The new album by Sufjan Stevens is titled “The Age of Adz,” and it’s a gloriously weird, eccentric piece of music, full of odd bleepy electronic effects, a full symphony orchestra, and complex, surprising arrangements and lyrics. It may not be for everyone, but for me it’s the album of the year.
Here’s a live version of “Too Much,” recorded at the Sydney Opera House during Sydney Festival 2011.
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Alexzander Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:41:37pm |
One of my favorite albums of the year too.
I've actually created some choreography for a couple of the pieces.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:46:00pm |
re: #1 Alexzander
Did you finally get that venue you wanted for your dance cycle?
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Interesting Times Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:47:33pm |
Just came across the quote of the day week month year:
"I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one." - Ara Rubya
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:48:57pm |
Whoa, more than 1800 clicks on the tweeted link for Killgore's Breitbart post. No wonder he was frothing at the mouth all day yesterday.
His right wing followers were spewing Twitter insults at me all night long too.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:51:39pm |
re: #4 Charles
Whoa, more than 1800 clicks on the tweeted link for Killgore's Breitbart post. No wonder he was frothing at the mouth all day yesterday.
His right wing followers were spewing Twitter insults at me all night long too.
Gawker picked up the story but gave the link to some other blog. I'm kind of surprised Huffpoo and Dkos never picked it up at all. Obdicut's post was huge hit on reddit and facebook.
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Digital Display Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:53:47pm |
Well I'll say this truth...
Music taste is like Wine..We can all disagree and all be right at the same time..
I swear that was a 80's flash back...I need more feathered hair but I swear we just did the 80's
/yes I know all music recycles itself
What the heck was the name of that song I had on my new fangled answering machine?
Girl was singing, ' Do you hear me? Do you care?'
Then I would say, ' Of Course I care, Leave your name and number and I'll care you back'
I loved the 80's.. I had great hair
*wink*
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:56:02pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
My first sign of middle-age is that I don't really know how to navigate reddit.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 4:57:50pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
My first sign of middle-age is that I don't really know how to navigate reddit.
It's really hard to find something specific. I looked for the thread on reddit but never could find it, I just noticed the traffic on the LGF referrers pages.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:00:04pm |
Breitbart has been uncharacteristically quiet about the video. No claims that it was edited or taken out of context. I would usually expect him to mount a defense but I guess he just decided to avoid drawing attention to it.
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Alexzander Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:01:08pm |
I stopped visiting maybe 10 different sites after I found reddit. Did them all better.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:01:34pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Breitbart has been uncharacteristically quiet about the video. No claims that it was edited or taken out of context. I would usually expect him to mount a defense but I guess he just decided to avoid drawing attention to it.
Isn't he still fighting out the lawsuit with Shirley Sherrod?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:02:03pm |
re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Isn't he still fighting out the lawsuit with Shirley Sherrod?
I think so.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:03:57pm |
re: #11 Alexzander
I stopped visiting maybe 10 different sites after I found reddit. Did them all better.
I think Digg is no longer a social networking type site. I think the admins just lift 2 day old reddit content and put it on the front page. Reddit does suck for politics. Paulians, Annon, and the Julian Assange fan club. Just too stupid to bother with.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:03:58pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
I think so.
IIRC, he tried to have it thrown out on anti-SLAPP grounds, claiming that the whole lawsuit was aimed at violating his "free speech," and the judge threw that effort out.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:05:48pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
IIRC, he tried to have it thrown out on anti-SLAPP grounds, claiming that the whole lawsuit was aimed at violating his "free speech," and the judge threw that effort out.
I think he's also tied up in court with a couple Acorn employees too.
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Alexzander Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:07:37pm |
re: #14 Killgore Trout
I think Digg is no longer a social networking type site. I think the admins just lift 2 day old reddit content and put it on the front page. Reddit does suck for politics. Paulians, Annon, and the Julian Assange fan club. Just too stupid to bother with.
Yeah the biggest political orientation subreddits are r/libertarian at 37,000 or so, and r/anarchism at 20,000. Bizarro.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:11:30pm |
re: #17 Alexzander
Yeah the biggest political orientation subreddits are r/libertarian at 37,000 or so, and r/anarchism at 20,000. Bizarro.
I have seen a few posts about Ron Paul being a douche make it to the main page over the past few months. A lot of young people are kind of surprised to figure out he opposes equal rights and wants to outlaw abortions.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:15:54pm |
Okay, BBC's on my shit list for how the ended Sherlock. Grrr.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:16:00pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Heh. But thinking that it's okay for businesses to ban black people is the moderate position! I know because Rogue told me so.
That one isn't going to get old any time soon.
On the other side of the aisle, I met a silly person down in the East Village today who told me "Anonymous has occupied Wall Street!" Took me awhile to figure out he was talking about those protesters on Saturday. Apparently their goal is to be there every day. If they actually are, that might actually be effective. But I somehow doubt it.
It was funny, I met him as he was trying to get this Panamanian guy to shit-talk the US but the Panamanian guy was explaining that it was pretty much a mixed bag, US involvement in Panama, since Bolivar's grand vision for the united states of South and Central America fell apart and what was left was squabbling oligarchs. The pro-Anonymous dude was kind of astonished to hear the Panamanian lay out his argument: Central and South America's political class were the monied Spaniards who moved there to exploit the living shit out of it, never to make actual countries that were actually homes for people.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:18:26pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
I have seen a few posts about Ron Paul being a douche make it to the main page over the past few months. A lot of young people are kind of surprised to figure out he opposes equal rights and wants to outlaw abortions.
They really shouldn't be, especially after son Rand was arguing last year that businesses operating as "Whites Only" is constitutional, couching it in "individual rights." The Paulian creed is a "freedom for me, not for thee" brand of libertarianism, that is okay with government intervention, but only against those things they find "immoral" and only if it's the states doing it.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:19:33pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
It's really hard to find something specific. I looked for the thread on reddit but never could find it, I just noticed the traffic on the LGF referrers pages.
Reddit tip: you can find LGF articles by searching for:
site:littlegreenfootballs.com
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:26:00pm |
Wow. A recent food survey showed that liberals are more likely to prefer beer-- compared to conservatives preferring soda.
I'm guessing it's the teetotalling religious types. But apparently Joe Sixpack is a liberal.
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prairiefire Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:27:33pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:29:46pm |
Here's the reddit thread: "Ayn Rand is fun to read at 16, but embarrassing in its effects."
Very few comments. I was expecting more because it was throwing off a lot of traffic yesterday.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:31:56pm |
re: #22 Charles
Reddit tip: you can find LGF articles by searching for:
site:littlegreenfootballs.com
Did they reverse the ruling on the Amazon partnership thingy for California residents? I have some online shopping to do soon.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:33:11pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
Dis they reverse the ruling on the Amazon partnership thingy for California residents? I have some online shopping to do soon.
No word on that yet.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:33:45pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
Ugh. What an ugly commenting system they have over there.
I like this one:
The subtitle, "embarassing in its effects" is just the argument from intimidation. Don't agree with Ayn Rand or else some people might not like you! That kind of implication appears to be the real purpose of the article, as it is with a good half of the articles about Ayn Rand.
Yeah, that's not actually what I meant by the effects. It wasn't about people not liking me. I have no idea where he got that from.
The effects were simply retarding my intellectual development for a little while, as I attempted to force everything into the Randian viewpoint.
Kind of telling that he thought I was talking about social popularity, though.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:38:36pm |
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prairiefire Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:43:12pm |
re: #29 JasonA
Yeah. I loved it otherwise.
I liked it, too. I think I will be able to catch the new episodes when they show on Masterpiece Mystery on PBS.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:45:01pm |
re: #30 prairiefire
I liked it, too. I think I will be able to catch the new episodes when they show on Masterpiece Mystery on PBS.
Not coming until 2012. :(
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prairiefire Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:48:54pm |
Stephen Fry will play Mycroft in the Robert Downey film sequel.[Link: www.cinemablend.com...]
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:52:25pm |
re: #28 Obdicut
Ugh. What an ugly commenting system they have over there.
I like this one:
Yeah, that's not actually what I meant by the effects. It wasn't about people not liking me. I have no idea where he got that from.
The effects were simply retarding my intellectual development for a little while, as I attempted to force everything into the Randian viewpoint.
Kind of telling that he thought I was talking about social popularity, though.
I can only assume it's a natural defense mechanism of those who worship at the altar of Ayn, to assume that those who have strayed from the path did so out of some personal reason than any flaws in their ideology. I can't help but see the similarities between them and those who, even today, swear up and down that communism isn't flawed, it's the people implementing it that are. That, if the "right people" were running things, it would work just as foreseen.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:56:51pm |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 5:58:30pm |
re: #31 JasonA
Not coming until 2012. :(
Masterpiece has a new 'Inspector Lewis" in an hour. Looks like he's messing with Franciscans this time.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:01:29pm |
re: #20 Obdicut
Just got back from the ACLU Garden Party photo shoot. Very interesting spending some time with modern liberal (angry at this time) advocacy. Met Ed Asner, saw Gore Vidal speak. Dang I see the left is just as angry as the foam at the mouth right these days. Hardly a moderate to be found. D_L went as we went as a 2 person crew, myself to get video and she got all the best stills.
As much as I respect Gore Vidals positions on LGBT rights, I just could not agree that opposing legislation from our President is treason on the part of Congress or a Senator. That remark (met with huge applause) gave me pause.
I could not join the ACLU myself. I'm not that much a fan of the policies overall. But I'm happy to contribute in certain ways.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:01:49pm |
re: #35 Decatur Deb
Masterpiece has a new 'Inspector Lewis" in an hour. Looks like he's messing with Franciscans this time.
Francis of Assisi actually had a lot of really good ideas once you weed out all that crap about god.
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prairiefire Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:01:51pm |
re: #35 Decatur Deb
Masterpiece has a new 'Inspector Lewis" in an hour. Looks like he's messing with Franciscans this time.
I like that one, too. When I was growing up, I thought everyone watched Masterpiece on Sunday nights. Then I grew up and found I had to call me mum if I wanted to talk about a show.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:03:58pm |
re: #36 Rightwingconspirator
Just got back from the ACLU Garden Party photo shoot. Very interesting spending some time with modern liberal (angry at this time) advocacy. Met Ed Asner, saw Gore Vidal speak. Dang I see the left is just as angry as the foam at the mouth right these days. Hardly a moderate to be found. D_L went as we went as a 2 person crew, myself to get video and she got all the best stills.
As much as I respect Gore Vidals positions on LGBT rights, I just could not agree that opposing legislation from our President is treason on the part of Congress or a Senator. That remark (met with huge applause) gave me pause.
I could not join the ACLU myself. I'm not that much a fan of the policies overall. But I'm happy to contribute in certain ways.
Ed Asner and Gore Vidal are pretty big assholes. I've changed my mind on a lot of things over the past few years but the lefties still have a lot of douchebags.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:04:30pm |
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:05:33pm |
[crank]
Okay, here's a line from a help wanted ad from our local online job bank.
Starting pay range for this position is $13.2422 to $14.3229 per hour.
I guess my question is, do they pull these numbers out of their asses?
In the first number's case, we're talking slightly more than one-fifth of one cent per hour.
That's FOUR DOLLARS A YEAR.
I think someone's hitting the sauce during the contract negotiations.
[/crank]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:09:01pm |
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brainiac-dumdum Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:10:02pm |
I heart Sufjan Stevens very much a lot. He and Bjork should have a baby together.
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laZardo Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:10:19pm |
Guys, quick math conundrum:
cos 2(2x)=cos 4x
Just to be absolutely sure. No exponents in the equation.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:10:41pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
Francis of Assisi actually had a lot of really good ideas once you weed out all that crap about god.
We arrived at the same position. (Through 5 yrs in one of their seminaries in my case.)
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:11:32pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
If Obama had any campaign operatives there, the news in his campaign staff office will be dire. Just as the moderate GOP candidate is tanking, so is Obama among the far left and for the same reason. Too moderate.
I now think he would lose if the election were tomorrow, in a fight of the extremists sucking all the air out of the election. His base may well stay home, unless the GOP runs Bachmann.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:12:07pm |
re: #46 Rightwingconspirator
The far left is not Obama's base.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:12:08pm |
re: #41 BongCrodny
[crank]
Okay, here's a line from a help wanted ad from our local online job bank.
I guess my question is, do they pull these numbers out of their asses?
In the first number's case, we're talking slightly more than one-fifth of one cent per hour.
That's FOUR DOLLARS A YEAR.
I think someone's hitting the sauce during the contract negotiations.
[/crank]
You can't really expect bankers to be careful with decimals.
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:12:37pm |
And now a Radio Friendly Song (Definitely NSFW)
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:13:42pm |
re: #47 Obdicut
Is the ACLU really the far left? I had said that in comparison to myself.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:14:16pm |
re: #45 Decatur Deb
We arrived at the same position. (Through 5 yrs in one of their seminaries in my case.)
Heh. Are those burlap robes itchy? Do they come with a rope belt or do you have to bring your own?
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Jimmi the Grey Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:14:34pm |
re: #3 publicityStunted
Just came across the quote of the
dayweekmonthyear:
Upding'd and shared on my FB wall. Snoogins
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:15:12pm |
re: #48 Decatur Deb
You can't really expect bankers to be careful with decimals.
Whole numbers, too.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:15:30pm |
re: #50 Rightwingconspirator
Is the ACLU really the far left?
Depends what you mean by the ACLU. I'm a member of the ACLU. I also think Gore Vidal is a dick.
But anyway, you just said Obama is tanking among the far left, so I assumed that that was who you meant by his base.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:17:08pm |
re: #38 prairiefire
I like that one, too. When I was growing up, I thought everyone watched Masterpiece on Sunday nights. Then I grew up and found I had to call me mum if I wanted to talk about a show.
Like everything about Morse, from the old Jag to the show he did set in Vicenza, our 'home town'. Lewis and Hathaway are keeping it going well.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:17:30pm |
re: #54 Obdicut
Depends what you mean by the ACLU. I'm a member of the ACLU. I also think Gore Vidal is a dick.
But anyway, you just said Obama is tanking among the far left, so I assumed that that was who you meant by his base.
I meant he is really unpopular among those I saw and heard. And I regard the ACLU as far left in comparison to myself, not the Dems overall. I think of the far left as the Greens and Naderites. I had thought the ACLU membership to be more moderate than say the Green party. But I may have seen I was wrong there.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:19:51pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
Heh. Are those burlap robes itchy? Do they come with a rope belt or do you have to bring your own?
Kicked out Bailed Invited to leave the year before getting the robe stuff.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:21:42pm |
re: #56 Rightwingconspirator
I'm not sure why you're basing your idea of what the ACLU membership is by that event, though.
And again again, the simple left/right dynamic makes no sense and never has, anyway.
I also don't think that you're right at all in saying the left is just as angry as the right, either. I'm not sure what you're basing that on, either.
Is this all just based on going to that one ACLU event?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:25:49pm |
Daily Show is cleaning up at the Emmy Awards.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:28:32pm |
re: #58 Obdicut
Yes, of course I am sharing impressions from this one event. I presume it to be typical, not somehow an aberration. Should I presume this was terribly atypical?
I agree the left right thing is terribly damaging, makes no sense and yet is exactly what we actually have to deal with. I based my "just as angry" comment on the rhetoric I heard from the podium. And from some attendees. Note I say just as angry. Not as violent. Not as publicly confrontational. But in there among the true believers-Yes just as angry, given the damages wrought in this Great Depression, their term not mine.
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:30:33pm |
re: #60 Rightwingconspirator
Yes, of course I am sharing impressions from this one event. I presume it to be typical, not somehow an aberration. Should I presume this was terribly atypical?
It's best not to assume single incidents are typical, yeah. Especially when you're talking about an organization like the ACLU, with half a million members, who does immense amount of work every year.
Why not judge them on their record of legal work, or the information on their website? Why is shit that got said at a garden party the way you've chosen to decide what they're really all about?
I based my "just as angry" comment on the rhetoric I heard from the podium. And from some attendees. Note I say just as angry. Not as violent. Not as publicly confrontational. But in there among the true believers-Yes just as angry, given the damages wrought in this Great Depression, their term not mine.
Oh. Well, I lost my anger-measuring-scale, so I wouldn't know.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:31:29pm |
re: #60 Rightwingconspirator
Yes, of course I am sharing impressions from this one event. I presume it to be typical, not somehow an aberration. Should I presume this was terribly atypical?
I agree the left right thing is terribly damaging, makes no sense and yet is exactly what we actually have to deal with. I based my "just as angry" comment on the rhetoric I heard from the podium. And from some attendees. Note I say just as angry. Not as violent. Not as publicly confrontational. But in there among the true believers-Yes just as angry, given the damages wrought in this Great Depression, their term not mine.
That's why Huntsman, or even Romney would be a threat. Thank god for the Tea Parties.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:33:42pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
It also depends on the anger.
Is it based on a reality or a fantasy?
;)
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:39:07pm |
re: #36 Rightwingconspirator
As much as I respect Gore Vidals positions on LGBT rights, I just could not agree that opposing legislation from our President is treason on the part of Congress or a Senator. That remark (met with huge applause) gave me pause.
Filibustering the debt ceiling was unbelievably dickish though, and at least the far left types making the treason comments aren't establishment party leaders, like say Rick Perry.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:40:15pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
Why not judge them on their record of legal work, or the information on their website? Why is shit that got said at a garden party the way you've chosen to decide what they're really all about
Hang on I referenced what I saw as from the left, not the ACLU as an organization. I judge the ACLU on their policies and work, I got the impression they intended (not really a judgement) to make from their very own selected speakers words. Hey the rhetoric was beyond what either of us would like to have seen. We can both deal with it. Advocacy is in part a disease. Exaggeration and red meat rhetoric are what fundraisers run on.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:41:15pm |
re: #65 Rightwingconspirator
Hang on I referenced what I saw as from the left, not the ACLU as an organization. I judge the ACLU on their policies and work, I got the impression they intended (not really a judgement) to make from their very own selected speakers words. Hey the rhetoric was beyond what either of us would like to have seen. We can both deal with it. Advocacy is in part a disease. Exaggeration and red meat rhetoric are what fundraisers run on.
Did you get to ask about tasers/disarming the cops?
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Obdicut Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:41:26pm |
re: #65 Rightwingconspirator
I'm sorry, man, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. You're referencing the ACLU, the far left, and Obama's base, and you seem to be tying them all together through this one party you went to. I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.
I'm going to go watch inspector somebody with my wife.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:42:54pm |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Kicked outBailedInvited to leavethe year before getting the robe stuff.
It was probably for the best. Marcus Aurelius (stoic) and Zen works better for me anyways.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:44:33pm |
re: #67 Obdicut
Sorry my comments were so impenetrable for ya. Since we have significant overlap among the left, ACLU and Obamas base we have some in my commentary. And I take my impressions from the experiences I have the opportunity to absorb. Beats the heck out of second hand.
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darthstar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:46:55pm |
40 miles yesterday, 50 miles today...I'm pooped. Cheers.
And yes, we had all the Superfriends on the back of our jerseys (MS Ride in Rhonert Park, CA) Though 'best jersey' went to either Chevron or HP who simply had their company logos on their team jerseys...but we were the people's choice...at least most everyone we saw on the road told us that.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:48:45pm |
re: #70 darthstar
40 miles yesterday, 50 miles today...I'm pooped. Cheers.
Beer restores the carbs!
Cheers!
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:49:18pm |
re: #66 Decatur Deb
Did you get to ask about tasers/disarming the cops?
No way, I was there to do a job for them. It was a big busy event. Multiple ACLU chapters represented. What I did do was gain the contacts that give me a shot to put the question to the right people.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:49:42pm |
My husband and daughter are currently debating whether you would want to hang out at Costco or at a sporting goods store during the zombie apocalypse.
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darthstar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:50:07pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Beer restores the carbs!
Cheers!
Home now...showered. Waiting for the missus to dry her hair, then it's off to Pasta Moon for Manhattans and lasagne (the best lasagne, in my opinion, ever served by a restaurant)
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darthstar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:51:03pm |
re: #75 Floral Giraffe
I vote for Costco.
Yes, but if you want brains there you have to get three of them in a package.
/zombie
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:51:09pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
My husband and daughter are currently debating whether you would want to hang out at Costco or at a sporting goods store during the zombie apocalypse.
Don't know Costco, but you could arm a platoon at our Walmart.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:51:31pm |
re: #75 Floral Giraffe
I vote for Costco.
Yeah. I think he's being short-sighted. Sure, you would have all those nice metal bats, but the dehydrated camping food would get old pretty quick.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:51:31pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
My husband and daughter are currently debating whether you would want to hang out at Costco or at a sporting goods store during the zombie apocalypse.
I'll be at Quantico.
:P
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:51:31pm |
re: #74 darthstar
Well, now, You haven't been to Gina's!
[Link: ginaspizza.com...]
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darthstar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:53:22pm |
re: #80 Floral Giraffe
Well, now, You haven't been to Gina's!
[Link: ginaspizza.com...]
That looks like a chain. Pasta Moon makes a home style lasagne that takes up the whole plate and stands a good 3".
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:53:35pm |
re: #79 Varek Raith
I'll be at Quantico.
:P
Stick with the classics--Vincent Price holed up in a church in My Name is Legion.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:53:56pm |
re: #79 Varek Raith
I'll be at Quantico.
:P
Though, the nearby battlefield has some Civil War era cannons. Wonder if they work...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:54:24pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
My husband and daughter are currently debating whether you would want to hang out at Costco or at a sporting goods store during the zombie apocalypse.
Sporting goods. Need those guns and compound bows more than 5 pound cans of peanut butter.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:55:05pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Sporting goods. Need those guns and compound bows more than 5 pound cans of peanut butter.
You could use the peanut butter to attract bugs that would eat the zombies!
;)
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:55:46pm |
re: #64 goddamnedfrank
Filibustering the debt ceiling was unbelievably dickish though, and at least the far left types making the treason comments aren't establishment party leaders, like say Rick Perry.
Gore Vidal is not a high party official, but is influence is over more time and may well be of greater impact than say the DNC leadership. I for one am not going to underestimate the power of the pen in his hands.
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:56:32pm |
re: #73 EmmmieG
My husband and daughter are currently debating whether you would want to hang out at Costco or at a sporting goods store during the zombie apocalypse.
Neither. In a major outbreak, too many people would attempt to get to either one. They'll end up as snack bars.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 6:58:28pm |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Neither. In a major outbreak, too many people would attempt to get to either one. They'll end up as snack bars.
Ayep. Not to mention that even if you managed to find one that hadn't become a clusterfuck, you'd have a hard as hell time successfully barricading them against the hordes.
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:01:37pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ayep. Not to mention that even if you managed to find one that hadn't become a clusterfuck, you'd have a hard as hell time successfully barricading them against the hordes.
2 story building, block or destroy the stairs to the second level. Keep a ladder to get out of the second floor. Get yourself some cinder blocks, 25 lb weights, etc and some rope. If a zombie shows up, let gravity do your work, pull the weight back up, repeat as necessary.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:02:52pm |
re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
2 story building, block or destroy the stairs to the second level. Keep a ladder to get out of the second floor. Get yourself some cinder blocks, 25 lb weights, etc and some rope. If a zombie shows up, let gravity do your work, pull the weight back up, repeat as necessary.
What about the flies? That many dead zombies at the base of the stairs is going to attract a lot of flies.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:04:05pm |
re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
2 story building, block or destroy the stairs to the second level. Keep a ladder to get out of the second floor. Get yourself some cinder blocks, 25 lb weights, etc and some rope. If a zombie shows up, let gravity do your work, pull the weight back up, repeat as necessary.
You have fun with that.
I'll be in orbit.
Dropping somewhat larger weights.
;)
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:04:39pm |
And even if you succeed in securing a building that contains a stockpile of food, water, medicine, etc, you're still not out of the woods. Because you can be sure that there will survivors out there who covet what you're sitting on just as much as you do. And not all of them are going to be interested in peaceful coexistence or "live and let live."
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:06:02pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
Ed Asner and Gore Vidal are pretty big assholes. I've changed my mind on a lot of things over the past few years but the lefties still have a lot of douchebags.
There's plenty of douchebags in every part of the political spectrum...no one has a monopoly on that.
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:06:46pm |
re: #92 EmmmieG
What about the flies? That many dead zombies at the base of the stairs is going to attract a lot of flies.
Cleanup requirements are another issue. If you keep a low profile, you can avoid a horde long enough to make disposal runs. If you do get a horde, that's why you have an emergency escape plan.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:07:33pm |
re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And even if you succeed in securing a building that contains a stockpile of food, water, medicine, etc, you're still not out of the woods. Because you can be sure that there will survivors out there who covet what you're sitting on just as much as you do. And not all of them are going to be interested in peaceful coexistence or "live and let live."
If they were bright, they would see that survivors stand the best chance if they band together, make a pact with rules, and stick with it. (This is actually why governments form in the first place; if you have to spend all your time defending your home and family, you can't get anything else done.)
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:10:51pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
If they were bright, they would see that survivors stand the best chance if they band together, make a pact with rules, and stick with it. (This is actually why governments form in the first place; if you have to spend all your time defending your home and family, you can't get anything else done.)
"You can join us once we've established your love of Jesus and racial purity."
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:12:31pm |
AndrewBreitbart AndrewBreitbart
@
Your magical ponytail ignores leftist thuggery, hostage taking, racial name calling. Then lies about what I said on video. Jazzy!@Lizardoid
I'm pretty sure my quote was accurate.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:13:57pm |
re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"You can join us once we've established your love of Jesus and
racial purityreally good aim and/or ability to grow and preserve food."
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:18:29pm |
re: #100 EmmmieG
If I can do that well enough on my own, why do I need to join them?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:19:20pm |
re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If I can do that well enough on my own, why do I need to join them?
Because you need someone to stand guard while you're weeding, and someone to weed while you stand guard.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:19:32pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
If they were bright, they would see that survivors stand the best chance if they band together, make a pact with rules, and stick with it. (This is actually why governments form in the first place; if you have to spend all your time defending your home and family, you can't get anything else done.)
Historically, governments have tended to coalesce around those with the most power, whether that be in numbers or in firepower. You can be sure there will be more than a few dictators/warlords/oligarchs who decide that the fall of the US government means that they are now effectively in charge of any and all territory they can take and hold.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:20:26pm |
re: #75 Floral Giraffe
I vote for Costco.
Once the refrigeration fails Costco is going to smell pretty bad though.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:20:58pm |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
Once the refrigeration fails Costco is going to smell pretty bad though.
So...I will be stuffing down the Otis Spunkmeyer cookie dough before it rots.
The downside, again?
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Digital Display Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:22:15pm |
OK.. I'm confessing here tonight
I took the trash out hours ago and by the dumpster were boxes of College Books marked free.. I live a few blocks from OU so I figured this was a treasure trove...I started to pick through them but that is so embarrassing.. So I just threw all the boxes in the back seat...I have got so many effen cool books it's not funny..Ok.. This person was into Russian..So one side of the Book shelf has all these cool books about the Russian language..A whole series about the Oil lands by Ellis.. I mean a freaking gold mine at the dumpster ..
Now you guys know some day there will be a girl at my place looking at my bookshelf and she will say, I didn't know you knew Russian.. Well.. I'm still Studying...Nice books.. Here let me show you..
/ I'm already feeling guilty about this...:)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:23:15pm |
re: #106 HoosierHoops
OK.. I'm confessing here tonight
I took the trash out hours ago and by the dumpster were boxes of College Books marked free.. I live a few blocks from OU so I figured this was a treasure trove...I started to pick through them but that is so embarrassing.. So I just threw all the boxes in the back seat...I have got so many effen cool books it's not funny..Ok.. This person was into Russian..So one side of the Book shelf has all these cool books about the Russian language..A whole series about the Oil lands by Ellis.. I mean a freaking gold mine at the dumpster ..
Now you guys know some day there will be a girl at my place looking at my bookshelf and she will say, I didn't know you knew Russian.. Well.. I'm still Studying...Nice books.. Here let me show you..
/ I'm already feeling guilty about this...:)
Repeat after me: Spasiba. (Thank you.) Preevyet (Hi.)
There's your lesson for today.
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:23:39pm |
re: #102 EmmmieG
Because you need someone to stand guard while you're weeding, and someone to weed while you stand guard.
I got that covered already. Now I just need to keep those assholes in the next town from taking it. I'm thinking preemptive strike and making off with their women and livestock.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:28:26pm |
re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I got that covered already. Now I just need to keep those assholes in the next town from taking it. I'm thinking preemptive strike and making off with their women and livestock.
Well, yes, except that in the 20th century, livestock means a poodle, and the women have college degrees in business. (A useful thing right up until the zombie apocalypse hits.)
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:30:50pm |
re: #109 EmmmieG
Well, yes, except that in the 20th century, livestock means a poodle, and the women have college degrees in business. (A useful thing right up until the zombie apocalypse hits.)
Somehow, I don't think they'll be carted off for their college degrees or their brains...
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:30:51pm |
I love getting Andrew Breitbart worked up on Twitter.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:31:19pm |
re: #111 Charles
I love getting Andrew Breitbart worked up on Twitter.
Be careful, Charles. I hear he has the support of top men in the military!
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Digital Display Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:33:05pm |
re: #107 EmmmieG
Repeat after me: Spasiba. (Thank you.) Preevyet (Hi.)
There's your lesson for today.
I got so many cool books today..I'm sorry somebody just gave up and threw all their books away and moved back home...The whole Russian series in Black on White hard bound books...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:37:23pm |
re: #20 Obdicut
Heh. But thinking that it's okay for businesses to ban black people is the moderate position! I know because Rogue told me so.
That one isn't going to get old any time soon.
On the other side of the aisle, I met a silly person down in the East Village today who told me "Anonymous has occupied Wall Street!" Took me awhile to figure out he was talking about those protesters on Saturday. Apparently their goal is to be there every day. If they actually are, that might actually be effective. But I somehow doubt it.
It was funny, I met him as he was trying to get this Panamanian guy to shit-talk the US but the Panamanian guy was explaining that it was pretty much a mixed bag, US involvement in Panama, since Bolivar's grand vision for the united states of South and Central America fell apart and what was left was squabbling oligarchs. The pro-Anonymous dude was kind of astonished to hear the Panamanian lay out his argument: Central and South America's political class were the monied Spaniards who moved there to exploit the living shit out of it, never to make actual countries that were actually homes for people.
Many people don't actually understand the world, they just have a story they were taught. You see it on both sides of the aisle and it causes me no end of irritation.
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:38:15pm |
re: #112 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Be careful, Charles. I hear he has the support of top men in the military!
///
The Oaf Kreepers love him.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:40:18pm |
re: #111 Charles
Easily angered=easily manipulated. People like that can be played like an old radio. Just push the button.
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BishopX Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:43:01pm |
re: #114 Dark_Falcon
Many people don't actually understand the world, they just have a story they were taught. You see it on both sides of the aisle and it causes me no end of irritation.
No one understands the world. If you do then you're look at the picture of the world in your head and not the real thing.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:44:02pm |
re: #111 Charles
I love getting Andrew Breitbart worked up on Twitter.
I have refrained from poking him with the twitter stick until recently. I don't plan to make a habit of it, there has been some unpleasantness and I try to behave myself.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:52:37pm |
re: #117 BishopX
No one understands the world. If you do then you're look at the picture of the world in your head and not the real thing.
Yes, but its still possible to develop a view that corresponds to reality to a reasonable degree. Too many people refuse to make the effort to do this.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:52:45pm |
Hmm. When I build my zombie apocalypse fortress, families with young men learning brass instruments will be forbidden.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:55:29pm |
re: #119 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but its still possible to develop a view that corresponds to reality to a reasonable degree. Too many people refuse to make the effort to do this.
Future President Rick Perry for one.
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:56:37pm |
Breitbart still clinging to other people's guns and fantasies about left wing thuggery being beaten back by an army of patriots?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 7:58:55pm |
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:01:56pm |
re: #123 Dark_Falcon
Current President Barack Obama for another.
Really? Obama rejects science in favor of signs from God and magical thinking?
You may not like his policies, but the idea that he's divorced from reality in some fundamental way is absurd.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:04:52pm |
re: #122 BigPapa
Breitbart still clinging to other people's guns and fantasies about left wing thuggery being beaten back by an army of patriots?
It's of a piece with lots of violent right wing fantasies, which are largely fueled by their irrational fears of rapidly changing demographics leading to a nation where "white Christian" is no longer the norm.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:06:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:08:00pm |
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:08:07pm |
Now he's starting with the 'shut-in' stuff.
He's one step away from homosexual insults referencing bodily fluids. He won't go there since he knows it's a line even he can't cross.... but I'd not be surprised if he thought it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:08:45pm |
re: #127 Dark_Falcon
My name is not "Charlie".
If I guess your name, do I get to keep my first born? And the gold?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:09:45pm |
re: #127 Dark_Falcon
My name is not "Charlie".
It's a well established Palin reference, now answer the question.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:10:42pm |
OT: Obama gets criticized from all positions on the spectrum for not agreeing to Boehner's proposal of 800 bil in revenue increases and about 2.4 tril in spending cuts. But it seems to be a moot point. What chance in hell did Boehner have of getting 800 bil in tax hikes through his House caucus? As a matter of dogma, the party now opposes all tax increases; I seriously doubt Boehner could have got his members to vote for a deal with ANY tax hikes.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:12:46pm |
re: #127 Dark_Falcon
My name is not "Charlie".
You didn't get the Palin reference? It's from the first interview that exposed her as a moron, when she had to admit she couldn't even define the Bush Doctrine. She's still the queen of gop magical thinking, but Perry's right on her tail, so to speak.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:14:52pm |
"Your prose reeks of your reality" just became one of our random aphorisms.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:15:06pm |
re: #131 palomino
OT: Obama gets criticized from all positions on the spectrum for not agreeing to Boehner's proposal of 800 bil in revenue increases and about 2.4 tril in spending cuts. But it seems to be a moot point. What chance in hell did Boehner have of getting 800 bil in tax hikes through his House caucus? As a matter of dogma, the party now opposes all tax increases; I seriously doubt Boehner could have got his members to vote for a deal with ANY tax hikes.
Doesn't help him that Cantor is actively undermining his actions, whether to avoid a party uproar or to orchestrate a rise to the Speakership is anybody's guess. You can be sure that the Boehner will never totally agree to something with Obama, because Cantor will be in front of the cameras an hour later, declaring that the GOP doesn't agree to it and that it's DOA.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:16:40pm |
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laZardo Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:16:58pm |
re: #134 Charles
"Your prose reeks of your reality" just became one of our random aphorisms.
So if I refresh this window with LGF on it then I can see it up there on the rotating title? :D
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:17:44pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Doesn't help him that Cantor is actively undermining his actions, whether to avoid a party uproar or to orchestrate a rise to the Speakership is anybody's guess. You can be sure that the Boehner will never totally agree to something with Obama, because Cantor will be in front of the cameras an hour later, declaring that the GOP doesn't agree to it and that it's DOA.
I feel like Obama may have made a mistake in not taking that deal if it included 800 bil in revenue hikes. At the same time, I doubt that deal ever could have come to pass...it would have just been further embarassment for Boehner as his troops would have refused to vote for any deal with tax increases.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:17:55pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:18:42pm |
re: #132 palomino
You didn't get the Palin reference? It's from the first interview that exposed her as a moron, when she had to admit she couldn't even define the Bush Doctrine. She's still the queen of gop magical thinking, but Perry's right on her tail, so to speak.
I see. I had forgotten about that.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:19:18pm |
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Interesting Times Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:19:46pm |
re: #131 palomino
I seriously doubt Boehner could have got his members to vote for a deal with ANY tax hikes.
Wrong. They'd be perfectly happy with a tax hike on the middle class:
Now as Labor Day approaches, Republicans are making it plain that they will not support extending the payroll tax holiday that will be proposed again by President Obama. Never mind that they had earlier called for it and it is in and of itself a Republican idea. The AP got a headline right for a change:
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:19:47pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:21:34pm |
re: #138 palomino
I feel like Obama may have made a mistake in not taking that deal if it included 800 bil in revenue hikes. At the same time, I doubt that deal ever could have come to pass...it would have just been further embarassment for Boehner as his troops would have refused to vote for any deal with tax increases.
To be honest, Obama's mistake was thinking he could come to any sort of deal with the GOP that did not consist entirely of taking whatever they put forward and accepting it without question. The moment he started entertaining the idea that cuts were the biggest priority, he lost the battle.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:22:42pm |
re: #140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Isn't it Shirley?
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:22:45pm |
re: #141 Dark_Falcon
I see. I had forgotten about that.
It was her first deer in the headlights moment, soon to be surpassed by the Katie Couric interview, from which she never really recovered. Oh, how I wish she'd join the field, just to make the asylum complete. Something's deeply wrong in the party when moderates are afraid to run (Daniels, et al) or can't get any traction because they're deemed heretical (Huntsman).
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jaunte Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:23:00pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:23:32pm |
re: #139 BigPapa
What, how can this be? I've been told with great authority on more than one occasion that subsidies for renewable energy are a waste because they'll never be profitable, and that America's key to "energy independence" is even more subsidies and giveaways to oil and coal!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:23:47pm |
re: #145 BigPapa
All your aphorisms are belong to us.
Breitbart would surely be up for a game of Zero Wing. Though I'd say he's a negative number, not just a zero.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:24:26pm |
re: #150 SteelPH
Somebody set up us the Brietbart.
Move zig move zig you know what you're doing take off every zig.
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Winny Spencer Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:24:38pm |
re: #148 palomino
It was her first deer in the headlights moment, soon to be surpassed by the Katie Couric interview, from which she never really recovered. Oh, how I wish she'd join the field, just to make the asylum complete. Something's deeply wrong in the party when moderates are afraid to run (Daniels, et al) or can't get any traction because they're deemed heretical (Huntsman).
Huntsman is no more moderate than Mittens is and the latter is doing fairly well.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:27:17pm |
re: #154 Winny Spencer
Huntsman is no more moderate than Mittens is and the latter is doing fairly well.
Huntsman's become every much a sell-out as Romney, though he lacks even Mittens' cardboard charm. Watching the debate last week was sad, listening to him trying to use logic in front of an audience looking for talking points. He'd have been better off just waiting til '16, when he could have avoided being lumped in with the rest of the crazies.
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Interesting Times Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:27:56pm |
re: #154 Winny Spencer
Huntsman is no more moderate than Mittens is and the latter is doing fairly well.
Not true. Huntsman accepts the science re global warming, but Romney no longer does.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:28:21pm |
re: #146 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
To be honest, Obama's mistake was thinking he could come to any sort of deal with the GOP that did not consist entirely of taking whatever they put forward and accepting it without question. The moment he started entertaining the idea that cuts were the biggest priority, he lost the battle.
My problem is that having reached deals with the GOP, he is now moving to alter them. What else can you call his "jobs bill" or his ideas for significantly changing the tax code. The GOP made the deals with the understanding that those kinds of bills weren't going to be moved on till after the super-committee had reported. From where I stand, it looks like Obama is welching.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:28:22pm |
re: #143 publicityStunted
Wrong. They'd be perfectly happy with a tax hike on the middle class:
Yeah, but to the gop it doesn't count as an undesirable tax unless it affects the job "creators." This is the gop's line right now: that tax cuts/credits for the middle class don't do any good because they don't trickle down enough or create jobs.
Perry actually complained a couple weeks back about the "injustice" of the bottom half of earners not paying federal income taxes (despite all the other taxes they pay). But there's a good reason the bottom 50% of Americans don't pay fed income taxes: they control only 2% of the nation's overall wealth. You can't squeeze blood out of a stone.
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:29:46pm |
Huntsman making a reference to Nirvana, although cool, was the moment I realized he has no fucking idea of what happened to his party.
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Interesting Times Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:32:00pm |
re: #158 palomino
Yeah, but to the gop it doesn't count as an undesirable tax unless it affects the job "creators." This is the gop's line right now: that tax cuts/credits for the middle class don't do any good because they don't trickle down enough or create jobs.
Yeah, because in a recession driven by lack of demand, the one thing you want to do is give consumers even less money to spend.
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Digital Display Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:32:15pm |
re: #134 Charles
"Your prose reeks of your reality" just became one of our random aphorisms.
Hey Charles..I have a humble suggestion..You know the cool edit pencil you wrote? It only last for 2 minutes..That is so messed up.. What is time any way? Give us 15 minutes at least...:) I went to the kitchen..Then to the bathroom..OMG! I can't believe I misspelled that word! Oh No it's past 2 minutes! I'm so F*cked...I keep clicking but nothing works :)
So I think if you edit a post it should change the banner color to red so people will know they need to refresh the page to read the updates.. OK I'm kidding about that part..But I think 15 minutes is a fair amount a time to edit...Well at least in my case
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:33:59pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:35:00pm |
re: #157 Dark_Falcon
My problem is that having reached deals with the GOP, he is now moving to alter them. What else can you call his "jobs bill" or his ideas for significantly changing the tax code. The GOP made the deals with the understanding that those kinds of bills weren't going to be moved on till after the super-committee had reported. From where I stand, it looks like Obama is welching.
The Super Committee's a joke, especially when Kyl declared after the first meeting of it that if defense cuts are put forth as part of the final deal, he's walking off it. You can be sure that, whatever final conclusion it reaches, nobody will end up being happy.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:36:27pm |
re: #162 BigPapa
Junk food.
They mixed beer and Four Wheeling.
Arnold wasn't joking when he said, "I'll be back."
The T-Rex couldn't reach the "respawn" button with his itty bitty arms.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:37:10pm |
re: #161 HoosierHoops
You're just hosed.
Get used to it!
*smooch*
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:37:42pm |
re: #154 Winny Spencer
Huntsman is no more moderate than Mittens is and the latter is doing fairly well.
1) Mittens used to be a moderate, almost liberal. But he's spent the last 4 years reversing course on nearly every issue, including things he once strongly supported like gay rights, universal healthcare, abortion, gun control, immigration reform, etc. Now he tries to appear as conservative as Perry, et al. It just doesn't really work, because it seems phony.
2) Huntsman has staked out a position that puts him far to the left of the big names in the primaries, going so far as to admit to AGW and newfangled ideas like evolution. He's also a foreign policy realist and someone who seems willing to compromise (a dirty word in the perry/bachmann lexicon).
3) Mittens isn't really doing that well. He's had 4 years to get the gop to fall in love with him, and they're still ambivalent. Perry jumps in the race, and within a week, surges well past Mitt and the rest of the field. The base has found someone they can fall in love with in Perry. Won't ever happen for Mitt, despite 4 years of reversals and abject pandering.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:38:37pm |
re: #157 Dark_Falcon
My problem is that having reached deals with the GOP, he is now moving to alter them. What else can you call his "jobs bill" or his ideas for significantly changing the tax code. The GOP made the deals with the understanding that those kinds of bills weren't going to be moved on till after the super-committee had reported. From where I stand, it looks like Obama is welching.
Do you have a citation for that or is it something you just smoked up?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:39:02pm |
re: #162 BigPapa
Very good artistry there. It nicely echos the pictures drawn of dinosaurs up through the 50's-60's. Same sort of color tone as the paintings hanging in the Field Museum's Dinosaur hall in their Evolving Planet exhibit.
Creationists should not enter that exhibit, especially not if I'm there. The exhibit contains fossils of transitory species and has been known to cause Exploding Head Syndrome in creationists.
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:41:13pm |
I've been Stumbling lately. A good way to have your own customized search engine that sends you websites flagged by your own interests.
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BishopX Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:41:17pm |
re: #157 Dark_Falcon
I think it's complete bullshit to have the lawmaking ability of the entire federal government circumscribed by one committee of 12 people for 5 months. Any government action is going to have an effect the deficit talks. Passing funding for FEMA, cutting aid to the Palestinians as a result of the UN vote or fixing the post office situation will all alter the deficit talks. Why should Obama's legislative proposals by withheld for this period when the congress is still very much in session? Nowhere in any of the debt talks did Obama tell the republicans that he would stop governing until the super-committee delivers it's findings.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:41:24pm |
re: #159 BigPapa
He also likes Captain Beefheart, an obscure avant-garde rock act from the late 60's-70's that could easily be lumped in with everything "dirty and hippie." What he's thinking when he throws out these opinions I have no idea.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:41:43pm |
re: #168 goddamnedfrank
Do you have a citation for that or is it something you just smoked up?
It's based on my understanding of the deal and the commentary on it by Republican political figures. What is your understanding of the situation?
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:44:46pm |
re: #171 BishopX
I think it's complete bullshit to have the lawmaking ability of the entire federal government circumscribed by one committee of 12 people for 5 months. Any government action is going to have an effect the deficit talks. Passing funding FEMA, cutting aid to the Palestinians as a result of the UN vote or fixing the post office situation will all alter the deficit talks. Why should Obama's legislative proposals by withheld for this period when the congress is still very much in session? Nowhere in any of the debt talks did Obama tell the republicans that he would stop governing until the super-committee delivers it's findings.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:45:30pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
It's based on my understanding of the deal and the commentary on it by Republican political figures. What is your understanding of the situation?
That you're completely full of it and can't back up your assertion. Also, that you never answered my question as to how Obama's views don't correspond to reality, especially in comparison with Rick Perry.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:46:38pm |
Speaking of that UN resolution on Palestinian statehood, when the Obama administration rightly vetoes it, how will the American right spin that into "Obama hates Israel"?
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BishopX Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:48:06pm |
re: #176 palomino
By citing the fact that the vote happened at all, rather than having the US put a hellfire missile through Abbas's window due to his terroristic activities.
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Interesting Times Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:48:09pm |
re: #176 palomino
Speaking of that UN resolution on Palestinian statehood, when the Obama administration rightly vetoes it, how will the American right spin that into "Obama hates Israel"?
He insulted Netanyahu and his middle name's Hussein. Also too, creeping sharia.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:48:20pm |
Add my 174 and 176 together above, and that MIGHT make it coherent.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:49:28pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:49:41pm |
re: #176 palomino
Speaking of that UN resolution on Palestinian statehood, when the Obama administration rightly vetoes it, how will the American right spin that into "Obama hates Israel"?
"A real Israel loving President would have vetoed the motion with his butt." It's a variation on Obama's pathetic failure to strangle Osama bin Laden with his own beard.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:50:18pm |
re: #176 palomino
Speaking of that UN resolution on Palestinian statehood, when the Obama administration rightly vetoes it, how will the American right spin that into "Obama hates Israel"?
They won't. Those who are sane will say he has problems on this issue but did the right thing with the veto. Those who are not sane will say he only did it for electoral reasons (to prevent the loss of Jewish support for his reelection).
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:50:58pm |
re: #175 goddamnedfrank
That you're completely full of it and can't back up your assertion. Also, that you never answered my question as to how Obama's views don't correspond to reality, especially in comparison with Rick Perry.
Exactly, I wouldn't expect NJD or someone like that to step up their game, since they don't have one. But DF's Obama critiques have usually been in good faith and informed. He can do better.
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makeitstop Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:51:16pm |
re: #182 BishopX
Speaking of welching...
Beat me to it.
What say you, Dark? I think you might have been right on someone welching - but completely wrong as to exactly who was/is doing it.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:52:15pm |
Thanks to Breitbart for adding another 250 tweets tonight for my post about his civil war fantasies.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:53:30pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
Thanks to Breitbart for adding another 250 tweets tonight for my post about his civil war fantasies.
Throwing another hissy fit is he?
Heh.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:53:58pm |
re: #185 makeitstop
Beat me to it.
What say you, Dark? I think you might have been right on someone welching - but completely wrong as to exactly who was/is doing it.
We shall see. I must admit that I don't like this tactic. I'm with Senator McConnell on this matter. A deal is a deal and it must be honored.
"What is life without honor? Disgrace is worse than death!"
- Confederate Lt. General Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:54:53pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
Thanks to Breitbart for adding another 250 tweets tonight for my post about his civil war fantasies.
Most frequent words from those tweets, at a guess:
Ponytail
Shut-in
DERP!
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:55:43pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
Thanks to Breitbart for adding another 250 tweets tonight for my post about his civil war fantasies.
How about Perry/Breitbart 2012? It can be the Secession/Civil War ticket. Was a great idea 150 years ago, just might work again.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:56:08pm |
re: #189 Dark_Falcon
Most frequent words from those tweets, at a guess:
Ponytail
Shut-in
DERP!
Yeah???
Well...
YOU'RE A BISCUIT HEAD!
;)
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Digital Display Sun, Sep 18, 2011 8:57:37pm |
Well It's time to call it a night..Football is over.. Guess I'll crawl into bed and watch Sportscenter..Good Night..
So it's my birthday weds...I'm thinking about getting a room at a casino Tuesday after work and hang out with Winston for the night at Riverwind.. What the heck..We are stuck in Oklahoma.. Might as well have fun
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:02:15pm |
re: #194 goddamnedfrank
Creeping Sharia is my new band name.
It sounds like a vine. One you plant and then regret.
This is not a political comment.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:04:00pm |
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Kragar Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:06:59pm |
re: #194 goddamnedfrank
Creeping Sharia is my new band name.
They can play with my band, Black Robed Shadow Cabal
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:07:36pm |
re: #195 EmmmieG
It sounds like a vine. One you plant and then regret.
This is not a political comment.
Islam is like Kudzu!!!111
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:09:12pm |
Just finished an entire week of the NY Times Crossword. I can now die happy.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:11:34pm |
re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
They can play with my band, Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Don't use that name. The Sith have it trademarked, and you do not want to face a Sith in court. They never lose, since they can mind-trick the jury. If you're lucky, there may be one or two jurors able to resist, but Sith are also masters at using peremptory challenges to exclude the strong minded.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:16:23pm |
Man, I hate the wait for new DLCs. Especially when they release the trailer days ahead, so you're sitting there thinking up all the explanations for what you saw and hoping that it turns out as good as advertised. *Whimper*
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:16:48pm |
The Aphorism Eruption seems to have subsided. All's Quiet on the Twitter Front
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Kronocide Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:27:37pm |
Breitbart can't let the ponytail go, now his hair is on trial:
Guy complaining about ponytails appears to have seaweed glued to his scalp.
I believe that hair configuration is technically called a "skullet".
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:29:08pm |
re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Considering how Old World Blues turned out, I don't think we have to worry.
Though, where is the Divide, anyway?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:31:35pm |
re: #204 BigPapa
Breitbart can't let the ponytail go, now his hair is on trial:
Guy complaining about ponytails appears to have seaweed glued to his scalp.
I believe that hair configuration is technically called a "skullet".
H.L. Menken was right: Boob Baiting is fun.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:40:23pm |
re: #205 ProLifeLiberal
Considering how Old World Blues turned out, I don't think we have to worry.
Though, where is the Divide, anyway?
The current guess is somewhere in or near Death Valley.
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palomino Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:47:27pm |
re: #204 BigPapa
Breitbart can't let the ponytail go, now his hair is on trial:
Guy complaining about ponytails appears to have seaweed glued to his scalp.
I believe that hair configuration is technically called a "skullet".
WTF, Breitbart is fat and not exactly a looker...where does he get off sounding all Real Housewives in his critiques of other people's looks? Breitbart doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:53:31pm |
re: #205 ProLifeLiberal
Considering how Old World Blues turned out, I don't think we have to worry.
Though, where is the Divide, anyway?
PLL, I think you should know that Rodan has a thread and poll up on his "Diary of Dorkus" Stalker Site that basically says that if you really are a Muslim convert, then you're an Islamist. I know he's full of shit, but I thought you should know you're being fixated on.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:54:37pm |
Eveningn all!
I've had a FULL day and am t-i-r-e-d!
How are you-all?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Sep 18, 2011 9:59:30pm |
I've been pondering this post all day
"Justice Department survey confirms downward trend in violent crime - CNN.com"
Could it be that people are so hyper-aware of race and religion right now and the fact that many American's have gunned-up (meaning gun sales have skyrocketed since 2008), that people are really being more polite and LESS likely to resort to violence to resolve a conflict or emotional need?
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:00:27pm |
re: #209 Dark_Falcon
Hi to stalkers.
They haven't heard my rants against the Sauds, have they. :D
On Foreign Policy issues, I tend to take third roads alot. Often meaning I'm either
a) More Hardline (Hi Saudi)
b) Down the Middle (Many other things)
re: #207 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I have a gripe with this theory. There is a ruined city there.
No way in hell a city is in Death Valley. I know alot of this has come from Van Buren, so I'm hoping it's Boulder or something from there. Long shot, I know.
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:00:32pm |
re: #210 ggt
Eveningn all!
I've had a FULL day and am t-i-r-e-d!
How are you-all?
A little peeved that it seems that fall decided to blow in early and suddenly. We were having 80-90 degree weather for weeks, then in the course of a weekend, hit 60 and now aren't projected to get higher than the low 80s for at least the next week.
But hey, glad to know that global warming is a myth.///
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BishopX Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:01:21pm |
re: #211 ggt
I think it's a longer term trend... Violent crime has been dropping for almost 20 years across the nation...
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Targetpractice Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:03:09pm |
re: #212 ProLifeLiberal
I have a gripe with this theory. There is a ruined city there.
No way in hell a city is in Death Valley. I know alot of this has come from Van Buren, so I'm hoping it's Boulder or something from there. Long shot, I know.
Well, like I said, it's only a guess. Even now, months later, nobody has any real clue where the Sierra Madre is located. And Big Mt. could be located in one of at least three different mountains in or near the Mojave.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:03:42pm |
Meanwhile, in Germany...
Berlin election
Voters in the German capital of Berlin go to the polls for a state election, with current mayor Klaus Wowereit and his Social Democrats doing well.
The Pirate Party enters a state parliament for the first time while the Free Democrats achieved 2% of the vote.
Well, that's special.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:05:19pm |
re: #212 ProLifeLiberal
Hi to stalkers.
They haven't heard my rants against the Sauds, have they. :D
On Foreign Policy issues, I tend to take third roads alot. Often meaning I'm either
a) More Hardline (Hi Saudi)
b) Down the Middle (Many other things)
re: #207 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I have a gripe with this theory. There is a ruined city there.
No way in hell a city is in Death Valley. I know alot of this has come from Van Buren, so I'm hoping it's Boulder or something from there. Long shot, I know.
To Rodan, Islam = Evil. Hence a non-Muslim who becomes a Muslim becomes evil in his way of thinking. Your words past that point mean nothing to him. Sad, really.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:05:32pm |
re: #213 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
A little peeved that it seems that fall decided to blow in early and suddenly. We were having 80-90 degree weather for weeks, then in the course of a weekend, hit 60 and now aren't projected to get higher than the low 80s for at least the next week.
But hey, glad to know that global warming is a myth.///
yeah, I noticed that too. We didnt' seem to have a normal summer and all the sudden it's fall.
Kinda blows, but then I like the holiday season. Beginning with Halloween . . .
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:05:35pm |
re: #215 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's a good point.
Big MT is near the Nevada-California Border. That's about all I know. Also, that the mountain didn't always look like that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:06:16pm |
re: #214 BishopX
I think it's a longer term trend... Violent crime has been dropping for almost 20 years across the nation...
Let's see, Prozac came on the market in 1987? A little over 20 years ago.
Could it be the revolution in mental health treatment?
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BishopX Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:11:14pm |
re: #220 ggt
It could be prozac, it could be longer jail terms keeping dangerous criminals out of society, it could be abortion has been legal for almost 40 years, it could be lead gas was phased out in the mid eighties and the resulting decrease in brain damage gave it a push, it be gun control/lack of gun control, it might be that PC computers have kept more people at home and away from crime, it might be the endocrine disruptor leaching into the water messing with hormones... I don't really think anyone knows. They just choose a reason that matches their preconceived model of reality.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:18:17pm |
Here's something I just noticed about recognition of the NTC in Pakistan:
Pakistan: On 25 August the Libyan Embassy in Islamabad has raised the rebel flag above its buildings. On 8 September in an interview for local Pakistani newspaper The Express Tribune an official from Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that the Ministry will officially recognise the NTC as the sole representative of the Libyan people. He added also that before recognizing Pakistan will consult Saudi Arabia and other allies in Middle East.
Well, this shows collusion between the Saudis and Pakistan.
India and Bangladesh supported the NTC at the UN.
The nations that voted against switching recognition at the UN are:
Angola
Bolivia
Cuba
Ecuador
Equatorial Guinea
Kenya
Lesotho
Malawi
Namibia
Nicaragua
South Africa
Swaziland
Tanzania
Venezuela
Zambia
Zimbabwe
In addition, Uganda quashed a Pro-NTC demonstration, claiming worries about violence.
Countries that abstained are:
Algeria
Antigua and Barbuda
Cameroon
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Guyana
Indonesia
Mali
Mauritania
Nepal
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
Uruguay
The Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas has moved in lockstep to refuse to recognize.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Sep 18, 2011 10:19:17pm |
re: #221 BishopX
It could be prozac, it could be longer jail terms keeping dangerous criminals out of society, it could be abortion has been legal for almost 40 years, it could be lead gas was phased out in the mid eighties and the resulting decrease in brain damage gave it a push, it be gun control/lack of gun control, it might be that PC computers have kept more people at home and away from crime, it might be the endocrine disruptor leaching into the water messing with hormones... I don't really think anyone knows. They just choose a reason that matches their preconceived model of reality.
It think it is probably magnets . . .
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 19, 2011 3:08:30pm |
re: #188 Dark_Falcon
We shall see. I must admit that I don't like this tactic. I'm with Senator McConnell on this matter. A deal is a deal and it must be honored.
"What is life without honor? Disgrace is worse than death!"
- Confederate Lt. General Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson
You know, Jackson died after being shot by his own men when they thought he was a Yankee.....
///Not that anyone could draw some kind of comparison between a general who was mistaken by his own men and killed and a semi-moderate Republican in a time when the GOP is striving to elect the most radical people possible...
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