LGF Poll: Which GOP Candidate Has the Best Chance?

The best of a bad lot?
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I’m posting this poll mainly to test the new poll-creating feature we’ll be rolling out soon for LGF Pages authors, but also because it might be an interesting question:

LGF Poll

At this point, which GOP candidate do you believe has the best chance to win the nomination?

Votes allowed: 1
Expires: never

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394 comments

1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:44:23pm

I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.

Also, his state is burning. Shouldn't he be focused on that?

2 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:44:34pm

Ron Paul pulls to the lead in 3, 2, 1...

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3 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:44:44pm

I went with Perry. He's got the ground game, TP cred, and appeals to the same crowd that is enamored with the likes of Bachmann or Palin.

His only real competition is Romney, and I think the GOP voters aren't going to support Romney particularly through the South and West.

Perry's biggest concern - himself. If he self-destructs, then Romney's chances improve dramatically. I think most everyone else is playing for a VP slot if that.

4 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:17pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

He's standing by to receive federal funds, and hoping no one notices.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:21pm

Okay, who voted Huntsman? Are you serious?

6 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:28pm

MB is crazier than all of them put together, so I voted for a lesser lunatic....Perry

7 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:50pm

I think Rick Perry, unfortunately.

8 elizajane  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:45:57pm

This is the ONLY time I will ever vote for Rick Perry.

I do think he has the best chance, and I don't think that it's a good thing for anybody, not even for Obama, who should really have a sane opponent. Standing on stage with a lunatic doesn't necessarily suddenly make you look strong. It can make you look like an idiot. It can make the whole process look ludicrous.

But unless the punditocracy takes him down (and do they really have the power to do that?), I think Perry is the GOP candidate.

9 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:06pm

re: #3 lawhawk

I went with Perry. He's got the ground game, TP cred, and appeals to the same crowd that is enamored with the likes of Bachmann or Palin.

His only real competition is Romney, and I think the GOP voters aren't going to support Romney particularly through the South and West.

Perry's biggest concern - himself. If he self-destructs, then Romney's chances improve dramatically. I think most everyone else is playing for a VP slot if that.

Meh, I think if Perry self destructs than Michele Bachmann can still take Mitt.

10 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:18pm

re: #4 jaunte

And hoping that no one reads his book and notices that what he says is nearly as crazy as Bachmann.

11 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:46pm

re: #7 reine.de.tout

I think Rick Perry, unfortunately.

I don't think Perry is going to make it. I put my money on the establishment candidate Mitt.

12 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:48pm

You're gonna like this poll-creation feature -- it's really easy to use.

13 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:46:49pm

re: #10 lawhawk

"Oh, that old thing..."

14 garhighway  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:47:26pm

No Sarah?

I wants me some Sarah!

15 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:47:32pm

re: #9 jamesfirecat

Bachmann wont be able to stand the heat of a concerted campaign and her campaign staff is already having issues (her top consultant is stepping down and the deputy is leaving - and they already consider her the third choice behind Mitt and Perry).

16 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:47:57pm

re: #12 Charles

Any limitations on the number of choices in the poll?

17 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:48:16pm

re: #10 lawhawk

And hoping that no one reads his book and notices that what he says is nearly as crazy as Bachmann.

I'm pretty sure the Obama Campaign has noticed; and if Perry is the nominee, they'll make sure everyone else does as well.

18 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:48:22pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I don't think Perry is going to make it. I put my money on the establishment candidate Mitt.

He already has a 55 million dollar war chest. I think Perry will make it.

19 garhighway  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:48:56pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Any limitations on the number of choices in the poll?

Vote once and look for the silver lining. Vote twice and look for the police.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:03pm

I want Romney, but say Perry--with a vague hope that some sane governor will suddenly pop out of the woodwork and take everything closer to the date.

21 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:13pm

I'm not at all convinced that Perry will make it that far. Right now he's the latest shiny thing, like Fred Thompson in 2008. I strongly suspect that he will flash and burn in the near future. I also think that Republican PTB are going to see to it that the less insane Romney gets the nod.

22 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:19pm

I put down Perry, but my vote in this poll is not an endorsement.

If there was a 'none of the above' option I'd have been all over it. :)

23 Artist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:27pm

What, no Generic Republican?

24 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:37pm

re: #3 lawhawk

I went with Perry. He's got the ground game, TP cred, and appeals to the same crowd that is enamored with the likes of Bachmann or Palin.

His only real competition is Romney, and I think the GOP voters aren't going to support Romney particularly through the South and West.

Perry's biggest concern - himself. If he self-destructs, then Romney's chances improve dramatically. I think most everyone else is playing for a VP slot if that.

I had to pick Perry as well. I'd much rather have Romney but the question wasn't who I'd rather have.

25 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:49:59pm

Pro-Perry super PAC's $55 million budget

So that's partial. He has more than 55 million.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:09pm

I went with the popular pick, Perry. He's charismatic, seen as successful, and he's good at throwing the base bones. Romney is probably the most likely to beat Obama but that doesn't mean he's the most likely nominee. Two different things IMO.

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:20pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Any limitations on the number of choices in the poll?

I don't want them to get absurdly long - I'm thinking of 10 as a limit.

28 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:27pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I don't think Perry is going to make it. I put my money on the establishment candidate Mitt.

From your keyboard to God's eyes, Killgore.

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:50:32pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Bachmann wont be able to stand the heat of a concerted campaign and her campaign staff is already having issues (her top consultant is stepping down and the deputy is leaving - and they already consider her the third choice behind Mitt and Perry).

She can't possibly do it, no. One key part of being able to run successfully for president is the ability to say things like 'Ah, shucks, you think I'm a Nazi? Well, heckfire, I ain't," without losing your cool. Bachmann freaks when criticized.

30 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:13pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

She can't possibly do it, no. One key part of being able to run successfully for president is the ability to say things like 'Ah, shucks, you think I'm a Nazi? Well, heckfire, I ain't," without losing your cool. Bachmann freaks when criticized.

Exactly. She has very little to offer that Perry does not have, while Rick Perry does have the campaign staff, funding, and executive experience she lacks.

31 garhighway  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:23pm

TPM headline:

"Giuliani: I’ll Only Run For President
If GOP Field Looks ‘Really Desperate’"

So I guess he's running.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:42pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. She has very little to offer that Perry does not have, while Rick Perry does have the campaign staff, funding, and executive experience she lacks.

And Perry doesn't have crazy eyes.

33 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:52:43pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I had to pick Perry as well. I'd much rather have Romney but the question wasn't who I'd rather have.

Just because I tend to use you as a measuring stick for sane Republicans, who would you vote for in November Dark, Perry or Obama?

34 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:53:26pm

I am amazed Bachmann has made it as far as she has. I mean really she has as much legislative accomplishments as I do in Congress. But she throws a lot of red meat and is one of the Tea Party's best buds in Congress so I guess that helps.

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:54:25pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.

Bingo. Perry/Bachmann 2012 - The Nightmare in America Tour!

36 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:54:49pm

re: #35 wlewisiii

Bingo. Perry/Bachmann 2012 - The Nightmare in America Tour!

Change we can puke in.

37 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:54:51pm

My cursor was irresistibly drawn to Ron Paul.

Sorry.

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:10pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

My cursor was irresistibly drawn to Ron Paul.

Sorry.

Somebody had to.

39 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:28pm

re: #18 Gus 802

He already has a 55 million dollar war chest. I think Perry will make it.

Maybe. At this point last time I thought for sure we'd see Hillary vs Rudy. What do I know?

40 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:40pm

Rick Perry, because conservative Republicans really ARE that stupid.

41 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:55:42pm

re: #35 wlewisiii

Do you think it could be Perry/Romney, or do you think Romney would refuse the vp slot?

42 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:01pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.

Also, his state is burning. Shouldn't he be focused on that?

He's going to ask God to take care of it.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:04pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Maybe. At this point last time I thought for sure we'd see Hillary vs Rudy. What do I know?

Perry still has the opportunity to spontaneously combust.

44 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:19pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

Just because I tend to use you as a measuring stick for sane Republicans, who would you vote for in November Dark, Perry or Obama?

I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.

45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:32pm

Hello lizards, long time :)

46 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:56:43pm
47 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:57:23pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I am amazed Bachmann has made it as far as she has. I mean really she has as much legislative accomplishments as I do in Congress. But she throws a lot of red meat and is one of the Tea Party's best buds in Congress so I guess that helps.

I think she also skated for a time on the trend Palin established, of the hot Republican babe who can kick those ol' liberals' bee-hinds. (I tend to type with a twang when discussing stereotypes in American politics for some reason.) The whole hot-mama-politician image was very effective, briefly.

Unfortunately, no one actually does Palin like Palin, and most attempts to copy her have failed. Bachmann gets closest, but her schtick was never as narrative-compatible, and she's less comfortable playing up the sexy.

48 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:57:52pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.

Okay, just curious because when Rick Perry /Republican Presidential Nominee X has lost your vote, it probably means all he has left is the base (and what a base base it seems to be these days)

49 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:57:58pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

And Perry doesn't have crazy eyes.

He also doesn't have female parts. Let's not think for a moment that this doesn't have an enormous impact on electability, especially on the right.

50 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:58:07pm

listening to Romney right now and want to scream.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:58:41pm

re: #41 jaunte

Do you think it could be Perry/Romney, or do you think Romney would refuse the vp slot?

Mittens would pull a Clinton and ask for Secretary of State.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:59:25pm

re: #51 wlewisiii

Mittens would pull a Clinton and ask for Secretary of State.

Better of use of him (and her) anyway.

53 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:59:31pm

Ron Paul is winning!

//

54 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:19pm

re: #53 Gus 802

Ron Paul is winning!

//

He would be, but the poll is obviously rigged against him.
/

55 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:21pm

Perry has the message that people want to believe:

cut taxes, abolish regulation, create jobs

it fits the soundbyte-friendly, bullet-point style of modern campaigning, sounds good in a 30-second spot with amber waves of grain in the sunset over majestic purple mountains (soaring eagle optional) and is what people want to hear, so they will not bother listening to assessments of all the flaws in the argument.

56 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:22pm

re: #53 Gus 802

Luap Nor math!

57 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:00:51pm

Honestly I am of the thought htat Romney is overrated a bit as a candidate. I know the GOP likes to nominate historically runners up (Bush, Dole, McCain) but Romney couldn't beat McCain and Huckabee last time both of whom had some serious problems with the base. I don't know. Mitt just doesn't impress me as a candidate. I mean no way I vote for him overall but there must be something I am not seeing. Mitt seems to be running on "I'm electable, vote for me." but is he really? It's my understanding from Massachusetts friends that he won in 2002 by a running as a moderate and b benefitting from a weak Dem candidate. Perry's a jerk, I think most of us here on LGF agree on that but the man I think can position himself as more electable than Romney by virtue of having won three state wide elections. Mitt only has one election win to his credit ever.

58 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:01:17pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He would be, but the poll is obviously rigged against him.
/

I demand to know why Charles is against Ron Paul!!11ty

//

59 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:02:16pm

re: #55 ralphieboy

Perry has the message that people want to believe:

cut taxes, abolish regulation, create jobs

it fits the soundbyte-friendly, bullet-point style of modern campaigning, sounds good in a 30-second spot with amber waves of grain in the sunset over majestic purple mountains (soaring eagle optional) and is what people want to hear, so they will not bother listening to assessments of all the flaws in the argument.

People outside of Texas don't know the guy. He will not wear well methinks. Right now he's Generic Republican to most, simply a rejection of the others who they do know and don't much like.

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:03:51pm

re: #58 Gus 802

I demand to know why Charles is against Ron Paul!!11ty

//

Charles is against auditing the Fed, obviously.

61 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:03:52pm

re: #58 Gus 802

I demand to know why Charles is against Ron Paul!!11ty

//

Because Charles is a Socialist, that's why!

/

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:28pm

I'm hoping that Pres Obama will have to tour the federal disaster area that is Texas, and get in some awesome a la Charlie Christ photo ops with Gov. Walking Dude.

63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:28pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.

Baloney. You've already said you could see yourself voting for him. No way you'd vote Obama if that's the case.

64 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:32pm

re: #31 garhighway

TPM headline:

"Giuliani: I’ll Only Run For President
If GOP Field Looks ‘Really Desperate’"

So I guess he's running.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

He's also doomed if he does, judging by his comments today.

Asked why it would be so hard for him to become the nominee, Giuliani sketched a picture of a nominating process designed to keep Republicans like him -- pro-choice, pro-gay rights (sort of) and (at one time) pro-gun control -- from ever getting to the White House, despite the fact their views may be more in line with the general electorate than their more socially conservative opponents.

"I'm simply not that conservative on social issues," he said. "And I'm not willing to change just to become President."

He's lost the nutjob vote before announcing.

65 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:05:59pm

re: #50 Dreggas

listening to Romney right now and want to scream.

Go for it, whoever you are.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:06:56pm

Hey all

Had lunch with a friend who votes Democratic on principle and she isn't happy with the prospects either. She said that she's tired of all the testosterone in Washington --of all flavors and colors.

How is everyone?

67 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:07pm

Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]

Texas miracle!

69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:42pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I think she also skated for a time on the trend Palin established, of the hot Republican babe who can kick those ol' liberals' bee-hinds. (I tend to type with a twang when discussing stereotypes in American politics for some reason. The whole hot-mama-politician image was very effective, briefly.

Unfortunately, no one actually does Palin like Palin, and most attempts to copy her have failed. Bachmann gets closest, but her schtick was never as narrative-compatible, and she's less comfortable playing up the sexy.

To me, she didn't even come close. At least Palin has a sense of humor and a personality. Bachmann? Zero.

70 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:46pm

I voted for Newt, just because anyone turned into a newt by some witch needs all the help he can get.

Maybe he'll get better. Maybe not.

71 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:07:48pm

re: #59 allegro

People outside of Texas don't know the guy. He will not wear well methinks. Right now he's Generic Republican to most, simply a rejection of the others who they do know and don't much like.

Once he can establish himself as the Chosen One, the GOP front runner and the Great White Hope (in more than the figurative sense) against Obama, the party will flock to him and present him cleaned up, spin-dried and dusted off, ready to embody the hopes of all those who wish to bring down the Obama administration.

72 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:08pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

I'm hoping that Pres Obama will have to tour the federal disaster area that is Texas, and get in some awesome a la Charlie Christ photo ops with Gov. Walking Dude.

I guarantee you Perry will find somewhere else he has to be before he'll appear in a photograph with the President.

73 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:30pm

re: #67 jaunte

Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]

Texas miracle!

And most of the created jobs were state and local government jobs, at minimum wage and/or part time.

74 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:32pm

re: #67 jaunte

Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]

Texas miracle!

Silence!

//

75 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:08:38pm

Am presently baking a cake. It went well last week, this weeks attempt seems a little drier in the dough.

Ho-hum.

Will be able to tell in an hour or so.

76 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:09:16pm

re: #63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Baloney. You've already said you could see yourself voting for him. No way you'd vote Obama if that's the case.

No, I asked Dark about Obama versus Perry and Dark doesn't know.

Dark has already said that he'd vote for Mitt over Obama.

77 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:09:24pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.

The election is over a year away.

Anything can happen between now and then.

I'm not speculating, just observing and being, generally, disgusted.

78 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:09:43pm

re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

To me, she didn't even come close. At least Palin has a sense of humor and a personality. Bachmann? Zero.

You betcha.

Um, I thought Palin suffers from bad humors.

79 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:10:00pm

re: #67 jaunte

Texas unemployment 8.4%
Massachusetts unemployment 7.6%
[Link: www.google.com...]

Texas miracle!

But but blue state economies, Texas miracle, blah blah. By the way for all the crap that gay marriage ruins the sanicity of marriage, Massachusetts has one of the nation's lowest divorce rates. Put that in your pipe and shove it, dickbags.

80 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:10:26pm

On topic -

Voted for Perry, just because on form i don't see him losing traction just yet and Romney is a never was has been.

81 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:03pm

re: #78 b_sharp

You betcha.

Um, I thought Palin suffers from bad humors.

Perhaps trepanation could help?

82 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:21pm

re: #75 wozzablog

Am presently baking a cake. It went well last week, this weeks attempt seems a little drier in the dough.

Ho-hum.

Will be able to tell in an hour or so.

Don't take it out in the rain.

Donna Summer reference.

83 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:32pm

The only certainty is the winnar will be god's favorite candidate.

84 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:43pm

re: #77 ggt

The election is over a year away.

Anything can happen between now and then.

I'm not speculating, just observing and being, generally, disgusted.

That may be, but I'm sure God made bananas the perfect shape just for man.

85 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:11:43pm

There is clearly some wishful thinking in this poll, since Huntsman is currently running third, and his support in the real polls is statistically insignificant.

86 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:13pm

Heck. Even West Virginia has a slightly lower unemployment rate than Texas. 8.1 vs. 8.6

What Texas miracle?

87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:38pm

re: #84 b_sharp

That may be, but I'm sure God made bananas the perfect shape just for man.

He did?

88 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:48pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

The only certainty is the winnar will be god's favorite candidate.

The GOP nominee will have magical powers to heal the land!

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:12:48pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

No, I asked Dark about Obama versus Perry and Dark doesn't know.

I'm just saying I don't believe it. It could be true, but if those are the two choices, I don't believe it.

90 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:13:03pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps trepanation could help?

But then everything will leak out.

91 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:13:25pm

re: #82 ggt

Don't take it out in the rain.

Donna Summer reference.

Will always be a Richard Harris man myself :p

92 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:13:33pm

re: #85 aagcobb

There is clearly some wishful thinking in this poll, since Huntsman is currently running third, and his support in the real polls is statistically insignificant.

John Hunstman, because you wanted to vote for a moderate mormon, but Mitt Romney seems to charismatic....

93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:14:02pm

re: #78 b_sharp

You betcha.

Um, I thought Palin suffers from bad humors.

You could be right. Let's just say, Palin is the more effective demagogue. She's really good at that. Sometimes she reminds me of Trotsky.

94 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:15:16pm

3 people REALLY think Rick Santorum has a chance?

95 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:15:28pm

re: #87 ggt

He did?

Well, some women like them too, but Ray and Kirk have said quite plainly, they didn't come from no monkeys and crocoducks hate bananas.

96 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:16:18pm

re: #94 bratwurst

3 people REALLY think Rick Santorum has a chance?

Newt got a vote? You can't explain that.

97 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:17:14pm

re: #94 bratwurst

3 people REALLY think Rick Santorum has a chance?

Or the 3 people for Herman Cain. /Schadenfreude

98 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:17:53pm

re: #93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You could be right. Let's just say, Palin is the more effective demagogue. She's really good at that.

POLLS ARE FOR STRIPPERS!!!

99 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:18:33pm

re: #93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You could be right. Let's just say, Palin is the more effective demagogue. She's really good at that. Sometimes she reminds me of Trotsky.

Da magog.

100 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:00pm

Hilarious:

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Romney is going to "sanction" China on Day 1

Right. Sanction China. That'll help. All we need now is a trade war with China.

101 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:22pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Newt got a vote? You can't explain that.

I can.
O'Really can't.

102 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:25pm
103 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:42pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

POLLS ARE FOR STRIPPERS!!!

Pictures please.

104 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:19:45pm

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Mitt Romney compares himself to Steve Jobs

105 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:20:42pm

Mitt Romney's been smoking pot again.

//

106 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:21:25pm

All done!

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
CNN gets bored with Romney speech and cuts away.

Poor Mittens.

107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:21:41pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

No, I asked Dark about Obama versus Perry and Dark doesn't know.

Dark has already said that he'd vote for Mitt over Obama.

Thank you, James.

108 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:21:49pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Hilarious:

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Romney is going to "sanction" China on Day 1

Right. Sanction China. That'll help. All we need now is a trade war with China.

Where will we get our shit?

109 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:22:12pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Hilarious:

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Romney is going to "sanction" China on Day 1

Right. Sanction China. That'll help. All we need now is a trade war with China.

One of those promises immediately forgotten after the election, like moving the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

110 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:23:58pm

Mitt Romney is a lot like Butters from South Park.

111 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:24:49pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, James.

There are many things I don't like about you Dark, some days I'm not even sure if I like you as a person, but you done nothing but be completely civil and deserve equally civil treatment in turn.

112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:25:27pm

re: #108 JasonA

Where will we get our shit?

I guess the other communist countries and f'ed up dictatorships where we've forced markets - Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand, Bangladesh, Latin American maquiladoras, etc.

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:25:29pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Well, some women like them too, but Ray and Kirk have said quite plainly, they didn't come from no monkeys and crocoducks hate bananas.

The whole "didn't come from Monkey's" meme is such bullshit. It shoes a total lack of understanding of genetic science.

And Frankly, Who gives a f-ck. If there is a monkey in my 50 billion gazillion old family tree, I don't care.

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:26:36pm

Guess who this is?

Mac Arther Park reference.

115 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:28:07pm

China... think rare Earths materials.

It's pretty funny seeing Romney say he'll sanction China and then minutes later compare himself to Steve Jobs. You know, what with Apple manufacturing being in China and all.

116 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:28:56pm

re: #113 ggt

The whole "didn't come from Monkey's" meme is such bullshit. It shoes a total lack of understanding of genetic science.

And Frankly, Who gives a f-ck. If there is a monkey in my 50 billion gazillion old family tree, I don't care.

The same people who claim they didn't come from monkeys instead claim they came from one guy, his rib, and their offspring who must have committed incest to have children of their own.

SCIENCE!

117 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:29:31pm

re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The same people who claim they didn't come from monkeys instead claim they came from one guy, his rib, and their offspring who must have committed incest to have children of their own.

SCIENCE!

SCILENCE!

118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:31:22pm

re: #115 Gus 802

China... think rare Earths materials.

It's pretty funny seeing Romney say he'll sanction China and then minutes later compare himself to Steve Jobs. You know, what with Apple manufacturing being in China and all.

They will say anything, because their constituents are stupid enough to believe anything they are told.

119 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:32:07pm

re: #12 Charles

You're gonna like this poll-creation feature -- it's really easy to use.

Great. I have been hoping for a feature like this. Put me in as a certain early adopter on this one.

120 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:32:55pm

re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They will say anything, because their constituents are stupid enough to believe anything they are told.

[Link: oai.dtic.mil...]

121 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:33:31pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.

Try listing Rick Perry's good qualities vs. bad qualities.

Good qualities - Hair. Executive experience.

Bad qualities - Perry is an abject theocrat. Texas' economic miracle is based entirely on government jobs. He is anti science and plans to gut the EPA. He's a secessionist. He threatened the Fed chairman. He's presided over the execution of an innocent man.

122 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:33:49pm

re: #120 Gus 802

[Link: oai.dtic.mil...]

Might as well post the abstract:

Abstract : China controls approximately 97 percent of the world's rare earth element market. These elements, which are not widely known because they are so low on the production chain, are critical to hundreds of high tech applications, many of which define our modern way of life. Without rare earth elements, much of the world's modern technology would be vastly different and many applications would not be possible. For one thing, we would not have the advantage of smaller sized technology, such as the cell phone and laptop computer, without the use of rare earth elements. Rare earth elements are also essential for the defense industry and are found in cruise missiles, precision guided munitions, radar systems and reactive armor. They are also key to the emergence of green technology such as the new generation of wind powered turbines and plug-in hybrid vehicles, as well as to oil refineries, where they act as a catalyst. (Note: for more in-depth information on the specific uses of rare earth elements, refer to Appendix A). Over the past few years, China has come under increasing scrutiny and criticism over its monopoly of the rare earth industry and for gradually reducing export quotas of these resources. However, China is faced with its own internal issues that, if not addressed, could soon stress the country's rare earth industry. This paper is designed to give the reader a better understanding of what rare earth elements are and their importance to society in general and to U.S. defense and energy policy in particular. It will also explore the history of rare earth elements and China's current monopoly of the industry, including possible repercussions and strategic implications if rare earth elements supply were to be disrupted.

123 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:33:54pm

re: #117 JasonA

SCILENCE!

124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:34:46pm

re: #120 Gus 802

[Link: oai.dtic.mil...]

Do you think that's yet another reason for Chinese companies' "scramble for Africa"?

Scramble for Africa 2.0.

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:34:56pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Might as well post the abstract:

So, it's really all about

MAGNETS!

after all?

126 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:36:42pm

It's going to be Perry, based on how things appear at the moment. I don't believe he can win the election though. With the exception of Romney none of the GOP candidates can win.

The TGOP has hoisted themselves on the horns of a dilemma. A candidate that can win the nomination cannot win the election and vice versa.

I'm hoping not too many people go off the deep end and fall back on 'Second Amendment remedies' when Obama wins the next one.

127 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:37:31pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Try listing Rick Perry's good qualities vs. bad qualities.

Good qualities - Hair. Executive experience.

Bad qualities - Perry is an abject theocrat. Texas' economic miracle is based entirely on government jobs. He is anti science and plans to gut the EPA. He's a secessionist. He threatened the Fed chairman. He's presided over the execution of an innocent man.

You forgot the part where he views social security as a Ponzi scheme....

128 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:38:11pm

re: #124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do you think that's yet another reason for Chinese companies' "scramble for Africa"?

Scramble for Africa 2.0.

Could be. China's everywhere though. Investing in Canadian shale oil. Now they're also investors in Texas shale oil in some locations. They've overtaken us in solar panel manufacturing and I think even wind turbine manufacturing.

129 garhighway  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:38:28pm

I would love to hear the thinking of the person who picked Newt.

130 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:38:34pm

But... there's no "too early to tell!"

131 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:39:27pm

Ron Paul is in the lead!

/

132 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:39:38pm

re: #127 jamesfirecat

You forgot the part where he views social security as a Ponzi scheme...

He gives companies hand outs of government funds with no oversight or accountability.

You also forgot to mention his magical powers.

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:40:24pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Bad qualities - Perry is an abject theocrat. Texas' economic miracle is based entirely on government jobs. He is anti science and plans to gut the EPA. He's a secessionist. He threatened the Fed chairman. He's presided over the execution of an innocent man.

Lol those vs Obama but he's uncertain. Right. It's a good thing I'm not in the market for a bridge, today.

134 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:40:52pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Bachmann wont be able to stand the heat of a concerted campaign and her campaign staff is already having issues (her top consultant is stepping down and the deputy is leaving - and they already consider her the third choice behind Mitt and Perry).

I don't think Perry can close the deal. Already he has campaign financing issues. The more Perry is vetted, the better Romney looks.

135 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:41:49pm

So let me guess. We sanction China for human rights abuses yet we're still best buds with Saudi Arabia?

136 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:41:57pm

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

It's going to be Perry, based on how things appear at the moment. I don't believe he can win the election though. With the exception of Romney none of the GOP candidates can win.

The TGOP has hoisted themselves on the horns of a dilemma. A candidate that can win the nomination cannot win the election and vice versa.

I'm hoping not too many people go off the deep end and fall back on 'Second Amendment remedies' when Obama wins the next one.

I think Rick Perry can win. It all depends on a combination of the economy (which the Republicans will continue to sabotage,) debate performance and the lack of any serious scandal affecting him. It's a dangerous mentality to think he can't win, with the right running mate he could be an incredibly formidable opponent.

137 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:44:07pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Could be. China's everywhere though. Investing in Canadian shale oil. Now they're also investors in Texas shale oil in some locations. They've overtaken us in solar panel manufacturing and I think even wind turbine manufacturing.

Heck, just repeal OSHA, child labor laws, and allow forced prison labor just like China does and we too can be manufacturing leaders!
///

138 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:44:57pm

re: #137 Rightwingconspirator

Heck, just repeal OSHA, child labor laws, and allow forced prison labor just like China does and we too can be manufacturing leaders!
///

Don't forget we'll also need public factory housing and socialized medicine. And bring back the draft. See. Then we can compete.

//

139 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:45:32pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

I think Rick Perry can win. It all depends on a combination of the economy (which the Republicans will continue to sabotage,) debate performance and the lack of any serious scandal affecting him. It's a dangerous mentality to think he can't win, with the right running mate he could be an incredibly formidable opponent.

I was just about to say - depending on who he's paired with, any of these whackodoodles, sure they'll have a chance of winning. It's the incumbent's race to lose.

140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:47:24pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Don't forget we'll also need public factory housing and socialized medicine. And bring back the draft. See. Then we can compete.

//

Eh, why bother with that. Just go back to states rights sharecropping economy, with migrant workers living in tents in every sector. And free wifi!

Seems like we could use a man like Herbert Hoover, again. /

141 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:47:55pm

re: #137 Rightwingconspirator

Heck, just repeal OSHA, child labor laws, and allow forced prison labor just like China does and we too can be manufacturing leaders!
///

Everyone will have jobs! You can work in the factories or you can be on the run from corporate enforcers who will drag you back and chain you to the assembly line.

/

142 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:48:54pm

re: #140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Eh, why bother with that. Just go back to states rights sharecropping economy, with migrant workers living in tents in every sector. And free wifi!

Seems like we could use a man like Herbert Hoover, again. /

The Confederates would want to go back even further if you know what I mean.

143 KingKenrod  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:50:30pm

re: #115 Gus 802

China... think rare Earths materials.

It's pretty funny seeing Romney say he'll sanction China and then minutes later compare himself to Steve Jobs. You know, what with Apple manufacturing being in China and all.

The Obama Administration is investigating China for the rare earth hoarding...unions are accusing China of restricting rare earth exports because China wants to force industries to re-locate to China to have access to the elements.

But it seems Romney's complaints are about currency manipulation and IP theft.

144 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:51:01pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You also forgot to mention his magical powers.

No, I mentioned the hair. It's a symbiotic organism that automatically casts charm undead once per round.

145 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:52:01pm

re: #142 Gus 802

The Confederates would want to go back even further if you know what I mean.

True, but they are fundamentally cowards. They'll only end up turning their guns on each other.

146 William of Orange  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:52:02pm

Is there no ninth candidate named Mr. None-of-the-above (R-Coo Koo land)?

147 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:52:58pm

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

It's going to be Perry, based on how things appear at the moment. I don't believe he can win the election though. With the exception of Romney none of the GOP candidates can win.

I hope that's true.

I remember reading that in last year's election, Christine O'Donnell won the "white vote."

If Christine if O'Donnell isn't considered stark raving mad enough to make people run away in fear, there's a lot of upside for a charismatic asshole like Perry.

148 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:54:33pm

re: #147 BongCrodny

I hope that's true.

I remember reading that in last year's election, Christine O'Donnell won the "white vote."

If Christine if O'Donnell isn't considered stark raving mad enough to make people run away in fear, there's a lot of upside for a charismatic asshole like Perry.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

149 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:55:41pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

No, I mentioned the hair. It's a symbiotic organism that automatically casts charm undead once per round.

Lou Engle says he can bring rain.

150 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:56:20pm
151 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:57:54pm
152 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:59:27pm

Perry is going to choke in large states (other than Texas). He is too radical and is stance on social security is silly.

153 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:00:35pm

Romney is the only one with enough gravitas to possibly beat Obama. I have said this for close to three years. By no means am I predicting he WILL beat Obama, but there is no way that Rick Perry can win in a general election against the President.

And now it looks like Luap Nor has Perry in his crosshairs ...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

That's a battle I wish both guys could lose.

154 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:01:39pm

re: #143 KingKenrod

The Obama Administration is investigating China for the rare earth hoarding...unions are accusing China of restricting rare earth exports because China wants to force industries to re-locate to China to have access to the elements.

But it seems Romney's complaints are about currency manipulation and IP theft.

I for one am glad that I live in a nation where our corporations never engage in corporate espionage nor one where our financial institutions manipulate markets. We should pat ourselves on the back... yet again.

//

155 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:02:17pm

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

Romney is the only one with enough gravitas to possibly beat Obama. I have said this for close to three years. By no means am I predicting he WILL beat Obama, but there is no way that Rick Perry can win in a general election against the President.

And now it looks like Luap Nor has Perry in his crosshairs ...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

That's a battle I wish both guys could lose.

Romney might have the best chance against Obama in a general election, but his real problem is he doesn't have much of a chance of getting his own party's nomination.

156 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:03:48pm

re: #111 jamesfirecat

There are many things I don't like about you Dark, some days I'm not even sure if I like you as a person, but you done nothing but be completely civil and deserve equally civil treatment in turn.

Thank you for the honesty, James.

157 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:03:59pm

Seems as though it was American financial institutions who engaged in predatory lending and subprime mortgage manipulation that almost led to the meltdown of the world financial markets.

Bad China! Bad!

Oops.

158 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:04:09pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney might have the best chance against Obama in a general election, but his real problem is he doesn't have much of a chance of getting his own party's nomination.

exactly right ...

159 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:08:47pm

re: #129 garhighway

I would love to hear the thinking of the person who picked Newt.

OK.

Here you go.

160 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:10:42pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the honesty, James.

I like you as a person, just sometimes I want to poke you with a stick.

161 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:11:02pm
162 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:11:40pm

Rick Perry will burn out like a moth before a flame before the primaries are over. There's too much freaky religious extremist in him.

I voted for LUAP NOR because everyone should always vote for LUAP NOR.

And it looks like Bachmann has a homosexual-at-her-husband's-clinic's chance of surviving this thing.

163 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:12:19pm

Heh.

EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
"tentative" is being quite kind; RT @benpolitico Perry still very tentative in some ways -- still no interviews w/reporters --

164 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:13:19pm
165 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:13:34pm

re: #163 jaunte

Heh.

The best way to avoid "Gotcha" questions is to avoid all questions.

166 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:14:04pm

re: #163 jaunte

Heh.

Rick Perry has the courage of Sarah Palin.

167 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:14:11pm

re: #164 darthstar

Spread-eagled hot chick

Now I need to take a shower.

168 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:14:51pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

No, I mentioned the hair. It's a symbiotic organism that automatically casts charm undead once per round.

It also has a special effect where LGF is concerned:

Any troll killed while supporting Rick Perry by the Ban Hammer of the Lizard King is automatically resurrected next turn by Perry's Goodhair as an Abysmal Ghoul Myrmidon that serves Perry.

LGF/D&D Crossover

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:15:01pm

re: #164 darthstar

Spread-eagled hot chick

Righteous.

170 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:16:50pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

It also has a special effect where LGF is concerned:

Any troll killed while supporting Rick Perry by the Ban Hammer of the Lizard King is automatically resurrected next turn by Perry's Goodhair as an Abysmal Ghoul Myrmidon that serves Perry.

LGF/D&D Crossover

Screw it, I put a portable hole in a bag of holding and wipe eveyone out.

171 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:17:04pm

Selectively edited "New Journalism" is spreading:

Like Fox News, Los Angeles Times Doctors Hoffa Speech

172 simoom  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:19:14pm

It's bizarre how many news orgs are screwing up the Hoffa quote today. Most aren't even abridging with ellipses in a misleading way, they're just outright reporting a quote that was never said. It makes it really hard not to conclude that a whole lot of journalists these days never even bother to watch firsthand what they're reporting on, and instead regurgitate whatever they saw from their morning Drudge read.

For example, here's ABC's Ann Compton's write up today:
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

“President Obama, this is your army,” Hoffa concluded to applause, his voice raising to a shout. “We are ready to march. Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” he said, stepping back from the lectern where President Obama would speak less than an hour later.

As we've seen elsewhere that bolded quoted sentence is actually an amalgam of the beginning and the end of an entire paragraph. It should be:

"We are ready to march. And, President Obama we want one thing – jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. That’s what we’re going to tell him. When he sees what we’re doing here he will be inspired. But he needs help. And, you know what. Everybody here’s gotta vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong."

Oh, and apparently the trivial truly is king as far as modern journalism is concerned. Doing a quick scan of Politico I count at least 7 Tuesday Hoffa speech stories across their site...

173 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:19:32pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Screw it, I put a portable hole in a bag of holding and wipe eveyone out.

Total Protonic Reversal...

174 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:20:25pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

It also has a special effect where LGF is concerned:

Any troll killed while supporting Rick Perry by the Ban Hammer of the Lizard King is automatically resurrected next turn by Perry's Goodhair as an Abysmal Ghoul Myrmidon that serves Perry.

LGF/D&D Crossover

Serious question: Are you wearing armor right now? Or maybe a better question is: How much armor are you wearing right now?

175 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:21:34pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Screw it, I put a portable hole in a bag of holding and wipe eveyone out.

Too late, I already cast a spell that turned you into a mindless Palin Spawn.

/I love this sort of gamer geek fight.

176 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:22:26pm

re: #174 darthstar

Serious question: Are you wearing armor right now? Or maybe a better question is: How much armor are you wearing right now?

That right there is a cross between a gamer and an internet perv.

177 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:22:53pm

re: #174 darthstar

Serious question: Are you wearing armor right now? Or maybe a better question is: How much armor are you wearing right now?

Trick question: Its a well known fact that for female characters, less armor equals better armor.

Image: armor-class.jpg

178 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:24:11pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Too late, I already cast a spell that turned you into a mindless Palin Spawn.

/I love this sort of gamer geek fight.

Sorry, I actually took the reading/writing proficiency, which made me immune to that particular effect.

179 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:24:56pm

Interesting that Fox was offended enough by Jimmy Hoffa Jr.'s PG-13 language yesterday to misleadingly and unethically edit a tape of him, but stays oddly mum on the comments of some of its own Nation's residents.

180 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:25:00pm

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Trick question: Its a well known fact that for female characters, less armor equals better armor.

Image: armor-class.jpg

OK, another shower for me coming right up.

181 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:26:09pm

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry, I actually took the reading/writing proficiency, which made me immune to that particular effect.

WHAT NEWSPAPERS DO YOU READ?

182 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:29:09pm

re: #179 Atlas Fails

Interesting that Fox was offended enough by Jimmy Hoffa Jr.'s PG-13 language yesterday to misleadingly and unethically edit a tape of him, but stays oddly mum on the comments of some of its own Nation's residents.

Fox isn't offended...Hoffa's words were a gift that fit nicely into their narrative

183 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:29:18pm

re: #181 b_sharp

WHAT NEWSPAPERS DO YOU READ?

Image: 9807920.jpg

184 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:29:46pm

re: #180 b_sharp

OK, another shower for me coming right up.

Just get a waterproof laptop.

185 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:30:34pm

re: #184 darthstar

Just get a waterproof laptop.

That would take two hands.

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:32:08pm

Lunch is served...
The Maggot Sandwich At The Colorado State Fair (VIDEO)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

187 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:32:23pm

re: #185 b_sharp

That would take two hands.

I've learned to use a mouse left handed...

188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:33:39pm

re: #179 Atlas Fails

Interesting that Fox was offended enough by Jimmy Hoffa Jr.'s PG-13 language yesterday to misleadingly and unethically edit a tape of him, but stays oddly mum on the comments of some of its own Nation's residents.

I didn't even click on that.

Supremacist mentality: violent con and other bigots get to run roughshod over everyone in their path. Anyone who pushes back at them is discriminating at their RIGHT to RULE.

189 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:34:11pm

I think this question would be best asked after the 1st debate. Perry doesn't really so the whole debating thing. If he has a good night Wednesday, then I'd say he's got it. But if he proves to be not ready for prime time, I think it shifts back to Romney at least until the next debate.

190 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:34:20pm

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've learned to use a mouse left handed...

That's a handy talent.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:25pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think this question would be best asked after the 1st debate. Perry doesn't really so the whole debating thing. If he has a good night Wednesday, then I'd say he's got it. But if he proves to be not ready for prime time, I think it shifts back to Romney at least until the next debate.

Is Perry gonna be there or is he sticking around Texas because of the wildfires? (could also be a twofer if he hates debates)

192 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:37pm

re: #190 b_sharp

That's a handy talent.

It has come in handy.

193 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:40pm

i think romney will look stronger once the primaries start

then it will be a battle of the network hair btw perry and romney

as they vie harder and harder to pander to the right, the center will become more and more alienated

194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:36:50pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think this question would be best asked after the 1st debate. Perry doesn't really so the whole debating thing. If he has a good night Wednesday, then I'd say he's got it. But if he proves to be not ready for prime time, I think it shifts back to Romney at least until the next debate.

That could be. But I think he will do very well in the debates. The GOP screwed up the last/only time they have ever had a rock star, which was Palin, so they are desperate for another one. pRick Perry fits the bill. I think he'll be given pass after pass after pass because of it.

195 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:37:32pm

remember, there's an old political pundit rule of thumb that a candidate often polls strongest right after their initial announce...

196 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:37:38pm

re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That could be. But I think he will do very well in the debates. The GOP screwed up the last/only time they have ever had a rock star, which was Palin, so they are desperate for another one. pRick Perry fits the bill. I think he'll be given pass after pass after pass because of it.

I see what you did there.

197 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:38:27pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It has come in handy.

There is no better man than a handy man.

198 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:39:17pm

re: #188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I didn't even click on that.

Supremacist mentality: violent con and other bigots get to run roughshod over everyone in their path. Anyone who pushes back at them is discriminating at their RIGHT to RULE.

maybe we are seeing the end of partisan two party rule....this ridiculous, sports-like loyalty mentality may become obsolete....voters need to wake up and realize that inflexible drooling over their party is a farce....I would love to see more people that say...you don't own me, you need to earn my vote...probably not for some time if ever

199 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:40:31pm

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is Perry gonna be there or is he sticking around Texas because of the wildfires? (could also be a twofer if he hates debates)

I'm not sure. If he skips the debate he will look like he's chicken. The wildfires are serious, but they have been going on for quite a while now and so far all he's done about it is ask people to pray and fast for rain. If he isn't there he's got no excuse and will confirm my suspicion that debating scares him. He knows as the new candidate and front runner he will be the target and there is a lot to hit him with.

200 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:41:12pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

I just don't know right now, James. I can tell you I'm voting for Romney in the Illinois primary, but I honestly can't say about the general election.

what if it was Ron Paul? :D


(I'm just screwing around)

201 RadicalModerate  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:41:31pm

I don't think that Rick Perry will get the nomination, for a couple of reasons.

First, his abject refusal to participate in debates. This may be okay early on, but the closer to primary season we get, he's going to start alienating voters.
Second, his slightly less than absolutist views regarding immigration. The Nationalist wing of Republicans (aka Geller, etc) already don't like him much because of this.

If Rudolph Giuliani decides to join the fray, honestly, unless he royally screws up, the nomination is his to lose.

202 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:41:57pm

re: #148 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I have to wonder-Are a candidates strongest critics the best judges of his ability to win? I would think not. A more objective view would have the better shot at accuracy. A die hard fan would be even less accurate than a critic though.

203 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:42:37pm

re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That could be. But I think he will do very well in the debates. The GOP screwed up the last/only time they have ever had a rock star, which was Palin, so they are desperate for another one. pRick Perry fits the bill. I think he'll be given pass after pass after pass because of it.

Maybe. It's a TP debate so that's his natural audience. It also means he's more likely to say a bunch of shit that will come back to bite him in the general.

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:42:52pm

re: #198 albusteve

maybe we are seeing the end of partisan two party rule...this ridiculous, sports-like loyalty mentality may become obsolete...voters need to wake up and realize that inflexible drooling over their party is a farce...I would love to see more people that say...you don't own me, you need to earn my vote...probably not for some time if ever

I would love multiple parties, and that runoff-take-the-people-who-got-the-top-two-slots-and-run-them-in-the-general-can't-remember-what-it's-called thing

but that'll never happen, both parties have a duopoly and they like it that way!

205 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:43:14pm
206 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:43:28pm

re: #201 RadicalModerate

I don't think that Rick Perry will get the nomination, for a couple of reasons.

First, his abject refusal to participate in debates. This may be okay early on, but the closer to primary season we get, he's going to start alienating voters.
Second, his slightly less than absolutist views regarding immigration. The Nationalist wing of Republicans (aka Geller, etc) already don't like him much because of this.

If Rudolph Giuliani decides to join the fray, honestly, unless he royally screws up, the nomination is his to lose.

Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.

207 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:44:36pm

Okay, everyone, it is September, better known as Emergency Preparedness month.

I know a lot of you are well prepared from your responses last year.

I am here to nag the rest of you.

First off--water. You don't want to be paying $40.56 a crate at Best Buy.

Emergency plans--have them? Gone over fire safety and had a mock fire drill in your home? What about Grandma? Does your extended family have an emergency plan for Grandma or Aunt Betsy?

Meds. They aren't just for recreation.

Food. Have you thought about what could be eaten without power?

Heat. I know right now everyone east of the Rockies is thinking they could live without it for a while, but really. Heat.

This is not a comprehensive list, and I'm not done nagging. I'm sure others have things to add to the list as well.

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:44:44pm

re: #206 wozzablog

Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.

Rudy is unelectable by the current GOP, he looks as alien to the base of the GOP these days as Obama does

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:44:47pm

re: #198 albusteve

maybe we are seeing the end of partisan two party rule...

It's interesting because before the tea party became the bunch of herded cats it did, it had that opportunity. Then they were commandeered to stay in the R party. That's to the R's advantage because the tea party could have split their vote into a million pieces.

I would love to see more people that say...you don't own me, you need to earn my vote...probably not for some time if ever

I like my Dusty's version the best

I should say also, I see what's in bold going on with the lgbt vote. Prematurely, and by the types who do not understand minority social movements. You wouldn't believe the amateurish crap people told me during the 2010 elections, stuff like, since Obama didn't overturn DADT by EO they're writing in Matthew Sheppard, that level of utter nonsense.

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:09pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

you should see my first aid kit, it's mindblowing :D

211 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:15pm

re: #201 RadicalModerate

I don't think that Rick Perry will get the nomination, for a couple of reasons.

First, his abject refusal to participate in debates. This may be okay early on, but the closer to primary season we get, he's going to start alienating voters.
Second, his slightly less than absolutist views regarding immigration. The Nationalist wing of Republicans (aka Geller, etc) already don't like him much because of this.

If Rudolph Giuliani decides to join the fray, honestly, unless he royally screws up, the nomination is his to lose.

Has Rudy become pro-life or something? The GOP isn't nominating a pro-choicer and he did worse than Romney back in 2008. And seriously what's he going to run on? A noun, a verb and 9/11? Obama already trumped him by getting OBL.

212 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:17pm

It appears the the elementary school bus drop-off is right in front of my house this year.

How ironic.

213 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:28pm

re: #206 wozzablog

Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.

he's been training, preserving body fluids etc...I don't care how many girl friends he's had...he makes more sense than any goof currently running

214 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:45:34pm

keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom

the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans

215 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:02pm

re: #164 darthstar

Spread-eagled hot chick

That reminded me of Vonnegut's 'wide-open beavers.'

(Safe for work.)

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:03pm

re: #206 wozzablog

Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.

Rudy put all his eggs into the Florida basket which equaled FAIL.

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:15pm

re: #214 engineer dog

keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom

the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans

has the monster killed its master? We'll find out!

218 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:46:59pm

re: #208 WindUpBird

Rudy is unelectable by the current GOP, he looks as alien to the base of the GOP these days as Obama does

Don't disagree at all.

219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:47:20pm
220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:47:28pm

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

I have to wonder-Are a candidates strongest critics the best judges of his ability to win? I would think not. A more objective view would have the better shot at accuracy. A die hard fan would be even less accurate than a critic though.

Well, it's like steve alluded to - all of this is spectator sport, ALL of it. Especially right now. The election is more than a year away -- this time in 2007 if you'd have told me Barack Obama would be president I would still be laughing at you.

221 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:47:58pm

re: #214 engineer dog

keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom

the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans

Keep this in mind

Over the last four decades, the Republican Party has transformed from a loyal opposition into an insurrectionary party that flouts the law when it is in the majority and threatens disorder when it is the minority. It is the party of Watergate and Iran-Contra, but also of the government shutdown in 1995 and the impeachment trial of 1999. If there is an earlier American precedent for today’s Republican Party, it is the antebellum Southern Democrats of John Calhoun who threatened to nullify, or disregard, federal legislation they objected to, and who later led the fight to secede from the union over slavery.

Today, Republicans are threatening a government shutdown and an international monetary crisis over raising the debt ceiling. They have demanded a set of ruinous concessions as a condition for raising the ceiling. These conditions would include draconian budget cuts at a time when economic growth has virtually stalled—it grew a mere 0.9 percent the first half of this year—because of the exhaustion of the 2009-10 government stimulus. To gain Tea Party votes, House Speaker John Boehner set another condition for raising the debt ceiling again in six months: the passage by the House and Senate of a constitutional amendment to balance the budget. An amendment of this kind would make it impossible for the federal government to reverse economic downturns. The Republicans are, in effect, demanding a major constitutional change in return for not shutting down the government and undermining the American economy. That’s insurrectionary behavior.

222 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:48:01pm

re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lunch is served...
The Maggot Sandwich At The Colorado State Fair (VIDEO)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

NPR had an interview with an food scientist about entomophagy being the future of feeding the human race, what with the increasing population and overall inefficiency of meat sources as is. The way he put it was (paraphrasing) "...more and more products are going to list larger and larger percentages of animal protein on the nutrition info, and it won't be from quadripeds. You're going to be eating bugs whether you realize it or not."

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:48:11pm

re: #211 moderatelyradicalliberal

Has Rudy become pro-life or something? The GOP isn't nominating a pro-choicer and he did worse than Romney back in 2008. And seriously what's he going to run on? A noun, a verb and 9/11? Obama already trumped him by getting OBL.

a pro-choicer...from new york...who doesn't look like the base of the GOP, who doesn't talk like them either, who hangs out with gay people.

NOT ELECTABLE

224 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:49:00pm

re: #172 simoom

It's bizarre how many news orgs are screwing up the Hoffa quote today. Most aren't even abridging with ellipses in a misleading way, they're just outright reporting a quote that was never said.

It started when AP intentionally misquoted Obama when he was speaking about Israel.

I guess it's standard procedure now. It disgusts me.

225 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:49:19pm

re: #213 albusteve

he's been training, preserving body fluids etc...I don't care how many girl friends he's had...he makes more sense than any goof currently running

I don't care about his private life - i personally thought he was odious as a pol.

226 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:49:30pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

Okay, everyone, it is September, better known as Emergency Preparedness month.

I know a lot of you are well prepared from your responses last year.

I am here to nag the rest of you.

First off--water. You don't want to be paying $40.56 a crate at Best Buy.

Emergency plans--have them? Gone over fire safety and had a mock fire drill in your home? What about Grandma? Does your extended family have an emergency plan for Grandma or Aunt Betsy?

Meds. They aren't just for recreation.

Food. Have you thought about what could be eaten without power?

Heat. I know right now everyone east of the Rockies is thinking they could live without it for a while, but really. Heat.

This is not a comprehensive list, and I'm not done nagging. I'm sure others have things to add to the list as well.

Along with my garden harvest of squash, beans, quinoa, dried tomatoes, etc I keep a couple jars of peanut butter, a couple dozen tins of sardines and about 20 pounds of rice on hand at all times.
I also have a hand cranked flashlight/radio too.

227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:50:08pm

re: #203 moderatelyradicalliberal

Maybe. It's a TP debate so that's his natural audience. It also means he's more likely to say a bunch of shit that will come back to bite him in the general.

I think the other part of it is the part of the GOP that is sick of the tea party. I have to wonder about the money interests, many of whom depend on real science e.g. petroleum, chemicals/materials, etc., take to this anti-science stance. I hope they speak up, because they are on a collision course with this monster they created.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:50:45pm

re: #172 simoom

bizarre? it's business! Lying to people and scaring them and making them mad = $$$

229 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:51:13pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

GOLD!!

Where's the GOLD!!

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:51:16pm

re: #222 The Ghost of a Flea

NPR had an interview with an food scientist about entomophagy being the future of feeding the human race, what with the increasing population and overall inefficiency of meat sources as is. The way he put it was (paraphrasing) "...more and more products are going to list larger and larger percentages of animal protein on the nutrition info, and it won't be from quadripeds. You're going to be eating bugs whether you realize it or not."

If you take bugs, soak them in beef or chicken broth or cure it, give it a fancy name and add it to hot dogs or bologna, no one will know.

231 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:51:28pm

re: #214 engineer dog

keep in mind the competition between the candidates is just a symptom

the real fight in the republican party is between the tea party and the traditional republicans

I'm sorry to inform you but TPs are traditional Republicans. They have been a part of the GOP coalition for at least 40 years now, cultural resentment, bigotry and all.

232 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:52:06pm

re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, it's like steve alluded to - all of this is spectator sport, ALL of it. Especially right now. The election is more than a year away -- this time in 2007 if you'd have told me Barack Obama would be president I would still be laughing at you.

OK, this I'm updinging and I suggest everyone else do the same. This post is exactly correct about the nature of election coverage. The honesty and biases of the media outlets vary, but they all want to play up the 'contest' aspects of the election, because that's how they gain money and visibility.

233 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:52:13pm

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just cover 'em with chocolate.

234 RadicalModerate  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:52:13pm

re: #211 moderatelyradicalliberal

Has Rudy become pro-life or something? The GOP isn't nominating a pro-choicer and he did worse than Romney back in 2008. And seriously what's he going to run on? A noun, a verb and 9/11? Obama already trumped him by getting OBL.

Rudy is still quite popular in the New England states, Florida, California and (to a lesser extent) the Rust Belt states. The number of delegates those states will garner should offset the heavily Neo-Confederate base in the South and the anti-immigration faction in the Southwest.

235 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:53:29pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also - this
Reflections of a GOP congressional operative who left the "cult"

[Link: www.truth-out.org...]

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:53:32pm

re: #234 RadicalModerate

Rudy is still quite popular in the New England states, Florida, California and (to a lesser extent) the Rust Belt states. The number of delegates those states will garner should offset the heavily Neo-Confederate base in the South and the anti-immigration faction in the Southwest.

IIRC, Rudy came in third in Florida in 2008.

237 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:54:07pm

re: #229 freetoken

GOLD!!

Where's the GOLD!!

sold at over 1500 an ounce

238 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:01pm

re: #231 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm sorry to inform you but TPs are traditional Republicans. They have been a part of the GOP coalition for at least 40 years now, cultural resentment, bigotry and all.

doubt it

239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:07pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

OK, this I'm updinging and I suggest everyone else do the same. This post is exactly correct about the nature of election coverage. The honesty and biases of the media outlets vary, but they all want to play up the 'contest' aspects of the election, because that's how they gain money and visibility.

Well thanks for that, DF. Steve brought up a really good point.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:23pm

re: #233 freetoken

Just cover 'em with chocolate.

That could actually sell if marketed correctly.

241 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:55:44pm

re: #229 freetoken

GOLD!!

Where's the GOLD!!

Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.

242 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:56:23pm

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or, just deep-fry 'em and call them "poppers" or "crunchies" or anything....

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:56:45pm

have a great afternoon all!

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:57:20pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.

You're gonna need wheels

245 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:57:34pm

re: #227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think the other part of it is the part of the GOP that is sick of the tea party. I have to wonder about the money interests, many of whom depend on real science e.g. petroleum, chemicals/materials, etc., take to this anti-science stance. I hope they speak up, because they are on a collision course with this monster they created.

The money and foreign policy oriented parts of the GOP have never been hot on the Tea Party. They loved how it picked the GOP off the floor after its 2008 drubbing, but they want it as a path back to power. But if partnering with the Tea Party looks likely to lead to financial or foreign policy disaster, then those non-socon parts of the party will rebel. As part of the foreign policy element, I'll be one of the rebels.

But if I'm going to be a rebel, my mother's family's North Carolina heritage means I'll have to learn to whistle 'Dixie' first. /in jest

246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:57:39pm

re: #231 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm sorry to inform you but TPs are traditional Republicans. They have been a part of the GOP coalition for at least 40 years now, cultural resentment, bigotry and all.

They're just reliving their anti-desegregation/anti-Women's Lib years from the 70s.

And 60s.

And 50s.

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:58:17pm

re: #242 freetoken

Or, just deep-fry 'em and call them "poppers" or "crunchies" or anything...

As long as people have Ranch dressing to dip something that is fried into, it will sell.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:58:43pm

re: #246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

mmmmmm...the crucible....

249 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:59:01pm

re: #227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think the other part of it is the part of the GOP that is sick of the tea party. I have to wonder about the money interests, many of whom depend on real science e.g. petroleum, chemicals/materials, etc., take to this anti-science stance. I hope they speak up, because they are on a collision course with this monster they created.

I have no doubt that there is a part of the GOP that is tired of the TP, but they aren't a majority of the party. At best it's 50/50 and they can't control them. They couldn't control them when they were going on about birth certificates or during the debt ceiling debate or when they nominated a bunch of lunatics that cost the GOP the Senate. I keep hearing about these sane Republicans and I don't doubt their existence. What I do doubt is their power and numbers. If they have the power and the numbers to reign the TP in they better get to it because Perry is at 30% and when the other clowns start dropping out of the race their crazy voters will go to him, not Romney.

250 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:59:13pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

OK, this I'm updinging and I suggest everyone else do the same. This post is exactly correct about the nature of election coverage. The honesty and biases of the media outlets vary, but they all want to play up the 'contest' aspects of the election, because that's how they gain money and visibility.

"Pimp The Drama", get the ratings.

251 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:59:26pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.

Better to stock up on surveyor's wood stakes. Especially if it becomes a vampire-zombie apocalypse.

252 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:01:24pm

re: #234 RadicalModerate

Rudy is still quite popular in the New England states, Florida, California and (to a lesser extent) the Rust Belt states. The number of delegates those states will garner should offset the heavily Neo-Confederate base in the South and the anti-immigration faction in the Southwest.

I don't recall Rudy winning any of those states back in 2008 and surely he was more popular then. Sorry, his time has passed. He's a no-go.

253 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:01:51pm

re: #251 Gus 802

Better to stock up on surveyor's wood stakes. Especially if it becomes a vampire-zombie apocalypse.

I wonder if bamboo stakes will work. I have plenty of those.

254 Kragar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:02:12pm

re: #251 Gus 802

Better to stock up on surveyor's wood stakes. Especially if it becomes a vampire-zombie apocalypse.

A good titanium crowbar is all you'll ever need.

255 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:02:49pm

re: #249 moderatelyradicalliberal

I have no doubt that there is a part of the GOP that is tired of the TP, but they aren't a majority of the party. At best it's 50/50 and they can't control them. They couldn't control them when they were going on about birth certificates or during the debt ceiling debate or when they nominated a bunch of lunatics that cost the GOP the Senate. I keep hearing about these sane Republicans and I don't doubt their existence. What I do doubt is their power and numbers. If they have the power and the numbers to reign the TP in they better get to it because Perry is at 30% and when the other clowns start dropping out of the race their crazy voters will go to him, not Romney.

most voters don't try to control anybody...they sit on their ass until election day, then vote...there is no mechanism to discount the national, face time loonies....all of that is yet to be decided

256 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:02:53pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

The money and foreign policy oriented parts of the GOP have never been hot on the Tea Party. They loved how it picked the GOP off the floor after its 2008 drubbing, but they want it as a path back to power. But if partnering with the Tea Party looks likely to lead to financial or foreign policy disaster, then those non-socon parts of the party will rebel. As part of the foreign policy element, I'll be one of the rebels.

My eye has been on the Breitbart/O'Keefe/Big ________ crowd, the people who are sick of harping on abortion and gays, but still retain every other bigotry and class resentment they were inculcated with. They're also not averse to using PC language to their dishonest ends, either, e.g. Shirley Sherrod "is racist" against them, etc.

That to me is the future of the GOP.

But if I'm going to be a rebel, my mother's family's North Carolina heritage means I'll have to learn to whistle 'Dixie' first. /in jest

Hm, not recommended. Didn't work out so well the last time. /

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:05:51pm

re: #252 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't recall Rudy winning any of those states back in 2008 and surely he was more popular then. Sorry, his time has passed. He's a no-go.

I could see Rudy campaigning for someone if he wanted a cabinet position. But I honestly don't know if he would be interested in a gig like that.

258 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:05:57pm

re: #242 freetoken

Or, just deep-fry 'em and call them "poppers" or "crunchies" or anything...

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #256 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

a lot of the smaller folk devil issues change, but racism is constant :P

260 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:11:09pm

Jerry Coyne is alerting everybody to a free download at Amazon (for Kindle owners) of an evolution textbook:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Don't know about the book myself and as I don't have a Kindle probably never will read the book, but for those of you with a Kindle it might be worth the effort.

261 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:11:20pm

re: #252 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't recall Rudy winning any of those states back in 2008 and surely he was more popular then. Sorry, his time has passed. He's a no-go.

Rudy himself was quoted saying he couldn't get the nomination.

Asked why it would be so hard for him to become the nominee, Giuliani sketched a picture of a nominating process designed to keep Republicans like him -- pro-choice, pro-gay rights (sort of) and (at one time) pro-gun control -- from ever getting to the White House, despite the fact their views may be more in line with the general electorate than their more socially conservative opponents.

"I'm simply not that conservative on social issues," he said. "And I'm not willing to change just to become President."

262 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:11:59pm

re: #199 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm not sure. If he skips the debate he will look like he's chicken. The wildfires are serious, but they have been going on for quite a while now and so far all he's done about it is ask people to pray and fast for rain. If he isn't there he's got no excuse and will confirm my suspicion that debating scares him. He knows as the new candidate and front runner he will be the target and there is a lot to hit him with.

Technically he did "more" than pray: he quartered the budget for volunteer fire departments.

He's going to be a strong candidate for awhile. He's hitting the correct chords with fundamentalists and industrialists which is going to sustain him through the primaries barring a major crap-up. All of his anti-regulation stuff is going to throw a lot of business interests behind him--look at the super-PAC money dump that's already starting. Looking forward, the "Texas Miracle" is a marketable, bite-sized bit of mythology, and will likely be a big selling point for the consultants and wonks constructing his public image for a national electoral base: refuting it requires detailed analysis that doesn't "sell" as smoothly.

I suspect the other campaign tone we're going to see was set by that set of comparison photos distributed by some racist gasbag that I don't recall: Obama in seventies clothes looking hip versus Perry in his Air Force uniform.

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you take bugs, soak them in beef or chicken broth or cure it, give it a fancy name and add it to hot dogs or bologna, no one will know.

That's what the dude was talking about. Animal protein is the industry euphemism already in place.

I am dying to try chapulines.

263 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:12:43pm

re: #259 WindUpBird

a lot of the smaller folk devil issues change, but racism is constant :P

It's the default cultural resentment. Like clockwork, we can count on it.

264 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:13:03pm

re: #262 The Ghost of a Flea

Perry has history:
[Link: www.scoop.co.nz...]

I suspect that every political operative has a file on him.

265 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:16:50pm

Speaking of Perry, here is someone's letter to the editor, who is proud that Perry is with the majority of Americans on creationism, and berating the newspaper for not differentiating between OEC and YEC:

Perry column ignored debate about the age of the Earth

Ironically, the writer's last name is "Erickson", though I don't know if he is related to RedState Son of Erick.

266 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:18:04pm

Never change, CrazyPam!

267 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:18:30pm

re: #266 Atlas Fails

Never change, CrazyPam!

Linky no worky.

268 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:18:52pm

re: #267 JasonA

too many "http..."

269 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:19:20pm

BBL

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:20:02pm

re: #265 freetoken

Did you ever get a response to the comment you left the other morning on a link you posted here?

271 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:20:07pm

re: #268 freetoken

too many "http..."

Ah. It was a colon problem.

272 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:20:58pm

re: #267 JasonA

Linky no worky.

Fixed it.

273 celticdragon  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:21:16pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

My cursor was irresistibly drawn to Ron Paul.

Sorry.

Me too. Cranky Uncle Paul needs some love.

274 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:22:39pm

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you ever get a response to the comment you left the other morning on a link you posted here?

which comment, which link?

275 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:23:00pm

re: #273 celticdragon

Me too. Cranky Uncle Paul needs some love.

Me three. Just couldn't resist.


(Plus, I really want to fuck Ron Paul.)

276 Donna Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:24:10pm

Mmmm, they're all pretty scary to me! All of these yahoos make me shudder. I definitely am making the jump to independent, me no like the nuts hanging from the GOP tree!

277 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:25:04pm
Sheriff identifies suspect in Nevada IHOP shooting

[...] Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong says the man was 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City. He says Sencion worked at a family business in South Lake Tahoe.

Furlong says Sencion arrived at the IHOP Tuesday morning in a minivan registered to his brother. He had a rifle and began shooting in and around the restaurant. [...]

278 dragonfire1981  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:25:30pm

"Who's nuttier? The wingnut or the wingnut that follows him?"

- Obama wan Kenobi

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:26:09pm

re: #274 freetoken

which comment, which link?

I wanna say it was a creationist article somewhere. You took the author to task. Either yesterday morning or Sunday morning. Early, my time.

280 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:26:28pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Gold is worthless in a zombie apocalypse. I have thought about a shotgun but I'm sort of leaning towards a nice compound bow. Pretty worthless as a home defense weapon but I could set up a target range in the basement.

Many years ago I went bow hunting with my uncle and his friends in Oregon. One morning we're out and his friend sets up, getting ready to take a buck. He pulls back, holds, aims carefully, and then the string broke ... the bow just destroyed itself, all that energy just released in a blur of chaos, shit flew every which way. It was spectacular.

281 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:27:59pm

re: #278 dragonfire1981

"Who's nuttier? The wingnut or the wingnut that follows him?"

- Obama wan Kenobi

That's tough since the wingnut gets nuttier due to what he feels the wingnuts around him may want. Take a guy like Romney. He'll try to outwingnut his opponents so he can look good in the eyes of the wingnuts.

282 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:28:11pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

There are 176 comments on that thread (about Erick Erickson) - I'm not sure about which question you are asking.

283 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:29:36pm

So a pal of mine gives me this book-

Kafka
The Complete Stories

I never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.

284 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:04pm

We're taking the fast track to the third world.

THE INNOVATION TRAP: HOW THE IPHONE ISN’T SAVING AMERICA

The US economy faces a number of challenges—among them a lack of job creation and an ever-growing trade deficit. Many policy-makers believe that encouraging business innovation is the best response to these particular challenges. Sounds plausible but experience suggests otherwise.

The best example of why simply encouraging business innovation is not the answer for our employment and trade problems is Apple and its iPhone.

The iPhone was introduced in 2007 and has been incredible successful. U.S. sales soared from 3 million units in 2007 to over 11 million in 2009. Global sales topped 25 million in 2009.

While the iPhone is designed and marketed by Apple, almost all the phone’s components are produced by foreign companies operating outside the United States. These components are then shipped to China where Foxconn, a Taiwanese company, oversees their assembly and their export to the United States and other countries. As a result, the iPhone generates few jobs in the United States.

285 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:35pm

re: #284 JasonA

Naso Tang put up a Page about that article. Generated some comments.

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:47pm

re: #282 freetoken

There are 176 comments on that thread (about Erick Erickson) - I'm not sure about which question you are asking.

Found it.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

287 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:30:49pm

I just looked at Breitbart's site. He and Fox really seem to think they have a winner with this Hoffa non-story. Every other story on the page I saw had someone trying to get a Democrat to denounce Hoffa.

I'll bet if they knew that all they had to do was a bad tape edit to rile up the wingnuts, they would have started doing it years ago.

288 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:31:31pm

re: #283 Rightwingconspirator

So a pal of mine gives me this book-

Kafka
The Complete Stories

I never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.

The Trial and Metamorphosis are both really out there but he's interesting. I saw the part of Prague where he lived and wrote while I was there a few years ago. Not my favorite author but an interesting one and very influential too.

289 Stinky Beaumont  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:32:00pm

Psst ... the poll creation feature for LGF Pages is now live!

I'll have a post with some documentation on it later, but if you want to start fooling around it's ready to go. Just click the button at the top right that looks like a graph of poll results...

290 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:32:31pm

re: #287 makeitstop

I just looked at Breitbart's site. He and Fox really seem to think they have a winner with this Hoffa non-story. Every other story on the page I saw had someone trying to get a Democrat to denounce Hoffa.

I'll bet if they knew that all they had to do was a bad tape edit to rile up the wingnuts, they would have started doing it years ago.

I can't believe the idiots think it's the real deal. The thing is obviously edited. You can tell by the way Hoffa's voice sounds in between the two phrases.

291 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:33:41pm

re: #284 JasonA

Yes, those CFL's are made there, and if you want to open a factory there you have to do your R&D there too. That way they can copy your stuff really efficiently.

BTW why is it Steve Jobs and his company gets a full pass on working conditions for all his oh so cool gadgets made for the cool kidz, but clothing makers get excoriated by the retailers who sell them and by the press?

It seems Apple has enough teflon to take the heat for any issue, including heavy handed security that includes the US Secret Service on call.

292 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:33:50pm

re: #284 JasonA

We're taking the fast track to the third world.

THE INNOVATION TRAP: HOW THE IPHONE ISN’T SAVING AMERICA

Meanwhile, when Solyndra, a domestic start-up whose innovative products were drawing a great deal of interest, closed its doors, what was the response?

"Haha! Obama's 'green jobs' gamble failed! You can't pick winners and losers, that's not how the market works!"

293 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:34:12pm

re: #283 Rightwingconspirator

So a pal of mine gives me this book-

Kafka
The Complete Stories

I never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.

His most famous stuff is weird in that distinct way that becomes "Kafkaesque-ness," but he wrote a lot of material that I'd describe as descriptive prose poetry.

If you want trippy, start with In the Penal Colony.

294 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:35:27pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Many years ago I went bow hunting with my uncle and his friends in Oregon. One morning we're out and his friend sets up, getting ready to take a buck. He pulls back, holds, aims carefully, and then the string broke ... the bow just destroyed itself, all that energy just released in a blur of chaos, shit flew every which way. It was spectacular.

I'm not a big fan of recreational bow hunting, I think it can be unnecessarily messy. However, I figure as a survival tool it should be just fine. Repairing a bow is probably a hell of a lot easier than repairing a gun, ammo can be reused or even home made.

295 freetoken  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:35:36pm

re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar

I left a comment on Amanda Read's blog when I read her article. Several people wrote good comments for her, taking her to task for the shallowness of her statements.

She's a talented young writer (still in college) who, unfortunately, appears to look to Ann Coulter as a model of how to get into the punditry business.

296 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:35:43pm

re: #285 freetoken

Naso Tang put up a Page about that article. Generated some comments.

Ah. Right you are.

297 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:37:01pm

re: #291 Rightwingconspirator

Apple is magical.

298 RemainCalm  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:37:11pm

I voted “Perry” because the question was who had the best chance of winning the nomination. If the question was about winning the presidency, I suspect despite his warts and dandruff, Romney would have the best chance to win over the moderates, centrists and independents who decide national elections.

299 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:38:17pm

re: #289 Stinky Beaumont

Psst ... the poll creation feature for LGF Pages is now live!

I'll have a post with some documentation on it later, but if you want to start fooling around it's ready to go. Just click the button at the top right that looks like a graph of poll results...

I'm not seeing that.

300 Donna Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:39:35pm

re: #297 JasonA

Apple is magical.

More like Golden I'd say...

301 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:39:44pm

re: #298 RemainCalm

I voted “Perry” because the question was who had the best chance of winning the nomination. If the question was about winning the presidency, I suspect despite his warts and dandruff, Romney would have the best chance to win over the moderates, centrists and independents who decide national elections.

Agreed, same reason I voted Perry. Though I have to argue that Perry, as a master bullshit artist, might have a chance if he can steer this election from being a choice between two sides and into being a referendum on Obama. Not a significant one as of yet, but one nonetheless.

302 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:40:11pm

re: #299 Gus 802

I'm not seeing that.

The button is in the LGF Pages posting form...

303 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:41:14pm

re: #287 makeitstop

I just looked at Breitbart's site. He and Fox really seem to think they have a winner with this Hoffa non-story. Every other story on the page I saw had someone trying to get a Democrat to denounce Hoffa.

I'll bet if they knew that all they had to do was a bad tape edit to rile up the wingnuts, they would have started doing it years ago.

Yeah, but Hoffa said scary words like "army" and "take them out (of office, durr)." Worst of all, he uttered (gasp!) profanity! THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT CROWD!!!1!111 Granted, Dick "Draft-dodging Badass" Cheney once told a Democratic senator, in open session, to go fuck himself, but that's different. The godless liberal probably needed a good telling-off.

304 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:41:27pm

re: #302 Charles

The button is in the LGF Pages posting form...

Right. Like this one?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

305 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:42:03pm

re: #302 Charles

The button is in the LGF Pages posting form...

Got it!

Duh-e! :)

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:43:30pm

re: #303 Atlas Fails

Yeah, but Hoffa said scary words like "army" and "take them out (of office, durr)." Worst of all, he uttered (gasp!) profanity! THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT CROWD!!!1!111 Granted, Dick "Draft-dodging Badass" Cheney once told a Democratic senator, in open session, to go fuck himself, but that's different. The godless liberal probably needed a good telling-off.

Do you remember the fauxrage when Biden called the health care plan being passed a "big fucking deal?" It was absurd. First because people were acting like oh my god he used profanity and secondly because whether you agreed with Biden and Obama on health care not getting that passed was a big fucking deal as it's been the dream of Democratic presidents and congresses since FDR to get something like that passed by Congress.

307 compound idaho  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:43:39pm

re: #284 JasonA

The way to increase prosperity it to increase productivity. The auto industry wiped out the buggy whip industry. It also eliminated the waste deep horse shit problem in our cities. If we could do the same with bull shit, we would be way ahead of the game.

308 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:45:48pm

OK. My first poll.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Charles. Maybe we can add a "poll" category for the drop down menu?

Also, was thinking we also need an "education" category.

309 Donna Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:45:49pm

BBL Kids, Keep Smiling!

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:46:52pm

I have a question about the new poll/LGF feature but will reserve it for the roll out thread.

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:48:59pm

re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, no I don't.

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:49:26pm

Mitt Romney.

313 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:49:44pm

re: #309 Dragon_Lady

BBL Kids, Keep Smiling!

So soon? Was it something I said?

314 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:49:46pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

I can't believe the idiots think it's the real deal. The thing is obviously edited. You can tell by the way Hoffa's voice sounds in between the two phrases.

That's not even slowing them down, they're all-in on this one. Carney won't denounce. Wassermann-Schultz won't denounce. Yadda, yadda, yadda....

Even Breitbart and Loesch, after their Media Matters document fail this morning, are calling themselves 'sons-of-bitches.'

How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.

315 jaunte  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:51:13pm

re: #314 makeitstop

How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.

Unbridled careerism + low standards.

316 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:52:23pm

re: #314 makeitstop

How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.

You answered your own question.

317 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:52:43pm

re: #315 jaunte

Unbridled careerism + low standards.

I'd say a desire for entertainment in media over substance but yeah that works. Breitbart whining about anything is laughable to me. The guy's made his schting editing videos to make others look bad for political reasons and costing them their jobs if necessary. He's what I call a professional asshole.

318 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:52:55pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big fan of recreational bow hunting, I think it can be unnecessarily messy. However, I figure as a survival tool it should be just fine. Repairing a bow is probably a hell of a lot easier than repairing a gun, ammo can be reused or even home made.

You might be able to make quality arrows with your skills, but it doesn't look easy. Carbon is better than aluminum because either it's cracked or it's good to go. Aluminum can take a set. Going through the bones of large game will break and bend arrows, as will missing, hitting trees, rocks, etc.

For a survival tool I'm a much bigger fan of takedown .22 lr rifles. The Marlin 39A is ideal (pre 1988 models shoot better because they have no rebounding hammer.) The Browning SA-22 is nice. The cheapest, best option is probably the Marlin Model 70 PSS, a quick takedown stainless rifle that's very light and accurate. I think these are more appropriate for survival because without refrigeration you're more likely to be going after small game, and subsonic .22 is very quite coming out the longer barrels. Also you can carry many times more .22 cartridges for the same weight and volume. The reason for takedown models is that they're easier to pack, conceal, and clean.

319 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:53:17pm

re: #314 makeitstop

That's not even slowing them down, they're all-in on this one. Carney won't denounce. Wassermann-Schultz won't denounce. Yadda, yadda, yadda...

Even Breitbart and Loesch, after their Media Matters document fail this morning, are calling themselves 'sons-of-bitches.'

How in the fuck did these losers get to be players in the media? They act like a clique of none-too-bright 9th graders, for fuck's sake.

the Fox Master Plan is to induce a heart attack for you

320 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:55:37pm

re: #319 albusteve

the Fox Master Plan is to induce a heart attack for you

And here I thought it was to scare old people into buying gold...

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:55:44pm

re: #318 goddamnedfrank

I (you can tell by the nic) know very little about hunting. This question is devoid of sarcasm and holier-than-thou-sm. I promise.

I understand that bow hunting gives the critters a better chance; but isn't it more painful for the animal than a gun?

322 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:55:55pm

Mitt unveils his fiscal fantasy....
Romney unveils his jobs plan with a dig at Obama

He promised to bring the corporate tax rate down from the current level of 35% to 25%, in line with much of the rest of the world, saying, "I will do that on day one." He also pledged to immediately halt any regulations and policies implemented by President Barack Obama that stall job growth, and to cut government spending -- except for the military and entitlement programs -- by 5%.

Well there's a problem
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Countries with lower corporate taxes offset them with higher personal income taxes. The only thing Mitt's plan will accomplish is increasing the deficit.

323 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:56:04pm

re: #305 Gus 802

Got it!

Duh-e! :)

Okay I must be slow today.
How does this format? Are the options the possible answers or the question?

324 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:56:47pm

re: #319 albusteve

the Fox Master Plan is to induce a heart attack for you

They piss me off, but I been through worse. I got served a $3 million SLAPP suit by Michael Savage and I survived that.

They'll have to send Hannity to my house with a syringe full of meth if they want to get me like that. :)

325 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:58:17pm

re: #323 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I must be slow today.
How does this format? Are the options the possible answers or the question?

Just put the main question in the first field. Options are the answers. You can add or remove options while creating it. Once you finish click save.

326 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:59:16pm

re: #320 Atlas Fails

And here I thought it was to scare old people into buying gold...

well that old joke backfired, didn't it?
do you invest in anything?

327 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:59:19pm

Wow, the right wing froth machine is pushing this "Hoffa incited violence!" meme HARD. I haven't seen such a blatant attempt to manufacture outrage since the "lipstick on a pig" incident 3 years ago.

328 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:00:19pm

Hey everyone, does this gaping hole make my ass look big? (I hate working with dishonest people...especially when they're in positions of power.)

329 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:00:30pm

re: #327 bratwurst

Wow, the right wing froth machine is pushing this "Hoffa incited violence!" meme HARD. I haven't seen such a blatant attempt to manufacture outrage since the "lipstick on a pig" incident 3 years ago.

I wonder how it's playing out in the wild. I can't see it getting traction, TBH.

330 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:00:49pm

re: #303 Atlas Fails

Yeah, but Hoffa said scary words like "army" and "take them out (of office, durr)." Worst of all, he uttered (gasp!) profanity! THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT CROWD!!!1!111 Granted, Dick "Draft-dodging Badass" Cheney once told a Democratic senator, in open session, to go fuck himself, but that's different. The godless liberal probably needed a good telling-off.

Double standard is feature, not bug. The enforced values/actual conduct thing crosses into truly Soviet territory. By I mean "...this seems strangely reminiscent of the structural underpinnings the Solzhenitsyn laid out in the Gulag Archipelago, Vol 1."

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:01:44pm

re: #328 darthstar

Hey everyone, does this gaping hole make my ass look big? (I hate working with dishonest people...especially when they're in positions of power.)

I would say to try to take them down, but I'm an asshole like that.

332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:02:07pm

Ohh you are indeed in for a treat. There is nooooobody like Kafka. Nobody.

re: #283 Rightwingconspirator

So a pal of mine gives me this book-

Kafka
The Complete Stories

I never read him. I think I'm in for a trippy treat on the subway home.

333 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:02:37pm

re: #331 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would say to try to take them down, but I'm an asshole like that.

Already thinking about that. Unfortunately, the person I need to talk to is out for another week, so I'm going to delay and defer for a few days and then plead my case...

334 darthstar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:04:34pm

Apparently, he learned nothing in detention.

Won't you...forget about me...

335 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:05:14pm

re: #333 darthstar

Already thinking about that. Unfortunately, the person I need to talk to is out for another week, so I'm going to delay and defer for a few days and then plead my case...

Is the dishonesty documented (doubt it) or word to mouth crap?

336 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:05:53pm

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I (you can tell by the nic) know very little about hunting. This question is devoid of sarcasm and holier-than-thou-sm. I promise.

I understand that bow hunting gives the critters a better chance; but isn't it more painful for the animal than a gun?

I personally am not quite accurate enough with a bow to consider it an ethical way for me to take game. I know people who are though. I could practice up to that level but right now it's not something I do often enough to get really good at. I don't think it's inherently more painful though, both methods are capable of penetrating both lungs and putting an animal down swiftly and both methods can merely wound an animal. Shot placement and staying within one's personal range is key.

337 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:06:22pm

re: #326 albusteve

well that old joke backfired, didn't it?
do you invest in anything?

I'm not saying gold is never a worthy investment. I am saying operations like Cash4Gold are total scams. Think about it: if the wingnuts are right and we're facing a coming apocalypse that will render all U.S. currency worthless, why are the fine organizations pushed by Glenn Beck and WND willing to accept such soon-to-be-worthless paper in exchange for one of the only forms of currency that will be viable in the near future?

338 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:09:02pm

The preview feature now shows your poll as it will look when posted.

339 albusteve  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:09:07pm

re: #337 Atlas Fails

I'm not saying gold is never a worthy investment. I am saying operations like Cash4Gold are total scams. Think about it: if the wingnuts are right and we're facing a coming apocalypse that will render all U.S. currency worthless, why are the fine organizations pushed by Glenn Beck and WND willing to accept such soon-to-be-worthless paper in exchange for one of the only forms of currency that will be viable in the near future?

I know nothing about any apocalypse or Glenn Beck....I just buy and sell stuff and don't intellectualize it

340 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:09:22pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Thanksre: #325 Gus 802

Just put the main question in the first field. Options are the answers. You can add or remove options while creating it. Once you finish click save.

Hm. Clicked save and the poll button stayed red, and I got no poll in the Page. Must be doing something wrong. Question-"My political affiliation is-
Options
Republican
Dem
Indy
Other

Then I clicked save poll and got nothing.

341 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:10:57pm

re: #340 Rightwingconspirator

Thanksre: #325 Gus 802

Hm. Clicked save and the poll button stayed red, and I got no poll in the Page. Must be doing something wrong. Question-"My political affiliation is-
Options
Republican
Dem
Indy
Other

Then I clicked save poll and got nothing.

In the poll form, the save button just says you're done editing and want to keep your changes. The poll isn't actually created until you post the Page.

Use the preview button to see what it will look like.

342 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:11:20pm

re: #339 albusteve

I know nothing about any apocalypse or Glenn Beck...I just buy and sell stuff and don't intellectualize it

Congratulations, you invest like a sane person.

343 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:14:31pm

Kaboink...

102.2 °F

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:14:52pm

Couldn't some gigantic fucking fans blow all this rain back toward Texas? Gosh, it's terrible.

Texas and Oklahoma Lizards?

Don't be a dumb-ass. Get out, and get safe.

345 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:17:21pm

re: #343 Gus 802

Kaboink...

102.2 °F

Ouch. We're having a string of days around 90 but this week is going to be all of our summer weather.

346 EdDantes  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:17:54pm

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My parents got out of Oklahoma in '39 because of drought

347 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:20:09pm
348 Max  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:20:37pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

I'm saying Rick Perry but dreading it.

Also, his state is burning. Shouldn't he be focused on that?

I'm not sure if Rick Perry is still in Texas today, but he cancelled his planned appearance at Jim DeMint's forum yesterday.

In response to the fires Texas Gov. Rick Perry cancelled his planned appearance at a Labor Day forum in Columbia, S.C., today as well as events in California tomorrow to return to Texas, a spokeswoman for Perry told ABC News.

"Our state has got wildfires that are running quite wild at zero containment right now and the winds are supposed to pick up again," Perry said.

349 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:21:44pm

re: #341 Charles

In the poll form, the save button just says you're done editing and want to keep your changes. The poll isn't actually created until you post the Page.

Use the preview button to see what it will look like.

Hah, cool, got it and thanks very, very much.

350 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:21:56pm

re: #345 Killgore Trout

Ouch. We're having a string of days around 90 but this week is going to be all of our summer weather.

Gets old really fast. The strange part? It was 49 here this morning. Wunderground noted a high of 103. That's a 54 degree difference.

351 thecommodore  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:22:21pm

I want Perry to get it because I think unless there's a catastrophe, Obama should beat him decisively, even with high unemployment.

Romney, I'm not so sure about.

What surprises me is that Ron Paul has only 29 votes (as of this posting). Has the Paulian ballot box stuffing been foiled? lol

352 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:24:14pm

Okay folks remember it is an anonymous poll...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Okay now I'm Poll Pimping LOL

353 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:25:41pm

re: #351 thecommodore

What surprises me is that Ron Paul has only 29 votes (as of this posting). Has the Paulian ballot box stuffing been foiled? lol

I've been noticing a trend lately. Paulians have always been very proficient spammers of social networking sites, Digg, Reddit, etc. Only recently has there been a noticeable push back from the young people who frequent these sites. Mostly over issues like abortion, civil rights, social services. I think younger people have started to wake up to what Ron Paul is all about.

354 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:26:24pm

re: #352 Rightwingconspirator

Okay folks remember it is an anonymous poll...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Okay now I'm Poll Pimping LOL

Indies are off to an early lead.

355 mikefromArlington  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:27:43pm

Unless a "blackey" tape surfaces, Perry is gonna win.

356 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:28:28pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Indies are off to an early lead.

Not surprising. I see most here as center/left or center/right although we have people further entrenched on both sides.

358 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:29:38pm

re: #353 Killgore Trout

I've been noticing a trend lately. Paulians have always been very proficient spammers of social networking sites, Digg, Reddit, etc. Only recently has there been a noticeable push back from the young people who frequent these sites. Mostly over issues like abortion, civil rights, social services. I think younger people have started to wake up to what Ron Paul is all about.

I am glad. Seriously, too many people my age think Ron Paul is great or ok even among my more to the left friends. I mean shit I don't disagree with the guy on everything but he would be a horrible president.

359 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:29:44pm

I see that was already mentioned.

360 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:30:40pm

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not surprising. I see most here as center/left or center/right although we have people further entrenched on both sides.

It's kind of easy to forget that center-right still exists.

361 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:01pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

I am glad. Seriously, too many people my age think Ron Paul is great or ok even among my more to the left friends. I mean shit I don't disagree with the guy on everything but he would be a horrible president.

All he thinks the fed should regulate is vaginas.

362 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:20pm

re: #359 Gus 802

I see that was already mentioned.

Holy crap, he went after uniformed military? Lone wolf copycat?

363 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:29pm

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not surprising. I see most here as center/left or center/right although we have people further entrenched on both sides.

Sounds about right.

364 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:31:36pm

re: #357 Gus 802

IHOP Gunman Identified as Local Man, Eduardo Sencion

One comment said his GF left him and she worked there but it was just a rumor.

365 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:32:25pm

re: #360 Killgore Trout

It's kind of easy to forget that center-right still exists.

The best place to find center-right is the White House...

366 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:32:34pm
367 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:32:51pm

re: #361 JasonA

All he thinks the fed should regulate is vaginas.

Yeah, doesn't he sponsor the human life amendment at the start of every term? Got a lot of bones to pick with the guy honestly. Even if he didn't write the famous Lew Rockwell editorials, he had no problem with them being published in his newspaper and in his name.

368 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:33:01pm

re: #352 Rightwingconspirator

Okay folks remember it is an anonymous poll...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Okay now I'm Poll Pimping LOL

i refuse to answer any poll about affiliations that doesn't include albigensians

369 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:33:21pm

re: #360 Killgore Trout

It's kind of easy to forget that center-right still exists.

I'll just say this:
While all TPers might be Republican, not all Republicans are TPers.

370 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:33:34pm

re: #366 Gus 802

Gunman used AK-47 in Carson City IHOP shooting

The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.

371 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:34:23pm

re: #368 engineer dog

i refuse to answer any poll about affiliations that doesn't include albigensians

Poll is borked. We're all Socialists anyway...

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:34:53pm

re: #370 Gus 802

The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.

I think the National Guard guys were just victims of wrong place/wrong time.

373 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:35:36pm

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think the National Guard guys were just victims of wrong place/wrong time.

Yep.

374 garhighway  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:37:25pm

I saw a piece in the NYT just now that said the Senate just confirmed a new judge to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals that is the first black woman ever to sit on that court. The vote was 94 - 2. The two? DeMint and Vitter.

375 Gus  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:37:29pm

From:

Gunman dead after killing 3, wounding 8 at Nevada restaurant

The suspect, who police say acted alone, also shot himself and later died at a hospital. He was identified as 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City, Sheriff Kenny Furlong said.

The motive for the shootings remains unclear.

Sencion worked at a family business in nearby South Lake Tahoe, Calif., and had no known affiliations with anyone at the restaurant, Furlong said.

Sencion's family had raised concerns about his mental health in interviews with investigators, Furlong said. He did not elaborate.

376 allegro  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:37:52pm

re: #370 Gus 802

The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.

So it WAS the pancakes?

377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:38:57pm

Ooh I can. All those seething bigots eager to wallow in bogus victimhood? They've been doing it since the civil war and aren't intent on stoppping any time soon/Schadenfreude

re: #329 makeitstop

I wonder how it's playing out in the wild. I can't see it getting traction, TBH.

378 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:48:55pm

re: #377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ooh I can. All those seething bigots eager to wallow in bogus victimhood? They've been doing it since the civil war and aren't intent on stoppping any time soon/Schadenfreude

Doesn't much matter--that hymn plays only to the choir. It's not like the wingnuts on those sites are teetering on the edge of an Obama conversion.

379 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 4:58:58pm

re: #374 garhighway

I saw a piece in the NYT just now that said the Senate just confirmed a new judge to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals that is the first black woman ever to sit on that court. The vote was 94 - 2. The two? DeMint and Vitter.

So predictable.

380 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:10:46pm

re: #374 garhighway

I saw a piece in the NYT just now that said the Senate just confirmed a new judge to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals that is the first black woman ever to sit on that court. The vote was 94 - 2. The two? DeMint and Vitter.

A little pampering would have helped her case.

381 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:17:15pm

Just posted an article on News Corp selling London site. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:48:20pm

re: #108 JasonA

Where will we get our shit?

Hong Kong

//

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:49:19pm

re: #113 ggt

The whole "didn't come from Monkey's" meme is such bullshit. It shoes a total lack of understanding of genetic science.

And Frankly, Who gives a f-ck. If there is a monkey in my 50 billion gazillion old family tree, I don't care.

I feel OK about being a primate.

384 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:54:33pm

re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist

I feel OK about being a primate.

Same here. I just wish we had retained our ability to swing.

385 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:55:24pm

re: #384 b_sharp

Same here. I just wish we had retained our ability to swing.

It don't mean a thing if you don't got it.

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:56:10pm

re: #206 wozzablog

Rudy was "in" last time - but he forgot to Campaign. He'll need to be a helluva lot better. I think he is personally quite odious, but isn't likely to be as much of a disaster as Perry.

Giuliani never had a hope in hell, and still does not have a hope in hell.

387 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 5:58:19pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

Giuliani never had a hope in hell, and still does not have a hope in hell.

Oh, don't get me wrong, he has the same chance with the GOP as a snow ball does in hell.........but, he was in last time and did piss poorly. If he gets in this time he'll have to raise his game to even be considered for chief dog catcher.

I can't even remember who brought Rudy up first..........

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:05:58pm

re: #366 Gus 802

Gunman used AK-47 in Carson City IHOP shooting

Two more guns in his van, but he didn't get to them.

Guy's name was Eduardo Sencion. Local guy. So, probably not a jihadi, and no, they checked, here legally, on a U.S. passport.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:07:13pm

re: #370 Gus 802

The reason for the shooting was unknown, Furlong said. Sencion, an American citizen, was not in the military and did not know anyone inside the IHOP, Furlong said. A yellow-ribbon bumper sticker on Sencion's van urged support for troops.

Starting to sound very random.

390 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:12:02pm

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Doesn't much matter--that hymn plays only to the choir. It's not like the wingnuts on those sites are teetering on the edge of an Obama conversion.

Yeah, except they are mainstream conservative sites. Personally, I don't want them converting to anything but what they already are. Let them stay butthurt in perpetuity for all I care.

391 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:13:42pm

re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist

I feel OK about being a primate.

I do too.
As long as it's a cute primate.

392 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:14:20pm

re: #391 reine.de.tout

I do too.
As long as it's a cute primate.

My prime mate is cute as all get out

393 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:18:48pm

re: #391 reine.de.tout

I do too.
As long as it's a cute primate.

Aye-aye:

Image: 256.jpg

394 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:21:24pm

re: #393 Decatur Deb

Aye-aye:

Image: 256.jpg

What a cute little rat.


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