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1 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:03:29pm

I was hoping those mushrooms at the start wouldn't get wasted...fun video.

2 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:03:53pm

That was refreshing.
XD

3 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:06:38pm

This is your mind on drugs..
That was like watching an animated version of Cheech and Chong without any dialog...I give it an 85 cause it was easy to dance to

4 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:12:29pm

I can sit here and read and post comments for hours, but put up a 10 minute video and my reaction is "I don't have time for that!" which I suddenly realized is bullshit, so I watched it. I enjoyed it. It may have helped me to overcome the trauma of my inability to catch a bus in my youth.

5 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:19:46pm

"I’d call this the “afternoon insanity break,” but it’s too freaking insane for that."

So was that vid. Just went "Whoosh" as it passed by my head.

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:33:07pm

Reminds me of The Parable of Mushin, One of my favorites. Worth the effort, it's a short read.

7 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:33:14pm
8 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:35:09pm

re: #7 freetoken

[Video]

I wondered why there was no intro

9 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:42:15pm

Hee hee.

10 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:48:23pm

Hilarious video. But I gotta go this computer is about to be retired for good. I just gotta take it to my guy who will pull a big HD from it and swap it into a new I6 win7/win xp dual boot tower.

Have a great evening everyone!

11 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:18:52pm

Perhaps it's a hopeful sign of the increasing irrelevance of Ann Coulter, but I see that here latest rants against Darwin and Evolution are getting less play than they used to.

Just today Human Events ran another one of Coulter's anti-science rants... PZed picked up on one last week that ran, but other than the hard core creationism-battle types it hasn't drawn much attention.

I'm wondering if Coulter is just trying to find a new sort of relevance in the wake of Perry's ignorant remarks - given that Perry gets 1000x the media coverage that Coulter (and other fading talking heads) receive?

My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.

My concern is that a far darker, and more knee-jerk, movement is forming among the populace, sprouting out of the dwindling opportunities for good jobs and the bleak outlook for retirees. Groups are capable of making quite stupid decisions, based on fears and insecurity.

I do hope that President Obama can rise to the occasion, a la FDR, and speak about the social well-being and that fear is too potent to be a play thing for nascent demagogues.

12 3CPO  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:19:48pm

Dammit. My shrooms were never that good.

13 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:23:04pm

re: #11 freetoken

Perhaps it's a hopeful sign of the increasing irrelevance of Ann Coulter, but I see that here latest rants against Darwin and Evolution are getting less play than they used to.

Just today Human Events ran another one of Coulter's anti-science rants... PZed picked up on one last week that ran, but other than the hard core creationism-battle types it hasn't drawn much attention.

I'm wondering if Coulter is just trying to find a new sort of relevance in the wake of Perry's ignorant remarks - given that Perry gets 1000x the media coverage that Coulter (and other fading talking heads) receive?

My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.

My concern is that a far darker, and more knee-jerk, movement is forming among the populace, sprouting out of the dwindling opportunities for good jobs and the bleak outlook for retirees. Groups are capable of making quite stupid decisions, based on fears and insecurity.

I do hope that President Obama can rise to the occasion, a la FDR, and speak about the social well-being and that fear is too potent to be a play thing for nascent demagogues.

Ann - I'm terrified of becoming irrelevant - Coulter is fading into obscurity.

14 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:24:05pm

re: #11 freetoken

My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.

Alex Pareene thinks people are getting tired of "vacuous avatars of cultural resentment masquerading as Republican politicians."
Maybe the same is happening with her.
crazy fatigue

15 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:26:54pm

re: #14 jaunte

Alex Pareene thinks people are getting tired of "vacuous avatars of cultural resentment masquerading as Republican politicians."
Maybe the same is happening with her.
crazy fatigue

Coulter's best crazy was never beyond 800 millibachmanns. She needs to step up her game, or she'll get cut.

16 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:28:11pm

re: #14 jaunte

What if they held a Republican Party and nobody came?

17 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:28:44pm

re: #11 freetoken

Perhaps it's a hopeful sign of the increasing irrelevance of Ann Coulter, but I see that here latest rants against Darwin and Evolution are getting less play than they used to.

Just today Human Events ran another one of Coulter's anti-science rants... PZed picked up on one last week that ran, but other than the hard core creationism-battle types it hasn't drawn much attention.

I'm wondering if Coulter is just trying to find a new sort of relevance in the wake of Perry's ignorant remarks - given that Perry gets 1000x the media coverage that Coulter (and other fading talking heads) receive?

My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.

My concern is that a far darker, and more knee-jerk, movement is forming among the populace, sprouting out of the dwindling opportunities for good jobs and the bleak outlook for retirees. Groups are capable of making quite stupid decisions, based on fears and insecurity.

I do hope that President Obama can rise to the occasion, a la FDR, and speak about the social well-being and that fear is too potent to be a play thing for nascent demagogues.

Coulter's Fame Clock currently reads 14:59, and she's nervous.

18 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:30:13pm

re: #13 b_sharp

She has her chorus of supporters at far-right (and belly-gazing) sites like Human Events. Reading comments over there is like finding the lexicon of every rehashed creationist talking point ever put to paper/electrons.

But, I bet the size of that group isn't growing. It still wants to find solace in any thing that won't challenge their collective religious belief.

What I do see emerging among a younger group is a hardness to people, a sort of detachment. I think it began with the end of the baby boomers (like myself) and really has found a home in those born after the 1960's. I'm not able to describe it well, but I'm thinking of how disconnected cause and effect has become in matters of money, retirement, decision making, and life in general.

We could be on the cusp of a new form of political identity in this country, in which money ironically matters the most.

19 3CPO  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:30:21pm

freetoken, I don't know if you saw my message about our trip to San Diego. We were stuck downtown for most of the week, so we didn't see too much. But we did find some excellent food. Stout Pub and Hodad's. I can't recommend them highly enough.

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:34:05pm

re: #13 b_sharp

OT, but:

So, back from the Doctor's office already? What he say?

21 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:34:20pm
22 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:34:28pm

re: #19 3CPO

Hope you enjoyed your visit. I don't get down town very often - years ago I used to do dancing quite a bit or hang out, but these days I find myself doing my evening constitutionally beneficial walks and enjoying sundowns... which I think I'll go do now.

23 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:39:36pm

re: #20 wlewisiii

OT, but:

So, back from the Doctor's office already? What he say?

He's seems to think I'm OK for now, but he gave me an inhaler and a referral to a heart/lung guy. I'm hoping I don't have to wait long to get in.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:41:27pm

re: #23 b_sharp

He's seems to think I'm OK for now, but he gave me an inhaler and a referral to a heart/lung guy. I'm hoping I don't have to wait long to get in.

If you have another event, call 911 (or the canadian equivalent?) immediately, m'k?

25 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:42:57pm

re: #24 wlewisiii

If you have another event, call 911 (or the canadian equivalent?) immediately, m'k?

I've talked it over with the wife and that's exactly what one of us will do.

Thanks for the concern.

27 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:45:37pm

Thanks to everyone for your concern and your support.

You, ladies and gentlemen, are some incredibly terrific people. I hope I can meet at least some of you face to face some day.

28 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:47:17pm

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?

29 3CPO  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:49:05pm

re: #28 Alouette

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?

I vote for the "fuck off" option. Lots of people say things like that about companies without consequence.

You should see what I said about H&R Block...

30 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:49:32pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

And Ron Paul is 'weighing' forcing a roll-call vote. They might as well be sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "la-la-la-la-la I won't hear you!"

31 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:49:40pm

re: #28 Alouette

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?

Fuck off. It'll never stand up in court. It's just a hollow threat to intimidate people.

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:51:58pm

re: #30 jaunte

And Ron Paul is 'weighing' forcing a roll-call vote. They might as well be sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "la-la-la-la-la I won't hear you!"

I really don't think this is going to pan out well for the GOP. Just another factor in their self inflicted implosion. They can't schedule a fucking speech, how can they be expected to negotiate a budget?

33 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:52:02pm

re: #28 Alouette

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?

Best to talk to a lawyer.

34 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:52:39pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Fuck off. It'll never stand up in court. It's just a hollow threat to intimidate people.

Doesn't it depend on what has been posted?
I'd call a lawyer.. You can be sued by corporations..

35 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:55:27pm

re: #28 Alouette

Capital One seems to have a reputation.

Bernie Sanders:

Today's loan sharks are no longer lurking on street corners or hiding in alleys, breaking kneecaps to collect their payments. They now wine and dine with the president and other powerful political leaders, wear Armani suits, make hundreds of millions in total compensation and head banks like Citigroup, MBNA and Capital One. The old-fashioned loan shark was a common criminal who broke the law. The modern loan shark, through campaign contributions and political connections, writes the law.
[Link: www.signonsandiego.com...]

Also see:
West Virginia Attorney General Darrell McGraw has sued Capital One Bank, N.A. and four other companies, charging "unfair and deceptive acts and practices, unlawful debt collection practices, and unconscionable conduct in connection with their credit card lending and collection practices."
[Link: www.consumeraffairs.com...]

36 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:56:43pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

The dysfunctional Republican drama continues...
“Childish!” Dems, GOP Snipe Publicly Over The Timing Of President’s Job Speech

DeMint also vows to block Obama speech

Hell. let 'em all stay away and throw their little tantrum. Obama should still do it in Congress, with plenty of camera shots of a half-empty chamber and an explanation that Republicans just don't seem to think getting this country working again is all that important.

37 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:56:49pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

Doesn't it depend on what has been posted?
I'd call a lawyer.. You can be sued by corporations..

Corporations can go around sueing random citizens who diss them on Facebook? Not even BP has enough money to pay all the lawyers for that.

38 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:01:39pm

re: #27 b_sharp

Thanks to everyone for your concern and your support.

You, ladies and gentlemen, are some incredibly terrific people. I hope I can meet at least some of you face to face some day.

I think there is a Meet Albusteve special next month...call my office for details...tell them I said give you a keychain

39 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:01:56pm

I'm gonna do a Kragar here and pimp my new Page in the comments.

Gun shop owner in New Mexico arrested with wife and sons for selling weapons to Mexican cartels

And with that, I'm out 'til tomorrow.

40 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:03:23pm

re: #28 Alouette

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?

tell them to fuck off, then retweet every four hours....intimidation don't work

41 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:04:27pm

re: #37 Alouette

Corporations can go around sueing random citizens who diss them on Facebook? Not even BP has enough money to pay all the lawyers for that.

Like I said
Doesn't it depend on what has been posted?

I don't know the law.. But somebody got the attention of one of the biggest credit card companies in the world and a 500 dollar/ hr lawyer sent a letter..
I'd call a lawyer to check it out.. I told Lawhawk to set up a 1-800-Law-Hawk call line..Why not get that flat on Park Ave? Look at the money you'll save commuting Lawhawk..

42 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:08:42pm

when you walk into court, and look into the eyes of Capital One's millionaire lawyer row...folder under your arm, wearing your Cap1Sucks tee, smile to the judge, nod respectfully to the jury...you've already won...case closed

43 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:08:44pm

Since thice is a video open.

44 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:12:37pm

re: #42 albusteve

when you walk into court, and look into the eyes of Capital One's millionaire lawyer row...folder under your arm, wearing your Cap1Sucks tee, smile to the judge, nod respectfully to the jury...you've already won...case closed

couple little problems..We don't know their complaint, They have unlimited legal resources and even if you win without a lawyer...A credit card company can f*ck with you the rest of your life....
And there isn't a thing you can do...

45 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:12:43pm

re: #42 albusteve

when you walk into court, and look into the eyes of Capital One's millionaire lawyer row...folder under your arm, wearing your Cap1Sucks tee, smile to the judge, nod respectfully to the jury...you've already won...case closed

Also make sure you have a fresh haircut and shave.

46 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:16:46pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

couple little problems..We don't know their complaint, They have unlimited legal resources and even if you win without a lawyer...A credit card company can f*ck with you the rest of your life...
And there isn't a thing you can do...

there is always the bottom line...stick up for yourself and take the fight to the perps...I've represented myself in court more than once, and I never give up...credit card companies don't intimidate me, and lawyers don't intimidate me by a long shot...the IRS does tho...whoa those guys are bad ass

47 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:23:06pm

the Doors
LA Woman

48 Atlas Fails  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:24:14pm

re: #46 albusteve

there is always the bottom line...stick up for yourself and take the fight to the perps...I've represented myself in court more than once, and I never give up...credit card companies don't intimidate me, and lawyers don't intimidate me by a long shot...the IRS does tho...whoa those guys are bad ass

Ever see "Dinner for Schmucks"? I can't picture IRS agents without smiling a little now.

49 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:28:22pm

re: #48 Atlas Fails

Ever see "Dinner for Schmucks"? I can't picture IRS agents without smiling a little now.

no...but I have been to court twice against those guys...I tell ya, they scare me...they have judicial superpowers, judges don't even like them.....razor sharp and they pack a punch...all said and done it was a draw...they owe me over 8k...but they want me to fight them for it...it's stressful to deal with the IRS if you are in trouble

50 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:28:52pm

re: #46 albusteve

there is always the bottom line...stick up for yourself and take the fight to the perps...I've represented myself in court more than once, and I never give up...credit card companies don't intimidate me, and lawyers don't intimidate me by a long shot...the IRS does tho...whoa those guys are bad ass

My Lawyer is an old school religious man.. Deeply Christian that has Glenn Beck Books in the Lobby.. I think he is awesome..He is a really good lawyer and he is like that preacher in a River runs through it.. He takes off his glasses.. Would you step into my office?

He is like a Father figure that spends half the time talking about life in general...Then kicks butt on your behalf..

51 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:29:17pm

How not to deal with Capitol One:

7. Mr. Borneisen's call to the Capital One customer service call center was transferred to Capital One Risk Specialist Alexandria Wilson ("Ms. Wilson") who was responsible for making and taking calls to and from customers.

8. Ms. Wilson verified Mr. Borneisen's identity prior to speaking with him.

9. During Mr. Borneisen's phone call conversation with Ms. Wilson, Mr. Borneisen admits to calling Ms. Wilson a "dumb bitch".

10. Mr. Borneisen further admits to making the following statement to Ms.Wilson during their April 12, 2008, phone conversation: "[Y]ou think I don't know where Glen Allen, Virginia is? Because I grew up there. My first apartment was right next door."

11. Mr. Borneisen further admits to stating,"What do I have to do, come up there and put my foot in somebody's ass before you stop calling this house eight to ten times a day?"

12. Ms. Wilson's computer notes taken during the April 12, 2008, phone call with Mr. Borneisen reflect that Mr. Borneisen said that he would "[W]alk into Glen Allen and shoot everybody in there and stated that he is not paying on this account."

13. A written statement made by Ms. Wilson on April 12, 2008, states that Mr. Borneisen stated he would not pay his account, that he called Ms. Wilson "every name but my name," and that he would come to Glen Allen and blow the place up.

52 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:31:14pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

The dysfunctional Republican drama continues...
“Childish!” Dems, GOP Snipe Publicly Over The Timing Of President’s Job Speech

DeMint also vows to block Obama speech

The real howler is in DeMint's bit...

The iconic South Carolina conservative said. “If he has a jobs proposal, put it in writing, give us a cost estimate, and send it over. I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter. If he insists on playing politics by picking the night of the GOP debate, I will object to the session.”

Okay, have any of the Republican candidates put forth an actual jobs proposal? Have any of them gotten said proposal scored for a cost estimate? So far, all I've heard from them is talking points, read from memory rather than a teleprompter. Same goes for the GOP leadership, not one of them has put forth a "jobs bill" that has a cost estimate attached.

The only one playing politics are Congressional Republicans looking to find a reason why they're snubbing the President.

53 recusancy  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:32:50pm

re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The real howler is in DeMint's bit...

Okay, have any of the Republican candidates put forth an actual jobs proposal? Have any of them gotten said proposal scored for a cost estimate? So far, all I've heard from them is talking points, read from memory rather than a teleprompter. Same goes for the GOP leadership, not one of them has put forth a "jobs bill" that has a cost estimate attached.

The only one playing politics are Congressional Republicans looking to find a reason why they're snubbing the President.

Obama moved it to the next day. "Crisis" over.

54 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:32:52pm

re: #28 Alouette

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?

Tell them to fuck off.

Diamonds are a scam!
Come get me, De Beers!

55 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:34:37pm

re: #50 HoosierHoops

My Lawyer is an old school religious man.. Deeply Christian that has Glenn Beck Books in the Lobby.. I think he is awesome..He is a really good lawyer and he is like that preacher in a River runs through it.. He takes off his glasses.. Would you step into my office?

He is like a Father figure that spends half the time talking about life in general...Then kicks butt on your behalf..

yeah, strange people, lawyers, judges, scrubs...that is a whole nother underworld...court can be fascinating

56 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:37:17pm

re: #54 Varek Raith

Tell them to fuck off.

Diamonds are a scam!
Come get me, De Beers!

Mom's Wrinkle Trick is a scam!
Mom's Teeth Whitening Trick is a scam!
Mom's Work at Home is a scam!
One Trick of a Tiny Belly is a scam!
The 3 Step Plan is a scam!
Come get me, mother......s

57 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:37:55pm

re: #53 recusancy

Obama moved it to the next day. "Crisis" over.

Oh, that should go over like the proverbial lead balloon.

58 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:39:52pm

nobody likes the Doors....
for you then
Roadhouse Blues

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:39:52pm

Godless scientist caught drinking while collecting socialist paycheck....

60 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:41:19pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Godless scientist caught drinking while collecting socialist paycheck...

[Video]

sort of erotic...
I played it twice

61 Atlas Fails  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:43:54pm

re: #53 recusancy

Obama moved it to the next day. "Crisis" over.

Perhaps the lamest right wing outrage yet. Seriously, why wouldn't Obama want people to watch a GOP debate so rich with gold standard nostalgia, religious fanaticism, contempt for the working class, and other such dumbassery?

Oh, and did it occur to any Republican that maybe, just maybe, Obama scheduled his address for Wednesday because it's the first day Congress is back in session, and he wants to begin solving the jobs crisis ASAP?

62 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:45:53pm

re: #55 albusteve

yeah, strange people, lawyers, judges, scrubs...that is a whole nother underworld...court can be fascinating

Always have a good Lawyer...Whether you a college kid getting caught have sex on the beach at 3am or forgot a ticket for years and the blood thirsty DA wants to toss you in jail...Look I forgot..here is a check..Are you bribing me sir? No..Do I look like I have dough nuts in the front seat?
Step out of the car sir..Always make sure you have a good lawyer on speed dial.. I sued AMEX a few years ago.. And won..It's good to have a lawyer that prays for his clients before he goes to bed at night..For a 150 bucks an hour you can't buy more attention to details..And he is a Glenn Beck fan..So when it's the end of the world I can pay him in Gold and seeds..

63 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:47:01pm

re: #62 HoosierHoops

Always have a good Lawyer...Whether you a college kid getting caught have sex on the beach at 3am or forgot a ticket for years and the blood thirsty DA wants to toss you in jail...Look I forgot..here is a check..Are you bribing me sir? No..Do I look like I have dough nuts in the front seat?
Step out of the car sir..Always make sure you have a good lawyer on speed dial.. I sued AMEX a few years ago.. And won..It's good to have a lawyer that prays for his clients before he goes to bed at night..For a 150 bucks an hour you can't buy more attention to details..And he is a Glenn Beck fan..So when it's the end of the world I can pay him in Gold and seeds..

Awesome.
XD

64 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:49:13pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, that should go over like the proverbial lead balloon.

As Demint was willing to use procedural maneuvers to block the Joint Session on the Senate side, it was either the 8th (the only other day that week congress will be in session), or the 7th but at a less desirable venue. But you're right, LW reaction so far is all predictable whinging about "caving".

Here's the brief WH statement:

Today, the President asked to address the Congress about the need for urgent action on the economic situation facing the American people as soon as Congress returned from recess. Both Houses will be back in session after their August recess on Wednesday, September 7th, so that was the date that was requested. We consulted with the Speaker about that date before the letter was released, but he determined Thursday would work better. The President is focused on the urgent need to create jobs and grow our economy, so he welcomes the opportunity to address a Joint Session of Congress on Thursday, September 8th and challenge our nation's leaders to start focusing 100% of their attention on doing whatever they can to help the American people.

Apparently there were no real votes scheduled, and of course the Speaker has total control over that sort of vote scheduling, so Boehner's objections about important scheduled business was kind of BS, not that it really matters in today's political/media environment.

65 Bear  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:51:00pm

re: #62 HoosierHoops

But what if you do not have either gold or seeds? Will he take a semi-truck of dollars?

//

66 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:52:02pm

Obama just agreed to postpone his congressional speech until September 8th.

67 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:53:40pm

re: #64 simoom

AP's dispassionate, objective title for their story on the Joint Session scheduling (///):

"Obama bows to Boehner; jobs speech will be Sept. 8"

68 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:53:49pm

re: #66 Charles

I'm kinda sorry to see that.

69 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:00pm

Capitulator-in-Chief

70 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:20pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

I'm kinda sorry to see that.

me too

71 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:42pm

re: #69 JasonA

I guess he could have pounded his fist on the table and got real mad.

72 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:57pm

re: #65 Bear

But what if you do not have either gold or seeds? Will he take a semi-truck of dollars?

//

Then I guess I'll have no choice..I'll drive to his house and go all Zombieland on his ass and take his gold and eat a fresh garden salad in the kitchen While they are tied up in the basement...
Hey Nice Garden!
I can't believe you guys didn't see this coming...

73 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:56:53pm

re: #71 Obdicut

I guess he could have pounded his fist on the table and got real mad.

maybe he did...he's getting his ass kicked by the GOP and I don't much like it

74 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:57:11pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops

Then I guess I'll have no choice..I'll drive to his house and go all Zombieland on his ass and take his gold and eat a fresh garden salad in the kitchen While they are tied up in the basement...
Hey Nice Garden!
I can't believe you guys didn't see this coming...

Remember!
Pillage then burn!
/

75 bratwurst  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:57:15pm

So now his speech goes head-to-head with the NFL opener (Saints and Packers!) instead of GOP Survivor.

Fail.

76 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:57:44pm

re: #73 albusteve

maybe he did...he's getting his ass kicked by the GOP and I don't much like it

You seem really concerned, Steve.

77 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:10pm

Meanwhile, this appeared in the last week on Disney Channel.

78 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:27pm

re: #75 bratwurst

So now his speech goes head-to-head with the NFL opener (Saints and Packers!) instead of GOP Survivor.

Fail.

Yeah, hence my "lead balloon" response. Either the speech will preempt, sparking a lot of angry responses, or it'll be shown concurrently and be ignored.

But hey, we get to watch the GOP debate as scheduled, and that's a good thing...right?/

79 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:41pm

re: #75 bratwurst

So now his speech goes head-to-head with the NFL opener (Saints and Packers!) instead of GOP Survivor.

Fail.

no shit?...wow, bad move...even presidents don't fuck with the NFL

80 Atlas Fails  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:48pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

I'm kinda sorry to see that.

Unfortunately, the GOP are acting like petulant children yet again. When major players in the Senate like DeMint threaten to boycott what's supposed to be bipartisan session on job creation, there aren't a whole lot of options.

81 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:59:27pm

re: #76 Obdicut

You seem really concerned, Steve.

yeah, how about you?

82 Linden Arden  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:59:42pm

Ron Paul rejects Evolution today Link

Probably posted prior to this - But this nutcase is now POTUS worthy?

Give me a break - RP is a throwback to 1850.

83 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:00:00pm

re: #73 albusteve

maybe he did...he's getting his ass kicked by the GOP and I don't much like it

More like respect for the Office of the Presidency is getting it's "ass kicked by the GOP," in one unprecedented action after another.

84 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:01:24pm

When did debates this far out become important to the American people?

85 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:01:29pm

re: #79 albusteve

no shit?...wow, bad move...even presidents don't fuck with the NFL

Congress is only in session two days that week. It was either the 7th which Boehner & Demint were vowing to obstruct, or the 8th vs the NFL.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:01:53pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

I'm kinda sorry to see that.

Just another victory for the Modern GOP.

87 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:02:08pm

re: #85 simoom

Congress is only in session two days that week. It was either the 7th which Boehner & Demint were vowing to obstruct, or the 8th vs the NFL.

Fuck jobs. What do we need those for anyway...

88 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:02:17pm

re: #84 JasonA

When did debates this far out become important to the American people?

They didn't. I hope some people actually watch them now, to see what the fuss is all about, and see the GOP blathering like the lunatics they are.

89 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:03:03pm

re: #88 Obdicut

They didn't. I hope some people actually watch them now, to see what the fuss is all about, and see the GOP blathering like the lunatics they are.

But they won't. Unless you're already interested in these things they're really really boring.

90 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:03:16pm

Grand old T-for-tantrum party.

91 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:04:59pm

re: #85 simoom

Congress is only in session two days that week. It was either the 7th which Boehner & Demint were vowing to obstruct, or the 8th vs the NFL.

I'd have called their bluff and demanded a vote on it. Then, if Boehner and DeMint held strong, put out a press release stating that the GOP feels their own "Obama Is Bad"-fest is more important than a jobs bill proposal. Perhaps even twisted the knife by asking when the GOP intends to put forth its own jobs bill.

92 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:05:11pm

re: #83 simoom

More like respect for the Office of the Presidency is getting it's "ass kicked by the GOP," in one unprecedented action after another.

yup, BO is not enough, now they attack the presidency itself...
we alluded to this earlier...America is sinking and I wonder how the donks will react when the tide turns....the GOP is pushing the parameters out to an unhealthy place

93 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:06:37pm

re: #88 Obdicut

They didn't. I hope some people actually watch them now, to see what the fuss is all about, and see the GOP blathering like the lunatics they are.

it's a media thing...the MSM rules

94 Linden Arden  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:06:40pm

re: #82 Linden Arden

Ron Paul rejects Evolution today Link

Probably posted prior to this - But this nutcase is now POTUS worthy?

Give me a break - RP is a throwback to 1850.

Whoops! My link is to a 2007 statement from RP. Accurate but dated!

(Self correct here)

95 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:08:17pm

re: #80 Atlas Fails

Unfortunately, the GOP are acting like petulant children yet again. When major players in the Senate like DeMint threaten to boycott what's supposed to be bipartisan session on job creation, there aren't a whole lot of options.

They blew it..All they had to do is hold the debate right after the Speech at 9pm.. Talk about political fireworks..A classic night...
Who is running the show over there anyway? And Obama..Who is running the show over there? What effen staffer picked that date and time? You didn't rise in Chicago politics making rookie mistakes...Your different staffs have made blunders for a couple of years now.....Hire more Pro's ..

96 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:09:25pm

This dueling events thing seems to be catching on.

FreedomWorks to protest Romney
FreedomWorks, which had been participating in the Tea Party Express’s tour and had helped turn out activists at rallies during prior stops, decided it could no longer be affiliated with the tour, said Brendan Steinhauser, a lead organizer for FreedomWorks.

Instead, it began working with local New Hampshire tea party groups to organize a counter rally set for about the same time in the same park in Concord as Romney’s speech.

97 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:09:52pm

Splitters!

98 Atlas Fails  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:10:16pm

re: #92 albusteve

yup, BO is not enough, now they attack the presidency itself...
we alluded to this earlier...America is sinking and I wonder how the donks will react when the tide turns...the GOP is pushing the parameters out to an unhealthy place

I hope any Democratic Congress would treat a Republican POTUS with more respect than the baggers have given Obama, but all the festering resentment toward the Republican party on the left due to their treatment of Obama doesn't bode well for the future of civil discourse.

99 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:11:47pm

re: #98 Atlas Fails

I hope any Democratic Congress would treat a Republican POTUS with more respect than the baggers have given Obama, but all the festering resentment toward the Republican party on the left due to their treatment of Obama doesn't bode well for the future of civil discourse.

they will grit their teeth and do it...they have to, otherwise, whats the difference?

100 3CPO  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:12:00pm

Aren't these guys supposed to be in Congress doing their jobs? Saying "I can't show up because I have to go to the debate" is like saying "I can't come in to work today because I have to go to an interview for another job."

101 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:13:01pm

re: #100 3CPO

Aren't these guys supposed to be in Congress doing their jobs? Saying "I can't show up because I have to go to the debate" is like saying "I can't come in to work today because I have to go to an interview for another job."

a major peeve of mine....congress is an entirely elitist organization

102 Atlas Fails  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:13:31pm

'Night all.

103 albusteve  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:16:34pm

congress makes it's own rules...the highest of the mighty...when to work, what to do, how much they make....exactly like the Mafia only entirely legal...best job in the world

104 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:18:39pm

re: #103 albusteve

congress makes it's own rules...the highest of the mighty...when to work, what to do, how much they make...exactly like the Mafia only entirely legal...best job in the world

You can have it. I'll take CEO of Exxon.

105 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:19:48pm

re: #103 albusteve

congress makes it's own rules...the highest of the mighty...when to work, what to do, how much they make...exactly like the Mafia only entirely legal...best job in the world

Terms are only for 2 years..Generally..I use that word lightly..We can vote the bums out...

106 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:21:28pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Just another victory for the Modern GOP.

One too easily gained. Note to Obama-Make them work for it.

107 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:21:54pm

re: #104 JasonA

You can have it. I'll take CEO of Exxon.

I hear that Apple has an opening...
/

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:13pm

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Terms are only for 2 years..Generally..I use that word lightly..We can vote the bums out...

Everybody in Congress is an asshole, of course, with the exception of my Congressman; (s)he's swell. Brings me pork; juicy, fat pork.
-America

109 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:30pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

One too easily gained. Note to Obama-Make them work for it.

Yeah, how many times do they have to slap him in the face before he fights back?

110 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:40pm

re: #99 albusteve

they will grit their teeth and do it...they have to, otherwise, whats the difference?

Right. As a party that advocates for an active / effective government, you're only working against yourself when you feed into the public perception of government dysfunction.

111 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:23:23pm

re: #109 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, how many times do they have to slap him in the face before he fights back?

What would he do, though?

112 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:23:37pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

I hear that Apple has an opening...
/

Too soon!

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:24:46pm
114 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:25:06pm

re: #111 Obdicut

What would he do, though?

Show up unexpectedly at the GOP debate, carrying his own podium up on stage, and crash the party? ;-P

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:26:46pm

re: #111 Obdicut

What would he do, though?

As I said up above, press the issue. They say they'll block any vote on the matter, then call their bluff. They say they won't hold a vote, then demand clarification as to why. Don't stop until you have them on record saying they feel that their own party's presidential debate is important enough to publicly snub the president's request to address a joint session.

116 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:14pm

re: #111 Obdicut

What would he do, though?

I fail to see this situation as any type of "smackdown". Polite is polite. Will Obama be able to address the country from his position as President of The United States. Yes! Cuz Obama is The President Of The United States.

117 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:42pm

re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But that's not what they claimed. They said that there's other congressional business.

And I doubt it's a bluff that they'd block the vote. Why do you think it's a bluff?

118 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:49pm

My dream scenario: CBS, NBC and ABC break to a shot of Obama, right now, on the empty house floor.

Obama: "Fuck it! We'll do it live!"

119 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:32:57pm

re: #117 Obdicut

But that's not what they claimed. They said that there's other congressional business.

What other business? Is there debate scheduled on a bill of great importance? Or a vote on such a bill? If neither, what is standing in the way of holding a vote on a joint session?

And I doubt it's a bluff that they'd block the vote. Why do you think it's a bluff?

If it's real, then let it happen. Make DeMint and any that choose to join him in opposition be recognized for their actions, rather than bowing to what may amount to nothing more than empty threats.

120 3CPO  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:08pm

They've been off for a month. Couldn't they have held the debate during the recess? No, they have to schedule it on a work day.

121 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:10pm

re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

As I said up above, press the issue. They say they'll block any vote on the matter, then call their bluff. They say they won't hold a vote, then demand clarification as to why. Don't stop until you have them on record saying they feel that their own party's presidential debate is important enough to publicly snub the president's request to address a joint session.

Maybe its just not that big of a deal. I dont think anyone wants to see a federal case made of this, especially after the debt ceiling fight. What good would it do?
The GOP are being assholes...nothing to see. Move on.

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:33pm

re: #28 Alouette

WTF?

My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.

What's in your wallet?

Lawyers. Lots and lots of lawyers.
-Capital One

123 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:56pm

re: #119 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What other business? Is there debate scheduled on a bill of great importance? Or a vote on such a bill? If neither, what is standing in the way of holding a vote on a joint session?

Maybe a post office naming? ///

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

“As the majority leader announced more than a month ago, the House will not be in session until Wednesday, Sept. 7, with votes at 6:30 that evening,” Mr. Boehner wrote. “With the significant amount of time, typically more than three hours, that is required to allow for a security sweep of the House chamber before receiving a president, it is my recommendation that your address be held on the following evening, when we can ensure there will be no parliamentary or logistical impediments that might detract from your remarks.”

Mr. Boehner did not specify what votes were scheduled for 6:30 that evening that could not be moved. The House calendar shows that members are expected to vote on the “suspension calendar,” generally minor bills like naming a post office.

Congressional historians said Mr. Boehner’s move was unprecedented.

“The Senate Historical Office knows of no instance in which Congress refused the president permission to speak before a joint session of Congress,” Betty K. Koed, associate historian with the Senate, said in an e-mail. “Permission to speak in a joint session is given by resolution of the House and Senate, and arrangements are made through the leadership offices of each chamber.”

124 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:37:59pm

Obama's relationship with the GOP looks more and more to me like a jaded husband and wife.

Yes dear. Whatever you say dear...

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:38:03pm

re: #121 blueraven

Maybe its just not that big of a deal. I dont think anyone wants to see a federal case made of this, especially after the debt ceiling fight. What good would it do?
The GOP are being assholes...nothing to see. Move on.

The GOP are being assholes because they're getting away with it. They keep stamping their foot down, screaming "No! No!" and, like some new-age parent, Obama keeps trying to bargain with them.

126 Gus  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:38:52pm

re: #96 jaunte

This dueling events thing seems to be catching on.

Excellent. So much for Reagan's "11th Commandment" huh?

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:39:36pm

re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was real "new age" with my kids.

Oh. I mean medieval.

128 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:40:41pm

perhaps boehner's political advisors told him that he didn't look petty and partisan enough yet

129 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:40:47pm

re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The GOP are being assholes because they're getting away with it. They keep stamping their foot down, screaming "No! No!" and, like some new-age parent, Obama keeps trying to bargain with them.

Hence, they keep at it, revealing their true agenda and looking more and more petty by the day.

130 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:41:39pm

re: #121 blueraven

Maybe its just not that big of a deal. I dont think anyone wants to see a federal case made of this, especially after the debt ceiling fight.

I imagine that had a lot to do with the quick resolution. The last thing the President needs is another pointless & protracted partisan food fight on the eve of his jobs address. The last one hit consumer confidence and the economy like freight train:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

New data suggest that the bitter debate in Washington over raising the debt ceiling not only drove the United States to the edge of default and cost the nation its triple-A credit rating, but crushed American confidence like few recent events and may well help tip the economy back toward recession.

The Conference Board this week reported the biggest monthly decline in consumer confidence since the height of the financial crisis in 2008, its consumer confidence index falling from a reading of 59.2 to 44.5, the lowest in two years.

...

“The debt ceiling negotiation is an extremely significant event that is profoundly and sharply reshaping views of the economy and the federal government,” Republican pollster Bill McInturff wrote in a presentation of survey work he has done recently that suggests the debt ceiling debate has led to a significant shift in public opinion.

...

McInturff said the result has been “a scary erosion in confidence” in both the economy and the government “at a time when this steep drop in confidence can be least afforded. … ”

131 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:44:03pm

re: #129 blueraven

Hence, they keep at it, revealing their true agenda and looking more and more petty by the day.

And what do most folks see? Headlines that read "Obama bows to Boehner." Then they yawn and flip to the sports page.

132 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:44:29pm

re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't get what difference making them take a vote on this would actually have. It's clearly them that's responsible for this; they denied the president the address of congress. I don't think anyone would be confused about it.

Of all the battles to fight, why on earth this one?

I think, in retrospect, the GOP was actually ready to let the government default. I think we dodged a bullet.

As much as you or I might want a firebrand-wielding Obama to scream obscenities at the GOP, I've gotta wonder what good it would actually do.

To me, the GOP is a lot more like a bully who wants to get the prize pupil to actually fight, so that he can get him in trouble too.

133 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:45:24pm

thinkprogress:

Now that Obama's speech is moved, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Herman Cain can address the nation's pressing issues as scheduled.

134 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:46:56pm

re: #132 Obdicut

I don't get what difference making them take a vote on this would actually have. It's clearly them that's responsible for this; they denied the president the address of congress. I don't think anyone would be confused about it.

Of all the battles to fight, why on earth this one?

I think, in retrospect, the GOP was actually ready to let the government default. I think we dodged a bullet.

As much as you or I might want a firebrand-wielding Obama to scream obscenities at the GOP, I've gotta wonder what good it would actually do.

To me, the GOP is a lot more like a bully who wants to get the prize pupil to actually fight, so that he can get him in trouble too.

Yeah, I met a lot of bullies like that, going to school. You know what happens when you keep ignoring the bully? They ratchet things up, until you finally snap at the most importune time, making things all the worse.

135 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:46:59pm

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And what do most folks see? Headlines that read "Obama bows to Boehner." Then they yawn and flip to the sports page.

Sounds like a media problem to me. Look, you have to pick your battles and this is not a big one. It would serve no purpose to drag this out.

136 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:47:30pm

re: #135 blueraven

Sounds like a media problem to me. Look, you have to pick your battles and this is not a big one. It would serve no purpose to drag this out.

First you have to pick a battle. So far, I've not seen Obama do that. Have you?

137 blueraven  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:49:23pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

First you have to pick a battle. So far, I've not seen Obama do that. Have you?

He wins the important ones...like the election, the health care reform, DADT, Osama...

138 Gus  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:50:57pm

Welp. Some mouse just got himself in the jaws of el gato. Ran off with it. Gave chase but I said screw it. Let's see. That makes for two lizards (small), one baby bird, and two mice. Last mouse was kind of big -- she dropped it off in the front of the house just now. Those are the ones I know about.

139 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:51:00pm

re: #111 Obdicut

What would he do, though?

Simply sticking to his schedule would have been fine. In any case he needs to have the instinct (or a sharp senior aide should) to pick a place or two to hold the line. We have seen this time and time again in the usual back and forth in DC.

140 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:53:30pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Predator Vs Prey. AKA Pray for the prey!

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:54:13pm

Sometimes the President's like Eddie Izzards version of the Church of England.

YOU, cake or death?
Um... death please. No, not death, cake cake cake!!!
Ah ha! You said death first!
No, I meant cake!!!!!!!!
Oh all right. You're lucky i'm church of England!

142 simoom  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:54:58pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

First you have to pick a battle. So far, I've not seen Obama do that. Have you?

DADT, Libya UN Resolution & Intervention, stopping defending DOMA in court, establishing the CPFB, extended federal employee benefits to same-sex couples, etc? Hell, the HCR battle was extremely protracted and bloody, passing by the slimmest of margins.

143 Gus  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:55:02pm

re: #140 Rightwingconspirator

Predator Vs Prey. AKA Pray for the prey!

Maybe I should call her "The Exterminator." Those mice get in the house.

144 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:55:20pm

re: #134 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I met a lot of bullies like that, going to school. You know what happens when you keep ignoring the bully? They ratchet things up, until you finally snap at the most importune time, making things all the worse.

Maybe so. Maybe Obama is just gonna go all "No, FUCK YOU" one day.

The GOP is broken. They are broken, and they are breaking the government. They are turning everything into a no-holds-barred fight. And they were voted into office. The only way to deal with them is to vote them out of office. Obama can't do that. We have to do that. He can show them as petty, stupid, and vain, and he has, actually done so on a number of occasions. He thrashed their asses in that impromptu question-and-answer session. Didn't seem to matter.

145 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:56:02pm

No matter what day the speech is, Obama remains a 9 to 3 favorite to repeat.

Allan Lichtman, the American University professor whose election formula has correctly called every president since Ronald Reagan’s 1984 re-election, has a belated birthday present for Barack Obama: Rest easy, your re-election is in the bag.
...
Lichtman developed his 13 Keys in 1981. They test the performance of the party that holds the presidency. If six or more of the 13 keys go against the party in power, then the opposing party wins.“The keys have figured into popular politics a bit,” Lichtman says. “They’ve never missed. They’ve been right seven elections in a row.
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

146 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:56:54pm

re: #139 Rightwingconspirator

I'm glad gays can serve in the military now. I think Obama has picked quite a few battles well. It's hard to spot, of course, since the GOP makes what sandwiches to order into a battle.

The fault is not with Obama.

147 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:01:39pm

re: #144 Obdicut

Obama can help show why we need to vote them out. Or a strong delegate. In a way he needs Rahm.

148 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:02:31pm

Alaska woman punches bear, saves dachshund.
[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

149 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:04:02pm

re: #142 simoom

DADT, Libya UN Resolution & Intervention, stopping defending DOMA in court, establishing the CPFB, extended federal employee benefits to same-sex couples, etc? Hell, the HCR battle was extremely protracted and bloody, passing by the slimmest of margins.

Of those those examples, I can really only see DADT, CFPB, and the HCR/ACA as being battles he'd fought with the GOP. And the first passed on the votes of lame duck Democrats, the second remains without a director because the GOP refuses to hold a vote, and the last was so watered-down by efforts to appease GOP opposition that it may have done more damage that good.

150 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:04:39pm

re: #147 Rightwingconspirator

I don't see how he's failing to do this, though. He's talked a lot. He's said some strong shit. He called Ryan's plan a fantasy, which it was. Little attention seems to be paid.

I have no idea where this idea that if Obama would just talk tough the GOP would somehow be less offensive came from, but I think it's ass-backwards. The GOP wants Obama to be scrapping and sniping like they do, trading insults. They want to take away the dignity and forbearance that he's got. I see no reason why he should let them.

How was his smackdown of the Ryan plan not what you're asking for?

151 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:05:38pm

re: #64 simoom

Whether Obama "caved" or not will be overshadowed by how the GOP markets this as the fact that they forced the President to play on their terms.

152 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:06:32pm

re: #58 albusteve

nobody likes the Doors...
for you then
Roadhouse Blues

[Video]

U callin me a nobody?

153 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:07:10pm

re: #151 freetoken

And if he didn't and they blocked the vote, they'd crow about that.

And if he didn't, and they held the vote and voted against it, they'd crow about that.

Whatever end result, the GOP crows about it as a victory.

154 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:08:11pm

re: #144 Obdicut

Maybe so. Maybe Obama is just gonna go all "No, FUCK YOU" one day.

The GOP is broken. They are broken, and they are breaking the government. They are turning everything into a no-holds-barred fight. And they were voted into office. The only way to deal with them is to vote them out of office. Obama can't do that. We have to do that. He can show them as petty, stupid, and vain, and he has, actually done so on a number of occasions. He thrashed their asses in that impromptu question-and-answer session. Didn't seem to matter.

Who's this "we" you expect to vote them out? All I see is me and thee, and neither of us (AFAIK) voted the bastards into office in the first place. Yeah, the GOP's approval ratings have tanked, but so have the Democrats. Average Joe Sixpack is coming to the conclusion that both parties are a bunch of assholes and deciding that the only solution is to "vote the bums out." That doesn't fix the problem, is just exacerbates it.

155 Gus  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:08:20pm
156 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:09:32pm

re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So your solution is to force the GOP to use some senate procedure to block a vote on having him give an address? That's what'll really grab joe six-pack's attention?

157 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:09:49pm

re: #155 Gus 802

PERRY'S NOT A TRUE TEAHADI!!!

158 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:10:13pm

re: #148 jaunte

Alaska woman punches bear, saves dachshund.
[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

Thank dog. It would have been horrible had she had to punch the dog to save the bear.

159 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:10:28pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Whatever end result, the GOP crows about it as a victory.

I fear too many American voters, thoroughly conditioned by trash TV and punditry, have no respect for "dignity and forbearance", seeing it instead as being wimpy and weak. The system is geared to reward loud, obnoxious, aggressive bullies.*

*If you can think of exceptions, please do list them - I could use the pick-me-up :/

160 dell*nix  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:10:41pm

Vidio on Bachmann's memior from local Houston Station.

[Link: www.39online.com...]

Just a bit of snark.

161 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:11:47pm

re: #156 Obdicut

So your solution is to force the GOP to use some senate procedure to block a vote on having him give an address? That's what'll really grab joe six-pack's attention?

My solution is to make the effort. Instead, now we've got headlines that read "Obama bows to Boehner," with said Speaker being quoted as being "glad" that the White House was willing to work with them. And, then to compound it, we'll see the angry responses on Sept 9th to Obama's speech preempting the start of the NFL season. Or a page A14 blurb that the speech happened, because nobody tuned into the channels it was actually on.

162 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:12:08pm

This minutia of politics is relevant to lizards. However, it is not relevant to approximately 40% of the voting electorate.

163 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:13:15pm

re: #150 Obdicut

Okay you just asked me why one of the rare occasions when did he what I suggest was inadequate. So I have no direct answer to that exactly.

My point is that does not happen often enough. Not that it should be every day. But the schedule against the debate was fine. Sorry to see that change, as I said above.

164 Gus  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:13:44pm

re: #157 freetoken

PERRY'S NOT A TRUE TEAHADI!!!

Rick Perry: stealth liberal and stealth Jihadist! He's everything rolled into one.

165 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:14:54pm

re: #161 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm unsure what Obama can do about biased media headlines. If he made a big deal about it, the headline could be "Obama tries to bully congress". That's not within his power to control.

166 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:16:26pm

Goodnight lizards. I'm going to go fondle my guitar for a while, then my wife.

167 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:17:31pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Goodnight lizards. I'm going to go fondle my guitar for a while, then my wife.

Then your wife what?

/

I'm going to bed too. I feel like crap and have no clue why. I think middle-age is reaching out to me.

168 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:18:42pm

re: #165 Obdicut

I'm unsure what Obama can do about biased media headlines. If he made a big deal about it, the headline could be "Obama tries to bully congress". That's not within his power to control.

What's within his power to control are his own actions. Making the effort and getting lumps from the media is better than doing nothing and getting called on it by the same media.

In either case, this is a discussion for another day. Sleep well.

169 teleskiguy  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:19:10pm

Considering how truly bizarre this video is, I have to admit it is oddly moving.

:-)

170 Gus  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:21:16pm

Going to watch Armadillo. BBL

171 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:21:57pm

Former GOP Senator Chuck Hagel: Republican Party Has ‘An Astounding Lack Of Responsible Leadership’

Former GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE) can’t muster any praise for his Republican colleagues’ behavior in Congress over the past few months. In an interview with the Financial Times, Hagel blasted GOP leadership for their “irresponsible actions” during the debt ceiling debacle, noting that “I think about some of the presidents we’ve had on my side of the aisle — Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., go right through them, Eisenhower — they would be stunned.”

2:05 video at link

172 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:24:01pm

Well that was a good game.. Bears vs. Titans
15 minutes till Leno and there is nothing on.. So I'm watching Tin Cup.. A sports movie I have only seen a million times...I know every line..:)

173 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:25:14pm

re: #171 jaunte

Operative word FORMER.

174 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:45:16pm

Look at how the AP/Yahoo editor wrote this lead:

Obama yields to Boehner's Sept. 8 speech timing

So Obama yields to Boehner.

Boehner iz da man!

175 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:51:05pm

re: #174 freetoken

Look at how the AP/Yahoo editor wrote this lead:

Obama yields to Boehner's Sept. 8 speech timing

So Obama yields to Boehner.

Boehner iz da man!

Baraksama g0t beat DOwn, iz puSSe! PUt hIm in hiiz plaase.

It's impossible to consider Obama was being reasonable and gracious giving Boehner the time and truly negotiating.

176 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:55:38pm

re: #175 BigPapa

For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.

And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:01:52pm

The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".

I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.

All snark aside? I think he's being polite.

There's nothing wrong with polite.

178 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:01:56pm

re: #176 freetoken

For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.

And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?

True. As I said above, too many Americans have far more respect and admiration for a bully who's wrong than a "nice person" who's right.

179 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:03:36pm

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".

I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.

All snark aside? I think he's being polite.

There's nothing wrong with polite.

I'll bet that he still gets more viewers than the debate.

180 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:08:15pm

re: #155 Gus 802

Anti-Perry ad from Bachmann PAC

[Video]

bwahahaha... let 'em chew each other up

and the best part? the ad is by an organization called "keep conservatives united"!

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:10:20pm

re: #179 JasonA

He's got stiffer competition than the GOP on Thursday night.

Packers/Saints.

182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:13:10pm

re: #176 freetoken

For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.

And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".

I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.

All snark aside? I think he's being polite.

There's nothing wrong with polite.

Well I'm the sort of person who is unimpressed by alpha males. They tend to really despise me, too, so whatevz.

Personal stuff aside, I agree more with FBV. It takes a real man to be polite, risk "looking weak", and not give a damn what people think about it. Those kind of men just aren't cowed by what others think of them, which in itself is an alpha male trait to admire.

The other kind just comes across like someone with something to prove, though in real life, there are more options than alpha/beta etc.

183 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:14:32pm

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".

I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.

All snark aside? I think he's being polite.

There's nothing wrong with polite.

Agreed. For him to speak during the debate would be to deliberately slap the Republican candidates in the face while not gaining an advantage from so slapping. He did the classy thing and rescheduled.

184 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:15:20pm

Well, I turned in the X5 today and came home with a station wagon. It'll take some getting used to, driving a smaller car again, but it did drive well and the navigation system was only off by two minutes on its estimate for getting me home...I think my wife will like having a built-in navigation system that's voice activated. We'll have to see how it handles in the snow...and if she likes being in a smaller car in the snow too...if not, I'll dump the Z and get a used Tahoe so she can feel big again on the road.

185 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:16:46pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's got stiffer competition than the GOP on Thursday night.

Packers/Saints.

True that. That's a fairly big game, for the preseason. I'd have to favor Green Bay, though I'd love it if Drew Brees smacks the Cheeseheads for a loss.

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:16:53pm

re: #184 darthstar

What kind didja get?

187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:22:40pm

Not sure if this has been posted downstairs yet, but...

Palin back on for Iowa Tea Party event

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) will speak after all at an Iowa Tea Party event this Saturday, after two days of turmoil in which she put her plans for the event “on hold” because of an invitation that was twice extended, and twice rescinded, to former Delaware Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell (R).

Tea Party of America founder Ken Crow confirmed to The Hill that Palin will indeed speak at the event. He said Palin’s hesitation had come because of The Wall Street Journal’s reporting on the back-and-forth between Palin and his group.

Showbiz...no biz like it; it must go on.

188 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:26:20pm

re: #184 darthstar

You are gonna miss the BMW bud.

189 jaunte  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:26:58pm

re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

One more thrash before slipping down the polls into Ron Paul/Herman Cain 1% territory.

190 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:32:36pm

re: #186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What kind didja get?

I got the 328i xDrive wagon. We wanted all wheel drive, and we wanted out of our old lease, so it was either pay 6K to turn it in (we went way over on miles) and then have to pay 4-5k down on a new car, or trade it in and save about 6k...and the payments are 300 a month less than we had before, which is nice.

191 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:32:59pm

re: #188 Stanley Sea

You are gonna miss the BMW bud.

I didn't get out of BMW...I just went down a size.

192 darthstar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:34:23pm

re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not sure if this has been posted downstairs yet, but...

Palin back on for Iowa Tea Party event

Showbiz...no biz like it; it must go on.

She's not going to give up on getting the attention.

193 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:35:16pm

re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not sure if this has been posted downstairs yet, but...

Palin back on for Iowa Tea Party event

Showbiz...no biz like it; it must go on.

There's no people, like show people,
They smile when they are low!

How I wish the folks at could only see,
What's come to Sarah, how proud they be!
Gettin' paid for DERPing, which comes naturally,
Let's go, on with the show!
Let's go, ON WITH THE SHOW!

I was the spotlight guy for my high school's production of Annie, Get Your Gun.

194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:35:29pm

re: #189 jaunte

One more thrash before slipping down the polls into Ron Paul/Herman Cain 1% territory.

Alas, all I have left for her is worn out clichés: the taller they are...

195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:38:08pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

I was the spotlight guy for my high school's production of Annie, Get Your Gun.

rotfl:

How I wish the folks at could only see,
What's come to Sarah, how proud they be!
Gettin' paid for DERPing, which comes naturally,
Let's go, on with the show!
Let's go, ON WITH THE SHOW!

Hey any man who knows his showtunes is alright by me. Now see, Cagney...that is my kind of alpha male! Do you like classic movies?

196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:39:04pm

re: #190 darthstar

I got the 328i xDrive wagon.

Hey, that sounds nice. Congrats.

197 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:39:36pm

re: #195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

rotfl:

How I wish the folks at could only see,
What's come to Sarah, how proud they be!
Gettin' paid for DERPing, which comes naturally,
Let's go, on with the show!
Let's go, ON WITH THE SHOW!

Hey any man who knows his showtunes is alright by me. Now see, Cagney...that is my kind of alpha male! Do you like classic movies?

Sadly, I'm not familiar with Cagne's work. I know who he was, but I haven't seen his movies.

198 laZardo  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:41:28pm

Welp. Applied for WA State welfare. Nothing I'm ashamed about, my only real fear being an oncoming Republican administration. D:

199 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:43:08pm

re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:47:26pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I'm not familiar with Cagne's work. I know who he was, but I haven't seen his movies.

I just love him. Incredible actor....biggest, toughest gangster around in the 30s, but he was really a song-and-dance man. He could tap his little bottom off... He got the Best Acting Oscar for it in 1943 for Yankee Doodle Dandy (the George M. Cohen biopic.) Check him out if you get a chance.

Oh btw, meant to tell you weeks ago, the rental store does not have Burn Notice ! I was surprised, since the one I go to has a really extensive TV section. Ah well, I'll find a way to see it.

201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:49:42pm

re: #199 freetoken

[Video]

Lol this was awesome

202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:54:10pm

re: #199 freetoken

[Video]

And the motherlode...

Lol so awesome. Look at perfect Mitzi Gaynor, and Marilyn...love her .

203 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:58:27pm

re: #200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I just love him. Incredible actor...biggest, toughest gangster around in the 30s, but he was really a song-and-dance man. He could tap his little bottom off... He got the Best Acting Oscar for it in 1943 for Yankee Doodle Dandy (the George M. Cohen biopic.) Check him out if you get a chance.

Oh btw, meant to tell you weeks ago, the rental store does not have Burn Notice ! I was surprised, since the one I go to has a really extensive TV section. Ah well, I'll find a way to see it.

You'll like it. I wish I could send you the episodes I've recorded, because it's that good.

204 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:28:35pm

More baby kittehs!

This one is sooooo cute.

How is everyone?

205 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:33:47pm

Night Lizards.

May the Diety of your choice smile down upon you.

206 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:52:17pm

Where is everybody?

I feel all alone here.

:(

207 freetoken  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:54:00pm

re: #206 ggt

208 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:57:36pm

re: #206 ggt

Where is everybody?

I feel all alone here.

:(

I was busy.

209 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:20pm

re: #207 freetoken

[Video]

I was thinking more like this

210 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:30pm

re: #208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was busy.

Doing what?

211 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:00:31pm

re: #210 ggt

Doing what?

Things...

212 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:01:53pm

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Things...

uh-huh

213 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:11:11pm

re: #204 ggt

More baby kittehs!

This one is sooo cute.

How is everyone?

Good.
Rerererererere~reading Jurassic Park.

214 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:13:29pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Good.
Rerererererere~reading Jurassic Park.

So, you like Jurassic Park--the Book?

I'm still trying to get thru Robert Grave's Claudius the God.

I haven't much time the past few weeks.

215 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:16:00pm

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".

I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.

All snark aside? I think he's being polite.

There's nothing wrong with polite.

Frankly, I don't think he should. POTUS beats GOP wannabes.

216 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:21:24pm
217 Kragar  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:21:27pm

re: #214 ggt

So, you like Jurassic Park--the Book?

I'm still trying to get thru Robert Grave's Claudius the God.

I haven't much time the past few weeks.

Going to try rereading David Brin's Uplift series.

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:46:16am

I remember a quote from Michael Chrichton when he was working on "Jurassic Park":

Someone asked him what he was writing, to which he replied, "The moyt expensive movie ever made!"

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:27:16am

"most expensive"

two minutes is not enough time to make coffee and re-read your precaffienated post...

220 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:39:20am

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Going to try rereading David Brin's Uplift series.

Re-reading the Hobbes translation of Thucydides. yeah, I live rather largely.

And how the hell is everyone?

221 simoom  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:40:03am

From the WH flickr feed:
Image: 6047293325_0c6a1f80ed_b.jpg

President Barack Obama talks with Andrew Kline, outgoing Chief of Staff, Office of Intellectual Property Enforcement, in the Oval Office, July 12, 2011. Kline’s daughter, Logan, sits atop the Resolute Desk. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

Reminded me of a much older Resolute Desk photo:
Image: article-1210746-0644c5db000005dc-244_634x730.jpg

222 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:42:20am

ya know, try though I may, i haven't been able to consume enough of the good stuff to assuage or palliate the agony caused by Oxford University's capitulation to the forces of darkness and its surrender of the Oxford Comma.

I am depressed, outraged, and heart-sick.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:47:21am

Lucky thirteen

224 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:53:14am

So, I've been touring the bottom shelves of the local liquor stores. There are some very surprising offerings there. Going through the bourbons just now, and recommend, without hesitation or reservation, Old Crow for those who indulge. It's perfect in a mixed drink - the way most folk have their corn-squeezin's - and is, believe it or not, almost palatable on its own, provided it's served on the rocks and has the chance to breathe a bit before you pour it.

225 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:56:23am

Spend a buck more, and get JTS Brown bourbon - perfectly sippable, straight up or on the rocks.

Old Grandad - a wonderful treat. About 10 bucks a liter - simply delightful.

As time passes, one comes to appreciate that price is seldom an indicator of quality or value (except, of course, with wine).

True of booze, and probably true of much else in this world.

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:12:57am

Morning honcos.

227 freetoken  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:15:42am

Getz, 1961:

228 researchok  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:43:16am

Morning, all

229 researchok  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:49:46am

re: #227 freetoken

Getz, 1961:

[Video]

Classic.

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:49:58am

we're down to a dozen...

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:01:30am

This is why I hate doing yard work.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

232 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:19:21am

Morning Folks!

You guys missed all the fun about 3 hours ago. I woke up to a blood-curdling scream from my wife. I almost fell on the floor trying to get out of bed. I hear my wife yelling "drop it!". I'm half asleep wondering if I should grab the gun. Then I realize she's yelling at the dog. My wife had let her out and she tried to come back inside with a 'possum she had caught. It looked like a 5lb rat which completely freaked out my wife. I think I'm going to need a nap later.

233 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:24:55am

re: #232 RogueOne

Morning Folks!

You guys missed all the fun about 3 hours ago. I woke up to a blood-curdling scream from my wife. I almost fell on the floor trying to get out of bed. I hear my wife yelling "drop it!". I'm half asleep wondering if I should grab the gun. Then I realize she's yelling at the dog. My wife had let her out and she tried to come back inside with a 'possum she had caught. It looked like a 5lb rat which completely freaked out my wife. I think I'm going to need a nap later.

Next time grab the gun, shoot randomly until the clip is empty, then ask, "What"?
///

234 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:55:51am

Score 1 for transparency in government:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

A bid by California newspapers to see legislators' budget records received a big boost from a new federal ruling that gives broad scope to records subject to the Freedom of Information Act, a federal law that bears many similarities to California's law on open government.

In a petition filed earlier this month at the Sacramento County Superior Courthouse, the Los Angeles Times, La Canada Valley Sun and the Sacramento Bee newspapers requested documentation of California legislators' budget allowances, spending and expenditures under the state's Legislative Open Records Act.

The Legislature has rebuffed the demand, claiming that the requested documents are protected -- a similar argument lobbed, unsuccessfully, by the Secret Service while opposing a government watchdog's attempt to look at White House visitor logs.

U.S. District Judge Beryl A. Howell, who was nominated to the bench by President Barack Obama in 2010, rejected these arguments on Aug. 17 and ordered the Secret Service to turn its records over to Judicial Watch.

Holwell disagreed that the logs were protected presidential records and said she was "skeptical" that the releasing the documents would undermine the separation of powers. If certain documents pose a threat to confidential presidential communications, the Secret Service has recourse through exemptions written into the FOIA, the judge explained.

In California, the newspapers' joint filing follows a series of stories about Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge, who became embroiled in an ongoing feud with Assembly Speaker John A. Pérez, D-Los Angeles, earlier this summer.

Specifically, the two are at loggerheads over Pérez's characterization of Portantino as a free spender and his subsequent decision to slash Portantino's budget.

Portantino flatly denied Pérez's assertions and has said the dramatic reduction in his budget has impaired his ability to serve constituents. He countered with a demand for the current spending records of all 80 members of the lower house, but Assembly administrators refused.

As the dispute grew, three different reporters filed requests for the relevant records: copies of each assembly member's annual allowance; a budget summary for budget years 2010 and 2011; each member's total budget allowance for budget year 2010; each member's expenses for budget year 2010; each member's total budget allowance for budget year 2011; and each member's estimated expenditures for budget year 2011.

But Lynda Roper, deputy administrative officer for the Legislature, allegedly told each reporter that the information was exempt from public disclosure under a provision of the California state code that protects "preliminary drafts, notes, or legislative memoranda" and another that applies to correspondence between individual members of the Legislature and their staff.

In two of the cases, she also demurred on the grounds that at least some of the records - those reflecting the most recent budgets and expenditures - "were not available," the newspapers added.

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:01:21am

Alligator jumps out of canal, attacks 90-year-old woman

FWC says a trapper was sent to the area to find the alligator. If found, the reptile will be cut open in an attempt to retrieve and reattach the leg.

[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

236 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:01:42am

re: #232 RogueOne

Morning Folks!

You guys missed all the fun about 3 hours ago. I woke up to a blood-curdling scream from my wife. I almost fell on the floor trying to get out of bed. I hear my wife yelling "drop it!". I'm half asleep wondering if I should grab the gun. Then I realize she's yelling at the dog. My wife had let her out and she tried to come back inside with a 'possum she had caught. It looked like a 5lb rat which completely freaked out my wife. I think I'm going to need a nap later.

GOOGLE Possum recipes

A 5 pounder? You guys should be good for a week

BBQ Possum, possum gumbo, possum stew, possum tenders, possum,,,,,,

237 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:02:43am

re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is why I hate doing yard work.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Maybe he decided to trip his eyebrows while doing the bushes!

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:05:16am

re: #232 RogueOne

Be glad I wasn't at your house.

I'd be screaming like David Spade being hit with a stun gun.

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:07:35am

You won $35 million from the Florida Lottery!! Now what? D'oh!
[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

240 Flounder  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:10:12am

re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thats got the squeamish kick to the balls reaction, oowwiee!

241 Flounder  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:11:17am

re: #236 sattv4u2

Don't bother, possum/ woodchucks taste like dirt...

242 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:17:41am

Good morning, Lizardia!

My new PC came with a piece of malware called "Trend Micro Security." What a horrible piece of shit this is, pretending to be a "virus scanning" program.

I am replacing it with McAfee as soon as I can, but I don't expect removal to TMS to be easy.

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:20:22am

re: #242 Alouette

I did a trial version of Eset NOD32. As soon as I get a job, I'm buying it.

244 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:25:47am

re: #176 freetoken

For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.

And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?

Hm. True, but not in the way most people understand the construct of an "alpha male." Consider the following an extended metaphor for why I'm unimpressed with the current round of political territorial pissing:

Alphas aren't really leaders in any human sense: they're just individuals that have set themselves up in the hierarchical system to monopolize benefits: eating first, mating first. Maintenance of that position requires a campaign of intimidation and aggression against their in-group--attacking other males, forcing sex on females, and killing kids that aren't theirs. As ethologists have been able to continuously monitor primate groups, though, it's become clear that there is a cost-benefit ratio, and sometimes it's not worth the internal strife to have a particular alpha in place. An alpha that's all aggression and no social compromise can and will shatter a community.

245 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:32:09am

re: #241 Shropshire_Slasher

Don't bother, possum/ woodchucks taste like dirt...

The dog seemed to like it but she'll eat anything. So far this year she's caught a bird, cat, one of those big bumblebees, rabbits, and the 'possum...not bad for an inside dog. The only thing left running around the neighborhood are raccoons but I haven't seen any in the last couple of years.

246 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:35:46am
247 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:39:09am

Ouch:

Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Economy Is Getting Worse, More Voters Say
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]

President Barack Obama's overall job approval rating has sunk to an all-time low, as American voters disapprove 52 - 42 percent, compared to 47 - 46 percent approval in July, and among whites and men his approval has dropped into the 30s, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Congressional leaders rate even lower in the public eye.
.....
Voters trust Obama more than congressional Republicans to handle the economy 44 - 41 percent, but they say 46 - 42 percent that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney would do a better job than Obama. They are split 43 - 41 percent on whether Obama or GOP candidate Rick Perry would be better on the economy.
...
From August 16 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,730 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 1.9 percentage points

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:03:02am

Youth football game.
[Link: link.brightcove.com...]

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:04:40am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

Youth football game.
[Link: link.brightcove.com...]

Story.
[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]

250 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:04:49am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's one hell of a tackle at :38 sec

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:09:32am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuckin' parents.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:10:34am

re: #250 RogueOne

That's one hell of a tackle at :38 sec

Do you remember the guy for Iowa (I think) who punched the other teams guy and was suspended for the year a few years back? He plays for the Bucs now.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:12:22am

re: #250 RogueOne

That's one hell of a tackle at :38 sec

It was a very fit young man attacking an out of shape older referee.

Nothing good about that. I hope the fucker's thrown in jail.

And guess what? I don't give a fuck about context either. Attacked a helpless man. Jail.

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:13:01am

Oh, and that entire program needs to be shut down.

Fuck 'em.

255 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:13:07am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you remember the guy for Iowa (I think) who punched the other teams guy and was suspended for the year a few years back? He plays for the Bucs now.

Accidents happen.// I can understand players getting riled up in the heat of a game but to have coaches throwing water bottles and starting fights with the refs? That's crossing the line of good taste and sportsmanship.

256 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:14:18am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, and that entire program needs to be shut down.

Fuck 'em.

FBV is bringing the ban hammer! I agree btw. The only way to teach them is to shut it down.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:14:58am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you remember the guy for Iowa (I think) who punched the other teams guy and was suspended for the year a few years back? He plays for the Bucs now.

I think Legarrette Blount played for Oregon. But here he is as a Buc.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:35:16am

Walk time.

259 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:37:58am

Morning Lizardim. So the ladyfolk of the fish family are going absolutely bananas today, because they are officially allowed to redecorate for fall. I actually happen to be somewhat in agreement; fall is my favorite season of all. Cool weather, turning trees, apple cider, State Fair... Yes, it's a good time of year.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:50:25am
261 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:08:58am

Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.

Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.

262 iossarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:14:39am

re: #261 Alouette

Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.

Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.

Rule 1 of corporate IT: never upgrade anything.

263 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:16:25am

re: #247 RogueOne

American voters disapprove 52 - 42 percent, compared to 47 - 46 percent approval in July

Why do they compare disapproval now with earlier approval?

Is this how reporters show they can add and subtract?

264 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:16:55am

re: #259 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. So the ladyfolk of the fish family are going absolutely bananas today, because they are officially allowed to redecorate for fall. I actually happen to be somewhat in agreement; fall is my favorite season of all. Cool weather, turning trees, apple cider, State Fair... Yes, it's a good time of year.

Just bought the new Fall plastic tablecloth yesterday. Also, Martha Stewart's Halloween special issue is available. There was a very cool electric portrait that switched from a photo of a Victorian woman to a skeleton, complete with a spooky "help, help me" voice. I think it would have scared my 8 year old too much, but my Goth daughter would love it.

265 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:20:24am

re: #262 iossarian

Rule 1 of corporate IT: never upgrade anything.

My supervisor says to give the PC Renewal team VERY UNSATISFACTORY SCORES on the post-PC Renewal Satisfaction Survey.

Yeah, that'll show 'em.

266 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:22:12am

re: #265 Alouette

I had the opposite problem. I had a full Adobe suite, but I didn't actually need any of it. I told IT to uninstall it, partially because I hate the adobe updater and partially just to free up the license-- that's a huge amount of money.

In four years, they never got around to it.

267 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:24:20am

So I'm looking through Twitter this morning and see this Tweet from Eric Boehlert:

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
CNN poll the latest to suggest that Gallup's daily Obama tracking poll is the new outlier; [Link: bit.ly...]

"Outlier," I thought to myself. Those are somewhat serious charges -- almost implying some kind of hidden conspiracy on the part of Gallup. Gallup has Obama at 39% approval while CNN/ORC has Obama at 45% approval.

Here's the catch of sorts. Both polls have a margin of error is ±3 percentage points. If you add 3 percent to Gallup's 39 percent that equals 42 percent; and if you subtract 3 percent from CNN/ORC's 45 percent that also gives you 42 percent. The margin of error puts each poll on the same exact figure of 42 percent.

Gallup is not an outlier.

268 iossarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:24:52am

Lizard genome sequenced!

[Link: science.slashdot.org...]

My feeble brain can't come up with a witty LGF reference.

269 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:25:39am

re: #261 Alouette

Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.

Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.

Our "IT guy" had a habit of removing programs from my computer because he "didn't think they were necessary to the job", even though these were programs I used on a daily basis to do my job and complete my tasks. Also on occassion, after he "upgraded" my computer, it wouldn't work and would have to be completely wiped and reinstalled. I told the owner of the company that he had to supply me with a laptop, and that only I was allowed to maintain and upgrade it. Since I have to do offsite work on a regular basis, he agreed. Funny, ever since I got it, I've had absolutely no problems with a non-functioning computer, and I've been able to do my job with no issue.

270 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:27:11am

re: #263 Naso Tang

Why do they compare disapproval now with earlier approval?

Is this how reporters show they can add and subtract?

It could be that or they're showing the trend from their last poll. Some of those numbers really pop out, like question #12:

12. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?
Ind: 40-54
Men: 39-56
White: 61-33

272 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:30:00am

The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money culture

Howard Dean has long cultivated an image as the plainspoken doctor who speaks for the left wing of the Democratic Party, a role he still plays as a pugnacious pundit on TV. But since his term as chairman of the Democratic National Committee ended in January 2009, Dr. Dean has taken on a less-noticed role: paid advocate for interest groups that would find few fans among the progressive voters once energized by Dean's 2004 presidential bid.

Dean may not be the worst of the "buckrakers," those prototypical capital characters who exploit their name and connections without regard for principle. But his recent political forays seem to have diverged from his trailblazing left-liberal past.

As senior strategic advisor at McKenna Long & Aldridge, a heavyweight Washington lobbying firm, Dean played a prominent role representing the biotech industry during the healthcare bill debate, staking out a position on biopharmaceutical drugs that was decried by consumer groups.

...

Dean is also currently one of the most prominent paid voices in a public-relations campaign on behalf of the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), an obscure and controversial Iranian militant group that is aggressively lobbying the Obama administration to remove it from the official list of terrorist organizations.

...

The last group, MEK, is something that's they've been trying to hammer Romney and other Republicans on. Many people are questioning the inclusion of MEK as a terrorist organization. It's currently being taken under consideration.

273 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:30:51am

re: #266 Obdicut

I had the opposite problem. I had a full Adobe suite, but I didn't actually need any of it. I told IT to uninstall it, partially because I hate the adobe updater and partially just to free up the license-- that's a huge amount of money.

In four years, they never got around to it.

I have Adobe 5.5 at home, waiting for IT to install Adobe 4. (On my other workstation, I had Adobe 3)

See, this is the reason recruiters don't want to hire long-term unemployed, they are afraid that you don't have access to the latest technological tools.
//

With Adobe 5.5 and a widescreen, I can have code view and design view open side-by-side. I realized how fucked up my design templates are. I am getting rid of all the javascript-driven rollovers and replacing them with CSS.

274 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:36:19am

Apple employees drink too much:

Apple loses another unreleased iPhone (exclusive)
[Link: news.cnet.com...]

In a bizarre repeat of a high-profile incident last year, an Apple employee once again appears to have lost an unreleased iPhone in a bar, CNET has learned.

The errant iPhone, which went missing in San Francisco's Mission district in late July, sparked a scramble by Apple security to recover the device over the next few days, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

Last year, an iPhone 4 prototype was bought by a gadget blog that paid $5,000 in cash. This year's lost phone seems to have taken a more mundane path: it was taken from a Mexican restaurant and bar and may have been sold on Craigslist for $200. Still unclear are details about the device, what version of the iOS operating system it was running, and what it looks like.

275 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:37:06am

re: #261 Alouette

Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.

Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.

Quite a pleasant chore, eh?

276 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:37:57am

re: #272 Gus 802

The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money culture

The last group, MEK, is something that's they've been trying to hammer Romney and other Republicans on. Many people are questioning the inclusion of MEK as a terrorist organization. It's currently being taken under consideration.

I just saw that and started to page it.

277 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:38:30am

re: #247 RogueOne

Ouch:

Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Economy Is Getting Worse, More Voters Say
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]

Hey! There's that 42 percent again.

Yeah. It's the economy. And I don't know why they're going down this "jobs" route instead of the "economy" route. But that's a typical Democratic Party policy during recessions. The Republican Party seem to be using the "jobs" talking points as well. But they're both wrong. The key to creating jobs is fixing the economy. It's like a chicken and the egg and the economy is the egg. You can't have real jobs without a robust economy.

It's like Clinton said: it's the economy stupid.

278 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:39:06am

re: #276 reine.de.tout

I just saw that and started to page it.

Go for it. I was thinking about making one but decided not to.

279 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:39:44am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Just another victory for the Modern GOP.

Yep, just like the tear stained smile on a whiny little fuckin' brats face when he finally gets what he has been whining like a little bitch about wanting.

280 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:41:06am

re: #268 iossarian

Lizard genome sequenced!

[Link: science.slashdot.org...]

My feeble brain can't come up with a witty LGF reference.

Now They can identify you anytime they want to.

281 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:42:40am

re: #274 RogueOne

Apple employees drink too much:

Apple loses another unreleased iPhone (exclusive)
[Link: news.cnet.com...]

Yeah. Apple, the perfect company. Here's another story that caught my eye:

Apple defends itself after pollution allegations

Apple has defended its environmental record after allegations that some of its suppliers are polluting in China.

The technology giant said that it was committed to the highest standard of social responsibility.

The comments come after a report by Chinese environmental groups claimed a number of Apple manufacturers were discharging harmful pollutants.

...

But a company report released earlier this year found dozens of suppliers across the world were mishandling dangerous chemicals.

More than 100 workers were contaminated at one Chinese plant.

Environmental groups say China does not have sufficient rules in place to protect the environment and Apple is taking advantage of that.

It's a tough nut to crack because Apple has an excellent PR or propaganda machine and a following that's almost on par with Scientology.

282 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:46:27am

Off to the gym, BBL. Someone start a fight so I have something amusing to come back to. Get on it!

283 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:48:49am

re: #275 reine.de.tout

Quite a pleasant chore, eh?

My deadlines have not changed.

284 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:49:58am

re: #263 Naso Tang

Why do they compare disapproval now with earlier approval?

Is this how reporters show they can add and subtract?

My aunt from CT says all the East coast liberals are pissed at him for giving too much away on the debt ceiling fight. I don't see those folks voting for Perry, however. They will be energized to vote against Perry, or any R.

285 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:49:58am

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Another Republican rebukes Cantor: Chris Christie demands hurricane aid w/o offsetting cuts [Link: t.co...]

286 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:50:32am

Morning all!

How are the Lizards today?

287 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:51:37am

re: #286 ggt

Morning all!

How are the Lizards today?

Busy reading our genome.

288 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:52:17am

News from our "allies" in Bahrain:

Large Protest in Bahrain After Boy’s Death
By J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: September 1, 2011

Large crowds marched through a restive village near the capital of Bahrain on Thursday for the funeral of a 14-year-old boy killed during a protest against the government.

Photographs of the boy’s face — smiling before his death and caked in blood shortly after — covered the coffin as it was lofted into the air in Sitra, an oil village six miles south of the capital, Manama, and a hub of opposition sentiment. Many in the crowd waved the red and white flag of Bahrain as they followed the body to its burial site...

289 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:53:32am

re: #288 Gus 802

News from our allies in Bahrain:

Large Protest in Bahrain After Boy’s Death
By J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: September 1, 2011

Allies? You know this how?

290 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:55:10am

re: #289 Naso Tang

Allies? You know this how?

Need some coffee?

291 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:55:15am

re: #287 Naso Tang

Busy reading our genome.

I'll save you some time: We are all aliens.

292 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:56:13am

re: #289 Naso Tang

Allies? You know this how?

[Link: www.cnic.navy.mil...]

293 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:56:14am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We're still kinda soggy around the middle (that would be NJ) and towards the north in NY and VT, but the nice weather is helping to dry things out. Things are starting to return to normal, if by normal you mean that there are still more than 250,000 people without power in the NYC metro area (110k are without power in NC where Irene first roared ashore). That's a vast improvement from the millions without power in the hours and days immediately after the storm came ashore, and some of these folks will be without power until the storm flooding recedes and power crews can safely work on restoring the power lines and damaged systems.

Flooding will persist in some parts of NJ through the weekend, when President Obama will visit Paterson.

Meanwhile, Gov. Christie has slammed Congress for even appearing to play games with storm assistance funding - a direct slap at folks like Cantor (a fellow GOPer).

Oh, and TS Katia is now a hurricane and has the potential to make waves for the East Coast. Still too soon to predict with 100% certainty that it will stay offshore, but there's actually a tropical disturbance in the Gulf that may pose more of a threat as moisture from that system may find its way towards the Northeast in the next week.

294 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:57:16am

re: #291 ggt

And here I thought I was a meat Popsicle.

295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:58:20am

re: #294 lawhawk

And here I thought I was a meat Popsicle.

Meat Popsicle would be a good name for a band. Kinda like Meat Puppets, only different.

296 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:59:32am

re: #246 Alouette

Cute baby picture of the day.

Awwwww, look at the beebee!

297 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:01:30am

re: #292 Gus 802

[Link: www.cnic.navy.mil...]

Interesting ads on that navy page:
1. Suicide prevention line
2. "Safe-helpline".
3. Sexual assault reporting assistance line.

298 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:04:41am

Mornin' everyone...fuck, I'm tired. Better go run the dogs...early meeting today.

299 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:05:22am

You can run, you can hide, but eventually they will find you.

300 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:06:02am

re: #274 RogueOne

Apple employees drink too much:

Apple loses another unreleased iPhone (exclusive)
[Link: news.cnet.com...]

Given the kind of boss Steve Jobs could be and the pressure those employees working on the iPhone are under, I might be drinking too.

301 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:07:50am

Groin Strain? That is a diagnosis?

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:09:51am

re: #301 ggt

Groin Strain? That is a diagnosis?

A strained groin is not unusual. More often pulled, though.

304 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:10:09am

re: #297 darthstar

Interesting ads on that navy page:
1. Suicide prevention line
2. "Safe-helpline".
3. Sexual assault reporting assistance line.

Pretty scary.

305 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:10:43am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

A strained groin is not unusual. More often pulled, though.

I guess I'd expect a more technical worded diagnosis.

Still, it seems like a terrible misdiagnosis. Well, it was, it lead to this guys death.

306 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:11:30am

Brutal Bahrain plays vital role to U.S. gov't
By David Martin

THE PENTAGON - The free flow of oil, the containment of Iran and the defeat of al Qaeda, those are the stakes in the Persian Gulf and why the U.S. Navy has about 30 warships assigned to its 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports.

The world's attention was focused Thursday on the tiny Persian Gulf kingdom. Bahrain's capital is under lockdown after government troops attacked protesters overnight. At least five people were killed. Hundreds were wounded. In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called on Bahrain's government to show restraint.

The U.S. Navy has maintained a presence in Bahrain since World War II. The kingdom plays a vital role in protecting American interests.

"This whole area depends upon the ability to maintain naval and air forces in the region," said David Mack, a scholar at the Middle East Institute who once served as U.S. ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.

Continue reading.

307 iossarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:27am

re: #306 Gus 802

It's always all about the oil.

308 Achilles Tang  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:38am

re: #290 Gus 802

Need some coffee?

Never mind. Our sarcs are crossing in the night.

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:45am

re: #305 ggt

I guess I'd expect a more technical worded diagnosis.

Still, it seems like a terrible misdiagnosis. Well, it was, it lead to this guys death.

My friend was diagnosed with pneumonia before he died of an aortic aneurysm. Shit happens.

310 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:53am

re: #293 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We're still kinda soggy around the middle (that would be NJ) and towards the north in NY and VT, but the nice weather is helping to dry things out. Things are starting to return to normal, if by normal you mean that there are still more than 250,000 people without power in the NYC metro area (110k are without power in NC where Irene first roared ashore). That's a vast improvement from the millions without power in the hours and days immediately after the storm came ashore, and some of these folks will be without power until the storm flooding recedes and power crews can safely work on restoring the power lines and damaged systems.

Flooding will persist in some parts of NJ through the weekend, when President Obama will visit Paterson.

Meanwhile, Gov. Christie has slammed Congress for even appearing to play games with storm assistance funding - a direct slap at folks like Cantor (a fellow GOPer).

Oh, and TS Katia is now a hurricane and has the potential to make waves for the East Coast. Still too soon to predict with 100% certainty that it will stay offshore, but there's actually a tropical disturbance in the Gulf that may pose more of a threat as moisture from that system may find its way towards the Northeast in the next week.

I always liked the name "Katia".

311 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:13:24am

From the Supreme Irony department...

Wikileaks Sues the Guardian Over Wikileaks Leak

Apparently the Guardian wrote an expose book about Wikileaks and included a "temporary" password that was supposed to be expired after a single use. Wikileaks is now suing the Guardian for leaking information.

312 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:13:37am

re: #278 Gus 802

Go for it. I was thinking about making one but decided not to.

Naw, about to walk out and run some errands. It was a very interesting piece, though.

313 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:14:25am

re: #311 thedopefishlives

From the Supreme Irony department...

Wikileaks Sues the Guardian Over Wikileaks Leak

Apparently the Guardian wrote an expose book about Wikileaks and included a "temporary" password that was supposed to be expired after a single use. Wikileaks is now suing the Guardian for leaking information.

Some Animals are More Equal than Others

or

The Pot calling the Kettle Black?

314 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:15:42am

re: #308 Naso Tang

Never mind. Our sarcs are crossing in the night.

Well. How am I to know that you were being sarcastic. The written, or typed word does not contain speech inflections. That's why I still use the "//" a lot of times. Otherwise it can catch people in these "gotcha" moments.

315 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:16:13am

re: #308 Naso Tang

Never mind. Our sarcs are crossing in the night.

FRESH Coffee, Cream and Sugar

FOR ALL!

316 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:16:34am

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Naw, about to walk out and run some errands. It was a very interesting piece, though.

Yep. Every man has his price. Apparently Howard Dean has his price. I was never a fan.

317 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:17:01am

re: #314 Gus 802

Well. How am I to know that you were being sarcastic. The written, or typed word does not contain speech inflections. That's why I still use the "//" a lot of times. Otherwise it can catch people in these "gotcha" moments.

Gus, you are right,

sarc tags are very important

;)

318 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:17:39am

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

My friend was diagnosed with pneumonia before he died of an aortic aneurysm. Shit happens.

How Horrible.

sorry you lost your friend.

319 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:18:19am

re: #247 RogueOne

As bad as Obama is perceived to be doing re: the economy, the GOP fares even worse overall.

320 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:19:20am

What in hell?

@ProPublica ProPublica
Florida doctors bought 89 percent of all the Oxycodone sold in the US last year: [Link: t.co...] via @charlesornstein

89 percent?

321 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:19:30am

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

They lost the prior version of the iPhone too - and don't think that this wasn't deliberate either. It's a way to build up the hype. Expect gizmodo or one of the other sites to get their hands on the system and give it a run for the money...

322 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:19:54am

I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.

323 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:20:44am
324 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:21:37am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.

Did I tell you we have a baby frog now visiting our patio?

325 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:22:15am

re: #324 ggt

Did I tell you we have a baby frog now visiting our patio?

Cool! Do you know what kind of frog he is?

326 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:22:55am
327 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:23:07am

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Cool! Do you know what kind of frog he is?

ugly

328 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:24:33am

Good news...

Iraq: US troops' first fatality-free month since 2003

August was the first month since the US-led invasion in 2003 that no US soldiers were killed in Iraq.

329 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:24:42am

re: #327 ggt

ugly

Ya gotta kiss him silly.

330 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:25:54am

re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ya gotta kiss him silly.

I already married my Prince.

331 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:26:54am

I'm tired, allergied out and have to start a full day soon.

I donwanna.

332 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:28:03am

Woah!

Very cool pic of the Eiffel Tower being hit by lightening.

333 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:28:16am
334 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:28:29am

re: #320 Gus 802

What in hell?

@ProPublica ProPublica
Florida doctors bought 89 percent of all the Oxycodone sold in the US last year: [Link: t.co...] via @charlesornstein

89 percent?

The main story is at the New York Times:

Florida Shutting ‘Pill Mill’ Clinics

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Florida has long been the nation’s center of the illegal sale of prescription drugs: Doctors here bought 89 percent of all the Oxycodone sold in the country last year. At its peak, so many out-of-staters flocked to Florida to buy drugs at more than 1,000 pain clinics that the state earned the nickname “Oxy Express.”

But with the help of tougher laws, officials have moved aggressively this year to shut down so-called pill mills and disrupt the pipeline that moves the drugs north. In the past year, more than 400 clinics were either shut down or closed their doors.

Prosecutors have indicted dozens of pill mill operators, and nearly 80 doctors have seen their licenses suspended for prescribing mass quantities of pills without clear medical need.

New laws are also cutting off distribution. As of July, Florida doctors are barred, with a few exceptions, from dispensing narcotics and addictive medicines in their offices or clinics. As a result, doctors’ purchases of Oxycodone, which reached 32.2 million doses in the first six months of 2010, fell by 97 percent in the same period this year. The ban was phased in beginning last October, with a limit on the number of pills a doctor could dispense.

Continues.

Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.

335 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:30:23am

re: #334 Gus 802

The main story is at the New York Times:

Florida Shutting ‘Pill Mill’ Clinics

Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.

How you gonna' get your supply now, Gus?

Mexico?

336 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:30:34am

re: #332 ggt

Dude.... Sweet....

337 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:30:43am

re: #334 Gus 802

We also just had a round up here for old prescriptions and those no longer needed. To keep it away from people and to keep people from flushing it.

338 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:31:26am

re: #335 ggt

How you gonna' get your supply now, Gus?

Mexico?

Thwack!

Nah. Canada.

//

339 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:31:43am

I never knew it was banned.

Gamers, you can now go to Germany.

340 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:34:30am

re: #336 lawhawk

Dude... Sweet...

And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.

Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:35:58am

re: #287 Naso Tang

Busy reading our genome.

Needs a bigger alphabet... ;)

342 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:36:07am

Off to start my day.

Have a great one, Lizards!

343 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:36:45am

re: #339 ggt

I never knew it was banned.

Gamers, you can now go to Germany.

They have pretty strict laws in Germany about Nazi symbols. Even on plastic models:

The Nazi swastika, which appears on World War 2 Luftwaffe aircraft, is illegal to display in Germany, and disappeared from almost all manufacturers' box illustrations in the 1990s. Some makers still include the emblem on the decal sheet, others have "broken" it into two elements which must be reassembled by the builder, while others have omitted it altogether. Aftermarket decal sheets exist that consist entirely of Luftwaffe swastikas.

344 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:36:49am

re: #340 ggt

And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.

Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?

Not really. Just means that the ionization path through the air provided less resistance between mid-tower and ground than between the top of the tower and ground.

345 iossarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:37:32am

re: #340 ggt

And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.

Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?

I don't think the bolt is hitting the tower, I think it's earthing behind it.

Still a cool photo.

346 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:38:39am

re: #340 ggt

And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.

Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?

Looks like it actually hit the earth at some distance behind the tower. Why are you attacking Founding Father Benjamin F? Lightning rod theory is in the Constitution. Still a nice photo.

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:39:23am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.

Should have found that guy in China and gotten a bucket of live scorpions put on the pile. That would have gotten their attention.

348 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:42:43am

re: #340 ggt

Not sure about that. The photo seems to show a leader near the top of the tower, but the path of electricity will follow the path of least resistance, which was lower - where the main strike flowed. You would have needed to see a high speed video to see how this particular lightning strike developed.

349 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:43:40am

Yo, Lawhawk. Maybe you've seen this already...

Steelworkers of the Sky

Also has a slide show and video.

350 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:43:44am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.

Do you have it protected by some kind of barrier so larger animals can't get to it? Dogs will eat that stuff as well.

351 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:47:32am

re: #349 Gus 802

Yeah - see my #326.

Thanks though.

I'm getting close to finishing two separate pieces about 9/11.

One will be covering the emotional and human toll from the attacks and recollections from the first days after the attacks, and the second will be about the physical rebuilding at Ground Zero.

352 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:48:54am

re: #334 Gus 802

The main story is at the New York Times:

Florida Shutting ‘Pill Mill’ Clinics

Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.

Yes, he is. From that article it does look like Florida has long had that sort of problem. Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it. But I really hope that the new enforcement efforts are carefully targeted. Too often they aren't and people whose only real offense was to suffer from chronic pain end up in prison.

353 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:49:04am

re: #350 darthstar

Do you have it protected by some kind of barrier so larger animals can't get to it? Dogs will eat that stuff as well.

Yeah, it's protected from neighborhood pets.

354 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:49:20am

re: #351 lawhawk

Yeah - see my #326.

Thanks though.

I'm getting close to finishing two separate pieces about 9/11.

One will be covering the emotional and human toll from the attacks and recollections from the first days after the attacks, and the second will be about the physical rebuilding at Ground Zero.

Ah. I missed that. The video is good even though it's really a slide show with audio. The steel workers words and the construction noise is what makes it.

355 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:51:19am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he is. From that article it does look like Florida has long had that sort of problem. Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it. But I really hope that the new enforcement efforts are carefully targeted. Too often they aren't and people whose only real offense was to suffer from chronic pain end up in prison.

True. It looks good at first glance but as you mentioned it could unfairly target users who have health issues. Regular abusers should also be treated through drug rehab programs. No sympathy for these doctors though.

356 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:56:02am

re: #355 Gus 802

True. It looks good at first glance but as you mentioned it could unfairly target users who have health issues. Regular abusers should also be treated through drug rehab programs. No sympathy for these doctors though.

Agreed. The basic problem always seems to be lack of oversight, sometimes paired with an over-focus on metrics that the bosses expect met. In such circumstances, people who didn't really commit a crime can end up ruined because someone wanted to pad their conviction rate. The key is to have people overseeing the operation who can halt such actions before they do too much damage. But that often fails to work, since the oversight people are often afraid of being associated with a bad operation and so try to cover up mistakes and bad actions rather than correct them.

357 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:00:03am

re: #355 Gus 802

True. It looks good at first glance but as you mentioned it could unfairly target users who have health issues. Regular abusers should also be treated through drug rehab programs. No sympathy for these doctors though.

Many users can get out of trouble (possession charges dropped) or have a charge reduced by getting treatment or going to rehab. But you're right. Fuck the doctors.

358 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:00:23am

bbiab

359 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:09:20am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it.

Lol Rick Scott is almost literally the fox guarding the henhouse. He cannot be trusted any further than he can be thrown, especially when it comes to anything regarding the medical arena.

360 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:11:07am

re: #334 Gus 802

Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.

One for the "even a broken clock..." file!

361 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:12:23am

re: #360 bratwurst

One for the "even a broken clock..." file!

Yep. And that's one broken clock.

362 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:13:22am

re: #359 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol Rick Scott is almost literally the fox guarding the henhouse. He cannot be trusted any further than he can be thrown, especially when it comes to anything regarding the medical arena.

I hate the incorrect use of the expression "literally" even when accompanied by an "almost" qualifier.

"Literally" means, exactly what the expression is.

OK rant over.

363 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:14:41am

This is in very poor taste....,
GOP raffling off gun in Giffords's district

The Pima County Republican Party is raffling off a Glock 23 handgun to raise money for get out the vote efforts in the district where a Glock was used last winter to kill six people and wound Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

364 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:15:56am

re: #41 HoosierHoops

BTW, it's probably the paralegals who are busy sending out those letters, not the lawyers. They're running down lists collected by the companies about comments that may be derogatory about the company.

Doubt the companies have the time to go after everyone who says something bad about the company. Sending c&d letters to everyone who has a bad opinion of a company isn't going to improve the goodwill either. It's a bad PR move. Best to try and fix the problem instead of sending out letters calling on people to stop saying bad things about company practices.

Another option would be to write a letter back to whoever's sent it saying that instead of sending threatening letter to people who complain about bad service/practices, try fixing the problem and improving communications.

I make a habit of writing letters when I see bad service - and also when a bad situation (like travel cancellations, delays, etc.) is resolved in a good way - rewarding good behavior, scolding on bad behavior. You'd be surprised at the kind of feedback you can get that way.

Oh, and right now my ire is directed at NJ Transit, which has problems when there are no hurricanes or weather issues, but which has taken customer service to new lows after Irene. It claims that they're operating regular service on our train line, but that's not true. They've gone and combined trains and not bothered to tell anyone about it. The schedule is random, but they're telling everyone it's okay. Or blame Metro North that the Port Jervis line isn't already restored.

That's the epitome of bad service - blaming someone else for your own failures.

I (and other riders on our line) wouldn't be upset about having to wait for the next train to come or having to stand like sardines on trains if they simply posted that trains are being combined and a new schedule is being posted until service is restored.

No communications = awful customer service.
Good communications will alleviate some of the frustrations.

We'll see what kind of results my local reps can do to get NJ Transit to fix things...

365 iossarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:16:55am

re: #362 Alouette

I hate the incorrect use of the expression "literally" even when accompanied by an "almost" qualifier.

"Literally" means, exactly what the expression is.

OK rant over.

Ha. I go crazy over jealous =/= envious.

But yes, "literally" is also a bugbear. "His head literally exploded." Yuck.

366 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:16:58am

re: #319 lawhawk

As bad as Obama is perceived to be doing re: the economy, the GOP fares even worse overall.

which would be helpful if he were running for congress....

367 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:18:19am
368 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:19:31am

Gov Chris Christie to Republicans: Don't stiff NJ on Hurricane Irene relief

Gov. Chris Christie got it exactly right Tuesday when he told members of his own party in Washington to stop squabbling and send aid to the victims of Hurricane Irene right away. It was a dose of common sense that this discussion sorely needed, delivered right between the eyes.

Christie was responding to the demand from Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the House majority leader, that any relief offered to victims of the hurricane be offset by spending cuts in other parts of the budget.

“Nobody was asking about offsetting budget cuts in Joplin (Mo., following a May tornado),” Christie said during a visit to Lincoln Park. “And I don’t want to hear about the fact that offsetting budget cuts have to come first, before New Jersey citizens are taken care of.”

Continues.

369 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:20:31am

Funny part in the video where Janet Napolitano talks about the recovery being "taxing" on people and she adds "and I'm against taxes."

370 iossarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:22:08am

re: #368 Gus 802

Standard Republican hypocrisy.

Government money spent on me is wise and thrifty investment.

Government money spent on anyone else is disgusting waste. Also welfare queens driving Cadillacs down gold-plated union streets!!!

371 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:23:01am

re: #367 Lidane

Outrageous outrage, or just really poor taste?

In Same District Where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Was Shot, GOP Auctioning Off A Glock .45 At Fundraiser

I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.

372 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:26:49am

re: #367 Lidane

Outrageous outrage, or just really poor taste?

In Same District Where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Was Shot, GOP Auctioning Off A Glock .45 At Fundraiser

Poor taste

373 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:26:53am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

This is in very poor taste...,
GOP raffling off gun in Giffords's district

Feels like real-life trolling.

374 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:29:00am

re: #368 Gus 802

Gov Chris Christie to Republicans: Don't stiff NJ on Hurricane Irene relief

Didn't Cantor say yesterday the aid money would be coming as soon as someone requested it and they'd fight about the cuts later?

375 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:30:06am

re: #362 Alouette

I hate the incorrect use of the expression "literally" even when accompanied by an "almost" qualifier.

"Literally" means, exactly what the expression is.

OK rant over.

Wait, you mean to tell me there's no such thing as a literal metaphor?

rotfl

376 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:30:13am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.

I hadn't made the connection. Pima Co.. Now we know why.

377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:31:21am

re: #365 iossarian

"His head literally exploded." Yuck.

Aw, that only happens in David Cronenberg movies!

378 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:33:56am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.

The .pdf linked at Lidane's link is still accessible, and has the raffle information.

I think it's outrageously poor taste, which is typical of the Pima County GOP.

379 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:36:04am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he is. From that article it does look like Florida has long had that sort of problem. Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it. But I really hope that the new enforcement efforts are carefully targeted. Too often they aren't and people whose only real offense was to suffer from chronic pain end up in prison.

Careful there, DF, you're sounding almost "lib'rul" there ;)

380 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:36:30am

re: #372 RogueOne

Poor taste

Meh. Gun raffles are pretty common across the country. In fact the NRA had a gun raffle at a gun show in Tucson one week after Giffords was shot. Maybe it's in poor taste but I'm not going to Tweet this bit of news.

381 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:37:15am

re: #373 publicityStunted

Feels like real-life trolling.

It is. Outright gooning. They knew what they were doing, and are just gonna play "aw, shucks" about it all.

382 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:37:38am

re: #368 Gus 802

Gov Chris Christie to Republicans: Don't stiff NJ on Hurricane Irene relief

I'm on the record as disliking Christie. But after calling out the Tea Party over the Muslim judge, his handling of the hurricane situation (like a total pro), and pushing back against Cantor, my respect for the guy has ticked up a few notches.

383 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:38:01am

re: #380 Gus 802

Meh. Gun raffles are pretty common across the country. In fact the NRA had a gun raffle at a gun show in Tucson one week after Giffords was shot. Maybe it's in poor taste but I'm not going to Tweet this bit of news.

I don't have a problem with it really, just acknowledging it's in poor taste, literally. Like Wrenchwrench said, it's Pima Co. They don't really think things through.

384 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:40:23am

re: #383 RogueOne

I don't have a problem with it really, just acknowledging it's in poor taste, literally. Like Wrenchwrench said, it's Pima Co. They don't really think things through.

Yep. It's pretty stupid for the Pima County Republicans to be doing this. Maybe wait another year or so. Otherwise it really shows poor political judgement on their part. As far as being insensitive I don't know. I find that hard to judge considering all the other shit that we pull as a nation as a whole here and abroad. I'm a lot more outraged about our policy towards Bahrain for example.

385 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:40:46am

re: #374 RogueOne

Didn't Cantor say yesterday the aid money would be coming as soon as someone requested it and they'd fight about the cuts later?

I thought it was the VA governor who said that they could bitch and fight about money later, but people need help now.

386 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:41:49am

Speaking of AZ, Did everyone see this yesterday?

Steven Seagal accused of killing a puppy and hundreds of chickens
[Link: www.avclub.com...]

the actor turned deputy sheriff is now facing another potential lawsuit, this time for his role in a March police raid that involved busting up an Arizona man’s house on suspicion of running an illegal cockfighting farm. Shortly after the incident, Seagal explained that the raid on suspect Jesus Llovera—which involved a Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department team in full riot gear swarming his family’s home, as Steven Seagal crashed through his gates in a tank—all came about because, as Seagal said to a local TV station, “Animal cruelty is one of my pet peeves.” So in order to prevent said animal cruelty, Seagal and his team apparently “euthanized” the more than 100 roosters it found on Llovera’s property and, according to a just-filed claim from Llovera, also shot and killed his 11-month-old puppy.

387 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:42:17am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.

Ditto. It looks horrible, but I seriously doubt that it is prompted by any malicious intent where Congresswoman Giffords is concerned. Only a fool would do this; it isn't the action of someone who is "crazy like a fox".

388 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:46:25am

re: #383 RogueOne

I don't have a problem with it really, just acknowledging it's in poor taste, literally. Like Wrenchwrench said, it's Pima Co. They don't really think things through.

Gun raffles are not a bad thing on their own merits, provided they're handled correctly. This just seems like really bad taste and bad planning. Rep. Giffords just got shot a few months ago, and with the same type of gun. At least plan things a little better, you know?

389 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:46:37am

re: #385 Lidane

I thought it was the VA governor who said that they could bitch and fight about money later, but people need help now.

My paraphrase was off:

Cantor in tricky spot on disaster aid
[Link: thehill.com...]

Cantor’s office on Tuesday took steps to walk back the majority leader’s Fox remarks, issuing a statement vowing that victims of the recent disasters “will certainly get what they need from their federal government.” They also suggested it was possible that disaster funds would not be offset, though they said offsetting them would be the responsible thing to do.

“The goal should be to find ways to pay for what is needed or to find offsets whenever possible; that is the responsible thing to do — especially with a $14 trillion debt,” Cantor’s office said in a news release.

The White House, for its part, has also left itself flexibility on the topic. While White House press secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday chided Cantor for not demanding that the previous administration pay for an “unprecedented” amount of bills, he also did not take a firm position on the question of offsets.

I take that to mean the money will be there. I don't think Cantor is going to blow his foot off to make a point.

390 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:50:57am

Youth football player tackles referee, leading to braw

[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]

Maybe the kid just needs corrective lenses!!

391 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:52:07am

re: #390 sattv4u2

Youth football player tackles referee, leading to braw

[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]

Maybe the kid just needs corrective lenses!!

Ismail said the fight started minutes before halftime over some disputed calls, and the coaches from the Gators started throwing water bottles at the referees.

Great example for the kids, ya jackasses

392 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:56:58am

K Kiddies


Mrs Satty is taking me out to brunch

((why did she just remind me to take MY wallet!?!?))

393 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:58:48am

Oh, this promises to be fun:

Perry Proposed A Bi-National Health Insurance Plan With Mexico In 2001

Spin, Goodhair, spin. ROFL.

394 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:02:05am

re: #393 Lidane

Oh, this promises to be fun:

Perry Proposed A Bi-National Health Insurance Plan With Mexico In 2001

Spin, Goodhair, spin. ROFL.

...

Clearly this was an underhanded attempt by Rick Perry to secretly allow TERRORIST BABIES into the United States from Mexico through a "Bi-National Health Insurance Plan" because Rick Perry is in fact A STEALTH JIHADIST!!11ty

395 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:03:23am

Speaking of which...

Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am

Earlier this month, Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy accused New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie of “misprision of treason” for appointing lawyer Sohail Mohammed, who is Muslim, to the state’s Superior Court. While speaking with Rick Joyner of MorningStar Ministries and The Oak Initiative yesterday, Gaffney said that more people need to be investigated for misprision of treason. Misprison of treason is a federal offense committed when a person does not report treasonous activity to a federal official and punishable by up to seven years in prison.

But Gaffney didn’t stop there.

After lauding the House Un-American Activities Committee, which was notorious for using ‘red scare’ tactics in government and the entertainment industry in the 1950’s, Gaffney called for the establishment of a “House Anti-American Activities Committee” that would investigate people involved in treasonous activities or their concealment...

396 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:05:13am
397 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:05:16am

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

Ditto. It looks horrible, but I seriously doubt that it is prompted by any malicious intent where Congresswoman Giffords is concerned. Only a fool would do this; it isn't the action of someone who is "crazy like a fox".

If it's not malicious intent, it's at least malicious disregard. It's not likely they "forgot" about the shooting of Giffords and Judge Roll and the other five dead people and dozen injured.

398 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:06:13am

re: #395 Gus 802

Gaffney's doubling down on the dumb.

399 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:08:00am

re: #395 Gus 802

Speaking of which...

Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am

Wow, this could be dangerous because today's Republicans are radical enough to embrace the idea.

400 zora  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:09:25am

re: #386 RogueOne

from the link:

At the time, the use of several armored vehicles, dozens of law enforcement officers, and, of course, Steve Seagal riding in a tank to raid an unarmed chicken farm, level a surrounding wall, and smash out the windows of Llovera’s home was immediately derided as gross misuse of force and funds, all authorized by self-styled celebrity Sheriff Joe Arpaio in order to play up to the reality TV cameras—an argument that Llovera’s subsequent minor arrest for “suspicion of cockfighting” did little to quell.

a tank and a swat team for cockfighting. insane.

401 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:12:39am

re: #390 sattv4u2

Youth football player tackles referee, leading to braw

[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]

Maybe the kid just needs corrective lenses!!

I really hate Adults Behaving Badly.

The adults involved need to be removed from youth sports for life. That kid needs to be removed from youth sports.

402 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:12:56am

re: #395 Gus 802

Speaking of which...
Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am

Frank Gaffney needs to get laid or sent on a tropical vacation or something. The guy is FAR too tightly wound for it to be healthy.

Chris Christie isn't a traitor for appointing a Muslim judge, and Grover Norquist might be an asshole, but he's not a secret jihadist for having a Muslim wife. Also, the HUAC was a dark time for the United States, not something to be emulated.

403 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:14:28am

re: #395 Gus 802

Speaking of which...

Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am

Hey Frank, even Joe McCarthy himself wouldn't go for your definition of "Anti-American Activities", nor would any person less paranoid than the John Birch Society. Knock off the nuttiness and see a shrink.

404 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:15:45am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Hey Frank, even Joe McCarthy himself wouldn't go for your definition of "Anti-American Activities", nor would any person less paranoid than the John Birch Society. Knock off the nuttiness and see a shrink.

He'd just call the shrink a secret jihadist in league with the Muslim Brotherhood or something.

What Frank needs is a vacation, or for somebody to pay off a porn star to give him a good time and finally get him laid.

405 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:15:45am

re: #393 Lidane

Oh, this promises to be fun:

Perry Proposed A Bi-National Health Insurance Plan With Mexico In 2001

He supports nationalized healthcare AND bisexuals!

406 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:16:30am

re: #404 Lidane

He'd just call the shrink a secret jihadist in league with the Muslim Brotherhood or something.

What Frank needs is a vacation, or for somebody to pay off a porn star to give him a good time and finally get him laid.

He could party with Pam.
//

407 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:18:33am

re: #400 zora

from the link:

a tank and a swat team for cockfighting. insane.

A SWAT team I can understand, given the need to cordon off a large area. The "tank" was an intimidation tactic and in my opinion major overkill.

408 Lidane  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:20:52am

Completely OT, but yay me! I flat out told my boss that working for free was no longer an option because student loans were only going to take me so far. He agreed and has said they want to keep me here because they think I'm doing a great job.

Now comes the fun part -- figuring out a salary to ask for. I need to give him a ballpark figure that I'd be happy with. I have a lot of number crunching in my future. I don't want to go too high, but I'm not going to sell myself short, either.

This is good news. My day is made. :D

409 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:22:25am

re: #404 Lidane

He'd just call the shrink a secret jihadist in league with the Muslim Brotherhood or something.

What Frank needs is a vacation, or for somebody to pay off a porn star to give him a good time and finally get him laid.

Sadly, they can't get a porn star for that right now. The porn industry in LA is shut down at the moment due to a positive HIV test. He'd think such a gift was an attempt to give him AIDS.

/Not really kidding. He's that paranoid.

410 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:25:08am

re: #408 Lidane

Completely OT, but yay me! I flat out told my boss that working for free was no longer an option because student loans were only going to take me so far. He agreed and has said they want to keep me here because they think I'm doing a great job.

Now comes the fun part -- figuring out a salary to ask for. I need to give him a ballpark figure that I'd be happy with. I have a lot of number crunching in my future. I don't want to go too high, but I'm not going to sell myself short, either.

This is good news. My day is made. :D

My first job right out of college was $23K/year

But that was during the Reagan administration.

411 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:46:22am

re: #408 Lidane

Awesome. If you need any advice, shoot me an email. On salary request, that is.


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