Video: Chump and Clump
I’d call this the “afternoon insanity break,” but it’s too freaking insane for that.
Youtube Video
I’d call this the “afternoon insanity break,” but it’s too freaking insane for that.
Youtube Video1 | darthstar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:03:29pm |
I was hoping those mushrooms at the start wouldn't get wasted...fun video.
3 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:06:38pm |
This is your mind on drugs..
That was like watching an animated version of Cheech and Chong without any dialog...I give it an 85 cause it was easy to dance to
4 | wrenchwench Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:12:29pm |
I can sit here and read and post comments for hours, but put up a 10 minute video and my reaction is "I don't have time for that!" which I suddenly realized is bullshit, so I watched it. I enjoyed it. It may have helped me to overcome the trauma of my inability to catch a bus in my youth.
5 | Bubblehead II Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:19:46pm |
"I’d call this the “afternoon insanity break,” but it’s too freaking insane for that."
So was that vid. Just went "Whoosh" as it passed by my head.
6 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:33:07pm |
Reminds me of The Parable of Mushin, One of my favorites. Worth the effort, it's a short read.
8 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:35:09pm |
10 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 4:48:23pm |
Hilarious video. But I gotta go this computer is about to be retired for good. I just gotta take it to my guy who will pull a big HD from it and swap it into a new I6 win7/win xp dual boot tower.
Have a great evening everyone!
11 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:18:52pm |
Perhaps it's a hopeful sign of the increasing irrelevance of Ann Coulter, but I see that here latest rants against Darwin and Evolution are getting less play than they used to.
Just today Human Events ran another one of Coulter's anti-science rants... PZed picked up on one last week that ran, but other than the hard core creationism-battle types it hasn't drawn much attention.
I'm wondering if Coulter is just trying to find a new sort of relevance in the wake of Perry's ignorant remarks - given that Perry gets 1000x the media coverage that Coulter (and other fading talking heads) receive?
My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.
My concern is that a far darker, and more knee-jerk, movement is forming among the populace, sprouting out of the dwindling opportunities for good jobs and the bleak outlook for retirees. Groups are capable of making quite stupid decisions, based on fears and insecurity.
I do hope that President Obama can rise to the occasion, a la FDR, and speak about the social well-being and that fear is too potent to be a play thing for nascent demagogues.
13 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:23:04pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Perhaps it's a hopeful sign of the increasing irrelevance of Ann Coulter, but I see that here latest rants against Darwin and Evolution are getting less play than they used to.
Just today Human Events ran another one of Coulter's anti-science rants... PZed picked up on one last week that ran, but other than the hard core creationism-battle types it hasn't drawn much attention.
I'm wondering if Coulter is just trying to find a new sort of relevance in the wake of Perry's ignorant remarks - given that Perry gets 1000x the media coverage that Coulter (and other fading talking heads) receive?
My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.
My concern is that a far darker, and more knee-jerk, movement is forming among the populace, sprouting out of the dwindling opportunities for good jobs and the bleak outlook for retirees. Groups are capable of making quite stupid decisions, based on fears and insecurity.
I do hope that President Obama can rise to the occasion, a la FDR, and speak about the social well-being and that fear is too potent to be a play thing for nascent demagogues.
Ann - I'm terrified of becoming irrelevant - Coulter is fading into obscurity.
14 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:24:05pm |
re: #11 freetoken
My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.
Alex Pareene thinks people are getting tired of "vacuous avatars of cultural resentment masquerading as Republican politicians."
Maybe the same is happening with her.
crazy fatigue
15 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:26:54pm |
re: #14 jaunte
Alex Pareene thinks people are getting tired of "vacuous avatars of cultural resentment masquerading as Republican politicians."
Maybe the same is happening with her.
crazy fatigue
Coulter's best crazy was never beyond 800 millibachmanns. She needs to step up her game, or she'll get cut.
16 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:28:11pm |
re: #14 jaunte
What if they held a Republican Party and nobody came?
17 | makeitstop Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:28:44pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Perhaps it's a hopeful sign of the increasing irrelevance of Ann Coulter, but I see that here latest rants against Darwin and Evolution are getting less play than they used to.
Just today Human Events ran another one of Coulter's anti-science rants... PZed picked up on one last week that ran, but other than the hard core creationism-battle types it hasn't drawn much attention.
I'm wondering if Coulter is just trying to find a new sort of relevance in the wake of Perry's ignorant remarks - given that Perry gets 1000x the media coverage that Coulter (and other fading talking heads) receive?
My take is that Coulter et. al. are speaking to a non-growing crowd, one that is shrinking (by deaths every day) slowly but surely.
My concern is that a far darker, and more knee-jerk, movement is forming among the populace, sprouting out of the dwindling opportunities for good jobs and the bleak outlook for retirees. Groups are capable of making quite stupid decisions, based on fears and insecurity.
I do hope that President Obama can rise to the occasion, a la FDR, and speak about the social well-being and that fear is too potent to be a play thing for nascent demagogues.
Coulter's Fame Clock currently reads 14:59, and she's nervous.
18 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:30:13pm |
re: #13 b_sharp
She has her chorus of supporters at far-right (and belly-gazing) sites like Human Events. Reading comments over there is like finding the lexicon of every rehashed creationist talking point ever put to paper/electrons.
But, I bet the size of that group isn't growing. It still wants to find solace in any thing that won't challenge their collective religious belief.
What I do see emerging among a younger group is a hardness to people, a sort of detachment. I think it began with the end of the baby boomers (like myself) and really has found a home in those born after the 1960's. I'm not able to describe it well, but I'm thinking of how disconnected cause and effect has become in matters of money, retirement, decision making, and life in general.
We could be on the cusp of a new form of political identity in this country, in which money ironically matters the most.
19 | 3CPO Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:30:21pm |
freetoken, I don't know if you saw my message about our trip to San Diego. We were stuck downtown for most of the week, so we didn't see too much. But we did find some excellent food. Stout Pub and Hodad's. I can't recommend them highly enough.
20 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:34:05pm |
22 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:34:28pm |
re: #19 3CPO
Hope you enjoyed your visit. I don't get down town very often - years ago I used to do dancing quite a bit or hang out, but these days I find myself doing my evening constitutionally beneficial walks and enjoying sundowns... which I think I'll go do now.
23 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:39:36pm |
re: #20 wlewisiii
OT, but:
So, back from the Doctor's office already? What he say?
He's seems to think I'm OK for now, but he gave me an inhaler and a referral to a heart/lung guy. I'm hoping I don't have to wait long to get in.
24 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:41:27pm |
re: #23 b_sharp
He's seems to think I'm OK for now, but he gave me an inhaler and a referral to a heart/lung guy. I'm hoping I don't have to wait long to get in.
If you have another event, call 911 (or the canadian equivalent?) immediately, m'k?
25 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:42:57pm |
re: #24 wlewisiii
If you have another event, call 911 (or the canadian equivalent?) immediately, m'k?
I've talked it over with the wife and that's exactly what one of us will do.
Thanks for the concern.
26 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:43:45pm |
The dysfunctional Republican drama continues....
“Childish!” Dems, GOP Snipe Publicly Over The Timing Of President’s Job Speech
27 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:45:37pm |
Thanks to everyone for your concern and your support.
You, ladies and gentlemen, are some incredibly terrific people. I hope I can meet at least some of you face to face some day.
28 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:47:17pm |
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?
29 | 3CPO Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:49:05pm |
re: #28 Alouette
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?
I vote for the "fuck off" option. Lots of people say things like that about companies without consequence.
You should see what I said about H&R Block...
30 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:49:32pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
And Ron Paul is 'weighing' forcing a roll-call vote. They might as well be sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "la-la-la-la-la I won't hear you!"
31 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:49:40pm |
re: #28 Alouette
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?
Fuck off. It'll never stand up in court. It's just a hollow threat to intimidate people.
32 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:51:58pm |
re: #30 jaunte
And Ron Paul is 'weighing' forcing a roll-call vote. They might as well be sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "la-la-la-la-la I won't hear you!"
I really don't think this is going to pan out well for the GOP. Just another factor in their self inflicted implosion. They can't schedule a fucking speech, how can they be expected to negotiate a budget?
33 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:52:02pm |
re: #28 Alouette
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?
Best to talk to a lawyer.
34 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:52:39pm |
re: #31 Killgore Trout
Fuck off. It'll never stand up in court. It's just a hollow threat to intimidate people.
Doesn't it depend on what has been posted?
I'd call a lawyer.. You can be sued by corporations..
35 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:55:27pm |
re: #28 Alouette
Capital One seems to have a reputation.
Bernie Sanders:
Today's loan sharks are no longer lurking on street corners or hiding in alleys, breaking kneecaps to collect their payments. They now wine and dine with the president and other powerful political leaders, wear Armani suits, make hundreds of millions in total compensation and head banks like Citigroup, MBNA and Capital One. The old-fashioned loan shark was a common criminal who broke the law. The modern loan shark, through campaign contributions and political connections, writes the law.
[Link: www.signonsandiego.com...]
Also see:
West Virginia Attorney General Darrell McGraw has sued Capital One Bank, N.A. and four other companies, charging "unfair and deceptive acts and practices, unlawful debt collection practices, and unconscionable conduct in connection with their credit card lending and collection practices."
[Link: www.consumeraffairs.com...]
36 | makeitstop Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:56:43pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
The dysfunctional Republican drama continues...
“Childish!” Dems, GOP Snipe Publicly Over The Timing Of President’s Job Speech
Hell. let 'em all stay away and throw their little tantrum. Obama should still do it in Congress, with plenty of camera shots of a half-empty chamber and an explanation that Republicans just don't seem to think getting this country working again is all that important.
37 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 31, 2011 5:56:49pm |
re: #34 HoosierHoops
Doesn't it depend on what has been posted?
I'd call a lawyer.. You can be sued by corporations..
Corporations can go around sueing random citizens who diss them on Facebook? Not even BP has enough money to pay all the lawyers for that.
38 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:01:39pm |
re: #27 b_sharp
Thanks to everyone for your concern and your support.
You, ladies and gentlemen, are some incredibly terrific people. I hope I can meet at least some of you face to face some day.
I think there is a Meet Albusteve special next month...call my office for details...tell them I said give you a keychain
39 | wrenchwench Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:01:56pm |
I'm gonna do a Kragar here and pimp my new Page in the comments.
Gun shop owner in New Mexico arrested with wife and sons for selling weapons to Mexican cartels
And with that, I'm out 'til tomorrow.
40 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:03:23pm |
re: #28 Alouette
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?
tell them to fuck off, then retweet every four hours....intimidation don't work
41 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:04:27pm |
re: #37 Alouette
Corporations can go around sueing random citizens who diss them on Facebook? Not even BP has enough money to pay all the lawyers for that.
Like I said
Doesn't it depend on what has been posted?
I don't know the law.. But somebody got the attention of one of the biggest credit card companies in the world and a 500 dollar/ hr lawyer sent a letter..
I'd call a lawyer to check it out.. I told Lawhawk to set up a 1-800-Law-Hawk call line..Why not get that flat on Park Ave? Look at the money you'll save commuting Lawhawk..
42 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:08:42pm |
when you walk into court, and look into the eyes of Capital One's millionaire lawyer row...folder under your arm, wearing your Cap1Sucks tee, smile to the judge, nod respectfully to the jury...you've already won...case closed
43 | Bubblehead II Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:08:44pm |
Since thice is a video open.
44 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:12:37pm |
re: #42 albusteve
when you walk into court, and look into the eyes of Capital One's millionaire lawyer row...folder under your arm, wearing your Cap1Sucks tee, smile to the judge, nod respectfully to the jury...you've already won...case closed
couple little problems..We don't know their complaint, They have unlimited legal resources and even if you win without a lawyer...A credit card company can f*ck with you the rest of your life....
And there isn't a thing you can do...
45 | prairiefire Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:12:43pm |
re: #42 albusteve
when you walk into court, and look into the eyes of Capital One's millionaire lawyer row...folder under your arm, wearing your Cap1Sucks tee, smile to the judge, nod respectfully to the jury...you've already won...case closed
Also make sure you have a fresh haircut and shave.
46 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:16:46pm |
re: #44 HoosierHoops
couple little problems..We don't know their complaint, They have unlimited legal resources and even if you win without a lawyer...A credit card company can f*ck with you the rest of your life...
And there isn't a thing you can do...
there is always the bottom line...stick up for yourself and take the fight to the perps...I've represented myself in court more than once, and I never give up...credit card companies don't intimidate me, and lawyers don't intimidate me by a long shot...the IRS does tho...whoa those guys are bad ass
48 | Atlas Fails Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:24:14pm |
re: #46 albusteve
there is always the bottom line...stick up for yourself and take the fight to the perps...I've represented myself in court more than once, and I never give up...credit card companies don't intimidate me, and lawyers don't intimidate me by a long shot...the IRS does tho...whoa those guys are bad ass
Ever see "Dinner for Schmucks"? I can't picture IRS agents without smiling a little now.
49 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:28:22pm |
re: #48 Atlas Fails
Ever see "Dinner for Schmucks"? I can't picture IRS agents without smiling a little now.
no...but I have been to court twice against those guys...I tell ya, they scare me...they have judicial superpowers, judges don't even like them.....razor sharp and they pack a punch...all said and done it was a draw...they owe me over 8k...but they want me to fight them for it...it's stressful to deal with the IRS if you are in trouble
50 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:28:52pm |
re: #46 albusteve
there is always the bottom line...stick up for yourself and take the fight to the perps...I've represented myself in court more than once, and I never give up...credit card companies don't intimidate me, and lawyers don't intimidate me by a long shot...the IRS does tho...whoa those guys are bad ass
My Lawyer is an old school religious man.. Deeply Christian that has Glenn Beck Books in the Lobby.. I think he is awesome..He is a really good lawyer and he is like that preacher in a River runs through it.. He takes off his glasses.. Would you step into my office?
He is like a Father figure that spends half the time talking about life in general...Then kicks butt on your behalf..
51 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:29:17pm |
How not to deal with Capitol One:
8. Ms. Wilson verified Mr. Borneisen's identity prior to speaking with him.
9. During Mr. Borneisen's phone call conversation with Ms. Wilson, Mr. Borneisen admits to calling Ms. Wilson a "dumb bitch".
10. Mr. Borneisen further admits to making the following statement to Ms.Wilson during their April 12, 2008, phone conversation: "[Y]ou think I don't know where Glen Allen, Virginia is? Because I grew up there. My first apartment was right next door."
11. Mr. Borneisen further admits to stating,"What do I have to do, come up there and put my foot in somebody's ass before you stop calling this house eight to ten times a day?"
12. Ms. Wilson's computer notes taken during the April 12, 2008, phone call with Mr. Borneisen reflect that Mr. Borneisen said that he would "[W]alk into Glen Allen and shoot everybody in there and stated that he is not paying on this account."
13. A written statement made by Ms. Wilson on April 12, 2008, states that Mr. Borneisen stated he would not pay his account, that he called Ms. Wilson "every name but my name," and that he would come to Glen Allen and blow the place up.
52 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:31:14pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
The dysfunctional Republican drama continues...
“Childish!” Dems, GOP Snipe Publicly Over The Timing Of President’s Job Speech
The real howler is in DeMint's bit...
The iconic South Carolina conservative said. “If he has a jobs proposal, put it in writing, give us a cost estimate, and send it over. I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter. If he insists on playing politics by picking the night of the GOP debate, I will object to the session.”
Okay, have any of the Republican candidates put forth an actual jobs proposal? Have any of them gotten said proposal scored for a cost estimate? So far, all I've heard from them is talking points, read from memory rather than a teleprompter. Same goes for the GOP leadership, not one of them has put forth a "jobs bill" that has a cost estimate attached.
The only one playing politics are Congressional Republicans looking to find a reason why they're snubbing the President.
53 | recusancy Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:32:50pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The real howler is in DeMint's bit...
Okay, have any of the Republican candidates put forth an actual jobs proposal? Have any of them gotten said proposal scored for a cost estimate? So far, all I've heard from them is talking points, read from memory rather than a teleprompter. Same goes for the GOP leadership, not one of them has put forth a "jobs bill" that has a cost estimate attached.
The only one playing politics are Congressional Republicans looking to find a reason why they're snubbing the President.
Obama moved it to the next day. "Crisis" over.
54 | Varek Raith Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:32:52pm |
re: #28 Alouette
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
Should he be worried or should he tell them to fuck off?
Tell them to fuck off.
Diamonds are a scam!
Come get me, De Beers!
55 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:34:37pm |
re: #50 HoosierHoops
My Lawyer is an old school religious man.. Deeply Christian that has Glenn Beck Books in the Lobby.. I think he is awesome..He is a really good lawyer and he is like that preacher in a River runs through it.. He takes off his glasses.. Would you step into my office?
He is like a Father figure that spends half the time talking about life in general...Then kicks butt on your behalf..
yeah, strange people, lawyers, judges, scrubs...that is a whole nother underworld...court can be fascinating
56 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:37:17pm |
re: #54 Varek Raith
Tell them to fuck off.
Diamonds are a scam!
Come get me, De Beers!
Mom's Wrinkle Trick is a scam!
Mom's Teeth Whitening Trick is a scam!
Mom's Work at Home is a scam!
One Trick of a Tiny Belly is a scam!
The 3 Step Plan is a scam!
Come get me, mother......s
57 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:37:55pm |
re: #53 recusancy
Obama moved it to the next day. "Crisis" over.
Oh, that should go over like the proverbial lead balloon.
58 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:39:52pm |
nobody likes the Doors....
for you then
Roadhouse Blues
59 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:39:52pm |
Godless scientist caught drinking while collecting socialist paycheck....
60 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:41:19pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Godless scientist caught drinking while collecting socialist paycheck...
[Video]
sort of erotic...
I played it twice
61 | Atlas Fails Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:43:54pm |
re: #53 recusancy
Obama moved it to the next day. "Crisis" over.
Perhaps the lamest right wing outrage yet. Seriously, why wouldn't Obama want people to watch a GOP debate so rich with gold standard nostalgia, religious fanaticism, contempt for the working class, and other such dumbassery?
Oh, and did it occur to any Republican that maybe, just maybe, Obama scheduled his address for Wednesday because it's the first day Congress is back in session, and he wants to begin solving the jobs crisis ASAP?
62 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:45:53pm |
re: #55 albusteve
yeah, strange people, lawyers, judges, scrubs...that is a whole nother underworld...court can be fascinating
Always have a good Lawyer...Whether you a college kid getting caught have sex on the beach at 3am or forgot a ticket for years and the blood thirsty DA wants to toss you in jail...Look I forgot..here is a check..Are you bribing me sir? No..Do I look like I have dough nuts in the front seat?
Step out of the car sir..Always make sure you have a good lawyer on speed dial.. I sued AMEX a few years ago.. And won..It's good to have a lawyer that prays for his clients before he goes to bed at night..For a 150 bucks an hour you can't buy more attention to details..And he is a Glenn Beck fan..So when it's the end of the world I can pay him in Gold and seeds..
63 | Varek Raith Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:47:01pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
Always have a good Lawyer...Whether you a college kid getting caught have sex on the beach at 3am or forgot a ticket for years and the blood thirsty DA wants to toss you in jail...Look I forgot..here is a check..Are you bribing me sir? No..Do I look like I have dough nuts in the front seat?
Step out of the car sir..Always make sure you have a good lawyer on speed dial.. I sued AMEX a few years ago.. And won..It's good to have a lawyer that prays for his clients before he goes to bed at night..For a 150 bucks an hour you can't buy more attention to details..And he is a Glenn Beck fan..So when it's the end of the world I can pay him in Gold and seeds..
Awesome.
XD
64 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:49:13pm |
re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh, that should go over like the proverbial lead balloon.
As Demint was willing to use procedural maneuvers to block the Joint Session on the Senate side, it was either the 8th (the only other day that week congress will be in session), or the 7th but at a less desirable venue. But you're right, LW reaction so far is all predictable whinging about "caving".
Here's the brief WH statement:
Today, the President asked to address the Congress about the need for urgent action on the economic situation facing the American people as soon as Congress returned from recess. Both Houses will be back in session after their August recess on Wednesday, September 7th, so that was the date that was requested. We consulted with the Speaker about that date before the letter was released, but he determined Thursday would work better. The President is focused on the urgent need to create jobs and grow our economy, so he welcomes the opportunity to address a Joint Session of Congress on Thursday, September 8th and challenge our nation's leaders to start focusing 100% of their attention on doing whatever they can to help the American people.
Apparently there were no real votes scheduled, and of course the Speaker has total control over that sort of vote scheduling, so Boehner's objections about important scheduled business was kind of BS, not that it really matters in today's political/media environment.
65 | Bear Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:51:00pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
But what if you do not have either gold or seeds? Will he take a semi-truck of dollars?
//
66 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:52:02pm |
Obama just agreed to postpone his congressional speech until September 8th.
67 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:53:40pm |
re: #64 simoom
AP's dispassionate, objective title for their story on the Joint Session scheduling (///):
"Obama bows to Boehner; jobs speech will be Sept. 8"
68 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:53:49pm |
re: #66 Charles
I'm kinda sorry to see that.
70 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:20pm |
71 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:42pm |
re: #69 JasonA
I guess he could have pounded his fist on the table and got real mad.
72 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:54:57pm |
re: #65 Bear
But what if you do not have either gold or seeds? Will he take a semi-truck of dollars?
//
Then I guess I'll have no choice..I'll drive to his house and go all Zombieland on his ass and take his gold and eat a fresh garden salad in the kitchen While they are tied up in the basement...
Hey Nice Garden!
I can't believe you guys didn't see this coming...
73 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:56:53pm |
re: #71 Obdicut
I guess he could have pounded his fist on the table and got real mad.
maybe he did...he's getting his ass kicked by the GOP and I don't much like it
74 | Varek Raith Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:57:11pm |
re: #72 HoosierHoops
Then I guess I'll have no choice..I'll drive to his house and go all Zombieland on his ass and take his gold and eat a fresh garden salad in the kitchen While they are tied up in the basement...
Hey Nice Garden!
I can't believe you guys didn't see this coming...
Remember!
Pillage then burn!
/
75 | bratwurst Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:57:15pm |
So now his speech goes head-to-head with the NFL opener (Saints and Packers!) instead of GOP Survivor.
Fail.
76 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:57:44pm |
re: #73 albusteve
maybe he did...he's getting his ass kicked by the GOP and I don't much like it
You seem really concerned, Steve.
77 | ProGunLiberal Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:10pm |
Meanwhile, this appeared in the last week on Disney Channel.
78 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:27pm |
re: #75 bratwurst
So now his speech goes head-to-head with the NFL opener (Saints and Packers!) instead of GOP Survivor.
Fail.
Yeah, hence my "lead balloon" response. Either the speech will preempt, sparking a lot of angry responses, or it'll be shown concurrently and be ignored.
But hey, we get to watch the GOP debate as scheduled, and that's a good thing...right?/
79 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:41pm |
re: #75 bratwurst
So now his speech goes head-to-head with the NFL opener (Saints and Packers!) instead of GOP Survivor.
Fail.
no shit?...wow, bad move...even presidents don't fuck with the NFL
80 | Atlas Fails Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:58:48pm |
re: #68 Rightwingconspirator
I'm kinda sorry to see that.
Unfortunately, the GOP are acting like petulant children yet again. When major players in the Senate like DeMint threaten to boycott what's supposed to be bipartisan session on job creation, there aren't a whole lot of options.
81 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:59:27pm |
82 | Linden Arden Wed, Aug 31, 2011 6:59:42pm |
Ron Paul rejects Evolution today Link
Probably posted prior to this - But this nutcase is now POTUS worthy?
Give me a break - RP is a throwback to 1850.
83 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:00:00pm |
re: #73 albusteve
maybe he did...he's getting his ass kicked by the GOP and I don't much like it
More like respect for the Office of the Presidency is getting it's "ass kicked by the GOP," in one unprecedented action after another.
84 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:01:24pm |
When did debates this far out become important to the American people?
85 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:01:29pm |
re: #79 albusteve
no shit?...wow, bad move...even presidents don't fuck with the NFL
Congress is only in session two days that week. It was either the 7th which Boehner & Demint were vowing to obstruct, or the 8th vs the NFL.
86 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:01:53pm |
87 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:02:08pm |
re: #85 simoom
Congress is only in session two days that week. It was either the 7th which Boehner & Demint were vowing to obstruct, or the 8th vs the NFL.
Fuck jobs. What do we need those for anyway...
88 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:02:17pm |
re: #84 JasonA
When did debates this far out become important to the American people?
They didn't. I hope some people actually watch them now, to see what the fuss is all about, and see the GOP blathering like the lunatics they are.
89 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:03:03pm |
re: #88 Obdicut
They didn't. I hope some people actually watch them now, to see what the fuss is all about, and see the GOP blathering like the lunatics they are.
But they won't. Unless you're already interested in these things they're really really boring.
91 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:04:59pm |
re: #85 simoom
Congress is only in session two days that week. It was either the 7th which Boehner & Demint were vowing to obstruct, or the 8th vs the NFL.
I'd have called their bluff and demanded a vote on it. Then, if Boehner and DeMint held strong, put out a press release stating that the GOP feels their own "Obama Is Bad"-fest is more important than a jobs bill proposal. Perhaps even twisted the knife by asking when the GOP intends to put forth its own jobs bill.
92 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:05:11pm |
re: #83 simoom
More like respect for the Office of the Presidency is getting it's "ass kicked by the GOP," in one unprecedented action after another.
yup, BO is not enough, now they attack the presidency itself...
we alluded to this earlier...America is sinking and I wonder how the donks will react when the tide turns....the GOP is pushing the parameters out to an unhealthy place
93 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:06:37pm |
re: #88 Obdicut
They didn't. I hope some people actually watch them now, to see what the fuss is all about, and see the GOP blathering like the lunatics they are.
it's a media thing...the MSM rules
94 | Linden Arden Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:06:40pm |
95 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:08:17pm |
re: #80 Atlas Fails
Unfortunately, the GOP are acting like petulant children yet again. When major players in the Senate like DeMint threaten to boycott what's supposed to be bipartisan session on job creation, there aren't a whole lot of options.
They blew it..All they had to do is hold the debate right after the Speech at 9pm.. Talk about political fireworks..A classic night...
Who is running the show over there anyway? And Obama..Who is running the show over there? What effen staffer picked that date and time? You didn't rise in Chicago politics making rookie mistakes...Your different staffs have made blunders for a couple of years now.....Hire more Pro's ..
96 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:09:25pm |
This dueling events thing seems to be catching on.
FreedomWorks to protest Romney
FreedomWorks, which had been participating in the Tea Party Express’s tour and had helped turn out activists at rallies during prior stops, decided it could no longer be affiliated with the tour, said Brendan Steinhauser, a lead organizer for FreedomWorks.Instead, it began working with local New Hampshire tea party groups to organize a counter rally set for about the same time in the same park in Concord as Romney’s speech.
98 | Atlas Fails Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:10:16pm |
re: #92 albusteve
yup, BO is not enough, now they attack the presidency itself...
we alluded to this earlier...America is sinking and I wonder how the donks will react when the tide turns...the GOP is pushing the parameters out to an unhealthy place
I hope any Democratic Congress would treat a Republican POTUS with more respect than the baggers have given Obama, but all the festering resentment toward the Republican party on the left due to their treatment of Obama doesn't bode well for the future of civil discourse.
99 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:11:47pm |
re: #98 Atlas Fails
I hope any Democratic Congress would treat a Republican POTUS with more respect than the baggers have given Obama, but all the festering resentment toward the Republican party on the left due to their treatment of Obama doesn't bode well for the future of civil discourse.
they will grit their teeth and do it...they have to, otherwise, whats the difference?
100 | 3CPO Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:12:00pm |
Aren't these guys supposed to be in Congress doing their jobs? Saying "I can't show up because I have to go to the debate" is like saying "I can't come in to work today because I have to go to an interview for another job."
101 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:13:01pm |
re: #100 3CPO
Aren't these guys supposed to be in Congress doing their jobs? Saying "I can't show up because I have to go to the debate" is like saying "I can't come in to work today because I have to go to an interview for another job."
a major peeve of mine....congress is an entirely elitist organization
103 | albusteve Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:16:34pm |
congress makes it's own rules...the highest of the mighty...when to work, what to do, how much they make....exactly like the Mafia only entirely legal...best job in the world
104 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:18:39pm |
re: #103 albusteve
congress makes it's own rules...the highest of the mighty...when to work, what to do, how much they make...exactly like the Mafia only entirely legal...best job in the world
You can have it. I'll take CEO of Exxon.
105 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:19:48pm |
re: #103 albusteve
congress makes it's own rules...the highest of the mighty...when to work, what to do, how much they make...exactly like the Mafia only entirely legal...best job in the world
Terms are only for 2 years..Generally..I use that word lightly..We can vote the bums out...
106 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:21:28pm |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
Just another victory for the Modern GOP.
One too easily gained. Note to Obama-Make them work for it.
107 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:21:54pm |
108 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:13pm |
re: #105 HoosierHoops
Terms are only for 2 years..Generally..I use that word lightly..We can vote the bums out...
Everybody in Congress is an asshole, of course, with the exception of my Congressman; (s)he's swell. Brings me pork; juicy, fat pork.
-America
109 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:30pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
One too easily gained. Note to Obama-Make them work for it.
Yeah, how many times do they have to slap him in the face before he fights back?
110 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:22:40pm |
re: #99 albusteve
they will grit their teeth and do it...they have to, otherwise, whats the difference?
Right. As a party that advocates for an active / effective government, you're only working against yourself when you feed into the public perception of government dysfunction.
111 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:23:23pm |
re: #109 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, how many times do they have to slap him in the face before he fights back?
What would he do, though?
112 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:23:37pm |
113 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:24:46pm |
114 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:25:06pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
What would he do, though?
Show up unexpectedly at the GOP debate, carrying his own podium up on stage, and crash the party? ;-P
115 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:26:46pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
What would he do, though?
As I said up above, press the issue. They say they'll block any vote on the matter, then call their bluff. They say they won't hold a vote, then demand clarification as to why. Don't stop until you have them on record saying they feel that their own party's presidential debate is important enough to publicly snub the president's request to address a joint session.
116 | prairiefire Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:14pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
What would he do, though?
I fail to see this situation as any type of "smackdown". Polite is polite. Will Obama be able to address the country from his position as President of The United States. Yes! Cuz Obama is The President Of The United States.
117 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:42pm |
re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
But that's not what they claimed. They said that there's other congressional business.
And I doubt it's a bluff that they'd block the vote. Why do you think it's a bluff?
118 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:29:49pm |
My dream scenario: CBS, NBC and ABC break to a shot of Obama, right now, on the empty house floor.
Obama: "Fuck it! We'll do it live!"
119 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:32:57pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
But that's not what they claimed. They said that there's other congressional business.
What other business? Is there debate scheduled on a bill of great importance? Or a vote on such a bill? If neither, what is standing in the way of holding a vote on a joint session?
And I doubt it's a bluff that they'd block the vote. Why do you think it's a bluff?
If it's real, then let it happen. Make DeMint and any that choose to join him in opposition be recognized for their actions, rather than bowing to what may amount to nothing more than empty threats.
120 | 3CPO Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:08pm |
They've been off for a month. Couldn't they have held the debate during the recess? No, they have to schedule it on a work day.
121 | blueraven Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:10pm |
re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As I said up above, press the issue. They say they'll block any vote on the matter, then call their bluff. They say they won't hold a vote, then demand clarification as to why. Don't stop until you have them on record saying they feel that their own party's presidential debate is important enough to publicly snub the president's request to address a joint session.
Maybe its just not that big of a deal. I dont think anyone wants to see a federal case made of this, especially after the debt ceiling fight. What good would it do?
The GOP are being assholes...nothing to see. Move on.
122 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:33pm |
re: #28 Alouette
WTF?
My son received an email from "Capital One" (the loansharking credit card company) saying they will sue him for libel and defamation if he calls them "a scam" on Facebook and Twitter.
What's in your wallet?
Lawyers. Lots and lots of lawyers.
-Capital One
123 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:35:56pm |
re: #119 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What other business? Is there debate scheduled on a bill of great importance? Or a vote on such a bill? If neither, what is standing in the way of holding a vote on a joint session?
Maybe a post office naming? ///
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
“As the majority leader announced more than a month ago, the House will not be in session until Wednesday, Sept. 7, with votes at 6:30 that evening,” Mr. Boehner wrote. “With the significant amount of time, typically more than three hours, that is required to allow for a security sweep of the House chamber before receiving a president, it is my recommendation that your address be held on the following evening, when we can ensure there will be no parliamentary or logistical impediments that might detract from your remarks.”
Mr. Boehner did not specify what votes were scheduled for 6:30 that evening that could not be moved. The House calendar shows that members are expected to vote on the “suspension calendar,” generally minor bills like naming a post office.
Congressional historians said Mr. Boehner’s move was unprecedented.
“The Senate Historical Office knows of no instance in which Congress refused the president permission to speak before a joint session of Congress,” Betty K. Koed, associate historian with the Senate, said in an e-mail. “Permission to speak in a joint session is given by resolution of the House and Senate, and arrangements are made through the leadership offices of each chamber.”
124 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:37:59pm |
Obama's relationship with the GOP looks more and more to me like a jaded husband and wife.
Yes dear. Whatever you say dear...
125 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:38:03pm |
re: #121 blueraven
Maybe its just not that big of a deal. I dont think anyone wants to see a federal case made of this, especially after the debt ceiling fight. What good would it do?
The GOP are being assholes...nothing to see. Move on.
The GOP are being assholes because they're getting away with it. They keep stamping their foot down, screaming "No! No!" and, like some new-age parent, Obama keeps trying to bargain with them.
126 | Gus Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:38:52pm |
re: #96 jaunte
This dueling events thing seems to be catching on.
Excellent. So much for Reagan's "11th Commandment" huh?
127 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:39:36pm |
re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I was real "new age" with my kids.
Oh. I mean medieval.
128 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:40:41pm |
perhaps boehner's political advisors told him that he didn't look petty and partisan enough yet
129 | blueraven Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:40:47pm |
re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The GOP are being assholes because they're getting away with it. They keep stamping their foot down, screaming "No! No!" and, like some new-age parent, Obama keeps trying to bargain with them.
Hence, they keep at it, revealing their true agenda and looking more and more petty by the day.
130 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:41:39pm |
re: #121 blueraven
Maybe its just not that big of a deal. I dont think anyone wants to see a federal case made of this, especially after the debt ceiling fight.
I imagine that had a lot to do with the quick resolution. The last thing the President needs is another pointless & protracted partisan food fight on the eve of his jobs address. The last one hit consumer confidence and the economy like freight train:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
New data suggest that the bitter debate in Washington over raising the debt ceiling not only drove the United States to the edge of default and cost the nation its triple-A credit rating, but crushed American confidence like few recent events and may well help tip the economy back toward recession.
The Conference Board this week reported the biggest monthly decline in consumer confidence since the height of the financial crisis in 2008, its consumer confidence index falling from a reading of 59.2 to 44.5, the lowest in two years.
...
“The debt ceiling negotiation is an extremely significant event that is profoundly and sharply reshaping views of the economy and the federal government,” Republican pollster Bill McInturff wrote in a presentation of survey work he has done recently that suggests the debt ceiling debate has led to a significant shift in public opinion.
...
McInturff said the result has been “a scary erosion in confidence” in both the economy and the government “at a time when this steep drop in confidence can be least afforded. … ”
131 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:44:03pm |
re: #129 blueraven
Hence, they keep at it, revealing their true agenda and looking more and more petty by the day.
And what do most folks see? Headlines that read "Obama bows to Boehner." Then they yawn and flip to the sports page.
132 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:44:29pm |
re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I don't get what difference making them take a vote on this would actually have. It's clearly them that's responsible for this; they denied the president the address of congress. I don't think anyone would be confused about it.
Of all the battles to fight, why on earth this one?
I think, in retrospect, the GOP was actually ready to let the government default. I think we dodged a bullet.
As much as you or I might want a firebrand-wielding Obama to scream obscenities at the GOP, I've gotta wonder what good it would actually do.
To me, the GOP is a lot more like a bully who wants to get the prize pupil to actually fight, so that he can get him in trouble too.
133 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:45:24pm |
thinkprogress:
Now that Obama's speech is moved, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Herman Cain can address the nation's pressing issues as scheduled.
134 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:46:56pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
I don't get what difference making them take a vote on this would actually have. It's clearly them that's responsible for this; they denied the president the address of congress. I don't think anyone would be confused about it.
Of all the battles to fight, why on earth this one?
I think, in retrospect, the GOP was actually ready to let the government default. I think we dodged a bullet.
As much as you or I might want a firebrand-wielding Obama to scream obscenities at the GOP, I've gotta wonder what good it would actually do.
To me, the GOP is a lot more like a bully who wants to get the prize pupil to actually fight, so that he can get him in trouble too.
Yeah, I met a lot of bullies like that, going to school. You know what happens when you keep ignoring the bully? They ratchet things up, until you finally snap at the most importune time, making things all the worse.
135 | blueraven Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:46:59pm |
re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And what do most folks see? Headlines that read "Obama bows to Boehner." Then they yawn and flip to the sports page.
Sounds like a media problem to me. Look, you have to pick your battles and this is not a big one. It would serve no purpose to drag this out.
136 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:47:30pm |
re: #135 blueraven
Sounds like a media problem to me. Look, you have to pick your battles and this is not a big one. It would serve no purpose to drag this out.
First you have to pick a battle. So far, I've not seen Obama do that. Have you?
137 | blueraven Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:49:23pm |
re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
First you have to pick a battle. So far, I've not seen Obama do that. Have you?
He wins the important ones...like the election, the health care reform, DADT, Osama...
138 | Gus Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:50:57pm |
Welp. Some mouse just got himself in the jaws of el gato. Ran off with it. Gave chase but I said screw it. Let's see. That makes for two lizards (small), one baby bird, and two mice. Last mouse was kind of big -- she dropped it off in the front of the house just now. Those are the ones I know about.
139 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:51:00pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
What would he do, though?
Simply sticking to his schedule would have been fine. In any case he needs to have the instinct (or a sharp senior aide should) to pick a place or two to hold the line. We have seen this time and time again in the usual back and forth in DC.
140 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:53:30pm |
re: #138 Gus 802
Predator Vs Prey. AKA Pray for the prey!
141 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:54:13pm |
Sometimes the President's like Eddie Izzards version of the Church of England.
YOU, cake or death?
Um... death please. No, not death, cake cake cake!!!
Ah ha! You said death first!
No, I meant cake!!!!!!!!
Oh all right. You're lucky i'm church of England!
142 | simoom Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:54:58pm |
re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
First you have to pick a battle. So far, I've not seen Obama do that. Have you?
DADT, Libya UN Resolution & Intervention, stopping defending DOMA in court, establishing the CPFB, extended federal employee benefits to same-sex couples, etc? Hell, the HCR battle was extremely protracted and bloody, passing by the slimmest of margins.
143 | Gus Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:55:02pm |
re: #140 Rightwingconspirator
Predator Vs Prey. AKA Pray for the prey!
Maybe I should call her "The Exterminator." Those mice get in the house.
144 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:55:20pm |
re: #134 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, I met a lot of bullies like that, going to school. You know what happens when you keep ignoring the bully? They ratchet things up, until you finally snap at the most importune time, making things all the worse.
Maybe so. Maybe Obama is just gonna go all "No, FUCK YOU" one day.
The GOP is broken. They are broken, and they are breaking the government. They are turning everything into a no-holds-barred fight. And they were voted into office. The only way to deal with them is to vote them out of office. Obama can't do that. We have to do that. He can show them as petty, stupid, and vain, and he has, actually done so on a number of occasions. He thrashed their asses in that impromptu question-and-answer session. Didn't seem to matter.
145 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:56:02pm |
No matter what day the speech is, Obama remains a 9 to 3 favorite to repeat.
Allan Lichtman, the American University professor whose election formula has correctly called every president since Ronald Reagan’s 1984 re-election, has a belated birthday present for Barack Obama: Rest easy, your re-election is in the bag.
...
Lichtman developed his 13 Keys in 1981. They test the performance of the party that holds the presidency. If six or more of the 13 keys go against the party in power, then the opposing party wins.“The keys have figured into popular politics a bit,” Lichtman says. “They’ve never missed. They’ve been right seven elections in a row.
[Link: www.usnews.com...]
146 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 7:56:54pm |
re: #139 Rightwingconspirator
I'm glad gays can serve in the military now. I think Obama has picked quite a few battles well. It's hard to spot, of course, since the GOP makes what sandwiches to order into a battle.
The fault is not with Obama.
147 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:01:39pm |
re: #144 Obdicut
Obama can help show why we need to vote them out. Or a strong delegate. In a way he needs Rahm.
148 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:02:31pm |
Alaska woman punches bear, saves dachshund.
[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
149 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:04:02pm |
re: #142 simoom
DADT, Libya UN Resolution & Intervention, stopping defending DOMA in court, establishing the CPFB, extended federal employee benefits to same-sex couples, etc? Hell, the HCR battle was extremely protracted and bloody, passing by the slimmest of margins.
Of those those examples, I can really only see DADT, CFPB, and the HCR/ACA as being battles he'd fought with the GOP. And the first passed on the votes of lame duck Democrats, the second remains without a director because the GOP refuses to hold a vote, and the last was so watered-down by efforts to appease GOP opposition that it may have done more damage that good.
150 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:04:39pm |
re: #147 Rightwingconspirator
I don't see how he's failing to do this, though. He's talked a lot. He's said some strong shit. He called Ryan's plan a fantasy, which it was. Little attention seems to be paid.
I have no idea where this idea that if Obama would just talk tough the GOP would somehow be less offensive came from, but I think it's ass-backwards. The GOP wants Obama to be scrapping and sniping like they do, trading insults. They want to take away the dignity and forbearance that he's got. I see no reason why he should let them.
How was his smackdown of the Ryan plan not what you're asking for?
151 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:05:38pm |
re: #64 simoom
Whether Obama "caved" or not will be overshadowed by how the GOP markets this as the fact that they forced the President to play on their terms.
152 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:06:32pm |
re: #58 albusteve
nobody likes the Doors...
for you then
Roadhouse Blues[Video]
U callin me a nobody?
153 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:07:10pm |
re: #151 freetoken
And if he didn't and they blocked the vote, they'd crow about that.
And if he didn't, and they held the vote and voted against it, they'd crow about that.
Whatever end result, the GOP crows about it as a victory.
154 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:08:11pm |
re: #144 Obdicut
Maybe so. Maybe Obama is just gonna go all "No, FUCK YOU" one day.
The GOP is broken. They are broken, and they are breaking the government. They are turning everything into a no-holds-barred fight. And they were voted into office. The only way to deal with them is to vote them out of office. Obama can't do that. We have to do that. He can show them as petty, stupid, and vain, and he has, actually done so on a number of occasions. He thrashed their asses in that impromptu question-and-answer session. Didn't seem to matter.
Who's this "we" you expect to vote them out? All I see is me and thee, and neither of us (AFAIK) voted the bastards into office in the first place. Yeah, the GOP's approval ratings have tanked, but so have the Democrats. Average Joe Sixpack is coming to the conclusion that both parties are a bunch of assholes and deciding that the only solution is to "vote the bums out." That doesn't fix the problem, is just exacerbates it.
156 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:09:32pm |
re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So your solution is to force the GOP to use some senate procedure to block a vote on having him give an address? That's what'll really grab joe six-pack's attention?
158 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:10:13pm |
re: #148 jaunte
Alaska woman punches bear, saves dachshund.
[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
Thank dog. It would have been horrible had she had to punch the dog to save the bear.
159 | Interesting Times Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:10:28pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Whatever end result, the GOP crows about it as a victory.
I fear too many American voters, thoroughly conditioned by trash TV and punditry, have no respect for "dignity and forbearance", seeing it instead as being wimpy and weak. The system is geared to reward loud, obnoxious, aggressive bullies.*
*If you can think of exceptions, please do list them - I could use the pick-me-up :/
160 | dell*nix Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:10:41pm |
Vidio on Bachmann's memior from local Houston Station.
[Link: www.39online.com...]
Just a bit of snark.
161 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:11:47pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
So your solution is to force the GOP to use some senate procedure to block a vote on having him give an address? That's what'll really grab joe six-pack's attention?
My solution is to make the effort. Instead, now we've got headlines that read "Obama bows to Boehner," with said Speaker being quoted as being "glad" that the White House was willing to work with them. And, then to compound it, we'll see the angry responses on Sept 9th to Obama's speech preempting the start of the NFL season. Or a page A14 blurb that the speech happened, because nobody tuned into the channels it was actually on.
162 | prairiefire Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:12:08pm |
This minutia of politics is relevant to lizards. However, it is not relevant to approximately 40% of the voting electorate.
163 | Political Atheist Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:13:15pm |
re: #150 Obdicut
Okay you just asked me why one of the rare occasions when did he what I suggest was inadequate. So I have no direct answer to that exactly.
My point is that does not happen often enough. Not that it should be every day. But the schedule against the debate was fine. Sorry to see that change, as I said above.
164 | Gus Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:13:44pm |
re: #157 freetoken
PERRY'S NOT A TRUE TEAHADI!!!
Rick Perry: stealth liberal and stealth Jihadist! He's everything rolled into one.
165 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:14:54pm |
re: #161 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm unsure what Obama can do about biased media headlines. If he made a big deal about it, the headline could be "Obama tries to bully congress". That's not within his power to control.
166 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:16:26pm |
Goodnight lizards. I'm going to go fondle my guitar for a while, then my wife.
167 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:17:31pm |
re: #166 b_sharp
Goodnight lizards. I'm going to go fondle my guitar for a while, then my wife.
Then your wife what?
/
I'm going to bed too. I feel like crap and have no clue why. I think middle-age is reaching out to me.
168 | Targetpractice Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:18:42pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
I'm unsure what Obama can do about biased media headlines. If he made a big deal about it, the headline could be "Obama tries to bully congress". That's not within his power to control.
What's within his power to control are his own actions. Making the effort and getting lumps from the media is better than doing nothing and getting called on it by the same media.
In either case, this is a discussion for another day. Sleep well.
169 | teleskiguy Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:19:10pm |
Considering how truly bizarre this video is, I have to admit it is oddly moving.
:-)
171 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:21:57pm |
Former GOP Senator Chuck Hagel: Republican Party Has ‘An Astounding Lack Of Responsible Leadership’
Former GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE) can’t muster any praise for his Republican colleagues’ behavior in Congress over the past few months. In an interview with the Financial Times, Hagel blasted GOP leadership for their “irresponsible actions” during the debt ceiling debacle, noting that “I think about some of the presidents we’ve had on my side of the aisle — Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., go right through them, Eisenhower — they would be stunned.”
2:05 video at link
172 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:24:01pm |
Well that was a good game.. Bears vs. Titans
15 minutes till Leno and there is nothing on.. So I'm watching Tin Cup.. A sports movie I have only seen a million times...I know every line..:)
174 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:45:16pm |
Look at how the AP/Yahoo editor wrote this lead:
Obama yields to Boehner's Sept. 8 speech timing
So Obama yields to Boehner.
Boehner iz da man!
175 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:51:05pm |
re: #174 freetoken
Look at how the AP/Yahoo editor wrote this lead:
Obama yields to Boehner's Sept. 8 speech timing
So Obama yields to Boehner.
Boehner iz da man!
Baraksama g0t beat DOwn, iz puSSe! PUt hIm in hiiz plaase.
It's impossible to consider Obama was being reasonable and gracious giving Boehner the time and truly negotiating.
176 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:55:38pm |
re: #175 BigPapa
For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.
And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?
177 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:01:52pm |
The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".
I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.
All snark aside? I think he's being polite.
There's nothing wrong with polite.
178 | Interesting Times Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:01:56pm |
re: #176 freetoken
For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.
And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?
True. As I said above, too many Americans have far more respect and admiration for a bully who's wrong than a "nice person" who's right.
179 | Four More Tears Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:03:36pm |
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".
I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.
All snark aside? I think he's being polite.
There's nothing wrong with polite.
I'll bet that he still gets more viewers than the debate.
180 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:08:15pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Anti-Perry ad from Bachmann PAC
[Video]
bwahahaha... let 'em chew each other up
and the best part? the ad is by an organization called "keep conservatives united"!
181 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:10:20pm |
182 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:13:10pm |
re: #176 freetoken
For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.
And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".
I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.
All snark aside? I think he's being polite.
There's nothing wrong with polite.
Well I'm the sort of person who is unimpressed by alpha males. They tend to really despise me, too, so whatevz.
Personal stuff aside, I agree more with FBV. It takes a real man to be polite, risk "looking weak", and not give a damn what people think about it. Those kind of men just aren't cowed by what others think of them, which in itself is an alpha male trait to admire.
The other kind just comes across like someone with something to prove, though in real life, there are more options than alpha/beta etc.
183 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:14:32pm |
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".
I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.
All snark aside? I think he's being polite.
There's nothing wrong with polite.
Agreed. For him to speak during the debate would be to deliberately slap the Republican candidates in the face while not gaining an advantage from so slapping. He did the classy thing and rescheduled.
184 | darthstar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:15:20pm |
Well, I turned in the X5 today and came home with a station wagon. It'll take some getting used to, driving a smaller car again, but it did drive well and the navigation system was only off by two minutes on its estimate for getting me home...I think my wife will like having a built-in navigation system that's voice activated. We'll have to see how it handles in the snow...and if she likes being in a smaller car in the snow too...if not, I'll dump the Z and get a used Tahoe so she can feel big again on the road.
185 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:16:46pm |
re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's got stiffer competition than the GOP on Thursday night.
Packers/Saints.
True that. That's a fairly big game, for the preseason. I'd have to favor Green Bay, though I'd love it if Drew Brees smacks the Cheeseheads for a loss.
186 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:16:53pm |
re: #184 darthstar
What kind didja get?
187 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:22:40pm |
Not sure if this has been posted downstairs yet, but...
Palin back on for Iowa Tea Party event
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) will speak after all at an Iowa Tea Party event this Saturday, after two days of turmoil in which she put her plans for the event “on hold” because of an invitation that was twice extended, and twice rescinded, to former Delaware Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell (R).
Tea Party of America founder Ken Crow confirmed to The Hill that Palin will indeed speak at the event. He said Palin’s hesitation had come because of The Wall Street Journal’s reporting on the back-and-forth between Palin and his group.
Showbiz...no biz like it; it must go on.
189 | jaunte Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:26:58pm |
re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
One more thrash before slipping down the polls into Ron Paul/Herman Cain 1% territory.
190 | darthstar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:32:36pm |
re: #186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What kind didja get?
I got the 328i xDrive wagon. We wanted all wheel drive, and we wanted out of our old lease, so it was either pay 6K to turn it in (we went way over on miles) and then have to pay 4-5k down on a new car, or trade it in and save about 6k...and the payments are 300 a month less than we had before, which is nice.
191 | darthstar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:32:59pm |
re: #188 Stanley Sea
You are gonna miss the BMW bud.
I didn't get out of BMW...I just went down a size.
192 | darthstar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:34:23pm |
re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not sure if this has been posted downstairs yet, but...
Palin back on for Iowa Tea Party event
Showbiz...no biz like it; it must go on.
She's not going to give up on getting the attention.
193 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:35:16pm |
re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not sure if this has been posted downstairs yet, but...
Palin back on for Iowa Tea Party event
Showbiz...no biz like it; it must go on.
There's no people, like show people,
They smile when they are low!How I wish the folks at could only see,
What's come to Sarah, how proud they be!
Gettin' paid for DERPing, which comes naturally,
Let's go, on with the show!
Let's go, ON WITH THE SHOW!
I was the spotlight guy for my high school's production of Annie, Get Your Gun.
194 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:35:29pm |
re: #189 jaunte
One more thrash before slipping down the polls into Ron Paul/Herman Cain 1% territory.
Alas, all I have left for her is worn out clichés: the taller they are...
195 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:38:08pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
I was the spotlight guy for my high school's production of Annie, Get Your Gun.
rotfl:
How I wish the folks at could only see,
What's come to Sarah, how proud they be!
Gettin' paid for DERPing, which comes naturally,
Let's go, on with the show!
Let's go, ON WITH THE SHOW!
Hey any man who knows his showtunes is alright by me. Now see, Cagney...that is my kind of alpha male! Do you like classic movies?
196 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:39:04pm |
197 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:39:36pm |
re: #195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
rotfl:
How I wish the folks at could only see,
What's come to Sarah, how proud they be!
Gettin' paid for DERPing, which comes naturally,
Let's go, on with the show!
Let's go, ON WITH THE SHOW!Hey any man who knows his showtunes is alright by me. Now see, Cagney...that is my kind of alpha male! Do you like classic movies?
Sadly, I'm not familiar with Cagne's work. I know who he was, but I haven't seen his movies.
198 | laZardo Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:41:28pm |
Welp. Applied for WA State welfare. Nothing I'm ashamed about, my only real fear being an oncoming Republican administration. D:
199 | freetoken Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:43:08pm |
200 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:47:26pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, I'm not familiar with Cagne's work. I know who he was, but I haven't seen his movies.
I just love him. Incredible actor....biggest, toughest gangster around in the 30s, but he was really a song-and-dance man. He could tap his little bottom off... He got the Best Acting Oscar for it in 1943 for Yankee Doodle Dandy (the George M. Cohen biopic.) Check him out if you get a chance.
Oh btw, meant to tell you weeks ago, the rental store does not have Burn Notice ! I was surprised, since the one I go to has a really extensive TV section. Ah well, I'll find a way to see it.
201 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:49:42pm |
202 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:54:10pm |
re: #199 freetoken
[Video]
And the motherlode...
Lol so awesome. Look at perfect Mitzi Gaynor, and Marilyn...love her .
203 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:58:27pm |
re: #200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I just love him. Incredible actor...biggest, toughest gangster around in the 30s, but he was really a song-and-dance man. He could tap his little bottom off... He got the Best Acting Oscar for it in 1943 for Yankee Doodle Dandy (the George M. Cohen biopic.) Check him out if you get a chance.
Oh btw, meant to tell you weeks ago, the rental store does not have Burn Notice ! I was surprised, since the one I go to has a really extensive TV section. Ah well, I'll find a way to see it.
You'll like it. I wish I could send you the episodes I've recorded, because it's that good.
204 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:28:35pm |
205 | Bubblehead II Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:33:47pm |
206 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:52:17pm |
Where is everybody?
I feel all alone here.
:(
208 | Kragar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:57:36pm |
209 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:20pm |
210 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 10:59:30pm |
212 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:01:53pm |
213 | Varek Raith Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:11:11pm |
re: #204 ggt
More baby kittehs!
This one is sooo cute.
How is everyone?
Good.
Rerererererere~reading Jurassic Park.
214 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:13:29pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Good.
Rerererererere~reading Jurassic Park.
So, you like Jurassic Park--the Book?
I'm still trying to get thru Robert Grave's Claudius the God.
I haven't much time the past few weeks.
215 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:16:00pm |
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The previous thread's title is "Obama Schedules Congressional Address During GOP Debate".
I think it is appropriate that he reschedule. Not a sign of weakness at all on his part.
All snark aside? I think he's being polite.
There's nothing wrong with polite.
Frankly, I don't think he should. POTUS beats GOP wannabes.
217 | Kragar Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:21:27pm |
re: #214 ggt
So, you like Jurassic Park--the Book?
I'm still trying to get thru Robert Grave's Claudius the God.
I haven't much time the past few weeks.
Going to try rereading David Brin's Uplift series.
218 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:46:16am |
I remember a quote from Michael Chrichton when he was working on "Jurassic Park":
Someone asked him what he was writing, to which he replied, "The moyt expensive movie ever made!"
219 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:27:16am |
"most expensive"
two minutes is not enough time to make coffee and re-read your precaffienated post...
220 | Guanxi88 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:39:20am |
re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Going to try rereading David Brin's Uplift series.
Re-reading the Hobbes translation of Thucydides. yeah, I live rather largely.
And how the hell is everyone?
221 | simoom Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:40:03am |
From the WH flickr feed:
Image: 6047293325_0c6a1f80ed_b.jpg
President Barack Obama talks with Andrew Kline, outgoing Chief of Staff, Office of Intellectual Property Enforcement, in the Oval Office, July 12, 2011. Kline’s daughter, Logan, sits atop the Resolute Desk. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
Reminded me of a much older Resolute Desk photo:
Image: article-1210746-0644c5db000005dc-244_634x730.jpg
222 | Guanxi88 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:42:20am |
ya know, try though I may, i haven't been able to consume enough of the good stuff to assuage or palliate the agony caused by Oxford University's capitulation to the forces of darkness and its surrender of the Oxford Comma.
I am depressed, outraged, and heart-sick.
224 | Guanxi88 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:53:14am |
So, I've been touring the bottom shelves of the local liquor stores. There are some very surprising offerings there. Going through the bourbons just now, and recommend, without hesitation or reservation, Old Crow for those who indulge. It's perfect in a mixed drink - the way most folk have their corn-squeezin's - and is, believe it or not, almost palatable on its own, provided it's served on the rocks and has the chance to breathe a bit before you pour it.
225 | Guanxi88 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:56:23am |
Spend a buck more, and get JTS Brown bourbon - perfectly sippable, straight up or on the rocks.
Old Grandad - a wonderful treat. About 10 bucks a liter - simply delightful.
As time passes, one comes to appreciate that price is seldom an indicator of quality or value (except, of course, with wine).
True of booze, and probably true of much else in this world.
229 | researchok Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:49:46am |
231 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:01:30am |
This is why I hate doing yard work.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
232 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:19:21am |
Morning Folks!
You guys missed all the fun about 3 hours ago. I woke up to a blood-curdling scream from my wife. I almost fell on the floor trying to get out of bed. I hear my wife yelling "drop it!". I'm half asleep wondering if I should grab the gun. Then I realize she's yelling at the dog. My wife had let her out and she tried to come back inside with a 'possum she had caught. It looked like a 5lb rat which completely freaked out my wife. I think I'm going to need a nap later.
233 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:24:55am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Morning Folks!
You guys missed all the fun about 3 hours ago. I woke up to a blood-curdling scream from my wife. I almost fell on the floor trying to get out of bed. I hear my wife yelling "drop it!". I'm half asleep wondering if I should grab the gun. Then I realize she's yelling at the dog. My wife had let her out and she tried to come back inside with a 'possum she had caught. It looked like a 5lb rat which completely freaked out my wife. I think I'm going to need a nap later.
Next time grab the gun, shoot randomly until the clip is empty, then ask, "What"?
///
234 | Obdicut Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:55:51am |
Score 1 for transparency in government:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
A bid by California newspapers to see legislators' budget records received a big boost from a new federal ruling that gives broad scope to records subject to the Freedom of Information Act, a federal law that bears many similarities to California's law on open government.
In a petition filed earlier this month at the Sacramento County Superior Courthouse, the Los Angeles Times, La Canada Valley Sun and the Sacramento Bee newspapers requested documentation of California legislators' budget allowances, spending and expenditures under the state's Legislative Open Records Act.
The Legislature has rebuffed the demand, claiming that the requested documents are protected -- a similar argument lobbed, unsuccessfully, by the Secret Service while opposing a government watchdog's attempt to look at White House visitor logs.
U.S. District Judge Beryl A. Howell, who was nominated to the bench by President Barack Obama in 2010, rejected these arguments on Aug. 17 and ordered the Secret Service to turn its records over to Judicial Watch.
Holwell disagreed that the logs were protected presidential records and said she was "skeptical" that the releasing the documents would undermine the separation of powers. If certain documents pose a threat to confidential presidential communications, the Secret Service has recourse through exemptions written into the FOIA, the judge explained.
In California, the newspapers' joint filing follows a series of stories about Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge, who became embroiled in an ongoing feud with Assembly Speaker John A. Pérez, D-Los Angeles, earlier this summer.
Specifically, the two are at loggerheads over Pérez's characterization of Portantino as a free spender and his subsequent decision to slash Portantino's budget.
Portantino flatly denied Pérez's assertions and has said the dramatic reduction in his budget has impaired his ability to serve constituents. He countered with a demand for the current spending records of all 80 members of the lower house, but Assembly administrators refused.
As the dispute grew, three different reporters filed requests for the relevant records: copies of each assembly member's annual allowance; a budget summary for budget years 2010 and 2011; each member's total budget allowance for budget year 2010; each member's expenses for budget year 2010; each member's total budget allowance for budget year 2011; and each member's estimated expenditures for budget year 2011.
But Lynda Roper, deputy administrative officer for the Legislature, allegedly told each reporter that the information was exempt from public disclosure under a provision of the California state code that protects "preliminary drafts, notes, or legislative memoranda" and another that applies to correspondence between individual members of the Legislature and their staff.
In two of the cases, she also demurred on the grounds that at least some of the records - those reflecting the most recent budgets and expenditures - "were not available," the newspapers added.
235 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:01:21am |
Alligator jumps out of canal, attacks 90-year-old woman
FWC says a trapper was sent to the area to find the alligator. If found, the reptile will be cut open in an attempt to retrieve and reattach the leg.
[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]
236 | sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:01:42am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Morning Folks!
You guys missed all the fun about 3 hours ago. I woke up to a blood-curdling scream from my wife. I almost fell on the floor trying to get out of bed. I hear my wife yelling "drop it!". I'm half asleep wondering if I should grab the gun. Then I realize she's yelling at the dog. My wife had let her out and she tried to come back inside with a 'possum she had caught. It looked like a 5lb rat which completely freaked out my wife. I think I'm going to need a nap later.
GOOGLE Possum recipes
A 5 pounder? You guys should be good for a week
BBQ Possum, possum gumbo, possum stew, possum tenders, possum,,,,,,
237 | sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:02:43am |
re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is why I hate doing yard work.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Maybe he decided to trip his eyebrows while doing the bushes!
238 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:05:16am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Be glad I wasn't at your house.
I'd be screaming like David Spade being hit with a stun gun.
239 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:07:35am |
You won $35 million from the Florida Lottery!! Now what? D'oh!
[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]
240 | Flounder Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:10:12am |
re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thats got the squeamish kick to the balls reaction, oowwiee!
241 | Flounder Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:11:17am |
re: #236 sattv4u2
Don't bother, possum/ woodchucks taste like dirt...
242 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:17:41am |
Good morning, Lizardia!
My new PC came with a piece of malware called "Trend Micro Security." What a horrible piece of shit this is, pretending to be a "virus scanning" program.
I am replacing it with McAfee as soon as I can, but I don't expect removal to TMS to be easy.
243 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:20:22am |
re: #242 Alouette
I did a trial version of Eset NOD32. As soon as I get a job, I'm buying it.
244 | The Questionable Timing of a Flea Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:25:47am |
re: #176 freetoken
For us tribal species, H. sapiens, leadership is about being the alpha male.
And it seems that Boehner is the alpha male, no?
Hm. True, but not in the way most people understand the construct of an "alpha male." Consider the following an extended metaphor for why I'm unimpressed with the current round of political territorial pissing:
Alphas aren't really leaders in any human sense: they're just individuals that have set themselves up in the hierarchical system to monopolize benefits: eating first, mating first. Maintenance of that position requires a campaign of intimidation and aggression against their in-group--attacking other males, forcing sex on females, and killing kids that aren't theirs. As ethologists have been able to continuously monitor primate groups, though, it's become clear that there is a cost-benefit ratio, and sometimes it's not worth the internal strife to have a particular alpha in place. An alpha that's all aggression and no social compromise can and will shatter a community.
245 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:32:09am |
re: #241 Shropshire_Slasher
Don't bother, possum/ woodchucks taste like dirt...
The dog seemed to like it but she'll eat anything. So far this year she's caught a bird, cat, one of those big bumblebees, rabbits, and the 'possum...not bad for an inside dog. The only thing left running around the neighborhood are raccoons but I haven't seen any in the last couple of years.
246 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:35:46am |
247 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 4:39:09am |
Ouch:
Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Economy Is Getting Worse, More Voters Say
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]
President Barack Obama's overall job approval rating has sunk to an all-time low, as American voters disapprove 52 - 42 percent, compared to 47 - 46 percent approval in July, and among whites and men his approval has dropped into the 30s, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Congressional leaders rate even lower in the public eye.
.....
Voters trust Obama more than congressional Republicans to handle the economy 44 - 41 percent, but they say 46 - 42 percent that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney would do a better job than Obama. They are split 43 - 41 percent on whether Obama or GOP candidate Rick Perry would be better on the economy.
...
From August 16 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,730 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 1.9 percentage points
248 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:03:02am |
Youth football game.
[Link: link.brightcove.com...]
249 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:04:40am |
re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar
Youth football game.
[Link: link.brightcove.com...]
Story.
[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]
250 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:04:49am |
re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar
That's one hell of a tackle at :38 sec
251 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:09:32am |
re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fuckin' parents.
252 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:10:34am |
re: #250 RogueOne
That's one hell of a tackle at :38 sec
Do you remember the guy for Iowa (I think) who punched the other teams guy and was suspended for the year a few years back? He plays for the Bucs now.
253 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:12:22am |
re: #250 RogueOne
That's one hell of a tackle at :38 sec
It was a very fit young man attacking an out of shape older referee.
Nothing good about that. I hope the fucker's thrown in jail.
And guess what? I don't give a fuck about context either. Attacked a helpless man. Jail.
254 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:13:01am |
Oh, and that entire program needs to be shut down.
Fuck 'em.
255 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:13:07am |
re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you remember the guy for Iowa (I think) who punched the other teams guy and was suspended for the year a few years back? He plays for the Bucs now.
Accidents happen.// I can understand players getting riled up in the heat of a game but to have coaches throwing water bottles and starting fights with the refs? That's crossing the line of good taste and sportsmanship.
256 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:14:18am |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, and that entire program needs to be shut down.
Fuck 'em.
FBV is bringing the ban hammer! I agree btw. The only way to teach them is to shut it down.
257 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:14:58am |
re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you remember the guy for Iowa (I think) who punched the other teams guy and was suspended for the year a few years back? He plays for the Bucs now.
I think Legarrette Blount played for Oregon. But here he is as a Buc.
259 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 1, 2011 5:37:58am |
Morning Lizardim. So the ladyfolk of the fish family are going absolutely bananas today, because they are officially allowed to redecorate for fall. I actually happen to be somewhat in agreement; fall is my favorite season of all. Cool weather, turning trees, apple cider, State Fair... Yes, it's a good time of year.
261 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:08:58am |
Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.
Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.
262 | iossarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:14:39am |
re: #261 Alouette
Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.
Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.
Rule 1 of corporate IT: never upgrade anything.
263 | Achilles Tang Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:16:25am |
re: #247 RogueOne
American voters disapprove 52 - 42 percent, compared to 47 - 46 percent approval in July
Why do they compare disapproval now with earlier approval?
Is this how reporters show they can add and subtract?
264 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:16:55am |
re: #259 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizardim. So the ladyfolk of the fish family are going absolutely bananas today, because they are officially allowed to redecorate for fall. I actually happen to be somewhat in agreement; fall is my favorite season of all. Cool weather, turning trees, apple cider, State Fair... Yes, it's a good time of year.
Just bought the new Fall plastic tablecloth yesterday. Also, Martha Stewart's Halloween special issue is available. There was a very cool electric portrait that switched from a photo of a Victorian woman to a skeleton, complete with a spooky "help, help me" voice. I think it would have scared my 8 year old too much, but my Goth daughter would love it.
265 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:20:24am |
re: #262 iossarian
Rule 1 of corporate IT: never upgrade anything.
My supervisor says to give the PC Renewal team VERY UNSATISFACTORY SCORES on the post-PC Renewal Satisfaction Survey.
Yeah, that'll show 'em.
266 | Obdicut Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:22:12am |
re: #265 Alouette
I had the opposite problem. I had a full Adobe suite, but I didn't actually need any of it. I told IT to uninstall it, partially because I hate the adobe updater and partially just to free up the license-- that's a huge amount of money.
In four years, they never got around to it.
267 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:24:20am |
So I'm looking through Twitter this morning and see this Tweet from Eric Boehlert:
@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
CNN poll the latest to suggest that Gallup's daily Obama tracking poll is the new outlier; [Link: bit.ly...]
"Outlier," I thought to myself. Those are somewhat serious charges -- almost implying some kind of hidden conspiracy on the part of Gallup. Gallup has Obama at 39% approval while CNN/ORC has Obama at 45% approval.
Here's the catch of sorts. Both polls have a margin of error is ±3 percentage points. If you add 3 percent to Gallup's 39 percent that equals 42 percent; and if you subtract 3 percent from CNN/ORC's 45 percent that also gives you 42 percent. The margin of error puts each poll on the same exact figure of 42 percent.
Gallup is not an outlier.
268 | iossarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:24:52am |
Lizard genome sequenced!
[Link: science.slashdot.org...]
My feeble brain can't come up with a witty LGF reference.
269 | MrSilverDragon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:25:39am |
re: #261 Alouette
Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.
Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.
Our "IT guy" had a habit of removing programs from my computer because he "didn't think they were necessary to the job", even though these were programs I used on a daily basis to do my job and complete my tasks. Also on occassion, after he "upgraded" my computer, it wouldn't work and would have to be completely wiped and reinstalled. I told the owner of the company that he had to supply me with a laptop, and that only I was allowed to maintain and upgrade it. Since I have to do offsite work on a regular basis, he agreed. Funny, ever since I got it, I've had absolutely no problems with a non-functioning computer, and I've been able to do my job with no issue.
270 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:27:11am |
re: #263 Naso Tang
Why do they compare disapproval now with earlier approval?
Is this how reporters show they can add and subtract?
It could be that or they're showing the trend from their last poll. Some of those numbers really pop out, like question #12:
12. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?
Ind: 40-54
Men: 39-56
White: 61-33
271 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:29:38am |
272 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:30:00am |
The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money culture
Howard Dean has long cultivated an image as the plainspoken doctor who speaks for the left wing of the Democratic Party, a role he still plays as a pugnacious pundit on TV. But since his term as chairman of the Democratic National Committee ended in January 2009, Dr. Dean has taken on a less-noticed role: paid advocate for interest groups that would find few fans among the progressive voters once energized by Dean's 2004 presidential bid.
Dean may not be the worst of the "buckrakers," those prototypical capital characters who exploit their name and connections without regard for principle. But his recent political forays seem to have diverged from his trailblazing left-liberal past.
As senior strategic advisor at McKenna Long & Aldridge, a heavyweight Washington lobbying firm, Dean played a prominent role representing the biotech industry during the healthcare bill debate, staking out a position on biopharmaceutical drugs that was decried by consumer groups.
...
Dean is also currently one of the most prominent paid voices in a public-relations campaign on behalf of the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), an obscure and controversial Iranian militant group that is aggressively lobbying the Obama administration to remove it from the official list of terrorist organizations.
...
The last group, MEK, is something that's they've been trying to hammer Romney and other Republicans on. Many people are questioning the inclusion of MEK as a terrorist organization. It's currently being taken under consideration.
273 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:30:51am |
re: #266 Obdicut
I had the opposite problem. I had a full Adobe suite, but I didn't actually need any of it. I told IT to uninstall it, partially because I hate the adobe updater and partially just to free up the license-- that's a huge amount of money.
In four years, they never got around to it.
I have Adobe 5.5 at home, waiting for IT to install Adobe 4. (On my other workstation, I had Adobe 3)
See, this is the reason recruiters don't want to hire long-term unemployed, they are afraid that you don't have access to the latest technological tools.
//
With Adobe 5.5 and a widescreen, I can have code view and design view open side-by-side. I realized how fucked up my design templates are. I am getting rid of all the javascript-driven rollovers and replacing them with CSS.
274 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:36:19am |
Apple employees drink too much:
Apple loses another unreleased iPhone (exclusive)
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
In a bizarre repeat of a high-profile incident last year, an Apple employee once again appears to have lost an unreleased iPhone in a bar, CNET has learned.
The errant iPhone, which went missing in San Francisco's Mission district in late July, sparked a scramble by Apple security to recover the device over the next few days, according to a source familiar with the investigation.
Last year, an iPhone 4 prototype was bought by a gadget blog that paid $5,000 in cash. This year's lost phone seems to have taken a more mundane path: it was taken from a Mexican restaurant and bar and may have been sold on Craigslist for $200. Still unclear are details about the device, what version of the iOS operating system it was running, and what it looks like.
275 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:37:06am |
re: #261 Alouette
Now it's been 48 hours since my PC (at work) was upgraded and I still do not have Adobe Web Premium installed on my workstation.
Got nothing to do except sit around and read LGF.
Quite a pleasant chore, eh?
276 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:37:57am |
re: #272 Gus 802
The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money cultureThe last group, MEK, is something that's they've been trying to hammer Romney and other Republicans on. Many people are questioning the inclusion of MEK as a terrorist organization. It's currently being taken under consideration.
I just saw that and started to page it.
277 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:38:30am |
re: #247 RogueOne
Ouch:
Obama Approval Hits All-Time Low, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Economy Is Getting Worse, More Voters Say
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]
Hey! There's that 42 percent again.
Yeah. It's the economy. And I don't know why they're going down this "jobs" route instead of the "economy" route. But that's a typical Democratic Party policy during recessions. The Republican Party seem to be using the "jobs" talking points as well. But they're both wrong. The key to creating jobs is fixing the economy. It's like a chicken and the egg and the economy is the egg. You can't have real jobs without a robust economy.
It's like Clinton said: it's the economy stupid.
278 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:39:06am |
re: #276 reine.de.tout
I just saw that and started to page it.
Go for it. I was thinking about making one but decided not to.
279 | Eventual Carrion Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:39:44am |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
Just another victory for the Modern GOP.
Yep, just like the tear stained smile on a whiny little fuckin' brats face when he finally gets what he has been whining like a little bitch about wanting.
280 | Achilles Tang Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:41:06am |
re: #268 iossarian
Lizard genome sequenced!
[Link: science.slashdot.org...]
My feeble brain can't come up with a witty LGF reference.
Now They can identify you anytime they want to.
281 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:42:40am |
re: #274 RogueOne
Apple employees drink too much:
Apple loses another unreleased iPhone (exclusive)
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
Yeah. Apple, the perfect company. Here's another story that caught my eye:
Apple defends itself after pollution allegations
Apple has defended its environmental record after allegations that some of its suppliers are polluting in China.
The technology giant said that it was committed to the highest standard of social responsibility.
The comments come after a report by Chinese environmental groups claimed a number of Apple manufacturers were discharging harmful pollutants.
...
But a company report released earlier this year found dozens of suppliers across the world were mishandling dangerous chemicals.
More than 100 workers were contaminated at one Chinese plant.
Environmental groups say China does not have sufficient rules in place to protect the environment and Apple is taking advantage of that.
It's a tough nut to crack because Apple has an excellent PR or propaganda machine and a following that's almost on par with Scientology.
282 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:46:27am |
Off to the gym, BBL. Someone start a fight so I have something amusing to come back to. Get on it!
283 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:48:49am |
284 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:49:58am |
re: #263 Naso Tang
Why do they compare disapproval now with earlier approval?
Is this how reporters show they can add and subtract?
My aunt from CT says all the East coast liberals are pissed at him for giving too much away on the debt ceiling fight. I don't see those folks voting for Perry, however. They will be energized to vote against Perry, or any R.
285 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:49:58am |
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Another Republican rebukes Cantor: Chris Christie demands hurricane aid w/o offsetting cuts [Link: t.co...]
286 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:50:32am |
Morning all!
How are the Lizards today?
287 | Achilles Tang Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:51:37am |
288 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:52:17am |
News from our "allies" in Bahrain:
Large Protest in Bahrain After Boy’s Death
By J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: September 1, 2011
Large crowds marched through a restive village near the capital of Bahrain on Thursday for the funeral of a 14-year-old boy killed during a protest against the government.
Photographs of the boy’s face — smiling before his death and caked in blood shortly after — covered the coffin as it was lofted into the air in Sitra, an oil village six miles south of the capital, Manama, and a hub of opposition sentiment. Many in the crowd waved the red and white flag of Bahrain as they followed the body to its burial site...
289 | Achilles Tang Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:53:32am |
re: #288 Gus 802
News from our allies in Bahrain:
Large Protest in Bahrain After Boy’s Death
By J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: September 1, 2011
Allies? You know this how?
291 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:55:15am |
293 | lawhawk Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:56:14am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We're still kinda soggy around the middle (that would be NJ) and towards the north in NY and VT, but the nice weather is helping to dry things out. Things are starting to return to normal, if by normal you mean that there are still more than 250,000 people without power in the NYC metro area (110k are without power in NC where Irene first roared ashore). That's a vast improvement from the millions without power in the hours and days immediately after the storm came ashore, and some of these folks will be without power until the storm flooding recedes and power crews can safely work on restoring the power lines and damaged systems.
Flooding will persist in some parts of NJ through the weekend, when President Obama will visit Paterson.
Meanwhile, Gov. Christie has slammed Congress for even appearing to play games with storm assistance funding - a direct slap at folks like Cantor (a fellow GOPer).
Oh, and TS Katia is now a hurricane and has the potential to make waves for the East Coast. Still too soon to predict with 100% certainty that it will stay offshore, but there's actually a tropical disturbance in the Gulf that may pose more of a threat as moisture from that system may find its way towards the Northeast in the next week.
295 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:58:20am |
re: #294 lawhawk
And here I thought I was a meat Popsicle.
Meat Popsicle would be a good name for a band. Kinda like Meat Puppets, only different.
296 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:59:32am |
297 | darthstar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:01:30am |
re: #292 Gus 802
[Link: www.cnic.navy.mil...]
Interesting ads on that navy page:
1. Suicide prevention line
2. "Safe-helpline".
3. Sexual assault reporting assistance line.
298 | darthstar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:04:41am |
Mornin' everyone...fuck, I'm tired. Better go run the dogs...early meeting today.
299 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:05:22am |
You can run, you can hide, but eventually they will find you.
300 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:06:02am |
re: #274 RogueOne
Apple employees drink too much:
Apple loses another unreleased iPhone (exclusive)
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
Given the kind of boss Steve Jobs could be and the pressure those employees working on the iPhone are under, I might be drinking too.
301 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:07:50am |
Groin Strain? That is a diagnosis?
302 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:09:51am |
re: #301 ggt
Groin Strain? That is a diagnosis?
A strained groin is not unusual. More often pulled, though.
303 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:10:00am |
304 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:10:09am |
re: #297 darthstar
Interesting ads on that navy page:
1. Suicide prevention line
2. "Safe-helpline".
3. Sexual assault reporting assistance line.
Pretty scary.
305 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:10:43am |
re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar
A strained groin is not unusual. More often pulled, though.
I guess I'd expect a more technical worded diagnosis.
Still, it seems like a terrible misdiagnosis. Well, it was, it lead to this guys death.
306 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:11:30am |
Brutal Bahrain plays vital role to U.S. gov't
By David Martin
THE PENTAGON - The free flow of oil, the containment of Iran and the defeat of al Qaeda, those are the stakes in the Persian Gulf and why the U.S. Navy has about 30 warships assigned to its 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports.
The world's attention was focused Thursday on the tiny Persian Gulf kingdom. Bahrain's capital is under lockdown after government troops attacked protesters overnight. At least five people were killed. Hundreds were wounded. In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called on Bahrain's government to show restraint.
The U.S. Navy has maintained a presence in Bahrain since World War II. The kingdom plays a vital role in protecting American interests.
"This whole area depends upon the ability to maintain naval and air forces in the region," said David Mack, a scholar at the Middle East Institute who once served as U.S. ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.
308 | Achilles Tang Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:38am |
309 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:45am |
re: #305 ggt
I guess I'd expect a more technical worded diagnosis.
Still, it seems like a terrible misdiagnosis. Well, it was, it lead to this guys death.
My friend was diagnosed with pneumonia before he died of an aortic aneurysm. Shit happens.
310 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:12:53am |
re: #293 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We're still kinda soggy around the middle (that would be NJ) and towards the north in NY and VT, but the nice weather is helping to dry things out. Things are starting to return to normal, if by normal you mean that there are still more than 250,000 people without power in the NYC metro area (110k are without power in NC where Irene first roared ashore). That's a vast improvement from the millions without power in the hours and days immediately after the storm came ashore, and some of these folks will be without power until the storm flooding recedes and power crews can safely work on restoring the power lines and damaged systems.
Flooding will persist in some parts of NJ through the weekend, when President Obama will visit Paterson.
Meanwhile, Gov. Christie has slammed Congress for even appearing to play games with storm assistance funding - a direct slap at folks like Cantor (a fellow GOPer).
Oh, and TS Katia is now a hurricane and has the potential to make waves for the East Coast. Still too soon to predict with 100% certainty that it will stay offshore, but there's actually a tropical disturbance in the Gulf that may pose more of a threat as moisture from that system may find its way towards the Northeast in the next week.
I always liked the name "Katia".
311 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:13:24am |
From the Supreme Irony department...
Wikileaks Sues the Guardian Over Wikileaks Leak
Apparently the Guardian wrote an expose book about Wikileaks and included a "temporary" password that was supposed to be expired after a single use. Wikileaks is now suing the Guardian for leaking information.
312 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:13:37am |
re: #278 Gus 802
Go for it. I was thinking about making one but decided not to.
Naw, about to walk out and run some errands. It was a very interesting piece, though.
313 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:14:25am |
re: #311 thedopefishlives
From the Supreme Irony department...
Wikileaks Sues the Guardian Over Wikileaks Leak
Apparently the Guardian wrote an expose book about Wikileaks and included a "temporary" password that was supposed to be expired after a single use. Wikileaks is now suing the Guardian for leaking information.
Some Animals are More Equal than Others
or
The Pot calling the Kettle Black?
314 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:15:42am |
re: #308 Naso Tang
Never mind. Our sarcs are crossing in the night.
Well. How am I to know that you were being sarcastic. The written, or typed word does not contain speech inflections. That's why I still use the "//" a lot of times. Otherwise it can catch people in these "gotcha" moments.
315 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:16:13am |
316 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:16:34am |
re: #312 reine.de.tout
Naw, about to walk out and run some errands. It was a very interesting piece, though.
Yep. Every man has his price. Apparently Howard Dean has his price. I was never a fan.
317 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:17:01am |
re: #314 Gus 802
Well. How am I to know that you were being sarcastic. The written, or typed word does not contain speech inflections. That's why I still use the "//" a lot of times. Otherwise it can catch people in these "gotcha" moments.
Gus, you are right,
sarc tags are very important
;)
318 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:17:39am |
re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar
My friend was diagnosed with pneumonia before he died of an aortic aneurysm. Shit happens.
How Horrible.
sorry you lost your friend.
319 | lawhawk Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:18:19am |
re: #247 RogueOne
As bad as Obama is perceived to be doing re: the economy, the GOP fares even worse overall.
320 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:19:20am |
What in hell?
@ProPublica ProPublica
Florida doctors bought 89 percent of all the Oxycodone sold in the US last year: [Link: t.co...] via @charlesornstein
89 percent?
321 | lawhawk Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:19:30am |
re: #300 Dark_Falcon
They lost the prior version of the iPhone too - and don't think that this wasn't deliberate either. It's a way to build up the hype. Expect gizmodo or one of the other sites to get their hands on the system and give it a run for the money...
322 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:19:54am |
I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.
323 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:20:44am |
324 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:21:37am |
re: #322 Killgore Trout
I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.
Did I tell you we have a baby frog now visiting our patio?
325 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:22:15am |
re: #324 ggt
Did I tell you we have a baby frog now visiting our patio?
Cool! Do you know what kind of frog he is?
327 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:23:07am |
328 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:24:33am |
Good news...
Iraq: US troops' first fatality-free month since 2003
August was the first month since the US-led invasion in 2003 that no US soldiers were killed in Iraq.
329 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:24:42am |
330 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:25:54am |
331 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:26:54am |
I'm tired, allergied out and have to start a full day soon.
I donwanna.
332 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:28:03am |
Woah!
Very cool pic of the Eiffel Tower being hit by lightening.
333 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:28:16am |
334 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:28:29am |
re: #320 Gus 802
What in hell?
@ProPublica ProPublica
Florida doctors bought 89 percent of all the Oxycodone sold in the US last year: [Link: t.co...] via @charlesornstein89 percent?
The main story is at the New York Times:
Florida Shutting ‘Pill Mill’ Clinics
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Florida has long been the nation’s center of the illegal sale of prescription drugs: Doctors here bought 89 percent of all the Oxycodone sold in the country last year. At its peak, so many out-of-staters flocked to Florida to buy drugs at more than 1,000 pain clinics that the state earned the nickname “Oxy Express.”
But with the help of tougher laws, officials have moved aggressively this year to shut down so-called pill mills and disrupt the pipeline that moves the drugs north. In the past year, more than 400 clinics were either shut down or closed their doors.
Prosecutors have indicted dozens of pill mill operators, and nearly 80 doctors have seen their licenses suspended for prescribing mass quantities of pills without clear medical need.
New laws are also cutting off distribution. As of July, Florida doctors are barred, with a few exceptions, from dispensing narcotics and addictive medicines in their offices or clinics. As a result, doctors’ purchases of Oxycodone, which reached 32.2 million doses in the first six months of 2010, fell by 97 percent in the same period this year. The ban was phased in beginning last October, with a limit on the number of pills a doctor could dispense.
Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.
335 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:30:23am |
re: #334 Gus 802
The main story is at the New York Times:
Florida Shutting ‘Pill Mill’ Clinics
Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.
How you gonna' get your supply now, Gus?
Mexico?
337 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:30:43am |
re: #334 Gus 802
We also just had a round up here for old prescriptions and those no longer needed. To keep it away from people and to keep people from flushing it.
339 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:31:43am |
I never knew it was banned.
340 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:34:30am |
re: #336 lawhawk
Dude... Sweet...
And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.
Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?
341 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:35:58am |
342 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:36:07am |
Off to start my day.
Have a great one, Lizards!
343 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:36:45am |
re: #339 ggt
I never knew it was banned.
They have pretty strict laws in Germany about Nazi symbols. Even on plastic models:
The Nazi swastika, which appears on World War 2 Luftwaffe aircraft, is illegal to display in Germany, and disappeared from almost all manufacturers' box illustrations in the 1990s. Some makers still include the emblem on the decal sheet, others have "broken" it into two elements which must be reassembled by the builder, while others have omitted it altogether. Aftermarket decal sheets exist that consist entirely of Luftwaffe swastikas.
344 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:36:49am |
re: #340 ggt
And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.
Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?
Not really. Just means that the ionization path through the air provided less resistance between mid-tower and ground than between the top of the tower and ground.
345 | iossarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:37:32am |
re: #340 ggt
And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.
Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?
I don't think the bolt is hitting the tower, I think it's earthing behind it.
Still a cool photo.
346 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:38:39am |
re: #340 ggt
And, the bolt didn't hit the top, it hit mid-way down.
Goes against the lightening rod theory--no?
Looks like it actually hit the earth at some distance behind the tower. Why are you attacking Founding Father Benjamin F? Lightning rod theory is in the Constitution. Still a nice photo.
347 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:39:23am |
re: #322 Killgore Trout
I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.
Should have found that guy in China and gotten a bucket of live scorpions put on the pile. That would have gotten their attention.
348 | lawhawk Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:42:43am |
re: #340 ggt
Not sure about that. The photo seems to show a leader near the top of the tower, but the path of electricity will follow the path of least resistance, which was lower - where the main strike flowed. You would have needed to see a high speed video to see how this particular lightning strike developed.
349 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:43:40am |
Yo, Lawhawk. Maybe you've seen this already...
Also has a slide show and video.
350 | darthstar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:43:44am |
re: #322 Killgore Trout
I put out rat poison last night. I was going to wait for the hippies to move their open compost pile but got tired of waiting. I bought the biggest block of poison I could find so the rats wouldn't carry it away and bury it. I can't believe how much poison they ate last night. They ate maybe 30% of the bar has been nibbled away on the first night. I hope it's not too late to save the frog population.
Do you have it protected by some kind of barrier so larger animals can't get to it? Dogs will eat that stuff as well.
351 | lawhawk Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:47:32am |
re: #349 Gus 802
Yeah - see my #326.
Thanks though.
I'm getting close to finishing two separate pieces about 9/11.
One will be covering the emotional and human toll from the attacks and recollections from the first days after the attacks, and the second will be about the physical rebuilding at Ground Zero.
352 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:48:54am |
re: #334 Gus 802
The main story is at the New York Times:
Florida Shutting ‘Pill Mill’ Clinics
Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.
Yes, he is. From that article it does look like Florida has long had that sort of problem. Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it. But I really hope that the new enforcement efforts are carefully targeted. Too often they aren't and people whose only real offense was to suffer from chronic pain end up in prison.
353 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:49:04am |
re: #350 darthstar
Do you have it protected by some kind of barrier so larger animals can't get to it? Dogs will eat that stuff as well.
Yeah, it's protected from neighborhood pets.
354 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:49:20am |
re: #351 lawhawk
Yeah - see my #326.
Thanks though.
I'm getting close to finishing two separate pieces about 9/11.
One will be covering the emotional and human toll from the attacks and recollections from the first days after the attacks, and the second will be about the physical rebuilding at Ground Zero.
Ah. I missed that. The video is good even though it's really a slide show with audio. The steel workers words and the construction noise is what makes it.
355 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:51:19am |
re: #352 Dark_Falcon
Yes, he is. From that article it does look like Florida has long had that sort of problem. Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it. But I really hope that the new enforcement efforts are carefully targeted. Too often they aren't and people whose only real offense was to suffer from chronic pain end up in prison.
True. It looks good at first glance but as you mentioned it could unfairly target users who have health issues. Regular abusers should also be treated through drug rehab programs. No sympathy for these doctors though.
356 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:56:02am |
re: #355 Gus 802
True. It looks good at first glance but as you mentioned it could unfairly target users who have health issues. Regular abusers should also be treated through drug rehab programs. No sympathy for these doctors though.
Agreed. The basic problem always seems to be lack of oversight, sometimes paired with an over-focus on metrics that the bosses expect met. In such circumstances, people who didn't really commit a crime can end up ruined because someone wanted to pad their conviction rate. The key is to have people overseeing the operation who can halt such actions before they do too much damage. But that often fails to work, since the oversight people are often afraid of being associated with a bad operation and so try to cover up mistakes and bad actions rather than correct them.
357 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:00:03am |
re: #355 Gus 802
True. It looks good at first glance but as you mentioned it could unfairly target users who have health issues. Regular abusers should also be treated through drug rehab programs. No sympathy for these doctors though.
Many users can get out of trouble (possession charges dropped) or have a charge reduced by getting treatment or going to rehab. But you're right. Fuck the doctors.
359 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:09:20am |
re: #352 Dark_Falcon
Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it.
Lol Rick Scott is almost literally the fox guarding the henhouse. He cannot be trusted any further than he can be thrown, especially when it comes to anything regarding the medical arena.
360 | bratwurst Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:11:07am |
re: #334 Gus 802
Gov. Rick Scott doing the right thing here.
One for the "even a broken clock..." file!
362 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:13:22am |
re: #359 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Rick Scott is almost literally the fox guarding the henhouse. He cannot be trusted any further than he can be thrown, especially when it comes to anything regarding the medical arena.
I hate the incorrect use of the expression "literally" even when accompanied by an "almost" qualifier.
"Literally" means, exactly what the expression is.
OK rant over.
363 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:14:41am |
This is in very poor taste....,
GOP raffling off gun in Giffords's district
The Pima County Republican Party is raffling off a Glock 23 handgun to raise money for get out the vote efforts in the district where a Glock was used last winter to kill six people and wound Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).
364 | lawhawk Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:15:56am |
re: #41 HoosierHoops
BTW, it's probably the paralegals who are busy sending out those letters, not the lawyers. They're running down lists collected by the companies about comments that may be derogatory about the company.
Doubt the companies have the time to go after everyone who says something bad about the company. Sending c&d letters to everyone who has a bad opinion of a company isn't going to improve the goodwill either. It's a bad PR move. Best to try and fix the problem instead of sending out letters calling on people to stop saying bad things about company practices.
Another option would be to write a letter back to whoever's sent it saying that instead of sending threatening letter to people who complain about bad service/practices, try fixing the problem and improving communications.
I make a habit of writing letters when I see bad service - and also when a bad situation (like travel cancellations, delays, etc.) is resolved in a good way - rewarding good behavior, scolding on bad behavior. You'd be surprised at the kind of feedback you can get that way.
Oh, and right now my ire is directed at NJ Transit, which has problems when there are no hurricanes or weather issues, but which has taken customer service to new lows after Irene. It claims that they're operating regular service on our train line, but that's not true. They've gone and combined trains and not bothered to tell anyone about it. The schedule is random, but they're telling everyone it's okay. Or blame Metro North that the Port Jervis line isn't already restored.
That's the epitome of bad service - blaming someone else for your own failures.
I (and other riders on our line) wouldn't be upset about having to wait for the next train to come or having to stand like sardines on trains if they simply posted that trains are being combined and a new schedule is being posted until service is restored.
No communications = awful customer service.
Good communications will alleviate some of the frustrations.
We'll see what kind of results my local reps can do to get NJ Transit to fix things...
365 | iossarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:16:55am |
re: #362 Alouette
I hate the incorrect use of the expression "literally" even when accompanied by an "almost" qualifier.
"Literally" means, exactly what the expression is.
OK rant over.
Ha. I go crazy over jealous =/= envious.
But yes, "literally" is also a bugbear. "His head literally exploded." Yuck.
366 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:16:58am |
re: #319 lawhawk
As bad as Obama is perceived to be doing re: the economy, the GOP fares even worse overall.
which would be helpful if he were running for congress....
368 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:19:31am |
Gov Chris Christie to Republicans: Don't stiff NJ on Hurricane Irene relief
Gov. Chris Christie got it exactly right Tuesday when he told members of his own party in Washington to stop squabbling and send aid to the victims of Hurricane Irene right away. It was a dose of common sense that this discussion sorely needed, delivered right between the eyes.
Christie was responding to the demand from Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the House majority leader, that any relief offered to victims of the hurricane be offset by spending cuts in other parts of the budget.
“Nobody was asking about offsetting budget cuts in Joplin (Mo., following a May tornado),” Christie said during a visit to Lincoln Park. “And I don’t want to hear about the fact that offsetting budget cuts have to come first, before New Jersey citizens are taken care of.”
369 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:20:31am |
Funny part in the video where Janet Napolitano talks about the recovery being "taxing" on people and she adds "and I'm against taxes."
370 | iossarian Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:22:08am |
re: #368 Gus 802
Standard Republican hypocrisy.
Government money spent on me is wise and thrifty investment.
Government money spent on anyone else is disgusting waste. Also welfare queens driving Cadillacs down gold-plated union streets!!!
371 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:23:01am |
re: #367 Lidane
Outrageous outrage, or just really poor taste?
I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.
372 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:26:49am |
373 | Interesting Times Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:26:53am |
re: #363 Killgore Trout
This is in very poor taste...,
GOP raffling off gun in Giffords's district
Feels like real-life trolling.
374 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:29:00am |
re: #368 Gus 802
Gov Chris Christie to Republicans: Don't stiff NJ on Hurricane Irene relief
Didn't Cantor say yesterday the aid money would be coming as soon as someone requested it and they'd fight about the cuts later?
375 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:30:06am |
re: #362 Alouette
I hate the incorrect use of the expression "literally" even when accompanied by an "almost" qualifier.
"Literally" means, exactly what the expression is.
OK rant over.
Wait, you mean to tell me there's no such thing as a literal metaphor?
rotfl
376 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:30:13am |
re: #371 Killgore Trout
I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.
I hadn't made the connection. Pima Co.. Now we know why.
377 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:31:21am |
re: #365 iossarian
"His head literally exploded." Yuck.
Aw, that only happens in David Cronenberg movies!
378 | wrenchwench Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:33:56am |
re: #371 Killgore Trout
I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.
The .pdf linked at Lidane's link is still accessible, and has the raffle information.
I think it's outrageously poor taste, which is typical of the Pima County GOP.
379 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:36:04am |
re: #352 Dark_Falcon
Yes, he is. From that article it does look like Florida has long had that sort of problem. Rick Scott is correct to move to solve it. But I really hope that the new enforcement efforts are carefully targeted. Too often they aren't and people whose only real offense was to suffer from chronic pain end up in prison.
Careful there, DF, you're sounding almost "lib'rul" there ;)
380 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:36:30am |
re: #372 RogueOne
Poor taste
Meh. Gun raffles are pretty common across the country. In fact the NRA had a gun raffle at a gun show in Tucson one week after Giffords was shot. Maybe it's in poor taste but I'm not going to Tweet this bit of news.
381 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:37:15am |
re: #373 publicityStunted
Feels like real-life trolling.
It is. Outright gooning. They knew what they were doing, and are just gonna play "aw, shucks" about it all.
382 | makeitstop Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:37:38am |
re: #368 Gus 802
Gov Chris Christie to Republicans: Don't stiff NJ on Hurricane Irene relief
I'm on the record as disliking Christie. But after calling out the Tea Party over the Muslim judge, his handling of the hurricane situation (like a total pro), and pushing back against Cantor, my respect for the guy has ticked up a few notches.
383 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:38:01am |
re: #380 Gus 802
Meh. Gun raffles are pretty common across the country. In fact the NRA had a gun raffle at a gun show in Tucson one week after Giffords was shot. Maybe it's in poor taste but I'm not going to Tweet this bit of news.
I don't have a problem with it really, just acknowledging it's in poor taste, literally. Like Wrenchwrench said, it's Pima Co. They don't really think things through.
384 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:40:23am |
re: #383 RogueOne
I don't have a problem with it really, just acknowledging it's in poor taste, literally. Like Wrenchwrench said, it's Pima Co. They don't really think things through.
Yep. It's pretty stupid for the Pima County Republicans to be doing this. Maybe wait another year or so. Otherwise it really shows poor political judgement on their part. As far as being insensitive I don't know. I find that hard to judge considering all the other shit that we pull as a nation as a whole here and abroad. I'm a lot more outraged about our policy towards Bahrain for example.
385 | Lidane Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:40:46am |
re: #374 RogueOne
Didn't Cantor say yesterday the aid money would be coming as soon as someone requested it and they'd fight about the cuts later?
I thought it was the VA governor who said that they could bitch and fight about money later, but people need help now.
386 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:41:49am |
Speaking of AZ, Did everyone see this yesterday?
Steven Seagal accused of killing a puppy and hundreds of chickens
[Link: www.avclub.com...]
the actor turned deputy sheriff is now facing another potential lawsuit, this time for his role in a March police raid that involved busting up an Arizona man’s house on suspicion of running an illegal cockfighting farm. Shortly after the incident, Seagal explained that the raid on suspect Jesus Llovera—which involved a Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department team in full riot gear swarming his family’s home, as Steven Seagal crashed through his gates in a tank—all came about because, as Seagal said to a local TV station, “Animal cruelty is one of my pet peeves.” So in order to prevent said animal cruelty, Seagal and his team apparently “euthanized” the more than 100 roosters it found on Llovera’s property and, according to a just-filed claim from Llovera, also shot and killed his 11-month-old puppy.
387 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:42:17am |
re: #371 Killgore Trout
I think it's very poor taste. The Pima County GOP website is offline, I assume they're going to try to stuff this down the memory hole.
Ditto. It looks horrible, but I seriously doubt that it is prompted by any malicious intent where Congresswoman Giffords is concerned. Only a fool would do this; it isn't the action of someone who is "crazy like a fox".
388 | Lidane Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:46:25am |
re: #383 RogueOne
I don't have a problem with it really, just acknowledging it's in poor taste, literally. Like Wrenchwrench said, it's Pima Co. They don't really think things through.
Gun raffles are not a bad thing on their own merits, provided they're handled correctly. This just seems like really bad taste and bad planning. Rep. Giffords just got shot a few months ago, and with the same type of gun. At least plan things a little better, you know?
389 | RogueOne Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:46:37am |
re: #385 Lidane
I thought it was the VA governor who said that they could bitch and fight about money later, but people need help now.
My paraphrase was off:
Cantor in tricky spot on disaster aid
[Link: thehill.com...]
Cantor’s office on Tuesday took steps to walk back the majority leader’s Fox remarks, issuing a statement vowing that victims of the recent disasters “will certainly get what they need from their federal government.” They also suggested it was possible that disaster funds would not be offset, though they said offsetting them would be the responsible thing to do.
“The goal should be to find ways to pay for what is needed or to find offsets whenever possible; that is the responsible thing to do — especially with a $14 trillion debt,” Cantor’s office said in a news release.
The White House, for its part, has also left itself flexibility on the topic. While White House press secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday chided Cantor for not demanding that the previous administration pay for an “unprecedented” amount of bills, he also did not take a firm position on the question of offsets.
I take that to mean the money will be there. I don't think Cantor is going to blow his foot off to make a point.
390 | sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:50:57am |
Youth football player tackles referee, leading to braw
[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]
Maybe the kid just needs corrective lenses!!
391 | sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:52:07am |
re: #390 sattv4u2
Youth football player tackles referee, leading to braw
[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]
Maybe the kid just needs corrective lenses!!
Ismail said the fight started minutes before halftime over some disputed calls, and the coaches from the Gators started throwing water bottles at the referees.
Great example for the kids, ya jackasses
392 | sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:56:58am |
K Kiddies
Mrs Satty is taking me out to brunch
((why did she just remind me to take MY wallet!?!?))
393 | Lidane Thu, Sep 1, 2011 8:58:48am |
Oh, this promises to be fun:
Perry Proposed A Bi-National Health Insurance Plan With Mexico In 2001
Spin, Goodhair, spin. ROFL.
394 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:02:05am |
re: #393 Lidane
Oh, this promises to be fun:
Perry Proposed A Bi-National Health Insurance Plan With Mexico In 2001
Spin, Goodhair, spin. ROFL.
...
Clearly this was an underhanded attempt by Rick Perry to secretly allow TERRORIST BABIES into the United States from Mexico through a "Bi-National Health Insurance Plan" because Rick Perry is in fact A STEALTH JIHADIST!!11ty
395 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:03:23am |
Speaking of which...
Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am
Earlier this month, Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy accused New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie of “misprision of treason” for appointing lawyer Sohail Mohammed, who is Muslim, to the state’s Superior Court. While speaking with Rick Joyner of MorningStar Ministries and The Oak Initiative yesterday, Gaffney said that more people need to be investigated for misprision of treason. Misprison of treason is a federal offense committed when a person does not report treasonous activity to a federal official and punishable by up to seven years in prison.
But Gaffney didn’t stop there.
After lauding the House Un-American Activities Committee, which was notorious for using ‘red scare’ tactics in government and the entertainment industry in the 1950’s, Gaffney called for the establishment of a “House Anti-American Activities Committee” that would investigate people involved in treasonous activities or their concealment...
396 | Gus Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:05:13am |
Woohoo! A video...
Frank Gaffney: US Needs A New House of Anti-American Activities Committe
What a nut.
397 | wrenchwench Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:05:16am |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
Ditto. It looks horrible, but I seriously doubt that it is prompted by any malicious intent where Congresswoman Giffords is concerned. Only a fool would do this; it isn't the action of someone who is "crazy like a fox".
If it's not malicious intent, it's at least malicious disregard. It's not likely they "forgot" about the shooting of Giffords and Judge Roll and the other five dead people and dozen injured.
399 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:08:00am |
re: #395 Gus 802
Speaking of which...
Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am
Wow, this could be dangerous because today's Republicans are radical enough to embrace the idea.
400 | zora Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:09:25am |
re: #386 RogueOne
from the link:
At the time, the use of several armored vehicles, dozens of law enforcement officers, and, of course, Steve Seagal riding in a tank to raid an unarmed chicken farm, level a surrounding wall, and smash out the windows of Llovera’s home was immediately derided as gross misuse of force and funds, all authorized by self-styled celebrity Sheriff Joe Arpaio in order to play up to the reality TV cameras—an argument that Llovera’s subsequent minor arrest for “suspicion of cockfighting” did little to quell.
a tank and a swat team for cockfighting. insane.
401 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:12:39am |
re: #390 sattv4u2
Youth football player tackles referee, leading to braw
[Link: www.heraldtribune.com...]
Maybe the kid just needs corrective lenses!!
I really hate Adults Behaving Badly.
The adults involved need to be removed from youth sports for life. That kid needs to be removed from youth sports.
402 | Lidane Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:12:56am |
re: #395 Gus 802
Speaking of which...
Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am
Frank Gaffney needs to get laid or sent on a tropical vacation or something. The guy is FAR too tightly wound for it to be healthy.
Chris Christie isn't a traitor for appointing a Muslim judge, and Grover Norquist might be an asshole, but he's not a secret jihadist for having a Muslim wife. Also, the HUAC was a dark time for the United States, not something to be emulated.
403 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:14:28am |
re: #395 Gus 802
Speaking of which...
Gaffney: Establish a "House Anti-American Activities Committee"
Submitted by Brian Tashman on September 1, 2011 - 11:54am
Hey Frank, even Joe McCarthy himself wouldn't go for your definition of "Anti-American Activities", nor would any person less paranoid than the John Birch Society. Knock off the nuttiness and see a shrink.
404 | Lidane Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:15:45am |
re: #403 Dark_Falcon
Hey Frank, even Joe McCarthy himself wouldn't go for your definition of "Anti-American Activities", nor would any person less paranoid than the John Birch Society. Knock off the nuttiness and see a shrink.
He'd just call the shrink a secret jihadist in league with the Muslim Brotherhood or something.
What Frank needs is a vacation, or for somebody to pay off a porn star to give him a good time and finally get him laid.
405 | bratwurst Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:15:45am |
re: #393 Lidane
Oh, this promises to be fun:
Perry Proposed A Bi-National Health Insurance Plan With Mexico In 2001
He supports nationalized healthcare AND bisexuals!
406 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:16:30am |
re: #404 Lidane
He'd just call the shrink a secret jihadist in league with the Muslim Brotherhood or something.
What Frank needs is a vacation, or for somebody to pay off a porn star to give him a good time and finally get him laid.
He could party with Pam.
//
407 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:18:33am |
re: #400 zora
from the link:
a tank and a swat team for cockfighting. insane.
A SWAT team I can understand, given the need to cordon off a large area. The "tank" was an intimidation tactic and in my opinion major overkill.
408 | Lidane Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:20:52am |
Completely OT, but yay me! I flat out told my boss that working for free was no longer an option because student loans were only going to take me so far. He agreed and has said they want to keep me here because they think I'm doing a great job.
Now comes the fun part -- figuring out a salary to ask for. I need to give him a ballpark figure that I'd be happy with. I have a lot of number crunching in my future. I don't want to go too high, but I'm not going to sell myself short, either.
This is good news. My day is made. :D
409 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:22:25am |
re: #404 Lidane
He'd just call the shrink a secret jihadist in league with the Muslim Brotherhood or something.
What Frank needs is a vacation, or for somebody to pay off a porn star to give him a good time and finally get him laid.
Sadly, they can't get a porn star for that right now. The porn industry in LA is shut down at the moment due to a positive HIV test. He'd think such a gift was an attempt to give him AIDS.
/Not really kidding. He's that paranoid.
410 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 1, 2011 9:25:08am |
re: #408 Lidane
Completely OT, but yay me! I flat out told my boss that working for free was no longer an option because student loans were only going to take me so far. He agreed and has said they want to keep me here because they think I'm doing a great job.
Now comes the fun part -- figuring out a salary to ask for. I need to give him a ballpark figure that I'd be happy with. I have a lot of number crunching in my future. I don't want to go too high, but I'm not going to sell myself short, either.
This is good news. My day is made. :D
My first job right out of college was $23K/year
But that was during the Reagan administration.