August Jobs and Unemployment, Digging Deeper Than The Pundits

Life in the United States is not about who is President
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The August jobs report is out and getting lots of headlines, but as is too often the case the headlines don’t really tell the story.

Right off the bat, let me criticize the “no jobs” claims so common in headlines - it’s just wrong. There are always new jobs being created. The accurate claim is that there were almost no new net jobs when private and public employment figures are added together.

Even with the loss of 45,000 Verizon jobs, the net employment in the private sector grew by 17,000 thousand jobs, a small number to be sure. Yet those 45,000 are now back to work.

Employment grew in mining, health care, and professional services.

Manufacturing employment was little changed with a slight loss.

The big loss in jobs? Why, it was government jobs. So, why isn’t the American atavistic right wing, aka the contemporary GOP, bragging about these jobs reports as a kind of victory, if indeed government is the enemy that they claim?

Put simply - government employment is employment and thus the loss of these jobs adds to the unemployed figure. Quoting the BLS report:

Since employment peaked in September 2008, local government has lost 550,000 jobs.

The BLS also revised (as is often the case) down the net jobs gains for July and June.

Anyway, beyond all of that, this jobs report reinforces some long term trends that get ignored by all except the economics wonks but yet the numbers reveal what is truly happening in the US.

For this let me turn to the CalculateRisk blog, which does some of the nicer graphs on these matters. In their take on todays BLS report:

[…]

The Labor Force Participation Rate increased to 64.0% in August (blue line). This is the percentage of the working age population in the labor force. The participation rate is well below the 66% to 67% rate that was normal over the last 20 years, although some of the decline is due to the aging population.

The Employment-Population ratio increased to 58.2% in August (black line).

[…]

CalculatedRisk provides an informative graph overlaying Labor Force Participation Rate with recessions and unemployment. As you can see, the Participation Rate has been falling since 2000.

So, this raises two questions:

1) Is the current high unemployment rate and slow net increase in job count (e.g., the current BLS report) phenomena that are being controlled more by the long term changes than the short term business cycle (i.e. recession)?

2) Is decreasing Participation Rate a bad thing?

Now, I don’t expect these questions to make it into the next GOP Presidential candidate “debate”, but they ought to be there.

It has become far too easy - indeed, it’s a religious mantra - to whine about jobs reports and jump up and down and say that President XYZ has to do something.

My claim - no, Mr. President doesn’t have to do something.

Governments by nature do many things. Yet in a representative democracy like ours the government reflects the larger social makeup (more or less, sometimes less) of the country.

We have gone through many changes since WWII. The most significant IMO is the change in the household makeup. IT USED TO BE NORMAL for a woman to stay home, i.e., not to have a full time job outside of homemaking (though part time sources of additional income were always possible.)

Then that changed.

And the Labor Force Participation Rate increased significantly. It peaked in the year 2000.

These are subjects for a greater discussion, about how American society has changed and is changing. Indeed, human angst over change drives many of our discussions, and I propose that the entire Tea Party revanchist orgy of the past few years is just that - angst over changes in society that are beyond, far beyond, what any political office, even President of the United States, can or should control.

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1 blueraven  Fri, Sep 2, 2011 4:59:09pm

Excellent Page. The jobs report is always more complicated than it seems on the surface.

The GOP got what they wanted....smaller government. They need to own it!

The austerity measures around the globe are not working. We need more stimulus.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:05:29am

Excellent post - promoted to the front page.

3 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:08:03am

I never take at face value anything that has to do with statistics.

If it is too complicated for me to understand in 10 words or less, how can a journalist do it?

Seriously, they aren't any smarter than the rest of us.

4 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:09:20am

Yeah, who didn't see that coming. Government jobs disappear, and instead of celebrating, the GOP clutches their pearls and screams over "lost jobs." *rolls eyes*

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:10:09am

re: #4 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, who didn't see that coming. Government jobs disappear, and instead of celebrating, the GOP clutches their pearls and screams over "lost jobs." *rolls eyes*

b,b,b,b BUTt, I thought smaller government was a good thing?

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:10:49am

Actually, I was thinking it was too bad some of those lost jobs weren't from Congress.

;0

7 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:12:46am

re: #5 ggt

b,b,b,b BUTt, I thought smaller government was a good thing?

Remember, these are the same folks who, while chanting for "small government," are also holding up picket signs or sporting bumper stickers on their Hoverounds that declare "Hands Off My Medicare!"

8 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:13:57am

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Remember, these are the same folks who, while chanting for "small government," are also holding up picket signs or sporting bumper stickers on their Hoverounds that declare "Hands Off My Medicare!"

People are selfish -- and as usual, they have it wrong.

It's all about ME!

:)

9 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:14:35am

Tea Party speaker telling the crowd the communist party has taken over America.

10 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:15:20am

Let me see if I understand. Smaller govt. is good unless a Democrat is in the White House and then it's bad. I think I got it.

11 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:15:24am

Obama could use this in the Campagn to appeal to the Small-Government people. "See, I really did shrink the government."

12 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:16:32am
We have gone through many changes since WWII. The most significant IMO is the change in the household makeup. IT USED TO BE NORMAL for a woman to stay home, i.e., not to have a full time job outside of homemaking (though part time sources of additional income were always possible.)

Then that changed.

And the Labor Force Participation Rate increased significantly. It peaked in the year 2000.

These are subjects for a greater discussion, about how American society has changed and is changing. Indeed, human angst over change drives many of our discussions, and I propose that the entire Tea Party revanchist orgy of the past few years is just that - angst over changes in society that are beyond, far beyond, what any political office, even President of the United States, can or should control.

A book that addressed these issues early on was E.F. Schumacher's Small is Beautiful. It was published in 1973, I read it in 1976. I didn't finish it. Right after I read this sentence:

Women, on the whole, do not need an "outside" job, and the large scale employment of women in offices and factories would be considered a sign of serious economic failure.

...I gave the book a gentle toss across the room. In hindsight, I should have finished reading it and considered that sentence in the context of both the rest of the book, and the times in which its author developed his ideas.

There is indeed much to discuss about the changes we have been through, and are going through now.

13 albusteve  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:17:32am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Tea Party speaker telling the crowd the communist party has taken over America.

another retread they dust off....how long can you try and scare people with that old song?....stupidity has taken over America

14 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:17:57am

re: #13 albusteve

another retread they dust off...how long can you try and scare people with that old song?...stupidity has taken over America

What was your first clue?

American Idol?

15 albusteve  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:20:19am

re: #14 ggt

What was your first clue?

American Idol?

scientific evidence....I'm not very bright but even I get it....it's like a disease

16 blueraven  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:24:01am

I think the debt ceiling "debate" and subsequent credit rating downgrade also had a huge impact on hiring, or lack thereof, over the past couple of months.

17 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:27:29am

re: #16 blueraven

I think the debt ceiling "debate" and subsequent credit rating downgrade also had a huge impact on hiring, or lack thereof, over the past couple of months.

I not only agree, but further posit that it's going to continue to have an impact in the months to come. The GOP has, with their juvenile tactics in Congress, damaged consumer confidence a great deal. Even in the height of the recession, there was some confidence that the government would work to fix things. Now? People are becoming convinced that the government is more broken than ever and will simply contribute to the problems rather than solve them.

18 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:27:36am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Tea Party speaker telling the crowd the communist party has taken over America.

Good riddance.

19 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:29:27am

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I not only agree, but further posit that it's going to continue to have an impact in the months to come. The GOP has, with their juvenile tactics in Congress, damaged consumer confidence a great deal. Even in the height of the recession, there was some confidence that the government would work to fix things. Now? People are becoming convinced that the government is more broken than ever and will simply contribute to the problems rather than solve them.

Isn't this another major spoke in the GOP philosophical wheel that they should be tickled pink over?

20 makeitstopghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:29:29am

Good post, Freetoken. All good points.

Having said that, the news radio stations in NYC loved repeating that 'no new jobs in August' line last night. It's as if they really enjoy delivering bad news.

21 mikec6666  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:31:14am

The jobs report was disappointing to say the least. As an Obama supporter I worry how this is perceived in the electorate. People do unuexpected things when they think their families are threatened. That includes voting against their longer term interests fir short term promises (e.g. Perry, et al ).

22 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:31:47am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Now they have an incredibly unfunny comedian in disguise.

23 makeitstopghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:32:32am

Oh, and I also heard about this last night -

Mayors Unveil Common-Sense Jobs Plan Before Labor Day

It sounds like the mayors and Obama are on the same page. The pessimist in me says that Boehner and Cantor will smother this idea in its crib.

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:34:26am

re: #22 jaunte

Now they have an incredibly unfunny comedian in disguise.

Ugh, he's still on. I watched a little bit of him but turned it off. Looks like he's almost done.

25 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:35:41am

"Proud to stand with the next president of the United States, Sarah Palin!"

Lulz.

26 albusteve  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:35:49am

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I not only agree, but further posit that it's going to continue to have an impact in the months to come. The GOP has, with their juvenile tactics in Congress, damaged consumer confidence a great deal. Even in the height of the recession, there was some confidence that the government would work to fix things. Now? People are becoming convinced that the government is more broken than ever and will simply contribute to the problems rather than solve them.

blah blah blah...it's all the GOP's fault, man that is so worn out...
time to hitch it up, put that shit behind us and forge ahead....this problem needs to go nationwide....collect up the top economists, the leaders of congress and others in govt, Wall St, the POTUS, academia and whoever else can contribute..stick em all in an auditorium and hash out what the fuck is going on and broadcast it to the people....several hours of it...somehow we have to find apolitical middle ground to get this mess headed back in the right direction....endlessly blaming others is a dead end...if congress is the problem it will become evident...the president can speak his mind and people can decide if he's git any juice or not....get it all on the table for everybody to see...at least TRY

27 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:35:49am

re: #23 makeitstop

Oh, and I also heard about this last night -

Mayors Unveil Common-Sense Jobs Plan Before Labor Day

It sounds like the mayors and Obama are on the same page. The pessimist in me says that Boehner and Cantor will smother this idea in its crib.

That's a given. It calls for spending, at a time when the GOP's mantra is "We have no more money to spend!" If they signed off on such a plan, they'd be going against that mantra.

28 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:36:04am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Ugh, he's still on. I watched a little bit of him but turned it off. Looks like he's almost done.

Philosophies based on hate just aren't funny.

29 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:38:22am

re: #23 makeitstop

Oh, and I also heard about this last night -

Mayors Unveil Common-Sense Jobs Plan Before Labor Day

It sounds like the mayors and Obama are on the same page. The pessimist in me says that Boehner and Cantor will smother this idea in its crib.

That isn't pessimism, it's just stating an assured reality.

30 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:38:34am

Now promoting the Birch Society's 5,000 Year Leap.

31 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:38:48am

Speaker now pushing Klousen's 5,000 Year Leap book.

32 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:39:24am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Ugh, he's still on. I watched a little bit of him but turned it off. Looks like he's almost done.

Now some douche is on stage begging for donations to pay for this wingnut wankfest and extolling the teabaggers to "read a book" (and it's not even the Bible!)

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:40:11am

Oh, no. More singing.

34 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:40:47am

Mute

35 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:41:27am

I just turned on C-SPAN, and ... the horror.

36 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:41:36am

PalinCellulite G. Beard
#TeaParty of America organizers estimating 1500 people at #Palin event | #GlennBeck and #Malkin will report half a million. @sarahpalinusa

37 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:42:00am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

PalinCellulite G. Beard
#TeaParty of America organizers estimating 1500 people at #Palin event | #GlennBeck and #Malkin will report half a million. @sarahpalinusa

Math, you can't explain that :).

38 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:42:00am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Oh, no. More singing.

So what if libruls have no-talent hacks like Bob Dylan and the Beatles. We've got Real 'Merkin singers!

39 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:42:13am

Tea Party rock. Kill me now.

40 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:42:35am

Can you hear us na..ha...haow?

41 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:43:26am

re: #40 jaunte

Can you hear us na..ha...haow?

Sadly, yes.

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:43:35am

re: #39 Charles

Tea Party rock. Kill me now.

The crowd is whipped into such a frenzy they might even stand up from their lawnchairs.

43 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:43:40am

re: #38 Atlas Fails

So what if libruls have no-talent hacks like Bob Dylan and the Beatles. We've got Real 'Merkin singers!

44 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:43:53am

I actually find their attempts to make music humorous. The Battle Hymn of Sarah Palin anyone?

45 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:43:59am

re: #41 Atlas Fails

Needs more eagle.

46 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:44:06am

I can hear you, all right. Singing flat.

47 SteelGHAZI  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:47:26am

I can sing better than that... and I'm tone deaf.

48 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:47:28am

re: #45 jaunte

Needs more eagle.

You asked for it!

49 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:47:47am

Boy, I wish I had countless hours to waste supporting a cult of personality...er, I mean, Sarah Palin.

50 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:47:58am

Tea Party!
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

51 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:49:32am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

The crowd looks absolutely electrified...all one of them.

/

52 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:49:41am

Oh shit, another guest speaker. The Joe Plumber of Iowa, no less! I've got places to see and people to go, hurry up Sarah!

53 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:49:44am

What's that guy's name? That guy in the White House?

hurr

54 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:50:58am

Joe the Plumber of Iowa... I guess everyone needs an ambition. I rather doubt that's one that would have a lot of value on a resume, however.

55 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:52:04am

re: #54 allegro

Joe the Plumber of Iowa... I guess everyone needs an ambition. I rather doubt that's one that would have a lot of value on a resume, however.

"It says here you're the 'Joe the Plumber of Iowa.' So, I'm guessing you have some plumbing experience?"
"Well no, but I've got a lot of old white folks who cheer when they see me, so I guess that should count for something."

/

56 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:52:08am

Another Joe the Plumber? Was the real one too busy pulling bullshit from his asshole?

57 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:53:52am

"We're victims!"

58 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:54:06am

re: #13 albusteve

another retread they dust off...how long can you try and scare people with that old song?...stupidity has taken over America

Afternoon, all!

Steve- I think Teh Stupid has always been there. 100 is the *average* IQ in the US. What has changed, seems to me, is the number and range of resources for disseminating stupidity and the increasing number of stupid people listening. Charles' post is atypical of this. It is directed toward thinking people who understand and appreciate complexity and nuance.

The 100% American is 99% idiot.
- - - George Bernard Shaw

59 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:54:23am

Oh jeez, projection much?? Liberals won't work with them in good faith?

60 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:55:16am

"Not a loser!"
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

61 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:55:31am

re: #59 allegro

Oh jeez, projection much?? Liberals won't work with them in good faith?

Yeah calling an entire ideology Communist has that effect on people. No sympathy for the Tea Partiers and their whiny crap.

62 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:56:38am

LOL "I've failed a lot" he sez. Now this I believe.

63 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:57:08am

re: #62 allegro

He lives to derp another day.

64 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:57:50am

I am not going upstairs.

I love you guys, but I'm not subjecting myself to that.

Have a great afternoon all!

65 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:57:56am

I'll tell you what, I've failed a lot.

And you still managed to become the living, breathing success story that you are now!?! The Joe the Plumber of Iowa?!? Incredible!

66 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:58:28am

You mean when that person in the trailer "looked" to a lottery ticket, "Joe"?

67 jaunte  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:58:43am

Good grief. Our big government healthcare system will not let children overcome cancer by themselves.

68 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 10:58:54am

Yeah, teabaggers are like kids trying to overcome cancer.

My mom has cancer, and fuck you, you exploitive sack of shit.

69 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 11:00:12am

Did they seriously compare themselves to kids with cancer trying to overcome that disease? Not watching since I am talking to you all here while I complete my lab report/iisten to music. And they say liberals have a victim mentality.

70 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 11:00:34am

re: #67 jaunte

Good grief. Our big government healthcare system will not let children overcome cancer by themselves.

But it will let a guy die from an infected wisdom tooth.

71 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 11:01:00am

Steve Who?

72 allegro  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 11:01:36am

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Steve Who?

Steve the victim. Joining Sarah the victim.

73 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 3, 2011 11:02:46am

Goodness me, the big city music stations would not play this man's song no matter how requested it was! Just for singing about God and country! An apparently that's all that should be played on the radio, or something!!!11one

74 studentpatriot  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 6:36:13am

Great post.

If anyone has Megan McArdle's email address over at the Atlantic, I would be very interested to get her take on this subject. If she picked it up it could catapult your analysis from relative obscurity and get it talked about by economists in the media.

75 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Sep 4, 2011 8:38:12am
Is decreasing Participation Rate a bad thing?

It is economically when wages are stagnant or declining or even not increasing proportionally to the decreasing labor force participation rate. Under any circumstances it is socially, because the result is relatively less people with labor based income having to provide for more and more people without labor based income (either for sustenance or for profits).


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