This is How I’ll Remember the World Trade Center
Alive with hopes and dreams
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Bubblehead II Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:21:01pm |
Well to be crude here. I was at the Employee bus pick up point when I got the word. The first thing that went through my mind was “What took them so long?”. Sorry, but I am military trained. In unconventional warfare, you take out the soft targets first.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:21:11pm |
I like the finish with the Chairman of the Board singing. That is perfect.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:21:13pm |
This is my favorite musical tribute for this day…created by one of Charles’ favorite artists, Todd Rundgren (unreleased track, only made available to subscribers to his website):
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:27:42pm |
Nice touch. The Twin Towers with the title.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:28:31pm |
Beautiful.
I have a mouse pad from pre-9/11 with a lovely photo of the twin towers.
Tomorrow is going to be a hard day.
Lost friends, that day.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:29:50pm |
re: #6 Floral Giraffe
I have a poster with the towers before 9/11. It is still rolled up with the cash register receipt.
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jaunte Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:30:12pm |
My WTC memory: A friend from high school worked as a management consultant in Manhattan; when I visited, we’d sometimes have dinner at Windows on the World. Even on a high speed elevator, it took almost a full minute to get up to the 107th floor. When the planes hit the buildings, my first thought was that the kitchen staffers were probably already at work, and wouldn’t be able to get down through the fire.
As you rode up in the elevator, your ears popped, and the journey took an eerily long time. Strangers would look at one another, a little frightened, as the big box ascended. When the doors finally opened, they’d spill into the restaurant, giddy with relief. Safe!
How long did it take? A minute, maybe longer, but in that time you left Manhattan, and every familiar thing, behind. Windows on the World was the ultimate destination restaurant, and Joe Baum, the consummate host, played it for all it was worth.
You walked from darkness into light, toward floor-to-ceiling windows beckoning from the end of the corridor. When you reached them, it was almost impossible to resist the urge to press yourself against the glass and look down at the microscopic people on the sidewalk below. From up here it was a toy village, cars nosing silently down crowded streets while, off in the distance, planes took off and landed at distant airports. The restaurant’s name was not lightly chosen.[Link: nymag.com…]
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:45:50pm |
I remember as a child seeing it get built from a distance. We had already left Brooklyn. Got to the base of it later on in life but they were closed and just saw the lobby level. My ex-girlfriend’s father used to work at the WTC but he passed away before 2001.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:46:14pm |
Regrettably The Falling Man is still stuck with me.
So it goes.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:49:52pm |
I remember being at work in Valley Forge, PA. One of my co-workers came into work and plopped down in her chair and told us that a plane flew into the World Trade Center. All of us at work were shocked. I was the only one with a radio so I turned it on to the all news station (KYW 1060AM) and they were giving a live report of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center. Most of us thought it was an accident until we heard that a second plane flew into the other tower. After the second plane everyone knew it was not an accident. We were dismissed from work around noon. When I got home my dad called me to see if I was okay. I spent the rest of the day watching the reports on television.
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:53:31pm |
I had planned to go see those towers someday…
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jaunte Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:55:22pm |
@chalkperson Chalkie Davies
The Twin Towers of Light, taken from the roof of my building, New York Honors and Remembers 9/11
[Link: twitpic.com…]
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:55:31pm |
I tracked down a copy of John Adams “On The Transmigration of Souls” which he wrote for the first anniversary. I also have a film to “War Requiem” by Benjamin Britten. I’ll listen to them after church, while playing with my son. That should strike the appropriate balance.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:56:03pm |
re: #11 PhillyPretzel
I remember being at work in Valley Forge, PA. One of my co-workers came into work and plopped down in her chair and told us that a plane flew into the World Trade Center. All of us at work were shocked. I was the only one with a radio so I turned it on to the all news station (KYW 1060AM) and they were giving a live report of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center. Most of us thought it was an accident until we heard that a second plane flew into the other tower. After the second plane everyone knew it was not an accident. We were dismissed from work around noon. When I got home my dad called me to see if I was okay. I spent the rest of the day watching the reports on television.
I got up late. Didn’t even know it happened until I realized I wasn’t listening to a radio drama on NPR. On my way down University Blvd. I tuned into NPR and the news was covering the events as they unfolded. It took me several minutes to realize, accept, what had just happened. When I got to work and saw the building collapse I couldn’t believe my eyes. I was in shock. To this day I always think of the time before 9/11 as “before the walls fell.”
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lawhawk Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:58:08pm |
re: #9 Gus 802
The Towers and I grew up together; they were as old as I was. It was part of the landscape of NYC. It was always there, and always thought it would be there when I was long done.
Some said that the landmark of NYC was the Empire State Building and the Chrysler buildings; the WTC were the boxes they came in.
I regularly commuted through the WTC for a good part of 2000, and have now been commuting through the temporary PATH since locating near Ground Zero.
The Towers weren’t much loved when they were here. People complained about the size; the shadow; the bulk; the impersonal nature of the towers.
They weren’t much loved, until they were gone.
And then, they were gone like that in an instant and with them, nearly 3,000 souls were murdered in the blink of an eye.
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simoom Sat, Sep 10, 2011 6:59:49pm |
I’m not a fan of the Daily Mail, but I’ll make an exception and link to them tonight as they have up a nice collection of 1WTC photos:
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
A few samples:
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Kilroy01 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:05:40pm |
I’m on the west coast and first I knew anything had happened is when I turned on the car radio as I left for work. There is Imus talking about planes hitting both towers, which at the time I thought was some kind of stupid joke.
The first thing I did when I got to work, as we didn’t have a TV, was to try to log onto the World Trade Center website to see if it still worked. It was offline, and somehow it made it all seem real.
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TedStriker Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:08:36pm |
The end of Trading Places is how I’d rather remember the WTC, because the reality fucking blows.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:09:04pm |
Cripes. Some truther Tweet just went by my feed. Truthers — spit.
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lawhawk Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:09:23pm |
re: #18 Kilroy01
Was on a NJ Transit train with my dad when out of the corner of my eye all of a sudden saw a huge plume of smoke out of the North Tower. Didn’t know what happened, but called into the office to say I might be late b/c of an incident at the WTC (take PATH and you know what I’m talking about).
Turns out it was the understatement of a lifetime that it was an incident.
Finally did get into NYC to my office, where I ended up getting more news from places like the BBC or Jerusalem Post than local news sites b/c they were all overwhelmed with traffic, and I didn’t have a radio - didn’t need it (and many would end up losing radio and tv signals when the towers fell in any event).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:11:38pm |
I woke up in a Red Roof Inn in Charleston, SC.
I woke up and turned on the TV to the Today Show and Matt and Katie were talking about something going on at the World Trade Center. I looked at the top left of the screen saw the time; realizing that I had overslept.
Then? The second plane hit. I had only been awake for fifteen minutes or so.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:14:41pm |
This anniversary is slightly lightened by the knowledge that justice was served to the mastermind of these attacks, and the last thing he saw was the silhouette of a US Navy SEAL entering his bedroom, then the flash.
Al Qaeda is still out there but it is in its death throes. As we saw this spring, and to this day in Syria and Libya, the people of the Muslim world have found a way to address their grievances and control their own destiny. The days of the dictator and the terrorist are numbered. Their need for constant incitement against “the other” will disappear with them, and with it the demogagues, false prophets, and liars who drove those young men into the towers with their helpless captives.
We have won the war on terror.
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lawhawk Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:15:41pm |
All for the best - from Godspell - filmed as the Twin Towers were nearly complete.
It was years before Battery Park City was built - so you can see the towers in their entirety from street level.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:16:29pm |
They had the scale waaay off in this King Kong movie poster.
And? Airplanes? They were helicopters!
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Interesting Times Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:18:46pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Cripes. Some truther Tweet just went by my feed. Truthers — spit.
Speaking of truthers, just saw this on Facebook:
WOW Alex Jones commercials are airing on CNN state-side. SWEET
Is that right? He’s advertising on state-controlled media CNN? o_O
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Bubblehead II Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:21:36pm |
Night Lizards. Contemplate what I posted in my number 1.
Those who wish ill towards us, are still here.
When I first joined, I recall asking the Lizard Nation to take a look around as they drove to work. Just what would a terrorist agent be looking for?
I got, at best, ignored/ridiiculed. I now again ask the same question.
What in YOUR AREA is a potentinal “soft” target?
What would its destruction do to you?
Hint: Small hydro dams, Transmission lines, Telco Relay Stations, Refineries.
But as usual, this post will be ignored. That is until the the first HP transmission lines come crashing down and you don’t have the power to reply.
Sleep well Lizards.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:21:59pm |
re: #26 publicityStunted
Speaking of truthers, just saw this on Facebook:
Is that right? He’s advertising on
state-controlled mediaCNN? o_O
I’d have to check. I know those bird brains over at Hulu have been playing “Loose Change.” And as far as I know they’re still owned partially by News Corps.
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Four More Tears Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:22:12pm |
re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They had the scale waaay off in this King Kong movie poster.
And? Airplanes? They were helicopters!
Umm… did the word “original” mean something different back then? Back when they made the poster for a King Kong remake…?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:24:25pm |
I hope Ward Churchill has a bad day tomorrow.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:28:06pm |
CNN/Tea Party Republican debate on Monday. Woohoo! CNN? How’s that for irony considering how CNN and the Tea Party got along after the first few Tea Party protests.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:30:27pm |
Truther= Loser
Everything is unfolding as planned.
Thanks to Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and a host of others (many individual hosts in fact), the contrarian sociopaths and sadists who are drawn to conspiracy theories have felt safe in announcing themselves. They have been drawn out, revealing themselves all over the world. Their march to the mainstream will come to a screeching halt, as the black helicopter legions lift off from their bases and carriers and fan out in all directions.
Be afraid, truther dupes, be very afraid.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:31:41pm |
re: #21 lawhawk
Sister called at 6:30? LA time, to say her husband was OK, but I should turn the TV on. Did so, in time to watch the poor souls who jumped out or Tower 2, God Rest Them, and their families. I think people forget the families, in this sadness.
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CleoPatra Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:32:07pm |
I woke up that morning thinking that my life sucked. I hated my job, my friends and my family. I just wanted to get away from everyone and everything. I did make to work that day, an hour late, but I made it. I turned on my TV/Radio and listened to Diane Sawyer announce that a plane had hit one of the towers. I thought to myself, well that pilot is clearly an idiot. I had no idea that our country would be forever changed. I make sure that I don’t take my life for granted anymore. You just never know.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:35:42pm |
Jazz for Cows
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:36:21pm |
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel
Truther= Loser
Everything is unfolding as planned.
Thanks to Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and a host of others (many individual hosts in fact), the contrarian sociopaths and sadists who are drawn to conspiracy theories have felt safe in announcing themselves. They have been drawn out, revealing themselves all over the world. Their march to the mainstream will come to a screeching halt, as the black helicopter legions lift off from their bases and carriers and fan out in all directions.
Be afraid, truther dupes, be very afraid.
They don’t understand many things. They can’t accept the fact that these people could carry out such a heinous act. For instance before 9/11 you used to able to lock straight into the cockpit before, during and after the flight. Many flight crews would let you have a quick look if you asked nicely. It doesn’t take that much training to learn how to fly a 767 short of landing and taking off. It doesn’t take that much training and the hijackers also had single engine flight training under their belts. Anyway. It’s senseless debating those idiots. They’re wild eyed crazy cult members.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:37:44pm |
re: #27 Bubblehead II
What in YOUR AREA is a potentinal “soft” target?
If a hypothetical attack’s goal is symbolism and spectacle, there’s not much around here worth attacking.
If the goal is causing chaos, then detonating a bomb in the line for the security screening checkpoint at the airport would probably end commercial air travel as we know it. A car bomb outside an elementary school in Backwater Nowheresville would turn every school in the country into a prison.
It’s not something you should spend nights awake worrying about, though.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:39:30pm |
Ha! I got the typical response. I responded to his 1,400 engineer and architects Tweet:
@Gus_802 Gus
@ronaldjackson Experts? NIST: World Trade Center Disaster Study nist.gov/el/disasterstu… The 9-11 Commission Report gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html #LGF
So he responds with:
@ronaldjackson Ronald Jackson
@Gus_802 911 Commission Rept is USELESS—What good is a Commission Report that doesn’t even mention collapse of Building 7?—STAND UP for USA!
and
@ronaldjackson Ronald Jackson
@Gus_802 Obviously you didn’t bother to watch the info in the video: Where NIST was discredited by dozens of architects/engineers.
Oh brother.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:41:09pm |
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Interesting Times Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:44:46pm |
re: #39 negativ
If the goal is causing chaos
…hire this repairman?
The outage, traced to a botched maintenance procedure by an Arizona utility worker, left all of San Diego — California’s second most populous city — without power for at least seven hours and ranks as one of the biggest U.S. blackouts in recent history.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:45:25pm |
Depeche Mode made a promotional video for the WTC back in 1990 using Enjoy the Silence. Chilling song to go along with the silence now at Ground Zero:
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thedopefishlives Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:48:30pm |
Evening Lizardim.
re: #40 Gus 802
Got a tip for ya: If you like going around in circles, probably better to find a merry-go-round for ya, if you know what I’m saying.
;)
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:50:32pm |
re: #44 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim.
Got a tip for ya: If you like going around in circles, probably better to find a merry-go-round for ya, if you know what I’m saying.
;)
Yeah. I told him “I’ll leave it at that” and to “have a good night anyway.” He’s still Tweeting me.
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thedopefishlives Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:51:39pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
They don’t understand many things. They can’t accept the fact that these people could carry out such a heinous act.
The sad thing is, they have absolutely no problem thinking that OTHER people carried out an act even MORE heinous than what already occurred. It’s confirmation bias raised to the level of a true mental disorder, coupled with naive gullibility.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:52:43pm |
It’s one thing to think that 9/11 played well into the hands of cynical bastards like Cheney and Rove. It’s another thing to say and think that they made or let it happen on purpose.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:55:46pm |
Good Night to my fellow Lizards. And a special prayer to all of those who lost loved ones in the 9/11 sttacks.
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McSpiff Sat, Sep 10, 2011 7:59:22pm |
I was in grade 8. Class has been postponed after the first attack, but they were pulling out kids with parents that might have had parents in the towers that day. Sometime after the second tower fell they called for a special assembly. No word of a lie, walking down the hall I commented to a schoolmate something to the effect of “I bet this is what Pearl Harbour felt like”. Hadn’t heard anything about the attacks, maybe I was just picking up on the feeling of the faculty. Nearly fell over when the headmaster said there had been suicide attacks in NYC.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:02:42pm |
re: #48 Virginia Plain
It’s one thing to think that 9/11 played well into the hands of cynical bastards like Cheney and Rove. It’s another thing to say and think that they made or let it happen on purpose.
True. I don’t think of Rove and Cheney as bastards, but your point is well taken.
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thedopefishlives Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:08:55pm |
I’ve posted my story before, it’s pretty simple. I was a senior in high school. It was a clear and cloudless day in northwest Indiana at the little rural school I attended. After my first period class, I stopped at my locker to get my books for my next few classes. I heard whispering in the hall around the classroom door about the WTC, and figured that the TV the teacher had on was showing a documentary about the ‘93 bombings. Just then, the teacher emerged from the classroom and told the teacher in the room next door, “Did you see that?! Another one just hit!” My stomach sank and I bolted into the classroom just in time to see Flight 175 plow into the south tower. When I got home that night, my dad met me at the door and we headed down to the gas station to fuel our family’s fleet of pickups. Too late. The line was nearly 2.5 miles long by that point. I watched the President’s address live from the Radio Shack display we had in the hardware store where I worked. It wasn’t until much later that I realized how utterly eerie it was to live in the shadow of O’Hare’s flight path, but not see any planes.
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:09:56pm |
I was in the Philippines, and mom woke me up about 10ish and the first tower was already gone.
Fuck. That kind of thing never leaves you.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:11:54pm |
My unit was just getting back into our office from morning PT when we first heard the news. When it first came in, we thought when they said a plane hit one of the towers, they meant like some student pilot in a cesna or something like that. Then we got word of a second plane. By the time we heard about the Pentagon, we were already going into a security lockdown, all other business cancelled, phones and internet for mission critical operations only. I wasn’t able to get in touch with my wife until that afternoon and we didn’t see any of the video till that evening after we verfied everything was secured and we set up shifts for a 24 hour rotation.
I remember with the whole base on lockdown, around 4 oclock in the afternoon, we started getting hits on a porn site on our network sniffers. Some SNCO who was stuck in a warehouse had gotten bored and decided on 9/11 to spend his afternoon surfing porn. We notified our CO, and we heard within 30 minutes, the base CG had him arrested by the MPs.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:13:37pm |
Lawhawk you might also be interested in this if you haven’t seen it already.
RUTGERS LAW REVIEW
A New Type of War
The Story of the FAA and NORAD Response to the September 11, 2001 Attacks
PREFACE
1. THE FAA AND NORAD
1.1 FAA Mission and Structure
1.2 NORAD Mission and Structure2. PROTOCOLS FOR RESPONDING TO HIJACKINGS
3. THE OPERATIONAL FACTS OF 9/11
4. AMERICAN 11
4.1 FAA Awareness
4.2 Military Notification and Response
4.3 Commission Findings and Assessment5. UNITED 175
5.1 FAA Awareness
5.2 Military Notification and Response
5.3 Commission Findings and Assessment6. AMERICAN 77
6.1 FAA Awareness
6.2 Confusion Concerning the Fate of American 77
6.3 Military Notification and Response
6.4 Commission Findings and Assessment7. ANOTHER MISTAKEN REPORT: DELTA FLIGHT 1989
8. UNITED 93
8.1 FAA Awareness
8.2 Military Notification and Response
8.3 Commission Findings and Assessment9. THE IMPACT OF INACCURATE STATEMENTS
10. CONCLUSION
FULL AUDIO TRANSCRIPT
Download Monograph
Download Full Audio Transcript
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:14:49pm |
Allegro’s #136 post this morning was heartbreaking, by the way. If you haven’t seen it? You should.
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McSpiff Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:18:02pm |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Allegro’s #136 post this morning was heartbreaking, by the way. If you haven’t seen it? You should.
Which thread?
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:18:12pm |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Went back and checked it out.
Totally just sticking to here and the vidya gaems tomorrow. :(
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McSpiff Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:19:11pm |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Allegro’s #136 post this morning was heartbreaking, by the way. If you haven’t seen it? You should.
Just found it. Damn. Heartbreaking is right.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:19:29pm |
I was going into a training class at Sprint’s in Oak Brook, IL* I was just walking through the lobby when one of my fellow trainees told me what was happening. I didn’t believe it till I got up to Sprint’s offices and heard it for myself on the radio. The class ended up canceled, and I went home. I didn’t really get details until I reached the Northwestern Station downtown (since renamed) and purchased a special supplement of the Chicago Tribune. I didn’t see any of the footage till I got home.
My most vivid memory was actually that night. Fox News showed Kabul under fire from Northern Alliance rockets. I remember thinking: “Get used to it you bastards, because there’s gonna be a Hell of a lot more of that headed your way soon.”
* I later worked for Sprint in 2008-2010, but my employment with them in 2001 was brief. I started only a week before 9/11. My manager was fired in October and he had been the driving force behind my hiring I was let go (I was still in my probationary period).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:19:38pm |
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McSpiff Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:22:31pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
I can still remember when they first started showing the cruise missiles, B-52s, etc hitting Afganistan. All the guys were online, just cheering.
I probably wouldn’t have that reaction today, but I was young and scared that night, wether I knew it or not.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:23:57pm |
Lets see if this works…
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Awesomely sad post.
{{Allegro}}
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:26:55pm |
Wow. Michigan just came back from 24-7 with a go ahead touchdown just now. 28-24. Howabout that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:27:34pm |
re: #65 Floral Giraffe
Nope. I don’t know how to do that either.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:28:01pm |
re: #65 Floral Giraffe
Lets see if this works…
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]Awesomely sad post.
{{Allegro}}
It only pulled up the thread, Floral, not an individual post.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:28:15pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
23. 083922 NEADS Weapons and MCC Battle Stations
[Background] Weapons Position: (Indistinct).
Deskins: Hey Nasty, lookin’ for assets (indistinct) lat long
Weapons Position: Real world hijack. You got it.
Weapons Position: (Indistinct) yep. Once we, ah, once he comes into our radar, we will,
we’ll be takin’ it, give me those slides quick.
Deskins: Four one one five north, zero seven eight four six west
Weapons Position: (Indistinct) make sure you know what’s goin’ on. Real world hijack,
forty mi—forty miles north of Kennedy.
Deskins: (Indistinct)
Weapons Position: Otis on battle stations.
Weapons Position: Putting Otis on battle stations.
24. 084000 AA11 Panta 45 Battle Stations Cape Tape
Tower: Tower is on.
Approach: Cape Approach is on.
Powell: Giant Killer.
Giant Killer: Giant Killer.
Powell: This is Huntress placing Panta four five, four six on battle stations, I repeat
battle stations, time one two four one, authenticate hotel romeo, all parties acknowledge
with initials. Command Post.
Powell: Giant Killer, Tower.
Tower: (Indistinct).
Powell: Approach.
Approach: Tango Juliet and say again the call sign
Powell: Panta, papa alfa november tango alfa, four five, four six
Approach: (Indistinct).
Powell: Juliet Papa, all parties are cleared to drop.
25. 084259 NEADS SOCC Work to Scramble
Foxy: I’ve never seen so much real world stuff happen during an exercise
[Background] Unknown: (Indistinct).
Foxy: Steve, lat long, forty one.
Unknown: Right
Unknown: What was that?
[Background] Unknown: two nine zero (indistinct).
Foxy: Ok. Find this guy.
Nasypany: Yeah, forty one.
Nasypany: Yeah, we’re puttin’ it in.
[Background] Unknown: Fourteen forty threeContinues.
27. 084555 NEADS Powell Otis Scramble
Command Post: Command Post up
Giant Killer: Giant Killer’s on
Powell: Approach
Approach: Approach is on.
Powell: This is Huntress with an active air defense scramble for Panta four five, four six.
Time, one two four six. Authenticate delta x-ray. Scramble immediately, Panta four
five, four six, heading two eight zero, flight level two niner zero. Contact Huntress on
frequency two two eight decimal niner. Backup three six four decimal two. All parties
acknowledge with initials. Command Post.
Command Post: Mike Kilo
Tower: (Indistinct).
Approach: Tango Julliet.
Giant Killer: (Indistinct).
Powell: All parties are cleared to drop, Juliet Papa here.
28. 084629 NEADS CC Summary for BC 25 Miles Z Point
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Interesting Times Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:28:56pm |
re: #65 Floral Giraffe
Here’s the direct link: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
You need to click the comment’s number to open it in a new tab/window, and then post that URL (or, if a post is already in Top Comments, clicking the commenter’s name as it appears in the Top 10 list will give you the comment’s direct link).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:30:24pm |
re: #70 publicityStunted
I’d love for her to wake up in the morning with the top rated post.
So sayeth the ding whore.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:30:42pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
They interviewed Nasty and the other guy on NPR on Thursday. They said there was no command to shoot down the second plane heading for the second tower. We are much more prepared for this type of attack now then we were then, that’s the point Nasty wanted to make.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:32:23pm |
re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow. Michigan just came back from 24-7 with a go ahead touchdown just now. 28-24. Howabout that.
Then Notre Dame came right back down and scored again. 31-28… Holy cow!
I could care less about the teams, but; hey! It’s football!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:33:24pm |
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Steve Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:34:16pm |
I was coming home from work when I heard and turned on the TV to watch because I could not believe it.
Tonight I am at work and will get off at 0600 and drive home again. Not looking forward to it. It is going to be a long night.
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:34:27pm |
In a little bit of good news, I’m done with the temp job as Free Samples guy at Safeway, and the manager there is gonna call the guy that interviewed me and see what he can do about getting me into one nearer to my current residence.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:36:50pm |
re: #73 prairiefire
They interviewed Nasty and the other guy on NPR on Thursday. They said there was no command to shoot down the second plane heading for the second tower. We are much more prepared for this type of attack now then we were then, that’s the point Nasty wanted to make.
Understandable. Up until then no one would have thought that hijackers would have crashed an airliner into a building. Let alone the WTC and which ended up kill nearly 3,000 people. I’m sure there was a lot of reluctance already and doubt by the fighter pilots having to even think of the possibility of shooting down an airliner filled with passengers.
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:37:03pm |
re: #79 laZardo
Also met what is probably a “Person of Walmart” while sampling. A Canadian hunched-over super-geek who literally changed his name to “Max Power” and never refers to “American” without “imperialist” following. Really surprised one of my co-workers by railing against NPR, and from a card that another showed me it is likely he is a bit of a conspiracy nut.
He did enjoy the chocolate chip cookies though. And his dad - who was always in store with him - is actually pretty nice.
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Gus Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:39:30pm |
re: #74 prairiefire
They took off from the base at Cape Cod.
And of course all of this recent audio and transcripts points to the absurdity of the 911 truther cult. I doubt it will result in many conversions but I’m sure they’ll be quite a few that will start to rethink their positions and participation in this cult.
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Interesting Times Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:42:18pm |
re: #82 Gus 802
And of course all of this recent audio and transcripts points to the absurdity of the 911 truther cult. I doubt it will result in many conversions but I’m sure they’ll be quite a few that will start to rethink their positions and participation in this cult.
Nope. Every new revelation just gets twisted into yet another part of the conspiracy (thinking back to Japan earthquakes, when video of buildings swaying in Tokyo was cited as “proof” the towers couldn’t have collapsed as they did)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:48:19pm |
re: #83 publicityStunted
Nope. Every new revelation just gets twisted into yet another part of the conspiracy (thinking back to Japan earthquakes, when video of buildings swaying in Tokyo was cited as “proof” the towers couldn’t have collapsed as they did)
Indeed. I think Johnathon Kay had the right of it in his book on conspiracy theories in North America, Among the Truthers. He argued that conspiracy thinking is a sign of “a mind in flight from reality”. You can’t cure that sort of problem with plain facts; You need to treat the underlying cause of the refusal to accept reality.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:49:22pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
You need to treat the underlying cause of the refusal to accept reality.
The Illuminati?
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Steve Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:50:04pm |
re: #83 publicityStunted
Nope. Every new revelation just gets twisted into yet another part of the conspiracy (thinking back to Japan earthquakes, when video of buildings swaying in Tokyo was cited as “proof” the towers couldn’t have collapsed as they did)
Some of these nuts can be quite entertaining in their insanity. I remember watching one on youtube show his proof that fire could not bring down the WTC. He placed a lit can of sterno in a wire mesh cage with a brick on top to prove his point. I was chuckling about this for days.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:51:05pm |
re: #86 Steve
Some of these nuts can be quite entertaining in their insanity. I remember watching one on youtube show his proof that fire could not bring down the WTC. He placed a lit can of sterno in a wire mesh cage with a brick on top to prove his point. I was chuckling about this for days.
“FIRE CAN’T MELT STEEL!”
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Steve Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:52:38pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Do the steel mills know this?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:53:12pm |
Goodnight knuckleheads!
I only hate troofers more than I hate hippies. And I really hate hippies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:53:22pm |
re: #83 publicityStunted
Nope. Every new revelation just gets twisted into yet another part of the conspiracy (thinking back to Japan earthquakes, when video of buildings swaying in Tokyo was cited as “proof” the towers couldn’t have collapsed as they did)
Because an earthquake underneath, which the building was designed to withstand, is exactly the same as a passenger plane crashing directly into.
All things that impact tall buildings are the same, and the building should react identically.
What ever became of the guy who built a fire under a rabbit cage to show how steel doesn’t melt?
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:54:33pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Goodnight knuckleheads!
I only hate troofers more than I hate hippies. And I really hate hippies.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST PEOPLE SPEAKING OUT AND oh goodnight q;
Edit: i hate hipsters even more
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:55:28pm |
re: #89 Steve
Do the steel mills know this?
And really, what the hell are they using in there? Magic?
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Atlas Fails Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:56:06pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Goodnight knuckleheads!
I only hate troofers more than I hate hippies. And I really hate hippies.
God knows I don’t want to be the one to defend hippies, but they were something of a blind squirrel finding the proverbial nut on issues like Vietnam and civil rights (although their motives for the Vietnam opposition were questionable.)
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:57:05pm |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
And really, what the hell are they using in there? Magic?
Miracles.
/fucking implosions, how do they work!
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Steve Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:58:34pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Goodnight knuckleheads!
I only hate troofers more than I hate hippies. And I really hate hippies.
I am at work until 0600. So have a good nights sleep.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:58:41pm |
I remember that for days after the attacks, people would walk around downtown San Francisco looking up. No one looks up in a downtown area with tall buildings, but we were all looking. If you heard a plane, people would get jumpy.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:58:49pm |
I was just talking with my mother this evening about 9/11, about how it and other “Where Were You?” events are something of a modern phenomena. The conclusion I reached was that such events are so talked about because of how the world, physically or culturally, changed after it happened. Before 1969, a man on the moon was a dream, not a reality, and the danger of space travel not really clear before 1986 saw the destruction of the shuttle Challenger. Before 1989, we never imagined a world where the Berlin Wall did not stand, or a world where the Soviet Union did not exist before 1991. And before September 11th, 2001, we never believed we’d know a world where the World Trade Center did not occupy the New York skyline. Or where terrorism was something that happened “over there,” the events of the day the subject of Hollywood action films rather than grim reality.
I know it sounds a bit materialistic, but it also dawned on me that I’ll likely follow my folks in remembering a time when gas was “cheap.” I grew up hearing about a time when gas above $1/gal was highway robbery, and now find myself remembering a time when $2/gal was grounds for accusations of price gouging. *sigh*
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:00:32pm |
re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember that for days after the attacks, people would walk around downtown San Francisco looking up. No one looks up in a downtown area with tall buildings, but we were all looking. If you heard a plane, people would get jumpy.
The flight path for San Diego has planes fly right over down town to land. Every time I see one come in, I imagine it hitting one of the downtown high rises.
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:00:38pm |
i was gonna build an 102 story skyscraper and fly an airliner into it to test the theories but my cousin is coming over this weekend
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:02:18pm |
re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The flight path for San Diego has planes fly right over down town to land. Every time I see one come in, I imagine it hitting one of the downtown high rises.
Crap, I know that airport. You sort of have to veer around something to land. It always scares me.
Never imagined what it looked like from the ground.
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:03:35pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
Crap, I know that airport. You sort of have to veer around something to land. It always scares me.
Never imagined what it looked like from the ground.
From where I live I can see planes making their approach to SeaTac. Whoa.
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Steve Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:04:23pm |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
And really, what the hell are they using in there? Magic?
I had to describe to one of my chemisty profs about how we make SHFW (super high filtered water) and in the middle of my diagram I put a little box with the letters ‘MH’. After the lecture he asked me what the two letters stood for (since I had skipped over it in my discription) and when I told him he almost flunked me for the day.
“Why”, said I, “that is where the magic happens.”
That was 18 years ago and we are still friends to this day.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:06:02pm |
re: #95 laZardo
Miracles.
/fucking implosions, how do they work!
I am given to understand that magnets are involved.
//
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Steve Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:06:23pm |
Oops, gotta run. I have an alarm on one of my pieces of equipment. Will be back.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:06:40pm |
re: #103 Steve
I had to describe to one of my chemisty profs about how we make SHFW (super high filtered water) and in the middle of my diagram I put a little box with the letters ‘MH’. After the lecture he asked me what the two letters stood for (since I had skipped over it in my discription) and when I told him he almost flunked me for the day.
“Why”, said I, “that is where the magic happens.”
That was 18 years ago and we are still friends to this day.
Whenever we had a comm problem that mysteriously fixed itself and an officer wanted an answer of what the fix was, we told them we had to reset the FM circuit.
FM = Fucking Magic
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:18:10pm |
Of course, we also had an officer who asked us to find out why the text on his screen went up when he hit the down arrow on his keyboard.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:19:35pm |
re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Of course, we also had an officer who asked us to find out why the text on his screen went up when he hit the down arrow on his keyboard.
To quote the ever wise Ron White, “You can’t fix stupid.”
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:23:07pm |
re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Of course, we also had an officer who asked us to find out why the text on his screen went up when he hit the down arrow on his keyboard.
many years ago i got a call from a new admin who had been told to enter data into a new excel spreadsheet and asked me where we kept the new ones
i was tempted to look into a desk drawer and declare we had run out
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:28:47pm |
re: #109 engineer dog
many years ago i got a call from a new admin who had been told to enter data into a new excel spreadsheet and asked me where we kept the new ones
i was tempted to look into a desk drawer and declare we had run out
Well, that’s just tech stupid, not completely stupid. I’ve had to walk a good number of co-workers through using Excel in my time.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:30:20pm |
re: #109 engineer dog
many years ago i got a call from a new admin who had been told to enter data into a new excel spreadsheet and asked me where we kept the new ones
i was tempted to look into a desk drawer and declare we had run out
Summer job when I was in high school
Worked for Eastern Airlines cleaning planes, both inside and out
2nd day on the job, the foreman told me to go over to another airlines hanger and get the “skyhook” that he had lent them. Of course, that airline told me they gave it to the next hanger, who told me THEY sent it over to the next one, and so forth and so on
for two days!!
Hey ,,, I’m 17 ,,,, PLANES ,,, “skyhook” sounded plausible,,
And of course, except fpr the “new guy”, the entire airport is in on the gag
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:32:30pm |
re: #111 sattv4u2
Summer job when I was in high school
Worked for Eastern Airlines cleaning planes, both inside and out
2nd day on the job, the foreman told me to go over to another airlines hanger and get the “skyhook” that he had lent them. Of course, that airline told me they gave it to the next hanger, who told me THEY sent it over to the next one, and so forth and so on
for two days!!
Hey ,,, I’m 17 ,,, PLANES ,,, “skyhook” sounded plausible,,
And of course, except fpr the “new guy”, the entire airport is in on the gag
ah, the skyhook
once many decades ago in summer camp i got sent to look for a ‘left handed smoke shifter’
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:33:08pm |
re: #112 engineer dog
ah, the skyhook
once many decades ago in summer camp i got sent to look for a ‘left handed smoke shifter’
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:33:20pm |
re: #112 engineer dog
ah, the skyhook
once many decades ago in summer camp i got sent to look for a ‘left handed smoke shifter’
:)
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:33:22pm |
re: #111 sattv4u2
Summer job when I was in high school
Worked for Eastern Airlines cleaning planes, both inside and out
2nd day on the job, the foreman told me to go over to another airlines hanger and get the “skyhook” that he had lent them. Of course, that airline told me they gave it to the next hanger, who told me THEY sent it over to the next one, and so forth and so on
for two days!!
Hey ,,, I’m 17 ,,, PLANES ,,, “skyhook” sounded plausible,,
And of course, except fpr the “new guy”, the entire airport is in on the gag
Yeah, I’ll get to finding it after I’ve found some “gig line” and some “relative bearing grease.”
//
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Four More Tears Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:44:14pm |
Okay, I just watched the Herman Cain 9/11 “tribute.” wtf dude? wtf…
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:45:59pm |
re: #112 engineer dog
ah, the skyhook
once many decades ago in summer camp i got sent to look for a ‘left handed smoke shifter’
My primary masters thesis advisor used to convince his less talented undergrad students that they needed to process their film in “focusing fluid.” They’d go down to Samy’s and ask for it.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:51:18pm |
re: #117 goddamnedfrank
My primary masters thesis advisor used to convince his less talented undergrad students that they needed to process their film in “focusing fluid.” They’d go down to Samy’s and ask for it.
Let see, in my time, I have sent the new guy out for:
A can of back blast for a AT-4
50ft of flight line
a blank fire adapter for a 9mm pistol
keys to the Humvee
a box of grid squares
looking for dropped packets around the satellite dish with a pair of NVGs
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Four More Tears Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:53:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:55:37pm |
Odd, what people hang on to. A friend of a friend collects souvenir spoons. She now has a special case for the one she bought in the gift shop at the WTC.
Me, I’ve got an envelope that was returned to my office a couple weeks after the attack, with Post Office stamps telling me it was undeliverable.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:56:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 9:57:26pm |
Looks like we just had a troll meltdown. I’ll get this one into the freezer till Monday, when it can be properly roasted.
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:00:50pm |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
Looks like we just had a troll meltdown. I’ll get this one into the freezer till Monday, when it can be properly roasted.
It all happened while I was in the shower? Dang, I seem to miss everything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:01:47pm |
Huh? I don’t remember what that post said, even.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:05:31pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
Huh? I don’t remember what that post said, even?
We can imagine
Registered since: Sep 10, 2011 at 9:39 pm
No. of comments posted: 3
No. of Pages posted: 1
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:10:52pm |
Evening all!
How do you temporarily hide the desktop icons on a macbook?
How is everyone?
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:11:51pm |
re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Let see, in my time, I have sent the new guy out for:
A can of back blast for a AT-4
50ft of flight line
a blank fire adapter for a 9mm pistol
keys to the Humvee
a box of grid squares
looking for dropped packets around the satellite dish with a pair of NVGs
You forgot 50 yards of Fallopian Tubing.
:0
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:14:59pm |
re: #128 ggt
Evening all!
How do you temporarily hide the desktop icons on a macbook?
How is everyone?
Sorry, but you’re exceeding your question quota
Please pick one or the other
(not that I would be able to answer either!!)
//
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:15:46pm |
re: #128 ggt
Evening all!
How do you temporarily hide the desktop icons on a macbook?
How is everyone?
I got it figured-out, all by myself!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:15:54pm |
re: #129 ggt
You forgot 50 yards of Fallopian Tubing.
:0
Not my department.
One rule, never send a guy our for a PRC E-7. He might find one.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:16:04pm |
re: #130 sattv4u2
Sorry, but you’re exceeding your question quota
Please pick one or the other
(not that I would be able to answer either!!)
//
How is everyone?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:17:33pm |
re: #133 ggt
How is everyone?
in here,,, or the entire world??
(obviously, one of those will take a LOT longer to answer!!)
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:25:01pm |
This is beyond belief. I think psyc treatment is in order!
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:25:15pm |
re: #134 sattv4u2
in here,,, or the entire world??
(obviously, one of those will take a LOT longer to answer!!)
Lizards only, please respond.
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:31:15pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:31:25pm |
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:31:38pm |
What is everyone out partying on a Saturday Night —is it Just All Right for Fighting?
Or is it me?
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:32:17pm |
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:38:33pm |
re: #139 ggt
What is everyone out partying on a Saturday Night —is it Just All Right for Fighting?
Or is it me?
i had a liittle elective surgery thursday, so i am propped up in front of the teevee nursing my stiches, watching nature shows, and getting the bitmask to turn log messages on and off properly on the new device
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laZardo Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:38:59pm |
re: #135 ggt
This is beyond belief. I think psyc treatment is in order!
I thought I told WUB to stop perching on her mailbox every morning.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:42:53pm |
re: #135 ggt
This is beyond belief. I think psyc treatment is in order!
When there were two men relaxing at the side of the pool unnaturally close to each other, effeminately rubbing elbows and exchanging doe-eyes, I was again anxiously watching my children hoping they wouldn’t ask questions. They don’t see Daddy do that with anyone but Mommy.
The elbows are probably the sign they use to indicate hot chicks for scoping to each other.
‘Effeminately rubbing elbows’? I’ve seen men embrace, kiss, hold hands, pat each other’s asses, and whack one another with riding crops. I have never seen two men rub elbows, either effeminately, or in a macho manner. Nor have I ever rubbed elbows with my husband, or indeed, any of the men or women I have ever dated.
Would I recognize what she’s talking about if I actually saw it?
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:43:37pm |
re: #142 laZardo
I thought I told WUB to stop perching on her mailbox every morning.
/
Self-imposed exile from reality:
(from the link from the Pages)
Do you think knowing this happened about seven miles from my home makes me afraid to leave the house? You bet it does. But that just adds to everything else I’m being asked to tolerate. Seriously, is this freedom?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:44:46pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
When there were two men relaxing at the side of the pool unnaturally close to each other, effeminately rubbing elbows and exchanging doe-eyes, I was again anxiously watching my children hoping they wouldn’t ask questions. They don’t see Daddy do that with anyone but Mommy.
The elbows are probably the sign they use to indicate hot chicks for scoping to each other.
‘Effeminately rubbing elbows’? I’ve seen men embrace, kiss, hold hands, pat each other’s asses, and whack one another with riding crops. I have never seen two men rub elbows, either effeminately, or in a macho manner. Nor have I ever rubbed elbows with my husband, or indeed, any of the men or women I have ever dated.
Would I recognize what she’s talking about if I actually saw it?
I’ve also seen men link arms while doing country-western dancing, but I would describe that as ‘hooking’ elbows, not ‘rubbing’.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:44:57pm |
Huh, I step out and come back to find that a troll self-destructed. Any clue who it was or will we have to check dental records?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:46:42pm |
re: #146 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Huh, I step out and come back to find that a troll self-destructed. And clue who it was or will we have to check dental records?
Relegated forever to the netherworld of the net vortex
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:47:23pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:47:58pm |
re: #147 sattv4u2
Relegated forever to the netherworld of the net vortex
Another name for the Dishonor Roll. No big loss.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:52:27pm |
I particularly like the part of the rant about the gay men raising two ‘assembled’ daughters.
Actually I don’t. That part makes me queasy.
I feel bad for this woman’s kids. If she wants to teach them that abortion and IVF and needle exchange and gay people and illegal immigrants having traffic accidents are all bad, I can’t stop her, but she seriously needs to think about whether raising them thinking of Massachusetts as a dangerous and unholy place where you can’t leave the house except to go to church is going to produce purity, or merely paranoia. But I think she’s too far gone to understand the difference.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:54:00pm |
FANTASTIC response in the comments:
Being a scientist, a catholic, a stay-at-home mother, etc. all have no bearing on the fact that you are a naive, ignorant bigot.
“My young daughters are all under the age of eight and they are not old enough to understand why a baby would have two women calling themselves “mommies”.”
Why not? Sounds to me like you are underestimating your daughters’ ability to cope with the world around them and process information. Don’t project your own failings as an understanding and tolerant human being onto them, please — they are going to suffer for it when they grow up to be as bigoted and hate-filled as you are.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:55:45pm |
re: #141 engineer dog
i had a liittle elective surgery thursday, so i am propped up in front of the teevee nursing my stiches, watching nature shows, and getting the bitmask to turn log messages on and off properly on the new device
Boob augmentation?
:)
Seriously, glad you made it thru and are on the mend.
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simoom Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:58:26pm |
From thinkprogress’s yfrog, here’s a scan of a Romney for President flier that goes after Perry on Social Security:
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Four More Tears Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:01:42pm |
re: #153 simoom
From thinkprogress’s yfrog, here’s a scan of a Romney for President flier that goes after Perry on Social Security:
I’m trying to muster a smidge of compassion for Perry, but I just can’t do it. He made his bed.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:01:47pm |
re: #153 simoom
From thinkprogress’s yfrog, here’s a scan of a Romney for President flier that goes after Perry on Social Security:
Heh, the rest of the pack is set to gang up on the new poll leader. I really need to invest in more popcorn.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:06:45pm |
re: #154 JasonA
I’m trying to muster a smidge of compassion for Perry, but I just can’t do it. He made his bed.
He doesn’t seem to project the kind of person that wants compassion.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:08:30pm |
re: #146 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Huh, I step out and come back to find that a troll self-destructed. Any clue who it was or will we have to check dental records?
No ID. I’ve chucked the troll into the freezer and it’ll be grilled on Monday.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:08:58pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
No ID. I’ve chucked the troll into the freezer and it’ll be grilled on Monday.
With Garlic!
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Four More Tears Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:09:57pm |
re: #157 ggt
He doesn’t seem to project the kind of person that wants compassion.
To be honest I lied. I wasn’t really trying.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:10:44pm |
re: #160 JasonA
To be honest I lied. I wasn’t really trying.
I get the idea he confuses fear with love and respect.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:13:00pm |
re: #159 ggt
With Garlic!
No garlic this time. I’m going to use low-sodium soy sauce instead. The troll meat will be cut into pieces and served family style with rice noodles.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:17:40pm |
re: #162 Dark_Falcon
No garlic this time. I’m going to use low-sodium soy sauce instead. The troll meat will be cut into pieces and served family style with rice noodles.
fine. I FBV and I won’t be eating any anyway.
:)
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simoom Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:37:24pm |
Malibu, CA - 9/11 Flag Memorial Photos:
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 12:45:29am |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
She also needs to stay out of Thailand. There is an expression there of “Keep it under the mosquito net.” And there is only one place for a mosquito net.
Hand holding between a male and a female is/was considered improper public conduct. However, hand holding between male/male or female/female is regarded as proper and not a sign of same sex attraction. That used to be part of the military in-briefing when we got to Thailand. Most likely the same in some of the other countries in that area.
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freetoken Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:06:56am |
re: #169 dell*nix
Most likely the same in some of the other countries in that area.
Used to be in Japan public expressions of affection (other than obviously walking more closely together than most 2 people) were discouraged.
But… the young people of today hardly showed such inhibition (but they rarely go beyond hand-holding or little pecks). I did come across at times some proudly-Westernized middle age couple who were more affectionate in public.
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:12:27am |
re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Let see, in my time, I have sent the new guy out for:
A can of back blast for a AT-4
50ft of flight line
a blank fire adapter for a 9mm pistol
keys to the Humvee
a box of grid squares
looking for dropped packets around the satellite dish with a pair of NVGs
When I was in the Navy, fresh out of “A” School, I got sent around the base for a fuse repair kit.
As everybody got their chuckles in at poor l’il Bong, I — quite indignantly and defensive to the end — demanded to know “If I’m such an idiot, how come I just got to spend the entire day not working?”
The answer, of course, was more laughter.
A week later, I did not fall for it when they tried to send me around the base for 50 feet of Fallopian Tubing.
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boxhead Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:17:35am |
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:21:01am |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I particularly like the part of the rant about the gay men raising two ‘assembled’ daughters.
Actually I don’t. That part makes me queasy.
I feel bad for this woman’s kids. If she wants to teach them that abortion and IVF and needle exchange and gay people and illegal immigrants having traffic accidents are all bad, I can’t stop her, but she seriously needs to think about whether raising them thinking of Massachusetts as a dangerous and unholy place where you can’t leave the house except to go to church is going to produce purity, or merely paranoia. But I think she’s too far gone to understand the difference.
Maybe I’m being a little irrelevant here, but:
My niece, the product of a “broken” home, got married this summer in a very lovely ceremony in a small coastal Maine town.
She was walked down the aisle by her dad, who my sister divorced when Katie was three, and her stepfather, who is still married to my sister.
I’ll be damned if it wasn’t the coolest thing I ever saw.
When I later asked her dad about it, he shrugged and smiled and said, “It’s her day, and it’s what she wanted.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:22:38am |
An English-language song with Percy Bysshe Shelley’s lyrics performed by an Iranian singer for a 1970s Soviet rock album:
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 1:28:59am |
re: #129 ggt
You forgot 50 yards of Fallopian Tubing.
:0
Well, damn.
See my 172.
I’m *always* late to the party.
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freetoken Sun, Sep 11, 2011 2:12:17am |
re: #173 boxhead
Do you host the audio clip, or can you upload them here?
[Video]
??
On can embed mp3 links here.
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freetoken Sun, Sep 11, 2011 2:14:28am |
And, the mp3 files usually have much better quality sound than Youtube or Vimeo clips. E.g.:
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boxhead Sun, Sep 11, 2011 2:20:44am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 2:37:00am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:12:39am |
Wow, I just skimmed through that Transanchovie blog. She’s something from under a rock.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:20:03am |
re: #175 Sergey Romanov
An English-language song with Percy Bysshe Shelley’s lyrics performed by an Iranian singer for a 1970s Soviet rock album:
[Video]
The same guy, Mehrdad “Mark” Badie:
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Dire Straits Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:26:49am |
re: #167 laZardo
Gonna head to bed.
Also FUCK THE TWOOFERS.
:3
You mean Charlie Sheen, Willie Nelson, Jeese Ventura, Alex Jones, and Rosie o’Donnell? Yeah I agree!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:28:06am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:35:53am |
re: #185 Sergey Romanov
Wouldn’t touch them with a 10-foot pole, much less fuck’em!
///
How about a 6 foot Dane ,,, or a 5’ 7” Italian!?!?!
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:50:44am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 3:53:52am |
re: #187 Varek Raith
Thanks, but I prefer reality to start the healing
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:03:05am |
re: #188 sattv4u2
At least they didn’t say “Rot in hell, motherfucker”. I would’ve said “Rot in hell, motherfucker”.
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:03:29am |
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Dire Straits Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:03:38am |
re: #185 Sergey Romanov
Wouldn’t touch them with a 10-foot pole, much less fuck’em!
///
Every one of them is almost certifiable.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:03:53am |
Playstation Network hacked.
One week later? Osama Bin Dead.
Coincidence? I think not…
Image: BIN%20LADEN%20PLAYSTATION.jpg
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:12:08am |
re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
At least they didn’t say “Rot in hell, motherfucker”. I would’ve said “Rot in hell, motherfucker”.
‘morning, my brother!
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:12:51am |
re: #188 sattv4u2
Thanks, but I prefer reality to start the healing
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Just reading the comments for that. There was a heavy dose of “it’s really our fault, we created OBL, blowback, fighting our foreign policy, etc.”
I have some questions for these folks.
Why are we the only truly evil people in the world, the final cause of all events, and the only ones capable of acting from purely nefarious motives? Indeed, why are our people the only ones who can be duped? If GWB and the “corporate media” can brainwash the American people into accepting an imperialist war for a gas pipeline, why can’t mullahs with near absolute power similarly brainwash, say, Iranians to support a global terrorist campaign?
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:13:26am |
re: #176 BongCrodny
Ever go for a bucket of prop wash? Or a left handed monkey wrench?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:14:38am |
re: #195 Shiplord Kirel
Just reading the comments for that. There was a heavy dose of “it’s really our fault, we created OBL, blowback, fighting our foreign policy, etc.”
I have some questions for these folks.
Why are we the only truly evil people in the world, the final cause of all events, and the only ones capable of acting from purely nefarious motives? Indeed, why are our people the only ones who can be duped? If GWB and the “corporate media” can brainwash the American people into accepting an imperialist war for a gas pipeline, why can’t mullahs with near absolute power similarly brainwash, say, Iranians to support a global terrorist campaign?
Their response (and I’m just talking about the hardcore moonbats that still hold those thoughts)
“Yeah ,, but ,, America,, Israel,,,, ZIONISTS!!”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:16:27am |
re: #194 sattv4u2
Hey, man. Go to the top ten comments and read Allegro’s #1. You’ll never see her the same again.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:17:33am |
re: #197 dell*nix
“Go get the circular square.”
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:18:09am |
re: #197 dell*nix
Ever go for a bucket of prop wash? Or a left handed monkey wrench?
this
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
actually happened TO me
HEY ,, I was a kid then !!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:18:27am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, man. Go to the top ten comments and read Allegro’s #1. You’ll never see her the same again.
Going
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:19:46am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, man. Go to the top ten comments and read Allegro’s #1. You’ll never see her the same again.
She just strengthened her hold on #1 with another +
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:20:57am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This is what I wrote at about midnight, sitting here at work
As I sit here reflecting on 9/11, recalling that morning at work, watching raw video from all the networks we do business with,, scenes that I knew would never be shown on TV due to the graphic nature, what struck me as I watched people running away from the towers to save their lives, was all those firemen, police and EMT;s that were running the opposite way to their deaths.
I personally knew nobody that was killed on 9/11. Yet, I miss every single one of them
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:23:12am |
It took a half a day for it to sink in how really bad it was. Then? I still have no idea how bad it really was. Today? I still have no idea how bad it really was.
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:25:53am |
re: #197 dell*nix
Ever go for a bucket of prop wash? Or a left handed monkey wrench?
Neither of those. Heard of both of them, however.
When I was stationed on the USS Pyro (that’s right, the USS PYRO), we decked out some poor newbie in storm gear and gave him a pair of binoculars.
Of course, we couldn’t have mail delivery while at sea, so it was his job to go stand out on deck and look for a mail buoy. :-)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:29:43am |
Morning Honcos.
And morning to Dell*Nix. I posted that Sharon Little video you posted here the other morning on my FB. I post a vid every Sunday morning.:)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:31:24am |
re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning Honcos.
And morning to Dell*Nix. I posted that Sharon Little video you posted here the other morning on my FB. I post a vid every Sunday morning.:)
You work WAY too hard!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:32:24am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:35:55am |
re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar
After this week, I’m changing my name to “shovel monkey”.
Could be worse
He could have given you a spoon to use!
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:38:12am |
re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good morning. Glad you found it share worthy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:41:00am |
re: #195 Shiplord Kirel
Just reading the comments for that. There was a heavy dose of “it’s really our fault, we created OBL, blowback, fighting our foreign policy, etc.”
I have some questions for these folks.
Why are we the only truly evil people in the world, the final cause of all events, and the only ones capable of acting from purely nefarious motives? Indeed, why are our people the only ones who can be duped? If GWB and the “corporate media” can brainwash the American people into accepting an imperialist war for a gas pipeline, why can’t mullahs with near absolute power similarly brainwash, say, Iranians to support a global terrorist campaign?
The problem with people who say this is the fact that the pipeline was there before Bush 43 was President. Silly facts and all.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:41:46am |
re: #210 sattv4u2
Could be worse
He could have given you a spoon to use!
some parts I had to use my hands.
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:42:12am |
re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But there are left handed tin snips. My dad got sent to supply to get a pair and he thought it was a joke and goofed off for a bit. Got chewed on a bit for that.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:42:33am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
some parts I had to use my hands.
picking your bunched undies out of your crack!?!?
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:42:49am |
I was involved in a 3 car accident yesterday. First time I’ve been in an accident since I was 16. I was coming back from MI hauling a weld trailer with two 400lb gates strapped to it. It went from sunny to pouring rain so hard I couldn’t see in front of me in a matter of seconds. As I slowed down to pull in the right hand lane the lady in front of me started to hydroplane, then I did, and then the guy behind me. If not for the trailer I would have been fine but the trailer pulled my back end around and I ended up doing two complete 360’s in the middle of the interstate, went off the road and into a ditch. The stress snapped the supports I had the gates strapped to and they went flying. One hit the rack on my truck and blew it off. It hit it so hard it broke the 3” strap I had holding the rack down. The other one flew by the truck and ended up 75 yards in the bean field.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:42:51am |
re: #211 dell*nix
Good morning. Glad you found it share worthy.
I knew I was posting it about 30 seconds into the song when I heard it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:44:33am |
re: #216 RogueOne
Those are “things”
“Things” can be fixed/ replaced
Are YOU alright? (besides the obvious jangled nerves??)
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:50:55am |
re: #218 sattv4u2
Those are “things”
“Things” can be fixed/ replaced
Are YOU alright? (besides the obvious jangled nerves??)
Not a scratch, I was kind of lucky I had the rack on. I was tempted to take it off before I left for MI but I decided I was too lazy. I had worked until 10pm friday to get everything ready to leave at 5am yesterday. If not for that rack the gate might have taken out the back of my truck cab. The truck is mostly fine, some damage where the gate hit. It did break the axle on my trailer. Thankfully I was close to home. My brother came with another axle and we replaced it in the ditch. We had to cut the front of the trailer, straighten the pieces and weld it back together. The lady in front managed to break the axle on her car and they had to take the other guy to the hospital.
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:50:56am |
re: #216 RogueOne
That beats any of my near calls. Glad you got out of it ok.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:53:27am |
re: #220 dell*nix
That beats any of my near calls. Glad you got out of it ok.
When that gate went flying over the truck it looked like a special effect in a movie. Those things were 5’x8’ and 400 lbs and it cleared my truck like it was shot out of a cannon. If I hadn’t have broken the axle it would have been funny.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:56:03am |
BTW, the one gate that went over the truck didn’t take any damage at all. The one that hit the truck rack is fine except it tore up the decking inside of it. I was making fun of the engineer earlier in the day for designing those things so heavy. I’ve never seen gates made that heavy, I’ll tell him monday that it can withstand being shot 75’ by a sling.
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dell*nix Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:05:47am |
re: #222 RogueOne
Wonder how he will take that? Good to know he does good work, but what a way to find out.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:06:23am |
When did this happen?
Bomb at U.S. Base in Afghanistan Wounds Nearly 80 Americans
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:09:02am |
re: #223 dell*nix
Wonder how he will take that? Good to know he does good work, but what a way to find out.
He cut and pasted 2 different types of gates into the prints. I kept trying to tell the GC that’s what I thought happened but he insisted I was wrong. When I showed up yesterday he was doing an inspection so I asked him about it. Gates are usually square tube or angle frames, these are 2 1/2” square tube wrapped with 4” angle. I knew that couldn’t be right.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:18:43am |
I just applied for a temp gig at Hickory Farms. Smoked meat on a stick? I don’t need to have sales experience, those things sell themselves!!!
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:18:50am |
re: #227 dell*nix
Regular gates or high security gates?
Stupid garbage corral gates, they hide the dumpsters. Sort of like these:
Image: scan0011.jpg
Mine are similar except they’re wrapped with 4x4x1/4” angle which weighs about 7lbs a foot. Now that I think about it those gates have to weigh more than 400lbs.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:19:42am |
Good Morning Honcos!!
Rogue, Glad you are OK!!
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:19:52am |
re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just applied for a temp gig at Hickory Farms. Smoked meat on a stick? I don’t need to have sales experience, those things sell themselves!!!
“Wanna try my meat on a stick?” would make a great pick up line on ladies night. You should test it out and let us know…
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:20:30am |
re: #230 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Honcos!!
Rogue, Glad you are OK!!
I am so much better than “ok”. Haven’t I mentioned how much I love me?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:22:02am |
re: #231 RogueOne
“Wanna try my meat on a stick?” would make a great pick up line on ladies night. You should test it out and let us know…
I tried to do that once, but I got nervous and told her I had cheese balls.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:23:13am |
re: #230 rwdflynavy
btw, thanks man. I switched to chrome because none of the avatars would show up in Opera and I need pictures when I read. Just noticed you changed yours, I like it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:23:22am |
re: #233 BongCrodny
I tried to do that once, but I got nervous and told her I had blue cheese balls.
Story of my life.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:24:02am |
4 terror suspects arrested in Sweden
A Swedish SWAT team backed by local police arrested four people overnight on suspicion of plotting terror attacks, the Swedish Security Service told CNN Sunday.
The four were held in the city of Gothenburg for “probable cause” of preparing the attacks, the highest level of suspicion in Sweden, said Sara Kvarnstrom, a spokeswoman for the security force.
Sweden is not raising its terror threat level — which is currently at 3, with 5 as the highest — and there is “no reason for the public to be alarmed,” she said.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:26:17am |
So, on 9/11/2001 I was the Officer in Charge of a 2 helo detachment preparing to get underway for a 6 week training event with the JFK Battle Group. I was in the squadron getting ready to drive over to the ship and saw the second plane hit on the TV in our wardroom. We embarked without the helos for about 6 hours and then finally got permission to fly the helos on. Our training turned into “defending the coast” for the first week and a half or so.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:29:48am |
For those who are interested The Wall Street Journal has a time line of the events of 9/11 on today’s front page. This is available to anyone who goes to [Link: www.wsj.com…]
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Meitantei Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:37:13am |
I’m 21 years old now, so back then I was in 6th grade.
It’s interesting because I really didn’t know what happened until around 2:00. But everyone knew by 9:30 that SOMETHING happened. One other class who was using the computer lab that day for some project was talking about a plane crash, and the teachers were quiet and kids were being taken out of school. What I remember is that in that typical childish arrogance that every little kid has, I remember thinking that I knew before my parents did, which I realized was stupid the minute I came home and saw their faces.
One thing that I remember hearing a lot of back then, still didn’t get then, and still don’t get as I continue to work on Russian studies in college, is the whole “We created the Taliban” thing!”, and so it’s our fault. We gave the Afghanis weapons to fight an aggressor, who pretty much charged in because they wanted to make sure that we didn’t interfere with their oppression of their Central Asian republics. What they did with the weapons in the ten years afterward is their own stinking fault, and I don’t think Afghanistan would have been a much more peaceful or less fanatical place if we hadn’t given a few Stingers.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:38:41am |
I was on vacation that morning. I took off to grab donuts and the guys on the radio said a plane had hit the tower. I went back inside to see what was going on. My wife and I were watching it on the Today Show when the 2nd plane hit live on the air. For a split second I thought it was a replay.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:42:12am |
re: #237 rwdflynavy
Those first few weeks were an interesting time for people in uniform.
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lawhawk Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:45:44am |
Morning folks. With the threat of an attack against the US still looming domestically based on intel that al Qaeda may seek to attack in conjunction with today’s anniversary, it isn’t all that surprising that Taliban suicide bombers carried out a massive truck bombing today in Afghanistan killing two Afghan troops, and injuring dozens of US troops and Afghan civilians.
The explosion occurred at 5:30 p.m. local time on Saturday (9 a.m. ET Saturday) in Wardak province, on the eve of the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks against the United States.
Story: World pauses to remember 9/11The attack on Combat Outpost Sayed Abad killed two Afghans — a security guard and an interpreter — and also wounded 25 Afghan civilians, NBC News reported.
Lt. Col. Wayne Perry, a spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), told NBC News that none of the Americans appeared to have suffered life-threatening injuries.
“The majority of injured ISAF personnel will likely return to duties shortly,” an ISAF statement added.
The suicide bomber was driving a truck carrying firewood when he rammed into the outpost’s entrance, according to NATO.
“Most of the force of the explosion was absorbed by the protective barrier,” ISAF said in a statement.
The intel chatter had been saying that a car/truck bomb would be involved in the attacks in conjunction with the 9/11 commemoration. Was this the attack that the intel chatter had been worried about? Or is this the preview to what the terrorists have in store?
Either way, law enforcement and the military will be on guard and hopefully thwart the attack before it can have deadly consequences.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:46:10am |
BBIAB, I need to go dump this trailer off at the shop. I was too tired last night to do it.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:49:17am |
re: #244 RogueOne
BBIAB, I need to go dump this trailer off at the shop. I was too tired last night to do it.
Slacker, a guy does a couple 360’s while hydroplaning and he’s “tired” .
//
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:54:58am |
Did I hear a heckler at the end of Obama’s reading of whatever-it-was just now?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 5:55:25am |
I lived in northern Virginia in 2001, and worked in D.C. Our office didn’t have a television, and the news we were getting was sketchy.
Once we learned what had happened, the principal of the firm made the decision to send everyone home for safety reasons and because there were some rumors that egress to D.C. would be blocked; that anyone in D.C. at a certain point in time might be stuck in D.C. until, well, who knows?
So my strongest memories of 9/11 were not of the tragedy, but of the subway ride home on the Metro: a trainload of nervous passengers, myself included, keeping to themselves and breaking off eye contact with each other almost immediately after establishing it.
I don’t think I’ve ever been on a train so quiet.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:03:33am |
re: #247 BongCrodny
I was living with a Vietnamese resident alien, a war refugee who’d lost one leg to a US mortar attack. He was very sad, both because he felt like a place that had once been a safe haven had had its purity violated, and also because he predicted the US would massively overreact.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:04:31am |
re: #247 BongCrodny
I drove home from Valley Forge,PA. Traffic was jammed even on the back roads. I was listening to the local all news station KYW 1060 AM and they were in breaking story mode. When I got home I had a phone call waiting for me from my dad. I called him and told him I was okay.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:05:07am |
re: #240 Meitantei
Such a neat abdication of responsibility. Sorry, you knew who you were giving the weapons to (and if you didn’t, and truly thought those were “freedom fighters”… well…).
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:06:21am |
re: #27 Bubblehead II
It’s more that our infrastructure is so totally vulnerable you lose count very rapidly.
Hell, the PG&E stations in San Francisco catch on fire regularly with no terrorist intervention necessary.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:07:56am |
re: #240 Meitantei
So there are absolutely no moral repercussions to arming anyone?
Or it’s always okay, as long as those people are being attacked by the Soviets?
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lawhawk Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:11:12am |
re: #247 BongCrodny
The subway ride in NYC on 9/12 to get back home was beyond bizarre. Part of it the route is above ground and with a view of Lower Manhattan with the smoke still rising ominously. The subway was silent and all but empty on a weekday - the opposite of normal. Made my way to Hoboken, caught the train home, and then found myself staring at dozens of cars in the parking lot.
Some of those drivers would never come home. They’d sit there for days until family members would come to get them.
It was the same story at commuter parking lots all around the region. You knew that some of those commuters would never be coming back, but there was at least some hope we’d find survivors in the hours and immediate days after the attacks, but it soon became all too apparent that no one would be pulled alive from Ground Zero after the collapse.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:13:03am |
And for those who don’t know:
[Link: www.indieking.com…]
The day after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Steve Buscemi, who worked as a firefighter from 1980-1984, showed up at his old fire station, Engine Company No. 55 in the Little Italy section of New York.
For the next week he worked 12-hour shifts, digging through the rubble trying to find the bodies of missing firefighters, all the while refusing to do interviews or have his picture taken.
“It was a privilege to be able to do it,” the 45-year-old actor said. “It was great to connect with the firehouse I used to work with and with some of the guys I worked alongside. And it was enormously helpful for me because while I was working, I didn’t really think about it as much, feel it as much.
“It wasn’t until I stopped that I really felt the full impact of what had happened. It would have been much harder for me to get through it if I hadn’t been able to do that.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:13:58am |
re: #255 Obdicut
Awesome guy.
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Meitantei Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:17:32am |
re: #253 Obdicut
A country was a victim of aggression, and we helped them fight off the aggressors whom were also our enemies. Did we give it to people who weren’t exactly liberal democrats? Sure. But that’s simply making the best of a bad situation, as you won’t find those people in Afghanistan.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:19:58am |
I was on my way to work when the 1st plane hit
I was at work when the 2nd one hit
As I sit here reflecting on 9/11, recalling that morning at work, watching raw video from all the networks we do business with,, scenes that I knew would never be shown on TV due to the graphic nature, what struck me as I watched people running away from the towers to save their lives, was all those firemen, police and EMT;s that were running the opposite way to their deaths.
I personally knew nobody that was killed on 9/11. Yet, I miss every single one of them
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:23:50am |
re: #257 Meitantei
A country was a victim of aggression, and we helped them fight off the aggressors whom were also our enemies.
Yes, but the people we armed were religious fanatics with absolutely medieval attitudes towards things like human rights. They were hostile to democracy and most of their values were antithetical to ours. Arming people whose values are absolutely contradictory to your own, except in the most dire of circumstances, does not seem smart to me, and the results of it seem rather predictable.
Did we give it to people who weren’t exactly liberal democrats? Sure. But that’s simply making the best of a bad situation, as you won’t find those people in Afghanistan.
Why was it the ‘best’? Because it weakened the Soviet Union?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:24:21am |
re: #257 Meitantei
So if anybody would arm Iraqi insurgents under the pretense of helping them fight off the US aggression, they would be justified in doing so?
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:30:40am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Yes, but the people we armed were religious fanatics with absolutely medieval attitudes towards things like human rights. They were hostile to democracy and most of their values were antithetical to ours. Arming people who’s values are absolutely contradictory to your own does not seem smart to me, and the results of it seem rather predictable.
Why was it the ‘best’? Because it weakened the Soviet Union?
It wasn’t necessarily the arming but the after care (so to speak)?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:31:02am |
And a reminder: The actual government of Afghanistan requested the soviet aid. Sure, they were a Marxist bunch of assholes and thugs, but they were the government.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
The Afghan government, having secured a treaty in December 1978 that allowed them to call on Soviet forces, repeatedly requested the introduction of troops in Afghanistan in the spring and summer of 1979. They requested Soviet troops to provide security and to assist in the fight against the mujahideen rebels.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:31:34am |
re: #263 Obdicut
Indeed. And Amin was a Saddam/Kaddafi-like dictator.
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:31:45am |
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:32:10am |
re: #261 Varek Raith
AK47s FOR EVERYONE!!!
How’s that for irony — given the context. The primary weapon of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda is the AK-47.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:32:11am |
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:34:49am |
In this life we all take chances. You stop and help someone fix a flat tire and you wind up dead, murdered, because you made an error in judgement or assessment of character. 20/20 hindsight is best left for the living.
“But you stopped anyway.”
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shutdown Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:36:47am |
Parachuting in to share my two main memories from 3 years of working on the 96th floor of the North Tower:
1) Turning off the lights in order to watch lightning storms over Manhattan. An unbelievable sight from that high up. Sometimes, we were in the storm and not just looking at it.
2) Having to plan a 40 minute round trip just to get coffee from the shopping concourse. In many parts of the country, people don’t commute that long from their homes to work.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:37:01am |
re: #268 Gus 802
If you stopped to help a person who gives off all the obvious signs of being Jack the Ripper, your blood is on you, “blame the victim” or not.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:37:19am |
re: #268 Gus 802
But if you stop to help a tire along Murder Road, Rapeville, in Feast On the Flesh of the Innocent County, you’re probably fucking up.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:38:51am |
re: #267 Sergey Romanov
Meh. Gimme ye olde BFG 9000!
I find the experimental MIRV from Fallout 3 to be freaking fun, if not a bit useless. *You’re more likely to kill yourself with the damn thing*
Lol.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:39:12am |
re: #272 Gus 802
9/11. Time for a moment of reflection and self loathing?
Today, I reflect
I have 364 other days to self loath!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:40:52am |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:41:04am |
re: #272 Gus 802
There’s no self-loathing involved. It’s precisely because I think America is cool that I think that we demean ourselves when we act in the highly short-term. Many of the things we did in the name of anti-Communism were shitty things. We’re human. Learning from it and becoming better would be a good thing. We armed the Afghans because they were fighting the Soviets. That was our criteria back then; if you were anti-commie, you were good by us. I do not think this was actually the wisest policy.
Now, time for me to write. Trying for 4,000 words today.
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:42:14am |
re: #271 Obdicut
But if you stop to help a tire along Murder Road, Rapeville, in Feast On the Flesh of the Innocent County, you’re probably fucking up.
I’ve got a buddy that lives out in the boondocks of northwestern Virgina.
To get to his place you have to access, I kid you not, Dismal Hollow Road.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:42:16am |
Drudge’s best buddy Alex Jones is warning that Obama is poised to attack America….
As former President George W. Bush found out, attacking America is the quickest way to raise the popularity of the President. In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush’s popularity soared beyond 70% and gave him the political momentum to pass almost any law he desired. Out of that fiasco came the Patriot Act, one of the most dangerous freedom-crushing laws in U.S. history — a law which guts the Bill of Rights and is now used against animal rights protestors and other non-terrorist groups, by the way.
Today, Obama’s popularity is plummeting, even among Democrats. Popularity polls put Obama at record lows. It is at moments like this — when presidents are seeing their popularity plummet — that they often turn to “fabricated emergencies” or so-called “false flag attacks” in order to rally the people behind them
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:42:17am |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:44:33am |
re: #280 imp_62
What are you working on?
A novel. My first. It’s going well. Sneak preview of a plot-irrelevant scene here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Now really gone to write.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:45:12am |
It seems Herman Cain has been dropped from the list of speakers at Crazy Pam’s Ground Zero Hate fest.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:45:52am |
re: #286 Obdicut
A novel. My first. It’s going well. Sneak preview of a plot-irrelevant scene here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Now really gone to write.
Cool!
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mdey Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:48:15am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
He is still trying to hang on a little there.
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:50:12am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
It seems Herman Cain has been dropped from the list of speakers at Crazy Pam’s Ground Zero Hate fest.
Why’s that?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:52:34am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:53:20am |
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:53:33am |
re: #292 BongCrodny
Irreconcilable derperences?
Last time I looked the wingnuts were calling him a stealth-Jihadist!!11ty of sorts.
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mdey Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:54:20am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
Is Crazy Pam’s anti- Whatever, mosque, comuntity center, anti bru ha ha, actually taking place?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:56:17am |
re: #294 Gus 802
Last time I looked the wingnuts were calling him a stealth-Jihadist!!11ty of sorts.
Not anti-Muslim enough? Makes sense.
Would also make sense if, like Kilgore said, his advisors recommended he stay far, far away from Ms. Shrugs.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:56:27am |
re: #295 mdey
Is Crazy Pam’s anti- Whatever, mosque, comuntity center, anti bru ha ha, actually taking place?
Yeah, looks like it. She had planned to launch some ship to sail around the world rescuing people from Muslims (not kidding) but it seems that plan has been scrapped.
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:56:55am |
re: #296 BongCrodny
Not anti-Muslim enough? Makes sense.
Would also make sense if, like Kilgore said, his advisors recommended he stay far, far away from Ms. Shrugs.
That’s what I was thinking.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:57:30am |
I don’t want to spend the entire day rehashing old 9-11 videos but I don’t think I’ve seen this one before….
Rare video of World Trade Center collapse and rescue
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:57:41am |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Yeah, looks like it. She had planned to launch some ship to sail around the world rescuing people from Muslims (not kidding) but it seems that plan has been scrapped.
maybe her followers were worried that their ship would fall of the end of the flat earth!
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:00:49am |
IT’s National Grandparent’s Day.
So call your Gramma!
(If you are lucky enough to have one, if not, call someone else’s. She’ll love it)
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:01:52am |
Sorry, I forgot the link.
“The impetus for a National Grandparents Day originated with Marian McQuade, a housewife in Fayette County, West Virginia. Her primary motivation was to champion the cause of lonely elderly in nursing homes. She also hoped to persuade grandchildren to tap the wisdom and heritage their grandparents could provide. President Jimmy Carter, in 1978, proclaimed that National Grandparents Day would be celebrated every year on the first Sunday after Labor Day.”
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:02:04am |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
I don’t want to spend the entire day rehashing old 9-11 videos but I don’t think I’ve seen this one before…
Rare video of World Trade Center collapse and rescue[Video]
Typical Liveleak video. 0.1 frames per second. Vimeo is just as bad.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:03:54am |
re: #302 ggt
IT’s National Grandparent’s Day.
So call your Gramma!
(If you are lucky enough to have one, if not, call someone else’s. She’ll love it)
(( someone elses grandma))
“Hello ,, 911?? Yes ,, this is Granny Smith over on Maple street
I keep getting all these calls from people I don’t know and I’m scared now!!”
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:09:55am |
re: #305 sattv4u2
(( someone elses grandma))
“Hello ,, 911?? Yes ,, this is Granny Smith over on Maple street
I keep getting all these calls from people I don’t know and I’m scared now!!”
Because of the date it fell on this year, I’m trying to be positive!
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:11:11am |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Yeah, looks like it. She had planned to launch some ship to sail around the world rescuing people from Muslims (not kidding) but it seems that plan has been scrapped.
As opposed to Cynthia McKinney’s ship to save the Palestinians from the Jews?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:12:40am |
re: #307 ggt
As opposed to Cynthia McKinney’s ship to save the Palestinians from the Jews?
Cynthia McKinney is a former Congresswoman. Please show her the respect she deserves and call her Bug Eyes.:)
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:13:14am |
re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cynthia McKinney is a former Congresswoman. Please show her the respect she deserves and call her Bug Eyes.:)
:)
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:14:52am |
How do you save people from Muslims with a ship?
I’m not understanding the concept. Was she using it as a rescue ship or a ship of war?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:16:18am |
A friend posted on FB a very well written post about today being the tenth year anniversary of 9/11. I countered by hoping those who planned and carried out the attacks are being ass-raped as we speak. Was that wrong?
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:16:57am |
re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar
A friend posted on FB a very well written post about today being the tenth year anniversary of 9/11. I countered by hoping those who planned and carried out the attacks are being ass-raped as we speak. Was that wrong?
depends on how you worded it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:17:38am |
re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar
They got 72 virgin piranhas.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:17:50am |
re: #313 ggt
depends on how you worded it.
You’re right. I said “Ass-raped now and for all of eternity”. Better?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:18:11am |
re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar
You’re right. I said “Ass-raped now and for all of eternity”. Better?
What if they like it?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:19:15am |
re: #311 ggt
How do you save people from Muslims with a ship?
I’m not understanding the concept. Was she using it as a rescue ship or a ship of war?
It was a completely absurd plan to go around the Middle east and Africa and rescue people from Muslims.
Levant & Geller on Aqsa Parvez, Freedom From Jihad Flotilla
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:19:46am |
re: #316 Sergey Romanov
What if they like it?
They might but they can’t tell anyone with that ball gag in their mouth.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:20:16am |
re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar
They might but they can’t tell anyone with that ball gag in their mouth.
So Hitler is also involved?
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:20:19am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
It was a completely absurd plan to go around the Middle east and Africa and rescue people from Muslims.
Levant & Geller on Aqsa Parvez, Freedom From Jihad Flotilla[Video]
But, with ship? Was she only going to rescue those who could make it to shore?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:20:43am |
Just when you thought it was safe to back back in the water family room
[Link: www.flixxy.com…]
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:20:57am |
re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar
You’re right. I said “Ass-raped now and for all of eternity”. Better?
Well, yeah—except that some of them might see that as spending eternity in heaven.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:21:08am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:21:35am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:21:43am |
re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar
No, but he is a natural ball gag.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:22:16am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
Just when you thought it was safe to back back in the
waterfamily room[Link: www.flixxy.com…]
OK, now they need to do FSM.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:22:30am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
Just when you thought it was safe to back back in the
waterfamily room[Link: www.flixxy.com…]
OMG!! I HAVE TO BUY ONE OF THOSE!!!
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:22:55am |
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:24:29am |
Ok, I have to go to work.
Have a great day all!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:25:02am |
re: #329 ggt
boys!
I own a four foot long blow dart gun. A flying fish will make people think I’m sane.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:26:18am |
re: #331 Cannadian Club Akbar
I own a four foot long blow dart gun. A flying fish will make people think I’m sane.
no it won’t!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:27:36am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:31:01am |
re: #331 Cannadian Club Akbar
I own a four foot long blow dart gun. A flying fish will make people think I’m sane.
This is America! I want a fish that flies, Dances and Sings via remote control….Even Better..I want my Fish rigged up to fire Hellfire missiles..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:32:54am |
re: #334 HoosierHoops
This is America! I want a fish that flies, Dances and Sings via remote control…Even Better..I want my Fish rigged up to fire Hellfire missiles..
That will keep the neighbors cat off the hood of your car!!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:37:02am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Yes, but the people we armed were religious fanatics with absolutely medieval attitudes towards things like human rights. They were hostile to democracy and most of their values were antithetical to ours. Arming people whose values are absolutely contradictory to your own, except in the most dire of circumstances, does not seem smart to me, and the results of it seem rather predictable.
Why was it the ‘best’? Because it weakened the Soviet Union?
Because it weakened the Soviet Union while using the tactics of sponsoring an insurgency that they had been using on us for decades.
Weakening and humiliating the Soviet Union was a thing worth doing. But once they had left, we shouldn’t have just forgotten about Afghanistan like we did.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:39:03am |
re: #335 Cannadian Club Akbar
That will keep the neighbors cat off the hood of your car!!
Nah, he’s got Winston for that.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:40:48am |
re: #336 Dark_Falcon
Weakening and humiliating the Soviet Union was a thing worth doing. But once they had left, we shouldn’t have just forgotten about Afghanistan like we did.
I like the straight talk like that. Not the mealy-mouthed “but but but we were helping against aggressors” bullshit. The US wanted USSR to get into the Afghan trap. Fair enough. Brzezinski openly says that the US basically goaded USSR into Afghanistan, so the “aggressor” bit is ridiculous as a justification.
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Winny Spencer Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:42:06am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:42:44am |
911 really changed America
5 million people have served in the Military since that Tuesday Morning…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:42:52am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:43:07am |
re: #339 Winny Spencer
How dignified.
I’m not going to allow comments on this post, for obvious reasons.
heh
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:43:57am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
It was a completely absurd plan to go around the Middle east and Africa and rescue people from Muslims.
Levant & Geller on Aqsa Parvez, Freedom From Jihad Flotilla[Video]
It’s the same thing as her “Leave Islam Safely” posters she had put up on Chicago taxis last year. It’s grossly ignorant and counter-productive.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:44:01am |
re: #340 HoosierHoops
911 really changed America
5 million people have served in the Military since that Tuesday Morning…
And your son is one of those…..
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:45:23am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
That and he had best use his spell checker. He goofed up on the word “the.” It comes up as “Te.” “Te atrocity …”
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:46:03am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
I’m not going to allow comments on this post, for obvious reasons.
heh
Because if he did, even sane people would turn the comment section into a river of flame.
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:47:54am |
re: #339 Winny Spencer
How dignified.
Way to ruin your reputation Mr. Krugman. Stick to the economy.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:48:03am |
re: #345 PhillyPretzel
That and he had best use his spell checker. He goofed up on the word “the.” It comes up as “Te.”
Yeah ,, I saw that ,(can’t 100% blame him,, they have proof readers and editors)
, but I thought the “no comments allowed” was more telling!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:49:46am |
re: #339 Winny Spencer
How dignified.
What happened after 9/11 — and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not — was deeply shameful. Te atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.
A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits — people who should have understood very well what was happening — took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity?
And with that, Paul Krugman proves beyond all reasonable doubt that he is a left-wing hack.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:51:28am |
re: #339 Winny Spencer
Yeah, that was a pointless post. I have no clue why Krugman would write something like that.
9/11 is what it is. There’s no poison to the memory of it based on anything that came after. On 9/11 innocents died as hate-filled religious fanatics condemned them to death, and their deaths and the innocence of them cannot be besmirched by anything that followed after.
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:51:43am |
National “Obama is following the Bush doctrine on terror short of waterboarding” denialism day?
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:51:59am |
re: #350 Gus 802
I hope not. It is a very solemn day and should be treated as such.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:53:07am |
re: #350 Gus 802
National Bush derangement day?
Hi Gus! What are your goals today? How many miles will you go?
When I get to 500 I’m over it..
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:53:13am |
re: #353 PhillyPretzel
I hope not. It is a very solemn day and should be treated as such.
For sure. Just seeing some stupid shit on Twitter. It’s sort of like complaining about God and Jesus on Christmas. They need to give it a rest already.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:53:13am |
re: #349 Dark_Falcon
And with that, Paul Krugman proves to me beyond all reasonable doubt that he is a left-wing hack.
There was nothing hacky about that. I disagree with him strongly, and I think it was incredibly unwise. But it wasn’t a hack, and it’s one post. It means that on the subject of 9/11 memorials, Krugman is quite wrong.
I don’t get the urge to attempt to condemn him as a hack.
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Gus Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:54:24am |
re: #354 HoosierHoops
Hi Gus! What are your goals today? How many miles will you go?
When I get to 500 I’m over it..
To drive across Nevada. Well, I’ll still be in Nevada since I have to find a Motel6. Short of the border.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:54:51am |
re: #350 Gus 802
National Bush derangement day?
It appears so. Krugman forgets how BDS feeds ODS, and why both are wrong: Because it is neither just nor right to demonize decent men doing their best in good faith.
And to call Rudy Giuliani a “fake hero” is just plain shitty. Giuliani had already saved New York City prior to 9/11. He made mistakes in disaster response, but he also assiduously built up both the numbers and effectiveness of NYC police and fire departments.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:55:41am |
re: #356 Obdicut
There was nothing hacky about that. I disagree with him strongly, and I think it was incredibly unwise. But it wasn’t a hack, and it’s one post. It means that on the subject of 9/11 memorials, Krugman is quite wrong.
I don’t get the urge to attempt to condemn him as a hack.
Probably not as a “hack”.
However, I do feel a strong urge to condemn him as a piece of shit.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:55:51am |
re: #336 Dark_Falcon
Weakening and humiliating the Soviet Union was a thing worth doing. But once they had left, we shouldn’t have just forgotten about Afghanistan like we did.
Absolutely. It wasn’t so much the proxy wars as our absolute neglect of those we used in them that I condemn. If we’d really supported pro-Democracy, instead of anti-Communist, ideology we’d be a lot better off, I feel. And I think others would too.
On the other hand, I have no solution for a place like Afghanistan. I do not know how to change a place quickly, to turn it away from religious fanaticism. Ironically, part of the reason the rebellion against the Marxist Afghanistan government was their repression of the religious radicals.
I mean, even in the US, after centuries of secular government, we still have a powerful and dangerous amount of religious fanaticism. It is a hard, hard thing to keep under control, all the harder still because to repress religion in general is the worst possible way to go about defending secular society.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 7:59:51am |
re: #360 reine.de.tout
Probably not as a “hack”.
However, I do feel a strong urge to condemn him as a piece of shit.
Such language from The Queen!!
(it’s good to be the King Queen)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:02:47am |
re: #356 Obdicut
There was nothing hacky about that. I disagree with him strongly, and I think it was incredibly unwise. But it wasn’t a hack, and it’s one post. It means that on the subject of 9/11 memorials, Krugman is quite wrong.
I don’t get the urge to attempt to condemn him as a hack.
The ‘hack’ was in large part based on other things he’s written, so I take your point. But he did just say something that he should not have said and he’s going to catch Hell from all sides for it.
I’ve got to go. BBT
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:06:14am |
re: #363 Dark_Falcon
And that he’s going to catch hell from both sides kind of shows it’s not hackery. It’s a bitter, emotional post. I hope he’s able to separate 9/11 from what came after in his mind, because combining them is exactly what he’s castigating those he’s attacking for.
I do think that it is important to remember the way that those who opposed the Iraq war were treated, however. There was exploitation of 9/11 in order to bolster the attack on Iraq and that was a shady thing to do.
But Krugman’s post just serves to discredit that position and is really just a bitter bite.
Sigh. At least my writing went well. 2,500 words and a sex scene that doesn’t completely humiliate me. Still want to do another couple thousand today but it’s a good start.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:11:57am |
Back again, You guys were chatty while I was gone. It’s going to take time to catch up.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:16:25am |
re: #362 sattv4u2
Such language from The Queen!!
(it’s good to be the
KingQueen)
Krugman writes for a living, he gets paid to write.
Who exactly is “cashing in”?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:16:54am |
re: #364 Obdicut
Sigh. At least my writing went well. 2,500 words and a sex scene that doesn’t completely humiliate me. Still want to do another couple thousand today but it’s a good start.
I can’t remember if it was Harlan Ellison or Neil Gaiman or someone else, but there’s a quote to the effect that being a writer means realizing that what you’ve poured your heart and every spare moment into for the past 18 months is utter garbage, throwing it out, and starting all over.
Have you hit that point yet?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:18:36am |
And another good reminder:
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:18:47am |
K Kiddies
have to go spend some quality time with the NFL broadcast team(s)
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Interesting Times Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:19:01am |
re: #364 Obdicut
Sigh. At least my writing went well. 2,500 words and a sex scene that doesn’t completely humiliate me.
Heh. The best advice I ever read on sex scenes went something like this:
“If you can replace the scene with the words ‘and then they had sex’, without harming plot or character development in any way, it’s probably a sign the scene is unnecessary” :)
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:19:25am |
re: #367 negativ
Nah. I used to get that a lot before I found this routine to work in, of working in the morning. I’ve had to cut out paragraphs.
or rather, you could say for the past fifteen years I was in the throwing-it-all-out phase.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:20:51am |
re: #370 publicityStunted
Yeah, unfortunately the sex is important, given that much of the novel is about male-female stuff, ego boundaries, and the insanity of perception.
A friend of mine who is an actually published author told me not so worry so much about what should or shouldn’t be included, because editors exist.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:22:16am |
re: #277 Sergey Romanov
Life does not only consist of dice-throwing. Sometimes you can pretty much predict what’s coming. And in those cases “hindsight is 20/20” simply doesn’t work.
I think the point gus was making is life is short and brutal. Unless you keep yourself locked in a padded room you could die at anytime. IMO, that means you should enjoy the time you have to the fullest, don’t get wrapped up in silly shit or things you can’t control. If something sounds like fun, do it damnit. What’s the worst that can happen, you’re going to die at some point anyway.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:22:22am |
re: #372 Gus 802
Go mbeire muid beo ar an am seo aris.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:23:46am |
Damn, creepy moths have invaded the pantry. Gotta throw everything out. Ick.
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darthstar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:24:34am |
re: #370 publicityStunted
Heh. The best advice I ever read on sex scenes went something like this:
“If you can replace the scene with the words ‘and then they had sex’, without harming plot or character development in any way, it’s probably a sign the scene is unnecessary” :)
Those words also add new meaning to most sentences.
Eric Cantor and John Boehner appeared before cameras to complain about the president’s plan and then they had sex.
Peyton Manning threw a touchdown pass to Terrell Owens and then they had sex.
Mother Theresa tended to the sick and dying and then they had sex.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:25:36am |
re: #374 RogueOne
No, that was said in the context of the discussion of the Afghan war and mujahideen armament by the US. Fun doesn’t enter into it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:26:26am |
re: #377 darthstar
Those words also add new meaning to most sentences.
Eric Cantor and John Boehner appeared before cameras to complain about the president’s plan and then they had sex.
Peyton Manning threw a touchdown pass to Terrell Owens and then they had sex.
Mother Theresa tended to the sick and dying and then they had sex.
Same as the whole “In bed” thing when dealing with fortune cookies.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:27:26am |
re: #378 Sergey Romanov
His comment:
re: #268 Gus 802
In this life we all take chances. You stop and help someone fix a flat tire and you wind up dead, murdered, because you made an error in judgement or assessment of character. 20/20 hindsight is best left for the living.
“But you stopped anyway.”
Maybe I’m wrong but that’s the way I took it. You do what you do and hope for the best.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:29:09am |
re: #380 RogueOne
Again, look at the context, i.e. the previous discussion about unintended consequences.
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darthstar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:32:13am |
Balloons! And the black one is no relation.
A friend of mine lives in Reno…apparently they’re up up and away today.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:32:38am |
re: #381 Sergey Romanov
Again, look at the context, i.e. the previous discussion about unintended consequences.
I did. We need gus back here to elaborate.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:34:00am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:35:07am |
re: #384 RogueOne
If I’m not mistaken, Obdi took it the same way.
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darthstar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:35:56am |
re: #385 RogueOne
I feel a weird need to upding every comment you make just based on your avatar…
Heh…I’d forgotten that…I’ll put one of my regular ones back later…time to go run the boys, then drive my wife to work, hang out for a few hours, and then catch the ball game.
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darthstar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:36:23am |
re: #386 Sergey Romanov
If I’m not mistaken, Obdi took it the same way.
You’re all wrong!
There…that settles it. Laters.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:36:51am |
re: #387 darthstar
Where do your usual skull avs come from?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:39:37am |
re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar
Same as the whole “In bed” thing when dealing with fortune cookies.
“On the moon” always works better for me than “in bed”. I wonder if the same might be true for sex scenes in novels. “And then they went to the moon.”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:41:53am |
re: #390 negativ
Okay, now it’s your turn for a solely-avatar-based upding.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:49:13am |
It was for the London Bombings, not 9/11 but I was very touched by the “We Are Not Afraid” webpage.
[Link: werenotafraid.com…]
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:49:30am |
There are a ton of good games today. San fran vs. Seattle. I’m hoping to see Jim Harbaugh (former “cpt. comeback when he was with the colts) take a swing at Pete Carroll.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 8:52:45am |
I don’t know what a bag of bothered is but this is awesome:
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Lidane Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:08:35am |
Hands down, the best 9/11 tribute, IMO:
I still get chills watching this. It’s both sad and uplifting at the same time.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:12:48am |
re: #394 Obdicut
Out of curiosity, do you live in the former weiner district?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:13:35am |
‘morning LGF.
That Michigan game yesterday was epic.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:13:52am |
I know a lot of our newer Lizards wonder why us old timers turned away from the left after 9-11. Here are the top recommended diaries on DKos this morning….
I don’t care about your 9/11 story
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Dire Straits Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:15:21am |
re: #366 reine.de.tout
Krugman writes for a living, he gets paid to write.
Who exactly is “cashing in”?
Krugman really has gone bonkers.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:16:09am |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
It appears so. Krugman forgets how BDS feeds ODS, and why both are wrong:
How so?
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:16:44am |
re: #397 Stanley Sea
‘morning LGF.
That Michigan game yesterday was epic.
I got home just in time to see the last quarter and a half, right before it went to 24-7. I thought it was over, I kept it on but I stopped paying attention until right before the end.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:17:36am |
re: #396 RogueOne
Nope. Manhattan. Might do get out the vote stuff tomorrow and Tuesday there, though.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:18:48am |
re: #401 RogueOne
I got home just in time to see the last quarter and a half, right before it went to 24-7. I thought it was over, I kept it on but I stopped paying attention until right before the end.
I was watching and following the twitter feed at the same time. It was hilarious the people freaking out in the end. Totally thought it was over. Take that Domers!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:19:12am |
More from the KosKidz….
9/11 Was Thinkable
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:19:18am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
Lot of people fighting a ten year old fight there. Disappointing.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:20:00am |
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:20:07am |
re: #402 Obdicut
Nope. Manhattan. Might do get out the vote stuff tomorrow and Tuesday there, though.
I was reading something about the race and I was just curious if any of the LGF’ers lived in the district. The only 2 NY’ers I know around here are you and lawhawk.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:21:10am |
re: #405 Obdicut
Lot of people fighting a ten year old fight there. Disappointing.
The lefty base has some really shitty instincts when it comes to terrorism. Luckily the Dem leadership still retains some sanity.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:21:41am |
re: #403 Stanley Sea
I wonder how many jumpers they had in vegas during the last 2 minutes of the game.//
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Four More Tears Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:21:54am |
re: #407 RogueOne
I was reading something about the race and I was just curious if any of the LGF’ers lived in the district. The only 2 NY’ers I know around here are you and lawhawk.
Thought Lawhawk lived in Joisey?
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Atlas Fails Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:24:05am |
re: #404 Killgore Trout
More from the KosKidz…
9/11 Was Thinkable
Ugh, that place is really going the way of the Huffington Post. Kos and his bloggers are alright (although I can do without the melodramatic “War on Workers” and “War on Women” pages), but they have been inching further to the left for a few years, and many of the regulars there are totally disconnected from reality.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:24:11am |
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Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:25:04am |
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Four More Tears Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:26:56am |
I get the impression Sagehen lives in the city too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:27:37am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
Provocativeness of the titles aside, these are mainly pieces against exploitation and misuse of 9/11, maybe crude. I don’t see how they explain the turn from the left. The right went even more crazy after 9/11, see the Iraq War, torture, Islamophobia and so on, so I don’t see how anything some lefty says would justify turning to the right.
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jaunte Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:34:29am |
re: #404 Killgore Trout
More from the KosKidz…
“Osama bin Laden is laughing at us from the bottom of the sea.”
Good grief. Unfortunately, these are the kind of people who might choose not to vote for Obama next time in protest because he’s been too much of a hawk.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:35:31am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
I know a lot of our newer Lizards wonder why us old timers turned away from the left after 9-11.
I don’t. I understand the reasons, I just don’t agree with them. The right’s response after 9/11 was every bit as crankodoodle, but at least the left tried to keep wars from being started over it. Not so on the right; question their wars or other forms of humanity-hate, you’re a terrorist yourself.
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Four More Tears Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:35:50am |
Interesting Frum piece:
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darthstar Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:35:54am |
Okay…got five minutes before I have to leave, so I’ll try to be as comprehensive as possible…
Sergey - the SYF “skulls” (Steal Your Face) avatars are part of the whole Grateful Dead thing. I self-identify as a Deadhead simply because I love the music and most of the people in the Dead community - of which I’m still a fairly active member.
I’ll never forget where I was on 9/11…and that’s good enough for me. Peace to the victims still suffering - I know people who haven’t recovered psychologically and have entirely changed their lives as a result. I don’t do the big memorial thing…they tend to get commercialized in this country and the original intent gets lost in the shuffle…at least to me it does, so I choose to ignore these super-anniversary festivities. The seventh inning stretch today will have us singing “God Bless America” instead of “Take Me Out To The Ballgame”…a Sunday day game “American tradition” since 2001.
okay, that’s it…laters..
…and you’re all still wrong and then they had sex together.
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sagehen Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:37:37am |
re: #407 RogueOne
I was reading something about the race and I was just curious if any of the LGF’ers lived in the district. The only 2 NY’ers I know around here are you and lawhawk.
Lawhawk is a Jerseyite. Not the same thing at all. [I’m too mature now to sneer at the “bridge and tunnel people”, but back in my ClubKid days….]
I’m on the Upper West Side… the most liberal of Limousine Liberal districts. My precinct voted 84-16 for Obama, and we’re a huge Dem fundraiser district. A few days before the ‘08 election Morning Joe sent Willie Geist to stand in front of Zabar’s in a McCain-Palin t-shirt, asking passers-by for their support on Tuesday… he couldn’t get a single one. Most of the people he asked just laughed out loud.
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Lidane Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:40:21am |
re: #415 Sergey Romanov
The right went even more crazy after 9/11, see the Iraq War, torture, Islamophobia and so on, so I don’t see how anything some lefty says would justify turning to the right.
The moonbats on the far left were disconnected from reality before 9/11. They’re still disconnected now. That’s not a surprise. What is amazing to me is just how unhinged many on the right got ten years ago, and how they have not been able to move forward since.
I think there is a lot of fear on the right. I know that one of my FB friends, who is damn near a wingnut, admitted today that his biggest takeaway from 9/11, and what has lasted with him the longest is paranoia. He literally looks around him everywhere he goes — the grocery store, a ball game, etc. — and he keeps wondering if that’s where the next terrorist attack will come. He’s immediately suspicious and looks for Al Qaeda around every corner.
He calls it being vigilant and being on guard all the time. I call it living in fear. I couldn’t imagine living that way.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:40:30am |
re: #416 jaunte
Good grief. Unfortunately, these are the kind of people who might choose not to vote for Obama next time in protest because he’s been too much of a hawk.
Some doofus over there has a signature that says something like “Obama and anyone who voted for him are complicit in the Bush-Cheney war crimes!!!” How sad life must be for some of these moonbats.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:42:43am |
re: #422 Atlas Fails
Some doofus over there has a signature that says something like “Obama and anyone who voted for him are complicit in the Bush-Cheney war crimes!!!” How sad life must be for some of these moonbats.
That’s quite marginal even there.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:44:15am |
re: #422 Atlas Fails
Can you point to that comment? I wonder if he got downdinged.
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Atlas Fails Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:47:03am |
re: #423 Sergey Romanov
That’s quite marginal even there.
True, I’m all for legitimate criticisms of Obama, like his failure to close Gitmo or his caving to the GOP on key economic issues like the debt ceiling and the Bush tax cuts. When someone starts ranting about how both the parties are really just the same, man, and that Obama’s just keepin’ the people down like Bush did, man, and capitalism is teh evil, I quickly tune out.
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Four More Tears Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:47:59am |
Speaking of NY-9…
New York GOP Exploits 9/11 Anniversary, Sends Islamophobic Mailer To Voters In NY Special Election
The incendiary flierwas sent out on behalf of Republican businessman Bob Turner who is seeking to take former Rep. Anthony Weiner’s (D) seat. As seen below, the front of the flier features a gold-domed mosque rising out of the ruins of the World Trade Center site with a quote from Weprin stating “I support the right of the mosque to build.” The other side places Weprin next to Obama and reads “Weprin stands with Obama — and they stand together in support of the mosque at Ground Zero”:
Registered voters in New York congressional district 9 received the mailer “in the past week, landing in the days leading up to the 10th anniversary” of the attacks. It was intended as a “chaser” piece to Turner’s TV ad that blasts Weprin for his support of Park51. Calling it “a purposeful and confrontational act of provocation,” the TV narrator says, “It’s been 10 short years. Everyone remembers. Some, though, want to commemorate the tragedy by building a mosque on Ground Zero.”
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:53:47am |
Colts game is about to start and I still have hope. Enjoy the rest of your day folks.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:56:51am |
re: #421 Lidane
He calls it being vigilant and being on guard all the time. I call it living in fear. I couldn’t imagine living that way.
They thrive on it..aren’t happy unless they are in constant misery.
Anyone who doesn’t live that way or doesn’t want to is the biggest threats to that way of life, even beyond their “terrorist” 2 mins. hate/muslim islamicist bogeyman.
We remind them they do not have to live like that, and they r-e-s-e-n-t it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:57:48am |
re: #426 JasonA
Speaking of NY-9…
New York GOP Exploits 9/11 Anniversary, Sends Islamophobic Mailer To Voters In NY Special Election
I expect that to work very well for them, too.
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wee fury Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:59:21am |
9-11 … I’m remembering and leaving all politics out of it.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:01:18am |
I was on my way to school to take a test when the 1st tower was hit. Mancow was on my radio and he was screaming about the tower being hit which I didn’t believe him because well, he’s Mancow. I was in my final year as a civil/structural engineering student. I did start a side project to determine the towers failure but it was a very busy year and I didn’t have much time for side stuff. Our class didn’t find out until after our test about the second tower.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:03:09am |
[Link: www.almasryalyoum.com…]
Egyptian military police have arrested a new group of protesters who allegedly tried to storm the Israeli Embassy in Cairo last Friday, bringing the number of detainees to 130, state-run media reported on Sunday.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:08:11am |
re: #431 Amory Blaine
I was on my way to school to take a test when the 1st tower was hit. Mancow was on my radio and he was screaming about the tower being hit which I didn’t believe him because well, he’s Mancow. I was in my final year as a civil/structural engineering student. I did start a side project to determine the towers failure but it was a very busy year and I didn’t have much time for side stuff. Our class didn’t find out until after our test about the second tower.
Mancow tried to relaunch his career as a libertarian right wing political news show. I don’t think it caught on.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:11:03am |
re: #415 Sergey Romanov
Provocativeness of the titles aside, these are mainly pieces against exploitation and misuse of 9/11, maybe crude. I don’t see how they explain the turn from the left. The right went even more crazy after 9/11, see the Iraq War, torture, Islamophobia and so on, so I don’t see how anything some lefty says would justify turning to the right.
If you don’t see it I probably can’t explain it to you. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:14:01am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
He was cancelled in my town very shortly after 9/11. There were other morons ready to take the place as the right wing victims on morning rock shows here. Plays very well among the 18-34 crowd of white christian victims.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:21:55am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
I know a lot of our newer Lizards wonder why us old timers turned away from the left after 9-11. Here are the top recommended diaries on DKos this morning…
I don’t care about your 9/11 story
The right wing exploited rubes very skillfully after 9/11. People who “turned from the left” did so with the hive mentality. I remember being called a traitor for being against Iraq.
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Alexzander Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:32:24am |
I think a lot of people who shifted to the right still lack the proper self-reflection to understand the psychological forces at play.
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blueraven Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:38:31am |
re: #436 Amory Blaine
The right wing exploited rubes very skillfully after 9/11. People who “turned from the left” did so with the hive mentality. I remember being called a traitor for being against Iraq.
Lets face it…we all went a little nuts after 9/11. Left and Right withdrew to their extremes and fed off of each other. The short moment of unity following the event was squandered. It became a zero sum game; you are with us or against us. The moderate voice, as usual, was lost as people chose their sides.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:40:57am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Damn, creepy moths have invaded the pantry. Gotta throw everything out. Ick.
You are becoming Jame Gumb.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:44:33am |
re: #438 blueraven
We did. But there was no balance of public viewpoints. If someone strayed form the White House narrative they were slapped down and slapped down hard. The left was vilified everywhere.
Appeasers
Traitors
Unamerican
Don’t criticize the POTUS in times of war etc etc
This country needed a leadership that was resistant to the call for blood. Is there any doubt that we would be better off if we had more surgical strikes coupled with a strong diplomatic front instead of Bushes hammer? You are right that we all went crazy and us and ours are going to be paying for it a long time.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:46:16am |
re: #438 blueraven
There were and are extremes on the left, but whence is the claim that the whole left became extreme?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:47:17am |
re: #436 Amory Blaine
The right wing exploited rubes very skillfully after 9/11. People who “turned from the left” did so with the hive mentality. I remember being called a traitor for being against Iraq.
Likewise.
I wore the uniform for four years, and I would have died for this country if it had come to that. I still get pissed off for having my patriotism called into question simply because I wasn’t as thrilled about the rush to war as they were.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:47:41am |
re: #441 Sergey Romanov
(That the right became even more extreme goes without saying, of course. I won’t play MBF.)
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b_sharp Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:51:09am |
re: #438 blueraven
Lets face it…we all went a little nuts after 9/11. Left and Right withdrew to their extremes and fed off of each other. The short moment of unity following the event was squandered. It became a zero sum game; you are with us or against us. The moderate voice, as usual, was lost as people chose their sides.
“T[h]e atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue.”:Krugman
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blueraven Sun, Sep 11, 2011 10:55:41am |
re: #441 Sergey Romanov
There were and are extremes on the left, but whence is the claim that the whole left became extreme?
I think each side was portrayed by the extreme, not the reality. There were moderate voices on each side. The media did play a huge part in this. They didn’t want to be on the “wrong” side, and for the most part erred on the side of over reaction.
Obviously the “Right” extreme won the battle.
Look how many supposed liberals in Congress voted to go into Iraq.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 11:00:54am |
re: #445 blueraven
Exactly, spineless elected Dems chose the shitty middle, as usual. If they were leftist extremists, they wouldn’t have supported the war. The right went bonkers and the left abetted it for the fear of looking unpatriotic. That’s pure right-wing excess.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Sep 11, 2011 11:04:49am |
re: #446 Sergey Romanov
Exactly, spineless elected Dems chose the shitty middle, as usual. If they were leftist extremists, they wouldn’t have supported the war. The right went bonkers and the left abetted it for the fear of looking unpatriotic. That’s pure right-wing excess.
Look at where the middle is now.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Sep 11, 2011 11:07:21am |
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Lidane Sun, Sep 11, 2011 12:01:09pm |
re: #436 Amory Blaine
I remember being called a traitor for being against Iraq.
After 9/11, I spent the remainder of Bush’s time in office being called a traitor for opposing Iraq, and really for opposing the GOP in general. Things like nuance got thrown out the window. You were either in favor of nuking Mecca and Medina and turning the Middle East into a parking lot, or you were a godless, America hating traitor who would have supported the Nazis in WW2.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Sep 11, 2011 12:40:34pm |
That morning I got up, made my coffee, went over to flip on the TV, and spent 5 minutes arguing with my roommate over what disaster movie was on the TV. Then we changed the channel and it was on every station. Then it dawned on us.
It seemed too ridiculous a thing to be real at the time.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Sep 11, 2011 4:14:18pm |
re: #27 Bubblehead II
Night Lizards. Contemplate what I posted in my number 1.
Those who wish ill towards us, are still here.
When I first joined, I recall asking the Lizard Nation to take a look around as they drove to work. Just what would a terrorist agent be looking for?
I got, at best, ignored/ridiiculed. I now again ask the same question.
What in YOUR AREA is a potentinal “soft” target?
What would its destruction do to you?
Hint: Small hydro dams, Transmission lines, Telco Relay Stations, Refineries.
But as usual, this post will be ignored. That is until the the first HP transmission lines come crashing down and you don’t have the power to reply.
Sleep well Lizards.
I recall thinking about just that one fine day a few months later, while attending a conference in San Diego. And I realized, then, that the United States has effectively infinitely deep strategic resources from the perspective of any terrorist movement. There are soft targets galore, but they are, almost all of them, of no great moment. There are too many, far too many, to hit any meaningful fraction of them with the kind of resources they have.
The loss of power for a few days? We have done worse to ourselves with human error and taken it in stride. The loss of a hundred lives here, or a dozen there? Auto accidents take a toll of tens of thousands a year.
We must be vigilant. We must think about the details and try our best to stop or minimize the effectiveness of all further attacks. But there is really nothing they can do that will alter the big picture.
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