Happy F5
RE:PLAY Film Festival
April 15-16, 2011CREDITS:
Directed by Mixtape ClubProduction Company: Hornet
Music by Huma Huma
F5 RE:PLAY TITLES
Directed and Produced by Upper First
2 |
Randall Gross Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:02:58pm |
Nice work, I like how they mixed and blended the found sound so well with the music. My only complaint was the intro. The only thing worse than a mime is a skull face mime.
| 4 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:08:04pm |
There's also a new Tom Waits album on the way. Tom Waits: Bad as Me
Keeping the Rain Dogs/Bone Machine era aesthetic with slightly more complex rhythms.
| 6 |
albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:56:33pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
There's also a new Tom Waits album on the way. Tom Waits: Bad as Me
Keeping the Rain Dogs/Bone Machine era aesthetic with slightly more complex rhythms.
he seems to be big around here...not sure why...I consider Waits about average...Hiatt has far more talent and puts it out on tour with terrific bands
| 8 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:00:06pm |
| 9 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:04:50pm |
Quiet tonight. I guess it's the holiday weekend.
| 10 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:07:54pm |
| 11 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:09:23pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
Quiet tonight. I guess it's the holiday weekend.
Must be. Hey It's dinner/cocktail time. I'll bet you got something nice from the garden... Gonna be butter/garlic/truffle oil sauteed shrimp on a fancy herb pasta. For before dinner drinks its Stoli on ice. The DB2 crew has been busting butt, so tonight I feed them well.
| 12 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:11:07pm |
| 13 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:17:43pm |
Excuse me while I make a Romaine salad with white beans, garbanzo beans, avocado, grated sharp cheddar cheese, sliced white mushrooms, tomatoes, buttermilk croutons, and a low-fat Parmesan Ranch dressing.
| 15 |
wrenchwench Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:29:05pm |
re: #13 Charles
Excuse me while I make a Romaine salad with white beans, garbanzo beans, avocado, grated sharp cheddar cheese, sliced white mushrooms, tomatoes, buttermilk croutons, and a low-fat Parmesan Ranch dressing.
Best ever salad addition: seeds from a cilantro plant before they turn into coriander. Which means you have to grow them yourself and pick them green. It's like a burst of spring when you bite them!
| 16 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:32:06pm |
I need something more substantial than salad this evening.
| 17 |
prairiefire Fri, Sep 2, 2011 6:46:25pm |
Too hot in KC to cook tonight. We had left over grilled steak with fresh linguine and already made sugu sauce.
| 19 |
jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:04:18pm |
via Roger Ebert:
See a supernova this weekend from your own back yard
| 20 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:15:25pm |
Kimbra - Settle Down
| 21 |
jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:25:08pm |
SFPD: We Stood Outside When Apple's Investigators Tossed Man's Home
The homeowner, 22-year-old Sergio Calderon, admitted that he was at the bar where the phone was lost, but said he had no knowledge of the missing phone.
Calderon initially told the SF Weekly that six people wearing badges and identifying themselves as San Francisco police officers searched his home one evening in July, rifled through his belongings and computer and "threatened" him over the missing phone. He later clarified that only two people entered his home and that they "did not specifically state they were police officers."
The intruders also inquired if everyone living in his house - multiple family members of different generations - was an American citizen. Calderon told SF Weekly all occupants of his house are in the U.S. legally.
| 22 |
bratwurst Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:30:31pm |
re: #21 jaunte
SFPD: We Stood Outside When Apple's Investigators Tossed Man's Home
Well hey...were any crimes committed that night outside of this guy's home? Sounds like a job well done to me! /
| 23 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:46:39pm |
Former Republican senator criticises party
Sep 1 2011 Chuck Hagel, former senator from Nebraska, says his fellow Republicans acted irresponsibly in the debt ceiling debate and says that President Barack Obama should let Europe lead the reconstruction of post-Gaddafi Libya. Mr Hagel also tells the FT's Stephanie Kirchgaessner that the Republican party will have to rebuild if they do not win in 2012. (5m 40sec)
| 24 |
Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:54:43pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
Yeah, but as somebody pointed out the other day, the key word is "former." I very much doubt he'd be as willing to come down on his party if he were still holding office.
| 25 |
Varek Raith Fri, Sep 2, 2011 7:58:05pm |
re: #21 jaunte
SFPD: We Stood Outside When Apple's Investigators Tossed Man's Home
Uh...
Illegal much?
Yikes.
| 26 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:06:41pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
The Hagel interview so far has gotten enough traction to make a difference, I think. I doubt the True Believers care what a former Senator thinks.
| 27 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:12:15pm |
re: #24 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, but as somebody pointed out the other day, the key word is "former." I very much doubt he'd be as willing to come down on his party if he were still holding office.
He'd be afraid of the Tea Party, desperate to hold onto what he has.
| 28 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:15:53pm |
re: #21 jaunte
SFPD: We Stood Outside When Apple's Investigators Tossed Man's Home
If these allegations are true it will come as no surprise to me. Now I have to wonder what the response will be from the Appleheads. Clearly Apple is acting a lot like any other major Fortune 500. And the SFPD? They're a strange police department. Always have been.
| 29 |
jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:18:08pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
That story sounds like something out of of L. A. Confidential.
| 30 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:19:12pm |
re: #29 jaunte
That story sounds like something out of of L. A. Confidential.
Yeah. This story does need a 24 hour rule. I'll still Tweet it but people should realize that it could be another load of BS.
| 33 |
Varek Raith Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:24:53pm |
re: #32 Gus 802
Mmmm. Ahhh. Tasty.
I hesitate to ask, but did you ever take care of the pains (Neck, IIRC) you were having?
| 34 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:25:46pm |
re: #33 Varek Raith
I hesitate to ask, but did you ever take care of the pains (Neck, IIRC) you were having?
Nope. Still drives me crazy sometimes. Oddly enough it's feeling semi-OK now though. Thanks for asking. :)
| 35 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:29:53pm |
I'm liked?
How very cool.
How is everyone this evening?
| 36 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:30:14pm |
re: #11 Rightwingconspirator
Must be. Hey It's dinner/cocktail time. I'll bet you got something nice from the garden... Gonna be butter/garlic/truffle oil sauteed shrimp on a fancy herb pasta. For before dinner drinks its Stoli on ice. The DB2 crew has been busting butt, so tonight I feed them well.
upding for Garlic!
| 37 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:30:20pm |
Where is everybody? Lots of traffic out there tonight. Might have died down but 101 south was pretty darn packed and slowish. And that was after 6 PM.
| 38 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:30:27pm |
re: #13 Charles
Excuse me while I make a Romaine salad with white beans, garbanzo beans, avocado, grated sharp cheddar cheese, sliced white mushrooms, tomatoes, buttermilk croutons, and a low-fat Parmesan Ranch dressing.
NO Garlic?
| 39 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:31:49pm |
Just a little art photo break from my ride home...
| 41 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:33:33pm |
re: #39 Rightwingconspirator
Just a little art photo break from my ride home...
I really like the last one. You took the first one too right? The BW?
| 42 |
Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:34:45pm |
| 43 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:35:14pm |
re: #42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wait...so you're a Sith and a vampire?
NO, Snakes go *Hiss*
| 44 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:35:18pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
Yes, all of them on the way home. The others feature a little zoom focus.
| 45 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:35:26pm |
Today, I tried to iron out the remaining details of my return to work. I got some progress from my employer, but we weren't able to iron things out by close of business. Things I needed to ask for needed to get put in writing, and could not get done before close of business. I hate this trying to make sure exactly what things mean instead of plain speaking, but I understand why its important. I know why getting an ADA accommodation sorted out is so hard, but I really want to get back to work. So I'm going to keep delivering the directness and honesty I need to convey and need to see in return.
Honesty about what you want really is the best policy. I've been honest with my employer, but in trying to get advice I've been irresolute and unwilling to stick with a plan. And that hasn't been fair to my father or my best friend, both of whom have given me different advice on how to handle the situation. So I'm going to honestly draw up a letter stating what I need and if I ask for advice I'll follow it through. I'm not going to try to make them responsible for what I need to do. I'm going to be honest and fair, because that's what they deserve.
Sorry for the personal digression, but its something I needed to say.
| 46 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:36:54pm |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
Today, I tried to iron out the remaining details of my return to work. I got some progress from my employer, but we weren't able to iron things out by close of business. Things I needed to ask for needed to get put in writing, and could not get done before close of business. I hate this trying to make sure exactly what things mean instead of plain speaking, but I understand why its important. I know why getting an ADA accommodation sorted out is so hard, but I really want to get back to work. So I'm going to keep delivering the directness and honesty I need to convey and need to see in return.
Honesty about what you want really is the best policy. I've been honest with my employer, but in trying to get advice I've been irresolute and unwilling to stick with a plan. And that hasn't been fair to my father or my best friend, both of whom have given me different advice on how to handle the situation. So I'm going to honestly draw up a letter stating what I need and if I ask for advice I'll follow it through. I'm not going to try to make them responsible for what I need to do. I'm going to be honest and fair, because that's what they deserve.
Sorry for the personal digression, but its something I needed to say.
Have you had use the statement:
"I've discussed this with my attorney. . ."
yet?
| 47 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:37:12pm |
re: #44 Rightwingconspirator
Yes, all of them on the way home. The others feature a little zoom focus.
I like that one too. Reminds me of the architectural shots from the 60s. Was hoping it would be the same width as the rest. ;)
| 48 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:38:11pm |
Lots of youtubes on the Pages,
What's up with that?
| 49 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:38:30pm |
re: #29 jaunte
That story sounds like something out of of L. A. Confidential.
So, does that make the new CEO of Apple Mickey Cohen or Dudley Smith?
/If you've seen the movie, you'll get this one.
| 51 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:42:51pm |
| 53 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:43:57pm |
| 54 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:44:09pm |
While hanging out with creationists, I've discovered that there is no difference between American Christian Fundamentalist boards and Islamic boards, as long as I use the substitution God==Allah.
| 55 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:44:10pm |
re: #46 ggt
Have you had use the statement:
"I've discussed this with my attorney. . ."yet?
No. I haven't hired an attorney. They cost a lot of money I don't have and don't want to ask from my parents. Ultimately, an attorney would likely be a bluff, since I really could not afford to sue them and labor lawyers don't take cases like mine solely on contingency.
| 56 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:45:03pm |
Charged in Peru, Vandersloot is a psychopath, IMHO.
| 57 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:45:49pm |
re: #55 Dark_Falcon
No. I haven't hired an attorney. They cost a lot of money I don't have and don't want to ask from my parents. Ultimately, an attorney would likely be a bluff, since I really could not afford to sue them and labor lawyers don't take cases like mine solely on contingency.
No, but a consult is usually a good idea.
You pick up useful verbiage and confidence.
| 58 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:46:08pm |
| 61 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:50:57pm |
re: #60 Rightwingconspirator
Ew
poor girl was cornered in the Library and forced to expose her feet and have them rubbed around the man's face.
Too Bizarre. The LIBRARY! No place is safe.
| 62 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:52:55pm |
| 63 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:53:23pm |
attacks women, doesn't try to harm them, just steals their underwear.
| 64 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:54:16pm |
re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. That must have been scary as hell.
NO shit. I'm glad it was only her shoes and feet.
At that age, I was so afraid of the nuns I wouldn't have made a noise in the library--even if someone was trying to hurt me.
| 65 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:55:10pm |
re: #63 ggt
attacks women, doesn't try to harm them, just steals their underwear.
I detect a trend here.
| 66 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 8:57:32pm |
some of these people don't look too good in the before pictures either.
| 68 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:00:50pm |
Chilean air force plane disappears over Pacific
Twenty-one people are feared dead after a Chilean air force plane disappeared over the Pacific Ocean on its way to the remote Juan Fernandez islands.
| 69 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:02:57pm |
re: #57 ggt
No, but a consult is usually a good idea.
You pick up useful verbiage and confidence.
It's a good point. Thanks.
| 70 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:05:34pm |
IMO the soccer player is sexier than the Italian beauty made famous by her former lover.
| 71 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:07:32pm |
Oh boy...
Files Note Close C.I.A. Ties to Qaddafi Spy Unit
By Rod Nordland
Published: September 2, 2011
TRIPOLI, Libya — Documents found at the abandoned office of Libya’s former spymaster appear to provide new details of the close relations the Central Intelligence Agency shared with the Libyan intelligence service — most notably suggesting that the Americans sent terrorism suspects at least eight times for questioning in Libya despite that country’s reputation for torture.
Although it has been known that Western intelligence services began cooperating with Libya after it abandoned its program to build unconventional weapons in 2004, the files left behind as Tripoli fell to rebels show that the cooperation was much more extensive than generally known with both the C.I.A. and its British equivalent, MI-6.
Some documents indicate that the British agency was even willing to trace phone numbers for the Libyans, and another appears to be a proposed speech written by the Americans for Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi about renouncing unconventional weapons.
| 72 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:16:18pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I just got off work, my day started at 9:15 this morning. Have to work tomorrow and Monday.
What is this... "holiday" of which you speak.
| 73 |
compound idaho Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:24:10pm |
re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just got off work, my day started at 9:15 this morning. Have to work tomorrow and Monday.
What is this... "holiday" of which you speak.
I am spending yet one more night in a motel room tonight. I had hoped to finish the field work today, but didn't quite make it. My help is snoring in the bed across the room. I worked him pretty hard today hoping to make it home for the weekend. Americans do work hard. Anyone that works 8/5-40 hrs weeks is very lucky.
| 74 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:30:55pm |
re: #73 compound idaho
In all fairness, I'm a salesperson. I go to people's homes. Average time in a home is 2 hours or so. Three appointments a day. That's really only 6 hours of work time a day.
However, to do those appointments, I also drive 70,000 miles per year.
I get a lot of down time (hotel lobby, waiting on next appointment) which is why I am here so much.
| 75 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:32:55pm |
re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, there's prep work also, and study.
I probably "work" 6-7 hours per day, but it takes 15 hours a day to do it.
| 76 |
compound idaho Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:37:32pm |
re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In all fairness, I'm a salesperson. I go to people's homes. Average time in a home is 2 hours or so. Three appointments a day. That's really only 6 hours of work time a day.
However, to do those appointments, I also drive 70,000 miles per year.
I get a lot of down time (hotel lobby, waiting on next appointment) which is why I am here so much.
Being a technical guy I never appreciated sales until I went into business for myself. The sale is everything. Once the sale is made, I can bang out the technical stuff with little trouble except for the flat tire out in the middle of the sagebrush this afternoon.
Don't get me wrong, the technical stuff must be done with no mistakes, but we are a dime a dozen; sales is different.
| 77 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:42:16pm |
re: #76 compound idaho
Being a technical guy I never appreciated sales until I went into business for myself. The sale is everything. Once the sale is made, I can bang out the technical stuff with little trouble except for the flat tire out in the middle of the sagebrush this afternoon.
Don't get me wrong, the technical stuff must be done with no mistakes, but we are a dime a dozen; sales is different.
Everything you see, everything you use, represents commission to a salesman somewhere.
It would not be in your house, or on the road if it weren't for a salesman.
| 78 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:44:35pm |
| 79 |
Kronocide Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:44:41pm |
Journal editor resigns over 'problematic' climate paper
The editor of a science journal has resigned after admitting that a recent paper casting doubt on man-made climate change should not have been published.
The paper, by US scientists Roy Spencer and William Braswell, claimed that computer models of climate inflated projections of temperature increase.
| 81 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:48:10pm |
re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, there's prep work also, and study.
I probably "work" 6-7 hours per day, but it takes 15 hours a day to do it.
My hubby works 24/7. You have to be Type A, ADHD to last in sales for an entire career --IMHO. He loves it. Get's cranky when he has to do paperwork or spend too much time in the office. He thrives creating new business. It's genetic, I swear. His father, brother, our son . . .
I am good at sales. I follow the formula and can make money, but I burn-out quick.
| 82 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:56:36pm |
I have a question.
Why can't we push for a new fuel --the way we pushed for the Bomb?
Give the guys at MIT, NASA, JPL and whoever a shitload of money and 2-3 year deadline. Offer a big prize at the end for the winner --like-no taxes for the rest of your life.
We throw nickels and dimes at problems and lots of talk while time is awasting.
| 83 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:03:25pm |
Help me out here.
If I am reading this correctly.
Obama has issued 94 Executive Orders in his administration.
Bush II --290
Clinton --363
Bush I --165
| 84 |
prairiefire Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:04:41pm |
re: #76 compound idaho
I will take that as a compliment. We are selling air, an idea, a figment of the imagination! I'm kidding. When I was a food broker, selling food was fun! It was actually "convenience" to the retirement home manager, "romance" to the country club chef, "nutrition and sustenance" to the school food service director.
| 85 |
austin_blue Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:04:52pm |
re: #13 Charles
Excuse me while I make a Romaine salad with white beans, garbanzo beans, avocado, grated sharp cheddar cheese, sliced white mushrooms, tomatoes, buttermilk croutons, and a low-fat Parmesan Ranch dressing.
Gotdam vegitarians! Y'all need to eat BEEF, gotdammit!
As a side note, because of this drought we seem to be experiencing here in Texas-
[Link: droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]
All, the steers are being sold off early and underweight. If you are a carnivore, expect to pay more.
| 87 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:10:07pm |
re: #82 ggt
I have a question.
Why can't we push for a new fuel --the way we pushed for the Bomb?
Give the guys at MIT, NASA, JPL and whoever a shitload of money and 2-3 year deadline. Offer a big prize at the end for the winner --like-no taxes for the rest of your life.
We throw nickels and dimes at problems and lots of talk while time is awasting.
Honestly, because the bomb was a secret program. Since it was kept a very closely guarded secret, it wasn't subjected to lobbying pressures and could move forward swiftly. World War II allowed the A-Bomb program to be kept secret in a way that your proposed fuel program could not be. And once a program like the one you propose comes into the light, everyone hurries in with their own agenda.
That does mean I dismiss your idea out of hand, but it won't work at all like the A-Bomb program worked, because it can't.
| 88 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:11:10pm |
re: #83 ggt
Help me out here.
If I am reading this correctly.
Obama has issued 94 Executive Orders in his administration.
Bush II --290
Clinton --363
Bush I --165
Are those numbers for the entire Clinton and Bush II presidencies, or just their first terms?
| 89 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:11:39pm |
re: #84 prairiefire
I will take that as a compliment. We are selling air, an idea, a figment of the imagination! I'm kidding. When I was a food broker, selling food was fun! It was actually "convenience" to the retirement home manager, "romance" to the country club chef, "nutrition and sustenance" to the school food service director.
Brokering is, IMHO, one of the hardest types of sales. You can lose an account in the blink of an eye.
| 90 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:12:08pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, because the bomb was a secret program. Since it was kept a very closely guarded secret, it wasn't subjected to lobbying pressures and could move forward swiftly. World War II allowed the A-Bomb program to be kept secret in a way that your proposed fuel program could not be. And once a program like the one you propose comes into the light, everyone hurries in with their own agenda.
That does mean I dismiss your idea out of hand, but it won't work at all like the A-Bomb program worked, because it can't.
ah!
| 91 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:12:54pm |
re: #88 Dark_Falcon
Are those numbers for the entire Clinton and Bush II presidencies, or just their first terms?
I believe both terms. It shows Bush II from 2001-2009 etc.
| 92 |
freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:13:21pm |
re: #82 ggt
I have a question.
Why can't we push for a new fuel --the way we pushed for the Bomb?
We have.
After the oil embargo, the US went serious on non-petroleum liquid fuels. When Reagan came into office he pretty much didn't care (as Alaskan oil was coming online, as well as North Sea oil, and oil prices plummeted.)
Alcohol won out (via Ethanol) over time, courtesy of the corn state senators.
Yet all fuels must bow to the laws of thermodynamics, and Joy of Oil is that we are tapping millions of years of stored solar energy courtesy of the little organisms who gave their life for the cause, millions of years ago.
| 93 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:13:48pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, because the bomb was a secret program. Since it was kept a very closely guarded secret, it wasn't subjected to lobbying pressures and could move forward swiftly. World War II allowed the A-Bomb program to be kept secret in a way that your proposed fuel program could not be. And once a program like the one you propose comes into the light, everyone hurries in with their own agenda.
That does mean I dismiss your idea out of hand, but it won't work at all like the A-Bomb program worked, because it can't.
Shame, we have the human and non-human resources to do it.
| 94 |
prairiefire Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:14:14pm |
re: #89 ggt
Brokering is, IMHO, one of the hardest types of sales. You can lose an account in the blink of an eye.
I liked selling containers full of rice and french fries. In food service there are one or two year contracts. My boss had a kind of tourettes mental disease as far as how much he tried to alienate important clients.
I'd like to get back into it one day.
Night, lizards.
| 95 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:20:01pm |
re: #92 freetoken
We have.
After the oil embargo, the US went serious on non-petroleum liquid fuels. When Reagan came into office he pretty much didn't care (as Alaskan oil was coming online, as well as North Sea oil, and oil prices plummeted.)
Alcohol won out (via Ethanol) over time, courtesy of the corn state senators.
Yet all fuels must bow to the laws of thermodynamics, and Joy of Oil is that we are tapping millions of years of stored solar energy courtesy of the little organisms who gave their life for the cause, millions of years ago.
Hey. Just wanted to say. Thanks for bringing up the oh so important topic about that poster in my education page. Seriously. Sometimes I wish we had the ability to delete comments in our own pages.
| 96 |
Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:20:35pm |
re: #95 Gus 802
Hey. Just wanted to say. Thanks for bringing up the oh so important topic about that POSTER in my education page. Seriously. Sometimes I wish we had the ability to delete comments in our own pages.
Fixed.
| 97 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:21:55pm |
re: #91 ggt
I believe both terms. It shows Bush II from 2001-2009 etc.
OK. Given that and the fact that Obama still has more than a year left, I'd say his number of orders issued is lower, but not alarmingly so.
| 98 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:23:16pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
OK. Given that and the fact that Obama still has more than a year left, I'd say his number of orders issued is lower, but not alarmingly so.
I keep hearing from the *Fox Viewers* in my life how Obama is tearing apart the constituion thru Executive Orders.
I perused the list, and didn't see anything that stood out. I guess I have to actually READ them to see what they are nit-picking about.
| 99 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:28:52pm |
ah!
I think I may see the problem.
Many important policy changes have occurred through Executive Orders. Harry Truman integrated the armed forces under Executive Order. President Eisenhower used an EO to desegregate schools. Presidents Kennedy and Johnson used them to bar racial discrimination in federal housing, hiring, and contracting. President Reagan used an EO to bar the use of federal funds for advocating abortion. President Clinton reversed this order when he came into office.
Wingnuts don't like such things.
| 100 |
Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:30:03pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, because the bomb was a secret program. Since it was kept a very closely guarded secret, it wasn't subjected to lobbying pressures and could move forward swiftly. World War II allowed the A-Bomb program to be kept secret in a way that your proposed fuel program could not be. And once a program like the one you propose comes into the light, everyone hurries in with their own agenda.
That does mean I dismiss your idea out of hand, but it won't work at all like the A-Bomb program worked, because it can't.
Not to mention the Manhattan Project was, for the most part, a military project. Groves controlled things with an iron fist and ultimately answered to FDR, rather than to Congress or any other civilian authority. Today, if you tried to run such a major project as a purely military one, Congress would go ballistic. Talk of a "military state," of "rogue generals," and generally of a disbelief in the idea that the military could handle such a project without extensive civilian oversight.
| 101 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:31:07pm |
re: #98 ggt
I keep hearing from the *Fox Viewers* in my life how Obama is tearing apart the constituion thru Executive Orders.
I perused the list, and didn't see anything that stood out. I guess I have to actually READ them to see what they are nit-picking about.
It's mostly just alarmism fed by media and the net. Obama's policies are left-liberal, but he's not some malefactor.
| 102 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:33:49pm |
There are also Presidental Policy Directives --regarding Homeland Security.
Notice PSD 2 --LOL
PSD 1 Organizing for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism 23 February 09
PSD 2 [on classified space activities]
PSD 3 [review of U.S. national space policy] May 09
PSD 4
PSD 5
PSD 6
PSD 7 [review of global development policy] 31 Aug 09
PSD 8 [export control reform] 21 Dec 09
PSD 9 Strengthening our Military Families: Meeting America's Commitment (Fact Sheet, report) May 10
PSD 10 Creation of an Interagency Atrocities Prevention Board and Corresponding Interagency Review 04 Aug 11
PSD 11 (?) [political reform in the Middle East and North Africa] 12 Aug 10
| 103 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:36:17pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
It's mostly just alarmism fed by media and the net. Obama's policies are left-liberal, but he's not some malefactor.
I know, I just like to be informed.
| 104 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:36:59pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
OK. Given that and the fact that Obama still has more than a year left, I'd say his number of orders issued is lower, but not alarmingly so.
Yeah, he could catch up quite easily.
| 105 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:38:06pm |
re: #98 ggt
I keep hearing from the *Fox Viewers* in my life how Obama is tearing apart the constituion thru Executive Orders.
I perused the list, and didn't see anything that stood out. I guess I have to actually READ them to see what they are nit-picking about.
I think it's like czars--people who never took any note before of what presidents do, so everything Obama does seems unprecedented and scary to them.
| 106 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:39:36pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's like czars--people who never took any note before of what presidents do, so everything Obama does seems unprecedented and scary to them.
I think they are paying attention like they never have before too! Making sure the Marxist doesn't take over, or whatever. So anything he does--no matter how many POTUS's did it before--is going to seem new to them.
Especially since they get all their *facts* from TV and don't do their own research.
| 107 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:40:41pm |
All Right Lizards,
Monster Puppy wore me out today and I have a full day tomorow.
Have a great morning!
| 108 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:41:25pm |
re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not to mention the Manhattan Project was, for the most part, a military project. Groves controlled things with an iron fist and ultimately answered to FDR, rather than to Congress or any other civilian authority. Today, if you tried to run such a major project as a purely military one, Congress would go ballistic. Talk of a "military state," of "rogue generals," and generally of a disbelief in the idea that the military could handle such a project without extensive civilian oversight.
Exactly So. Very few people question that World War II gave FDR some extraordinary powers that presidents normally don't have. The one of these powers on point in this case was that on his order, Congress was not made aware of the program. When as a Senator, Harry Truman ran across the program's name, he was told his committee could not look into it for security reasons. That could not happen today. Some people in Congress would have to be briefed.
The A-Bomb program was in many ways unique. It was done in conditions of national mobilization that can only happen in wartime. We are not likely to see such conditions again, in large part because pf the development of nuclear weapons. Any foe powerful enough that we'd need national mobilization now has the ability to nuke us.
| 109 |
Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:47:46pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Exactly So. Very few people question that World War II gave FDR some extraordinary powers that presidents normally don't have. The one of these powers on point in this case was that on his order, Congress was not made aware of the program. When as a Senator, Harry Truman ran across the program's name, he was told his committee could not look into it for security reasons. That could not happen today. Some people in Congress would have to be briefed.
The A-Bomb program was in many ways unique. It was done in conditions of national mobilization that can only happen in wartime. We are not likely to see such conditions again, in large part because pf the development of nuclear weapons. Any foe powerful enough that we'd need national mobilization now has the ability to nuke us.
Very true. I'd say the closest peacetime equivalent of what we wish to accomplish would be the Apollo Program, based both upon sheer size and organization. But again, such a program would go nowhere today, because the sort of pioneering spirit, that desire to be the best at everything, has gone out of America. Today, we'd look at such a program and zero in immediately on the price tag that said "This Space Left Intentionally Blank."
| 110 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:48:07pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's like czars--people who never took any note before of what presidents do, so everything Obama does seems unprecedented and scary to them.
People also weigh the exact same thing done by Obama completely differently as when someone else does it. The czars bit is a perfect example - though I'd say a lot of that wasn't out of ignorance, it was out of hypocrisy and butthurt. Those were people old enough to remember Reagan's czars, let alone Nixons, given that many voted for those people.
| 111 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:49:05pm |
re: #107 ggt
All Right Lizards,
Monster Puppy wore me out today and I have a full day tomorow.
Have a great morning!
I hope you'll post pics of Monster Puppy. He sounds so cute.
| 112 |
Varek Raith Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:49:44pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
It's coming.
Mark my words!
Stock bottlecaps!
| 113 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:02:17pm |
re: #109 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Very true. I'd say the closest peacetime equivalent of what we wish to accomplish would be the Apollo Program, based both upon sheer size and organization. But again, such a program would go nowhere today, because the sort of pioneering spirit, that desire to be the best at everything, has gone out of America. Today, we'd look at such a program and zero in immediately on the price tag that said "This Space Left Intentionally Blank."
I think that the Cold War played a role though. We had a rival, someone we needed to be better than. Great nations are measured against other great nations. When the Soviet Union died, a portion of America's drive died with it.
| 114 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:02:19pm |
re: #110 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
People also weigh the exact same thing done by Obama completely differently as when someone else does it. The czars bit is a perfect example - though I'd say a lot of that wasn't out of ignorance, it was out of hypocrisy and butthurt. Those were people old enough to remember Reagan's czars, let alone Nixons, given that many voted for those people.
I was honestly never sure, and still am not, of the ignorance to hypocrisy factor. There was a period when every Tea Party video had some earnest-looking soul babbling about czars, and how they didn't vote for the czars, and who are they, and what's happening to America, and I would look at them and think 'this cannot possibly be the first time they've ever heard of this concept'. But it sure seemed like it.
The TPer rank and file, more than anything, seemed confused to me about U.S. government. They didn't know how it worked, and they were terrified by the amount of raw power Obama seemed to have access to. It was as though they'd just woken up in the United States, and although they knew they were highly emotionally invested in the country, they were sort of vague on how it normally operated. A lot of people complained that everyone kept saying "Bush did it" to them, but that wasn't to justify anything Obama did, it was to provide context, that nothing new or scary was going on.
| 116 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:25:39pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
The TPer rank and file, more than anything, seemed confused to me about U.S. government.
Miseducated, and stage-managed, is what they look like to me. I got on a bunch of their mailing lists and a few of their boards to see what they were squawking about. I just saw a lot of the same crap we're seeing now, this "who does he think he is" and semi-apocalyptic type of b.s.
But that's only one measure- never went to any of those rallies, though I'd always intended to. So, that's one perspective.
| 117 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:29:40pm |
Germany is out of Durban III.
That's nine nations, thank you!
| 118 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:46:27pm |
Weird article from Pakistan's The Nation: CIA recruits 1,500 from Mazar-e-Sharif to fight in Libya
What to make of it?
| 119 |
Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:58:37pm |
re: #118 000G
Weird article from Pakistan's The Nation: CIA recruits 1,500 from Mazar-e-Sharif to fight in Libya
What to make of it?
Sub-moron conspiracy claim. The comments are a hoot.
| 120 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Sep 3, 2011 12:03:20am |
| 121 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Sep 3, 2011 12:04:23am |
re: #120 000G
Best comment at the YT link:
Wow, a factory worker used to be able to support a family alone and afford a house.
| 122 |
AK-47% Sat, Sep 3, 2011 12:35:00am |
re: #99 ggt
ah!
I think I may see the problem.
Wingnuts don't like such things.
just another talking point: "Obama is wrecking our constitutional rights because he (fill in the blank)". Their target readers (who are laready convinced that Obama=Hilter) do not even get past the fill in the blank part, they are already seething with outrage by that point....
| 127 |
boxhead Sat, Sep 3, 2011 2:10:02am |
| 128 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 2:15:07am |
Sad day for Tampa. Lee Roy Selmon had a stroke and is listed in extremely critical condition. He is one of many athletes to come to the Bay area and stay after his playing days were over. His list of accomplishments in Tampa is awesome. He has a chain of restaurants that bear his name, which is barely mentioned in the article. Some of the recipes on his menu are actually his mom's recipes.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
| 129 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 2:18:05am |
re: #127 boxhead
good morning back at you
Early weekend mornings are slow. And I'm doing this without coffee. Dammit!!
| 131 |
AK-47% Sat, Sep 3, 2011 2:59:27am |
morning and laterto you all, off to Frankfurt to busk a bit on the Bergerstrasse, got this tune from the Old Blind Dogs packed in the baggage:
| 132 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:06:18am |
I see you Rouge. Have you seen/posted this?
[Link: www.newsnet5.com...]
| 133 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:08:40am |
re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yeah. That was the 3rd video where he threatened to kill someone during the traffic stop. I only have to go to Canton one more time this month, hopefully he'll still be on sick leave when I do.
| 134 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:15:24am |
re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar
I see you Rouge. Have you seen/posted this?
[Link: www.newsnet5.com...]
I was on it!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 135 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:17:52am |
re: #134 RogueOne
Well, it's good to know you're not just taking up valuable bandwidth.
| 136 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:22:01am |
re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't you mention something about people taking "Apollo 18" seriously?
[Link: www.reelz.com...]
The American moviegoing public will believe anything they see.
That's apparently the perception of the bigwigs at NASA because the agency has released a statement, reassuring people that there was no Apollo 18 mission that landed on the moon — and just in case the dense American public can't then make the next leap, that no astronauts on the non-existant mission encountered something on the moon and never made it back.
| 137 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:24:39am |
re: #136 RogueOne
Didn't you mention something about people taking "Apollo 18" seriously?
[Link: www.reelz.com...]
NASA saying they aren't covering anything up IS PART OF THE COVER UP!!!!
| 138 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:28:10am |
re: #137 Cannadian Club Akbar
It looks like it could be a good movie. I watched "your highness" (awful) and "Attack the block" (excellent!) last night.
[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com...]
| 139 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:35:53am |
Attack the Block was my 2nd favorite movie of the year. The best so far is still:
Tucker and Dale VS. Evil
[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com...]
Tucker and Dale is right up your guys alley. Outstanding, hilarious movie.
| 140 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:39:04am |
re: #138 RogueOne
I saw Blair Witch, which Apollo 18 is getting some comparisons too. I hated Blair Witch. A&E had a Criminal Minds marathon yesterday. I like the show but I saw some of the earlier shows yesterday and could tell by some really predictable dialogue.
| 141 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:41:41am |
re: #139 RogueOne
That sounds good according to the comments.
| 142 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:46:26am |
re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar
That sounds good according to the comments.
It is. Very, very funny take on teen slasher movies. If Navy had seen it on a boat he'd know it by heart.
| 143 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:01:02am |
THE SCARIEST JOBS CHART EVER
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
Image: chart-of-the-day-scariest-jobs-chat-ever-sept-2011.jpg
| 144 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:05:28am |
Heh... there are wing-nuts in the video.
| 145 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:07:37am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I meant to post this for you yesterday on FB.
[Link: www.morningstarfarms.com...]
| 146 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:10:13am |
Black Unemployment Jumped To STAGGERING New Highs In August
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
The unemployment rate for black Americans spiked to a shocking 16.7% in August, up from 15.9% the previous month. It's now the highest it has been during Barack Obama's presidency, up from the previous record of 16.5% in March and April 2010.
The unemployment rate for black males rose a whole percentage point to 18%. Even more staggeringly, the black youth unemployment rate in August was 46.5%, up from 39.2% in July.
and related....
Here's Why Black Unemployment Has Gone Through The Roof
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
Last month's disturbingly high black unemployment rate is evidence that African Americans have been disproportionately affected by the shrinking public-sector.
The public sector is the most important source of employment for African Americans and a key source of high-paying jobs, especially for black women, according to a study by the U.C. Berkeley Department of Labor. African Americans are 30% more likely to hold government jobs than other workers; from 2008-2010, 21.2% of black workers were employed in the public sector, compared to just 16.3% of non-black workers.
| 147 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:13:57am |
re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've had those. But I don't really like them (they smell like feet while they're cooking) ... I want to know how I can get the ones from Chilis.
Thank you in advance.
| 148 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:15:27am |
| 149 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:16:06am |
43-year-old Dexter Austin, 38-year-old Timothy Howard and 28-year-old Antonio Bradley have all been charged with one count each of battery on a sports official. A 14-year-old has also been charged.
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]
Charges from the story I posted yesterday.
| 150 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:17:06am |
re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar
That was one big fuckin' 14 year old. I hope they throw his ass in jail.
| 151 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:17:25am |
re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar
....
Charges from the story I posted yesterday.
Even if the guy they hauled off the field in an ambulance didn't want to press charges you knew this was coming.
| 152 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:18:10am |
re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar
43-year-old Dexter Austin, 38-year-old Timothy Howard and 28-year-old Antonio Bradley have all been charged with one count each of battery on a sports official. A 14-year-old has also been charged.
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]Charges from the story I posted yesterday.
Give refs tasers.
That'll learn the little bastards.
;)
| 154 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:20:10am |
re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've had those. But I don't really like them (they smell like feet while they're cooking) ... I want to know how I can get the ones from Chilis.
Thank you in advance.
That's what we originally used. Just looked over a menu on their website. It wasn't even on there.
| 155 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:20:55am |
| 156 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:24:18am |
re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fargin' iceholes.
| 157 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:25:49am |
re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fargin' iceholes.
I thought it went; "When the bear comes to take a pea, kick him in the ice hole"?
| 158 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:28:53am |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sure either coaches or family members.
...or crowd members, or people walking by....none of which really helps in answering my question...///
Coaches roughing up refs and parents coming out of the stands requires two very different reasons for being outraged. I'd like to know for sure where to direct my displeasure.
| 159 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:31:08am |
re: #158 RogueOne
...or crowd members, or people walking by...none of which really helps in answering my question...///
Coaches roughing up refs and parents coming out of the stands requires two very different reasons for being outraged. I'd like to know for sure where to direct my displeasure.
Fine. The 14 year old was a parent. Not sure about the rest.
///
| 160 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:33:47am |
Hernando County's takeover of jail brings year of sweeping changes
De-privatizing the jail saved the county about a million bucks.
| 161 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:35:34am |
Good morning, Honcos!
Here's the radar for Louisiana.
Plus, we're under a tornado warning.
The Roi is stuck out on the rig; no flights possible.
argh.
| 164 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:36:51am |
re: #160 Varek Raith
From the link:
Still, the jail faces considerable challenges that officials say CCA left behind. The same major maintenance problems that last year erupted into controversy are still not fixed, and it's unclear whether the money set aside by the County Commission will be enough to build a planned new standalone medical facility and cover the numerous repairs ahead.
Most of the physical problems could have been avoided, Page said, if CCA had just honored its agreement with the county.
"If they had performed routine maintenance as they should have and as their contract required," he said, "this building would look 10 times better."
Because of the unresolved maintenance questions, the county withheld a $1.8 million final payment to CCA and has been sued in federal court by the company. That case is not yet resolved.
Fuckin' slander!!!
| 165 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:37:50am |
re: #161 reine.de.tout
Good morning, Honcos!
Here's the radar for Louisiana.
Plus, we're under a tornado warning.
The Roi is stuck out on the rig; no flights possible.
argh.
Be careful.
| 166 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:38:26am |
re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar
From the link:
Still, the jail faces considerable challenges that officials say CCA left behind. The same major maintenance problems that last year erupted into controversy are still not fixed, and it's unclear whether the money set aside by the County Commission will be enough to build a planned new standalone medical facility and cover the numerous repairs ahead.Most of the physical problems could have been avoided, Page said, if CCA had just honored its agreement with the county.
"If they had performed routine maintenance as they should have and as their contract required," he said, "this building would look 10 times better."
Because of the unresolved maintenance questions, the county withheld a $1.8 million final payment to CCA and has been sued in federal court by the company. That case is not yet resolved.
Fuckin' slander!!!
Man, I'm slow.
Took me a few seconds to get it.
Lol.
| 167 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:39:03am |
re: #162 Obdicut
re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks, y'all!
As you can see, I still have electricity.
Which is the best possible news.
I'll be fine, I just hate being here by my lonesome.
And the Roi's rig is 40 miles from the "center" of this system; he'll probably get worse weather than I'll have.
| 168 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:39:03am |
re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw what you did there.
| 169 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:40:13am |
re: #166 Varek Raith
Man, I'm slow.
Took me a few seconds to get it.
Lol.
You're not slow.
You just aren't paying attention.
| 170 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:40:23am |
TS Lee is moving slow. Real slow.
Image: 085214W5_NL_sm.gif
| 171 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:41:40am |
And I'm not liking this.
Image: 085813W5_NL_sm.gif
Give us a break!
Sheesh.
| 172 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:44:09am |
re: #171 Varek Raith
And I'm not liking this.
Image: 085813W5_NL_sm.gif
Give us a break!
Sheesh.
If you ever hear someone in public say "Cone of Wobble" place your hands over your ears and scream "CONE OF DEATH!! CONE OF DEATH!!!" People like it when you do that.
| 173 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:50:50am |
re: #160 Varek Raith
Hernando County's takeover of jail brings year of sweeping changes
De-privatizing the jail saved the county about a million bucks.
FTA:
The kitchen staff has also found savings. Hot breakfast meals were replaced with cold ones. Now, the average meal costs 84 cents. Sgt. James Johnston, who's in charge of the kitchen, has also made deals with several farmers to pick up and use their produce before it expires.
I'd starve on $.84!
| 174 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:51:35am |
| 175 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:53:07am |
re: #167 reine.de.tout
re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks, y'all!
As you can see, I still have electricity.
Which is the best possible news.
I'll be fine, I just hate being here by my lonesome.
And the Roi's rig is 40 miles from the "center" of this system; he'll probably get worse weather than I'll have.
I would think the first time you get hit with a big storm out there it has to be cool but I bet it would get old real quick.
| 176 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:53:43am |
re: #173 RogueOne
FTA:
I'd starve on $.84!
You can make a good breakfast for .84. 2 eggs, hard boiled, grits, 2 slices of bread. Maybe a piece of fruit.
| 177 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:54:52am |
| 178 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 4:55:22am |
| 180 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:02:09am |
Update!
NMSP officer fired over sex scandal
[Link: www.kob.com...]
The New Mexico State Police officer who made headlines after he was photographed having sex on the hood of a Honda was fired late this week.
According to our news partners at The Santa Fe New Mexican, Bert Lopez was informed by the Department of Public Safety that he no longer had a job.
It is unclear when the decision was made.
Lopez was named the 2009 District 1 state police officer of the year and was honored for going above and beyond the call of duty in July.
See, He just likes to help too much. For all we know that poor lady could have been having convulsions and he was holding her down to keep her safe.
| 182 |
Varek Raith Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:04:13am |
| 183 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:04:29am |
re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
With his penis inside her.
That's were mine would be if she was convulsing.
| 184 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:05:36am |
| 185 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:06:40am |
re: #184 RogueOne
duh, to keep her from choking.
And thank God he undid that restrictive bra to let her breathe!!!
| 187 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:08:30am |
Pure coincidence I'm sure:
Arrests were racially motivated, say salespeople
[Link: www.ksl.com...]
JEREMY RANCH, Summit County — Eight African-American door-to-door salespeople found themselves in jail this week for soliciting without a license, while they say their white colleague went free.
The incident Tuesday involving Summit County sheriff's deputies has the five men and three women claiming racial discrimination.
"I felt like it was kind of biased for us to be arrested and her not to be for doing the same thing," said Detroit native Ryan Jackson, a 44-year-old salesman for Adavanage Diversified Products. The Illinois-based company dispatches its sales force around the country to sell organic cleaning products.
| 189 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:10:53am |
re: #187 RogueOne
The 20yr old young lady they let go:
[Link: www.ksl.com...]
| 190 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:12:11am |
Guy's wife is in a coma. They call him to the hospital. He get's there; the doctor tells him that while the nurses were bathing her when they got to her naughty parts, she stirred.
The man says, "My goodness! What are we going to do?"
The doctor says, "Well for the nurses to keep stimulating her seemed wrong. We were thinking that oral sex may bring her around."
The man says, "Of course! I'll try anything!" He goes into the room.
Doctors and nurses watch the monitors with anticipation. Suddenly the lines go haywire then flat-lines.
They rush into the room the man is crying. They said, "What happened!?!?"
The man said, "She must've choked!"
| 191 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:13:14am |
re: #187 RogueOne
Maybe she screwed the officer on the hood of his car... Ever think about that? I hear there's video.
| 192 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:17:09am |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe she screwed the officer on the hood of his car... Ever think about that? I hear there's video.
I'm sure she's a nice girl, it is utah after all. Racist and horny is not a good combination...especially when it comes with a gun and a badge.
| 193 |
Obdicut Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:18:14am |
Sweet. My wife got me Ardbeg for my birthday.
[Link: www.ardbeg.com...]
Not only is it a great fucking scotch, but the text on the back is hilarious. Here it is, with punctuation and capitalization preserved:
Of all of Islay's whiskies, it is ARDBEG which stands alone as the DEEPEST and most BALANCED: revered by connoisseurs as something EXTRAORDINARY.
Typically most whiskies are chill-filtered and reduced to a strength of 40% abv. ARDBEG 10 years old, however, is NON CHILL-FILTERED and has a strength of 46% abv. thus retaining MAXIMUM FLAVOUR, at the same time giving more body and added depth. On adding water a little cloudiness may occur which is PERFECTLY NATURAL and is not a matter for concern.
| 195 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:22:09am |
Sheriff Joe:
County pays retired judge $100K to settle claim
[Link: www.kpho.com...]
Maricopa County has settled a claim with a retired superior court judge. It's the first of several claims filed by county officials who say they were harmed by prosecutions and lawsuits initiated by Sheriff Joe Arpaio and former County Attorney Andrew Thomas.
The Arizona Republic reports the county paid $100,000 to retired Superior Court Judge Kenneth Fields to settle his claim that Arpaio and Thomas retaliated against him for adverse rulings and named him in a federal civil racketeering suit.
The allegations included abuse of process, malicious prosecution, defamation, slander and libel.
You would think that eventually this stuff would start adding up with people. This idiot is a hero to some people.
| 196 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:23:13am |
| 198 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:27:22am |
re: #196 RogueOne
or she loves him when he's liquored up
or she loves his best friend when he's passed out.
| 199 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:28:27am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think you might be liquored up! I enjoyed Killgore the other night, you guys should drink more often.
| 200 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:29:41am |
re: #199 RogueOne
That was prettyfuckin'funny.
| 201 |
Obdicut Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:29:50am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh. No, she currently hates my best friend for some stupid drunken shit he pulled with her best friend the other day. I think I posted about it.
My best friend is a bit of a glorious moron.
| 202 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:37:17am |
I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I think the cop might be getting screwed. He was arrested for possessing a gun but one of the guns they caught him with, I believe, they gave him when they hired him to be a cop:
Cop fired over felony got other police jobs
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
Smith was an officer in south suburban Harvey when he was arrested for mail fraud in 1997. He was fired after he was convicted the next year. He served four months in prison and received two months of probation, records show.
Despite his conviction, the police department in south suburban Markham hired Smith as a police officer in January 2006, prosecutors said. Smith was on the Markham force until October 2010 when he was fired because he did not have a state Firearm Owner’s Identification card, which Illinois residents must have to possess a gun. State law bars felons from receiving a FOID card.
After his firing in Markham, Smith landed a K-9 officer job in Robbins. Smith was arrested Thursday. Investigators found a loaded handgun in a duty belt in the back seat of Smith’s car and discovered another loaded handgun during a search of his home, prosecutors said.
| 203 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:41:32am |
God hates this guy:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
RALEIGH, N.C. (CN) - A man who was eating a taco at a Raleigh bus stop says a cop swept-kicked him to the ground, broke his leg and arrested him, then hauled him before a judge who sentenced him to 30 days in jail for contempt, because he could not stand on his broken leg.
It sounds like something that would happen to my brother.
| 204 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:41:57am |
re: #202 RogueOne
I would think that he would be responsible for knowing what was in the duty belt. If it can be shown he didn't for whatever reason, then they wouldn't have a reason to search his home.
| 205 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:44:16am |
re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar
If they hired him to be a cop and gave him a gun...I don't see how they can then turn around and arrest him for having the gun. It would be like a cop walking up to you saying "here hold this" and then charging you with possession.
| 206 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:47:41am |
re: #203 RogueOne
God hates this guy:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
It sounds like something that would happen to my brother.
"Artis leaned forward and saw what appeared to be a discarded can of beer that had been concealed from his view" by a newspaper rack. He says he told Rollins, "'Why, Officer, if that beer were mine, I would be enjoying it with my meal.'" And he resumed eating his taco.
That's when the beating started....
//
| 208 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:50:03am |
Even if you're colorblind you can still tell the difference between black and white:
Arlington settles Taser suit against police for $25,000
[Link: www.star-telegram.com...]
ARLINGTON -- City officials have settled a lawsuit for $25,000 after a police officer mistakenly used a Taser twice on an African-American man while pursuing a car theft suspect who was white and nearly 70 pounds heavier.
....
Even though Vo was told several times by witnesses in the pool hall that he was after the wrong man, the officer charged toward Pierce and discharged his Taser, hitting him in the back, the suit alleged. Pierce maintained that he didn't resist arrest.
| 209 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 3, 2011 5:51:35am |
I have someone working on my house today. I am going to be off and on all day.
| 210 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:00:46am |
re: #209 PhillyPretzel
Thank you for contributing to the recovery.
| 211 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:08:28am |
Pretty cool. Every holiday weekend when I hope I won't be busy, I get slammed. Today? Wasn't even expecting a holiday weekend (I forgot) today? Only two appointments and I'll drive less than 30 miles. For perspective? I normally have three appointments and drive over 200 miles.
Evening off to watch the footballs.
Hubba.
| 212 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:15:23am |
re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The girls are all going out for the day so I have the house to myself! I want to get some yard work in but mostly I'm looking forward to the quiet.
| 213 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:26:03am |
I missed this story:
Anonymous Roars Back With 3GB Leak of Texas Police Chief Emails: "That stupid bitch got what she deserved"
The first comment:
[Link: gizmodo.com...]
| 214 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:29:05am |
re: #212 RogueOne
I forget the comedian, but the line was, "You wanna know why dads mow the yard? Because when you're mowing the yard, you can't hear those fuckin' kids."
| 217 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:54:41am |
re: #212 RogueOne
The girls are all going out for the day so I have the house to myself! I want to get some yard work in but mostly I'm looking forward to the quiet.
I see a couch with a man in his undies sitting on it, holding a bag of Cheetos in one hand and the remote in the other
| 219 |
RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:57:20am |
re: #217 sattv4u2
I do have a couple bad movies scheduled. Super and Zombie Diaries
| 221 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 6:59:36am |
re: #218 sattv4u2
reine
You weathering the rains okay!?!?
hey, satt.
I still have power.
But we've been under tornado warning all morning, and a new one was just issued.
Rain isn't so bad - I'm getting some winds (and it will get worse according to the forecast) and they're swirling around in all different directions. Makes me nervous. Esp. since I'm home alone. And I don't know how to work the generator! *sob* So I hope to keep my power.
| 222 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:03:40am |
Another ex-Gitmo resident dies in battle....
NATO: Man with al Qaeda links killed in Afghanistan
A local tribal leader said the man was a former Guantanamo detainee.
Melma was released from the U.S. Navy's detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in 2007 after being held for nearly five years, said Haji Sahib Rohullah Wakil, a tribal elder in Kunar.
| 223 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:03:46am |
re: #221 reine.de.tout
hey, satt.
I still have power.
But we've been under tornado warning all morning, and a new one was just issued.Rain isn't so bad - I'm getting some winds (and it will get worse according to the forecast) and they're swirling around in all different directions. Makes me nervous. Esp. since I'm home alone. And I don't know how to work the generator! *sob* So I hope to keep my power.
Could be one of two ways
1st, if it's on a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) system the generator should kick on and take over once it senses you have lost shore power (your regular electricity)
2nd way is you have to manually start the generator (depending on type/model it could either be an ignition switch or a pull chain, similar to one on a lawn mower) After it's starts you there should be some sort of switch to change from shore power to the generator
| 224 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:04:27am |
re: #222 Killgore Trout
Another ex-Gitmo resident dies in battle...
NATO: Man with al Qaeda links killed in Afghanistan
Read that earlier
Good thing we let him go!!
wait ,, WHAT !?!?
//
| 225 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:06:50am |
re: #223 sattv4u2
Could be one of two ways
1st, if it's on a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) system the generator should kick on and take over once it senses you have lost shore power (your regulat electricity)
2nd way is you have to manually start the generator (depending on type/model it could either be an ignition switch or a pull chain, similar to one on a lawn mower) After it's starts you there should be some sort of switch to change from shore power to the generator
It's the 2nd one. The Roi showed me what to do. But it went in one ear and out the other. There's a choke, and I've got to switch switches - pfft.
| 226 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:09:51am |
Man Dies From Toothache, Couldn't Afford Meds
A 24-year-old Cincinnati father died from a tooth infection this week because he couldn't afford his medication, offering a sobering reminder of the importance of oral health and the number of people without access to dental or health care.
According to NBC affiliate WLWT, Kyle Willis' wisdom tooth started hurting two weeks ago. When dentists told him it needed to be pulled, he decided to forgo the procedure, because he was unemployed and had no health insurance.
When his face started swelling and his head began to ache, Willis went to the emergency room, where he received prescriptions for antibiotics and pain medications. Willis couldn't afford both, so he chose the pain medications.
The tooth infection spread, causing his brain to swell. He died Tuesday
| 227 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:10:26am |
re: #224 sattv4u2
Read that earlier
Good thing we let him go!!
wait ,, WHAT !?!?
//
...and the lefties still wonder why Obama hasn't shut down Gitmo.
| 228 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:11:36am |
re: #225 reine.de.tout
It's the 2nd one. The Roi showed me what to do. But it went in one ear and out the other. There's a choke, and I've got to switch switches - pfft.
K,,,, There may be a primer (a little plastic 'bubble' you pump a few times to get the fuel started) set the choke (regulates the initial amount of fuel into the engine) then pull the cord till it starts
Set the choke back to the original position
Switch the switch
OR
Book a Holiday Inn for the next two nights!!
| 229 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:12:51am |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
...and the lefties still wonder why Obama hasn't shut down Gitmo.
but ,, But ,, BUT
GITMO!!!!!
| 230 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:16:17am |
Epic Frog
| 231 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:16:36am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
K,,, There may be a primer (a little plastic 'bubble' you pump a few times to get the fuel started) set the choke (regulates the initial amount of fuel into the engine) then pull the cord till it starts
Set the choke back to the original position
Switch the switch
OR
Book a Holiday Inn for the next two nights!!
heh!
Yes, your instructions sound about like what I was told, LOL. I'm gonna print 'em out, in case I need them.
| 232 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:18:32am |
The good news is
Israel blockade of Gaza legal, UN review says
But they couldn't resist a jab at Israel nontheless
Force against Turkish flotilla called excessive
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 233 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:21:21am |
| 234 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:25:54am |
re: #231 reine.de.tout
heh!
Yes, your instructions sound about like what I was told, LOL. I'm gonna print 'em out, in case I need them.
After our 1st winter in Atlanta (we lost power 5 times due to "snow/ice" storms) I installed a UPS system for the house
We'd get 1/4 inch of snow and everything would shut down for days. Half an hour after the "snow" would stop, the roads would be totally dry. The only remnants of the "snow' would be a little in the trees and on the power lines out on the main roads (most subdivisions have underground utilities)
Of course, the 1/4 inch would be enough to knock out a line somewhere along the grid and pop transformers the rest of the way
We'd be without power anywhere from 6-36 hours
| 235 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:29:56am |
And just as I give the UN a half a prop, we get
[Link: www.boston.com...]
UN troops traded food for sex
Not a fan of Wikileaks (how the report came out), but the US embassy had post knowledge of this (where the report came from)
| 236 |
Renaissance_Man Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:30:42am |
| 237 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:33:17am |
re: #234 sattv4u2
After our 1st winter in Atlanta (we lost power 5 times due to "snow/ice" storms) I installed a UPS system for the house
We'd get 1/4 inch of snow and everything would shut down for days. Half an hour after the "snow" would stop, the roads would be totally dry. The only remnants of the "snow' would be a little in the trees and on the power lines out on the main roads (most subdivisions have underground utilities)
Of course, the 1/4 inch would be enough to knock out a line somewhere along the grid and pop transformers the rest of the way
We'd be without power anywhere from 6-36 hours
Well, I want one, but we lose power for extended periods maybe once every 3 to 5 years. The Roi thinks the expense of installing it isn't worth it.
| 238 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:35:08am |
re: #232 sattv4u2
The good news is
Israel blockade of Gaza legal, UN review says
But they couldn't resist a jab at Israel nontheless
Force against Turkish flotilla called excessive
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Jimmy Carter's friends are not happy...
Hamas official: Palmer Report 'biased'
Hamas official in Gaza Mahmoud Zahar called the UN's Palmer Report a 'biased' document, in an interview to a Lebanese newspaper on Saturday.
In his interview Zahar said that "when the report ruled that the blockade on Gaza is legal, it means that it justifies Israel's attempt to prevent any side from breaking the siege imposed on a million and a half Palestinians in Gaza."
| 239 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:38:25am |
| 240 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:39:04am |
Most notably, the documents suggest the Americans sent terrorism suspects at least eight times for questioning in Libya, despite that country's reputation for torture.
While it has been known that Western intelligence services began co-operating with Libya after it abandoned its program to build unconventional weapons in 2004, the files show it was much more extensive than generally known with both the CIA and its British equivalent, MI6.
Some documents indicate the British agency was even willing to trace phone numbers for the Libyans, and one appears to be a proposed speech written by the Americans for Muammar Gaddafi about renouncing unconventional weapons.
| 241 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:40:06am |
re: #239 PhillyPretzel
re: #237 reine.de.tout
My dad has been without power for days at a time. He is looking into a natural gas fed backup generator. It is a good thing his neighbor is an engineer.
Yep, that's what my brother has at his house, and what I would like at mine. They work great - it's seamless, you don't even realize the power is out unless you notice your neighbor's house is dark.
| 242 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:42:14am |
| 243 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:43:23am |
re: #242 sattv4u2
My dad does not have to worry about that because the some neighbors already have generators.
| 244 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:45:52am |
re: #243 PhillyPretzel
My dad does not have to worry about that because the some neighbors already have generators.
That, and when the storm hits him standing on the porch with the shotgun and yelling GET OFF MY LAWN!!
//
| 245 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:48:33am |
HOOSIER
Jim Tressel is heading to the NFL. The disgraced Ohio State head coach was hired by the Colts as a game-day consultant to help determine when the team should challenge plays. Coach Jim Caldwell said it was a position he’s wanted to fill for the past couple of years
| 246 |
sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:52:55am |
Out for awhile
(yardwork,,, car washes,,, )
Stay safe, Reine
| 247 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Sep 3, 2011 7:53:20am |
A question: Does anyone have a list of "job destroying regulations" (Perry & Co.) that were not in place during Bush years, or that have been enacted since Obama took office, or that Republicans have removed since they took control of congress?
I can actually think of one from the EPA that made ridiculous requirements for home renovation to supposedly protect workers, not children, against lead paint poisoning, but I doubt that this has had any measurable effect so far in this economy anyway, and I doubt they could show a single case of adult poisoning from that job in adults during the last 40 years.
| 248 |
Gus Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:00:39am |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
...and the lefties still wonder why Obama hasn't shut down Gitmo.
Help me out here for a moment. You see, this man was released with GITMO open back in 2007. There is a policy of releasing prisoners still in place and one that was occurring both WH administrations.
Right now there are 171 prisoners still detained at GITMO. According to Wiki there are 138,000 belligerents fighting in Afghanistan. Therefore, GITMO is holding 171/138,000 X 100 or 0.12 percent.
Another thing to note is that many of the so called lefties that are calling for the closure of GITMO are not calling for the immediate release of those currently detained. Instead they're calling for the transfer of these prisoners to the mainland to increase transparency.
But the most important note here is that these detainees are and have been released with GITMO open. Then it's not just a matter of GITMO remaining open but it would seem to be an argument to keep it open and detain these prisoners permanently or a life sentence.
| 249 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:06:12am |
re: #232 sattv4u2
The good news is
Israel blockade of Gaza legal, UN review says
But they couldn't resist a jab at Israel nontheless
Force against Turkish flotilla called excessive
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Yeah, but it's still much better than usual. Turkey is screaming about it and has expelled the Israeli ambassador. The nature of the Turkish objections are summed up as follows: "OW, MY BUTT!!1 IT HURTS!!!11"
| 250 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:07:48am |
Mornin' everyone...rise and shine (ooh, is that a solar dragon?)
| 251 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:08:48am |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
Jimmy Carter's friends are not happy...
The siege can end any time Hamas wants. All they have to do is amend their charter to accept Israel and renounce the use of violence. They'll never do that, of course.
| 252 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:11:17am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
The siege can end any time Hamas wants. All they have to do is amend their charter to accept Israel and renounce the use of violence. They'll never do that, of course.
Violence, murder, and hate is all Hamas knows.
| 253 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:20:42am |
re: #248 Gus 802
In most cases trials in civilian court are very difficult if not impossible. Our courts just aren't designed to deal with people picked up on battle fields overseas. Much of the evidence against them comes from military intel, NSA, CIA, etc. These agencies are not collecting intel suitable for the courts. Their mission is to collect actionable intelligence for national security/military purposes and won't be admissible in court. Yes, Gitmo only holds a very small portion on Al Qaeda/Taliban fighters but Gitmo was generally reserved for those further up the chain of command or for characters that are particularly nasty. Unfortunately Gitmo was a failed experiment. It's really difficult to deal with these folks once we have them. Trials aren't viable in most cases and setting them free just returns them to the battlefield.
| 254 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:26:03am |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
In most cases trials in civilian court are very difficult if not impossible. Our courts just aren't designed to deal with people picked up on battle fields overseas. Much of the evidence against them comes from military intel, NSA, CIA, etc. These agencies are not collecting intel suitable for the courts. Their mission is to collect actionable intelligence for national security/military purposes and won't be admissible in court. Yes, Gitmo only holds a very small portion on Al Qaeda/Taliban fighters but Gitmo was generally reserved for those further up the chain of command or for characters that are particularly nasty. Unfortunately Gitmo was a failed experiment. It's really difficult to deal with these folks once we have them. Trials aren't viable in most cases and setting them free just returns them to the battlefield.
In that case there's nothing to do but detain them indefinitely. If they are enemy combatants, then they must be detained as long as the fighting lasts, even if it never ends.
| 255 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:26:30am |
Julian Assange faces arrest in Australia over unredacted WikiLeaks cables
Julian Assange could face prosecution in Australia after publishing sensitive information about government officials amongst the 251,000 unredacted cables released this week.
WikiLeaks published its entire cache of US diplomatic cables without redactions to protect those named within, a move condemned by all five of the whistleblowing website's original media partners.
Australia's attorney general, Robert McClelland, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the new cable release identified at least one individual within the country's intelligence service. He added it is a criminal offence in the country to publish any information which could lead to the identification of an intelligence officer.
I hope they nail this shitbag to the wall. What an asshole.
| 256 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:30:49am |
re: #255 NJDhockeyfan
Julian Assange faces arrest in Australia over unredacted WikiLeaks cables
I hope they nail this shitbag to the wall. What an asshole.
He's an Australian, so their claim on him is very strong. Hopefully he is extradited posthaste, then sent to prison Down Under. I'd even favor the US dropping its own criminal investigation into Assange if it would ease his extradition from the UK. The important thing is not who prosecutes Assange, its that he is found guilty for his misdeeds and sent to prison.
| 257 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:30:51am |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
In that case there's nothing to do but detain them indefinitely. If they are enemy combatants, then they must be detained as long as the fighting lasts, even if it never ends.
That seems to be the plan but I'm not sure how long it will last. I suspect that eventually most of the will be "released", closely tracked and dealt with in remote areas away from the press and lawyers.
| 258 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:33:15am |
re: #257 Killgore Trout
That seems to be the plan but I'm not sure how long it will last. I suspect that eventually most of the will be "released", closely tracked and dealt with in remote areas away from the press and lawyers.
Concur.
| 259 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:33:22am |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
In that case there's nothing to do but detain them indefinitely. If they are enemy combatants, then they must be detained as long as the fighting lasts, even if it never ends.
Whatever happened to the concept of rehabilitation? These people were taught that the US is the great Satan. It would have been far less expensive to teach them otherwise and let them go - with the clear understanding that recidivism leads to an early grave(without virgins) - than it has been to reinforce the negative image of the US that they have.
| 260 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:35:33am |
re: #256 Dark_Falcon
The important thing is not who prosecutes Assange, its that he is found guilty for his misdeeds and sent to prison.
Kill the messenger.
| 261 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:37:04am |
| 262 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:37:12am |
re: #259 darthstar
Whatever happened to the concept of rehabilitation? These people were taught that the US is the great Satan. It would have been far less expensive to teach them otherwise and let them go - with the clear understanding that recidivism leads to an early grave(without virgins) - than it has been to reinforce the negative image of the US that they have.
I don't think it can work in this case. These are men raised from birth to hate us, and that kind of lifetime conditioning cannot be undone except via brutal tactics intended to destroy the subject's personality and self and then rebuild them from the ground up. That would be further than I'd be prepared to go.
| 263 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:37:50am |
| 264 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:41:29am |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
I don't think it can work in this case. These are men raised from birth to hate us, and that kind of lifetime conditioning cannot be undone except via brutal tactics intended to destroy the subject's personality and self and then rebuild them from the ground up. That would be further than I'd be prepared to go.
Some could argue that you were raised from birth to hate them. See how that accusation of hate works? There's no defense...it's a label.
Some Saudis attack us on 9/11, we invade other countries, and their youth take up arms against us because they've been invaded half a dozen times in the last century and it never ends well, but you have to fight back...a handful of people are arrested and held without charge for 10 years, and they're lost causes because they were raised to hate us.
| 265 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:43:03am |
Sorry to check out of this discussion, but I've got to head out. BBL
| 266 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:44:24am |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
Fixed
Assange never hacked into corporations or the US military to steal files. People willingly violated their own employers' trust to send shit to him. He's a broker of information, not a thief. The only crime he's allegedly committed, and I agree he should be penalized for it if he's guilty, is sexual assault.
| 267 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:45:24am |
re: #266 darthstar
Assange never hacked into corporations or the US military to steal files. People willingly violated their own employers' trust to send shit to him. He's a broker of information, not a thief. The only crime he's allegedly committed, and I agree he should be penalized for it if he's guilty, is sexual assault.
Barrett Brown, is that you?
| 268 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:49:38am |
re: #267 NJDhockeyfan
Barrett Brown, is that you?
Very witty...I had to google him...spokesperson for Anonymous? Isn't that like being Baghdad Bob?
But seriously, what laws did he violate? I think the dump of all his unredacted documentation was inevitable, as you can't trust a handful of people with passwords to a golden database to keep it secret - one of their friends is going to say, "Just share it with me...noone will know." and then the flood gates are open.
| 269 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 3, 2011 8:54:57am |
Anonymous Takes Down Texas Police Site, Exposes Racist Emails
[Link: www.webpronews.com...]
Subject: Stupid Bitch
That stupid bitch who started that stolen car chase at Yale and 610 got what she deserved (I’ll bet she was fat and black too). Same with that pervert that got shot by the county. Fuck that guy, see ya. That all sounds like good police work to me. Those folks got the criminal cure. It’s guaranteed, they will never commit a crime again.
To protect and serve in Texas
| 270 |
Gus Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:01:43am |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
In most cases trials in civilian court are very difficult if not impossible. Our courts just aren't designed to deal with people picked up on battle fields overseas. Much of the evidence against them comes from military intel, NSA, CIA, etc. These agencies are not collecting intel suitable for the courts. Their mission is to collect actionable intelligence for national security/military purposes and won't be admissible in court. Yes, Gitmo only holds a very small portion on Al Qaeda/Taliban fighters but Gitmo was generally reserved for those further up the chain of command or for characters that are particularly nasty. Unfortunately Gitmo was a failed experiment. It's really difficult to deal with these folks once we have them. Trials aren't viable in most cases and setting them free just returns them to the battlefield.
That of course is an argument regarding the process. However, the point remains in that this man was released with GITMO open. So it's not a question then of what the "lefties" want to do but the process that led to his release no?
Additionally closing GITMO doesn't have to mean transferring them to civilian custody. They could very well be transferred to the mainland and remain in military custody to eventually face a military tribunal if so desired. Right now, with GITMO located on leased land in Communist Cuba seems rather mischievous to say the least.
During WWII German prisoners were not held on foreign soil. Many were kept in the UK but a large bulk of them were held in the USA. Some of them were in fact war criminals. When hostilities ended they were released and repatriated. What we have now is a different circumstance since these prisoners do not fight under a national flag and are not uniformed enemies.
It's ironic that if Al-Qaeda and others were representing a nation and fighting in uniform they would probably face the same treatment as the German POWs during WWII. Essentially they are being treated as special criminals. Beyond that those detained are still considered innocent until proven guilty even if they face a military tribunal/
| 272 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:06:49am |
re: #270 Gus 802
I don't know if the military tribunals are any more viable than civilians courts. Even an "easy" case like with KSM Obama is having a hell of a time trying to figure out what to do with him. It seems the most viable short term option is to use indefinite detention powers outlined in the Patriot Act but I'm not sure how long that will last. They never should have been interred into a transparent system in the first place, that was the biggest mistake and it can't be undone.
| 273 |
wrenchwench Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:11:53am |
| 274 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:14:52am |
But will you still like me in the Morning?
Hey all!
| 275 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:15:44am |
re: #272 Killgore Trout
Howabout, "Whoopshedied."
| 276 |
bratwurst Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:17:08am |
Word has it that Sarah Palin will be implicitly ripping Rick Perry in her speech coming up later today.
You know...Martin Amis once said you can judge a man by his enemies!
| 277 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:18:59am |
Sarah Palin's Tea Party Derpfest (live video)
| 278 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:22:20am |
| 279 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:23:11am |
Vatican Rejects Criticism Over Sex Abuse By Ireland
I'm having a hard time with this. Seems like they are refusing to take responsibility over semantics. A nit-picky thing to do.
| 280 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:23:27am |
| 281 |
Gus Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:24:55am |
OK. Off to the coast and other things. Remain calm! // Back later.
| 282 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:25:51am |
Ranting against the National Black Caucus.
| 283 |
allegro Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:25:58am |
re: #276 bratwurst
Word has it that Sarah Palin will be implicitly ripping Rick Perry in her speech coming up later today.
You know...Martin Amis once said you can judge a man by his enemies!
So she won the diva contest over the poor li'l I-am-not-a-witch?
| 284 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:26:12am |
Oooh, the Black Congressional Caucus. Booga booga. Playing to the crowd.
| 285 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:26:17am |
re: #282 Killgore Trout
Ranting against the National Black Caucus.
Why? are you subjecting yourself to this torture?
| 286 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:26:40am |
Crowd looks to be about 200 old folks in lawn chairs.
| 287 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:26:40am |
re: #285 ggt
Why? are you subjecting yourself to this torture?
You could be playing with your frogs.
| 288 |
allegro Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:26:59am |
re: #285 ggt
Why? are you subjecting yourself to this torture?
So we don't have to, of course. Thanks KT!
| 289 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:27:11am |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
Crowd looks to be about 200 old folks in lawn chairs.
Whatta joke. Bet she doesn't show.
| 290 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:27:49am |
re: #288 allegro
So we don't have to, of course. Thanks KT!
I appreciate the sentiment, but NO ONE HAS TO. In fact, if no one did, she might just go away--far, far away.
| 291 |
allegro Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:28:21am |
re: #290 ggt
I appreciate the sentiment, but NO ONE HAS TO. In fact, if no one did, she might just go away--far, far away.
Valid point.
| 292 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:34:27am |
Assange should be sentenced to a swirlie a day for 5 years.
| 293 |
wrenchwench Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:37:19am |
re: #268 darthstar
Very witty...I had to google him...spokesperson for Anonymous? Isn't that like being Baghdad Bob?
But seriously, what laws did he violate? I think the dump of all his unredacted documentation was inevitable, as you can't trust a handful of people with passwords to a golden database to keep it secret - one of their friends is going to say, "Just share it with me...noone will know." and then the flood gates are open.
I forgot to mention, Brown joined the stalkers after he got kicked out of here.
And just to add my opinion of Assange: He may not be a thief, but he hung out a huge shingle saying he'd be willing to fence stolen goods. That's not cool.
| 294 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:41:23am |
re: #293 wrenchwench
I forgot to mention, Brown joined the stalkers after he got kicked out of here.
And just to add my opinion of Assange: He may not be a thief, but he hung out a huge shingle saying he'd be willing to fence stolen goods. That's not cool.
knowingly publishing classified government documents --may not technically be a crime in all countries --but it is a violation of trust between peoples.
NO ONE can trust Assange. And he chose this.
| 295 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:49:14am |
Oh the Palin rally is pitiful. RW radio talk show hosts blathering to old folks who are using their American flags as umbrellas.
| 296 |
jaunte Sat, Sep 3, 2011 9:50:56am |
re: #295 Stanley Sea
Cigar chomper: "It is the Tea Party that pushed forward the agenda that politics as usual is over!"
Golf claps from crowd.
| 297 |
darthstar Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:27:55am |
re: #293 wrenchwench
I forgot to mention, Brown joined the stalkers after he got kicked out of here.
And just to add my opinion of Assange: He may not be a thief, but he hung out a huge shingle saying he'd be willing to fence stolen goods. That's not cool.
I agree...it's not cool. And insofar as it's illegal he should face charges.
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
