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1 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:47:38pm

Fabulous picture. Palms and other primitive plants have such great structure to them.

2 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:48:53pm

You realize our fans will call you a tree hugger for that. Great photo.

3 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:50:30pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

You realize our fans will call you a tree hugger for that. Great photo.

Never could find a way to like hugging trees. Especially not when I ended up having a bunch of ants crawling all over me after the last attempt.

/

4 freetoken  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:50:47pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

Continuing on my pedant streak... I think it's actually a tree fern and not a palm... but yeah, Gaia worshipper for sure!!

PAGAN!!

5 freetoken  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:53:23pm

Could Romney unseat Obama?

Gallup: Majority now blame Obama for state of U.S. economy

For the first time in his term, a majority of Americans say that President Obamabears responsibility for the state of the U.S. economy, a new Gallup poll finds.

More Americans say former President George W. Bush is to blame, but that number is slowly dropping as Obama's is ticking upward.

The survey, conducted Sept. 15-18, found that 36% blame Bush "a great deal" and 33% blame him "a moderate amount." By comparison, 24% now blame Obama "a great deal" while 29% blame him "a moderate amount." That's a shift from an 18%/32% split in an April survey.

Romney dominates NH poll, well ahead of Perry

Mitt Romney may be tightening his grip on New Hampshire voters, despite tremendous buzz surrounding Texas Gov. Rick Perry in the nation's first presidential primary state and elsewhere.

The former Massachusetts governor now leads his nearest rival, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, by 27 points among likely New Hampshire voters, according to a Suffolk University-7News poll released Wednesday night. Perry finished far back, earning 8 percent compared with Romney's 41 percent. Paul took 14 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman received 10 percent to round out the top four finishers.

6 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:54:40pm

OK, I went & Wiki'd...

Arecaceae or Palmae (also known by the name Palmaceae, which is considered taxonomically invalid,[2] or by the common name palm tree), are a family of flowering plants, the only family in the monocot order Arecales. There are roughly 202 currently known genera with around 2600 species, most of which are restricted to tropical, subtropical, and warm temperate climates. Most palms are distinguished by their large, compound, evergreen leaves arranged at the top of an unbranched stem. However, many palms are exceptions to this statement, and palms in fact exhibit an enormous diversity in physical characteristics. As well as being morphologically diverse, palms also inhabit nearly every type of habitat within their range, from rainforests to deserts.

7 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:56:09pm

re: #5 freetoken

Could Romney unseat Obama?

Gallup: Majority now blame Obama for state of U.S. economy

Romney dominates NH poll, well ahead of Perry

I really don't know how I feel about it at this point. Of the GOP candidates, Romney would probably the one I could most stomach. But when you consider that he'd be little more than a puppet, pushed around by a Republican leadership that has become leashed to the Tea Party's whims, it'd be an utter disaster.

8 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:02:40pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #5 freetoken

It is a nightmare either way. Romney is at least not completely insane and not completely stupid. He is though a corporate stooge and everyone knows this.

9 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:06:03pm

Mandelbrot!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

10 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:06:25pm

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a nightmare either way. Romney is at least not completely insane and not completely stupid. He is though a corporate stooge and everyone knows this.

Exactly. It's basically deciding between nutjob religious fanaticism (Bachmann, Perry, etc.) or naked greed that hates the poor and middle class.

Thanks, but no. Both choices suck.

11 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:06:45pm

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

And the "good Christians" will oppose him mightily.
He does at least understand running a business.
I'm not a fan, but, well, he's better than Sister Sarah!

12 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:11:18pm

re: #5 freetoken

It's gonna be a GOP presidency in 2012, I can say that much.

13 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:11:25pm

re: #10 Lidane

I wrote before and I meant it:

I would vote for my dog Max, a cool pile of my dog Max's turds, the upside down skeleton of Mussolini and Charles Manson for president in that order, before any of these wretched, festering clots of GOP scum.

14 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:11:46pm

re: #12 laZardo

Please G-d no.

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:12:04pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

And the "good Christians" will oppose him mightily.
He does at least understand running a business.
I'm not a fan, but, well, he's better than Sister Sarah!

He understands running one well enough to by up other companies, bleed them dry, and then let them collapse into bankruptcy, while his walks away with 20 times the initial investment.

16 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:12:19pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Mandelbrot!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

17 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:13:37pm

re: #12 laZardo

For a number of reasons polls have a fairly strong conservative bias, and are kind of nonpredictive at this point anyways.

P'll put it up now, Its gonna be Romney/Obama, O wins.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:14:50pm

Sigh.

Tree hugging is actually a wilderness survival technique.

Lots of people freak out and panic when they realize they are lost. They'll run and scream and this is bad, because they'll become even more lost than before and be harder to find.

You are supposed to hug a tree when you first realize you are lost to keep from panicking. The physical reality of the tree is supposed to keep you from doing the random freak out.

I've never tested this out myself.

19 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:15:00pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #17 windsagio

Mind, I tend to be the type of extreme cynic that likes to believe nothing good will come out of something until it actually does.

That way, I'm never disappointed! :D

20 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:15:51pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

And, the moss grows on the north side of the tree, I was taught!

21 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:16:21pm

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #5 freetoken

It is a nightmare either way. Romney is at least not completely insane and not completely stupid. He is though a corporate stooge and everyone knows this.

I think the question in the R primaries will be whether the base will vote for a Mormon. Romney is obviously the most attractive candidate for "traditional" R's. But he wears Magic Underwear, which makes a *huge* number of the base molto nervoso. The TPers may jump sideways to Perry, even with his warts. The man has been, if anything, consistently hard right.

We'll see, but I'm not convinced the new rank and file will support Romney.

22 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:16:45pm

So I just found out why I have no hope in humanity.

It's not our failure to address global warming.

It's not the execution of Troy Davis on questionable grounds or conversely, ABB getting 20 years tops for 80 cold-blooded murders.

Hell, it's not even their bizarre obsession for My Little Pony.

It's...THIS.

giggity

23 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:16:52pm
24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:17:03pm

re: #20 Floral Giraffe

And, the moss grows on the north side of the tree, I was taught!

And if you bring a whistle, you can just blow it until they find you.

Unless, of course, you were dumb enough to go hiking without telling anyone where you were going, in which case you'd better start trying to figure out north or south.

25 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:17:19pm

AndrewBreitbart losing it again:

Said the liar: bit.ly/jSI0JY @Lizardoid Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar.

26 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:17:22pm

re: #22 laZardo

WUB and I have had this talk about how nothing is gonna change until some cities burn :p

And maybe not then

27 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:19:16pm

re: #21 austin_blue

I think the question in the R primaries will be whether the base will vote for a Mormon. Romney is obviously the most attractive candidate for "traditional" R's. But he wears Magic Underwear, which makes a *huge* number of the base molto nervoso. The TPers may jump sideways to Perry, even with his warts. The man has been, if anything, consistently hard right.

We'll see, but I'm not convinced the new rank and file will support Romney.

I personally think it will go to Perry. He has the right "folksy idiot" ring to him for the base.

28 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:19:59pm

re: #27 LudwigVanQuixote

It just about ALWAYS goes to 'next in line' and 'highest name recognition', that's how the GOP primary works.

Both of those are Romney.

29 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:20:01pm

re: #25 Charles

AndrewBreitbart losing it again:

Reason why the soon to be crushed by his lies about Sherrod master of slander and other lies is so upset at you?

30 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:20:27pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

Fabulous picture. Palms and other primitive plants have such great structure to them.

I don't know about palms, but the Gingko leaf is the exact opposite of fractal. Your typical broadleaf tree has a fractal vein structure. The gingko leaf doesn't. Each strand goes straight to the base of the leaf. Google please? Right. The petiole. I knew that. {not so much}

By analogy, palm fronds, too, wouldn't be fractal, if memory serves and palms evolved earlier than gymnosperm trees.

But it's a really nice photo and it has two or three iterations of a pattern so it's kind of sort of fractal. Good enough for purposes of characterizing a photo.

This pedantic nitpicking post now, mercifully, ends. Enjoy your photos, non-semi-autistics of the world. :-)

31 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:20:27pm

re: #28 windsagio

It just about ALWAYS goes to 'next in line' and 'highest name recognition', that's how the GOP primary works.

Both of those are Romney.

Yeah, save when it went to W. Bush...

32 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:21:08pm

re: #25 Charles

Oh goody. The more Breitbart flips his shit, the more I laugh.

If nothing else, he's entertaining. It's like watching a fat neckbeard douchebag gamer threaten to kick someone's ass for insulting their favorite game. Heh.

33 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:21:37pm

re: #25 Charles

I can't stand his page with the big photos of himself. What a self absorbed douche he is!

34 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:21:43pm

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

thus almost :p

Who was the heir apparent that time? I'd argue that Bush DID have the highest name recognition.

Edit: Even if they had him confused with his dad :p

35 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:21:50pm

re: #28 windsagio

It just about ALWAYS goes to 'next in line' and 'highest name recognition', that's how the GOP primary works.

Both of those are Romney.

That was true before Obama and before the GOP base completely flipped their shit.

These days? I'm not so sure.

36 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:21:52pm

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, save when it went to W. Bush...

He was a legacy pledge...

37 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:21:56pm

re: #32 Lidane

Oh goody. The more Breitbart flips his shit, the more I laugh.

If nothing else, he's entertaining. It's like watching a fat neckbeard douchebag gamer threaten to kick someone's ass for insulting their favorite game. Heh.

YOU SHOULD HANG OUT ON /v/.

You don't even need to pay subscription fees. ;)

38 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:22:25pm

Hey Andy, how is your defence doing? LIAR!

39 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:23:01pm

re: #21 austin_blue

I think the question in the R primaries will be whether the base will vote for a Mormon. Romney is obviously the most attractive candidate for "traditional" R's. But he wears Magic Underwear, which makes a *huge* number of the base molto nervoso. The TPers may jump sideways to Perry, even with his warts. The man has been, if anything, consistently hard right.

We'll see, but I'm not convinced the new rank and file will support Romney.

Agreed, while Romney polls well up in the Northeast and perhaps out Utah way and further West, Perry's more likely to carry everything between. He's not only "one of us" to the Bible-thumping crowd, but he's also pretty much camping on the very fringes of the far-Right.

Meanwhile, Bachmann's still self-destructing, Cain's a joke, Huntsman comes off as trying too hard, Santorum's a non-entity, and Crazy Uncle Ron is spending his political twilight once again tilting at windmills.

40 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:23:30pm

re: #5 freetoken

Could Romney unseat Obama?

Gallup: Majority now blame Obama for state of U.S. economy

Romney dominates NH poll, well ahead of Perry

Talk about counting chickens before eggs hatch. Romney is a long ways from sewing up the nomination, much less winning the general election. It isn't even for sure that Obama will be the Dem nominee. If he looks like he'd lose in the general election, there could well be a tussle for the nomination.

Those who know the future come in 10 varieties. The ones who lie, and the self-deluded.

(Binary joke.)

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:23:33pm

re: #25 Charles

haha that guy loves his twitter

42 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:23:47pm

re: #37 laZardo

YOU SHOULD HANG OUT ON /v/.

You don't even need to pay subscription fees. ;)

Before grad school, I was a pretty hardcore MMO gamer. The MMORPG.com boards provide plenty of fat, bitter neckbeards bitching about games for my entertainment needs. Hehe. ;)

43 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:24:17pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey Andy, how is your defence doing? LIAR!

eh, never mind link didn't work

44 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:24:42pm

re: #24 EmmmieG

Or, keep going down hill until you find water, the build cities along water, you will eventually find people, is what my hillbilly friends were taught!

45 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:25:28pm

re: #42 Lidane

Before grad school, I was a pretty hardcore MMO gamer. The MMORPG.com boards provide plenty of fat, bitter neckbeards bitching about games for my entertainment needs. Hehe. ;)

You should di/v/ersify. It's amazing to see what they get riled up and/or start trolling about.

EDIT: This season it's gonna be Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3. OH THE FIREWORKS

46 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:26:10pm

Ok, when did the neckbeard thing start spreading?

Used to be a pretty rare insult.

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:26:13pm

re: #42 Lidane

Before grad school, I was a pretty hardcore MMO gamer. The MMORPG.com boards provide plenty of fat, bitter neckbeards bitching about games for my entertainment needs. Hehe. ;)

oh god MMO beardos

48 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:27:09pm

re: #42 Lidane

Before grad school, I was a pretty hardcore MMO gamer. The MMORPG.com boards provide plenty of fat, bitter neckbeards bitching about games for my entertainment needs. Hehe. ;)

Fear the neckbeards

49 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:27:23pm

re: #46 windsagio

Ok, when did the neckbeard thing start spreading?

Used to be a pretty rare insult.

Technically it refers to fa/tg/uys where /tg/ stands for the "Traditional Games" board. Of course, the general mom's-basement-nerd category spreads over most of the *chan board categories.

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:27:43pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

Or, keep going down hill until you find water, the build cities along water, you will eventually find people, is what my hillbilly friends were taught!

Yep. Downhill. And don't eat white berries.

Wilderness survival was mandatory in our high schools.

51 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:27:57pm

re: #49 laZardo

WUB, XXX, and I have been making fun of neckbeards for like 15 years :p

/possessive

52 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:28:10pm

re: #50 EmmmieG

Yep. Downhill. And don't eat white berries.

Wilderness survival was mandatory in our high schools.

Well, unless it's those hybrid raspberries they sell in the farmer's markets now.

53 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:28:23pm

Fractal Palm Against Sky

don make me hallucinate mon

54 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:28:47pm

re: #40 lostlakehiker

Talk about counting chickens before eggs hatch. Romney is a long ways from sewing up the nomination, much less winning the general election. It isn't even for sure that Obama will be the Dem nominee. If he looks like he'd lose in the general election, there could well be a tussle for the nomination.

Those who know the future come in 10 varieties. The ones who lie, and the self-deluded.

(Binary joke.)

Yeah, I've heard about the far-Left grousing that they need to primary Obama, so that they can "force" him to run to the Left in order to secure the nomination or replace him with someone more to their liking.

Or, in other words, Nader and a couple dozen self-appointed "leaders" of the Left wish to commit political seppuku by making the DNC appear every bit as nutty as the GOP.

55 windsagio  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:28:49pm
56 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:29:43pm

re: #45 laZardo

You should di/v/ersify. It's amazing to see what they get riled up and/or start trolling about.

EDIT: This season it's gonna be Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3. OH THE FIREWORKS

Oh, that might be fun. The endless Guild Wars 2 vs. Star Wars: The Old Republic debates are getting tiring. Console fanboys are much more hilarious.

57 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:29:53pm

re: #45 laZardo

You should di/v/ersify. It's amazing to see what they get riled up and/or start trolling about.

EDIT: This season it's gonna be Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3. OH THE FIREWORKS

MW3? You mean the MW2 map-pack that they're selling for full price? Yeah, no thanks.

58 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:30:09pm

Huntsman is running for the 2016 nomination. He can't win this one, though he should. If, however, the Republicans nominate a hapless loser who finds a path to defeat, that might, just might, be a lesson to Republican primary voters: don't dumpster dive for candidates.

Huntsman speaks several languages, knows some science or at least recognizes that scientists know some science, and he's been ambassador to China.

One party rule never works for long. The temptations are just irresistible. Sooner or later, the Republicans are going to have a scandal to run against that's so juicy they're bound to win. When that day comes, there needs to be a grownup at the helm of the Republican party. Huntsman could be that grownup.

59 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:30:46pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

You realize our fans will call you a tree hugger for that. Great photo.

Who cares what those loons think?

Sorry I dropped out for a bit. i was doing lead research.

60 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:32:14pm

re: #56 Lidane

The console wars have pretty much died out. Now it's the PC "Master Race" vs. Consoles in general.

61 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:32:45pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Who cares what those loons think?

Sorry I dropped out for a bit. i was doing lead research.

Who researches lead? I mean, don't we pretty much already know everything about it? It's soft, heavy, and toxic is even moderate amounts. And if you're very daring, you use it in liquid form to cool your reactors.

///

62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:33:08pm

re: #58 lostlakehiker

Good luck getting the Fox Victory Mosque Dupes to vote for a grownup in this environment. You'll need it.

63 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:33:13pm

re: #60 laZardo

The console wars have pretty much died out. Now it's the PC "Master Race" vs. Consoles in general.

You mean the console game playing peasants vs. the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race?

64 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:33:29pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've heard about the far-Left grousing that they need to primary Obama, so that they can "force" him to run to the Left in order to secure the nomination or replace him with someone more to their liking.

Or, in other words, Nader and a couple dozen self-appointed "leaders" of the Left wish to commit political seppuku by making the DNC appear every bit as nutty as the GOP.

I was reading some crap from Nader just yesterday to that effect and I remember thinking that someday soon, old age will be very kind to the Democratic Party... :eek:

65 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:34:03pm

re: #50 EmmmieG

Yep. Downhill. And don't eat white berries.

Wilderness survival was mandatory in our high schools.

Going downhill and following streams is a bad idea. Gullies and ravines make the going treacherous.

Finding water, finding shelter from the elements, and improving it and marking up your vicinity so you can be found, now that's a good idea. You won't die of hunger any time soon. Most of us could last a month or two without food. Rescue rarely takes that long to arrive.

66 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:34:07pm

re: #64 wlewisiii

Nader is the reason for the Bush administration.

/ x:

67 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:34:23pm

re: #58 lostlakehiker

If, however, the Republicans nominate a hapless loser who finds a path to defeat

At the rate the GOP is going right now, this is a pretty safe bet, especially if they force a government shutdown again.

Huntsman speaks several languages, knows some science or at least recognizes that scientists know some science, and he's been ambassador to China.

He's also a rich Mormon who resigned his governorship to serve alongside the Seekrit Mooslim Kenyan Overlord that the GOP base hates beyond all reason.

Huntsman could be the grownup in the room if the GOP base wasn't made up of so many reactionary types that he'd have to pander to.

68 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:35:04pm

re: #64 wlewisiii

I was reading some crap from Nader just yesterday to that effect and I remember thinking that someday soon, old age will be very kind to the Democratic Party... :eek:

Yeah, apparently Nader's decided that he's no longer content to just play the third-party spoiler anymore and has graduated to orchestrating anarchy within the Dem ranks.

69 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:35:17pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Who cares what those loons think?

Sorry I dropped out for a bit. i was doing lead research.

You want either wheel-wieghts or Lyman #2. They heat treat the best.

70 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:35:31pm

re: #64 wlewisiii

I was reading some crap from Nader just yesterday to that effect and I remember thinking that someday soon, old age will be very kind to the Democratic Party... :eek:

I'm waiting for Nader to offer himself up as the noble sacrifice from the left to run against Obama. His ego won't allow for anything else.

71 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:37:41pm

re: #63 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You mean the console game playing peasants vs. the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race?

I always enjoy my buddies telling me that they have a bug in a game, I give them the fix and they ask "Does that work on my console?"

HAHAHA... no

72 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:38:33pm

re: #60 laZardo

The console wars have pretty much died out. Now it's the PC "Master Race" vs. Consoles in general.

Oh, that might be interesting. If the MMO beards aren't debating GW2 vs. SWTOR, they're whining about how "themepark" games (i.e., damn near every MMO out there) have pushed "sandbox" games like Star Wars Galaxies and Ultima Online to the verge of extinction. Or they're bitching about the "free-to-play" pay model that has been becoming more prominent.

An old fashioned PC vs. console flame war might be fun.

73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:39:11pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've heard about the far-Left grousing that they need to primary Obama, so that they can "force" him to run to the Left in order to secure the nomination or replace him with someone more to their liking.

So *stupid*. Those types will find anything to grouse about.

I love asking any of them, so um, when has that EVER worked??

And what name ya' got for 2012, DNC 12 is just a year away, tick-tock.

74 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:39:35pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always enjoy my buddies telling me that they have a bug in a game, I give them the fix and they ask "Does that work on my console?"

HAHAHA... no

I've had to give up PC gaming for awhile, as my computer's a virtual Cold War relic these days, which between the general march of time and some of my less intelligent efforts to boost its performance, has become totally shiite when trying to run anything more demanding than Minecraft.

75 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:39:55pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Who cares what those loons think?

Sorry I dropped out for a bit. i was doing lead research.

Does that mean you were trying to find a link between lead paint and Teapartyism?

As to our fans.. I don't mean the stalkers. Who cares about them? They were a lot of fun to mock for a while, Rodent could be so earnest...but all in all, they are too pathetic to keep my interest.

I mean our fans like the little Breitbart fanboyz, Hot Airheads and Atlas Sucked fanatics.

76 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:40:35pm

re: #72 Lidane

Oh, that might be interesting. If the MMO beards aren't debating GW2 vs. SWTOR, they're whining about how "themepark" games (i.e., damn near every MMO out there) have pushed the sandbox games like Star Wars Galaxies and Ultima Online to the verge of extinction. Or they're bitching about the "free-to-play" pay model that has been becoming more prominent.

An old fashioned PC vs. console flame war might be fun.

The stark hypocrisy of them bitching about the "free to play" model while simultaneously starting Team Fortress 2 hat-trading threads (one time initiated with an infamous Jewish caricature laden with TF2 hats in typical 4chan fashion) is downright hilarious.

77 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:40:37pm

re: #72 Lidane

Oh, that might be interesting. If the MMO beards aren't debating GW2 vs. SWTOR, they're whining about how "themepark" games (i.e., damn near every MMO out there) have pushed "sandbox" games like Star Wars Galaxies and Ultima Online to the verge of extinction. Or they're bitching about the "free-to-play" pay model that has been becoming more prominent.

An old fashioned PC vs. console flame war might be fun.

Of course, MMOs are no match for a good ole fashioned tabletop wargame.

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:41:11pm

Mmm. Yes. This will help.

Clinton likes Romney and Huntsman best of the group.

Of course, he doesn't actually want any Republicans to win, does he?

I mean, that would leave his wife free to run in 2016...

Am I a cynic?

[Link: www.deseretnews.com...]

79 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:41:13pm

re: #74 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've had to give up PC gaming for awhile, as my computer's a virtual Cold War relic these days, which between the general march of time and some of my less intelligent efforts to boost its performance, has become totally shiite when trying to run anything more demanding than Minecraft.

That would make my 2004 Dell laptop a goddamn survivor. It's had individual parts replace but no complete conkout yet.

80 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:41:42pm

re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote

Atlas Sucked

rotfl!

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:41:44pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, MMOs are no match for a good ole fashioned tabletop wargame.

Right. 'Cause there's nothing like a good 5 hour Risk game.

82 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:42:02pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've heard about the far-Left grousing that they need to primary Obama, so that they can "force" him to run to the Left in order to secure the nomination or replace him with someone more to their liking.

Or, in other words, Nader and a couple dozen self-appointed "leaders" of the Left wish to commit political seppuku by making the DNC appear every bit as nutty as the GOP.

Yeah... without them we would have had President Gore and a much much better world.

83 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:43:26pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, MMOs are no match for a good ole fashioned tabletop wargame.

That's what /tg/ is for.

Disclaimer: You will not get a virus by simply lurking. Some people like to rig PNG files to contain prank images, but that's about it. Often times the "virus" files are blatantly obvious - they contain instructions to run a javascript file. Above all, have fun! :D

84 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:43:41pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

Right. 'Cause there's nothing like a good 5 hour Risk game.

Risk? Thats not a wargame.

This is a table top wargame.

Image: 46001_sm-Warhammer%20World,%20Amazing%20gaming%20table.JPG

85 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:43:45pm

re: #80 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

rotfl!

Thanks... I think I am going to use Atlas Sucked a little more. It has just the right level of disgust, contempt and humor I want to convey.

86 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:43:50pm

re: #76 laZardo

The stark hypocrisy of them bitching about the "free to play" model while simultaneously starting Team Fortress 2 hat-trading threads (one time initiated with an infamous Jewish caricature laden with TF2 hats in typical 4chan fashion) is downright hilarious.

One of the greatest things I ever saw was a voiced PowerPoint presentation from an EA developer for Battlefield Heroes. When they offered virtual goods for sale, they got all these massive flame wars on their boards for it, so they decided to research the biggest flame warriors. Turns out they were the biggest consumers of virtual goods:

[Link: www.slideshare.net...]

It's 42 minutes long, but totally worth it.

87 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:44:27pm

re: #79 laZardo

That would make my 2004 Dell laptop a goddamn survivor. It's had individual parts replace but no complete conkout yet.

The only major problem I've had yet were of the HDD variety, this last time due to a corrupted BOOT file that forced me to do a total restore to factory-defaults. Unfortunately, I've not the money right now to afford even a cheap replacement, so I'm soldiering on until either the motherboard or video card expire (knock on wood) or until I can get a better paying job.

88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:44:34pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

Mmm. Yes. This will help.

Clinton likes Romney and Huntsman best of the group.

Of course, he doesn't actually want any Republicans to win, does he?

I mean, that would leave his wife free to run in 2016...

Am I a cynic?

[Link: www.deseretnews.com...]

Hillary will be almost 70 in 2016. I don't think she'll run.

89 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:46:31pm

re: #87 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I hear you. I'm planning to build my own PC (hopefully one for $1000ish that won't be obsolete in 2 years) and then get a netbook for the "outside." All I gotta do is save up for that. D:

90 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:47:24pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Risk? Thats not a wargame.

This is a table top wargame.

Image: 46001_sm-Warhammer%20World,%20Amazing%20gaming%20t able.JPG

That? That's what? A couple of hours?

This is is a board game:
[Link: www.boardgamegeek.com...]

Image: pic433510.jpg

:lol:

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:47:47pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Risk? Thats not a wargame.

This is a table top wargame.

Image: 46001_sm-Warhammer%20World,%20Amazing%20gaming%20t able.JPG

Please tell me that the person that built that either had a lot of help, or was a medical shut-in.

92 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:47:56pm

re: #88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hillary will be almost 70 in 2016. I don't think she'll run.

I don't think she wants to run.
She has certainly done her service to the country.

93 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:48:34pm

re: #91 EmmmieG

Or, had lots of small children to help?

94 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:49:00pm

re: #91 EmmmieG

Please tell me that the person that built that either had a lot of help, or was a medical shut-in.

Its usually a team job.

95 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:49:00pm

re: #92 Floral Giraffe

I don't think she wants to run.
She has certainly done her service to the country.

Yep. She gave up on the Oval when she accepted State.

96 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:49:07pm

re: #90 wlewisiii

I remember when SSI made computer games on the hexagon system.

Had Panzer General 2 once until the disc literally shattered in the disc drive.

;_;

97 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:49:26pm

re: #93 Floral Giraffe

Or, had lots of small children to help?

I'm beginning to think that if there is a "gaming" gene, evolution is working against it.

98 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:49:43pm

re: #89 laZardo

I hear you. I'm planning to build my own PC (hopefully one for $1000ish that won't be obsolete in 2 years) and then get a netbook for the "outside." All I gotta do is save up for that. D:

Well, there's a third option, which would be to try to rebuild my sister's recently discarded PC into a working one, as it's three years younger than my own. Problem is, it was discarded because both the motherboard and video card burnt out. Really, by the time I spent the money to replace those, I'd be pretty close to a bargain-basement PC anyway.

99 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:51:00pm

re: #97 EmmmieG

I'm beginning to think that if there is a "gaming" gene, evolution is working against it.

Nope, it can pass down.

100 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:51:08pm

re: #98 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, there's a third option, which would be to try to rebuild my sister's recently discarded PC into a working one, as it's three years younger than my own. Problem is, it was discarded because both the motherboard and video card burnt out. Really, by the time I spent the money to replace those, I'd be pretty close to a bargain-basement PC anyway.

There was a couple-months-old magazine in my apartment lobby advertising net-PCs (or net-tops?) you can build for $300. O_O

101 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:51:42pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, it can pass down.

If there is hope, it must lie with the gamers. - George Orwell

/well, he should have said that

102 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:52:16pm

re: #100 laZardo

There was a couple-months-old magazine in my apartment lobby advertising net-PCs (or net-tops?) you can build for $300. O_O

I'm not looking for a netbook, I'm looking for a PC capable of playing at least the most recent games. There are so many New Vegas mods out there that I'd love to play around with, but I'm stuck to the console right now.

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:52:36pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, it can pass down.

Whoever built that set-up has a girlfriend?

104 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:52:52pm

re: #101 laZardo

If there is hope, it must lie with the gamers. - George Orwell

/well, he should have said that

Thats science!

Gamers solve molecular puzzle that baffled scientists

105 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:53:19pm

re: #102 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm not looking for a netbook, I'm looking for a PC capable of playing at least the most recent games. There are so many New Vegas mods out there that I'd love to play around with, but I'm stuck to the console right now.

That's probably going to be a four-digiter then. D: There should be some guides somewhere on the best stuff to get for X-amount-of-money.

106 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:53:50pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats science!

Gamers solve molecular puzzle that baffled scientists

And then hacked into the servers when they realized they wouldn't get individual recognition.

//

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:54:17pm

Gotta go splat. G'night all!

108 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:55:25pm

re: #103 EmmmieG

Whoever built that set-up has a girlfriend?

Obviously you've never heard of one of the most feared armies of the 40th millennium, the Hello Kitty Sisters of Battle.

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:56:08pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously you've never heard of one of the most feared armies of the 40th millennium, the Hello Kitty Sisters of Battle.

I stand corrected.

110 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:57:15pm

re: #105 laZardo

That's probably going to be a four-digiter then. D: There should be some guides somewhere on the best stuff to get for X-amount-of-money.

I'm mostly aimed at getting a pre-built PC, because I have neither the skill nor the patience to construct one myself. And the only friend I know who has both, I haven't spoken to in roughly a year.

111 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:59:10pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MOTHER OF GOD.

...

:3

112 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:59:37pm

now that i have a wide scream teevee, i can finally appreciate the really amazing mis en scene of rebel without a cause

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:59:41pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously you've never heard of one of the most feared armies of the 40th millennium, the Hello Kitty Sisters of Battle.

...

*facepalm*

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:59:49pm

re: #110 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm mostly aimed at getting a pre-built PC, because I have neither the skill nor the patience to construct one myself. And the only friend I know who has both, I haven't spoken to in roughly a year.

We have never bought a pre-built. Mr. EmmmieG builds them all.

The funny part is the way he talks to me about it as if I would know. As if I have any idea what he's talking about.

115 laZardo  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:00:19pm

brb dinner

in the meantime warm your hearts with this

116 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:00:44pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK, I just bookmarked that.
It inspires me, every time you post it.

117 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:02:23pm

re: #61 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Who researches lead? I mean, don't we pretty much already know everything about it? It's soft, heavy, and toxic is even moderate amounts. And if you're very daring, you use it in liquid form to cool your reactors.

///

SMACK!

118 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:02:43pm

re: #114 EmmmieG

We have never bought a pre-built. Mr. EmmmieG builds them all.

The funny part is the way he talks to me about it as if I would know. As if I have any idea what he's talking about.

Well, the other part of it is that I have no real confidence in my skills. I've worked on PCs before and even took an A+ class some years back. But I pretty much like the assurance that, if the first time I turn on my PC, the magic smoke comes billowing out, I can box it up and take it back rather than trying to figure out where I screwed up and just how much money I'm out.

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:03:13pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously you've never heard of one of the most feared armies of the 40th millennium, the Hello Kitty Sisters of Battle.

And how do they do against the Chaos Marines?

120 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:03:24pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, MMOs are no match for a good ole fashioned tabletop wargame.

I can't do the whole tabletop wargame thing. I don't have anything against it, but my idea of tabletop gaming is a good game of Settlers of Catan or Carcassonne. Or the Munchkin games.

A tabletop wargame would have me threatening to strangle people just to move things along faster. Heh.

121 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:05:08pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

And how do they do against the Chaos Marines?

Not too bad. They're just as shooty, not quite as tough, but they have some other abilities.

122 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:06:23pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not too bad. They're just as shooty, not quite as tough, but they have some other abilities.

I bet they're good at distractions.

123 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:09:45pm

All this talk about gaming has got me wanting to get back to work and finish Deus Ex...hmm, maybe later today.

124 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:11:26pm

re: #122 EmmmieG

I bet they're good at distractions.

Nuns with flame throwers can have that effect.

125 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:12:08pm

Hey laZardo, "Show email".

126 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:12:55pm

My previous comments notwithstanding, Ludwig, you do seem to have gotten "Dorkus" to fixate on you again. He's posting his venom as usual. It's not important, though, just lame.

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:17:26pm

I'm going to turn in. Goodnight all.

128 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:31:14pm

Sigh.
I'm now babysitting an 8 week old kitteh.
Help me!
:P

129 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:33:21pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

Get out some string, wear out the little one!

130 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:33:28pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

Sigh.
I'm now babysitting an 8 week old kitteh.
Help me!
:P

Want help? Here, easy enough: Acknowledge it as your god, pledge to do everything in your power to make it happy, and promise swift death to its enemies.

//

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:37:05pm

Hey all!

How is the night going?

132 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:40:08pm

re: #129 Floral Giraffe

Get out some string, wear out the little one!

She finally went to sleep.

How do I get dragged into these things?!?!
I got to stop being so nice!
:)

133 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:40:45pm

re: #130 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Want help? Here, easy enough: Acknowledge it as your god, pledge to do everything in your power to make it happy, and promise swift death to its enemies.

//

Sounds like some good BDSM!

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:41:50pm

So, a good friend of ours (hubby and I) started talking to me today about end-times bullshit. He was serious about it.

I told him I thought it was a Protestant thing because we RC weren't into it.

Not taking the hint, he kept going.

I finally said that I was taught that Free Will negated pre-determination (prophecy).

I mean, really, when someone you like and respect brings up this BS, how do you handle it?

135 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:43:28pm

re: #134 ggt

Ignore it, offer to talk of other things.
I my case, I pulled my car off the highway & explained we could either change the subject or he could walk home.
That did the trick!

136 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:43:37pm

re: #133 Floral Giraffe

Sounds like some good BSDM!

It's what I've been trained to recite in the presence of my cats. What they don't know is I know they're plotting to get rid of me. But little do they realize that the electric can-opener is broken and without opposable thumbs, the hand-operated opener is useless to them. Now we'll see who gets the last lau...*Carrier Lost*

137 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:45:25pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's what I've been trained to recite in the presence of my cats. What they don't know is I know they're plotting to get rid of me. But little do they realize that the electric can-opener is broken and without opposable thumbs, the hand-operated opener is useless to them. Now we'll see who gets the last lau...*Carrier Lost*

ZERG RUSH!

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:45:49pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's what I've been trained to recite in the presence of my cats. What they don't know is I know they're plotting to get rid of me. But little do they realize that the electric can-opener is broken and without opposable thumbs, the hand-operated opener is useless to them. Now we'll see who gets the last lau...*Carrier Lost*

Yeah, you learned that Humans are the other white meat, didn't you?

LOL

139 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:47:02pm

My sister's previous cat knew the sound of a can opener.
He'd come barreling into the kitchen, "WHERE'S THE TUNA!!!"

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:47:13pm

re: #135 Floral Giraffe

Ignore it, offer to talk of other things.
I my case, I pulled my car off the highway & explained we could either change the subject or he could walk home.
That did the trick!

I couldn't ignore, I had to confront it.

I just wanted to scream.

141 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:48:46pm

re: #133 Floral Giraffe

Sounds like some good BDSM!

Having cats is pretty good training for BDSM, since the kittehs are in charge and aren't afraid to draw blood to reinforce the point. ;)

142 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:50:35pm

THEN on my fb is another friend warning against Gardasil.

WTF?

I felt surrounded.

143 Lidane  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:50:46pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

My sister's previous cat knew the sound of a can opener.
He'd come barreling into the kitchen, "WHERE'S THE TUNA!!!"

Both of my cats know the sound of a tuna can opening.

Any time I make something with tuna, I have to use two cans, just so I can drain them both into two separate bowls and give the cats the water to drink.

144 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:51:34pm

re: #141 Lidane

Having cats is pretty good training for BDSM, since the kittehs are in charge and aren't afraid to draw blood to reinforce the point. ;)

Yeah, they quickly make it clear who owns who in the relationship. And if you think you're the one in charge, they're quick to correct that line of thought.

145 freetoken  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:52:12pm

re: #134 ggt

I mean, really, when someone you like and respect brings up this BS, how do you handle it?

Show him the tattoo on the back of your neck that says "666"?

146 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:52:49pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

My sister's previous cat knew the sound of a can opener.
He'd come barreling into the kitchen, "WHERE'S THE TUNA!!!"

He also knew the sound of whip cream being sprayed.
That cat would eat anything and love it.

147 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:53:10pm

re: #143 Lidane

Both of my cats know the sound of a tuna can opening.

Any time I make something with tuna, I have to use two cans, just so I can drain them both into two separate bowls and give the cats the water to drink.

I don't even have to open the can. I can just pick up a tuna can and tap on it a few times and they come a-runnin'. I have to admit I've been evil a time or two, using that trick to get them out in the open long enough to catch them and cram them in a cage for vet appointments.

148 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:53:55pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't even have to open the can. I can just pick up a tuna can and tap on it a few times and they come a-runnin'. I have to admit I've been evil a time or two, using it that trick to get them out in the open long enough to catch them and cram them in a cage for vet appointments.

Would you like to be buried or cremated???
/

149 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:54:24pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't even have to open the can. I can just pick up a tuna can and tap on it a few times and they come a-runnin'. I have to admit I've been evil a time or two, using it that trick to get them out in the open long enough to catch them and cram them in a cage for vet appointments.

My Cat Overlord hasn't been to the vet for 2 years.

I swear he overhears me make the appointment and watches the calendar. On that day, he does his temporal quantum entanglement schtick and literally disappears.

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:55:20pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

Would you like to be buried or cremated???
/

Cremated, then my ashes mixed with black powder and shot out of a cannon.

Hey, if it was good enough for Hunter S. Thompson, it's good enough for me!

/

151 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:55:28pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

My sister's previous cat knew the sound of a can opener.
He'd come barreling into the kitchen, "WHERE'S THE TUNA!!!"

you are in possession of fish


FISH BELONGS TO CATS!!!!!

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:55:56pm

It is important to remember that your CAT is not a domesticated animal.

He/she is purely a wild animal that chooses to oversee your life.

BE THANKFUL!

153 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:56:46pm

re: #152 ggt

It is important to remember that your CAT is not a domesticated animal.

He/she is purely a wild animal that chooses to oversee your life.

BE THANKFUL!

My ghost cat agrees.
I miss her.
:)

154 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:57:37pm

re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Cremated, then my ashes mixed with black powder and shot out of a cannon.

Hey, if it was good enough for Hunter S. Thompson, it's good enough for me!

/

That is so awesome!

I want to be cremated and buried under an old oak tree. With my grave clearly marked.

I must have druidic genes because I figure my "essence" will melt with the tree's and people can come talk to us for years to come.

:)

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:58:14pm

re: #153 Varek Raith

My ghost cat agrees.
I miss her.
:)

Still haunting you?

156 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:58:31pm

re: #149 ggt

My Cat Overlord hasn't been to the vet for 2 years.

I swear he overhears me make the appointment and watches the calendar. On that day, he does his temporal quantum entanglement schtick and literally disappears.

Our three have differing scales of frustration. The eldest cat, who's also the smallest, is pretty easy. Just scoop her up, guide her into the cage, and off you go.

The second eldest, our big grey tomcat, is almost as easy. But he also knows the sound of a cat carrier opening and bolts for cover immediately.

Our youngest, another big grey furball (though this one female) jumps if you move at her at anything more than a crawl, so catching her is always a joy. Tried to catch her once just by myself and spent 20 minutes doing so before my dad showed up and we corralled her.

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 10:59:37pm

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Our three have differing scales of frustration. The eldest cat, who's also the smallest, is pretty easy. Just scoop her up, guide her into the cage, and off you go.

The second eldest, our big grey tomcat, is almost as easy. But he also knows the sound of a cat carrier opening and bolts for cover immediately.

Our youngest, another big grey furball (though this one female) jumps if you move at her at anything more than a crawl, so catching her is always a joy. Tried to catch her once just by myself and spent 20 minutes doing so before my dad showed up and we corralled her.

LOL

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:00:24pm

Monster Puppy is gone on his 3-state show tour for 4 days. Cat Overlord is not pleased. He was not consulted.

I think he is bored without he puppy to mess with.

Older dogs seem relieved.

159 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:02:07pm

re: #157 ggt

LOL

Even worse, the youngest also has sleek, glossy fur, meaning she can slide out of anything other than a death grip. And she can move at an appreciable fraction of the speed of sound, so even for two people, it's a chore to catch her.

160 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:03:33pm

re: #159 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Even worse, the youngest also has sleek, glossy fur, meaning she can slid out of anything other than a death grip. And she can move at an appreciable fraction of the speed of sound, so even for two people, it's a chore to catch her.

I can usually get mine to appear by taking out the slicker brush--somehow he knows when it is moved.

Not when it is vet visit time tho.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:05:06pm

Did I tell you-all that Monster Puppy ate my Bluetooth?

162 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:06:15pm

re: #160 ggt

I can usually get mine to appear by taking out the slicker brush--somehow he knows when it is moved.

Not when it is vet visit time tho.

This one spends most of her time trying to avoid human contact anyway. Our eldest two cats we adopted off the street, and both of them came to us, so they're not afraid of us. Our youngest was given to us by a neighbor, who had in turn received her from their elderly mother who had been raising the cat for roughly a year. So this cat is totally neurotic, though she's slowly mellowing out as time goes along.

163 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:08:46pm

re: #161 ggt

Did I tell you-all that Monster Puppy ate my Bluetooth?

Lol.

164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:09:31pm

re: #161 ggt

Did I tell you-all that Monster Puppy ate my Bluetooth?

rotfl

I love Monster Puppy.

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:14:37pm
166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:15:34pm

re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

rotfl

I love Monster Puppy.

I love him too.

I just don't likeliving with him very much most of the time.

167 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:16:47pm

Well, I must be off as well. Anyone needs me, I'll be in my bunk.

168 Kragar  Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:43:03pm
169 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:01:01am
170 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:01:54am

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia puts convict to death despite protest

Thats really crappy. There seemed to some serious issues with that case.

171 laZardo  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:02:50am

re: #169 BigPapa

PaulBot can't talk his way out of a DUI

They featured that on an episode of Attack of the Show.

Then they clipped the "RON PAUL!" soundbite and played that randomly throughout the episode afterwards.

XD

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:04:08am

Sweet Dreams all!

I leave you with a peaceful song.

173 laZardo  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:17:11am
Like one out of every four people in our country today, this man weighs more than he should. If he loses those excess pounds - brings his weight down to normal and keeps it there - he will look and feel better. Furthermore, he will probably live longer. Statistics show that if weight is more than 10 per cent above normal, life expectancy is usually reduced about twenty per cent.

- Met Life ad, March 1949

174 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:00:03am

re: #165 ggt

Did anyone hear Crazy Pam's head explode?

Dang, and a day after DADT repeal, too.

Sux to be a socon, I guess.

175 treasured people  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:02:41am

Just for the record: the plant pictured is not a palm.
It's an Australian tree fern.

176 freetoken  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:02:55am
177 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:45:49am

Tea Partiers: Light Rail an Invitation to Al Qaeda
Guess we shouldn't build tall buildings.
Or nuclear plants.
Or reservoirs.
Or airplanes.
Or boats.
Or, ah fuck it, we shouldn't live, you know, terrorists might git us.
Or something.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:49:51am

re: #177 Varek Raith

That's a stupid idea anyway. You can't make a rail out of light!

179 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:50:59am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's a stupid idea anyway. You can't make a rail out of light!

Lol.
Thanks, I feel better now.

180 freetoken  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:54:22am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, you can't make a political party out of tea either, but that's not going to stop them from trying.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:56:42am

I was so afraid I'd have insomnia this morning, I couldn't sleep at all.

182 Alexzander  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:04:40am

Amusing glitch over at RedState:

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

It looks like some admin posted the daily "Morning Briefing" over and over again. There are 12 of them on the front page! hehehe.

Also - a very Christian first story of the day over there: "There is No Travesty of Justice in Georgia." Stay classy, Erik Son of Erik.

183 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:09:45am

re: #182 Alexzander

Amusing glitch over at RedState:

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

It looks like some admin posted the daily "Morning Briefing" over and over again. There are 12 of them on the front page! hehehe.

Also - a very Christian first story of the day over there: "There is No Travesty of Justice in Georgia." Stay classy, Erik Son of Erik.

Their server probably has hiccups.
;)

184 Alexzander  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:13:12am

re: #183 Varek Raith

Heh yeah. I cannot access any of the diaries either. I scrolled through older pages and found that the "morning briefing" has been posted at least 30 times. Someone might get fired.

185 researchok  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:18:42am

Morning, all

186 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:19:30am

re: #184 Alexzander

Heh yeah. I cannot access any of the diaries either. I scrolled through older pages and found that the "morning briefing" has been posted at least 30 times. Someone might get fired.

Redstate fall down and go BOOM!
-Tweety

187 freetoken  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 2:41:45am

re: #186 Varek Raith

188 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:02:43am

Morning people!

189 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:05:47am

re: #182 Alexzander

.....
Also - a very Christian first story of the day over there: "There is No Travesty of Justice in Georgia." Stay classy, Erik Son of Erik.

It's entirely possible that Davis did kill a cop but there is sufficient reason for doubt. IMO, unless they're 100% positive they shouldn't be giving someone the needle.

190 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:06:58am

'Morning, all. I see Georgia has opened an execution gap with Alabama. Don't worry, we're about to come from behind:

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

191 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:08:59am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all. I see Georgia has opened an execution gap with Alabama. Don't worry, we're about to come from behind:

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

On the positive side of the death penalty, Texas did kill a guy that deserved worse than he got.

192 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:16:53am

re: #191 RogueOne

On the positive side of the death penalty, Texas did kill a guy that deserved worse than he got.

No, Texas gave him what he wanted--I quoted Brewer last night saying he preferred death to life in prison. He should have been deprived of that, to protect the fairly rare innocent convict.

193 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:26:23am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

No, Texas gave him what he wanted--I quoted Brewer last night saying he preferred death to life in prison. He should have been deprived of that, to protect the fairly rare innocent convict.

When I said he got better than he deserved I meant they should have strapped him to the back of a state highway dept. truck and dragged him across the state. I'm not necessarily against the DP (the planet would be better off with some people not on it), I just don't trust our judicial system enough to believe only the truly guilty get the DP. In this case, Brewer was truly guilty.

194 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:28:12am

re: #193 RogueOne

When I said he got better than he deserved I meant they should have strapped him to the back of a state highway dept. truck and dragged him across the state. I'm not necessarily against the DP (the planet would be better off with some people not on it), I just don't trust our judicial system enough to believe only the truly guilty get the DP. In this case, Brewer was truly guilty.

We're close on this--just answered on your link.

195 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:34:43am

re: #194 Decatur Deb

We're on the same boat I think. I'm not pro-life, If I could trust our system enough to only execute those that we know are 100% guilty I would actually be in favor of expanding the list of crimes that deserve the needle. I think rapists should get the needle, same with those that abuse kids. When it comes down to it I'm a blood-thirsty bastard but I know our system is fucked up and not even close to 100% accurate.

196 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:36:45am

re: #195 RogueOne

We're on the same boat I think. I'm not pro-life, If I could trust our system enough to only execute those that we know are 100% guilty I would actually be in favor of expanding the list of crimes that deserve the needle. I think rapists should get the needle, same with those that abuse kids. When it comes down to it I'm a blood-thirsty bastard but I know our system is fucked up and not even close to 100% accurate.

We would arrive at the same place by different paths. Ultimately I've little taste left for philosophy.

197 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:42:55am

I was on the road yesterday so I missed this little bit of good news:

The Orange County District Attorney's Kelly Thomas Hearing [Breaking: Two Officers Charged with Second and Third Degree Murder]
[Link: reason.com...]

The prosecutor goes into detail what they believe happened and ends with:

Thomas' numerous please of "I'm sorry," "I can't breathe," "Help," "Dad," were all to no avail. Kelly Thomas not responding when the blows to his face occurred? No help. The growing pool of blood? No help. Ramos is charged with murder for creating this dangerous situation that placed KElly Thomas' life in jeopardy and for placing the responding officers in that situation.

Ramos had to know he was creating a situation where Kelly Thomas would fear for his life. Ramos knew that the other officers would come to his aid and assist in applying force to Kelly Thomas. Ramos knew when he did that that Kelly Thomas was going to be hurt. Badly hurt.

The cause of death was mechanical suppression of the thorax. Kelly Thomas could not inhale. Over time his brain was deprived of oxygen. He went into a coma and died. That is the primary cause of death.

It falls so fall short of professional police conduct.

2:22 p.m. Reporter asks if more charges will be filed. Rackauckas says he doesn't think so. Ramos and Cicinelli will be arrained at 2 p.m. PST today. No trial team has been selected. Rackauckas will be lead prosecutor.

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 3:59:29am

Morning honcos.
If you asked me to come in Tuesday for an interview with two different people, press one.
If you asked me to come back yesterday to interview with three more people, press two.
If you mentioned that you had a few more interviews to do after yesterday's meeting "and we'll give you a call soon" please press FUCK OFF.

199 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:00:31am

The OC Weekly write-up:

Murder Charge, Counts Against 2 Cops in Kelly Thomas Beating Case
[Link: blogs.ocweekly.com...]

At his arraignment this afternoon, which the Weekly's Marisa Gerber attended, a handcuffed Fullerton Police Officer Manuel Ramos pleaded not guilty to felony second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter charges in the beating death of Kelly Thomas.

Held in lieu of $1 million bail, Ramos then had his arraignment continued to Monday in Judge Erick Larsh's Orange County Superior Court courtroom in Santa Ana.

Police Corporal Jay Cicinelli also pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter and use of excessive force in the unarmed homeless and mentally ill man's death. Cicinelli was not in cuffs as he'd already posted a $25,000 bond. He has a pre-trial hearing scheduled for Nov. 4.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:22:35am

Jesse Jackson is a douche.
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

201 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:28:31am

Pole dancer sparks outrage in Muslim community after taking erotic art to Saudi
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Image: article-2040064-0E05194200000578-601_468x597.jpg

Worst bachelor party ever.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:30:19am

“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I wonder if she includes the 50% of people who pay little or no taxes.

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:42:38am

Need proof that Hollywood has run out of good ideas?
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

205 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:54:39am

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I wonder if she includes the 50% of people who pay little or no taxes.

A loaf of bread in my town's below-the-line neighborhoods carries a 9% sales tax. That's paid by people who don't make enough to pay Fed income taxes. State income tax starts at 11,000 per year.

206 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:55:28am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

You guys pay taxes on food stuffs?

207 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:55:59am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

A loaf of bread in my town's below-the-line neighborhoods carries a 9% sales tax. That's paid by people who don't make enough to pay Fed income taxes. State income tax starts at 11,000 per year.

I thought food items are not taxed.

208 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:57:31am

re: #206 RogueOne

re: #207 Alouette

And medicine. I just checked with my spender.

209 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:58:19am

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Does your state have an Income tax? If so, you're getting screwed!//

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:59:03am

re: #204 Alouette

Ahava forced to close London store after threats and intimidation.

I am going to buy a bunch of Ahava stuff.

According to the landlord, the noisy protests outside the shop have led to many complaints from nearby store owners, who say their sales have been badly affected by the riots.

“On some Saturdays it was a real nightmare being here,” says a salesman in a nearby store. “We couldn’t walk on the street because of the protests and the area looked like a scene of a terrorist attack.”

Got a permit to protest? No? Arrest them.

211 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:59:14am

re: #208 Decatur Deb

re: #207 Alouette

And medicine. I just checked with my spender.

Holy shit, you're right. Alabama taxes food.

212 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:59:45am

re: #209 RogueOne

Does your state have an Income tax? If so, you're getting screwed!//

Yes, on incomes as low as 11,000 per year last I looked. Someone has to buy the drugs for tonight's execution.

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:02:12am

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Yes, on incomes as low as 11,000 per year last I looked. Someone has to buy the drugs for tonight's execution.

Do people actually pay taxes or do they get huge refunds like people with federal taxes?

214 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:03:30am

re: #211 Alouette

Holy shit, you're right. Alabama taxes food.

We have very low property taxes, if you own property. Teachers send home wish lists at the beginning of the semester, for things like toilet paper.

215 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:05:13am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do people actually pay taxes or do they get huge refunds like people with federal taxes?

Don't know offhand, but I very much doubt it. We're practical that way.

216 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:06:03am

re: #202 re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder if she includes the 50% of people who pay little or no taxes.

You mean those "social parasites" who are still under 18 or over 65 or otherwise unable to work and help others earn a profit which can be taxed?

You mean those shiftless folks who pay only sales taxes on the goods they purchase from the money they make at their minimum-wage jobs?

The point is that even the most individual success story is a couunal effort (if I dare use a term that sounds like "communism") here.

It is not about "redistribution of wealth", it is just a matter of paying for services rendered: those who benefit the most should pay a greater share, especially those who benefit from a stable and functioning legal and physical infrastructure, those who benefit from having the US military there to protect access to their resources, as well as an education system.

217 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:07:41am

Morning Lizardim.

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:07:51am

re: #216 ralphieboy

yes. Thanks for palying.

219 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:10:27am

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Don't know offhand, but I very much doubt it. We're practical that way.

My sister was an illegal alien in Canada for years before she got resident status. She got about 8K a year in "Baby Bonus" because her children were dual citizens and her hubby was Canadian.

220 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:10:40am

The trick, you see, is to get the Yankee government to send a lot of Federal relief dollars to our shiftless classes, you know the ones who collect my garbage, then we tax them when they try to eat. We've had a lot of time to work this out.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:11:23am

re: #191 RogueOne

"Kill him a lot."
Amilyn, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

222 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:12:56am

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Kill him a lot."
Amilyn, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

I love that show. My wife and I are working are way through it again on Netflix.

223 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:20:37am

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did ya see Sofia last night on Modern Family, effin hilarious last night.

224 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:20:49am

re: #17 windsagio

For a number of reasons polls have a fairly strong conservative bias, and are kind of nonpredictive at this point anyways.

P'll put it up now, Its gonna be Romney/Obama, O wins.

If it's Romney V. Obama, Obama loses big. If it's Obama V. Perry then it's a different story.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:20:49am

re: #222 RogueOne

Yeah, but I was talking about the movie. Never watched the show; loved the movie. Don't know why, but I think it was Paul Reubens.


226 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:21:47am

re: #223 Shropshire_Slasher

Did ya see Sofia last night on Modern Family, effin hilarious last night.

both episodes were great. Much better than "The Middle" opener.

227 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:24:14am

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but I was talking about the movie. Never watched the show; loved the movie. Don't know why, but I think it was Paul Reubens.

[Video]

I liked both. Admit it, it was Luke Perry that did it for you. You did hear they're doing a remake (without Whedon) didn't you?

228 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:24:20am

re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar

My sister was an illegal alien in Canada for years before she got resident status. She got about 8K a year in "Baby Bonus" because her children were dual citizens and her hubby was Canadian.

It would be very hard for an American to believe the Italian mandatory maternity leave system. (And hard for me to describe--it's complex, like all Italian money rules.)

229 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:24:29am

re: #226 RogueOne
The red headed guy had to "butch up"
heh

230 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:25:20am

re: #227 RogueOne

Back then, I'd switch, right now? not so much
/

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:26:36am

re: #229 Shropshire_Slasher

Red headed guy is really gay, fat boy is straight.

"ACTING!"
-Master Thespian

232 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:26:49am

WASHINGTON, Pa. -- Police have charged a man in western Pennsylvania with driving drunk twice in the same night – the second time about 15 minutes after they released him into the custody of a friend.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This has to be some kind of record.

233 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:27:56am

re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Red headed guy is really gay, fat boy is straight.

"ACTING!"
-Master Thespian

The Chubby one was in Bad Teacher. He didn't have a whole lot of lines but he was funny.

234 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:29:04am

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

WASHINGTON, Pa. -- Police have charged a man in western Pennsylvania with driving drunk twice in the same night – the second time about 15 minutes after they released him into the custody of a friend.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This has to be some kind of record.

That's the second story like that I've heard this month. In IN they don't release you until they decide you're sober. I think that might be a better policy.

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:29:04am

re: #227 RogueOne

Well, I didn't know who Whedon was, so, nope!

236 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:29:34am

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I didn't know who Whedon was, so, nope!

I don't think I like you anymore....

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:30:29am

re: #234 RogueOne

That's the second story like that I've heard this month. In IN they don't release you until they decide you're sober. I think that might be a better policy.

In Florida it's a mandatory 8 hours in jail even with bail.

238 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:32:33am

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

WASHINGTON, Pa. -- Police have charged a man in western Pennsylvania with driving drunk twice in the same night – the second time about 15 minutes after they released him into the custody of a friend.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This has to be some kind of record.

With friends like that...

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:35:49am

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar
Guy was taken by the cops to the Emergency Room who was released because he was too drunk to go to jail. Little while later? He go boom.

Salem police say a drunk driver who caused a crash that cut power to more than 2,000 customers was too drunk to go to jail early Sunday morning.

[Link: www.kptv.com...]

240 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:35:59am

re: #238 Varek Raith

With friends like that...

A good friend will bail you out of jail. A best friend is the guy sitting in the cell next to you saying, "Dude, that was AWESOME!"

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:36:22am

re: #236 RogueOne

What? He's some kind of writer type?

242 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:37:58am

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw that. Here, unless you hit .30 on the breathalyzer, jail. Dude was .24 or so.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:38:41am

re: #223 Shropshire_Slasher

Did ya see Sofia last night on Modern Family, effin hilarious last night.

There's a Sofia collection at KMart now. Guess I'm going to KMart. Just sitting there, staring at her poster.

244 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:39:07am

Dog is demanding two walks each day, now. I think my wife put him up to it. BBL.

245 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:39:20am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I might have to get the wife some of the Sofia Stank!

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:42:10am

re: #226 RogueOne

The girl (Sue) on The Middle as a duplicate of my wife from her teenage years. Looks; clothes she wears: personality... Uber Dork.

I enjoy the show for that reason. My wife even sees it. Says, "Oh, gosh that's me."

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:50:09am

Gimme my fucking hot sauce!!!
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

248 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:51:52am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What? He's some kind of writer type?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

If you haven't seen Dr. Horrible's Sing-A-Long Blog, find it. It used to be on Netflix but I'm not sure it still is.

249 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:58:23am

re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gimme my fucking hot sauce!!!
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

CRAWFISH!
'Sovereign Citizen' Opens Fire On Store Because It Ran Out Of Crawfish

A 'sovereign citizen' in Pensacola, Florida allegedly opened fire at a seafood market after learning that they had run out of crawfish.

42 year-old Larry Wayne Kelly allegedly fired upon the L&T Seafood Market with an AK-47 from the window of his pickup truck, after he was told they had sold out of crawfish on Sunday.

250 freetoken  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:00:26am

Good grief, I didn't realize there is another "debate", today!

I wonder when they'll run out of questions?

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:01:01am

re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar

Read that yesterday. See? I don't know what to do with a guy like that. He's a bad actor; always will be. Nobody gonna fix him.

We need an Island of Misfit Toys or sumthin' like it...

252 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:01:20am

Time to hit the shop and the gym. Today is my Friday so enjoy the weekend people!

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:01:45am

re: #249 Varek Raith

I actually tried to get crawfish for a party around then. None in the state and WAY to much to get them delivered. No one was injured. (and FWIW, I could have gotten some with a one day notice)

254 freetoken  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:03:35am

BTW, I see that in PaleoPat's new (Sept 20/21) column ("Whose Country Is It, Anyway?") he is openly referencing VDARE (approvingly, of course.)

It ran over at Townhall, and no one even blinked over there.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:03:35am

re: #250 freetoken

Good grief, I didn't realize there is another "debate", today!

I wonder when they'll run out of questions?

Right until after the election. Then they'll "no comment" the fuck out of us.

256 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:06:48am

re: #250 freetoken

Good grief, I didn't realize there is another "debate", today!

I wonder when they'll run out of questions?

Questions? Were they asking questions?

Wolf Blitzer might well have had a tattoo across his forehead that read "I HEART TEA PARTY."

Those were damn softballs, not questions.

257 freetoken  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:08:33am

BTW, one comment over at Townhall in PaleoPat's latest piece said:

Conservative abroad Wrote:
Sep 20, 2011 3:42 AM

It's great that Pat mentions the VDare website in his article. They are the most knowledgable about the immigration problem we have. Mass immigration is the biggest problem we have as a nation. [...]

Gee, commenters over at Townhall lovin' them some VDARE... who would have guessed?

258 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:29:40am

Another day in this crazy world.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:30:55am

re: #257 freetoken

Iran had a good idea. Arrest illegals as spies and then get a million a head for their return!
/

Friend of mine was in a business (wire transfer) that relies solely upon illegal aliens (or whatever the politically correct term is)... he called me a few weeks ago looking for a job. Said the business has died.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:32:26am

re: #258 Gus 802

Another day in this crazy world.

Yes, yes it is. But if things weren't crazy, we'd all get bored and off ourselves.

261 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:32:37am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Iran had a good idea. Arrest illegals as spies and then get a million a head for their return!
/

Friend of mine was in a business (wire transfer) that relies solely upon illegal aliens (or whatever the politically correct term is)... he called me a few weeks ago looking for a job. Said the business has died.

Hmmm. I should start my own country. Arrest American visitors as spies and make millions!

//

262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:33:10am

re: #261 Gus 802

Hmmm. I should start my own country. Arrest American visitors as spies and make millions!

//

PROFIT!

263 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:34:19am

re: #262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

PROFIT!

We could call it Big Oil Tyranny.

//

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:34:53am

re: #260 thedopefishlives

Yes, yes it is. But if things weren't crazy, we'd all get bored and off ourselves.

In USA America? The government off you!

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:36:03am

If I don't get moving I'm gonna have a whole can of "late" today.

We'll see you guys if'n I get a break.

266 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:38:29am

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In USA America? The government off you!

In Texas, anyway.

267 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:39:58am

re: #260 thedopefishlives

Yes, yes it is. But if things weren't crazy, we'd all get bored and off ourselves.

I was born bored.

268 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:40:15am

re: #266 thedopefishlives

In Texas, anyway.

And Georgia.

269 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:41:24am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Geller's at it again, this time trying to get hateful anti-Muslim advertising on MTA buses and trains as a counter to anti-Israel advertising.

The thrust of her group's advertising? That Muslims are savages.

Not some Muslims. Not Islamic terrorists.

Muslims.

Her justifications ring hollow and while she says that this is a free speech issue, it's also a hate speech issue and she's testing the bounds of incitement and hate speech in the process, and the MTA advertising guidelines as well.

270 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:44:39am

Hello muddah, hello faddah,
Here I am at Camp Granada.
Camp is very entertaining,
And they say we'll have some fun if it stops raining!

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:46:25am

Dow -335

272 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:46:31am

re: #269 lawhawk

greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Geller's at it again, this time trying to get hateful anti-Muslim advertising on MTA buses and trains as a counter to anti-Israel advertising.

The thrust of her group's advertising? That Muslims are savages.

Not some Muslims. Not Islamic terrorists.

Muslims.

Her justifications ring hollow and while she says that this is a free speech issue, it's also a hate speech issue and she's testing the bounds of incitement and hate speech in the process, and the MTA advertising guidelines as well.

I have to admit, I've been sitting here for about 5 minutes trying to find words to express how inexcusably stupid her idea is. She's like a little child - "They said something bad about my friend Israel, so now I'm going to say something bad about their friend Islam. Nanny-nanny-boo-boo."

273 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:48:48am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Dow -335

SNAFU

274 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:49:47am

I went hiking with Joe Spivey,
He developed poison ivy.
You remember Lennard Skinard,
He got ptomain poisoning last night after dinner!

275 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:51:43am

re: #273 Gus 802

The global economic system is FUBAR. It's a global VFUS

276 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:55:45am

re: #275 lawhawk

The global economic system is FUBAR. It's a global VFUS

Yep. One of the reasons I laugh at the notion of a Republican president being able to change much of anything. This is a global crisis. Right now it's looking like a "global sell off." When the Greek debt crisis causes the DOW to nose dive that should be a big hint for people.

277 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:57:23am

re: #275 lawhawk

The global economic system is FUBAR. It's a global VFUS

Is the global economy a Ponzi scheme?

278 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:59:24am

Oh, and the Palestinians? They're backing off the supposed deal to delay announcing statehood at the UN, and they're busy blaming the President for backing Israel and killing the peace process.

Right. Just another bit of projection on their part - the Palestinians blame everyone but themselves for their predicament. Diplomats willingly submit to this pseudoreality and engage in diplomatic actions without admitting that Israel lacks a partner in peace.

We'd just have to ignore all the Palestinian statements about ultimately eliminating Israel and using a 2-state solution as a means to that ultimate end. We'd have to ignore the calls for ethnically cleansing Palestinian controlled territory.

We'd have to ignore that Palestinians and pro-Palestinian politicians can be elected to the Israeli Knesset and rise to top positions, but the Palestinians would refuse to allow Jews to live in Palestinian controlled territory at all.

But the blame rests on the President? Hardly.

The President can be faulted though for thinking he could interject himself into the failed peace process - even with the best intentions - the Arab Israeli conflict is as intractable as ever precisely because Israel lacks a partner in peace.

279 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 6:59:35am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Dow -335

And gold is way, way down. Biggest drop in some time. $1729 this am.

[Link: www.kitco.com...]

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:02:33am

re: #278 lawhawk

The people commonly referred to as Palestinians are truly masters of the deceptive art. Propaganda schools probably teach a history of the Israeli-Arab conflicts in their curriculum as a model mass propaganda campaign.

281 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:04:57am

re: #277 publicityStunted

Well, yes and no. The problem with the economy is so much of it has been made up of financial instruments. Much of the 'wealth' in the world isn't backed up by anything-- I'm not talking about GOLD but I mean no actual wealth got created.

Some jerk figures out an equation that lets people create tons of weird securities and get loans off of them-- money gets created, by the process of that loan, but there's no real wealth. In fact, there's anti-wealth-- the security is actually going to contribute to a meltdown.

A real 'correction' would shrink the world economy by a true amount. If all the things that actually have negative value but are treated like wealth-- like tobacco companies, for example-- sheesh. I don't even know what it would do. Just implode.

282 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:11:12am

Must. Get. To. Work. Hard. Work like, Kryptonite.

//

283 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:11:47am

re: #281 Obdicut

Well, yes and no. The problem with the economy is so much of it has been made up of financial instruments. Much of the 'wealth' in the world isn't backed up by anything-- I'm not talking about GOLD but I mean no actual wealth got created.

Some jerk figures out an equation that lets people create tons of weird securities and get loans off of them-- money gets created, by the process of that loan, but there's no real wealth. In fact, there's anti-wealth-- the security is actually going to contribute to a meltdown.

A real 'correction' would shrink the world economy by a true amount. If all the things that actually have negative value but are treated like wealth-- like tobacco companies, for example-- sheesh. I don't even know what it would do. Just implode.

It's a lovely collective delusion isn't it. Much like how much the markets and economy run on consumer confidence (perception) rather than any sort of true reality. If we think things are rosy then we spend and potentially make it so - an interesting sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Carry that over into other areas or smaller scales and it looks a lot like a confidence scheme in a lot of ways. (There's trouble in River City!)

284 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:13:04am

re: #283 oaktree

It's a lovely collective delusion isn't it. Much like how much the markets and economy run on consumer confidence (perception) rather than any sort of true reality. If we think things are rosy then we spend and potentially make it so - an interesting sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Carry that over into other areas or smaller scales and it looks a lot like a confidence scheme in a lot of ways. (There's trouble in River City!)

Upding for The Music Man reference. Love that one.

285 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:14:34am

OK. Later folks. Remain calm! The Titanic was built not to sink!

"Women and children last!"

//

286 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:19:08am

re: #285 Gus 802

Fun labor history fact:

Every member of the crew of the Titanic was paid right up until the moment of its sinking. After that, no matter if they were attempting to save passengers in a lifeboat, they weren't paid for it. And of course no medical expenses were paid for. And if they accepted any money from any of the passengers as a thank-you for having saved them, they were deemed to be corrupt and evil and shunned from society for having taken a bribe.

Fun times! Let's do that again. Let's go back to when, after a ferry sank in Lake Michigan, a court ruled that the families were entitled only to payment from the worth of the ferry at that point-- the ferry that was sitting on the bottom of the lake. So they each got about $20 per dead husband/father. And of course the funeral expenses were not paid for by the company either.

Let's pretend like the competition between labor and capital is a fair one, and ignore reality.

287 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:19:09am

re: #285 Gus 802

OK. Later folks. Remain calm! The Titanic was built not to sink!

"Women and children last!"

//

Captain Zapp Brannigan: That's for schoolgirls. Now here's a course with some chest hair.
[Draws a meandering line on the chart]
Lt. Kif Kroker: But that leads us straight through a comet field.
Captain Zapp Brannigan: Ah, yes. Comets, the icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing off one after another at breakneck speed, we can create a gravity boost, or something.

288 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:23:44am

re: #286 Obdicut

Fun labor history fact:

Every member of the crew of the Titanic was paid right up until the moment of its sinking. After that, no matter if they were attempting to save passengers in a lifeboat, they weren't paid for it. And of course no medical expenses were paid for. And if they accepted any money from any of the passengers as a thank-you for having saved them, they were deemed to be corrupt and evil and shunned from society for having taken a bribe.

Fun times! Let's do that again. Let's go back to when, after a ferry sank in Lake Michigan, a court ruled that the families were entitled only to payment from the worth of the ferry at that point-- the ferry that was sitting on the bottom of the lake. So they each got about $20 per dead husband/father. And of course the funeral expenses were not paid for by the company either.

Let's pretend like the competition between labor and capital is a fair one, and ignore reality.

Yep. And also if you go back to court cases from the early 1900s you see men who lost limbs in accidents (like railroad work) who were denied compensation claims against the railroad company. There was a belief at the time legally that since other workers were wholely or partially responsible for the accident the company wasn't.

This was a major thing that set Teddy Roosevelt off. And one reason he was pushing for the concept of judicial recall as the Bull Moose* candidate in 1912.

* - Which was a GOP split between their progressive and conservative factions after Taft's somewhat disasterous term as President.

289 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:27:40am

It's time to be a working man...

290 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:29:46am

re: #289 lawhawk

It's time to be a working man...

[Video]

Upding for Rush!

Good morning lizards :)

291 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:49:46am

PETA plans porn website to promote message

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is planning to launch a pornographic website to promote its animal rights and vegan diet message, a move that critics say will backfire and ostracize them from mainstream society.

PETA spokeswoman Lindsay Rajt said in a telephone interview from Los Angeles on Tuesday that the group has applied with ICM Registry to launch the website peta.xxx.

Rajt says the site will feature "tantalizing" videos and photographs, which will lead viewers into animal rights messages. She noted that Norfolk-based PETA has used porn stars and nudity to get its message across in the past, including an annual speech online in which a PETA representative undresses. That video later shares a message about slaughterhouses.

...Rajt said PETA officials would track the website to determine if people are viewing the animal rights messages and not just the nudity. Past experience has shown that they will, she said.

View porn or slaughterhouses? Tough decision.
/Heh

292 garhighway  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:57:01am

re: #58 lostlakehiker

Huntsman is running for the 2016 nomination. He can't win this one, though he should. If, however, the Republicans nominate a hapless loser who finds a path to defeat, that might, just might, be a lesson to Republican primary voters: don't dumpster dive for candidates.

Huntsman speaks several languages, knows some science or at least recognizes that scientists know some science, and he's been ambassador to China.

One party rule never works for long. The temptations are just irresistible. Sooner or later, the Republicans are going to have a scandal to run against that's so juicy they're bound to win. When that day comes, there needs to be a grownup at the helm of the Republican party. Huntsman could be that grownup.

You are hypothesizing a major change in the mindset of the R base, and I don't see anything on the horizon to cause that. Losing to Obama made them crazier. Winning certain won't smarten them up. I would love to see an R party that thinks Huntsman is worth considering, because then they would be a responsible governing party.

But I think the R's would have to nominate a far righty and then get crushed before they would seriously entertain Huntsman, and them getting crushed in 2012 is not in the cards. So if they lose, they will draw the wrong lesson from it, and it will be like 2008 all over again: "If we had nominated a true conservative this wouldn't have happened. Our guy wasn't pure enough."

My two cents.

293 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 7:58:16am

PETA are a bunch of self-righteous douchebags.

Even my best friend, who's been vegetarian for over 20 years now can't stand them at all, because the theatrics and idiocy PETA uses gets in the way of otherwise valid messages about food safety and the real conditions that animals are in when they're raised and slaughtered for food.

294 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:01:17am

re: #293 Lidane

I call that "Advocates Disease". Theatrics, hyperbole, exaggerations, and the occasional bald lie. If only it were limited to PETA.
*sigh*

Maybe it's a pet peeve of mine.

295 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:01:17am

re: #292 garhighway

You are hypothesizing a major change in the mindset of the R base, and I don't see anything on the horizon to cause that. Losing to Obama made them crazier. Winning certain won't smarten them up.

Quite frankly, the GOP needs an enema. Badly. No matter what happens against Obama, it will only further embolden the teabaggers and far right nutjobs.

Win, and they become convinced that America is on their side and agrees with their reactionary agenda. Lose, and they become convinced that the only reason they lost, just like in 2008, is because they weren't "conservative" enough. Either way, the Republican party loses.

296 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:03:45am

re: #293 Lidane

PETA are a bunch of self-righteous douchebags.

Even my best friend, who's been vegetarian for over 20 years now can't stand them at all, because the theatrics and idiocy PETA uses gets in the way of otherwise valid messages about food safety and the real conditions that animals are in when they're raised and slaughtered for food.

Those lunatics stand across the street from KFC sometimes protesting. That's when I go through the drive through then drive by them waving while chomping on a chicken leg.

297 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:15:58am

re: #17 windsagio

For a number of reasons polls have a fairly strong conservative bias, and are kind of nonpredictive at this point anyways.

P'll put it up now, Its gonna be Romney/Obama, O wins.

If you give me even odds on a bet, yes or no, Romney wins the nomination and then Obama wins the general election, I'll take it. I have two ways to win the bet---Romney doesn't get the nomination, or he does win the general election.

But you're right about polls---polls reflect current reality, not future reality, they don't reflect what people will actually do, only what they say they'll do, and they don't reflect what people in general would say, only what those who will talk at all will say.

And all that's only if you can design a way to reach a random sample of voters.

298 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:22:26am

Speaking of needing an enema, Rick Perry opened his pie hole again. This time he's trying to pretend he never flirted with secession:

299 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:22:45am

re: #297 lostlakehiker

If you give me even odds on a bet, yes or no, Romney wins the nomination and then Obama wins the general election, I'll take it. I have two ways to win the bet---Romney doesn't get the nomination, or he does win the general election.

But you're right about polls---polls reflect current reality, not future reality, they don't reflect what people will actually do, only what they say they'll do, and they don't reflect what people in general would say, only what those who will talk at all will say.

And all that's only if you can design a way to reach a random sample of voters.

I think everything will depend on how the economy and unemployment has progressed next year. If it's worse, Obama loses, if it's a whole lot better he probably wins. I think it's too early to pick a clear winner right now. If I recall Hillary was the odds on favorite at this time last election season.

300 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:24:11am

re: #298 Lidane

Speaking of needing an enema, Rick Perry opened his pie hole again. This time he's trying to pretend he never flirted with secession:

[Video]

I was just going to post that.

'Who ya gonna believe - me or your lyin' eyes?'

Way to parse, there, Rick. He 'never used the term.' Ohh-kay, then.

301 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:24:13am

re: #298 Lidane

Speaking of needing an enema, Rick Perry opened his pie hole again. This time he's trying to pretend he never flirted with secession:

[Video]

Maybe he's caught in a personal Groundhog's Day scenario where he keeps reliving the same day over and over and saying and doing different things while we on the outside get to see the whole catalog of behaviors.

More likely it's just Giant Panderer activity.

302 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:26:30am

re: #298 Lidane

Politicians would love it if everything they said and did came with an expiration date. Before the Internet era, they could have buried stuff like that, but now that the Internet is all-remembering, it's tougher and tougher to get away with trying to revise history like that.

It has become all the easier to be a flip-flopper or beholden to pretzel logic to support a current position that is at odds with something said just a short time earlier.

303 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:29:59am

re: #302 lawhawk

Politicians would love it if everything they said and did came with an expiration date. Before the Internet era, they could have buried stuff like that, but now that the Internet is all-remembering, it's tougher and tougher to get away with trying to revise history like that.

It has become all the easier to be a flip-flopper or beholden to pretzel logic to support a current position that is at odds with something said just a short time earlier.

Politicians, like regular people, are allowed to modify their opinions.

However, they should also be clear that they are modifying a previously stated opinion and not start hair splitting about context in an attempt to deny saying it. That's being a weasel, and something that you call your friends on whey they do it.

In addition, an opinion change that happens in a very short period of time and/or flip-flops back is suspect. Especially if it correlates highly with the perceived viewpoint of the group being addressed at the time.

304 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:31:09am

On a completely unrelated subject, has anyone here done a Couch to 5k program?

One of my classmates is putting together a team to take part in a 5k this December for the Ronald McDonald House charity, since she works for them and I think it's a good cause. I'd like to do it and I don't want to just walk 3 miles. I'd like to use that 5k as a definite deadline and as a way to start getting active again. Ergo, the Couch to 5k thing. I'm just nervous about starting it and wondered if anyone has any experience with it.

305 zora  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:34:32am

re: #293 Lidane

include me with the vegetarians that hate peta. a bunch of attention whores and assholes.

306 zora  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:39:42am

re: #304 Lidane

i did it a couple of years ago. i'd say i followed about 75% of what the plan said and did a little of my own thing. i had been somewhat active beforehand. i can't remember my time but i was able to run to whole race without stopping or walking, which was my goal.

307 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:42:13am

re: #269 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Geller's at it again, this time trying to get hateful anti-Muslim advertising on MTA buses and trains as a counter to anti-Israel advertising.

The thrust of her group's advertising? That Muslims are savages.

Not some Muslims. Not Islamic terrorists.

Muslims.

Uhm. No friend of the harpy here, but: I think you got your facts wrong. You cite this NY Post article as backup for your claim that Geller called all Muslims "savages" in her proposed MTA ad. But that article only mentions that that ad likens "the enemies of the Jewish state to 'savages'". The "enemies of the Jewish state" is not "Muslims". So I was curious and went over to Geller's site and found an article by her that supposedly shows the ad in question.

If this is it, it does not mention Muslims at all:

Image: alg_geller_advert.jpg

You say it's "the thrust of her group's advertising" that Muslims are savages. I don't see that. It also indicts, e.g., leftie anti-imperialist anti-Zionists who in her mind are in cahoots with islamic fundamentalists. It doesn't really indict Muslims who support Israel against islamic fundamentalists.

And of course once you enter her counter-jihad univers to get more "context", the insanity displayed therein leads to the conclusion that all Muslims are savages. But that isn't what the ad says itself.

Geller is crazy and dangerous. But I don't think the argument that the ad basically calls all Muslims savages holds water.

308 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:43:05am

Great news for the adults in the Republican Party!

In the latest poll out of Florida, Jon Huntsman has doubled his support!

Daily Fl-Pres: Perry jumps into lead over Romney ahead of straw poll

[/snark]

309 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:49:40am

re: #277 publicityStunted

Is the global economy a Ponzi scheme?

Is TP trying to ride the Rick Perry band wagon?

310 darthstar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:51:10am

Pearls Before Swine gets it.
[Link: www.gocomics.com...]

311 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:53:10am

re: #310 darthstar

Pearls Before Swine gets it.
[Link: www.gocomics.com...]

LOL!

312 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:58:06am

HTF did this guy get a knife on the plane?

Salt Lake airplane passenger carried knife on board, made threats, police say

SALT LAKE CITY — A Salt Lake airline passenger faces federal charges for allegedly carrying a knife onto an airplane and verbally threatening police and FBI agents.

Shortly after taking his seat on a Delta Air Lines flight from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas on Sunday, David Alan Anderson, 60, began elbowing the passenger next to him to "claim" the armrest, according to a federal complaint. He then put his foot on the passenger's leg.

"Sir, you are going to have to move over," the passenger told him.

About five minutes later, the passenger saw Anderson staring at him. He then said to the passenger, "If I have a knife, I would slit your throat," the complaint states.

The passenger told flight attendants, who noticed Anderson reach into his bag several times with something cupped in his hand. The flight crew then called Salt Lake police.

Anderson denied having a weapon or making threats. But during a consensual search of his bag, police found a Gerber folding knife with a 3 ½-inch blade. Police handcuffed Anderson and took him to the airport police station.

At the station, the complaint says, Anderson made numerous profane threats to police and FBI agents including, "Your days are not long," "It's a shotgun in the chest," "I'll pull your eyeballs out," and "It will give me a lot of pleasure to see you again, but you won't see me, bucko."

According the complaint, Anderson smelled slightly of alcohol, but did not appear to be drunk. Anderson faces charges of dangerous weapon on an aircraft and retaliation against a federal law enforcement officer by threat of murder.

313 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 8:59:26am

re: #306 zora

i can't remember my time but i was able to run to whole race without stopping or walking, which was my goal.

That's pretty much my goal. I'm not planning on becoming a marathon runner or anything, but I'd like to be able to at least jog a 5k without stopping. If it gets me into the habit of jogging or running daily to keep in shape, so much the better.

I've gotten a lot of exercise just from walking these past couple of years, especially since I live in an area with a lot of steep inclines, but I'm not a runner, so I figure that's a good program to start with.

314 darthstar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:04:03am

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

LOL!

FWACK!

315 darthstar  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:06:45am

Rick Santorum has a Yahoo problem.

Rick Santorum has a bing problem too.

316 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:09:24am

re: #308 BongCrodny

Great news for the adults in the Republican Party!

In the latest poll out of Florida, Jon Huntsman has doubled his support!

Daily Fl-Pres: Perry jumps into lead over Romney ahead of straw poll

[/snark]

So that Nirvana reference did the trick.
/

317 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:20:53am

Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) says he would consider putting the liberal congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in his Cabinet if he were to win the presidency in 2012.

Paul said his libertarian political philosophy helps him connect with some on the far left — including Kucinich, who shares Paul’s general anti-war stance.

Paul joked that if he brought the Ohio congressman aboard in his administration, he might have to create a "Department of Peace."
"You've got to give credit to people who think," he said.

"Being pragmatic is about forming coalitions," Paul said at a breakfast sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor. "I probably work with coalitions better than the other candidates. I don't think I've said anything negative here about the president."

Paul spokesmen Jesse Benton later said the remark was a joke, and said Kucinich is too ideologically different from Paul to be a candidate for a Cabinet spot.

Paul/Kucinich 2012!

318 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:23:16am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet

Proof that nutjobs gravitate towards each other, regardless of ideology.

319 Lidane  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:25:38am

re: #315 darthstar

Rick Santorum has a Yahoo problem.

Rick Santorum has a bing problem too.

Rick Santorum has a lot of problems, starting with the fact that he's a self-righteous, sanctimonious asshole.

I'm glad Dan Savage's meme has ended up creating this problem for Santorum. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

320 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:33:26am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

Paul spokesmen Jesse Benton later said the remark was a joke, and said Kucinich is too ideologically different from Paul to be a candidate for a Cabinet spot.

Satire!

321 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:48:05am

re: #318 Lidane

Proof that nutjobs gravitate towards each other, regardless of ideology.

True that. Some more weird news:

Ted Haggard Appearing On Celebrity Wife Swap With Gary Busey

Ted Haggard is filming an episode of ABC's Celebrity Wife Swap this week -- with Gary Busey.

Marsha L. Smith, a spokesperson for ABC, confirmed to TPM that Haggard and Busey will be filming an episode of the show.

The premise of the series, which was imported by ABC from the UK, is exactly what it sounds like: Two families swap wives for a short period of time, drama presumably ensues.

The Colorado Springs Gazette first reported that the former New Life Church pastor would be filming the episode in Colorado Springs at the GLBT Pride Center. Dan Murphy, an employee at the Center, confirmed this to TPM.

322 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:51:57am

Perry fails to put hand over heart during National Anthem

Remember when candidate Obama caught a ton of shit for doing the same thing? I'm sure the media will be just as outraged over Perry's failure to show proper respect, right?

Right???

/////// (need I?)

323 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:52:45am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

True that. Some more weird news:

Ted Haggard Appearing On Celebrity Wife Swap With Gary Busey

Busey is a born-again Christian and active minister with Promise Keepers

There's my double-take for the day.

324 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 9:56:30am

re: #322 makeitstop

Perry fails to put hand over heart during National Anthem

Remember when candidate Obama caught a ton of shit for doing the same thing? I'm sure the media will be just as outraged over Perry's failure to show proper respect, right?

Right???

/// (need I?)

Awesome. I can't stop laughing now.

Clearly Rick Perry hates Murica. /

325 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 10:00:54am

re: #323 KingKenrod

There's my double-take for the day.

My first thought was "someone's married to Gary Busey???"

326 engineer cat  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 10:04:37am

Perry fails to put hand over heart during National Anthem

Real Wingnuts Don't Have Hearts

327 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 10:04:42am

re: #325 JasonA

My first thought was "someone's married to Gary Busey???"

The swap is to put Gary and Ted together so the wives can go someplace and live a normal life for a little while.

328 Gus  Thu, Sep 22, 2011 10:05:00am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

True that. Some more weird news:

Ted Haggard Appearing On Celebrity Wife Swap With Gary Busey

Does this mean Ted Haggard and Gary Busey get to shack up?

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