From Politico: Bill Clinton scorches GOP field on climate change.
At Fox Nation, this is transmuted into talking point instructions for the right wing base: Impeached President Says Global Warming Deniers Embarrass America.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:36:01pm |
Off-topic:
Well, unless you consider the topic to be rightwing extremism:
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Two funny developments on the climate change front:
1) Anthony Watts reports breathlessly on yet another study that drives the final nail into the coffin of the AGW cabal.
Ooops. Looks like Anthony was completely confused about the findings of the study - as was pointed out to him in the comments by the author of the study and to his credit, even Roy Spencer. Watts had to go back and re-write the post headline.
[Link: wattsupwiththat.com...]
2) Watts has been breathlessly posting about an erroneous report in the Times Word Atlas about the rate of ice melting in Greenland. Anthony is on this - he called it "Atlasgate," and asks deep, deep questions:
Makes you wonder though, was this a faulty interpretation of existing NSIDC data by the Times, or was it something else?
Why, it was obvious, wasn't it? This was part of the Marxist plot to fool the unsuspecting public into believing the "AGW fraud," and those Marxist scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center are trying to pull yet another fast one. Many of Anthony's commenters, like Anthony, are not to be fooled.
Interstellar Bill says:
September 19, 2011 at 2:56 pmAs do all uber-Lefties, the Warmistas double-down on their lies when called out on them.
Perhaps copies of the bogus Atlas will become collector’s items, souvenirs of the Global Warming Hoax. “Look children, at how crazy they were back then, just as the Great Cold was ramping up.”
You know, the librul media is in cohoots with the "fraud scientists." Only Anthony and his fellow "skeptics" can save us all from disaster.
Oops. Turns out that the Times Atlas failed to accurately portray the information given to them by climate scientists.
OK, so it wasn't the scientists themselves that tried to pull the wool over eyes - it was just that librul media acting on its own.
Oops.
The humiliating climbdown for HarperCollins – part of Rupert Murdoch’s publishing empire – came after key sources of data on the Greenland ice denied that their research, cited by the Times Atlas, warranted the claims.
So now we find out the truth. Rupert Murdoch is actually a super-sekrit sleeper double-agent. He's actually the leader of the AGW-cabal!
Look under the beds!!! The co-conspirators are everywhere!!
No one can be trusted!!11!!!!!11!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!
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erik_t Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:37:51pm |
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't really understand the connection between Fox News and Fox Nation, but isn't the latter something of a public forum? Isn't it a little disingenuous to call a post there a 'Fox News headline', popular though it may be?
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Kragar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:38:11pm |
Why discuss the pressing matters at hand when we can drag up a decade old incident and ignore the whole thing?
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Bulworth Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:38:16pm |
Is Fox Nation the "fair" or the "balanced" part of Faux News?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:38:26pm |
"impeached" POTUS.
Now that is yellow journalism at it's worst.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:38:31pm |
re: #2 erik_t
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't really understand the connection between Fox News and Fox Nation, but isn't the latter something of a public forum? Isn't it a little disingenuous to call a post there a 'Fox News headline', popular though it may be?
No. Fox Nation is part of Fox News. It's in the navigation on every page.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:38:43pm |
re: #1 Talking Point Detective
stuff like this is inter-office....has little or no effect on the gen pop, the voters that need to be convinced there is a problem
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:39:59pm |
And these headlines are not submitted by users, they're written by Fox News employees.
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erik_t Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:40:44pm |
re: #6 Charles
No. Fox Nation is part of Fox News. It's in the navigation on every page.
So while a lot of content is presumably user-generated, it must be promoted (or wholly written) by an official representative of News Corp. Do I have that right?
/edit: never mind, see #8
//edit rocks!
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Bulworth Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:41:01pm |
Faux News: Fair and Balanced
Critic: What about Hannity, O'Reilly, Huckleby, etc?
Faux News: Fair and Balanced only applies to our straight news broadcasts
Critic: And when are your straight news broadcasts?
Faux News: We don't have any straight news broadcasts.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:41:31pm |
"Objection, your honor."
"Sustained. If he was acquitted, the court must assume he was not guilty."
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:42:04pm |
re: #9 erik_t
So while a lot of content is presumably user-generated, it must be promoted (or wholly written) by an official representative of News Corp. Do I have that right?
Fox news owns it...splitting hairs doesn't change that
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:42:19pm |
re: #9 erik_t
So while a lot of content is presumably user-generated, it must be promoted (or wholly written) by an official representative of News Corp. Do I have that right?
/edit: never mind, see #8
//edit rocks!
None of the content is user-generated -- just the comments. All the posts are created by whoever is doing this at Fox News.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:43:22pm |
Well if you can't attack the truth, attack the man saying the truth. Fox are professional liars, and they are supported and fed lies about AGW by whole fossil fuel funded "think tanks" of liars like Heartland and Cato to name a few.
The projection and smug bitterness of astroturfers and propagandists gets old.
The truth is, the actual truth is that many other nations respect science and will start acting for their own preservation in the face of this grave threat. The GOP is a national disgrace in this and many other matters. Other nations will come to resent the US for destroying the same planet they live on too.
The truth is that energy efficiency is cheaper than burning more. This is fact borne out by hard economic analysis. By clinging to keep things status quo the GOP parasite just insures it can drain even more money into its corporate masters. Money that need not be spent.
Here is a great video summary of that from Peter Sinclair.
This is real math and boring economics. If you follow it through to its natural conclusion, we clearly see the GOP clearly diong its best to suck yet more of your money away not only at the cost to your wallet, but to the cost of national security and the health and well being of all Americans.
I am not even getting into the many billions of deaths that these GOP actions will help bring about. On that score alone the GOP are much worse than a national disgrace.
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erik_t Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:43:33pm |
I'm not often proudly ignorant, but I was willing to make an exception for Fox Nation. Thanks for setting me straight.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:43:51pm |
re: #11 C1nnabar
"Objection, your honor."
"Sustained." If he was acquitted, the court must assume he was not guilty."
If you're gonna object do it with some style...
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:46:17pm |
Peter Sinclair on Atlasgate.
Again, turning a 'goof' or mistake into a conspiracy. Mindlessly mendacious moronity.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:46:40pm |
re: #7 albusteve
I'm not so sure about that. The disinformation promulgated by extremists like Watts (he's very rightwing, btw), does have a notable impact. And the leading Republican Party candidate is part and parcel with the misleading rhetoric which is promulgated by people like Watts. Watts has an impact - and no wishful thinking on anyone's part will diminish that impact.
Some 60% of the respondents in a recent George Mason poll don't realize that the vast majority of climate scientists accept the basic theory of AGW.
There's a reason that so many people don't know the reality of the situation - and Fox News and Anthony Watts are linked together in promoting mis-information.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:47:02pm |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
If you're gonna object do it with some style...
Or Tap Dance around to distract the jury.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:48:46pm |
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:51:42pm |
The irony is delicious:
The actual 'error' is choosing as green the topography representation, so that green areas can be ice covered up to 500m! Doh. Not really an error, just not really smart.
But Harper Collins is owned by NewsCorp.
And the people who pointed out the 'error' if you can call it that? Climate Scientists. The ones who are working in some cabal to push climate change on us.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:52:37pm |
re: #18 Talking Point Detective
I'm not so sure about that. The disinformation promulgated by extremists like Watts (he's very rightwing, btw), does have a notable impact. And the leading Republican Party candidate is part and parcel with the misleading rhetoric which is promulgated by people like Watts. Watts has an impact - and no wishful thinking on anyone's part will diminish that impact.
Some 60% of the respondents in a recent George Mason poll don't realize that the vast majority of climate scientists accept the basic theory of AGW.
There's a reason that so many people don't know the reality of the situation - and Fox News and Anthony Watts are linked together in promoting mis-information.
here's the results of my poll....the American voters have their heads up their ass and even if they accept AGW it's less important to them than what's on tv....AGW has an enormous uphill PR battle and it won't be won with obscure scientific publications....Joe Blow doesn't give a crap who Anthony Watts is
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:55:12pm |
re: #22 albusteve
here's the results of my poll...the American voters have their heads up their ass and even if they accept AGW it's less important to them than what's on tv...AGW has an enormous uphill PR battle and it won't be won with obscure scientific publications...Joe Blow doesn't give a crap who Anthony Watts is
So a major network needs to be tempted/forced into fielding:
"Dancing With the Scientists"
"Survivor: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution"
etc. etc.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:55:53pm |
re: #22 albusteve
Watts is a failed weather man from Fox and a very loud shill for Fox on these matters. All too many average shmos listen to his many lies.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:56:14pm |
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Sep 20, 2011 1:59:43pm |
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:00:16pm |
re: #22 albusteve
here's the results of my poll...the American voters have their heads up their ass and even if they accept AGW it's less important to them than what's on tv...AGW has an enormous uphill PR battle and it won't be won with obscure scientific publications...Joe Blow doesn't give a crap who Anthony Watts is
Watts is a regular figure on Fox News - just like his buddy Joe Bastardi. These are the people who lay cover for powerful politicians like Perry who are campaigning on a anti-librul-scientists platform.
Perhaps ignoring these assholes is your MO - but the reality is that they have an impact. The notion that they don't is a counterfactual. If you don't like seeing their mis-information noted, feel free to not read my posts.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:01:08pm |
re: #19 ggt
Or Tap Dance around to distract the jury.
You DARE trick me into watching even a second of that?
Commence to ruing.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:02:04pm |
re: #27 Talking Point Detective
If you don't like seeing their mis-information noted, feel free to not read my posts.
Thats not zacccly what Albusteve said
In fact, it's not at ALL what he said
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:02:40pm |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You DARE trick me into watching even a second of that?
Commence to ruing.
It's a great scene --and a perfect example of politics. IMHO.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:03:49pm |
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:04:17pm |
re: #29 sattv4u2
If you don't like seeing their mis-information noted, feel free to not read my posts.
Thats not zacccly what Albusteve said
In fact, it's not at ALL what he said
Right. He said that Watt's impact is negligible. He was wrong. Watts is not some "obscure scientific publication."
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:05:06pm |
re: #32 Talking Point Detective
Right. He said that Watt's impact is negligible. He was wrong. Watts is not some "obscure scientific publication."
He said people are more interested in who's on American Dancing With Dollars
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:05:34pm |
Here is another great scene.
Freaking out. Haven't found the right situation to use it tho.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:05:52pm |
re: #27 Talking Point Detective
Watts is a regular figure on Fox News - just like his buddy Joe Bastardi. These are the people who lay cover for powerful politicians like Perry who are campaigning on a anti-librul-scientists platform.
Perhaps ignoring these assholes is your MO - but the reality is that they have an impact. The notion that they don't is a counterfactual. If you don't like seeing their mis-information noted, feel free to not read my posts.
AGW is a global event...Fox droolers that listen to Watts are a small number in comparison to those that support the science worls wide....Watts is hardly the biggest problem and certainly not part of any solution....the problem is political in nature, transcending a bunch of devout deniers...your post is fine, it just has little effect....you can't explain to a steer where the water is, you lead them there by brute force
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:07:42pm |
"Impeached President"??? Holy fuck, they aren't even pretending anymore.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:07:55pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:09:01pm |
re: #36 darthstar
"Impeached President"??? Holy fuck, they aren't even pretending anymore.
I know!
What a croc of shit.
So, now, reporting that having someone point the finger at you and say something bad is responsible journalism?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:09:07pm |
re: #37 ggt
but they are not fighting over the mud pit.
Wait awhile
Most mud pits start drying up after some time!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:09:15pm |
whenever Fox Nation speaks of Newt Gingrich, it's
"Svelte GOP Stunner Newt Gingrich...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:11:00pm |
re: #40 WindUpBird
whenever Fox Nation speaks of Newt Gingrich, it's
"Svelte GOP Stunner Newt Gingrich...
and his Tiffany jewels...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:11:02pm |
re: #36 darthstar
"Impeached President"??? Holy fuck, they aren't even pretending anymore.
iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for
President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998,
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:11:02pm |
I have to go take care of Monster Puppy for a while.
Have a great afternoon all!
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:12:10pm |
re: #35 albusteve
AGW is a global event...Fox droolers that listen to Watts are a small number in comparison to those that support the science worls wide...Watts is hardly the biggest problem and certainly not part of any solution...the problem is political in nature, transcending a bunch of devout deniers...your post is fine, it just has little effect...you can't explain to a steer where the water is, you lead them there by brute force
Sure. A short-term focus on people on what matters to them day-to-day makes it an uphill climb for them to take seriously a problem that will take years, decades, centuries to fully unfold.
But simply ridiculing the intelligence of voters, IMO, is not particularly relevant. Once again, these promoters of mis-information have a very real impact. There are hard-core "deniers' out there that couldn't care less about the science. But large %'s of the American public don't even know the degree to which their is widespread agreement amongst scientists - and there's a reason for that. That makes an uphill battle that much more difficult.
One reason for the lack of awareness is the "false-balance" reporting we see in non-rightwing mainstream media. But the impact of rightwing mainstream media, like Fox, Limbaugh, et al is significant. And Watts is a big part of that w.r.t climate change.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:13:38pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
It's still a shitty way to treat a president who left office with a 64% approval rating and who has, since leaving office, been one of our most respected and successful ambassadors to the world.
Even you can't defend this Fox headline as acceptable. What if someone said, "Former Cocaine Snorting President Who Left Obama a Shitstain of an Economy" to refer to Bush...wouldn't that be a little inappropriate?
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:15:33pm |
re: #44 Talking Point Detective
Sure. A short-term focus on people on what matters to them day-to-day makes it an uphill climb for them to take seriously a problem that will take years, decades, centuries to fully unfold.
But simply ridiculing the intelligence of voters, IMO, is not particularly relevant. Once again, these promoters of mis-information have a very real impact. There are hard-core "deniers' out there that couldn't care less about the science. But large %'s of the American public don't even know the degree to which their is widespread agreement amongst scientists - and there's a reason for that. That makes an uphill battle that much more difficult.
One reason for the lack of awareness is the "false-balance" reporting we see in non-rightwing mainstream media. But the impact of rightwing mainstream media, like Fox, Limbaugh, et al is significant. And Watts is a big part of that w.r.t climate change.
no shit...what do you suggest otherwise?...I've asked this question a hundred times...trashing denier posts outnumber solution posts 1k to one
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:17:08pm |
re: #45 darthstar
It's still a shitty way to treat a president who left office with a 64% approval rating and who has, since leaving office, been one of our most respected and successful ambassadors to the world.
Where did I applaud the way they treated Clinton?
Even you can't defend this Fox headline as acceptable. What if someone said, "Former Cocaine Snorting President Who Left Obama a Shitstain of an Economy" to refer to Bush
Don't assign something to me, or even intimate that I did something I didn't
Your objection was to the "impeached President" part
I merely stated that Clinton WAS impeached
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tnguitarist Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:19:59pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for
President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998,
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
But it carries with it certain connotations and they know this.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:21:06pm |
re: #46 albusteve
no shit...what do you suggest otherwise?...I've asked this question a hundred times...trashing denier posts outnumber solution posts 1k to one
Maybe the scientist should go on American Idol/Dancing With Stars/ NFL Halftime Shows.
//
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:22:13pm |
re: #49 sattv4u2
Maybe the scientist should go on American Idol/Dancing With Stars/ NFL Halftime Shows.
//
quite possible...that's about what it will take
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:23:56pm |
re: #48 tnguitarist
But it carries with it certain connotations and they know this.
Again, I am not condoning, applauding or even wink/wink// nudge/nudging approval
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:24:04pm |
re: #47 sattv4u2
Don't assign something to me, or even intimate that I did something I didn'tYour objection was to the "impeached President" part
I merely stated that Clinton WAS impeached
Funny how that happens...you're simply defending the accuracy of a FoxNation headline, and here you are getting labeled a FoxNation retard because of it...sorry about that. If only there was some way to prevent that from happening in the future...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:25:22pm |
re: #52 darthstar
Funny how that happens...you're simply defending the accuracy of a FoxNation headline, and here you are getting labeled a FoxNation retard because of it...sorry about that. If only there was some way to prevent that from happening in the future...
Yes there is
Be accurate in your outrage
Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached
Thats a him problem, not a me problem
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Amory Blaine Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:26:20pm |
" Clintons Load Of Facts Flies In The Face Of Tea Party"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:27:33pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
Yes there is
Be accurate in your outrage
Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached
Thats a him problem, not a me problem
Fox Nation:
"Presidential cock-gobbling intern Monica Lewinsky had this to say.."
ACCURACY IN REPORTING
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:28:45pm |
re: #55 WindUpBird
Fox Nation:
"Presidential cock-gobbling intern Monica Lewinsky had this to say.."
ACCURACY IN REPORTING
ACCURACY IN REPORTING
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
[Link: forums.pelicanparts.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:29:41pm |
re: #52 darthstar
Funny how that happens...you're simply defending the accuracy of a FoxNation headline, and here you are getting labeled a FoxNation retard because of it...sorry about that. If only there was some way to prevent that from happening in the future...
Clinton was impeached, Bush did snort coke, BO is a hapless neophyte...so what?...none of that is the point...tangential posts on wording is a sport around here...no big deal
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:34:08pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
Yes there is
Be accurate in your outrage
Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached
Thats a him problem, not a me problem
It's also completely irrelevant, like randomly introducing GWB as a convicted drunk driver, or Cheney as someone who had a beer and then shot his friend in the face.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:34:33pm |
re: #58 albusteve
Could you do me a favor please?
We had to make some changes on our shared work puters and somewhere/ somehow in the shuffle I lost a batch of e-mail addresses, yours included
When/if you get a chance could you please shoot me an e-mail and then later tonight when i'm at work i'll send you a test one back?
Thanks
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:35:34pm |
re: #59 goddamnedfrank
It's also completely irrelevant, like randomly introducing GWB as a convicted drunk driver, or Cheney as someone who had a beer and then shot his friend in the face.
Yes it was, and I never stated it WAS relevant OR pertinent OR necessary
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:37:19pm |
re: #60 sattv4u2
Could you do me a favor please?
We had to make some changes on our shared work puters and somewhere/ somehow in the shuffle I lost a batch of e-mail addresses, yours included
When/if you get a chance could you please shoot me an e-mail and then later tonight when i'm at work i'll send you a test one back?
Thanks
you want me to hack Pentagon security again?...give me a second
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:37:38pm |
re: #62 Bubblehead II
You need me to resend mine?
that would be great, thanks
Again, I'm not at work and don't have my secure ID with me to access work e-mails from home so I won't be able to access/ respond to work e-mails till I get there tonight
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:38:40pm |
re: #59 goddamnedfrank
It's also completely irrelevant, like randomly introducing GWB as a convicted drunk driver, or Cheney as someone who had a beer and then shot his friend in the face.
this post is irrelevant...
Rule Number 1832
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:38:59pm |
re: #63 albusteve
you want me to hack Pentagon security again?...give me a second
Make sure you send the right codes this time
Last time, I almost invaded Toledo Ohio for no good reason
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SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:40:32pm |
ah yes, science, the great enemy of conservatism
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:40:41pm |
re: #66 sattv4u2
Make sure you send the right codes this time
Last time, I almost invaded Toledo Ohio for no good reason
that was a test
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:41:00pm |
re: #66 sattv4u2
Make sure you send the right codes this time
Last time, I almost invaded Toledo Ohio for no good reason
Heh. War Games
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:41:28pm |
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garhighway Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:41:36pm |
re: #59 goddamnedfrank
It's also completely irrelevant, like randomly introducing GWB as a convicted drunk driver, or Cheney as someone who had a beer and then shot his friend in the face.
Should all headlines refer to Cheney as "draft dodging, face shooting former Vice President Dick Cheney"? By the Satt test, that would be accurate. And therefore appropriate.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:42:28pm |
re: #70 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. War Games
[Video]
Thats exactly what I was thinking!!
Can you believe the puter programs back then !?!?
PONG!!!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:43:36pm |
re: #61 sattv4u2
Yes it was, and I never stated it WAS relevant OR pertinent OR necessary
So you were just being pedantic then, check.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:43:39pm |
re: #72 garhighway
Should all headlines refer to Cheney as "draft dodging, face shooting former Vice President Dick Cheney"? By the Satt test, that would be accurate. And therefore appropriate.
why sniff someone else's ass...make up your own mind
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Gus Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:43:44pm |
re: #4 Bulworth
Is Fox Nation the "fair" or the "balanced" part of Faux News?
Fox News: fairly unbalanced.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:44:04pm |
re: #72 garhighway
Should all headlines refer to Cheney as "draft dodging, face shooting former Vice President Dick Cheney"? By the Satt test, that would be accurate. And therefore appropriate.
WTF
Show me where I stated all Clinton headlines should have that he was impeached
Show me where I defended the headline
Show me where I applauded the headline
OH , WAIT ,, I know
A conservative/repub/righty posts something , WE MUST ATTACK!!!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:44:23pm |
CNN: The Supreme Court has granted a stay of execution for Cleve Foster, who was to die tonight in Texas for a 2002 murder.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:44:41pm |
re: #74 goddamnedfrank
So you were just being pedantic then, check.
If by "pedantic" you mean "accurate", well yes ,, yes I was
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:45:14pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
CNN: The Supreme Court has granted a stay of execution for Cleve Foster, who was to die tonight in Texas for a 2002 murder.
oh man...good news
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erik_t Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:45:15pm |
re: #74 goddamnedfrank
So you were just being pedantic then, check.
It's not simply being pedantic. There's a wide gulf in my eyes between "that headline is terrible and inflammatory" and "that headline is terrible and inflammatory and factually incorrect".
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:45:16pm |
Diginotar announces bankruptcy
And this is why you do not privatize critical infrastructure, people. That company had a profit motive to not tell the public about them getting hacked until they absolutely could not deny it anymore.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:45:41pm |
re: #72 garhighway
Should all headlines refer to Cheney as "draft dodging, face shooting former Vice President Dick Cheney"?
Don't forget the part where his office outed a CIA agent and that he has no pulse.
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Gus Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:46:07pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
CNN: The Supreme Court has granted a stay of execution for Cleve Foster, who was to die tonight in Texas for a 2002 murder.
Good. I can't say if he is guilty or not but everyone deserves a second, third or more chance. Especially when a life is on the line. I think it's time to end the death penalty. I used to support it for some cases but not anymore.
| 85 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:46:52pm |
re: #80 albusteve
oh man...good news
MAybe, I haven't been following the case but some here have. Be prepared for wingnuts to claim it's some conspiracy against Perry.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:47:25pm |
re: #74 goddamnedfrank
So you were just being pedantic then, check.
like you never are?...LOL!....
people that bitch about something like this need a new squeezy toy
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:49:23pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
MAybe, I haven't been following the case but some here have. Be prepared for wingnuts to claim it's some conspiracy against Perry.
there is plenty of doubt regarding this case...I'm not totally up to speed, but you simply cannot ice the guy when testimony can't be pinned down...maybe he's guilty but they have to look at this again real close
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garhighway Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:49:36pm |
re: #77 sattv4u2
WTF
Show me where I stated all Clinton headlines should have that he was impeached
Show me where I defended the headline
Show me where I applauded the headline
OH , WAIT ,, I know
A conservative/repub/righty posts something , WE MUST ATTACK!!!
To the extent that I misunderstood your position, I apologize, but you were putting so much energy into defending the accuracy of the headline (I saw several posts to that point) that I took from that some modicum of approval. Otherwise, what's the point? But if you were just standing up for the constitutional accuracy of the headline in a context-free way, then OK.
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:49:42pm |
re: #71 sattv4u2
No problem. I do expect the access codes to Fort Knox sometime within the next cycle in return for this information.
// You know, just to make sure that the "Gold" that is "there" is actually there and is in fact real. Wink, Wink
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:50:36pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:50:54pm |
re: #88 garhighway
but you were putting so much energy into defending the accuracy of the headline
I never ONCE "defended the accuracy of the headline"
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:51:47pm |
re: #89 Bubblehead II
No problem. I do expect the access codes to Fort Knox sometime within the next cycle in return for this information.
// You know, just to make sure that the "Gold" that is "there" is actually there and is in fact real. Wink, Wink
Luap Nor has let me know the vaults are empty!
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erik_t Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:52:08pm |
re: #91 sattv4u2
but you were putting so much energy into defending the accuracy of the headline
I never ONCE "defended the accuracy of the headline"
I think you were right to do so, but you most certainly did say that it was a correct (ie, accurate) statement.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:53:42pm |
EITHER
Someone's NOT winning Mother Of The Year
OR
This kid will NOT be getting a great Christmas present from mom!!
Child Brings Mom’s Crack Pipe For Show-And-Tell
[Link: stlouis.cbslocal.com...]
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:56:27pm |
Former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani assassinated
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Oh ,, shit !!!
The bomber, who apparently had explosives concealed in his turban, entered Rabbani's home in an upscale Kabul neighborhood on the pretext of visiting him, said Gen. Mohammed Zaher, the head of criminal investigation for the Kabul police.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:56:46pm |
re: #91 sattv4u2
but you were putting so much energy into defending the accuracy of the headline
I never ONCE "defended the accuracy of the headline"
42, 47, 53 all sound that way to me.
Again, if I misunderstood, I'm sorry. But...
"Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached" and
"Your objection was to the "impeached President" part
I merely stated that Clinton WAS impeached" and
"iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for"
...are why I thought that.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:56:55pm |
re: #94 sattv4u2
EITHER
Someone's NOT winning Mother Of The Year
OR
This kid will NOT be getting a great Christmas present from mom!!
Child Brings Mom’s Crack Pipe For Show-And-Tell
[Link: stlouis.cbslocal.com...]
I just hafta laugh...the two I remember the most was the kid that brought a loaded 1911 to school, safety off...and a kid that brought his dad's dope shooting kit....dope, spoon, cotton etc....kids, ya gotta love em
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:57:21pm |
re: #94 sattv4u2
EITHER
Someone's NOT winning Mother Of The Year
OR
This kid will NOT be getting a great Christmas present from mom!!
Child Brings Mom’s Crack Pipe For Show-And-Tell
[Link: stlouis.cbslocal.com...]
Oops...the kid had $3,700 worth of rocks in his backpack...that's going to come out of his allowance.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:57:45pm |
re: #96 garhighway
42, 47, 53 all sound that way to me.
Again, if I misunderstood, I'm sorry. But...
"Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached" and
"Your objection was to the "impeached President" part
I merely stated that Clinton WAS impeached" and
"iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for"...are why I thought that.
there is a difference between shit and shinola...ya dig?
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:58:17pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Luap Nor has let me know the vaults are empty!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
There goes my funding source for World Domination.
//// 10 the Twelfth power
I bet it was the Juice that did it it.
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 20, 2011 2:59:26pm |
re: #94 sattv4u2
EITHER
Someone's NOT winning Mother Of The Year
OR
This kid will NOT be getting a great Christmas present from mom!!
Child Brings Mom’s Crack Pipe For Show-And-Tell
[Link: stlouis.cbslocal.com...]
Although a sad story I did have to chuckle a bit.. The kid brought 3700 bucks worth of crack to school.. If the kid would have been like 50 cent in get rich or die trying he would have all that shit sold by lunchtime..
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:00:19pm |
re: #96 garhighway
42, 47, 53 all sound that way to me.
Again, if I misunderstood, I'm sorry. But...
"Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached" and
"Your objection was to the "impeached President" part
I merely stated that Clinton WAS impeached" and
"iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for"...are why I thought that.
n/p
BUT
51 >>Again, I am not condoning, applauding or even wink/wink// nudge/nudging approval
61>>Yes it was, and I never stated it WAS relevant OR pertinent OR necessary
If you're going to site them, site them all !
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:02:12pm |
re: #99 albusteve
there is a difference between shit and shinola...ya dig?
Rick Perry is shit.
Mitt Romney is shinola.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:02:29pm |
re: #100 Bubblehead II
NOOO!!!
There goes my funding source for World Domination.
/// 10 the Twelfth power
I bet it was the Juice that did it it.
Leave OJ Simpson alone.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:02:29pm |
Fox doesn't even try to conceal their bias anymore.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:02:37pm |
I'm so ronery!!!
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
'Hell on earth': Detailed satellite photos show death camps North Korea still deny even exist
Spin that, ya horny drunk midget
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:05:21pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:06:01pm |
re: #103 darthstar
Rick Perry is shit.
Mitt Romney is shinola.
pretty close...neither bothers me, if I don't like a law I simply break it...I'm secure financially and don't much give a fuck who's president...but when you beat up on gays and women, I'm set to go off...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:09:52pm |
re: #108 albusteve
but when you beat up on gays and women, I'm set to go off...
That's one of the things I like about you...and your taste for little feat.
| 110 |
Alexzander Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:10:00pm |
Can someone send this FB Vegetarian's way next time he is online? Thinking of him and his daughter:
[Link: www.aol.com...]
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:10:39pm |
re: #108 albusteve
pretty close...neither bothers me, if I don't like a law I simply break it...I'm secure financially and don't much give a fuck who's president... but when you beat up on gays and women, I'm set to go off...
I (and many others could really go off on you for that.) You may want to clarify what Laws you would willingly disregard. The last sentence I will support tho.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:11:12pm |
todaywasagooddayandtomorrowmightbebetterbutimnotjinxingitsodontask
Evening Honcos.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:11:48pm |
Perry hates women, gays, the homeless, drunks, addicts, fringe people, Hispanics, blacks, shrimpers, cowboys and his own mother...equally I am his dire enemy...these are the very people that have made up the fabric of my life...I would never consider having a beer with Perry
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garhighway Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:11:49pm |
re: #102 sattv4u2
n/p
BUT
51 >>Again, I am not condoning, applauding or even wink/wink// nudge/nudging approval
61>>Yes it was, and I never stated it WAS relevant OR pertinent OR necessary
If you're going to site them, site them all !
Your highly calibrated non-defense defense of the headline is noted.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:13:25pm |
re: #111 Bubblehead II
I (and many others could really go off on you for that.) You may want to clarify what Laws you would willingly disregard. The last sentence I will support tho.
why would I do that?...I don't owe any explanation
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:14:52pm |
re: #109 darthstar
That's one of the things I like about you...and your taste for little feat.
when I come to visit you, and find a one armed dwarf, I'll defend you to the death....you can bet on it
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:14:57pm |
re: #113 albusteve
Hi Steve-O!
Few Woman admit their age
Few men act theirs..
:)
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:17:12pm |
"Oh, it's so nifty to be Fifty!"
"Yes, it's great to be to Fifty!"
"I'm so glad that I'm Fif-ty To-day!"
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:17:53pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:18:28pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:19:10pm |
re: #114 garhighway
Your highly calibrated non-defense defense of the headline is noted.
Your nuanced notation is noticed
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Lidane Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:19:32pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for
President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998,
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Not. The. Point.
They can't even name Bill Clinton? Really? They just have to call him "Impeached President"?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:19:46pm |
re: #122 HoosierHoops
Congrads! My Birthday is Tomorrow
So is mine (that is, if tomorrow is November 19th!)
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:20:20pm |
re: #116 albusteve
when I come to visit you, and find a one armed dwarf, I'll defend you to the death...you can bet on it
But the question will be, what is DarthStar doing with a one armed dwarf?
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:21:00pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:21:00pm |
re: #124 Lidane
((((shhhhh,,,,, don't look now ,, but ,,,, the horse is dead ,, stop beating it ,,,, shhhhhhh)))))
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:21:00pm |
re: #117 HoosierHoops
Hi Steve-O!
Few Woman admit their age
Few men act theirs..
:)
"unemployed cripple punches out Gov Perry...the perp is in custody but is said to be incorrigible and combative"....
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Lidane Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:21:26pm |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
Fox doesn't even try to conceal their bias anymore.
They've never concealed their bias. The only people who didn't see it were either oblivious or deliberately dense.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:22:23pm |
re: #128 sattv4u2
Some of us just got out of class. Excuse me if I've offended your delicate sensibilities by adding my responses to the thread.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:22:37pm |
re: #106 sattv4u2
I'm so ronery!!!
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
'Hell on earth': Detailed satellite photos show death camps North Korea still deny even exist
Spin that, ya horny drunk midget
It is estimated that about 1% of the US population can be classified as psychopaths and perhaps 20% of prison populations (and higher for murderers). Psychopaths are not insane, they just knowingly don't give a shit for others. No empathy, no love, no ethics beyond what is required for staying out of trouble, and this is not a learned state of mind that can be unlearned, it is inherent in the personality.
I suspect that in N.K. it is a requirement of the party to be a psychopath. It's not hard to imagine 1% of the population gaining power and keeping it, and then applying for membership of the UN and being treated with respect.//
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:23:13pm |
re: #112 Cannadian Club Akbar
todaywasagooddayandtomorrowmightbebetterbutimnotji nxingitsodontask
Evening Honcos.
Check out #94
I was actually thinking of you when I posted it
reminds me of the things you find for us in the mornings!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:24:15pm |
re: #131 Lidane
Some of us just got out of class. Excuse me if I've offended your delicate sensibilities by
adding my responses to the thread.jumping on the pig pile because I can
ftfy
| 135 |
albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:25:09pm |
re: #131 Lidane
Some of us just got out of class. Excuse me if I've offended your delicate sensibilities by adding my responses to the thread.
his sensibilities are hardly delicate...read up thread for delicateness
| 136 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:25:24pm |
re: #133 sattv4u2
Check out #94
I was actually thinking of you when I posted it
reminds me of the things you find for us in the mornings!
If that is the actual pipe, pot smokers like it because the end comes apart and they can stuff buds in the chamber. So I hear...
/crack is whack
| 137 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:26:21pm |
re: #135 albusteve
his sensibilities are hardly delicate...read up thread for delicateness
Now now Steve
You know I'm sitting here quivering because other posters engaged me!
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:26:52pm |
re: #115 albusteve
why would I do that?...I don't owe any explanation
So, You would disregard any law you didn't agree with?
Your words.
" if I don't like a law I simply break it..."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
or am I mistaken?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:27:17pm |
re: #132 Naso Tang
It is estimated that about 1% of the US population can be classified as psychopaths and perhaps 20% of prison populations (and higher for murderers). Psychopaths are not insane, they just knowingly don't give a shit for others.
Which is why they also comprise a higher percentage of CEOs.
British journalist Jon Ronson immersed himself in the world of mental health diagnosis and criminal profiling to understand what makes some people psychopaths — dangerous predators who lack the behavioral controls and tender feelings the rest of us take for granted. Among the things he learned while researching his new book, “The Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry”: the incidence of psychopathy among CEOs is about 4 percent, four times what it is in the population at large.
Yay capitalism!
| 140 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:28:25pm |
re: #138 Bubblehead II
So, You would disregard any law you didn't agree with?
Your words.
" if I don't like a law I simply break it..."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
or am I mistaken?
We're gonna lay down the law and break it when Josie comes home.
/
| 141 |
Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:28:29pm |
re: #118 jaunte
55 mph?
Big difference. One is total disregard for the Law, the other is Civil disobedience.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:29:34pm |
And on that note,
Pizza ,,, wings, a nap, shower and off to work
Boy, my life is so exciting ,,,,,,,,zzzzzzz
| 143 |
wrenchwench Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:31:49pm |
re: #142 sattv4u2
And on that note,
Pizza ,,, wings, a nap, shower and off to work
Boy, my life is so exciting ,,,zzz
Any pineapple on your pizza wings?
| 144 |
Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:31:55pm |
re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar
We're gonna lay down the law and break it when Josie comes home.
/
Well apparently, Steve is a Law unto Himself. He gets to pick and choose what ones He wants to obey.
| 145 |
Kragar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:32:13pm |
| 146 |
Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:33:57pm |
re: #144 Bubblehead II
Steve is just an anarchist who's pissed that the government isn't more effective.
/wait
| 147 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:34:52pm |
| 148 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:36:43pm |
re: #124 Lidane
Not. The. Point.
They can't even name Bill Clinton? Really? They just have to call him "Impeached President"?
If they were *really* trying to deride him they simply would have referred to him as "husband of Hilary Clinton" in order to blow all the right dog whistles.
/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:40:46pm |
re: #143 wrenchwench
Any pineapple on your pizza wings?
Yes,,
except that it's not on the pizza NOR wings
(I do however, have a wing and a prayer if that counts!)
| 151 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:41:43pm |
re: #148 oaktree
If they were *really* trying to deride him they simply would have referred to him as
"husband of Hilary Clinton"cigar aficionado in order to blow all the right dog whistles.
/
Fixt.
| 152 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:42:33pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:43:47pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:44:17pm |
re: #119 prairiefire
"Oh, it's so nifty to be Fifty!"
"Yes, it's great to be to Fifty!"
"I'm so glad that I'm Fif-ty To-day!"
| 155 |
Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:44:29pm |
The Movie Star President
Peanut Farmer President
The President That's Not a Crook President
The Accidental President
Just being correct and all, ya know.
| 156 |
Kragar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:44:57pm |
| 157 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:45:23pm |
re: #119 prairiefire
Happy Birfday to you!
| 159 |
darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:45:51pm |
This is impressive...using plastic bottles as lights.
| 160 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:47:15pm |
re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: allrecipes.com...]
Wifey used to make a nice chicken dish with pineapples
Wifey used to make a nice meatloaf
Wifey used to make a great quiche
Which reminds me
WIFEY NEEDS TO FIND HER WAY INTO THE KITCHEN EVERY SO OFTEN!!
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:47:27pm |
re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Video]
"Hey, stop filming and get over here and help me!"
"Sure...just let me film you shooting a couple more...never mind."
| 162 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:48:56pm |
re: #161 darthstar
"Hey, stop filming and get over here and help me!"
"Sure...just let me film you shooting a couple more...never mind."
American Human Ingenuity
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:49:00pm |
re: #138 Bubblehead II
So, You would disregard any law you didn't agree with?
Your words.
" if I don't like a law I simply break it..."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
or am I mistaken?
I'm not stupid...I pick and choose my fights...I've had a running fight with the IRS for over twenty years...they know I hide money...one example...I cultivate my own weed, the feds hate that...I'm not going on a bank job rampage
| 164 |
albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:49:52pm |
re: #144 Bubblehead II
Well apparently, Steve is a Law unto Himself. He gets to pick and choose what ones He wants to obey.
yup, exactly
| 165 |
Kragar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:49:56pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:51:13pm |
re: #146 Obdicut
Steve is just an anarchist who's pissed that the government isn't more effective.
/wait
I'm pissed because I don't run it...but I'm no anarchist, after all people like you need to be kept in line
| 167 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:54:01pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:54:11pm |
re: #139 goddamnedfrank
Which is why they also comprise a higher percentage of CEOs.
Yay capitalism!
They work hard and make what others call "difficult decisions", easily. One can see how it can be an advantage in some ways.
Without meaning to imply anything, since I doubt anyone has been given the opportunity to analyse them, one has to wonder what the percentage is among elected officials.
I did hear on NPR that of the 1% of millionaire earners in the US population, 50% are members of congress; although to be fair it was not entirely clear if that meant earning $1 million in taxable income, or possibly having business revenues in excess of $1 million.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:54:55pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:55:07pm |
re: #160 sattv4u2
I bet she'd love to see you cooking in the kitchen.
| 171 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:55:23pm |
re: #160 sattv4u2
Are you trying to start something, again?
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:56:48pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Reine: Ta and da! I finally finished my kitchen cabinet doors
beautiful...a lost art, or nearly so
| 173 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:57:34pm |
re: #170 Floral Giraffe
I bet she'd love to see you cooking in the kitchen.
All she has to do is look in there any day/ night
I LOVE to cook
((hey ,, I'm weird ,,, I also really enjoy grocery shopping))
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:57:52pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 3:58:22pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Reine: Ta and da! I finally finished my kitchen cabinet doors
Great job man!
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:00:17pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Which reminds me, what's the method for uploading photos other than linking to an upload site?
Should I have read the manual?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:00:23pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Reine: Ta and da! I finally finished my kitchen cabinet doors
re: #175 sattv4u2
Great job man!
OOPPSS ,, Kilgore ,, I thought those were YOURS ,, Not Reines/ Rois
CONGRATS QUEEN AND KING!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:01:12pm |
re: #176 Naso Tang
Which reminds me, what's the method for uploading photos other than linking to an upload site?
Should I have read the manual?
I have one for sale!
Just give me your credit card number(s) and i;ll take care of it for you
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:03:28pm |
re: #178 sattv4u2
Holy crap, did you have a shitton of coffee or something? Like every fourth post on the thread is yours.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:04:25pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Reine: Ta and da! I finally finished my kitchen cabinet doors
ha!
Chocolate cake for everybody (as somebody requested in that thread!)
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:04:45pm |
re: #179 Obdicut
Holy crap, did you have a shitton of coffee or something? Like every fourth post on the thread is yours.
I took advantage of the post Labor Day Sale
Buy one post, get three free
The drawback was they expire in a week, so I have to use them all fast!
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:05:23pm |
re: #163 albusteve
I'm not stupid...I pick and choose my fights...I've had a running fight with the IRS for over twenty years...they know I hide money...one example...I cultivate my own weed, the feds hate that...I'm not going on a bank job rampage
Yawn. I am sure many Lizards here have grown their own pot/weed/broken the speed limit/ect.
Acts of Civil disobedience.
You on the other hand, have stated that you will violate any Law that you object to.
I only ask this question.
What are your limits?
Nothing more. Nothing less.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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garhighway Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:06:05pm |
OT: I watched Blade Runner the other night. Its dystopian future was set in the year 2019. I think it is interesting how the years in which many of these sci-fi movies were set get closer and closer.
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allegro Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:07:05pm |
re: #183 garhighway
OT: I watched Blade Runner the other night. Its dystopian future was set in the year 2019. I think it is interesting how the years in which many of these sci-fi movies were set get closer and closer.
Yeah, time... what a concept! Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:07:32pm |
re: #176 Naso Tang
Which reminds me, what's the method for uploading photos other than linking to an upload site?
Should I have read the manual?
You can upload them from your computer directly to an LGF page using the "upload picture" button.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:08:02pm |
re: #183 garhighway
OT: I watched Blade Runner the other night. Its dystopian future was set in the year 2019. I think it is interesting how the years in which many of these sci-fi movies were set get closer and closer.
How do you think I felt in the mid 1960's having to read Orwells 1984!!!
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:09:37pm |
re: #182 Bubblehead II
Yawn. I am sure many Lizards here have grown their own pot/weed/broken the speed limit/ect.
Acts of Civil disobedience.
You on the other hand, have stated that you will violate any Law that you object to.
I only ask this question.
What are your limits?
Nothing more. Nothing less.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
not certain of my limits...I live day to day
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:09:56pm |
re: #184 allegro
Yeah, time... what a concept! Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.
Or is it?
Whoah.
Image: whoah-superman-supergirl-doris-comics-funny-cousins-demotivational-poster-1222846625.jpg
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:10:47pm |
OT/
Heard back about a job today for October, but that doesn't pay 'til December. I need *another* job now to support me through October which will pay *in* October.
This is imperative because i *have* to get to the states to see the GF over xmas and new year, or I don't know where the hell things are going to be.
Blech.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:11:01pm |
re: #186 sattv4u2
How do you think I felt in the mid 1960's having to read Orwells 1984!!!
I recall that they made a major motion picture by that name and released it in that year. Despite a big cast it grossed only $8.4M.
No car chases.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:12:34pm |
re: #190 garhighway
I recall that they made a major motion picture by that name and released it in that year. Despite a big cast it grossed only $8.4M.
No car chases.
Forgot they made a movie
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:13:45pm |
re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar
We're gonna lay down the law and break it when Josie comes home.
/
She's the pride of the neighborhood!
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:13:50pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
Yes there is
Be accurate in your outrage
Sorry, but Clinton WAS impeached
Thats a him problem, not a me problem
Assume for a moment that George Bush came out in favor of gay marriage. What then would you think about the following headline: "President who started two longest wars in US history now supports gay marriage"?
It may be factually accurate, but what does the first part of the headline have to do with the second? Answer: nothing, it's an irrelevant partisan editorial hit job either way.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:13:54pm |
re: #190 garhighway
I recall that they made a major motion picture by that name and released it in that year. Despite a big cast it grossed only $8.4M.
No car chases.
Though, Van Halen's 1984 (the last album with David Lee Roth, back in the day) was one of their best albums, IMO.
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:16:32pm |
re: #187 albusteve
not certain of my limits...I live day to day
Bolded for effect. I think I made my point.
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:17:59pm |
re: #196 talon_262
Though, Van Halen's 1984 (the last album with David Lee Roth, back in the day) was one of their best albums, IMO.
Did they do anything good after DLR left? Their first 5 albums (up thru 1984) were about as edgy as pop metal could be; after that, they seemed to settle into middle aged boring rock trying to top the charts.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:18:23pm |
re: #179 Obdicut
Holy crap, did you have a shitton of coffee or something? Like every fourth post on the thread is yours.
He must be competing with you :=)
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:18:46pm |
re: #197 Bubblehead II
Bolded for effect. I think I made my point.
good for you...what was your point?...
why don't you ask the questions and I'll give you a yes or no answer...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:19:02pm |
re: #195 palomino
Assume for a moment
Assume for a moment that I defended, condoned, applauded, smiled at or agreed with the headline
Because that's the only way I did, by your (and others) assumption, when in fact I never defended, condoned, applauded, smiled at or agreed with the headline
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:19:11pm |
re: #199 Naso Tang
Well, this one puts me at four. I think I have a ways to go.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:19:32pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:19:37pm |
re: #200 albusteve
good for you...what was your point?...
why don't you ask the questions and I'll give you a yes or no answer...
Are you wearing a garter belt right now?
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:20:04pm |
re: #185 Killgore Trout
You can upload them from your computer directly to an LGF page using the "upload picture" button.
I knew that, not.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:20:06pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:20:49pm |
And on that note
Doorbell is ringing
Pizza and Wings are here
Later
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:21:11pm |
re: #204 sattv4u2
Are you wearing a garter belt right now?
yeah, it holds my Mach10 on one side and my fighting knife on the other...does my butt look fat?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:21:59pm |
re: #208 albusteve
yeah, it holds my Mach10 on one side and my fighting knife on the other...does my butt look fat?
No,, but chartreuse really isn't your color
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:23:44pm |
re: #202 Obdicut
Well, this one puts me at four. I think I have a ways to go.
We all have our off days. Hang in there.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:24:50pm |
Here's something to keep an eye on this week....
Disaster aid showdown looms on Capitol Hill
The Democratic leader of the Senate says he'll try this week to add almost $7 billion in disaster aid to must-pass legislation to avert a government shutdown.
The move by Nevada Democrat Harry Reid would force GOP supporters of a Senate disaster relief bill to choose whether to stick with the Senate disaster package or opt for a less generous House version. The House version is partially "paid for" with a $1.5 billion cut to a federal program that subsidizes low interest loans to car companies to build more fuel efficient vehicles.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor says the GOP House measure providing $3.7 billion in disaster relief as part of the stopgap measure is adequate for the needs of disaster victims, which include people affected by Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee.
Scumbags.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:24:51pm |
re: #208 albusteve
yeah, it holds my Mach10 on one side and my fighting knife on the other...does my butt look fat?
Which side is which one on. Just wondering.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:27:38pm |
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RogueOne Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:27:39pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
MAybe, I haven't been following the case but some here have. Be prepared for wingnuts to claim it's some conspiracy against Perry.
Drive by: I have, there isn't any evidence that I know of that says Foster might be innocent. The evidence looks really bad, if I were on the jury I don't think I would have bought his defense.
OTOH, there's a case that I know some have been following (Ice!):
Ga. Board Considers Execution Stay
[Link: www.time.com...]
That is the case where I have my fingers crossed.
Dinner time, back to lurking later.....
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:29:11pm |
re: #211 Killgore Trout
Here's something to keep an eye on this week...
Disaster aid showdown looms on Capitol HillScumbags.
Previously: What a Disaster: GOP Cuts Clean Vehicle Jobs Program to Pay for Extreme Weather Relief
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:29:57pm |
the questions and topics get so stupid this time of day...I have to wonder if 24/7 posters are burned out and just don't realize how idiotic they sound
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Interesting Times Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:30:26pm |
re: #211 Killgore Trout
Here's something to keep an eye on this week...
Disaster aid showdown looms on Capitol HillScumbags.
I paged another article about this yesterday. Money quote:
Cutting funding for advanced vehicles that would produce less carbon dioxide pollution to pay for extreme weather disaster relief is like cutting funds for Smokey the Bear's fire prevention campaign to pay for forest fire damage.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:32:36pm |
the feds are in turmoil...I've heard more than enough stupidity, therefore I'm mixing a double vodka and Gatoraid to soften the blow...and it is blow
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:32:56pm |
re: #200 albusteve
good for you...what was your point?...
why don't you ask the questions and I'll give you a yes or no answer...
Simple. If you disagree with a law, will you not follow it? Previous post says you will not. They are there. Do you deny it?
The Lizard Nation can fact check me on this. If I am proven wrong, fine I will eat crow. But somehow I don't think so. The links are given upstream. All they have to do it look.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:35:17pm |
re: #220 Bubblehead II
Simple. If you disagree with a law, will you not follow it? Previous post says you will not. They are there. Do you deny it?
The Lizard Nation can fact check me on this. If I am proven wrong, fine I will eat crow. But somehow I don't think so. The links are given upstream. All they have to do it look.
no, I do not deny what I posted...what's the big deal?...you want to toy with me, but it's you getting toyed....what's your problem?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:36:16pm |
Everybody is hungry for judgement.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:37:50pm |
F'ckin' impossible to find actual lemonade or root beer in this g'd forsaken country…
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:38:38pm |
albusteve is CROOKED!
gasp...
I should run for office
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:38:43pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:41:45pm |
re: #221 albusteve
no, I do not deny what I posted...what's the big deal?...you want to toy with me, but it's you getting toyed...what's your problem?
Actually, not sure. You posted something about ignoring Laws you didn't agree with (and having money to fight them) and it set me off.
/// Wish I could do the same thing
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:43:37pm |
re: #224 000G
Well, if you are in the USA...
[Link: www.sodapopstop.com...]
Shop here!
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:44:02pm |
re: #227 Bubblehead II
Actually, not sure. You posted something about ignoring Laws you didn't agree with (and having money to fight them) and it set me off.
/// Wish I could do the same thing
you are wrong...I did not say I had the money to fight them, you are drifting
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:44:08pm |
re: #228 Floral Giraffe
Well, if you are in the USA...
[Link: www.sodapopstop.com...]
Shop here!
Nah. Stuck in the Fatherland once again…
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:47:34pm |
Thanks for the birthday well wishes, lizards. You guys are great.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:48:56pm |
re: #231 Floral Giraffe
Ah, well, I did try!
It's appreciated.
Yknow what is one of the cutest things? Baby giraffes trying to stand up for the first time in their lives.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:49:11pm |
I have broken many laws, it's true...all in all I have paid dearly for defending my vices and my principles, but I keep fighting...I have been sneaky and covert at times...some of it I got away with, some I didn't but I'm an uncommon criminal and never once complained when they caught up to me...I play by my own rules until I can't...they know who I am
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:52:20pm |
Highly Unpopular Ex President Continues To Laze Around Living Off Of His Large Government Pension
so there
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lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:53:52pm |
re: #11 C1nnabar
"Objection, your honor."
"Sustained. If he was acquitted, the court must assume he was not guilty."
Larry Niven, organlegging short story.
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:53:56pm |
Telling my dad that I'm gay - Live
I was wondering if this was a hoax or not, but don't think it is.
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:54:54pm |
re: #235 engineer dog
Highly Unpopular Ex President Continues To Laze Around Living Off Of His Large Government Pension
Don't talk about Bush like that! Fer shame!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:55:05pm |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Italy is not like here. Note that the charges are "manslaughter' but that the victim (a political entity) is asking for compensation. Don't worry too much, many Italian legal struggles are multi-generational.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:56:16pm |
re: #234 albusteve
I have broken many laws, it's true...all in all I have paid dearly for defending my vices and my principles, but I keep fighting...I have been sneaky and covert at times...some of it I got away with, some I didn't but I'm an uncommon criminal and never once complained when they caught up to me...I play by my own rules until I can't...they know who I am
Sort of like Civil Disobedience without the drum circle.
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:57:18pm |
re: #201 sattv4u2
Assume for a moment
Assume for a moment that I defended, condoned, applauded, smiled at or agreed with the headline
Because that's the only way I did, by your (and others) assumption, when in fact I never defended, condoned, applauded, smiled at or agreed with the headline
Your apology is accepted.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 4:57:45pm |
re: #240 Decatur Deb
Sort of like Civil Disobedience without the drum circle.
Civil rights movement for one single citizen and his utopian civilization.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:02:27pm |
re: #233 000G
LOL!
It's HARD with all those legs!
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:02:40pm |
re: #240 Decatur Deb
Sort of like Civil Disobedience without the drum circle.
I'm nobody's drone, especially when it comes to politics
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:04:46pm |
re: #243 000G
Civil rights movement for one single citizen and his utopian civilization.
you have a better way?...I've made a life, accumulated some wealth and don't owe anybody a dime...you should try it if you could tear yourself away from blogs and TV
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:05:01pm |
re: #201 sattv4u2
Assume for a moment
Assume for a moment that I defended, condoned, applauded, smiled at or agreed with the headline
Because that's the only way I did, by your (and others) assumption, when in fact I never defended, condoned, applauded, smiled at or agreed with the headline
Still going and going and going. Must be some sort of virus here tonight. Maybe there should be a rule that all post need to be read twice before responding (maybe three or four if boozing).
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:06:05pm |
re: #247 Naso Tang
Still going and going and going. Must be some sort of virus here tonight. Maybe there should be a rule that all post need to be read twice before responding (maybe three or four if boozing).
people are aggressive...they want a LGF rep
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:06:32pm |
re: #229 albusteve
you are wrong...I did not say I had the money to fight them, you are drifting
Really?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
"I'm secure financially"
Yeah. right. Fuck The law.
By The Steve, Had interaction with any minors or Goats lately?
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RogueOne Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:09:44pm |
I missed Researchok post on the sidebar...Here's another Davis write up. They denied his clemency:
Georgia board denies clemency for Troy Davis; execution set Wednesday
[Link: www.sltrib.com...]
I was hoping the gov would step in but it looks like it's out of his hands. What a shame.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:09:51pm |
re: #249 Bubblehead II
Really?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
"I'm secure financially"
Yeah. right. Fuck The law.
By The Steve, Had interaction with any minors or Goats lately?
financially secure dies not equate with tossing it to lawyers to save you 20k when you spend 15k...I'm doing alright because I don't spend foolishly...I don't get the minors and goats thing...if it's some insult, it's not working
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:12:09pm |
re: #248 albusteve
people are aggressive...they want a LGF rep
Isn't that you?
Edited: I thought you said ref.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:14:35pm |
re: #252 Naso Tang
Isn't that you?
I'm well hated...that's my rep...it isn't something I strived for, but if you criticize BO, live your own life, and not cop to the political hysteria then people have no use for you other than to beat on...I accept it
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:16:35pm |
re: #246 albusteve
you have a better way?...I've made a life, accumulated some wealth and don't owe anybody a dime...you should try it if you could tear yourself away from blogs and TV
Don't own a TV and don't read much blogs other than this one. What did you make your life in and how did you accumulate your wealth? Other than
GOLD
, of course.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:17:30pm |
re: #237 BigPapa
seems real. If it were fake, it'd be better edited, I think.
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:17:55pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
iirc, he was impeached
Impeachment just means bringing charges against
NOT indicted for
President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998,
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Wrong. The word indictment means "bringing charges against." It's essentially the same as an impeachment.
I'll accept your apology for this mistake later.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:18:26pm |
Is there something in the blog water tonight?
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:19:43pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:21:01pm |
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:22:38pm |
re: #253 albusteve
I'm well hated...that's my rep...it isn't something I strived for, but if you criticize BO, live your own life, and not cop to the political hysteria then people have no use for you other than to beat on...I accept it
Have you considered that it's you and your style, and not what you stand for, thiat is the reason for the hating?
You can criticize Obama, even strongly, and not 'cop to the political hysteria' and not be hated. Probably better here than anywhere else.
Just sayin.
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:22:41pm |
re: #254 000G
Don't own a TV and don't read much blogs other than this one.
Eh, better step back...he is in mega curmudgeon mode here.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:26:58pm |
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:27:18pm |
re: #261 bratwurst
Eh, better step back...he is in mega curmudgeon mode here.
He's gonna get all medieval on somebody's ass with his cain tonight.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:28:15pm |
re: #237 BigPapa
Telling my dad that I'm gay - Live
I was wondering if this was a hoax or not, but don't think it is.
Man, check this out, too, it's great:
A gay veteran is planning on going back into the military to serve openly, and he's calling on other veterans who are gay to sign up again, to show their patriotism and to demonstrate their pride.
That's a fantastic idea.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:30:11pm |
Good evening lizards. Here is an interesting interview discussing how the people, organizations, and tactics employed in the climate denial industry can be traced back to previous denialism such as denying the ozone hole and health risks of tobacco:
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:30:56pm |
re: #260 BigPapa
Have you considered that it's you and your style, and not what you stand for, thiat is the reason for the hating?
You can criticize Obama, even strongly, and not 'cop to the political hysteria' and not be hated. Probably better here than anywhere else.
Just sayin.
I am what I am...I don't edit for the masses...is it stylish to echo one post after another slamming the victim of the thread for hundreds of posts?...it's boring
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:32:20pm |
re: #268 albusteve
I am what I am...I don't edit for the masses...is it stylish to echo one post after another slamming the victim of the thread for hundreds of posts?...it's boring
Well, you know what they say: "if you don't like what's on TV, pick up the remote and change the channel"
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MicheleR Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:32:53pm |
Ok true confession time- I do believe Obama is Anti Israel- go ahead Kill me:)
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:34:10pm |
re: #270 MicheleR
Ok true confession time- I do believe Obama is Anti Israel- go ahead Kill me:)
More important that what you believe... why do you believe that?
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MicheleR Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:34:20pm |
I really do believe he used us to get elected and then just bah- ok and another true confession- I am kind of observant, so ya, ok I'm worried:)
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:34:36pm |
re: #270 MicheleR
Ok true confession time- I do believe Obama is Anti Israel- go ahead Kill me:)
Isn't it possible that he's less overtly pro-Israel than many Republicans, without actually being anti-Israel in any way?
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:35:02pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:35:41pm |
re: #272 MicheleR
I'm sorry, you're saying 'us' as in, Jews? You're talking about Obama 'using' Jews?
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:36:18pm |
re: #272 MicheleR
I really do believe he used us to get elected and then just bah- ok and another true confession- I am kind of observant, so ya, ok I'm worried:)
How has he "used you" in a way that other politicians in both parties haven't?
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MicheleR Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:36:46pm |
Ok I admit- Wright threw me-sorry I came to my sens=ces byt it did throw me
And I do not, as an American Jewish Woman, believe that the 67 borders are defendable- no apologies
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albusteve Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:37:18pm |
re: #269 palomino
Well, you know what they say: "if you don't like what's on TV, pick up the remote and change the channel"
but changing the world takes effort...I'm on a mission, just like everyone else
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:38:38pm |
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:38:39pm |
re: #278 albusteve
but changing the world takes effort...I'm on a mission, just like everyone else
me too, keep up the good work...godspeed.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:38:43pm |
re: #277 MicheleR
Do you understand that what Obama said differs not at all from previous presidents-- except that I believe he's the first to explicitly call for any Palestinian state to be demilitarized?
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:38:45pm |
re: #277 MicheleR
Ok I admit- Wright threw me-sorry I came to my sens=ces byt it did throw me
And I do not, as an American Jewish Woman, believe that the 67 borders are defendable- no apologies
I think you mean "easily defendable" or maybe "politically defendable" because didn't Israel actually, um... defend them back in the war that took place in 67?
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MicheleR Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:38:54pm |
re: #276 palomino
Hey was counting on my "chosen" status. . jk
I just think that during 2008 his ties to anti Isreal issues and the fact I could not lay my hands on his scholarship made me crazy. I care not at all about his birth certificate I mean really, just wanted to see what his scholarship was- Im a geek
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Coracle Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:39:28pm |
re: #270 MicheleR
Ok true confession time- I do believe Obama is Anti Israel- go ahead Kill me:)
That might be based on your guts, but it's not based on fact.
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:39:33pm |
re: #281 Obdicut
Do you understand that what Obama said differs not at all from previous presidents-- except that I believe he's the first to explicitly call for any Palestinian state to be demilitarized?
And to recognize Israel's right to exist.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:40:10pm |
re: #283 MicheleR
What do you mean, 'what his scholarship was'? Where it came from, or what?
I think crazy is the right word here.
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MicheleR Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:40:18pm |
re: #281 Obdicut
Yes but gives nothing by way of a "vision" ok? Great let's make swords into plowshares. . .ALL of us
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:40:20pm |
re: #263 000G
There is more.
[Video]
The first one has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
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MicheleR Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:41:18pm |
re: #286 Obdicut
I would like to know the TITLE of his dissertation ok? Got A LINK?? iF SO POST IT if not ok.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:41:28pm |
re: #287 MicheleR
Yes but gives nothing by way of a "vision" ok? Great let's make swords into plowshares. . .ALL of us
No. He didn't call on Israel to demilatirize. He only said the Palestinians had to. So now, you're just lying.
Obama called for a Palestinian state to be demilitarized-- and for it to recognize Israel's right to exist.
What can be improved upon, as a pro-Israel stance, about that?
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:42:44pm |
re: #268 albusteve
I am what I am...I don't edit for the masses...is it stylish to echo one post after another slamming the victim of the thread for hundreds of posts?...it's boring
I'm not asking you to edit, only consider.
I agree that sometimes the natives get restless and pile on. At the same time, I have to acknowledge some people egg that on and ask for it, sometimes taking the onslaught with pride. Sometimes it seems you do that, sometimes not.
Just an observation.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:43:10pm |
re: #289 MicheleR
You're kind of losing it. Despite what you may have heard, caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
Obama has a law degree, not a PhD. Therefore, he didn't write a dissertation. I'm surprised you don't know that.
Especially since it drove you 'crazy'.
Didn't you find out rather quickly in your search for his dissertation that JD candidates don't write one?
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:43:10pm |
re: #283 MicheleR
Hey was counting on my "chosen" status. . jk
I just think that during 2008 his ties to anti Isreal issues and the fact I could not lay my hands on his scholarship made me crazy. I care not at all about his birth certificate I mean really, just wanted to see what his scholarship was- Im a geek
He's not the first prez or candidate to refuse release of college records. I don't really remember this being an issue with previous presidents.
As for the "ties to anti Israel issues", I'm not sure what you mean. I can see how the Rev. Wright thing was upsetting at first, but Obama went to that church because it was the largest black congregation in Chicago, then left the church after Wright's ugly statements came out, repudiated Wright, and was then harshly criticized by Wright. I don't think there's anything there.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:43:55pm |
re: #289 MicheleR
I would like to know the TITLE of his dissertation ok? Got A LINK?? iF SO POST IT if not ok.
Have you tried googling it yet?
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:45:01pm |
re: #94 sattv4u2
HA! Ooops!
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:45:07pm |
re: #294 jamesfirecat
James, you might want to read your own link:
But later it transpired that no such thesis existed. Obama had not written any thesis but only a seminar paper to fulfill the requirement for the degree. That paper also was on a different subject and was not available for anybody to study or comment on.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:45:31pm |
re: #296 Obdicut
James, you might want to read your own link:
Whoops sorry. Just rewrote my post, thank the lizard King for the edit button...
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:45:35pm |
re: #289 MicheleR
I would like to know the TITLE of his dissertation ok? Got A LINK?? iF SO POST IT if not ok.
Hillary Clinton wrote a thesis on Saul Alinsky...40 years ago. Obama wrote a thesis on _____ 25 years ago. Why do these things matter now? He's governed as a centrist, not some wild radical. Isn't that far more important in judging the man?
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jaunte Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:47:12pm |
He could write a dissertation today on "Fishing Expeditions."
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:47:40pm |
re: #297 jamesfirecat
Also, that site looks sketchy as fuck. Sanitize your interwebs.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:51:30pm |
re: #277 MicheleR
And I do not, as an American Jewish Woman, believe that the 67 borders are defendable- no apologies
It's a good thing then that that's not what Obama proposed, ignoring the swaps is incredibly disingenuous. It didn't get Netanyahu very far, as it is now his exact position.
re: #290 Obdicut
No. He didn't call on Israel to demilatirize. He only said the Palestinians had to. So now, you're just lying.
Obama called for a Palestinian state to be demilitarized-- and for it to recognize Israel's right to exist.
Yep, exactly. I'm going to keep posting these parts from Obama's speech, just to hammer the point home:
For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure. Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won't create an independent state. Palestinian leaders will not achieve peace or prosperity if Hamas insists on a path of terror and rejection. And Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist.
And
As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself. Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism; to stop the infiltration of weapons; and to provide effective border security. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state.
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:51:53pm |
The USA is smack in the Age of Asymmetrical propaganda -- and its all from the Right. The lies and spin are all conservative in perspective.
The Left is too inept to play - they form circular firing squads around their leaders and complain about lost possibilities from 2009-10, i.e. "Where is our Single Payer???"...
The worst is yet to come.
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:52:22pm |
Night Lizards. Steve, we will have to agree to disagree. For Tonight at least, and probably in the future. Until then. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and your Family. Lizards, Good Night.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:53:29pm |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Sometimes, too much is expected of science. We simply don't know how to predict earthquakes, and the smart money is on the notion that they're inherently unpredictable. One can, indeed, say that San Francisco is at high risk of a 7+ earthquake. But beyond that, lies the question of when. And here, there's little help to be had from science. Tomorrow? Could be. Not for another ten years? Yeah, maybe so. Not for 50? Who can say? Little quakes do not necessarily precede big quakes. Big quakes do not normally follow on the heels of little ones. The conditional probability of a big one, given that there have been a bunch of little ones, does not rise, or fall, all that much, from its baseline probability.
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Alexzander Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:54:24pm |
re: #287 MicheleR
Yes but gives nothing by way of a "vision" ok? Great let's make swords into plowshares. . .ALL of us
Sorry just dropped into the conversation. Is this comment meant be demeaning of the plough shares, or put them on an impossible pedestal?
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 5:57:23pm |
re: #302 Linden Arden
The USA is smack in the Age of Asymmetrical propaganda -- and its all from the Right. The lies and spin are all conservative in perspective.
The Left is too inept to play - they form circular firing squads around their leaders and complain about lost possibilities from 2009-10, i.e. "Where is our Single Payer???"...
The worst is yet to come.
I hate to say it, but I think a lot of the public's uncertainty about Obama's support for Israel results from the Right's use of his "Muslim background" to scare Christians and Jews.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:01:23pm |
Woodford Reserve and a splash of sweet vermouth...what problems were we talking about?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:02:50pm |
re: #290 Obdicut
What can be improved upon, as a pro-Israel stance, about that?
Well, Obama could be a Dominionist Christian like Bachmann or Perry and talk incessantly about how much he just loves Jews and Israel. It'd be nice if he just wouldn't shut up about it, almost like he was protesting too much.
Today in the Church there is a changing attitude toward Israel, which is attributed to to the teachings of Dominionists. One of the key doctrines of this movement is the claim that the Church is now Israel, heir to all of her promises, and that national Israel has been cut off from God, and has further no place in the prophetic scheme.
Gee, that would be so much more reassuring.
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:03:23pm |
re: #306 palomino
Mostly you are on target.
Most don't realize the Jordan River is drying up. Israel must procure land above the Golan and around the West Bank to protect her water interests.
Look at an aerial map of the Dead Sea - it is evaporating.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:07:01pm |
re: #310 ggt
More Baby Kittehs!
Roar!
Rawwrrr is right! That site's just too fuckin' cute for common people like myself.
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:08:38pm |
re: #307 darthstar
Woodford Reserve and a splash of sweet vermouth...what problems were we talking about?
I'm down with the WR, one of my favorite bourbons. But the vermouth? Is this on the rocks? Shaken or stirred, Mr. Bond?
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:11:12pm |
re: #270 MicheleR
Ok true confession time- I do believe Obama is Anti Israel- go ahead Kill me:)
That was Hannity's and Savage's meme today.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:12:28pm |
re: #312 palomino
I'm down with the WR, one of my favorite bourbons. But the vermouth? Is this on the rocks? Shaken or stirred, Mr. Bond?
I like my Mannies a little on the sweet side. WR is good by itself, but my after-work bevvy is a basic Manhattan (usually with Makers or Wild Turkey 101, but I like getting different bourbons, and the missus is a fan of the Woodford)...one of my favorite bourbons of late is the Jim Beam black label (8 year old)...it's as full bodied as Knob Creek and makes a great cocktail...and it's only 19.99 a bottle next door.
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allegro Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:12:30pm |
re: #313 prairiefire
That was Hannity's and Savage's meme today.
It almost looks like true colors blooming.
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:13:02pm |
Maker's Mark + a splash of sweet vermouth + bitters + a cherry = Great cocktail.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:13:02pm |
re: #310 ggt
These are pretty cute too!
[Link: www.zooborns.com...]
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:13:28pm |
re: #289 MicheleR
I would like to know the TITLE of his dissertation ok? Got A LINK?? iF SO POST IT if not ok.
I think it was Austin Blue who called out the troll.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:15:04pm |
re: #317 Floral Giraffe
These are pretty cute too!
[Link: www.zooborns.com...]
You won't think they're so cute when they're crashing and flashing around in a roller coaster.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:16:56pm |
re: #319 Decatur Deb
MEH, I love horned toads, any where & everywhere.
Kept many as pets, as a kid.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:17:13pm |
re: #316 Linden Arden
Maker's Mark + a splash of sweet vermouth + bitters + a cherry = Great cocktail.
It's not JUST for breakfast anymore. Or, to paraphrase the President, "It's not stemware warfare, it's math."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:17:54pm |
re: #131 Lidane
Some of us just got out of class. Excuse me if I've offended your delicate sensibilities by adding my responses to the thread.
It's not allowed! Well, not unless pre-approved!
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lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:18:34pm |
re: #309 Linden Arden
Mostly you are on target.
Most don't realize the Jordan River is drying up. Israel must procure land above the Golan and around the West Bank to protect her water interests.
Look at an aerial map of the Dead Sea - it is evaporating.
I hate to be in a position of arguing against Israel's needs, but what you wrote sounds a lot like the argument for Lebensraum, with the difference that it's about water rather than land.
Perhaps that's not what you meant; short posts can't always include all the subtext and context of an issue.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:18:35pm |
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:18:55pm |
re: #314 darthstar
I like my Mannies a little on the sweet side. WR is good by itself, but my after-work bevvy is a basic Manhattan (usually with Makers or Wild Turkey 101, but I like getting different bourbons, and the missus is a fan of the Woodford)...one of my favorite bourbons of late is the Jim Beam black label (8 year old)...it's as full bodied as Knob Creek and makes a great cocktail...and it's only 19.99 a bottle next door.
Yeah, the JB Black is nice. Recently I've grown fond of Basil Hayden's, though a lot of bourbon purists probably aren't fans. It's a bit lighter bodied and has more rye than most bourbons. Rye whiskey used to be the most popular type of whiskey. My 87 year old mom told me that's what everyone drank back in her day. But most bars now only stock one or two rye varieties. Works great in a NoLA specialty cocktail called a sazerac, with bitters and a little Pernod.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:19:41pm |
re: #325 palomino
Yeah, the JB Black is nice. Recently I've grown fond of Basil Hayden's, though a lot of bourbon purists probably aren't fans. It's a bit lighter bodied and has more rye than most bourbons. Rye whiskey used to be the most popular type of whiskey. My 87 year old mom told me that's what everyone drank back in her day. But most bars now only stock one or two rye varieties. Works great in a NoLA specialty cocktail called a sazerac, with bitters and a little Pernod.
My wife likes a good sazerac.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:20:23pm |
re: #270 MicheleR
Ok true confession time- I do believe Obama is Anti Israel- go ahead Kill me:)
Laff atcha, yeah. But why would anyone kill you for repeating Fox Victory Mosque pablum, as if on cue?
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:21:07pm |
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palomino Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:23:26pm |
re: #326 darthstar
My wife likes a good sazerac.
It's a good one--doesn't destroy the whiskey taste but takes the edge off. A little bit like a Manhattan I suppose, just with a Frenchy influence. You ever try Booker's? It's 135 proof, the strongest bourbon out there. Bottled unfiltered. Kinda the opposite of the Basil Hayden's I just mentioned.
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:24:41pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:26:22pm |
re: #320 Floral Giraffe
MEH, I love horned toads, any where & everywhere.
Kept many as pets, as a kid.
Cali girl!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:27:04pm |
What does a giraffe do with a toad?
Can you even see them from way up there?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:30:23pm |
re: #308 goddamnedfrank
"Today in the Church there is a changing attitude toward Israel, which is attributed to to the teachings of Dominionists. One of the key doctrines of this movement is the claim that the Church is now Israel, heir to all of her promises, and that national Israel has been cut off from God, and has further no place in the prophetic scheme."
Gee, that would be so much more reassuring.
Straight from the horses' mouth, or, one of many horses' mouths.
I advocate that these days, as opposed to going through Religion Dispatches or talk2action (they provide great information, but there's nothing like the authentic animal.)
Also, this "article" does something rarely seen in the RD/t2a dominionism-hysteria world...he references Bishop Earl Paulk, who really should be credited as a founder of "dominionism", via that "Kingdom Now" stuff. 70s-80s, mainly 80s.
Too bad for him, though; he had to admit, in front of everyone, that he's a child molester. Wonderful leaders, these CZ bigots have.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 20, 2011 6:33:03pm |
re: #329 palomino
It's a good one--doesn't destroy the whiskey taste but takes the edge off. A little bit like a Manhattan I suppose, just with a Frenchy influence. You ever try Booker's? It's 135 proof, the strongest bourbon out there. Bottled unfiltered. Kinda the opposite of the Basil Hayden's I just mentioned.
I have had it...lovely stuff.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 20, 2011 7:02:37pm |
"According to a Pew Research Center survey, 82 percent of Americans believe that Christ will either definitely, probably, or will have returned to earth by 2050."
Only 30 more repenting days until the Rapture. (Mean it this time.)
'Nite, all.
[Link: global.christianpost.com...]
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 20, 2011 7:21:47pm |
re: #277 MicheleR
Ok I admit- Wright threw me-sorry I came to my sens=ces byt it did throw me
And I do not, as an American Jewish Woman, believe that the 67 borders are defendable- no apologies
Are you drunk?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Sep 20, 2011 7:28:30pm |
re: #307 darthstar
Woodford Reserve and a splash of sweet vermouth...what problems were we talking about?
Your problem is a lack of a dash of bitters and a couple of cherries.
And a good rye is always even nicer.
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dognose Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:02:26am |
It's funny, 13 years later and some people still can't accept that Clinton was impeached.
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