Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) Doubles Down on Anti-Vaccination

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Michele Bachmann is still hammering away at Rick Perry’s mandated HPV vaccinations, with another new video that sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom.

Youtube Video

If you listen carefully to what Bachmann is saying (and we all know how painful that can be), she’s actually making two arguments: 1) that Rick Perry is corrupt, and was doing the bidding of the pharmaceutical lobby to profit financially and/or politically, and 2) that HPV vaccinations are immoral and contrary to “family values.”

The first argument (her “crony capitalism” talking point) is not without merit. It isn’t difficult to picture Rick Perry trading political favors with one of the richest lobbies in America. That’s what politicians do, especially Republicans.

The second argument, however, is where she reveals her true objection to the HPV vaccinations, because whether or not Perry was engaged in “crony capitalism,” the larger issue is whether the vaccinations are good public policy. It’s quite possible that Perry had selfish reasons, but I think most reasonable people would agree that it’s good to prevent the spread of cervical cancer; Perry did the right thing for the wrong reason.

It’s clever of Bachmann to try to package her attack on Rick Perry as an argument against “crony capitalism,” but Bachmann’s objection to the vaccine is clearly based on her religious right conviction that preventing consequences from STDs will encourage young people to have sex. She gives it away when she recites the “family values” mantra. Isn’t it a “family value” to try to prevent your children from dying of a horrible disease?

Michael Gerson has a piece in the Washington Post on the HPV debate, with a good comment on this sick and disturbing world view:

The objections to routine HPV vaccination cluster in a few areas. First, it is alleged that removing medical penalties for sexual contact — in this case, HPV and cervical cancer — will encourage sex. A protective shot given to a girl on the verge of sexual maturity, in this view, may be taken as permission for experimentation.

This type of argument is inherently difficult to prove or disprove. But it is unlikely that a 16-year-old making sexual choices is focused on her chances of getting a cancer that might develop 20 years in the future — a hypothetical event beyond the time horizon of the adolescent mind.

The more disturbing moral failure concerns any parent who would entertain this argument. Try to imagine a parent-daughter conversation about sexual restraint and maturity that includes the words: “Honey, I’m going to deny you a vaccine that prevents a horrible, bleeding cancer, just as a little reminder of the religious values I’ve been trying to teach you.” This would be morally monstrous. Such ethical electroshock therapy has nothing to do with cultivation of character in children. It certainly has nothing to do with Christianity, which teaches that moral rules are created for the benefit of the individual, not to punish them with preventable death.

This approach to moral education may appeal to a certain kind of conservative politician. How could it possibly appeal to a parent, conservative or otherwise?

Unfortunately, this argument absolutely does appeal to quite a few fundamentalist parents; that’s why Michele Bachmann is making it.

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267 comments

1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:50:21am

Alien doesn't know when to quit when she is behind.

2 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:51:22am

"This above all is the greatest treason,
To do the right thing for the wrong reason."

--Murder in the Cathedral

3 Kragar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:52:05am

Vaccinations obstruct God's plan to punish human wickedness.

4 Altermite  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:55:28am

People should stop being good. Otherwise, what on earth would god punish?

5 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:55:31am

“Honey, I’m going to deny you a vaccine that prevents a horrible, bleeding cancer, just as a little reminder of the religious values I’ve been trying to teach you.”

Fundamentalist evangelicalism in a nutshell.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:56:20am

Has she produced the child who was supposedly given mental retardation by Gardasil?

Not much to say about this. People are being lied to about this, and their lack of critical thinking skills, and desire to adhere to a moral code that's more flash than substance will kill a few of their children along the way.

7 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:59:42am

The box she's built around herself keeps shrinking. Before long, only the top-shelf crazies will consider her presidential material.

Everyone else will look at her and see her for what she is - a religious whack-job.

8 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:01:27am

re: #5 Bulworth

“Honey, I’m going to deny you a vaccine that prevents a horrible, bleeding cancer, just as a little reminder of the religious values I’ve been trying to teach you.”

Google Image Search for HPV*

Yeah! Let's keep young people unprotected from that! Pro-life!!!1!! 9_9

*WARNING: link not safe for work, stomach, or eyeballs

9 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:03:45am

re: #7 makeitstop

The box she's built around herself keeps shrinking. Before long, only the top-shelf crazies will consider her presidential material.

Everyone else will look at her and see her for what she is - a religious whack-job.

Please don't insult religious whackjobs.

10 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:06:40am

re: #9 Alouette

Please don't insult religious whackjobs.

You're right, there's more at play. IIRC, she planted a large face-suck on GWB as he walked through Congress at a State-of-the-Union. Her repertory seems to include a good chunk of sexualized self-display.

11 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:06:57am

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

"Fuck it. I've had it with this country."

12 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:07:58am

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

"Fuck it. I've had it with this country."

There is no better place to make a stand.

13 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:08:37am

Next up: Smallpox. Part of God's plan.

14 BishopX  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:08:51am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know you were speaking sarcastically. But I have an honest question about this type of belief. Is there any modern christian theology to back up the idea that contemporary suffering has anything to do with one's state of grace?

15 allegro  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:10:26am

re: #14 BishopX

I know you were speaking sarcastically. But I have an honest question about this type of belief. Is there any modern christian theology to back up the idea that contemporary suffering has anything to do with one's state of grace?

Mother Theresa believed it. She withheld pain meds from suffering patients so they could be closer to Jesus.

16 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:10:37am

re: #14 BishopX

I know you were speaking sarcastically. But I have an honest question about this type of belief. Is there any modern christian theology to back up the idea that contemporary suffering has anything to do with one's state of grace?

Can only speak up to the 60s, but Catholics would allow for the possibility. They don't make it a feature.

17 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:12:13am

re: #15 allegro

Mother Theresa believed it. She withheld pain meds from suffering patients so they could be closer to Jesus.

I really want to see that well documented. It is not regular. I will believe she didn't have meds, and made the best of it.

18 BishopX  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:12:24am

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Which way does it go? Suffering brings you closer to God or your distance from God brings you suffering?

19 uncah91  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:13:00am

re: #5 Bulworth

“Honey, I’m going to deny you a vaccine that prevents a horrible, bleeding cancer, just as a little reminder of the religious values I’ve been trying to teach you.”

Fundamentalist evangelicalism in a nutshell.

I'm not sure this is really it. I think the fundamentalists regards pre-marital sex as mortal sin, as such, it's unthinkable to contemplate preparing for it or being responsible about it or talking about it, for gosh sake.

20 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:14:45am

re: #18 BishopX

Which way does it go? Suffering brings you closer to God or your distance from God brings you suffering?

Old catechism: Your sin merits suffering, which can be satisfied in this life or the next. (There are other ways around it, which really tied a knot in Luther's Augustinian gutchies.)

21 KingKenrod  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:16:14am

What Perry allegedly did for Merck pales with what Obama actually did with Big Pharma to get HCR passed. It may not have been a "personal" favor, but I wonder who thinks it was the right thing? It guaranteed high drug prices.

22 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:17:00am

Marxist tyrant tests new mind control technology
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23 Kragar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:17:31am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

Has she produced the child who was supposedly given mental retardation by Gardasil?

How could you differentiate the child from any of her other supporters?

24 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:18:11am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Marxist tyrant tests new mind control technology
Image: x610.jpg

....on white voters!
/DRUDGE

25 sagehen  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:18:14am

re: #14 BishopX

I know you were speaking sarcastically. But I have an honest question about this type of belief. Is there any modern christian theology to back up the idea that contemporary suffering has anything to do with one's state of grace?

Until the mid-20th century, obstetricians used to refuse pain meds to women in labor because the Bible said childbirth was supposed to hurt.

26 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:18:42am
27 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:19:16am

I know why Bachmann is so offended by this vaccine. She herself is a virus, and can hear the screams of papilloma.

28 sagehen  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:19:50am

re: #26 MikeySDCA

Not to mention old favorites like the plague and new friends like AIDS.

If AIDS is God's punishment for sinning, does that mean He wants us all to be lesbians? I don't think I can do that...

29 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:20:17am

re: #19 uncah91

I'm not sure this is really it. I think the fundamentalists regards pre-marital sex as mortal sin, as such, it's unthinkable to contemplate preparing for it or being responsible about it or talking about it, for gosh sake.

Which is really inconsiderate of reality. Suppose a girl who is a virgin marries someone she thinks is a virgin, but that person had sexual contact, voluntary or otherwise, that exposed him to HPV. She can be doing everything according to Bachmann's values, yet still be punished with a horrible bleeding cancer. It's inconsiderate of reality and and one's daughters.

30 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:20:25am

re: #28 sagehen

If AIDS is God's punishment for sinning, does that mean He wants us all to be lesbians? I don't think I can do that...

I can!

31 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:21:30am

re: #28 sagehen

If AIDS is God's punishment for sinning, does that mean He wants us all to be lesbians? I don't think I can do that...

God knows I've done my part.

32 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:21:52am
33 Kragar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:22:48am

re: #28 sagehen

If AIDS is God's punishment for sinning, does that mean He wants us all to be lesbians? I don't think I can do that...

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

34 Kragar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:23:12am

re: #32 MikeySDCA

Not invariably. Queen Victoria received chloroform after about her third delivery.

Its good to be the queen.

35 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:23:56am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its good to be the queen.

And Head of the Church of England.

36 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:26:07am

But it is unlikely that a 16-year-old making sexual choices

it is unlikely that a 16-year-old is thinking about much of anything except sex and how to have it

37 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:26:51am

re: #2 Decatur Deb

"This above all is the greatest treason,
To do the right thing for the wrong reason."

--Murder in the Cathedral

re: #35 Decatur Deb

And Head of the Church of England.

Nice blogularity there.

38 Kragar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:29:19am

re: #37 iossarian

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Nice blogularity there.

Better than my 33 and 34 read together in quick succession.

39 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:30:17am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Better than my 33 and 34 read together in quick succession.

NTTAWWT

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:30:54am

Bachmann is nuts. No ifs, ands, ors about it.

41 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:32:24am

The last three words in the article linked at the top are pertinent to Bachmann's qualifications, and the lack thereof, for the office of President, and the office she currently holds.

But it is Bachmann, not Perry, who would put girls and women at greater health risk based on moral confusion and public health illiteracy.

42 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:39:31am

public health illiteracy

literacy, illiteracy - what's the big deal? the difference is only a couple of letters...

43 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:41:25am

BBL

44 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:42:11am

pretty amazing that MO and french fries get more national exposure than MB lunacy...either people just are not paying attention or they don't care or they agree entirely...but to let these shills get away with their bullshit is bad mojo...we are beginning to look like an entire nation of fools, not just a few...I'm pretty unflappable but these cats are scary

45 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:44:30am

The loneliest job in the world must be the Bachmann campaign pollster. No matter what sand she throws in the air, it never seems to gain traction.

46 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:46:02am

re: #44 albusteve

pretty amazing that MO and french fries get more national exposure than MB lunacy...either people just are not paying attention or they don't care or they agree entirely...but to let these shills get away with their bullshit is bad mojo...we are beginning to look like an entire nation of fools, not just a few...I'm pretty unflappable but these cats are scary

The game's rigged, simple as that. The coverage I heard of Boehner's 'jobs speech' I heard on CBS Radio last night would have you thinking he was president.

When the crazies are presented as level-headed policy makers and the president is marginalized to the point where it sound's like he's the one being obstructionist, I don't see how anything is going to change how screwed this country is right now.

47 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:53:05am

re: #46 makeitstop

The game's rigged, simple as that. The coverage I heard of Boehner's 'jobs speech' I heard on CBS Radio last night would have you thinking he was president.

When the crazies are presented as level-headed policy makers and the president is marginalized to the point where it sound's like he's the one being obstructionist, I don't see how anything is going to change how screwed this country is right now.

utterly dismissing the POTUS is dangerous on a few levels...submitting to the GOP is simply unthinkable...I don't have any answers but I know there is a solution....at the least the donks need to keep hammering away with proposals and legislation...they must forge ahead regardless and not roll over....even tho they don't have the votes, they have their voices, and they better get smart in a hurry

48 allegro  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:54:52am

re: #47 albusteve

utterly dismissing the POTUS is dangerous on a few levels...submitting to the GOP is simply unthinkable...I don't have any answers but I know there is a solution...at the least the donks need to keep hammering away with proposals and legislation...they must forge ahead regardless and not roll over...even tho they don't have the votes, they have their voices, and they better get smart in a hurry

Wow, Steve! You're sounding like the "Professional Left" here. I always knew you were a DFH at heart.

49 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:55:08am

re: #47 albusteve

utterly dismissing the POTUS is dangerous on a few levels...submitting to the GOP is simply unthinkable...I don't have any answers but I know there is a solution...at the least the donks need to keep hammering away with proposals and legislation...they must forge ahead regardless and not roll over...even tho they don't have the votes, they have their voices, and they better get smart in a hurry

Fully agree.

50 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:57:09am

re: #46 makeitstop

Hey, does your band have a name, by the way?

51 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:58:13am
52 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:58:20am

re: #50 Obdicut

Hey, does your band have a name, by the way?

Arlene's World Famous Live Rock Karaoke Band. AWF for short. :)

53 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:58:29am

re: #48 allegro

Wow, Steve! You're sounding like the "Professional Left" here. I always knew you were a DFH at heart.

I'm a proud American....political parties are the bane of their own system and I hardly favor one over another...I'm a natural conservative in terms of economy, defense and taxes but I'm flexible and try to play it down the middle....I smell danger ahead

54 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 11:59:26am

re: #53 albusteve

I'm a proud American...political parties are the bane of their own system and I hardly favor one over another...I'm a natural conservative in terms of economy, defense and taxes but I'm flexible and try to play it down the middle...I smell danger ahead

Yup.

55 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:01:19pm

OT: Gah.... I think I just killed Firefox. It now refuses to restart claiming an error. Tried restarting computer to no avail. Tried reloading, but it seems to be some kind of screwup with my personal settings. Grrrrrr. So I'm stuck with IE until I can clear this up.

56 BishopX  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:01:48pm

re: #55 lawhawk

What were you doing?

57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:01:50pm

Michele Bachmann is a dumb, ignorant confederate.

58 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:02:02pm

re: #52 makeitstop

Arlene's World Famous Live Rock Karaoke Band. AWF for short. :)

It's good to know where to draw the line. AWF is so much better than AWFL.

59 uncah91  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:02:22pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

Which is really inconsiderate of reality. Suppose a girl who is a virgin marries someone she thinks is a virgin, but that person had sexual contact, voluntary or otherwise, that exposed him to HPV. She can be doing everything according to Bachmann's values, yet still be punished with a horrible bleeding cancer. It's inconsiderate of reality and and one's daughters.

Oh, reality isn't the strong point of any fundamentalist.

I just think it pays to try and understand the world view correctly if you want to combat it.

60 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:03:51pm

re: #56 BishopX

Nothing that wouldn't be doing otherwise. Browsing in multiple tabs.

61 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:04:29pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

It's good to know where to draw the line. AWF is so much better than AWFL.

It took me a few seconds to get that. I'm slow on the uptake today. :)

62 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:05:28pm
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base is on lockdown.

Airman Michael Washburn confirmed the lockdown, but said he could not give a reason for the order.

However, D-M said later today that there is a 'potential security situation' but no details were provided.

Read more: [Link: azstarnet.com...]

There's no "more" there at this point.

63 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:07:09pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Nothing that wouldn't be doing otherwise. Browsing in multiple tabs.

what's your Space Invaders score?

64 allegro  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:07:19pm

re: #55 lawhawk

OT: Gah... I think I just killed Firefox. It now refuses to restart claiming an error. Tried restarting computer to no avail. Tried reloading, but it seems to be some kind of screwup with my personal settings. Grrr. So I'm stuck with IE until I can clear this up.

Give yourself a gift and try Chrome.

65 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:08:46pm

Good news from Denmark. The Danish People's Party took a massive beating in the polls, resulting in the Left in Denmark taking over.

The Danish People's Party was the one that was Anti-Muslim in the coalition government.

Looks like the attack in Norway did wake up one country, at least.

66 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:09:58pm

re: #55 lawhawk

OT: Gah... I think I just killed Firefox. It now refuses to restart claiming an error. Tried restarting computer to no avail. Tried reloading, but it seems to be some kind of screwup with my personal settings. Grrr. So I'm stuck with IE until I can clear this up.

I can't pick just one. Have them all.

67 BishopX  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:10:52pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Sounds like it's time to switch to chrome (note: this was written in FF).

68 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:11:10pm

Rahm is clamping down...if it succeeds, it will go nationwide

"You can't ask the taxpayers to pay for a healthcare problem that you can manage and do a good job," Emanuel said. "You can do that with cholesterol, you can do that through diabetes, you can do that through smoking, through heart, blood pressure. Every one of those is manageable."

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

69 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:11:37pm

re: #65 ProLifeLiberal

Good news from Denmark. The Danish People's Party took a massive beating in the polls, resulting in the Left in Denmark taking over.

The Danish People's Party was the one that was Anti-Muslim in the coalition government.

Looks like the attack in Norway did wake up one country, at least.

does that mean i can have a frikadeller sandwich now?

70 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:12:26pm

This was fun to watch last night...The Panda after sliding in for his triple to complete the cycle.
Image: 316641_10150312416686382_668826381_7795767_1578357745_n.jpg

71 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:12:31pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

I can't pick just one. Have them all.

two headed fox are fairly common

72 allegro  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:12:41pm

re: #68 albusteve

Rahm is clamping down...if it succeeds, it will go nationwide

"You can't ask the taxpayers to pay for a healthcare problem that you can manage and do a good job," Emanuel said. "You can do that with cholesterol, you can do that through diabetes, you can do that through smoking, through heart, blood pressure. Every one of those is manageable."

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

He's pretty much an idiot, ain't he.

73 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:12:57pm

re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Michele Bachmann is a dumb, ignorant confederate.

As a northern Confederate, she's a Copperhead, just as Boehner is a Coppertone.

74 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:15:06pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

75 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:16:42pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Okay...

Something hit the fan.

76 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:20:35pm

Congress mulls closing PLO mission in Washington in light of UN bid
The Americans were frustrated that years of financial aid, currently comprising 600 million dollars annually, intended to promote peace negotiations and stability did not yield many material results.

no shit...we are funding terrorists, what a crazy world

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

77 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:23:22pm

re: #74 lawhawk

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

Thanks. That's better with the updates than the local outlet.

78 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:25:15pm

re: #76 albusteve

Congress mulls closing PLO mission in Washington in light of UN bid
The Americans were frustrated that years of financial aid, currently comprising 600 million dollars annually, intended to promote peace negotiations and stability did not yield many material results.

no shit...we are funding terrorists, what a crazy world

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Wow, did you read the comments?

I have never been able to post a comment at Haaretz. I guess it's because I'm not batshitty enough.

79 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:26:24pm

re: #76 albusteve

Congress mulls closing PLO mission in Washington in light of UN bid
The Americans were frustrated that years of financial aid, currently comprising 600 million dollars annually, intended to promote peace negotiations and stability did not yield many material results.

no shit...we are funding terrorists, what a crazy world

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

We've been funding bad guys for 60+ years.
We're crazy.
;)

80 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:27:34pm

re: #78 Alouette

Wow, did you read the comments?

a few...makes me want to move to Israel and enlist in the IDF

81 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:29:50pm

re: #80 albusteve

a few...makes me want to move to Israel and enlist in the IDF

Watch out for the Duke!

82 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:30:48pm

re: #80 albusteve

a few...makes me want to move to Israel and enlist in the IDF

so that's not the same as the Impossible Missions Force?

83 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:31:12pm

Colorado cat, missing for 5 years, found in NYC

That's why all of our animals are chipped.

84 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:32:02pm

re: #82 engineer dog

so that's not the same as the Impossible Missions Force?

at my age, it's even beyond that

85 zora  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:32:35pm

re: #15 allegro

re: #81 Varek Raith

i've only heard this from hitchens, who hates christians and mother theresa.

86 Summer Seale  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:33:27pm

I'd love to channel Michele Bachmann, but my problem is that I don't have any access to acid tabs to do the job properly.

87 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:34:23pm

re: #86 Summer

I'd love to channel Michele Bachmann, but my problem is that I don't have any access to acid tabs to do the job properly.

Are you facing underemployment as SP implodes?

88 Summer Seale  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:35:10pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Are you facing underemployment as SP implodes?

I'm feeling the pinch.

89 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:36:05pm
...another new video that sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom.

Advice for anyone who wants their videos to seem more professional: buy a cheaper camcorder and invest $300 in a wireless lapel mic and radio receiver that plugs into the audio input jack of the camera.

90 Atlas Fails  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:37:37pm

Speaking of family values, last week I sent an email to ABC telling them to keep up the good work with Chaz Bono. I sent this email through OneMillionMoms.com (thinking it would be fitting to use their own "internet stationary," if you will, against them), and have been receiving email notifications from them ever since. Check out the latest:

Ben & Jerry's Tasteless Ice Cream Flavors

September 15, 2011

Dear bob,

Ben & Jerry's announced their newest ice cream flavor which sounds anything but appealing. Schweddy Balls is the best they could come up with. The vulgar new flavor has turned something as innocent as ice cream into something repulsive. Not exactly what you want a child asking for at the supermarket.

The name originated from a Saturday Night Live skit featuring Alec Baldwin as Pete Schweddy, owner of a holiday bakery called Season's Eatings. "There are lots of great treats this time of year," Schweddy says. "Zucchini bread, fruitcake, but the thing I most like to bring out at this time of the year are my balls."

He then explains that he sells popcorn balls, cheese balls, rum balls—balls for every taste—and the ball puns proceed for about four minutes. Ben & Jerry's chose to go with fudge-covered rum and malt balls for their flavor. The skit culminates in Baldwin stating that "No one can resist my Schweddy Balls."

In the past, Ben & Jerry's has released controversial ice creams, like a special edition of Chubby Hubby called Hubby Hubby last year which celebrated gay marriage. It seems that offending customers has become an annual tradition for Ben & Jerry's.

The ice cream is being released in a limited batch, which means it will be distributed nationwide but only for three or four months. If it proves popular, another batch might be forthcoming, but we hope not.

"The name is irreverent," says Ben & Jerry's spokesman Sean Greenwood. "But we've always been about having some irreverence and having some fun ... We're not trying to offend people. Our fans get the humor."

TAKE ACTION

Please send Ben & Jerry's Public Relations Manager, Sean Greenwood, an email letter requesting that no additional Schweddy Balls ice cream be distributed. Also, highly recommend they refrain from producing another batch with this name or any other offensive names or you will no longer be able to purchase their products.

Send Your Letter Now!

Sincerely,

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As Charles would say, this is beyond parody.

91 Origuy  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:38:16pm

If the HPV vaccine makes you want to have sex, why doesn't the tetanus vaccine make you want to roll around on a pile of rusty nails?

92 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:38:30pm

Atheist group to rip Bible pages in H.B. Saturday

Members of a grassroots atheist group say they will tear out pages of the Bible at the Huntington Beach pier Saturday to point out what they say is immorality in the book many Christians base their faith on.

Backyard Skeptics members plan to rip out pages with specific passages of the Bible that they say portray immoral biblical law, organizers say.

“We’re not there to burn the Bible or desecrate,” Bruce Gleason, director of Backyard Skeptics, said. “There are plenty verses in the Bible that if you did any of those things today, you’d be thrown in jail immediately.”

*YAWN*
This has not escaped the attention of the Fever Swamp, with most responses being of the "try it with a Quran" type. The very oddly named poster sodpoodle predicts that a rogue tsunami will wash away the pier, then emphasizes that he/she is serious since "God's earth is in revolt."

93 Hal_10000  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:39:17pm

Bachmann's view on this is nuclear stupid. HPV can be spread *without* sex, by fooling around, by oral sex, possibly even by kissing. It could even be spread by non-sexual skin-to-skin contact.

In other words, you could have two people go their wedding bed as unsullied virgins and they would still get HPV.

94 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:39:39pm

re: #91 Origuy

If the HPV vaccine makes you want to have sex, why doesn't the tetanus vaccine make you want to roll around on a pile of rusty nails?

It doesn't?
/

95 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:40:18pm

re: #83 makeitstop

Colorado cat, missing for 5 years, found in NYC

That's why all of our animals are chipped.

Kitteh in the citteh.

Why do they assume that kitteh wants to go back to that lame, boring family?

96 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:40:41pm

re: #91 Origuy

If the HPV vaccine makes you want to have sex, why doesn't the tetanus vaccine make you want to roll around on a pile of rusty nails?

The HPV vaccine takes away all the consequences of sex. How will we ever keep our teenage daughters from becoming the town whore if we can't scare them by saying that sex will give them cancer?

/Bachmann

97 Political Atheist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:41:42pm

re: #89 Charleston Chew

Advice for anyone who wants their videos to seem more professional: buy a cheaper camcorder and invest $300 in a wireless lapel mic and radio receiver that plugs into the audio input jack of the camera.

Depending on the video genre -I have some experience with that. Wireless (I have a Sony) can be subject to interference, like fluorescent lights have forced me to go back to a wired lavalier. Or consider a camera mic., which will be an investment I make pretty soon myself for my D7 SLR.

98 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:42:32pm

re: #93 Hal_10000

Bachmann's view on this is nuclear stupid. HPV can be spread *without* sex, by fooling around, by oral sex, possibly even by kissing. It could even be spread by non-sexual skin-to-skin contact.

In other words, you could have two people go their wedding bed as unsullied virgins and they would still get HPV.

Stop bringing facts into the discussion. Don't you know that we don't need them? We just KNOW that the HPV vaccine makes your daughter mentally retarded and makes her spread her legs.

///

99 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:43:04pm

re: #90 Atlas Fails

The skit culminates in Baldwin stating that "No one can resist my Schweddy Balls."

Seeing the quotes from the sketch written out is almost funnier than the sketch itself. I find it hard to be outraged while giggling.

100 Summer Seale  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:43:26pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel

Atheist group to rip Bible pages in H.B. Saturday

*YAWN*
This has not escaped the attention of the Fever Swamp, with most responses being of the "try it with a Quran" type. The very oddly named poster sodpoodle predicts that a rogue tsunami will wash away the pier, then emphasizes that he/she is serious since "God's earth is in revolt."

To be fair, there are videos of Tf00t on YouTube burning hundreds of thousands of copies of the Koran at once on his hard drive to prove a very major point.

And, if anyone has seen Thunderf00t, he can't exactly be accused of liking Christian Fundamentalists. He has an entire series on the stupidity of creationism.

He got into a heck of a lot of trouble over his criticism of Islam in the same vein. At least he's entirely consistent.

101 Political Atheist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:44:25pm

re: #91 Origuy

If the HPV vaccine makes you want to have sex, why doesn't the tetanus vaccine make you want to roll around on a pile of rusty nails?

They loved that around my office just now. LOL²

102 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:45:21pm

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

103 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:45:53pm

re: #85 zora

re: #81 Varek Raith

i've only heard this from hitchens, who hates christians and mother theresa.

Snopes has a couple Mother Teresa memes, but nothing like that. Still looking around.

105 Summer Seale  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:46:06pm

re: #102 Charles

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

Careful Charles.

You might come across a few LGF copy sites in Chinese who claim to be the real thing. =)

106 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:46:34pm

re: #97 Rightwingconspirator

Depending on the video genre -I have some experience with that. Wireless (I have a Sony) can be subject to interference, like fluorescent lights have forced me to go back to a wired lavalier. Or consider a camera mic., which will be an investment I make pretty soon myself for my D7 SLR.

Good point. I supposed wired is the safest and simplest.

107 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:46:54pm

re: #102 Charles

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

ZOMG!1! Charles said China is a continent! Outrageous outrage at GatewayPundit!1!

108 Political Atheist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:48:43pm

re: #102 Charles

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

Every time I run down nuisance attacks at our hub at work, its from that same continent. The blocked IP list is becoming a database

109 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:49:44pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

Holy crap, is that for real?

A douchebag walks among us.

110 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:49:51pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

Oooh, look at the high-profile global-warming denier shill, feeling just a little heat over LVQ's page!

Oh, that's rich coming from an institute that lied about smoking in the 90s.

111 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:51:08pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

Oooh, look at the high-profile global-warming denier shill, feeling just a little heat over LVQ's page!

Yes, we have a representative of the Heartland Institute visiting.

A little bit of context here: The Heartland Institute and the Academy of Tobacco Studies.

112 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:51:30pm

re: #102 Charles

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

I would give chinese readers some sort of opt-in backdoor entry and ban chinese IP ranges that try to enter otherwise.

113 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:52:18pm
The first argument (her “crony capitalism” talking point) is not without merit. It isn’t difficult to picture Rick Perry trading political favors with one of the richest lobbies in America. That’s what politicians do, especially Republicans.

Ran across this last night:

Bill White says that Gov. Rick Perry became a millionaire as an elected state official

I imagine it could also be merely a case of sour grapes from a losing candidate, but it's from PolitiFact, and they rate it as "Mostly True." Your mileage may vary.

114 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:52:56pm

re: #109 Obdicut

Holy crap, is that for real?

I believe so, because I saw the exact same name over here:

Heartland Institute’s Non-Experts: “You Experts Are All Wrong!”

Scroll down to the comments.

115 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:53:18pm

re: #102 Charles

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

In the 50s this would have been the stuff of a Galaxy magazine story: In the year 2011, Americans are routinely attacked by Chinese robot armies!

Image: 20100108204815!Galaxy_Science_Fiction_Jan_1953_front_cover.jpg

116 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:55:14pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

Oooh, look at the high-profile global-warming denier shill, feeling just a little heat over LVQ's page!

Hahaha oh wow.

JFTR, I did not and do not intend to defend these guys. Don't feel like they deserve anything like that from me. I seriously was just interested in poking at LVQ's argument.

117 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:57:45pm

re: #105 Summer

Careful Charles.

You might come across a few LGF copy sites in Chinese who claim to be the real thing. =)

Expect to see a site called Rittle Foot Greenbarrs or something to that effect soon. Followed by a bogus domain name conflict email from a fake registrar in Shanghai.

118 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:57:56pm

re: #116 000G

Hahaha oh wow.

JFTR, I did not and do not intend to defend these guys. Don't feel like they deserve anything like that from me. I seriously was just interested in poking at LVQ's argument.

It's all good. At least I can see where you were coming from.
:)

119 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 12:58:05pm

re: #116 000G

Hahaha oh wow.

JFTR, I did not and do not intend to defend these guys. Don't feel like they deserve anything like that from me. I seriously was just interested in poking at LVQ's argument.

If it follows you home, you have to feed it and get it shots.

120 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:00:11pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

If it follows you home, you have to feed it and get it shots.

I'm not so sure. Where does the Heartland Institute stand on the vaccination controversy?

121 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:00:21pm

re: #116 000G

Hahaha oh wow.

JFTR, I did not and do not intend to defend these guys. Don't feel like they deserve anything like that from me. I seriously was just interested in poking at LVQ's argument.

Sometimes, playing Devil's Advocate backfires.

122 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:00:42pm

re: #120 000G

I'm not so sure. Where does the Heartland Institute stand on the vaccination controversy?

Lol.
Probably the wrong side.

123 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:01:31pm

re: #120 000G

I'm not so sure. Where does the Heartland Institute stand on the vaccination controversy?

"The science isn't settled check hasn't cleared the bank".

124 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:02:54pm

re: #120 000G

I'm not so sure. Where does the Heartland Institute stand on the vaccination controversy?

Wherever the Koch brothers tells them to stand.

125 shutdown  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:03:12pm

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sometimes, playing Devil's Advocate backfires.

And when Satan gets behind you, there is only one outcome....

126 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:03:38pm

re: #120 000G

I'm not so sure. Where does the Heartland Institute stand on the vaccination controversy?

With whoever's paying them.

127 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:03:43pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

Nah, they're an industry front group. Anti-vaccine types are the more social conservative whackjobs. That's why Bachmann is anti-vaccine and Perry is pro it. He's just supporting what pays, like Heartland institute. Zero integrity.

128 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:04:16pm

re: #127 Obdicut

Nah, they're an industry front group. Anti-vaccine types are the more social conservative whackjobs. That's why Bachmann is anti-vaccine and Perry is pro it. He's just supporting what pays, like Heartland institute. Zero integrity.

Ah, that makes some twisted sense.

129 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:04:42pm

re: #125 imp_62

And when Satan gets behind you, there is only one outcome...

*JUDO THROW*
Take that, Satan!

130 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:04:54pm

re: #102 Charles

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

In my IT days (about 7 years ago now) we used to check network logs every morning, and just shrug at the port snooping from China. What are you going to do?

131 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:08:44pm

re: #111 Charles

Yes, we have a representative of the Heartland Institute visiting.

This may be why.

Note which results occupy two of the top three.

132 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:11:38pm

Speaking of Devil's advocates, anybody seen this Ford ad yet?

Yes, that's right, after agitating in favor of the bailouts for GM and Chrysler in order to preserve the domestic auto market, what does Ford do? Kick them in the huevos and laugh. With friends like these...

133 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:12:55pm

re: #131 publicityStunted

This may be why.

Note which results occupy two of the top three.

Heh. Looks like the corporate masters don't like that much, so they sent the communications lackey to try and push back. Awesome.

134 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:13:07pm

re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Speaking of Devil's advocates, anybody seen this Ford ad yet?

[Video]Yes, that's right, after agitating in favor of the bailouts for GM and Chrysler in order to preserve the domestic auto market, what does Ford do? Kick them in the huevos and laugh. With friends like these...

BUY AMERICAN, BUY TOYOTA!
;)

135 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:13:21pm

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sometimes, playing Devil's Advocate backfires.

I don't know if it did, since my aim wasn't protecting myself but making the controversy Ludwig started fruitful.

136 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:14:23pm

re: #135 000G

I don't know if it did, since my aim wasn't protecting myself but making the controversy Ludwig started fruitful.

It was enough to draw a PR drone out of lurk mode. I'd say that was productive. ;)

137 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:14:24pm

re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ford took a loan, not a bailout IIRC.

138 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:15:06pm

re: #135 000G

I don't know if it did, since my aim wasn't protecting myself but making the controversy Ludwig started fruitful.

*shrugs* I've found that I have to be careful when playing Devil's advocate, especially online, because I can get so serious about it that folks conclude that I honestly believe whatever bullshit I'm spewing.

139 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:15:26pm

re: #131 publicityStunted

This may be why.

Note which results occupy two of the top three.

If you Google "heartland institute' and "pimp" you find a lot of cheerleading for Breitbart/O'Keefe.

140 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:15:27pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

BUY AMERICAN, BUY TOYOTA!
;)

No gubmint health care! That's what Medicare is for!

141 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:15:42pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

BUY AMERICAN, BUY TOYOTA!
;)

The Camry is made in Georgetown, KY. (;

142 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:16:00pm

re: #136 Lidane

It was enough to draw a PR drone out of lurk mode. I'd say that was productive. ;)

If you're taking flak....

143 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:16:36pm

re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bootstrap ideology sells?

144 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:16:50pm

re: #141 laZardo

The Camry is made in Georgetown, KY. (;

Yep. Kind of funny, actually. A foreign car company is more American than a domestic one.
XD

145 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:17:06pm

re: #137 laZardo

Ford took a loan, not a bailout IIRC.

They did, but managed to keep it out of the public eye til last December. Now, they're putting out an ad which basically laughs in GM and Chrysler's faces over the bailout, which Ford execs were on Capital Hill arguing in favor of so as to preserve the domestic auto industry.

Once again demonstrating that perception is everything, and that if you repeat the same lie enough times, people begin to believe it.

146 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:18:00pm

re: #141 laZardo

The Camry is made in Georgetown, KY. (;

Huge Kia plant (and they are expanding AND hiring) in West Point Georgia, about 1:15 from Atlanta right near the Alabama border
[Link: www.kmmgusa.com...]

147 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:19:03pm

re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*shrugs* I've found that I have to be careful when playing Devil's advocate, especially online, because I can get so serious about it that folks conclude that I honestly believe whatever bullshit I'm spewing.

My downfall usually is getting the evil look for "being the contrarian again and dismissing everything else".

Deservedly so, I might add.

Ahem.

148 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:19:52pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

If you Google "heartland institute' and "pimp" you find a lot of cheerleading for Breitbart/O'Keefe.

Our visiting shill writes for Breitbart too. And used to write for WND, as shown in the link.

149 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:21:42pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Our visiting shill writes for Breitbart too. And used to write for WND, as shown in the link.

Washington Times as well. Pure crank-o-rama.

150 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:22:18pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Our visiting shill writes for Breitbart too. And used to write for WND, as shown in the link.

Translation: Everything Charles posts gets this shill's panties in a bunch. That goes double for what is allowed in the Pages.

That's both hilarious and awesome. Hehe.

151 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:22:26pm

On the lighter side of our collective national misery, me and mom chipped in to get her a netbook so she doesn't have to borrow my aunt's computer (or my disturbingly-robust 2004 Dell.)

The fun bit is, that after letting enough stupid hipster music videos on this site play, I managed to get enough site-points to get a 30% discount on it.

152 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:22:51pm

Please be prepared everyone...Monday is September 19

153 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:23:22pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Our visiting shill writes for Breitbart too. And used to write for WND, as shown in the link.

Someday we need to spend some time on "The Leadership Institute". It's the nexus for a lot of the crazy shit going on, including the billionaire who wants to make Galt's Gulch out of oilrig technology.

154 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:23:51pm

re: #152 darthstar

Please be prepared everyone...Monday is September 19

[Video]

Remind me not to get out of bed till Tuesday!
/

155 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:24:04pm

re: #147 000G

My downfall usually is getting the evil look for "being the contrarian again and dismissing everything else".

Deservedly so, I might add.

Ahem.

I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I tend to take the role just to polish up the arguments of others. I'll agree with the majority of it, but still have that nagging doubt that pretty much compels me to go "Yeah, BUT...!"

156 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:24:24pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Our visiting shill writes for Breitbart too. And used to write for WND, as shown in the link.

How cute, of course he also wrote against net neutrality: [Link: biggovernment.com...] [Link: biggovernment.com...]

157 Lidane  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:24:36pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Someday we need to spend some time on "The Leadership Institute". It's the nexus for a lot of the crazy shit going on, including the billionaire who wants to make Galt's Gulch out of oilrig technology.

Someone needs to introduce him to Bioshock. Been there, done that. Didn't quite work.

158 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:24:36pm

re: #152 darthstar

YARR FUCK NINJAS.

/how was that

159 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:25:08pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Our visiting shill writes for Breitbart too. And used to write for WND, as shown in the link.

Heh. "our visiting shill" -- I like that.

160 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:25:12pm

re: #158 laZardo

YARR FUCK NINJAS.

/how was that

THATS why I'm staying in bed!!
/

161 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:26:16pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

THATS why I'm staying in bed!!
/

Fucking Ninja sympathizer.

162 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:26:25pm

re: #154 sattv4u2

Remind me not to get out of bed till Tuesday!
/

Aye, we be all goin' t' be splice t' mainbrace!

163 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:26:32pm

re: #152 darthstar

Please be prepared everyone...Monday is September 19

[Video]

Should make work interesting.

"Ahoy, matey! What ye be havin' for grub today?"

164 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:26:47pm

re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I tend to take the role just to polish up the arguments of others. I'll agree with the majority of it, but still have that nagging doubt that pretty much compels me to go "Yeah, BUT...!"

I wonder why we aren't invited to more dinner parties.

165 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:27:25pm

re: #163 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Should make work interesting.

"Ahoy, matey! What ye be havin' for grub today?"

I'll be hosting a few meetings...I will likely drive a number of people in the office crazy.

166 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:27:44pm

re: #157 Lidane

Someone needs to introduce him to Bioshock. Been there, done that. Didn't quite work.

It worked...for a little while. I mean, is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

/

167 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:30:28pm

re: #157 Lidane

Someone needs to introduce him to Bioshock. Been there, done that. Didn't quite work.

Would you kindly...

168 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:30:49pm

I got noticed by someone who claims to be a director of communications from the Heartland institute on my page:

Ivar Giaever's links to Exxon Mobil, Heartland, Cato etc...

As a paid propagandist, his response to me is full of any number of lies and projections - including a link to a bogus 400 page report that they produced - and which was widely repudiated by the legitimate scientific community.

I just saw this and I need to get ready for Shabbos. Taking apart his propaganda will be an essay worth carefully writing. It will need to be full of links and references. The man, if he is who he claims to be, is someone who works for the bad guys and lies professionally about all manner of topics.

I shall of course make this into a page.

It is not clear to me though if I have the time to do so before sundown and honestly, I should not hurry a response. I want the response to have no holes in it.

Stay posted. LGF is going to get even more interesting in the coming days.

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:31:21pm

re: #149 iossarian

Washington Times as well. Pure crank-o-rama.

Oops, WT is what I meant, not WND.

170 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:32:10pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Oops, WT is what I meant, not WND.

Same difference.
;)

171 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:32:22pm

The Leadership Institute molecule includes

Breitbart
O'Keefe
Waterworld Boy
Christine O'Donnell
Jack Abramoff

That's just a grab sample. Sounds like a second string Bohemian Grove conspiracy.

172 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:33:47pm

re: #151 laZardo

On the lighter side of our collective national misery, me and mom chipped in to get her a netbook so she doesn't have to borrow my aunt's computer (or my disturbingly-robust 2004 Dell.)

The fun bit is, that after letting enough stupid hipster music videos on this site play, I managed to get enough site-points to get a 30% discount on it.

What a coincidence, I just found a fan pic that our visiting shill took of M. Bachmann at CPAC posted there.

173 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:34:05pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Same difference.
;)

All members of the nut family!

174 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:37:38pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

In all its heavily pixellated glory! Maybe I could leave a "comment." ;)

175 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:38:54pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

What a coincidence, I just found a fan pic that our visiting shill took of M. Bachmann at CPAC posted there.

Check out the lower-left corner of the picture.

Could it be... a wingnut?

176 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:39:46pm

re: #175 iossarian

Check out the lower-left corner of the picture.

Could it be... a wingnut?

HA!

177 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:43:10pm

re: #175 iossarian

He's holding a Wingnutometer. Detects the amount of wingnut in a person by how much they radiate stupid.

178 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:45:53pm

Bodo Pfalzgraf, head of the Berlin section of the Deutsche Polizeigewerkschaft (one of several unions for policemen and -women in Germany), shows how the newly mandated name tags (Berlin is the only German state that has mandated visible identification for cops, only introduced recently, too) can be turned into dangerous weapons by slicing open a ham hock with one of them:

179 darthstar  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:46:30pm

re: #175 iossarian

Check out the lower-left corner of the picture.

Could it be... a wingnut?

That's the wingnut essence...there's so much wingnut in the room that it has passed its saturation point and wingnut essence is free-floating in the air.

180 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:48:21pm

re: #179 darthstar

That's the wingnut essence...there's so much wingnut in the room that it has passed its saturation point and wingnut essence is free-floating in the air.

It's a kind of right-wing holy spirit.

If it comes into contact with Bachmann, maybe in 9 months we will actually see Supply-Side Jesus walking the earth.

181 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:50:52pm

re: #179 darthstar

That's the wingnut essence...there's so much wingnut in the room that it has passed its saturation point and wingnut essence is free-floating in the air.

That might explain how they reproduce.

182 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:51:45pm

Praying in Paris streets outlawed

Praying in the streets of Paris is against the law starting Friday, after the interior minister warned that police will use force if Muslims, and those of any other faith, disobey the new rule to keep the French capital's public spaces secular.

I guess this is at the heart of the matter:

Yesterday, Mr Guéant said the prayer problem was limited to two roads in the Goutte d'Or district of Paris's eastern 19th arrondissement, where "more than a thousand" people blocked the street every Friday.

However, a stroll through several districts in Paris on a Friday suggests that Muslims spill into the streets outside many mosques.

Under an agreement signed this week, believers will be able to use the premises of a vast nearby fire station while awaiting the construction of a bigger mosque.

Beware: The Telegraph [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

183 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:52:34pm

Time for me to depart (I'm being raptured by the Heartland Institute to help with a project they have selling no-filter cigarettes to blind orphans in Peru, but I should be back next week).

184 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:52:37pm
185 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:54:04pm

re: #19 uncah91

I'm not sure this is really it. I think the fundamentalists regards pre-marital sex as mortal sin, as such, it's unthinkable to contemplate preparing for it or being responsible about it or talking about it, for gosh sake.

Post-marital sex can also transmit HPV.

Also, do Protestants even believe in mortal sin?

186 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:54:15pm

re: #184 WindUpBird

hey wub when you coming to seattle O:

EDIT: ALSO

187 iossarian  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 1:54:44pm

re: #184 WindUpBird

Things to do in Denver when you're Dead

Yo WUB. Be well. I'm out of here.

188 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:01:48pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Post-marital sex can also transmit HPV.

Also, do Protestants even believe in mortal sin?

Some probably do--the High Churchly.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:02:55pm

re: #78 Alouette

Wow, did you read the comments?

I have never been able to post a comment at Haaretz. I guess it's because I'm not batshitty enough.

I post at JPost sometimes. Half defending Israel, and half defending Obama, so everyone is sick of me.

190 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:08:21pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

I post at JPost sometimes. Half defending Israel, and half defending Obama, so everyone is sick of me.

Only half of them are!!
//

191 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:09:33pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Post-marital sex can also transmit HPV.

Also, do Protestants even believe in mortal sin?

what's a mortal sin?...or should I just start laughing now?

192 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:09:56pm

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Arizona Air Force base locked down amid reports of a gunman

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:10:18pm

re: #85 zora

re: #81 Varek Raith

i've only heard this from hitchens, who hates christians and mother theresa.

My question about Hitchens on Mother Theresa has always been who he's comparing her to. The rest of us who were not ministering to the poorest of the poor--are we on the high moral ground because if we'd bothered to do anything for them, we would have gotten them painkillers for sure?

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:11:37pm

re: #91 Origuy

If the HPV vaccine makes you want to have sex, why doesn't the tetanus vaccine make you want to roll around on a pile of rusty nails?

Also, if the HPV vaccine makes you want to have sex--let me guess! It's already covered by insurance, but only approved for men over fifty!

195 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:12:46pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

Half times half is a quarter, isn't it? So they're only a quarter sick!

//

196 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:12:55pm
The UBS trader being questioned on suspicion of unauthorised trading which lost the bank $2bn (£1.3bn) alerted his employers himself, the BBC has learnt.

The BBC's business editor, Robert Peston, says UBS's internal controls did not pick up the huge loss allegedly generated by its trader Kweku Adoboli.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

197 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:13:28pm

re: #195 laZardo

Half times half is a quarter, isn't it? So they're only a quarter sick!

//

Take that back!

(that would make it a quarterback, no??)

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:14:01pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel

Atheist group to rip Bible pages in H.B. Saturday

*YAWN*
This has not escaped the attention of the Fever Swamp, with most responses being of the "try it with a Quran" type. The very oddly named poster sodpoodle predicts that a rogue tsunami will wash away the pier, then emphasizes that he/she is serious since "God's earth is in revolt."

1. People who go around damaging other people's holy texts to prove how...something...they are, piss me off.

2. The Fever Swampers LOVE folks who do it with a Koran.

3. If the pier washes away, we will know that sodpoodle is on to something. If the pier does not wash away...sodpoodle will move on to the next thing.

199 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:15:09pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

If the pier washes away, we will know that sodpoodle is on to something. If the pier does not wash away...sodpoodle will move on to the next thing
.

Hopefully, a shorter pier!

200 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:15:57pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

My question about Hitchens on Mother Theresa has always been who he's comparing her to. The rest of us who were not ministering to the poorest of the poor--are we on the high moral ground because if we'd bothered to do anything for them, we would have gotten them painkillers for sure?

I lived Delhi in the 80's. She was notorious with the American embassy doctors who were constantly trying to give her free medicine from donations. I think they eventually stopped giving them to her because she was reportedly selling them.

201 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:17:54pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

My question about Hitchens on Mother Theresa has always been who he's comparing her to. The rest of us who were not ministering to the poorest of the poor--are we on the high moral ground because if we'd bothered to do anything for them, we would have gotten them painkillers for sure?

The withholding of painkillers is an extraordinary claim, uniquely sadistic, and just not the way nuns are wired. So far I haven't found evidence on the nets.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
-Sagan

202 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:19:07pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I lived Delhi in the 80's. She was notorious with the American embassy doctors who were constantly trying to give her free medicine from donations. I think they eventually stopped giving them to her because she was reportedly selling them.

a dope dealer?...nothing surprises me

203 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:21:56pm

re: #202 albusteve

a dope dealer?...nothing surprises me

Not just pain meds but supplies, bandages, antibiotics, vitamins etc.

204 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:26:56pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Not just pain meds but supplies, bandages, antibiotics, vitamins etc.

If you give a hundred boxes of nice gray bathroom tile to our Habitat affilliate, we sell it. It doesn't fit the well-thought-out houses we build. The money goes into the operating fund. The Mother Teresa stories need documentation.

205 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:27:45pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Not just pain meds but supplies, bandages, antibiotics, vitamins etc.

I remember being truly shocked when I first read that Hitchen's piece on MT. He had some valid points.

206 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:30:41pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Not just pain meds but supplies, bandages, antibiotics, vitamins etc.

wow, an entire pharmacy

207 Achilles Tang  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:31:48pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

My question about Hitchens on Mother Theresa has always been who he's comparing her to.

He was comparing her to what we normally consider a saint.

208 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:32:20pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Not just pain meds but supplies, bandages, antibiotics, vitamins etc.

Maybe her operation had an overabundance of such things and needed something like food instead.

209 Achilles Tang  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:35:38pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

Maybe her operation had an overabundance of such things and needed something like food instead.

There have been other writing about her besides Hitchens. Her goal was to save souls, not lives. I also remember reading parts of her diary, lamenting in what could only be called highly sensual terms, how she never heard the voice of Jesus.

This was a tormented woman.

210 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:37:05pm

BBL

211 JEA62  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:38:07pm

What?! You don't agree with the "let those 12 year-old sluts get cancer - it's God's punishment for promiscuity" argument???

212 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:43:23pm

re: #209 Naso Tang

There have been other writing about her besides Hitchens. Her goal was to save souls, not lives. I also remember reading parts of her diary, lamenting in what could only be called highly sensual terms, how she never heard the voice of Jesus.

This was a tormented woman.

This differentiates her from other saints how exactly? Joan of Arc was excommunicated before the Church made her a saint for purely political reasons. To me the idea of arguing who is and is not deserving of sainthood is a laughably pointless exercise.

213 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:44:51pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

This differentiates her from other saints how exactly? Joan of Arc was excommunicated before the Church made her a saint for purely political reasons. To me the idea of arguing who is and is not deserving of sainthood is a laughably pointless exercise.

some has to decide...gotta have saints

214 albusteve  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:48:12pm

Saint of Me
Stones

215 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 2:52:32pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

Frank, did your DSHS friend give an answer to my sponsor question a couple days back?

217 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:03:30pm

re: #215 laZardo

I answered you here and here in the overnight open thread. I wish I could be more help, but my cousin is retired from DSHS and worked in computer networking and knows nothing about how their legal department handles these situations. I also passed on some research that you may already know.

218 zora  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:07:33pm

re: #205 prairiefire

i believe hitchens on mother theresa about as much as believe geller about muslims.

219 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:16:52pm

If the Global Warming doesn't kill us, the instrument helping track it will!!

// (kinda)
Huge Defunct Satellite Falling to Earth Faster Than Expected, NASA Says
[Link: www.space.com...]

The defunct bus-size spacecraft is NASA's Upper Atmospheric Research Satellite (UARS)
NASA expects at least 26 large pieces of the massive satellite to survive the scorching temperatures of re-entry and reach Earth's surface. Titanium pieces and onboard tanks could be among that debris, but the UARS satellite carries no toxic propellant (NASA used up all the fuel in 2005).

The debris is expected to fall over a swath of Earth about 500 miles (804 kilometers) long, NASA officials said
There is a 1-in-3,200 chance of satellite debris hitting a person on the ground

Look at the 1600 people to your left,, look at the 1600 people to your right

If none of them get hit,,, RUN!!!

220 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:22:38pm

It seems I drove the Heartland shill away after catching him in several lies and unintentional admissions. He really did not like that I asked him how much he pays "researchers they are grateful for"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

How much do they pay the people at their conferences?

Come on communications director, how much do you pay them? How much is a paper worth? How much grant money do you hand out to those whose "research you are grateful for?"

You said yourself you were grateful for them... How grateful are you?

I'll have you know that in general, going to an actual science conference is paid for out of your grant (as in your own research groups funds). So I am curious how much are they paying.

Well Shabbos is rolling in. This is not over. I shall have to make a very large page out of this. I will pay special attention to his 400 page report (as in pack of lies) and his assertion that Heartland doesn't say that cigarettes don't cause cancer (no they just use Richard Lindzen who says that as an expert)!

This fellow will find that when people like him step out of the echo chamber into a place where people know a little about science they get shown to be the fools and propagandists they are, and that their many lies and obfuscations simply will not fly.

I wish everyone a Good Shabbos (if in the Tribe) and a great weekend to all in any case. See you on the flip side.

Ohh and please keep an eye on this thread if he takes the courageous tact of posting over the holiday when I am not here to deal with him.

221 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:24:05pm

re: #218 zora

i believe hitchens on mother theresa about as much as believe geller about muslims.

Hitchens certainly has a bias but the fact remains that she was a wolrd wide celebrity and fundraising powerhouse. Very little of the money she raised went to her charity work with the sick and dying. Probably not much more than a percent or two. Maybe not even that much.

222 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:24:28pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

Ah, thanks. Specifically I was looking for a way for my mom to be insured before she gets the employee insurance from Safeway.

223 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:30:16pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

No, there's a 1 in 3,200 chance of it hitting anyone, not a 1 in 3,200 chace of hit hitting any individual person.

224 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:31:44pm

re: #220 LudwigVanQuixote

Have a great Shabbos, Ludwig.

225 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:31:49pm

re: #223 Obdicut

No, there's a 1 in 3,200 chance of it hitting anyone, not a 1 in 3,200 chace of hit hitting any individual person.

Yes Obdi

I know that

But it's funnier the way I wrote it


(parody of the 1 in 3 people are idiots ,, if you look to your right, and look to your left, and DON'T see one,,,,,,)

226 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:33:25pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

Sorry, after that time when you showed you didn't understand how progressive taxation worked I've assumed your math skills are deficient.

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:34:30pm

re: #226 Obdicut

Sorry, after that time when you showed you didn't understand how progressive taxation worked I've assumed your math skills are deficient.

And alas, you're still proving your lack of a sense of humor

Carry on

228 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:35:11pm

re: #226 Obdicut

Speaking of math, you told me to remind you to write up a page of your conversion experience from a Randite background after having done the math et al.

229 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:36:41pm

Speaking of lack of humor,,, remember when comedians were ,,, oh,, I dunno,, FUNNY!!

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

German comedian Martin Sonneborn is well-known for jokes bordering on the tasteless. But a satirical political billboard of him posing in blackface makeup as US President Barack Obama is sparking outrage.
Dillweed

230 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:39:00pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

Speaking of lack of humor,,, remember when comedians were ,,, oh,, I dunno,, FUNNY!!

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

German comedian Martin Sonneborn is well-known for jokes bordering on the tasteless. But a satirical political billboard of him posing in blackface makeup as US President Barack Obama is sparking outrage.
Dillweed

He is a CINO
Comedian in name only

231 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:40:08pm

re: #230 HoosierHoops

He is a CINO
Comedian in name only

Now that right there is funny,,,

232 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:42:23pm

re: #230 HoosierHoops

Big doings with the Big 12

By this time next week, there might not BE one for next season, huh?

233 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:44:17pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

Speaking of lack of humor,,, remember when comedians were ,,, oh,, I dunno,, FUNNY!!

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

German comedian Martin Sonneborn is well-known for jokes bordering on the tasteless. But a satirical political billboard of him posing in blackface makeup as US President Barack Obama is sparking outrage.
Dillweed

Pft. That's nothing. This is the cover page for the current issue of the magazine he was chief-editor at for a long time:

Image: 01-U1-Jugendkrawalle_03.jpg

234 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:45:04pm

Also I should thank Obdi, Publicity Stunted, Charles and others who helped on that thread.

Now I really mean it... I got to go.

235 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:45:17pm

re: #222 laZardo

FYI emergency medicaid is exempt from sponsor deeming. The state may or may not charge them, I don't know, but for emergency medicaid assistance there is no need to provide the sponsor's financial information. I believe Washington will also cover a month of followup visits. Not ideal I know but at least you know that a valid ER visit will be covered.

236 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:46:42pm

re: #233 000G

Pft. That's nothing. This is the cover page for the current issue of the magazine he was chief-editor at for a long time:

Image: 01-U1-Jugendkrawalle_03.jpg

High comedy, right there!!
Geez Louise,,,,what an ASSHOLE

"but ,, But,, BUT ,,I'm a comedian!!!"

237 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:48:15pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

Big doings with the Big 12

By this time next week, there might not BE one for next season, huh?

That is just about what everyone is talking about around here..And Florida State Saturday night.. I'm going to a big OU party and BBQ..
I am watching the OU preview right now.. I can't hang around so many Country boys that love their OU football..
When I say something about the team I don't want them rolling their eyes...' Don't let Manual beat you with his feet' I'm memorizing here

238 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:48:35pm
This type of argument is inherently difficult to prove or disprove. But it is unlikely that a 16-year-old making sexual choices is focused on her chances of getting a cancer that might develop 20 years in the future — a hypothetical event beyond the time horizon of the adolescent mind.

Actually a lot of teens are really mature.

But the ones that aren't might need the vaccination.

And the argument really is about how intrusive the government ought to be.

The "religious" aspect of the argument muddies the water if you ask me.

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:49:09pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

Speaking of lack of humor,,, remember when comedians were ,,, oh,, I dunno,, FUNNY!!

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

German comedian Martin Sonneborn is well-known for jokes bordering on the tasteless. But a satirical political billboard of him posing in blackface makeup as US President Barack Obama is sparking outrage.
Dillweed

Meh, I saw the headline earlier and didn't think much of it. He's a comedian and seems to be making a satirical point. If he was a politician or pundit advancing a political agenda then it would be different. The Germans and Dutch have a weird thing about blackface and 1920's style depictions of blacks that I've never really understood. As of about 10 years ago Little Sambo type dolls and figures were common sights in souvenir shops. I'm not sure they have the same understanding of the images as we do.
There's also Black Peter (a character in blackface) that is Santa's helper (sort of) in that part of the world.

240 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:50:21pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

I'm going to a big OU party and BBQ..

Figured you would be

Or if not that, hitching a ride to Tallahassee and going in person

241 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:50:21pm

re: #213 albusteve

Joan of Arc invented the searchlight.

242 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:57:03pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

If you give a hundred boxes of nice gray bathroom tile to our Habitat affilliate, we sell it. It doesn't fit the well-thought-out houses we build. The money goes into the operating fund. The Mother Teresa stories need documentation.

Early in the 20th century, the head of a Utah copper mine gave 1,000 silver dollars in a copper chest to the head of the LDS church for him to use to continue to do his good works.

The church head made the silver dollars into paperweights and sold them for $100 apiece. Now he had $100,000. The money founded Primary Children's Hospital in Salt Lake City.

So the question is: if the items were sold, where did the money end up?

243 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:57:37pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

But Tahir Della a spokesman for the Initiative for Black Germans (ISD), which tries to represent the interests of the black community in Germany, called the billboard "unbelievably hurtful."

"This is 2011 and not 1950," he said. "I find it racist through and through."

Me too

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:58:38pm

re: #238 Ojoe


Actually a lot of teens are really mature.

But the ones that aren't might need the vaccination.

And the argument really is about how intrusive the government ought to be.

The "religious" aspect of the argument muddies the water if you ask me.

NO. This is not about how mature teenagers are when they are teenagers. About a quarter of U.S. women carry HPV. This stuff is everywhere. Behavior that is perfectly mature and responsible, in your twenties and thirties and onward, can still get you infected. And it has to be done before the mid-20s. It makes no sense at all to say that only teenagers who might have sex as teenagers need to be immunized.

The question of government control is a real one--and both lefties and righties were pissed at Perry over it--but Bachmann is indeed muddying the waters, by giving a louder and more public voice to the people who a. are lying about the side effects of the drug and b. loudly pretending that immunizing children against a disease is bad for public morality.

245 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 3:58:42pm

re: #228 000G

Yes. I should have time for that this weekend. Thank you.

246 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:01:10pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

I hope we go to the PAC-1X, personally.

247 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:03:36pm

re: #246 ProLifeLiberal

I hope we go to the PAC-1X, personally.

Used to go to the XXX theaters in the Combat Zone section of Boston
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Does that count?!?!?!
/

248 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:04:39pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

I'm going to a big OU party and BBQ..

Figured you would be

Or if not that, hitching a ride to Tallahassee and going in person

Yes..I've been lucky to meet so many great people here in Norman..The guy doing the Party owns a fancy restaurant here and When he does a BBQ you don't miss it...Tons of great food..And you know me and food..
I've been around.. grew up watching the Raiders and 49ers as a kid..I've had season tiks to Golden State and the Pacers.. I had season tiks to the Colts for several years...Hell I played Basketball my whole youth and point guard in high school and College..
I have never met such passionate Fans than here.. They live and die for their team.. When I say passion.. I don't mean violent fans..Fights that break out during and after games...I mean true excited fans.. It's a beautiful thing...
You know you are in sports country when you are sitting next to a grandma at a sports bar and she is bitching about the lateral speed of some LB named Lewis..

249 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:06:10pm

re: #248 HoosierHoops

Have a great time

And on that note, think I'll go get a bowl of chili and watch the Red Sox try to hold onto their lead for the wild card

250 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:08:14pm

John Boehner’s misfire on pending federal regulations

The Pinocchio Test

Boehner left the distinct impression that 219 new regulations were hanging like a Sword of Damocles over the U.S. economy. But it turns out the number of potential regulations is inflated, as well as the potential impact. Many of the regulations may turn out to have substantial costs, but others could have benefits, as a report on the speaker’s Web site makes clear. Boehner wins points for admitting he may have overstated his case, but overall his statement contained significant factual errors.

Three Pinocchios

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:15:47pm

Evening all!

How is it this Friday?

It is Friday isn't it?

252 laZardo  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:16:52pm

re: #251 ggt

No, it's Tuesday. Where have you been?

/

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:17:02pm

re: #251 ggt

Evening all!

How is it this Friday?

It is Friday isn't it?

YES!

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:18:50pm

re: #252 laZardo

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, I am really confused.

Who to believe?

(well, really not so difficult--I think I'll go with . . . . SFZ)

255 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:43:44pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

Eh, she's just another conservative confederate, a simple description, not a proper noun. Only difference is, she has an actual constituency of other dumb, stupid confederates, who put her in office.

256 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:44:06pm

re: #251 ggt

Evening all!

How is it this Friday?

It is Friday isn't it?

Since I didn't have to work today, I kept catching myself thinking yesterday was Friday.

257 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:47:24pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

John Boehner’s misfire on pending federal regulations

Three Pinocchios

Oompa Loompa
Derp-ity do
At least another year
of the GOP gunning for you!

258 Alexzander  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:51:33pm

Guys slow down we're going for a new daily record for fewest posts.

259 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:54:30pm

re: #258 Alexzander

Guys slow down we're going for a new daily record for fewest posts.

It'll pick up in a couple of days. The thing with the UN & Palestinian statehood is only four days away. It'll probably get fast & furious here then.

260 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:55:40pm

Man, I seem to have a special knack for posting at the exact same moment Charles creates a new thread.

261 Alexzander  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:56:15pm

re: #259 CuriousLurker

It'll pick up in a couple of days. The thing with the UN & Palestinian statehood is only four days away. It'll probably get fast & furious here then.

It seems like the vast majority of the Israel/Palestinian content these days has been found in the pages. Although it is a big enough story that even if there isn't a specific post about it in the main blog, the discussion will spill over. I've actually been meaning to do some reading on the issue because I dont understand it entirely yet.

262 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 4:57:59pm

re: #261 Alexzander

It seems like the vast majority of the Israel/Palestinian content these days has been found in the pages. Although it is a big enough story that even if there isn't a specific post about it in the main blog, the discussion will spill over. I've actually been meaning to do some reading on the issue because I dont understand it entirely yet.

Good luck with that. I've been reading on it for a while now as time permits and I still don't understand it very well.

263 Achilles Tang  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 8:02:10pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

This differentiates her from other saints how exactly? Joan of Arc was excommunicated before the Church made her a saint for purely political reasons. To me the idea of arguing who is and is not deserving of sainthood is a laughably pointless exercise.

I apologize for being late but, in case anyone reads, you missed my points entirely. The first post was to comment on what Hitchens said, and the reference to "saint" was meant in the common meaning of someone uncommonly good, meaning looking after live people's welfare, not those in the afterlife (as imagined).

My second post that you quoted had nothing to do with sainthood.

264 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 8:03:11pm

re: #102 Charles

My external IP should be, Charles: 119.39.226.83. That's the external IP of my university, and AFAIK it's static.

If the bots are coming from that IP, I promise it ain't me.

265 Achilles Tang  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 8:08:59pm

re: #238 Ojoe

This type of argument is inherently difficult to prove or disprove. But it is unlikely that a 16-year-old making sexual choices is focused on her chances of getting a cancer that might develop 20 years in the future — a hypothetical event beyond the time horizon of the adolescent mind.

This is an inane argument (not that you made it). It has nothing about sexual choices at all, adolescent or not.

Firstly, it is not entirely sexually transmitted. Secondly if it is sexual, nobody should marry anyone who is not a virgin, of either sex.

266 Achilles Tang  Fri, Sep 16, 2011 8:13:33pm

re: #102 Charles

Suddenly there are Chinese bots all over the place. Now online: 4,670? I don't think so. More like a series of Hong Kong-based IPs crawling through the whole site as fast as possible.

If we didn't have a couple of LGF readers in China I'd just block the whole freaking continent. It's ridiculous how much spamming and illicit activity originates in China.

I blocked the whole continent for spam long ago, however I do point out that the only genuine Chinese spam coming from there is either in Chinese characters or such bad English it's funny. The rest originates mostly right here from fellow Americans, bounced via China (and elsewhere).

I used to waste a lot of time tracing this crap.

267 labman57  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:10:54pm

Michele Bachmann's banal, nonsensical rhetoric is 40% demagoguery, 20% paranoid delusion, and 40% the result of being an ignorant dumbsh*t.

Bachmann and Palin share fundamental character flaws -- both have a propensity toward making snide, petty comments about those with whom they disagree, neither does her homework before making public comments regarding important science-related issues, societal topics, and historical events, and neither is mature enough to accept responsibility for her own mistakes, failures, and shortcomings.


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