Breaking: Multiple Shootings in Nevada Restaurant
At the Carson City IHOP
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According to this story at the Reno Gazette-Journal, at least seven people have been shot by a suspect with a semi-automatic weapon…
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:34:39am |
The LV Sun is reporting 7 people shot at a Carson city IHOP, including the shooter, and it's expected that the shooter is going to die.
Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong says multiple people have been shot after a gunman opened fire at a restaurant.
Furlong tells The Associated Press the gunman opened fire inside an IHOP restaurant in Carson City at about 9 a.m. Tuesday.
He says multiple people were wounded, including the shooter. He says the person who authorities believe to be the shooter has been transported to a hospital "and is probably going to die."
Local and state police and FBI agents have descended on the scene on South Carson Street, also called U.S. 395, the main street in the state capital. Yellow tape surrounded the parking lot near a Kohl's department store in a shopping complex across the street from a casino and hotel.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:35:34am |
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:36:01am |
The choppers were called at 0900 local time so the shooting occurred a few minutes before that, a little less than 2 hours ago. It's much too early to draw any conclusions about the shooter's identity or possible motives but that won't keep swarms of internet commenters from doing so.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:36:16am |
Awful. I hope there are no fatalities.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:40:40am |
Doesn't seem like anything politically motivated.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:41:23am |
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:41:33am |
re: #8 dragonfire1981
Doesn't seem like anything politically motivated.
Possibly a former employee. Just chatter for now,
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:42:03am |
In Oregon news, Kip Kinkel is appealing to be ruled insane and moved to the state mental hospital.
He's never going to get out, but given that the papers love to run stories about how awful the state mental hospital is, the prison must be really bad.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:42:53am |
My guess is it's related to some sort of dispute between the shooter and the victims (divorce/family issues, etc.) or it's a former disgruntled employee.
I can't imagine what political motives someone would have for shooting up an IHOP.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:47:33am |
re: #12 Lidane
My guess is it's related to some sort of dispute between the shooter and the victims (divorce/family issues, etc.) or it's a former disgruntled employee.
I can't imagine what political motives someone would have for shooting up an IHOP.
I'm a bad person because I instantly wanted to make a joke about Nativism and it being an "International" establishment after all.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:47:44am |
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...
It's amazing how lax this nation is regarding the regulation of weaponry that is available to almost any citizen. Weapons unknown to the minds of our founding fathers.
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Alexzander Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:49:06am |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
I'm going to go get a haircut.
BBL
Shit me too.
First one in two and a half years. Job interview tomorrow.
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Political Atheist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:50:25am |
re: #15 Alexzander
Shit me too.
First one in two and a half years. Job interview tomorrow.
Good luck!!
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Jack Burton Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:51:06am |
re: #12 Lidane
My guess is it's related to some sort of dispute between the shooter and the victims (divorce/family issues, etc.) or it's a former disgruntled employee.
I can't imagine what political motives someone would have for shooting up an IHOP.
Hopefully this is *not* close to the reality of it but I'll go out on a limb...
The I in IHOP means 'International' as in, world government. Get it. CFR. Bildeburger Group. Freemasons. They will have UN Commissars telling us how many pancakes we can eat.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:51:13am |
And the night before in "beautiful" Reno: One Person Dead After Officer Involved Shooting in Reno
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:52:55am |
Damn...
One confirmed dead in Carson City shooting; eight transported to hospitals
Lt. Rob Van Diest of the Reno Police Department said one person has been confirmed dead.
Four victims have been transported to Carson-Tahoe Hospital in Carson City. Three of them are in surgery.
Four victims were transported to Renown Regional Medical Center, two in critical condition and two with less-serious injuries.
...Ralph Swagler, owner of Locals Barbecue in the same strip mall as the IHOP, said he saw a man wearing a red shirt and black shorts pull up outside the IHOP in a blue minivan.
Swagler said the man had a rifle. He shot and killed a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside the IHOP and started shooting.
Swagler said the man spent several minutes there, then walked back outside into the parking lot and began firing into the Locals Barbecue and an H&R Block in the strip mall.
“This happens in third-world countries, not here,” Swagler said.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:54:54am |
Time traveler demonstrates an AR-15 for Thomas Jefferson:
TJ: How exquisitely clever! And the workmanship is superb. Some of the materials are strange to me but I know fine steel when I see it. And you say it will fire 40 or 50 aimed shots a minute? With little smoke or recoil?
Traveler: Yes, sir, that is correct.
TJ: And you say almost anyone with sufficient money can buy one of these from a nearby merchant?
Traveler: That is true, sir.
TJ: Are you all insane up there?
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:55:00am |
re: #20 NJDhockeyfan
Damn...
One confirmed dead in Carson City shooting; eight transported to hospitals
"“This happens in third-world countries, not here,” Swagler said.
which means a) here is not here or b) we are a third-world country...
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:57:01am |
re: #23 ralphieboy
"“This happens in third-world countries, not here,” Swagler said.
which means a) here is not here or b) we are a third-world country...
Detroit is a third-world country.
//
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:57:08am |
re: #23 ralphieboy
"“This happens in third-world countries, not here,” Swagler said.
which means a) here is not here or b) we are a third-world country...
C) He hasn't read the news for the last few years
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:59:00am |
I'm going to Nevada tomorrow. Not near Carson, though.
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justaminute Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:00:03am |
This happened at a Luby 's in Texas. Many times my husband and I think about getting a weapon to have at the restaurant but where do you keep it? When we are not there, then what? Rely on Managers? Not a good idea. This can happen any where and at any time. And you can never really be prepared.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:00:52am |
re: #14 Gus 802
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...
It's amazing how lax this nation is regarding the regulation of weaponry that is available to almost any citizen. Weapons unknown to the minds of our founding fathers.
But we should abolish the Department of Education, since they couldn't forsee schools for everybody in the populace. /// ///
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:01:11am |
re: #27 justaminute
This happened at a Luby 's in Texas. Many times my husband and I think about getting a weapon to have at the restaurant but where do you keep it? When we are not there, then what? Rely on Managers? Not a good idea. This can happen any where and at any time. And you can never really be prepared.
What about giving a discount to off-duty (or even on-duty) police officers?
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:02:18am |
Heads have finally started to roll:
Obama shakes up gun agency over botched Mexico sting
Acting director Melson has been re-assigned (possibly to a broom closet) while US Attorney Dennis Burke has resigned.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:02:38am |
re: #28 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
But we should abolish the Department of Education, since they couldn't forsee schools for everybody in the populace. /// ///
Yeah, apparently these weapons aren't even a product safety issue for some people.
Gunz don't kill people!
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:03:16am |
So it appears that one person was shot outside the restaurant before opening fire inside the restaurant and injuring a number of other people. Shooter apparently committed suicide (10:50 local time update).
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justaminute Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:05:48am |
re: #29 EmmmieG
We are right by the highway patrol headquarter. We also have city cops in there frequently. And the rent a cops from the community college are in there multiple times a day. Maybe that's why we have never been robbed when all the other business beside us have been.
Gotta go. Going on vacation, talk to you later.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:05:56am |
re: #27 justaminute
This happened at a Luby 's in Texas. Many times my husband and I think about getting a weapon to have at the restaurant but where do you keep it? When we are not there, then what? Rely on Managers? Not a good idea. This can happen any where and at any time. And you can never really be prepared.
Places in the U.S. where shootings have taken place:
Post Office (origin of the phrase "going postal")
Restaurants (see above)
Subway car (Bernie Goetz, Colin Ferguson)
Hospital (Johns Hopkins)
Shopping Mall (Westroads, Omaha)
Political rally (Jared Loughner)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:06:42am |
re: #33 justaminute
We are right by the highway patrol headquarter. We also have city cops in there frequently. And the rent a cops from the community college are in there multiple times a day. Maybe that's why we have never been robbed when all the other business beside us have been.
Gotta go. Going on vacation, talk to you later.
Have a good time.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:07:05am |
10:50 a.m. update: The Carson City Sheriff's Office is confirming that the shooter is dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.There are reports that three people have died.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:09:34am |
re: #34 Alouette
Places in the U.S. where shootings have taken place:
Post Office (origin of the phrase "going postal")
Restaurants (see above)
Subway car (Bernie Goetz, Colin Ferguson)
Hospital (Johns Hopkins)
Shopping Mall (Westroads, Omaha)
Political rally (Jared Loughner)
Parades (West Indian parade in NYC this past weekend for example)
Gas stations (DC sniper)
Schools (Columbine, SUNY Albany, Va Tech, etc.)
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Lidane Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:10:59am |
re: #36 NJDhockeyfan
Well, since the shooter took their own life, I'm standing by the idea that this was a personal dispute or a former employee. Sounds like the shooter snapped and decided to take people with him on the way out of this life.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:11:08am |
re: #37 lawhawk
Parades (West Indian parade in NYC this past weekend for example)
Gas stations (DC sniper)
Schools (Columbine, SUNY Albany, Va Tech, etc.)
Wasn't there one in a museum that didn't get past the security?
The Holocaust museum, I'm kind of remembering.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:11:29am |
This wouldn't have happened if the people he was shooting at could fire back.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:11:46am |
Oh, wait, add Fort Hood.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:13:27am |
re: #37 lawhawk
Parades (West Indian parade in NYC this past weekend for example)
Out-of-town lookieloos at San Francisco Pride, every year.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:14:24am |
re: #39 EmmmieG
Yes, the shooter, a white supremacist, was intercepted at security, and a guard was killed.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:14:31am |
re: #34 Alouette
Places in the U.S. where shootings have taken place:
Post Office (origin of the phrase "going postal")
Restaurants (see above)
Subway car (Bernie Goetz, Colin Ferguson)
Hospital (Johns Hopkins)
Shopping Mall (Westroads, Omaha)
Political rally (Jared Loughner)
Minor quibble - Ferguson opened fire on a Long Island Railroad car, not a subway.
That's what motivated Carolyn McCarthy to run for Congress - her husband was shot and killed by Ferguson.
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theheat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:15:44am |
re: #20 NJDhockeyfan
“This happens in third-world countries, not here,” Swagler said.
It happens here often enough people instantly speculate what their motivation was (divorce/ disgruntled employee/ separatist, etc). I'd say that's often, if there's so many precedents we try to fill in the blanks right away.
Too often.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:15:52am |
re: #34 Alouette
Places in the U.S. where shootings have taken place:
Post Office (origin of the phrase "going postal")
Restaurants (see above)
Subway car (Bernie Goetz, Colin Ferguson)
Hospital (Johns Hopkins)
Shopping Mall (Westroads, Omaha)
Political rally (Jared Loughner)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:16:54am |
Why did the GOP turn against stimulus? Ask a psychologist.
With bonus picture of crazy Republican.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:17:21am |
Why no grocery stores or libraries?
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RadicalModerate Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:17:22am |
Don't forget about churches either (Scott Roeder murdering Dr. Henry Tiller)
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:17:27am |
re: #39 EmmmieG
Wasn't there one in a museum that didn't get past the security?
The Holocaust museum, I'm kind of remembering.
Holocaust Museum, right.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:17:57am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:19:36am |
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:19:52am |
Too much shit coming out of Reno right now. Nothing looks accurate just yet.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:21:20am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:21:56am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:22:09am |
Maybe the short list should be, places where there hasn't been a shooting.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:22:46am |
re: #52 jaunte
Good. He's gonna live to get a couple more holes torn in him. If you know what I mean.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:23:44am |
re: #56 Alouette
101 California Street shootings
9 dead including the shooter.
Two Intratec TEC-DC9 Colt M1911 pistol
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:25:42am |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:29:15am |
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:30:24am |
Here it comes:
jimmywhacko tweets:
I'm suspicious of #Islamic extremist when members of our military attacked in a restaurant in Carson City. Especially this close to 9/11.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:31:24am |
re: #62 WindUpBird
Man... why do you have a problem with Red Forman? Did he put a boot up your ass once too frequently? /
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:35:20am |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wait till the spin hits.
From the comments at Charle's link...
Nilbog3000
11:24 AM on September 6, 2011
It goes without saying that the obvious cause of this tragedy was the violent rhetoric used yesterday by Jimmy Hoffa at the President's speech, at Joe Biden's speech and recently by many members of the Black Congressional Congress. They all have blood on their hands!
That didn't take long at all...
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laZardo Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:35:32am |
re: #67 lawhawk
Robocop: "You have the right to remain silent."
Red Forman: "And I have the right to stick my foot in your shiny metal ass!"
/well, that's how it should have gone.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:35:38am |
In one year, 31,224 people died from gun violence and 66,769 people survived gun injuries (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC)). That includes:
12,632 people murdered and 44,466 people shot in an attack (NCIPC).
17,352 people who killed themselves and 3,031 people who survived a suicide attempt with a gun (NCIPC).
613 people who were killed unintentionally and 18,610 who were shot unintentionally but survived (NCIPC).
You can see tables on gun deaths here: 1) annual gun deaths and gun death rates by age and intent and by race/ethnicity, 2) ranked state gun death rates, and 3) trends in gun deaths and gun death rates by intent.
Often, we recall the horrific mass shootings where an unstable or perturbed individual opens fire and kills or injures people using powerful semiautomatic weapons. We have kept track of these all-too-common incidents in an interactive map and chronological lists: mass shootings, school shootings, and assault weapon shootings.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:36:02am |
re: #70 Gus 802
Over a million people have been killed with guns in the United States since 1968, when Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were assassinated (Childrens’ Defense Fund, p. 20).
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:36:35am |
re: #71 Gus 802
Over a million people have been killed with guns in the United States since 1968, when Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were assassinated (Childrens’ Defense Fund, p. 20).
U.S. homicide rates are 6.9 times higher than rates in 22 other populous high-income countries combined, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates. The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. is 19.5 times higher (Richardson, p.1).
Among 23 populous, high-income countries, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States (Richardson, p. 1).
Gun violence impacts society in countless ways: medical costs, costs of the criminal justice system, security precautions such as metal detectors, and reductions in quality of life because of fear of gun violence. These impacts are estimated to cost U.S. citizens $100 billion annually (Cook, 2000).
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laZardo Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:37:11am |
re: #71 Gus 802
The only effective method of population control!
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:39:07am |
Face it. Most of this is the result of our libertarian policies and attitudes towards gunz.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:42:23am |
re: #71 Gus 802
Over a million people have been killed with guns in the United States since 1968, when Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were assassinated (Childrens’ Defense Fund, p. 20).
So let's add the 1,000,000 to the 1,935,000 that have died from not having health insurance since 1968. More or less.
Grand total of deaths from libertarianism policy = 2,935,000 people.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:43:52am |
re: #76 Gus 802
So let's add the 1,000,000 to the 1,935,000 that have died from not having health insurance since 1968. More or less.
Grand total of deaths from libertarianism policy = 2,935,000 people.
The price of Freedom
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:44:10am |
re: #76 Gus 802
So let's add the 1,000,000 to the 1,935,000 that have died from not having health insurance since 1968. More or less.
Grand total of deaths from libertarianism policy = 2,935,000 people.
That's more Americans (civilians and military) than have died from wars, acts of wars, or terrorism since WWII.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:44:23am |
re: #75 Gus 802
Face it. Most of this is the result of our libertarian policies and attitudes towards gunz.
Culture of life for fetus and corporation ONLY. Everyone else: fair game to be killed by my guns, or else!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:45:03am |
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laZardo Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:45:22am |
re: #76 Gus 802
It's the ongoing price of genocide waged by an increasingly authoritarian government that continues to assault our dollar with fake Federal paper.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:45:45am |
re: #64 jaunte
Here it comes:
:/
MBF time...I just hope it wasn't some white nationalist basement dwelling loser, angry at minorities. (And our admirers.)
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:45:48am |
DID YOU KNOW? Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.
An estimated 41% of gun-related homicides and 94% of gun-related suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no guns been present (Wiebe, p. 780).
Higher household gun ownership correlates with higher rates of homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings (Harvard Injury Control Center).
Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide with a firearm by a factor of 17 (Kellermann, 1992, p. 467; Wiebe, p. 771).
Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3 (Kellermann, 1993, p. 1084).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:45:49am |
re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Culture of life for fetus and corporation ONLY. Everyone else: fair game to be killed by my guns, or else!
we are CULTURE OF FETUS
all we do is play noise art versions of Boy George songs
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:46:01am |
IsaacCervantes (of the Tomball, TX Tea Party) blames Hoffa.
Oh look, thanks Hoffa,et al.Three confirmed dead in Carson City shooting; shooter clinging to life...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:47:47am |
re: #85 jaunte
I blame Hoffa for the fact that I'm out of coffee
THANKS HOFFA
also MY 9/11 NEVER FORGET COMMEMORATIVE T-SHIRT IS DIRTY, THANKS HOFFA
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:48:02am |
Clearly the shooter listened to too much Judas Priest. There's an ironic twist here.
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:48:34am |
re: #88 Gus 802
Clearly the shooter listened to too much Judas Priest. There's an ironic twist here.
DREAM DECEIVERS!
THANKS FOR BLOWING MY FACE OFF, HOFFA
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Alexzander Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:50:23am |
New Ron Paul ad targets Perry for supporting Gore in past; also tries to tie Paul to Reagan (Lulz):
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:50:47am |
re: #89 WindUpBird
DREAM DECEIVERS!
THANKS FOR BLOWING MY FACE OFF, HOFFA
You ever see the documentary? Whew. That freaked me out.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:51:08am |
MY CABLE IS OUT!
THANKS,HOFFA!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:51:09am |
re: #39 EmmmieG
Wasn't there one in a museum that didn't get past the security?
The Holocaust museum, I'm kind of remembering.
Yes. A guard, Stephen Johns, was killed, but the shooter got no further.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:52:22am |
re: #90 Gus 802
Exactly.
Muslims are the new Judas Priest
imagine if there were a Muslim twin-guitar-assault metal band with a banshee lead singer that became a household name in America, Red State America would find themselves staring at a folk devil with power enough to break their minds
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:52:26am |
Across the way at Locals' BBQ, owner Ralph Swagler said witnessed much of the shooting. He said that he and his son were standing outside his restaurant when he saw a man pull into the IHOP parking lot, where he began shooting outside the restaurant. Swagler said he then saw a man on the ground next to a motorcycle, as the male shooter began shooting from the front of the restaurant to the inside. Swagler said the weapon was an assault-style weapon, in which he said the man "fired off an entire clip, reloaded and then walked inside and began shooting."
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:52:31am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:52:37am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:53:08am |
re: #75 Gus 802
Face it. Most of this is the result of our libertarian policies and attitudes towards gunz.
No. It's a result of our attitude toward and acceptance of violence. When a bare boob on TV gathers record fines but prime time is full of fights & killing, there's the real source of the problem. Magically take away the guns and we'd still be as violent with axes, swords & arrows. Until the acceptance of violence changes, nothing else will.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:53:41am |
re: #91 Alexzander
Ron Perragean! Mash them together, like Serpentor, Paul's features on perry's head with reagan's hat
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:53:49am |
Southern states still see highest uninsured rates in the country
Texas residents continue to be the most likely in the United States to lack health coverage, with 27.2% reporting being uninsured in the first half of 2011. At the other end of the spectrum is Massachusetts, where health insurance is required and 5.3% of residents lack coverage.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:56:13am |
re: #99 wlewisiii
No. It's a result of our attitude toward and acceptance of violence. When a bare boob on TV gathers record fines but prime time if full of fights & killing, there's the real source of the problem. Magically take away the guns and we'd still be as violent with axes, swords & arrows. Until the acceptance of violence changes, nothing else will.
OK then. Let's compare the killing efficiency between axes, swords & arrows and semi-automatic to automatic weapons?
I do agree that guns alone aren't the problem. I would also like to add that I'm not saying we should ban all guns either. It is however time to clamp down and make these weapons harder to purchase.
I'd still rather face someone with axes, swords & arrows than some nut with a semi-automatic.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:56:47am |
Uh, folks in Texas, everyone safe?
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:57:23am |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
Southern states still see highest uninsured rates in the country
I like Michael Ramirez's drawings, but that link is just one more reason why his cartoons like this one are bullshit.
Image: mrz090211dAPR20110902124516.jpg
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:58:05am |
I see the baggers are already pointing the finger at Muslim extremists. Could be, but it could just as easily be a bagger psycho. Fringe baggers tend to see the military, especially the National Guard, as a primary component of Obama's glacially slow plan to confiscate guns and round up Christians for deportation to FEMA camp. Google "Oath Keepers."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:59:01am |
re: #105 jaunte
that style, it's like they all went to the same school of editorial cartooning, it all starts to run together for me
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 11:59:59am |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:00:21pm |
Seeing some chatter that the shooter may be the boyfriend of an IHOP employee.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:00:37pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
I can probably outrun a guy with a giant hunk of bladed metal easier than a bullet!
funny thing about guns, they're easy to use!
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:00:52pm |
re: #106 Shiplord Kirel
I see the baggers are already pointing the finger at Muslim extremists. Could be, but it could just as easily be a bagger psycho. Fringe baggers tend to see the military, especially the National Guard, as a primary component of Obama's glacially slow plan to confiscate guns and round up Christians for deportation to FEMA camp. Google "Oath Keepers."
Who knows what this was about. I do think that the suspect shooting himself doesn't fit the profile of a terrorist.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:01:25pm |
re: #109 Charles
Seeing some chatter that the shooter may be the boyfriend of an IHOP employee.
a muslim union boyfriend?
because that's what i heard from my conservative aunt who wears stretchpants down to the Plaid
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:02:25pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
I can probably outrun a guy with a giant hunk of bladed metal easier than a bullet!
funny thing about guns, they're easy to use!
Yep. It's like facing a waif with an axe even mano a mano. Or facing that same waif with an Uzi. I think the choice is clear.
//
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:02:59pm |
re: #111 Gus 802
Who knows what this was about. I do think that the suspect shooting himself doesn't fit the profile of a terrorist.
My own guess, for what little it's worth, is that the boyfriend angle fits all too well to other domestic cases. I'll bet each person shot, other than the shooter and the girlfriend were people trying to stop him getting to her.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:03:09pm |
re: #106 Shiplord Kirel
I see the baggers are already pointing the finger at Muslim extremists. Could be, but it could just as easily be a bagger psycho. Fringe baggers tend to see the military, especially the National Guard, as a primary component of Obama's glacially slow plan to confiscate guns and round up Christians for deportation to FEMA camp. Google "Oath Keepers."
There's an element that assumes any shooting is jihadi until proven otherwise. They also believe, firmly, that any crime committed by a Muslim is an act of jihad or an honor killing, and any suggestion that a specific crime doesn't fit those patterns is seen as pure treacherous naivete. (Pam Geller loves this stuff--no one can convince her that Muslim teenagers who aren't jihadis sometimes set of fireworks in empty lots because they're bored and stupid, this being the primal nature of teenagers.)
Conveniently, all the times it wasn't a Muslim, and, given the odds, that's mostly, are forgotten, so that each time we wake up again in a magical new world where anyone suggesting that non-Muslims sometimes shoot people is a dhimmi sucker.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:03:53pm |
re: #109 Charles
Seeing some chatter that the shooter may be the boyfriend of an IHOP employee.
Don't look now but guess who's up to their old tricks again.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:04:51pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
they don't assume, they HOPE any shooting is jihadi :)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:05:58pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Don't look now but guess who's up to their old tricks again.
"Attacks on uniformed military members by freelance jihadists within the US"
lmao
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:06:15pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Don't look now but guess who's up to their old tricks again.
NINE ELEVEN!
it's always nine eleven somewhere
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:06:22pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Don't look now but guess who's up to their old tricks again.
'Freelance jihadists'?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:06:53pm |
Pam's ignoring this--today is LAUNCH DAY for the new book.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:07:03pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
'Freelance jihadists'?
dammit, both of you beat me to it, I was all trying to make an 'Equalizer' joke
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:07:14pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
'Freelance jihadists'?
Has anyone even suggested that the individual had any ties to Islam?
Might as well call Bonnie & Clyde freelance jihadists.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:07:56pm |
re: #124 EmmmieG
Has anyone even suggested that the individual had any ties to Islam?
Might as well call Bonnie & Clyde freelance jihadists.
Well, if you hope for your christian holy war HARD ENOUGH
maybe the guy will become a jihadi by magic!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:08:09pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
I can probably outrun a guy with a giant hunk of bladed metal easier than a bullet!
The important thing to remember is to run serpentine.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:08:25pm |
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:08:27pm |
The gunman is now dead.
Wait a minute for the conspiracy theorists to start.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:09:40pm |
Is anyone else here a fan of the freelance police?
(If I have to name them, you aren't.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:09:44pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
The gunman is now dead.
Wait a minute for the conspiracy theorists to start.
They're disappearing the body, they won't let anyone know he was Obama's uncle!
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:10:11pm |
re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist
Pam's ignoring this--today is LAUNCH DAY for the new book.
I'll have to go by Amazon and see how her hate speech stats are holding up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:11:04pm |
re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist
Pam's ignoring this--today is LAUNCH DAY for the new book.
don't you mean
MARTINI LUNCH DAY?!?!?!
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:11:21pm |
re: #132 WindUpBird
They're disappearing the body, they won't let anyone know he was Obama's uncle!
...
Clearly this is a coverup by the White House and Barack HUSSEIN Obama is having the body discarded and will stop the investigation because he knows this act was committed by a MOOZLIM TERRORIST!!11ty
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Henchman 25 Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:11:40pm |
Why does every shooting have to be jihad or liberals? Why can't it ever just be like a disgruntled employee or a boyfriend gone nuts?
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Henchman 25 Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:12:57pm |
re: #136 SteelPH
Or just some overcurious idiot who wonders how many bullets he can put in people before they die?
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:12:59pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:13:32pm |
re: #136 SteelPH
Why does every shooting have to be jihad or liberals? Why can't it ever just be like a disgruntled employee or a boyfriend gone nuts?
that doesn't fit the narrative!
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:13:43pm |
re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats every day.
"Would you like to try our 34 Martini lunch special?"
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:13:52pm |
re: #124 EmmmieG
Has anyone even suggested that the individual had any ties to Islam?
Might as well call Bonnie & Clyde freelance jihadists.
As far as I can tell, the press has no information on who he is at all. The cops said a few things that make me think they're looking into the idea that the Guardsmen might have been targeted, but I don't know why they specifically might think that.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:14:02pm |
re: #136 SteelPH
Why does every shooting have to be jihad or liberals? Why can't it ever just be like a disgruntled employee or a boyfriend gone nuts?
You mean, other than the fact that it usually one of the two?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:14:26pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:14:33pm |
re: #136 SteelPH
Why does every shooting have to be jihad or liberals? Why can't it ever just be like a disgruntled employee or a boyfriend gone nuts?
And we all know how right-wingers love to tell stories and explore their rich fantasy worlds ^_^
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:15:17pm |
re: #138 SteelPH
Or just some overcurious idiot who wonders how many bullets he can put in people before they die?
That doesn't allow them to feel like victims or justify their eliminationism towards everyone else, for their miserable lot in life.
And where's the fun in that!!
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:15:18pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
Every day is martini lunch day.
And in Pammy's case, the 'lunch' part is strictly optional.
//
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:15:41pm |
OT...
Deepak Chopra, U Mad?
[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:15:51pm |
re: #136 SteelPH
Why does every shooting have to be jihad or liberals? Why can't it ever just be like a disgruntled employee or a boyfriend gone nuts?
It usually is.
But if you go into every situation assuming it's jihadis, some percentage of the time you'll be right, and then you can gloat, and block out all the times it was a disgruntled ex-something.
Witness Debbie Schlussel's astonishing coverage of the Rusty Sneiderman shooting.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:16:28pm |
re: #138 SteelPH
Or just some overcurious idiot who wonders how many bullets he can put in people before they die?
He shot a man in Reno just to see him die.
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:16:43pm |
re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist
As far as I can tell, the press has no information on who he is at all. The cops said a few things that make me think they're looking into the idea that the Guardsmen might have been targeted, but I don't know why they specifically might think that.
Since from the eye witness account the guy showed up ready and apparently determined, this would seem to be pretty clearly a premeditated and planned attack. How much time do those Guardsmen spend in an IHOP? If those guys were specifically targeted I wouldn't think the IHOP would be the first place to look.
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Henchman 25 Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:17:52pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
Something tells me he won't last long.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:17:57pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
that guy's handle makes me lol, way to aim high there, tiger
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:18:19pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
I need another account so I can name it "unremarkable human"
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:18:58pm |
re: #151 allegro
Since from the eye witness account the guy showed up ready and apparently determined, this would seem to be pretty clearly a premeditated and planned attack. How much time do those Guardsmen spend in an IHOP? If those guys were specifically targeted I wouldn't think the IHOP would be the first place to look.
He might know them, personally, I suppose. The detail that makes me think it might be more random is that the shooter started by shooting a man outside who was getting on his motorcycle. Doing that is taking a risk that your actual target might get blocked off as a result--what if an employee reacts fast enough to chain the doors and yell for everyone to get down?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:20:17pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
He might know them, personally, I suppose. The detail that makes me think it might be more random is that the shooter started by shooting a man outside who was getting on his motorcycle. Doing that is taking a risk that your actual target might get blocked off as a result--what if an employee reacts fast enough to chain the doors and yell for everyone to get down?
or he just could have been too furious to care
he is a guy with an assault rifle about to blast the shit out of an ihop ;-)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:21:19pm |
re: #158 WindUpBird
or he just could have been too furious to care
he is a guy with an assault rifle about to blast the shit out of an ihop ;-)
That's what I mean. It doesn't seem like a hit, or a carefully targeted operation. It seems like a guy with an assault rifle, about to blast the shit out of an IHOP.
Jesus Christ, who shoots up an IHOP?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:21:27pm |
re: #147 makeitstop
And in Pammy's case, the 'lunch' part is strictly optional.
//
Lol the martini IS the lunch.
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:22:57pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
That's what I mean. It doesn't seem like a hit, or a carefully targeted operation. It seems like a guy with an assault rifle, about to blast the shit out of an IHOP.
Jesus Christ, who shoots up an IHOP?
A foodie who is terribly offended by the menu?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:23:01pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
someone with self-esteem issues, clearly!
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:24:52pm |
re: #155 WindUpBird
I need another account so I can name it "unremarkable human"
I call dibs on 'Generic Republican!'
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:25:11pm |
re: #160 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol the martini IS the lunch.
The olive is the lunch and the martini is there to wash it down.
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:25:24pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:26:11pm |
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:28:30pm |
Ha! Figures...
@JammieWF JammieWearingFool
I really hope the violent rhetoric from @BarackObama warmup act Junior Hoffa didn't incite this maniac in Carson City
What a dweeb.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:28:48pm |
re: #161 allegro
A foodie who is terribly offended by the menu?
Really, seriously, you must have issues to dislike a Belgian waffle.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:29:32pm |
re: #167 WindUpBird
Someone who felt that the Rooty Tooty, Fresh 'n Fruity - wasn't fruity enough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:32:22pm |
re: #168 Gus 802
Ha! Figures...
@JammieWF JammieWearingFool
I really hope I can convince some people that the violent rhetoric from @BarackObama warmup act Junior Hoffadidn'tincited this maniac in Carson CityWhat a dweeb.
Edited for honesty.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:33:54pm |
More from the cornucopia of stupid.
Warning. Links to Jim "Dim" Hoft. Read the comments there.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:35:59pm |
Update: 4 dead (including gunman), 6 wounded in attack. 2 of the dead were National Guardsmen, but so far no information as to whether there was a connection between the gunman and the victims.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:36:08pm |
Sandoval and Harry Reid have put out statements, Sandoval's following the situation from Las Vegas.
Nothing more will happen, I suppose, until they start releasing names.
Fucking moronic tragedy.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:36:19pm |
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:37:25pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:41:29pm |
re: #176 Gus 802
He's in need of a Bruce Lee-size swift spiritual kick to the head (shakabuku) to reorient himself with reality.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:41:37pm |
re: #168 Gus 802
Ha! Figures...
@JammieWF JammieWearingFool
I really hope the violent rhetoric from @BarackObama warmup act Junior Hoffa didn't incite this maniac in Carson CityWhat a dweeb.
Jammie still out there?...I'm not surprised, getting in his digs....you don't suppose he surfs LGF?
hi Jammie!
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aagcobb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:00pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
That article is a hoot. How could we aid in the overthrow of such a friend of America and bulwark against terrorism as Q-daffy?
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:37pm |
re: #179 aagcobb
That article is a hoot. How could we aid in the overthrow of such a friend of America and bulwark against terrorism as Q-daffy?
Gee, didn't Chuck personally whip Gaddafi's ass in some movie or another?
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dr. luba Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:18:20pm |
re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Detroit is a third-world country.
So is Oklahoma.
....and so are Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and most of the rest of the old Confederacy. At least if you consider health, wealth and pollution statistics.
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:30:09pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
So let's add the 1,000,000 to the 1,935,000 that have died from not having health insurance since 1968. More or less.
Grand total of deaths from libertarianism policy = 2,935,000 people.
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
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TedStriker Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:46:30pm |
re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bitches leave.
"Cobra Assault Cannon...state-of-the-art bang-bang."
(Coincidentally, RoboCop is the first place I remember seeing a Barrett .50 cal)
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