Comparing James Hoffa’s Rhetoric with the Tea Party’s Open Threats

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As the petulant high-pitched whining of the right wing blogosphere reaches fever pitch, Teamsters president James Hoffa is not retreating: Teamsters President: ‘No Regrets’ After Fiery Speech Draws Right-Wing Criticism.

Hoffa riled up Fox News and the right wing Monday with a Labor Day speech in Detroit in which he called Republican members of Congress “sons of bitches” and said union workers are ready to “go to war” with the tea party next year and “take out” Republicans at the ballot box.

Hoffa said he’d say the exact same words all over again.

“I would because I believe it,” he said. “They’ve declared war on us. We didn’t declare war on them, they declared war on us. We’re fighting back. The question is, who started the war?”

Here’s a reminder to all the right wingers who blindly followed the lies of Fox News and started screaming your fool heads off: Hoffa’s remarks absolutely pale in comparison to the deranged racism and threatening rhetoric at Tea Party demonstrations and websites.

Just a few examples out of many:

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107 comments
1 Flounder  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:35:54am

Well I think the head of the Tea Party should just step down then.

2 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:36:47am

re: #1 Shropshire_Slasher

Well I think the head of the Tea Party should just step down then.

There isn't one it is a "Grass roots movement" after all... or so we kept getting told.

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:38:09am

In fairness, those are individual signs in the crowd, whereas Hoffa was on the podium.

That having been said, I repeat my statement of yesterday that James P. Hoffa was not calling for violence.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:39:58am

In reference to sign number 2, Marx and czars hahaha. And yes I know they're idiots but goddamn that amuses me. Oh and these people are jackasses and why the term gun nut was coined. It's fine to have a gun, not something I want but it's your right but acting like you're going to shoot politicians because you don't like their democratic implemented policies is the sign of a whack job.

5 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:41:53am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

In fairness, those are individual signs in the crowd, whereas Hoffa was on the podium.

That having been said, I repeat my statement of yesterday that James P. Hoffa was not calling for violence.

If the people present find the signs objectionable then they should force those people to remove them or otherwise at the very least shun them and move as far away from them as possible.

6 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:41:59am

Yeah but Hoffa's comments were so very shrill. //

And let's not get into the range of bile spewn at Democrats and liberals at Rick Perry's "pray for rain" dominionist rally.

And Rick Perry's threat of the Republican Fed Reserve Chairman.

7 theheat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:43:12am

Looks like I need to add a "Hoffa" filter on my inbox today so the shrieking crazyfonts FW FWDs can go straight to the crapper.

8 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:44:18am

Related (tweeted earlier by Gus 802):
U.S. Has Weakest Labor Protections In The OECD

University of Missouri-St. Louis Associate Professor Kenneth Thomas crunched numbers from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and found that “U.S. workers are more vulnerable than workers in any Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (rich industrialized democracies) members or even the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, and China, with Estonia, Indonesia, and South Africa included as comparisons for good measure) to being fired unfairly, to not getting severance pay, to getting the least notice on mass layoffs or being fired, to being stuck on a mouse wheel of temporary positions.” “Not only is the United States in last place, it isn’t even close,” Thomas noted.

We should be doing better.

10 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:45:01am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

In fairness, those are individual signs in the crowd, whereas Hoffa was on the podium.

That having been said, I repeat my statement of yesterday that James P. Hoffa was not calling for violence.

'K, so how about this one?

"We have Saddam Hussein," declared billionaire industrialist Charles Koch, apparently referring to President Barack Obama as he welcomed hundreds of wealthy guests to the latest of the secret fundraising and strategy seminars he and his brother host twice a year. The 2012 elections, he warned, will be "the mother of all wars." [...]
During his welcoming remarks, Charles Koch warned his guests that the 2012 elections are nothing short of a battle "for the life or death of this country."

11 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:45:31am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

In fairness, those are individual signs in the crowd, whereas Hoffa was on the podium.

Lol fairness e_e

Carl Paladino threatened a jounralist with a baseball bat. Both Bachmann and that genius Sharron Angle yapped endlessly with gun threats to their throngs of unhooded vigilantes.

No one on the rightwing said anything against it, so they can now cry me a river about stupid Hoffa.

12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:46:23am

re: #9 Gus 802

Exploding Tea Party Protester Threatens Interviewer

[Video]

rotfl, that guy is one of my all time favorites.

Dumb confederate.

13 Four More Tears  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:46:25am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

In fairness, those are individual signs in the crowd, whereas Hoffa was on the podium.

That having been said, I repeat my statement of yesterday that James P. Hoffa was not calling for violence.

Yes, you're right. Charles clearly should have put up clips like Sharron Angle calling for second amendment remedies. Obviously...

14 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:46:57am

And Tim McVeigh was a lefty.

15 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:47:11am

What Fox did is absolutely unprecedented, right out of the Breitbart playbook. In a just world there would be consequences, but there are no longer any means of applying sanctions to the media.

That said, Hoffa should make the rounds of the cable nets this week and get in their faces about this. He should bring his own unedited version of the speech with him to prove his point.

16 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:47:42am

re: #12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

rotfl, that guy is one of my all time favorites.

Dumb confederate.

He sure has a couple of loose screws. The guy at the end was nice.

17 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:48:17am

re: #10 allegro

'K, so how about this one?

That is valid for comparison and Charles Koch is an ass.

18 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:48:21am

re: #15 makeitstop

What Fox did is absolutely unprecedented, right out of the Breitbart playbook. In a just world there would be consequences, but there are no longer any means of applying sanctions to the media.

That said, Hoffa should make the rounds of the cable nets this week and get in their faces about this. He should bring his own unedited version of the speech with him to prove his point.

Breitbarted

19 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:48:24am

re: #14 Iwouldprefernotto

And Tim McVeigh was a lefty.

You seem to have forgotten your sarc tag, would you like to borrow a few of mine?

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They're of the finest quality, each one hand typed not copy and pasted!

20 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:48:26am

re: #5 jamesfirecat

If the people present find the signs objectionable then they should force those people to remove them or otherwise at the very least shun them and move as far away from them as possible.

For people so proficient at social shunning and personal estrangement, they sure do a lousy job of keeping out those kind of unwanteds. /

21 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:50:21am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

That is valid for comparison and Charles Koch is an ass.

Charles Koch rules your party. Why don't you guys do anything about it?

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:50:55am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

You know very well that top GOP politicians and Tea Party leaders have often used violent rhetoric.

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:51:48am

Notice that the first comment is a lame attempt to spin. The word is out.

24 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:52:52am

re: #21 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Charles Koch rules your party. Why don't you guys do anything about it?

Rules the GOP? Not hardly. He proves a lot of money, and has worked his way into parts of the organization, but he does not rule it.

25 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:53:03am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

It's fine to have a gun, not something I want but it's your right but acting like you're going to shoot politicians because you don't like their democratic implemented policies is the sign of a whack job.

Or, the sign of someone so self-loathing, their entire identity is wrapped up in killing machines.

26 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:53:23am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Rules the GOP? Not hardly. He proves a lot of money, and has worked his way into parts of the organization, but he does not rule it.

Yeah, Rush Limbaugh rules it!

(Only quarter to half sarc)

27 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:54:38am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Rules the GOP? Not hardly. He proves a lot of money, and has worked his way into parts of the organization, but he does not rule it.

The tea party is ruddering your organization, today. It doesn't have to but you guys allow it.

28 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:56:02am

re: #25 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or, the sign of someone so self-loathing, their entire identity is wrapped up in killing machines.

Self-loathing goes with fantasies of being a master race over some underclass or other:

6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration.

That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old "proletarians" are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.

7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country.

This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the United States, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson's The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.

Umberto Eco, Eternal Fascism

29 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:57:12am

re: #1 Shropshire_Slasher

Well I think the head of the Tea Party should just step down then.

Not a chance. Mr. Limbaugh's ratings are too high.

30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 9:58:23am

re: #26 jamesfirecat

Yeah, Rush Limbaugh rules it!

(Only quarter to half sarc)

Well this is true.

31 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:02:08am

Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible. - Sinclair Lewis

32 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:02:13am

re: #9 Gus 802

Exploding Tea Party Protester Threatens Interviewer

[Video]

Abolish the VA? Send disabled vets to charity hospitals? Baggers bitch about the "entitlement mentality," but if you have lost a leg or an eye in combat, you DAMNED WELL are entitled. I also wonder if the psycho is really a vet.

33 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:02:47am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

Abolish the VA? Send disabled vets to charity hospitals? Baggers bitch about the "entitlement mentality," but if you have lost a leg or an eye in combat, you DAMNED WELL are entitled. I also wonder if the psycho is really a vet.

I was wondering that myself.

34 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:03:01am

re: #28 iceweasel

Self-loathing goes with fantasies of being a master race over some underclass or other:

Umberto Eco, Eternal Fascism

Dhimmitude mentality...if any of the dhimmis look at me crosseyed, it and disrespects and oppresses poor little me, since I am supposed to be ruling them.

Don't they know I can kill them with my guns!!!

35 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:03:40am

re: #31 Gus 802

Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible. - Sinclair Lewis

Fascist Jeebus

36 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:04:49am

From the same Eco essay:

12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters.

This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

37 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:04:53am

So ... Fox News deliberately edits a video to falsely accuse someone of calling for violence ... and then what? Everybody just moves on?

It's kind of amazing that this is getting so little play in the media. This is one of the most blatant, egregious, deliberate violations of journalistic ethics I've ever seen.

I mean, I know people have learned not to expect honest journalism from Fox, but this one really crosses a red line. And nobody gives a shit?

38 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:05:18am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

Abolish the VA? Send disabled vets to charity hospitals? Baggers bitch about the "entitlement mentality," but if you have lost a leg or an eye in combat, you DAMNED WELL are entitled. I also wonder if the psycho is really a vet.

Well, as they perceive it in others.

They, otoh, are entitled to the biggest and best of everything, since they're the only taxpayers on planet earth. And hey, they can just kill us all with their guns to get what they want anyway so how dare anyone object.

Effing sociopaths.

39 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:05:21am

I listened to Rush whine like a little bitch about being called a son of a bitch. After all the shit they've said over the years, you would think the wingnuts might have had a slightly thicker skin, but apparently not.

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:06:41am

re: #37 Charles

So ... Fox News deliberately edits a video to falsely accuse someone of calling for violence ... and then what? Everybody just moves on?

It's kind of amazing that this is getting so little play in the media. This is one of the most blatant, egregious, deliberate violations of journalistic ethics I've ever seen.

I mean, I know people have learned not to expect honest journalism from Fox, but this one really crosses a red line. And nobody gives a shit?

They've done this so much that nobody even notices anymore. There's no accountability so there are no consequences. Welcome to the new reality.

41 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:07:58am

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I listened to Rush whine like a little bitch about being called a son of a bitch. After all the shit they've said over the years, you would think the wingnuts might have had a slightly thicker skin, but apparently not.

Emopublicans ™

Note: Trademark belongs to OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin.

42 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:08:04am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

They've done this so much that nobody even notices anymore. There's no accountability so there are no consequences. Welcome to the new reality.

There are no consequences because there is no accountability.

43 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:08:20am

re: #12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

rotfl, that guy is one of my all time favorites.

Dumb confederate.

Actually, I'm seeing a man with severe psychological problems. Unless he gets help it's only a matter of time before he goes completely postal, if he hasn't already.

44 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:08:33am

re: #37 Charles

So ... Fox News deliberately edits a video to falsely accuse someone of calling for violence ... and then what? Everybody just moves on?

It's kind of amazing that this is getting so little play in the media. This is one of the most blatant, egregious, deliberate violations of journalistic ethics I've ever seen.

I mean, I know people have learned not to expect honest journalism from Fox, but this one really crosses a red line. And nobody gives a shit?

The problem is there is no recourse any more. The FCC will do nothing, and all the other news outlets are afraid of Fox.

No one will call them out. Sadly, this is what 30 years of working the refs and whining about a non-existent 'liberal media' has done. I thought long and hard about what could be done after this happened yesterday, and I don't see anything.

It's damned depressing is what it is.

45 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:08:46am

re: #37 Charles

Media Matters is all over it, but hardly anyone else is pointing out what Fox did:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

Meanwhile, the execrable Toby Harnden at the Torygraph is all over it too, of course: Will Barack Obama condemn Joe Biden and Jimmy Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'son of a bitches'?

46 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:09:57am

re: #37 Charles

So ... Fox News deliberately edits a video to falsely accuse someone of calling for violence ... and then what? Everybody just moves on?

It's kind of amazing that this is getting so little play in the media. This is one of the most blatant, egregious, deliberate violations of journalistic ethics I've ever seen.

I mean, I know people have learned not to expect honest journalism from Fox, but this one really crosses a red line. And nobody gives a shit?

Fox news has successfully screwed the Overton Window of news ethics to the point that we aren't surprised anymore it started with bending the truth to overstate their case (images of one rally intercut with ones of a much bigger rally held on a previous date months ago) and now they seemed to have moved into doing it for malicious purposes.

The problem is that there's nobody who can call Fox out on this with any sense of authority/power over them...

47 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:10:55am

yeah but all those teabag pictures are complaints about government spending and the economy. //

48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:11:03am

re: #43 Romantic Heretic

Actually, I'm seeing a man with severe psychological problems. Unless he gets help it's only a matter of time before he goes completely postal, if he hasn't already.

So am I. That he, Angle, Paladino, and other unmedicated, strapped-up circus clowns are attracted to the tea party tells me something about both.

49 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:11:13am

re: #45 iceweasel

Media Matters is all over it, but hardly anyone else is pointing out what Fox did:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

Meanwhile, the execrable Toby Harnden at the Torygraph is all over it too, of course: Will Barack Obama condemn Joe Biden and Jimmy Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'son of a bitches'?

Or...

@Wolfrum William K. Wolfrum
Remember when Cheney told Leahy "Fuck yourself" and the D.C. media rushed to see if Bush would renounce those remarks?

50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:12:38am

re: #45 iceweasel

Will Barack Obama condemn Joe Biden and Jimmy Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'son of a bitches'?

I hope Barack Obama makes them wonder, forever.

None of their leaders ever condemn jack shit. Never. Dhimmitude mentality....how DARE you offend my sensitilities! Don't you know I can kill you with all my guns!

51 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:13:11am

re: #46 jamesfirecat

The problem is that there's nobody who can call Fox out on this with any sense of authority/power over them...

Actually there is. There is the MEDIA. Many other major media outlets could call their Foxie asses out. Doing so would enhance their creds as journalists (what are those?) and maybe bring some trust back into what used to be a respectable field.

Oops, sorry... started dreaming there.

52 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:13:34am

re: #45 iceweasel

Media Matters is all over it, but hardly anyone else is pointing out what Fox did:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

Meanwhile, the execrable Toby Harnden at the Torygraph is all over it too, of course: Will Barack Obama condemn Joe Biden and Jimmy Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'son of a bitches'?

Obama should release a printed statement reading, "Condemn their remarks? What are you, a bunch of pussies?"

53 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:13:47am

re: #50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I hope Barack Obama makes them wonder, forever.

None of their leaders ever condemn jack shit. Never. Dhimmitude mentality...how DARE you offend my sensitilities! Don't you know I can kill you with all my guns!

This.

Big time.

Screw them.

54 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:13:58am

re: #50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I hope Barack Obama makes them wonder, forever.

None of their leaders ever condemn jack shit. Never. Dhimmitude mentality...how DARE you offend my sensitilities! Don't you know I can kill you with all my guns!

They save their condemnations for fellow citizens, like the poor wanting to vote, gay people, anyone brown, women.

55 mr.fusion  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:14:21am

I'm not really a big fan of "they do it to" as a way to justify one's own actions......

But this isn't even close to the same thing. Having a Republican Senate candidate call for "second amendment remedies" if they don't get their way in November is a helluva lot different than a union boss saying that the Tea Party has declared war on unions and that we need to vote them out. Completely different.

Second, I've been in the car all morning and this is ALL that Beck & Limbaugh have been talking about...clutching their pears for 5 straight hours. And the thing is....I'm not even sure what their problem is with any of this. They can't be upset about the language. That would be preposterous. So are they really upset about Obama not "denouncing" the comments? Really? Is that worth a blaring red headline on Drudge and 3 straight hours of talk radio? If that's all this controversy is about, then why are we even listening to these people's opinion on what the President should or should not be outraged about? After all they've said and outraged over, I think they've cried wolf about 200 times too many by now......

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:15:01am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There are no consequences because there is no accountability.

There is no one to hold them to account. Their audience doesn't care, and no one else can bring them to heel except their advertisers, who also don't care. The FCC doesn't take action for dishonest editing, only for nudity and bad words.

57 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:15:48am

re: #45 iceweasel

Meanwhile, the execrable Toby Harnden at the Torygraph is all over it too, of course: Will Barack Obama condemn Joe Biden and Jimmy Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'son of a bitches'?

Mom-meeee!! The people we've been bullying are fighting back! NO FAIR!!!11!!

58 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:16:30am

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

There is no one to hold them to account. Their audience doesn't care, and no one else can bring them to heel except their advertisers, who also don't care. The FCC doesn't take action for dishonest editing, only for nudity and bad words.

Because who cares if they people are being blatantly lied to, just so long as they are spared from boobies and dirty words.

59 mr.fusion  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:16:40am

re: #37 Charles

I mean, I know people have learned not to expect honest journalism from Fox, but this one really crosses a red line. And nobody gives a shit?

Someone brought up Rather's memo-gate (a story near and dear to this site's heart) and I think it's a brilliant comparison. Yet nobody will face any consequences for this.

I mean, remember when Limbaugh said he hoped this President failed and it was a major shocker? I doubt that anyone would even bat an eye at that comment now.....

60 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:17:00am

re: #57 publicityStunted

Heh. Loved that.

I really hate Toby Harnden-- he is such a freakin hack.

61 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:17:59am

re: #55 mr.fusion

I'm not really a big fan of "they do it to" as a way to justify one's own actions...

But this isn't even close to the same thing. Having a Republican Senate candidate call for "second amendment remedies" if they don't get their way in November is a helluva lot different than a union boss saying that the Tea Party has declared war on unions and that we need to vote them out. Completely different.

Second, I've been in the car all morning and this is ALL that Beck & Limbaugh have been talking about...clutching their pears for 5 straight hours. And the thing is...I'm not even sure what their problem is with any of this. They can't be upset about the language. That would be preposterous. So are they really upset about Obama not "denouncing" the comments? Really? Is that worth a blaring red headline on Drudge and 3 straight hours of talk radio? If that's all this controversy is about, then why are we even listening to these people's opinion on what the President should or should not be outraged about? After all they've said and outraged over, I think they've cried wolf about 200 times too many by now...

Yesterday, El Rushbo gleefully agreed with a dittohead who called liberals "financial pedophiles" for allegedly trying to steal his childrens' inheritance. He helpfully added that they were thieves, criminals, and liars too.

62 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:18:05am

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because who cares if they people are being blatantly lied to, just so long as they are spared from boobies and dirty words.

Fucking boobies...how do they work?

63 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:18:05am

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

There is no one to hold them to account. Their audience doesn't care, and no one else can bring them to heel except their advertisers, who also don't care. The FCC doesn't take action for dishonest editing, only for nudity and bad words.

There was some rant or other that involved the phrase "You can show a picture of a nipple being lopped off with a chainsaw, BUT YOU CAN'T KISS IT!"

Sadly I'm too afraid of what I'd get if I googled "Nipple lopped off with chainsaw" to figure out who gave that rant.

Either way clearly even if the fairness doctor is DOA I think the FCC needs to start enforcing a "Reality Doctrine" and soon.

64 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:18:12am

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because who cares if they people are being blatantly lied to, just so long as they are spared from boobies and dirty words.

It is what it is.

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:19:26am

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

There is no one to hold them to account.

Baloney. For people so hung up on social control via public shaming, conservatives sure to a lousy job of roping in their most unhinged.

66 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:19:58am
67 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:20:57am

re: #65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Baloney. For people so hung up on social control via public shaming, conservatives sure to a lousy job of roping in their most unhinged.

Exactly...public shaming is what is needed. John Boehner needs to be mocked mercilessly until he grows the fuck up or quits. Mitch McConnell needs to be called a fucking liar to his face until he tells the truth. Eric Cantor needs to be told to stop eating feces until he can get that smirk off his face.

68 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:21:37am

re: #63 jamesfirecat

There was some rant or other that involved the phrase "You can show a picture of a nipple being lopped off with a chainsaw, BUT YOU CAN'T KISS IT!"

Sadly I'm too afraid of what I'd get if I googled "Nipple lopped off with chainsaw" to figure out who gave that rant.

Either way clearly even if the fairness doctor is DOA I think the FCC needs to start enforcing a "Reality Doctrine" and soon.

On what legal basis could the FCC punish Fox for that edit? Remember that Fox News is not broadcast over the commercial airwaves, so the FCC has far less power over than say CBS.

69 Four More Tears  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:21:41am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


You're doing it wrong

Shouldn't you be a Space Marine right about now?

70 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:21:59am

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
how can u not LOL when reading this RW stuff.......Hoffa Incites Riots And Murder Before Obama Speaks; [Link: bit.ly...]

Seriously. Flopping Aces. Still with the 101st Chariborne.

71 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:22:00am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


You're doing it wrong

Okay...let me try again...doh! I tried too hard.

72 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:22:27am

re: #69 JasonA

Shouldn't you be a Space Marine right about now?

I was last night. Still have some video glitches, so I'm updating my video card drivers tonight before I play.

73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:22:31am

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

On what legal basis could the FCC punish Fox for that edit? Remember that Fox News is not broadcast over the commercial airwaves, so the FCC has far less power over than say CBS.

Don't rely on government. Do it yourself.

75 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:25:21am

Good lord...

@mmfa Media Matters
Breitbart & operatives came to MMFA demanding docs that are available online. We're nice, so we gave them docs anyway [Link: t.co...]

Video at link or watch here...

Guess Who Came To Visit?

This morning Andrew Breitbart, Dana Loesch and Mike Flynn dropped by Media Matters looking for our 990 forms.

76 mr.fusion  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:25:34am

re: #65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Baloney. For people so hung up on social control via public shaming, conservatives sure to a lousy job of roping in their most unhinged.

Think about what they are saying should have happened at this event:

The President, while backstage and maybe listening to Hoffa's comments, should have changed his prepared remarks on the spot. He was supposed to spend his speech in front of unions, on labor day, wagging his finger at the entire union over remarks made 10 minutes before his remarks, rather than talking about jobs. It's just preposterous

77 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:25:47am

re: #71 darthstar

Okay...let me try again...doh! I tried too hard.

[Dark_Falcon looks at darthstar for 20 seconds, then shakes his head sadly and turns away.]

78 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:25:52am

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

On what legal basis could the FCC punish Fox for that edit? Remember that Fox News is not broadcast over the commercial airwaves, so the FCC has far less power over than say CBS.

Then Hoffa should Sue them for... its Lible in Print, Slander if said, what do you call it if its done through video editing?

79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:27:00am

re: #67 darthstar

Exactly...public shaming is what is needed. John Boehner needs to be mocked mercilessly until he grows the fuck up or quits. Mitch McConnell needs to be called a fucking liar to his face until he tells the truth. Eric Cantor needs to be told to stop eating feces until he can get that smirk off his face.

Yeah but they won't. Too wrapped up in appearances, authority, what someone else thinks.

The only people they pull that shaming b.s. on are those they perceive as more vulnerable than they are; then when their aggressions get shoved right back in their faces, they run home crying to mommy. Have any of them progressed emotionally past the 3rd grade?

80 Lidane  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:27:04am

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Then Hoffa should Sue them for... its Lible in Print, Slander if said, what do you call it if its done through video editing?

It's still libel, because it was published in a permanent form.

81 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:27:30am

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Then Hoffa should Sue them for... its Lible in Print, Slander if said, what do you call it if its done through video editing?

Libel.

82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:29:57am

re: #75 Gus 802

Good lord...

@mmfa Media Matters
Breitbart & operatives came to MMFA demanding docs that are available online. We're nice, so we gave them docs anyway [Link: t.co...]

Grandstanding.

Conservatives have no ideas of their own, so this is the best they can do.

83 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:30:09am

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Then Hoffa should Sue them for... its Lible in Print, Slander if said, what do you call it if its done through video editing?

That is the one thing that could work - but does Hoffa want to engage Fox on that level? Murdoch would have no reservations about dropping as much money on legal fees as his lawyers would ask.

I wish there was an insanely wealthy person who would decide to go after Fox, no matter the cost. There doesn't seem to be anyone out there that fit the criteria.

84 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:31:26am

re: #83 makeitstop

That is the one thing that could work - but does Hoffa want to engage Fox on that level? Murdoch would have no reservations about dropping as much money on legal fees as his lawyers would ask.

I wish there was an insanely wealthy person who would decide to go after Fox, no matter the cost. There doesn't seem to be anyone out there that fit the criteria.

Where's Nathan Ford when we need him?

85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:31:55am

re: #76 mr.fusion

Think about what they are saying should have happened at this event:

The President, while backstage and maybe listening to Hoffa's comments, should have changed his prepared remarks on the spot. He was supposed to spend his speech in front of unions, on labor day, wagging his finger at the entire union over remarks made 10 minutes before his remarks, rather than talking about jobs. It's just preposterous

Their main problem isn't even with the namecalling. It really is the encouragement to vote that gets under their skin.

We can post pictures of violent tea party signs till the cows come home. Wait till I start posting pictures of what proto-teabagger conservatives did to people simply trying to put a ballot in a box.

86 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:32:34am

re: #82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Grandstanding.

Conservatives have no ideas of their own, so this is the best they can do.

I love it. Media Matters just handed them over the forms which they also printed out. And it's available online. I'm sure that Breitbart and Loesch went in their looking for a fight. It's in their nature.

87 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:34:23am

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Where's Nathan Ford when we need him?

In 'not a real person' land? :)

88 Martinsmithy  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:36:17am

Quite a rogue's gallery of photos. Thanks for reminding us, Charles.

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:40:27am

re: #41 Gus 802

Emopublicans ™

Note: Trademark belongs to OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin.

Ha, I think it was Obdi who came up with that one.

90 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:10:08am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Rules the GOP? Not hardly. He proves a lot of money, and has worked his way into parts of the organization, but he does not rule it.

He only rules Gov. Scott Walker?

91 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:50:08am

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

On what legal basis could the FCC punish Fox for that edit? Remember that Fox News is not broadcast over the commercial airwaves, so the FCC has far less power over than say CBS.

Yes that is true. Depending on most people to do the right thing in the face of a wrong (that they agree with) is almost like expecting a corporation to do the right thing (that they can make money from) without regulations. It ain't gonna happen.

92 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:54:00am

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Then Hoffa should Sue them for... its Lible in Print, Slander if said, what do you call it if its done through video editing?

Dishonest. Lying. Deception.

93 Voter in Illinois  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:15:21pm

The REAL Name Callers
Must see Video:

tiny.cc/zt72r

Liberal violence against TEA Party and Town Hall meetings

Photos and Video
tiny.cc/91shh
*
The Photo the MSM won't show you:
.tiny.cc/gifke
*
Liberals ram Their Way Through Boston Tea Party Rally – Attack Protesters (Video)
.tiny.cc/9ytpn
*
BUSH PROTEST SIGNS
.tiny.cc/aysm2
*
PROTESTING PHOTOS
The difference between the Tea Party and the Progressives;
.tiny.cc/r45yt

94 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:18:38pm

re: #93 Voter in Illinois

Go back to free republic.

95 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:19:26pm
96 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:22:06pm

re: #93 Voter in Illinois

MUSt see VIDEO

L@@K!!!!!

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:29:36pm

And sure enough, no such posting goes without Zombie's essay. Except there's no real analogy, since the scumbags from Zombie's essay weren't embraced as a movement by the Democratic party.

98 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:36:19pm

re: #93 Voter in Illinois

Isn't it considered unmanly to whine?

99 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:42pm

re: #93 Voter in Illinois

The REAL Name Callers
Must see Video:

tiny.cc/zt72r

Liberal violence against TEA Party and Town Hall meetings

Photos and Video
tiny.cc/91shh
*
The Photo the MSM won't show you:
.tiny.cc/gifke
*
Liberals ram Their Way Through Boston Tea Party Rally – Attack Protesters (Video)
.tiny.cc/9ytpn
*
BUSH PROTEST SIGNS
.tiny.cc/aysm2
*
PROTESTING PHOTOS
The difference between the Tea Party and the Progressives;
.tiny.cc/r45yt

Could you make a clear concise point or do you just want to show cherry picked photos?

100 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:10:44pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Rules the GOP? Not hardly. He proves a lot of money, and has worked his way into parts of the organization, but he does not rule it.

The Koch brothers may not "own" the GOP, per se, but their political points of view have become part and parcel of the current Bircher-friendly Tea Party incarnation of the Republican Party. And I'm sure that the GOP isn't refusing their money either...

101 TedStriker  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:29:50pm

re: #93 Voter in Illinois

Been holding your powder dry for over a year-and-a-half and this all you come up with for your first drive-by post?

Weak sauce...

102 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:08:00pm
103 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 7:33:17pm

And with that, we bid you adieu.

104 Buck  Wed, Sep 7, 2011 9:55:00am

re: #15 makeitstop

What Fox did is absolutely unprecedented, right out of the Breitbart playbook.

It is not at all unprecedented. It happens all the time, on all networks.

However giving examples just gets a chorus of MBF etc...

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

105 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 7, 2011 10:16:47am

re: #104 Buck

It is not at all unprecedented. It happens all the time, on all networks.

However giving examples just gets a chorus of MBF etc...

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

I look forward to Fox Apologizing instead of continuing to run the edited clip time and time again.

106 xring  Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:12:11pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

107 Buck  Thu, Sep 8, 2011 12:06:58pm

re: #105 jamesfirecat

I look forward to Fox Apologizing instead of continuing to run the edited clip time and time again.

You don't watch FOX, so how would you know?

In fact, it was only an hour later that they made the change.

However, do you really think that adding the word VOTE changes the entire meaning of what he was saying? Is it like a safety word.

We are your army... sons of bitches, wipe them out... vote.

Somehow, I don't think it makes it all right.


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