Fox News Debate Ringers: Anti-Immigrant Hate Group and Corporate Shill

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Remember those “audience-submitted” questions at the Fox News debate last night? It turns out that Fox slipped in a couple of ringers — including a representative of an anti-immigrant hate group founded by a white supremacist.

One of the YouTube questions came from Kristen Williamson, a spokeswoman from Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy hate group that lobbies for less immigration. Chris Wallace did not introduce Williamson’s question as one selected by viewers. However, the format of the question appeared as the other user-submitted videos.

Earlier during the debate program, NumbersUSA, a right-wing grassroots group also dedicated to decreasing the number of legal immigrants, aired a new national television ad.

Among the many white supremacy connections between the two groups, both were founded with help from John Tanton, an infamous anti-immigrant activist. An advocate of eugenics and other racist beliefs, Tanton has said that his immigration philosophy is guided by the goal of preserving a “European-American majority.”

Another question came from a hyper-partisan right wing operative named Lee Doren:

Doren isn’t any average citizen; he’s employed by Craft Media, a consulting firm that specializes in social marketing for corporate lobbying and Republican campaigns. Fox News failed to disclose that Doren — who has gained an online following with Big Business-friendly YouTube videos — and his firm represent a number of special interests already looking to influence the presidential election. For instance, the firm has counted the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — a trade association for Goldman Sachs, Dow Chemical, Chevron, and other large corporations — and Newt Gingrich’s attack group American Solutions as clients in the past. According to its website, the firm does everything from creating ads to assisting clients with “placing” articles in a variety of media outlets.

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1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:43:14am

Lee Doren's former LGF account, according to Gus 802.

2 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:45:36am

From a PR perspective, Google teaming with Fox News is just bad for Google. What's the upside for them?

3 garhighway  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:46:34am

Isn't the use of the phrases "Fox News" and "corporate shill" in the same sentence redundant?

4 Boondocksaint  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:46:43am

Good find. Sad to say I'm not surprised.

5 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:48:55am

re: #2 Charleston Chew

From a PR perspective, Google teaming with Fox News is just bad for Google. What's the upside for them?

Google is under investigation Google Defends Itself in Antitrust Hearing
They could use some friends.

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:49:25am

I also found it funny how they didn't ask any of the questions that I or any of my colleagues or anyone with a science degree asked...

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:50:12am

re: #1 000G

Lee Doren's former LGF account, according to Gus 802.

Oh yes, now I remember him. I believe he also wrote a hit piece about me for the idiotic "Right Wing News" website.

8 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:51:51am

But corporations are citizens, therefore, no problem.

/rotting putrid projectile vomit sarc

9 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:51:55am

re: #3 garhighway

Isn't the use of the phrases "Fox News" and "corporate shill" in the same sentence redundant?

For the sake of variety, Fox News will occasionally feature an LLC shill, an LLP shill, or the occasional sole proprietorship shill.

10 laZardo  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:52:05am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

My little bro writes Search Engine Optimization articles in his spare time for extra cash (which thanks to the Philippine exchange rate, goes quite a long way). Got himself a new netbook right as his previous one was conking out.

Because THA SYSTEM!

//

11 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:54:55am

re: #4 Boondocksaint

Good find. Sad to say I'm not surprised.

Neither am I. These debates are a joke, more like two hours infomercials that are poorly scripted and shockingly transparent.

12 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:55:24am

Maybe FOX just believes that they really *were* representitive of the audience there at the debate.
/

13 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:57:01am

re: #7 Charles

Oh yes, now I remember him. I believe he also wrote a hit piece about me for the idiotic "Right Wing News" website.

These?:

[Link: rightwingnews.com...]
[Link: rightwingnews.com...]

He also gets credits in these by one John Hawkins:

[Link: rightwingnews.com...]
[Link: rightwingnews.com...]

14 mikec6666  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:57:11am

Santorum not thanking that soldier was a shameful act. When he heard the boos he should have immediately said something. What an ass.

By the way, did you notice the guns on that soldier. Crap, makes me feel, in the words of Niedermayer, "pathetic and weak".

15 albusteve  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:58:12am

what this country needs are more gays and atheists voted into office

16 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:58:27am

i found the audience to be the most shocking part

what kind of drugs were they on? they sounded hysterical the whole two hours and it really made me uncomfortable

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 11:59:45am

Oh, and since Doren is a Paulbot, this is a good opportunity to once again pimp my page: Sandefur: 'No, we shouldn't take Ron Paul more seriously'

18 albusteve  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:01:39pm

re: #16 engineer dog

i found the audience to be the most shocking part

what kind of drugs were they on? they sounded hysterical the whole two hours and it really made me uncomfortable

divine joy...some powerful shit

19 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:05:03pm

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap


1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier


Conclusion: Fire all Republicans into space with giant cannon

20 researchok  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:09:00pm

Shills show up all the time, everywhere.

It's become a part of the game.

In the end, the voters lose.

21 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:09:32pm

re: #15 albusteve

what this country needs are more gays and atheists voted into office

Or, more normal people of any demographic.

I would not want a Roy Cohn in office, ever again. The RNC, however, can have all the Ken Mehlmans who will do their bidding...fine with me. lol

22 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:09:34pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap

1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier

Conclusion: Fire all Republicans into space with giant cannon

Then aliens retaliate against us for a truly grievous attack! But nice to see you too are coming round to where I've been on these cretins for some time. I am personally very fond of what the biblical punishments are for those who execute innocents, or let innocents die when they have the power to help.

23 Lidane  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:10:01pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap

1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier

The party of small government and individual liberty, don'tcha know.

24 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:12:00pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap

1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier

Conclusion: Fire all Republicans into space with giant cannon

They've always been like that, but the party has had strong enough leadership to hide it in the basement when company comes over (every 4 years) and trot out bs like "compassionate conservativism".

Maybe they're just fed up with hiding their true selves and this is the year they finally come out of the closet, so to speak.

25 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:12:39pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

But nice to see you too are coming round to where I've been on these cretins for some time.

Oh, I've felt this way about the GOP since I was in Middle School I think.

26 laZardo  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:12:59pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap

1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier

Conclusion: Fire all Republicans into space with giant cannon

Then they can start a lunar/martian Rapture.

/video game reference

27 garhighway  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:13:49pm

Hey, here's something fun:

A piece about how Countrywide, the big subprime lender (now owned by B of A) committed widespread fraud and stomped all of the many employees that tried to alert senior management of that fraud.

[Link: www.cjr.org...]

I bring this to your attention because I find it interesting how the piece can delve at length into massive subprime lending fraud and never once invoke Fannie, Freddie, or the Community Reinvestment Act, that holy trinity of things the GOP claims caused the subprime crisis and the ensuing financial meltdown. (Because their heads would explode if they ever agreed that the private marketplace and a lack of regulation could be the source of such a problem. It HAD to the gubbmint.)

28 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:15:19pm

There is the deeper issue. There were of course, no questions that actually challenged these cretins. It was pure political kabuki in a bubble. It was shielded from pesky questions that involve actual facts like projections from the CBO on their policies, or the findings of the legitimate scientific community, or how they can hate federal employment so much when their respective states rely on it, or what their ties are to corporate backers or questions about their strong revisions of history etc... etc... etc...

This was pure theatre from the start masquerading as a debate and masquerading as an exchange of information.

No real information was ever let into the bubble.

This was a disturbing trend with W. Bush that has only accelerated. Fox and GOP types can't allow pesky facts to challenge their group think and they effective lull their less than inquisitive audience into thinking that the group think presented is the only think.

Thought police need look no further. These are well oiled propagandists. Part of their propaganda is pretending to be news.

29 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:16:04pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap

1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier

surely somebody is making the Greatest Hits video already

30 darthstar  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:16:47pm

Does Fox do anything that's completely above board anymore? Or is that corporation just so corrupt that they can't help themselves...even when they've got a friendly audience.

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:16:49pm

re: #29 engineer dog

surely somebody is making the Greatest Hits video already

Yeah top of the charts for the middle ages.

32 allegro  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:17:10pm

re: #29 engineer dog

surely somebody is making the Greatest Hits video already

Hopefully to be featured prominently in the next year's election ads for Dems.

33 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:17:19pm

re: #29 engineer dog

and there is so much more to come, i'm sure


can't wait to see how they will top this

34 darthstar  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:18:07pm

re: #33 SpaceJesus

and there is so much more to come, i'm sure

can't wait to see how they will top this

The audience eats a newborn alive when they learn it's got two moms.

35 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:18:33pm

re: #30 darthstar

Does Fox do anything that's completely above board anymore? Or is that corporation just so corrupt that they can't help themselves...even when they've got a friendly audience.

Fox News was designed from the ground up to not be above board. It was conceived and executed as a strictly below board enterprise.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

36 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:18:43pm

re: #24 Charleston Chew

Maybe they're just fed up with hiding their true selves and this is the year they finally come out of the closet, so to speak.

the family is putting on its best face for Child Protective Services when the drunken pedophile uncle breaks out of the closet he's been locked in

37 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:18:44pm

re: #30 darthstar

Does Fox do anything that's completely above board anymore? Or is that corporation just so corrupt that they can't help themselves...even when they've got a friendly audience.

Because they have a friendly and hand picked audience, they can push the envelope even further. This is something they have been working hard on and accelerating for years.

The crazy unspeakable thing of 10 years ago started out as a some people say on Fox and was given legitimacy. Once that becomes "common wisdom" through repetition on Fox, they push harder with something even more extreme.

38 jaunte  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:19:12pm

re: #28 LudwigVanQuixote

Perky propagandists.

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:20:11pm

And in the mean time, disordered and cowardly Dems are NOT out there 24/7 calling the lies lies and attacking these cretins with basic facts.

I weep for my nation.

40 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:20:18pm

I'm a legal immigrant. I made the choice to come here and marry my wife. I filed all the documents, paid all the money and did everything right.

I've even been employed pretty much all the way through so it's not like I came here to be a drain to society or anything.

I love much about America and the new friends and family I've made down here, but to think people would have me leave simply because I'm a foreigner blows my mind.

It's almost enough to make me consider second guessing my desire to obtain U.S. citizenship. Do I really want to live in a country who feels this way about immigrants?

What the hell ever happened to the tired, poor and huddled masses?

41 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:20:54pm

On Fox News today Rick Santorum claimed he didn't hear the boos for the gay soldier.

42 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:21:05pm

re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote

Because they have a friendly and hand picked audience, they can push the envelope even further. This is something they have been working hard on and accelerating for years.

The crazy unspeakable thing of 10 years ago started out as a some people say on Fox and was given legitimacy. Once that becomes "common wisdom" through repetition on Fox, they push harder with something even more extreme.

I'm actually in favor of recording Republicans in a friendly environment. The more at home they feel the more the mask slips. And you have it on tape.

43 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:21:17pm

re: #38 jaunte

Perky propagandists.

Well my views on how that aspect of the propaganda gets abused were roundly condemned in these parts. But yes. Of course sex sells. It is much easier than thinking.

44 Kragar  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:22:23pm

re: #41 Charles

On Fox News today Rick Santorum claimed he didn't hear the boos for the gay soldier.

He's got a frothy mixture clogging his ears.

45 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:22:24pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

I'm a legal immigrant. I made the choice to come here and marry my wife. I filed all the documents, paid all the money and did everything right.

I've even been employed pretty much all the way through so it's not like I came here to be a drain to society or anything.

I love much about America and the new friends and family I've made down here, but to think people would have me leave simply because I'm a foreigner blows my mind.

It's almost enough to make me consider second guessing my desire to obtain U.S. citizenship. Do I really want to live in a country who feels this way about immigrants?

What the hell ever happened to the tired, poor and huddled masses?

Ahh don't worry about it... The GOP is fine with white immigrants from Canada and Europe.

46 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:22:24pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

And in the mean time, disordered and cowardly Dems are NOT out there 24/7 calling the lies lies and attacking these cretins with basic facts.

I weep for my nation.

However, this may be a good "hold your fire" period. Leave it to the primary nominees to bloody each other for a while.

47 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:22:47pm

re: #13 000G

I guess so. I don't read that crap.

48 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:24:06pm

re: #46 Charleston Chew

However, this may be a good "hold your fire" period. Leave it to the primary nominees to bloody each other for a while.

Nonsense. Letting a lie go unchallenged is acquiescence to the lie as truth in the mind of the public.

49 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:24:06pm

re: #46 Charleston Chew

I'm really giving the pencil button a workout today. I thank the God of LGF it's there.

50 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:24:08pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

...snip

What the hell ever happened to the tired, poor and huddled masses?

A bunch of them started to get most of their income from investments.

51 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:25:02pm

Morgan Freeman accuses the Tea Party of being racist, Fox News readers respond with racism....
Morgan Freeman: Tea Party Is Racist

YOU CAN TAKE THE MAU MAU OUT OF THE JUNGLE....BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THE JUNGLE OUT OF THE MAU MAU.

I understand how a defective gene pool can put you at a serious disadvantage dealing with a 21st century society. And maybe that's why their unemployment rate is very much higher than the rest of society.
....
Didn't your boy get elected president? But no, that's not what the bl@ ck community is after. Not until you have pilfered the product of other's hard work and we are all living in ghetto squaller will you be happy.
...
Will another bl ac k liberal please stand up and call the right racist.... If it weren't for conservatives the b la ck man would still be a slave or worse find himself hanging from a tree at the hand of a liberal wh it e guy. Remember the K K K were white liberals not conservatives. Somebody needs to teach these guys some history.
....
I am sick of bl/cks calling people names

If you tell the truth about them your racist

The liberal hatemonger hate game f-them

...etc

52 darthstar  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:25:19pm

re: #41 Charles

On Fox News today Rick Santorum claimed he didn't hear the boos for the gay soldier.

He probably didn't hear himself thanking the soldier for his service either...oh, that's right, he didn't thank the soldier for his service...instead choosing to talk about inappropriate behavior and how we need to stop those kinds of things in the military.

Santorum's a fucking piece of shit loser. I'm glad only Fox has him on.

53 albusteve  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:26:09pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

And in the mean time, disordered and cowardly Dems are NOT out there 24/7 calling the lies lies and attacking these cretins with basic facts.

I weep for my nation.

this is a very important aspect to this mess...by not refuting the GOP, they are not protecting the president...wtf are they thinking?

54 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:28:20pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

It's almost enough to make me consider second guessing my desire to obtain U.S. citizenship. Do I really want to live in a country who feels this way about immigrants?

What the hell ever happened to the tired, poor and huddled masses?

Don't take it personally. Americans have always hated immigrants. The English hated the Germans. The Germans hated the Irish. The Irish hated the Poles. Everyone hated the Chinese.

Become a citizen and live the American Dream -- that someday your great grandchildren will angrily tell somebody to go back to such and such.

55 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:28:44pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Whoa. OK. That one deserves a post. The comments are just overflowing with racism.

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:28:57pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout
More.....
Morgan Freeman...quit nagging us about race. In other words, shut up nagger !
....
The haIfbreed musIim is a racist no mater what he is

57 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:29:36pm

re: #53 albusteve

this is a very important aspect to this mess...by not refuting the GOP, they are not protecting the president...wtf are they thinking?

I keep hoping they're master strategists, biding the time and place to pounce. Yeah, that's it...master strategists...

58 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:29:47pm

re: #55 Charles

Whoa. OK. That one deserves a post. The comments are just overflowing with racism.

It seems the moderators have given up or gone home for the weekend. Nothing's getting deleted.

59 garhighway  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:30:30pm

re: #54 Charleston Chew

Don't take it personally. Americans have always hated immigrants. The English hated the Germans. The Germans hated the Irish. The Irish hated the Poles. Everyone hated the Chinese.

I'm not too fond of the Welsh. Just try spelling those names.

60 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:30:44pm

re: #41 Charles

On Fox News today Rick Santorum claimed he didn't hear the boos for the gay soldier.

That must be why he waited for them to finish before he answered the question by the soldier.

61 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:30:54pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

It seems the moderators have given up or gone home for the weekend. Nothing's getting deleted.

You can bail water from the ocean for only so long.

62 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:32:58pm

re: #59 garhighway

I'm not too fond of the Welsh. Just try spelling those names.

"They're tup, but not so tup as not to know that they're tup.."

63 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:33:02pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Morgan Freeman accuses the Tea Party of being racist, Fox News readers respond with racism...
Morgan Freeman: Tea Party Is Racist

YOU CAN TAKE THE MAU MAU OUT OF THE JUNGLE...BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THE JUNGLE OUT OF THE MAU MAU.

I understand how a defective gene pool can put you at a serious disadvantage dealing with a 21st century society. And maybe that's why their unemployment rate is very much higher than the rest of society.
...
Didn't your boy get elected president? But no, that's not what the bl@ ck community is after. Not until you have pilfered the product of other's hard work and we are all living in ghetto squaller will you be happy.
...
Will another bl ac k liberal please stand up and call the right racist... If it weren't for conservatives the b la ck man would still be a slave or worse find himself hanging from a tree at the hand of a liberal wh it e guy. Remember the K K K were white liberals not conservatives. Somebody needs to teach these guys some history.
...
I am sick of bl/cks calling people names

If you tell the truth about them your racist

The liberal hatemonger hate game f-them

...etc

lol, why the misspellings of black? Is "black" in the word filter over there?

64 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:35:10pm

re: #63 000G

lol, why the misspellings of black? Is "black" in the word filter over there?

Yeah, the wingnuts need to be creative to get around the automatic filter.

65 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:37:09pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the wingnuts need to be creative to get around the automatic filter.

Actually, I don't think there's an automatic filter, because I've seen outright racial slurs appear often, including the N word.

I think they do it so when the admins search for those words they won't find the posts.

66 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:38:10pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the wingnuts need to be creative to get around the automatic filter.

So Fox basically assumes that any mentioning of the word "black" by their readership is most likely racist anyhow?

Heh, they know their audience. But it goes to show you that you cannot solve social problems solely with technical means.

67 laZardo  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:45:39pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

I'm a legal immigrant. I made the choice to come here and marry my wife. I filed all the documents, paid all the money and did everything right.

I've even been employed pretty much all the way through so it's not like I came here to be a drain to society or anything.

I love much about America and the new friends and family I've made down here, but to think people would have me leave simply because I'm a foreigner blows my mind.

It's almost enough to make me consider second guessing my desire to obtain U.S. citizenship. Do I really want to live in a country who feels this way about immigrants?

What the hell ever happened to the tired, poor and huddled masses?

I was born in America, and for all the racism, for all the lagging in social progress, I really couldn't imagine myself living anywhere else (other than the Philippines, where I also actually lived. ;p)

I guess what I like about America is that even though it's slow to progress, we - or at least we who fight for progress - never really take it for granted. And for all our prejudices, most of us manage to grit our teeth and get along and slowly learn that maybe there's something to all of us getting along.

It probably also helps that our "empire" was/is primarily one of influence more than actual land-grabbing (except the Philippines). That way its "decline" doesn't actually lead to the sustained rise of a far-right like in Europe.

68 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:48:39pm

re: #54 Charleston Chew

Don't take it personally. Americans have always hated immigrants. The English hated the Germans. The Germans hated the Irish. The Irish hated the Poles. Everyone hated the Chinese.

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise,
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.

Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand.
You can tolerate him if you try.

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Muslims,
And everybody hates the Jews.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear.
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!

-- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"

69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:52:11pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Morgan Freeman accuses the Tea Party of being racist, Fox News readers respond with racism...

Dumb, conservative bigots on Fox...imagine my shock. ///

70 zora  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:52:48pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

then they won't have time for fundraising.

71 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:54:34pm

re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Dumb, conservative bigots on Fox...imagine my shock. ///

Actually we should be shocked. Fox has almost single handedly made such garbage acceptable for public discorse. They have lent lrgitimacy to festering racism that had been burried by decades of civil rights and once again made it something that bigots can be brave enough to openly embrace.

For this disgusting feat alone Fox should be reviled for being purely evil.

72 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 12:57:58pm

apparently, being sent to the principal's office is news at fox if it involves the evil gay agenda to take away yer guns and yer jaysus

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

73 garhighway  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:01:18pm

Here's a nice piece from Mother Jones about the brazenness of GOP lying these days:

[Link: motherjones.com...]

Sample:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a real problem for liberals. Sure, we cherry-pick evidence, we spin world events, and we impose our worldview when we talk about policy. Everyone does that. But generally speaking, our opinion leaders don't go on national TV, look straight into the camera, and just outright lie about stuff. Theirs do. And you know, if you'd been told over and over that Obamacare meant getting government permission every time you want to go to the doctor; if you'd been told over and over that the economy is in bad shape because a tidal wave of regulations are strangling American business; and if you'd been told over and over that stimulus spending didn't create one single job — well, what would you think about Barack Obama's presidency? Not much, I imagine.

74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:04:02pm

re: #71 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually we should be shocked. Fox has almost single handedly made such garbage acceptable for public discorse. They have lent lrgitimacy to festering racism that had been burried by decades of civil rights and once again made it something that bigots can be brave enough to openly embrace.

For this disgusting feat alone Fox should be reviled for being purely evil.

Yeah, but I don't expect anything to be done about it, e.g. people actually confronting and educating those in their communities who express those things. That kind of silence is what has always lent this stuff legitimacy. Fox Nation is just a symptom, afaic. I expect it to get much, much worse in the coming few years.

75 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:07:19pm

re: #73 garhighway

Here's a nice piece from Mother Jones about the brazenness of GOP lying these days:

[Link: motherjones.com...]

Sample:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a real problem for liberals. Sure, we cherry-pick evidence, we spin world events, and we impose our worldview when we talk about policy. Everyone does that. But generally speaking, our opinion leaders don't go on national TV, look straight into the camera, and just outright lie about stuff. Theirs do. And you know, if you'd been told over and over that Obamacare meant getting government permission every time you want to go to the doctor; if you'd been told over and over that the economy is in bad shape because a tidal wave of regulations are strangling American business; and if you'd been told over and over that stimulus spending didn't create one single job — well, what would you think about Barack Obama's presidency? Not much, I imagine.

but this shitstorm of lying also relies on a large body of people who are predisposed to believe it and who think nothing of repeating something said once on the teevee or internet as Undisputed Truth

the democratic party will never be able to compete with this on a level playing field because they are unwilling to lie

76 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:07:19pm

The TP is now targeting Sen. Rich Lugar (R-IN), believing he isn't sufficiently conservative enough.

Indiana Tea Party activists have set their sights on a political institution — Sen. Richard Lugar —contending that the six-term Republican senator has strayed from conservative values.

The challenge to the 79-year-old Lugar is expected to be formalized Saturday, when many of the state’s Tea Party and “patriot” groups meet in Greenfield, Ind., at an event aimed at promoting a challenger in next year’s GOP primary.

Taking on Lugar, who has such standing that he faced no opposition in 2006, is a bold move and one that could backfire and create an opening for a Democrat to win the seat, some observers say.

77 jaunte  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:07:21pm

re: #72 SpaceJesus

"Ambrose' at this link comments in part:

"...this is part of a history of harrassing comments made by Ary and four other students in that class...."
[Link: www.advocate.com...]

78 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:11:30pm

re: #72 SpaceJesus

apparently, being sent to the principal's office is news at fox if it involves the evil gay agenda to take away yer guns and yer jaysus

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I think that this passage from the article is quite revealing.

Dakota was in a German class at the high school when the conversation shifted to religion and homosexuality in Germany. At some point during the conversation, he turned to a friend and said that he was a Christian and “being a homosexual is wrong.”

Given this context, I wouldn't be at all surprised that he made his comment during discussion of gays being one of the targeted groups during the Holocaust, and made some sort of crass comment about it.

79 Gus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:12:36pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

So, 3 GOP debates so far. Let's recap

1. Crowd cheers Rick Perry's execution record
2. Crowd cheers the death of an uninsured man
3. Crowd boos gay soldier

Conclusion: Fire all Republicans into space with giant cannon

That's funny.

80 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:14:04pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Note why some of the TPers think Lugar's got to go:

“Sen. Lugar’s vote (to support) the liberal judges (President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court nominees Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor) is what made me say, ‘I can’t say silent anymore,’” said Monica Boyer, a co-founder of Hoosiers for a Conservative Senate. She also heads a Tea Party-affiliated group in her home county named “Kosciusko Silent No More.”

Throwing advise and consent on Presidential nominees to the Court - they think the job of the Senate is to decide based on the nominee's political leanings - not whether they're qualified for the position. Lugar voted properly to confirm - both were qualified, and both were approved. But that's now how the TP sees it.

81 Gus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:14:28pm

re: #76 lawhawk

The TP is now targeting Sen. Rich Lugar (R-IN), believing he isn't sufficiently conservative enough.

Apparently and all of the sudden Rick Perry isn't conservative enough. He's got the anti-immigration groups going after him now.

82 Achilles Tang  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:16:16pm

re: #15 albusteve

what this country needs are more gays and atheists voted into office

No doubt there are, but only the military dropped DADT.

83 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:20:43pm

re: #74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, but I don't expect anything to be done about it, e.g. people actually confronting and educating those in their communities who express those things. That kind of silence is what has always lent this stuff legitimacy. Fox Nation is just a symptom, afaic. I expect it to get much, much worse in the coming few years.

Yes... Hence my disgust at silent Dems (who are silent about so many things) and my comments about weeping for our nation.

84 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:21:29pm

re: #77 jaunte


das deutsch klassenzimmer is keinem platz fur ausbrucher

85 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:21:47pm

re: #78 RadicalModerate

gays being one of the targeted groups during the Holocaust.

Errr... how were gays "one of the targeted groups during the Holocaust"? Gays were persecuted under the Nazis (i.e. 1933-1945), but they were not specifically targeted in the Holocaust (1941-1945), not anymore than e.g. Communists or "Asocials" anyhow.

AFAIK, the only groups besides Jews that can realistically lay claim to having been targeted during the Holocaust were the handicapped and the Roma.

86 Gus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:21:54pm

re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Dumb, conservative bigots on Fox...imagine my shock. ///

Image: XPGTL.jpg

87 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:22:18pm

Hello Everyone, just a quick pop in for an upding fest. Politics in general is starting to nauseate me so I'm not going to stay long. Have a good day!

88 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:22:53pm

re: #78 RadicalModerate

my german teacher in high school was gay and probably would have just nodded and smiled at his comment then failed him at the end of the year for that crap.

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:32:27pm

re: #83 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes... Hence my disgust at silent Dems (who are silent about so many things) and my comments about weeping for our nation.

Yeah, the Dems bit the bullet and cut the Dixiecrats loose. Too bad the R's/party of lincoln/etc have let dixiecrat mentality rule their party now. But the Dems and the left are silent about a lot of things, it's true.

At least on the left there is theoretically room to bring stuff up. The right...not so much; too into conformity, too anti-intellect/anti-education. Especially on race, and most especially on the subtopic of BLACK. I see it changing only for the worst over there, tbh.

90 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:33:53pm

re: #85 000G

Errr... how were gays "one of the targeted groups during the Holocaust"? Gays were persecuted under the Nazis (i.e. 1933-1945), but they were not specifically targeted in the Holocaust (1941-1945), not anymore than e.g. Communists or "Asocials" anyhow.

AFAIK, the only groups besides Jews that can realistically lay claim to having been targeted during the Holocaust were the handicapped and the Roma.

Roughly 100,000 gays were rounded up and arrested by the Nazis. Gays were one of the groups who were sent to concentration camps.
Not in the sheer numbers of Jews or the Roma, but still a significant number.

91 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:34:39pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Image: XPGTL.jpg

House of Saud News = Victory Mosque, afaic. The bin Talals must be getting a real kick out of dividing America even further along religion and race than it already was.

92 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:45:59pm

re: #90 RadicalModerate

Roughly 100,000 gays were rounded up and arrested by the Nazis. Gays were one of the groups who were sent to concentration camps.
Not in the sheer numbers of Jews or the Roma, but still a significant number.

It is not about numbers. Gays were persecuted before and during the Holocaust. They were not specifically targeted during the Holocaust as some integral part of it, as Jews and Roma were (although the latter is often classified as a seperate event – Porajmos). They were sent to concentration camps, but the camps of the Holocaust that began operation in 1941 were much different from the camps set up in 1933 when the Nazis took power and started sending gays and communists there.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 2:00:39pm

re: #59 garhighway

I'm not too fond of the Welsh. Just try spelling those names.

Jones?

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 2:03:40pm

re: #63 000G

lol, why the misspellings of black? Is "black" in the word filter over there?

Either it now triggers a second look for their monitors, or it's beginning to dawn on the bigots that it probably should, given what's going around there.

95 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 2:27:44pm

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh don't worry about it... The GOP is fine with white immigrants from Canada and Europe.

I have stated before that if sanctions are brought down on immigrants, I will suffer the consequences as much as anyone else.

If I were offered some kind of reprieve or exemption because I was white and/or Canadian I would refuse. Immigrants are immigrants. Skin color shouldn't matter. If you are going to go after them you'd better be prepared to deal with me too.

96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 2:54:51pm

re: #90 RadicalModerate

re: #92 000G

000G is right. More on this: Paragraph 175

Paragraph 175 (known formally as &sect175 StGB; also known as Section 175 in English) was a provision of the German Criminal Code from 15 May 1871 to 10 March 1994. It made homosexual acts between males a crime, and in early revisions the provision also criminalized bestiality. All in all, around 140,000 men were convicted under the law.

The statute was amended several times. The Nazis broadened the law in 1935; in the prosecutions that followed, thousands died in concentration camps. East Germany reverted to the old version of the law in 1950, limited its scope to sex with youths under 18 in 1968, and abolished it entirely in 1988. West Germany retained the Nazi-era statute until 1969, when it was limited to "qualified cases"; it was further attenuated in 1973, and finally revoked entirely in 1994 after German reunification.

It was expanded during the 3rd Reich, but not specifically as part of the Holocaust. I also happen to own the movie by the same name. Worthy purchase.

97 garhighway  Fri, Sep 23, 2011 3:05:48pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Jones?

More like Penbontrhydyfothau, for example.

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Sep 24, 2011 3:12:48am

re: #96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The part about East Germany being rather progressive when it came to repealing laws criminalizing homosexuality brings to mind that East Germany also passed rather progressive laws on abortion in 1972. This was a point of contention during re-unification, because West Germany had stayed rather conservative on the issue.

[Link: www.jstor.org...]
[Link: litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com...]


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