American Thinker: Registering Poor Voters is Like Giving Burglary Tools to Criminals

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The right wing rhetoric just keeps getting cruder, and the policy suggestions crazier, until today we end up with Matthew Vadum’s column for the far right American Thinker. The title tells you everything you need to know about this ugly article: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American.

Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?

Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.

Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country — which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.

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243 comments
1 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:34:35pm

"It is profoundly antisocial and un-American"

Voting. Un-American.

Voting

Do they even listen to themselves?

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:36:25pm

This almost reads like a parody of a crazed racist right winger. Unbelievable.

3 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:36:34pm

I'll say it again. This is racist.

4 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:37:32pm

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?...both parties exploit whoever they can...some become a tradition, a fact

5 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:37:59pm

The poor are probably the most productive sector of our economy, they have to be. No interest or dividends for them.

(Right-wing fail of the day?)

6 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:38:51pm

This fits in perfectly with the Rolling Stone piece that came out this week. As I pointed out in the Pages yesterday, the titular head of the GOP (Rush Limbaugh) REGULARLY opines that certain segments of the population should not have the right to vote.

7 jaunte  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:39:25pm

The American poor; also known as 'the customers that buy our products.'

8 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:39:27pm

Feel free to Tweet this at those racist assholes: @AmericanThinker

9 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:39:34pm

re: #4 albusteve

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?

I can very easily disagree with the notion that the poor having the right to vote is 'Un-American.'

Hell, Orwell wouldn't have tried getting away with that.

10 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:39:40pm

re: #4 albusteve

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?

Easily. Check the Constitution if you have any questions about it. The Heritage Foundation and the ACLU would both be glad to send you a free copy if you need to brush up.

11 Kragar  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:40:33pm

If restricting the vote to monied white land owners was good enough for our fore-fathers, who are we to change that?
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12 blueraven  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:40:36pm

re: #4 albusteve

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?...both parties exploit whoever they can...some become a tradition, a fact

Wait, what?

13 jaunte  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:41:00pm

"...particularly open to demagoguery and bribery."

Absolute projection.

14 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:41:28pm

re: #9 makeitstop

I can very easily disagree with the notion that the poor having the right to vote is 'Un-American.'

Hell, Orwell wouldn't have tried getting away with that.

I don't reject anybodies right to vote...but votes are bought and sold...the GOP buys votes by bashing gays for example

15 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:41:50pm

re: #3 Gus 802

I'll say it again. This is racist.

It all plays into the stereotype I've heard since the 70's, namely that the govt "steals" money from hard working white people and redistributes it to lazy blacks and Hispanics so they can leech off society.

Total bullshit and part of the ongoing culture war, and of course further fueled by TP rhetoric that Obama is a socialist and racist against whites.

16 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:41:57pm

re: #2 Charles

This almost reads like a parody of a crazed racist right winger. Unbelievable.

I posted on one of the Pages of this story with a statement by Vadum where he's congratulating Robert Stacy McCain on exposing the "evil" Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

17 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:43:55pm

People who think government is worthless shouldn't be allowed to vote or participate in its function.
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What an idiot.

18 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:44:09pm

re: #12 blueraven

Wait, what?

I have not addressed CJ's bolded statement...only that you vote your interests, it's only natural

19 zora  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:44:09pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If restricting the vote to monied white male land owners was good enough for our fore-fathers, who are we to change that?
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20 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:44:38pm

Nazis will be marching here tomorrow.

*Sigh*

21 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:44:52pm

re: #14 albusteve

I don't reject anybodies right to vote...but votes are bought and sold...the GOP buys votes by bashing gays for example

But rejecting an entire block of people's votes is what this crank is talking about. Saying that the Democrats do 'X' to get people to vote for them is just a half-assed justification on his part.

And another thing - can conservatives try making these arguments without invoking ACORN? ACORN is deader than Jimi Hendrix, already.

22 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:45:01pm

Poor People = Un-American
Rich People = True Americans

Oh I get it now.. I never saw that coming..
/

23 jaunte  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:45:09pm
The right wing rhetoric just keeps getting cruder, and the policy suggestions crazier

There will be a lot of thrashing on the way to discovering that big money ultimately can't outvote the majority.

24 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:45:22pm

re: #2 Charles

This almost reads like a parody of a crazed racist right winger. Unbelievable.

The comments are precious as well.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:46:52pm

re: #1 The Mountain That Blogs

"It is profoundly antisocial and un-American"

Voting. Un-American.

Voting

Do they even listen to themselves?

No.

26 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:47:10pm

re: #21 makeitstop

can conservatives try making these arguments without invoking ACORN? ACORN is deader than Jimi Hendrix, already.

They cannot do anything without a two minutes hate.

Well, they can, but they won't cuz they do not have to.

27 blueraven  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:47:25pm

re: #14 albusteve

I don't reject anybodies right to vote...but votes are bought and sold...the GOP buys votes by bashing gays for example

We are talking about registering citizens to vote, not opposing the other parties constituency.
Even bigots have the right to register to vote and no one in his right mind would say otherwise, or call it un-American.

There is plenty to disagree with here.

28 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:47:29pm

Voting for your interests.
SHOCKINGLY SHOCKING!!!
Wait...
No it isn't!

29 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:47:57pm

With the coalition government in Zimbabwe broken, what do you think happens there now?

Sorry for the OT.

30 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:48:20pm

re: #21 makeitstop

But rejecting an entire block of people's votes is what this crank is talking about. Saying that the Democrats do 'X' to get people to vote for them is just a half-assed justification on his part.

And another thing - can conservatives try making these arguments without invoking ACORN? ACORN is deader than Jimi Hendrix, already.

it's nonsense...another nutter getting some attention...you strive to give people what they want, then hopefully they vote for you

31 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:48:22pm

It looks even worse looking at the whole context. I guess Vadum is one of those people who will furious when the vote was granted regardless of property sharing in 1824.

32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:49:06pm

re: #2 Charles

This almost reads like a parody of a crazed racist right winger. Unbelievable.

Can't even parody whackodoodles anymore. 3 years ago, sure. Today? Tomorrow? No.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:49:20pm

re: #13 jaunte

"...particularly open to demagoguery and bribery."

Absolute projection.

A wealthy voter who votes for his or her best economic interests is sensibly helping the economy.

A poor voter who votes for his or her best economic interests is a leech.

You see how this works. And it works perfectly, if you assume that the financial interests of the rich are identical with the financial interests of the country.

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:49:21pm

re: #29 ProLifeLiberal

With the coalition government in Zimbabwe broken, what do you think happens there now?

Sorry for the OT.

It's Africa. People will die in horrible ways.

I really, really wish I were kidding.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:50:53pm

re: #29 ProLifeLiberal

With the coalition government in Zimbabwe broken, what do you think happens there now?

Sorry for the OT.

Nothing good.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I don't know enough about Zimbabwe to go in-depth.

I DO know enough about Zimbabwe to worry.

36 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:50:57pm

re: #30 albusteve

it's nonsense...another nutter getting some attention...you strive to give people what they want, then hopefully they vote for you

Sorry, it's more than that.
The GOP is passing laws making it harder for particular segments of this country to register to vote.
Particular segments that happen to vote D.
Funny, that.

37 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:51:47pm

The American right wing currently has all the people, tools and rhetoric to create their own 3rd world South American dictatorship. Seriously. That's what these people remind me of. They remind me of the military dictators of Argentina.

38 Lidane  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:52:29pm

re: #4 albusteve

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?

Easily. It's a vile, racist sentiment. Agreeing with it shows serious problems.

39 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:52:35pm

re: #6 bratwurst

This fits in perfectly with the Rolling Stone piece that came out this week. As I pointed out in the Pages yesterday, the titular head of the GOP (Rush Limbaugh) REGULARLY opines that certain segments of the population should not have the right to vote.

Well, at least that's consistent, in a perverse way, with the right's stated goal of LIMITED government.

40 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:52:47pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently, the forcible closure of the Libyan Embassy for defecting to the rebels caused enough discord in the Government to cause to coalition to break.

The people in the embassy escaped by car, and are being taken care of by Botswana.

41 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:52:50pm

re: #37 Gus 802

The American right wing currently has all the people, tools and rhetoric to create their own 3rd world South American dictatorship. Seriously. That's what these people remind me of. They remind me of the military dictators of Argentina.

The Processo, yes?

42 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:53:09pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

Sorry, it's more than that.
The GOP is passing laws making it harder for particular segments of this country to register to vote.
Particular segments that happen to vote D.
Funny, that.

Walker signs photo ID measure

43 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:53:13pm

re: #4 albusteve

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?...both parties exploit whoever they can...some become a tradition, a fact

You're joking, right? You have no problem whatsoever of taking away the ONLY real voice that the poor have of redressing any grievances that they might have?

44 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:54:06pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

Sorry, it's more than that.
The GOP is passing laws making it harder for particular segments of this country to register to vote.
Particular segments that happen to vote D.
Funny, that.

then unpass them

45 laZardo  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:54:45pm

I no longer have any respect for conservatives. Yes, the people, not just the ideology.

46 blueraven  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:54:52pm

re: #27 blueraven

We are talking about registering citizens to vote, not opposing the other parties constituency.
Even bigots have the right to register to vote and no one in his right mind would say otherwise, or call it un-American.

There is plenty to disagree with here.

In fact, the GOP is just mad because they cant really figure out how to do a mass voter registration drive for the bigot brigade. That wouldn't be seemly. They're jealous!

47 jaunte  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:55:01pm

re: #42 Amory Blaine

Spending money on a nonexistent problem is the new fiscal conservatism.

48 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:55:11pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

The Processo, yes?

They already love to torture people. There are huge similarities between the two groups. Including their secret love affair for Augusto Pinochet. 'It's spread far and wide since Kissinger's love affair with Pinochet.

49 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:55:47pm

re: #43 RadicalModerate

You're joking, right? You have no problem whatsoever of taking away the ONLY real voice that the poor have of redressing any grievances that they might have?

the bolded statement is racists and I reject it out of hand

50 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:56:49pm

The American right wing is the greatest threat to the American way of life since the threat of the Soviet Union.

Irony.

51 Lidane  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:57:39pm

re: #49 albusteve

But you're okay with the rest of the ignorance and racism in that statement. Lovely.

52 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:58:38pm

re: #44 albusteve

then unpass them

In some cases they will be. Others, not.
The underlying problem is the fascist ideology that passes them. You can't simply 'fix' that by undoing some of their damage.

53 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:58:51pm

Homeland Security should probably start a national registry of right wing bloggers.

"//"

54 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:59:28pm

re: #50 Gus 802

The American right wing is the greatest threat to the American way of life since the threat of the Soviet Union.

Irony.

more so imo...a Perry presidency with control of congress will be a disaster...epic...he will make the Reds look like pussyfooters

55 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:00:47pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

Sorry, it's more than that.
The GOP is passing laws making it harder for particular segments of this country to register to vote.
Particular segments that happen to vote D.
Funny, that.

The GOP has done this for a long time, notably with their constant opposition to "motor voter" laws. But it's getting more blatant now. It's not rocket science; the GOP knows that certain groups (young, poor, minorities) are less likely to vote when stricter requirements are enacted. The GOP also knows that demographic trends favor the Dems, hence the laws we're now seeing.

56 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:01:16pm

re: #51 Lidane

But you're okay with the rest of the ignorance and racism in that statement. Lovely.

not at all...the reality is that poor people vote for democrats...it's not a problem with me...they seem to be more compassionate

57 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:02:15pm

re: #48 Gus 802

They already love to torture people. There are huge similarities between the two groups. Including their secret love affair for Augusto Pinochet. 'It's spread far and wide since Kissinger's love affair with Pinochet.

It's true. When I engaged in the debate/discussion with conservatives, I found that many had no problem with Augusto Pinochet, why he was swell because he wasn't a Communist or leftist. I read about the Processo regime in a class I took last spring though. What a truly terrible dictatorship. I am glad that Videla is finally getting justice.

58 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:02:28pm

I am having a tiny glimmer of hope that this split of the coalition in Zimbabwe might be the beginning of the end for Mugabe.

59 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:02:48pm

re: #44 albusteve

then unpass them

Since the people who would be electing the folks passing the laws disenfranchising entire groups of people are rapidly finding themselves unable to vote, who's going to stand in their way?

(Outside of the courts, who wouldn't let this sort of racist crap stand for a millisecond)

60 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:02:57pm

You know, I gotta say, I love how people live in this fantasy world where they know with certainty that they will never be poor. Or were poor in the past, but think that they're "different" and so shouldn't be held to the same standard that they wish to impose on others.

61 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:02:59pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

In some cases they will be. Others, not.
The underlying problem is the fascist ideology that passes them. You can't simply 'fix' that by undoing some of their damage.

you have to play the cards you're dealt...I'm trying to see the way things are, not what I think they should be...all this splashy idealism does not lead to solutions

62 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:03:09pm

Haley Barbour relative defrauded FEMA after Katrina, judge rules

Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

63 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:05:28pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

Since the people who would be electing the folks passing the laws disenfranchising entire groups of people are rapidly finding themselves unable to vote, who's going to stand in their way?

(Outside of the courts, who wouldn't let this sort of racist crap stand for a millisecond)

don't know, but I have not given up hope...that's what's so intriguing about these next election cycles...if the majority of voters turn their backs on reality, the GOP wins out, then I'd expect the worst

64 blueraven  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:05:38pm

Speaking of stupid bigots. Tea Party congressman Joe Walsh (IL) said today on MSNBC, that Obama only got elected because of the "historical" value. Oh yeah, and he can not be bothered to attend the President's speech to the JS of congress on Thursday night.

In fact he said in effect, about Obama...who does he think he is?

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:06:30pm

re: #64 blueraven

Speaking of stupid bigots. Tea Party congressman Joe Walsh (IL) said today on MSNBc, that Obama only got elected because of the "historical" value. Oh yeah, and he can not be bothered to attend the President's speech to the JS of congress on Thursday night.

In fact he said in effect, about Obama...who does he think he is?

At least he said 'historical', rather than 'novelty'. That's somewhat better.

//

66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:07:12pm

re: #45 laZardo

I no longer have any respect for conservatives. Yes, the people, not just the ideology.

No point in respecting ideologies that do not respect me.

It's funny, though, they will demand respect of you in a hot second. Hilarious.

67 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:07:46pm

re: #64 blueraven

Speaking of stupid bigots. Tea Party congressman Joe Walsh (IL) said today on MSNBc, that Obama only got elected because of the "historical" value. Oh yeah, and he can not be bothered to attend the President's speech to the JS of congress on Thursday night.

In fact he said in effect, about Obama...who does he think he is?

The Fucking President of the United Fucking States.

68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:07:46pm

re: #63 albusteve

don't know, but I have not given up hope...that's what's so intriguing about these next election cycles...if the majority of voters turn their backs on reality, the GOP wins out, then I'd expect the worst

In your view, what's the worst?

69 jaunte  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:07:57pm

re: #64 blueraven

Walsh is the deadbeat dad, right?

70 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:08:03pm

It's a Great Time to Be Racist
Let's face it: There's only one explanation for some of the attacks on President Obama.
By: Nsenga Burton

Excerpts:

Racists have officially lost their minds. In recent weeks, the venom spewed at President Barack Obama would leave one to believe that we are in the midst of a racist renaissance. "A dick," "jackass," "tar baby, "your boy" -- you name it and the president has been called it. For some reason, some people are so enraged by how this country is purportedly being run that they cannot separate a real critique of the president's decisions from mean-spirited name-calling related to his race.

...

The racial climate is suffocating and getting worse. Every other week, another politician or pundit is apologizing for making what he or she keeps calling inappropriate comments about President Obama. But what these people call inappropriate, insulting or partisan, I call racist -- a term that describes abusive or aggressive behavior toward a member of another race based on the belief that some races have an intrinsic superiority over others. If this is not what we're witnessing, then I don't know what it is.

Paged by me.

71 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:08:03pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

At least he said 'historical', rather than 'novelty'. That's somewhat better.

//

2X the cred....
spot

72 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:08:45pm

re: #64 blueraven

Speaking of stupid bigots. Tea Party congressman Joe Walsh (IL) said today on MSNBc, that Obama only got elected because of the "historical" value. Oh yeah, and he can not be bothered to attend the President's speech to the JS of congress on Thursday night.

In fact he said in effect, about Obama...who does he think he is?

He's just bitter because he's going to be a small footnote in history while Obama will be remembered. Hell he's not even going to be the most famous Joe Walsh in history.Plus the guy's a complete bullshit artist. Lectures others on "fiscal responsibility" while he can't be bothered to pay child support, great job Joe!

73 blueraven  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:09:29pm

re: #69 jaunte

Walsh is the deadbeat dad, right?

Right. He also called the President a liar and an idiot.

74 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:10:18pm

re: #68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In your view, what's the worst?

a racist, bigoted neotheocracy...they are pushing hard now, some winners, some losers but the writing is on the wall...when you have both the wealth of votes and God on your side....the sky is the limit....makes me a bit nervous

75 Lidane  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:13:35pm

re: #70 Gus 802

It's a Great Time to Be Racist
Let's face it: There's only one explanation for some of the attacks on President Obama.
By: Nsenga Burton

Well, duh. It's called the White House for a reason.

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76 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:14:03pm

re: #74 albusteve

Me too.

77 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:14:10pm

my vowel keys are worn away...that's my excuse for poor whatever

78 jaunte  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:15:05pm

re: #73 blueraven

He's a lowlife creep, surprised to be onstage.

79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:15:26pm

re: #74 albusteve

a racist, bigoted neotheocracy...they are pushing hard now, some winners, some losers but the writing is on the wall...when you have both the wealth of votes and God on your side...the sky is the limit...makes me a bit nervous

Well, take heart. It doesn't have to turn out that way -- we've stemmed tides of seething theocratic bigots worse than today's crop, for generations. It's already been worse, so it's not inevitable.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:15:33pm

So the poor voting their interests: unacceptable!

The rich and powerful buying politicians outright to vote their interests: totally awesome!

81 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:16:32pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Hell he's not even going to be the most famous Joe Walsh in history.

Compared to the other Joe Walsh he's just an Ordinary Average Guy.

82 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:16:54pm

re: #15 palomino

It all plays into the stereotype I've heard since the 70's, namely that the govt "steals" money from hard working white people and redistributes it to lazy blacks and Hispanics so they can leech off society.

Total bullshit and part of the ongoing culture war, and of course further fueled by TP rhetoric that Obama is a socialist and racist against whites.

If you want to get technical, the government does take money from some and give it to others. But one of the purposes of government is to protect the weak. In a decent conservative society, say, 1950's Kansas, there would be no unrepaired cleft palates or club feet in children because the doctors would take it upon themselves to share around the work of doing the simple but necessary surgery for free.

In a decent liberal society, say, I'd guess, Oregon today, again the children would get the surgery, but for a different reason. Government would collect the money and then pay the surgeons to do it. Either way, it gets done.

What we have with Am. Thinker is a call for an indecent society. If the poor don't vote, who will know what's on their minds and what they really want? There will always be up-and-coming political types who say they speak for the poor. If they're elected by the poor, then they do in fact speak for the poor. Otherwise, how can we know?

Conservatives in the spirit of Hayek, Friedman, and Mills can only find this screed sickening.

83 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:19:05pm

re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, take heart. It doesn't have to turn out that way -- we've stemmed tides of seething theocratic bigots worse than today's crop, for generations. It's already been worse, so it's not inevitable.

I tend to think it isn't in the long run...somehow the current GOP needs to be knocked out...it's up to the electorate whom I have little faith in....not because they are racists, but because they are stupid...AmIdol rules and we need to get back down to earth....maybe extended hardship will enlighten them that their party is killing us all

84 DeepBlue  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:20:40pm

"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." - Thomas Jefferson

85 Lidane  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:21:26pm

re: #82 lostlakehiker

Conservatives in the spirit of Hayek, Friedman, and Mills don't exist anymore.

FTFY

These days, conservative thought doesn't rise above the level of howler monkeys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levin, and Savage. This screed from American Thinker is proof.

86 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:22:50pm

100.4 °F

Klunk...

87 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:23:24pm

re: #85 Lidane

FTFY

These days, conservative thought doesn't rise above the level of howler monkeys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levin, and Savage. This screed from American Thinker is proof.

then the donks need to do something about it besides complain

88 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:25:53pm

re: #86 Gus 802

100.4 °F

Klunk...

it's a mild 96 here in ABQ...it's been 95 to over 100 for three months down here, and dry as a bone

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:27:21pm

re: #69 jaunte

Walsh is the deadbeat dad, right?

nothing more American than that! :D

90 Lidane  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:27:22pm

re: #86 Gus 802

100.4 °F

Klunk...

Pfft. That's average. It gets exciting when you go below 100. For example:

[Link: www.weather.com...]

91 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:28:11pm

re: #90 Lidane

Pfft. That's average. It gets exciting when you go below 100. For example:

[Link: www.weather.com...]

Anything over 75 sucks.

92 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:29:22pm

It's going up!

101.3 °F

Plus don't forget. I don't have the luxury of an AC right now.

93 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:29:45pm

re: #89 WindUpBird

nothing more American than that! :D

the court said I was a deadbeat dad...I was offended so I took them on and won...twice

94 Lidane  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:30:04pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Anything over 75 sucks.

I haven't seen weather under 75 in months.

95 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:31:55pm

re: #94 Lidane

I haven't seen weather under 75 in months.

Personally? I'd move. There no way I'd live in a place that gets that hot even during the Summer. Ain't worth it. Unless of course I was living in a house or apartment with AC and had a good AC in the car. Otherwise? No way no how.

96 Kruk  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:32:22pm

*Facepalm* The irony is that the modern right will proudly proclaim that the GOP is the party of Lincoln.

"It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

97 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:35:00pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Personally? I'd move. There no way I'd live in a place that gets that hot even during the Summer. Ain't worth it. Unless of course I was living in a house or apartment with AC and had a good AC in the car. Otherwise? No way no how.

people don't prepare themselves for that stuff...they get their degree, take a job and that's it....independence traded for a paycheck...I could do whatever I do anywhere in America, and I did

98 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:35:57pm

re: #97 albusteve

people don't prepare themselves for that stuff...they get their degree, take a job and that's it...independence traded for a paycheck...I could do whatever I do anywhere in America, and I did

That's nice. Not me though.

You have your AC on?

99 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:36:12pm

102.0 °F

100 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:37:28pm

re: #82 lostlakehiker

If you want to get technical, the government does take money from some and give it to others. But one of the purposes of government is to protect the weak. In a decent conservative society, say, 1950's Kansas,

Incorrect. The purpose of states rights government like, oh, 50s Topeka, is to protect the privileged, literally at the expense of everyone else. I.e. your tax money goes to pay for your segregation.

This ticket tells you everything you need to know about taxes in a conservative states rights society like 50s Topeka.

Image: 17205_med.jpeg

Nostalgic conservatives who think we're ever going back to that are completely delusional.

101 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:38:21pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Personally? I'd move. There no way I'd live in a place that gets that hot even during the Summer. Ain't worth it. Unless of course I was living in a house or apartment with AC and had a good AC in the car. Otherwise? No way no how.

If the country finds itself in an energy or economic bind that makes massive AC expenditure unworkable, the states of the old Confederacy basically go away.

102 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:38:37pm

re: #98 Gus 802

That's nice. Not me though.

You have your AC on?

no...I have a swamp cooler but rarely use it
when it's 98 at 8 o'clock I turn it on...I have a huge capacity for suffering...I am determined to say the least

103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:38:53pm

re: #83 albusteve

I tend to think it isn't in the long run...somehow the current GOP needs to be knocked out...it's up to the electorate whom I have little faith in...not because they are racists, but because they are stupid...AmIdol rules and we need to get back down to earth...maybe extended hardship will enlighten them that their party is killing us all

I don't disagree, and hope we're wrong.

104 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:40:27pm

re: #103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't disagree, and hope we're wrong.

we just don't know and have to wait...anything is possible

105 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:41:00pm

re: #102 albusteve

no...I have a swamp cooler but rarely use it
when it's 98 at 8 o'clock I turn it on...I have a huge capacity for suffering...I am determined to say the least

102.0 °F

Ah. That sounds nice and comfortable. Yeah, I'm in the garage right now. Hotter than hell in here and just the stupid fan going back and forth. Gotta hit the road next week. No where to go. But hey the car has AC in it. Heading back to Denver. Maybe.

106 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:41:12pm

re: #83 albusteve

I tend to think it isn't in the long run...somehow the current GOP needs to be knocked out...it's up to the electorate whom I have little faith in...not because they are racists, but because they are stupid...AmIdol rules and we need to get back down to earth...maybe extended hardship will enlighten them that their party is killing us all

re: #103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't disagree, and hope we're wrong.

Get used to the statistical fact that the electorate is not stupid--it is the definition of average. Anyone wanting to move the country in a progressive or retrograde direction just has to work with that.

107 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:43:21pm

It's our anniversary, and I got my wife a big stone. We're just back from the lithotripsy shop, and it should be delivered any hour now.

108 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:44:41pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

At least he said 'historical', rather than 'novelty'. That's somewhat better.

//

I love how you read steves mind. It's all a part of the belittle.

109 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:44:55pm

re: #85 Lidane

FTFY

These days, conservative thought doesn't rise above the level of howler monkeys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levin, and Savage. This screed from American Thinker is proof.

I agree for the most part, but folks like Frum, Brooks and Sullivan are all right of center on economic and foreign policy (for the most part) and seem completely embarassed to be associated with the people you mention. Their conservatism is of a very different breed, it seeks compromise and is valuable to the overall discourse. If the gop does return to sanity, these are the type of thinkers who will lead the way. The howlers you mention are reckless demagogic frauds, along the lines of Father Coughlin and Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy.

110 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:45:51pm

re: #105 Gus 802

102.0 °F

Ah. That sounds nice and comfortable. Yeah, I'm in the garage right now. Hotter than hell in here and just the stupid fan going back and forth. Gotta hit the road next week. No where to go. But hey the car has AC in it. Heading back to Denver. Maybe.

I love Denver...if the heat becomes an oppressive gig year after year, Ill migrate northward...I can do whatever I want, and I feel for the people that can't...I do

111 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:47:11pm

re: #88 albusteve

it's a mild 96 here in ABQ...it's been 95 to over 100 for three months down here, and dry as a bone

Had a day here in LA's San Fernando Valley last week 109 with 3% humidity. Just twenty miles away, at the beach, it was a perfect 72.

112 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:48:50pm

re: #111 palomino

Had a day here in LA's San Fernando Valley last week 109 with 3% humidity. Just twenty miles away, at the beach, it was a perfect 72.

the ocean has a soothing effect...I miss it, not seen it for over three years now...but that's about to end

113 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:49:02pm

End-of-thread drive-by post:

Huh? Tea Party Republicans Cheer Federal Investment in Texas Rail Project

OMG, I cannot believe Rick Perry is allowing this to happen in his own state!

U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has joined with Texas officials and railroad industry leaders to announce nearly $50 million in rail investments to bolster both passenger and freight service through the state, and jumpstart planning for high-speed rail between Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth.

Isn't that a violation of the Tenth Amendment or something? Tea party Republicans have got to be LIVID about this obvious act of SOCIALISM.

More at AlterNet...

114 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:49:52pm

re: #110 albusteve

I love Denver...if the heat becomes an oppressive gig year after year, Ill migrate northward...I can do whatever I want, and I feel for the people that can't...I do

I'm about ready to hide under the shade. Whew. Yeah, Denver's a lot cheaper than the Bay Area. Rent's about 1/2 the price.

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:51:12pm

re: #114 Gus 802

I'm about ready to hide under the shade. Whew. Yeah, Denver's a lot cheaper than the Bay Area. Rent's about 1/2 the price.

I wonder if Portland is cheaper than Denver

(their beer festival is bigger, but we have more breweries)

116 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:52:19pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

I wonder if Portland is cheaper than Denver

(their beer festival is bigger, but we have more breweries)

I think it's about the same. I thought about Portland but I don't know anybody there.

117 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:53:19pm

re: #114 Gus 802

I'm about ready to hide under the shade. Whew. Yeah, Denver's a lot cheaper than the Bay Area. Rent's about 1/2 the price.

my son is making a beeline to Denver when he's finished with dental school next spring...I can't overstate how much I love CO...450 miles north and I can see him

118 po8crg  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:56:02pm

Bad things.

Reminds me of David Weber's Star Kingdom of Manticore - you have to pay more in tax than you receive from the government to be entitled to vote.

119 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:56:19pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

I wonder if Portland is cheaper than Denver

(their beer festival is bigger, but we have more breweries)

Portland is just another town

120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:57:30pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

re: #103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Get used to the statistical fact that the electorate is not stupid--it is the definition of average. Anyone wanting to move the country in a progressive or retrograde direction just has to work with that.

The GOP electorate of the past couple generations has proven its stupidity to me. Or at the very least, a willingness to be manipulated by demagogues pushing a few very predictable buttons. I think we can count on it.

Conventional wisdom, another definition of "average", will tell us the same thing about the D electorate (see OP) and definitely certain factions of the Obama electorate. But then, those are, imo, the same types who are easily manipulated by Fox News, astroturf marketing firms, etc.

So it all works out, I suppose.

121 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:58:16pm

Steve, been meaning to ask since I may be out in ABQ sometime this winter visiting a good friend of mine that lives there. Do you got any recommendations on sites? Gonna need something to do while he works. Never been out west before so this is something I am looking forward to.

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:58:33pm

re: #119 albusteve

Portland is just another town

Happens to have a great deal of stuff I like, which makes it the only town of its kind!

cheap rent, amazing beer, great restaurants, weird art, indie comic festivals, cool music scene, light rail, kindred spirits

123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:58:33pm

re: #111 palomino

Had a day here in LA's San Fernando Valley last week 109 with 3% humidity. Just twenty miles away, at the beach, it was a perfect 72.

SF Valley....too hot. Every valley in CA....too hot.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:00:30pm

re: #116 Gus 802

I think it's about the same. I thought about Portland but I don't know anybody there.

that can be a problem *_*

It was strange, I moved here 12 years ago to escape the unholy traffic and expense of Seattle but stay in the NW, then one by one, my friends from across the country started moving here too, I lucked out

125 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:01:11pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

It's our anniversary, and I got my wife a big stone. We're just back from the lithotripsy shop, and it should be delivered any hour now.

That's gonna hurt, isn't it?

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:01:59pm

re: #119 albusteve

also, something else Oregon has access to that is pretty nifty

127 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:02:09pm

re: #82 lostlakehiker

You're joking when you call 1950s Kansas a decent conservative society, right?

128 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:02:26pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Steve, been meaning to ask since I may be out in ABQ sometime this winter visiting a good friend of mine that lives there. Do you got any recommendations on sites? Gonna need something to do while he works. Never been out west before so this is something I am looking forward to.

read up first...NM has a very colorful history, but if disco is your gig you're probably out of luck...buy me a taco and I'd be glad to show you around...it ain't Vermont...coming out west is a huge thing...divide it into chunks

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:02:34pm

re: #127 Obdicut

You're joking when you call 1950s Kansas a decent conservative society, right?

I'd sooner live in a tar pit

130 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:02:47pm

re: #126 WindUpBird


also, something else Oregon has access to that is pretty nifty

Beautiful - looks like our coasts.

131 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:03:50pm

I am still deciding where I want to live after I get my degree this December. All depends on what I do job wise. I've got friends here but I have to admit that trying out a new city would be a neat adventure. I prefer a city that's small enough where it's hard to get lost but big enough to find something new and exciting to do often. So, a city like New York doesn't appeal to me much. Gotta have a good public transit too since I don't drive and besides I like riding the trains/buses.

132 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:04:31pm

re: #130 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Beautiful - looks like our coasts.


Do you recognize the rock? :D

133 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:05:00pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

San Francisco is a wonderful place.

134 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:05:04pm

re: #122 WindUpBird

Happens to have a great deal of stuff I like, which makes it the only town of its kind!

cheap rent, amazing beer, great restaurants, weird art, indie comic festivals, cool music scene, light rail, kindred spirits

no town is totally unique...but I'm happy that you are....home means a lot and if Portland is your home then make it the best home ever

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:06:07pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I am still deciding where I want to live after I get my degree this December. All depends on what I do job wise. I've got friends here but I have to admit that trying out a new city would be a neat adventure. I prefer a city that's small enough where it's hard to get lost but big enough to find something new and exciting to do often. So, a city like New York doesn't appeal to me much. Gotta have a good public transit too since I don't drive and besides I like riding the trains/buses.

Portland has all those things! light rail that rocks, and full of zany people who like to go out and Do Stuff


What it doesn't have so much of, is a good economy *__*;

136 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:06:38pm

re: #133 Obdicut

San Francisco is a wonderful place.

it's okay...landscape is a huge plus for SF

137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:08:06pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I am still deciding where I want to live after I get my degree this December. All depends on what I do job wise. I've got friends here but I have to admit that trying out a new city would be a neat adventure. I prefer a city that's small enough where it's hard to get lost but big enough to find something new and exciting to do often. So, a city like New York doesn't appeal to me much. Gotta have a good public transit too since I don't drive and besides I like riding the trains/buses.

Sounds like San Fran to me. LA could work - the public trans has gotten better over the years, but it really does help to have a car. But SF, well, we're kinda known for our innovative public transportation :)

138 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:09:01pm

re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sounds like San Fran to me. LA could work - the public trans has gotten better over the years, but it really does help to have a car. But SF, well, we're kinda known for our innovative public transportation :)

trouble is, those towns are in CA

139 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:09:07pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

Portland has all those things! light rail that rocks, and full of zany people who like to go out and Do Stuff

What it doesn't have so much of, is a good economy *__*;

How about Seattle? I could live there.

140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:09:46pm

re: #138 albusteve

trouble is, those towns are in CA

Ever lived here?

141 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:10:16pm

re: #128 albusteve

read up first...NM has a very colorful history, but if disco is your gig you're probably out of luck...buy me a taco and I'd be glad to show you around...it ain't Vermont...coming out west is a huge thing...divide it into chunks

Yeah historical sites that's what I am interested in. After all, the history there is much different than it is here in Virginia due to the Spanish/Mexican influences as opposed to English ones here. Yeah, I don't plan to rush it. Thanks again.

142 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:10:47pm

re: #140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ever lived here?

gag me...multiple visitor

143 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:11:19pm

re: #133 Obdicut

San Francisco is a wonderful place.

I've heard nice things, Bay Area may be a little pricey for a recent grad but it's a city I've wanted to check out but there's a lot I want to check out too.

144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:11:23pm

re: #142 albusteve

gag me...multiple visitor

Where did you visit?

145 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:11:31pm

Blue Angels Flight Practice With 50/50 Biofuel

Youtube Video

Neato.

146 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:11:49pm

re: #142 albusteve

gag me...

California lingo

147 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:12:41pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I've heard nice things, Bay Area may be a little pricey for a recent grad but it's a city I've wanted to check out but there's a lot I want to check out too.

If you're willing to do the roomate thing, SF can be very nifty. It's a huge quality of life thing, there's so much great free stuff to do there.

148 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:12:49pm

re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sounds like San Fran to me. LA could work - the public trans has gotten better over the years, but it really does help to have a car. But SF, well, we're kinda known for our innovative public transportation :)

LA's too damn big. I also have a preference for the East coast due to proxmity to home. I'm sure I'll find something. I'm definitely getting a place closer to DC within the year though in the close Virginia suburbs.

149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:13:51pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Blue Angels Flight Practice With 50/50 Biofuel

[Video]Neato.

I love the Blue Angels - great when they come to town.

150 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:15:09pm

re: #149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I love the Blue Angels - great when they come to town.

I saw them once in SF. Fleet Week. Seen before of course but it's been years. They cancelled their appearance in Denver because DIA refused to curtail operations that it would have required.

151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:15:46pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I've heard nice things, Bay Area may be a little pricey for a recent grad but it's a city I've wanted to check out but there's a lot I want to check out too.

Yeah, that it is. I'm right in the middle of everything, but could move down the peninsula or across the bay if I must.

If I end up back in SoCA, LA Koreatown or Long Beach is probably the 1st place I'd look. LA is indeed huge.

152 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:16:30pm

re: #144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Where did you visit?

mostly the coast...SD, LA on up to SF and Humbolt county....rented a house once in Pismo, and have a good friend in the Carmel area...I've crisscrossed CA enough to not want to live there...pretty as hell tho...Death Valley, Joshua Tree in the south

153 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:17:45pm

re: #151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, that it is. I'm right in the middle of everything, but could move down the peninsula or across the bay if I must.

If I end up back in SoCA, LA Koreatown or Long Beach is probably the 1st place I'd look. LA is indeed huge.

I was in New York a couple years ago and just wowed looking at the Subway map. Awe struck how my friend who lives there had memorized all those lines and stops. We only have 5-6 for the DC Metro and that's taken me the past six years of being a frequent rider to get down.

154 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:18:59pm

re: #152 albusteve

mostly the coast...SD, LA on up to SF and Humbolt county...rented a house once in Pismo, and have a good friend in the Carmel area...I've crisscrossed CA enough to not want to live there...pretty as hell tho...Death Valley, Joshua Tree in the south

Inland might look more familiar, then. The coast is not representative of CA -- it's a huge place. I wouldn't recommend inland or red CA to anyone, though. Might as well go live in SB1070 AZ.

155 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:19:00pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I was in New York a couple years ago and just wowed looking at the Subway map. Awe struck how my friend who lives there had memorized all those lines and stops. We only have 5-6 for the DC Metro and that's taken me the past six years of being a frequent rider to get down.

heh..NYC is classic

156 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:20:43pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I was in New York a couple years ago and just wowed looking at the Subway map. Awe struck how my friend who lives there had memorized all those lines and stops. We only have 5-6 for the DC Metro and that's taken me the past six years of being a frequent rider to get down.

I used to work out of NYC in stints for weeks at a time. Best way to experience it, if possible, plus everything is expensed.

We did work our asses off, though. My sleep patterns are still screwed up to this day. Not a complaint - it was fantastic living.

157 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:20:59pm

re: #154 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Inland might look more familiar, then. The coast is not representative of CA -- it's a huge place. I wouldn't recommend inland or red CA to anyone, though. Might as well go live in SB1070 AZ.

CA is a gorgeous state...I would never put off someone who wants to visit...LA alone is worth 2 weeks...CA is a beast

158 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:21:15pm

re: #123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

SF Valley...too hot. Every valley in CA...too hot.

It does get hot here, no question. But I was born and raised in Houston, where the combo of heat and humidity is stifling, relentless, torturous. And there's never any relief: hot as hell during the day, only slightly less hot with skyrocketing humidity at night. Here in the Valley even the summer nights are cool and there's very little humidity or rain or storms, so it's paradise compared to Texas.

159 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:22:15pm

re: #157 albusteve

CA is a gorgeous state...I would never put off someone who wants to visit...LA alone is worth 2 weeks...CA is a beast

There is indeed a lot to it. I'm a native...lived here most of my life except for school...still couldn't list all the counties without the aid of a map.

160 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:22:29pm

re: #139 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How about Seattle? I could live there.

Dreary, cold, gloomy, cloudy, rainy, high suicide rate. Reminds me a lot of London.

161 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:23:46pm

re: #160 palomino

Dreary, cold, gloomy, cloudy, rainy, high suicide rate. Reminds me a lot of London.

Ooph. Lol I loved London. Another place I could definitely live if I had the money.

162 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:23:57pm

=re: #160 palomino

Dreary, cold, gloomy, cloudy, rainy, high suicide rate. Reminds me a lot of London.

I dunno, London sounds more appealing to me than Seattle.

163 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:24:38pm

re: #138 albusteve

trouble is, those towns are in CA

Why do you think so many people live here? It ain't the smog, traffic, overcrowding or high cost of living. It's the freaking weather...even here in the Valley our "weather" is like room temperature 90% of the year. Every time I think of moving back to TX, I immediately change my mind after my annual summer visit.

164 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:24:52pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

That's gonna hurt, isn't it?

Doc blasted this one in time, so it should be better than the one I did 3 wks ago. This month I've done 7/8ths of all the drugs ever. Hate drugs, except sometimes. August totally sucked, that's why my postings have been scarce and addled.

165 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:26:32pm

If I could live anywhere in my dreams I would live in either Austria or Northern Italy near the Italian Alps.

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:27:58pm

re: #163 palomino

Why do you think so many people live here? It ain't the smog, traffic, overcrowding or high cost of living. It's the freaking weather...even here in the Valley our "weather" is like room temperature 90% of the year. Every time I think of moving back to TX, I immediately change my mind after my annual summer visit.

In fact, the reason for the smog, traffic, overcrowding and high cost of living, well, is because so many people want to live here.

I mean really...most of this year has been at 72 degrees in the day, 55 at night; some rain here and there. At the end of this month, we'll have a couple weeks of 90/72 degree weather. Then it will be back to 72/55 for the rest of the next 365 days.

167 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:27:59pm

And drive around in an Aston Martin and saying "shaken no stirred" when ordering a martini.

Bond. Gus Bond 007.

//

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:29:04pm

re: #160 palomino

Dreary, cold, gloomy, cloudy, rainy, high suicide rate. Reminds me a lot of London.

Some of us night people really have no use for the sun and the heat!

One man's gloom is another man's rich atmosphere for creating, I love the rain and hate heat ^_^

169 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:29:35pm

re: #161 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ooph. Lol I loved London. Another place I could definitely live if I had the money.

I was lucky enough to do a semester abroad there. EVERYTHING about London was great EXCEPT the weather. On those rare occasions when the sun came out, everyone quickly reaches for their sunglasses, just to have to put them away again in 15 minutes.

And, BTW, you're right: Seattle is a gorgeous city. In terms of topography, city planning, etc., it puts cities like Houston and even LA to shame. But too many damn clouds and gray skies.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:30:09pm

re: #167 Gus 802

And drive around in an Aston Martin and saying "shaken no stirred" when ordering a martini.

Bond. Gus Bond 007.

//

I'm already living in my dream city, though I wouldn't mind an extremely British Lotus Exige to play with

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:30:52pm

re: #169 palomino

I was lucky enough to do a semester abroad there. EVERYTHING about London was great EXCEPT the weather. On those rare occasions when the sun came out, everyone quickly reaches for their sunglasses, just to have to put them away again in 15 minutes.

And, BTW, you're right: Seattle is a gorgeous city. In terms of topography, city planning, etc., it puts cities like Houston and even LA to shame. But too many damn clouds and gray skies.

No such thing as too many if you ask me

172 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:31:33pm

re: #163 palomino

Why do you think so many people live here? It ain't the smog, traffic, overcrowding or high cost of living. It's the freaking weather...even here in the Valley our "weather" is like room temperature 90% of the year. Every time I think of moving back to TX, I immediately change my mind after my annual summer visit.

weather is just that...people live all over the place for reasons I can't fathom...the difference between a tourist and the natives...I prefer tourist...my hobby is to travel and I always try to find something positive about everywhere...I go over to Texas every year and I love the place and the people, but I could not live there I don't think...I love to visit the vast East but after a couple of weeks, quiet NM is like heaven...it's all how you look at it and what the motive is...I travel for pleasure, and don't have anything against anybody

173 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:32:05pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Doc blasted this one in time, so it should be better than the one I did 3 wks ago. This month I've done 7/8ths of all the drugs ever. Hate drugs, except sometimes. August totally sucked, that's why my postings have been scarce and addled.

Addled is better than scarce.

{{{Decatur}}}

174 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:32:35pm

re: #166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In fact, the reason for the smog, traffic, overcrowding and high cost of living, well, is because so many people want to live here.

I mean really...most of this year has been at 72 degrees in the day, 55 at night; some rain here and there. At the end of this month, we'll have a couple weeks of 90/72 degree weather. Then it will be back to 72/55 for the rest of the next 365 days.

Chicken or egg?

It's hilarious each year when the Santa Ana winds blow in, usually in Oct. Everyone freaks out cuz the temp goes up 15 degrees for a few days, as if it were the end of life as we know it.

175 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:33:05pm

re: #167 Gus 802

And drive around in an Aston Martin and saying "shaken no stirred" when ordering a martini.

Bond. Gus Bond 007.

//

LOL!
whoops!...better check your hair

176 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:34:04pm

I've always wanted to see what Barcelona was like. I got one of those Rick Sieves travel guides for a buck at a bookstore earlier this summer. Spain sounds like it would be interesting. The city I enjoyed most when I was in Europe was probably Galway though. I found it small enough that it was easy to get around but at the same time find something new to do when I wasn't working on my classwork. Ireland's a beautiful country but the climate is a little too rainy and cold for me. Plus, as a swimmer especially of oceans, I like not freezing when in the water.

177 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:34:08pm

re: #165 Gus 802

If I could live anywhere in my dreams I would live in either Austria or Northern Italy near the Italian Alps.

If we hit the lottery we're buying a ruined house and attached chapel in Pra d' Giglio (Field of Lilies). The preAlps are at your back, and the Po valley is a couple thousand feet below.

'Bout like this:

[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]

178 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:34:12pm

re: #175 albusteve

LOL!
whoops!...better check your hair

Sometimes I type with an Italian accent. Don't really have one though.

//

179 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:34:41pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

If we hit the lottery we're buying a ruined house and attached chapel in Pra d' Giglio (Field of Lilies). The preAlps are at your back, and the Po valley is a couple thousand feet below.

'Bout like this:

[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]

Wow. Beautiful.

180 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:35:14pm

re: #100 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Incorrect. The purpose of states rights government like, oh, 50s Topeka, is to protect the privileged, literally at the expense of everyone else. I.e. your tax money goes to pay for your segregation.

This ticket tells you everything you need to know about taxes in a conservative states rights society like 50s Topeka.

Image: 17205_med.jpeg

Nostalgic conservatives who think we're ever going back to that are completely delusional.

I note that the ticket wasn't issued in Kansas. I note also that you presented it as if it were a Kansas item.

Do you maintain that the arrangement in KS for club foot and cleft palate did not exist, because it cannot have existed, because those kinds of people, the Kansans, simply don't have it in them to be decent?

Oh, and Topeka, KS is a special case. It's the zit on KS face. It's the former capital of the pro-slavery faction in Kansas, which lost the prequel, irregular civil war in KS that preceded the main event.

181 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:35:17pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

Some of us night people really have no use for the sun and the heat!

One man's gloom is another man's rich atmosphere for creating, I love the rain and hate heat ^_^

there you have it...the trouble with 'places' is hardly ever the folks that live there....ABQ is so hot and sunny I could scream!...get out and about, that's my gig

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:36:33pm

re: #139 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How about Seattle? I could live there.

oh, didn't realize you said this

I'm actually *FROM* Seattle, well, south King County, and the problem was it got expensive and gentrified, the public transit sucks, and the traffic is abominable :P A bunch of my friends and I all from Seattle basically up and moved to PDX at the same time

Portland and Seattle are both northwest, but there's a world of difference between the two places, culturally, city-planning, the whole bit

The one thing Seattle will always have the edge on is economy. That's where the jobs are!

183 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:37:15pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Sometimes I type with an Italian accent. Don't really have one though.

//

LOL!
oh man

184 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:37:46pm

Munich was a fun city in Germany. Had the right food, beer, and interesting history that I like in a city. Alps are the most beautiful mountains I've seen though I remain a person who wants to be close to the ocean or sea.

185 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:37:50pm

re: #158 palomino

It does get hot here, no question. But I was born and raised in Houston, where the combo of heat and humidity is stifling, relentless, torturous. And there's never any relief: hot as hell during the day, only slightly less hot with skyrocketing humidity at night. Here in the Valley even the summer nights are cool and there's very little humidity or rain or storms, so it's paradise compared to Texas.

We have some of the most beautiful scenery in the world just a drive up the Pacific Coast Highway, Monterrey Bay, San Francisco, Laguna Beach, San Simeon, San Diego, Santa Monica, I could go on and on, and on! In land we some magnificent mountains like Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead, Mammoth Mountain, Mount Baldy (my personal fave!), and even the California Deserts are spectacular! I've lived here all my life and I have yet to see all of it! Maybe someday I'll get to most of it... For the most part I love the scenic parts the best. The cities and people? Not so much... I've been to Texas, but only Huston and only for a few days but I thought it was lovely... Louisiana is gorgeous, got to see Lafayette.

186 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:39:40pm

re: #169 palomino

I was lucky enough to do a semester abroad there. EVERYTHING about London was great EXCEPT the weather. On those rare occasions when the sun came out, everyone quickly reaches for their sunglasses, just to have to put them away again in 15 minutes.

And, BTW, you're right: Seattle is a gorgeous city. In terms of topography, city planning, etc., it puts cities like Houston and even LA to shame. But too many damn clouds and gray skies.

Did you get to see the Tower of London? What at tragic history that place has, it think it would give me the creeps to visit it...

187 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:40:24pm

re: #185 Dragon_Lady

We have some of the most beautiful scenery in the world just a drive up the Pacific Coast Highway, Monterrey Bay, San Francisco, Laguna Beach, San Simeon, San Diego, Santa Monica, I could go on and on, and on! In land we some magnificent mountains like Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead, Mammoth Mountain, Mount Baldy (my personal fave!), and even the California Deserts are spectacular! I've lived here all my life and I have yet to see all of it! Maybe someday I'll get to most of it... For the most part I love the scenic parts the best. The cities and people? Not so much... I've been to Texas, but only Huston and only for a few days but I thought it was lovely... Louisiana is gorgeous, got to see Lafayette.

they can spread my ashes in Louisiana...some of the finest people on the planet....extremely tough yet creative and fun loving...I could go on for days about that state

188 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:40:31pm

[Link: www.360cities.net...]

360 Cities brings you the world through the largest and fastest-growing collection of immersive, panoramic images on the web.

189 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:41:37pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I've always wanted to see what Barcelona was like. I got one of those Rick Sieves travel guides for a buck at a bookstore earlier this summer. Spain sounds like it would be interesting. The city I enjoyed most when I was in Europe was probably Galway though. I found it small enough that it was easy to get around but at the same time find something new to do when I wasn't working on my classwork. Ireland's a beautiful country but the climate is a little too rainy and cold for me. Plus, as a swimmer especially of oceans, I like not freezing when in the water.

My wife and I just did our 15th anniversary in Barcelona. It was great, would highly recommend it. Had never been to Spain, but always wanted to go because it was the one big European country I missed doing the Eurail thing as a college student. Fantastic museums, architecture, cathedrals, foods of all varieties, nice public beaches, great subway system (and easy to figure out unlike NYC), cheap taxis, and generally very nice people who were never snobby even when they had to listen to my half-assed Spanish.

190 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:43:47pm

I'd love to visit Ireland, I still have family there. My brother went a few years ago and found quite a few relatives still there. Scotland would be great too, I'd love to see the Isle of Mann. Such history!

191 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:44:12pm

re: #189 palomino

My wife and I just did our 15th anniversary in Barcelona. It was great, would highly recommend it. Had never been to Spain, but always wanted to go because it was the one big European country I missed doing the Eurail thing as a college student. Fantastic museums, architecture, cathedrals, foods of all varieties, nice public beaches, great subway system (and easy to figure out unlike NYC), cheap taxis, and generally very nice people who were never snobby even when they had to listen to my half-assed Spanish.

Cool, thanks. I'll have to check it out. I never made it to that part of Europe the two times I was there. I also want to explore more of Britain plus with Britain, I have family in both London and Cardiff so I have a place to crash and family to see.

192 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:46:10pm

re: #189 palomino

My wife and I just did our 15th anniversary in Barcelona. It was great, would highly recommend it. Had never been to Spain, but always wanted to go because it was the one big European country I missed doing the Eurail thing as a college student. Fantastic museums, architecture, cathedrals, foods of all varieties, nice public beaches, great subway system (and easy to figure out unlike NYC), cheap taxis, and generally very nice people who were never snobby even when they had to listen to my half-assed Spanish.

Barthehlona.

//

193 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:46:22pm

re: #190 Dragon_Lady

I'd love to visit Ireland, I still have family there. My brother went a few years ago and found quite a few relatives still there. Scotland would be great too, I'd love to see the Isle of Mann. Such history!

my dad flipped over Ireland and Scotland...he and mom went there several times....I'm a Taylor/McCleod

194 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:46:55pm

re: #185 Dragon_Lady

We have some of the most beautiful scenery in the world just a drive up the Pacific Coast Highway, Monterrey Bay, San Francisco, Laguna Beach, San Simeon, San Diego, Santa Monica, I could go on and on, and on! In land we some magnificent mountains like Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead, Mammoth Mountain, Mount Baldy (my personal fave!), and even the California Deserts are spectacular! I've lived here all my life and I have yet to see all of it! Maybe someday I'll get to most of it... For the most part I love the scenic parts the best. The cities and people? Not so much... I've been to Texas, but only Huston and only for a few days but I thought it was lovely... Louisiana is gorgeous, got to see Lafayette.

That incredible diversity of geography and climate is the thing that amazed me so much when I first moved to Cali. Growing up in Houston, you could drive 100 miles in any direction and basically nothing changed: everything's still flat and there's no change in weather. Even the coast is hot as hell and miserably humid all the time. In Cali, you can drive 100 miles and go from beach to mountains to desert to fertile farmland and experience all kinds of microclimates. I've lived here 20 years and you're right, parts of the state still seem like a revelation. I still wanna see Joshua Tree and about 1000 other parts of the state, even though I've traveled a lot of it already.

195 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:47:40pm

re: #190 Dragon_Lady

I'd love to visit Ireland, I still have family there. My brother went a few years ago and found quite a few relatives still there. Scotland would be great too, I'd love to see the Isle of Mann. Such history!

Ireland's beautiful. Took some of my best photos there and the people love giving Americans of Irish decent a helping hand. I may have told this story before but when I was out of money on the way back from a weekend trip to County Kerry, a man running a surname history program gave me my grandmother's surname history free of charge. I had just wanted to look at it in the first place since I knew little of the name. It's now framed in my room opposite my last name which I got from another vendor. It was amazing since he asked me if I was American, and upon finding that out he decided not to charge me. And the instructors I had at NUI-Galway were great. I'll always remember the man who taught the theatre portion of the film and literature class I took.

196 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:48:50pm

re: #186 Dragon_Lady

Did you get to see the Tower of London? What at tragic history that place has, it think it would give me the creeps to visit it...

Yeah, definitely creepy. And if you like wax museums, there's the cheesy Tower of London Horror Museum nearby, with lifelike depictions of all manner of torture and mayhem. I love horror movies so I was fascinated, but it's very gory.

197 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:49:15pm

I love the timeless desolation of New Mexico...nobody cares about us and I love it...we are here for you when you become restless and need some peace

198 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:51:14pm

Time to go, see y'all later. I'm positive RWC will be taking over the computer when he gets home, he always does. Take care everyone, its been fun! Keep Smiling!re: #193 albusteve

my dad flipped over Ireland and Scotland...he and mom went there several times...I'm a Taylor/McCleod

P.S. McCleod? Isle Kings they were! My family hailed from lower status stock, Degnan's they were. A mix of French, Irish, German and a few other European blood lines thrown in for grins. A true mutt I am!

See y'all!

199 palomino  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:52:38pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Barthehlona.

//

My wife kept saying it just like that. It took me a few days before I finally caught on that Catalan is quite different from Spanish in some ways. It's like Spanish combined with provincial French. Very pretty language.

200 Gus  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:01:39pm

Hasta later.

201 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:09:47pm

re: #14 albusteve

I don't reject anybodies right to vote...but votes are bought and sold...the GOP buys votes by bashing gays for example

Really?

The people on the left who want to register the poor also support education. In other words we want to help the people that need it. The Republicans, not so much.

We are not buying people off, we are trying to make this a better country for everyone.

202 albusteve  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:13:32pm

re: #201 Iwouldprefernotto

Really?

The people on the left who want to register the poor also support education. In other words we want to help the people that need it. The Republicans, not so much.

We are not buying people off, we are trying to make this a better country for everyone.

woohoo...good for you...

203 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:15:36pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Barthehlona.

//

Nice try, Eleanor Beardsley.

204 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:21:01pm

re: #127 Obdicut

You're joking when you call 1950s Kansas a decent conservative society, right?

Well, how would you characterize what I described? Give some reason, outside of Topeka, why it would not count as such.

205 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:24:22pm

re: #198 Dragon_Lady

Time to go, see y'all later. I'm positive RWC will be taking over the computer when he gets home, he always does. Take care everyone, its been fun! Keep Smiling!

P.S. McCleod? Isle Kings they were! My family hailed from lower status stock, Degnan's they were. A mix of French, Irish, German and a few other European blood lines thrown in for grins. A true mutt I am!

See y'all!

Why do you not have his and hers computers?

206 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:24:43pm

To clarify: in the context of its times...of course. Yes, until the army was desegregated, for instance, it had segregated army units based there. That sort of thing is bad, but it isn't and wasn't anything particular to Kansas.

Who would have been particularly badly treated, compared to what they would have had in a similarly not so rich state, in 1958?

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:25:46pm

re: #205 EmmmieG

Why do you not have his and hers computers?

Netbooks are so cheap it's criminal :D $220 for a fully functional Win7 machine!

208 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:25:55pm

re: #182 WindUpBird

oh, didn't realize you said this

I'm actually *FROM* Seattle, well, south King County, and the problem was it got expensive and gentrified, the public transit sucks, and the traffic is abominable :P A bunch of my friends and I all from Seattle basically up and moved to PDX at the same time

Portland and Seattle are both northwest, but there's a world of difference between the two places, culturally, city-planning, the whole bit

The one thing Seattle will always have the edge on is economy. That's where the jobs are!

But all the cool is in Portland. It emanates out from Powell's.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:26:53pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

But all the cool is in Portland. It emanates out from Powell's.

Powells is the sun, and the rest of the city revolves around its psychic energy :D

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:27:38pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

But all the cool is in Portland. It emanates out from Powell's.

You can learn a lot about a town from its book stores


And if a town has no dedicated book stores? That tells you something as well :D

211 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:27:47pm

re: #209 WindUpBird

Powells is the sun, and the rest of the city revolves around its psychic energy :D

My niece went for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Ten minutes in she declared it her favorite store.

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:29:50pm

re: #211 EmmmieG

My niece went for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Ten minutes in she declared it her favorite store.

The best thing is it looks big from the outside, then you go IN and you realize that it's the opposite of those big yawning wide aisles of a Barns and Nobel, it's so packed with books that it's like pressurized

And the comic section!

THE COMIC SECTION

213 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:30:50pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

The best thing is it looks big from the outside, then you go IN and you realize that it's the opposite of those big yawning wide aisles of a Barns and Nobel, it's so packed with books that it's like pressurized

And the comic section!

THE COMIC SECTION

I took her to see the Sci-Fi pillar. Unfortunately, she doesn't know any of those names.

Which leads to the question: Why aren't there pillars in the other sections?

214 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:37:57pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Doc blasted this one in time, so it should be better than the one I did 3 wks ago. This month I've done 7/8ths of all the drugs ever. Hate drugs, except sometimes. August totally sucked, that's why my postings have been scarce and addled.

Wha wha? Decatur you are kin.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:41:14pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

The Fucking President of the United Fucking States.

That's who the fuck he fucking is!!

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:44:14pm

re: #138 albusteve

trouble is, those towns are in CA

I love you, California, you're the greatest state of all
I love you in the winter, summer, spring, and in the fall.
I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore,
I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.

I love your redwood forests - love your fields of yellow grain,
I love your summer breezes, and I love your winter rain,
I love you, land of flowers; land of honey, fruit and wine,
I love you, California; you have won this heart of mine.

I love your old gray Missions - love your vineyards streteching far,
I love you, California, with your Golden Gate ajar,
I love your purple sunsets, love your skies of azure blue,
I love you, California; I just can't help loving you.

I love you, Catalina - you are very dear to me,
I love you, Tamalpais, and I love Yosemite,
I love you, Land of Sunshine, half your beauties are untold,
I loved you in my childhood, and I'll love you when I'm old.

When the snow crowned Golden Sierras
Keep their watch o'er the valleys bloom.
It is there I would be in our land by the sea,
Ev'ry breeze bearing rich perfume,
It is here nature gives of her rarest,
It is Home Sweet Home to me.
And I know when I die I shall breathe my last sigh
For my sunny California.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:45:16pm

re: #161 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ooph. Lol I loved London. Another place I could definitely live if I had the money.

London is definitely one of those towns where you have to either have extended family or be rich. Both is even better.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:46:06pm

re: #186 Dragon_Lady

Did you get to see the Tower of London? What at tragic history that place has, it think it would give me the creeps to visit it...

The Tower is an AMAZING place to visit. Absolutely cool.

219 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:49:54pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

That's who the fuck he fucking is!!

Oh I remember howe the fucking Dixie chicks lost their JOB EARNING POWER by speaking against King Bush. wtf has changed?

220 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 5:55:41pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

Do you maintain that the arrangement in KS for club foot and cleft palate did not exist, because it cannot have existed, because those kinds of people, the Kansans, simply don't have it in them to be decent?

I maintain that you have offered absolutely no proof that 1950's Kansas was a veritable Mecca of conservative pro bono surgery beyond your own rather bizarre raw assertion. Where does this come from?

221 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:05:45pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Image: air1_sm.jpg

222 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:29:27pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

I maintain that you have offered absolutely no proof that 1950's Kansas was a veritable Mecca of conservative pro bono surgery beyond your own rather bizarre raw assertion. Where does this come from?

My father was one of them.

And fuck you.

223 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:44:29pm

re: #206 lostlakehiker

If you have to say 'in the context of the times', you're already disproving yourself. And it's an idiotic claim to make that everyone got medical treatment in Kansas at that time for free because the surgeons donated their time. I assume you have no backup for this claim at all, since you never do.

224 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:44:52pm

re: #222 lostlakehiker

My father was one of them.

And fuck you.

That was kind of your father, but his efforts were not enough for the general population. It takes a system of governance to ensure benefits are available to the total population.

225 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:46:39pm

re: #224 prairiefire

Also, it's fatuous to say that liberals do their charity solely through government. Obviously, 'liberals' donate their time and effort as well. The entire duality he proposed was foolish in the extreme.

226 Soundboard Fez  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:56:21pm

If poor people voting their own self-interest is akin to burglary by this clown's logic, then he must REALLY hate corporate lobbying. If he's got a shred of intellectual honesty.

I'm not holding much hope out there.

227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:08:57pm

Yeah, this is a late post but my phone died.

re: #180 lostlakehiker

I note that the ticket wasn't issued in Kansas.

You catch on quick.

I note also that you presented it as if it were a Kansas item.

Do you maintain that the arrangement in KS for club foot and cleft palate did not exist, because it cannot have existed, because those kinds of people, the Kansans, simply don't have it in them to be decent?

Oh, and Topeka, KS is a special case. It's the zit on KS face. It's the former capital of the pro-slavery faction in Kansas, which lost the prequel, irregular civil war in KS that preceded the main event.

smgdh

The ticket was not presented as a "Kansas item"; pay attention. The ticket was presented as a states rights conservative government item, which taxed the targets of its segregation policies, to enforce segregation policies.

This was the heart of Brown vs Board of Education, centered in your 1950s Kansas.

Topeka, KS was not unique. Brown vs Board of Education was a class action against the blanket, nationwide segregation policies of Plessy vs Ferguson, including school districts as far away as Baltimore.

The precedents included cases from Oklahoma, Texas, and Orange County, CA, among others. So yes, the ticket was from 1939 Alabama. The rest of your states rights conservative society offered nothing but the same.

Nothing in 50s conservative society is worth romanticizing. Nobody from 50s conservative society is worth emulating. Not one filthy thing.

228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:13:15pm

re: #222 lostlakehiker

My father was busy desegregating your nasty 50s conservative society military at the same time.

So put your feathers down.

229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:25:34pm

re: #206 lostlakehiker

To clarify: in the context of its times...of course. Yes, until the army was desegregated, for instance, it had segregated army units based there. That sort of thing is bad, but

Is there some requirement cons must retain a certain level of ignorance or they can't be cons anymore?

It was up to my father, his brothers and my cousins to do that work, and without any help from your ilk. Don't discount it or write it off with "buts"; they went through hell just to serve and if they didn't, they were labeled lazy, shiftless, no-account evil socialists trying to steal your money and undermine your precious 50s conservative utopian facade with all their commie talk of equality under the law.

That's a long way of saying, no buts. Conservatives still talk like that, to this day.

230 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:30:34pm

re: #222 lostlakehiker

My father was one of them.

And fuck you.

My my, that's quite the convincing anecdote you've got there. Come up with something other than argument by "my daddy" little boy.

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:41:29pm

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

My my, that's quite the convincing anecdote you've got there. Come up with something other than argument by "my daddy" little boy.

Lol I know..we all have father anecdotes, right?

I am certain lost doesn't want to hear mine, until it gets to the Black Reagan Democrat/proto-Alan-Keyes days, where he becomes one of the good, tokenizable ones in the sights of conservative whites. •_•

232 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:34:04pm

re: #4 albusteve

harsh lingo, but how can one disagree?...both parties exploit whoever they can...some become a tradition, a fact

The lingo is not as harsh and as your dogmatically cynical 'hate them all' attitude.

233 kirkspencer  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:35:06am

re: #180 lostlakehiker

I note that the ticket wasn't issued in Kansas. I note also that you presented it as if it were a Kansas item.

Do you maintain that the arrangement in KS for club foot and cleft palate did not exist, because it cannot have existed, because those kinds of people, the Kansans, simply don't have it in them to be decent?

Oh, and Topeka, KS is a special case. It's the zit on KS face. It's the former capital of the pro-slavery faction in Kansas, which lost the prequel, irregular civil war in KS that preceded the main event.

Oh, please lostlakehiker. Wichita was segregated. My mom went to the White school in Colby, Kansas. While I was going to school in Goodland, KS, (in the 1960s and early 70s) they finally tore down the "black" school. Were there people opposed to segregation in Kansas? Yes. But implying Topeka was different from the rest of Kansas is revisionism of the worst sort.

234 labman57  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 11:55:32am

And yet conservatives have the chutzpah to call progressives "elitists" ...

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 1:37:18pm

re: #219 Stanley Sea

Oh I remember howe the fucking Dixie chicks lost their JOB EARNING POWER by speaking against King Bush. wtf has changed?

Democrat in the White House.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:38:09pm

re: #227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nothing in 50s conservative society is worth romanticizing. Nobody from 50s conservative society is worth emulating. Not one filthy thing.

QFT

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:38:52pm

re: #224 prairiefire

That was kind of your father, but his efforts were not enough for the general population. It takes a system of governance to ensure benefits are available to the total population.

also QFT

238 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:19:48pm

re: #223 Obdicut

If you have to say 'in the context of the times', you're already disproving yourself. And it's an idiotic claim to make that everyone got medical treatment in Kansas at that time for free because the surgeons donated their time. I assume you have no backup for this claim at all, since you never do.

You know, and everyone on this blog who reads the original post will know, that I didn't claim everyone got medical treatment of all sorts free. I did claim, and it is true, that every child with cleft palate or club foot got free medical treatment for that condition. And my source is my father. The physicians of Kansas had a society dedicated to that mission, and it got the job done.

He's dead so he can't give you a URL, and it all happened before the internet so I can't either.

But it's futile to contest this kind of matter with you, or with the readership here in general. I will not be believed. So, goodbye.

239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:42:52pm

re: #238 lostlakehiker

I didn't claim everyone got medical treatment of all sorts free.

9_9

Wow, talk about a classic, ignorant, straw man argument.

Nobody said you claimed everyone got medical treatment o fall sorts free.

And my source is my father.

Everyone has father anecdotes. You don't want to hear my father's, from the segregationist era you are somehow expecting everyone else to romanticize.

Ain't happenin', delusional con.

240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:49:37pm

re: #233 kirkspencer

implying Topeka was different from the rest of Kansas is revisionism of the worst sort.

And only the most delusional, deliberately ignorant of cons believe b.s. like that.

Who lostlakehiker thinks he's fooling, I'll never know.

241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:56:47pm

re: #238 lostlakehiker

But it's futile to contest this kind of matter with you, or with the readership here in general. I will not be believed. So, goodbye.

It's futile to assert your bullshit anecdotes as universal truth, because history does not back you up about your "decent 50s conservative society". 50s decent conservative society was doing the same as f'ed up, shrieking conservative society today: casting everyone who argues against segregationist law as commies, socialists, traitors, destroying your way of life, etc.

Also, casting yourselves as victims because we would not permit ourselves to be victims of 50s decent conservative society.

You guys are the same as you were 2 generations ago, clamoring for the same 2-tiered society that gave you all those unearned privileges. You're not getting it back ever again, sorry.

242 Obdicut  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 2:08:56pm

re: #238 lostlakehiker

I did claim, and it is true, that every child with cleft palate or club foot got free medical treatment for that condition. And my source is my father.

No, the source is yourself, relaying what you said your father has.

This is not backing up your story. That is done through verifiable references.

Furthermore, the idea that all those doctors were conservatives is rather foolish, as is the idea that liberals do things through government, and not through private charity.

It is amazing to me that it seems to personally offend you that people don't simply believe your claims, and point out your lack of logic.

243 Stephen T.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:50:19am

re: #55 palomino

The GOP has done this for a long time, notably with their constant opposition to "motor voter" laws. But it's getting more blatant now. It's not rocket science; the GOP knows that certain groups (young, poor, minorities) are less likely to vote when stricter requirements are enacted. The GOP also knows that demographic trends favor the Dems, hence the laws we're now seeing.

I've said it before, I believe that since the GOP recognizes that they cannot convince certain segments of the population to vote for them, the only way they have to remain as a voting block is to disenfranchise those who vote against them.


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