I’m posting this poll mainly to test the new poll-creating feature we’ll be rolling out soon for LGF Pages authors, but also because it might be an interesting question:
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:44:23pm |
I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.
Also, his state is burning. Shouldn't he be focused on that?
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:44:44pm |
I went with Perry. He's got the ground game, TP cred, and appeals to the same crowd that is enamored with the likes of Bachmann or Palin.
His only real competition is Romney, and I think the GOP voters aren't going to support Romney particularly through the South and West.
Perry's biggest concern - himself. If he self-destructs, then Romney's chances improve dramatically. I think most everyone else is playing for a VP slot if that.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:17pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
He's standing by to receive federal funds, and hoping no one notices.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:21pm |
Okay, who voted Huntsman? Are you serious?
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:28pm |
MB is crazier than all of them put together, so I voted for a lesser lunatic....Perry
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elizajane Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:57pm |
This is the ONLY time I will ever vote for Rick Perry.
I do think he has the best chance, and I don't think that it's a good thing for anybody, not even for Obama, who should really have a sane opponent. Standing on stage with a lunatic doesn't necessarily suddenly make you look strong. It can make you look like an idiot. It can make the whole process look ludicrous.
But unless the punditocracy takes him down (and do they really have the power to do that?), I think Perry is the GOP candidate.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:06pm |
re: #3 lawhawk
I went with Perry. He's got the ground game, TP cred, and appeals to the same crowd that is enamored with the likes of Bachmann or Palin.
His only real competition is Romney, and I think the GOP voters aren't going to support Romney particularly through the South and West.
Perry's biggest concern - himself. If he self-destructs, then Romney's chances improve dramatically. I think most everyone else is playing for a VP slot if that.
Meh, I think if Perry self destructs than Michele Bachmann can still take Mitt.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:18pm |
re: #4 jaunte
And hoping that no one reads his book and notices that what he says is nearly as crazy as Bachmann.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:46pm |
re: #7 reine.de.tout
I think Rick Perry, unfortunately.
I don't think Perry is going to make it. I put my money on the establishment candidate Mitt.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:48pm |
You're gonna like this poll-creation feature -- it's really easy to use.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:47:32pm |
re: #9 jamesfirecat
Bachmann wont be able to stand the heat of a concerted campaign and her campaign staff is already having issues (her top consultant is stepping down and the deputy is leaving - and they already consider her the third choice behind Mitt and Perry).
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:47:57pm |
re: #12 Charles
Any limitations on the number of choices in the poll?
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aagcobb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:48:16pm |
re: #10 lawhawk
And hoping that no one reads his book and notices that what he says is nearly as crazy as Bachmann.
I'm pretty sure the Obama Campaign has noticed; and if Perry is the nominee, they'll make sure everyone else does as well.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:48:22pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
I don't think Perry is going to make it. I put my money on the establishment candidate Mitt.
He already has a 55 million dollar war chest. I think Perry will make it.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:48:56pm |
re: #16 lawhawk
Any limitations on the number of choices in the poll?
Vote once and look for the silver lining. Vote twice and look for the police.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:03pm |
I want Romney, but say Perry--with a vague hope that some sane governor will suddenly pop out of the woodwork and take everything closer to the date.
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:13pm |
I'm not at all convinced that Perry will make it that far. Right now he's the latest shiny thing, like Fred Thompson in 2008. I strongly suspect that he will flash and burn in the near future. I also think that Republican PTB are going to see to it that the less insane Romney gets the nod.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:19pm |
I put down Perry, but my vote in this poll is not an endorsement.
If there was a 'none of the above' option I'd have been all over it. :)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:37pm |
re: #3 lawhawk
I went with Perry. He's got the ground game, TP cred, and appeals to the same crowd that is enamored with the likes of Bachmann or Palin.
His only real competition is Romney, and I think the GOP voters aren't going to support Romney particularly through the South and West.
Perry's biggest concern - himself. If he self-destructs, then Romney's chances improve dramatically. I think most everyone else is playing for a VP slot if that.
I had to pick Perry as well. I'd much rather have Romney but the question wasn't who I'd rather have.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:59pm |
Pro-Perry super PAC's $55 million budget
So that's partial. He has more than 55 million.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:09pm |
I went with the popular pick, Perry. He's charismatic, seen as successful, and he's good at throwing the base bones. Romney is probably the most likely to beat Obama but that doesn't mean he's the most likely nominee. Two different things IMO.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:20pm |
re: #16 lawhawk
Any limitations on the number of choices in the poll?
I don't want them to get absurdly long - I'm thinking of 10 as a limit.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:27pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
I don't think Perry is going to make it. I put my money on the establishment candidate Mitt.
From your keyboard to God's eyes, Killgore.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:32pm |
re: #15 lawhawk
Bachmann wont be able to stand the heat of a concerted campaign and her campaign staff is already having issues (her top consultant is stepping down and the deputy is leaving - and they already consider her the third choice behind Mitt and Perry).
She can't possibly do it, no. One key part of being able to run successfully for president is the ability to say things like 'Ah, shucks, you think I'm a Nazi? Well, heckfire, I ain't," without losing your cool. Bachmann freaks when criticized.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:13pm |
re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist
She can't possibly do it, no. One key part of being able to run successfully for president is the ability to say things like 'Ah, shucks, you think I'm a Nazi? Well, heckfire, I ain't," without losing your cool. Bachmann freaks when criticized.
Exactly. She has very little to offer that Perry does not have, while Rick Perry does have the campaign staff, funding, and executive experience she lacks.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:23pm |
TPM headline:
"Giuliani: I’ll Only Run For President
If GOP Field Looks ‘Really Desperate’"
So I guess he's running.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:42pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
Exactly. She has very little to offer that Perry does not have, while Rick Perry does have the campaign staff, funding, and executive experience she lacks.
And Perry doesn't have crazy eyes.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:43pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
I had to pick Perry as well. I'd much rather have Romney but the question wasn't who I'd rather have.
Just because I tend to use you as a measuring stick for sane Republicans, who would you vote for in November Dark, Perry or Obama?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:53:26pm |
I am amazed Bachmann has made it as far as she has. I mean really she has as much legislative accomplishments as I do in Congress. But she throws a lot of red meat and is one of the Tea Party's best buds in Congress so I guess that helps.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:54:25pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.
Bingo. Perry/Bachmann 2012 - The Nightmare in America Tour!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:54:49pm |
re: #35 wlewisiii
Bingo. Perry/Bachmann 2012 - The Nightmare in America Tour!
Change we can puke in.
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:54:51pm |
My cursor was irresistibly drawn to Ron Paul.
Sorry.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:10pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:28pm |
re: #18 Gus 802
He already has a 55 million dollar war chest. I think Perry will make it.
Maybe. At this point last time I thought for sure we'd see Hillary vs Rudy. What do I know?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:40pm |
Rick Perry, because conservative Republicans really ARE that stupid.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:42pm |
re: #35 wlewisiii
Do you think it could be Perry/Romney, or do you think Romney would refuse the vp slot?
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:01pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.
Also, his state is burning. Shouldn't he be focused on that?
He's going to ask God to take care of it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:04pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
Maybe. At this point last time I thought for sure we'd see Hillary vs Rudy. What do I know?
Perry still has the opportunity to spontaneously combust.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:19pm |
re: #33 jamesfirecat
Just because I tend to use you as a measuring stick for sane Republicans, who would you vote for in November Dark, Perry or Obama?
I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:32pm |
Hello lizards, long time :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:57:23pm |
re: #34 HappyWarrior
I am amazed Bachmann has made it as far as she has. I mean really she has as much legislative accomplishments as I do in Congress. But she throws a lot of red meat and is one of the Tea Party's best buds in Congress so I guess that helps.
I think she also skated for a time on the trend Palin established, of the hot Republican babe who can kick those ol' liberals' bee-hinds. (I tend to type with a twang when discussing stereotypes in American politics for some reason.) The whole hot-mama-politician image was very effective, briefly.
Unfortunately, no one actually does Palin like Palin, and most attempts to copy her have failed. Bachmann gets closest, but her schtick was never as narrative-compatible, and she's less comfortable playing up the sexy.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:57:52pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.
Okay, just curious because when Rick Perry /Republican Presidential Nominee X has lost your vote, it probably means all he has left is the base (and what a base base it seems to be these days)
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:57:58pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
And Perry doesn't have crazy eyes.
He also doesn't have female parts. Let's not think for a moment that this doesn't have an enormous impact on electability, especially on the right.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:58:07pm |
listening to Romney right now and want to scream.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:58:41pm |
re: #41 jaunte
Do you think it could be Perry/Romney, or do you think Romney would refuse the vp slot?
Mittens would pull a Clinton and ask for Secretary of State.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:59:25pm |
re: #51 wlewisiii
Mittens would pull a Clinton and ask for Secretary of State.
Better of use of him (and her) anyway.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:19pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
Ron Paul is winning!
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He would be, but the poll is obviously rigged against him.
/
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AK-47% Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:21pm |
Perry has the message that people want to believe:
cut taxes, abolish regulation, create jobs
it fits the soundbyte-friendly, bullet-point style of modern campaigning, sounds good in a 30-second spot with amber waves of grain in the sunset over majestic purple mountains (soaring eagle optional) and is what people want to hear, so they will not bother listening to assessments of all the flaws in the argument.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:51pm |
Honestly I am of the thought htat Romney is overrated a bit as a candidate. I know the GOP likes to nominate historically runners up (Bush, Dole, McCain) but Romney couldn't beat McCain and Huckabee last time both of whom had some serious problems with the base. I don't know. Mitt just doesn't impress me as a candidate. I mean no way I vote for him overall but there must be something I am not seeing. Mitt seems to be running on "I'm electable, vote for me." but is he really? It's my understanding from Massachusetts friends that he won in 2002 by a running as a moderate and b benefitting from a weak Dem candidate. Perry's a jerk, I think most of us here on LGF agree on that but the man I think can position himself as more electable than Romney by virtue of having won three state wide elections. Mitt only has one election win to his credit ever.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:01:17pm |
re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He would be, but the poll is obviously rigged against him.
/
I demand to know why Charles is against Ron Paul!!11ty
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:02:16pm |
re: #55 ralphieboy
Perry has the message that people want to believe:
cut taxes, abolish regulation, create jobs
it fits the soundbyte-friendly, bullet-point style of modern campaigning, sounds good in a 30-second spot with amber waves of grain in the sunset over majestic purple mountains (soaring eagle optional) and is what people want to hear, so they will not bother listening to assessments of all the flaws in the argument.
People outside of Texas don't know the guy. He will not wear well methinks. Right now he's Generic Republican to most, simply a rejection of the others who they do know and don't much like.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:03:51pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
I demand to know why Charles is against Ron Paul!!11ty
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Charles is against auditing the Fed, obviously.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:03:52pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
I demand to know why Charles is against Ron Paul!!11ty
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Because Charles is a Socialist, that's why!
/
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:28pm |
I'm hoping that Pres Obama will have to tour the federal disaster area that is Texas, and get in some awesome a la Charlie Christ photo ops with Gov. Walking Dude.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:28pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.
Baloney. You've already said you could see yourself voting for him. No way you'd vote Obama if that's the case.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:32pm |
re: #31 garhighway
TPM headline:
"Giuliani: I’ll Only Run For President
If GOP Field Looks ‘Really Desperate’"So I guess he's running.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
He's also doomed if he does, judging by his comments today.
Asked why it would be so hard for him to become the nominee, Giuliani sketched a picture of a nominating process designed to keep Republicans like him -- pro-choice, pro-gay rights (sort of) and (at one time) pro-gun control -- from ever getting to the White House, despite the fact their views may be more in line with the general electorate than their more socially conservative opponents.
"I'm simply not that conservative on social issues," he said. "And I'm not willing to change just to become President."
He's lost the nutjob vote before announcing.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:06:56pm |
Hey all
Had lunch with a friend who votes Democratic on principle and she isn't happy with the prospects either. She said that she's tired of all the testosterone in Washington --of all flavors and colors.
How is everyone?
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:07pm |
Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]
Texas miracle!
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:21pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:42pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
I think she also skated for a time on the trend Palin established, of the hot Republican babe who can kick those ol' liberals' bee-hinds. (I tend to type with a twang when discussing stereotypes in American politics for some reason. The whole hot-mama-politician image was very effective, briefly.
Unfortunately, no one actually does Palin like Palin, and most attempts to copy her have failed. Bachmann gets closest, but her schtick was never as narrative-compatible, and she's less comfortable playing up the sexy.
To me, she didn't even come close. At least Palin has a sense of humor and a personality. Bachmann? Zero.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:46pm |
I voted for Newt, just because anyone turned into a newt by some witch needs all the help he can get.
Maybe he'll get better. Maybe not.
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AK-47% Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:48pm |
re: #59 allegro
People outside of Texas don't know the guy. He will not wear well methinks. Right now he's Generic Republican to most, simply a rejection of the others who they do know and don't much like.
Once he can establish himself as the Chosen One, the GOP front runner and the Great White Hope (in more than the figurative sense) against Obama, the party will flock to him and present him cleaned up, spin-dried and dusted off, ready to embody the hopes of all those who wish to bring down the Obama administration.
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aagcobb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:08pm |
re: #62 Stanley Sea
I'm hoping that Pres Obama will have to tour the federal disaster area that is Texas, and get in some awesome a la Charlie Christ photo ops with Gov. Walking Dude.
I guarantee you Perry will find somewhere else he has to be before he'll appear in a photograph with the President.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:30pm |
re: #67 jaunte
Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]Texas miracle!
And most of the created jobs were state and local government jobs, at minimum wage and/or part time.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:32pm |
re: #67 jaunte
Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]Texas miracle!
Silence!
//
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:38pm |
Am presently baking a cake. It went well last week, this weeks attempt seems a little drier in the dough.
Ho-hum.
Will be able to tell in an hour or so.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:09:16pm |
re: #63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Baloney. You've already said you could see yourself voting for him. No way you'd vote Obama if that's the case.
No, I asked Dark about Obama versus Perry and Dark doesn't know.
Dark has already said that he'd vote for Mitt over Obama.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:09:24pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.
The election is over a year away.
Anything can happen between now and then.
I'm not speculating, just observing and being, generally, disgusted.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:09:43pm |
re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
To me, she didn't even come close. At least Palin has a sense of humor and a personality. Bachmann? Zero.
You betcha.
Um, I thought Palin suffers from bad humors.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:10:00pm |
re: #67 jaunte
Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]Texas miracle!
But but blue state economies, Texas miracle, blah blah. By the way for all the crap that gay marriage ruins the sanicity of marriage, Massachusetts has one of the nation's lowest divorce rates. Put that in your pipe and shove it, dickbags.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:10:26pm |
On topic -
Voted for Perry, just because on form i don't see him losing traction just yet and Romney is a never was has been.
| 81 |
Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:03pm |
re: #78 b_sharp
You betcha.
Um, I thought Palin suffers from bad humors.
Perhaps trepanation could help?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:21pm |
re: #75 wozzablog
Am presently baking a cake. It went well last week, this weeks attempt seems a little drier in the dough.
Ho-hum.
Will be able to tell in an hour or so.
Don't take it out in the rain.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:32pm |
The only certainty is the winnar will be god's favorite candidate.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:43pm |
re: #77 ggt
The election is over a year away.
Anything can happen between now and then.
I'm not speculating, just observing and being, generally, disgusted.
That may be, but I'm sure God made bananas the perfect shape just for man.
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aagcobb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:43pm |
There is clearly some wishful thinking in this poll, since Huntsman is currently running third, and his support in the real polls is statistically insignificant.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:13pm |
Heck. Even West Virginia has a slightly lower unemployment rate than Texas. 8.1 vs. 8.6
What Texas miracle?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:38pm |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:48pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
The only certainty is the winnar will be god's favorite candidate.
The GOP nominee will have magical powers to heal the land!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:48pm |
re: #76 jamesfirecat
No, I asked Dark about Obama versus Perry and Dark doesn't know.
I'm just saying I don't believe it. It could be true, but if those are the two choices, I don't believe it.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:13:03pm |
re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Perhaps trepanation could help?
But then everything will leak out.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:13:25pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:13:33pm |
re: #85 aagcobb
There is clearly some wishful thinking in this poll, since Huntsman is currently running third, and his support in the real polls is statistically insignificant.
John Hunstman, because you wanted to vote for a moderate mormon, but Mitt Romney seems to charismatic....
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:14:02pm |
re: #78 b_sharp
You betcha.
Um, I thought Palin suffers from bad humors.
You could be right. Let's just say, Palin is the more effective demagogue. She's really good at that. Sometimes she reminds me of Trotsky.
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:15:16pm |
3 people REALLY think Rick Santorum has a chance?
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:15:28pm |
re: #87 ggt
He did?
Well, some women like them too, but Ray and Kirk have said quite plainly, they didn't come from no monkeys and crocoducks hate bananas.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:16:18pm |
re: #94 bratwurst
3 people REALLY think Rick Santorum has a chance?
Newt got a vote? You can't explain that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:17:14pm |
re: #94 bratwurst
3 people REALLY think Rick Santorum has a chance?
Or the 3 people for Herman Cain. /Schadenfreude
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:17:53pm |
re: #93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You could be right. Let's just say, Palin is the more effective demagogue. She's really good at that.
POLLS ARE FOR STRIPPERS!!!
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:00pm |
Hilarious:
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Romney is going to "sanction" China on Day 1
Right. Sanction China. That'll help. All we need now is a trade war with China.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:45pm |
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Mitt Romney compares himself to Steve Jobs
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:21:25pm |
All done!
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
CNN gets bored with Romney speech and cuts away.
Poor Mittens.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:21:41pm |
re: #76 jamesfirecat
No, I asked Dark about Obama versus Perry and Dark doesn't know.
Dark has already said that he'd vote for Mitt over Obama.
Thank you, James.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:21:49pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
Hilarious:
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Romney is going to "sanction" China on Day 1Right. Sanction China. That'll help. All we need now is a trade war with China.
Where will we get our shit?
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aagcobb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:22:12pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
Hilarious:
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Romney is going to "sanction" China on Day 1Right. Sanction China. That'll help. All we need now is a trade war with China.
One of those promises immediately forgotten after the election, like moving the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
| 111 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:24:49pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
Thank you, James.
There are many things I don't like about you Dark, some days I'm not even sure if I like you as a person, but you done nothing but be completely civil and deserve equally civil treatment in turn.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:25:27pm |
re: #108 JasonA
Where will we get our shit?
I guess the other communist countries and f'ed up dictatorships where we've forced markets - Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand, Bangladesh, Latin American maquiladoras, etc.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:25:29pm |
re: #95 b_sharp
Well, some women like them too, but Ray and Kirk have said quite plainly, they didn't come from no monkeys and crocoducks hate bananas.
The whole "didn't come from Monkey's" meme is such bullshit. It shoes a total lack of understanding of genetic science.
And Frankly, Who gives a f-ck. If there is a monkey in my 50 billion gazillion old family tree, I don't care.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:26:36pm |
Mac Arther Park reference.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:28:07pm |
China... think rare Earths materials.
It's pretty funny seeing Romney say he'll sanction China and then minutes later compare himself to Steve Jobs. You know, what with Apple manufacturing being in China and all.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:28:56pm |
re: #113 ggt
The whole "didn't come from Monkey's" meme is such bullshit. It shoes a total lack of understanding of genetic science.
And Frankly, Who gives a f-ck. If there is a monkey in my 50 billion gazillion old family tree, I don't care.
The same people who claim they didn't come from monkeys instead claim they came from one guy, his rib, and their offspring who must have committed incest to have children of their own.
SCIENCE!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:29:31pm |
re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The same people who claim they didn't come from monkeys instead claim they came from one guy, his rib, and their offspring who must have committed incest to have children of their own.
SCIENCE!
SCILENCE!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:31:22pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
China... think rare Earths materials.
It's pretty funny seeing Romney say he'll sanction China and then minutes later compare himself to Steve Jobs. You know, what with Apple manufacturing being in China and all.
They will say anything, because their constituents are stupid enough to believe anything they are told.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:32:07pm |
re: #12 Charles
You're gonna like this poll-creation feature -- it's really easy to use.
Great. I have been hoping for a feature like this. Put me in as a certain early adopter on this one.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:32:55pm |
re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
They will say anything, because their constituents are stupid enough to believe anything they are told.
[Link: oai.dtic.mil...]
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:33:31pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.
Try listing Rick Perry's good qualities vs. bad qualities.
Good qualities - Hair. Executive experience.
Bad qualities - Perry is an abject theocrat. Texas' economic miracle is based entirely on government jobs. He is anti science and plans to gut the EPA. He's a secessionist. He threatened the Fed chairman. He's presided over the execution of an innocent man.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:33:49pm |
re: #120 Gus 802
[Link: oai.dtic.mil...]
Might as well post the abstract:
Abstract : China controls approximately 97 percent of the world's rare earth element market. These elements, which are not widely known because they are so low on the production chain, are critical to hundreds of high tech applications, many of which define our modern way of life. Without rare earth elements, much of the world's modern technology would be vastly different and many applications would not be possible. For one thing, we would not have the advantage of smaller sized technology, such as the cell phone and laptop computer, without the use of rare earth elements. Rare earth elements are also essential for the defense industry and are found in cruise missiles, precision guided munitions, radar systems and reactive armor. They are also key to the emergence of green technology such as the new generation of wind powered turbines and plug-in hybrid vehicles, as well as to oil refineries, where they act as a catalyst. (Note: for more in-depth information on the specific uses of rare earth elements, refer to Appendix A). Over the past few years, China has come under increasing scrutiny and criticism over its monopoly of the rare earth industry and for gradually reducing export quotas of these resources. However, China is faced with its own internal issues that, if not addressed, could soon stress the country's rare earth industry. This paper is designed to give the reader a better understanding of what rare earth elements are and their importance to society in general and to U.S. defense and energy policy in particular. It will also explore the history of rare earth elements and China's current monopoly of the industry, including possible repercussions and strategic implications if rare earth elements supply were to be disrupted.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:34:46pm |
re: #120 Gus 802
[Link: oai.dtic.mil...]
Do you think that's yet another reason for Chinese companies' "scramble for Africa"?
Scramble for Africa 2.0.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:34:56pm |
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:36:42pm |
It's going to be Perry, based on how things appear at the moment. I don't believe he can win the election though. With the exception of Romney none of the GOP candidates can win.
The TGOP has hoisted themselves on the horns of a dilemma. A candidate that can win the nomination cannot win the election and vice versa.
I'm hoping not too many people go off the deep end and fall back on 'Second Amendment remedies' when Obama wins the next one.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:37:31pm |
re: #121 goddamnedfrank
Try listing Rick Perry's good qualities vs. bad qualities.
Good qualities - Hair. Executive experience.
Bad qualities - Perry is an abject theocrat. Texas' economic miracle is based entirely on government jobs. He is anti science and plans to gut the EPA. He's a secessionist. He threatened the Fed chairman. He's presided over the execution of an innocent man.
You forgot the part where he views social security as a Ponzi scheme....
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:38:11pm |
re: #124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Do you think that's yet another reason for Chinese companies' "scramble for Africa"?
Scramble for Africa 2.0.
Could be. China's everywhere though. Investing in Canadian shale oil. Now they're also investors in Texas shale oil in some locations. They've overtaken us in solar panel manufacturing and I think even wind turbine manufacturing.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:38:28pm |
I would love to hear the thinking of the person who picked Newt.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:38:34pm |
But... there's no "too early to tell!"
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:39:38pm |
re: #127 jamesfirecat
You forgot the part where he views social security as a Ponzi scheme...
He gives companies hand outs of government funds with no oversight or accountability.
You also forgot to mention his magical powers.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:40:24pm |
re: #121 goddamnedfrank
Bad qualities - Perry is an abject theocrat. Texas' economic miracle is based entirely on government jobs. He is anti science and plans to gut the EPA. He's a secessionist. He threatened the Fed chairman. He's presided over the execution of an innocent man.
Lol those vs Obama but he's uncertain. Right. It's a good thing I'm not in the market for a bridge, today.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:40:52pm |
re: #15 lawhawk
Bachmann wont be able to stand the heat of a concerted campaign and her campaign staff is already having issues (her top consultant is stepping down and the deputy is leaving - and they already consider her the third choice behind Mitt and Perry).
I don't think Perry can close the deal. Already he has campaign financing issues. The more Perry is vetted, the better Romney looks.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:41:49pm |
So let me guess. We sanction China for human rights abuses yet we're still best buds with Saudi Arabia?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:41:57pm |
re: #126 Romantic Heretic
It's going to be Perry, based on how things appear at the moment. I don't believe he can win the election though. With the exception of Romney none of the GOP candidates can win.
The TGOP has hoisted themselves on the horns of a dilemma. A candidate that can win the nomination cannot win the election and vice versa.
I'm hoping not too many people go off the deep end and fall back on 'Second Amendment remedies' when Obama wins the next one.
I think Rick Perry can win. It all depends on a combination of the economy (which the Republicans will continue to sabotage,) debate performance and the lack of any serious scandal affecting him. It's a dangerous mentality to think he can't win, with the right running mate he could be an incredibly formidable opponent.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:44:07pm |
re: #128 Gus 802
Could be. China's everywhere though. Investing in Canadian shale oil. Now they're also investors in Texas shale oil in some locations. They've overtaken us in solar panel manufacturing and I think even wind turbine manufacturing.
Heck, just repeal OSHA, child labor laws, and allow forced prison labor just like China does and we too can be manufacturing leaders!
///
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:44:57pm |
re: #137 Rightwingconspirator
Heck, just repeal OSHA, child labor laws, and allow forced prison labor just like China does and we too can be manufacturing leaders!
///
Don't forget we'll also need public factory housing and socialized medicine. And bring back the draft. See. Then we can compete.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:45:32pm |
re: #136 goddamnedfrank
I think Rick Perry can win. It all depends on a combination of the economy (which the Republicans will continue to sabotage,) debate performance and the lack of any serious scandal affecting him. It's a dangerous mentality to think he can't win, with the right running mate he could be an incredibly formidable opponent.
I was just about to say - depending on who he's paired with, any of these whackodoodles, sure they'll have a chance of winning. It's the incumbent's race to lose.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:47:24pm |
re: #138 Gus 802
Don't forget we'll also need public factory housing and socialized medicine. And bring back the draft. See. Then we can compete.
//
Eh, why bother with that. Just go back to states rights sharecropping economy, with migrant workers living in tents in every sector. And free wifi!
Seems like we could use a man like Herbert Hoover, again. /
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:47:55pm |
re: #137 Rightwingconspirator
Heck, just repeal OSHA, child labor laws, and allow forced prison labor just like China does and we too can be manufacturing leaders!
///
Everyone will have jobs! You can work in the factories or you can be on the run from corporate enforcers who will drag you back and chain you to the assembly line.
/
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:48:54pm |
re: #140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Eh, why bother with that. Just go back to states rights sharecropping economy, with migrant workers living in tents in every sector. And free wifi!
Seems like we could use a man like Herbert Hoover, again. /
The Confederates would want to go back even further if you know what I mean.
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KingKenrod Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:50:30pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
China... think rare Earths materials.
It's pretty funny seeing Romney say he'll sanction China and then minutes later compare himself to Steve Jobs. You know, what with Apple manufacturing being in China and all.
The Obama Administration is investigating China for the rare earth hoarding...unions are accusing China of restricting rare earth exports because China wants to force industries to re-locate to China to have access to the elements.
But it seems Romney's complaints are about currency manipulation and IP theft.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:51:01pm |
re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You also forgot to mention his magical powers.
No, I mentioned the hair. It's a symbiotic organism that automatically casts charm undead once per round.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:52:01pm |
re: #142 Gus 802
The Confederates would want to go back even further if you know what I mean.
True, but they are fundamentally cowards. They'll only end up turning their guns on each other.
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William of Orange Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:52:02pm |
Is there no ninth candidate named Mr. None-of-the-above (R-Coo Koo land)?
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:52:58pm |
re: #126 Romantic Heretic
It's going to be Perry, based on how things appear at the moment. I don't believe he can win the election though. With the exception of Romney none of the GOP candidates can win.
I hope that's true.
I remember reading that in last year's election, Christine O'Donnell won the "white vote."
If Christine if O'Donnell isn't considered stark raving mad enough to make people run away in fear, there's a lot of upside for a charismatic asshole like Perry.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:54:33pm |
re: #147 BongCrodny
I hope that's true.
I remember reading that in last year's election, Christine O'Donnell won the "white vote."
If Christine if O'Donnell isn't considered stark raving mad enough to make people run away in fear, there's a lot of upside for a charismatic asshole like Perry.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:55:41pm |
re: #144 goddamnedfrank
No, I mentioned the hair. It's a symbiotic organism that automatically casts charm undead once per round.
Lou Engle says he can bring rain.
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Iwouldprefernotto Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:59:27pm |
Perry is going to choke in large states (other than Texas). He is too radical and is stance on social security is silly.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:00:35pm |
Romney is the only one with enough gravitas to possibly beat Obama. I have said this for close to three years. By no means am I predicting he WILL beat Obama, but there is no way that Rick Perry can win in a general election against the President.
And now it looks like Luap Nor has Perry in his crosshairs ...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
That's a battle I wish both guys could lose.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:01:39pm |
re: #143 KingKenrod
The Obama Administration is investigating China for the rare earth hoarding...unions are accusing China of restricting rare earth exports because China wants to force industries to re-locate to China to have access to the elements.
But it seems Romney's complaints are about currency manipulation and IP theft.
I for one am glad that I live in a nation where our corporations never engage in corporate espionage nor one where our financial institutions manipulate markets. We should pat ourselves on the back... yet again.
//
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:02:17pm |
re: #153 _RememberTonyC
Romney is the only one with enough gravitas to possibly beat Obama. I have said this for close to three years. By no means am I predicting he WILL beat Obama, but there is no way that Rick Perry can win in a general election against the President.
And now it looks like Luap Nor has Perry in his crosshairs ...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
That's a battle I wish both guys could lose.
Romney might have the best chance against Obama in a general election, but his real problem is he doesn't have much of a chance of getting his own party's nomination.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:03:48pm |
re: #111 jamesfirecat
There are many things I don't like about you Dark, some days I'm not even sure if I like you as a person, but you done nothing but be completely civil and deserve equally civil treatment in turn.
Thank you for the honesty, James.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:03:59pm |
Seems as though it was American financial institutions who engaged in predatory lending and subprime mortgage manipulation that almost led to the meltdown of the world financial markets.
Bad China! Bad!
Oops.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:04:09pm |
re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Romney might have the best chance against Obama in a general election, but his real problem is he doesn't have much of a chance of getting his own party's nomination.
exactly right ...
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:08:47pm |
re: #129 garhighway
I would love to hear the thinking of the person who picked Newt.
OK.
Here you go.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:10:42pm |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for the honesty, James.
I like you as a person, just sometimes I want to poke you with a stick.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:11:40pm |
Rick Perry will burn out like a moth before a flame before the primaries are over. There's too much freaky religious extremist in him.
I voted for LUAP NOR because everyone should always vote for LUAP NOR.
And it looks like Bachmann has a homosexual-at-her-husband's-clinic's chance of surviving this thing.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:12:19pm |
Heh.
EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
"tentative" is being quite kind; RT @benpolitico Perry still very tentative in some ways -- still no interviews w/reporters --
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:13:19pm |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:13:34pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:14:04pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:14:51pm |
re: #144 goddamnedfrank
No, I mentioned the hair. It's a symbiotic organism that automatically casts charm undead once per round.
It also has a special effect where LGF is concerned:
Any troll killed while supporting Rick Perry by the Ban Hammer of the Lizard King is automatically resurrected next turn by Perry's Goodhair as an Abysmal Ghoul Myrmidon that serves Perry.
LGF/D&D Crossover
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:15:01pm |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:16:50pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
It also has a special effect where LGF is concerned:
Any troll killed while supporting Rick Perry by the Ban Hammer of the Lizard King is automatically resurrected next turn by Perry's Goodhair as an Abysmal Ghoul Myrmidon that serves Perry.
LGF/D&D Crossover
Screw it, I put a portable hole in a bag of holding and wipe eveyone out.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:17:04pm |
Selectively edited "New Journalism" is spreading:
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simoom Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:19:14pm |
It's bizarre how many news orgs are screwing up the Hoffa quote today. Most aren't even abridging with ellipses in a misleading way, they're just outright reporting a quote that was never said. It makes it really hard not to conclude that a whole lot of journalists these days never even bother to watch firsthand what they're reporting on, and instead regurgitate whatever they saw from their morning Drudge read.
For example, here's ABC's Ann Compton's write up today:
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
“President Obama, this is your army,” Hoffa concluded to applause, his voice raising to a shout. “We are ready to march. Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” he said, stepping back from the lectern where President Obama would speak less than an hour later.
As we've seen elsewhere that bolded quoted sentence is actually an amalgam of the beginning and the end of an entire paragraph. It should be:
"We are ready to march. And, President Obama we want one thing – jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. That’s what we’re going to tell him. When he sees what we’re doing here he will be inspired. But he needs help. And, you know what. Everybody here’s gotta vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong."
Oh, and apparently the trivial truly is king as far as modern journalism is concerned. Doing a quick scan of Politico I count at least 7 Tuesday Hoffa speech stories across their site...
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:19:32pm |
re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Screw it, I put a portable hole in a bag of holding and wipe eveyone out.
Total Protonic Reversal...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:20:25pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
It also has a special effect where LGF is concerned:
Any troll killed while supporting Rick Perry by the Ban Hammer of the Lizard King is automatically resurrected next turn by Perry's Goodhair as an Abysmal Ghoul Myrmidon that serves Perry.
LGF/D&D Crossover
Serious question: Are you wearing armor right now? Or maybe a better question is: How much armor are you wearing right now?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:21:34pm |
re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Screw it, I put a portable hole in a bag of holding and wipe eveyone out.
Too late, I already cast a spell that turned you into a mindless Palin Spawn.
/I love this sort of gamer geek fight.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:22:26pm |
re: #174 darthstar
Serious question: Are you wearing armor right now? Or maybe a better question is: How much armor are you wearing right now?
That right there is a cross between a gamer and an internet perv.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:22:53pm |
re: #174 darthstar
Serious question: Are you wearing armor right now? Or maybe a better question is: How much armor are you wearing right now?
Trick question: Its a well known fact that for female characters, less armor equals better armor.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:24:11pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Too late, I already cast a spell that turned you into a mindless Palin Spawn.
/I love this sort of gamer geek fight.
Sorry, I actually took the reading/writing proficiency, which made me immune to that particular effect.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:24:56pm |
Interesting that Fox was offended enough by Jimmy Hoffa Jr.'s PG-13 language yesterday to misleadingly and unethically edit a tape of him, but stays oddly mum on the comments of some of its own Nation's residents.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:25:00pm |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Trick question: Its a well known fact that for female characters, less armor equals better armor.
OK, another shower for me coming right up.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:26:09pm |
re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sorry, I actually took the reading/writing proficiency, which made me immune to that particular effect.
WHAT NEWSPAPERS DO YOU READ?
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:29:09pm |
re: #179 Atlas Fails
Interesting that Fox was offended enough by Jimmy Hoffa Jr.'s PG-13 language yesterday to misleadingly and unethically edit a tape of him, but stays oddly mum on the comments of some of its own Nation's residents.
Fox isn't offended...Hoffa's words were a gift that fit nicely into their narrative
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:29:18pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:29:46pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:32:08pm |
Lunch is served...
The Maggot Sandwich At The Colorado State Fair (VIDEO)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:32:23pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:33:39pm |
re: #179 Atlas Fails
Interesting that Fox was offended enough by Jimmy Hoffa Jr.'s PG-13 language yesterday to misleadingly and unethically edit a tape of him, but stays oddly mum on the comments of some of its own Nation's residents.
I didn't even click on that.
Supremacist mentality: violent con and other bigots get to run roughshod over everyone in their path. Anyone who pushes back at them is discriminating at their RIGHT to RULE.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:34:11pm |
I think this question would be best asked after the 1st debate. Perry doesn't really so the whole debating thing. If he has a good night Wednesday, then I'd say he's got it. But if he proves to be not ready for prime time, I think it shifts back to Romney at least until the next debate.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:34:20pm |
re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I've learned to use a mouse left handed...
That's a handy talent.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:25pm |
re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal
I think this question would be best asked after the 1st debate. Perry doesn't really so the whole debating thing. If he has a good night Wednesday, then I'd say he's got it. But if he proves to be not ready for prime time, I think it shifts back to Romney at least until the next debate.
Is Perry gonna be there or is he sticking around Texas because of the wildfires? (could also be a twofer if he hates debates)
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:37pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:40pm |
i think romney will look stronger once the primaries start
then it will be a battle of the network hair btw perry and romney
as they vie harder and harder to pander to the right, the center will become more and more alienated
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:50pm |
re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal
I think this question would be best asked after the 1st debate. Perry doesn't really so the whole debating thing. If he has a good night Wednesday, then I'd say he's got it. But if he proves to be not ready for prime time, I think it shifts back to Romney at least until the next debate.
That could be. But I think he will do very well in the debates. The GOP screwed up the last/only time they have ever had a rock star, which was Palin, so they are desperate for another one. pRick Perry fits the bill. I think he'll be given pass after pass after pass because of it.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:37:32pm |
remember, there's an old political pundit rule of thumb that a candidate often polls strongest right after their initial announce...
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:37:38pm |
re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That could be. But I think he will do very well in the debates. The GOP screwed up the last/only time they have ever had a rock star, which was Palin, so they are desperate for another one. pRick Perry fits the bill. I think he'll be given pass after pass after pass because of it.
I see what you did there.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:38:27pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:39:17pm |
re: #188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I didn't even click on that.
Supremacist mentality: violent con and other bigots get to run roughshod over everyone in their path. Anyone who pushes back at them is discriminating at their RIGHT to RULE.
maybe we are seeing the end of partisan two party rule....this ridiculous, sports-like loyalty mentality may become obsolete....voters need to wake up and realize that inflexible drooling over their party is a farce....I would love to see more people that say...you don't own me, you need to earn my vote...probably not for some time if ever
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:40:31pm |
re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is Perry gonna be there or is he sticking around Texas because of the wildfires? (could also be a twofer if he hates debates)
I'm not sure. If he skips the debate he will look like he's chicken. The wildfires are serious, but they have been going on for quite a while now and so far all he's done about it is ask people to pray and fast for rain. If he isn't there he's got no excuse and will confirm my suspicion that debating scares him. He knows as the new candidate and front runner he will be the target and there is a lot to hit him with.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:41:12pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.
what if it was Ron Paul? :D
(I'm just screwing around)
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RadicalModerate Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:41:31pm |
I don't think that Rick Perry will get the nomination, for a couple of reasons.
First, his abject refusal to participate in debates. This may be okay early on, but the closer to primary season we get, he's going to start alienating voters.
Second, his slightly less than absolutist views regarding immigration. The Nationalist wing of Republicans (aka Geller, etc) already don't like him much because of this.
If Rudolph Giuliani decides to join the fray, honestly, unless he royally screws up, the nomination is his to lose.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:41:57pm |
re: #148 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I have to wonder-Are a candidates strongest critics the best judges of his ability to win? I would think not. A more objective view would have the better shot at accuracy. A die hard fan would be even less accurate than a critic though.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:42:37pm |
re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That could be. But I think he will do very well in the debates. The GOP screwed up the last/only time they have ever had a rock star, which was Palin, so they are desperate for another one. pRick Perry fits the bill. I think he'll be given pass after pass after pass because of it.
Maybe. It's a TP debate so that's his natural audience. It also means he's more likely to say a bunch of shit that will come back to bite him in the general.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:42:52pm |
re: #198 albusteve
maybe we are seeing the end of partisan two party rule...this ridiculous, sports-like loyalty mentality may become obsolete...voters need to wake up and realize that inflexible drooling over their party is a farce...I would love to see more people that say...you don't own me, you need to earn my vote...probably not for some time if ever
I would love multiple parties, and that runoff-take-the-people-who-got-the-top-two-slots-and-run-them-in-the-general-can't-remember-what-it's-called thing
but that'll never happen, both parties have a duopoly and they like it that way!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:43:28pm |
re: #201 RadicalModerate
I don't think that Rick Perry will get the nomination, for a couple of reasons.
First, his abject refusal to participate in debates. This may be okay early on, but the closer to primary season we get, he's going to start alienating voters.
Second, his slightly less than absolutist views regarding immigration. The Nationalist wing of Republicans (aka Geller, etc) already don't like him much because of this.If Rudolph Giuliani decides to join the fray, honestly, unless he royally screws up, the nomination is his to lose.
Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:44:36pm |
Okay, everyone, it is September, better known as Emergency Preparedness month.
I know a lot of you are well prepared from your responses last year.
I am here to nag the rest of you.
First off--water. You don't want to be paying $40.56 a crate at Best Buy.
Emergency plans--have them? Gone over fire safety and had a mock fire drill in your home? What about Grandma? Does your extended family have an emergency plan for Grandma or Aunt Betsy?
Meds. They aren't just for recreation.
Food. Have you thought about what could be eaten without power?
Heat. I know right now everyone east of the Rockies is thinking they could live without it for a while, but really. Heat.
This is not a comprehensive list, and I'm not done nagging. I'm sure others have things to add to the list as well.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:44:44pm |
re: #206 wozzablog
Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.
Rudy is unelectable by the current GOP, he looks as alien to the base of the GOP these days as Obama does
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:44:47pm |
re: #198 albusteve
maybe we are seeing the end of partisan two party rule...
It's interesting because before the tea party became the bunch of herded cats it did, it had that opportunity. Then they were commandeered to stay in the R party. That's to the R's advantage because the tea party could have split their vote into a million pieces.
I would love to see more people that say...you don't own me, you need to earn my vote...probably not for some time if ever
I like my Dusty's version the best
I should say also, I see what's in bold going on with the lgbt vote. Prematurely, and by the types who do not understand minority social movements. You wouldn't believe the amateurish crap people told me during the 2010 elections, stuff like, since Obama didn't overturn DADT by EO they're writing in Matthew Sheppard, that level of utter nonsense.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:09pm |
re: #207 EmmmieG
you should see my first aid kit, it's mindblowing :D
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:15pm |
re: #201 RadicalModerate
I don't think that Rick Perry will get the nomination, for a couple of reasons.
First, his abject refusal to participate in debates. This may be okay early on, but the closer to primary season we get, he's going to start alienating voters.
Second, his slightly less than absolutist views regarding immigration. The Nationalist wing of Republicans (aka Geller, etc) already don't like him much because of this.If Rudolph Giuliani decides to join the fray, honestly, unless he royally screws up, the nomination is his to lose.
Has Rudy become pro-life or something? The GOP isn't nominating a pro-choicer and he did worse than Romney back in 2008. And seriously what's he going to run on? A noun, a verb and 9/11? Obama already trumped him by getting OBL.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:17pm |
It appears the the elementary school bus drop-off is right in front of my house this year.
How ironic.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:28pm |
re: #206 wozzablog
Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.
he's been training, preserving body fluids etc...I don't care how many girl friends he's had...he makes more sense than any goof currently running
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:34pm |
keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom
the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:02pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:03pm |
re: #206 wozzablog
Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.
Rudy put all his eggs into the Florida basket which equaled FAIL.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:15pm |
re: #214 engineer dog
keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom
the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans
has the monster killed its master? We'll find out!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:59pm |
re: #208 WindUpBird
Rudy is unelectable by the current GOP, he looks as alien to the base of the GOP these days as Obama does
Don't disagree at all.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:47:20pm |
[Link: www.redcross.org...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:47:28pm |
re: #202 Rightwingconspirator
I have to wonder-Are a candidates strongest critics the best judges of his ability to win? I would think not. A more objective view would have the better shot at accuracy. A die hard fan would be even less accurate than a critic though.
Well, it's like steve alluded to - all of this is spectator sport, ALL of it. Especially right now. The election is more than a year away -- this time in 2007 if you'd have told me Barack Obama would be president I would still be laughing at you.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:47:58pm |
re: #214 engineer dog
keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom
the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans
Over the last four decades, the Republican Party has transformed from a loyal opposition into an insurrectionary party that flouts the law when it is in the majority and threatens disorder when it is the minority. It is the party of Watergate and Iran-Contra, but also of the government shutdown in 1995 and the impeachment trial of 1999. If there is an earlier American precedent for today’s Republican Party, it is the antebellum Southern Democrats of John Calhoun who threatened to nullify, or disregard, federal legislation they objected to, and who later led the fight to secede from the union over slavery.
Today, Republicans are threatening a government shutdown and an international monetary crisis over raising the debt ceiling. They have demanded a set of ruinous concessions as a condition for raising the ceiling. These conditions would include draconian budget cuts at a time when economic growth has virtually stalled—it grew a mere 0.9 percent the first half of this year—because of the exhaustion of the 2009-10 government stimulus. To gain Tea Party votes, House Speaker John Boehner set another condition for raising the debt ceiling again in six months: the passage by the House and Senate of a constitutional amendment to balance the budget. An amendment of this kind would make it impossible for the federal government to reverse economic downturns. The Republicans are, in effect, demanding a major constitutional change in return for not shutting down the government and undermining the American economy. That’s insurrectionary behavior.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:48:01pm |
re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar
Lunch is served...
The Maggot Sandwich At The Colorado State Fair (VIDEO)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
NPR had an interview with an food scientist about entomophagy being the future of feeding the human race, what with the increasing population and overall inefficiency of meat sources as is. The way he put it was (paraphrasing) "...more and more products are going to list larger and larger percentages of animal protein on the nutrition info, and it won't be from quadripeds. You're going to be eating bugs whether you realize it or not."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:48:11pm |
re: #211 moderatelyradicalliberal
Has Rudy become pro-life or something? The GOP isn't nominating a pro-choicer and he did worse than Romney back in 2008. And seriously what's he going to run on? A noun, a verb and 9/11? Obama already trumped him by getting OBL.
a pro-choicer...from new york...who doesn't look like the base of the GOP, who doesn't talk like them either, who hangs out with gay people.
NOT ELECTABLE
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:49:00pm |
re: #172 simoom
It's bizarre how many news orgs are screwing up the Hoffa quote today. Most aren't even abridging with ellipses in a misleading way, they're just outright reporting a quote that was never said.
It started when AP intentionally misquoted Obama when he was speaking about Israel.
I guess it's standard procedure now. It disgusts me.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:49:19pm |
re: #213 albusteve
he's been training, preserving body fluids etc...I don't care how many girl friends he's had...he makes more sense than any goof currently running
I don't care about his private life - i personally thought he was odious as a pol.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:49:30pm |
re: #207 EmmmieG
Okay, everyone, it is September, better known as Emergency Preparedness month.
I know a lot of you are well prepared from your responses last year.
I am here to nag the rest of you.
First off--water. You don't want to be paying $40.56 a crate at Best Buy.
Emergency plans--have them? Gone over fire safety and had a mock fire drill in your home? What about Grandma? Does your extended family have an emergency plan for Grandma or Aunt Betsy?
Meds. They aren't just for recreation.
Food. Have you thought about what could be eaten without power?
Heat. I know right now everyone east of the Rockies is thinking they could live without it for a while, but really. Heat.
This is not a comprehensive list, and I'm not done nagging. I'm sure others have things to add to the list as well.
Along with my garden harvest of squash, beans, quinoa, dried tomatoes, etc I keep a couple jars of peanut butter, a couple dozen tins of sardines and about 20 pounds of rice on hand at all times.
I also have a hand cranked flashlight/radio too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:50:08pm |
re: #203 moderatelyradicalliberal
Maybe. It's a TP debate so that's his natural audience. It also means he's more likely to say a bunch of shit that will come back to bite him in the general.
I think the other part of it is the part of the GOP that is sick of the tea party. I have to wonder about the money interests, many of whom depend on real science e.g. petroleum, chemicals/materials, etc., take to this anti-science stance. I hope they speak up, because they are on a collision course with this monster they created.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:50:45pm |
re: #172 simoom
bizarre? it's business! Lying to people and scaring them and making them mad = $$$
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:51:13pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:51:16pm |
re: #222 The Ghost of a Flea
NPR had an interview with an food scientist about entomophagy being the future of feeding the human race, what with the increasing population and overall inefficiency of meat sources as is. The way he put it was (paraphrasing) "...more and more products are going to list larger and larger percentages of animal protein on the nutrition info, and it won't be from quadripeds. You're going to be eating bugs whether you realize it or not."
If you take bugs, soak them in beef or chicken broth or cure it, give it a fancy name and add it to hot dogs or bologna, no one will know.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:51:28pm |
re: #214 engineer dog
keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom
the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans
I'm sorry to inform you but TPs are traditional Republicans. They have been a part of the GOP coalition for at least 40 years now, cultural resentment, bigotry and all.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:52:06pm |
re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, it's like steve alluded to - all of this is spectator sport, ALL of it. Especially right now. The election is more than a year away -- this time in 2007 if you'd have told me Barack Obama would be president I would still be laughing at you.
OK, this I'm updinging and I suggest everyone else do the same. This post is exactly correct about the nature of election coverage. The honesty and biases of the media outlets vary, but they all want to play up the 'contest' aspects of the election, because that's how they gain money and visibility.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:52:13pm |
re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just cover 'em with chocolate.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:52:13pm |
re: #211 moderatelyradicalliberal
Has Rudy become pro-life or something? The GOP isn't nominating a pro-choicer and he did worse than Romney back in 2008. And seriously what's he going to run on? A noun, a verb and 9/11? Obama already trumped him by getting OBL.
Rudy is still quite popular in the New England states, Florida, California and (to a lesser extent) the Rust Belt states. The number of delegates those states will garner should offset the heavily Neo-Confederate base in the South and the anti-immigration faction in the Southwest.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:53:29pm |
re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Also - this
Reflections of a GOP congressional operative who left the "cult"
[Link: www.truth-out.org...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:53:32pm |
re: #234 RadicalModerate
Rudy is still quite popular in the New England states, Florida, California and (to a lesser extent) the Rust Belt states. The number of delegates those states will garner should offset the heavily Neo-Confederate base in the South and the anti-immigration faction in the Southwest.
IIRC, Rudy came in third in Florida in 2008.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:54:07pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:01pm |
re: #231 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm sorry to inform you but TPs are traditional Republicans. They have been a part of the GOP coalition for at least 40 years now, cultural resentment, bigotry and all.
doubt it
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:07pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
OK, this I'm updinging and I suggest everyone else do the same. This post is exactly correct about the nature of election coverage. The honesty and biases of the media outlets vary, but they all want to play up the 'contest' aspects of the election, because that's how they gain money and visibility.
Well thanks for that, DF. Steve brought up a really good point.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:23pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:44pm |
re: #229 freetoken
GOLD!!
Where's the GOLD!!
Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:56:23pm |
re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or, just deep-fry 'em and call them "poppers" or "crunchies" or anything....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:57:20pm |
re: #241 Killgore Trout
Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:57:34pm |
re: #227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think the other part of it is the part of the GOP that is sick of the tea party. I have to wonder about the money interests, many of whom depend on real science e.g. petroleum, chemicals/materials, etc., take to this anti-science stance. I hope they speak up, because they are on a collision course with this monster they created.
The money and foreign policy oriented parts of the GOP have never been hot on the Tea Party. They loved how it picked the GOP off the floor after its 2008 drubbing, but they want it as a path back to power. But if partnering with the Tea Party looks likely to lead to financial or foreign policy disaster, then those non-socon parts of the party will rebel. As part of the foreign policy element, I'll be one of the rebels.
But if I'm going to be a rebel, my mother's family's North Carolina heritage means I'll have to learn to whistle 'Dixie' first. /in jest
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:57:39pm |
re: #231 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm sorry to inform you but TPs are traditional Republicans. They have been a part of the GOP coalition for at least 40 years now, cultural resentment, bigotry and all.
They're just reliving their anti-desegregation/anti-Women's Lib years from the 70s.
And 60s.
And 50s.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:58:17pm |
re: #242 freetoken
Or, just deep-fry 'em and call them "poppers" or "crunchies" or anything...
As long as people have Ranch dressing to dip something that is fried into, it will sell.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:58:43pm |
re: #246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
mmmmmm...the crucible....
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:59:01pm |
re: #227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think the other part of it is the part of the GOP that is sick of the tea party. I have to wonder about the money interests, many of whom depend on real science e.g. petroleum, chemicals/materials, etc., take to this anti-science stance. I hope they speak up, because they are on a collision course with this monster they created.
I have no doubt that there is a part of the GOP that is tired of the TP, but they aren't a majority of the party. At best it's 50/50 and they can't control them. They couldn't control them when they were going on about birth certificates or during the debt ceiling debate or when they nominated a bunch of lunatics that cost the GOP the Senate. I keep hearing about these sane Republicans and I don't doubt their existence. What I do doubt is their power and numbers. If they have the power and the numbers to reign the TP in they better get to it because Perry is at 30% and when the other clowns start dropping out of the race their crazy voters will go to him, not Romney.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:59:13pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
OK, this I'm updinging and I suggest everyone else do the same. This post is exactly correct about the nature of election coverage. The honesty and biases of the media outlets vary, but they all want to play up the 'contest' aspects of the election, because that's how they gain money and visibility.
"Pimp The Drama", get the ratings.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:59:26pm |
re: #241 Killgore Trout
Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.
Better to stock up on surveyor's wood stakes. Especially if it becomes a vampire-zombie apocalypse.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:01:24pm |
re: #234 RadicalModerate
Rudy is still quite popular in the New England states, Florida, California and (to a lesser extent) the Rust Belt states. The number of delegates those states will garner should offset the heavily Neo-Confederate base in the South and the anti-immigration faction in the Southwest.
I don't recall Rudy winning any of those states back in 2008 and surely he was more popular then. Sorry, his time has passed. He's a no-go.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:01:51pm |
re: #251 Gus 802
Better to stock up on surveyor's wood stakes. Especially if it becomes a vampire-zombie apocalypse.
I wonder if bamboo stakes will work. I have plenty of those.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:02:12pm |
re: #251 Gus 802
Better to stock up on surveyor's wood stakes. Especially if it becomes a vampire-zombie apocalypse.
A good titanium crowbar is all you'll ever need.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:02:49pm |
re: #249 moderatelyradicalliberal
I have no doubt that there is a part of the GOP that is tired of the TP, but they aren't a majority of the party. At best it's 50/50 and they can't control them. They couldn't control them when they were going on about birth certificates or during the debt ceiling debate or when they nominated a bunch of lunatics that cost the GOP the Senate. I keep hearing about these sane Republicans and I don't doubt their existence. What I do doubt is their power and numbers. If they have the power and the numbers to reign the TP in they better get to it because Perry is at 30% and when the other clowns start dropping out of the race their crazy voters will go to him, not Romney.
most voters don't try to control anybody...they sit on their ass until election day, then vote...there is no mechanism to discount the national, face time loonies....all of that is yet to be decided
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:02:53pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
The money and foreign policy oriented parts of the GOP have never been hot on the Tea Party. They loved how it picked the GOP off the floor after its 2008 drubbing, but they want it as a path back to power. But if partnering with the Tea Party looks likely to lead to financial or foreign policy disaster, then those non-socon parts of the party will rebel. As part of the foreign policy element, I'll be one of the rebels.
My eye has been on the Breitbart/O'Keefe/Big ________ crowd, the people who are sick of harping on abortion and gays, but still retain every other bigotry and class resentment they were inculcated with. They're also not averse to using PC language to their dishonest ends, either, e.g. Shirley Sherrod "is racist" against them, etc.
That to me is the future of the GOP.
But if I'm going to be a rebel, my mother's family's North Carolina heritage means I'll have to learn to whistle 'Dixie' first. /in jest
Hm, not recommended. Didn't work out so well the last time. /
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:05:51pm |
re: #252 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't recall Rudy winning any of those states back in 2008 and surely he was more popular then. Sorry, his time has passed. He's a no-go.
I could see Rudy campaigning for someone if he wanted a cabinet position. But I honestly don't know if he would be interested in a gig like that.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:05:57pm |
re: #242 freetoken
Or, just deep-fry 'em and call them "poppers" or "crunchies" or anything...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:06:29pm |
re: #256 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
a lot of the smaller folk devil issues change, but racism is constant :P
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:11:09pm |
Jerry Coyne is alerting everybody to a free download at Amazon (for Kindle owners) of an evolution textbook:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Don't know about the book myself and as I don't have a Kindle probably never will read the book, but for those of you with a Kindle it might be worth the effort.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:11:20pm |
re: #252 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't recall Rudy winning any of those states back in 2008 and surely he was more popular then. Sorry, his time has passed. He's a no-go.
Rudy himself was quoted saying he couldn't get the nomination.
Asked why it would be so hard for him to become the nominee, Giuliani sketched a picture of a nominating process designed to keep Republicans like him -- pro-choice, pro-gay rights (sort of) and (at one time) pro-gun control -- from ever getting to the White House, despite the fact their views may be more in line with the general electorate than their more socially conservative opponents.
"I'm simply not that conservative on social issues," he said. "And I'm not willing to change just to become President."
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:11:59pm |
re: #199 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm not sure. If he skips the debate he will look like he's chicken. The wildfires are serious, but they have been going on for quite a while now and so far all he's done about it is ask people to pray and fast for rain. If he isn't there he's got no excuse and will confirm my suspicion that debating scares him. He knows as the new candidate and front runner he will be the target and there is a lot to hit him with.
Technically he did "more" than pray: he quartered the budget for volunteer fire departments.
He's going to be a strong candidate for awhile. He's hitting the correct chords with fundamentalists and industrialists which is going to sustain him through the primaries barring a major crap-up. All of his anti-regulation stuff is going to throw a lot of business interests behind him--look at the super-PAC money dump that's already starting. Looking forward, the "Texas Miracle" is a marketable, bite-sized bit of mythology, and will likely be a big selling point for the consultants and wonks constructing his public image for a national electoral base: refuting it requires detailed analysis that doesn't "sell" as smoothly.
I suspect the other campaign tone we're going to see was set by that set of comparison photos distributed by some racist gasbag that I don't recall: Obama in seventies clothes looking hip versus Perry in his Air Force uniform.
re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you take bugs, soak them in beef or chicken broth or cure it, give it a fancy name and add it to hot dogs or bologna, no one will know.
That's what the dude was talking about. Animal protein is the industry euphemism already in place.
I am dying to try chapulines.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:12:43pm |
re: #259 WindUpBird
a lot of the smaller folk devil issues change, but racism is constant :P
It's the default cultural resentment. Like clockwork, we can count on it.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:13:03pm |
re: #262 The Ghost of a Flea
Perry has history:
[Link: www.scoop.co.nz...]
I suspect that every political operative has a file on him.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:16:50pm |
Speaking of Perry, here is someone's letter to the editor, who is proud that Perry is with the majority of Americans on creationism, and berating the newspaper for not differentiating between OEC and YEC:
Perry column ignored debate about the age of the Earth
Ironically, the writer's last name is "Erickson", though I don't know if he is related to RedState Son of Erick.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:18:30pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:20:02pm |
re: #265 freetoken
Did you ever get a response to the comment you left the other morning on a link you posted here?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:20:07pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:21:16pm |
re: #37 wrenchwench
My cursor was irresistibly drawn to Ron Paul.
Sorry.
Me too. Cranky Uncle Paul needs some love.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:22:39pm |
re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did you ever get a response to the comment you left the other morning on a link you posted here?
which comment, which link?
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:23:00pm |
re: #273 celticdragon
Me too. Cranky Uncle Paul needs some love.
Me three. Just couldn't resist.
(Plus, I really want to fuck Ron Paul.)
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Donna Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:24:10pm |
Mmmm, they're all pretty scary to me! All of these yahoos make me shudder. I definitely am making the jump to independent, me no like the nuts hanging from the GOP tree!
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CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:25:04pm |
Sheriff identifies suspect in Nevada IHOP shooting[...] Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong says the man was 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City. He says Sencion worked at a family business in South Lake Tahoe.
Furlong says Sencion arrived at the IHOP Tuesday morning in a minivan registered to his brother. He had a rifle and began shooting in and around the restaurant. [...]
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:25:30pm |
"Who's nuttier? The wingnut or the wingnut that follows him?"
- Obama wan Kenobi
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:26:09pm |
re: #274 freetoken
which comment, which link?
I wanna say it was a creationist article somewhere. You took the author to task. Either yesterday morning or Sunday morning. Early, my time.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:26:28pm |
re: #241 Killgore Trout
Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.
Many years ago I went bow hunting with my uncle and his friends in Oregon. One morning we're out and his friend sets up, getting ready to take a buck. He pulls back, holds, aims carefully, and then the string broke ... the bow just destroyed itself, all that energy just released in a blur of chaos, shit flew every which way. It was spectacular.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:27:59pm |
re: #278 dragonfire1981
"Who's nuttier? The wingnut or the wingnut that follows him?"
- Obama wan Kenobi
That's tough since the wingnut gets nuttier due to what he feels the wingnuts around him may want. Take a guy like Romney. He'll try to outwingnut his opponents so he can look good in the eyes of the wingnuts.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:28:11pm |
re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar
There are 176 comments on that thread (about Erick Erickson) - I'm not sure about which question you are asking.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:29:36pm |
So a pal of mine gives me this book-
Kafka
The Complete Stories
I never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:04pm |
We're taking the fast track to the third world.
THE INNOVATION TRAP: HOW THE IPHONE ISN’T SAVING AMERICA
The US economy faces a number of challenges—among them a lack of job creation and an ever-growing trade deficit. Many policy-makers believe that encouraging business innovation is the best response to these particular challenges. Sounds plausible but experience suggests otherwise.
The best example of why simply encouraging business innovation is not the answer for our employment and trade problems is Apple and its iPhone.
The iPhone was introduced in 2007 and has been incredible successful. U.S. sales soared from 3 million units in 2007 to over 11 million in 2009. Global sales topped 25 million in 2009.
While the iPhone is designed and marketed by Apple, almost all the phone’s components are produced by foreign companies operating outside the United States. These components are then shipped to China where Foxconn, a Taiwanese company, oversees their assembly and their export to the United States and other countries. As a result, the iPhone generates few jobs in the United States.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:35pm |
re: #284 JasonA
Naso Tang put up a Page about that article. Generated some comments.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:47pm |
re: #282 freetoken
There are 176 comments on that thread (about Erick Erickson) - I'm not sure about which question you are asking.
Found it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:49pm |
I just looked at Breitbart's site. He and Fox really seem to think they have a winner with this Hoffa non-story. Every other story on the page I saw had someone trying to get a Democrat to denounce Hoffa.
I'll bet if they knew that all they had to do was a bad tape edit to rile up the wingnuts, they would have started doing it years ago.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:31:31pm |
re: #283 Rightwingconspirator
So a pal of mine gives me this book-
Kafka
The Complete StoriesI never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.
The Trial and Metamorphosis are both really out there but he's interesting. I saw the part of Prague where he lived and wrote while I was there a few years ago. Not my favorite author but an interesting one and very influential too.
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Stinky Beaumont Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:32:00pm |
Psst ... the poll creation feature for LGF Pages is now live!
I'll have a post with some documentation on it later, but if you want to start fooling around it's ready to go. Just click the button at the top right that looks like a graph of poll results...
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:32:31pm |
re: #287 makeitstop
I just looked at Breitbart's site. He and Fox really seem to think they have a winner with this Hoffa non-story. Every other story on the page I saw had someone trying to get a Democrat to denounce Hoffa.
I'll bet if they knew that all they had to do was a bad tape edit to rile up the wingnuts, they would have started doing it years ago.
I can't believe the idiots think it's the real deal. The thing is obviously edited. You can tell by the way Hoffa's voice sounds in between the two phrases.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:33:41pm |
re: #284 JasonA
Yes, those CFL's are made there, and if you want to open a factory there you have to do your R&D there too. That way they can copy your stuff really efficiently.
BTW why is it Steve Jobs and his company gets a full pass on working conditions for all his oh so cool gadgets made for the cool kidz, but clothing makers get excoriated by the retailers who sell them and by the press?
It seems Apple has enough teflon to take the heat for any issue, including heavy handed security that includes the US Secret Service on call.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:33:50pm |
re: #284 JasonA
We're taking the fast track to the third world.
Meanwhile, when Solyndra, a domestic start-up whose innovative products were drawing a great deal of interest, closed its doors, what was the response?
"Haha! Obama's 'green jobs' gamble failed! You can't pick winners and losers, that's not how the market works!"
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:34:12pm |
re: #283 Rightwingconspirator
So a pal of mine gives me this book-
Kafka
The Complete StoriesI never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.
His most famous stuff is weird in that distinct way that becomes "Kafkaesque-ness," but he wrote a lot of material that I'd describe as descriptive prose poetry.
If you want trippy, start with In the Penal Colony.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:35:27pm |
re: #280 goddamnedfrank
Many years ago I went bow hunting with my uncle and his friends in Oregon. One morning we're out and his friend sets up, getting ready to take a buck. He pulls back, holds, aims carefully, and then the string broke ... the bow just destroyed itself, all that energy just released in a blur of chaos, shit flew every which way. It was spectacular.
I'm not a big fan of recreational bow hunting, I think it can be unnecessarily messy. However, I figure as a survival tool it should be just fine. Repairing a bow is probably a hell of a lot easier than repairing a gun, ammo can be reused or even home made.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:35:36pm |
re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar
I left a comment on Amanda Read's blog when I read her article. Several people wrote good comments for her, taking her to task for the shallowness of her statements.
She's a talented young writer (still in college) who, unfortunately, appears to look to Ann Coulter as a model of how to get into the punditry business.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:35:43pm |
re: #285 freetoken
Naso Tang put up a Page about that article. Generated some comments.
Ah. Right you are.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:37:01pm |
re: #291 Rightwingconspirator
Apple is magical.
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RemainCalm Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:37:11pm |
I voted “Perry” because the question was who had the best chance of winning the nomination. If the question was about winning the presidency, I suspect despite his warts and dandruff, Romney would have the best chance to win over the moderates, centrists and independents who decide national elections.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:38:17pm |
re: #289 Stinky Beaumont
Psst ... the poll creation feature for LGF Pages is now live!
I'll have a post with some documentation on it later, but if you want to start fooling around it's ready to go. Just click the button at the top right that looks like a graph of poll results...
I'm not seeing that.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:39:35pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:39:44pm |
re: #298 RemainCalm
I voted “Perry” because the question was who had the best chance of winning the nomination. If the question was about winning the presidency, I suspect despite his warts and dandruff, Romney would have the best chance to win over the moderates, centrists and independents who decide national elections.
Agreed, same reason I voted Perry. Though I have to argue that Perry, as a master bullshit artist, might have a chance if he can steer this election from being a choice between two sides and into being a referendum on Obama. Not a significant one as of yet, but one nonetheless.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:40:11pm |
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:41:14pm |
re: #287 makeitstop
I just looked at Breitbart's site. He and Fox really seem to think they have a winner with this Hoffa non-story. Every other story on the page I saw had someone trying to get a Democrat to denounce Hoffa.
I'll bet if they knew that all they had to do was a bad tape edit to rile up the wingnuts, they would have started doing it years ago.
Yeah, but Hoffa said scary words like "army" and "take them out (of office, durr)." Worst of all, he uttered (gasp!) profanity! THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT CROWD!!!1!111 Granted, Dick "Draft-dodging Badass" Cheney once told a Democratic senator, in open session, to go fuck himself, but that's different. The godless liberal probably needed a good telling-off.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:41:27pm |
re: #302 Charles
The button is in the LGF Pages posting form...
Right. Like this one?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:43:30pm |
re: #303 Atlas Fails
Yeah, but Hoffa said scary words like "army" and "take them out (of office, durr)." Worst of all, he uttered (gasp!) profanity! THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT CROWD!!!1!111 Granted, Dick "Draft-dodging Badass" Cheney once told a Democratic senator, in open session, to go fuck himself, but that's different. The godless liberal probably needed a good telling-off.
Do you remember the fauxrage when Biden called the health care plan being passed a "big fucking deal?" It was absurd. First because people were acting like oh my god he used profanity and secondly because whether you agreed with Biden and Obama on health care not getting that passed was a big fucking deal as it's been the dream of Democratic presidents and congresses since FDR to get something like that passed by Congress.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:43:39pm |
re: #284 JasonA
The way to increase prosperity it to increase productivity. The auto industry wiped out the buggy whip industry. It also eliminated the waste deep horse shit problem in our cities. If we could do the same with bull shit, we would be way ahead of the game.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:45:48pm |
OK. My first poll.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles. Maybe we can add a "poll" category for the drop down menu?
Also, was thinking we also need an "education" category.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:46:52pm |
I have a question about the new poll/LGF feature but will reserve it for the roll out thread.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:48:59pm |
re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, no I don't.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:49:44pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:49:46pm |
re: #290 HappyWarrior
I can't believe the idiots think it's the real deal. The thing is obviously edited. You can tell by the way Hoffa's voice sounds in between the two phrases.
That's not even slowing them down, they're all-in on this one. Carney won't denounce. Wassermann-Schultz won't denounce. Yadda, yadda, yadda....
Even Breitbart and Loesch, after their Media Matters document fail this morning, are calling themselves 'sons-of-bitches.'
How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:51:13pm |
re: #314 makeitstop
How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.
Unbridled careerism + low standards.
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:52:23pm |
re: #314 makeitstop
How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.
You answered your own question.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:52:43pm |
re: #315 jaunte
Unbridled careerism + low standards.
I'd say a desire for entertainment in media over substance but yeah that works. Breitbart whining about anything is laughable to me. The guy's made his schting editing videos to make others look bad for political reasons and costing them their jobs if necessary. He's what I call a professional asshole.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:52:55pm |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
I'm not a big fan of recreational bow hunting, I think it can be unnecessarily messy. However, I figure as a survival tool it should be just fine. Repairing a bow is probably a hell of a lot easier than repairing a gun, ammo can be reused or even home made.
You might be able to make quality arrows with your skills, but it doesn't look easy. Carbon is better than aluminum because either it's cracked or it's good to go. Aluminum can take a set. Going through the bones of large game will break and bend arrows, as will missing, hitting trees, rocks, etc.
For a survival tool I'm a much bigger fan of takedown .22 lr rifles. The Marlin 39A is ideal (pre 1988 models shoot better because they have no rebounding hammer.) The Browning SA-22 is nice. The cheapest, best option is probably the Marlin Model 70 PSS, a quick takedown stainless rifle that's very light and accurate. I think these are more appropriate for survival because without refrigeration you're more likely to be going after small game, and subsonic .22 is very quite coming out the longer barrels. Also you can carry many times more .22 cartridges for the same weight and volume. The reason for takedown models is that they're easier to pack, conceal, and clean.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:53:17pm |
re: #314 makeitstop
That's not even slowing them down, they're all-in on this one. Carney won't denounce. Wassermann-Schultz won't denounce. Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Even Breitbart and Loesch, after their Media Matters document fail this morning, are calling themselves 'sons-of-bitches.'
How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.
the Fox Master Plan is to induce a heart attack for you
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:55:37pm |
re: #319 albusteve
the Fox Master Plan is to induce a heart attack for you
And here I thought it was to scare old people into buying gold...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:55:44pm |
re: #318 goddamnedfrank
I (you can tell by the nic) know very little about hunting. This question is devoid of sarcasm and holier-than-thou-sm. I promise.
I understand that bow hunting gives the critters a better chance; but isn't it more painful for the animal than a gun?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:55:55pm |
Mitt unveils his fiscal fantasy....
Romney unveils his jobs plan with a dig at Obama
He promised to bring the corporate tax rate down from the current level of 35% to 25%, in line with much of the rest of the world, saying, "I will do that on day one." He also pledged to immediately halt any regulations and policies implemented by President Barack Obama that stall job growth, and to cut government spending -- except for the military and entitlement programs -- by 5%.
Well there's a problem
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Countries with lower corporate taxes offset them with higher personal income taxes. The only thing Mitt's plan will accomplish is increasing the deficit.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:56:04pm |
re: #305 Gus 802
Got it!
Duh-e! :)
Okay I must be slow today.
How does this format? Are the options the possible answers or the question?
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:56:47pm |
re: #319 albusteve
the Fox Master Plan is to induce a heart attack for you
They piss me off, but I been through worse. I got served a $3 million SLAPP suit by Michael Savage and I survived that.
They'll have to send Hannity to my house with a syringe full of meth if they want to get me like that. :)
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:58:17pm |
re: #323 Rightwingconspirator
Okay I must be slow today.
How does this format? Are the options the possible answers or the question?
Just put the main question in the first field. Options are the answers. You can add or remove options while creating it. Once you finish click save.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:59:16pm |
re: #320 Atlas Fails
And here I thought it was to scare old people into buying gold...
well that old joke backfired, didn't it?
do you invest in anything?
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:59:19pm |
Wow, the right wing froth machine is pushing this "Hoffa incited violence!" meme HARD. I haven't seen such a blatant attempt to manufacture outrage since the "lipstick on a pig" incident 3 years ago.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:00:19pm |
Hey everyone, does this gaping hole make my ass look big? (I hate working with dishonest people...especially when they're in positions of power.)
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:00:30pm |
re: #327 bratwurst
Wow, the right wing froth machine is pushing this "Hoffa incited violence!" meme HARD. I haven't seen such a blatant attempt to manufacture outrage since the "lipstick on a pig" incident 3 years ago.
I wonder how it's playing out in the wild. I can't see it getting traction, TBH.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:00:49pm |
re: #303 Atlas Fails
Yeah, but Hoffa said scary words like "army" and "take them out (of office, durr)." Worst of all, he uttered (gasp!) profanity! THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT CROWD!!!1!111 Granted, Dick "Draft-dodging Badass" Cheney once told a Democratic senator, in open session, to go fuck himself, but that's different. The godless liberal probably needed a good telling-off.
Double standard is feature, not bug. The enforced values/actual conduct thing crosses into truly Soviet territory. By I mean "...this seems strangely reminiscent of the structural underpinnings the Solzhenitsyn laid out in the Gulag Archipelago, Vol 1."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:01:44pm |
re: #328 darthstar
Hey everyone, does this gaping hole make my ass look big? (I hate working with dishonest people...especially when they're in positions of power.)
I would say to try to take them down, but I'm an asshole like that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:02:07pm |
Ohh you are indeed in for a treat. There is nooooobody like Kafka. Nobody.
re: #283 Rightwingconspirator
So a pal of mine gives me this book-
Kafka
The Complete StoriesI never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:02:37pm |
re: #331 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would say to try to take them down, but I'm an asshole like that.
Already thinking about that. Unfortunately, the person I need to talk to is out for another week, so I'm going to delay and defer for a few days and then plead my case...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:04:34pm |
Apparently, he learned nothing in detention.
Won't you...forget about me...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:05:14pm |
re: #333 darthstar
Already thinking about that. Unfortunately, the person I need to talk to is out for another week, so I'm going to delay and defer for a few days and then plead my case...
Is the dishonesty documented (doubt it) or word to mouth crap?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:05:53pm |
re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I (you can tell by the nic) know very little about hunting. This question is devoid of sarcasm and holier-than-thou-sm. I promise.
I understand that bow hunting gives the critters a better chance; but isn't it more painful for the animal than a gun?
I personally am not quite accurate enough with a bow to consider it an ethical way for me to take game. I know people who are though. I could practice up to that level but right now it's not something I do often enough to get really good at. I don't think it's inherently more painful though, both methods are capable of penetrating both lungs and putting an animal down swiftly and both methods can merely wound an animal. Shot placement and staying within one's personal range is key.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:06:22pm |
re: #326 albusteve
well that old joke backfired, didn't it?
do you invest in anything?
I'm not saying gold is never a worthy investment. I am saying operations like Cash4Gold are total scams. Think about it: if the wingnuts are right and we're facing a coming apocalypse that will render all U.S. currency worthless, why are the fine organizations pushed by Glenn Beck and WND willing to accept such soon-to-be-worthless paper in exchange for one of the only forms of currency that will be viable in the near future?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:09:02pm |
The preview feature now shows your poll as it will look when posted.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:09:07pm |
re: #337 Atlas Fails
I'm not saying gold is never a worthy investment. I am saying operations like Cash4Gold are total scams. Think about it: if the wingnuts are right and we're facing a coming apocalypse that will render all U.S. currency worthless, why are the fine organizations pushed by Glenn Beck and WND willing to accept such soon-to-be-worthless paper in exchange for one of the only forms of currency that will be viable in the near future?
I know nothing about any apocalypse or Glenn Beck....I just buy and sell stuff and don't intellectualize it
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:09:22pm |
re: #325 Gus 802
Thanksre: #325 Gus 802
Just put the main question in the first field. Options are the answers. You can add or remove options while creating it. Once you finish click save.
Hm. Clicked save and the poll button stayed red, and I got no poll in the Page. Must be doing something wrong. Question-"My political affiliation is-
Options
Republican
Dem
Indy
Other
Then I clicked save poll and got nothing.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:10:57pm |
re: #340 Rightwingconspirator
Thanksre: #325 Gus 802
Hm. Clicked save and the poll button stayed red, and I got no poll in the Page. Must be doing something wrong. Question-"My political affiliation is-
Options
Republican
Dem
Indy
OtherThen I clicked save poll and got nothing.
In the poll form, the save button just says you're done editing and want to keep your changes. The poll isn't actually created until you post the Page.
Use the preview button to see what it will look like.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:11:20pm |
re: #339 albusteve
I know nothing about any apocalypse or Glenn Beck...I just buy and sell stuff and don't intellectualize it
Congratulations, you invest like a sane person.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:14:52pm |
Couldn't some gigantic fucking fans blow all this rain back toward Texas? Gosh, it's terrible.
Texas and Oklahoma Lizards?
Don't be a dumb-ass. Get out, and get safe.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:17:21pm |
re: #343 Gus 802
Kaboink...
102.2 °F
Ouch. We're having a string of days around 90 but this week is going to be all of our summer weather.
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EdDantes Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:17:54pm |
re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My parents got out of Oklahoma in '39 because of drought
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:20:09pm |
Meanwhile, in Texas....
Texas plans to cut budget of agency battling fires
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Max Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:20:37pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.
Also, his state is burning. Shouldn't he be focused on that?
I'm not sure if Rick Perry is still in Texas today, but he cancelled his planned appearance at Jim DeMint's forum yesterday.
In response to the fires Texas Gov. Rick Perry cancelled his planned appearance at a Labor Day forum in Columbia, S.C., today as well as events in California tomorrow to return to Texas, a spokeswoman for Perry told ABC News.
"Our state has got wildfires that are running quite wild at zero containment right now and the winds are supposed to pick up again," Perry said.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:21:44pm |
re: #341 Charles
In the poll form, the save button just says you're done editing and want to keep your changes. The poll isn't actually created until you post the Page.
Use the preview button to see what it will look like.
Hah, cool, got it and thanks very, very much.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:21:56pm |
re: #345 Killgore Trout
Ouch. We're having a string of days around 90 but this week is going to be all of our summer weather.
Gets old really fast. The strange part? It was 49 here this morning. Wunderground noted a high of 103. That's a 54 degree difference.
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thecommodore Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:22:21pm |
I want Perry to get it because I think unless there's a catastrophe, Obama should beat him decisively, even with high unemployment.
Romney, I'm not so sure about.
What surprises me is that Ron Paul has only 29 votes (as of this posting). Has the Paulian ballot box stuffing been foiled? lol
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:24:14pm |
Okay folks remember it is an anonymous poll...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Okay now I'm Poll Pimping LOL
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:25:41pm |
re: #351 thecommodore
What surprises me is that Ron Paul has only 29 votes (as of this posting). Has the Paulian ballot box stuffing been foiled? lol
I've been noticing a trend lately. Paulians have always been very proficient spammers of social networking sites, Digg, Reddit, etc. Only recently has there been a noticeable push back from the young people who frequent these sites. Mostly over issues like abortion, civil rights, social services. I think younger people have started to wake up to what Ron Paul is all about.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:26:24pm |
re: #352 Rightwingconspirator
Okay folks remember it is an anonymous poll...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]Okay now I'm Poll Pimping LOL
Indies are off to an early lead.
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mikefromArlington Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:27:43pm |
Unless a "blackey" tape surfaces, Perry is gonna win.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:28:28pm |
re: #354 Killgore Trout
Indies are off to an early lead.
Not surprising. I see most here as center/left or center/right although we have people further entrenched on both sides.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:29:38pm |
re: #353 Killgore Trout
I've been noticing a trend lately. Paulians have always been very proficient spammers of social networking sites, Digg, Reddit, etc. Only recently has there been a noticeable push back from the young people who frequent these sites. Mostly over issues like abortion, civil rights, social services. I think younger people have started to wake up to what Ron Paul is all about.
I am glad. Seriously, too many people my age think Ron Paul is great or ok even among my more to the left friends. I mean shit I don't disagree with the guy on everything but he would be a horrible president.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:30:40pm |
re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not surprising. I see most here as center/left or center/right although we have people further entrenched on both sides.
It's kind of easy to forget that center-right still exists.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:01pm |
re: #358 HappyWarrior
I am glad. Seriously, too many people my age think Ron Paul is great or ok even among my more to the left friends. I mean shit I don't disagree with the guy on everything but he would be a horrible president.
All he thinks the fed should regulate is vaginas.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:20pm |
re: #359 Gus 802
I see that was already mentioned.
Holy crap, he went after uniformed military? Lone wolf copycat?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:29pm |
re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not surprising. I see most here as center/left or center/right although we have people further entrenched on both sides.
Sounds about right.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:36pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:32:25pm |
re: #360 Killgore Trout
It's kind of easy to forget that center-right still exists.
The best place to find center-right is the White House...
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:32:51pm |
re: #361 JasonA
All he thinks the fed should regulate is vaginas.
Yeah, doesn't he sponsor the human life amendment at the start of every term? Got a lot of bones to pick with the guy honestly. Even if he didn't write the famous Lew Rockwell editorials, he had no problem with them being published in his newspaper and in his name.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:33:01pm |
re: #352 Rightwingconspirator
Okay folks remember it is an anonymous poll...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]Okay now I'm Poll Pimping LOL
i refuse to answer any poll about affiliations that doesn't include albigensians
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:33:21pm |
re: #360 Killgore Trout
It's kind of easy to forget that center-right still exists.
I'll just say this:
While all TPers might be Republican, not all Republicans are TPers.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:33:34pm |
re: #366 Gus 802
The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:34:23pm |
re: #368 engineer dog
i refuse to answer any poll about affiliations that doesn't include albigensians
Poll is borked. We're all Socialists anyway...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:34:53pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.
I think the National Guard guys were just victims of wrong place/wrong time.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:35:36pm |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think the National Guard guys were just victims of wrong place/wrong time.
Yep.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:37:25pm |
I saw a piece in the NYT just now that said the Senate just confirmed a new judge to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals that is the first black woman ever to sit on that court. The vote was 94 - 2. The two? DeMint and Vitter.
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Gus Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:37:29pm |
From:
Gunman dead after killing 3, wounding 8 at Nevada restaurant
The suspect, who police say acted alone, also shot himself and later died at a hospital. He was identified as 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City, Sheriff Kenny Furlong said.
The motive for the shootings remains unclear.
Sencion worked at a family business in nearby South Lake Tahoe, Calif., and had no known affiliations with anyone at the restaurant, Furlong said.
Sencion's family had raised concerns about his mental health in interviews with investigators, Furlong said. He did not elaborate.
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allegro Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:37:52pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.
So it WAS the pancakes?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:38:57pm |
Ooh I can. All those seething bigots eager to wallow in bogus victimhood? They've been doing it since the civil war and aren't intent on stoppping any time soon/Schadenfreude
re: #329 makeitstop
I wonder how it's playing out in the wild. I can't see it getting traction, TBH.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:48:55pm |
re: #377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ooh I can. All those seething bigots eager to wallow in bogus victimhood? They've been doing it since the civil war and aren't intent on stoppping any time soon/Schadenfreude
Doesn't much matter--that hymn plays only to the choir. It's not like the wingnuts on those sites are teetering on the edge of an Obama conversion.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:58:58pm |
re: #374 garhighway
I saw a piece in the NYT just now that said the Senate just confirmed a new judge to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals that is the first black woman ever to sit on that court. The vote was 94 - 2. The two? DeMint and Vitter.
So predictable.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:10:46pm |
re: #374 garhighway
I saw a piece in the NYT just now that said the Senate just confirmed a new judge to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals that is the first black woman ever to sit on that court. The vote was 94 - 2. The two? DeMint and Vitter.
A little pampering would have helped her case.
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:17:15pm |
Just posted an article on News Corp selling London site. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:48:20pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:49:19pm |
re: #113 ggt
The whole "didn't come from Monkey's" meme is such bullshit. It shoes a total lack of understanding of genetic science.
And Frankly, Who gives a f-ck. If there is a monkey in my 50 billion gazillion old family tree, I don't care.
I feel OK about being a primate.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:54:33pm |
re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist
I feel OK about being a primate.
Same here. I just wish we had retained our ability to swing.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:55:24pm |
re: #384 b_sharp
Same here. I just wish we had retained our ability to swing.
It don't mean a thing if you don't got it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:56:10pm |
re: #206 wozzablog
Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.
Giuliani never had a hope in hell, and still does not have a hope in hell.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:58:19pm |
re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist
Giuliani never had a hope in hell, and still does not have a hope in hell.
Oh, don't get me wrong, he has the same chance with the GOP as a snow ball does in hell.........but, he was in last time and did piss poorly. If he gets in this time he'll have to raise his game to even be considered for chief dog catcher.
I can't even remember who brought Rudy up first..........
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:05:58pm |
re: #366 Gus 802
Two more guns in his van, but he didn't get to them.
Guy's name was Eduardo Sencion. Local guy. So, probably not a jihadi, and no, they checked, here legally, on a U.S. passport.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:07:13pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.
Starting to sound very random.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:12:02pm |
re: #378 Decatur Deb
Doesn't much matter--that hymn plays only to the choir. It's not like the wingnuts on those sites are teetering on the edge of an Obama conversion.
Yeah, except they are mainstream conservative sites. Personally, I don't want them converting to anything but what they already are. Let them stay butthurt in perpetuity for all I care.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:13:42pm |
re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist
I feel OK about being a primate.
I do too.
As long as it's a cute primate.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:14:20pm |
re: #391 reine.de.tout
I do too.
As long as it's a cute primate.
My prime mate is cute as all get out
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