NPR: Obama Justice Dept. Tougher on Abortion Protesters

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NPR’s Morning Edition has a report today on the Justice Department’s increased willingness to pursue lawsuits against the religious psychos who harass and menace women at abortion clinics.

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The Obama Justice Department has been taking a more aggressive approach against people who block access to abortion clinics, using a 1994 law to bring cases in greater numbers than its predecessor.

The numbers are most stark when it comes to civil lawsuits, which seek to create buffer zones around clinic entrances for people who have blocked access in the past. Under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, or FACE Act, the Justice Department’s civil rights division has filed eight civil cases since the start of the Obama administration. That’s a big increase over the George W. Bush years, when one case was filed in eight years.

“There’s been a substantial difference between this administration and the one immediately prior,” says Ellen Gertzog, director of security for Planned Parenthood. “From where we sit, there’s currently much greater willingness to carefully assess incidents when they occur and to proceed with legal action when appropriate.”

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1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:38:08am

Obama wants to make it easier for us to kill more babies

2 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:43:40am
The Obama Justice Department has been taking a more aggressive approach against people who block access to abortion clinics, using a 1994 law to bring cases in greater numbers than its predecessor.

About fucking time. I had to take my daughter to a clinic once when she was sick and had to park 3 blocks away and then run a gauntlet of those assholes with a scared kid because of those cocksuckers blocking the doors.

3 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:45:20am

I used to volunteer as a clinic escort in San Francisco. Even there, in the heart of liberal San Francisco, we had four crazies showing up every day to protest. They used the typical signs with blatant lies on them, screamed at women going into the clinic "You're going to have to answer to god for killing your baby", and talked viciously amongst themselves about those who supported abortion. We were about ten feet away from each other.

I have sincerely never met more hateful people.

The only good part about it was that the abortion clinic was right next to a walgreens, so a lot of times they screamed at people who were just buying twizzlers. When they made one fourteen year old girl cry, her father stood in front of them and screamed "Shut up" for ten straight minutes at the top of his voice, until they decided they'd had enough for that day.

They tended to get a lot quieter when any men were in the escort crew. They were at their most hateful when it was only female escorts. And they assumed, automatically, that all the women doing escort duty had had multiple abortions.

4 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:45:47am

Obama wants to make it harder for us to kill more abortion doctors.

/what's that wingnut tagging again?

5 Ming  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:49:03am

What a concept! Actually PROSECUTE people who threaten and intimidate medical clinics and patients!

I had surgery a year ago (nothing to do with abortion), and I know how vulnerable and scared a medical patient can feel. People who take advantage of another person, when the other person is at her most vulnerable, really should be prosecuted.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:49:09am

[ wingnut ] and [ / wingnut ] without spaces

7 dragonfire1981  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:50:11am

Remember, a lot of conservatives will wear this as a badge of honor.

8 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:51:06am

re: #6 ralphieboy

Thanks... I was trying them with the angle brackets and couldn't remember the right coding. Hey Charles, how about a wingnut coding letter to go with the strike-through, bold, italics, quote, and link?

Just a thought...

9 Virginia Plain  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:51:12am

It's not just those who are getting an abortion. Planned Parenthood clinics provide birth control, cancer screenings and prenatal care. Imagine how those patients feel, if they are not getting abortions.

10 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:52:30am

Time to re-post this:

Aaron Gouveia and his wife were already having the worst day of their lives. Then came the abortion protesters.

You never know the circumstances surrounding this kind of decision. Consider this my plea: stop terrorizing women. Stop adding trauma to their trauma. If you’re able, stand up to these bullies in nonviolent ways. Speak out. And if you have a camera, use it.

11 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:54:30am

Hate to go OT here so soon but Charles did you see this over at Hot Air? Howard Portnoy suggests that liberals are ignoring the "science" on "race and intelligence" and comes to this conclusion:

These findings are troublesome for a political party that would choose to coddle one of its most loyal voter blocs rather than expose them to the truth. They are also a tough pill to swallow for blacks, who have been reassured repeatedly that their below-average test scores are the product of years of systematic oppression or cultural bias in the test, not some inborn limitation. If one wanted to be really cruel, one might even accuse Democrats and blacks of rejecting scientific findings when they complicate their ideological worldview.

IOW. Hot Air is promoting an alleged limitation of intelligence of blacks as an "inborn limitation."

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:56:36am

re: #11 Gus 802


relative performance on written intelligence tests = relative intelligence

13 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:59:02am

These people are vile, disgusting pieces of shit, deliberately targeting people facing a difficult decisions when they're at their most vulnerable. If they really gave a damn, they'd spend their time giving these people support and other options rather than screaming at them about being baby killers.

14 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:00:55pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Hate to go OT here so soon but Charles did you see this over at Hot Air? Howard Portnoy suggests that liberals are ignoring the "science" on "race and intelligence" and comes to this conclusion:

IOW. Hot Air is promoting an alleged limitation of intelligence of blacks as an "inborn limitation."

Pretty ugly stuff.

15 RadicalModerate  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:01:56pm

re: #9 Virginia Plain

It's not just those who are getting an abortion. Planned Parenthood clinics provide birth control, cancer screenings and prenatal care. Imagine how those patients feel, if they are not getting abortions.

The anti-abortionists don't care. They've proven time and again that they'll go after any clinic that offers medical services for women.

Case in point:
Molotov Cocktail Hurled Through McKinney Planned Parenthood

The closest thing that this clinic does related to abortion is give prescriptions for birth control pills.

16 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:02:02pm
17 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:02:47pm

re: #15 RadicalModerate

The closest thing that this clinic does related to abortion is give prescriptions for birth control pills.

THEY HATE GOD'S PLAN!

18 shutdown  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:04:04pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Hate to go OT here so soon but Charles did you see this over at Hot Air? Howard Portnoy suggests that liberals are ignoring the "science" on "race and intelligence" and comes to this conclusion:

IOW. Hot Air is promoting an alleged limitation of intelligence of blacks as an "inborn limitation."

You can make a page about this with additional research debunking or countering the claim made implicitly by Hot Air; Charles can decide to front page it with his cool new "community blog" technology.

19 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:04:07pm

re: #11 Gus 802

I see they moved that to a front page post. Lovely.

20 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:05:33pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Pretty ugly stuff.

It's outrageous. This is almost straight out of Nazi Germany during the 1930s. Yes. Perhaps I'm pulling a Godwin here but that's the way I see it. At the very least it's extremist white supremacy talk worthy of Stormfront or a KKK meeting.

21 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:09:02pm

Did I delete my own comment?

22 shutdown  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:09:30pm

re: #20 Gus 802

It's outrageous. This is almost straight out of Nazi Germany during the 1930s. Yes. Perhaps I'm pulling a Godwin here but that's the way I see it. At the very least it's extremist white supremacy talk worthy of Stormfront or a KKK meeting.

It is such a huge issue that these fuckwits co-opt legitimate science and rephrase it for their own purposes. Then, when you point out the fallacies of their argument, or provide context, they start screaming about how the "left" only supports science that fits a progressive agenda. Personally< i think that a large part of global warming is a result of the smoke these people blow out of their asses, trapping greenhouse gasses i the atmosphere.

23 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:09:52pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

re: #20 Gus 802

All of a sudden this doesn't seem so outrageous now, does it?

24 RadicalModerate  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:11:15pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Portnoy had an article in their "Green Room" last night - and it looks like it's been frontpaged, with all the white nationalist VDARE/AmRen dogwhistles completely intact.

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:11:50pm

re: #22 imp_62

It has nothing to do with any sound science, but these people do not understand the basic principles of science and statistics.

Once again, where is it definitively proven that relative scores on written tests are a 1:1 indicator of relative intelligence?

26 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:13:36pm

re: #21 Iwouldprefernotto

Did I delete my own comment?

Only monitors or Charles can delete comments. Maybe someone did so while you were editing it (if that's what you meant)

27 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:14:01pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Hate to go OT here so soon but Charles did you see this over at Hot Air? Howard Portnoy suggests that liberals are ignoring the "science" on "race and intelligence" and comes to this conclusion:

IOW. Hot Air is promoting an alleged limitation of intelligence of blacks as an "inborn limitation."

Wow, the Bell Curve, at Hot Air.

I think they've finally arrived at the place they were headed toward.

28 shutdown  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:16:49pm

re: #25 ralphieboy

It has nothing to do with any sound science, but these people do not understand the basic principles of science and statistics.

Once again, where is it definitively proven that relative scores on written tests are a 1:1 indicator of relative intelligence?

The article being quoted by Hot Air does not even make that claim. It draws conclusions solely about genetics and heritability of traits, not how these traits are expressed or what comprises "intelligence". But the AEI comment simplifies things for readers, saying

The study’s methods do not lend themselves to easy explanation unless you’re at home with SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms) and inverse variance weighted models used to capture “the variance in the trait that is due to linkage disequilibrium between genotyped SNPs and unknown causal variants.” But the bottom line of the article is reasonably simple

IOW: Readers are stupid and gullible. Let me tell them what I want the article to mean and they will believe it because I am a bald white guy.

29 shutdown  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:17:45pm

re: #27 Charles

Wow, the Bell Curve, at Hot Air.

I think they've finally arrived at the place they were headed toward.

Not quite true. They were always there, with their heads up their asses, chasing around in circles. "No matter where you're at, there you are"

30 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:18:03pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Srsly...

Wow. They aren't even uncomfortable or sneaky about going there anymore. I'm sure they will still scream at the top of the lungs about how they aren't racists and the libruhs are taking them out of context.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:22:02pm

re: #28 imp_62

Yes, humans have inherited and inheritable traits, some of which are related to race.

But Americans also have inalienable rights that are not dependent on race.

Sounds like someone is trying to use to use conclusions relating to the the former in order to try and influence the latter...

32 laZardo  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:25:48pm
33 shutdown  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:26:50pm

re: #31 ralphieboy

Yes. Between the conclusion of the study:

Our results unequivocally confirm that a substantial proportion of individual differences in human intelligence is due to genetic variation, and are consistent with many genes of small effects underlying the additive genetic influences on intelligence.

to the conclusions quoted in Hot Air:

The bell curve for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the bell curve for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the bell curves for Jews and Asians are centered.

lies a huge scientific chasm which Portnoy just ignores, engaging in standard tautology instead, couched in a logical fallacy. But it's red meat to the wingnut masses.

34 Coracle  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:36:23pm

One wonders what the use of making a 'bell curve' type argument is at all. In our society a significant minority of people are 'under IQ 100' and above non-functional mental retardation. Unless we intend to restrict their rights or bar them from certain activities or decisions, someone with IQ 85, black, white, or polka-dotted, as exactly the same right to drive, hold office, bear children. If you want to argue that they shouldn't, then you're arguing for a fundamentally unequal i.e. anti-American society.

I have little doubt that is what the friends at Hot Air actually believe. Only the losers need equality, after all.

35 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:49:02pm

Speaking of racism:

When Israelis say "We don't want the blacks moving in to our neighborhoods!" they're not talking about Africans. (look at the comments. Ugly!)

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:52:39pm

re: #10 publicityStunted

Time to re-post this:

Aaron Gouveia and his wife were already having the worst day of their lives. Then came the abortion protesters.

[Video]

I once sat in a PP waiting room, and watched a young guy jump up and storm for the door, apparently triggered by the fifteenth bellow of 'spare your child' through the windows. His wife/girlfriend/sister/dunno ran after him and talked him down. My Spanish isn't good enough for what she said, but I've always assumed it was along the lines of 'if you get arrested for beating the crap out of a protester, we'll have REAL problems.'

37 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 12:55:04pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Hot Air is promoting an alleged limitation of intelligence of blacks as an "inborn limitation."

Oh race science is back in again! Just when I thought the penis size thing had died off and us white guys could shower at the gym again!

38 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:03:38pm

re: #37 Big Steve

Race is one of the more pathetic fictions humans have ever clung to.

39 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:08:31pm

re: #38 Obdicut

Race is one of the more pathetic fictions humans have ever clung to.

And religion

Activists Want to Pass Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment to Stop Satan's Attack on Marriage

40 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:11:45pm

re: #38 Obdicut

Race is one of the more pathetic fictions humans have ever clung to.

Silence human!

41 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:13:02pm

about time....I was starting to get pissed off...when LE won't enforce the law, then rubes like me might have to....this war against women and PP is easily winnable, but you might have to bust some heads to make it happen...do it

42 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:13:37pm

Obama aide: Speech won't conflict with football

Thank Khorne our nation has its priorities straight.
///

43 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:14:25pm

re: #40 Varek Raith

Silence human!

Xenos scum.

44 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:18:13pm

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama aide: Speech won't conflict with football

Thank Khorne our nation has its priorities straight.
///

is there some reason that BO speech should be elevated above football in importance?..I can't think of one

45 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:19:09pm

re: #44 albusteve

is there some reason that BO speech should be elevated above football in importance?..I can't think of one

Is there some reason football should be considered important? I can't think of one.

46 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:22:46pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is there some reason football should be considered important? I can't think of one.

it's a $10b industry that makes money on it's own without federal input, other then to waive all the antitrust bullshit the league has been attacked for...I love the feds

47 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:23:40pm

re: #46 albusteve

it's a $10b industry that makes money on it's own without federal input, other then to waive all the antitrust bullshit the league has been attacked for...I love the feds

The fact that playing sports can be considered a profession is just sad.

48 Coracle  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:25:02pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Meh. At it's core it's a form of entertainment.

49 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:25:33pm

re: #46 albusteve

it's a $10b industry that makes money on it's own without federal input, other then to waive all the antitrust bullshit the league has been attacked for...I love the feds

Really? No Federal input? So they're like John Galt?

50 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:25:54pm

re: #46 albusteve

Wait, isn't that Major League Baseball? And we'd have to ignore all the money localities funnel in to bribe/keep teams from moving by building new stadiums and/or transportation facilities to funnel people in and out of these facilities.

51 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:27:19pm

Don't know if this has been commented on but this pastor wants to create an atheist registry.....similar to the sex offender registry. [Link: freethoughtblogs.com...]

Just want you all to know that I shall be the first registered!

52 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:27:23pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The facts that playing sports can be considered a profession is just sad.

consider what the feds and states pump into the parks and other various programs....to support the public's desire to go look at a sculpture on a mountain etc...we are a society that takes leisure seriously, and the NFL is a business, no different than some popcorn mogul, or the Circle Line

53 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:29:57pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Wait, isn't that Major League Baseball? And we'd have to ignore all the money localities funnel in to bribe/keep teams from moving by building new stadiums and/or transportation facilities to funnel people in and out of these facilities.

those are local issues....I'm sure you can rip apart a statement that says no federal input...

54 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:30:38pm

re: #52 albusteve

consider what the feds and states pump into the parks and other various programs...to support the public's desire to go look at a sculpture on a mountain etc...we are a society that takes leisure seriously, and the NFL is a business, no different than some popcorn mogul, or the Circle Line

"A fool and his money" and all that.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:32:29pm

As a Rightie (apathetic to abortion since I lack the equipment to need one) I think that to protest abortion within the law is a constitutional right.

But harassing women (girls) who are entering and leaving is beyond the pale.

56 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:33:36pm

Hi Lizards..Well crap.. Looks like we are going to hit the news again today.. Wildfires everywhere.. There is a high school in Noble by the fire..It is coming this direction...Couple of miles away now...

57 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:33:52pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"A fool and his money" and all that.

and what do you spend on movie and video game fantasy?...foolishness is subjective

58 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:34:49pm

re: #53 albusteve

Except there often is federal input in the way of tax breaks and other incentives are given for construction projects...

59 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:35:12pm

re: #46 albusteve

it's a $10b industry that makes money on it's own without federal input, other then to waive all the antitrust bullshit the league has been attacked for...I love the feds

The NFL is a parasite, it extorts local communities for tax funded stadiums. Also the NFL overseeing body has tax exempt status, it pays no taxes on the millions of dollars per year in dues and assessments it receives from teams who then get to write off those payments on their own taxes. The NFL gets a pretty sickening amount of federal subsidy support.

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:35:14pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards..Well crap.. Looks like we are going to hit the news again today.. Wildfires everywhere.. There is a high school in Noble by the fire..It is coming this direction...Couple of miles away now...

Stay safe. Speaking of fire? Fire the housekeeper.

61 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:35:50pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Except there often is federal input in the way of tax breaks and other incentives are given for construction projects...

and via the courts during strikes...etc
I overspoke myself...my bad

63 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:36:30pm

re: #53 albusteve

those are local issues...I'm sure you can rip apart a statement that says no federal input...

So the NFL and AFL provide their own stadium security and investigations to help prevent terrorist acts during one of their games? They also fly outside of FAA jurisdictions and avoid any airport supported by the government? And I'm sure that also includes avoiding Federal interstate highway. Tell me then in this Ron Paul moment you're having how football could survive without the infrastructure provided to them, like the rest of us, by the Federal government.

64 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:37:15pm

theres a bunch of em on the corner up the street from me. i'm always conflicted between safe driving and wanting to flip them off with both fingers each time i go by.

65 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:37:24pm

Holy shit this is really horrible. Not for the squeamish. Seriously. You've been warned.

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

66 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:38:14pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards..Well crap.. Looks like we are going to hit the news again today.. Wildfires everywhere.. There is a high school in Noble by the fire..It is coming this direction...Couple of miles away now...

The neighborhood next to mine is being evacuated now. It's a grass fire so far, no buildings have burned at this point....

67 Bear  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:38:17pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hope you and Winston have the car all ready to go should it be necessary. Take care.

68 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:38:56pm

re: #57 albusteve

and what do you spend on movie and video game fantasy?...foolishness is subjective

Actors are grossly overpaid compared to the people who do the actual work in the movies. No one went to see Transformers so they could watch Shia Lebouf run around with that "I just got slapped in the face with a penis" look he specializes in. I play video games, but I don't think anyone needs to be a professional gamer either.

69 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:39:50pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

The NFL is a parasite, it extorts local communities for tax funded stadiums. Also the NFL overseeing body has tax exempt status, it pays no taxes on the millions of dollars per year in dues and assessments it receives from teams who then get to write off those payments on their own taxes. The NFL gets a pretty sickening amount of federal subsidy support.

teams makes deals, there are buyers and sellers like any other business... extortion is illegal...because it's so popular is not their fault....if municipalities want to fund a stadium that's their business

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:39:54pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shia Lebouf got slapped in the face with a penis? Awesome!

71 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:40:26pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shia Lebouf got slapped in the face with a penis? Awesome!

Go to your room.

72 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:41:00pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shia Lebouf got slapped in the face with a penis? Awesome!

He's not happy about it.

Image: Shia-Labeouf.jpg

73 Bear  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:41:33pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

You too. Get away if it is wise to do so. Do not wait.

74 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:41:47pm

re: #61 albusteve

and via the courts during strikes...etc
I overspoke myself...my bad

Did you know that the NFL's overseeing body was considered a nonprofit and had tax exempt status? Does that seem right to you?

75 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:42:39pm

re: #63 Gus 802

So the NFL and AFL provide their own stadium security and investigations to help prevent terrorist acts during one of their games? They also fly outside of FAA jurisdictions and avoid any airport supported by the government? And I'm sure that also includes avoiding Federal interstate highway. Tell me then in this Ron Paul moment you're having how football could survive without the infrastructure provided to them, like the rest of us, by the Federal government.

I said I overspoke...what more do you want...that's hardly the sort of federal regulation or intervention I was alluding to

76 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:44:29pm

re: #75 albusteve

I said I overspoke...what more do you want...that's hardly the sort of federal regulation or intervention I was alluding to

Again, how about the tax exempt status of the overseeing body, and the tax write off teams get for their dues and assessments? How is that not federal subsidy support?

77 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:45:07pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As a Rightie (apathetic to abortion since I lack the equipment to need one) I think that to protest abortion within the law is a constitutional right.

But harassing women (girls) who are entering and leaving is beyond the pale.

Don't be apathetic. Support the fight to keep abortion safe and legal. Women everywhere will be grateful. Or dead if they lose the right.

78 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:45:12pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Did you know that the NFL's overseeing body was considered a nonprofit and had tax exempt status? Does that seem right to you?

makes me no difference....politicians are fans too...what is an overseeing body and who are they?

79 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:45:53pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Again, how about the tax exempt status of the overseeing body, and the tax write off teams get for their dues and assessments? How is that not federal subsidy support?

you're already behind Elvis

80 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:47:23pm

re: #73 Bear

You too. Get away if it is wise to do so. Do not wait.

Mr. w is at home getting the cat carrier ready. I'm 3/4 of a mile away at work, thinking I should go home, but waiting to hear from him. Bad part is, we are temporarily without a vehicle.

81 laZardo  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:47:44pm

Off to work, BBL

82 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:47:46pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards..Well crap.. Looks like we are going to hit the news again today.. Wildfires everywhere.. There is a high school in Noble by the fire..It is coming this direction...Couple of miles away now...

re: #66 wrenchwench

The neighborhood next to mine is being evacuated now. It's a grass fire so far, no buildings have burned at this point...

Stay safe.

83 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:49:31pm

re: #78 albusteve

makes me no difference...politicians are fans too...what is an overseeing body and who are they?

You know the NFL commissioner? That guy heads the overseeing (governing) body, the NFL. His organization, though funded almost exclusively by the for profit activity of teams, is considered a nonprofit, thus pays no taxes and this allows the teams to write of their dues and assessments. So your argument that the NFL receives no federal support is complete and utter crap.

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:49:46pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Serious question. How the fuck did he ever get famous?

85 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:51:04pm

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Serious question. How the fuck did he ever get famous?

Special effects.

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:51:10pm

re: #46 albusteve

it's a $10b industry that makes money on it's own without federal input, other then to waive all the antitrust bullshit the league has been attacked for...I love the feds

No, but they use state-funded college athletic programs as a training program
...

87 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:51:45pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Mr. w is at home getting the cat carrier ready. I'm 3/4 of a mile away at work, thinking I should go home, but waiting to hear from him. Bad part is, we are temporarily without a vehicle.

Cat carrier?
Surely you mean hooman carrier.
Right?
Image: evil-cat.jpg

88 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:53:58pm

Maru's cat carrier.
Heh.
Image: 201103121.jpg

89 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:54:01pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

Cat carrier?
Surely you mean hooman carrier.
Right?
Image: evil-cat.jpg

I'm afraid teh hoomans are much faster than teh kittehs.

90 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:55:30pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

You know the NFL commissioner? That guy heads the overseeing (governing) body, the NFL. His organization, though funded almost exclusively by the for profit activity of teams, is considered a nonprofit, thus pays no taxes and this allows the teams to write of their dues and assessments. So your argument that the NFL receives no federal support is complete and utter crap.

I already said it was...grab a napkin and wipe away the drool...I made my point and you made yours....to be more clear, certainly the NFL is involved with the feds regarding taxes, subsidies, unions, court matters etc, but they do not regulate the product nor do they dictate where it's played, or how much is earned and spent...to say that the NFL is a parasite just implicates all parasites in business...at least the feds didn't toss away a half billion on some futile green loan on the Redskins

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:56:45pm

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I feel terrible. Just read the kid's Wiki page. Had a terrible, terrible upbringing. Rose above it. I should be ashamed.

Oh, and his parents were hippies.

92 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:59:01pm

At the risk of being rude and going O.T., the Northern San Fernando Valley just had a 4.2 earthquake at 1:47pm, I sent a text to RWC right afterwards and predicted a 4.0. I was real close! All's well here, no damage. Just thought I'd pop in with the news flash...

93 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 1:59:45pm

re: #92 Dragon_Lady

At the risk of being rude and going O.T., the Northern San Fernando Valley just had a 4.2 earthquake at 1:47pm, I sent a text to RWC right afterwards and predicted a 4.0. I was real close! All's well here, no damage. Just thought I'd pop in with the news flash...

I SURVIVED A 5.8!
XD
How ya doin?

94 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:00:22pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actors are grossly overpaid compared to the people who do the actual work in the movies. No one went to see Transformers so they could watch Shia Lebouf run around with that "I just got slapped in the face with a penis" look he specializes in. I play video games, but I don't think anyone needs to be a professional gamer either.

the video game racket is probably worth more than pro football....wtf are you trying to say?...that the people that make that shit are not professional?....they spend a lot and make a lot so you can stare into your Xbox all night and push buttons....it's all the same

95 Coracle  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:00:24pm

re: #92 Dragon_Lady

At the risk of being rude and going O.T., the Northern San Fernando Valley just had a 4.2 earthquake at 1:47pm, I sent a text to RWC right afterwards and predicted a 4.0. I was real close! All's well here, no damage. Just thought I'd pop in with the news flash...

Dang. You'll have to come here out east if you want to experience a real earthquake.

/

96 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:01:35pm

re: #94 albusteve

the video game racket is probably worth more than pro football...wtf are you trying to say?...that the people that make that shit are not professional?...they spend a lot and make a lot so you can stare into your Xbox all night and push buttons...it's all the same

No, Steve. He said "gamer." As in the people who actually play the games.

97 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:02:56pm

re: #96 JasonA

No, Steve. He said "gamer." As in the people who actually play the games.

football fans are not paid....what's your point

98 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:03:04pm

re: #92 Dragon_Lady

At the risk of being rude and going O.T., the Northern San Fernando Valley just had a 4.2 earthquake at 1:47pm, I sent a text to RWC right afterwards and predicted a 4.0. I was real close! All's well here, no damage. Just thought I'd pop in with the news flash...

Shake and Bake baby!

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:06:17pm

re: #92 Dragon_Lady

Shake, Shake, Shake Senora, Shake your body line-a.
Shake, Shake, Shake Senora, Shake it all the time-a.

100 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:06:32pm

another 30min of exercise...
bbl

101 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:06:38pm

re: #97 albusteve

football fans are not paid...what's your point

I give up.

102 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:06:54pm
103 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:08:04pm

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shake, Shake, Shake Senora, Shake your body line-a.
Shake, Shake, Shake Senora, Shake it all the time-a.

My wife will say "Shake, shake, shake..." to me at odd times, like in a grocery store or at the airport, and I will stop and shake my booty for her.

104 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:08:31pm

re: #97 albusteve

football fans are not paid enough to watch that sport...what's your point

105 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:08:36pm

I'm doing well, this isn't my first earthquake. the Northridge Quake nearly shook us outta bed, only RWC pinning me down kept me from hitting the floor with a very rude thump, it broke all of our drinking glasses and we had to go out and buy more.What a mess! We had a few new neighbor from out of state and their screaming was something to behold, you'd think they were being killed! Sheesh, what a bunch of babies, they refused to go back inside for two days afterward.
When I was a kid the Sylmar Quake literally shook my entire family out of their beds and the Landers Quake was a real wake up call! Shake rattle and roll, that's us La La Landers!

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:08:56pm

re: #103 darthstar

My wife will say "Shake, shake, shake..." to me at odd times, like in a grocery store or at the airport, and I will stop and shake my booty for her.

Funny. My wife says, "Stop, Stop, Stop"...

107 Gus  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:09:14pm

Another failure.

New version of missile interceptor fails first test

(Reuters) - A new version of the SM-3 interceptor used in the U.S. ballistic missile defense program failed to hit a target in its first test on Thursday in an initial setback for its advanced steering systems.

The Missile Defense Agency said the interceptor -- a Raytheon Standard Missile 3 Block 1B -- was unable to achieve the intercept of a ballistic missile target during a test over the Pacific Ocean near Hawaii at 3:53 a.m.

The sea-based interceptor was fired from the USS Lake Erie at a short-range ballistic missile target that was launched from a Navy range on Kauai. The interceptor is a kinetic warhead designed to pulverize a target by smashing into it -- like a bullet hitting a bullet...

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:09:28pm

re: #102 darthstar

awesome.

109 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:09:38pm

re: #103 darthstar

My wife will say "Shake, shake, shake..." to me at odd times, like in a grocery store or at the airport, and I will stop and shake my booty for her.

Oh to be a fly on the wall with a video recorder!

110 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:10:02pm

re: #103 darthstar

My wife will say "Shake, shake, shake..." to me at odd times, like in a grocery store or at the airport, and I will stop and shake my booty for her.

111 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:10:53pm

The fire is at the city limits of Norman..It is getting close..
I'll tell you the money shot of this evening news..
When the fire reached the edge of the Noble High school there is a helicopter shot of all the kids running to their cars and school buses.. It looks like pure panic...The wind is picking up around here

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:12:08pm

re: #111 HoosierHoops

They're just leaving? That's fuckin' nuts! Who's their principal? Nagin?

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:12:43pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

I SURVIVED A 5.8!
XD
How ya doin?

Loma Prieta, bitches. That was an earthquake.

Bunch a wussies.
/

114 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:12:52pm
115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:13:56pm

re: #102 darthstar

Heh...

I wish Charles would "thread" that. Not all Christians are nuts.

116 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:14:34pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Loma Prieta, bitches. That was an earthquake.

Bunch a wussies.
/

Heh. I was there for that one. Quite a ride.

117 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:15:01pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

I SURVIVED A 5.8!
XD
How ya doin?

I survived a 5.8 earthquake and a Cat-1 hurricane, all in the same week. Any moment now, I expect an asteroid to come right down on my front yard.

118 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:16:02pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wish Charles would "thread" that. Not all Christians are nuts.

That sign is from this site. You can make it say anything.

And I agree, not all Christians are nuts.

119 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:16:03pm

re: #111 HoosierHoops

The fire is at the city limits of Norman..It is getting close..
I'll tell you the money shot of this evening news..
When the fire reached the edge of the Noble High school there is a helicopter shot of all the kids running to their cars and school buses.. It looks like pure panic...The wind is picking up around here

((Hoosier)) I'm sorry your going through that, when I was 8 or 9 I can remember the entire San Fernando Valley being ringed with fire, it was very, very scary! My Dad was on the board of directors of a local Little League Baseball Club and a herd of horses got out on the fields and panicked, two dozed of them had to be put down... I cried for days. I know what your going through.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:16:41pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

oh.

122 darthstar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:17:10pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I survived a 5.8 earthquake and a Cat-1 hurricane, all in the same week. Any moment now, I expect an asteroid to come right down on my front yard.

Bare-hand it, like a drunken fan at a baseball game...then throw it back...to space.

123 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:17:16pm

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

oh.

Refresh for the edit.

124 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:17:31pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Loma Prieta, bitches. That was an earthquake.

Bunch a wussies.
/

Yes it was, I remember it quit well. My nerves were rattled for days afterwards.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:17:39pm

re: #116 Rightwingconspirator

Yup. Instead of ripples or shaking, the ground just hopped up and down. Nearly bonked my head on the ceiling three times before I got to the door jamb. Good times.

126 recusancy  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:17:44pm
127 recusancy  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:17:59pm
128 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:19:17pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

That sign is from this site. You can make it say anything.

And I agree, not all Christians are nuts.

A church in my neighborhood had on their sign:

"Forgive your enemies...it really messes with their heads."

129 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:20:23pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Loma Prieta, bitches. That was an earthquake.

Bunch a wussies.
/

Please. You obviously weren't there for the SGR 1806-20 starquake.
Magnitude?
32.
:P

130 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:21:39pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Loma Prieta, bitches. That was an earthquake.

Bunch a wussies.
/

I remember we were trying to figure out why the water was sloshing out of the pool. We were down in Los Angeles.

131 blueraven  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:24:06pm

re: #46 albusteve

it's a $10b industry that makes money on it's own without federal input, other then to waive all the antitrust bullshit the league has been attacked for...I love the feds

Right! Maybe not Federal but state and local.

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost was $1.15 billion,[14] making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[14][15] and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.[16]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


ALSO eminent domain:
Article I, Section 17 of the Texas State Constitution states:

"No person's property shall be taken, damaged or destroyed for or applied to public use without adequate compensation being made, ... and no irrevocable or uncontrollable grant of special privileges or immunities, shall be made"

In the case of the Dallas Cowboys, the previous landowners of 17 properties that now make up the stadium grounds alleged that the city condemned their property and then provided that property to the football team in a deal that would give the team uncontrollable authority. The city is set to own the stadium and the land, however, the team would be the "de facto" owner and operator of the facilities. The landowners and their attorneys argue that this is tantamount to an "irrevocable and uncontrollable grant of special privileges" to a private company. They are not, however, arguing that the amount paid to them was inadequate.

Interestingly, the decision by the Texas Supreme Court came only days after Texas Governor Rick Perry signed legislation that would bring a referendum to the voters on the issue of eminent domain. Since 2005, the Governor and Texas Legislature have been taking steps to limit the power of local governments with regard to eminent domain.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Dallas Cowboys and eminent domain - Houston Law and Politics | Examiner.com [Link: www.examiner.com...]

132 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:24:32pm

re: #124 Dragon_Lady


hey Lady

LTNS!!!
Finally wrestle the puter away from that bum you're with??
(actually, he told me you've been spending lots of time in the garden)

133 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:24:41pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember we were trying to figure out why the water was sloshing out of the pool. We were down in Los Angeles.

I'm still waiting for the big one to hit... heck it may never hit. But if it does we'll be 6 to 8 inches or so closer to being a suburb of San Francisco!

134 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:24:42pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

Please. You obviously weren't there for the SGR 1806-20 starquake.
Magnitude?
32.
:P

Which equals 1.5×1043 tons of tnt.
That's a lot of boom.

135 freetoken  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:24:51pm

Shot off a beach in La Jolla... spot the sharkyyy....

136 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:25:06pm

re: #120 darthstar

CNN trying to keep the Republican Primary as big a circus as possible - inviting both a clown and a bearded lady to their Sept 12 debate.

Why does it seem as though every single tradition associated with politics in this country is being killed off?

Another four years of this and the political system we all grew up with will be completely unrecognizable.

137 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:25:48pm

re: #135 freetoken

Shot off a beach in La Jolla... spot the sharkyyy...

"I don't have to swim faster than a shark
I just have to swim faster than you!"

138 recusancy  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:26:19pm

Whatever it is Obama is doing, it's not working

Bottom line, if Obama's approach to governing was proving popular, then there'd be little fault. If triangulating against liberals bolstered his numbers with independents, then that'd be cool! Heck, if slapping my first-born in the face bumped his numbers up with independents, I'd tolerate it. But it's not. His current approach isn't working. Capitulating to the GOP on matters big (and small) only reinforce the notion that he's weak. No one cares that he's the "grownup" in the room. No one cares that he's "reasonable" or "compromising" or "serious."

...

Look, we all need Obama reelected in 2012. Sure there's an idiot fringe who fantasizes about a primary challenge, but bottom line, the president has to win next year. It would be nice if his reelection could be assured because of strong and effective leadership, as opposed to hoping he survives thanks to whatever deranged candidate the GOP primary electorate vomits up. In other words, it'd be nice if the electorate voted for him as opposed to against the GOP.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:26:28pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was up in the Bay Area. It pretty well sucked, I tell ya.

I was a teen at the time. I was trying to get my mom off her butt and an moving 'cuz we had somewhere to be, and as I was pestering her the quake hit.

All she could talk about for weeks after the quake is how I could have got us all killed.

140 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:27:01pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

hey Lady

LTNS!!!
Finally wrestle the puter away from that bum you're with??
(actually, he told me you've been spending lots of time in the garden)

The bum is at work, and yeah I do spend a lot of time in my garden. Only my garden is in the front window of our apartment, I now have over 80 orchids to keep happy. Most of them are miniatures no bigger than 3" across so they take up a lot of my time.

141 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:27:37pm

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Loma Prieta, bitches. That was an earthquake.

Bunch a wussies.
/

I'll never forget that Quake.. I was in San Leandro that day and drove like a mad man to get to the start of the World Series.. I passed through the Cypress point freeway about 30 minutes before it collapsed..It was never rebuilt.. I was one of the last to drive under the double decker freeway...

142 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:27:52pm

Lest we forget.

This is the only one I didn't sleep through or otherwise not notice.

I'll see your 6.8 and raise it to 7.3.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:27:54pm

re: #133 Dragon_Lady

I'm still waiting for the big one to hit... heck it may never hit. But if it does we'll be 6 to 8 inches or so closer to being a suburb of San Francisco!

The Yellowstone Caldera is like Chuck Norris. Not sleeping; just waiting...

144 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:28:09pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

HEY ,,, how many times must we tell you to clean up after yourself!!
[Link: www.space.com...]


Space Junk Problem Is More Threatening Than Ever

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:28:29pm

re: #139 Slumbering Behemoth

If I was your parent I would have said, "See what you did?!?!"

146 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:28:29pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

Which equals 1.5×1043 tons of tnt.
That's a lot of boom.

I needed a big calculator for this one.

15 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000

147 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:28:58pm

re: #140 Dragon_Lady

The bum is at work, and yeah I do spend a lot of time in my garden. Only my garden is in the front window of our apartment, I now have over 80 orchids to keep happy. Most of them are miniatures no bigger than 3" across so they take up a lot of my time.

Way cool

I want/need a picture sometime (and leave the bum out of it)

((btw ,, say HI to him for me))

148 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:29:22pm

re: #138 recusancy

Whatever it is Obama is doing, it's not working

Yeah, that was my train of thought last night. The idea that giving the bully what he wants makes the bully less popular is asinine, especially when you were put in office to overturn everything the bully put into place to begin with. Being the "adult" means little if the children are running all over your ass, whether it be on the floor of Congress or on the nightly news.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:30:28pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

That was horrible. So many people died. Glad you weren't one of them.

150 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:31:22pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I was your parent I would have said, "See what you did?!?!"

That was kinda like what my older cousin always said to me.
We'd at the top of the hill on bikes. He would tell me to go down 1st. After I (the guinea pig) got to the bottom (proving to him it was safe) he would come down
Half way down he would fall off the bike and yell SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!

151 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:31:56pm

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Yellowstone Caldera is like Chuck Norris. Not sleeping; just waiting...

Oh yeah, like I wanna live through an eruption of that sleeping monster! One super volcano eruption can ruin your whole century! More likely Big Bear or Lake Arrowhead will be next, they have had a increase in earthquake activity and carbon dioxide emissions up there for the last decade or so. Not so dormant after all, now are they?

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:32:17pm

Back to work. Laters.

153 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:33:47pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Way cool

I want/need a picture sometime (and leave the bum out of it)

((btw ,, say HI to him for me))

Sure! BTW he's on line right now and probably saw that...*smirk*

154 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:35:02pm

re: #153 Dragon_Lady

Sure! BTW he's on line right now and probably saw that...*smirk*

oh ,,, umm,,, errr,,, HI !!!! Move a little to the left. You're blocking an orchid!!!

:)

155 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:36:01pm

Televangelist posting prayers on FB in tongues

In the third post, published about a minute later, the "tongues" text started to appear:

GIRD THEM UP IN THE SPIRIT...GIVE THEM A MIND TO PRAY LIKE NEVER BEFORE....WE CALL ON YOU JESUS....YOU ARE OUR HELP AND OUR HOPE!!!!!!!!NDHDIUBGUGTRUCGNRTUGTIGRTIGRGBNRDRGNGGJNRIC YOU ARE OUR HELP AND OUR HOPE....RFSCNGUGHURGVHKTGHDKUNHSTNSVHGN YOU GOD......YOU ARE OUR HELP AND OUR HOPE!!!!!! OUR HOPE IS IN YOU FATHER......OUR STRENGTH FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS IS IN YOU FATHER......HELP US NOW......LORD WE DONT ASK FOR HELP FOR JUST THEM....THIS IS US....THIS IS A PART OF OUR OWN BODY.....

Several prayer posts with intelligible spellings continued to appear and visitors to Bynum's Facebook page began questioning the text.

Bynum's prayer posts soon caught the attention of the media, with one reporter at a spirituality and faith website speculating that the minister was communicating "in tongues."

On one prayer post, visitor Cindy McCraw commented, expressing her agreement.

"I believe it's tongues (holy spirit). It's called praying in the Spirit," McCraw wrote.

Cthulhu approves.

156 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:36:09pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Way cool

I want/need a picture sometime (and leave the bum out of it)

((btw ,, say HI to him for me))

The bum is usually behind the camera.
LOL

157 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:36:38pm

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

The bum is usually behind the camera.
LOL

yeah ,, I hear ya

I have a face for radio myself!

158 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:36:45pm

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

The bum is usually behind the camera.
LOL

You just can't win, man.
/
:)

159 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:38:17pm

re: #151 Dragon_Lady

Oh yeah, like I wanna live through an eruption of that sleeping monster! One super volcano eruption can ruin your whole century! More likely Big Bear or Lake Arrowhead will be next, they have had a increase in earthquake activity and carbon dioxide emissions up there for the last decade or so. Not so dormant after all, now are they?

Its not the volcano, but the Verneshot you have to watch out for.

160 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:38:33pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

yeah ,, I hear ya

I have a face for radio myself!

See, told ya so! No getting away from him. He knew 'bout the quake and told me to pop in and report it to y'all. ;-)

161 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:38:45pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Televangelist posting prayers on FB in tongues

Cthulhu approves.

That's not speaking in tongues. That's typing in fingers. Or else it's the cat.

162 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:40:43pm

re: #160 Dragon_Lady

See, told ya so! No getting away from him. He knew 'bout the quake and told me to pop in and report it to y'all. ;-)

Why. Was he too busy hiding under the bed?

163 freetoken  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:41:08pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm... is their a Unicode set aside for "tongues"?

164 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:41:35pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"If he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'Argh', he'd just say it!"
"Perhaps he was dictating?"

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:41:40pm

Shoulder says it's time to put the mouse down and find something else to do. Peace out, y'all.

166 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:42:33pm

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its not the volcano, but the Verneshot you have to watch out for.

Gee, I've been studying geology and vulcanology as an amateur for decades and I'd never heard of that! Goes to show you learn something new everyday after all! Thanks!
Hmm, maybe not so much. Now I'm gonna be having nightmares for a few days over that one. *sigh*

167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:43:02pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I survived a 5.8 earthquake and a Cat-1 hurricane, all in the same week. Any moment now, I expect an asteroid to come right down on my front yard.

Is that scheduled before, or after, the locusts?

168 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:43:28pm

re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth

Shoulder says it's time to put the mouse down and find something else to do. Peace out, y'all.

Ice and rest

169 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:43:45pm

re: #162 sattv4u2

Why. Was he too busy hiding under the bed?

Nooo, he's at work. I sent him a text about the earthquake, remember? Silly!

170 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:44:31pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Hate to go OT here so soon but Charles did you see this over at Hot Air? Howard Portnoy suggests that liberals are ignoring the "science" on "race and intelligence" and comes to this conclusion:

IOW. Hot Air is promoting an alleged limitation of intelligence of blacks as an "inborn limitation."

Filth. This isn't even The Bell Curve, this is just old-fashioned racism, with some tu quoque thrown in.

171 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:45:53pm

re: #169 Dragon_Lady

Nooo, he's at work. I sent him a text about the earthquake, remember? Silly!

At my age, if you told me more than three seconds ago ,, NO!!!

So,, he's hiding under his DESK then, huh!

172 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:46:38pm

re: #169 Dragon_Lady

re: #171 sattv4u2

At my age, if you told me more than three seconds ago ,, NO!!!

So,, he's hiding under his DESK then, huh!

anyone seen my pants?

173 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:46:51pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Filth. This isn't even The Bell Curve, this is just old-fashioned racism, with some tu quoque thrown in.

eugenics raising it's ugly head....that myth was killed years ago, but Sanger lives apparently

174 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:47:13pm

re: #167 oaktree

Is that scheduled before, or after, the locusts?

Locusts already came and went. Though, round these parts, we call them "tourists."

/

175 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:47:33pm

W.Va. man streaked at NASCAR event, had wild raccoon in his car
[Link: www.wvgazette.com...]

The jokes, they just write themselves sometimes!

176 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:47:47pm

re: #172 sattv4u2

re: #171 sattv4u2

anyone seen my pants?

*Face Palm*

177 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:48:25pm

re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Locusts already came and went. Though, round these parts, we call them "tourists."

/

who pay the rent

178 jaunte  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:48:41pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Consider their fondness for parading lists of signatories from the science community who swear on a stack of Bibles (whoops! Make that a copy of Darwin) that, for example, humans have the capacity to effect major planetary change.

Derpity derp.

179 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:48:41pm

re: #176 Dragon_Lady

*Face Palm*

Who are you,, and what have you done with that nice lady I was talking too!??!

180 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:50:13pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Who are you,, and what have you done with that nice lady I was talking too!??!

Meesa no no, whosa are yousa? // LOL

181 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:50:50pm

re: #177 albusteve

who pay the rent

Nah, Navy pays the rent, the beach is just there for pocket change. If Oceana shut down this year, by next, this city would be a ghost town.

182 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:51:40pm

re: #180 Dragon_Lady

Meesa no no, whosa are yousa? // LOL

Jar Jar? KILL IT WITH FIRE!

183 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:52:26pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jar Jar? KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

184 albusteve  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:53:51pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, Navy pays the rent, the beach is just there for pocket change. If Oceana shut down this year, by next, this city would be a ghost town.

tourists would love that....don't think they come to look at you...have you ever toured?

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:53:56pm

re: #178 jaunte

Derpity derp.

Those Evil Tricksey Scientists!!1 They're using the lies of evolution and global warming to destroy Christianity and enslave Real Americans!!11 They should be proving [n-word plural] are inferior, so we can get back to enslaving THEM!!!11

186 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:54:17pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jar Jar? KILL IT WITH FIRE!

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Awww, why ya wanna do dat? I's just funnin Y'all!

187 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:55:07pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

But he can live underwater. Best bet is to have Varek use his Death Star to destroy the whole planet.

188 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:55:55pm

re: #184 albusteve

tourists would love that...don't think they come to look at you...have you ever toured?

Tourists may love it, sure, they never stray too far from the beach. The locals, at least those who don't have a vested interest in tourism, would disappear like roaches. The majority of the businesses outside the beach are meant to cater to the military families living here. The military pulls out, those businesses die, and there's nothing keeping folks living here.

189 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:56:18pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Virus bombing with an orbital lance strike to ignite the decomposition gases, followed by cyclonic torpedoes along fault lines.

190 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:56:26pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

But he can live underwater. Best bet is to have Varek use his Death Star to destroy the whole planet.

umm,, errrr
Not until he cleans up his OTHER messes

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

191 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 2:59:42pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

umm,, errr
Not until he cleans up his OTHER messes

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The Sith and their followers don't have a very good track record when it comes to responsible, economical world destruction.

192 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:01:59pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virus bombing with an orbital lance strike to ignite the decomposition gases, followed by cyclonic torpedoes along fault lines.

All Gungans are subject to Exterminatus.

193 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:03:31pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

All Gungans are subject to Exterminatus.

The Imperium can pull that off.

The Empire? Not so much.

194 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:04:12pm

Well Kids, I gotta take one of the cat overlords to the vet, she got hold of one of my hair bands, chewed it in half and swallowed it. Now I have to have a brave soul remove it from a place that can only be politely described as her bum. I'm not doing it, I'm too fond of my fingers. Later!

195 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:05:35pm

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Imperium can pull that off.

The Empire? Not so much.

2 words: Death Star

196 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:08:18pm

re: #195 ArchangelMichael

2 words: Death Star

2 Death Stars: 1 world successfully destroyed, followed by collapse of their rule after only 2 decades

Amateurs.

197 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:12:05pm

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They still could have stopped by Naboo before going to Alderaan. After that it wouldn't have mattered how amateurish or incompetent the Empire was as far as the 'getting rid of the Gungans' objective was concerned.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:17:36pm

re: #173 albusteve

eugenics raising it's ugly head...that myth was killed years ago, but Sanger lives apparently

Churchill, Teddy Roosevelt, H.G. Wells and George Bernard Shaw as well.

(Margaret Sanger is not one of my favorite people, but the attempts of people to associate her with eugenics as though it had not been an acceptable and fashionable belief in its day, and as though her work did not help women, irks me.)

199 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:20:45pm

re: #197 ArchangelMichael

They still could have stopped by Naboo before going to Alderaan. After that it wouldn't have mattered how amateurish or incompetent the Empire was as far as the 'getting rid of the Gungans' objective was concerned.

Agreed. Maybe Palpatine had a soft spot where his home world was concerned.

200 Kragar  Thu, Sep 1, 2011 3:23:37pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Maybe Palpatine had a soft spot where his home world was concerned.

Another mark against the Empire. They were overly concerned with needless sentimentality.


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