that in any way relates to or affects them. So a few GOP pols will be missing from congress when he addresses them. Since they don't get to respond to him, I'm not actually seeing what problem the GOP has.

I mean, they can Tivo the debate. Why on earth would it matter to the GOP that they're at the same time?

111 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:17:27pm

Boehner's letter presents some interesting points for his request to change the date to the 8th. The 7th is their first day back, and it's a bit hard to schedule and conduct the vote AND allow for the three and a half hours of security prep required for a joint presentation. It can be done with a lot of disruption.

112 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:17:37pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

So far the GOP debates have been useless ODS auditions.

113 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:18:06pm

re: #110 Obdicut

Do you really think the president didn't know they were going to flip out about having it scheduled the same night as their debate? Of course he did. Is it "time to put politics aside" or not? If he's looking for a way to stick his finger in their eye he found it, if he's looking to get something accomplished he needs to keep looking.

114 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:18:07pm

re: #93 harrylook

google evergreen solar. solar is definitely not the future of renewable energy. i know some businessmen who are making good money on solar, though, b/c the feds and states give them money to build a solar farm for free; then they turn around and sell the energy at an artificially inflated rate (here in Mass., everyone pays more so that there can be solar energy). after a little while, it doesn't pay to keep the solar farm b/c of maintenance costs, and the businessman just sells it (remember he built it for free) to some sucker who doesn't know better

Evergreen solar was just a shell to receive federal funds. But there are other solar companies with more reality to them.

115 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:18:10pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

hmmm, maybe theres a clue in there somewhere!

Well, I think Obama's logic is that's the best day for his speech. I suppose there's some political calculation involved that the Republicans look like unwilling partners by not cooperating to share time that day. They could use it to their advantage and spend the hour responding to his jobs speech (instead of the seven minutes usually allotted for the official response).

116 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:18:41pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

So far the GOP debates have been useless ODS auditions.

I haven't watched a single minute. Life is too short.

117 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:19:04pm

re: #102 Obdicut

So what's the deal? I'm not understanding why the GOP is flipping out about this.

Let me explain. I live near the Reagan Library and the debate is sacred to the GOP because it's the only time that their undead Lord Zombie Ronald can feast on such a rich vein of cognitive dissonance. The hills echo with the sound of derp and there is much rejoicing.

118 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:19:07pm

STEELPH
Jump in, instead of downdinging from the sidelines!

119 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:19:55pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

So far the GOP debates have been useless ODS auditions.

They've also thrown that whole "no religious test" idea right out the fucking window.

120 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:20:29pm

re: #113 RogueOne


How is it sticking a finger in their eye, though? What about it is in any way insulting or presumptive?

I really don't think it's Obama's fault that the GOP are ever so sensitive. I'm not sure why you do.

121 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:20:58pm

re: #110 Obdicut

So, you don't actually have an answer?

kquote>

Didn't get the clue, huh!

A) people may want to, , you know,, see both
B) it's petty of him to schedule it then, in light of the fact the debate was already scheduled

Those are the answers
If you don't care for them, thats a you problem, not a me problem

122 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:21:09pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

STEELPH
Jump in, instead of downdinging from the sidelines!

Whining about downdings merits downdings.

123 Charleston Chew  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:21:28pm

re: #113 RogueOne

Is it "time to put politics aside" or not?

Common GOP complaint: "Why, oh, why won't the President bring a knife to a gun fight?!?"

124 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:21:57pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Well, I think Obama's logic is that's the best day for his speech. I suppose there's some political calculation involved that the Republicans look like unwilling partners by not cooperating to share time that day. They could use it to their advantage and spend the hour responding to his jobs speech (instead of the seven minutes usually allotted for the official response).

I think they should defer to him and reschedule the debate, as I stated above

HOWEVER, I also think it was petty of Obamas staff to scheduke the address that night

125 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:22:01pm

re: #122 Obdicut

Whining about downdings merits downdings.

Bitches love downdings

126 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:22:15pm

re: #121 sattv4u2

Everyone who wants to see both, can see both. It's not a sports game. You don't need to see it live. So your point #1 is, well, pointless.

Your point #2 doesn't make any sense on its own. Why should it matter to the GOP that he's giving a speech while their candidates are holding a debate? I mean, it obviously does, but there doesn't seem to be any actual reason other than reflexive antipathy towards Obama.

127 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:22:18pm

re: #82 Rightwingconspirator

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

I trust all you AGW aware & anti nuke power guys are prepared to walk or jog or peddle a damn bike to get around right? As it stands now electric cars are not really electric powered. Plugging in to coal fired electricity plants.

Those nice CFL light and efficient electric heat exchangers? Probably plugged into a coal or oil fired plant. But that's okay. Nuclear power has not improved since 1950 right?

Wrong

It's a proliferation risk.
Not necessarily.

Oh and Hyperion engineering real world tests are under way. The heat of operation is piped into the un fueled test bed.

Color me AGW aware, bike-to-work, conservative, and fully in favor of nuclear power. ANYthing that doesn't run on fossil carbon fuel is better for the environment. Nuclear power has to be part of the answer because it's just about the only green source that's not contingent on some minimal luck with the weather. We will have very bad luck with the weather from time to time, after all.

128 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:22:27pm

re: #113 RogueOne

Do you really think the president didn't know they were going to flip out about having it scheduled the same night as their debate? Of course he did. Is it "time to put politics aside" or not? If he's looking for a way to stick his finger in their eye he found it, if he's looking to get something accomplished he needs to keep looking.

They're going to flip out whether he gives a speech or not. The good news for Perry is that Fox won't cover the president, finding the debate much more newsworthy, so he'll score points with his base...Romney, however, will be fucked more than anyone as the other networks will likely find the economy more newsworthy than a bunch of self-righteous blow-hards.

129 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:22:32pm

re: #122 Obdicut

Whining about downdings merits downdings.

Wasn't a whine
Was an invite to engage in the debate

You're really having a problem with this huh!

130 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:22:41pm

re: #122 Obdicut

Whining about downdings merits downdings.

LOL!
true enough

131 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:23:24pm

re: #126 Obdicut

Why should it matter to the GOP that he's giving a speech while their candidates are holding a debate? I mean, it obviously does

So it doesn't matter, except that it does

Got it!

132 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:23:44pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

I think they should defer to him and reschedule the debate, as I stated above

HOWEVER, I also think it was petty of Obamas staff to scheduke the address that night

It was the first day Congress was supposed to be back in session and Obama wanted to address them as soon as possible.

Why did the GOP decide to have their debate on the same night several of their members were supposed to show up for work?

133 Charleston Chew  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:23:48pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

I think they should defer to him and reschedule the debate, as I stated above

HOWEVER, I also think it was petty of Obamas staff to scheduke the address that night

I'm sure both will be available for viewing on the web, so what's the problem?

134 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:23:49pm

re: #21 albusteve

make it profitable...figure it out

You got a backroom to store the waste?

135 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:23:53pm

Shit, this should actually be a golden goddamn opportunity. All the politicians in the debate can claim that while Obama is spewing nonsense about jobs, they've got the real solutions, that while he's wasting time with a moribund congress, they'll be the ones to lead the nation forwards.

136 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:24:05pm

I can envision the level of noise conservatives would make if a Republican president requested a joint session of Congress and a Democratic House Speaker stood to block it.

And after three years of getting fingers poked in his eye, I think he's due to do a little eye-poking of his own.

137 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:24:19pm

re: #131 sattv4u2


Why should it matter to the GOP that he's giving a speech while their candidates are holding a debate? I mean, it obviously does

So it doesn't matter, except that it does

Got it!

It doesn't matter to me, certainly. It matters to the GOP. Why, I have no idea. I've asked you, and you can't actually explain it.

Nobody can, apparently.

138 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:24:46pm

re: #135 Obdicut

Shit, this should actually be a golden goddamn opportunity. All the politicians in the debate can claim that while Obama is spewing nonsense about jobs, they've got the real solutions, that while he's wasting time with a moribund congress, they'll be the ones to lead the nation forwards.

Or they could reschedule for the 8th and offer "rebuttals" to his proposals. But that's logical, so let's forget that I suggested it.

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:05pm

re: #136 makeitstop

I can envision the level of noise conservatives would make if a Republican president requested a joint session of Congress and a Democratic House Speaker stood to block it.

And after three years of getting fingers poked in his eye, I think he's due to do a little eye-poking of his own.

I can hear it now.

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:13pm

Well this is just great. Now I have two things not to watch that night.

141 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:17pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

Wasn't a whine
Was an invite to engage in the debate

You're really having a problem with this huh!

A problem with what? If the GOP actually blocks him speaking then, he'll speak on another day. It won't be a big deal, but the GOP will look plenty weird.

Heh. Maybe it's all a ploy by Obama to get people to actually pay attention to the GOP debates so that they can see what utter fucking lunatics they are.

142 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:25pm

re: #134 RayFerd

You got a backroom to store the waste?

yes, called Yucca Mt....where is it stored now btw?

143 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:42pm

re: #137 Obdicut

It doesn't matter to me, certainly. It matters to the GOP. Why, I have no idea. I've asked you, and you can't actually explain it.

Nobody can, apparently.

No one knows

Youtube Video
144 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:49pm

re: #137 Obdicut

It doesn't matter to me, certainly. It matters to the GOP. Why, I have no idea. I've asked you, and you can't actually explain it.

Nobody can, apparently.

I gave you two explanations (and two solutions)

That you choose not to accept any of them is, as I stated, a you problem, not a me problem

145 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:25:58pm

re: #137 Obdicut

It doesn't matter to me, certainly. It matters to the GOP. Why, I have no idea. I've asked you, and you can't actually explain it.

Nobody can, apparently.

Obama stole our thunder!

146 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:26:24pm

re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well this is just great. Now I have two things not to watch that night.

New game out on the 6th. I'll be busy. Too bad.

147 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:26:27pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Youtube Video

It's a mystery.

148 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:26:31pm

re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or they could reschedule for the 8th and offer "rebuttals" to his proposals. But that's logical, so let's forget that I suggested it.

Too late,,, I already did upthread

149 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:27:04pm

re: #142 albusteve

yes, called Yucca Mt...where is it stored now btw?

Over by the toaster. See it? Neither does anyone else...can be left there for years and nobody will ever know or care.

150 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:27:27pm

While everyone is pointing fingers at either the Republicans or Democrats, I noticed that no one has brought up the people/Organizations (NBC/Politicol) that are actually sponsering the debate and what they want to do in regards to this matter.

151 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:28:03pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

I gave you two explanations (and two solutions)

That you choose not to accept any of them is, as I stated, a you problem, not a me problem

No, you didn't. Your first explanation doesn't make sense-- everyone can watch both the debate and the speech.

The second just said that he shouldn't have scheduled it at this time. It's a restatement, not an explanation. I understand that the GOP is complaining that it's at the same time as their debate. I'm asking why that's actually a problem.

You don't, apparently, have an answer.

152 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:28:16pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Doc was caught up at the hospital this morning, and I'm just about to head out to my afternoon appointment.

Good job. A stitch in time and all that.

153 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:29:12pm

re: #141 Obdicut

A problem with what? If the GOP actually blocks him speaking then, he'll speak on another day. It won't be a big deal, but the GOP will look plenty weird.

Heh. Maybe it's all a ploy by Obama to get people to actually pay attention to the GOP debates so that they can see what utter fucking lunatics they are.

yup, you are starting to think like a pol....there is ALWAYS subterfuge, every nit picky little thing has an upside and downside to play...ask Rove or Caravelle

154 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:29:29pm

re: #128 darthstar

They're going to flip out whether he gives a speech or not. The good news for Perry is that Fox won't cover the president, finding the debate much more newsworthy, so he'll score points with his base...Romney, however, will be fucked more than anyone as the other networks will likely find the economy more newsworthy than a bunch of self-righteous blow-hards.

I think the scheduling smells like desperation. If he wanted people to pay attention to the speech he wouldn't have picked a fight. Now people are going to be talking more about the argument than his jobs plan.

155 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:30:18pm

re: #151 Obdicut

No, you didn't. Your first explanation doesn't make sense-- everyone can watch both the debate and the speech.

The second just said that he shouldn't have scheduled it at this time. It's a restatement, not an explanation. I understand that the GOP is complaining that it's at the same time as their debate. I'm asking why that's actually a problem.

You don't, apparently, have an answer.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

156 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:30:19pm

re: #149 darthstar

Over by the toaster. See it? Neither does anyone else...can be left there for years and nobody will ever know or care.

when did you visit the bunkhouse?

157 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:30:21pm

re: #154 RogueOne

Desperate to do what?

158 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:31:12pm

@joshtpm tweeted the link to their story about the speech scheduling issue with this remark:

White House delivers formal "suck it" notification to House GOP

Maybe that's why the GOP is pissed. They read the Twitter.

159 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:32:35pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

@joshtpm tweeted the link to their story about the speech scheduling issue with this remark:

Maybe that's why the GOP is pissed. They read the Twitter.

If that's why they're pissed, maybe they should work on growing thicker skin.

160 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:32:43pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

@joshtpm tweeted the link to their story about the speech scheduling issue with this remark:

Maybe that's why the GOP is pissed. They read the Twitter.


Carney gave NBC his permission to reschedule the Republican debate so it doesn't conflict with the president's speech, saying "if the network so chose and the candidates so chose" to reschedule, "that would be completely fine with us."

I didn't know NBC worked for the White House press sec.

161 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:33:13pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia Anti-Abortion Lobbyist Married To Top State Health Official Who Helped Draft Clinic Regulations

Hrmmmm...

162 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:33:32pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

Yes, Satt. I know that you said that people want to watch both)-- which is not an explanation. since people can watch both. You do get that, right? Don't you actually work in some sort of media field, where you should be aware of the magical ability to record an event and play it later?

And I know that you've said the debate was already scheduled-- which is a statement of fact, and not an explanation of why that should matter, or be a problem.

Except that the GOP, apparently, has a vanity so large that anything that can remotely be perceived as an insult, is.

163 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:33:58pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

I didn't know NBC worked for the White House press sec.

One could easily make the same point about the president having to answer to the House speaker.

164 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:33:59pm

re: #154 RogueOne

I think the scheduling smells like desperation. If he wanted people to pay attention to the speech he wouldn't have picked a fight. Now people are going to be talking more about the argument than his jobs plan.

why didn't he give the speech last month or a year ago....it's just more campaign blather...BO is a showboater, a community organizer kind a guy

165 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:34:01pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

They don't.

Hey, the GOP admitted to holding the debt ceiling hostage and have the nerve to bitch about this?
Lol.

166 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:34:34pm

re: #157 Obdicut

Desperate to do what?

get some face time

167 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:34:49pm

re: #162 Obdicut

Except that the GOP, apparently, has a vanity so large

The GOP has a vanity so large?

Again, what was ALREADY scheduled??

168 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:35:23pm

re: #87 Olsonist

In a well analyzed article from the San Francisco Chronicle:

The problem with the free market is when another country is competing against you without the free market.

It is a delusion to think that China's economy is not actually producing anything at low cost. While there may be subsidies involved, China's economy didn't grow for decades at 8 or 10 percent annual growth by taxing the peasants to fund manufacturing that didn't pay its way.

I'd bet that they have actually, for real, got ahead of us, or at any rate neck and neck, in solar and can, for real, make solar cells at prices that some of our companies cannot match.

China is now the world's biggest CO2 producer. She's also more at risk from AGW than is the U.S.

For strategic reasons of national existence, she's going to be working on ways to both have an industrial civilization, and scale down the rate at which she's fouling her own nest. If she can sell this technology to the rest of the world, by and by, that would for her be a bonus. A double bonus, since any adoption of solar, anywhere, weighs in the scales against AGW.

169 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:35:52pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

The debate was already scheduled.

Now can you explain why that should matter? Why should a president not give a speech on a day a debate is scheduled?

170 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:36:07pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

Except that the GOP, apparently, has a vanity so large

The GOP has a vanity so large?

Again, what was ALREADY scheduled??

on the same day several debaters were supposed to show up back to work at Congress...

171 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:36:13pm

re: #157 Obdicut

Desperate to do what?

If he thinks he has a brilliant plan wouldn't he want people to be arguing the specifics of the speech instead of the timing? I have less faith that his plan is going to amount to anything today than I did yesterday based on this little maneuver alone.

172 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:36:36pm

re: #164 albusteve

why didn't he give the speech last month or a year ago...it's just more campaign blather...BO is a showboater, a community organizer kind a guy

Community organizers can be the absolutely best kind of guys there are. They can also be egotistical control freaks, but like anybody, they should be judged one at a time.

The fact that Obama comes from that background makes me trust him more, rather than less.

173 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:36:36pm

This is interesting:

Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports on Twitter that the White House cleared 9/7 date with Boehner before announcing request for joint session.

So... who's acting like a douchebag here?

174 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:36:41pm

re: #166 albusteve

get some face time

Heh, I guarantee you that the GOP debate would have shitty ratings anyway.

175 elisabeth  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:37:15pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why did the GOP decide to have their debate on the same night several of their members were supposed to show up for work?

Ding, ding, ding!!! There's a really good question.

176 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:37:23pm

re: #163 makeitstop

One could easily make the same point about the president having to answer to the House speaker.

Or the speaker to the president?

177 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:37:31pm

re: #173 makeitstop

This is interesting:

So... who's acting like a douchebag here?

So, Boehner's being a grandstanding jerk. What else is new?

178 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:37:44pm

re: #169 Obdicut

The debate was already scheduled.

Now can you explain why that should matter? Why should a president not give a speech on a day a debate is scheduled?

How about common courtesy!

Who was it that called for civility, then sat on his hands as a dem congresswoman tells tea partiers they can go to hell, and a congressman says they want to lynch people

CIVILITY!!! YYYYEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAA

179 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:38:11pm

re: #176 RogueOne

Or the speaker to the president?

Three words - chain of command.

Obama is at the top of it. Boehner isn't.

180 jvic  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:38:47pm

Good grief, Boehner, schedule the session before the GOP debate so the candidates can bash the speech.

The Stupid Party strikes again.

181 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:38:54pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Community organizers can be the absolutely best kind of guys there are. They can also be egotistical control freaks, but like anybody, they should be judged one at a time.

The fact that Obama comes from that background makes me trust him more, rather than less.

well you get what you pay for...does he have any expertise that a president would find useful?

182 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:39:17pm

re: #179 makeitstop

Three words - chain of command.

Obama is at the top of it. Boehner isn't.

I think you have your chain of command screwed up. Boehner isn't an enlisted man. The house doesn't answer to the president.

183 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:39:35pm

re: #171 RogueOne

If he thinks he has a brilliant plan wouldn't he want people to be arguing the specifics of the speech instead of the timing? I have less faith that his plan is going to amount to anything today than I did yesterday based on this little maneuver alone.

Desperate to do what, though?

184 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:39:42pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

So, Boehner's being a grandstanding jerk. What else is new?

Not new. I just wanted to point out to everyone who's accusing Obama of dealing from the bottom of the deck to get a load of the asshole who green-lighted the date before red-lighting it.

185 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:40:01pm

re: #182 RogueOne

I think you have your chain of command screwed up. Boehner isn't an enlisted man. The house doesn't answer to the president.

Oh, there you go, getting all constitutional and factual!

186 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:40:18pm

re: #174 Varek Raith

Heh, I guarantee you that the GOP debate would have shitty ratings anyway.

I hate em all

187 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:40:24pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

How about common courtesy!

How is it discourteous to schedule the speech for that day?

You keep dancing around an explanation for why, but you never give one.

Do you actually have an answer?

188 jvic  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:40:29pm

re: #179 makeitstop

re: #176 RogueOne

Or the speaker to the president?

Three words - chain of command.

Obama is at the top of it. Boehner isn't.

Three words: Separation. Of. Powers.

189 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:40:46pm

re: #182 RogueOne

I think you have your chain of command screwed up. Boehner isn't an enlisted man. The house doesn't answer to the president.

Okay.

Three more words: order of succession.

Again, Obama is at the top of it. Boehner is not.

190 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:41:26pm

re: #183 Obdicut

Desperate to do what, though?

Distract. If I was giving a speech that I knew my job counted on and I thought it was a brilliant speech, I'd do what it takes to get it heard. Instead, he's picked a fight. He's told us for weeks he has a great idea, lets hear it.

191 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:41:29pm

re: #173 makeitstop

This is interesting:

So... who's acting like a douchebag here?

who's he?...another blog liar?

192 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:41:30pm

re: #181 albusteve

well you get what you pay for...does he have any expertise that a president would find useful?

That question's "best by..." date is three years past. Now you're stuck with judging him by what he's done in office. Either he has the expertise, or he has found others who have it to work for and with him, because he looks damn Presidential to me.

193 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:41:38pm

re: #173 makeitstop

Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports on Twitter that the White House cleared 9/7 date with Boehner before announcing request for joint session.

Heh. If that's true, that's hilarious.

194 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:41:42pm

re: #187 Obdicut

How is it discourteous to schedule the speech for that day?

You keep dancing around an explanation for why, but you never give one.

Do you actually have an answer?

In that you don;t see how, no,, for you, no, I don;t have an answer!

I guess we were just brought up differently

195 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:41:56pm

re: #184 makeitstop

Not new. I just wanted to point out to everyone who's accusing Obama of dealing from the bottom of the deck to get a load of the asshole who green-lighted the date before red-lighting it.

Sure, absolutely. Boehner seems to be looking for something to bellyache about even though as you've pointed out he seemed fine with it.

196 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:42:30pm

re: #191 albusteve

who's he?...another blog liar?

I'll take the word of whoever he is over the word of John Boehner.

The man is incapable of dealing in good faith.

197 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:42:36pm

re: #190 RogueOne

Distract. If I was giving a speech that I knew my job counted on and I thought it was a brilliant speech, I'd do what it takes to get it heard. Instead, he's picked a fight. He's told us for weeks he has a great idea, lets hear it.

Yes, Rogue. His brilliant plan to distract people from his speech is to cause an enormous amount of attention about it.

Cunning, that man. Cunning.

198 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:43:20pm

See, instead of having an argument over something substantial, like the various candidates hair or housing, we're arguing over the date of a speech.

199 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:43:21pm

Here is the 2011 Congressional schedule
 set forth well in advance, as a matter of public record.

Why did the GOP choose to schedule their debate when Congress was just getting back from a month long recess?

Why should the President not wish to address Congress as soon as possible after a month long recess about important issues?

200 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:43:32pm

re: #194 sattv4u2

In that you don;t see how, no,, for you, no, I don;t have an answer!

I guess we were just brought up differently

Yeah, I guess we were. I was taught not to pretend I have an answer when I didn't.

201 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:43:41pm

re: #197 Obdicut

Yes, Rogue. His brilliant plan to distract people from his speech is to cause an enormous amount of attention about it.

Cunning, that man. Cunning.

He's drawing attention to a fight, not a policy outline.

202 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:44:56pm

re: #200 Obdicut

Yeah, I guess we were. I was taught not to pretend I have an answer when I didn't.

And I was taught to accept someones answer, even if I disagreed with it and not badger them with "you didn't answer me ,, you didn't answer me"

203 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:45:30pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Sure, absolutely. Boehner seems to be looking for something to bellyache about even though as you've pointed out he seemed fine with it.

Boehner was fine with an Obama joint-houses speech on 9/7 before he was against it...

204 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:45:42pm

More Boehner dickishness:

Boehner’s letter says he offered 9/8 date on behalf of “bipartisan leadership.” NBC News reports that Pelosi says she was “not consulted.”

205 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:46:00pm

re: #201 RogueOne

He's drawing attention to a fight, not a policy outline.

Yep, Rogue. I'm sure you've nailed it. The same sagacity that makes you doubt global warming (error bars!) has been brought to bear on Obama's actions here and is showing the same fruit. Obama desperately wants people to not pay attention to his speech, so he did something that winds up with a lot more people knowing about the speech than would have otherwise. It even means that there will be stories about when the speech is being given.

It's a very, very cunning plan to distract from the speech. Make sure that the date of the speech is made a big deal of. That way, nobody will watch it.

So cunning.

206 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:47:09pm

WH To TPM: Boehner Was Consulted Before Date Of Jobs Speech Was Announced

Contradicting reports coming from Boehner aides, the White House confirms to TPM that Speaker Boehner was consulted before the date and time of President Obama's job speech were announced.

207 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:48:02pm

re: #200 Obdicut

Yeah, I guess we were. I was taught not to pretend I have an answer when I didn't.

are you high strung or what?....relax and show us that friendly smile

208 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:48:06pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

I think this is like the debt debate. Boehner can't control his caucus.

209 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:48:44pm

re: #207 albusteve

are you high strung or what?...relax and show us that friendly smile

I think he needs a good waterboarding.

210 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:48:44pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

God damn, Obama is cunning. See, he picked a fight by knowing that Boehner is an untrustworthy asshole, so he purposely arranged the time and date ahead of time in a desperate move to detract from the speech, because he knew that Boehner would go back on his word!

I don't know what we can do against such an arch-villains fiendishness.

211 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:12pm

re: #210 Obdicut

God damn, Obama is cunning. See, he picked a fight by knowing that Boehner is an untrustworthy asshole, so he purposely arranged the time and date ahead of time in a desperate move to detract from the speech, because he knew that Boehner would go back on his word!

I don't know what we can do against such an arch-villains fiendishness.

I don't think Boehner is driving the bus. technically he's in charge but he really has no say in what Republicans do.

212 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:35pm

I know three people having surgery today. One is a friend who is going back for the second surgery on his skin cancer in his ear (yes, in his ear, wtf?) 9 weeks after the first surgery. One is my neighbor across the street, a very young woman with a four year old son and a husband who gets to be Mr. Mom for a few days, she's having her thyroid removed. The third one (who was probably first, actually, because she's in Germany) is my 17 year old niece who is having a titanium plate attached to two vertebrae in her neck, along with some bone from her hip to get them to fuse. She dove into a shallow river a week ago.

I'm glad I'm not having surgery today. My problems seem minor. But I do need to get back to work on them.

213 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:41pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

I think he needs a good waterboarding.

Heh. I'd be happy to get waterboarded if that would convince you of the tortureness of it. I even have a friend who'd love the chance to do it. He's a nurse anesthesiologist with the air force, so I'd feel safe, and I have a secret that he'd really like to know the answer to and I'd otherwise not tell.

I'd do my level best to hold out, but unlike Hitchens and all the others who thought that it wasn't torture before being waterboarded, I already think it is, so it might not be the best test.

214 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:42pm

re: #90 Obdicut

You're wrongly interpreting opposition to old-style nuclear power as opposition to new-style, or thorium reactors.

I am correctly addressing the "no new nukes" point of view. Which is often backup by criticisms that better apply to very old installations. Or many that can be summed up as it's too hard/complicated/etc to do or as if somehow "socializing" the risk of this essential technology is a bad thing. Well AGW impacts all our societies, so that too is pretty socialized, so to speak.

Or we hear about a lack of storage for waste from those who opposed every storage proposal or installation as too hard/too expensive/too dangerous. Again often based on old information or tech.

215 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:43pm

re: #205 Obdicut

That was a pretty wild swing and a miss. The smell of desperation is spreading.

If I were the president and my polls were in the high 30's with unemployment sticking around at +9% and I had an actual jobs plan then I would want people to be focusing on that and not a stupid argument over the date of a speech. OTOH, if I had been working for weeks and still didn't have squat I'd prefer to deflect (sort of like your comment) and keep people focused on anything other than my performance.

216 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:45pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

I think he needs a good waterboarding.

I'm going wakeboarding this weekend,, does that count?

217 elisabeth  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:50:53pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Why wouldn't the president consult Speaker Boehner? Thursday is about the best day of that week to give the speech. Monday is a holiday, Tuesday people are getting back from work after said holiday, Wednesday Congress isn't back yet and Friday is ... Friday. Thursday is the perfect day for the maximum exposure and the best time to address Congress.

218 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:51:03pm

re: #204 makeitstop

More Boehner dickishness:

depends on the definition of consult...all these assholes are showboaters...they can't even get a fucking POTUS speech figured out...bunch of goddamned misfits

219 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:51:03pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Prayers to all!

220 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:52:47pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

I think he needs a good waterboarding.

LOL!
I understand it acts like a homeopathic sedative

221 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:53:44pm

re: #214 Rightwingconspirator

I am correctly addressing the "no new nukes" point of view. Which is often backup by criticisms that better apply to very old installations.

There aren't currently any proposals for next-gen plants active that I"m aware of, though.

Or we hear about a lack of storage for waste from those who opposed every storage proposal or installation as too hard/too expensive/too dangerous. Again often based on old information or tech.

I am, and the people you were addressing, are all for new tech nuclear. Thorium reactors, others that reprocess waste, even the new tech pebble bed, they're all great.

I'm much more a fan of keeping them entirely public than I am making them private, though, since there are still a load of safety issues, and the amount of regulation necessary means it's almost pointless to have it as a private concern.

222 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:53:54pm

OK, wait, all of you who are condemning the president for making this about the fight.

It appears it was BOEHNER who made it about the fight. He approved it, then publicly said no.

So, are you now going to condemn Boehner for doing this? Or is it OK if it was a Republican?

223 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:54:02pm

re: #220 albusteve

LOL!
I understand it acts like a homeopathic sedative

or if you flip over, an enema

224 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:54:52pm

re: #222 kirkspencer

So, are you now going to condemn Boehner for doing this?

Of course not! Obama poked him in the eye!!!11ty

225 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:55:15pm

re: #222 kirkspencer

OK, wait, all of you who are condemning the president for making this about the fight.

It appears it was BOEHNER who made it about the fight. He approved it, then publicly said no.

So, are you now going to condemn Boehner for doing this? Or is it OK if it was a Republican?

Boehners a dick

The presidents staff are dicks

BIPARTISANSHIP!!!

226 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:55:45pm

re: #215 RogueOne

I'm sorry, but I'm really not understanding about how a big deal being made about the timing of the speech leads to fewer people paying attention to the speech when its delivered. Can you make that clear?

227 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:55:52pm

re: #222 kirkspencer

OK, wait, all of you who are condemning the president for making this about the fight.

It appears it was BOEHNER who made it about the fight. He approved it, then publicly said no.

So, are you now going to condemn Boehner for doing this? Or is it OK if it was a Republican?

links?

228 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:56:17pm

re: #222 kirkspencer

OK, wait, all of you who are condemning the president for making this about the fight.

It appears it was BOEHNER who made it about the fight. He approved it, then publicly said no.

So, are you now going to condemn Boehner for doing this? Or is it OK if it was a Republican?

If that turns out to be the case then I'll happily eat my words. I have a hard time believing boehner would agree to that date only to withdraw and start the fight since there isn't anything at all to gain from it.

On that note, dinner has arrived. Enjoy the rest of the evening people!

229 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 2:58:53pm

Read upthread. re: #173 makeitstop

re: #206 Killgore Trout

230 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:00:20pm

re: #227 albusteve

links?

Here's one.

Granted, not much of a link. But the White House confirms the story.

231 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:00:35pm

re: #210 Obdicut

God damn, Obama is cunning. See, he picked a fight by knowing that Boehner is an untrustworthy asshole, so he purposely arranged the time and date ahead of time in a desperate move to detract from the speech, because he knew that Boehner would go back on his word!

I don't know what we can do against such an arch-villains fiendishness.

Coming soon to a congress near you is the must see movie of this year, Barack Obama stars as The Schmuck Whisperer.

232 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:00:48pm

re: #229 kirkspencer

Read upthread.

re: #206 Killgore Trout

One was a report from a blog.
The other said Boner was consulted. Being consulted doesn't mean you agreed to it.

233 jvic  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:01:12pm

Anybody who believes that this scheduling brouhaha is a principled argument about the nonpartisan merits...deserves the government we have.

Honorable allies and honorable opponents, good afternoon.

234 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:01:53pm

Gingrich tweeted:

"From one Speaker to another...nicely done John.

Compliments from Gingrich-- not exactly what a successful politician wants.

Also, does anyone else read into that a plea from Gingrich "Remember, I used to be a contenda!"

235 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:01:53pm

re: #230 makeitstop

Here's one.

Granted, not much of a link. But the White House confirms the story.

Well then, as long as there's a confirmation!!

{sigh}

236 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:02:38pm

re: #230 makeitstop

Here's one.

Granted, not much of a link. But the White House confirms the story.

LOL!...if I posted something like that as proof I'd be ripped apart

237 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:02:42pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

Well then, as long as there's a confirmation!!

{sigh}

He asked for a link, I gave him one.

238 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:03:41pm

re: #237 makeitstop

He asked for a link, I gave him one.

a link implies some degree of proof

239 elisabeth  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:04:36pm

re: #234 Obdicut

Because it's about the theater and the ODS.

Frankly, at first I thought this was a dickish move on the Administration's part and still cheered them on. They've been dicked around by Congress for three years so it's time they gave a bit back. And no one needs to talk to me about the high road.

Upon further reflection I don't see how Boehner didn't agree to the date. Someone, either Bachmann or Paul or maybe even Cantor said, "WTF!" and Boehner backed down.

240 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:04:37pm

re: #234 Obdicut

Gingrich tweeted:

Compliments from Gingrich-- not exactly what a successful politician wants.

Also, does anyone else read into that a plea from Gingrich "Remember, I used to be a contenda!"

"PS: What's your secretary's phone number?"

241 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:04:49pm

re: #238 albusteve

a link implies some degree of proof

PROOF!!

[Link: www.elvis-is-alive.com...]

242 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:04:52pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

Boehner office says White House ignored protocol: "No one in the Speaker's office...signed off on the date the White House announced today"

243 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:04:52pm

re: #173 makeitstop

This is interesting:

So... who's acting like a douchebag here?

Boehner is the king of douchebaggery, so I'd have to say it was him.

244 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:05:04pm

re: #238 albusteve

a link implies some degree of proof

Whatever, Steve. Just trying to be helpful over here.

Sheesh.

245 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:05:46pm

re: #239 elisabeth

They've been dicked around by Congress for three years
ummm,,, errrr,, the dems were in charge of congress (both houses) for two of those three years!!

246 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:07:15pm

re: #239 elisabeth

re: #245 sattv4u2


They've been dicked around by Congress for three years
ummm,,, errr,, the dems were in charge of congress (both houses) for two of those three years!!

Actually,,, two FULL years, with another 7 months for the Senate, while the repubs have only held the house for the last 7 months of those "three years"

247 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:07:39pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

re: #245 sattv4u2

Actually,,, two FULL years, with another 7 months for the Senate, while the repubs have only held the house for the last 7 months of those "three years"

Look up GOP and Filibuster.
;)

248 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:07:42pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

[Link: twitter.com...]

proof BO is lying...I just KNEW it!
I an sooo disgusted, I'll have another drink

249 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:07:58pm

Completely OT:

Regretsy.

[Link: www.regretsy.com...]

250 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:08:18pm

re: #188 jvic

thanks, btw

251 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:08:18pm

Looks like this "argument" is over.

John Harris tells me NBC/Politico's GOP presidential debate will be after Obama is done.

Which again brings up the point I made ealier in this thread. Has anyone even stopped to consider what the Organizations/People who are actually paying the bills for the debate want to do? Answer. No.

BTW, yeah, I know the link sucks and has not been verified.

252 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:08:27pm

re: #248 albusteve

proof BO is lying...I just KNEW it!
I an sooo disgusted, I'll have another drink

You LOL at my link and buy into one with just as much/little cred. Hilarious.

253 elisabeth  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:08:51pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

Let me narrow that down...Congressional Republicans and Conservative Democrats. Although Reid did a bit of dicking around himself during the healtcare debate so I'm not that far off.

254 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:09:01pm

re: #252 makeitstop

You LOL at my link and buy into one with just as much/little cred. Hilarious.

Steve is just being Steve.
You get used to it.
:)

255 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:09:26pm

And on that note, the timer is going off on the stove

Time to eat the dinner!

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:10:07pm

re: #252 makeitstop

You LOL at my link and buy into one with just as much/little cred. Hilarious.

I think he was making a funny.

257 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:10:14pm

re: #244 makeitstop

Whatever, Steve. Just trying to be helpful over here.

Sheesh.

and I'm trying to helpful too...I can't tell you how many times I've made a passing observation and got ripped for it...a lot of people here thrive on aggression

258 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:11:29pm

re: #252 makeitstop

You LOL at my link and buy into one with just as much/little cred. Hilarious.

it's a joke....a spoof, you know?

259 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:11:39pm

re: #251 Bubblehead II

Looks like this "argument" is over.

John Harris tells me NBC/Politico's GOP presidential debate will be after Obama is done.

Which again brings up the point I made ealier in this thread. Has anyone even stopped to consider what the Organizations/People who are actually paying the bills for the debate want to do? Answer. No.

BTW, yea, I know the link sucks and has not been verified.

What a mess.

260 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:11:42pm

Beer Run. bbiab

261 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:12:24pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

Steve is just being Steve.
You get used to it.
:)

two twitters do not make even one truth...he missed the point

262 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:13:24pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

Steve is just being Steve.
You get used to it.
:)

Oh, I'm used to it. It cracks me up. Nothin' serious. :)

263 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:13:58pm

re: #251 Bubblehead II

Looks like this "argument" is over.

John Harris tells me NBC/Politico's GOP presidential debate will be after Obama is done.
.

It seems like it would be to their advantage to be able to respond to anything he says in the speech.

264 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:13:59pm

re: #258 albusteve

it's a joke...a spoof, you know?

That's why I said it was hilarious. ;)

265 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:16:29pm

re: #263 jaunte

It seems like it would be to their advantage to be able to respond to anything he says in the speech.

Expect him to propose that the sky is blue, water wet, and for them to oppose these views.

266 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:17:16pm

re: #263 jaunte

It seems like it would be to their advantage to be able to respond to anything he says in the speech.

they'd rather bash gays...responding to a speech may overload their circuits

267 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:17:39pm

Bet Obama would not do a jobs address coinciding with the NCAA final four tournament.

268 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:17:52pm

NBC-Politico Debate Time In Flux After Obama-Boehner Rift

But Politico editor-in-chief John Harris, who’s co-moderating the debate with NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams, told The Huffington Post in the early afternoon that the debate's start time would be "adjusted slightly" until after Obama's done in Washington, D.C. (On MSNBC's "Hardball," Harris wouldn't commit to a specific start time: "I’m not really clear on precisely what the logistics will be," he said.)

Harris and others involved may not be clear on the start time, but Harris is convinced of the debate's importance in the election cycle. "This is effectively the first general election debate of the 2012 cycle," he said.

An NBC spokesperson similarly noted the benefits of two major political events taking place on the same night (without confirming any possible time change). "We are thrilled that we now have a terrific opportunity to hear from national leaders of both major parties about the most pressing domestic issues facing the country," the spokesperson said.

Everybody's in agreement. The Network, the sponsors, the moderators and the White House. Now we have to wait for the Republicans to get their shit together. What a fucked up and broken excuse for a political party.

269 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:19:49pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

"No true scotsman jobs plan"

271 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:20:02pm

re: #267 KenJen

Bet Obama would not do a jobs address coinciding with the NCAA final four tournament.

What?

272 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:20:16pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

NBC-Politico Debate Time In Flux After Obama-Boehner Rift

Everybody's in agreement. The Network, the sponsors, the moderators and the White House. Now we have to wait for the Republicans to get their shit together. What a fucked up and broken excuse for a political party.

it's a circus!...fire breathers, dancing elephants, lots of clowns

273 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:22:16pm

re: #267 KenJen

Bet Obama would not do a jobs address coinciding with the NCAA final four tournament.

It's true, Obama likes basketball and cares more about the Final Four than he does about GOP debates. QED He is truly history's greatest monster.

274 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:23:12pm

re: #267 KenJen

Bet Obama would not do a jobs address coinciding with the NCAA final four tournament.

Quite the rapist wit you have there.
/

275 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:23:47pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Your reading comprehension really sucks sometimes. I'm not anti nuke, I'm against privatizing profits while socializing risks, which is exactly what I said.

Which of course shows why you are anti nuke. Well, socializing risks is how we got rural areas electrified, and profits are taxable. I do not agree that government insurance needs to be a show stopper. Or that energy company profits are bad. Was I condescending? Maybe, so my bad. I tend to match same with same. 'Cause blanket statements about profits like you made are simply a differently aimed condescension.

As if there should be no profits for energy providers.

276 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:23:51pm

re: #267 KenJen

Bet Obama would not do a jobs address coinciding with the NCAA final four tournament.

And I'll bet that any team in the NCAA could beat the TGOP presidential candidates in a game of hoops.

What's your point?

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:24:01pm

re: #46 zora

We Read Rick Perry's "Fed Up!" So You Don't Have To

Takeaway quote: “Texans, on the other hand, elect folks like me — you know the type, the kind of guy who goes jogging in the morning packing a Ruger .380 with laser sights, loaded with hollow point bullets, and shoots a coyote that is threatening his daughter’s dog.”

Takeaway quote: “The branding of the ‘Compassionate Conservative’ meant that the GOP was sending the wrong signal that conservatism alone wasn’t enough. For the first time we were acting like Liberals who call themselves progressives, running away to some degree from who we were, and what we stood for.”

[Link: www.texastribune.org...]

yes, rick perry is dumb.

Is this coyote-shooting business playing well with people closer to his base? Me, I'm thinking 'yes, I've always picked people to entrust the country to on the basis that they carry while jogging, and shoot inedible 35-pound animals dead on sight'.

278 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:24:37pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Michele Bachmann: Obama’s Trying To Keep America’s Eyes Off Us With Jobs Speech

Maybe he can keep her crazy eyes off of us...now that would be a great feat.

279 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:24:57pm

re: #273 goddamnedfrank

It's true, Obama likes basketball and cares more about the Final Four than he does about GOP debates. QED He is truly history's greatest monster.

don't be fooled...he just wants every basketball fan to vote for him....same with junk food....that's alot of votes

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:25:35pm

re: #123 Charleston Chew

Common GOP complaint: "Why, oh, why won't the President bring a knife to a gun fight?!?"

Because, as various people told us until they were blue, he's from Chicago!

281 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:27:23pm

re: #276 makeitstop

And I'll bet that any team in the NCAA could beat the TGOP presidential candidates in a game of hoops.

What's your point?

the point is to inject a bit of humor into the discussion for the benefit of people like you

282 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:29:08pm

re: #281 albusteve

the point is to inject a bit of humor into the discussion for the benefit of people like you

Good one. You must think I'm mad or something.

283 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:29:35pm

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this coyote-shooting business playing well with people closer to his base? Me, I'm thinking 'yes, I've always picked people to entrust the country to on the basis that they carry while jogging, and shoot inedible 35-pound animals dead on sight'.

whoops, he said coyotes that are threatening his daughters dogs..wouldn't you?...you might if you lived in the west

284 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:29:57pm

re: #282 makeitstop

Good one. You must think I'm mad or something.

so what's your point?

285 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:30:24pm

re: #276 makeitstop
It would never happen. Call it coincidence if you like. He doesn't have the balls to go up against something like that.

286 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:30:32pm

re: #284 albusteve

so what's your point?

Wait, I have to have a point?

287 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:31:00pm

Oh Alex Jones, if we could distill you, we could have bottles of 100 proof Crazy Juice.

Alex Jones: Federal Government thinks Whites are the new Al Qaeda

288 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:32:04pm

re: #281 albusteve

the point is to inject a bit of humor into the discussion for the benefit of people like you

You think his comment was meant to be humorous? OK, I guess.

But for sure, the President is not going up against the NBA finals or the NFL opening game night. That would be stupid. For any President.

289 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:32:08pm

re: #286 makeitstop

Wait, I have to have a point?

makes no difference to me...if you don't have a point, then don't expect one from someone else

290 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:32:24pm

re: #287 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh Alex Jones, if we could distill you, we could have bottles of 100 proof Crazy Juice.

Alex Jones: Federal Government thinks Whites are the new Al Qaeda

Explains why my Mother is being waterboarded as we speak by Obama himself. And my brother thinks I am a sheep for thinking people like Jones are nutbars.

291 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:32:54pm

re: #285 KenJen

It would never happen. Call it coincidence if you like. He doesn't have the balls to go up against something like that.

So, we're back to him being ball-less. Cool. Ten minutes ago he was a big bully picking fights.

I swear, you need a weathervane around here to tell which way the outrage is blowing.

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:36:13pm

re: #283 albusteve

whoops, he said coyotes that are threatening his daughters dogs..wouldn't you?...you might if you lived in the west

Ah, if only I lived in a place where there are coyotes, I might understand...

Except I do live in a place with coyotes.

If the dog is small enough that a coyote was threatening it, he could have picked the dog up and yelled "Shoo!"

I'm not going to criticize the man for shooting a coyote. It may have been the right thing to do in the situation. But I'm also contemptuous of his acting as though this was some sort of super-tough frontiersmanly thing to do.

294 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:37:32pm

re: #291 makeitstop

So, we're back to him being ball-less. Cool. Ten minutes ago he was a big bully picking fights.

I swear, you need a weathervane around here to tell which way the outrage is blowing.

when one trashes the right, it fun and humor....trash the left and it's a mental degeneration, BDS of some sort...so watch where you step

295 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:38:00pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, if only I lived in a place where there are coyotes, I might understand...

Except I do live in a place with coyotes.

If the dog is small enough that a coyote was threatening it, he could have picked the dog up and yelled "Shoo!"

I'm not going to criticize the man for shooting a coyote. It may have been the right thing to do in the situation. But I'm also contemptuous of his acting as though this was some sort of super-tough frontiersmanly thing to do.

Yeah, but with hollow points?
Heh.

296 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:38:43pm

The far-right/reactionary-right is now in full undress, as regards race, as far as I am concerned.

Note how HotWingnuts is now going into full VDARE mode, e.g., latest article in their Green-snot room:

The Other “Anti-Science” Party

[...]

The bell curve for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the bell curve for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the bell curves for Jews and Asians are centered.

These findings are troublesome for a political party that would choose to coddle one of its most loyal voter blocs rather than expose them to the truth.They are also a tough pill to swallow for blacks, who have been reassured repeatedly that their below-average test scores are the product of years of systematic oppression or cultural bias in the test, not some inborn limitation. If one wanted to be really cruel, one might even accuse Democrats and blacks of rejecting scientific findings when they complicate their ideological worldview.

In full disclosure, let me be the first to point out that this statement was published in 1994. Let me also point out that the research since then has been ongoing and that the theory supporting a connection between race and intelligence has gained even wider acceptance.

From the NRO to HotWingnuts, the views of Buchanan, Brimelow, and the like are now the status quo.

297 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:38:49pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, if only I lived in a place where there are coyotes, I might understand...

Except I do live in a place with coyotes.

If the dog is small enough that a coyote was threatening it, he could have picked the dog up and yelled "Shoo!"

I'm not going to criticize the man for shooting a coyote. It may have been the right thing to do in the situation. But I'm also contemptuous of his acting as though this was some sort of super-tough frontiersmanly thing to do.

and I'm contemptuous of anybody that considers it an issue...coyotes are like rats

298 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:40:00pm

re: #291 makeitstop

So, we're back to him being ball-less. Cool. Ten minutes ago he was a big bully picking fights.

I swear, you need a weathervane around here to tell which way the outrage is blowing.

Time out man. I know you think i'm foul but wipe that dribble of your mouth. It's flagrant.

299 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:40:50pm

re: #295 Varek Raith

Yeah, but with hollow points?
Heh.

it's a humane load

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:41:17pm

re: #295 Varek Raith

Yeah, but with hollow points?
Heh.

I did wonder about that...

I think I react with so much contempt to this (the promotion of the coyote shooting, not the actual shooting) because it's a retread of all the 'moose-huntin' mama', 'frontier GOP' crap that they ran through in 2008, which gave me hives.

301 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:41:33pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Look at the evidence: The stimulus worked

Of course it did. It wasn't perfect, but for the most part it did what it was designed to do. The problem is the republicans, with the help of Fox, WSJ and talk radio have won the PR battle.

Also, revisions to key economic indicators in late 2008 and early 2009 have shown that we were in a much bigger downturn than was thought at the time. The stimulus needed to be bigger. But it definitely helped. We would probably have double digit unemployment otherwise.

302 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:41:35pm

re: #275 Rightwingconspirator

Actually, public power was a large reason that the rural areas got subsidized. Pure public, not just public risks.

303 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:41:45pm

re: #298 KenJen

Time out man. I know you think i'm foul but wipe that dribble of your mouth. It's flagrant.

Happy hour, eh?

304 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:05pm

re: #299 albusteve

it's a humane load

You say so.
I don't know shit about coyotes and dealing with them.
Just as well though, got enough problems with opossums.

305 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:19pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

I did wonder about that...

I think I react with so much contempt to this (the promotion of the coyote shooting, not the actual shooting) because it's a retread of all the 'moose-huntin' mama', 'frontier GOP' crap that they ran through in 2008, which gave me hives.

It's just phony populism. I don't have a problem with hunters or hunting but the whole show of it that I see many candidates make of it is something I Find stupid.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:38pm

re: #297 albusteve

and I'm contemptuous of anybody that considers it an issue...coyotes are like rats

You totally miss the point Steve. I'm not annoyed that he shot a coyote. I'm annoyed that he's promoting himself, in that passage from his book, as some kind of big man for shooting a coyote.

"Vote for me!! I carry a gun while jogging!!"

This is an accomplishment?

307 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:46pm

re: #298 KenJen

You went to charm school, didn't you?

308 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:47pm

re: #298 KenJen

Time out man. I know you think i'm foul but wipe that dribble of your mouth. It's flagrant.

re: #299 albusteve

it's a humane load

Reading these 2 comments back to back can cause some weird imagery.

309 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:42:59pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

I don't think Boehner is driving the bus. technically he's in charge but he really has no say in what Republicans do.

Might as well be Rush...after all, he's the main TPGOP fixer in the media, besides Ailes

310 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:43:08pm

re: #304 Varek Raith

You say so.
I don't know shit about coyotes and dealing with them.
Just as well though, got enough problems with opossums.

You live in Northern Va too right, we got the deer problem. Could always have more venison meat.

311 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:43:26pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I have shot about twenty wild pigs. What does that get me?

Am I a governor now?

312 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:44:05pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

You totally miss the point Steve. I'm not annoyed that he shot a coyote. I'm annoyed that he's promoting himself, in that passage from his book, as some kind of big man for shooting a coyote.

"Vote for me!! I carry a gun while jogging!!"

This is an accomplishment?

Last time I saw someone do that, the cops brought him down with a taser.

313 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:44:09pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

You live in Northern Va too right, we got the deer problem. Could always have more venison meat.

Yep, deer are annoying.
Have a lot of rabbits too.
re: #311 Obdicut

I have shot about twenty wild pigs. What does that get me?

Am I a governor now?

Some damn good bacon?

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:44:28pm

re: #311 Obdicut

I have shot about twenty wild pigs. What does that get me?

Well-fed?

315 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:45:02pm

re: #311 Obdicut

I have shot about twenty wild pigs. What does that get me?

Am I a governor now?

Pork chops? Ribs?

316 Lidane  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:46:14pm

re: #7 makeitstop

Shorter Obama: I'm president, all you pandering nutjobs are not. Deal with it.

Even shorter Obama: Bully pulpit, I haz one.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:46:29pm

I know a guy who almost shot a raccoon in his kitchen once, but his mother wouldn't let him. So he pepper-sprayed it.

Note to all of you out there: pepper spray does not seem to upset raccoons in the slightest. It gave him a "WTF?" look, and went on rifling through his cupboards.

318 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:46:35pm

The only thing I ever shot were pigeons of the clay species.
That and the most evil of things, paper.
:)

319 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:47:55pm

re: #301 blueraven

Of course it did. It wasn't perfect, but for the most part it did what it was designed to do. The problem is the republicans, with the help of Fox, WSJ and talk radio have won the PR battle.

Also, revisions to key economic indicators in late 2008 and early 2009 have shown that we were in a much bigger downturn than was thought at the time. The stimulus needed to be bigger. But it definitely helped. We would probably have double digit unemployment otherwise.

so how can you tell it worked?...is there some science you can apply?...saving and creating numbers is probably easy to do...are we better off?...how do you measure that?....unemployment went up, what does that mean?...when you say definately, you sound pretty sure....there are tons of economists that do not consider the Stimulus a success...what about them?...the feds have finally decided that they really didn't know what the fuck was going on, but they are sure the Stimulus prevented a world wide catastrophy...how do they know that?

320 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:49:01pm

re: #304 Varek Raith

You say so.
I don't know shit about coyotes and dealing with them.
Just as well though, got enough problems with opossums.

During a nature walk in a San Diego canyon years ago the leader explained that when the coyotes go the opossum population explodes (coyotes eat opossums) and the opossums eat birds eggs - that was why there were so few birds around.

321 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:49:40pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

You totally miss the point Steve. I'm not annoyed that he shot a coyote. I'm annoyed that he's promoting himself, in that passage from his book, as some kind of big man for shooting a coyote.

"Vote for me!! I carry a gun while jogging!!"

This is an accomplishment?

whatever...I don't keep up on what every pol says every day...it's just another cherry picked phony outrage

322 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:50:12pm

re: #295 Varek Raith

Yeah, but with hollow points?
Heh.

Possibly the HP loads are to make sure the bullet doesn't keep going and hit something else.

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a guy who almost shot a raccoon in his kitchen once, but his mother wouldn't let him. So he pepper-sprayed it.

Note to all of you out there: pepper spray does not seem to upset raccoons in the slightest. It gave him a "WTF?" look, and went on rifling through his cupboards.

Not every animal has the same reaction to capsaicin. Birds, for example, have no issues eating even the hottest chiles. Maybe raccoons are the same way?

323 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:50:20pm

My governor got a score of 100% on her shooting test to renew her concealed carry license. She does not pretend that her weapon is for anything other than shooting people. She has carried a gun since she worked for her father's security firm when she was still in school, but not concealed. She can kick Rick Perry's ass from here to Sunday.

324 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:50:45pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a guy who almost shot a raccoon in his kitchen once, but his mother wouldn't let him. So he pepper-sprayed it.

Note to all of you out there: pepper spray does not seem to upset raccoons in the slightest. It gave him a "WTF?" look, and went on rifling through his cupboards.

I spray the unruly critters who get into the trash/recyclables with a hose.
Persistent buggers.

325 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:50:59pm

re: #301 blueraven

Of course it did. It wasn't perfect, but for the most part it did what it was designed to do. The problem is the republicans, with the help of Fox, WSJ and talk radio have won the PR battle.

I'm not so sure about that. The question is going to come up during the debates and the MSM is most likely going to fact check Republicans claims that they would have done nothing instead of stimulating the economy. I don't think it;s going to work out for them.

326 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:50:59pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a guy who almost shot a raccoon in his kitchen once, but his mother wouldn't let him. So he pepper-sprayed it.

Note to all of you out there: pepper spray does not seem to upset raccoons in the slightest. It gave him a "WTF?" look, and went on rifling through his cupboards.

It probably thought that was seasoning.

327 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:51:08pm

if a person collects a paycheck from the govt...I already don't trust them

328 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:51:25pm

re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea

Possibly the HP loads are to make sure the bullet doesn't keep going and hit something else.

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

Not every animal has the same reaction to capsaicin. Birds, for example, have no issues eating even the hottest chiles. Maybe raccoons are the same way?

Good point.
See? This is what happens when I comment about bullets I don't understand.
:)

329 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:51:58pm

re: #319 albusteve

so how can you tell it worked?...is there some science you can apply?...saving and creating numbers is probably easy to do...are we better off?...how do you measure that?...unemployment went up, what does that mean?...when you say definately, you sound pretty sure...there are tons of economists that do not consider the Stimulus a success...what about them?...the feds have finally decided that they really didn't know what the fuck was going on, but they are sure the Stimulus prevented a world wide catastrophy...how do they know that?

Did you click on the link and read? Have you read the CBO report? Some things are measurable after the fact Steve.

330 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:52:12pm

re: #319 albusteve

so how can you tell it worked?...is there some science you can apply?...saving and creating numbers is probably easy to do...are we better off?...how do you measure that?...unemployment went up, what does that mean?...when you say definately, you sound pretty sure...there are tons of economists that do not consider the Stimulus a success...what about them?...the feds have finally decided that they really didn't know what the fuck was going on, but they are sure the Stimulus prevented a world wide catastrophy...how do they know that?

Economics, it's a science. You can read the CBO report yourself if you don;t believe it.

331 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:53:13pm

re: #299 albusteve

re: #304 Varek Raith

It is. A HP is designed to impart the full load of kinetic energy into the body mass of the target insuring a quick kill. A FMJ on the other hand is designed to just punch a hole into the target mass and pass through while causing as little damage as possible to the surrounding area.

BTW, I'm back.

332 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:53:27pm

re: #323 wrenchwench

My governor got a score of 100% on her shooting test to renew her concealed carry license. She does not pretend that her weapon is for anything other than shooting people. She has carried a gun since she worked for her father's security firm when she was still in school, but not concealed. She can kick Rick Perry's ass from here to Sunday.

she sold our jet!

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:53:41pm

re: #320 Bobibutu

During a nature walk in a San Diego canyon years ago the leader explained that when the coyotes go the opossum population explodes (coyotes eat opossums) and the opossums eat birds eggs - that was why there were so few birds around.

Possums are so hideous they're sort of adorable.

My favorite local wildlife is the flocks of wild turkeys that sometimes show up. I've seen them sauntering down the street in Richmond from time to time, and earlier this summer I spotted a couple groups of them in my neighborhood.

My husband has never seen them, and thinks I am hallucinating, but there was, at one point, about a dozen turkeys standing all over the lawn down the street, eating stuff out of the grass.

334 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:54:06pm

re: #307 Obdicut

You went to charm school, didn't you?

Flunked out. I am confused. I make a comment that is probably true, then try to make a pun out of it and I'm basically called a drunk. Y'all need to lighten up.

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:54:33pm

re: #321 albusteve

whatever...I don't keep up on what every pol says every day...it's just another cherry picked phony outrage

Well, in the sense that I wouldn't vote for the man if he didn't carry while jogging, yes!

336 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:54:35pm

re: #332 albusteve

she sold our jet!

Good for her. Bill needed that to haul his ego around.

337 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:54:51pm

re: #327 albusteve

if a person collects a paycheck from the govt...I already don't trust them

The PFC in the US Marines gets paid by the government.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:56:48pm

re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea

Possibly the HP loads are to make sure the bullet doesn't keep going and hit something else.

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

Not every animal has the same reaction to capsaicin. Birds, for example, have no issues eating even the hottest chiles. Maybe raccoons are the same way?

It looks like. I've never looked it up, but by his account, he pretty much got it point-blank, and it snorted and then kept ripping the cornflakes package open.

Eventually he got it out of the kitchen by laying down a trail of bologna until it ate its way outdoors, and then slammed the door on it.

339 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:57:49pm

re: #327 albusteve

if a person collects a paycheck from the govt...I already don't trust them

So you don't trust our Military?

340 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:58:36pm

re: #339 Bubblehead II

So you don't trust our Military?

Federal Forestry Service personnel are also high suspect.

341 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:59:00pm

re: #296 freetoken

The far-right/reactionary-right is now in full undress, as regards race, as far as I am concerned.

Note how HotWingnuts is now going into full VDARE mode, e.g., latest article in their Green-snot room:

The Other “Anti-Science” Party


From the NRO to HotWingnuts, the views of Buchanan, Brimelow, and the like are now the status quo.

As an experiment, I've thought about doing a random sampling of articles and associated comments from sites like HotAir, Atlas, and Brietbart, and posting those mixed in with articles/comments from sites like VDare, AmRen, and Stormfront - with the blatantly racist words and phrases "cleaned up" (for lack of a better description). Then it would be the reader's challenge to see if they could identify if the source was the "mainstream" sites, or the WN groups.

342 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:59:24pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Economics, it's a science. You can read the CBO report yourself if you don;t believe it.

you know what I think of the CBO...but when you say success, it needs to be measured against failure and it can't...it's faith based, either you believe it or you don't....there has been so much propaganda published regarding the stimulus that I don't believe anybody....it saved some union jobs and bailed out state budgets...and we are back to where we were...if the feds said that the Stimulus would accomplish this and that and it didn't then who measures the success?...it didn't hold unemployment at 8% which was a primary selling point

343 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:01:03pm

re: #336 wrenchwench

Good for her. Bill needed that to haul his ego around.

must have been one of those giant cargo planes

344 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:01:14pm

11th foot found in Vancouver since 2007

Upon closer inspection, van Streun saw there was a leg protruding from the shoe. Not wanting it to float away, he fished the foot out of the water with two fingers and laid it on the dock.

The unusual discovery triggered van Streun's memory of similar incidents in Vancouver, and he called police immediately.

Police cordoned off the area and the BC Coroners Service has taken charge of the investigation.

"[It was] quite disturbing -- quite a discovery to make," Vancouver Police Const. Jana McGuinness told reporters.

The discovery marks the 11th human foot to wash up in the coastal region from B.C. to northwestern Washington since August 2007.

345 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:01:48pm

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The PFC in the US Marines gets paid by the government.

no way

346 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:02:20pm

re: #345 albusteve

no way

Shocking, I know.

347 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:02:40pm

re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Federal Forestry Service personnel are also high suspect.

Probably should have also included BLM and Hot Shot personell as well.

348 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:06:36pm

re: #347 Bubblehead II

Probably should have also included BLM and Hot Shot personell as well.

MAVERICK!!!
/

349 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:08:09pm

re: #334 KenJen

Flunked out. I am confused. I make a comment that is probably true, then try to make a pun out of it and I'm basically called a drunk. Y'all need to lighten up.

I'm just one person. I'm not plural. And are you always that sensitive?

350 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:09:58pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shocking, I know.

oh man...what about the Coasties?...don't tell me

351 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:11:14pm

re: #350 albusteve

oh man...what about the Coasties?...don't tell me

Afraid so.

352 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:11:42pm

re: #350 albusteve

oh man...what about the Coasties?...don't tell me

They're ok.
Poseidon pays them in sea shells.

353 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:16:28pm

re: #342 albusteve

you know what I think of the CBO...but when you say success, it needs to be measured against failure and it can't...it's faith based, either you believe it or you don't...there has been so much propaganda published regarding the stimulus that I don't believe anybody...it saved some union jobs and bailed out state budgets...and we are back to where we were...if the feds said that the Stimulus would accomplish this and that and it didn't then who measures the success?...it didn't hold unemployment at 8% which was a primary selling point

Believe what you want...who cares? Take the republican talking points and parrot them all day long, doesn't make it so.

354 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:18:17pm

re: #302 Obdicut

I was thinking of the TVA. Of course now, a bit later I have the link.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

""The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) is a federally owned corporation in the United States created by congressional charter in May 1933 to provide navigation, flood control, electricity generation, fertilizer manufacturing, and economic development in the Tennessee Valley, a region particularly affected by the Great Depression. The enterprise was a result of the efforts of Senator George W. Norris of Nebraska. TVA was envisioned not only as a provider, but also as a regional economic development agency that would use federal experts and electricity to rapidly modernize the region's economy and society.""

355 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:18:54pm

re: #353 blueraven

Believe what you want...who cares? Take the republican talking points and parrot them all day long, doesn't make it so.

they should be everybody's talking points...I'm not into blind partisanship

356 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:25:36pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a guy who almost shot a raccoon in his kitchen once, but his mother wouldn't let him. So he pepper-sprayed it.

Note to all of you out there: pepper spray does not seem to upset raccoons in the slightest. It gave him a "WTF?" look, and went on rifling through his cupboards.

We had a possum stroll right into out apartment after the dry cat food. I had a couple idiot neighbors tell me to shoot it.

LOL. I was tempted to say "Okay you hold him still I'll shoot him" But of course I did not.

Then we took the cushion off two couches and made a path on the floor to the door. Next I went after it with a ordinary broom. Upon seeing the broom and a clear way out, it ran out never to be seen by us again. Heh, I should have taped that whole thing.

357 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:29:07pm

re: #356 Rightwingconspirator

We had a possum stroll right into out apartment after the dry cat food. I had a couple idiot neighbors tell me to shoot it.

LOL. I was tempted to say "Okay you hold him still I'll shoot him" But of course I did not.

Then we took the cushion off two couches and made a path on the floor to the door. Next I went after it with a ordinary broom. Upon seeing the broom and a clear way out, it ran out never to be seen by us again. Heh, I should have taped that whole thing.

well done...my first impulse is not to kill a pest...I grew up with racoons and possums...outsmarting them is the best way to deal with them

358 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:30:12pm

"Go Obama, Go Obama, Go Obama Go!"

359 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:30:56pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

I don't disagree with you at all.
However, the GOP does.

That's why I'm a GOP free conservative ©. Kinda like pesticide free veggies.
Fiscal con anyway, socially not really.

360 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:31:22pm

re: #358 prairiefire

"Go Obama, Go Obama, Go Obama Go!"

he has nowhere to go except back to the drawing board

361 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:35:07pm

re: #349 Obdicut

I'm just one person. I'm not plural. And are you always that sensitive?

Can you comment on "the probably true, pun intendend and the accusation that I'm a drunk part" instead of focusing on pluralisms?

362 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:42:47pm

30 minutes till football.. Bears at Titans...
Yawn...
I learned something about Football the other day listening to Coach Pat Jones...
Have you ever wondered why when the offensive lineman are at the line who the hell they keep pointing too? It gets somewhat annoying.. Yes we know there are defensive players on the other side of the line.. Stop pointing at them...Well here is what they are doing..The first thing the line wants to do is point out who on defense is middle linebacker for that play and where he is.. He is always called Mike.. So the first thing is find out where Mike is and take it from there....Then the QB takes over..Say Peyton Manning.. He calls out the play pointing out defensive key positions
A few years ago he got on this kick of calling out to a pass play was Apple apple apple.. I hated that...Is that the best you got Colts? Apple?
Fruity way to call plays in the NFL if you ask me..What does Tomato mean..A post play? Grape is a slant over the middle?

363 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:44:33pm

re: #327 albusteve

if a person collects a paycheck from the govt...I already don't trust them

re: #339 Bubblehead II

So you don't trust our Military?

Still awaiting an answer. But I expect all we will hear is crickets.

364 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:44:35pm

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

Possums are so hideous they're sort of adorable.

My favorite local wildlife is the flocks of wild turkeys that sometimes show up. I've seen them sauntering down the street in Richmond from time to time, and earlier this summer I spotted a couple groups of them in my neighborhood.

My husband has never seen them, and thinks I am hallucinating, but there was, at one point, about a dozen turkeys standing all over the lawn down the street, eating stuff out of the grass.

Turkeys are all over Richmond especially near the marina where there is open space.
Out here at Rossmore in Walnut Creek we have roaming herds of them along with the deer and coyotes and some say they have seen a mountain lion or two over the years. 5 a.m. with a bunch of turkeys gobbling outside your window is such a joy. /

365 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:46:16pm

re: #364 Bobibutu

Turkeys are all over Richmond especially near the marina where there is open space.
Out here at Rossmore in Walnut Creek we have roaming herds of them along with the deer and coyotes and some say they have seen a mountain lion or two over the years. 5 a.m. with a bunch of turkeys gobbling outside your window is such a joy. /

That would take away my excuse for not hunting. That being "the store is closer".

366 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:46:28pm

re: #363 Bubblehead II

re: #339 Bubblehead II

Still awaiting an answer. But I expect all we will hear is crickets.

I've answered that stupid question 50 times...not up to at the present

367 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:48:07pm

re: #362 HoosierHoops

30 minutes till football.. Bears at Titans...
Yawn...
I learned something about Football the other day listening to Coach Pat Jones...
Have you ever wondered why when the offensive lineman are at the line who the hell they keep pointing too? It gets somewhat annoying.. Yes we know there are defensive players on the other side of the line.. Stop pointing at them...Well here is what they are doing..The first thing the line wants to do is point out who on defense is middle linebacker for that play and where he is.. He is always called Mike.. So the first thing is find out where Mike is and take it from there...Then the QB takes over..Say Peyton Manning.. He calls out the play pointing out defensive key positions
A few years ago he got on this kick of calling out to a pass play was Apple apple apple.. I hated that...Is that the best you got Colts? Apple?
Fruity way to call plays in the NFL if you ask me..What does Tomato mean..A post play? Grape is a slant over the middle?

Barber, Williams and Leonard Davis all went the the Bears from the Cowboys...I'll watch for that reason, and it's football eh?

368 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:49:39pm

re: #361 KenJen

Can you comment on "the probably true, pun intendend and the accusation that I'm a drunk part" instead of focusing on pluralisms?

I did. That's why I asked if you're always this sensitive.

I'm really not sure what you're trying for here. You tried to make a joke, it failed, and you told someone to wipe their mouths, which is just... weird.

369 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:49:56pm

re: #360 albusteve

he has nowhere to go except back to the drawing board

Ok. As long as it is him and none of the Republican candidates.

370 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:50:30pm

re: #367 albusteve

Barber, Williams and Leonard Davis all went the the Bears from the Cowboys...I'll watch for that reason, and it's football eh?

Yup..Gotta watch. If it gets boring I can always watch something else...
I don't like either team..
For the love of the game...

371 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:52:15pm

re: #369 prairiefire

Ok. As long as it is him and none of the Republican candidates.

BO likes to campaign rather than govern...some consider him presidential and effective, others consider him a bust, too many in fact...he is now in full auto campaign mode again

372 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:53:00pm

re: #365 Rightwingconspirator

That would take away my excuse for not hunting. That being "the store is closer".

They are all considered wild pets here. Little or no fear of the resident humans. Most of us do not feed them. Dogs must be leashed so they don't chase them. I must confess that around Thanksgiving I do get thots about a wild turkey dinner or two.

373 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:53:50pm

Well, I'm back from the doc's. He did the cold stethoscope on the chest and back thing and said I sound OK for now. He thinks it could be asthma, COPD, or a cardio problem. He sent me for a chest x-ray, gave me an inhaler and forwarded my name to a heart/lung guy. I'm going to stress test the inhaler this weekend.

I have no idea what is going on because we have no heart problems in our family, I don't smoke and haven't for a long time, and only my sister has had asthma. If it's one of those three then it's likely environmental.

374 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:54:40pm

re: #370 HoosierHoops

Yup..Gotta watch. If it gets boring I can always watch something else...
I don't like either team..
For the love of the game...

for years, I desperately missed my boys Friday night HS games...I just love the game, not a huge stats nut or a fantasy guy...just play and I'm happy

375 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:55:59pm

re: #366 albusteve

Links them if you please. I may have missed them. If so. you will receive a full retraction/apology from me.

376 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:57:37pm

re: #375 Bubblehead II

Links them if you please. I may have missed them. If so. you will receive a full retraction/apology from me.

no...you are trying to make more of it than it is...
I hate the feds

377 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:58:39pm

re: #372 Bobibutu

They are all considered wild pets here. Little or no fear of the resident humans. Most of us do not feed them. Dogs must be leashed so they don't chase them. I must confess that around Thanksgiving I do get thots about a wild turkey dinner or two.

very tasty...but like a goose, no white meat

378 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:59:11pm

re: #361 KenJen

Can you comment on "the probably true, pun intendend and the accusation that I'm a drunk part" instead of focusing on pluralisms?

My post really bothered you that much? Damn.

379 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:00:32pm

re: #368 Obdicut

I did. That's why I asked if you're always this sensitive.

I'm really not sure what you're trying for here. You tried to make a joke, it failed, and you told someone to wipe their mouths, which is just... weird.

Wipe the dribble. Basketball Pun. I respect you. Not going to argue.

380 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:00:59pm

re: #378 makeitstop

My post really bothered you that much? Damn.

Which one?

381 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:02:37pm

re: #380 KenJen

Which one?

post minucia...get used to it

382 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:03:42pm

re: #381 albusteve

Minutia.

383 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:05:57pm

re: #382 prairiefire

Minutia.

what's that?...oh, I get it, thanks

384 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:07:27pm

re: #376 albusteve

no...you are trying to make more of it than it is...
I hate the feds

Well don't we all.//

You still haven't answered the question. Do you trust Our Military (They get checks from the Fed) Still awaiting a answer. It is simple a simple yes/no question.

385 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:08:46pm

Guess I'm a not funny, weird, drunk, ultra sensitive, bothered person. I have training early tomorrow. Better get some rest. Nite nite.

386 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:09:17pm

re: #327 albusteve

if a person collects a paycheck from the govt...I already don't trust them

You just insulted my dad, my brother, and my mom.... so thnx...

387 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:09:30pm

re: #375 Bubblehead II

Links them if you please. I may have missed them. If so. you will receive a full retraction/apology from me.

okay...I'm a jerk
here it is...when I hate the feds I'm referring to elected officials and their cronies, pimps, lobbyists and whores that buy and sell each other...the lawmakers hovering around the capitol...I do not hate the Marine Corps Band or the Park Service

388 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:10:47pm

re: #386 jamesfirecat

You just insulted my dad, my brother, and my mom... so thnx...

are you a noob?....I've been saying it for over four years and you're just now insulted?

389 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:11:37pm

everybody happy again?

390 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:12:02pm

re: #387 albusteve

That's an amazingly small percentage of people who make up the federal government. Why ignore everyone else who comprises it?

And can I remind you what you actually said?

re: #327 albusteve

if a person collects a paycheck from the govt...I already don't trust them

You just said something dumb. It happens. To some, more than others.

391 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:14:01pm

re: #390 Obdicut

That's an amazingly small percentage of people who make up the federal government. Why ignore everyone else who comprises it?

And can I remind you what you actually said?

re: #327 albusteve

You just said something dumb. It happens. To some, more than others.

you have no sense of satire whatsoever...did anybody ever tell you that?...don't be so anal and you just might get stuff figured out rather than post in you I don't get it daze

392 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:14:22pm

re: #389 albusteve

everybody happy again?

I'll be happy when you appologize to my dad and my brother who both work at the FDA trying to make sure we have safe food to eat and safe drugs to help cure/recover from injuries and my mom who works as as a network specialist at a school so as to make it possible for kids to get an education in maters more technical than a slide rule. All three of them get paid by the government.

393 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:16:25pm

re: #334 KenJen

Flunked out. I am confused. I make a comment that is probably true, then try to make a pun out of it and I'm basically called a drunk. Y'all need to lighten up.

Sorry, dude, only a few of us are officially licensed to make bad puns. Fill out the app you were handed when you joined and hand it in with $200.00 and we'll review it. If you qualify for a Pun license, we'll let you know shortly.

394 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:17:10pm

re: #392 jamesfirecat

I'll be happy when you appologize to my dad and my brother who both work at the FDA trying to make sure we have safe food to eat and safe drugs to help cure/recover from injuries and my mom who works as as a network specialist at a school so as to make it possible for kids to get an education in maters more technical than a slide rule. All three of them get paid by the government.

well that's not gonna happen

395 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:17:13pm

re: #387 albusteve

okay...I'm a jerk
here it is...when I hate the feds I'm referring to elected officials and their cronies, pimps, lobbyists and whores that buy and sell each other...the lawmakers hovering around the capitol...I do not hate the Marine Corps Band or the Park Service

I can except that. And yes, you are are a jerk. But then, so am I...

396 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:18:29pm

re: #393 b_sharp

Sorry, dude, only a few of us are officially licensed to make bad puns. Fill out the app you were handed when you joined and hand it in with $200.00 and we'll review it. If you qualify for a Pun license, we'll let you know shortly.

LOL!
terrific idea

397 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:19:23pm

re: #395 Bubblehead II

I can except that. And yes, you are are a jerk. But then, so am I...

we are one...
ooh rah!

398 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:22:31pm

re: #392 jamesfirecat

I'll be happy when you appologize to my dad and my brother who both work at the FDA trying to make sure we have safe food to eat and safe drugs to help cure/recover from injuries and my mom who works as as a network specialist at a school so as to make it possible for kids to get an education in maters more technical than a slide rule. All three of them get paid by the government.

I'm back. Did you mean matters? Your mom is a school teacher?

399 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:23:06pm

re: #398 KenJen

I'm back. Did you mean matters? Your mom is a school teacher?

an excellent pun

400 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:25:16pm

re: #399 albusteve

an excellent pun

Thank yew.

401 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:26:42pm

re: #397 albusteve

we are one...
ooh rah!

Don't push it. And with that note, I am moving up to the new thread.

402 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:26:44pm

re: #5 iossarian

There is no scheduling conflict here: either you want to hear about job creation, or you don't.

If you do, then you have no interest in the GOP debate.

If you don't then you have no interest in hearing Obama's plan.

Idle curiosity, perhaps. But the GOP debate will be conducted in la la land where CO2 is plant food, and the president's speech figures to be long on soaring rhetoric and short on concrete, doable proposals.

403 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:28:40pm

re: #402 lostlakehiker

Idle curiosity, perhaps. But the GOP debate will be conducted in la la land where CO2 is plant food, and the president's speech figures to be long on soaring rhetoric and short on concrete, doable proposals.

Sounds like concrete is being replaced by asphalt.

404 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:33:19pm

re: #387 albusteve

okay...I'm a jerk
here it is...when I hate the feds I'm referring to elected officials and their cronies, pimps, lobbyists and whores that buy and sell each other...the lawmakers hovering around the capitol...I do not hate the Marine Corps Band or the Park Service

Heck. I don't hate Congress. The members are narrow, political folk who are good at raising funds and getting elected, but many of them mean well and fondly imagine that what they're fighting for would work if only it could be enacted.

The lobbyists try to educate Congress to the disastrous consequences to be expected from measure X, and the beneficent bounty from Y. Or the other way around.

They believe their bread is buttered by the side for which they speak. They're no worse than used car salesmen. And anyway, they don't draw a government paycheck.

405 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:41:01pm

re: #398 KenJen

I'm back. Did you mean matters? Your mom is a school teacher?

She works in a school, but she's a network administrator which basically means that she's in charge of running the school's tech support for both students and teachers. So she's not a teacher in the sense that she has a class and grades papers but she still helps people learn things.

406 KenJen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:47:56pm

re: #393 b_sharp

Sorry, dude, only a few of us are officially licensed to make bad puns. Fill out the app you were handed when you joined and hand it in with $200.00 and we'll review it. If you qualify for a Pun license, we'll let you know shortly.

Dudette please. Sounds like a pun tax to me. / Later.

407 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:50:15pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

Luke Russert

House historian says public move by Boehner to tell #Obama to change date is unprecedented. Negotiations usually happen behind closed doors

Based on that this must clearly be unprecedented as well -- publicly threatening to use Senate procedural maneuvers to block a Joint Session of Crongress:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Sen. Jim DeMint vowed Wednesday to try to block President Barack Obama from addressing a joint session of Congress on the same day as a Republican presidential debate next week.

Obama could learn something from the GOP, DeMint reasoned, in adding his voice — and his vote — to a growing chorus of Republican objections.

...

“If he has a jobs proposal, put it in writing, give us a cost estimate, and send it over. I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter. If he insists on playing politics by picking the night of the GOP debate, I will object to the session.”

408 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:55:16pm

re: #406 KenJen

Dudette please. Sounds like a pun tax to me. / Later.

Ah, gender confusion. That's going in your file.

It's not a tax, it's a handling fee and a bribe.

409 sagehen  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:36:05pm

re: #407 simoom

“If he has a jobs proposal, put it in writing, give us a cost estimate, and send it over. I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.”

I've never been president, but in my lesser jobs I know that when I asked for a meeting to discuss something with someone and they said "mail it to me, I'll look it over," that usually meant "Go fuck yourself. I'm going to say 'no' to whatever it is, I can't be bothered trying to maintain any sort of civil relationship with you because I'm always going to say 'no' to anything you ever want for the rest of time."

410 thecommodore  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:47:51pm

Obama has agreed to reschedule his address to the following day, which is the kickoff of the 2011 NFL season.

MSNBC Video
411 wee fury  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:59:29pm

re: #410 thecommodore

Obama has agreed to reschedule his address to the following day, which is the kickoff of the 2011 NFL season.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Oh, NO! The outrage!!!
///

412 im_gumby_damnit  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:09:38pm

re: #410 thecommodore

Obama has agreed to reschedule his address to the following day, which is the kickoff of the 2011 NFL season.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Way to go Boehner. Now we have a serious scheduling conflict.

413 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:42:24pm

re: #407 simoom

[Link: twitter.com...]

Based on that this must clearly be unprecedented as well -- publicly threatening to use Senate procedural maneuvers to block a Joint Session of Crongress:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Being President While Black is also unprecedented. The conservative movement is almost entirely about cultural resentment and so long as the president is the living breathing embodiment of what they resent expect the unprecedented from the GOP to continue.

414 thecommodore  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:44:20pm

I hear Hannity was crowing about Obama "caving."

Figures!

415 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:35:04pm

re: #283 albusteve

whoops, he said coyotes that are threatening his daughters dogs..wouldn't you?...you might if you lived in the west

Oh man, coyotes are pretty much everywhere in the US.

They are here in my neighborhood in Nashville TN.
I took a photo of a dead one hit by a car just down the street from my house; but apparently I'm not smart enough to get my smart phone to upload it to LGF.

416 CarleeCork  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:39:54pm

re: #17 albusteve

so why hasn't the economy turned around?...I don't have anything against green jobs, but as a cornerstone to improving the economy, it's pretty much a bust...getting more nukes on board makes far more sense

We need MORE tax cuts. They created so many jobs! NOT. Corporate profits and corporate CEO benefits are at an all-time high. So, why aren't they hiring?

The answer is demand. What creates demand? That would be consumers. No jobs, no consumers.

One more question. Does the government create jobs or not? Taxes on corporate America are at an all time low. Why isn't corporate America hiring?

Answer: They don't have to. They can work their employees harder than ever with less benefits.

417 Timmeh  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:13:57pm

re: #410 thecommodore

Obama has agreed to reschedule his address to the following day, which is the kickoff of the 2011 NFL season.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Why is it always Obama who backs down?

418 thecommodore  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:39:47am

re: #417 Timmeh

Because he is weak. It is that simple.

This is the same president who could have stopped the hemorrhaging of Democrats across the country last year by simply getting out front and defending his and their numerous accomplishments, but was instead tepid at best. The result was that a bunch of wingnuts took over.

This is the same administration who fired Shirley Sherrod over something Andrew Breirtbart...yeah...Andrew FUCKING BREITBART posted on his website, and who feared what GLENN BECK would say about it.

And now he caves...again...like he did in the debt ceiling debate...to a guy with a spray on tan who cries.

This is why next year's election is the GOP's to lose, because Obama stopped fighting, and I can't figure out why.

Yeah...Rick Perry could be president. A entirely preventable possibility, but a real one all the same.


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