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Today’s insanity break features Diego Stocco, playing a dry cleaning store.
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Flounder Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:34:27pm |
I always liked the look of used heavy duty equipment, see the pedal on that steamer? Lotsa use!
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makeitstop Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:36:13pm |
Ah, found sounds. Most cool. Thanks, Charles.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:36:59pm |
So I went to the Goodwill Outlet and spent $6 on a shoe rack, a matchbox car and all twelve issues of National Geographic from 1949.
Sadly, no fold-in maps. ;_;
Except for the July 1959 issue proclaiming Alaska the 49th State.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:37:33pm |
Boehner puts another feather of fail in his cap.
Members rejected the bill in a 195-230 vote that saw 48 Republicans vote against the measure, and only six Democrats support it.
Funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was by far the most controversial element in the bill. Aside from falling short of demands for more FEMA funds, Democrats objected to a $1.5 billion cut to the Department of Energy’s Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program, which helped pay for the FEMA increase.
“I have serious objection to the pay for in this legislation,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said. “I have a bigger objection that we would have to pay for disasters. We never paid for the tax cuts for the rich, they never were paid for. We never paid for the wars in Afghanistan in Iraq, they were never paid for.”
And Nancy once again gets to slap the little orange bitch around…I think he might actually like that.
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Flounder Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:39:45pm |
My daughter is in charge of making dinner tonight (open house) and apparently she is having trouble boiling H20. I should probably start fixing a sammich now.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:42:26pm |
re: #7 albusteve
what sort of vibe is that?
It’s called bipartisanship. If those same 48 Republicans were willing to buck their party and support Democratic proposals, we could actually geta jobs plan through…but they won’t, and Boehner wouldn’t give them the opportunity anyway…this is, I think, the fourth time he’s lost on a bill he thought was a ‘sure thing’…
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:43:06pm |
re: #3 laZardo
Also, a fun moment from the January 1949 issue covering the rebuilding of Germany - they refer to the then-newly-manufactured Beetle as the “Folks Wagon.”
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:43:26pm |
re: #9 darthstar
It’s called bipartisanship. If those same 48 Republicans were willing to buck their party and support Democratic proposals, we could actually geta jobs plan through…but they won’t, and Boehner wouldn’t give them the opportunity anyway…this is, I think, the fourth time he’s lost on a bill he thought was a ‘sure thing’…
you need your bone, I see
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:44:22pm |
Heh. The idea reminds me a little of early Neubauten
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:44:59pm |
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dog philosopher Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:46:25pm |
re: #1 Shropshire_Slasher
I always liked the look of used heavy duty equipment, see the pedal on that steamer? Lotsa use!
is it a soft pedal or a sustain pedal dya think?
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:47:43pm |
re: #14 Alexzander
I’m currently under the impression that nothing says Seattle pride like Nirvana.
I think.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:48:17pm |
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shutdown Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:49:45pm |
re: #13 000G
Heh. The idea reminds me a little of early Neubauten
[Video]
Thanks for that - I used to play their music all the time to annoy my American college friends.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:50:26pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:51:00pm |
re: #16 laZardo
I’m currently under the impression that nothing says Seattle pride like Nirvana.
I think.
Kinda, although Kurt Cobain looked a lot like many homeless kids here that most Seattleites seem to prefer ignoring or pretending not to exist.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:51:33pm |
re: #16 laZardo
I’m currently under the impression that nothing says Seattle pride like Nirvana.
I think.
The Supersonics.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:51:39pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:52:10pm |
I’m making miso soup and stir fry tonight. I have a huge ammount of maitake mushrooms to eat. Might also bake some tofu. God I’m such a hippy.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:52:44pm |
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:53:57pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:54:47pm |
5 minutes until the execution of Troy Davis. Apparently protesters currently getting arrested outside of the jail.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:54:57pm |
re: #27 laZardo
HIPPIEEE
/related, my city pride is for the city i was born in
I was born in San Francisco as well…we’re rare, you and I…most people here are transplants.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:55:57pm |
Live feed from democracy now, outside of the center where Troy Davis will be killed.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:56:13pm |
re: #28 Alexzander
5 minutes until the execution of Troy Davis. Apparently protesters currently getting arrested outside of the jail.
Such ridiculous, medieval bullshit. Embarrassing. We’re the only first-world country that still pulls this bullshit.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:57:01pm |
re: #31 Obdicut
Such ridiculous, medieval bullshit. Embarrassing. We’re the only first-world country that still pulls this bullshit.
Yeah as someone who has lived in Canada, England and the US; its damn embarrassing.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:57:08pm |
re: #29 darthstar
Do I count? My gramma was 3rd-generation San Franciscan and I lived there every summer growing up, end spent every Christmas there.
I’d like to get a ruling from a true native.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:58:29pm |
re: #33 Obdicut
Do I count? My gramma was 3rd-generation San Franciscan and I lived there every summer growing up, end spent every Christmas there.
I’d like to get a ruling from a true native.
it’s a yes or no question…pretty simple
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:59:30pm |
re: #33 Obdicut
Do I count? My gramma was 3rd-generation San Franciscan and I lived there every summer growing up, end spent every Christmas there.
I’d like to get a ruling from a true native.
We’re fairly inclusive… 3rd Generation is a term most people here apply to their strains of sinsemilla .
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:00:23pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
Yeah as someone who has lived in Canada, England and the US; its damn embarrassing.
Between this and Norway though, it’s hard to be black-and-white about it.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:00:39pm |
Apparently we are waiting for a last minute decision from the supreme court - Troy Davis has yet to be executed.
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Ryan King Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:01:06pm |
I was born in Oakland. But I grew up on the hardscrabble streets of east Dublin. Boy, life was tough there.
/
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:01:13pm |
We are moments away from the execution of Troy Davis. No word from the SCOTUS yet.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:02:14pm |
Speaking of executions…that guy who dragged a black man for three miles behind his truck in Texas is due to die tomorrow. While I don’t think we need the death penalty in this country, I find it very hard to feel sorry for the fucker.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:02:55pm |
Larry Cox on Amnesty International crying on democracy now.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:03:24pm |
re: #24 Alexzander
I’m making miso soup and stir fry tonight. I have a huge ammount of maitake mushrooms to eat. Might also bake some tofu. God I’m such a hippy.
While I will be grilling a couple of Steaks and cooking up some Angle Hair Pasta and green Peas.
Guess that makes the Wife and I a couple of Barbarians.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:03:26pm |
re: #38 BigPapa
I was born in Oakland. But I grew up on the hardscrabble streets of east Dublin. Boy, life was tough there.
/
I was born in Kalamazoo….worked the mines as a child, then raised dogs for food….success came easy at that point
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:03:49pm |
Execution delayed due to consideration by Supreme Court.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:04:02pm |
re: #40 darthstar
Speaking of executions…that guy who dragged a black man for three miles behind his truck in Texas is due to die tomorrow. While I don’t think we need the death penalty in this country, I find it very hard to feel sorry for the fucker.
I can’t feel sorry for him either. I add that there is no doubt over his guilt. That is not the case with Mr Davis, where substantial doubt has built up.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:04:09pm |
re: #40 darthstar
Speaking of executions…that guy who dragged a black man for three miles behind his truck in Texas is due to die tomorrow. While I don’t think we need the death penalty in this country, I find it very hard to feel sorry for the fucker.
Anders Behring Brevik could only get 20-ish years. At the most.
For 80 people he believed deserved to die.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:05:16pm |
re: #38 BigPapa
I was born in Oakland. But I grew up on the hardscrabble streets of east Dublin. Boy, life was tough there.
/
Dublin GA or “Committments” Dublin?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:05:38pm |
re: #4 darthstar
Here’s the Politico article:House shoots down spending bill
A compromise is still possible, but Wednesday’s skirmishing is a reminder of the same brinksmanship politics that so soured voters on Congress over the summer. Difficult budget negotiations lie ahead this fall on a very compressed schedule. Yet having felt bullied by Republicans in the debt crisis standoff, Democrats seem more prone now to bully back, so to speak, playing the hardball aggressor even on such an essential funding bill.
It seems that this is a nice time to give the Republicans the rope to hang themselves. Playing hardball on the debt debate was too risky because the consequences would have been catastrophic. Giving the Republicans the opportunity to block disaster aid lets us see how serious they are. The consequences would be bad but public anger could be serious.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:05:55pm |
re: #47 laZardo
Anders Behring Brevik could only get 20-ish years. At the most.
For 80 people he believed deserved to die.
that’s just untrue…he will be denied freedom forever
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:06:08pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
Dublin GA or “Committments” Dublin?
I’m guessing Dublin, CA - east bay…shopping malls and auto centers…
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:06:19pm |
They are going crazy on democracynow.org
They are saying that the execution was stayed. Lots of joy and praying.
“We thank God. We believe in America and we believe in the justice system.”
I can tell you I wouldn’t be so kind.
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:06:35pm |
re: #31 Obdicut
I must admit I felt no twinge when I read the guy that dragged the young black man in chains behind the pick up truck was sentenced to die in Texas.
But this case of Troy Davis feels very different, as we do have far less certainty. And witness recants. I hope that is genuine recollection not a recant because of a dislike for the death penalty.
I’d be fine with life without parole instead. But some cases just fail to get my sympathy. Maybe my bad, but that’s honestly how I reacted.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:06:46pm |
Double holy shit. Was it a false rumor of the stay?
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:08:17pm |
re: #39 celticdragon
We are moments away from the execution of Troy Davis. No word from the SCOTUS yet.
This is Bullshit. The man is probably already in the Death Chamber with the needles in him. All they are awaiting is the word to go. Can you say, Cruel and Inhumane? I thought you could.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:08:55pm |
re: #51 albusteve
that’s just untrue…he will be denied freedom forever
That’s if they find cause to renew his sentence for that 5-year extension.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:10:10pm |
re: #57 laZardo
That’s if they find cause to renew his sentence for that 5-year extension.
and you don’t think they will…
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:10:14pm |
re: #54 Rightwingconspirator
Yeah. It’s that you can never set up a death penalty system based on that twinge. It’s always going to wind up with innocent guys dying. And it’s just all rather pointless.
I don’t have any sympathy for anyone who’s just a flat-out incorrigible murderer. I may intellectually think that everyone can be reformed, anyone, but that’s not a policy you can put into actual practice. So I’d e fine with just killing the really evil guilty guys. But we can never reach that level of perfection. There always be innocent guys who get hung for a crime they didn’t commit. There’s too much politically at stake for prosecutors for it not to happen. There’s too many times it’s just two witnesses blaming each other and the cops making a choice which one to believe.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:10:37pm |
re: #54 Rightwingconspirator
I must admit I felt no twinge when I read the guy that dragged the young black man in chains behind the pick up truck was sentenced to die in Texas.
But this case of Troy Davis feels very different, as we do have far less certainty. And witness recants. I hope that is genuine recollection not a recant because of a dislike for the death penalty.
I’d be fine with life without parole instead. But some cases just fail to get my sympathy. Maybe my bad, but that’s honestly how I reacted.
A number of the recants allege police coercion, which does not shock me at all in Georgia. I lived there for over 15 years, including in Savannah. One of the two remaining witnessess who did not recant allegedly implicated himself for the shooting at a party while he was drunk. There is no physical evidence of any sort that ties Davis to the shooting, so all we have is extremely shaky eyewitness testimony, including that from someone who seems to be setting a frame up.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:11:21pm |
re: #58 albusteve
and you don’t think they will…
I’ll believe it if they actually do. But that’ll be after 20 years.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:11:38pm |
YAY for the nations practising the execution of prisoners: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA!
Good company!
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:12:07pm |
re: #62 Alexzander
YAY for the nations practising the execution of prisoners: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA!
Good company!
But it’s okay when we do it.
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:12:55pm |
re: #41 Alexzander
I should also admit I do not much doubt Davis was deeply involved in the shooting, but given evidential errors (A mix up of spent shells into the same evidence bag) I can see setting aside the death penalty. The prosecutor makes some fair points on behalf of the case he made.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:13:08pm |
Battle Over Disaster Relief Foils Stopgap Spending Bill
A successful Democratic whip effort left Republicans without enough support in their caucus to pass the bill along party lines. Over 40 Republicans, demanding steeper cuts to federal programs, rebelled against GOP leadership.
….
Now House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and his leadership team must decide whether to acquiesce to the Democrats, or to cut discretionary spending below the level provided for in this bill. Neither option is good from Boehner’s perspective. Appeasing Democrats will cost him support in his caucus, further weakening his standing in his party. But bowing to his own members by cutting spending even further would violate an agreement he struck with Democrats during the debt limit fight, and poison an already sour relationship between leaders of both parties.GOP leadership is now debating whether to seek a new, less controversial offset, to scrap the idea of offsetting altogether, or to disentangle the disaster aid from the government funding bill altogether — to essentially admit that yoking the two together in the first place was an error.
I don’t think the GOP can get the votes to pass anything. Shutdown might be inevitable.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:13:31pm |
re: #63 darthstar
But it’s okay when we do it.
why not?..if they did it, they did it…there are plenty of circumstances that warrant death
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:14:28pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
re: #50 Killgore Trout
Here’s the Politico article:House shoots down spending bill
It seems that this is a nice time to give the Republicans the rope to hang themselves. Playing hardball on the debt debate was too risky because the consequences would have been catastrophic. Giving the Republicans the opportunity to block disaster aid lets us see how serious they are. The consequences would be bad but public anger could be serious.
$5 that the GOP will try to frame it like this:
Democrats hold disaster relief hostage by insisting on stimulus for Al Gore cars!! Remember Solyndra?!
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:14:42pm |
re: #60 celticdragon
You may want to read the prosecutors explanation of what was resolved in court, yet how previous documents are still used to sow doubts that were resolved in court. I found that worth reading.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:15:00pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Battle Over Disaster Relief Foils Stopgap Spending Bill
I don’t think the GOP can get the votes to pass anything. Shutdown might be inevitable.
They want it, and they will get it.
I wonder if they will like what results.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:15:48pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
Here’s the Politico article:House shoots down spending bill
It seems that this is a nice time to give the Republicans the rope to hang themselves. Playing hardball on the debt debate was too risky because the consequences would have been catastrophic. Giving the Republicans the opportunity to block disaster aid lets us see how serious they are. The consequences would be bad but public anger could be serious.
48 Republicans voted intelligently. More of this. Please.
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Targetpractice Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:15:54pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Battle Over Disaster Relief Foils Stopgap Spending Bill
I don’t think the GOP can get the votes to pass anything. Shutdown might be inevitable.
It is inevitable, it was simply delayed earlier this year. The Tea Partiers and their fellow travelers in the House ranks have decided that they’ve got some traction now, in the wake of the deficit ceiling debacle, and are pressing for their ideology to be heeded.
And having Nancy Pelosi publicly spank Boehner’s ass for insisting on paying for disaster relief, while we’re still looking at the bill for Part D and two foreign wars, is just icing on the cake.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:16:18pm |
re: #69 Rightwingconspirator
You may want to read the prosecutors explanation of what was resolved in court, yet how previous documents are still used to sow doubts that were resolved in court. I found that worth reading.
I do not know if he is factually innocent. I do think there is substantial cause to set another trial.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:16:56pm |
re: #63 darthstar
But it’s okay when we do it.
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Gee, I wonder where I have heard that before?
*spit*
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:17:12pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Battle Over Disaster Relief Foils Stopgap Spending Bill
I don’t think the GOP can get the votes to pass anything. Shutdown might be inevitable.
They can. They just have to listen to the Democrats and let the 48 “rogue Republicans” (aka non-teabaggers with brains) vote across party lines to get shit done.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:17:54pm |
re: #74 Bubblehead II
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Gee, I wonder where I have heard that before?
*spit*
Jesus was all about vengeance. He’d even bring people back from the dead so they could suffer more.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:20:09pm |
re: #76 darthstar
Jesus was all about vengeance. He’d even bring people back from the dead so they could suffer more.
I guess that was the same Jesus who said that feeding the poor and unproductive members of society was just like feeding stray animals and it encourged them to breed…
//
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:20:22pm |
re: #76 darthstar
Jesus was all about vengeance. He’d even bring people back from the dead so they could suffer more.
Hell yes. Even his mother threw the first stone.
//Yes I know you all know the joke.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:20:52pm |
re: #71 darthstar
48 Republicans voted intelligently. More of this. Please.
Nope. About 40 of those voted against it because they wanted even more cuts.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:21:50pm |
re: #75 darthstar
They can. They just have to listen to the Democrats and let the 48 “rogue Republicans” (aka non-teabaggers with brains) vote across party lines to get shit done.
See #66
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:22:22pm |
re: #74 Bubblehead II
That would be in the “Hebrew Bible” according to Wiki.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:22:23pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
Nope. About 40 of those voted against it because they wanted even more cuts.
Aw, fuck…really? I guess that means Boehner’s fucked from both sides. But he wanted that job…too bad he sucks so bad at it.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:22:36pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
Nope. About 40 of those voted against it because they wanted even more cuts.
And the Dems voted against it because it had a poision pill attached to it if I am not mistaken
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:23:06pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:23:59pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
Nope. About 40 of those voted against it because they wanted even more cuts.
Tea Partiers hate the “establishment” Republicans that comprise the GOP’s leadership. Remember when they attacked even Allen West when he supported Boehner’s compromise plan during the debt limit showdown?
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:24:05pm |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
Nope. About 40 of those voted against it because they wanted even more cuts.
We get the government we deserve.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:24:34pm |
I posted this on the last thread:
About Troy Davis: Does Obama have any power in this? Could he put a stay of execution or something? Or is the only person able to do anything the governor?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:25:35pm |
re: #82 darthstar
Aw, fuck…really? I guess that means Boehner’s fucked from both sides. But he wanted that job…too bad he sucks so bad at it.
Yeah, he doesn’t have control of his caucus. He can’t make deals because there’s no chance of him getting anything done. The Republicans have fucked themselves
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:26:08pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he doesn’t have control of his caucus. He can’t make deals because there’s no chance of him getting anything done. The Republicans have fucked themselves
it’s official…a mob
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:26:26pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
It means they can’t make any promises to their sponsors. They can’t get anything through to pay them back.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:26:49pm |
re: #87 ProLifeLiberal
I posted this on the last thread:
About Troy Davis: Does Obama have any power in this? Could he put a stay of execution or something? Or is the only person able to do anything the governor?
Presidents can pardon federal offenses only. Troy Davis is charged at the state level.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:27:05pm |
re: #87 ProLifeLiberal
I posted this on the last thread:
About Troy Davis: Does Obama have any power in this? Could he put a stay of execution or something? Or is the only person able to do anything the governor?
Obama cannot do anything here. Davis was not convicted in a federal court.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:27:34pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he doesn’t have control of his caucus. He can’t make deals because there’s no chance of him getting anything done. The Republicans have fucked themselves
There is no point making a deal with the Republicans because they’ve already said they won’t keep their promises.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:27:46pm |
re: #91 Alexzander
Damn it. I was hoping something could be done at that level.
Here comes a violation of justice, unfortunately.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:28:10pm |
re: #87 ProLifeLiberal
I posted this on the last thread:
About Troy Davis: Does Obama have any power in this. Could he put a stay of execution or something? Or is the only person able to do anything the governor?
Nope. It is up to the SCOTUS.
He is a dead man. I can’t imagine laying on the table waiting for them to make their decision. This is cruel and inhumane.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:28:23pm |
re: #87 ProLifeLiberal
I posted this on the last thread:
About Troy Davis: Does Obama have any power in this? Could he put a stay of execution or something? Or is the only person able to do anything the governor?
Obama can’t do anything. The SCOTUS can, but that’s it.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:29:40pm |
re: #96 darthstar
They won’t do crap. The 5 Republican Justices will let him die.
For being so Pro-Life, Republicans are awfully eager to kill people.
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:29:59pm |
re: #95 Bubblehead II
Nope. It is up to the SCOTUS.
He is a dead man. I can’t imagine laying on the table waiting for them to make their decision. This is cruel and inhumane.
Yeah if they are just going to execute him 30 minutes later after sitting strapped up to a bed is just unbelievable.
If I were in Georgia the only thing holding me back from rioting at this point would be Troy Davis’s wishes.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:30:50pm |
re: #97 ProLifeLiberal
They won’t do crap. The 5 Republican Justices will let him die.
For being so Pro-Life, Republicans are awfully eager to kill people.
how do you know this?….keep us informed
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:31:15pm |
re: #97 ProLifeLiberal
They won’t do crap. The 5 Republican Justices will let him die.
For being so Pro-Life, Republicans are awfully eager to kill people.
They only like fetuses…fetuses are cool until they come out…then they’re all covered in blood and placenta (ick!) and they don’t count for shit…unless they survive, grow up, get rich, and then give money to Republicans.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:31:29pm |
re: #97 ProLifeLiberal
They won’t do crap. The 5 Republican Justices will let him die.
For being so Pro-Life, Republicans are awfully eager to kill people.
Nothing is certain at this point.
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Targetpractice Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:32:10pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is no point making a deal with the Republicans because they’ve already said they won’t keep their promises.
That will become especially true if Boehner decides to bow to those 40 hold-outs and double-down on cuts. He goes forward with that, the deficit ceiling deal unravels.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:32:36pm |
re: #101 allegro
It’s so fucking weird to think about. Such a grim grisly little ceremony. A twisted hospital ward.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:32:50pm |
USA Today, 15 min ago:
“Jay Carney, White House press secretary, issued a statement at about 10 minutes before the scheduled execution, saying “it is not appropriate for the President of the United States to weigh in on specific cases like this one, which is a state prosecution.”
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:33:46pm |
fact…
the judge, jury, prosecutor and all the witnesses against this guy are all republican…I blame Bush
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:33:47pm |
My take away from this for when I serve on a jury is:
DO NOT PUT FAITH IN EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY!!!
IT IS ALWAYS THE MOST UNRELIABLE EVIDENCE!!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:34:15pm |
EU in fresh row over biofuels’ ‘green’ claims
A fresh row has erupted in Brussels over the environmental benefits of biofuels, with academics and EU officials at loggerhead over how to account for CO2 savings in the product’s life cycle.
A group of 19 European scientists have argued that the EU’s biofuels policy was based on a “serious accounting error” and should be changed, triggering a row with the European Commission, which defends biofuels for being “carbon neutral”.
The row began with the leaking of an opinion by the Scientific Committee of the European Environment Agency (EEA) last week.
The report eviscerates the official EU stand that biofuels are environmentally beneficial, as an accounting error with “immense” potential consequences.
The EU says that the carbon absorbed by biofuel plants when growing offsets their CO2 emissions when burned.
“The CO2 emitted from burning biofuels is assumed to be carbon neutral, as the carbon was taken out of the atmosphere when the biomass grew. It therefore does not add carbon to the atmosphere, as this carbon is part of the existing carbon cycle,” an EU official told EurActiv in an email.
But the panel of 19 EEA scientists decided that this neglected the fact that other carbon-absorbing plants would have grown in the biofuels place, if the land was fertile, and so any carbon absorption from the biofuels was being “double-counted”.
“What comes out the tail pipe of a car is real carbon dioxide, whether you’re burning biofuel or diesel,” an academic associated with the study said. “You get the benefit from plant growth [but] land grows plants anyway, whether you’re using them for biofuels or not.”
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makeitstop Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:34:28pm |
Yeah, I read somewhere that Michael Moore called Obama out and said he was the only one who could stop this.
Moore needs to read up. Even I knew Obama had no jurisdiction.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:34:45pm |
re: #106 Decatur Deb
He’s right. This is state’s right bit I agree with. I mean, I think the death penalty should be overruled, but the president shouldn’t be able to pardon people for crimes not brought by his department of justice. It would simply automatically pass the buck on every pardon decision up to the president, and could be used to actively screw with governors, too.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:35:43pm |
re: #110 makeitstop
Yeah, I read somewhere that Michael Moore called Obama out and said he was the only one who could stop this.
Moore needs to read up. Even I knew Obama had no jurisdiction.
common knowledge is just so cool
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:36:21pm |
re: #102 darthstar
They only like fetuses…fetuses are cool until they come out…then they’re all covered in blood and placenta (ick!) and they don’t count for shit…unless they survive, grow up, get rich, become proper Christians,and then give money to Republicans.
FTFU
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:37:24pm |
For anyone who doesn’t get why having the presidential pardon power extend to state level crimes would be a terrible idea:
Imagine Perry with the power to pardon people dumping toxic waste who got charged under a state law.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:37:39pm |
re: #103 celticdragon
True, but we already know how Scalia and Thomas will decide.
I and have a hard time imagining that Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy won’t think the same way. They had a decision not to long ago that if new evidence comes up after trial, that the defendant doesn’t have a right to a new trial. I can’t see the same people who did this saying that this execution must be halted.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:38:11pm |
re: #105 Obdicut
It’s so fucking weird to think about. Such a grim grisly little ceremony. A twisted hospital ward.
yup, a medical procedure, just like an abortion….get rid of it
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:38:54pm |
re: #117 albusteve
No Steve. This is not like an abortion. That’s a deeply stupid statement.
I think you’re craving attention, so I’m going to ignore you now.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:39:25pm |
re: #116 ProLifeLiberal
True, but we already know how Scalia and Thomas will decide.
I and have a hard time imagining that Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy won’t think the same way. They had a decision not to long ago that if new evidence comes up after trial, that the defendant doesn’t have a right to a new trial. I can’t see the same people who did this saying that this execution must be halted.
Scalia has actually been quite aggressive in defending the right to confront an accuser. I will not attempt to predict who says what in this case.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:39:39pm |
re: #116 ProLifeLiberal
True, but we already know how Scalia and Thomas will decide.
I and have a hard time imagining that Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy won’t think the same way. They had a decision not to long ago that if new evidence comes up after trial, that the defendant doesn’t have a right to a new trial. I can’t see the same people who did this saying that this execution must be halted.
well since you are speculating and don’t know, then all bets are off
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:39:47pm |
re: #114 Obdicut
I always thought it was pretty nifty that the US President had so little powers domestically.
I once read that if you feared Bush a lot, the safest place you could live in was the USA.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:40:14pm |
re: #101 allegro
Brewer is in Arizona. What’s happening there?
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:40:39pm |
re: #117 albusteve
yup, a medical procedure, just like an abortion…get rid of it
Troll hard Steve. Troll hard.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:41:29pm |
re: #108 celticdragon
My take away from this for when I serve on a jury is:
DO NOT PUT FAITH IN EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY!!!
IT IS ALWAYS THE MOST UNRELIABLE EVIDENCE!!
The only thing more depressing than studies about the accuracy of eyewitness testimony and event recall are studies of the inattentiveness and piecemeal information processing of juries.
Wish I was joking.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:41:57pm |
re: #122 ProLifeLiberal
Brewer is in Arizona. What’s happening there?
Not her. The murderer who dragged James Byrd to death behind a pick up truck. That Brewer. He just went to his final accounting. I hope he made his peace before hand.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:42:04pm |
re: #118 Obdicut
No Steve. This is not like an abortion. That’s a deeply stupid statement.
I think you’re craving attention, so I’m going to ignore you now.
sure it is….getting rid of a living thing you don’t want around….my attention has nothing to do with it, if I cared I’d be disappointed with such a juvenile statement
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:43:11pm |
re: #126 albusteve
sure it is…getting rid of a living thing you don’t want around…my attention has nothing to do with it, if I cared I’d be disappointed with such a juvenile statement
That was really uncalled for.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:43:40pm |
re: #122 ProLifeLiberal
Brewer is in Arizona. What’s happening there?
you’re trolling with unsubstantiated bullshit…I’m just responding
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:43:41pm |
re: #126 albusteve
sure it is…getting rid of a living thing you don’t want around…my attention has nothing to do with it, if I cared I’d be disappointed with such a juvenile statement
If I’d prefer a world without execution, abortion and I’m a vegetarian, does that make me the most pro-life?
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:43:58pm |
re: #125 celticdragon
Oh, okay. I was a bit confused.
I would like it if Brewer’s political career was done though.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:44:02pm |
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:44:30pm |
re: #122 ProLifeLiberal
Brewer is in Arizona. What’s happening there?
The Brewer I’m talking about was the white supremist who was convicted for dragging the black man to his death in Texas. He was just executed, I don’t know any Brewer in AZ.
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:44:31pm |
re: #97 ProLifeLiberal
They won’t do crap. The 5 Republican Justices will let him die.
For being so Pro-Life, Republicans are awfully eager to kill people.
If that’s the case can you square that with this case?
news.blogs.cnn.com
“”The Highest Court in the United States issued a stay of execution for a Houston man on Thursday night.
Duane Buck’s case drew arguments that his punishment might have been tainted by racial testimony, followed by the U.S. Supreme Court issuing a stay of his execution pending a decision on whether to review his case.”“
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:44:37pm |
bbl. Gonna sit down and do some painting on my Gamers Workshop dwarf army.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:44:46pm |
I hope both of the home invasion guys in CT get the hot shot.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:45:27pm |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope the new Dr. Who season comes to Netflix soon.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:45:40pm |
re: #132 allegro
The Brewer I’m talking about was the white supremist who was convicted for dragging the black man to his death in Texas. He was just executed, I don’t know any Brewer in AZ.
Jan Brewer is the governor of AZ. That was who PLL thought we were talking about.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:45:57pm |
re: #132 allegro
The Brewer I’m talking about was the white supremist who was convicted for dragging the black man to his death in Texas. He was just executed, I don’t know any Brewer in AZ.
Good.
“In Texas, you kill somebody? We’ll kill you back.”
-Ron White
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:45:58pm |
re: #130 ProLifeLiberal
Oh, okay. I was a bit confused.
I would like it if Brewer’s political career was done though.
Oh THAT Brewer. Now I get it.
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:47:24pm |
re: #136 Obdicut
IMO (with a little insider help)-Netflix is doomed. The studios are going to own streaming video, keep that profit for themselves. Sony already cut Netflix catalog by maybe a third. If I had stock I’d bail.
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Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:47:59pm |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope both of the home invasion guys in CT get the hot shot.
I won;t be sorry to see them go, and again, there is no doubt whatsoever that they were the killers. They were caught on bank camera with the mother (who they raped and killed later) and were caught escaping from the scene.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:48:19pm |
re: #136 Obdicut
I hope that “The New Girl” with Zoey gets better. The first one only had a few good moments. But there was a very good line.
After she makes a “LOTR” reference, one of her new roommates says, “I’m gonna need you to put the Lord of the Rings references deep in a cave where no one can find them.”
She replies with,
“… except Smeagol. He lives in a cave.
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:48:44pm |
re: #140 Rightwingconspirator
IMO (with a little insider help)-Netflix is doomed. The studios are going to own streaming video, keep that profit for themselves. Sony already cut Netflix catalog by maybe a third. If I had stock I’d bail.
Really? I just heard that Netflix was splitting its two services. It blows either way.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:50:23pm |
re: #140 Rightwingconspirator
I thought Netflix bought Blockbuster. Then I figured that couldn’t be right if Blockbuster was advertising how they were better than Netflix (and Redbox).
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Alexzander Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:50:41pm |
re: #140 Rightwingconspirator
IMO (with a little insider help)-Netflix is doomed. The studios are going to own streaming video, keep that profit for themselves. Sony already cut Netflix catalog by maybe a third. If I had stock I’d bail.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, the consumer will lose. Netflix was too easy, and too well-priced. No fucking way it would ever last when the future of watching movies is streaming.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:51:21pm |
re: #145 Alexzander
Agreed.
Unfortunately, the consumer will lose. Netflix was too easy, and too well-priced. No fucking way it would ever last when the future of watching movies is
streaming.BitTorrent.
ftfy ;D
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:52:42pm |
re: #134 celticdragon
bbl. Gonna sit down and do some painting on my Gamers Workshop dwarf army.
…created by taking a regular army and stunting their growth by depriving them of nutrients, no doubt. Though it strikes me as a tad cruel to paint on the fellows as well.
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:53:03pm |
re: #143 allegro
Really? I just heard that Netflix was splitting its two services. It blows either way.
The disc service might survive, but streaming is so much better it’s hard to imagine it will be much market share. If you go online to order a disc you can just get the show without waiting.
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Political Atheist Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:53:53pm |
re: #144 laZardo
I think direct TV bought Netflix
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:54:39pm |
re: #148 Rightwingconspirator
That all depends on if you have a fast-enough connection to watch it at something better than YouTube quality though.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:55:41pm |
I dropped the disc service, just going with streaming. We were getting the DVD and then it would sit there for 2-3 weeks without us watching it, but we watch streaming all the time.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:57:36pm |
re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope that “The New Girl” with Zoey gets better. The first one only had a few good moments. But there was a very good line.
After she makes a “LOTR” reference, one of her new roommates says, “I’m gonna need you to put the Lord of the Rings references deep in a cave where no one can find them.”
She replies with,
“… except Smeagol. He lives in a cave.
I would almost watch TV for Zoey.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:58:19pm |
Time to head home…so I’ll leave you with a love song.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:59:05pm |
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:59:12pm |
re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I dropped the disc service, just going with streaming. We were getting the DVD and then it would sit there for 2-3 weeks without us watching it, but we watch streaming all the time.
I have a hard enough time rewinding the disks…now I have to stream the movies back after I’m done?
/
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:01:26pm |
re: #155 darthstar
I have a hard enough time rewinding the disks…now I have to stream the movies back after I’m done?
/
Oh geez, who let gramps on the computer?
///
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:06:25pm |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is that the case where only the father survived?
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:08:25pm |
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:10:57pm |
Night Lizards.
// May the Diety of your choice smile down upon you.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:12:31pm |
re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There’s a fine line between being annoying and being funny. I think it kept wavering around that line. Every time I’d just about throw something at the tv because it got annoying, she went and said or did something funny.
I like Zooey, and she did good work on Hitchhikers, but something doesn’t quite feel right with the guys she’s rooming with.
Either way, I don’t the show’s going to last long enough to stick around to build an audience.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:12:40pm |
re: #157 MicheleR
Yeah. Those two men are sharing our oxygen. I think that’s just wrong.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:13:31pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:14:18pm |
re: #161 lawhawk
Totally agree. I wanted to like it…
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:14:38pm |
re: #161 lawhawk
There’s a fine line between being annoying and being funny. I think it kept wavering around that line. Every time I’d just about throw something at the tv because it got annoying, she went and said or did something funny.
I like Zooey, and she did good work on Hitchhikers, but something doesn’t quite feel right with the guys she’s rooming with.
Either way, I don’t the show’s going to last long enough to stick around to build an audience.
It might be cooler if she became a regular on “Big Bang Theory”.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:14:53pm |
Georgia has delayed the execution of Troy Davis because of an appeal pending before the US Supreme Court. There’s no time limitation on when the Court has to respond by - meaning that this process can drag out for some time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:16:42pm |
re: #141 celticdragon
I read this morning that one of the guys said the other guy did most of the stuff. He actually said that he said, “There will not be any blood on my hands tonight.”.
I wonder if he said that while he was raping the 11 year old girl.
*spit*
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:16:57pm |
[Updated at 8:10 p.m.] The time that the U.S. Supreme Court is taking to rule on Davis’ motion for a stay of execution is unusual, CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said. “Usually, it’s handled pretty promptly,” Toobin said.Davis’ lawyers filed the motion at about 6 p.m., an hour before Davis’ scheduled execution. The state attorney general’s office filed a response shortly afterward.
The two hours that the court has had the motion is “not a long time, but it’s long enough for (the nine justices) to respond and say, ‘Go ahead,’” Toobin said. “So it does suggest that they’re taking this seriously, and there may be some disagreement.”
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:17:55pm |
re: #165 Decatur Deb
I wasn’t a real big fan of Big Bang Theory, but the Mrs got me watching some of the episodes. It grown on me, and that they got Mayim Biyalik as a love interest is hilarious. Zooey would definitely fit in on that show.
Or, she could be the mother on HIMYM.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:18:04pm |
LOL:
Follow me & DM me. It’ll be worth your while. Need to get to bottom of a potential game changer. @joemcginniss
http://twitter.com/#!/AndrewBreitbart/status/116343115270455296
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:24:32pm |
Georgia state police are now creating a barrier in front of the prison with their cars.
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:24:34pm |
Wow, I think maybe Troy is about to be executed. On CNN all kinds of police cars with lights and sirens driving in.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:28:17pm |
“This is a good out for me,” he said. “I don’t want a life sentence, period, with or without parole. I wouldn’t be happy with that.”
—the former Larry Brewer.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:28:44pm |
This is a perfect example of why I’m opposed to the death penalty.
There is way too much doubt.
Way too much.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:29:48pm |
re: #175 Varek Raith
This is a perfect example of why I’m opposed to the death penalty.
There is way too much doubt.
Way too much.
not in all cases…what’s happening here is the right thing
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:30:29pm |
Michele Bachmann Calls Food Industry Overregulated
E. Coli and salmonella outbreaks are part of God’s plan.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:31:28pm |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Michele Bachmann Calls Food Industry Overregulated
E. Coli and salmonella outbreaks are part of God’s plan.
What part of Darwinism do you people not understand?!!?
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sagehen Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:32:17pm |
Has anybody posted this yet? (Elizabeth Warren, on why higher taxes for the wealthy are absolutely justified and not class warefare at all)
No wonder Scott Brown is scared.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:32:58pm |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Michele Bachmann Calls Food Industry Overregulated
E. Coli and salmonella outbreaks are part of God’s plan.
and I think the pot growing business is over regulated…when is she gonna speak for me?
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:34:22pm |
God made pot…
albusteve smoked it…
he’s holy….right?
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:34:22pm |
re: #180 albusteve
and I think the pot growing business is over regulated…when is she gonna speak for me?
Pot is enjoyable…so never.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:35:47pm |
re: #182 The Ghost of a Flea
Pot is enjoyable…so never.
Could lead to lewd behavior.
Plus, the alcoholic beverage lobby won’t let them get away with it.
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austin_blue Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:36:22pm |
Just showed the clip to She Who Must Be Obeyed and she noted that a bunch of her alt/composer Twitter cohort have been going gaga over this and other environmental composer clips.
It’s true. You can make music out of anything.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:38:53pm |
re: #184 austin_blue
Just showed the clip to She Who Must Be Obeyed and she noted that a bunch of her alt/composer Twitter cohort have been going gaga over this and other environmental composer clips.
It’s true. You can make music out of anything.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:40:49pm |
re: #184 austin_blue
Just showed the clip to She Who Must Be Obeyed and she noted that a bunch of her alt/composer Twitter cohort have been going gaga over this and other environmental composer clips.
It’s true. You can make music out of anything.
Nirvana proved that
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HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:42:53pm |
I believe the American Justice system strives to be fair and grows by judgment and time…After all Judge Bean isn’t hanging people weekly these days..
To be fair to both the victims and defendant..
If you are convicted of murder with DNA evidence your appeals should be limited. Sorry about your miserable luck..
No DNA or solid evidence then I think we should tread with caution..It seems every month somebody gets cleared of a crime by DNA after spending 20+ years in Prison..or worse on death row..Without abundant caution and fairness how do we as a society pay back this injustice? Just money after we robbed their life? A cash settlement? How much is your life worth to the Government?
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:48:58pm |
Assange fails in bid to suppress own memoirs
“I have kept my own counsel about the matter until now,” he writes. “It will be difficult to keep anger out of this account, owing to the sheer level of malice and opportunism that has driven the case against me.”
stupid twit…what goes round, comes round
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:55:38pm |
re: #187 HoosierHoops
It’s your birthday? Well, joy to ya, my friend.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:55:57pm |
Did Mahmoud Abbas drop the Palestinian statehood bid or not? It’s amazing how much contradictory information is out there.
It’s a propaganda war and the media are not helping.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:55:59pm |
re: #189 prairiefire
Happy Birthday, Hoops.
Thank you..Kind regards…I begged off the round at Campus Corner.. I gotta work in the morning.. I’m going all out Friday night! Had a great day today..
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:58:23pm |
Wow, over 100 armed officers outside of the prison.
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Gepetto Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:06:06pm |
re: #117 albusteve
yup, a medical procedure, just like an abortion…get rid of it
not just like an abortion, in which the being is distinctly not guilty of anything. an execution, when based on an accurate conviction, involves a being who is guilty, usually of a hideous crime like dragging someone to death behind a pickup.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:06:09pm |
re: #24 Alexzander
I’m making miso soup and stir fry tonight. I have a huge ammount of maitake mushrooms to eat. Might also bake some tofu. God I’m such a hippy.
Lol dude there is an entire continent of people who cook tofu. You’re in good company!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:07:10pm |
I haven’t been following the news but is this the fucknut the lefties are upset about?
Texas executes man in race-motivated dragging death
Brewer, together with the two other men, offered Byrd a ride home, attacked him on a country road, chained his ankles to the back of a pickup, and then dragged him behind the truck for several miles in the vicinity of Jasper, Texas, according to a report by the Texas Attorney General’s Office.
I’m late to the party but I can’t muster any outrage about this prick being very dead.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:09:04pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
No.
There’s another guy, against home the evidence is solely witness testimony, and a ton of the witnesses recanted and said they were forced.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:09:05pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:09:41pm |
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:10:08pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
I haven’t been following the news but is this the fucknut the lefties are upset about?
Texas executes man in race-motivated dragging deathI’m late to the party but I can’t muster any outrage about this prick being very dead.
I commented on him earlier…that fuckwad is gone (though I thought he was scheduled for tomorrow). The guy in Georgia is a different situation - cop killed, 7 of 9 witnesses recanting their testimony, which was the only evidence against him (no physical evidence, only eye-witness testimony)…It’s a gray enough case that rehearing it would be the right thing to do, though the OMGTHEY’RELETTINGACOPKILLERGO crowd would make hay of it for years.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:10:21pm |
35 bodies dumped in Mexican city as president begins effort to woo tourists
As Mexican President Felipe Calderon was unveiling a new campaign and TV program Tuesday to draw wary tourists back to his country, a gang dumped 35 bodies at a busy intersection in the tourist zone in the coastal city of Veracruz.
No one suggests that the events are related, but the gruesome appearance of two truckloads of bloody corpses in front of a large shopping mall at rush hour — just a few blocks from a hotel where state prosecutors were meeting — dominated the news cycle here and threatened to overwhelm Calderon’s campaign to woo tourists.
The images from the travel television program, called “Mexico: The Royal Tour” — clips of gray whales, Mayan pyramids and glasses of amber tequila — clashed with shaky videos captured by cellphone cameras of panicked commuters, wailing police vehicles and half-naked bodies dumped on an underpass near the Veracruz beaches.
Authorities in Veracruz said the 35 bodies included 24 men and 11 women. They quickly tried to calm the public — and foreign visitors — by saying that most of the dead were criminals who were killed by a warring drug cartel.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:11:20pm |
Almost 1 million young adults get health insurance
I blame Obama
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:11:43pm |
re: #187 HoosierHoops
I believe the American Justice system strives to be fair and grows by judgment and time…After all Judge Bean isn’t hanging people weekly these days..
To be fair to both the victims and defendant..
If you are convicted of murder with DNA evidence your appeals should be limited. Sorry about your miserable luck..
No DNA or solid evidence then I think we should tread with caution..It seems every month somebody gets cleared of a crime by DNA after spending 20+ years in Prison..or worse on death row..Without abundant caution and fairness how do we as a society pay back this injustice? Just money after we robbed their life? A cash settlement? How much is your life worth to the Government?
Good sentiments, but I would just like to add that DNA evidence is not God. It can be manipulated or misread, and should not be the be all end all.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:11:46pm |
re: #129 Alexzander
If I’d prefer a world without execution, abortion and I’m a vegetarian, does that make me the most pro-life?
No!
Tempeh and yogurt is aliiivvvve!!!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:12:31pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
I haven’t been following the news but is this the fucknut the lefties are upset about?
Texas executes man in race-motivated dragging death
No.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:13:47pm |
re: #200 darthstar
It’s a gray enough case that rehearing it would be the right thing to do, though the OMGTHEY’RELETTINGANEGROCOPKILLERGO crowd would make hay of it for years.
edited for clarity /
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:14:29pm |
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:15:53pm |
re: #200 darthstar
I commented on him earlier…that fuckwad is gone (though I thought he was scheduled for tomorrow). The guy in Georgia is a different situation - cop killed, 7 of 9 witnesses recanting their testimony, which was the only evidence against him (no physical evidence, only eye-witness testimony)…It’s a gray enough case that rehearing it would be the right thing to do, though the OMGTHEY’RELETTINGACOPKILLERGO crowd would make hay of it for years.
after all these years why are they ‘recanting’?…the execution has to be stopped at this point, but certainly the witnesses should undergo an investigation for lying to the court
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:19:01pm |
re: #208 albusteve
after all these years why are they ‘recanting’?…the execution has to be stopped at this point, but certainly the witnesses should undergo an investigation for lying to the court
Would that not also require investigating the prosecution (aka the good guys) since it was their witnesses who gave the testimony?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:19:16pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
I haven’t been following the news but is this the fucknut the lefties are upset about?
Texas executes man in race-motivated dragging deathI’m late to the party but I can’t muster any outrage about this prick being very dead.
Well -
Just as I would prefer there be no abortions performed, I also would prefer there be no executions, regardless how big a “fucknut” a person is. That guy deserved, IMO, to be put in a deep dark cell all by himself so his thoughts about why he was there could drive him insane.
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sagehen Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:21:08pm |
re: #194 Gepetto
not just like an abortion, in which the being is distinctly not guilty of anything. an execution, when based on an accurate conviction, involves a being who is guilty, usually of a hideous crime like dragging someone to death behind a pickup.
Actually… according to Jewish law, there are circumstances in which a fetus *is* considered guilty of something. When a pregnancy poses serious risk to a woman’s health we classify the fetus as “a pursuer,” and the woman be protected. Abortion is required in such cases.
I somehow doubt the advocates of “conscience clauses” would be sympathetic to the demands of the doctor’s religion if it’s a Jewish doctor performing an abortion at 24 weeks in Nebraska.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:22:16pm |
re: #208 albusteve
after all these years why are they ‘recanting’?…the execution has to be stopped at this point, but certainly the witnesses should undergo an investigation for lying to the court
I don’t understand…Look..9 witnesses saw the crime.. When was the last time ( besides a flash mob) has anybody had 9 witnesses to a crime?
22 years ago they were under oath and swore to tell the truth..So help me God..
They no longer are under oath..They can say what ever they want to now..
Who knows what has happened in the last 22 years.. Maybe the Pope called them in the middle of the night…
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:22:24pm |
re: #200 darthstar
I wouldn’t mind a re-hearing of that case at all. If it’s all horseshit, and he really is guilty? We can always kill him later.
If he’s not guilty? The for fuck’s sake, let him go.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:22:25pm |
re: #210 reine.de.tout
Well -
Just as I would prefer there be no abortions performed, I also would prefer there be no executions, regardless how big a “fucknut” a person is. That guy deserved, IMO, to be put in a deep dark cell all by himself so his thoughts about why he was there could drive him insane.
My bar for executions is set pretty high, to around the Jeffrey Dahmer level. But I won’t be shedding any tears tonight for that Jasper pos, either.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:24:04pm |
re: #194 Gepetto
not just like an abortion, in which the being is distinctly not guilty of anything.
Once it’s born, though, it’s guilty of Original Sin of having been born at all. Depending on who you ask, of course.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:25:18pm |
re: #209 darthstar
Would that not also require investigating the prosecution (aka the good guys) since it was their witnesses who gave the testimony?
it’s all about the truth…they are doing their job, but if testimony is flawed, it’s on the witness…if there is wrongdoing by the prosecutor then he needs to answer for it, but I seriously doubt that’s the case….I think almost all of this new stuff is trumped up….again…but if nobody saw him do it, and he does not confess, you can’t just ice the guy….gotta have more than some half wit witness to give him the needle
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:25:54pm |
re: #210 reine.de.tout
Well -
Just as I would prefer there be no abortions performed, I also would prefer there be no executions, regardless how big a “fucknut” a person is. That guy deserved, IMO, to be put in a deep dark cell all by himself so his thoughts about why he was there could drive him insane.
I have thoughts like this sometimes about these really evil fuckers. Then I realize that my fantasy treatment - some kind of unending suffering - is almost worse than their original crime. It’s at that point I realize the death penalty isn’t severe enough. Lifetime incarceration without possibility of parole is really the most humane way to treat them - even though they may adapt to life behind bars and accept it - as people do.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:26:44pm |
re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wouldn’t mind a re-hearing of that case at all. If it’s all horseshit, and he really is guilty? We can always kill him later.
If he’s not guilty? The for fuck’s sake, let him go.
it’s already been reheard a couple of times…where do you draw the line?
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:29:54pm |
re: #217 darthstar
I have thoughts like this sometimes about these really evil fuckers. Then I realize that my fantasy treatment - some kind of unending suffering - is almost worse than their original crime. It’s at that point I realize the death penalty isn’t severe enough. Lifetime incarceration without possibility of parole is really the most humane way to treat them - even though they may adapt to life behind bars and accept it - as people do.
that’s your opinion…I’d much rather die…you guys that just accept a lifetime of incarceration as humane have never done time
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:30:40pm |
re: #218 albusteve
it’s already been reheard a couple of times…where do you draw the line?
I’ll draw the line when there’s a complete investigation into the allegations that the Savanna police pressured witnesses to testify that he was the one who committed the crime. Also, why so many of the prosecution’s star witnesses have recanted their testimony.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:31:45pm |
re: #218 albusteve
I think when people start to re-cant their testimonies en masse things should get a second or third look.
Of course, I think people who re-cant earlier testimony? Should get a visit from the perjury fairy.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:31:58pm |
re: #220 Varek Raith
I’ll draw the line when there’s a complete investigation into the allegations that the Savanna police pressured witnesses to testify that he was the one who committed the crime. Also, why so many of the prosecution’s star witnesses have recanted their testimony.
yes, that’s the question
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:33:38pm |
re: #219 albusteve
that’s your opinion…I’d much rather die…you guys that just accept a lifetime of incarceration as humane have never done time
True…a lot of these guys would rather die…then they don’t have to think about what they did…just get saved before the needle goes in and all will be fine…sure, it’s scary, but after you’re dead, you get to hang with Jesus and watch Jerry Garcia sitting in with Peter Tosh and Jim Morrison all the time.
Lifetime incarceration is “more humane” to us who don’t have to serve…
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:34:46pm |
re: #223 darthstar
True…a lot of these guys would rather die…then they don’t have to think about what they did…just get saved before the needle goes in and all will be fine…sure, it’s scary, but after you’re dead, you get to hang with Jesus and watch Jerry Garcia sitting in with Peter Tosh and Jim Morrison all the time.
I’m not against the DP because I like murderers.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:34:51pm |
re: #3 laZardo
So I went to the Goodwill Outlet and spent $6 on a shoe rack, a matchbox car and all twelve issues of National Geographic from 1949.
Sadly, no fold-in maps. ;_;
Except for the July 1959 issue proclaiming Alaska the 49th State.
Well, if you ever meet Sarah Palin you can get her to sign the map.
/Kidding
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:35:01pm |
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:35:58pm |
re: #223 darthstar
True…a lot of these guys would rather die…then they don’t have to think about what they did…just get saved before the needle goes in and all will be fine…sure, it’s scary, but after you’re dead, you get to hang with Jesus and watch Jerry Garcia sitting in with Peter Tosh and Jim Morrison all the time.
so we should spend millions so Joe Killer can think about what he did?….you must be kidding
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Single-handed sailor Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:37:03pm |
I’m getting old. I saw him at “A Day on the Green” … I guess that was 35 years ago.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:37:59pm |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
I haven’t been following the news but is this the fucknut the lefties are upset about?
Texas executes man in race-motivated dragging deathI’m late to the party but I can’t muster any outrage about this prick being very dead.
No one is going to be very sad when that Klansman Brewer meets his end. Few who are executed deserve it more than he.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:38:03pm |
re: #228 albusteve
so we should spend millions so Joe Killer can think about what he did?…you must be kidding
It costs more to go the DP route, and we still kill some number of the innocent.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:38:13pm |
re: #228 albusteve
so we should spend millions so Joe Killer can think about what he did?…you must be kidding
The death penalty costs more than life in prison and you know it. The only way to make it cheaper is to remove the appeals process and risk killing more innocents.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:38:33pm |
re: #229 mracb
I’m getting old. I saw him at “A Day on the Green” … I guess that was 35 years ago.
Oh crap! you mean day on the green at Oakland? I went to bunches of them
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Stanley Sea Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:38:41pm |
re: #187 HoosierHoops
I believe the American Justice system strives to be fair and grows by judgment and time…After all Judge Bean isn’t hanging people weekly these days..
To be fair to both the victims and defendant..
If you are convicted of murder with DNA evidence your appeals should be limited. Sorry about your miserable luck..
No DNA or solid evidence then I think we should tread with caution..It seems every month somebody gets cleared of a crime by DNA after spending 20+ years in Prison..or worse on death row..Without abundant caution and fairness how do we as a society pay back this injustice? Just money after we robbed their life? A cash settlement? How much is your life worth to the Government?
Gah I’m so late to this thread, is this still the thread? Who knows. On iPhone here.
Hoops, happy Hellacious birthday to you.
And yes, DNA (do y’all know they make the incarcinated pay for the test? - yah good luck ‘Em). But there’s been some stuff written recently about studies showing the failure of eye witness accounts. The newbies have DNA, the old rotters, nothing.
Hope you have a good b-day buzz hoops!
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:39:33pm |
re: #228 albusteve
so we should spend millions so Joe Killer can think about what he did?…you must be kidding
It’s the American way. Free room & board, free medical care. That’s why we have retired people robbing banks these days…so they can get into these retirement communities we call prisons. The system’s fucked up, yes. Stop people from doing evil shit and you’ll eventually put hundreds of thousands of correctional workers out on the street looking for work.
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Gepetto Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:41:00pm |
re: #211 sagehen
Actually… according to Jewish law, there are circumstances in which a fetus *is* considered guilty of something. When a pregnancy poses serious risk to a woman’s health we classify the fetus as “a pursuer,” and the woman be protected. Abortion is required in such cases.
I somehow doubt the advocates of “conscience clauses” would be sympathetic to the demands of the doctor’s religion if it’s a Jewish doctor performing an abortion at 24 weeks in Nebraska.
interesting, and something I didn’t know. It makes sense, as does much of Jewish law. If abortion is “required” does that leave no room for the wishes of the mother?
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:41:07pm |
re: #232 goddamnedfrank
The death penalty costs more than life in prison and you know it. The only way to make it cheaper is to remove the appeals process and risk killing more innocents.
I’m not advocating the risk of killing innocents…I’ve posted several times about this….you are behind
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Single-handed sailor Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:42:15pm |
re: #233 HoosierHoops
Oh crap! you mean day on the green at Oakland? I went to bunches of them
Yes, I went to a dozen at least. A mini-one-day Woodstock.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:42:31pm |
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Gepetto Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:43:08pm |
re: #215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Once it’s born, though, it’s guilty of Original Sin of having been born at all. Depending on who you ask, of course.
Thats true. Its a doctrine I don’t embrace, personally.
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bratwurst Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:46:28pm |
re: #240 darthstar
Loved his music…The Bush Doctor…
[Video]
His posthumous “Live & Dangerous: Boston 1976” is quite possibly my favorite live album by any artist ever.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:47:06pm |
re: #238 albusteve
I’m not advocating the risk of killing innocents…I’ve posted several times about this…you are behind
Then why are you talking about “spending millions,” are you aware that the death penalty is much more expensive than life in prison, or do you simply not care?
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HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:47:12pm |
re: #234 Stanley Sea
It’s been a great day..Did golf this morning..Drank too much beer and smoked to many cigars before noon..( Should be a law )
Went to Thunderbird lake with Winston for the afternoon and watched him play while I ate lunch and read a book..
I got many texts and calls today from Family and friends
I’m very happy and buzzed right now…Sorry
Thank you God for another year on this planet…
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:48:02pm |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
It’s been a great day..Did golf this morning..Drank too much beer and smoked to many cigars before noon..( Should be a law )
Went to Thunderbird lake with Winston for the afternoon and watched him play while I ate lunch and read a book..
I got many texts and calls today from Family and friends
I’m very happy and buzzed right now…Sorry
Thank you God for another year on this planet…
Happy BDay!
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:48:24pm |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
It’s been a great day..Did golf this morning..Drank too much beer and smoked to many cigars before noon..( Should be a law )
Be careful what you wish for. ;)
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:49:54pm |
re: #244 goddamnedfrank
Then why are you talking about “spending millions,” are you aware that the death penalty is much more expensive than life in prison, or do you simply not care?
why is that?…the system is fucked up…if the guy did it, execute him and be done with it….this morbid industry involving years of appeals is disgusting
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palomino Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:50:51pm |
re: #186 albusteve
Nirvana proved that
Even if you don’t like Nirvana, you gotta give em credit for hastening the demise of that cheesy hair metal that dominated the late 80’s.
Oh, and they were incredibly influential. Nearly every hard rock band of the last 20 years owes something to Nirvana. From the obvious like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, to hundreds of other bands as diverse as Muse, Tool, even Radiohead. Kinda like the Sex Pistols, they weren’t everyone’s cup o’ tea, but they did leave an indelible mark on rock history.
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:51:06pm |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
Sounds like a nice birthday.
Happy Happy to you!
*sung very off key*
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:52:21pm |
re: #191 Charles
Did Mahmoud Abbas drop the Palestinian statehood bid or not? It’s amazing how much contradictory information is out there.
It’s a propaganda war and the media are not helping.
Looks likely that like he’s going for a vote:
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas plans to make the request for U.N. membership and statehood after he speaks to the U.N. General Assembly in New York on Friday. The U.S. says it will block the move in the U.N. Security Council, thought the Palestinians could also go to the General Assembly and seek the lesser status of “non-member observer state.”
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:54:32pm |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
It’s been a great day..Did golf this morning..Drank too much beer and smoked to many cigars before noon..( Should be a law )
Went to Thunderbird lake with Winston for the afternoon and watched him play while I ate lunch and read a book..
I got many texts and calls today from Family and friends
I’m very happy and buzzed right now…Sorry
Thank you God for another year on this planet…
I’m happy that you’re happy.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:54:36pm |
re: #249 palomino
Even if you don’t like Nirvana, you gotta give em credit for hastening the demise of that cheesy hair metal that dominated the late 80’s.
Oh, and they were incredibly influential. Nearly every hard rock band of the last 20 years owes something to Nirvana. From the obvious like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, to hundreds of other bands as diverse as Muse, Tool, even Radiohead. Kinda like the Sex Pistols, they weren’t everyone’s cup o’ tea, but they did leave an indelible mark on rock history.
I just pick on Nirv because I don’t like their music…I could have said Barry Manilow but nobody would disagree…I’m a big music fan and it’s all subjective…but that shit out of Seattle was just plain bad rock and roll
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:56:23pm |
re: #249 palomino
Even if you don’t like Nirvana, you gotta give em credit for hastening the demise of that cheesy hair metal that dominated the late 80’s.
Oh, and they were incredibly influential. Nearly every hard rock band of the last 20 years owes something to Nirvana. From the obvious like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, to hundreds of other bands as diverse as Muse, Tool, even Radiohead. Kinda like the Sex Pistols, they weren’t everyone’s cup o’ tea, but they did leave an indelible mark on rock history.
Kind of like the Ramones, but with more commercial success.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:57:42pm |
re: #248 albusteve
why is that?…the system is fucked up…if the guy did it, execute him and be done with it…this morbid industry involving years of appeals is disgusting
I see, you want simplistic answers to a complex situation. Good luck with that. You say that you don’t want to see more innocents killed, but you want to kill the expensive appeals process that weeds them out.
Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 6:57:59pm |
re: #251 goddamnedfrank
Looks likely that like he’s going for a vote:
We’ll veto the motion, but a lot of people around the world are going to be pissed when we do. But this is one of those times when the US simply sees things differently than the rest of the world. Of all the candidates for President who have chance of winning (including the incumbent) there is not one that would not veto the motion.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:00:15pm |
re: #256 Dark_Falcon
We’ll veto the motion, but a lot of people around the world are going to be pissed when we do. But this is one of those times when the US simply sees things differently than the rest of the world. Of all the candidates for President who have chance of winning (including the incumbent) there is not one that would not veto the motion.
Two words: Luap Nor.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:01:06pm |
re: #256 Dark_Falcon
Of all the candidates for President who have chance of winning (including the incumbent) there is not one that would not veto the motion.
LOL @ the qualification = Ron Paul.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:01:15pm |
re: #254 Atlas Fails
Kind of like the Ramones, but with more commercial success.
Oh, how I hate the Ramones.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:01:51pm |
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:02:44pm |
re: #258 goddamnedfrank
LOL @ the qualification = Ron Paul.
Missed the qualifier. My apologies to DF.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:02:45pm |
re: #255 goddamnedfrank
I see, you want simplistic answers to a complex situation. Good luck with that. You say that you don’t want to see more innocents killed, but you want to kill the expensive appeals process that weeds them out.
if a guy kills somebody and admits it, then execute him…if it’s obvious that a person has murdered, then execute them…if a guy is pinned by various, even conflicting accounts and he has a reasonable alibi, but the jury convicts him, with no film, no confession, nothing but some other persons word and mixed circumstantial evidence, don’t execute him…pretty simple indeed
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:02:52pm |
My “Somebody To Love” audition
Youtube Video
Pretty fucking good.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:06:32pm |
re: #263 Killgore Trout
Dude did this last week at my Karaoke bar. Tore it the fuck up. That is excellent.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:06:35pm |
re: #262 albusteve
if a guy kills somebody and admits it, then execute him…if it’s obvious that a person has murdered, then execute them…if a guy is pinned by various, even conflicting accounts and he has a reasonable alibi, but the jury convicts him, with no film, no confession, nothing but some other persons word and mixed circumstantial evidence, don’t execute him…pretty simple indeed
Even simpler: keep the government out of the revenge business and don’t execute anyone. It’ll save the states money and prevent the unnecessary deaths of innocents. Besides, chances are that a real monster will either meet some prison justice (Dahmer) or spend the rest of his days in solitary (Manson, BTK).
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HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:07:22pm |
re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, how I hate the Ramones.
I’ve been practicing a new 2nd song for Karaoke Friday night.. I’ll be doing my birthday party that night at the Lodge…I’ve been working hard to do this song..
Youtube Video
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:10:26pm |
re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dude did this last week at my Karaoke bar. Tore it the fuck up. That is excellent.
I think what appeals to me most is that he’s a douchebag with a messy apartment with amazing talent. Probably annoys his neighbors alot too. There is talent all around us but few of us notice.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:10:33pm |
re: #261 Atlas Fails
Missed the qualifier. My apologies to DF.
No problem. Ron Paul was indeed the reason for the qualifier.
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:11:19pm |
re: #263 Killgore Trout
Love the “wrecked dorm room” for a studio!
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:12:17pm |
re: #265 Atlas Fails
Even simpler: keep the government out of the revenge business and don’t execute anyone. It’ll save the states money and prevent the unnecessary deaths of innocents. Besides, chances are that a real monster will either meet some prison justice (Dahmer) or spend the rest of his days in solitary (Manson, BTK).
that’s a reasonable point of view, I just don’t agree with it….
consider this…you capture a killer and he confesses to selling the hit that killed almost 3k innocent people…he did it and is proud of it…what possible good would it do anybody to allow this person to live?…I do not believe that killing him is immorale
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:12:17pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
LOL!
Imagine him living above you!
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sagehen Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:13:18pm |
re: #237 Gepetto
interesting, and something I didn’t know. It makes sense, as does much of Jewish law. If abortion is “required” does that leave no room for the wishes of the mother?
None whatsoever. Because she has existing relationships and responsibilities and obligations, and the community needs her alive and healthy more than we need a motherless newborn.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:13:47pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
I think what appeals to me most is that he’s a douchebag with a messy apartment with amazing talent. Probably annoys his neighbors alot too. There is talent all around us but few of us notice.
so true…support your local whatever
get off your ass and do it
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:14:15pm |
The real Freddie: somebody to love
Youtube Video
Namaste, y’all
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:16:45pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
I did catch myself thinking “The dude downstairs probably hates this guy.”
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jaunte Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:19:46pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:20:05pm |
re: #274 Killgore Trout
The real Freddie: somebody to love
[Video]
Namaste, y’all
He was a true talent. He never had the sheer power of some others like Mick Jagger, but Freddy Mercury compensated with an incredible ability to play to his strengths and devise unique songs for his band. His songs were musically complex yet singable, and that is quite an achievement.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:20:05pm |
re: #262 albusteve
if a guy kills somebody and admits it, then execute him…if it’s obvious that a person has murdered, then execute them…if a guy is pinned by various, even conflicting accounts and he has a reasonable alibi, but the jury convicts him, with no film, no confession, nothing but some other persons word and mixed circumstantial evidence, don’t execute him…pretty simple indeed
Not simple, simplistic. Confessions can be coerced and there isn’t a single form of evidence than can’t be faked, planted or misinterpreted with modern technology. The 100% certain situation is exceedingly rare and building an entire system around it just isn’t cost effective. The extra jury, prison, and security needs are built into the system. Look at the number of officers involved in the circuses today, they don’t come free, or even cheap. Executions rile up the rest of the prison population so that prisoners and corrections officers end up getting hurt or worse. Like torture it’s an exercise in venting rage, it’s not about being effective.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:22:24pm |
re: #270 albusteve
that’s a reasonable point of view, I just don’t agree with it…
consider this…you capture a killer and he confesses to selling the hit that killed almost 3k innocent people…he did it and is proud of it…what possible good would it do anybody to allow this person to live?…I do not believe that killing him is immorale
Very understandable. I’m just not comfortable with the government killing anyone. It’s tough sometimes (like in the hypothetical case you mentioned), but I just can’t condone the idea of the state deciding what is considered heinous enough and/or how much proof is necessary to execute somebody. Now, if your hypothetical murderer’s fellow inmates found out about his crimes and decided to take matters into their own hands, well, I’m not acting as a human shield ;)
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:24:10pm |
Supremes denied the stay. Davis is taking his last breaths… or did already.
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prairiefire Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:24:39pm |
Pearl Jam “Black” MTV Unplugged:Youtube Video
“I Know some day you’ll have a beautiful life, I know someday you’ll be a sun in somebody else’s sky, but why oh why couldn’t it beee meeeeee”
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:25:17pm |
re: #279 Atlas Fails
Very understandable. I’m just not comfortable with the government killing anyone. It’s tough sometimes (like in the hypothetical case you mentioned), but I just can’t condone the idea of the state deciding what is considered heinous enough and/or how much proof is necessary to execute somebody. Now, if your hypothetical murderer’s fellow inmates found out about his crimes and decided to take matters into their own hands, well, I’m not acting as a human shield ;)
I’m not at ALL comfortable with a government requiring its citizens to serve on a jury where the members of that jury might have to vote to kill someone. That bothers me, a lot. I could not do it.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:26:01pm |
re: #280 allegro
Supremes denied the stay. Davis is taking his last breaths… or did already.
Any idea what the final vote was?
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:26:41pm |
What gets me most about the conservative death penalty supporters is the cognitive dissonance. These are the same people who hate the government, who want a smaller, less powerful government that apparently tortures and kills people. One of these things is not like the other.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:26:56pm |
re: #283 Atlas Fails
I’m going to make the guess of 5-4.
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:27:35pm |
re: #283 Atlas Fails
Any idea what the final vote was?
They haven’t said. Just that the appeal was denied and the execution is proceeding.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:28:41pm |
re: #284 goddamnedfrank
What gets me most about the conservative death penalty supporters is the cognitive dissonance. These are the same people who hate the government, who want a smaller, less powerful government that apparently tortures and kills people. One of these things is not like the other.
But those people are disproportionately poor and brown, so it’s all kosher.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:30:10pm |
September 20, 2011: The U.S. Army leadership is upset at the recent award of the Medal of Honor (the highest American award for valor) to U.S. Marine Corps sergeant Dakota Meyer. The army generals don’t begrudge sergeant Meyer his medal, because he risked his life two years ago, for several hours, in order to save the lives of 24 Afghan and American troops trapped in an ambush. What disturbs the army leaders most is that Meyer was not alone while performing his heroic act. He had a companion, Army captain William Swenson, But Swenson has received no recognition from the army. That’s because Swenson has been vocal about why he and sergeant (then corporal) Meyer had to perform those heroic acts (of driving a vehicle into the ambush, grabbing survivors and shooting their way out, and doing it five times.) Before the two off them drove off on their suicidal mission. Swenson tried to get a nearby army headquarters to provide artillery and air support for the trapped men, but the officers on duty refused.
This was because a new general had taken over command of U.S. troops in Afghanistan three months earlier, and issued strict rules on the use of American firepower when there was any risk to Afghan civilians. This was part of an effort to reduce civilian casualties. Troops in Afghanistan, and everyone back home, were told that these new rules would not prevent American troops getting fire support if their lives were in danger. But for Meyer and Swenson, the restrictions were killing American troops (in this case, four marines and a soldier.) The closest American headquarters had maps showing the ambush taking place near a village, so there was great reluctance to use bombs or artillery.
Meyer and Swenson both subsequently left the military. But Swenson kept pressing the army to punish the officers at the nearby headquarters who repeatedly refused to provide any fire support for the trapped troops. If Swenson, Meyer and two other marines had not driven in, at great risk to themselves, over twenty U.S. and American troops would have died. The two other marines were awarded the Navy Cross (the second highest award). Swenson is believed to be up for a medal, but the army won’t say what, or when. The army has not punished anyone for refusing fire support, and apparently wishes the entire matter would fade away.
Read the whole thing.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:30:13pm |
re: #285 ProLifeLiberal
I’m going to make the guess of 5-4.
I’m sure staunch pro-lifers like Scalia and Thomas were advocating to preserve the sanctity of blah, blah, blah.
///necessary?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:31:07pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:32:43pm |
great article at cnn
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allegro Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:33:59pm |
I hate the death penalty. Hate it, hate it HATE IT. The guy may be guilty as sin but this feels terribly wrong.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:34:34pm |
re: #287 Atlas Fails
But those people are disproportionately poor and brown, so it’s all kosher.
Yes, but that too is simplistic. I think it’s more about fear, in this case it’s either fear of chaos or fear of being perceived as weak that in this case trumps fear of the government. It’s the same thing with Islamophobia, fear of the other that trumps, as long as the targeted population can be perceived as alien enough, granting the government clearly abusable authority over them is okay. As long as they remain the target.
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The War TARDIS Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:34:40pm |
re: #291 SpaceJesus
And here is where I duck out.
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Interesting Times Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:35:15pm |
re: #283 Atlas Fails
Any idea what the final vote was?
From dailykos.com
7:27 PM PT: According to multiple reports: after hours of waiting, SCOTUS has now denied the request for a stay of execution. No dissents.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:35:27pm |
re: #287 Atlas Fails
There are a bunch of deserving white guys out there. They could put a moratorium on DP for people of color for the next couple of years and still do a fine job of effectively reducing the carbon footprint of a bunch of deserving assholes.
Wouldn’t bother me.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:36:53pm |
re: #294 goddamnedfrank
Yes, but that too is simplistic. I think it’s more about fear, in this case it’s either fear of chaos or fear of being perceived as weak that in this case trumps fear of the government. It’s the same thing with Islamophobia, fear of the other that trumps, as long as the targeted population can be perceived as alien enough, granting the government clearly abusable authority over them is okay. As long as they remain the target.
You’re right, of course. It just seems a lot easier to support the death penalty/torture when few of the victims look like you.
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Pie-onist Overlord Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:37:01pm |
re: #214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
My bar for executions is set pretty high, to around the Jeffrey Dahmer level. But I won’t be shedding any tears tonight for that Jasper pos, either.
Jeffrey Dahmer was not executed. Well, not by the state, officially.
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:37:27pm |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was reading about the CT case- Home invasion? Somehow that term is weak in describing the ordeal of that family.
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:37:39pm |
re: #300 Alouette
He was killed, along with Jesse Anderson in prison
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:38:30pm |
re: #291 SpaceJesus
great article at cnn
[Link: religion.blogs.cnn.com…]
Hmm…. the Jesus of the Gospels (and not necessarily the same Jesus of the Sunday School lessons…) was an apocalyptic prophet notorious for his public criticism of religious leaders. I suspect he wouldn’t give a sh*t about the theatrics of the secular politicians.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:39:33pm |
re: #292 allegro
I hate the death penalty. Hate it, hate it HATE IT. The guy may be guilty as sin but this feels terribly wrong.
It does bother me, so long as the person is guilty. I see see executing a cop killer as ‘taking out the trash’, and it bothers me not at all.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:39:51pm |
re: #304 freetoken
true, but he would agree with the majority of the article which focuses on christian zionism and maybe most of the conclusions therein
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:40:16pm |
re: #288 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for that link, DF. As a former Army NCO that pisses me off.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:41:03pm |
re: #301 MicheleR
Was reading about the CT case- Home invasion? Somehow that term is weak in describing the ordeal of that family.
What a nightmare for that poor man. There should be a special place in hell reserved for the lawyers trying to demonize him and what’s left of his family, if it’s the case I’m thinking of.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:41:08pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
It does bother me, so long as the person is guilty. I see see executing a cop killer as ‘taking out the trash’, and it bothers me not at all.
Does it bother you that 7 of the 9 star witnesses have recanted their testimony in signed affidavits?
Does it bother you that they have accused the cops of pressuring them into IDing him as the killer?
Does it bother you that the only evidence they had was those witnesses?
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palomino Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:42:32pm |
re: #253 albusteve
I just pick on Nirv because I don’t like their music…I could have said Barry Manilow but nobody would disagree…I’m a big music fan and it’s all subjective…but that shit out of Seattle was just plain bad rock and roll
Really? How can you not love music about heroin addiction and suicide?Seriously, you can’t find anything by Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Screaming Trees, etc. that you like? I never thought it deviated that much from classic rock that it turned me off. Kind of a hard rock/metal mix with a punkier edge. If you’re not familiar with it, listen to Alice in Chain’s “Heaven Beside You” or Screaming Trees’ “Nearly Lost You”.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:42:51pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
It does not bother me, so long as the person is guilty. I see see executing a cop killer as ‘taking out the trash’, and it bothers me not at all.
Edit time expired. Geeze, way to step on your point.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:43:06pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
It does bother me, so long as the person is guilty. I see see executing a cop killer as ‘taking out the trash’, and it bothers me not at all.
Just curious, how do you square that with your Christianity?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:40
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:43:08pm |
re: #308 Atlas Fails
The wife, who had MS and the two daughters were killed the two criminals set a fire to cover their actions- the father survived
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:44:14pm |
re: #301 MicheleR
And I want those two (white) men dead yesterday.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:44:20pm |
re: #309 Varek Raith
Does it bother you that 7 of the 9 star witnesses have recanted their testimony in signed affidavits?
Does it bother you that they have accused the cops of pressuring them into IDing him as the killer?
Does it bother you that the only evidence they had was those witnesses?
I’m not sure I believe them. They’ve been under pressure since the trial to change their story, I’m sure.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:45:09pm |
re: #307 wlewisiii
Thank you for that link, DF. As a former Army NCO that pisses me off.
It angers me as well. Glad I could be informative.
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:45:48pm |
What bothers me is the idea that killing a cop is a worse crime somehow, as if your job makes you a more valuable human being.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:46:39pm |
re: #313 MicheleR
The wife, who had MS and the two daughters were killed the two criminals set a fire to cover their actions- the father survived
If I remember correctly, the wife worked at my university hospital before they moved to CT, and the husband is a grad. It’s been a rough month for me, but I can’t complain after seeing what this guy’s going through. How does he manage to pull himself out of bed every day? It’s just too sad.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:47:06pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
It does bother me, so long as the person is guilty. I see see executing a cop killer as ‘taking out the trash’, and it bothers me not at all.
It should bother you in this particular case Dark because the methodology and amount of evidence presence is highly suspicious.
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:47:41pm |
re: #317 windsagio
You know, my brother is a police officer in Florida, and he has said, in so many words, that he knew the risks of his job when he took it, he feels it is more of a crime to kill someone who was just living their life, and for whatever reason, became a victim
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:48:14pm |
re: #315 Dark_Falcon
I’m not sure I believe them. They’ve been under pressure since the trial to change their story, I’m sure.
So you’re not sure you believe them when they say the guy is innocent, but you’re willing to believe them for the purpose of getting the guy convicted….
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:49:15pm |
re: #322 jamesfirecat
Cops get away with a lot because of our instinctive trust of authority >>
The old variation is: Well he must’ve been guilty of some bad things or he wouldn’t have been a suspect in the first place!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:50:13pm |
re: #321 MicheleR
You know, my brother is a police officer in Florida, and he has said, in so many words, that he knew the risks of his job when he took it, he feels it is more of a crime to kill someone who was just living their life, and for whatever reason, became a victim
Your brother is probably not completely alone in how he feels.
Higher penalties for killing cops in the performance of their jobs is part of what we, as society, do as a “thank you” of appreciation for the job they do. That’s how I look at it, anyhow.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:51:37pm |
re: #319 Atlas Fails
The poor man has been in at the trial, daily. They did a feature on him on the “Today Show” this morning.
As I watched it, I thought, “He’s intentionally inflicting pain upon himself. I’m sure he feels responsible; as I would.”
I don’t imagine I’d ever be able to crawl out of the hell that my life would become.
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b_sharp Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:52:09pm |
re: #317 windsagio
What bothers me is the idea that killing a cop is a worse crime somehow, as if your job makes you a more valuable human being.
Cops are put in dangerous situations. Although authoritarians view cop killing as a worse crime, the punishment was made more severe as a means of lowering the danger for cops, not to make the crime look worse.
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b_sharp Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:53:03pm |
re: #323 windsagio
Cops get away with a lot because of our instinctive trust of authority >>
The old variation is: Well he must’ve been guilty of some bad things or he wouldn’t have been a suspect in the first place!
Authoritarian conservative.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:53:21pm |
re: #315 Dark_Falcon
I’m not sure I believe them. They’ve been under pressure since the trial to change their story, I’m sure.
I want a hell of a lot more evidence than what was provided in this case if we are to kill him. Everything rested upon witnesses who you yourself aren’t sure if they are making stuff up now.
This is just fucked up.
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Atlas Fails Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:53:34pm |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The poor man has been in at the trial, daily. They did a feature on him on the “Today Show” this morning.
As I watched it, I thought, “He’s intentionally inflicting pain upon himself. I’m sure he feels responsible; as I would.”
I don’t imagine I’d ever be able to crawl out of the hell that my life would become.
Honestly, I’d probably kill myself in his situation. I saw his mother with him at the trial, maybe he’s staying alive for her?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:55:23pm |
re: #329 Atlas Fails
Honestly, I’d probably kill myself in his situation. I saw his mother with him at the trial, maybe he’s staying alive for her?
I’d make it long enough to piss on those motherfucker’s graves before I made a decision.
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MicheleR Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:55:45pm |
re: #324 reine.de.tout
Probably and maybe it was founded in trying to make them less attractive as targets. He talked about the crime of killing a witness as being the most horrible, I remember awhile back, when a story came out about a young boy, who was a witness to a crime, was killed if I remember correctly it was in Rhode Island…not sure if that was a case that led to the change to make it a death penalty case to kill a witness…looking for the link, not finding it, anyone remember? I believe his mom was killed as well…
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:56:55pm |
re: #306 SpaceJesus
Well, I just don’t buy the premises in that article. For example, the writer says:
One of the reasons Jesus was crucified was because of his refusal to embrace a nationalist agenda.
That’s just ahistorical. Rome crucified people all over the empire, for the very reason that they were perceived to be a threat (nominally to the empire, but more practically to the person in power.)
As the story is told in the Gospels, Pilate killed Jesus along with the rabble rouses, and we know from other sources that Pilate would go up to Jerusalem at key times with his military to keep the peace.
Jesus was crucified thus explicitly for the opposite reason give b the writer of that article. Integrating the Gospel stories with what we know about the Roman rule of Judea: the Temple leaders portrayed to the Romans that Jesus was indeed one of the terrorists of the day and thus was worthy of the death penalty.
As near as I can tell from what limited information we have about the person, Jesus of Nazareth wouldn’t care for the nationalistic/political goals of either the Zionists or the Palestinian parties.
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:57:46pm |
re: #292 allegro
I hate the death penalty. Hate it, hate it HATE IT. The guy may be guilty as sin but this feels terribly wrong.
What he did to his victim was more wrong than what, we, as a society, did to him. I’ll take my beatings for this post.
And the fact that we can DISCUSS IT FREELY says a LOT about us as a society.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:58:56pm |
re: #334 Floral Giraffe
What he did to his victim was more wrong than what, we, as a society, did to him. I’ll take my beatings for this post.
You won’t get a anything but an upding from me.
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 7:59:19pm |
re: #333 freetoken
I’m not 100% sure, but I’d suspect that what the article (which I haven’t even read lol) is trying to say there is related to the bit where Pilate offered clemency to one of the people being executed, of the crowds choice.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:00:05pm |
re: #334 Floral Giraffe
What he did to his victim was more wrong than what, we, as a society, did to him. I’ll take my beatings for this post.
I think we need more proof that he actually did anything to the victim, because if we as a society condemned him to death for being in the wrong place at the wrong time… he’s got the short end of that stick for sure.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:00:29pm |
re: #322 jamesfirecat
So you’re not sure you believe them when they say the guy is innocent, but you’re willing to believe them for the purpose of getting the guy convicted…
I actually haven’t followed the case closely at all. I don’t have strong view one way or the other. I’ve followed event in the Middle East and in DC fairly closely, but this hasn’t really been a concern.
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:00:39pm |
re: #309 Varek Raith
Does it bother you that 7 of the 9 star witnesses have recanted their testimony in signed affidavits?
Does it bother you that they have accused the cops of pressuring them into IDing him as the killer?
Does it bother you that the only evidence they had was those witnesses?
Yes, this whole case stinks.
BUT
It has also had a full judiciary review.
So, we’ve done the best, that we as a society, know how to do.
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:01:20pm |
re: #334 Floral Giraffe
Seems precisely the same to me.
Actually no, what they’re doing in the case we’re talking about is substantially worse. They are in essence killing a man they know is innocent.
Even if it is the same, we have to hold society to a higher standard than the random guy on the street.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:01:23pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:01:56pm |
re: #340 Dark_Falcon
I actually haven’t followed the case closely at all. I don’t have strong view one way or the other. I’ve followed event in the Middle East and in DC fairly closely, but this hasn’t really been a concern.
Maybe you should start following things before you give a solid opinion on them then.
This isn’t just any death penalty case, like say Jared Loughner where there was a veritably orgy of evidence to prove the suspects guilt….
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:02:11pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:03:07pm |
re: #340 Dark_Falcon
So DF, anything interesting up in terms of crazies?
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:03:29pm |
re: #328 Varek Raith
They thought they were telling the truth, or so they said, at the original trial. I don’t know what to believe of them either. Would YOU change your testimony after many years, if you knew it would mean a man being put to death? You might think about it, differently.
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:03:50pm |
re: #341 Floral Giraffe
problem being that the system is the opposite of self correcting. If anything all they need to hear is that he was already found guilty.
In the case of OVERWHELMING evidence of innocence (ala WM3), they always try to cut a deal rather than have to admit they were wrong.
Edit: and its more that police can put people under INTENSE pressure to lie if they’ve decided they’ve got their man. It’s a lot easier to fold, especially if you can’t afford a ton of nice lawyers yourself.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:04:19pm |
re: #341 Floral Giraffe
Yes, this whole case stinks.
BUT
It has also had a full judiciary review.
So, we’ve done the best, that we as a society, know how to do.
A full review by a judiciary that has said it’s irrelevant if you are guilty or innocent, so long as procedure has been followed. IOW, according to Justice Scalia at least, we have a lawful evil judiciary.
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:04:42pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:04:59pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:05:23pm |
re: #342 windsagio
Actually no, what they’re doing in the case we’re talking about is substantially worse. They are in essence killing a man they know is innocent.
It’s not clear that he’s innocent, what’s clear is that there is all manner of reasonable doubt.
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:06:21pm |
re: #355 goddamnedfrank
good point, I overstated some.
change ‘is innocent’ to ‘shouldn’t have been convicted’. Point holds tho :p
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:06:51pm |
I just ink of Lisl Auman and the West Memphis 3 and get all crazy pisst.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:07:45pm |
Since it’s late, I’ve had a long day, and I’m really not in the mood for a death penalty debate, I’ll just leave this here:
See you all in the overnight thread. :)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:09:36pm |
re: #354 jamesfirecat
The Troy Davis case.
See this post to see why it’s in no way firm enough to warrant executing someone.
Horrible… simply horrible. The standard of evidence as set by the supreme court when the death penalty was reinstituted was even more firm than guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. What possible good does executing a most likely innocent man do for anyone?
This is state sanctioned murder for the sake of appearances. It is not the first or the last time such things have happened or will happen in America and it is an abomination.
From a religious view, this is the sort of shit that got Soddom and Gomorrah whacked.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:10:00pm |
re: #355 goddamnedfrank
And that is enough for me. I’m only 99% sure it was you? I’ll keep you behind bars. But I gotta be 100% to want to push the plunger.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:10:42pm |
re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote
From a religious view, this is the sort of shit that got Soddom and Gomorrah whacked.
Amen.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:11:08pm |
re: #331 MicheleR
Probably and maybe it was founded in trying to make them less attractive as targets. He talked about the crime of killing a witness as being the most horrible, I remember awhile back, when a story came out about a young boy, who was a witness to a crime, was killed if I remember correctly it was in Rhode Island…not sure if that was a case that led to the change to make it a death penalty case to kill a witness…looking for the link, not finding it, anyone remember? I believe his mom was killed as well…
I recall the story - the boy was only 8 or 9 years old. Can’t remember about his mom.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:12:05pm |
re: #327 b_sharp
Authoritarian conservative.
And usually a product of Birth of A Nation mentality. Some of them need to be reminded it wasn’t a documentary.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:12:50pm |
re: #362 Gus 802
Another day in the Death Cult.
Yeah that is the GOP… they love a cruel and very unforgiving Jesus that hates the poor and loves executions… They are wretched theocrats who are just as sick, bloodthirsty and ignorant as the jihadis they claim to hate. The smugness of judgement coupled with a hungry glint their soulless eyes.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:13:32pm |
re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote
From a religious view, this is the sort of shit that got Soddom and Gomorrah whacked.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:13:47pm |
re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote
Horrible… simply horrible. The standard of evidence as set by the supreme court when the death penalty was reinstituted was even more firm than guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. What possible good does executing an likely innocent man do for anyone?
This is state sanctioned murder for the sake of appearances. It is not the first or the last time such things have happened or will happen in America and it is an abomination.
From a religious view, this is the sort of shit that got Soddom and Gomorrah whacked.
In my mind the only time we should ever even consider the Death Penalty is those cases where the guy in question went on a shooting spree in the middle of a crowded area and got tackled/tazed into submission until the police arrived and there is security tape of him shooting the place up.
Since we’re not going to be getting very many criminals that dumb (and those that are probably get sent to the loony bin instead) which is why on principle we should probably just get rid of the Death Penalty.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:16:02pm |
re: #346 jamesfirecat
Maybe you should start following things before you give a solid opinion on them then.
Aww now where is the fun in that!!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:17:19pm |
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:18:03pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:18:27pm |
re: #370 jamesfirecat
I absolutely concur. I am not opposed to the death penalty in principle. I am opposed to it practice. The idea of executing an innocent is vastly more horrible to me than the idea of just locking up the probably guilty.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:21:10pm |
I thinking of writing up a Page on why I’m now a doomer… but anyway, this might be one of the exhibits:
Long-term trend in global CO2 emissions; 2011 report
After a 1 percent decline in 2009, global carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions increased by more than 5 percent in 2010, which is unprecedented in the last two decades. The industrialised countries that ratified the Kyoto Protocol, together with the non-ratifying USA emitted approximately 7.5 percent less CO2 in 2010 than in 1990 and collectively remain on target to meet the original Kyoto Protocol objective of a 5.2 percent reduction. However their efforts are increasingly hidden in the global picture as their share of CO2 emissions has dropped from two-thirds to less than half.
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Ryan King Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:23:50pm |
re: #263 Killgore Trout
My “Somebody To Love” audition
[Video]
Pretty fucking good.
Dude! He even looks like Freddy. Nailed it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:25:28pm |
re: #309 Varek Raith
Does it bother you that 7 of the 9 star witnesses have recanted their testimony in signed affidavits?
Doubtful
Does it bother you that they have accused the cops of pressuring them into IDing him as the killer?
Unlikely
Does it bother you that the only evidence they had was those witnesses?
Prolly not.
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Floral Giraffe Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:25:31pm |
With all of our “self awareness” as human beings, I find it revolting, what we can do to each other.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:26:07pm |
re: #378 laZardo
still, usually at least one or two procedural dissents
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windsagio Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:26:14pm |
re: #380 Floral Giraffe
heh, I think the problem is too much self awareness :p
(forgive the play on words)
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:26:57pm |
re: #380 Floral Giraffe
With all of our “self awareness” as human beings, I find it revolting, what we can do to each other.
We’re still technically animals living on instinct. We’ve just got complex-enough minds that we’ve either come up with ways to rationalize it (such as religion) as well as ways to be “creative” about it.
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Ryan King Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:28:17pm |
re: #375 freetoken
I thinking of writing up a Page on why I’m now a doomer… but anyway, this might be one of the exhibits:
I’ve not seen a study done, but has there been calculations as to ‘if we burn all fossil fuel known, what will ppm be?’
We’ve burned X tons this far, and have some to go.
It seems we’re resigned to having enough fuel to burn well past the ‘tipping point’ of 450ppm, but do we have enough to make it to 650ppm? Can we make it Venus here?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:28:35pm |
re: #321 MicheleR
You know, my brother is a police officer in Florida, and he has said, in so many words, that he knew the risks of his job when he took it, he feels it is more of a crime to kill someone who was just living their life, and for whatever reason, became a victim
I disagree. In my book, nobody’s life is worth more or less than another’s, regardless of what line of work they choose. I say the same thing to those jerking their knees about “cop killers” e_e. Law enforcement lives are not worth more than anyone else’s.
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Gus Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:29:15pm |
“I did not personally kill your son, father, or brother. I am innocent.” — Troy Davis
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:29:36pm |
re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote
If you like that, you should see one of my favourite pages:
Pity it’s closed.
Your quote from the first chapter of Isaiah reminded me of one of my favorite lessons, Micah 6:8.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:29:37pm |
re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote
So DF, anything interesting up in terms of crazies?
Mostly it’s just me working these days. My new event is finally picking up steam. I found my first sale of the month today, though tracking down the person who will take care of the needed forms may take a short time. So I now feel far more confident in having what was a tricky month be a success.
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Gus Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:30:26pm |
We have executions chambers.
We torture people.
We have people running for president in the name of God.
Welcome to the 15th century with an iPhone.
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:30:55pm |
re: #385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I disagree. In my book, nobody’s life is worth more or less than another’s, regardless of what line of work they choose. I say the same thing to those jerking their knees about “cop killers” e_e. Law enforcement lives are not worth more than anyone else’s.
“Value” is purely perceptive, to be blunt. We simply apply more quantitative measures to things of “value” that aren’t sentient.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:32:28pm |
re: #375 freetoken
I thinking of writing up a Page on why I’m now a doomer… but anyway, this might be one of the exhibits:
Yeah pretty grim.
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austin_blue Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:33:19pm |
re: #191 Charles
Did Mahmoud Abbas drop the Palestinian statehood bid or not? It’s amazing how much contradictory information is out there.
It’s a propaganda war and the media are not helping.
I think he’ll go for the non-member state option.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:35:16pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
We have executions chambers.
We torture people.
We have people running for president in the name of God.
Heh, you didn’t need three sentences, you could have written “We have people running for president in the name of God who execute and torture people.”
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:35:20pm |
Here’s the thing about “guilty enough to kill,” you can be 100% sure as an individual but for society the equation pretty much becomes asymptotic. We can approach the line but almost never quite get there. We bridge the gap by lowering our standards.
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Gus Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:36:08pm |
re: #393 freetoken
Heh, you didn’t need three sentences, you could have written “We have people running for president in the name of God who execute and torture people.”
My version is more poetic.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:36:24pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:37:28pm |
re: #384 BigPapa
I’ve not seen a study done, but has there been calculations as to ‘if we burn all fossil fuel known, what will ppm be?’
We’ve burned X tons this far, and have some to go.
It seems we’re resigned to having enough fuel to burn well past the ‘tipping point’ of 450ppm, but do we have enough to make it to 650ppm? Can we make it Venus here?
Yes such studies exist. But they are a little moot. The short form of it is that we are already on track to burn everything we can at a rate that exceeds night mare scenarios set down a decade ago. To be fair, we won’t be able to burn it all, because our entire civilization as we know it will collapse before then.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:38:12pm |
re: #393 freetoken
Heh, you didn’t need three sentences, you could have written “We have people running for president in the name of God who execute and torture people.”
Or he could have written we have republicans… but I liked his better… no offence.
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Four More Tears Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:38:34pm |
This ended exactly as Jesus would have wanted it to.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:39:37pm |
re: #376 SpaceJesus
hm. not a single dissent.
??? About? Pardon me for missing out… fill in a confused old physicist eh?
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:40:47pm |
re: #399 JasonA
This ended exactly as Jesus would have wanted it to.
I’m voting for Sword/Lake of Fire in 2012.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:41:39pm |
re: #384 BigPapa
…
It seems we’re resigned to having enough fuel to burn well past the ‘tipping point’ of 450ppm, but do we have enough to make it to 650ppm? Can we make it Venus here?
IMO the “450” figure is arbitrary.
The answer to the first question is “yes”, we can easily get to 650ppm by the end of the century, and more in coming centuries. The actually amount of hydrocarbon resources is hotly contested (see for example Yergin’s commentary that is stirring up the Peak Oil clusterfuck.)
The answer to the last question is “no”, because Venus and Earth are different planets and we are a water planet. However, that doesn’t mean we can’t pretty much create one of the biggest extinctions in Earth’s long history.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:42:01pm |
LVQ, reading that page of yours reminds me of a question for you. Do you know a good English language version of the Pirkei Avot for us Christian types? I see a few at Amazon but have no clue about translation quality, etc,
Thanks!
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austin_blue Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:45:09pm |
re: #384 BigPapa
I’ve not seen a study done, but has there been calculations as to ‘if we burn all fossil fuel known, what will ppm be?’
We’ve burned X tons this far, and have some to go.
It seems we’re resigned to having enough fuel to burn well past the ‘tipping point’ of 450ppm, but do we have enough to make it to 650ppm? Can we make it Venus here?
We’ve got about two centuries of fossil fuel left that is reasonably recoverable, given unknown unknowns and known knowns and projections
(thank you, Donald Rumsfeld!). The obvious question is “Then what?”, which the extraction industries answer with “grumble grumble grumble”.
Best guess, given the increasing use of coal around the world as an electric generating power source is around 550 ppm. But by then, the coasts will be trashed and the world will be in a global trade/food crisis.
The Long Emergency has begun.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:45:39pm |
re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote
If you like that, you should see one of my favourite pages:
Great page. I had to print it out so I can go over it in more detail. I also signed up for the class (and the Maimonides on Life one, too.) Good stuff!
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Ryan King Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:46:18pm |
re: #397 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes such studies exist. But they are a little moot. The short form of it is that we are already on track to burn everything we can at a rate that exceeds night mare scenarios set down a decade ago. To be fair, we won’t be able to burn it all, because our entire civilization as we know it will collapse before then.
I was hoping we’d run out before the earth turns to Venus. Sounds like we have more than enough to give it a good push there.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:46:24pm |
re: #403 wlewisiii
LVQ, reading that page of yours reminds me of a question for you. Do you know a good English language version of the Pirkei Avot for us Christian types? I see a few at Amazon but have no clue about translation quality, etc,
Thanks!
Go for Artscroll or just follow the link in the pages I provided to Torah.org
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:47:08pm |
re: #390 laZardo
“Value” is purely perceptive, to be blunt. We simply apply more quantitative measures to things of “value” that aren’t sentient.
True. Which is why I don’t share very many values with people who have a two-tiered view of humanity, in any form.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:47:13pm |
re: #406 BigPapa
I was hoping we’d run out before the earth turns to Venus. Sounds like we have more than enough to give it a good push there.
IT won’t be Venus exactly. It will be very very bad though. Billions will die is not hyperbole.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:47:39pm |
re: #405 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Great page. I had to print it out so I can go over it in more detail. I also signed up for the class (and the Maimonides on Life one, too.) Good stuff!
Are you in the Tribe?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:48:01pm |
re: #405 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And thank you!
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Ryan King Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:50:32pm |
Where I’m going, or what’s been bouncing around in my head the last few days, is the darkest of irony: will civilization collapse before it can push the C02 past the ‘tipping point’ if one exists, thereby potentially saving the species?
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laZardo Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:50:51pm |
re: #409 LudwigVanQuixote
IT won’t be Venus exactly. It will be very very bad though. Billions will die is not hyperbole.
Just as God intended.
//the “mark of christ” would be the RFID for the arcologies preserving what little is breathable
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:51:16pm |
re: #410 LudwigVanQuixote
Are you in the Tribe?
I am not; if I am by DNA I don’t know. My adoptive mother was part Jewish though, and let’s say her relation to her own Jewishness was extremely problematic, at best.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:53:01pm |
re: #412 BigPapa
Where I’m going, or what’s been bouncing around in my head the last few days, is the darkest of irony: will civilization collapse before it can push the C02 past the ‘tipping point’ if one exists, thereby potentially saving the species?
There are many tipping points to consider… The SO2 tipping point is the big one for that question. We don’t know.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:54:08pm |
re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote
Go for Artscroll or just follow the link in the pages I provided to Torah.org
Oy! That place is going to eat my time like it was candy. I’ll also snag a copy of the Artscroll edition too. Thanks!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:54:15pm |
re: #414 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I am not; if I am by DNA I don’t know. My adoptive mother was part Jewish though, and let’s say her relation to her own Jewishness was extremely problematic, at best.
I was just curious. I am sure you will enjoy the classes from Torah.org in any case and I would recommend them to anyone who was interested whatever their background..
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Interesting Times Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:54:41pm |
re: #409 LudwigVanQuixote
IT won’t be Venus exactly.
James Hansen has said it will, though that’s one thing I just can’t bring myself to accept. Granted, Venus was supposed to have had oceans at one point, which, due to the runaway greenhouse effect, boiled away. That’s why the air pressure on Venus is equivalent to what you’d find at the lowest ocean depths on Earth - boil that amount of water, and all its weight/volume in the form of water vapor winds up in the atmosphere (so the idiot denier meme that Venus got hot because of its dense atmosphere is ass-backwards - it’s the other way around. The greenhouse effect is what made that atmosphere so dense.)
Then again, Venus is a good deal closer to the sun than the Earth. Surely that made a difference at some point? I mean, even if we go all Permian extinction event, I’d like to at least keep the miniscule consolation that other life could spring up again on Earth some day :(
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Ryan King Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:55:10pm |
re: #409 LudwigVanQuixote
IT won’t be Venus exactly. It will be very very bad though. Billions will die is not hyperbole.
I have no doubt this is a pragmatic outlook, hyperbole it is not.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:56:43pm |
re: #414 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I am not; if I am by DNA I don’t know.
Heh, 23AndMe tests are only $99 now…
However, there is no such thing as “Jewish” DNA as it is pretty clear from what is known now that there has been a great deal of interbreeding throughout SW and W Eurasia.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:56:47pm |
re: #416 wlewisiii
Oy! That place is going to eat my time like it was candy. I’ll also snag a copy of the Artscroll edition too. Thanks!
Yeah it is an awesome site and very kosher - in the sense that the people who write it are serious Rabbaim who know their stuff. Start with the basics, and Avot is a great place to start. Their advanced stuff assumes a great deal of knowledge and requires a great deal of background to approach
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:58:19pm |
re: #418 publicityStunted
That is why I don’t think it will ever quite get to Venus levels (the difference in orbit, mass and make up). However, it is something of a moot debate, because all such things would happen after we as a species had been wiped out anyway.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:58:31pm |
re: #412 BigPapa
Where I’m going, or what’s been bouncing around in my head the last few days, is the darkest of irony: will civilization collapse before it can push the C02 past the ‘tipping point’ …
The world has many issues knocking down the door… future wars over resources could prove particularly nasty.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:59:38pm |
re: #420 freetoken
Heh, 23AndMe tests are only $99 now…
However, there is no such thing as “Jewish” DNA as it is pretty clear from what is known now that there has been a great deal of interbreeding throughout SW and W Eurasia.
Not quite so… There are certain genetic markers for the tribe. The Cohen markers are amongst the most famous.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:02:07pm |
re: #417 LudwigVanQuixote
I was just curious. I am sure you will enjoy the classes from Torah.org in any case and I would recommend them to anyone who was interested whatever their background..
I took some classes on Judaism in undergrad (Religion major, Religion in grad school, also.) My own background is actually the Rick Perry Religious Crankjob “Dominionist” set… by way of Methodism and a family of preachers, both parents included on my mother’s side….sigh, it’s complicated. Religion-watching hobbyist, these days. So I’m always looking for more to learn.
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Interesting Times Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:02:24pm |
re: #423 freetoken
The world has many issues knocking down the door… future wars over resources could prove particularly nasty.
Let’s say one of those wars goes nuclear. What do you think that would do the climate? I’m not sure how accurate the “nuclear winter” scenarios are, or how long they’d last (in the event of a localized war as opposed to all-out cold-war-nightmare armageddon)
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austin_blue Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:02:27pm |
re: #410 LudwigVanQuixote
Are you in the Tribe?
I’m not in the Red Sea Pedestrian tribe, I’m in the Mackerel Snapping, Mary Worshipping, No Irish Need Apply tribe (but retired from the Catholic bits).
Now, I am in the Science Believing Secular Humanist Deist tribe.
Can’t we all just get along?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:04:35pm |
re: #420 freetoken
Heh, 23AndMe tests are only $99 now…
However, there is no such thing as “Jewish” DNA as it is pretty clear from what is known now that there has been a great deal of interbreeding throughout SW and W Eurasia.
Pfft, mine was $250 a couple years ago…shoulda waited :/ I have enough Euro to send it somewhere else to find out some specifics, but I want specifics on it all. Well, as specific as it gets, anyway.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:05:59pm |
re: #428 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If you had 23andMe do a test a couple of years ago, did you have them retest the sample on their latest V3 chip? 750,000 regions ought to be enough to pinpoint just about any ancestry!
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prairiefire Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:06:01pm |
re: #424 LudwigVanQuixote
Not quite so… There are certain genetic markers for the tribe. The Cohen markers are amongst the most famous.
My cousin is half Levi, on his father’s side.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:06:05pm |
re: #427 austin_blue
I’m not in the Red Sea Pedestrian tribe, I’m in the Mackerel Snapping, Mary Worshipping, No Irish Need Apply tribe (but retired from the Catholic bits).
Now, I am in the Science Believing Secular Humanist Deist tribe.
Can’t we all just get along?
Well, as a high church Anglican, I tend to think we can. Everyone just needs to use more incense… ///
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:10:08pm |
re: #431 wlewisiii
Well, as a high church Anglican, I tend to think we can. Everyone just needs to use more incense… ///
Have you used Orthodox incense? I go to the big cathedral in SF to get mine and have little chats with the priests who work in the store. Nothing like it…
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:11:09pm |
re: #427 austin_blue
I’m not in the Red Sea Pedestrian tribe, I’m in the Mackerel Snapping, Mary Worshipping, No Irish Need Apply tribe (but retired from the Catholic bits).
Well, I’m in the Rape and Pillaging North-Sea-Faring Thor-worshipping tribe myself, and we didn’t get along with anybody for most of the time.
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prairiefire Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:12:23pm |
re: #433 freetoken
Well, until the 1200-1300’s and then they started to settle down. All my Scottish uncles look like Vikings.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:12:32pm |
re: #431 wlewisiii
Well, as a high church Anglican, I tend to think we can. Everyone just needs to use more incense… ///
Should also add - I almost converted to Anglicanism in the late 80s. One of the most memorable services I’ve ever been to was when Bishop Barbara Harris came to St. John’s in LA, a historic Black congregation, in 1989. That was some serious high church. And the most notable thing about her? She is short!
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:14:50pm |
re: #434 prairiefire
Many people don’t realize, even if they know about 1066, that the Normans were descendants (for the most part) of Vikings. So the British Isles had multiple inputs from the Norse.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:15:48pm |
re: #427 austin_blue
Hey I like Irish folks… Awesome music, mythologies, poetry and whiskey!
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:16:59pm |
re: #434 prairiefire
Well, until the 1200-1300’s and then they started to settle down. All my Scottish uncles look like Vikings.
It’s in my Irish and Welsh bloodlines too for some funny reason…
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:17:39pm |
re: #436 freetoken
Many people don’t realize, even if they know about 1066, that the Normans were descendants (for the most part) of Vikings. So the British Isles had multiple inputs from the Norse.
Norman shortened from Norse Man… And we can talk about king Robert of Sicily too if you want.
This is really cool. I never pictured you for a viking sort though… I love when web expectations are changed.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:20:44pm |
re: #439 LudwigVanQuixote
This is really cool. I never pictured you for a viking sort though…
Don’t worry, we were domesticated centuries ago.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:22:24pm |
re: #429 freetoken
If you had 23andMe do a test a couple of years ago, did you have them retest the sample on their latest V3 chip? 750,000 regions ought to be enough to pinpoint just about any ancestry!
I went with Ancestry By DNA. I should look into what they have going, these days.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:25:35pm |
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freetoken Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:27:48pm |
re: #441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I went with Ancestry By DNA. I should look into what they have going, these days.
If you go the 23andMe route, after paying the $99 up front one can also sign up for the $9/mo subscription that guarantees retesting when new chips come out, and allows one to put their results into the giant computer to find relatives, etc.
I’ve been thinking of doing that myself. While my Y line has 3 centuries of Norse in it I do know that the paternal namesake originated in the British Isles (an ancestor fled England for Norwat during the great intra-Christian upheaval). And, the mtDNA line probably traces back through the UK to the central or NW Europe, though that is quite unclear.
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Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
1 weeks ago
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 280 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
2 weeks ago
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
3 weeks ago
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
3 weeks ago
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
3 weeks ago
Views: 522 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
3 weeks ago
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
4 weeks ago
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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