Video: Andrew Breitbart Fantasizes About Killing Liberals

‘We outnumber them and we have the guns’
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Speaking at a Tea Party gathering in Boston, Andrew Breitbart fantasizes about armed conflict with his fellow Americans.

Breitbart, Bring it on:

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“They can only win a rhetorical or propaganda war. We outnumber them and we have the guns.”

(Audience laughs)

“I’m not kidding.”

He elaborates that he imagines the military is going to rise up and start killing union members to protect the country (or something), and reiterates that he’s talking about actual armed conflict and not elections.

The numbers are in our favor:

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330 comments
1 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 9:48:21am

The neo-confederates have the same fantasies as their ancestors did.

Alas, for them, the end result would be the same.

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2 Joanne  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:06:11am

I wonder how shocked he'll be to discover his side isn't the the only side packing heat. Now that's a fantasy...go on, And, start that war. Oh, right, you're a wuss with a big freaking mouth.

3 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:06:56am

So much more civil than "lets take [vote] the sons of bitches out"
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4 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:09:51am

re: #2 JustJay

I wonder how shocked he'll be to discover his side isn't the the only side packing heat. Now that's a fantasy...go on, And, start that war. Oh, right, you're a wuss with a big freaking mouth.

QFT

5 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:13:35am

re: #2 JustJay

I wonder how shocked he'll be to discover his side isn't the the only side packing heat.

That part never crosses their minds. They think everyone on the left is a pacifist hippie who is afraid of guns. Not quite.

6 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:25:42am

I thought this was the most interesting statement, 1st video, 0:55 mark:

And I have people who come up to me, in the military, major names people in the military, who grab me and they go 'thank you for what you're doing, we've got your back'.

So in Breitbart's mind, military personell cannot compliment some political activist with an expression of personal support without implicitly suggesting militant support in the case of a civil war?

Oh, but that's right: It will never have to come to that since the Lefties know about this support and thus don't dare to make the first move they would otherwise love to make in this civil war Breitbart dreams about. Civil war averted, thanks to the military being conservative?

Sounds to me that the times that Breitbart is not thinking as clearly as he knows he should are more persistent than he would like to admit.

7 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:32:17am

re: #6 000G

So in Breitbart's mind, military personell cannot compliment some political activist with an expression of personal support without implicitly suggesting militant support in the case of a civil war?

QFT

a popular fantasy among many wingnuts, sadly

8 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:48:36am

re: #7 funky chicken

Doesn't this also mean that if a military person A supports a political activist X and a military person B supports a political activist Y, and X and Y hold diametrically opposed view points to the extend of civil war differences, then at least one military person has implictly commited treason through their support?

I bet Breitbart would love for the USA to look more like Turkey: religious conservative government and a strong military "protecting" the political institutions and occassionally taking things over when affairs become too leftish.

9 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 10:55:06am

re: #8 000G

Doesn't this also mean that if a military person A supports a political activist X and a military person B supports a political activist Y, and X and Y hold diametrically opposed view points to the extend of civil war differences, then at least one military person has implictly commited treason through their support?

I bet Breitbart would love for the USA to look more like Turkey: religious conservative government and a strong military "protecting" the political institutions and occassionally taking things over when affairs become too leftish.

No. He'd rather a government like Pinochet's that actively hunts down and murders anyone who isn't his idea of politically correct.

10 Idle Drifter  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 11:12:42am
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I've heard these Civil War fantasies before from the "the SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!" nonsense to this crap Breitbart is spewing a thousand times before. And like before our actual Civil War between the states, that got it's first taste for blood during Bleeding Kansas, every idiot thinks going into 2nd Civil War is a good idea forgets the human cost of the first one and the period of reconstruction.

Hopefully it's mostly chest beating.

11 Fenris  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 11:53:14am

Next he'll probably whine that he's been deceptively edited and was really referring to elections. Somehow.

12 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:11:37pm

Breitbart is delusional, another talking head living in fantasyland...I blame television

13 mikec6666  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:13:24pm

Bring it. We're right here, fat boy

14 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:13:25pm

re: #7 funky chicken

So in Breitbart's mind, military personell cannot compliment some political activist with an expression of personal support without implicitly suggesting militant support in the case of a civil war?

QFT

a popular fantasy among many wingnuts, sadly

Indeed. You hear it at least once a week, some voice popping up that the military is just looking for an excuse to rise up, stage a coup against Obama for his "unconstitutional actions," and (in every case) turn it over to the "right people."

Then I look at all the military coups in past history and wonder where they get these ideas. If a military is going to engage in treason, why would they turn around and turn over power to the very people who could have them executed for said treason?

15 kirkspencer  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:13:33pm

There's this wierd little conservative belief that only conservatives own guns or were in the military. Facts never seem to make a dent in that fantasy.

sheesh.

16 JRCMYP  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:16:09pm

They were laughing at him, not with him. He's a freaking loon.

17 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:16:28pm

"Major named people in the military" who will remain imaginary.

18 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:17:31pm

We came unarmed this time

2nd Amendment solutions to 1st Amendment problems

We outnumber them and we have the guns

What right wing violence?

19 JRCMYP  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:17:45pm

And, apropos of nothing, has he put on a bit of weight? Or is he just cultivating the wild-eyed, unkempt-and-overfed look?

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:19:29pm

Such a stupid thing to say. In a world of Really Big Military Type Weapons and information technology, the only thing having your own firearm is good for is defending your home, your life and your family, and hunting.

It would be difficult to overtake a country with civilian arms, IIRC.

21 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:19:34pm

what's Andy's combat record?...law enforcement?...how many times has he been in the middle of a gunfight?...who's the 'we' he refers to?...he's living inside a comic book...talk is cheap even when you make a lot of money from it

22 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:19:45pm

re: #15 kirkspencer

There's this wierd little conservative belief that only conservatives own guns or were in the military. Facts never seem to make a dent in that fantasy.

sheesh.

I never heard that before. I know some pretty far-left people who have quite a collection of firearms.

23 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:21:05pm

He's worried about the 'urban' voting bloc, so he's waving his fantasy military buddies at them.

24 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:22:37pm

re: #23 jaunte

He's worried about the 'urban' voting bloc, so he's waving his fantasy military buddies at them.

He has no idea of "urban" warfare . . .

25 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:23:39pm

re: #23 jaunte

He's worried about the 'urban' voting bloc, so he's waving his fantasy military buddies at them.

I find it interesting that he implies that some military big wigs are on his side. That implies that he thinks there'll be some sort of coup to save Tea Party America. What a complete idiot.

26 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:23:57pm

re: #19 JRCMYP

And, apropos of nothing, has he put on a bit of weight? Or is he just cultivating the wild-eyed, unkempt-and-overfed look?

He's certainly scratching his whiskers a lot. Might have something to do with his overuse of the word "we".

27 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:24:04pm

So easy to Godwin this guy.

There, I merely said 'Godwin' and you all easily filled in the blanks.

I have no doubt upon gaining any real power what a man like this would do.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:24:26pm

re: #1 wlewisiii

The neo-confederates have the same fantasies as their ancestors did.

Alas, for them, the end result would be the same.

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At least 'we're gentlemen, and gentlemen can kick anybody's ass', which I understand to have been part of the Confederate schema, is slightly more stylish than 'we're armed to the teeth and we've convinced ourselves they're afraid of guns'.

29 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:25:14pm

re: #16 JRCMYP

They were laughing at him, not with him. He's a freaking loon.

Good point, even the Tea Party idiots tried to steer the conversation back to electoral issues but he kept up the theme of armed revolution.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:26:02pm

re: #5 Lidane

That part never crosses their minds. They think everyone on the left is a pacifist hippie who is afraid of guns. Not quite.

My relatives all vote the straight Democratic ticket, and are armed to the teeth!

31 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:26:14pm

Every time I think I'm being paranoid, one of these idiots pops off and makes me realize I need more time at the range.

32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:26:48pm

Feh, another dumb conservative can't-compete confederate with eliminationst fantasies, yawn.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:27:46pm

re: #7 funky chicken

So in Breitbart's mind, military personell cannot compliment some political activist with an expression of personal support without implicitly suggesting militant support in the case of a civil war?

QFT

a popular fantasy among many wingnuts, sadly

Well, it's a part of the fantasy that needs something holding it up. We can quote Thomas Jefferson all we want, but an armed revolt in this country would be ended abruptly by a very large, very well-trained military. 'Tain't no doubt.

So the best way to make the fantasy work is to assure your listeners that that military would HELP them, if push came to shove.

34 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:28:04pm

Bring it on, secesh inbreds. Uncle Billy Sherman will rise from the grave, burn you out of your McMansions, and bitch-slap you back to your stills and cabins before breakfast.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:29:45pm

re: #15 kirkspencer

There's this wierd little conservative belief that only conservatives own guns or were in the military. Facts never seem to make a dent in that fantasy.

sheesh.

Although, given the number of guns in this country, if only conservatives own them, those conservatives are REALLY well stocked.

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36 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:30:22pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

Every time I think I'm being paranoid, one of these idiots pops off and makes me realize I need more time at the range.

QFT

They're why I put a S&W 642 on lay-away this week.

37 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:30:24pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

So the best way to make the fantasy work is to assure your listeners that that military would HELP them, if push came to shove.

It's a pretty common theme among domestic terrorists like Tim McVey or the Glenn Beck fan who plotted to assassinate people at the Tides Foundation. They think their actions are going to spark a mass uprising.

38 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:30:58pm

re: #19 JRCMYP

And, apropos of nothing, has he put on a bit of weight? Or is he just cultivating the wild-eyed, unkempt-and-overfed look?

Just for a laugh:
[Link: michaelgrecco.com...]

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:31:04pm

re: #17 jaunte

"Major named people in the military" who will remain imaginary.

Major Named (that's NAH-med), really enjoys the way Breitbart makes his liberal sister-in-law hyperventilate at Thanksgiving. He had no idea that he was covertly promising aid.

40 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:31:19pm

“It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.”
William Tecumseh Sherman

41 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:31:43pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

It's a pretty common theme among domestic terrorists like Tim McVey or the Glenn Beck fan who plotted to assassinate people at the Tides Foundation. They think their actions are going to spark a mass uprising.

Worked for Breivek didn't it?

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42 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:32:01pm

re: #36 wlewisiii

QFT

They're why I put a S&W 642 on lay-away this week.

By the purest perversion of fate, I inherited my ultra-right FIL's entire arsenal. If only I had an old M14 to go with it.

43 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:32:06pm

re: #38 jaunte

Just for a laugh:
[Link: michaelgrecco.com...]

Funny, yes, but also creepy as hell.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:32:25pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

I never heard that before. I know some pretty far-left people who have quite a collection of firearms.

It comes up fairly often. Not so much in terms of the far left (who are assumed to be gun-toting revolutionaries), but the idea that most people who vote for Democrats are too skeered to touch a gun, because if they weren't, why vote for gun control?

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:33:13pm

re: #24 ggt

He has no idea of "urban" warfare . . .

"There are parts of New York I would advise the Reich not to attempt to invade..."

46 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:33:23pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

It comes up fairly often. Not so much in terms of the far left (who are assumed to be gun-toting revolutionaries), but the idea that most people who vote for Democrats are too skeered to touch a gun, because if they weren't, why vote for gun control?

Maybe so but I've never experienced that around here.

47 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:33:59pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it's a part of the fantasy that needs something holding it up. We can quote Thomas Jefferson all we want, but an armed revolt in this country would be ended abruptly by a very large, very well-trained military. 'Tain't no doubt.

So the best way to make the fantasy work is to assure your listeners that that military would HELP them, if push came to shove.

The other fantasy I've heard is that the military, either out of agreement with the rebels or due to inability to attack their fellow Americans, would refuse to obey orders to put down the rebellion and allow it to march all the way to D.C.

48 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:34:06pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

It comes up fairly often. Not so much in terms of the far left (who are assumed to be gun-toting revolutionaries), but the idea that most people who vote for Democrats are too skeered to touch a gun, because if they weren't, why vote for gun control?

It amazes me how many people are afraid to actually touch a gun. (Which is good if they won't be trained to do so.)

49 nines09  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:35:37pm

Tea Party. People just like you and me. If you and me was hate filled morons with delusions of grandeur and had no clue. No fucking clue.

50 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:36:18pm

It is good that war is so horrible, or we might grow to like it

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:36:41pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

By the purest perversion of fate, I inherited my ultra-right FIL's entire arsenal. If only I had an old M14 to go with it.

HAH! The best revenge.

Springfield Armory M1A is the best currently made. Just get the plain one with a walnut stock and you'll have a very sweet rifle.

I've been more into my Cowboy AK (Winchester 94 :) of late for that role.

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:37:24pm

re: #51 wlewisiii

HAH! The best revenge.

Springfield Armory M1A is the best currently made. Just get the plain one with a walnut stock and you'll have a very sweet rifle.

I've been more into my Cowboy AK (Winchester 94 :) of late for that role.

M1 is soooo freakin' heavy!

53 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:37:26pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The other fantasy I've heard is that the military, either out of agreement with the rebels or due to inability to attack their fellow Americans, would refuse to obey orders to put down the rebellion and allow it to march all the way to D.C.

Oathkeepers.

54 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:37:32pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The other fantasy I've heard is that the military, either out of agreement with the rebels or due to inability to attack their fellow Americans, would refuse to obey orders to put down the rebellion and allow it to march all the way to D.C.

In 30 years I saw a lot of virtues and vices in our military. Their one overriding virtue is that they will never, never, turn their weapons on the constitutionally-elected government.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:37:32pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

By the purest perversion of fate, I inherited my ultra-right FIL's entire arsenal. If only I had an old M14 to go with it.

My grandfather died in posession of my great-grandfather's shotgun. During the wake, his brothers got drunk. Very drunk. Thank God, instead of deciding they wanted to shoot it, they decided to dismantle it. Which they did. On the counter in someone's kitchen.

I have no idea if it was ever put back together again.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:38:27pm

re: #46 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe so but I've never experienced that around here.

I'll say that probably indicates that you spend too much time talking to sane people.

57 Meitantei  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:38:52pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

I go to a school that literally got ranked by the Princeton Review as the most leftist school in the nation. A bunch of my friends decided to form a shooting club this year, and the membership has absolutely exploded despite some hand wringing from the administration. It's awesome.

58 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:39:04pm

re: #52 ggt

M1 is sooo freakin' heavy!

At 10, I began a daily communion with a demilled 1903 Springfield.

59 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:39:04pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll say that probably indicates that you spend too much time talking to sane people.

I've been around women who won't even talk about guns.

60 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:39:41pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

At 10, I began a daily communion with a demilled 1903 Springfield.

You boys have your fun.

I'll do my nails.

61 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:40:35pm

re: #52 ggt

M1 is sooo freakin' heavy!

True. Every time I carry one of my Garands from the car to the range bench I try to imagine hauling that all over Europe.

62 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:40:39pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it's a part of the fantasy that needs something holding it up. We can quote Thomas Jefferson all we want, but an armed revolt in this country would be ended abruptly by a very large, very well-trained military. 'Tain't no doubt.

So the best way to make the fantasy work is to assure your listeners that that military would HELP them, if push came to shove.

Armed revolt can only happen when a population feels it has nothing left to lose. Libya and Romania come to mind.

That's also the only situation where military loyalty can come into question. And it didn't even during the bonus marchers crisis so I'd say we can forget the military breaking with the government.

Teabaggers won't ever really revolt because they still have all their things and a quite cushy lifestyle. Too much to loose.

63 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:41:47pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

True. Every time I carry one of my Garands from the car to the range bench I try to imagine hauling that all over Europe.

Well, I assume you'd have a shoulder strap. Nearly dislocated my elbow trying to position one. I couldn't imagine firing it over and over without a stand.

64 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:42:20pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Oathkeepers.

No. Oathbreakers. Call them what they are, not what they fantasize themselves to be.

65 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:42:28pm

Heh, come to think of it, this kind of reminds me of what the publisher of this little magazine I subscribe to wrote in his editorial in the latest issue (audio, read by himself)... translated from German:

To understand the looting of stores for clothes and electronics as a form of protest, rebellion, or even initial stages of a revolution, would be as dumb as to impute the Taliban or Hamas with emancipatory tendencies. But one can glance from the marvellous successes of diverse armies in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Northern Africa, and perhaps soon in Syria, how little the Camerons and Brattons – maybe soon enforced by veterans from Kandahar – will improve the conditions in Tottenham. They will get exacerbated, like those in France's banlieues, in Madrid, and in Rome, exactly by a multitude of the percentage by which welfare will be cut. If the next President of the United States belongs to the Tea Party, war will break out in Los Angeles.

66 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:42:37pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll say that probably indicates that you spend too much time talking to sane people.

I bang on doors everyday. I've probably met most of the people who live around here in the past 3 years. Most people are very nice.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:42:48pm

re: #62 wlewisiii

Armed revolt can only happen when a population feels it has nothing left to lose. Libya and Romania come to mind.

That's also the only situation where military loyalty can come into question. And it didn't even during the bonus marchers crisis so I'd say we can forget the military breaking with the government.

Teabaggers won't ever really revolt because they still have all their things and a quite cushy lifestyle. Too much to loose.

Our Country, geographically, is too large. It would be broken-up and splintered if it ever came to armed revolt. The Republic would be lost.

68 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:43:10pm

This is another symptom of the demographic panic that some people in the Tea Party experience when they look at population trends and understand that their majority privileges are shifting.

“They can only win a rhetorical or propaganda war. We outnumber them and we have the guns.”

Deep down, even Breitbart knows this isn't true, he's just babbling.

69 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:43:33pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

It's a pretty common theme among domestic terrorists like Tim McVey or the Glenn Beck fan who plotted to assassinate people at the Tides Foundation. They think their actions are going to spark a mass uprising.

Breivik comes to mind, too.

Poor, delusional souls.

70 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:44:06pm

re: #63 ggt

Well, I assume you'd have a shoulder strap. Nearly dislocated my elbow trying to position one. I couldn't imagine firing it over and over without a stand.

"Shoulder strap" Hee Hee.

71 RadicalModerate  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:44:33pm

I'm just waiting for a certain someone who always is posting the same tired and discredited talking points about how unions are evil and violent and should be suppressed at all costs to come in and defend Brietbart's direct advocacy of same.

72 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:44:35pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

"Shoulder strap" Hee Hee.

girlz

73 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:44:40pm

re: #27 BigPapa

So easy to Godwin this guy.

There, I merely said 'Godwin' and you all easily filled in the blanks.

I have no doubt upon gaining any real power what a man like this would do.

Here's a little something your comment inspired me to create.

74 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:44:48pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

At 10, I began a daily communion with a demilled 1903 Springfield.

Now that is the most interesting phrasing of that idea that I have ever heard. I may have to use it myself someday.

75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:44:58pm

The quote from the Japanese General is what these people always refer to. "A rifle behind every blade of grass."

It's true to some extent, and not to be overlooked, but it was said in a totally different time and a totally different situation.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:45:24pm

re: #66 NJDhockeyfan

Most people are very nice.

QFT.

77 Batman  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:45:33pm

I remember kids like him in school. You know, the loud mouth who says he knows all the tough kids in town.

78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:45:45pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

"Shoulder strap" Hee Hee.

They young soldiers I met at the Pentagon at shoulder straps . . . . .

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:46:36pm

re: #68 jaunte

This is another symptom of the demographic panic that some people in the Tea Party experience when they look at population trends and understand that their majority privileges are shifting.

Deep down, even Breitbart knows this isn't true, he's just babbling.

Well, he imagines that 'we' includes mainstream conservatives, the kind of people who vote for Republican candidates, and put flags on their cars. He is quite mistaken.

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:46:43pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Here's a little something your comment inspired me to create.

I didn't see a sau or a schwein in there.

81 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:47:29pm

re: #72 albusteve

girlz

making fun of me?

:( pout

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:47:31pm

re: #75 ggt

The quote from the Japanese General is what these people always refer to. "A rifle behind every blade of grass."

It's true to some extent, and not to be overlooked, but it was said in a totally different time and a totally different situation.

Oh, we'd have that all right--in case of invasion from outside.

This nonsense? Hell no.

83 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:48:18pm

re: #74 wlewisiii

Now that is the most interesting phrasing of that idea that I have ever heard. I may have to use it myself someday.

Our gradeschool was organized as a heavy company. When you screwed up, you 'walked tours' with the '03, one hour per gig. If you complained, your class (platoon) mate would tell you to "Go see the chaplain and get your Tough Shit Card punched".

84 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:48:38pm

re: #81 ggt

making fun of me?

I had to...

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:49:34pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Our gradeschool was organized as a heavy company. When you screwed up, you 'walked tours' with the '03, one hour per gig. If you complained, your class (platoon) mate would tell you to "Go see the chaplain and get your Tough Shit Card punched".

You've been telling us bits about this school for years, and it sounds hilarious. Have you considered writing a memoir?

86 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:50:57pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, we'd have that all right--in case of invasion from outside.

This nonsense? Hell no.

armed insurrection is an unreasonable intrusion on TV time

87 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:51:47pm

re: #36 wlewisiii

QFT

They're why I put a S&W 642 on lay-away this week.

I bought the Marlin 39 TDS to complete the collection, mint condition, they're pretty hard to find. Put on a skinner peep sight and got a couple of their folding take down cases for it and the mountie.

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:51:58pm

re: #86 albusteve

armed insurrection is an unreasonable intrusion on TV time

Society needs it's pleasant little vices.

89 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:52:55pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

You've been telling us bits about this school for years, and it sounds hilarious. Have you considered writing a memoir?

I don't think GenX+ could comprehend it. It's gone now, and its functions have been taken by a nightmare foster care system. The nuns and our one-legged military instructor saved my ass. When offered a chance to rejoin my mother and her drunken husband, I refused.

90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:53:34pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

I don't think GenX+ could comprehend it. It's gone now, and its functions have been taken by a nightmare foster care system. The nuns and our one-legged military instructor saved my ass. When offered a chance to rejoin my mother and her drunken husband, I refused.

You had THE PENGUIN?

91 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:54:50pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

I don't think GenX+ could comprehend it. It's gone now, and its functions have been taken by a nightmare foster care system. The nuns and our one-legged military instructor saved my ass. When offered a chance to rejoin my mother and her drunken husband, I refused.

Ever heard of Mooseheart?

92 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:55:03pm

re: #90 ggt

You had THE PENGUIN?

I had Sister Mary Claver (Claver the Slaver), the meanest, best, bitch to ever put on a habit.

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:55:39pm

re: #57 Meitantei

I go to a school that literally got ranked by the Princeton Review as the most leftist school in the nation. A bunch of my friends decided to form a shooting club this year, and the membership has absolutely exploded despite some hand wringing from the administration. It's awesome.

Excellent! Keep up the good shooting!

My favorite gun forum is The Liberal Gun Club. All leftist gun nuts & some more nutty than others.

[Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...]

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:55:48pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

I had Sister Mary Claver (Claver the Slaver), the meanest, best, bitch to ever put on a habit.

Seen her lately?

95 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:56:30pm

re: #91 ggt

Ever heard of Mooseheart?

Sounds good, even if they do have (ekkk) girls.

96 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:57:00pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

You've been telling us bits about this school for years, and it sounds hilarious. Have you considered writing a memoir?

That's a great idea, DD. I'd pay hardback prices for that.

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:57:11pm

bbiab

98 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:57:59pm

re: #57 Meitantei

I go to a school that literally got ranked by the Princeton Review as the most leftist school in the nation. A bunch of my friends decided to form a shooting club this year, and the membership has absolutely exploded despite some hand wringing from the administration. It's awesome.

Dated a girl who went to "The Little Red Schoolhouse" in Greenwich Village. Google it.

99 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:58:18pm

To Andrew Brietbart:

I'm one of those 'liberals'. I've spent most of my life studying violence in all its forms from hand-to-hand combat to so called 'nuclear strategy'. If you want to kill me you'd better bring lots of your Nazi pest bastard cronies because I won't go easy, or alone.

Also, you might want to count the numbers again.

This, in my opinion, shows how similar the current crop of fascists is to the last major outbreak, before and during WWII. "Our enemies are weak," they say. "Our enemies don't know how to fight," they say. "Our enemies are afraid to die," they say.

Who won that conflict?

100 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:58:38pm

re: #93 wlewisiii

Excellent! Keep up the good shooting!

My favorite gun forum is The Liberal Gun Club. All leftist gun nuts & some more nutty than others.

[Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...]

lol, that link redirects me to [Link: www.proxynetwork.ws...]

101 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:58:53pm

re: #96 wlewisiii

That's a great idea, DD. I'd pay hardback prices for that.

Hang in here, and you'll eventually get it for free, as I download my mind.

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:59:37pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

I had Sister Mary Claver (Claver the Slaver), the meanest, best, bitch to ever put on a habit.

Cool. What order was she? My wife had mostly Franciscans which has it's own long term baggage... :eek:

104 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:01:45pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Nice poster, Word order is a bit dodgy, though: "Kommen Sie, Andrew Breitbart sprechen zu hören!"

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:01:47pm

re: #100 000G

lol, that link redirects me to [Link: www.proxynetwork.ws...]

Weird, I cut and pasted from my open tab.

Try at the top of the url [Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...]

106 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:01:57pm

re: #5 Lidane

That part never crosses their minds. They think everyone on the left is a pacifist hippie who is afraid of guns. Not quite.

Not quite, indeed.

These misecucated, self-loathing confederates...a part of me thinks they know this deep down, and have a death wish but are too cowardly to put themselves out of their self-generated miseries.

107 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:02:08pm

re: #103 wlewisiii

Cool. What order was she? My wife had mostly Franciscans which has it's own long term baggage... :eek:

She was Divine Providence, a German congregation founded by "The Apostle to the Labor Movement" in Mainz. The nuns were the daughters of miners and steelworkers.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:02:08pm

This is interesting:

Movie Shot On iPhone, Snuck Out Of Iran In A Cake, Will Screen In The US

109 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:02:21pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Jane Fonda said her biggest regret was not sleeping with Che Guevara

[puke]

POS

110 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:02:32pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Jane Fonda said her biggest regret was not sleeping with Che Guevara

[puke]

For that she gets to bang Ted Turner...

111 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:02:42pm

re: #64 wlewisiii

No. Oathbreakers. Call them what they are, not what they fantasize themselves to be.

Oat eaters. Mouth breathers.

112 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:03:12pm

re: #104 ralphieboy

Nice poster, Word order is a bit dodgy, though: "Kommen Sie, Andrew Breitbart sprechen zu hören!"

Yeah. Wasn't my life's project. ;) Used the Google translator and didn't hire a consultant. ;)

113 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:04:13pm

If there was even a shred of credibility to Breitbart's claim that military officers are pledging their support to him for a coup it would be grounds for a serious investigations and trials. Of course he's just a buffoon and even the Tea Partiers don't take his claims seriously.

114 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:04:22pm

German word order is a bitch because you the whole sentence read must before you to the verbs come...

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:05:07pm

re: #114 ralphieboy

German word order is a bitch because you the whole sentence read must before you to the verbs come...

Yoda was German?

116 JRCMYP  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:05:28pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Good point, even the Tea Party idiots tried to steer the conversation back to electoral issues but he kept up the theme of armed revolution.

Well, you know, it's in Boston.

117 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:05:34pm

re: #105 wlewisiii

Weird, I cut and pasted from my open tab.

Try at the top of the url [Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com...]

Main site works fine. I guess they just don't want any people from foreign countries on their forum.

118 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:05:45pm

German he was, yes...

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:05:54pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Jane Fonda said her biggest regret was not sleeping with Che Guevara

[puke]

Are we sure that's the right way around? I would assume that Che's biggest regret was not sleeping with Jane Fonda.

120 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:06:17pm

re: #94 ggt

Seen her lately?

Long dead, I keep track of her dwindling survivors at the Old Nun's Home.

121 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:06:34pm

re: #114 ralphieboy

German word order is a bitch because you the whole sentence read must before you to the verbs come...

Not neccessarily, no.

Der Käse duftete wunderbar den ganzen Frühling hindurch.

122 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:06:51pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Are we sure that's the right way around? I would assume that Che's biggest regret was not sleeping with Jane Fonda.

I urge you resolutely to bite my anti-imperialist crank!

123 JRCMYP  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:07:06pm

re: #38 jaunte

Gak!

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:07:11pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

This is interesting:

Movie Shot On iPhone, Snuck Out Of Iran In A Cake, Will Screen In The US

Wow.

125 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:07:33pm

re: #123 JRCMYP

Indeed.

126 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:07:47pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Oathkeepers.

Double patriots, like the Japanese military before and during WWII.

127 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:08:06pm

re: #117 000G

Main site works fine. I guess they just don't want any people from foreign countries on their forum.

I found Andrew Breitbart's gun!

//

128 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:08:36pm

re: #109 albusteve

POS

Speaking of POS's, here's another loser...

CodePinko leader Medea Benjamin has an article out today ripping Israel, Congress, and Jews...

Congress Sees Middle East Through AIPAC-Colored Glasses

129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:09:52pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Ehh, they just can't stand it because no quantity of their infamous guns, bombs, dogs, waterhoses, f'ed up self-serving laws, societal rules, or filthy epithets can ever eliminate us.

It makes them very, very angry. Poor dears.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:10:17pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of POS's, here's another loser...

CodePinko leader Medea Benjamin has an article out today ripping Israel, Congress, and Jews...

Congress Sees Middle East Through AIPAC-Colored Glasses

That's our Medea!

131 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:10:32pm

Earth First!
John Kerry!
Igloo White!

132 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:11:02pm

re: #2 JustJay

I wonder how shocked he'll be to discover his side isn't the the only side packing heat. Now that's a fantasy...go on, And, start that war. Oh, right, you're a wuss with a big freaking mouth.

Just like draft-dodging chicken hawks in Bush administration, from W. himself, to Cheney, to Rumsfeld. Sending your own countrymen off to die for a decade-long dick measuring contest or rambling about a second civil war is so much easier when the closest you've ever come to combat was "Platoon."

133 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:11:17pm

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

Double patriots, like the Japanese military before and during WWII.

Looks like a one-off copy of a study. Ruth Benedict wrote an anthropological analysis for our military during the war, called "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword". Might still be around.

134 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:11:32pm

ferocious Tstorm pounding my place....really violent

135 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:11:54pm

Jane Fonda... yawn. Seriously. Find some new material.

136 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:12:22pm

re: #134 albusteve

ferocious Tstorm pounding my place...really violent

That's good, right?

137 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:13:01pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow.

There's video!

Youtube Video
138 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:13:06pm

re: #134 albusteve

ferocious Tstorm pounding my place...really violent

We had a hailstorm a couple of days ago that was so dramatic, everybody on the street stepped outside (under the eaves and overhangs) to watch it.

139 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:13:17pm

re: #72 albusteve

girlz

Doesn't mean they can't be really handy with a rifle. Lyudmilla Pavlichenko

140 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:13:25pm

Smells like tu quoque.

141 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:13:42pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Jane Fonda said her biggest regret was not sleeping with Che Guevara

[puke]

Really?? Shame on you.

She supposedly confided during a feminist consciousness-raising session, ‘My biggest regret is I never got to f*** Che Guevara.’

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

142 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:14:17pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

That's good, right?

fine by me...it's a doozie tho, probably be some wind damage and flooding....coming down at 45degrees in buckets

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:14:56pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Looks like a one-off copy of a study. Ruth Benedict wrote an anthropological analysis for our military during the war, called "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword". Might still be around.

C&S is still in print, I believe. It is somewhat dated but still an interesting read so long as you remember the time it was referring to.

144 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:15:21pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

We had a hailstorm a couple of days ago that was so dramatic, everybody on the street stepped outside (under the eaves and overhangs) to watch it.

I'm drenched...this one is kicking ass

145 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:15:26pm

re: #8 000G

Doesn't this also mean that if a military person A supports a political activist X and a military person B supports a political activist Y, and X and Y hold diametrically opposed view points to the extend of civil war differences, then at least one military person has implictly commited treason through their support?

I bet Breitbart would love for the USA to look more like Turkey: religious conservative government and a strong military "protecting" the political institutions and occassionally taking things over when affairs become too leftish.

My friend (raised in Istanbul) has complained about this very thing. Friends who still reside in Turkey tell her that police will enter dance halls and shut them down, citing obscure codes or accusing dance organizers of promoting immorality or subversive activity. I'm talking tango dancing here. Suffice to say she's quite happy to be living in the U.S.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:15:48pm

re: #141 blueraven

Really?? Shame on you.

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

And that response got me a downding?

LOL!

147 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:16:09pm

re: #139 Romantic Heretic

Doesn't mean they can't be really handy with a rifle. Lyudmilla Pavlichenko

Or a fighter plane. Lydia Litvyak

148 Atlas Fails  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:17:07pm

The gun and war fetishes of so many wingnuts are rather interesting. Rush, Hannity, Brietbart, and their ilk would burn their draft cards and move to Canada before actually serving in a war, but maybe they're overcompensating for some shortcoming, if you know what I mean.

149 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:17:34pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

Jane Fonda said her biggest regret was not sleeping with Che Guevara

[puke]

Really? I would have assumed Barbarella was her biggest regret.

150 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:19:47pm

Speaking of numbers:

Why Are 46 Million Americans Living in Poverty?

More than 46 million lived below the federal poverty line last year, the highest number since the census began tracking that data five decades ago.

The poverty line is lower than you might think: $11,139 a year for a single person, $22,314 a year for a family of four. The poverty rate itself is at the highest level since 1993.

151 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:20:09pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

And that response got me a downding?

LOL!

Yes, your post is dishonest. Maybe you didn't think anyone would read this long smear piece.

There is absolutely no evidence that she said what you wrote. Pure hearsay, speculation, non sourced bullshit.

152 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:23:34pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Looks like a one-off copy of a study. Ruth Benedict wrote an anthropological analysis for our military during the war, called "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword". Might still be around.

I'll have to look that up.

I remember that Yamamoto spent most of his time at sea and in Navy facilities because he would likely have been murdered by 'double patriots' for his opposition to and criticism of their militarism, especially attacking the US. A place he knew well and knew would kick Japan's ass in a war.

But wingnuts of all stripes never want to hear facts.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:23:57pm

re: #151 blueraven

Yes, your post is dishonest. Maybe you didn't think anyone would read this long smear piece.

There is absolutely no evidence that she said what you wrote. Pure hearsay, speculation, non sourced bullshit.

Thank you for defending this disgusting traitorous wench. You have exposed yourself. Want to spin comments by Medea Benjamin next?

154 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:24:17pm

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you for defending this disgusting traitorous wench. You have exposed yourself. Want to spin comments by Medea Benjamin next?

fuck off

155 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:24:48pm

Earth First!
Igloo White!
Jane Fonda!

156 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:25:25pm

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you for defending this disgusting traitorous wench. You have exposed yourself. Want to spin comments by Medea Benjamin next?

Hey, watch that wench stuff, buddy.

And there's no reason to lie about someone you have no respect for. Expect a fact-checking....

157 Tigger2  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:25:44pm

Breitbart is delusional as hell.

158 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:26:46pm

It occurred to me, while watching the video, that Breitbart might be on something in that video. The way he's sweating, the scratching at his face, his eyes. I'm thinking speed.

159 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:27:20pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or a fighter plane. Lydia Litvyak

Jeez--that needs to be a film script.

160 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:28:43pm

0re: #156 wrenchwench

Hey, watch that wench stuff, buddy.

I was being nice quite frankly. She deserves much worse.

And there's no reason to lie about someone you have no respect for. Expect a fact-checking...

OK, go ahead. I'm waiting.

161 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:28:57pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

And that response got me a downding?

LOL!

You're taking the Daily Fail seriously? Really?

Why not take the National Enquirer or OK! Magazine as the literal truth while you're at it?

162 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:29:54pm

re: #154 blueraven

fuck off

ROFLMAO!

163 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:30:04pm

re: #152 Romantic Heretic

I'll have to look that up.

I remember that Yamamoto spent most of his time at sea and in Navy facilities because he would likely have been murdered by 'double patriots' for his opposition to and criticism of their militarism, especially attacking the US. A place he knew well and knew would kick Japan's ass in a war.

But wingnuts of all stripes never want to hear facts.

Will research the term. Sounds like the bunch that brought a second bomb for Nagasaki.

164 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:30:36pm

re: #161 Lidane

You're taking the Daily Fail seriously? Really?

Why not take the National Enquirer or OK! Magazine as the literal truth while you're at it?

it's been all over the press...it's a quote from a new biography

165 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:31:41pm

Patricia Bosworth is selling a book about Jane Fonda; otherwise, nobody would be talking about her now.

166 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:31:43pm

re: #164 albusteve

it's been all over the wingnut press...it's a quote from a new biography

FTFY

167 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:32:36pm

re: #164 albusteve

it's been all over the press...it's a quote from a new biography

Biography suggests she didn't write it herself. What's the source of the claim and how can it be verified?

Anyone can write a biography of another person. Kitty Kelly's made a career out of smearing people in print. What is the actual source of the claim?

168 Gus  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:32:47pm

Derail thread on right winger Andrew Breitbart accomplished.

169 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:32:52pm

re: #166 Gus 802

FTFY

probably a lie...expect a lawsuit

170 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:33:32pm

re: #161 Lidane

You're taking the Daily Fail seriously? Really?

Funny how many of you leftys have issues with the Daily Mail when they post a story that you disagree with yet will post links to the same website for a story you like. How progressive!

Now, if you had made it to the end of the article you would have noticed it's an excerpt from a book coming out.

Adapted from Jane Fonda by Patricia Bosworth, to be published on October 1 by The Robson Press

The Daily Fail...LOL!

171 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:33:55pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or a fighter plane. Lydia Litvyak

Let's not forget the Night Witches.

172 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:34:08pm

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

0

I was being nice quite frankly. She deserves much worse.

OK, go ahead. I'm waiting.

You already got it from blueraven.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:34:23pm

re: #161 Lidane

Why not take the National Enquirer...!

John Edwards would not like that.

174 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:34:51pm

re: #167 Lidane

Biography suggests she didn't write it herself. What's the source of the claim and how can it be verified?

Anyone can write a biography of another person. Kitty Kelly's made a career out of smearing people in print. What is the actual source of the claim?

beats me...maybe she didn't say it

175 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:35:03pm

re: #170 NJDhockeyfan

Funny how many of you leftys have issues with the Daily Mail when they post a story that you disagree with yet will post links to the same website for a story you like. How progressive!

Feel free to scour all of my posts here at LGF for a single instance of me quoting the Daily Fail as my primary source for anything.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:36:21pm

re: #175 Lidane

Feel free to scour all of my posts here at LGF for a single instance of me quoting the Daily Fail as my primary source for anything.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Not interesting in searching LGF about you. That would be an incredible waste of my time.

177 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:37:40pm

re: #174 albusteve

beats me...maybe she didn't say it

That's the point. It's a biography, which implies that Fonda herself wasn't a source for anything, and the author looked elsewhere for information.

I wasn't alive during Vietnam, so all the political uproar over Jane Fonda doesn't mean a damned thing to me. When I think of her I think of all those cheesy aerobics videos of the 80's. But until I know the actual source for that claim, I'm not willing to take it at face value.

178 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:38:08pm

re: #158 Romantic Heretic

It occurred to me, while watching the video, that Breitbart might be on something in that video. The way he's sweating, the scratching at his face, his eyes. I'm thinking speed.

I always thought he acted like he was a steroids but he's too fat. Make coke or speed or just a manic personality.

179 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:38:45pm

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Not interesting in searching LGF about you. That would be an incredible waste of my time.

And yet you're willing to suggest that as a "lefty", I'd be quick to link to the Daily Fail if it was a story I agreed with.

Looks like the only thing that's not interesting around here is you. As usual.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:41:49pm

re: #179 Lidane

And yet you're willing to suggest that as a "lefty", I'd be quick to link to the Daily Fail if it was a story I agreed with.

Pay attention...

Funny how many of you leftys have issues with the Daily Mail when they post a story that you disagree with yet will post links to the same website for a story you like. How progressive!

Was I specifically aiming at you are generally most of the leftys on here?
Read it again and the truth will set you free!

181 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:42:21pm

re: #148 Atlas Fails

The gun and war fetishes of so many wingnuts are rather interesting. Rush, Hannity, Brietbart, and their ilk would burn their draft cards and move to Canada before actually serving in a war, but maybe they're overcompensating for some shortcoming, if you know what I mean.

The lack of a draft makes all the difference now.

The same guys who were liberals/moderates back when there was a draft, and who did everything they could to avoid military service are now the same right-wing douchebags that are the first ones to wave a gun around or clamor for war now that they're too old to serve and their kids can't be forced into a war zone.

182 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:43:01pm

Pilot: Major changes done to P-51 that crashed
[Link: www.nctimes.com...]

183 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:44:14pm

re: #177 Lidane

That's the point. It's a biography, which implies that Fonda herself wasn't a source for anything, and the author looked elsewhere for information.

I wasn't alive during Vietnam, so all the political uproar over Jane Fonda doesn't mean a damned thing to me. When I think of her I think of all those cheesy aerobics videos of the 80's. But until I know the actual source for that claim, I'm not willing to take it at face value.

From Wiki:

Patricia Bosworth

Patricia Bosworth (born April 24, 1933) is an American journalist and biographer. A former faculty member of the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University, she has also been an editor, actress and model.

...Changing careers to journalism afterward, she became an editor at Woman's Day and from 1969 to 1972 was senior editor of McCall's. Bosworth served as managing editor of Harper's Bazaar from 1972 to 1974, and then as executive editor of the nightlife magazine Viva from 1974 to 1976. She also freelanced for the arts section of The New York Times, as well as for national magazines, and was a contributing editor of Vanity Fair. She reviewed numerous books for The New York Times, and profiled film historian Lawrence J. Quirk for the April 1998 issue of Vanity Fair and Penthouse founder Bob Guccione for the February 2005 issue of the same magazine.

...Bosworth is the author of biographies on Montgomery Clift (1978), Diane Arbus (1984) and Marlon Brando (2000).

Her book, Montgomery Clift: A Biography tells the story of the actor, whose introverted style of acting influenced James Dean and many other performers. In researching her book, the author had total access to Clift's family and many persons who knew the actor and worked with him.

Bosworth's biography, Diane Arbus dealt with the life of the famous photographer, who committed suicide in 1971, and examines her controversial, technically innovative pictures of dwarfs, nudists and drag queens that won her a reputation as "a photographer of freaks".

According to Publishers Weekly, Bosworth's biography on Marlon Brando "offers a vivid reminder of the personal and professional highlights of Brando's life." It is "an informative biography of Brando that, because of the limited format of the Penguin Lives series, hints at but cannot do justice to the great unruliness of Brando's career and life. She provides a fine, detailed sketch of his New York days when he took acting classes with 'Harry Belafonte, Elaine Stritch, Gene Saks, Shelley Winters, Rod Steiger and Kim Stanley', and presents a great portrait of the craziness on the set of Last Tango in Paris (co-star Maria Schneider announced that they got along 'because we're both bisexual')", but in only 228 pages, the author "can't approach the complexity of her earlier work".

As of 2007, Bosworth was writing a biography of Jane Fonda. The book is set for publication in 2011.

184 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:45:52pm

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

From Wiki:

Here's a clue: pointing at the author of a biography instead of at the author's source for a particular claim doesn't prove your point.

FAIL. Again.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:46:15pm

Gotta run. Taking the missus out to dinner to celebrate our 18th wedding anniversary.

Later!

186 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:47:15pm

re: #184 Lidane

Here's a clue: pointing at the author of a biography instead of at the author's source for a particular claim doesn't prove your point.

FAIL. Again.

She has a history of writing fantastic biographies. Quit whining.

187 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:47:25pm

re: #184 Lidane

Here's a clue: pointing at the author of a biography instead of at the author's source for a particular claim doesn't prove your point.

FAIL. Again.

it's supposedly from an interview with Fonda...I saw it in quotation marks, but it's not a big deal

188 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:48:14pm

A very interesting survey about public opinion on global warming:

[Link: environment.yale.edu...]

There's a whole lot there. Here's my favorite part:

A question on whether "most scientists" think that global warming is happening:

Democrats: 55%
Independents: 46%
Republicans: 29%
Tea Party: 10%

What does this mean? It means that only 10% if Tea Partiers have the slightest clue about what scientists think about global warming (and note, the question doesn't even refer to Anthropogenic global warming).

And I'm having an argument over at Judith Curry's website with a "conservative" who is trying to claim that "conservatives" are better informed about climate change.

Check out the survey - lots to look at.

189 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:48:48pm

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan


She sounds like a lovely writer. Full of facts, she is. /

Eventually, Jane split from Sutherland, saying she was moving into a different phase of her life and she couldn’t share it with one man. There were soon rumours that she was having liaisons with various activists.

She supposedly confided during a feminist consciousness-raising session, ‘My biggest regret is I never got to f*** Che Guevara.’

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

190 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:48:58pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

So asking for evidence is whining now?

That explains a lot about the modern right wing.

191 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:51:49pm

up to 9 deaths now from the air race crash

192 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:58:44pm

re: #188 Talking Point Detective

Awesome:

Tea Party members are much more likely to say that they are “very well informed” about global warming than the other groups. Likewise, they are also much more likely to say they “do not need any more information” about global warming to make up their mind.

193 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:59:05pm

Breitbart just spit on the loyalty & patriotism of every member of our armed forces. My father was a Marine who saw combat in the South Pacific in WW2 in defense of the the freedoms this jackass & others like him use to drum up hatred against his fellow Americans.

Dad was pretty darned old school and conservative and white, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that if he were still alive today he'd have nothing but contempt for these right-wing nutjob ingrates and their self-serving, bullshit jingoism.

194 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 1:59:08pm

re: #188 Talking Point Detective

A very interesting survey about public opinion on global warming:

[Link: environment.yale.edu...]

Speaking of surveys: Public Opinion Stunner: More Americans Understand World is Warming — Thanks to Rick Perry

More Americans than last year believe the world is warming and the change is likely influenced by the Republican presidential debates, a Reuters/Ipsos poll said on Thursday.

The percentage of Americans who believe the Earth has been warming rose to 83 percent from 75 percent last year in the poll conducted Sept 8-12.

And much to the chagrin of the few people here who luv to go on about how much independents hate anything "liberal":

Interestingly, the polling shows that the biggest movement toward understanding the Earth has been warming occurred among independents, a 9.5% rise in those who believe the Earth has been warming.

195 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:00:27pm

Nice! Got a link from Crooks and Liars....
Breitbart's Uncivil War Fantasy

196 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:02:14pm

re: #191 albusteve

:(

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:02:35pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Long dead, I keep track of her dwindling survivors at the Old Nun's Home.

What do they seem like to you as an adult?

198 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:03:04pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

She has a history of writing fantastic biographies. Quit whining.

LOL, the top merriam-webster definition of fantastic is:

1
a : based on fantasy : not real
b : conceived or seemingly conceived by unrestrained fancy
c : so extreme as to challenge belief : unbelievable; broadly : exceedingly large or great

While I'm sure you mean superlative I'm wondering what one calls an unintentional double entendre?

199 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:03:47pm

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

A former faculty member of the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University

This is someone you use as a source? That's not like you...

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:05:27pm

re: #139 Romantic Heretic

Doesn't mean they can't be really handy with a rifle. Lyudmilla Pavlichenko

The girls at the gun club always do better than the boys.

The old men love it. They say girls are less "dis-tractable".

They credit themselves with an Olympic Gold Medalist --a girl from decades ago.

201 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:06:18pm

re: #197 ggt

What do they seem like to you as an adult?

Very, very good, people who were quite wrong. An error in cosmology didn't invalidate their lives of love, service and sacrifice.

202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:06:57pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

She has a history of writing fantastic biographies. Quit whining.

All the biographies I own go in my Fiction section.

203 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:08:37pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

LOL, the top merriam-webster definition of fantastic is:

While I'm sure you mean superlative I'm wondering what one calls an unintentional double entendre?

And he thought "wench" was a pejorative!

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:10:57pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Very, very good, people who were quite wrong. An error in cosmology didn't invalidate their lives of love, service and sacrifice.

did they still scare you as an adult?

205 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:11:24pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

Funny, yes, but also creepy as hell.

Speaking of creepy, I've been trying to figure out who the hell Breitbart kept reminding me of. Now, thanks to that brain-bleach-necessitating link posted by jaunte, I've figured it out - take a good look at the expressions especially:

Image: andrew-breitbart-by-advertising-photographer-michael-grecco-01-502x670.jpg

Image: RatkoMladic.jpg

On another note, Breitbart in that photo forgot to carry a cross

206 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:12:02pm

By the way, I almost met Jane Fonda once. I met Tom Hayden, and Jane was there, but I didn't meet her.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:12:12pm

re: #205 publicityStunted

Speaking of creepy, I've been trying to figure out who the hell Breitbart kept reminding me of. Now, thanks to that brain-bleach-necessitating link posted by jaunte, I've figured it out - take a good look at the expressions especially:

Image: andrew-breitbart-by-advertising-photographer-micha el-grecco-01-502x670.jpg

Image: RatkoMladic.jpg

On another note, Breitbart in that photo forgot to carry a cross

JESUS, I CLICKED on that!! What are you trying to do, blind people?

208 Lidane  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:12:28pm

Looks like the Republicans finally found a tax cut they don't support:

House GOP rejects Obama jobs proposals

House Republican leaders say they are rejecting President Barack Obama's jobs proposals to rebuild schools and blighted neighborhoods, and help keep state and local employees on the job.

In a memo to GOP lawmakers that was also issued publicly and reprinted in The New York Times, House Speaker John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and other Republican leaders also objected to the president's proposal for a temporary reduction in payroll taxes, in order to boost consumer spending and increase demand.

The GOP leaders say such a temporary reduction means taxes will go up later when the reduction expires in 2013.

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:12:37pm

re: #170 NJDhockeyfan

Funny how many of you leftys have issues with the Daily Mail when they post a story that you disagree with yet will post links to the same website for a story you like.

And who has done that?

How progressive!

e_e

210 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:13:03pm

re: #204 ggt

did they still scare you as an adult?

They didn't scare me then. We knew we were on the same side. (Besides, I outnumber them--there is only one (old) nun in our county.

211 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:13:17pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

By the way, I almost met Jane Fonda once. I met Tom Hayden, and Jane was there, but I didn't meet her.

commie!
/

212 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:13:34pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

It's just the same old routine, different day:

Youtube Video
213 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:14:42pm

re: #205 publicityStunted

Speaking of creepy, I've been trying to figure out who the hell Breitbart kept reminding me of. Now, thanks to that brain-bleach-necessitating link posted by jaunte, I've figured it out - take a good look at the expressions especially:

Image: andrew-breitbart-by-advertising-photographer-micha el-grecco-01-502x670.jpg

Image: RatkoMladic.jpg

On another note, Breitbart in that photo forgot to carry a cross

Ratko Breitbart has a ring to it....

214 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:14:46pm

re: #205 publicityStunted

Would that I could unsee that.

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:14:47pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

They didn't scare me then. We knew we were on the same side. (Besides, I outnumber them--there is only one (old) nun in our county.

Nuns still scare me. But, I find that as an adult, they are some of the coolest people around.

216 Alexzander  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:14:54pm

LiveStream of the #occupywallstreet protest in NYC:

[Link: www.livestream.com...]

217 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:15:10pm

re: #52 ggt

M1 is sooo freakin' heavy!

And you haven't lived until you've learned -- the hard way -- how (not) to close the bolt.

218 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:15:32pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

Breitbart just spit on the loyalty & patriotism of every member of our armed forces. My father was a Marine who saw combat in the South Pacific in WW2 in defense of the the freedoms this jackass & others like him use to drum up hatred against his fellow Americans.

Dad was pretty darned old school and conservative and white, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that if he were still alive today he'd have nothing but contempt for these right-wing nutjob ingrates and their self-serving, bullshit jingoism.

my father's exact same story...Marines, Tarawa, Saipan, Okinawa...he would have said exactly the same thing...what an insult, and foolish to think a man would automatically defer his patriotism to a fucking political party...AB has no wits at all

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:15:56pm

re: #217 negativ

And you haven't lived until you've learned -- the hard way -- how (not) to close the bolt.

Yeah, I'll keep my thumbs thank you.

220 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:16:16pm

re: #215 ggt

Nuns still scare me. But, I find that as an adult, they are some of the coolest people around.

Yes--they really don't think like everyone at the mall. In some ways they are like drugfree hardcore hippies.

221 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:16:56pm

re: #205 publicityStunted

LOL, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, the Photoshop crop tool.

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:17:00pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

Yes--they really don't think like everyone at the mall. In some ways they are like drugfree hardcore hippies.

I agree --no worries about the material world and life is an adventure!

223 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:17:40pm

re: #194 publicityStunted

Yeah - I saw that. Pretty funny.

But I would guess that it has more to do with the extreme weather than it does with Perry.

"Skeptics" have been trying to attribute changing views on climate change to "Climategate," even though they have no data to support that attribution. I think that it is more likely that a couple of cold winters explained changing public viewpoints.

And now I think that the recent extreme weather is having the opposite impact.

People are inclined to view climate change through a short time frame.

The poll I linked showed that Demz think that warm weather is evidence of climate trends but not cold weather, while Repubs think that cold weather is evidence of climate trends but not hot weather. Unfortunately, climate change has been a proxy for political battles - and that is the entire focus of someone like Perry. Who knows what he really thinks about climate change (or creationism, or vaccines, or anything controversial)? We'll never know. What we do know is what he thinks he can milk for political expediency - and he's definitely on board with exploiting climate denialism. Looks like that may not work out too well if we keep getting extreme weather (although a cold winter will help him out).

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:18:28pm

re: #223 Talking Point Detective

Yeah - I saw that. Pretty funny.

But I would guess that it has more to do with the extreme weather than it does with Perry.

"Skeptics" have been trying to attribute changing views on climate change to "Climategate," even though they have no data to support that attribution. I think that it is more likely that a couple of cold winters explained changing public viewpoints.

And now I think that the recent extreme weather is having the opposite impact.

People are inclined to view climate change through a short time frame.

The poll I linked showed that Demz think that warm weather is evidence of climate trends but not cold weather, while Repubs think that cold weather is evidence of climate trends but not hot weather. Unfortunately, climate change has been a proxy for political battles - and that is the entire focus of someone like Perry. Who knows what he really thinks about climate change (or creationism, or vaccines, or anything controversial)? We'll never know. What we do know is what he thinks he can milk for political expediency - and he's definitely on board with exploiting climate denialism. Looks like that may not work out too well if we keep getting extreme weather (although a cold winter will help him out).

Perhaps G-d is on the side of the scientists and is sending the extreme weather to help?

/

225 jaunte  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:18:47pm

re: #205 publicityStunted

Speaking of creepy, I've been trying to figure out who the hell Breitbart kept reminding me of. Now, thanks to that brain-bleach-necessitating link posted by jaunte, I've figured it out - take a good look at the expressions especially:

Image: andrew-breitbart-by-advertising-photographer-micha el-grecco-01-502x670.jpg

Image: RatkoMladic.jpg

On another note, Breitbart in that photo forgot to carry a cross

Remember the way professional photographers work. That one was the best of the bunch.

226 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:20:10pm

re: #192 000G

Awesome:

Really - that quote is just a think of beauty. Re-posting for emphasis:

Tea Party members are much more likely to say that they are “very well informed” about global warming than the other groups. Likewise, they are also much more likely to say they “do not need any more information” about global warming to make up their mind.

227 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:21:38pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
That photo needs the Laugh-In Fickle Finger of Fate Award.

228 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:22:02pm

re: #188 Talking Point Detective

I smiled at this:

A majority of Democrats oppose building more nuclear power plants (65%), while majorities of Independents (52%), Republicans (62%) and Tea Party members (67%) support building them.

However, only a majority of Tea Party members (52%) would support building a nuclear power plant in their own local area. All other groups would be opposed.

I have to give them that: they are committed.

229 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:22:20pm

re: #218 albusteve

my father's exact same story...Marines, Tarawa, Saipan, Okinawa...he would have said exactly the same thing...what an insult, and foolish to think a man would automatically defer his patriotism to a fucking political party...AB has no wits at all

Amen, brother. My dad was in Guam, the Philippines, and possibly Okinawa, but I'm not sure on that last one. He died when I was a teenager and he didn't much like talking about the war, so the memories are pretty foggy—i.e. I don't know if I just heard him talk about Okinawa or if he was actually there.

I wonder if it's possible to get copies of a parent's military records. Does anyone know?

230 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #222 ggt

I agree --no worries about the material world and life is an adventure!

And it's not just Catholic, some of the same spirit is in the sort-of-extinct Shakers and a surviving hidden world of "intentional communities". There is an interesting Protestant kibbutz across the river in Georgia that we've visited.

231 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:24:14pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker
Hmm. Maybe your local Congressperson or Senator can help?

232 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:24:44pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

[Link: www.archives.gov...]

233 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:24:50pm

re: #231 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Maybe your local Congressperson or Senator can help?

Good idea, thanks.

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:25:04pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

Amen, brother. My dad was in Guam, the Philippines, and possibly Okinawa, but I'm not sure on that last one. He died when I was a teenager and he didn't much like talking about the war, so the memories are pretty foggy—i.e. I don't know if I just heard him talk about Okinawa or if he was actually there.

I wonder if it's possible to get copies of a parent's military records. Does anyone know?

Yep, I think the depository is in St. Louis, but there was a fire. I think you have to go to the, aw shit, I forgot. There is a website. Perhaps if you start at the White House.gov or google: Military records.

235 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:25:24pm

re: #226 Talking Point Detective

Tea Party members are much more likely to say that they are “very well informed” about global warming than the other groups. Likewise, they are also much more likely to say they “do not need any more information” about global warming to make up their mind.

"Don't bother me with the facts, I've already made up my mind."

On a related note, you might enjoy this thread, especially when a certain visitor shows up :)

236 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:25:32pm

re: #232 wlewisiii

[Link: www.archives.gov...]

Thank you!

237 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:25:32pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

Amen. brother. My dad was in Guam, the Philippines, and possibly Okinawa, but I'm not sure on that last one. He died when I was a teenager and he didn't much like talking about the war, so the memories are pretty foggy—i.e. I don't know if I just heard him talk about Okinawa or if he was actually there.

I wonder if it's possible to get copies of a parent's military records. Does anyone know?

if you know what division he served with, contact them...sounds like the 1st

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:25:42pm

re: #232 wlewisiii

[Link: www.archives.gov...]

That's it!

239 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:28:10pm

re: #228 000G

I smiled at this:

I have to give them that: they are committed.

Are committed, or should be committed?

240 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:28:45pm

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Not interesting in searching LGF about you. That would be an incredible waste of my time.

Afraid to look because it'd be a "waste of [your] time" or because you might be proven wrong?

Put up or shut up...what do you have to lose, except face?

241 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:28:57pm

re: #188 Talking Point Detective

I have no idea why Yale put the following under the headline Values and Politics:

Democrats are more likely to believe that human beings evolved from earlier species of animals (62%), compared to Independents (57%), Republicans (51%), and Tea Party members (34%).

242 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:29:28pm

re: #237 albusteve

if you know what division he served with, contact them...sounds like the 1st

Thanks, looks like I've got what I need now. I'd love to see the records. One of my sisters had scanned a letter he sent to his sister during the war from the Philippines. It was fascinating to read a little bit of first-hand history. Unfortunately, I've managed to misplace the scans...maybe I'll look for them again this weekend.

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:29:32pm

meerkittehs

babies --very cute

244 Bear  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:29:32pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

If you can find his discharge paper it should at least list the campaign ribbons and you then would see one for Okinawa.

245 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:31:14pm

re: #238 ggt

re: #244 Bear

If you can find his discharge paper it should at least list the campaign ribbons and you then would see one for Okinawa.

Thanks to both of you.

246 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:33:13pm

re: #244 Bear

If you can find his discharge paper it should at least list the campaign ribbons and you then would see one for Okinawa.

I think it was DD214 even then. My dad's (and my) records were largely destroyed in the St Louis fire, but in the last couple years bits and pieces are showing up in the net. I found my dad's local draft call using just a name search and county of residence. I was able to recreate much of his service from that.

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:34:22pm

My Dad saved every bit of paperwork relating to his service, his compulsory National Guard service and is discharge.

When he was out, wanted there to be no doubt he was OUT.

LOL

248 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:35:24pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

I think it was DD214 even then. My dad's (and my) records were largely destroyed in the St Louis fire, but in the last couple years bits and pieces are showing up in the net. I found my dad's local draft call using just a name search and county of residence. I was able to recreate much of his service from that.

I would love an official regimental/battalion record of my dad's service....but he talked openly and I learned much through the years...a day to day log would be cool tho

249 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:36:25pm

re: #247 ggt

My Dad saved every bit of paperwork relating to his service, his compulsory National Guard service and is discharge.

When he was out, wanted there to be no doubt he was OUT.

LOL

I've still got my post-service 'draft' card (4Y). I suppose I should burn it in a fit of lefty nostalgia.

250 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:37:22pm

re: #208 Lidane

Looks like the Republicans finally found a tax cut they don't support:

House GOP rejects Obama jobs proposals

The TPGOP assholes in the House know that if they give an inch on anything President Obama proposes, no matter how much it may help Americans (even in their own districts), it'll be curtains for them come next year.

You cynical, selfish, twisted TPGOP assholes...playing that "Party Uber Alles" card.

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:37:29pm

My dad had very little to say about his military service. Having to be at war AND desegregate a virulently anti-Black institution at the same time was probably a bit much.

252 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:37:37pm

re: #248 albusteve

I would love an official regimental/battalion record of my dad's service...but he talked openly and I learned much through the years...a day to day log would be cool tho

About a quarter or so of the pre-60s records survived the fire. Worth a shot.

253 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:38:29pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

I've still got my post-service 'draft' card (4Y). I suppose I should burn it in a fit of lefty nostalgia.

LOL

254 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:40:23pm

As a German, let me tell you that I am slightly envious of the people in other countries in which intergenerational communication about WWII is a lot easier than in Germany.

255 HappyWarrior  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:42:27pm

Sad little man.

256 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:42:38pm

re: #254 000G

As a German, let me tell you that I am slightly envious of the people in other countries in which intergenerational communication about WWII is a lot easier than in Germany.

Yeah, among Americans, we have a few more afterwards in which people aren't all that forthcoming, either.

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:42:54pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

I've still got my post-service 'draft' card (4Y). I suppose I should burn it in a fit of lefty nostalgia.

NO, don't. Ended-up being a big help in establishing citizenship when the parents moved from Ohio to Illinois. Believe it or not. The hoops one must jump thru to get a State Issued ID (they decided not to drive) was ridiculous.

84 and 80 yo needed to establish citizenship. . . .

258 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:44:31pm

re: #254 000G

As a German, let me tell you that I am slightly envious of the people in other countries in which intergenerational communication about WWII is a lot easier than in Germany.

as for the US Marines, there was no politics regarding command, no urban fighting or civilians to worry about or any moral concerns, generally speaking it was just a straight up fight to punish the Japanese....maybe that has something to do with it

259 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:46:04pm

re: #257 ggt

NO, don't. Ended-up being a big help in establishing citizenship when the parents moved from Ohio to Illinois. Believe it or not. The hoops one must jump thru to get a State Issued ID (they decided not to drive) was ridiculous.

84 and 80 yo needed to establish citizenship. . . .

I've still got my '60s student photo ID from UofL. I doubt anyone would give me a voter card on it.

260 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:47:30pm

re: #254 000G

As a German, let me tell you that I am slightly envious of the people in other countries in which intergenerational communication about WWII is a lot easier than in Germany.

I can sort of imagine. My sister married a German whose father used to beat him often, until he was an adult. He had some mysterious military past. His son committed suicide, leaving my sister a widow at a young age. She stayed in Germany, though.

261 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:48:35pm

re: #208 Lidane

Looks like the Republicans finally found a tax cut they don't support:

House GOP rejects Obama jobs proposals

So their argument is tax cuts aren't good unless they're permanent, that temporary cuts are bad because eventually they'll end and taxes will go up?

Kept wondering how they'd find a way to argue against a tax cut, guess I'll wonder no longer.

262 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:49:14pm

re: #258 albusteve

as for the US Marines, there was no politics regarding command, no urban fighting or civilians to worry about or any moral concerns, generally speaking it was just a straight up fight to punish the Japanese...maybe that has something to do with it

Their supreme commanders not having been Hitler, Himmler & co bent on a war of extermination might also have had something to do with it.

263 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:50:15pm

re: #261 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So their argument is tax cuts aren't good unless they're permanent, that temporary cuts are bad because eventually they'll end and taxes will go up?

Kept wondering how they'd find a way to argue against a tax cut, guess I'll wonder no longer.

there is hardly widespread dem support for this bill in the senate either...it's not just the GOP

264 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:51:23pm

re: #261 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So their argument is tax cuts aren't good unless they're permanent, that temporary cuts are bad because eventually they'll end and taxes will go up?

Kept wondering how they'd find a way to argue against a tax cut, guess I'll wonder no longer.

If that's true they should have never voted for the Bush tax cuts. They were intended to sunset in 10 years...

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:52:16pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

I can sort of imagine. My sister married a German whose father used to beat him often, until he was an adult. He had some mysterious military past. His son committed suicide, leaving my sister a widow at a young age. She stayed in Germany, though.

Tons of PTSD from that war -- transferred to the next generation thru domestic violence and alcoholism.

The long-term affects of war.

266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:52:28pm

re: #264 blueraven

If that's true they should have never voted for the Bush tax cuts. They were intended to sunset in 10 years...

Well..when you've been told "the Lord is gonna return soon, anyway" ...

267 blueraven  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:53:20pm

re: #263 albusteve

there is hardly widespread dem support for this bill in the senate either...it's not just the GOP

Yes a handful of Dem Senators dont like the pay-fors. So come up with better ones.

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:53:27pm

re: #261 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So their argument is tax cuts aren't good unless they're permanent, that temporary cuts are bad because eventually they'll end and taxes will go up?

Kept wondering how they'd find a way to argue against a tax cut, guess I'll wonder no longer.

There is no such thing as permanent.

Well, death, taxes and OhCrap has to stay Black.

:)

269 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:54:19pm

Lamb shank curry has been cooking this afternoon. Smells delicious!

270 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:54:35pm

re: #258 albusteve

as for the US Marines, there was no politics regarding command, no urban fighting or civilians to worry about or any moral concerns, generally speaking it was just a straight up fight to punish the Japanese...maybe that has something to do with it

Yep. I remember my dad talking about how their job was to be sent onto an island where they had to clear out any dangers while the rest of the troops waited offshore. Once things were "safe" (or as safe as they can be during war) they'd light some sort of smoke bomb type flares that would send up colored smoke to let those waiting know where to go.

In that letter from the Philippines, he didn't mention any combat—IIRC he was in Manila—it mostly sounded like they went in to secure the place after the Japanese had been routed. Oddly, the one thing I do remember is something about money from the banks lying around everywhere because it was now worthless—maybe it was Japanese money?—becuase he even joked about them being bank robbers.

271 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:55:03pm

re: #267 blueraven

Yes a handful of Dem Senators, dont like the pay-fors. So come up with better ones.

whatever...it hardly makes much difference to me at this point...I'm just a paying spectator

272 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:55:13pm

re: #268 ggt

There is no such thing as permanent.

Well, death, taxes and OhCrap has to stay Black.

:)

I would not want it any other way, either. But for the children playing at home, you probably ought to give them a context for that statement.

273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:55:53pm

Beautiful Video

274 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:57:32pm

re: #263 albusteve

there is hardly widespread dem support for this bill in the senate either...it's not just the GOP

As noted by blueraven, the majority of the muttering from Dems I've heard over this is due to the methods proposed for paying for the bill. Some others are peeved that it's so lackluster, which is not surprising when economists have been sounding off that the Recovery Act was too small to do more than blunt the recession.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are staying to script, finding any way they can to argue against a jobs bill, against tax cuts, and generally against Obama. I never expected they were going to support this bill.

275 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 2:59:28pm

re: #270 CuriousLurker

Yep. I remember my dad talking about how their job was to be sent onto an island where they had to clear out any dangers while the rest of the troops waited offshore. Once things were "safe" (or as safe as they can be during war) they'd light some sort of smoke bomb type flares that would send up colored smoke to let those waiting know where to go.

In that letter from the Philippines, he didn't mention any combat—IIRC he was in Manila—it mostly sounded like they went in to secure the place after the Japanese had been routed. Oddly, the one thing I do remember is something about money from the banks lying around everywhere because it was now worthless—maybe it was Japanese money?—becuase he even joked about them being bank robbers.

Manila must have been a nightmare...virtually destroyed and untold thousands of civilian casualties...I can't imagine

276 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:01:13pm

re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

As noted by blueraven, the majority of the muttering from Dems I've heard over this is due to the methods proposed for paying for the bill. Some others are peeved that it's so lackluster, which is not surprising when economists have been sounding off that the Recovery Act was too small to do more than blunt the recession.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are staying to script, finding any way they can to argue against a jobs bill, against tax cuts, and generally against Obama. I never expected they were going to support this bill.

round and round we go...

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:02:12pm

re: #272 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I would not want it any other way, either. But for the children playing at home, you probably ought to give them a context for that statement.

ah, well, I don't know who said it first. But the saying goes the "Only thing I have to do is stay Black and Die."

Obviously said by an African-American.

IMHO, a GREAT line.

278 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:02:53pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

I can sort of imagine. My sister married a German whose father used to beat him often, until he was an adult.

Violence was an integral part of a lot of upbringing in Germany for a long time. I don't think you can understand WWII without and even more importantly, WWI without it. I recommend Michael Haneke's brilliant 2009 movie The White Ribbonto get a feel for Germany's social conservative roots.

He had some mysterious military past.

They all are, if you hadn't been a General or something. I remember asking my grandmother about my late grandfather's military records. She was very mistrustful at first and suspected I wanted to slander him.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:04:32pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Lamb shank curry has been cooking this afternoon. Smells delicious!

sounds x-rated

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:04:35pm

re: #277 ggt

ah, well, I don't know who said it first. But the saying goes the "Only thing I have to do is stay Black and Die."

Obviously said by an African-American.

IMHO, a GREAT line.

Said in a Jennifer Weiner novel by a white Jewish woman to her mother-in-law. It worked there, too, mostly because the mother-in-law is too confused to think what to say next.

281 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:05:12pm

re: #275 albusteve

Manila must have been a nightmare...virtually destroyed and untold thousands of civilian casualties...I can't imagine

That's awful. He would've left out any really disturbing stuff when writing to the women back home, but I know he saw his share. I recently bought a book about WW2 becuase I know very little about it, but I've only had a chance to read the first couple of chapters. You've reminded me that I really need to pick it back up.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:05:58pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Said in a Jennifer Weiner novel by a white Jewish woman to her mother-in-law. It worked there, too, mostly because the mother-in-law is too confused to think what to say next.

A White, Jewish women said she had to stay Black?

I saw it , I think, as a line in a movie.

283 albusteve  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:07:43pm

"all I need to do is stay human and live"
albusteve

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:08:29pm

re: #282 ggt

A White, Jewish women said she had to stay Black?

I saw it , I think, as a line in a movie.

Yes. Her mother-in-law is on the phone yelling that they have to come to her house for the holidays, whereupon her DIL tells her "The only thing I have to do is be black and die."

MIL, who is also Jewish, has planned a giant "Baby's First Christmas" event, and is enraged that her son and his wife, on the grounds that they don't celebrate Christmas, were planning to go on vacation and get some sun instead.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:08:41pm

re: #281 CuriousLurker

That's awful. He would've left out any really disturbing stuff when writing to the women back home, but I know he saw his share. I recently bought a book about WW2 becuase I know very little about it, but I've only had a chance to read the first couple of chapters. You've reminded me that I really need to pick it back up.

A good book I recently listened to is The Book Thief. It's a shortish, young adult novel--written from the perspective of the German Children. The war was pretty awful for them too. It does great respect to the entire situation.

There are so many books written about The War. Clint Eastwood's recent movies are good perspective as well. Somethings are better digested as "fiction" than in dry non-fiction accounts.

The war was about so much more than figher-planes and such.

286 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:10:02pm

re: #283 albusteve

"all I need to do is stay human and live"
albusteve

What about Varek?

287 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:10:26pm

re: #285 ggt

A good book I recently listened to is The Book Thief. It's a shortish, young adult novel--written from the perspective of the German Children. The war was pretty awful for them too. It does great respect to the entire situation.

There are so many books written about The War. Clint Eastwood's recent movies are good perspective as well. Somethings are better digested as "fiction" than in dry non-fiction accounts.

The war was about so much more than figher-planes and such.

I'll have to put those on my wish lists. Thanks.

288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:11:02pm

The actual line is, "be black and die," but close enough.

Very existential, dynamic way of saying "make me". We have a lot of those.

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:11:13pm

re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Her mother-in-law is on the phone yelling that they have to come to her house for the holidays, whereupon her DIL tells her "The only thing I have to do is be black and die."

MIL, who is also Jewish, has planned a giant "Baby's First Christmas" event, and is enraged that her son and his wife, on the grounds that they don't celebrate Christmas, were planning to go on vacation and get some sun instead.

too funny

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:12:20pm

re: #288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The actual line is, "be black and die," but close enough.

Very existential, dynamic way of saying "make me". We have a lot of those.

Who you tellin'?

Yes, I know.

LOL

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:12:59pm

re: #285 ggt

A good book I recently listened to is The Book Thief. It's a shortish, young adult novel--written from the perspective of the German Children. The war was pretty awful for them too. It does great respect to the entire situation.

There are so many books written about The War. Clint Eastwood's recent movies are good perspective as well. Somethings are better digested as "fiction" than in dry non-fiction accounts.

The war was about so much more than figher-planes and such.

The Book Thief is a good novel, but it's far from shortish, the damn thing is over five hundred pages--which is a lot when you teach it to ninth graders, which I have done for two years running.

Everyone's favorite character is always the kid who's a runner, and, to his father's concern, a passionate Jesse Owens fan.

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:14:27pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

The Book Thief is a good novel, but it's far from shortish, the damn thing is over five hundred pages--which is a lot when you teach it to ninth graders, which I have done for two years running.

Everyone's favorite character is always the kid who's a runner, and, to his father's concern, a passionate Jesse Owens fan.

I listened to the audio version and it seemed short to me. Maybe I just enjoyed it that much. The audio was essential to get the proper context for "sau mensch".

LOL

293 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:14:45pm

I'm learning that Quinoa/Aramanth is quite popular in Indian food.
Curried Lamb and Amaranth Soup with Crimson Lentils
It's really easy to grow, once I harvest it I'll put up a page about it. Amazing stuff.

294 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:15:29pm

re: #278 000G

Michael Haneke's brilliant 2009 movie The White Ribbon

Trailer:

Youtube Video
295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:15:42pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

I'm learning that Quinoa/Aramanth is quite popular in Indian food.
Curried Lamb and Amaranth Soup with Crimson Lentils
It's really easy to grow, once I harvest it I'll put up a page about it. Amazing stuff.

Quinoa makes great pasta-but has to be cut with regular all-purpose. Too gritty otherwise.

296 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:15:45pm

re: #285 ggt

A good book I recently listened to is The Book Thief. It's a shortish, young adult novel--written from the perspective of the German Children. The war was pretty awful for them too. It does great respect to the entire situation.

Have you seen The White Ribbon (set right before WW1)? Messed up movie...one of my favorites.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:17:09pm

I have to feed the dogs AND THEN I am supposed to bathe Monster Puppy. I don't know if I have the energy. He has a show coming-up and has to be ready for the groomer.

Then he get's to go "on tour" for a WHOLE WEEK.

wonder if I'll miss him.

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:18:03pm

re: #285 ggt

A good book I recently listened to is The Book Thief. It's a shortish, young adult novel--written from the perspective of the German Children. The war was pretty awful for them too. It does great respect to the entire situation.

There are so many books written about The War. Clint Eastwood's recent movies are good perspective as well. Somethings are better digested as "fiction" than in dry non-fiction accounts.

The war was about so much more than figher-planes and such.

It's hard as heck to find, but "Die Brücke" [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
a 1959 West German film about a band of boys in the last days of the war (April 27, 1945) being assigned to defend a militarily worthless bridge from the advancing americans. Very harsh film that should be more widely known.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:18:22pm

re: #296 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Have you seen The White Ribbon (set right before WW1)? Messed up movie...one of my favorites.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

No, sounds too real for me.

I thoroughly enjoyed "Black Book" Subtitles and all.

300 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:19:41pm

re: #295 ggt

Quinoa makes great pasta-but has to be cut with regular all-purpose. Too gritty otherwise.

I was just looking at this: Rajgira Aloo Tikki
Fritters made with aramanth flour and potatoes. I'll have to bust our the seed grinder and make some flour to experiment with.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:19:52pm

Das Boot for all it's length is a good movie.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:20:11pm

Dogs are insisting on food.

BBL

303 zora  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:20:19pm

re: #285 ggt

A good book I recently listened to is The Book Thief. It's a shortish, young adult novel--written from the perspective of the German Children. The war was pretty awful for them too. It does great respect to the entire situation.

There are so many books written about The War. Clint Eastwood's recent movies are good perspective as well. Somethings are better digested as "fiction" than in dry non-fiction accounts.

The war was about so much more than figher-planes and such.

my kids loved this book. read it a few years ago.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:21:06pm

Ken Burn's series was a good non-fiction resource.

305 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:22:30pm

re: #296 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Have you seen The White Ribbon (set right before WW1)? Messed up movie...one of my favorites.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

lol

see 278 and 294.

One of my favorites, too.

306 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 3:47:39pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My dad had very little to say about his military service. Having to be at war AND desegregate a virulently anti-Black institution at the same time was probably a bit much.

It wasn't a losing battle.

One of the murals in a small deep-Alabama town:
Image: 06de2f32-0d88-4a4d-b87e-bdec56986bd0.jpg

Sherman Rose was a regular at our Habitat functions until his death a few years ago.

307 thecommodore  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 4:15:03pm

I'm seeing more allusions to armed insurrection and violence in the streets on right wing message boards and comment sections. At first I thought they were going to be the ones to fire the first shot if health care reform or some other aspect of Obama's "radical left wing agenda" passed. But they really think "The Left" (whatever that means) is actually going to strike first. They cite the SEIU non-beating of Kenneth Gladney (a Mr. Duggan if there ever was one) as an example (Breitbart and some of his bloggers actually advanced the meme that the White House was behind that non-attack!), as well as the "Civilian National Security Force" Obama wants to create (just as powerful as the US military), and even a private 6,000 man army the Health Care law supposedly created.

They didn't think there was anything crazy or wrong at all with what Sharron Angle said in re "2nd Amendment solutions," or the comments of Allen West's former chief of staff - "when ballots don't work, bullets will." These people really think liberalism is going to be imposed by brute force. At first it was amusing, but I don't know what to think now.

That's why it is crucial for all Democrats, liberals, and progressives to go vote next year, no matter how disappointed in Obama you may be. Too many Dems stayed home last year, and look who took over the House. If enough Dems stay home, President Rick Perry isn't as impossible as you might think.

*gets off soapbox* :)

308 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 4:32:12pm

re: #286 ggt

What about Varek?

I just need coffee.
;)

309 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:02:48pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

It wasn't a losing battle.

No it wasn't, because it's not over yet. It also preceded him by several generations.

310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:07:58pm

re: #307 thecommodore

These people really think liberalism is going to be imposed by brute force. At first it was amusing, but I don't know what to think now.

I do...still rubbing their butts from having it handed to them in the Civil War. Black Codes, immigration quotas, alien land laws, reservation systems, male-only suffrage, jobs for straights-only, and 4 generations of whites-first/conservatives-rule segregation apparently wasn't enough for them afterwards. And yeah, we eventually crammed that crap right back down their throats, too.

They have NEVER gotten over the government telling them they cannot own others in their pursuit of property, money, and things. N-e-v-e-r. /Schadenfreude

311 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:37:27pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

re: #309 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

DD, that mural just reminded me of something:

If either of you are interested, there was a (now deceased) photographer named Toni Frissell who took many wonderful photos of the Tuskeegee Airmen, along with other great and, in some cases, touching photos of black Americans that have a very intimate feel to them. For example, there's this one of an elderly man gently comforting a crying child.

Much of her work is available through the Library of Congress website in high resolution format suitable for printing. The majority are in the public domain, so they can be used pretty much without restriction.

Anyway, just throwing that out there in the hopes one of you will enjoy the images as much as I did.

312 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:43:37pm

re: #311 CuriousLurker

Thanks--great site. It doesn't mention WPA work, that seems like a natural for her.

313 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:48:47pm

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Thanks--great site. It doesn't mention WPA work, that seems like a natural for her.

What's WPA?

314 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:50:25pm

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Thanks--great site. It doesn't mention WPA work, that seems like a natural for her.

Her fashion shots are stunning, as is the Western stuff.

315 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 5:53:29pm

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Thanks--great site. It doesn't mention WPA work, that seems like a natural for her.

There's also this page:

'Patriotism, Courage, Discipline, Skill & Determination'
Tuskegee Airmen Honored at Great Hall Reception

316 sagehen  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:07:50pm

re: #313 CuriousLurker

What's WPA?

seriously?

During the Depression, instead of "extended unemployment benefits" Roosevelt came up with the Works Public Administration that invented a gazillion jobs for every possible kind of people -- sure there was construction workers doing the TVA and Hoover Dam, but there was also plenty of wilderness work and the arts.

If there's any national parks near you that have trails cut through the forest, or benches or lovely campsites... the WPA did that. The NYC subway stations have gorgeous mosaics on all the walls, done by the WPA. If you've ever read any of the Library of Congress oral histories of the Civil War, old black people remembering what slavery was like when they were children, the WPA did those interviews. All the famous photographs from the 30s, of bread lines or the dust bowl, those were WPA projects.

317 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:09:36pm

Works Progress Administration--provided Depression era work for artists and writers, among many others:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

318 dragonfire1981  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:17:04pm

What really bothers me about this is if some idiot shoots up a democratic fundraiser after hearing this, Breitbart will neither accept blame nor serve any jail time as a result.

319 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:18:55pm

re: #316 sagehen

seriously?

During the Depression, instead of "extended unemployment benefits" Roosevelt came up with the Works Public Administration that invented a gazillion jobs for every possible kind of people -- sure there was construction workers doing the TVA and Hoover Dam, but there was also plenty of wilderness work and the arts.

If there's any national parks near you that have trails cut through the forest, or benches or lovely campsites... the WPA did that. The NYC subway stations have gorgeous mosaics on all the walls, done by the WPA. If you've ever read any of the Library of Congress oral histories of the Civil War, old black people remembering what slavery was like when they were children, the WPA did those interviews. All the famous photographs from the 30s, of bread lines or the dust bowl, those were WPA projects.

Seriously. I'd heard of the program—my dad was significantly older than my mom and grew up during the Depression—but I didn't immediately associate it with the acronym or the subject at hand.

320 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:19:15pm

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Works Progress Administration--provided Depression era work for artists and writers, among many others:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks. ;)

321 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:20:01pm

re: #319 CuriousLurker

Seriously. I'd heard of the program—my dad was significantly older than my mom and grew up during the Depression—but I didn't immediately associate it with the acronym or the subject at hand.

Many great photographers, including Margaret Bourke-White IIRC.

322 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:22:45pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Many great photographers, including Margaret Bourke-White IIRC.

I love great photography, so I'll have to look into that. Thanks!

323 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:23:31pm

Dorothea Lange--ultimate WPA photograph.

Image: dor001.jpg

324 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 6:24:57pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Dorothea Lange--ultimate WPA photograph.

Image: dor001.jpg

That was the first photo that came to mind. :)

325 wheat-dogg  Sat, Sep 17, 2011 11:55:49pm

re: #118 ralphieboy

Japanese also the sentence at the end the verb puts. Yoda Japanese was, ne?

[I could make some lame jokes about Germans, Japanese and Absolute Power the Force, but you can fill in the blanks.]

326 wheat-dogg  Sun, Sep 18, 2011 12:09:54am

re: #259 Decatur Deb

I've still got my '60s student photo ID from UofL. I doubt anyone would give me a voter card on it.

UofL = University of Louisville?

327 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Sep 18, 2011 12:13:57am

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Works Progress Administration--provided Depression era work for artists and writers, among many others:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

New Deal archive, including things from the Theatre Project, Vaudeville, Blackface performance, many other Works Progress projects all over the country.

[Link: newdeal.feri.org...]

In other words, yes, we are from the Federal government and yes, we are here to cram paved roads and electricity infrastructure and sidewalks in front of your place of business right down your hick throats, get used to it.

328 boxhead  Sun, Sep 18, 2011 1:03:02am

I live in the ghetto.... Bring it Andy Bitchass....

damn, I really am disappointed by the statements made by people like him. Does he imagine that thinking people are low hang fruit? I think not....

329 AK-47%  Sun, Sep 18, 2011 1:56:07am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

In 30 years I saw a lot of virtues and vices in our military. Their one overriding virtue is that they will never, never, turn their weapons on the constitutionally-elected government.

This is a key point, and something that we have to remember against the background of the central imagery of the Tea Party: the original Tea party was a rebellion against a tyrannical government.

But the modern Tea party has come to equate our freely and constitutionally elected government with a tyrannical usurper. This is a leap of thinking (I do not call it logic) that scares me, as it opens the door for the very sort of excesses (i.e. "Second Amendment remedies") that Breivik, er, I mean Breitbart is advocating.

330 Stephen T.  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:38:59am

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Indeed. You hear it at least once a week, some voice popping up that the military is just looking for an excuse to rise up, stage a coup against Obama for his "unconstitutional actions," and (in every case) turn it over to the "right people."

Then I look at all the military coups in past history and wonder where they get these ideas. If a military is going to engage in treason, why would they turn around and turn over power to the very people who could have them executed for said treason?

There is one thing that depresses me. I have met U.S. military personnel ranging from E-1 to O-3 who have stated to me their personal desire to engage in Brietbart's (and others') civil war fantasy. If there are active servicemen and women who are willing to admit this to a mere civilian like myself, how is it their desire to commit treason hasn't reached the ears of superior officers?

I take comfort from the fact that those I've heard calling for a civil war are in the minority.


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