GOP Candidates Attack Obama on Palestinian Statehood Bid

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The Obama administration has promised to veto the Palestinian bid for statehood in the UN Security Council, but of course that doesn’t stop the loons running for the GOP nomination from attacking him anyway, with the usual right wing nonsense that Obama has changed the US stance toward Israel (he hasn’t): GOP Candidates Assail Obama on Israel.

“We would not be here today at this very precipice of such a dangerous move if the Obama policy in the Middle East wasn’t naive and arrogant, misguided and dangerous,” Perry said in a speech in New York. “The Obama policy of moral equivalency which gives equal standing to the grievances of Israelis and Palestinians, including the orchestrators of terrorism, is a very dangerous insult.”

In a statement before Perry spoke, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney also waded into the tense foreign policy dispute over Mideast policy. He called the jockeying at the United Nations this week “an unmitigated disaster.” He accused Obama’s administration of “repeated efforts over three years to throw Israel under the bus and undermine its negotiating position.”

Perry also criticized Obama’s stated goal that any negotiations should be based on the borders Israel had before a 1967 war that expanded the Jewish state. While the 1967 borders have been the basis for diplomatic negotiations, they have never been embraced before by a U.S. president. Perry called that stance “insulting and na�ve.”

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1 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:36:04am

even fresher threats. grand

2 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:36:42am
Perry also criticized Obama’s stated goal that any negotiations should be based on the borders Israel had before a 1967 war that expanded the Jewish state.

Oh for crap's sake. The Associated Press zombie meme that can't be killed!

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:36:51am

You mean to tell me that Republicans hate Obama? No!

4 Kragar  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:37:04am

I am less than enthusiastic about Perry's support of Israel, because its probably for the wrong reasons.

Perry's Theocratic Foreign Policy

Plus, he's a lying bastard, so there is that.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:38:41am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got lambasted here for pointing out that a lot of fundamentalist support for Israel has liitle to do with respect for Jews or Israel, it has to do with them needing Israel in order to precipitate Armageddon and being about the Second Coming...

Bring it on!!!

6 jaunte  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:39:27am

I guess Obama isn't going veto hard enough or for the right reasons.

7 Kragar  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:39:54am

re: #5 ralphieboy

I got lambasted here for pointing out that a lot of fundamentalist support for Israel has liitle to do with respect for Jews or Israel, it has to do with them needing Israel in order to precipitate Armageddon and being about the Second COming...

By who? The Wingnuts don't exactly do much to hide it.

8 Kragar  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:40:45am

re: #6 jaunte

I guess Obama isn't going veto hard enough or for the right reasons.

Maybe if he says the veto came from Jesus?

9 okonkolo  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:43:08am

Not this again. If basing negotiations on 1967 borders was such a radical break with past policy, why did Netanyahu publically sign off on a statement that very same thing in 2010? From the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs page

10 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:43:51am

You might think that the president who "threw Israel under the bus" would at least get some love from Palestinians, but...

In Palestinian eyes, U.S. president has become the bad guy

11 garhighway  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:46:14am

How long before someone reprints the Ten Reasons Obama hates Israel or whatever that stupid list was called?

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:47:37am

As long as they can sell us the meme that Anti-Semitism is anything short of unwavering and unquestioning support of Israeli policy, then they can keep getting away with it.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:48:36am

What more than they expect Obama to do here? A veto effectively kills the matter before the Security Council, and the General Assembly is a bunch of rabble rousers and carries little weight.

Would they prefer threatening the UN with withholding funding? Backing out of the UN altogether? As though that will improve the situation for Israel (the veto threat is one way the US keeps knocking down anti-Israel actions on a regular basis at the UNSC) so backing out of the UN would harm Israel's long term interests - if that's your primary issue, but it harms the US interests in the long term since it allows regimes unfavorable to the US to dominate the agenda.

The Administration needs to again restate that the peace process is a process between Palestinians and Israel and pronouncements by the UN are not a part of it - so decreed the Oslo Agreements. Heck, the Administration could further point out that the Palestinians aren't even a partner in peace for a 2-state solution based on their repeated statements in the past few weeks that anticipate a world without Israel, agitate towards an end of Israel, and that this is just another step towards delegitimizing a sovereign nation at the UN - hemming in Israel in ways that no other nation at the UN would ever allow.

14 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:54:04am

President Obama deserves the benefit of the doubt, based on his performance in office so far. One can doubt his methods on what he thinks will be succesful, but not his commitment to Israel. I think one mistake that ALL presidents make at the start of their engagement is a belief in the inherent goodness of mankind as it applies to the Arab-Muslim/Israeli dispute. But the more a POTUS deals with the players in the region, the more honorable one side looks and the more duplicitous the other begins to appear. Clinton learned this with Arafat. The fact of the matter is that we look at the mideast through our "western" lens, but the actual picture is much different.

15 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 10:57:25am

The 1967 borders are indefensible--that's why Israel lost the 1973 war.

16 jaunte  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:00:13am

Obama can't be credibly criticized by the right as being soft on Al-Qaeda, or friendly to dictators, or over-warm to Pakistan, China, Russia, or Cuba. This is the only chance any GOP candidate has to pretend he's not standing up sufficiently for friendly democratic nations.

17 Kragar  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:00:57am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

The 1967 borders are indefensible--that's why Israel lost the 1973 war.

???

The borders in '73 were out a lot further than '67.

18 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:01:48am

re: #5 ralphieboy

I got lambasted here for pointing out that a lot of fundamentalist support for Israel has liitle to do with respect for Jews or Israel, it has to do with them needing Israel in order to precipitate Armageddon and being about the Second Coming...

Bring it on!!!

That is untrue, and clearly a harmful generalization.

19 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:02:42am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

???

The borders in '73 were out a lot further than '67.

Which week?

20 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:02:44am

re: #18 Buck

That is untrue, and clearly a harmful generalization.

No, it's not untrue at all. It's a fact. Fundamentalist Christians support Isreal because the appearance of Israel is supposed to bring about the End Times in their mythology.

Fact. Deal with it.

21 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:03:16am

re: #14 _RememberTonyC

I think one mistake that ALL presidents make at the start of their engagement is a belief in the inherent goodness of mankind as it applies to the Arab-Muslim/Israeli dispute.

What do you mean by this?

22 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:03:18am

re: #10 bratwurst

You might think that the president who "threw Israel under the bus" would at least get some love from Palestinians, but...

In Palestinian eyes, U.S. president has become the bad guy

That the Palestinians want more is not proof that they didn't get something.

23 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:04:11am

re: #18 Buck

No it isn't, I had the same shit lobbed at me years back.

24 Kragar  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:04:41am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Which week?

Mid July.

25 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:05:02am

re: #18 Buck

That is untrue, and clearly a harmful generalization.

Kid yourself if you wanna, but it's neither untrue nor a generalization. They're not your friends.

26 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:05:35am

re: #18 Buck

That is untrue, and clearly a harmful generalization.

Huh? It's a harmful idea, shared by evangelists/2nd Comers. They're all over the place: Hagee, Robertson, etc.

Geebus man, srsly.

27 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:06:03am

re: #18 Buck

That is untrue, and clearly a harmful generalization.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

28 jaunte  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:06:33am

One example:

This is truly a sad day for Israel, but, unfortunately, it is just as sad for the United States. The reason for that is because God has promised to bring trouble upon those who bring trouble upon Israel (see Genesis 12:3). Based upon the president's speech, the U.S. should plan for much trouble ahead.

Fortunately, God will prevent Israeli leadership from falling into the trap of acquiescing to the president's insane plan. How do we know that? It is because the Bible tells us that, as part of the end-times treaty—the seven-year covenant that will begin the final seven years leading to the return of Christ (see Daniel 9:24-27; also see Apocalypse 2012: The Ticking of the End Times Clock—What Does the Bible Say? for a detailed explanation of this treaty)—Israel will be granted permission to rebuild the Jewish temple on the Temple Mount. We know that for at least three reasons...
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

29 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:06:54am

re: #20 Charles

No, it's not untrue at all. It's a fact. Fundamentalist Christians support Isreal because the appearance of Israel is supposed to bring about the End Times in their mythology.

Fact. Deal with it.

No it is not a fact that Perry, or Romney or Palin, or ......Support Israel for that reason only.

Can you find some Fundamentalist Christians who do? Sure. And I can find some Fundamentalist Muslims who will declare that all Jews come from apes and pigs. However it would be wrong to say that all are anti semites. (or terrorists, or unfaithful to the USA, or....)

30 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:08:37am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mid July.

I remember that--damn near got my Army ETS extended.

Wiki:

The June 19 Israeli cabinet decision did not include the Gaza Strip, and left open the possibility of Israel permanently acquiring parts of the West Bank. On June 25–27, Israel incorporated East Jerusalem together with areas of the West Bank to the north and south into Jerusalem's new municipal boundaries.

31 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:09:06am

re: #29 Buck

No it is not a fact that Perry, or Romney or Palin, or ...Support Israel for that reason only.

However, that was never the claim. The claim was that "a lot of fundamentalist support for Israel has little to do with respect for Jews or Israel, it has to do with them needing Israel in order to precipitate Armageddon and being about the Second Coming". And that is true.

32 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:09:10am

re: #29 Buck

No it is not a fact that Perry, or Romney or Palin, or ...Support Israel for that reason only.

Oh, you'll love my next post, then.

33 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:11:26am

re: #29 Buck

No it is not a fact that Perry, or Romney or Palin, or ...Support Israel for that reason only.

And Buck takes the escape pod.

.....a lot of fundamentalist support for Israel has liitle to do with respect for Jews or Israel, it has to do with them needing Israel in order to precipitate Armageddon and being about the Second Coming...

Not really the same thing.

34 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:11:55am

re: #31 000G

However, that was never the claim. The claim was that "a lot of fundamentalist support for Israel has little to do with respect for Jews or Israel, it has to do with them needing Israel in order to precipitate Armageddon and being about the Second Coming". And that is true.

No it is a generalization, and a harmful one at that. It is wrong to generalize about any religious group for the same reason.

35 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:12:35am

re: #21 SpaceJesus

What do you mean by this?

ir requires only a bit of thought on your part to figure it out .... think hard.

36 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:13:34am

re: #34 Buck

Check out the lovely graphic on this page.

Doesn't mean anything, of course.

///

37 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:14:33am

...a lot of followers of Islam are terrorists - Wrong, and a harmful generalization. Can I find examples who are? Yes. Does it make it true? No.

38 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:16:14am

Buck in Flames: a haiku

He repeats right wing rhetoric
repeated talking points thought tried and true
shallow reasoning, no argument fu

Buck, now that was immature. But at least I laughed.

39 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:16:14am

re: #36 wrenchwench

Check out the lovely graphic on this page.

Doesn't mean anything, of course.

///

Oh no.... you proved me wrong by finding an example of someone who made a page on the internet. How ever did you do that?

/////


Do you (personally) know right from wrong? Do you understand the damage hateful generalizations create?

40 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:17:18am

re: #34 Buck

No it is a generalization, and a harmful one at that. It is wrong to generalize about any religious group for the same reason.

It is a true and fair generalization of the Christian Zionism rampant in Christian fundamentalism in the US, dude. It's only "harmful" if you got fundamentalist skin in the game.

41 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:18:55am

re: #29 Buck

No it is not a fact that Perry, or Romney or Palin, or ...Support Israel for that reason only.

They're all tied in with people who do believe that.

Have any of them renounced those beliefs publicly?

42 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:19:17am

re: #38 BigPapa

ad hominem name calling.

43 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:19:53am

re: #39 Buck

Oh no... you proved me wrong by finding an example of someone who made a page on the internet. How ever did you do that?

///

Do you (personally) know right from wrong? Do you understand the damage hateful generalizations create?

Do you understand the damage that could be done, to the US and to Israel, by ignoring what people like Perry, Bachmann, and Chuck Smith are really intending by claiming to "support" Israel?

44 Buck  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:20:03am

re: #41 makeitstop

They're all tied in with people who do believe that.

Have any of them renounced those beliefs publicly?

Oh good, we get to play the "tied in with people" game again.

45 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:20:15am

re: #39 Buck

Do you (personally) know right from wrong? Do you understand the damage hateful generalizations create?

Generalizations can be an effective tool in rhetoric. This generalization is actually not hateful at all, whether correct or incorrect: many support Israel because of the Jew's role in the 2nd coming.

Unless you take it as ridicule, then I guess you could see it as hateful. But you can't get over the fact that it's true.

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:20:31am

re: #40 000G

It is a true and fair generalization of the Christian Zionism rampant in Christian fundamentalism in the US, dude. It's only "harmful" if you got fundamentalist skin in the game.

"Harmful". It's funny, 'cuz fundamentalists seem to be the ones most bent on causing harm.

47 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:21:53am

re: #42 Buck

ad hominem name calling.

I didn't actually call you any names there, it was a haiku. Ad hominem? Sure. But based in fact, and.... funny. At least I laughed.

48 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:22:59am

See you next door Buck ---->

49 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:23:46am

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

"Harmful". It's funny, 'cuz fundamentalists seem to be the ones most bent on causing harm.

Sh! It's G'd doing all the Apocalypse stuff, destroying the world 'n all that. True Christians are just setting the stage for him.

50 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 11:25:05am

re: #44 Buck

Oh good, we get to play the "tied in with people" game again.

Buck. Listen to me.

Look at who Perry has as advisors to his campaign.

Look at who Bachmann points to as her 'mentors.'

A lot of them believe what we're talking about here.

Have Perry or Palin or Bachmann said they don't share these beliefs, in no uncertain terms?

And BTW - does the phrase 'palling around with terrorists' ring a bell?

Your side demanded that Obama specifically and in no uncertain terms denounce Rev. Wright. He left Wright's church in response, right?

Where are the public denunciations of End Times beliefs from Perry or Bachmann? I'll tell ya where they are - they do not exist.

51 sliv_the_eli  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 12:18:21pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

The 1967 borders are indefensible--that's why Israel lost the 1973 war.

Deb, the 1967 borders being indefensible, together with the Arab world's perception that the rest of the world was abandoning Israel to the wolves (sound familiar?), are what led to the1967 and 1973 wars. However, Israel did not lose the 1973 war. If it had, there would be no Israel.
In fact, and thanks largely to the courage of Richard Nixon in ordering an emergency military airlift to provide Israel with badly needed replacement weapons, Israel won that war. At war's end on the Syrian front, the Israel Defense Forces had recaptured the portions of the Golan Heights and of Israel itself that the Syrian army had captured and advanced to within just over 30 miles of Damascus. On the Egyptian front, Israeli forces had landed on the west bank of the Suez Canal, cut off the entire Egypition 3rd Army in the Sinai Peninsula, laid siege to Suez and advance to within approximately 40-45 miles of Cairo.

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 12:57:18pm

Obama could end up being the strongest supporter of Israel of any president and you know what, they'd still bitch at him because that's what they do.

53 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:02:07pm

re: #51 sliv_the_eli

That was snark--I've taken up Walter's Cloak of Invisible Tags.

54 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:05:15pm

re: #29 Buck

No it is not a fact that Perry, or Romney or Palin, or ...Support Israel for that reason only.

Can you find some Fundamentalist Christians who do? Sure. And I can find some Fundamentalist Muslims who will declare that all Jews come from apes and pigs. However it would be wrong to say that all are anti semites. (or terrorists, or unfaithful to the USA, or...)

I wouldn't lump Romney in with Perry or Palin as one who believes in Christian Zionism, because I've seen no indication that he does. However, it seems that almost the whole GOP field is playing to the fundamentalists (who a great many of them DO subscribe to CZ) for votes, whether they personally believe in it or not from what I can see.

Cynical opportunism at best, extremely hazardous to America's political health at worst.

55 sliv_the_eli  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:23:05pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Shame on me for falling for it.

That said, it is still kind of fun to remind any who think that Israel is on the verge of defeat happened the last couple of times its Arab enemies grew so bold.

56 sliv_the_eli  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:35:34pm

re: #54 talon_262

I wouldn't lump Romney in with Perry or Palin as one who believes in Christian Zionism, because I've seen no indication that he does. However, it seems that almost the whole GOP field is playing to the fundamentalists (who a great many of them DO subscribe to CZ) for votes, whether they personally believe in it or not from what I can see.

Cynical opportunism at best, extremely hazardous to America's political health at worst.

I'm not sure I agree with that last statement. For as long as I have been politically aware (30 some-odd years at this point), Democrats running for their party's nomination have had to cater to their liberal wing and Republicans seeking their parties' nomination have had to cater to their conservative wing. In the genereal election, however, it has generally been the person who successfully gains the trust of the center who wins. That is largely what brought about the victories of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush in recent decades, and, during the same general period, the nominations and then defeat of Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Al Gore and Bob Dole. President Obama, too, holds that title because he was able to energize the Dems' left wing in the primaries and the center/independents in the general election. There are numerous historical examples I can cite, as well (i.e., Nixon over McGovern).

Rather than signal something dangerous to our politics, this scenario is as old as political parties in our republic and is arguably a key reason why our system generally functions as well as it does. At the very least is is why, as the late Winston Churchill might have said, our system is the very worst......except for all the others that have been tried.

57 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:06:02pm

re: #49 000G

Sh! It's G'd doing all the Apocalypse stuff, destroying the world 'n all that. True Christians are just setting the stage for him.

Just got a FB message from an associate about supporting Israel because Iran and Russia are Gog and Magog and BTW it's time for me to come to the altar because End Times as per LaHaye's reading of John's Apocalypse...

...and very specifically the version he promulgates, because it's "literal" in that particular way that actually isn't at all literal and is a cut-and-paste of OT/NT prophecy plus treating annotations by Darby as canon plus secret-knowledge numerology plus revelatory insights by "prophecy scholars"...

...are on the way. And he's very, very excited to be Raptured. It's telling that he was willing to debate me about whether Jesus would approve of his mental glossing-over of the suffering and death inherent in the Tribulation, but un-friended me after I pointed out the "Left Behind" is not a profound record of prophecy playing out, and actually plays fast and loose with the material it claims to cleave so close to.

58 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 20, 2011 7:20:27pm

re: #35 _RememberTonyC

You made the comment, now elaborate.


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