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1 darthstar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:03:10pm

Rubadubdub, three men in a tub.

2 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:03:52pm

Is this another freakn' pirate movie?

3 jaunte  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:04:52pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

All their favorite Congressmen have an Arrr after their names

4 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:07:51pm

I like my cosplay like I like my porn. Hot asian chicks.

5 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:08:30pm

Three men in a boat up shit creek without a paddle, to stay nothing of the dog.

6 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:08:30pm

We paid for these costumes, dammit, were gonna get our monies worth out of 'em.

Thank dog none of them are my dad.

7 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:09:58pm

Nothing says you're serious about modern problems like period costumes.

Perhaps that should be the theme of the next GOP debate. Each candidate can wear a costume from US History.

8 dragonfire1981  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:10:08pm

Because oppressing women and minorities is awesome!

9 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:10:28pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I like my cosplay like I like my porn. Hot asian chicks.

You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.

10 jaunte  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:12:27pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The message most people might take from this image is not a serious one; I wonder what these guys thought they would be saying when they decided to garb up?

11 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:12:49pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Because oppressing women and minorities is awesome!

When they said they wanted to bring back the 50's, I didn't think they meant the 1750s.

12 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:12:58pm

re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea

You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.

Could be worse.

EDIT: Not quite NSFW.

13 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:13:06pm

And looking at them, I'm betting all are cashing Social Security checks, getting health care paid for via Medicare, and not losing any sleep over doing both.

14 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:14:09pm

Tricornballs

15 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:14:39pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And looking at them, I'm betting all are cashing Social Security checks, getting health care paid for via Medicare, and not losing any sleep over doing both.

But that's different!

//

16 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:14:44pm

Just as an American-That is just so embarrassing. A caricature comes to life before our very eyes.

17 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:15:13pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Tricornballs

The breakfast of patriots!

18 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:15:52pm

re: #15 Gus 802

But that's different!

//

Hey Gus, we were worried you'd disappeared off the face of the Earth. Perhaps been relocated to one of Comrade Obama's reeducation camps.

19 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:16:56pm

re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea

You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.

The lemon tea party?

20 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:17:42pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey Gus, we were worried you'd disappeared off the face of the Earth. Perhaps been relocated to one of Comrade Obama's reeducation camps.

Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.

21 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:18:15pm

"There are two things inevitable in life. The first is death, but I figured you cretins knew what the second one was." - Ben Franklin

22 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:19:46pm

re: #20 Gus 802

Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.

Yeah, I've had those days. Well, it's good to have you with us, because this place seems a little less bright without you around.

23 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:20:36pm

"Mah pantaloons iz serious!"

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:21:10pm

re: #20 Gus 802

Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.

Hang in there.

25 Atlas Fails  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:22:52pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And looking at them, I'm betting all are cashing Social Security checks, getting health care paid for via Medicare, and not losing any sleep over doing both.

But they're part of the 47% who still pay taxes!!1!!11ty

Actually, considering their ages and the obvious excess time on their hands, they probably don't pay income taxes but are too stupid to realize it. They probably envision all "those people" as black ghetto welfare queens buying flatscreens and driving Cadillacs. Because it's the tea party.

26 Mocking Jay  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:23:14pm

re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea

You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.

What's yiffi... you know what? Nevermind.

27 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:23:16pm

re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've had those days. Well, it's good to have you with us, because this place seems a little less bright without you around.

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Hang in there.

Thanks.

28 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:23:51pm

re: #26 JasonA

What's yiffi... you know what? Nevermind.

Ask WUB or Fenris when they check in. ;p

29 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:23:56pm

re: #20 Gus 802

Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.

*smooch*
because.

30 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:25:12pm

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

*smooch*
because.

Smooch back!

31 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:25:24pm

re: #26 JasonA

What's yiffi... you know what? Nevermind.

Just walk away. Trust me, it's for your own sanity. I gazed into the abyss and have never been able to scrub my soul clean since.

32 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:28:17pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I like my cosplay like I like my porn. Hot asian chicks.

Does this mean these guys are wearing Spandex™ unitards underneath their costumes!?

Pass the brain bleach.

//

33 Mocking Jay  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:28:51pm

re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just walk away. Trust me, it's for your own sanity. I gazed into the abyss and have never been able to scrub my soul clean since.

Google makes it so hard to resist... all I have to do is type it into that address bar up top... must...not...type...

34 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:30:27pm

re: #33 JasonA

Google makes it so hard to resist... all I have to do is type it into that address bar up top... must...not...type...

The temptation, do not give in to. The Dark Side, it is.

35 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:30:37pm

re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just walk away. Trust me, it's for your own sanity. I gazed into the abyss and have never been able to scrub my soul clean since.

Like I said. Could be worse.

36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:31:22pm
At the GOP debate in Orlando, a moment that perfectly captures the essence of today’s Republican Party, in which the best seats in the house are occupied by grown men playing dress-up.

...in stockings and buckled shoes, too *_*

37 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:32:15pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Because oppressing women and minorities is awesome!

Oppressing is a gas. We bourgeoisie hate the proletariat, so they deserve what we give them.

38 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:32:37pm
39 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:34:06pm

re: #15 Gus 802

But that's different!

//

Hey Gus, you're back.

Unless my meds haven't worn off yet.

40 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:34:27pm

I dunno. I like costumes.

'Course I live in a place where grown men paint themselves in garish colors every week.

41 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:34:49pm

re: #36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

...in stockings and buckled shoes, too *_*

The only reason they wore these Colonial style costumes was because their white sheets didn't come back from the cleaners.

//

42 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:36:00pm

re: #39 b_sharp

Hey Gus, you're back.

Unless my meds haven't worn off yet.

Si. I'm back. :)

Your meds are probably still working though. ;)

43 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:36:00pm

re: #20 Gus 802

Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.

We're always available if you need to talk bro.

44 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:36:56pm

re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The temptation, do not give in to. The Dark Side, it is.

More like "Lovecraftian awakening to knowledge that precedes madness because of its transformative scope."

I say do it, just remember to roll into the insanity, not away.

Then again, since a Savage Love column revealed the world of hook-ups between cold-symptoms fetishists ten years ago my brain has just given up. It's all good if everybody's consenting.

45 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:37:46pm

re: #43 b_sharp

We're always available if you need to talk bro.

Copy. Thanks. I need to retain all of this in my memory banks next time I'm feeling down and out in Denver.

46 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:38:20pm

re: #38 MikeySDCA

Michele Bachman as Lizzie Borden?

Check out the pic. She's got the eyes.

I was thinking Cotton Mather for her.

47 Alexzander  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:38:38pm

First day on the new job today; it was pretty tough to be honest. My experience is in young adult shelters, where most of the people are at least likely to get out of their homeless situation, they just got kicked out of their houses (often for LGBTQ reasons), spent their entire childhood in foster card or recently got fired on their first job.

My new job is with some of the most unlucky people you could imagine. I dont want to describe it too much as it would become pretty obvious where I work. But its an incredibly challenging space to work in.

I feel like siddhartha Gautama when he was first released from his palace and saw sickness, old age and decaying death with his own eyes.

48 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:38:47pm

re: #42 Gus 802

Si. I'm back. :)

Your meds are probably still working though. ;)

Woh, cool, a twofer.

49 Alexzander  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:40:23pm

Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.

50 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:42:18pm

re: #49 Alexzander

Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.

Machts Nietzsch.

51 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:42:32pm

re: #49 Alexzander

Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.

I prefer Lovecraft.

Bunch together a group of people deliberately chosen for strong religious feelings, and you have a practical guarantee of dark morbidities expressed in crime, perversion, and insanity.
H. P. Lovecraft

52 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:43:24pm

re: #49 Alexzander

Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.

Who am I to argue with such an Uber statement?

53 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:45:02pm

I again find myself force to wonder aloud how those men in Continental Army grab would have fared under Baron von Steuben's discipline. I wager that they'd be crying for their mothers.

Any of those men who are veterans are exempt from the above statement.

54 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:45:59pm

No powdered wigs?

55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:47:18pm

re: #41 Gus 802

The only reason they wore these Colonial style costumes was because their white sheets didn't come back from the cleaners.

//

Haha, so true. Nice to see ya, Gus.

56 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:47:39pm

re: #54 Alouette

No powdered wigs?

the fact that they all have beards is also somewhat less than completely historically accurate

but i would really like a pair of 18th cen boots

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:48:55pm

re: #41 Gus 802

The only reason they wore these Colonial style costumes was because their white sheets didn't come back from the cleaners.

//

Well, I would have worn mine, but my red Associated Loyalist Corps jacket was torn and needed mending.

/Kidding in part. Given my way of thinking and where my known ancestors lived at the time of the Revolution, that is the Tory unit I would have likely joined. I would not have joined the Revolution, truth to tell.

58 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:48:58pm

re: #54 Alouette

No powdered wigs?

If you don't keep your powder dry, it won't go off.

59 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:50:18pm
60 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:51:29pm

re: #59 MikeySDCA

Nietzsche is pietzsche.

Keen.

61 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:51:49pm

re: #55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Haha, so true. Nice to see ya, Gus.

Nice to see you as well. I'm tempted to take this laptop outside. Was just out there smoking a cig.

62 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:52:19pm

re: #43 b_sharp

We're always available if you need to talk bro.

{{b-sharp}}
You're good peeps.

63 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:52:24pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Nice to see you as well. I'm tempted to take this laptop outside. Was just out there smoking a cig.

Do you need a wireless router?

64 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:52:32pm

Symbolism over Substance to the power of Derp.

65 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:15pm

re: #63 b_sharp

Do you need a wireless router?

Using the 5G connection right now. Works much better in Denver than in Morgan Hill.

66 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:41pm

re: #56 engineer dog

the fact that they all have beards is also somewhat less than completely historically accurate

but i would really like a pair of 18th cen boots

To be accurate, they should all be wearing Confederate costumes.

67 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:59pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

{{b-sharp}}
You're good peeps.

Aw shucks mam, you just made me turn red.

(Make sure the hubby isn't watching)
{{reine}}

68 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:00pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Using the 5G connection right now. Works much better in Denver than in Morgan Hill.

It's actually a 3G connection. 5G monthly limit.

69 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:06pm

re: #59 MikeySDCA

Nietzsche is pietzsche.

Popper is Proper.

70 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:13pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

I again find myself force to wonder aloud how those men in Continental Army grab would have fared under Baron von Steuben's discipline. I wager that they'd be crying for their mothers.

Forget Baron von Steuben...I have my doubts how they would fare under THIS guy:

Image: captain-stubing1.jpg

71 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:17pm
72 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:55:34pm
73 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:55:35pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

I would not have joined the Revolution, truth to tell.

between 1776 and 1789 the united states was of course governed under the considerably less centralizing Articles of Confederation

during the debate between the Federalists - those promoting the federal constitution we have now - and the Anti-Federalists - those who thought it took too much power away from the states and created a dangerously powerful entity - which side do you think you might have taken then?

i've often wondered what i might have thought if i had been around during that debate...

74 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:56:45pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Using the 5G connection right now. Works much better in Denver than in Morgan Hill.

I'll take that as a no. If you need any (802.11x) network hardware, give me a shout and I'll send you some.

75 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:07pm

re: #66 Alouette

To be accurate, they should all be wearing Confederate costumes.

True, but that would actually be honest of them. No, they've been working hard to try to portray the Confederacy as the "True America," whining and moaning about the "imperalist" Lincoln and how the Constitution "died" when the Confederacy did.

The argument's always the same BS, just different wrapping.

76 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:20pm

re: #68 Gus 802

It's actually a 3G connection. 5G monthly limit.

Gotcha.

77 Alexzander  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:37pm

Plato's Republican.

Well neoconservative anyway.
The noble lie.

78 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:56pm

re: #66 Alouette

To be accurate, they should all be wearing Confederate costumes.

Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?

79 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:06pm

re: #47 Alexzander

Kind regards and best of luck..I sat here and thought if I should reply to you about my experiences at Napa State Mental hospital while I went to Napa JUCO my first 2 years of college..I just wanted to play ball but I needed easy credits and it seemed a good gig.. Look anybody scores 4.0 working the T ward 4 hours a week..I have some stories.. So maybe some day we will do a page..
/ Those days had a lot with shaping my life in College and really my whole life..I would come home and the first thing I would do is jump in the shower and wash away the ugliness.. I screamed sometime.. I just didn't know

80 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:20pm
81 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:29pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?

Hard to tell without the white hood.

/

82 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:57pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?

Like Jack Sparrow minus the irreverence and The Fabulous.

83 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:00:00pm

re: #72 MikeySDCA

Immanuel Kan't.

Don't you dare force me to go dig my philosophy texts out.
I probably couldn't understand what I was reading.

84 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:00:30pm

re: #70 bratwurst

Forget Baron von Steuben...I have my doubts how they would fare under THIS guy:

Image: captain-stubing1.jpg

I'd been meaning to show this to you, but had forgotten. The play runs through Sunday if you are interested. Here is a review. Not my sort of thing, Waiting for Lefty, but I thought you might be interested.

85 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:03:46pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Hey,
You!
*smooch*
There.

86 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:04:13pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?

None. As MikeySDCA noted, none of them would likely have the guts for the role (Forrest had enough physical courage and inner fire for 8 normal men), nor are they dumb enough to pretend he was a good guy.

Nathan Bedford Forrest was perhaps the Civil War's best cavalry commander, but he was the worst human being of any general of the war.

87 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:06:47pm

re: #83 b_sharp

Don't you dare force me to go dig my philosophy texts out.
I probably couldn't understand what I was reading.

Morning Philosophy classes make me Sic et Non.

88 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:07:00pm

I wonder if the dress up guys voted for Cain.

89 Atlas Fails  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:07:54pm

re: #73 engineer dog

between 1776 and 1789 the united states was of course governed under the considerably less centralizing Articles of Confederation

during the debate between the Federalists - those promoting the federal constitution we have now - and the Anti-Federalists - those who thought it took too much power away from the states and created a dangerously powerful entity - which side do you think you might have taken then?

i've often wondered what i might have thought if i had been around during that debate...

I like to think that I'd have joined the Revolution, but who really knows?

I do think that I would have been an anti-Federalist. Aristocrats holding secret meetings in a boarded-up room, and one of the key leaders of the Revolution refusing to participate because he "smelled a rat"? No way I'd have wanted anything to do with that. Of course, the Federalists ended up coming up with a document that proved to pretty damn good at setting up a government, but you can thank anti-Federalists for the Bill of Rights.

90 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:09:16pm

re: #88 Naso Tang

I wonder if the dress up guys voted for Cain.

Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist (I rate the actual number who aren't racist a good deal higher).

91 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:09:46pm

re: #85 Floral Giraffe

Hey,
You!
*smooch*
There.

What's cooking good looking?
Greetings from Oklahoma..
Does this Cowboy hat make my head look fat?
/Winston says Hi.. I hate him now..He is like BFF with the maid...She has him completely spoiled and I mean nothing to him any more..
*wink*

92 Alexzander  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:10:31pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Kind regards and best of luck..I sat here and thought if I should reply to you about my experiences at Napa State Mental hospital while I went to Napa JUCO my first 2 years of college..I just wanted to play ball but I needed easy credits and it seemed a good gig.. Look anybody scores 4.0 working the T ward 4 hours a week..I have some stories.. So maybe some day we will do a page..
/ Those days had a lot with shaping my life in College and really my whole life..I would come home and the first thing I would do is jump in the shower and wash away the ugliness.. I screamed sometime.. I just didn't know

Thank you for the kind response and thoughts! I've also done the "jump in the shower" right away thing before. I'm actually surprised I didn't do it this afternoon but I am almost too exhausted (it is actually hard for me to type out a coherent sentence at the moment.)
I'm relatively young and I am partly taking this job because I think it will necessary lead to huge personal growth. When I left work today I kept asking myself "Am I insane for actually wanting to do this?" It is like a living collection of all of my worst fears, a personal ring of hell. And yet I sought out this kind of work. But on some level I am aware I am doing this because I know I need to be aware of these worlds and to stop being afraid of them if I want to understand how to improve them. I'm seeking this path not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

93 Atlas Fails  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:10:31pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

None. As MikeySDCA noted, none of them would likely have the guts for the role (Forrest had enough physical courage and inner fire for 8 normal men), nor are they dumb enough to pretend he was a good guy.

Nathan Bedford Forrest was perhaps the Civil War's best cavalry commander, but he was the worst human being of any general of the war.

There are stories that he actually reformed himself later in life, going so far as to advocate for tolerance of mixed race couples and even kissing a black woman in public. Does it make up for Fort Pillow? No, but it's nice to know that even the most vile and seemingly irredeemable among us can change.

94 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:12:11pm

Childish douchebags doing childish things. Are the three wise men in the front row cheering for death?

95 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:12:55pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Morning Philosophy classes make me Sic et Non.

You must be a terror when it comes to computers.

Excuse me for a moment, I'm trying to doubt without going all hyperbolic.

96 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:14:07pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

What's cooking good looking?
Greetings from Oklahoma..
Does this Cowboy hat make my head look fat?
/Winston says Hi.. I hate him now..He is like BFF with the maid...She has him completely spoiled and I mean nothing to him any more..
*wink*

Speaking of Winston and doggie BFF's - didja see what my daughter did last week?

97 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:14:49pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Hey, Handsome,
That DOG doesn't know for shit.
Just don't tell him, OK?
*smooch for you, NOT Winston*

98 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:22:50pm

This is just me, but if I were running a debate, I'd want to put the crazy people in the back of the room.

99 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:24:21pm

re: #98 BongCrodny

This is just me, but if I were running a debate, I'd want to put the crazy people in the back of the room.

What? You mean you wouldn't put them on stage like current GOP "debates"?

100 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:26:11pm

re: #98 BongCrodny

This is just me, but if I were running a debate, I'd want to put the crazy people in the back of the room.

Considering the last couple debates, if you consigned the crazy folks to the back of the room, there would be no audience to film.

101 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:26:56pm

re: #99 freetoken

What? You mean you wouldn't put them on stage like current GOP "debates"?

speaking of which, i wonder how many other gifts the audiences at the gop debates are going to give the democratic party before the gop figures out that it should stop having debates if it wants to win any elections next year

102 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:27:39pm

re: #97 Floral Giraffe

Hey, Handsome,
That DOG doesn't know for shit.
Just don't tell him, OK?
*smooch for you, NOT Winston*

My dang dog! When the maid is coming over and blocks away booming her Rap Music out of the Black Escalade he hears her and starts jumping up and down going wild.. Running back and forth to the door and then jumping on me.. She is here Daddy! answer the damn door!
I look out the window and sure enough she is pulling up...He sucks up to her the whole time she is here
Hey Winston! I thought you were afraid of vacuum cleaners! Why are you following her around?
You obviously don't do it correctly dad...
Winston? Ever heard of adoption? huh?
LOL

103 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:31:09pm

re: #101 engineer dog

speaking of which, i wonder how many other gifts the audiences at the gop debates are going to give the democratic party before the gop figures out that it should stop having debates if it wants to win any elections next year

The debates aren't going to end, especially not when Romney's slowly gaining the upper hand with each one. Was reading awhile back that Perry habitually avoided debates in past electoral appearances and I can see why.

104 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:33:06pm

re: #47 Alexzander

I have a daughter who works as a supervisor of case workers for kids either under state care or under supervised monitoring. Her issue is not the work with the kids, but the paperwork and high turnover of those under her, meaning she has to finish what others should be doing much of the time.

Learn the system and cross your Ts and check all the right boxes and you will be fine.

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:34:25pm

For those who enjoy hippie clubbings....
NYPD Violently Strips the Right to Free Speech - OCCUPY WALL STREET

106 Atlas Fails  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:38:06pm

From Pat "Where Have All the White People Gone?" Buchanan at Whirled Nuts Daily:

BREAKING NEWS: Politician tries to appeal to multiple constituencies! Of course, since it's Obama, it's really an attempt to ignite race/class warfare. The wingnuts are growing more delusional by the day.

107 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:39:31pm

It must be really embarrassing to be a Republican at this time in history.

108 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:40:13pm

re: #107 Tigger2

It must be really embarrassing to be a Republican at this time in history.

I suspect most of them are proud of themselves.

109 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:40:39pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

You enjoy that?

110 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:41:33pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

For those who enjoy hippie Wall Street CEO clubbings...

FTFY ;)

111 palomino  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:42:10pm

That photo neatly sums up the reactionary nature of the TP (and thus much of the current GOP). It's not the 20th century they want to return to, or even the 19th...let's go all the way back to the beginning, the late 18th century.

The TP appeal is thus inherently limited. Most nonwhites and women know the juice here: women were second class citizens at the time, as were the few Hispanics who lived in the US; it was open season on Asians, and blacks, of course, weren't citizens at all. Not only were these groups oppressed, they had NO INPUT whatsoever in the formation of our govt and holy founding documents. Is it any wonder the TP movement doesn't attract many people outside a narrow demographic range?

112 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:42:10pm

re: #109 Amory Blaine

You enjoy that?

I don't think so.

113 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:42:12pm

re: #109 Amory Blaine

You enjoy that?

You enjoy my enjoyment?

114 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:42:45pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Whatever floats your boat man.

115 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:43:05pm

re: #107 Tigger2

It must be really embarrassing to be a Republican at this time in history.

I'd say no more so than the folks on the far-Left who supported Mondale back in '84. There's always crazies in the ranks, but sometimes they slip the environmental constraints and proliferate out of control until electoral reality smacks them down hard.

116 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:44:13pm

re: #106 Atlas Fails

PaleoPat has been on quite the roll the past couple of weeks, condemning: one-man one-vote, democracy, anti-apartheid movements, anti-colonialism, etc.

The reactionary right is almost completely out of the closet now. I suspect as the 2012 election gets closer and it looks like Obama might well be re-elected, whatever pretense remains in the neo-confederate world will vanish and we will see them in all their glory.

117 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:44:53pm

'Nite, all.

118 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:46:01pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

For those who enjoy hippie clubbings...
NYPD Violently Strips the Right to Free Speech - OCCUPY WALL STREET

[Video]

I don't see it that way. This is normal for the NYPD, which has long had a policy of coming down hard on demonstrations perceived as getting out of hand. It does work, though.

119 palomino  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:46:17pm

re: #106 Atlas Fails

From Pat "Where Have All the White People Gone?" Buchanan at Whirled Nuts Daily:

BREAKING NEWS: Politician tries to appeal to multiple constituencies! Of course, since it's Obama, it's really an attempt to ignite race/class warfare. The wingnuts are growing more delusional by the day.

Isn't he still employed by NBC? He's way more extreme to the right than the few liberals at Fox are to the left.

But even he's smart enough to know that his side is losing the gay rights debate. Not long ago he framed it in predictably militaristic terms: "We [the forces of good] are losing the citadel to the gays in this battle, and it's too late for our side to prevail."

120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:46:41pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist (I rate the actual number who aren't racist a good deal higher).

< thatllbetheday > I even bet 35% of their best friends are black, too < /thatllbetheday >

121 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:47:32pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Dr. Doom (Nouriel Roubini) was quoted last week that as the US and the world slip back into recession from henceforth, we'd see lots more social unrest and uprisings, even in the US.

122 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:47:41pm

re: #120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

< thatllbetheday > I even bet 35% of their best friends are black, too < /thatllbetheday >

GAZE

123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:48:04pm

re: #108 b_sharp

I suspect most of them are proud of themselves.

Too stupid to be ashamed.

124 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:48:17pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I'd been meaning to show this to you, but had forgotten. The play runs through Sunday if you are interested. Here is a review. Not my sort of thing, Waiting for Lefty, but I thought you might be interested.

Hey thanks! Probably not so much my thing, but I am going to see a free lecture by ex-Newsweek editor and author of the recent Andrew Jackson bio Jon Meacham speak at Elmhurst College on Friday night. It is part of the Niebuhr forum on Religion in Public Life. He just wrote a piece on Dominionism for Time that made me want to hear him speak.

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:48:29pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

Tokenism.

126 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:49:37pm

re: #124 bratwurst

Ohh, he's a brainiac, it should be good.

127 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:50:05pm

re: #124 bratwurst

Hey thanks! Probably not so much my thing, but I am going to see a free lecture by ex-Newsweek editor and author of the recent Andrew Jackson bio Jon Meacham speak at Elmhurst College on Friday night. It is part of the Niebuhr forum on Religion in Public Life. He just wrote a piece on Dominionism for Time that made me want to hear him speak.

I hope you enjoy it. I'm not thinking past 5pm on Friday myself. All my efforts are going into this last week at work.

128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:50:12pm

re: #124 bratwurst

Hey thanks! Probably not so much my thing, but I am going to see a free lecture by ex-Newsweek editor and author of the recent Andrew Jackson bio Jon Meacham speak at Elmhurst College on Friday night. It is part of the Niebuhr forum on Religion in Public Life. He just wrote a piece on Dominionism for Time that made me want to hear him speak.

The Niebuhrs were hecka guys.

129 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:51:49pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

For those who enjoy hippie clubbings...
NYPD Violently Strips the Right to Free Speech - OCCUPY WALL STREET

[Video]

On a more serious note though I think it's kind of sad that more of these poor kids will be arrested than anyone that caused the financial meltdown of 2008. Granted they won't be in jail for long since protestors like this typically face a day or two in prison. But IMO these kids do have a point. And the financial marauders will never face jail nor any real investigation. Largely because they're in bed with politicians and judges from either side of the ideological aisle.

130 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:52:49pm

re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True, but that would actually be honest of them. No, they've been working hard to try to portray the Confederacy as the "True America," whining and moaning about the "imperalist" Lincoln and how the Constitution "died" when the Confederacy did.

The argument's always the same BS, just different wrapping.

Reliving their anti-integration protest days, back when they were in high school.

131 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:55:15pm

re: #129 Gus 802

On a more serious note though I think it's kind of sad that more of these poor kids will be arrested than anyone that caused the financial meltdown of 2008. Granted they won't be in jail for long since protestors like this typically face a day or two in prison. But IMO these kids do have a point. And the financial marauders will never face jail nor any real investigation. Largely because they're in bed with politicians and judges from either side of the ideological aisle.

Agreed but on the bright side, these kid's trust funds hold a wide variety of stock and bonds. They'll never be wanting for creature comforts because they're dutifully provided by the folks they're protesting against. Most of them will retire wealthy. Must be nice.

132 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:55:50pm

re: #123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Too stupid to be ashamed.

I'm not sure stupid is the right word, they're more ignorant and driven by a bias that blinds them. Blindly ignorant may fit better than stupid. That's assuming stupidity is genetic and ignorance is a type of wilful stupidity.

133 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:56:03pm

re: #129 Gus 802

On a more serious note though I think it's kind of sad that more of these poor kids will be arrested than anyone that caused the financial meltdown of 2008. Granted they won't be in jail for long since protestors like this typically face a day or two in prison. But IMO these kids do have a point. And the financial marauders will never face jail nor any real investigation. Largely because they're in bed with politicians and judges from either side of the ideological aisle.

The protestors should carry guns and hang Tbags off their baseball caps then they wouldn't have these problems.

134 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:58:32pm

...and now for a blonde in a red dress.....


/Namaste, y'all
135 Atlas Fails  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:59:29pm

re: #133 Amory Blaine

The protestors should carry guns and hang Tbags off their baseball caps then they wouldn't have these problems.

Anyone remember the whole "teabag your representatives" shtick from the infancy of the Old White Racist Homophobes movement? God, they are stupid. Lucky for us, their stupidity often yields unintentionally hilarious results; unlucky for us, they managed to take the House. Puke.

136 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:00:19pm

Now you see me.

Now you don't.

137 palomino  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:02:16pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist (I rate the actual number who aren't racist a good deal higher).

That's because, to them, Cain is the "good kind" of black guy. Cain's father is not a Muslim from Kenya, he doesn't have a scary middle name, he didn't spend any of his childhood in Indonesia, and he never community organized.

This may sound harsh, but how many conservatives in the media celebrated the fact that America broke down another cultural barrier by electing a black man? I still remember Juan Williams on Fox that night weeping while the guys around him acted like he was a pussy for thinking this was anything historically important.

Obama has done everything that the dominant white culture bemoans as lacking among blacks: he got educated, married, had kids, raised them responsibly, worked very hard...and for this he's demonized as some sort of traitor. Disgusting, and a generation from now Americans will look back with the same kind of shame we now have over McCarthyism.

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:04:09pm

re: #132 b_sharp

I'm not sure stupid is the right word, they're more ignorant and driven by a bias that blinds them. Blindly ignorant may fit better than stupid. That's assuming stupidity is genetic and ignorance is a type of wilful stupidity.

I used to something similar, all the time re: stupidity vs ignorance. After all, stupid people can't help their stupidity; they *are* stupid, after all.

At this point, though, the state of the GOTP has reached the level of stupidity, afaic...stupidity that's self-induced via deliberately clinging to flat-earth-society level ignorance.

139 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:05:49pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist.

Herman Cain was a preacher and still interjects plenty of fundamentalism into his speeches. His given name sounds very western European. His family name is Biblical.

IOW, he's everything the Tea Partiers need to prove that they're not racist - they just hate the gay-loving, Israel hating, communist muslim currently in the White House.

140 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:06:55pm

Ok, one more....
"Kill the Queen"


G'nite everybody
141 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:10:13pm

re: #137 palomino

That's because, to them, Cain is the "good kind" of black guy.

Well, until he slips up and does something "all about race" like Colin Powell did, he is. /

Cain's father is not a Muslim from Kenya, he doesn't have a scary middle name, he didn't spend any of his childhood in Indonesia, and he never community organized.

They like him, or purport to, because he's a willing token and racial bat against the incumbent, along the same lines of Clarence Thomas being handpicked to replace Thurgood Marshall, and only Thurgood Marshall.

They still HATE Thurgood Marshall.

If this were any other election year, Herman Shucky Ducky Cain would not have a chance with these dumb confederates.

142 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:11:26pm

re: #137 palomino

IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.

143 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:12:32pm

re: #139 freetoken

Herman Cain was a preacher and still interjects plenty of fundamentalism into his speeches. His given name sounds very western European. His family name is Biblical.

IOW, he's everything the Tea Partiers need to prove that they're not racist - they just hate the gay-loving, Israel hating, communist muslim currently in the White House.

Lol the only people who will believe that are other seething tricorners.

Everyone else has been watching white conservative bigots do this with handpicked minorities, for generations. No one is fooled by it.

144 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:13:13pm

RE: the photo at the top of this thread --

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

145 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:13:34pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama.

Lol better not tell the tea tossers he was a regional chairman of the Fed.

It won't end well for him.

146 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:14:36pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama.

His "999" plan has as its sole virtue the ease of remembrance. It's sloganism. Just what the Tea Partying right loves.

President Obama doesn't have to be brilliant in economics. A President should hire people around him who know more about their specified subjects than any one man can know. And then the President should listen to them.

147 palomino  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:17:54pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.

I have a hard time looking up to a guy who pledged not to put ANY Muslims in his adminstration, period.

I don't mean to belittle Cain, but running the 7th largest pizza chain in America isn't really much of a path to the White House. The last Pres./VP we had who hadn't held elective office was Eisenhower, who won WWII and knew a fair amount about how govt worked.

He'd beat Joe Biden...you mean in a debate? He can't even beat Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann in the debates thus far.

148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:19:02pm

re: #133 Amory Blaine

The protestors should carry guns and hang Tbags off their baseball caps then they wouldn't have these problems.

Not in NYC. That would win them a date with SWAT and the FBI's HRT.

149 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:20:54pm

re: #147 palomino

I have a hard time looking up to a guy who pledged not to put ANY Muslims in his adminstration, period.

I don't mean to belittle Cain, but running the 7th largest pizza chain in America isn't really much of a path to the White House. The last Pres./VP we had who hadn't held elective office was Eisenhower, who won WWII and knew a fair amount about how govt worked.

He'd beat Joe Biden...you mean in a debate? He can't even beat Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann in the debates thus far.

It's hard to truly score a major win in the current "cattle show" format. He'd do better 1 on 1, I think.

150 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:20:59pm

re: #147 palomino

I have a hard time looking up to a guy who pledged not to put ANY Muslims in his adminstration, period.

Seriously. I don't give a damn if he's the Einstein of economics. If he's that ignorant on social issues, he's clearly not worth any admiration.

151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:21:58pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

It's hard to truly score a major win in the current "cattle show" format. He'd do better 1 on 1, I think.

He doesn't have a chance of even getting the nomination, let alone winning the race, get real.

152 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:22:51pm

OT, but the latest lame stalker insult on Twitter is that Charles is a gamer.

ROFL. They're desperate.

153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:23:23pm

re: #150 Lidane

Seriously. I don't give a damn if he's the Einstein of economics. If he's that ignorant on social issues, he's clearly not worth any admiration.

That's what cons purport to love about him.

A Black man behind whom they can hide and count on to willingly spew their stupid ignorance for them, instead of doing it themselves.

154 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:23:28pm

re: #152 Lidane

OT, but the latest lame stalker insult on Twitter is that Charles is a gamer.

ROFL. They're desperate.

Being a gamer is an insult?

155 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:24:38pm

re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Being a gamer is an insult?

Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.

Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.

156 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:25:56pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.

Claiming Cain has a "better grasp of economics" sounds too much like Mittens talking up how he "worked in the private sector," namely that in Cain's case it glosses over the steady decline in Godfather's, while in Romney's case it ignores that his track record in the private sector is of an opportunist that sucks companies dry and forces them into bankruptcy, then walks away padding the millions he "earned."

157 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:26:54pm

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Claiming Cain has a "better grasp of economics" sounds too much like Mittens talking up how he "worked in the private sector," namely that in Cain's case it glosses over the steady decline in Godfather's, while in Romney's case it ignores that his track record in the private sector is of an opportunist that sucks companies dry and forces them into bankruptcy, then walks away padding the millions he "earned."

Didn't you know? Cain has a better grasp of economics because he has an (R) after his name. That's all that matters. =P

158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:27:54pm

re: #155 Lidane

Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.

Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.

Agreed. My gaming group has three men north of 40 and none of them are losers by any stretch of the imagination. It's just more troll spew from the league leaders in troll spew.

159 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:28:13pm

re: #155 Lidane

Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.

Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.

Must go with that other debating technique of calling people out for having a ponytail.

Seriously. That's pretty lame.

160 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:29:21pm

Straight from Cain's website 999 page:

Economic Guiding Principles

Production drives the economy, not spending.
We can not spend our way to prosperity.
Government spending IS taxation.
Government spending is like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of the pool, pouring it in the shallow end. Then they HOPE that the water level will CHANGE.

Risk taking drives growth .
Business formation and job creation are dependent on entrepreneurs taking risks.
Investors who fund those entrepreneurs likewise take risks.

Measurements must be dependable.
A dollar must always be a dollar just as an hour is always 60 minutes.
Sound money is crucial for prosperity.

Those are either fallacies, or just plain stroking of simple minded prejudices.

All Herman Cain is doing, from his use of short English sentences, his homiletically inspired speaking mannerism, to his 999 "plan" is this: he's geared an advertising campaign for those consumers (i.e., potential voters) who want, or can only understand, the simplest, most facile, of political messages around which to rally.

IOW:

Cains campaign : real governance :: Godfather's pizza : real Italian dinner

161 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:29:36pm

Alas! Some Chardonnay! Haven't had a glass of wine in ages. Drink!

162 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:29:56pm

re: #155 Lidane

Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.

Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.

Shit, John Romero's 43 and he's a young punk compared to Shigeru Miyamoto, who was programming Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers when Romero was in high school.

163 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:30:56pm

OT again, but I have to say this: OW. OW. OW.

Body is sore. I'm going to feel it tomorrow. I did my first C25K workout today. I acutally made it through all the runs, and even hiked up a steep hill afterwards before walking back to my apartment.

I definitely need to stretch out more next time, but so far, so good. :D

164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:31:33pm

re: #157 Lidane

Didn't you know? Cain has a better grasp of economics because he has an (R) after his name. That's all that matters. =P

Doesn't take much, with them.

Herman Cain reminds me of Palin in some ways -- heck, at least he has a personality, unlike the rest of the dorks on the GOP alienate-the-moderates list.

I think they see him, as they did her and a lot of those Tea Party Express losers, as someone they can control and direct. That's what makes him "one of the good ones".

165 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:32:57pm

Hell, I still remember when the NES reigned as king and having a Gameboy made you hot stuff in school. And I'm only 2 years and some change away from 30 myself.

166 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:33:35pm

re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Being a gamer is an insult?

Who knew?

167 palomino  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:34:32pm

re: #151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He doesn't have a chance of even getting the nomination, let alone winning the race, get real.

I don't think he'll be anyone's running mate either. The gop tried that kind of pandering with Palin, didn't work too well.

168 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:34:52pm

Best one in the field is Huntsman. He's still "not my type" but he's the most rational and reasonable. But they're too stupid and too bigoted to realize that.

Turns out that a recent poll shows that most Republicans aren't even happy with the current crop of candidates.

Weirdest Republicans ever.

169 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:34:55pm

re: #162 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Shit, John Romero's 43 and he's a young punk compared to Shigeru Miyamoto, who was programming Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers when Romero was in high school.

Romero's 43. Itagaki of the Ninja Gaiden games is in his 40's. Bioshock dev Ken Levine is 45. Tim Schafer is 44. Hideo Kojima is 48. And they're all young guys in the business.

170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:36:29pm

re: #160 freetoken

Straight from Cain's website 999 page:

Nothing but soundbytes, bumper-sticker phrases and dumb clichés.

Don't any of them have anything original to say?

Ever??

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:36:57pm

re: #165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, I still remember when the NES reigned as king and having a Gameboy made you hot stuff in school. And I'm only 2 years and some change away from 30 myself.

Eh, bought myself a Nintendo DS (original 'fat' version) today so I can play games. Even with the 3DS out, I can still run 99% of the games. Screw their bs.

172 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:37:18pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. My gaming group has three men north of 40 and none of them are losers by any stretch of the imagination. It's just more troll spew from the league leaders in troll spew.

Tabletop gaming =/= Video gaming.

q;

173 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:37:23pm

They make Bush look like Spock.

174 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:38:16pm

re: #172 laZardo

Tabletop gaming =/= Video gaming.

q;

Tabletop >>> video

175 Mocking Jay  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:38:27pm

Wow. An hour long Colbert for Radiohead? Sweet.

176 jaunte  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:41:15pm

re: #160 freetoken

Production drives the economy, not spending.

"If we build thousands and thousands of expensive houses, we'll have an economy..."

177 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:41:49pm

Like check this out...

NRA Chief: Obama not taking our guns is a plan to take our guns

WTF. Give me a break. These folks need a mental enema or something.

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:42:20pm

re: #167 palomino

I don't think he'll be anyone's running mate either. The gop tried that kind of pandering with Palin, didn't work too well.

The only thing he's good for right now is his color, to provide cover for race-hysterical GOTP conservatives, desperate to retain their damaging ideas about Blacks, all while pointing to their new black best friend. It's not the first time this has happened in American politics.

I despise that he is so apparently self-loathing he allows himself to be used in this way. Unlike professional slave catchers like Walter Williams and Jesse Lee Peterson, I think Cain might be somewhat above the role he is playing.

179 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:42:41pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.

"IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama."

*Citation Needed*

(I know its your opinion but even opinions don't just pop out of thin air!)

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:43:59pm

re: #169 Lidane

Romero's 43. Itagaki of the Ninja Gaiden games is in his 40's. Bioshock dev Ken Levine is 45. Tim Schafer is 44. Hideo Kojima is 48. And they're all young guys in the business.

Ayep. Gamer history stretches a good while back. I mean, one of the defining moments in video games in America was the Great Crash of '83.

181 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:44:03pm

I think I need some medical marijuana. I need it to cope with the wingnut and Republican BS.

//

182 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:47:31pm

re: #170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Don't any of them have anything original to say?

That's really not important. Cain is not as stupid as his campaign message. His campaign message is a product he's trying to sell, to a customer base that frankly isn't in the top two quartiles of the population education wise.

The US has 312 million people, and inside that group there resides a huge market for low quality products.

183 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:48:17pm

re: #179 jamesfirecat

"IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama."

*Citation Needed*

(I know its your opinion but even opinions don't just pop out of thin air!)

Depends, completely, on your definitions. I'd argue that neither knows squat about economics, only that bastardized version of the traditional school in a haphazard sort-of way that politicians specialize in. Krugman, OTOH, knows his economics, though he's still stuck in the Keynesian school. Unlike the politicians, he knows and understands what that really means and as a result knows the only real problem with the stimulus is that it was about 20% the size it should have been.

And of course, despite all the mud slinging, there is no one in US politics, to include Sen. Sanders, who is actually advocating for Socialism in America. Alas & all that.

184 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:49:34pm

re: #183 wlewisiii

Depends, completely, on your definitions. I'd argue that neither knows squat about economics, only that bastardized version of the traditional school in a haphazard sort-of way that politicians specialize in. Krugman, OTOH, knows his economics, though he's still stuck in the Keynesian school. Unlike the politicians, he knows and understands what that really means and as a result knows the only real problem with the stimulus is that it was about 20% the size it should have been.

And of course, despite all the mud slinging, there is no one in US politics, to include Sen. Sanders, who is actually advocating for Socialism in America. Alas & all that.

What's wrong with the Keynesian school?

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:51:15pm

OT... Cowboys win.

186 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:51:47pm

Listening to Dead Can Dance.

I say we start taxing greed. Best way to do that would be to create a progressive tax where corporations get bigger tax breaks for paying their employees higher wages. Higher taxes for larger wage disparities.

187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:51:53pm

re: #182 freetoken

That's really not important. Cain is not as stupid as his campaign message. His campaign message is a product he's trying to sell, to a customer base that frankly isn't in the top two quartiles of the population education wise.

The US has 312 million people, and inside that group there resides a huge market for low quality products.

Oh I agree he's personally not stupid, at all; quite the opposite. I think he's a classic opportunist who is exploiting tea party stupidity, just like the tea party leaders, Breitbart, House of Saud News, Palin/Perry, and the rest.

188 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:55:40pm

re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh I agree he's personally not stupid, at all; quite the opposite. I think he's a classic opportunist who is exploiting tea party stupidity, just like the tea party leaders, Breitbart, House of Saud News, Palin/Perry, and the rest.

The Tea Party-Industrial Complex.

I seriously doubt that even guys like Breitbart even give a crap about what he's spewing. Andrew's just always been looking for attention. Failed screenwriter and all that.

But that asshole got a 500K advance for his "book". However, that's how this country works. We actually reward garbage.

189 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:56:55pm

Republican priorities, y'all!

Three commissioners appointed by Gov. Rick Perry may grant some of the nation's largest refineries a tax refund of more than $135 million — money Texas' cash-strapped schools and other local governments have been counting on to help pay teachers and provide other public services.

190 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:56:55pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

What's wrong with the Keynesian school?

Seriously? Read some of Mike Harrington's books. Basically he only went as far as necessary to bandaid the problems that existed when he wrote " The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" and gave capitalism another century, but still it's going to collapse before much longer. If we're not very lucky, it'll be back to feudalism for our grandchildren rather than the freedoms we have known in America.

191 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:57:09pm

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... Cowboys win.

Boo!!!!!

192 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:57:22pm

That's American capitalism in a nutshell. No trash left unsold. A country of hooligans, racists, con-men and snake oil salesmen. Our greatest commodity is entertainment. And it's no longer good entertainment at that. You don't even have to have any talent to make millions.

193 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:59:06pm

re: #190 wlewisiii

Seriously? Read some of Mike Harrington's books. Basically he only went as far as necessary to bandaid the problems that existed when he wrote " The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" and gave capitalism another century, but still it's going to collapse before much longer. If we're not very lucky, it'll be back to feudalism for our grandchildren rather than the freedoms we have known in America.

Let me put this another way... what alternative school of economic theory would you propose in place of Keynesian economics?

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:59:15pm

re: #191 wlewisiii

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said, "Boo"?

195 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:00:45pm

You don't even have to do anything. Some architect from Spain was working on the DIA addition over here in Denver. He got 12.9 million for conceptual work. He was getting payed over 400,000 USD per month. Finally this egotistical asshole quit. Partially for "not getting payed enough." 12.9 million for sketch work.

It's all one big cluster fuck.

196 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:01:02pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Like check this out...

NRA Chief: Obama not taking our guns is a plan to take our guns

WTF. Give me a break. These folks need a mental enema or something.

I love how NOT taking away guns and largely ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.

197 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:01:46pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said, "Boo"?

Life is best when the Packers win and the Vikings and Cowboys loose. Alas, only 2 our of 3.

198 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:04:04pm

re: #192 Gus 802

That's American capitalism in a nutshell. No trash left unsold. A country of hooligans, racists, con-men and snake oil salesmen. Our greatest commodity is entertainment. And it's no longer good entertainment at that. You don't even have to have any talent to make millions.

Well, what're we gonna do about it?

199 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:04:19pm

re: #196 Lidane

I love how NOT taking away guns and ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.

It's pathetic. They don't even go hunting anymore. Or hardly go hunting. Just a bunch of wanker gun fetishists thinking they can "save the day" like Dirty Harry. Mouth breathers.

But they can keep their guns. I don't give a crap. Might even buy a gun myself.

200 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:05:06pm

re: #189 Lidane

Republican priorities, y'all!

Yeah, ya gotta love it. The TPers make a big stink all the time about how "our children's futures are being mortgaged," before yawning while money for education is used for everything from paying down debt and patching over budgetary holes to paying off private industries.

201 jaunte  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:05:15pm

re: #195 Gus 802

It sounds like he has interesting ideas, but has trouble solving real-world problems:

Calatrava’s work is famous around the world and has won over a dozen major awards. But Calatrava's designs have seen their fair share of criticism as well, mainly calling out some of his work as impractical. The airport in Bilbao, Spain has a bridge with tiles that are prone to breaking and get slippery under weather, according to El Correo Digital. Calatrava’s bridge in Venice has been plagued with problems, its design, which has been altered numerous times over the years, made for excessive weight that, if implemented, would cause the bank of the Venice canal to fail, according to La Repubblica.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:06:14pm

re: #193 jamesfirecat

Let me put this another way... what alternative school of economic theory would you propose in place of Keynesian economics?

I'm a fairly old school democratic socialist.

Best place to start is with market determination of demand & price along with democratic ownership of the means of production. See any of Michael Harrington's books ("Socialism: Past & Future", his last book before he died, is a good place to start) or [Link: www.dsausa.org...]

203 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:06:44pm

re: #198 laZardo

Well, what're we gonna do about it?

Nothing. There's nothing we can do about it. Nothing at all.

We're serfs my man. The system isn't really stacked against us but the system is stacked FOR them. It's all about money. Money and monied interests.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:07:33pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Hey, Gus. I'm pleased to notice that the reports of your demise were premature.

205 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:06pm

re: #202 wlewisiii

I'm a fairly old school democratic socialist.

Best place to start is with market determination of demand & price along with democratic ownership of the means of production. See any of Michael Harrington's books ("Socialism: Past & Future", his last book before he died, is a good place to start) or [Link: www.dsausa.org...]

Gotcha sorry, just wanted to make sure that you weren't suggesting the Austrian system (WE WILL HAVE A STANDARD OF GOOLLLLLDDDDD!) I haven't spent much time looking at the strengths and weaknesses of economic theories to the left of the Keynesian system, and I really should do that.

For now though I need to hit the hay, have a good night everybody!

206 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:12pm

re: #197 wlewisiii

Life is best when
the Packers win and the Vikings and Cowboys loose. Alas, only 2 our of 3.

This is practically blasphemy, but I gave up on Texas NFL teams years ago.

I was a Cowboys fan as a kid, but I've never liked Jerry Jones. I thought he handled Tom Landry's firing poorly. I understand why the firing happened. I get it. But treating a legend like a temp that stole office supplies was inexcusable. I also grew up in Houston, where Bud Adams was that city's asshole NFL owner.

Somewhere along the way, I decided that the Packers would be the closest to any team I'd follow because Cheeseheads are actually loyal fans and the city of Green Bay owns the team, so they're not going anywhere. It's worked out so far, especially since my boyfriend is a Packers fan.

207 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:23pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Then why complain?

208 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:32pm

re: #196 Lidane

I love how NOT taking away guns and largely ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.

It's hilarious to watch them twist themselves into logical pretzels, trying to explain why the fabled "gun grabbing" hasn't happened yet. All the doomsday talk after Election Day '08 and nothing came of it. It's like all that talk about the Rapture: "Okay...it didn't happen yet...but that's just because it's been moved back to next year! FEAR!"

209 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:57pm

re: #201 jaunte

It sounds like he has interesting ideas, but has trouble solving real-world problems:

I have an idea. Hire a Denver architect. And reduce the design fees to 10 percent or less of project cost. If even that much. It's just a damn hotel and a light rail station. No one around here really even cares about DIA. It's just an airport. In and out. Fly in. Fly out. It's not a destination.

This stupid town.

210 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:09:33pm

re: #207 laZardo

Then why complain?

Why not? Because I still want to get laid?

211 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:10:17pm

re: #210 Gus 802

Why not? Because I still want to get laid?

Ah, the pursuit of the Great American Past-time. Heh.

/

212 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:12:09pm

re: #203 Gus 802

My household is revisiting its own trade policies. Taking a more careful look at who we "partner" with.

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:13:34pm

All Hail the tri-cornered Hat!

How is everyone?

214 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:13:41pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, Gus. I'm pleased to notice that the reports of your demise were premature.

Still here. Trying to bite my tongue. Been hot all night in this stuffy place I'm staying. Can't complain though. So it feels like a have a fever. It's just hot! ;)

215 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:01pm

re: #196 Lidane

I love how NOT taking away guns and largely ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.

If the Dems wanted to really mess with their minds and do the country some good, they'd say "Hey, the 1968 GCA was a mistake. Let's repeal it. The Hughes Amendment Reagan signed in 1986? Yeah that, too"

If they actually did that, they'd gut the NRA overnight.

216 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:29pm

re: #213 ggt

Interview for Clerk position at a nearby drugstore tomorrow at 10 am.

So better than normal. :P

217 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:40pm

re: #213 ggt

Sore. Tired. Watching Castle, because I'm a Nathan Fillion fangirl. All in all, life is good.

218 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:43pm

Smoke break.

219 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:15:54pm

re: #209 Gus 802

I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:

I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:15:58pm

re: #216 laZardo

Interview for Clerk position at a nearby drugstore tomorrow at 10 am.

So better than normal. :P

Which one--national chain or local?

Good Luck, BTW!

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:16:20pm

re: #217 Lidane

Sore. Tired. Watching Castle, because I'm a Nathan Fillion fangirl. All in all, life is good.

Glad to hear it!

Who is Nathan Fillion --I know, I can google too!

222 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:16:30pm

re: #218 Gus 802

Smoke break.

Been there, done that. finally managed to quite a couple of years ago. I love Chantix.

223 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:18:40pm

re: #213 ggt

All Hail the tri-cornered Hat!

How is everyone?

Cursing Microsoft's update policy that doesn't see new DLCs released before 5am EST. *muttergrumblemutter*

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:19:54pm

re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Cursing Microsoft's update policy that doesn't see new DLCs released before 5am EST. *muttergrumblemutter*

Ok, can you translate that into American English?

225 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:20:29pm

re: #221 ggt

Glad to hear it!

Who is Nathan Fillion --I know, I can google too!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

I've liked him since Firefly. He's geeky and awesome. :D

226 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:20:50pm

re: #219 publicityStunted

I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:

I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?

Yes.

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:06pm

re: #225 Lidane

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

I've liked him since Firefly. He's geeky and awesome. :D

ah, I never saw Firefly.

228 jaunte  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:16pm

Goodnight, Sarcastic Fringeheads and Collared Carpetsharks...

Thirty Vertebrate Common Names Potentially Useful As Insults

229 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:18pm

re: #220 ggt

Bartell. Regional chain for the Northwest.

230 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:26pm

re: #224 ggt

Ok, can you translate that into American English?

He's waiting on a dowloadable expansion for a game, but Microsoft doesn't put them online until 5am EST.

231 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:22:18pm

re: #224 ggt

Ok, can you translate that into American English?

Microsoft doesn't seem to like to update the XBox Live Market prior to 5am EST, which means any new DownLoadable Content isn't available before then. And the new ones for Fallout: New Vegas are supposed to be available today, but I won't be able to get them for hours still.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:22:26pm

re: #219 publicityStunted

I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:

I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?

Which BTW, I'd like to forward to a fb friend who is posting about the Obama "fuck-up" over this. Is it ok to do that without asking?

233 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:24:04pm

re: #144 Lidane

RE: the photo at the top of this thread --

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Apparently it is. It gets you a front row seat for the greatest show on earth.

234 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:25:18pm

re: #219 publicityStunted

I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:

I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?

I was never good at selling myself though. Guess I lack the ego or something. But I have thought about this. Typically I wait around for an opportunity to come to me. But that's not how life works. Unfortunately, I've never been good at overcoming that. Not a good way to carry oneself but that's how I am. That page actually got over 25,000 views.

235 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:25:20pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Microsoft doesn't seem to like to update the XBox Live Market prior to 5am EST, which means any new DownLoadable Content isn't available before then. And the new ones for Fallout: New Vegas are supposed to be available today, but I won't be able to get them for hours still.

...that's 2am Pacific.

Us PS3 users usually get the week's stuff Tuesday evenings.

236 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:25:44pm

re: #232 ggt

Which BTW, I'd like to forward to a fb friend who is posting about the Obama "fuck-up" over this. Is it ok to do that without asking?

Can't speak for Gus, but if I put that much time and effort into writing something, I'd want it read by as many people as possible. I would think the only things on this site we *shouldn't* share are those which could potentially reveal personal info.

237 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:27:57pm

re: #232 ggt

Which BTW, I'd like to forward to a fb friend who is posting about the Obama "fuck-up" over this. Is it ok to do that without asking?

Go for it.

238 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:28:02pm

re: #233 Amory Blaine

Apparently it is. It gets you a front row seat for the greatest show on earth.

The Greatest Clown Show on Earth, maybe. Heh.

Personally, if I had to cosplay to get front row seats for something, I'd only do it for Comic-Con. A political debate? Not so much.

239 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:28:10pm

re: #235 laZardo

...that's 2am Pacific.

Us PS3 users usually get the week's stuff Tuesday evenings.

True. Guess I shouldn't complain...too loud.

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:29:19pm

re: #234 Gus 802

I was never good at selling myself though. Guess I lack the ego or something. But I have thought about this. Typically I wait around for an opportunity to come to me. But that's not how life works. Unfortunately, I've never been good at overcoming that. Not a good way to carry oneself but that's how I am. That page actually got over 25,000 views.

Nothing wrong with tooting your own horn.

Sometimes I think of it as truthfully telling the good things about myself and leaving out the bad.

Helps to make a t-bar list thingy --I'm often surprised at how many positive things I can say about myself when trying to get work.

241 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:31:45pm

re: #234 Gus 802

I was never good at selling myself though. Guess I lack the ego or something. But I have thought about this. Typically I wait around for an opportunity to come to me. But that's not how life works. Unfortunately, I've never been good at overcoming that. Not a good way to carry oneself but that's how I am. That page actually got over 25,000 views.

I've struggled with the same problem, so I can relate :( But look at this!

Researcher, Think Progress

American Progress has an immediate opening for a Researcher to work with the research team that produces clean energy and climate-related content for the ThinkProgress War Room, and other research efforts.

Job responsibilities:

* Write content for media-ready research products.
* Research legislation and summarize arguments of the policy debate.
* Monitor media (print and television).
* Write content for the blog ThinkProgress.org, TP Green, etc.
* Assist with various research projects.
* Other tasks as assigned.

There are additional research jobs on their main career page.

242 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:31:46pm

Ozone depleting chemical ban. Brought to you largely by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Through the approval of the Montreal Protocol. My how times have changed. They don't make conservatives like they used to.

243 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:32:09pm

re: #228 jaunte

Goodnight, Sarcastic Fringeheads and Collared Carpetsharks...

Thirty Vertebrate Common Names Potentially Useful As Insults

Haha, Chris Clarke - I know him. Fantastic writer.

244 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:33:50pm

re: #242 Gus 802

Ozone depleting chemical ban. Brought to you largely by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Through the approval of the Montreal Protocol. My how times have changed. They don't make conservatives like they used to.

Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.

245 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:35:16pm

re: #241 publicityStunted

I've struggled with the same problem, so I can relate :( But look at this!

Researcher, Think Progress

There are additional research jobs on their main career page.

Thanks. I'll make an effort to look into this further. For once.

246 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:36:38pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.

I know. But I'm comparing them to the current crop of wingnuts. And the GOP field.

247 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:37:25pm

re: #228 jaunte

Goodnight, Sarcastic Fringeheads and Collared Carpetsharks...

Thirty Vertebrate Common Names Potentially Useful As Insults

Captain Haddock does insults better. ;D

248 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:37:37pm

re: #243 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Haha, Chris Clarke - I know him. Fantastic writer.

Yeah, well I know the California Smooth-Tongue.

Worked with him.

249 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:37:59pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.

The hilarious thing is that Nixon couldn't get out of the primaries today. He took us off the gold standard and had a hand in both the EPA and OSHA, among other things.

250 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:38:10pm
251 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:39:45pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.

Once upon a time it was possible to have decent conservative politicians. See Governor Dreyfus or Congressman Steve Gunderson from WI. Of course, Dreyfus is dead and Gunderson was forced out of his office when outed despite his very long term monogamy... :(

252 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:41:20pm

re: #246 Gus 802

I know. But I'm comparing them to the current crop of wingnuts. And the GOP field.

Yeah, the decline of the GOP in sanity is rather sad to look at. Men like Eisenhower or even Nixon today would be RINOs who'd be run out of the party on a rail. And St. Ron himself is only tolerated so long as you stick to the myth rather than the man. Even Bush Sr. is absolutely reviled because he went against the holy scripture and raised taxes at a time of rising deficits.

253 Lidane  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:42:09pm

re: #252 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Even Bush Sr. is absolutely reviled because he went against the holy scripture and raised taxes at a time of rising deficits.

And Bush Sr. even had a degree in Economics to go with those tax hikes. Heh.

254 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:45:00pm

re: #253 Lidane

And Bush Sr. even had a degree in Economics to go with those tax hikes. Heh.

Yep. And it's not like he was setting some kind of precedent, as Reagan hiked taxes 11 times, the first even as the recession that supposed was "solved" by tax cuts was going on. In total defiance of the "common knowledge" today that recessions are extended or deepened by higher taxes.

255 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:45:11pm

re: #248 EmmmieG

Yeah, well I know the California Smooth-Tongue.

Worked with him.

The world is indeed small, after all.

256 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:45:18pm

re: #249 Lidane

The hilarious thing is that Nixon couldn't get out of the primaries today. He took us off the gold standard and had a hand in both the EPA and OSHA.

Yep. Also price controls. And of course we should never forget that Nixon also capitulated in Vietnam. Sure, there were outside forces like the defunding of the war. But one of the bills to defund the Vietnam War was authored by a Republican as well (citation needed). Nixon was weird. But these Republicans today almost make Nixon look like a normal person.

Now that's really strange.

Kissinger on the other hand. Well, there are issues with Latin America that are almost unforgivable.

257 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:46:46pm

re: #245 Gus 802

Thanks. I'll make an effort to look into this further. For once.

I wouldn't mind doing it, and I have the resume, but... I've worked in DC before and frankly I found the environment to be anything but enlightening or soul-satisfying.

258 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:47:06pm

re: #249 Lidane

The hilarious thing is that Nixon couldn't get out of the primaries today. He took us off the gold standard and had a hand in both the EPA and OSHA, among other things.

But he was not a crook.

/you try saying that aloud, WITHOUT the accent.

259 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:47:51pm

re: #252 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bush, Sr, is a man I can respect. Not because of his views but there was nothing that required him to become the US Navy's youngest combat pilot, up to that time, in WWII. He was the utter opposite of the chicken hawks like Cheney. I may disagree with very nearly every decision he made, but damn it, he believed in this nation enough to put his neck out there on the line. As I have seen it put elsewhere, "A Veteran, whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America” for an amount of “up to and including my life.” " He put his name on that blank check.

260 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:54:06pm

re: #197 wlewisiii

Life is best when the Packers win and the Vikings and Cowboys loose. Alas, only 2 our of 3.

No, life is best when all three of those teams lose.

/Go Bears!

261 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:54:40pm

re: #259 wlewisiii

Bush, Sr, is a man I can respect. Not because of his views but there was nothing that required him to become the US Navy's youngest combat pilot, up to that time, in WWII. He was the utter opposite of the chicken hawks like Cheney. I may disagree with very nearly every decision he made, but damn it, he believed in this nation enough to put his neck out there on the line. As I have seen it put elsewhere, "A Veteran, whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America” for an amount of “up to and including my life.” " He put his name on that blank check.

I have respect for any man who puts on the uniform, provided he did nothing to disgrace himself or the service to which he pledged himself to. Which is why I generally saw no reason to rag on Dubya's TANG service, because even if you make the argument that Bush Sr. got him in, he still served. And the F-102 was not, by any measure of the imagination, an easy bird to fly.

262 freetoken  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:56:07pm

The problem I have with CAP, even though it's not a looney bin or out in the no-man's-land of nut-hood like real left wing organizations, is that ideological think tanks (of any stripe) are not really open to the big, big questions if the answers that come back undermine the mission of the people at the top.

This is true of any organization which is ideologically bound.

ThinkProgress might be a useful site for news pushers and bloggers, but I wonder how much it really affects the majority (or even large minority groups) of Americans?

Only the small fraction of the population (like us here) who are wonky enough to care about researching issues really get into the finer points of policies and information and politics.

Most Americans tonight are watching football, or DWTS, or the new Fox dino-series, rather than reading books or websites about the issues of the day.

That's just the way it is.

263 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:56:35pm

re: #252 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the decline of the GOP in sanity is rather sad to look at. Men like Eisenhower or even Nixon today would be RINOs who'd be run out of the party on a rail. And St. Ron himself is only tolerated so long as you stick to the myth rather than the man. Even Bush Sr. is absolutely reviled because he went against the holy scripture and raised taxes at a time of rising deficits.

He promised not to raise taxes and made that promise very memorable. And then he raised taxes. That sort of action will tick off your base every time. What he should have done was refuse to compromise on that point. If that meant a prolonged shutdown, then that should have been accepted. Once you take that kind of stand you have to hold the line.

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:57:14pm

re: #262 freetoken

The problem I have with CAP, even though it's not a looney bin or out in the no-man's-land of nut-hood like real left wing organizations, is that ideological think tanks (of any stripe) are not really open to the big, big questions if the answers that come back undermine the mission of the people at the top.

This is true of any organization which is ideologically bound.

ThinkProgress might be a useful site for news pushers and bloggers, but I wonder how much it really affects the majority (or even large minority groups) of Americans?

Only the small fraction of the population (like us here) who are wonky enough to care about researching issues really get into the finer points of policies and information and politics.

Most Americans tonight are watching football, or DWTS, or the new Fox dino-series, rather than reading books or websites about the issues of the day.

That's just the way it is.

Terra Nova is worth watching, BTW.

265 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:58:14pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Terra Nova is worth watching, BTW.

Is it? I've got it on DVR and was considering watching it later. Did it do well in avoiding being too cheesy?

266 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:00:47pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

He promised not to raise taxes and made that promise very memorable. And then he raised taxes. That sort of action will tick off your base every time. What he should have done was refuse to compromise on that point. If that meant a prolonged shutdown, then that should have been accepted. Once you take that kind of stand you have to hold the line.

That would have destroyed him all the same, by worsening his already bad economy. What he should have done is simply not made the promise, painting oneself into a corner is always a bad strategy.

267 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:01:32pm

re: #262 freetoken

The problem I have with CAP, even though it's not a looney bin or out in the no-man's-land of nut-hood like real left wing organizations, is that ideological think tanks (of any stripe) are not really open to the big, big questions if the answers that come back undermine the mission of the people at the top.

This is true of any organization which is ideologically bound.

ThinkProgress might be a useful site for news pushers and bloggers, but I wonder how much it really affects the majority (or even large minority groups) of Americans?

Only the small fraction of the population (like us here) who are wonky enough to care about researching issues really get into the finer points of policies and information and politics.

Most Americans tonight are watching football, or DWTS, or the new Fox dino-series, rather than reading books or websites about the issues of the day.

That's just the way it is.

Maybe. But it's all about target marketing anyway.

Frankly. Most people are either eating, sleeping and working. The majority of people are on their iPhones talking about their girlfriends or boyfriends though. You know. The blue haze upon their faces.

But look at DWTS and Chaz Bono. Look at how political Perez Hilton became with his single question to that bimbo. The options are there for everyone.

268 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:05:19pm

re: #265 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is it? I've got it on DVR and was considering watching it later. Did it do well in avoiding being too cheesy?

Yes, it did. YMMV, of course.

269 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:05:25pm

re: #262 freetoken

It's nice to have the data in the ether, for those that are curious and posterity.

270 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:09:24pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

That would have destroyed him all the same, by worsening his already bad economy. What he should have done is simply not made the promise, painting oneself into a corner is always a bad strategy.

Once you're there, you're there. But to some degree, it really is useless to wargame 'what-ifs' of either President Bush being outright combative in matters of domestic policy. That just is not the sort of man either the father or the son is or wants to be. Bush the Younger was willing to take a harder line, but even then he was never nasty about it.

So a scenario where George the Elder flung compromise aside and took an aggressive stance was never in the cards. He just is not that kind of man,

271 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:09:36pm

G'night all.

272 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:09:55pm

re: #229 laZardo

Bartell. Regional chain for the Northwest.

I work part-time for a local drug store. I think one of the best things about it is that is in my community, so our regular customers are also part of my community. Most are people I would never know otherwise.

273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:12:15pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Once you're there, you're there. But to some degree, it really is useless to wargame 'what-ifs' of either President Bush being outright combative in matters of domestic policy. That just is not the sort of man either the father or the son is or wants to be. Bush the Younger was willing to take a harder line, but even then he was never nasty about it.

So a scenario where George the Elder flung compromise aside and took an aggressive stance was never in the cards. He just is not that kind of man,

I always got the idea that Bush Sr thought the POTUS should concentrate on Foreign Affairs and leave the domestic stuff to Congress and the States. He was, of course, strongest in Foreign Affairs.

Unfortunately, his presidency was at a time when the citizens seemed to want a Domestic Affairs POTUS. His perceived apathy during the Rodney King Incident and LA Riots was bad, bad planning.

274 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:12:55pm

There used to be a certain amount of decorum though. You can see some old films of Robert Kennedy defending Ronald Reagan. We didn't have anonymity to hide behind. There were less pranksters around. Now, most of the internet is about being an anonymous asshole. The political dialogue is centered around this anonymity. In an ironic twist even after the sexual revolution and feminism the machismo has been turned up to 11.

275 wheat-dogg  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:15:38pm

re: #274 Gus 802

And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:16:54pm

re: #275 wheatdogg

And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.

They think their money makes them sexy.

Hannity is the only one that comes close --

/gah

277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:17:52pm

re: #273 ggt

I always got the idea that Bush Sr thought the POTUS should concentrate on Foreign Affairs and leave the domestic stuff to Congress and the States. He was, of course, strongest in Foreign Affairs.

Unfortunately, his presidency was at a time when the citizens seemed to want a Domestic Affairs POTUS. His perceived apathy during the Rodney King Incident and LA Riots was bad, bad planning.

It may have been bad planning but it was totally expected, as was his wife's callous attitude towards Katrina survivors in an unpreventable natural disaster.

One group of people to pick up on those attitudes were the rank/file Evangelicals, who, rightly, never really trusted HW's overtures.

278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:18:51pm

re: #275 wheatdogg

And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.

They are perfect examples of why I can't stand something-to-prove conservative men. Not like the something-to-prove conservative women are any better. But still.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:20:12pm

re: #278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They are perfect examples of why I can't stand something-to-prove conservative men. Not like the something-to-prove conservative women are any better. But still.

I don't know "I am the embodiment of the perfect modern-day Christian woman" Bachmann is far worse to me than Limbaugh.

At least, Limbaugh knows he is an entertainer.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:21:43pm

re: #277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It may have been bad planning but it was totally expected, as was his wife's callous attitude towards Katrina survivors in an unpreventable natural disaster.

One group of people to pick up on those attitudes were the rank/file Evangelicals, who, rightly, never really trusted HW's overtures.

Katrina was during Bush Jr's term --no?

I'm confused.

281 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:25:05pm

re: #277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It may have been bad planning but it was totally expected, as was his wife's callous attitude towards Katrina survivors in an unpreventable natural disaster.

One group of people to pick up on those attitudes were the rank/file Evangelicals, who, rightly, never really trusted HW's overtures.

Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.

282 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:29:56pm

re: #281 Gus 802

Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.

It was a clusterfuck all around. No one person holds all the blame, there's plenty to go around. And the media certainly didn't help matters, running stories about rumors and innuendo as though they were hard facts, using victims as stage props, and overall just making an utter mess of the whole deal.

283 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:31:07pm

re: #280 ggt

Katrina was during Bush Jr's term --no?

I'm confused.

Yes. But George the Elder visited the Astrodome with Barbara (George H.W.'s wife, not the daughter of George W. who is named for her grandmother). She came across as indifferent to the plight of the of the refugees, or at least condescending.

284 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:31:57pm

re: #282 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It was a clusterfuck all around. No one person holds all the blame, there's plenty to go around. And the media certainly didn't help matters, running stories about rumors and innuendo as though they were hard facts, using victims as stage props, and overall just making an utter mess of the whole deal.

Yep. Like most of the BS stories about the stadium. From the "media" that is. You can't rely on the them though. They're just a bunch of hairdos.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:33:38pm

re: #281 Gus 802

Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.

and Nagin got re-elected . .

go figure.

286 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:35:17pm

re: #284 Gus 802

Yep. Like most of the BS stories about the stadium. From the "media" that is. You can't rely on the them though. They're just a bunch of hairdos.

I still remember the rumors about bodies being stacked like cord wood, being squirreled away, and so much other BS. Thousands of body bags, man!

/

287 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:36:02pm

re: #279 ggt

I don't know "I am the embodiment of the perfect modern-day Christian woman" Bachmann is far worse to me than Limbaugh.

At least, Limbaugh knows he is an entertainer.

His audience doesn't. They suck it in and claim righteousness. He's a bad man.

288 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:39:22pm

re: #286 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I still remember the rumors about bodies being stacked like cord wood, being squirreled away, and so much other BS. Thousands of body bags, man!

/

Well, a thousand or so, anyway. They were recovering corpses well into '06.

289 wheat-dogg  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:39:30pm

Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:39:33pm

If G-d had an iPhone, he wouldn't have to come down to earth to play Skee-ball.

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:41:01pm

re: #289 wheatdogg

Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.

Rush knows he is a carnival main attraction. Bachman thinks the carnival is real life.

292 wheat-dogg  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:43:28pm

Maybe the next TP debate should require the candidates to wear clown costumes. It's just a step removed from the 18th century get-ups their audience wears, and more representative.

293 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:44:38pm

re: #292 wheatdogg

Maybe the next TP debate should require the candidates to wear clown costumes. It's just a step removed from the 18th century get-ups their audience wears, and more representative.

I didn't know juggalos voted Republican.

/hOnK hOnK

294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:45:59pm

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

Yes. But George the Elder visited the Astrodome with Barbara (George H.W.'s wife, not the daughter of George W. who is named for her grandmother). She came across as indifferent to the plight of the of the refugees, or at least condescending.

She came across as quite typical, really.

295 wheat-dogg  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:49:20pm

Time for a nap. Got classes in another hour. Cheers!

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:49:29pm

The cutest retired couple came in the store today. Both were looking for items, asking for help and checking prices. I helped the husband.

When they finally came to the register, the husband said that his wife said they could only spend $2 today and he lost. She brought her items to the counter and then he brought out a baggie full of change. With tax it was something like $2.14. He dumped the baggie and started to count out the coins. She interrupted and finished counting --telling him to spend the pennies first so he would have less weight to carry.

He said "See, she won't even let me spend $2."

It was also obvious that she NEVER worked outside the home and they had plenty of money because she had been a saver not a spender.

They were a real team and I LMAO.

I want to be married for that long and be like that when I'm retired.

297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:49:38pm

re: #281 Gus 802

Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.

I was at a music conference in 2008, at which the main theme was the place of the arts and music in rebuilding after Katrina. The city was just barely starting to pick up, though of course downtown was thriving, not that I begrudge them.

But Katrina really showed up the conservative confederate attitude towards those who are in accidents or so-called acts of god, especially if one is nonwhite and most especially if one is Black and not part of the Republican target market.

Meet 'em on the bridge and shove the barrel of your gun in their face. Pull the trigger, if it pleases you.

Dirty confeds.

298 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:51:19pm

re: #289 wheatdogg

Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.

Truth. I really believe she believes what she says.

That's why it's called Crazy Talk.

Unless Mitt Romney admits to having plural wives, I think the nom is his. I suppose Pointy Boots can make a run from behind, but he has had the bullshit kicked out of him (leaving only a pair of empty boots) in the debates. His weakness in a forum or debate, as opposed to the stump, where he is brilliant, has been exposed.

Which sucks. Obama would *so* kick his ass. Now he will continue to be my Governor.

299 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:00:41pm

re: #290 ggt

If G-d had an iPhone, he wouldn't have to come down to earth to play Skee-ball.

Yeah, but Kevin Smith has not been given the ability to see into the future. He didn't know the iPhone was coming back when Dogma was made.

/I caught the reference

300 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:01:53pm

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams.

301 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:04:52pm

re: #289 wheatdogg

Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.

Actually, though, that would make Bachmann a better person, though. A True Believer, however crazy or evil, at least has the virtue of sincerity and some level of honesty. Duplicity has neither of those things.

Not talking about the person's effects on the world, just the person as a person.

302 laZardo  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:06:13pm

Headan to bed due to aforementioned interview. Nighty.

303 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:12:24pm

Bed time. Night folks.

304 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:12:29pm

re: #302 laZardo

Headan to bed due to aforementioned interview. Nighty.

Break a leg tomorrow, LaZ!

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:13:09pm

From the comments section at the link on my Page.

Zappa was right. If only we had listened to him years ago we'd be free of the idiocy of TV. And we'd floss more.

LOL

306 Gus  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:13:36pm

Sleep tight all. And be safe.

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:14:28pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

Actually, though, that would make Bachmann a better person, though. A True Believer, however crazy or evil, at least has the virtue of sincerity and some level of honesty. Duplicity has neither of those things.

Not talking about the person's effects on the world, just the person as a person.

Strangely, I see Limbaugh as the honest person. Delusional is not honest, it's a lie to the self and to the world.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:16:57pm

re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea

You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.

Perhaps 'mobbing', in honor of the mobcap?

309 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:17:51pm

re: #307 ggt

Strangely, I see Limbaugh as the honest person. Delusional is not honest, it's a lie to the self and to the world.

That is a valid way to look at it, that Limbaugh is at least more honest to himself.

I've got to sign off for the night. Sleep well, all.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:20:43pm

re: #28 laZardo

Ask WUB or Fenris when they check in. ;p

No, better yet, don't.

311 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:23:14pm

re: #275 wheatdogg

And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.

If these guys are so tough, let's see 'em stay at Motel 6 on their next book tour.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:27:08pm

re: #155 Lidane

Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.

Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.

My husband is only 35, but he will be a gamer in his 50s, ain't no doubt.

313 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:29:29pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband is only 35, but he will be a gamer in his 50s, ain't no doubt.

Gaming requires basic problem solving skills and reasoning, which some people seem to be sorely lacking in. No wonder they hate.

314 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:34:23pm

The guy on the right (our left) in the photo looks like he's waving a bedpan over his head.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:41:34pm

re: #314 BongCrodny

The guy on the right (our left) in the photo looks like he's waving a bedpan over his head.

I've never seen a 3-cornered bed pan.

do they make those just for guys?

:0

316 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:47:08pm

re: #313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's a social activity like golf, or a bridge club.

317 Kragar  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:50:55pm

re: #316 Amory Blaine

It's a social activity like golf, or a bridge club.

Nothing like a few good friends getting together screaming WAAAGH! and BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! while the spend a few hours shooting each other in the name of good natured fun.

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:56:21pm

Night all,

Have a great morning!

319 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 1:10:11am

re: #265 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is it? I've got it on DVR and was considering watching it later. Did it do well in avoiding being too cheesy?

Well, I've tried to watch the premier (of Terra Nova) and only got half way.

No, it is not cheesy. But... the target audience is clearly for people younger than me.

The problem isn't the time travel or the silly "science" (I realize stories need McGuffins, no matter how unrealistic), but I find the characters to be so unbelievable (and some of the acting awkward) and the interpersonal dialogue comes off as written by a sophomore drama student. The most believable character, and actor, is the little girl, who is adorable.

It's classic Spielberg in a way - simple and formulaic, with lots and lots of stereotypes.

Not my cup of tea.

320 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 1:10:49am

If they had gone for more comedy and less drama I think it would have worked better.

321 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 1:12:03am
322 researchok  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 1:52:04am

Morning, all

323 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:10:14am
324 wheat-dogg  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:22:33am

re: #311 BongCrodny

Motel 6? Too cushy. Let 'em sleep in their cars. Or better yet, one car.

325 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:52:15am

Good Morning Honcos!!!

326 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:54:29am

Rogue, Quit hiding!

327 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:55:49am

Dixie Chicks still toxic:

Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]

In last Thursday’s Stark Country, we revealed that gold spins are on the rise for the Dixie Chicks eight and a half years after the incident that cost them their career. But even after all this time, a surprising number of country programmers say they’re still not playing the group’s past hits. Even those who are playing them are doing so very cautiously, with the politics of each market still playing a deciding role. When asked if all had been forgiven and forgotten when it comes to the Chicks, one programmer responded, “Are you kidding?”

328 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:56:48am

re: #327 RogueOne

Dixie Chicks still toxic:

Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]

CENSORSH1!P!!!

329 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:57:10am

re: #326 rwdflynavy

Rogue, Quit hiding!

Who's hiding? I didn't want to break up the quiet groove. Luckily you did it for me. How goes life CPT?

330 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:58:22am

re: #329 RogueOne

Who's hiding? I didn't want to break up the quiet groove. Luckily you did it for me. How goes life CPT?

Good, School is getting busy with mid-terms and papers. How about you?

331 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:00:45am

re: #330 rwdflynavy

Good, School is getting busy with mid-terms and papers. How about you?

I'm taking a few days off before the end of the year rush. Everyone stops building right around the end of the year so they try to get as many projects in as they can in Sept/Oct. I already have 6 more projects lined up.

332 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:01:02am

Hey, Sergey, feel like contributing here?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

333 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:03:30am

MSNBC is showing a clip from an Obama heckler yesterday. A young Jesus heckler, weird.

334 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:06:22am

re: #333 RogueOne

MSNBC is showing a clip from an Obama heckler yesterday. A young Jesus heckler, weird.

Must be a racist if he is heckling Obama
//

335 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:08:04am

I gotta run. Yearbook meeting and softball game after classes. It's like High School again, without the acne!!

Later Lizards!

336 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:16:20am

re: #333 RogueOne

MSNBC is showing a clip from an Obama heckler yesterday. A young Jesus heckler, weird.

WOW

he must be old if he's heckled both Obama AND Jesus!
Did he do it in Aramaic??

337 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:21:55am

A little housekeeping.
Gus, glad to see your back (I know your offline!)
I'm a gamer till I drop dead.
I'm currently having maple and brown sugar high fiber oatmeal with a pat of butter.
I'm wearing white sox with matching underwear.
Ok I'm good, now I can take on the day!

338 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:23:56am

re: #337 Shropshire_Slasher

I'm wearing white sox with matching underwear

The socks look good, but why are you wearing the undies on your head?

339 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:08am

re: #337 Shropshire_Slasher

I'm wearing white sox with matching underwear.

Which one, Axelrod?

340 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:13am

re: #338 sattv4u2


You can see me WTH!
Damn hackers.
Remember, yellow in the front, brown in the back.

341 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:57am

re: #340 Shropshire_Slasher

You can see me WTH!
Damn hackers.
Remember, yellow in the front, brown in the back.

And come Wednesday, turn them inside out to get another 3 days wear out of them

342 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:57am

re: #327 RogueOne

Dixie Chicks still toxic:

Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]

I don't see how their audience is going to forgive the Dixie Chicks after eight years when it's still fighting the Civil War after 150 years.

343 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:28:20am

re: #336 sattv4u2

WOW

he must be old if he's heckled both Obama AND Jesus!
Did he do it in Aramaic??

No, he did it in screaming english. Who pays $250 to get into a fundraiser so they can get immediately tossed out calling the president the "anti-christ"? OTOH, it gave the president a chance to confirm his love for the baby jesus.....

344 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:29:41am

re: #342 BongCrodny

I don't understand the romance of the Civil War. While I was on vacation in Maine, I noticed a pickup with the stars and bars painted proudly on the hood, WTF. Maine had some of the best fighters in the Civil War. Nothing screams ignorance like the stars and bars.

345 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:33:46am

re: #343 RogueOne

Well, the baby cheese head is pretty adorable.

Image: PHOTO_5314366_63262_4062320_ap.jpg

346 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:34:47am

Another wardrobe malfunction and this time it was Nancy Grace. Why can't any of these nipple slips happen to a pair you'd actually want to see?

Nancy Grace Has Nip Slip on Dancing with the Stars
[Link: www.usmagazine.com...]

DWTS has to be taken off the air. It's for the children...If it only saves one life pair of eyes....

347 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:35:55am

re: #345 Obdicut

Well, the baby cheese head is pretty adorable.

Image: PHOTO_5314366_63262_4062320_ap.jpg

The problem is he'll grow up to look like this:
Image: packers-fan01.jpg

348 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:37:03am

re: #346 RogueOne

I threw up a little in my mouth

349 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:47:43am

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350 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:47:55am

Honolulu police get ready for APEC meeting:

Honolulu Police Load Up on Taser Ammo, Pepper Spray, Bean Bags for APEC
[Link: www.civilbeat.com...]

Twenty-five-thousand pepper spray projectiles for nearly $90,000. Eighteen-thousand units of bean bag ammunition for more than $60,000. Three-thousand Taser cartridges for another $60,000.

And a special, $13,000, long-range loudspeaker typically used to communicate authoritatively from a distance — for example from military helicopters to pirates at sea.

Those items are just a sampling of the Honolulu Police Department's lengthy shopping list in preparation for the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit this November. (We share the full list at the bottom of this article.)

In all, the department requested more than $700,000 in so-called "non-lethal" or "less-lethal" weapon technologies in the last two years, according to Civil Beat's analysis of records obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Hawaii under the state's open records law. The ACLU provided Civil Beat with 42 pages of requests and invoices it received from the city.

351 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:48:27am

re: #349 000G

( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)&#xFF89 ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) (  ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:&#xFF6 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)� 2606; (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

o_O

352 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:51:11am

re: #351 iossarian

[Link: rotting.tumblr.com...]

353 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:55:16am

Kelly Thomas' Father Claims Harassment by Cypress Police Department
[Link: www.ktla.com...]

(Video story)

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:55:49am

The morning after the Dallas Cowboys defeat the Washington Redskins; I feel... satisfied... without any of the "morning after" regret...

355 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:59:11am

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The morning after the Dallas Cowboys defeat the Washington Redskins; I feel... satisfied... without any of the "morning after" regret...

There's a pill for that.

356 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:59:39am

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The morning after the Dallas Cowboys defeat the Washington Redskins; I feel... satisfied... without any of the "morning after" regret...

PS Romo still an awful quarterback.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:03:32am

re: #356 iossarian

Well, I ain't a big fan of Tony. But I'll tell you this.

He's tough as hell. He wooks wike a widdle pansy; but he ain't.

It would be close to impossible to do what he did last night.

358 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:13:17am

Good morning lizards.

How bout them Cowboys!

359 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:14:42am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I ain't a big fan of Tony. But I'll tell you this.

He's tough as hell. He wooks wike a widdle pansy; but he ain't.

It would be close to impossible to do what he did last night.

He's tough, I will give him that.

Meaningless prediction: he will never win a Super Bowl.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:21:12am

re: #359 iossarian

I think this is the last year that they'll give him an opportunity to prove that he can go deep into the post-season.

I'm basing that on absolutely no inside information or knowledge.

361 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:27:39am

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think this is the last year that they'll give him an opportunity to prove that he can go deep into the post-season.

Yeah, I don't know. That whole organization seems to have been messed up for ages now. Off the field, on the field.

Yes, they won last night, but they looked pretty shambolic - missed snaps, players not knowing where to line up etc. You also have to remember that the Redskins are not exactly a powerhouse (Grossman was probably even worse than Romo last night, a craptastic display capped off by one of the stupidest sacks you'll ever see someone take).

You can't win championships that way.

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:29:22am

re: #361 iossarian

No argument from me, there.

364 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:34:35am

re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No argument from me, there.

Sorry, didn't mean to harsh your buzz!

365 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:36:27am

Did anyone else notice that Dallas now has Jeff Bridges coordinating their defense?

366 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:50:18am

No Rocky Mountain high for Barack Obama
[Link: www.politico.com...]

The president, who pitches his new jobs plan at a downtown Denver high school this afternoon on his way home from a three-day West Coast trip, faces a surprisingly tough fight in a state one Obama adviser recently labeled as “the bellwether of bellwethers.”

What is particularly worrisome for the Obama campaign is that Colorado in many ways is the most friendly of the high-stakes, fast-changing swing states — that also include Virginia, North Carolina and Wisconsin — that he’s banking on for 2012.

367 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:59:42am

re: #366 RogueOne
Meh, I'm not too worried about it. Obama certainly has problems but the GOP has bigger problems. They can run moderate Mitt and alienate the religious right/Tea Party base or the can run a radical loon (BAchmann, Perry, Cain) and scare the shit out of everybody. They don't have any good choices.

368 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:00:36am
369 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:00:57am

re: #327 RogueOne

Dixie Chicks still toxic:

Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]

I cannot feel too sorry for the Dixie Chicks, they were making a lot of money but then they bit The Hand That Feeds Them: country music in America is all about celebrating great American Values in a idealized form: family, country, love of God/County, drinkin' fightin' and raisin' hell (on weekends only, though), etc.

They made a big mistake of thinking they could make even an offhand comment injurious to the sensibilities of those listeners and not offend them deeply.

370 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:01:50am

re: #349 000G

( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)&#xFF89 ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) (  ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:&#xFF6 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)&#0; 2606; (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

Was that an attempt at posting in Chinese?

371 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:02:29am

re: #349 000G

( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) (  ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉& #8245;ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡&# 9531;━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・ ゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`) 734; (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃)۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾• ;̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)۶ (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

Yeah, that's what Tutankhamun said.

372 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:02:40am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

I think Mitt, if he ends up the nominee, could win in CO. Perry flamed into the lead and it looks like he's flaming back out. A lot of the base won't like voting for Romney, but they'll do it.

373 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:04:25am

re: #344 Shropshire_Slasher

I don't understand the romance of the Civil War. While I was on vacation in Maine, I noticed a pickup with the stars and bars painted proudly on the hood, WTF. Maine had some of the best fighters in the Civil War. Nothing screams ignorance like the stars and bars.

Maine has its fair share of rednecks. We recently had the "Redneck Olympics" up here, which was very successful by any measuring stick.

Events included "wife carrying," "beer swilling" and "bobbing for pigs feet."

(That the U.S. Olympics Committee has warned the owner not to use "Olympics" any more is beside the point; the hootenanny was quite successful and they've made plans to do it again next year.)

About 25 or so years ago, the Ku Klux Klan came to my hometown (about an hour-and-a-half northwest of Portland) because they thought that economic conditions in the area made it a perfect recruiting place and one they thought would be receptive to the Klan's message.

374 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:08:04am

re: #373 BongCrodny

...
Events included "wife carrying," "beer swilling" and "bobbing for pigs feet."
.....

Sounds like a good way to get Trichinosis

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:09:34am

re: #365 iossarian

Did anyone else notice that Dallas now has Jeff Bridges coordinating their defense?

He looks like the Weary Kind...

376 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:12:21am

re: #369 ralphieboy

I cannot feel too sorry for the Dixie Chicks, they were making a lot of money but then they bit The Hand That Feeds Them: country music in America is all about celebrating great American Values in a idealized form: family, country, love of God/County, drinkin' fightin' and raisin' hell (on weekends only, though), etc.

They made a big mistake of thinking they could make even an offhand comment injurious to the sensibilities of those listeners and not offend them deeply.

Then they doubled down with the Entertainment Weekly cover.
Then they doubled down again with the "FUTK" flap.
Then they doubled down again by releasing an angry, maybe even bitter, song as their "comeback."

For a group that sold as many albums as they did, they were kinda tone deaf when it came to understanding their market.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:12:43am

re: #371 freetoken

Yeah, that's what Tutankhamun said.

Translation?

"I'm not dead! Get me out of this damn box!"

378 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:13:59am

re: #349 000G

( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)&#xFF89 ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) (  ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:&#xFF6 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

You really need a hobby!

379 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:15am

re: #376 BongCrodny

Then they doubled down with the Entertainment Weekly cover.
Then they doubled down again with the "FUTK" flap.
Then they doubled down again by releasing an angry, maybe even bitter, song as their "comeback."

For a group that sold as many albums as they did, they were kinda tone deaf when it came to understanding their market.

On one hand 8 years seems like a long time to hold a grudge. OTOH, I still change the station anytime Metallica comes on.

380 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:35am

re: #349 000G

( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)&#xFF89 ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) (  ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:&#xFF6 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

The Aristocrats!

381 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:15:44am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Translation?

"I'm not dead! Get me out of this damn box!"

"I thought you were dead"

"I got better"

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:16:35am

re: #379 RogueOne

On one hand 8 years seems like a long time to hold a grudge. OTOH, I still change the station anytime Metallica comes on.

"NAPSTER, BAD!"

383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:16:52am

re: #380 BongCrodny

Winner

384 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:19:19am

re: #383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW ,, (meant to ask awhile ago) who's the furry critter?

385 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:21:43am

re: #383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #384 sattv4u2

BTW ,, (meant to ask awhile ago) who's the furry critter?

McDuff on the left, Einstein on the right

fileImage: DSC00549.JPG

386 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:22:45am

C:UsersOwnerPicturesour boysDSC00549.JPG

gggrrrrr

387 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:23:13am

fergettabbouuttid! :(

388 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:24:53am

re: #385 sattv4u2

re: #384 sattv4u2

McDuff on the left, Einstein on the right

fileImage: DSC00549.JPG

Do you carry them around in your purse?

389 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:12am

re: #387 sattv4u2

It looks like you're pasting a URL that's for your own hard drive -
try LGF's "Upload Image" function instead.

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:50am

Just found "The Adventures of Mark Twain" starring Frederick March on In-Demand.

John Ford was the "Art Director".

The hell with y'all for a couple of hours.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:27:24am

re: #384 sattv4u2

My dog, Rocky. Five and a half pounds of thunder!

392 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:27:31am

re: #388 RogueOne

Do you carry them around in your purse?

I prefer calling it my Man Bag
[Link: www.ebags.com...]

393 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:28:32am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dog, Rocky. Five and a half pounds of thunder!

heh,, McDuff at a healthy 18 pounds (how, I have no idea as he eats at least that much per day
Einstien, the hyper one at a whopping 12 lbs

394 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:31:11am
395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:33:39am

re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm already back. No "Closed Captioning". Gosh, that pisses me off. Everything on TV should be closed captioned. I don't understand when it is not.

SATTV? How does it work? Not magnets, but CC?

396 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:13am

re: #394 iossarian

1) GET http://littlegreenfootballs.com/../C:/Documents/ba nk_password.doc
2) ???
3) PROFIT!


Prophet!!

[Link: www.goodreads.com...]

397 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:37am

re: #394 iossarian

1) GET http://littlegreenfootballs.com/../C:/Documents/ba nk_password.doc
2) ???
3) PROFIT!

Reminds me of one of my favorite sites:
[Link: 5z8.info...]

(I guess you'll have to scroll over to see the entire link)

398 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:56am

re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm already back. No "Closed Captioning". Gosh, that pisses me off. Everything on TV should be closed captioned. I don't understand when it is not.

SATTV? How does it work? Not magnets, but CC?

Live event or a movie/ pre recorded show?

399 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:35:23am

re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm already back. No "Closed Captioning". Gosh, that pisses me off. Everything on TV should be closed captioned. I don't understand when it is not.

SATTV? How does it work? Not magnets, but CC?

Why do you need it CC'd?

400 wheat-dogg  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:37:03am

re: #349 000G

( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)&#xFF89 ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) (  ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:&#xFF6 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

Asian smilies Linkage.

401 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:06am

Shower

Chiropractor

Grocery shopping

nap

Make dinner

Eat dinner

Nap

Go to work

Got a full day ahead of me kiddies

402 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:16am

I love this lady!:

Board OKs $125,000 settlement for woman injured by officer in traffic stop
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

The Metropolitan Police Department will pay $125,000 to settle a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who suffered a torn rotator cuff and neck ligaments, and three injured ribs during a 2008 traffic stop.
....
Looking for a parking spot, she admits considering making U-turn in front of the courthouse, 309 S. 3rd St., because she saw an open parking spot.

At the same time, she also saw motorcycle cop Goslar eyeing her. Instead, however, she found a parking spot and didn’t have to make the U-turn.

Even so, Goslar pulled up to her vehicle on his motorcycle.

“He told me, ‘You were going to make a U-turn back there,’” she recalled. “I said, ‘I was going to speed, too, but you can’t give me a ticket for it.’”

She said Goslar asked for her license and registration. She said she stepped out of her car with her documentation “he took my right arm and threw me up against the car.”

She said Goslar wrenched her right arm so high behind her back that she could see her fingers over her left shoulder. “I screamed ‘get the (expletive) off me. Where’s your probable cause?’”

He let her go then, she said, and told her she had failed to hand over her paperwork fast enough.

Goslar issued her a citation but a judge dismissed it.

403 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:59am

re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll shoot you a brief e-mail about how CC works on live events later

404 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:42:31am

Morning Honcos.

405 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:07am

Militants attack Egyptian gas pipeline to Israel

Al-Qaida-inspired militants have been increasingly active in Sinai since Mubarak's ouster on Feb. 11, taking advantage of the security vacuum caused by the abrupt withdrawal of police forces. Authorities have blamed the militants for attacks on police patrols as well as the previous five on the gas pipeline.

A powerful Bedouin group in Sinai warned Tuesday that they will not cooperate with authorities against such attacks unless the government releases thousands of Bedouin youth from prisons.

"The sons of Sinai are not responsible for anything happens on Sinai land and will not take part in the protection measures unless the government releases thousands of our people," Salem Uneizan, spokesman for the "Coalition of Free Sinai Sons" said.

406 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:10am

re: #402 RogueOne

motorcycle cop Goslar asked for her license and registration

In his new job, he gets to ask "wants fries with that, sir?"

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:37am

re: #398 sattv4u2

Movie. From 1944. Not like they haven't had time.

408 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:44:47am

re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Movie. From 1944. Not like they haven't had time.

Are you sure your TV settings are CC on? (some TV's even have different CC settings for different types of CC)

409 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:10am

re: #405 Killgore Trout

Militants attack Egyptian gas pipeline to Israel

,,,taking advantage of the security vacuum ,,,

I'm still nervous about how their "spring" is going to shake out in the end

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:57am

re: #403 sattv4u2

I understand live better than old movies.

411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:47:15am

re: #408 sattv4u2

Oh, yeah.

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:48:05am

re: #403 sattv4u2

I'm gonna wiki dive... don't worry about it.

413 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:58:29am

re: #412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm gonna wiki dive... don't worry about it.

K

And,,,,, OUT!

414 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:00:43am

I guess congrats are in order!

Charles Johnson emerges as Giants' top stakeholder
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

415 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:02:15am

re: #414 RogueOne

I guess congrats are in order!

Charles Johnson emerges as Giants' top stakeholder
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

I think our Charles is a little taller.

416 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:05:47am

re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar

found on the sidebar of this story:

'Troubling' frequency of Oakland cops pulling guns
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

As part of the fallout from the "Riders" scandal, the monitor looked at a random sampling of police reports from the first three months of this year and found 80 incidents in which officers drew their weapons, two of which resulted in fatal shootings.

Although the analysis found that officers had acted appropriately in a majority of the cases, court monitor Robert Warshaw and his team said they were "troubled by the high number of instances" - 28 percent - in which police didn't have to draw their guns.

"Officers frequently presumed - often, with no basis - that whomever they were contacting was armed," their report said.

The report also found that in more than three-fourths of the cases in which officers didn't have to pull their guns, the suspects were African American. Latino suspects were involved in 17 percent of those cases and white suspects in just 3 percent.

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:10:29am

re: #416 RogueOne

I wouldn't even drive through Oakland without an Armored Personnel Carrier covered in Raider flags. Just sayin'.

418 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:11:55am

re: #414 RogueOne

That's not the Charles Johnson you're looking for.

419 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:12:15am

re: #416 RogueOne

Off - topic, I guess you've been following this - but in case you haven't, I thought you'd find this interesting (seeing as how you've expressed the belief that "torture works,")

[Link: www.npr.org...]

420 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13:34am

The MTA has rejected Geller's "savages" ad campaign.

421 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13:52am

re: #419 Talking Point Detective

Off - topic, I guess you've been following this - but in case you haven't, I thought you'd find this interesting (seeing as how you've expressed the belief that "torture works,")

[Link: www.npr.org...]

I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.

422 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:16:12am

re: #420 lawhawk

The MTA has rejected Geller's "savages" ad campaign.

Someone needs to read more Dale Carnegie:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

423 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:18:29am

re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wouldn't even drive through Oakland without an Armored Personnel Carrier covered in Raider flags. Just sayin'.

If you're going make sure you wear your seat belt, obey the speed limit, and don't be black and you should be fine.

424 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:22:28am

re: #421 RogueOne

I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.

I think the "it never works" characterization is an exaggeration of the usual and better argument that it is unreliable.

425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:23:38am

Father of the Year nominee!!!!

APOLLO BEACH — A man walked into a bar Sunday, officials said. But it was no joke.

The man had brought his 9-month-old infant with him.

Deputies arrested Kristopher David Mills, 32, of Ruskin around 7 p.m. after he allegedly attacked three other patrons, attempted to escape arrest and then threatened to fight law enforcement officers after bringing his infant child with him to a local pub, deputies said.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

426 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:24:57am

re: #421 RogueOne

I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.

Can you on relatively rare occasions extract useful information with torture? I suppose so. One problem is that generally information extracted through torture is less reliable than information obtained through more accepted interrogation techniques. Another problem is that you would, on average, get that information more quickly through those other techniques.

I seems to me that the most important analysis is what method works better. If you think that something that works less well than something else can be called "working," then your argument makes sense.

427 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:26:06am

re: #424 garhighway

Even if I grant that it's unreliable the statement "it doesn't work" isn't factual.

428 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:29:08am

re: #421 RogueOne

I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.

The other thing is that if you listen to the interview, you will find in that in the specific case referenced, useful information was flowing under other interrogation techniques, and that once torture (or enhanced interrogation if you insist) the information stopped flowing. So, it seems that in this instance, torture did not work even in a relatively less efficient manner.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:45am

re: #425 Cannadian Club Akbar

There's a reason why Florida looks like a dick hanging off of the country.

430 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:32:40am

re: #428 Talking Point Detective

I've read his story before. If they were getting the information they wanted why would they change techniques? I don't know that the guy is telling a balanced retelling of the situation but I'm easily swayed with any argument that starts with "the CIA isn't very bright..."

431 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:36:30am

re: #430 RogueOne

I've read his story before. If they were getting the information they wanted why would they change techniques? I don't know that the guy is telling a balanced retelling of the situation but I'm easily swayed with any argument that starts with "the CIA isn't very bright..."

Because bureaucracy is more interested many times in establishing power and control than in getting results?

432 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:37:37am

re: #427 RogueOne

Even if I grant that it's unreliable the statement "it doesn't work" isn't factual.

If you have backpedalled from "it never works" to "it doesn't work" that's progress, I guess. But I would respectfully suggest that there is a difference between it working from time to time (no doubt people have, under torture, said true things) to it being reliable. If torture gets you truth sometimes and falsity sometimes, with no accurate predictor of which you are getting or which you are going to get, I would respectfully suggest that it is unreliable. At which point you have to ask yourself whether it is worth the candle? Is it worth it for us to violate our own laws, international law, and our own principles to use a technique that fails at its essential mission? Is the collateral damage it causes us worth whatever benefit it gains us? Unless your view is that we have so badly shit the bed in terms of our international reputation that any additional incremental damage thereto is just icing on the cake and inconsequential.

433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:38:45am

re: #430 RogueOne

Anybody who says that everybody does not have an agenda? Has an agenda for saying so.

The truth is only available to those who are involved with an event and are present.

I don't know if it works. I don't know if it doesn't work.

I know that personally? I am afraid of pain. I'll give up anybody in a heartbeat if I'm hurting or afraid I'll be killed.

I base my information on the fact that I am a huge fucking coward.

434 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:39:02am

re: #431 oaktree

I can agree with that. There is a massive turf war in the various intelligence communities which gives me a reason to both believe his story is accurate and not believe it at the same time.

435 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:40:50am

re: #406 sattv4u2

motorcycle cop Goslar asked for her license and registration

In his new job, he gets to ask "wants fries with that, sir?"

Hopefully...

436 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:41:07am

Good ad from the DNC. Way to call 'em out.

437 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:43:21am

Oh joy. One of the fake Gus stalker accounts on Twitter knows who I am and is adding my name to their inane shit.

Blocked and reported for spam already. What a tool.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:43:37am

re: #436 makeitstop

Helluvan ad.

I think John McCain would have called them out.

Of course, it helped get his ass kicked last time.

439 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:45:11am

Attn GOP voters: make up your minds.

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:45:58am

re: #437 Lidane

You should get that mole looked at.
/

441 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:47:07am

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Helluvan ad.

I think John McCain would have called them out.

Of course, it helped get his ass kicked last time.

Yep. The last man to call these crowds on their behavior was McCain. I don't agree with much when it comes to McCain, but that was a stand-up moment and he deserves credit for it.

This pack of wannabes is simply afraid of those who would nominate them. Not a good place from which to exhibit leadership.

442 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:48:38am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's a reason why Florida looks like a dick hanging off of the country.

your team kicks field goals.

443 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:05am

Oh, boy. They got a live one at Obama's speech last night...

Heckler Screamed ‘Anti-Christ’ At Obama Before Being Whisked Away

A lot of people in this country have flat-out lost their damn minds.

444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:23am

re: #441 makeitstop

Yep. The last man to call these crowds on their behavior was McCain. I don't agree with much when it comes to McCain, but that was a stand-up moment and he deserves credit for it.

This pack of wannabes is simply afraid of those who would nominate them. Not a good place from which to exhibit leadership.

But the Koch brothers are the leaders. What is on the stage is a bunch of power-hungry puppets.

445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:34am

re: #442 Cannadian Club Akbar

Six to be exact.

446 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:34am

re: #441 makeitstop

Yep. The last man to call these crowds on their behavior was McCain. I don't agree with much when it comes to McCain, but that was a stand-up moment and he deserves credit for it.

This pack of wannabes is simply afraid of those who would nominate them. Not a good place from which to exhibit leadership.

If my base were frothing hate cultists who were whipped into a frenzy by media forces trying to make them as angry and deranged as possible, I might be afraid of their nomination too.

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:51:23am

re: #441 makeitstop

I think that John McCain ran the most honorable, "Boy am I going to get my ass handed to me" campaign ever.

Yeah, though he nominated a no-talent rock-star running mate; I admired his honor during the campaign.

448 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:02am

re: #430 RogueOne

I've read his story before. If they were getting the information they wanted why would they change techniques? I don't know that the guy is telling a balanced retelling of the situation but I'm easily swayed with any argument that starts with "the CIA isn't very bright..."

I think that listening to the interview is worthwhile if you're interested in the topic. He's quite convincing.

As to your question - this isn't just a case of the CIA differing with the FBI on the recommended interrogation technique. This is the case of the CIA differing with significant majority (from what I've been able to tell) of expert interrogators, as well as established military rules and historical American legal precedent. It is also the case of the CIA relying on less experienced personnel to make decisions, as well as the CIA following directives from non-expert, and purely political entities in the Bush administration.

Sure - everyone has an agenda. But that's why it's important to look at all of the relevant information. Which is more likely - the CIA was following an political agenda imposed on them by the Bush administration, or the FBI was following a political agenda to reject, for political purposes, what the Bush administration wanted them to do?

449 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:41am

re: #432 garhighway

If you have backpedalled from "it never works" to "it doesn't work" that's progress, I guess.

I don't think that is a backpedal. It's an acknowledgement that it works.

But I would respectfully suggest that there is a difference between it working from time to time (no doubt people have, under torture, said true things) to it being reliable. If torture gets you truth sometimes and falsity sometimes, with no accurate predictor of which you are getting or which you are going to get, I would respectfully suggest that it is unreliable. At which point you have to ask yourself whether it is worth the candle? Is it worth it for us to violate our own laws, international law, and our own principles to use a technique that fails at its essential mission? Is the collateral damage it causes us worth whatever benefit it gains us? Unless your view is that we have so badly shit the bed in terms of our international reputation that any additional incremental damage thereto is just icing on the cake and inconsequential.

There are a lot of factors to consider but I'll agree that is the basis of the argument. Even if you say that it doesn't work well you still have to admit that it works. That's when you have to ask if it's worth it in addition to trying to nail down what techniques are actual "torture" and which aren't.

So we don't have to rehash the entire argument again how about I boil my stance down to the decision of what techniques that we use should be left up to the voters which is what I believe happened in 2008. I'm content to leave the decision to the majority.

450 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:54:17am

re: #443 makeitstop

A lot of people in this country have flat-out lost their damn minds.

See: Party, Tea. Also see: Base, Republican.

Some folks absolutely flipped their shit when the old white guy lost the election. It's been amazing to watch.

451 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:58:05am

re: #450 Lidane

See: Party, Tea. Also see: Base, Republican.

Some folks absolutely flipped their shit when the old white guy lost the election. It's been amazing to watch.

The vast majority have been pushed that way. Thirty years of heavy propaganda and daily doses of hate are starting to come to a head. You can't pump hatred into people for a generation and not expect severe consequences for the nation.

452 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:58:10am

re: #449 RogueOne

I don't think that is a backpedal. It's an acknowledgement that it works.

There are a lot of factors to consider but I'll agree that is the basis of the argument. Even if you say that it doesn't work well you still have to admit that it works. That's when you have to ask if it's worth it in addition to trying to nail down what techniques are actual "torture" and which aren't.

So we don't have to rehash the entire argument again how about I boil my stance down to the decision of what techniques that we use should be left up to the voters which is what I believe happened in 2008. I'm content to leave the decision to the majority.

If by "it works", you mean "it works sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't, and we really don't have any reliable way to tell when it is working and when it isn't", then yes, it works. Some people will tell you whatever you want to hear when you torture them. They will say whatever it takes to make the pain stop, and that means they read the interrogator, determine what they think he wants, and say it. Even if they have no earthly idea what the guy is really asking about, and they don;t give a shit, because they want to get your finger off of the power switch.

That guy will be every bit as convincing as the guy whom you have broken and is telling you the truth.

Good luck telling them apart.

454 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:00:50am

re: #453 Lidane

ROFL. What an ass:

ASKED IF HE’S RACIST, SHERIFF JOE SAYS, ‘I’M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE’

That's not a question where you want to take the 5th.

455 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:01:38am

re: #437 Lidane

Oh joy. One of the fake Gus stalker accounts on Twitter knows who I am and is adding my name to their inane shit.

Blocked and reported for spam already. What a tool.

...

But we're not stalkers!

Such pathetic, childish, little fools they are.

456 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:01:59am

re: #454 RogueOne

That's not a question where you want to take the 5th.

Especially if you're a public law enforcement official.

It's an obvious yes/no question. Either you are, or you're not.

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:02:12am

re: #454 RogueOne

That's not a question where you want to take the 5th.

He should have pulled the "I have Latino friends" card.
///

458 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:02:23am

re: #453 Lidane

ROFL. What an ass:

ASKED IF HE’S RACIST, SHERIFF JOE SAYS, ‘I’M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE’

If it was just his personal life, he wouldn't have been sued for racial profiling.

459 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:02:59am

Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.

460 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:03:02am

re: #457 Cannadian Club Akbar

He should have pulled the "I have Latino friends" card.
///

He has plenty of Latino's working for him....punching out license plates in the sun.

461 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:03:15am

re: #455 Gus 802

...

Such pathetic, childish, little fools they are.

I especially loved this illiterate post:

Gus_807 12:50am via Web
@SlinkyBewmont @Lidane Someone needs to sit in the Time Out Chair, and his initials are Charles Johnson.

462 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:03:57am

re: #451 Renaissance_Man

The vast majority have been pushed that way. Thirty years of heavy propaganda and daily doses of hate are starting to come to a head. You can't pump hatred into people for a generation and not expect severe consequences for the nation.

I had a short yet extremely sharp exchange with my fundie sister yesterday. She accused me, by way of my support for Obama, of 'taking America away from her.'

I asked her a simple question, to which I do not expect an answer, but I had to ask it anyway. The question was

Who has made me your enemy?

The fact that she considers me part of the masses who want to 'take away her freedom' saddens me. But I've come to the realization that she's been completely brainwashed and this will not change.

463 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:04:41am

Hey, Gus. Glad you're back.

464 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:04:51am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.

I know a guy with a pellet rifle with a scope on it. Not sure why he has a scope.

465 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:05:16am

re: #451 Renaissance_Man

The vast majority have been pushed that way. Thirty years of heavy propaganda and daily doses of hate are starting to come to a head. You can't pump hatred into people for a generation and not expect severe consequences for the nation.

In the middle of the Watergate mess, Nixon's AG made a frighteningly accurate prediction:

"This country is going so far right you are not even going to recognize it."

--John Mitchell, 1970

466 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:05:51am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.

I hope you're planning on eating those and not out there killing for fun.

467 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:06:31am

re: #461 Lidane

I especially loved this illiterate post:

You can tell who that is by the capitalization. Guess who follows that idiot? Yep, Andrew Breitbart. That's how much we live in all of their little brains.

Wingnuttery is a mental illness.

468 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:06:40am

re: #466 RogueOne

I hope you're planning on eating those and not out there killing for fun.

He should chuck 'em into the hippie's yard.

469 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:07:40am

re: #463 Sergey Romanov

Hey, Gus. Glad you're back.

Thanks. Thought I'd get back into my normal routine. ;)

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:14am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Who picks them up?

*shiver*

ewww

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:34am

re: #469 Gus 802

Thanks. Thought I'd get back into my normal routine. ;)

Hope you saw you got featured at the FP.

472 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:44am

re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar

He should chuck 'em into the hippie's yard.

I thought he was referring to the hippies!
(j/k)

And he can't eat them since they're too gamey already!
///

473 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:53am

re: #464 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know a guy with a pellet rifle with a scope on it. Not sure why he has a scope.

Mine has a scope too.[Link: www.remington.com...]
Pellet guns have changed a lot since I was a kid. It's pretty dam powerful. I suspect the effective range would be about 100 feet. Could easily kill a rabbit or raccoon.

474 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:09:23am

re: #462 makeitstop

The fact that she considers me part of the masses who want to 'take away her freedom' saddens me. But I've come to the realization that she's been completely brainwashed and this will not change.

Not without deprogramming. Which would be fine, if her cult was a traditional one that required her to live in a compound. This modern cult envelops people in their own homes, in their cars, at work, everywhere they go.

And worse yet, it turns families against themselves. Friends against friends. The only thing that matters to its victims is how much they hate their fellow Americans, their friends, and their families.

475 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:09:42am

re: #471 Sergey Romanov

Hope you saw you got featured at the FP.

Yeah, I did. You mean here at LGF right?

476 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:09:59am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.

You do know that it only sings when no one else is listening but you, don't you?

477 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:09am

re: #475 Gus 802

Yeah, I did. You mean here at LGF right?

Yeah. Pretty cool.

478 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:20am

re: #466 RogueOne

I hope you're planning on eating those and not out there killing for fun.

I would eat a rat in the event of a zombie apocalypse but not for fun. The squirrels on the other hand look pretty tasty.

479 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:25am

re: #451 Renaissance_Man

It's very interesting. I had dinner with some Republican friends the other evening. A few years ago they would joke about the fact that they are Republicans in a pretty liberal area. We would have mostly good-natured arguments about economics (they're socially fairly liberal and in any case we didn't really get into that, live and let live etc.). Basically we used to get on well in an "agree to disagree" kind of way, and mostly we still do.

I really noticed, the other night, however, that they seemed to be circling the wagons. They made a couple of pretty mean-spirited comments about prominent liberals and various recent news items. I got the impression they were trying to justify their political position: "see, liberals are arrogant/self-centered/unpleasant people, that's why it's OK to be a Republican". I mean, I think Ann Coulter is a pretty unpleasant person, but I wouldn't slag her off in the context of having dinner with these folks, because what's the point of being needlessly divisive?

I'm beginning to think that a lot of Republicans have backed themselves into a philosophical corner. So much of their platform is now logically inconsistent, the only way they can keep any kind of coherence is to basically blame everything on evil liberals (either that, or abandon the whole edifice, which I can absolutely appreciate requires immense intellectual courage).

480 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:49am

re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who picks them up?

*shiver*

ewww

You pick them up with a stick with a nail on the end. Duh.
/

481 The Left  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:00am

re: #477 Sergey Romanov

Yeah. Pretty cool.

It was a great page! I was glad to see it make the front page.

482 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:02am

re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar

He should chuck 'em into the hippie's yard.

They would freak out. I just dump them in the garbage.

483 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:32am

re: #477 Sergey Romanov

Yeah. Pretty cool.

Over 25,000 views no less. Tweets were a little week but that's fine.

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:47am

re: #466 RogueOne

I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.

If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.

485 allegro  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:12:08am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.

Rats reproduce pretty quickly so shooting them may be gratifying but won't do a lot to control the population. It sounds like you re having problems with Norway rats that will have nests in burrows in the immediate area. Gassing the nests is a lot more effective and can be done successfully with car exhaust. Just don't do it if the burrow is under a house.

486 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:12:56am

re: #474 Renaissance_Man

Not without deprogramming. Which would be fine, if her cult was a traditional one that required her to live in a compound. This modern cult envelops people in their own homes, in their cars, at work, everywhere they go.

Sad but true. I've tried for years to talk to her, to figure out why she vociferously and consistently argues against her own best interest. She can't, or won't, answer. I've given up.

But the question I asked her is the one I will ask any of my family or friends who attack me for not sharing their politics. I think it's a damned good one.

Who has made me your enemy?

487 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:06am

re: #481 iceweasel

It was a great page! I was glad to see it make the front page.

Hi Ice. Yeah, I did a couple of comments on that topic during the day and later decided why not make it into a page. So it all fell together. The hook of it all is the Reagan connection. I couldn't stop laughing to myself when I saw that.

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:09am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.

If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.

You must hate pie because Lord knows you like killing them!!!

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:12am

re: #476 oaktree

Michigan J. Frogg joke.

Awesome.

490 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:21am

re: #465 Decatur Deb

In the middle of the Watergate mess, Nixon's AG made a frighteningly accurate prediction:

"This country is going so far right you are not even going to recognize it."

--John Mitchell, 1970

I can't hink of Mitchell without thinking of Haldeman, Erlichman, ... and Dean (set to music...) so you reminded me of this article I didn't get around to Paging.

John W. Dean
Barack Obama Is A "Fox," Not a "Hedgehog," and Thus More Likely To Get It Right

491 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:14:25am

re: #479 iossarian

I'm beginning to think that a lot of Republicans have backed themselves into a philosophical corner. So much of their platform is now logically inconsistent, the only way they can keep any kind of coherence is to basically blame everything on evil liberals (either that, or abandon the whole edifice, which I can absolutely appreciate requires immense intellectual courage).

And that approach paints them farther and farther into the corner since it is essentially making a greater and greater emotional investment in that "your" group is right by demonizing the "other" group. Which makes a person admitting they are wrong more difficult. And the emotional debt makes the intellectual decision all the harder.

492 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:14:34am

re: #485 allegro

Rats reproduce pretty quickly so shooting them may be gratifying but won't do a lot to control the population. It sounds like you re having problems with Norway rats that will have nests in burrows in the immediate area. Gassing the nests is a lot more effective and can be done successfully with car exhaust. Just don't do it if the burrow is under a house.

I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.

493 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:14:56am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.

If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.

How do you feel about feral cats? The rule is you have to eat what you hunt or you're going to hell. State law.

494 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:10am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.

If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.

I HATE Bambi.

/

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:24am

re: #485 allegro

Norway rats also eat that "rakfisk" shite. That's gonna stink soon. Christmas is just around the corner.

496 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:26am

re: #493 RogueOne

How do you feel about feral cats? The rule is you have to eat what you hunt or you're going to hell. State law.

Generally speaking, cats have no trouble eating what they hunt.

497 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:46am

re: #491 oaktree

And that approach paints them farther and farther into the corner since it is essentially making a greater and greater emotional investment in that "your" group is right by demonizing the "other" group. Which makes a person admitting they are wrong more difficult. And the emotional debt makes the intellectual decision all the harder.

Precisely. You see it here on LGF all the time. It's human nature.

It's just tragic, and I don't see an endpoint.

498 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:51am

re: #479 iossarian

Just one thing I wanted to add to this, not because I want to trumpet my anecdotal data, but because I think it perfectly illustrates one of the inconsistencies of the Republican position.

One of the news items that these friends brought up was the Solyndra story, and the whole "campaign donors/sleaze" aspect of it.

I wanted to ask: "that's very interesting, and which political party has made it possible for corporations to essentially buy politicians without any possibility of scrutiny or transparency?"

But I didn't. They do cook a fine dinner after all.

499 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:53am

re: #479 iossarian

I'm beginning to think that a lot of Republicans have backed themselves into a philosophical corner. So much of their platform is now logically inconsistent, the only way they can keep any kind of coherence is to basically blame everything on evil liberals (either that, or abandon the whole edifice, which I can absolutely appreciate requires immense intellectual courage).

That's been true since the Clinton years. It just took a while for everyone else to catch on, because the only folks who were openly pointing that out were liberals, which gave the GOP cover.

It took the election of a black man to the White House for everyone else to start noticing the cognitive dissonance that's been driving the Republican party for a good while now.

500 allegro  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:17:09am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.

The poison you were using, probably warfarin, is really effective IF it is used along with environmental controls, i.e. removing as many other food sources as possible. Are your neighbors helping out at all?

501 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:17:54am

re: #493 RogueOne

How do you feel about feral cats? The rule is you have to eat what you hunt or you're going to hell. State law.

Feral cats around here feed the coyotes. Feral dogs eat the tourists, or try to. A few years ago the sheriff's department went hunting and killed 12 dogs. Didn't eat 'em, though.

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:18:05am

re: #496 EmmmieG

Generally speaking, cats have no trouble eating what they hunt.

And they will torture a rat before killing it. Now, what's wrong with that?
/

503 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:18:05am

re: #500 allegro

Are your neighbors helping out at all?

That's the problem right there.

Tragedy of the commons, really, being played out at Killgore's expense.

504 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:19:51am

re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And they will torture a rat before killing it. Now, what's wrong with that?
/

We should ask the rats which they prefer a little water boarding or poison and gas. Some of you are brutal////

505 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:20:21am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.

Yikes. Sounds like you needed to borrow a few trained terriers.

Just make sure they didn't have a small machine shop squirreled away down there or a leader named Darktan.

506 allegro  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:20:50am

re: #503 Obdicut

That's the problem right there.

Tragedy of the commons, really, being played out at Killgore's expense.

If their compost or other actions/conditions are creating the problem, the city/county health department needs to be notified to put some pressure on them. I know it doesn't seem "neighborly" but rats in those numbers are seriously dangerous and someone has to knock some sense into those folks.

507 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:22:12am

re: #499 Lidane

That's been true since the Clinton years. It just took a while for everyone else to catch on, because the only folks who were openly pointing that out were liberals, which gave the GOP cover.

It took the election of a black man to the White House for everyone else to start noticing the cognitive dissonance that's been driving the Republican party for a good while now.

I'm not sure everyone else has noticed. I made a post a while back about how it really is okay, in American society, to hate liberals. That sort of stuff is, well, kind of patriotic. At best, people get frustrated by 'both sides fighting'.

The worst part of cult propaganda is not that it makes cultists angrier. That's tragic, but a limited, local phenomenon. The worst part is that it infects public perception, and gradually shifts public perception to ignore all but its most blatant excesses. It really is okay to hate liberals, to push hate. I talk to a lot of people, and I hear some variant of 'yeah, FOX is pretty bad, but all the other networks are just as bad, so it all works out' all the time. Or 'sure, I don't believe he's a Muslim/Kenyan traitor/whatever, but he's pretty socialist blah blah blah wealth redistribution blah blah higher taxes'. That's the worst part - changing reality.

508 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:22:26am

re: #490 wrenchwench

Excellent article. I sometimes think Dean has had a sad life.

509 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:24:18am

Arg. The local Tea Partiers have started a "Tea Party Attack Watch". Makes me want to attack them.

510 The Left  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:24:32am

re: #507 Renaissance_Man

I'm not sure everyone else has noticed. I made a post a while back about how it really is okay, in American society, to hate liberals. That sort of stuff is, well, kind of patriotic. At best, people get frustrated by 'both sides fighting'.

The worst part of cult propaganda is not that it makes cultists angrier. That's tragic, but a limited, local phenomenon. The worst part is that it infects public perception, and gradually shifts public perception to ignore all but its most blatant excesses. It really is okay to hate liberals, to push hate. I talk to a lot of people, and I hear some variant of 'yeah, FOX is pretty bad, but all the other networks are just as bad, so it all works out' all the time. Or 'sure, I don't believe he's a Muslim/Kenyan traitor/whatever, but he's pretty socialist blah blah blah wealth redistribution blah blah higher taxes'. That's the worst part - changing reality.

The Overton Window on right wing eliminationist rhetoric has been dragged all the way to the right over the last two decades. Dave Newiert has been great on documenting this. Radio screamers like Rush did their part too well.

511 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:24:53am

re: #507 Renaissance_Man

We seem to be in the part of the US electoral cycle where the Politics of Rage are effective. It's not a new phenomena, but one that periodically comes back around and into prominence under different guises.

512 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:25:16am

Egyptian leaders continue trying to clamp down on terrorists in Sinai, particularly after they attacked the oil pipeline to Israel for the 6th time since Mubarak was booted.

Egyptian security attacked smuggling tunnels with Gaza killing 3. They flooded one particular tunnel with sewage but it's been a losing effort to stop the smuggling into Gaza.

513 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:25:20am

I love my wife to death but does everyone else's wife complain about her co-workers as much as mine? I may as well go to work with her and cut out the middle man because she's going to go on for hours going over each and every conversation she had during the day. Thanks to cellphones I don't even have to wait until she gets home in the evening, she calls me during the day to keep caught up on what's going on in her office.

514 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:27:11am

re: #513 RogueOne

I love my wife to death but does everyone else's wife complain about her co-workers as much as mine? I may as well go to work with her and cut out the middle man because she's going to go on for hours going over each and every conversation she had during the day. Thanks to cellphones I don't even have to wait until she gets home in the evening, she calls me during the day to keep caught up on what's going on in her office.

She needs somewhere to vent where it cannot possibly get back to her boss and get her in trouble. Just remember, she isn't asking you to fix anything.

I vent about my "co-workers" all the time. The frustrating part is that my co-workers will grow up and become mature and delightful to be around--a few years after they leave us.

Ah well, I'm only in it for the grandkids.

515 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:06am

re: #513 RogueOne

Buy her a pellet gun like KT's.

516 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:16am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.

You're getting into public health territory there. (You mentioned the hippies were composting disposable diapers--that's not hippie. Hippies use cotton reusables, moss, or the inner bark of birches.)

Time to drop a dime.

517 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:18am

re: #507 Renaissance_Man

I'm not sure everyone else has noticed. I made a post a while back about how it really is okay, in American society, to hate liberals. That sort of stuff is, well, kind of patriotic. At best, people get frustrated by 'both sides fighting'.

The worst part of cult propaganda is not that it makes cultists angrier. That's tragic, but a limited, local phenomenon. The worst part is that it infects public perception, and gradually shifts public perception to ignore all but its most blatant excesses. It really is okay to hate liberals, to push hate. I talk to a lot of people, and I hear some variant of 'yeah, FOX is pretty bad, but all the other networks are just as bad, so it all works out' all the time. Or 'sure, I don't believe he's a Muslim/Kenyan traitor/whatever, but he's pretty socialist blah blah blah wealth redistribution blah blah higher taxes'. That's the worst part - changing reality.

In all my life I've never seen one anti-conservative bumper sticker. However, I've seen countless anti-liberal bumper stickers of every stripe. This is not a general observation but one based on the specific usage of the word "liberal" versus "conservative."

518 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:31am

re: #500 allegro

The poison you were using, probably warfarin, is really effective IF it is used along with environmental controls, i.e. removing as many other food sources as possible. Are your neighbors helping out at all?

Yeah, I had a talk with them but they're serious hippies and thought rats are part of the natural environment. They were trying to compost baby diapers in an open compost pile. They've cleaned up but they're kinda stupid so they might not be much help in the long run.

519 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:46am

re: #510 iceweasel

The Overton Window on right wing eliminationist rhetoric has been dragged all the way to the right over the last two decades. Dave Newiert has been great on documenting this. Radio screamers like Rush did their part too well.

Ding for Neiwert.

520 The Left  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:30:32am

re: #519 Sergey Romanov

Ding for Neiwert.

he's great, isn't he? Even though I misspell his name all the time. ;)
I haven't been reading him regularly at Crooks and Liars-- must get back into that.
Back in a bit. Hope you all have a great day!

521 Syrius  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:30:56am

I think we should allow these TEA Party types to go back in time with no water treatment plants, no electricity, no plumbing...most of them would die off pretty quickly.

522 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:31:43am

re: #520 iceweasel

he's great, isn't he? Even though I misspell his name all the time. ;)
I haven't been reading him regularly at Crooks and Liars-- must get back into that.
Back in a bit. Hope you all have a great day!

Heh, absolutely same here. Used to pore over Orcinus. Don't really visit C&L. (But now LGF is actually a good substitute.)

523 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:31:57am

Time to run errands and buy that bb gun. Enjoy the rest of the day folks!

524 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:32:00am

re: #517 Gus 802

In all my life I've never seen one anti-conservative bumper sticker. However, I've seen countless anti-liberal bumper stickers of every stripe. This is not a general observation but one based on the specific usage of the word "liberal" versus "conservative."

I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).

I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.

525 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:32:24am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I had a talk with them but they're serious hippies and thought rats are part of the natural environment. They were trying to compost baby diapers in an open compost pile. They've cleaned up but they're kinda stupid so they might not be much help in the long run.

I wonder if their attitude will change if/when the baby (or them) gets bit by a rat. Fleas and lice are part of the natural environment as well...

:p

Gah. And I joke about reintroducing mountain lions and wolves to the inner city to consume ignorant and unobservant pedestrians.

526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:03am

re: #513 RogueOne

You must be one of those dumb-ass husbands who "listen" and "just let them vent" and "project empathy"?

You need to start interrupting her frequently, and with little thought; offering solutions to her problems. Wives love that.

527 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:17am

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I had a talk with them but they're serious hippies and thought rats are part of the natural environment. They were trying to compost baby diapers in an open compost pile. They've cleaned up but they're kinda stupid so they might not be much help in the long run.

Seriously? Wow. Get them a pamphlet on what does and doesn't go into compost pile. You don't compost just anything.

528 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:26am

re: #524 iossarian

I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).

I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.

I never understood it. That's like driving around and telling everyone around you "hey look, I'm an asshole." It's like they're looking for trouble or something. Really low life trash mentality at play here.

529 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:53am

Stupid voters enable broken government
So politically incorrect and so very true.

530 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:55am

re: #524 iossarian

I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).

I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.

Just get the kick-ass photo of Obama in the cowboy hat on the T-shirt and caption it "The Sheriff Is Near".

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:35:45am

re: #517 Gus 802

We know liberals can't read.
/

532 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:37:22am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We know liberals can't read.
/

That's because they're busy texting on their iPhones while driving down the road.

//

533 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:06am

re: #528 Gus 802

I never understood it. That's like driving around and telling everyone around you "hey look, I'm an asshole." It's like they're looking for trouble or something. Really low life trash mentality at play here.

It's a bizarre mindset.

"Get with the program, liberals! If you were just a conservative like me, you too could be driving a midsize Lexus and be married to a still-fairly-hot wife! And not have to think about the immense global inequity that makes these petty status tokens possible!"

534 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:20am

re: #521 Syrius

I think we should allow these TEA Party types to go back in time with no water treatment plants, no electricity, no plumbing...most of them would die off pretty quickly.

...

Let's bring back muskets and ball cannons to fight the Chinese!!

535 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:25am

re: #529 Varek Raith

Stupid voters enable broken government
So politically incorrect and so very true.

Great article. Great examples, too. Clear and flat-out.

536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:28am

re: #532 Gus 802

That's because they're busy texting on their iPhones in our Co-existing Priuses while driving down the road.

//

537 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:39:27am

The Bakken field is one of the largest oil shale deposits in the world, and the key resource being exploited is oil. Energy producers aren't interested in the natural gas that is being found at the same time.

In fact, much of it is being flared off - wasted. 100 million cubic feet are being burned off daily. That's enough to heat 500,000 homes per day.

The companies driving the oil-shale exploration and drilling claim that they can't effectively and cost-effectively deal with the collection and transmission of the gas to market because natural gas prices have dropped.

It is a tremendous waste of a limited natural resource to simply burn it off because it can't be collected and stored. Collection and storage seems to be more cost effective in the long run than burning it off and contributing to increased air pollution downwind.

The government should look at ways to increase the costs for flaring off the natural gas (because of the environmental pollution costs downwind and squandering a limited natural resource) and improving/streamlining pipeline development so that this limited resource isn't squandered.

538 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:39:44am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We know liberals can't read.
/

And reading is fundamental!

539 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:40:09am

re: #529 Varek Raith

Stupid voters enable broken government
So politically incorrect and so very true.

Quality. I love me some LZG.

Do I believe our politicians need to be perfect? No.
But damn, you would think people would draw the line at crack.

540 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:40:23am

re: #538 Sergey Romanov

And reading is fundamental!

But. But. Reading iz socialism!

//

541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:02am

re: #538 Sergey Romanov

EXACTLY!

542 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:21am

Saw a big ol' Gulfstream heading northwest low and slow. Might be a Secret Service advance team.

543 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:35am

re: #537 lawhawk

It's a criminal waste. That gas is a limited resource. Simply burning it harms the entire world and profits no one.

It's insane that we're in the 21st century and we're still acting like our resources are endless.

544 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:50am

re: #513 RogueOne

I love my wife to death but does everyone else's wife complain about her co-workers as much as mine? I may as well go to work with her and cut out the middle man because she's going to go on for hours going over each and every conversation she had during the day. Thanks to cellphones I don't even have to wait until she gets home in the evening, she calls me during the day to keep caught up on what's going on in her office.

My girlfriend does the same --- tells me everything. I sense her need to vent but at the same time it's not always venting --- just wanting another opinion. I listen but sometimes my thoughts do wander and she'll catch me, "Are you listening?"
I hate myself when that happens.

545 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:42:34am

Oh brother...

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Muslim American denied spot in Florida county Republican Party [Link: t.co...]

546 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:43:31am

re: #544 Semper Fi

My girlfriend does the same --- tells me everything. I sense her need to vent but at the same time it's not always venting --- just wanting another opinion. I listen but sometimes my thoughts do wander and she'll catch me, "Are you listening?"
I hate myself when that happens.

You hate not listening or hate being caught not listening?
/

547 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:43:53am

re: #476 oaktree

You do know that it only sings when no one else is listening but you, don't you?

548 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:43:54am

re: #544 Semper Fi

My girlfriend does the same --- tells me everything. I sense her need to vent but at the same time it's not always venting --- just wanting another opinion. I listen but sometimes my thoughts do wander and she'll catch me, "Are you listening?"
I hate myself when that happens.

We sometimes caught our teenaged son napping through the middle of his girlfriend's phone calls. She never seemed to notice.

549 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:44:17am

re: #538 Sergey Romanov

And reading is fundamental!

(Ahem. (c)NJDHockeyfan, for those who missed the fun yesterday ;).

550 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:44:29am

re: #545 Gus 802

Oh brother...

@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Muslim American denied spot in Florida county Republican Party [Link: t.co...]

Religious liberty! Individual rights!

551 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:44:34am

re: #537 lawhawk

The government should look at ways to increase the costs for flaring off the natural gas

SNIP

When will you learn that government isn't the solution, government is the problem?

You mess with the free market at your peril.

552 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:45:10am

re: #548 Decatur Deb

My crazy ex-wife would call me up talk for two minutes and then fall asleep. W hen I hung up she'd call me back angry that I'd hung up even though she'd been snoring and I really needed to study.

Did I mention she was crazy?

553 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:45:23am

re: #541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

EXACTLY!

Meh. I'm not a reader. I'm a writer!

554 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:45:57am

re: #545 Gus 802

Link doesn't work for me, but this does:

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

555 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:47:29am

The fun part of working in a game studio -- I just did voiceover stuff for a prototype demo that the devs are working on. Hee!

556 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:47:54am

re: #555 Lidane

The fun part of working in a game studio -- I just did voiceover stuff for a prototype demo that the devs are working on. Hee!

I hate you.
/
:P

557 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:48:51am

re: #555 Lidane

The fun part of working in a game studio -- I just did voiceover stuff for a prototype demo that the devs are working on. Hee!

How are you gentlemen

558 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:49:38am

re: #555 Lidane

There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.

559 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:49:50am

re: #551 iossarian

Pollution that affects the air quality is a cost that everyone bears, even though it isn't fully factored into energy prices or the cost of doing business downstream. Energy companies say that it's too costly to capture the flared gases - yet you've got municipal sewage systems like in NYC that are recapturing methane and other gases from sewage systems and landfills to sell or utilize for mitigating energy consumption for those facilities instead of flaring them off with no energy recapture.

They have a highly valued commodity that they're squandering because they can't get it to market. Make it easier to get it to market - but penalize those who don't with higher penalties.

560 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:49:51am

re: #557 iossarian

How are you gentlemen

!!

561 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:50:02am

re: #558 Obdicut

There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.

I hate you, too.
/

562 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:50:38am

re: #558 Obdicut

There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.

The original talk-like-a-pirate guy!

563 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:51:00am

re: #559 lawhawk

Of course, I agree with you. I was merely pointing out that we both disagree with 100% of Republican candidates for president of the USA.

564 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:52:00am

re: #554 Obdicut

Link doesn't work for me, but this does:

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Interesting. It seems he's affiliated with CAIR so that could be a problem although it looks like the wingnuts handled this very poorly.

565 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:52:31am

re: #563 iossarian

Of course, I agree with you. I was merely pointing out that we both disagree with 100% of Republican candidates for president of the USA.

You mean, you disagree with what they are saying.

Personally, I wonder what they really think. The Tea Partiers are so rabid (I know one, trust me, rabid), that they must be danced around.

566 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:52:45am

re: #554 Obdicut

Link doesn't work for me, but this does:

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Pathetic. And there's that "unindicted co-conspirator" bullshit again. How un-American is that? If they were never convicted or found guilty than "unindicted co-conspirator" merely remains hearsay, IMO. Anyone, or any group, for that matter could be considered an unindicted co-conspirator. But that's just part of the mess these idiots created:

"Terrorist!" said one man.

"Let him speak!" said another.

Members of Broward's Republican Party said Hamze was making a mockery of their rules and was trying to become a member as a publicity stunt.

"I don't have a positive impression of Mr. Hamze. I don't think he will be an asset to our party," said Scott Spages, who is involved in programs concerning radical Islam at his church, Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale.

In the end, the Broward Republican Executive Committee voted 11-158 to block him from committee membership. He can still attend meetings, but as a general member of the public.

"Wow," he said afterward. "If I had realized it would be like that, I wish they had just sent me a letter saying I was denied."

One Broward Republican member, blogger Javier Manjarres, objected to the process. "They singled him out," Manjarres said. "It was a set up."

Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Fecking amazing. Sounded like a Klan meeting.

567 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:53:03am

re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar

You hate not listening or hate being caught not listening?
/

Not listening for sure. She deserves my full attention.

568 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:54:07am

re: #565 EmmmieG

You mean, you disagree with what they are saying.

Personally, I wonder what they really think. The Tea Partiers are so rabid (I know one, trust me, rabid), that they must be danced around.

What they think is irrelevant. How they vote and (to a slightly lesser extent) what they say is all we have to go on.

Do you think Romney wouldn't nominate theocratic loons to the Supreme Court? Or sign gay marriage bans into law?

I don't.

569 Semper Fi  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:54:25am

re: #548 Decatur Deb

We sometimes caught our teenaged son napping through the middle of his girlfriend's phone calls. She never seemed to notice.

Wow! Now that's funny.

570 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:54:59am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

Interesting. It seems he's affiliated with CAIR so that could be a problem although it looks like the wingnuts handled this very poorly.

It only depends on which grounds he was denied. Whether he is a good guy or not doesn't matter - AFAIC since he is an aspiring Republican pol, he's not such a good guy in the first place.

Since they did have legitimate grounds (CAIR) it's a non-starter story.

571 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:55:30am

Direct from the Fever Swamp, today's outrageous outrage (one of them anyway):
Obama cracks jokes about devastating Texas wildfires

Obama cracks jokes about devastating Texas wildfires

You know, beneath the cool exterior of the basketball-playing hipster president, behind the facade of the partisan class warrior, there lurks a core truth — Barack Obama is a jackass:

While at a highdollar fundraiser San Jose, California, President Obama ridiculed Rick Perry.

“You’ve got a governor whose state is on fire denying climate change.” Obama said to laughter and applause, and added, “No, no, it’s true!”

It IS true, freeper derps. The weasel word stupid is strong with this bunch. Would a fair-minded person really conclude from this that Obama is ridiculing fire victims rather than our state's clueless and corrupt grifter-in-chief?

572 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:57:06am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

Interesting. It seems he's affiliated with CAIR so that could be a problem although it looks like the wingnuts handled this very poorly.

Yeah, he might be a canny CAIR guy interested mainly in showing their racism.

However, it might be that CAIR varies from state to state and that in Florida they're less wingnutty, kind of like the New York GOP being a lot saner than the Alabama GOP.

Looking over their stuff, they're still terrible on Israel, of course-- calling the Israeli response in Gaza a 'massacre'-- but the vast majority of stuff on their site is just about legitimate anti-Muslim crap going on in the US.

573 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:57:18am

re: #566 Gus 802

Pathetic. And there's that "unindicted co-conspirator" bullshit again. How un-American is that? If they were never convicted or found guilty than "unindicted co-conspirator" merely remains hearsay, IMO. Anyone, or any group, for that matter could be considered an unindicted co-conspirator. But that's just part of the mess these idiots created:

Fecking amazing. Sounded like a Klan meeting.

Agreed. And I've seen it argued that the unindicted co-conspirator status was only a ploy to make them testify - them and ca. 300 other Islamic groups. Most of which had nothing to do with that act in any case.

Now, that doesn't mean CAIR are suddenly good guys. But unless we're talking about an unindicted co-conspirator with an immunity (such as a President), this status doesn't mean a thing - tits charges or GTFO.

575 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:59:02am

re: #572 Obdicut

Yeah, he might be a canny CAIR guy interested mainly in showing their racism.

However, it might be that CAIR varies from state to state and that in Florida they're less wingnutty, kind of like the New York GOP being a lot saner than the Alabama GOP.

Looking over their stuff, they're still terrible on Israel, of course-- calling the Israeli response in Gaza a 'massacre'-- but the vast majority of stuff on their site is just about legitimate anti-Muslim crap going on in the US.

Any time the rules have to be changed to deal with an individual, there's either something wrong with the rules, or something wrong with the reason for changing them.

576 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:59:48am
577 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:59:52am

re: #570 Sergey Romanov

Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?

578 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:01:07am

re: #577 Obdicut

Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?

[Video]

CAIR... Ron Paul... Pat Buchanan?

579 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:01:25am

re: #524 iossarian

I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).

I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.

I actually saw a car with an oldie of a bumper sticker - a peace sign with the words 'Footprint of the American Chicken.' I hadn't seen one of those since the early Seventies.

And the guy who was driving the car looked to be about 80 and like a stiff breeze would blow him over. An elderly, shriveled asshole, but an asshole nonetheless.

580 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:01:59am

re: #574 Varek Raith

Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns

To a typical TPer this makes sense: Liberals are always doing things they don't understand, like reading old novels and listening to Beethoven and feeding homeless people. At the same time, the TP masses have the word of their leaders that liberals and all their works are evil, so it is natural to assume evil intent even if one is incapable of understanding the reasoning behind it.

581 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:02:14am

re: #574 Varek Raith

Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns

...

The fact that he has not done anything proves that he's about to do something!

Hey! What was that? Did you hear that? Something's out there!

582 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:02:39am

re: #575 wrenchwench

I've seen bad stuff about CAIR. And while they're probably not as bad as Geller would describe them (tho still quite bad), this is the picture an average Republican is getting.

Now, the question is, did they vote against him because he's a Muslim or because of their view of CAIR? Let's even assume that they're deluded about CAIR, I think it doesn't matter much. They still have a legitimate (as they see it) reason for voting him down. I.e. we simply cannot state that it was because of him being a Muslim. (Deep down we do suspect any Muslim wouldn't pass. But...)

583 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:03:52am

re: #577 Obdicut

Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?

[Video]

Hmm. Well, if these particular people wouldn't have voted down a Paulie, then I would say "go with it".

584 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:04:07am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

I've seen bad stuff about CAIR. And while they're probably not as bad as Geller would describe them (tho still quite bad), this is the picture an average Republican is getting.

Now, the question is, did they vote against him because he's a Muslim or because of their view of CAIR? Let's even assume that they're deluded about CAIR, I think it doesn't matter much. They still have a legitimate (as they see it) reason for voting him down. I.e. we simply cannot state that it was because of him being a Muslim. (Deep down we do suspect any Muslim wouldn't pass. But...)

Then there was something wrong with the rules.

585 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:04:27am

re: #577 Obdicut

Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?

[Video]

That question answers itself.

586 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:04:53am

re: #558 Obdicut

There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.

That's pretty cool. I shall henceforth refer to you as 'Five Pirates.' :)

How was the party last night?

587 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:05:23am

re: #586 makeitstop

That's pretty cool. I shall henceforth refer to you as 'Five Pirates.' :)

How was the party last night?

He's five pirates! How could the party not be cool?

588 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:06:35am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

CAIR is bad. They take what I believe is a deliberately distorted view on Israel, one that ignores or ameliorates the lack of a negotiating position for Israel to deal with. In addition, they've called it a terrorist state, a racist state, and a state committing genocide.

[Link: www.adl.org...]

They do have solid research and reports on anti-Muslim stuff in the US, though. But as an organization, their anti-Israel bias is cartoonish.

589 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:07:02am

re: #587 EmmmieG

He's five pirates! How could the party not be cool?

True! Any party is better with five pirates! :)

590 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:07:05am

re: #572 Obdicut

Looking over their stuff, they're still terrible on Israel, of course-- calling the Israeli response in Gaza a 'massacre'-- but the vast majority of stuff on their site is just about legitimate anti-Muslim crap going on in the US.

Yeah, I took a look at the CAIR fla website and it seems fairly tame. They might have cleaned up some but I'm pretty sure they were involved with Sami Al-Arian who was convicted of supporting terrorists.

591 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:07:52am

re: #588 Obdicut

A savvy org representing Muslims would simply shut up about Israel, IMHO. I mean, it's not the topic directly affecting Muslims in the US.

592 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:09:18am

re: #567 Semper Fi

Not listening for sure. She deserves my full attention.

You're a sweetie.

593 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:09:37am

re: #586 makeitstop

That's pretty cool. I shall henceforth refer to you as 'Five Pirates.' :)

How was the party last night?

Oh man I'm kind of glad you didn't come, it was a little boring. There were only like ten people, and though there were some very interesting people there the boring people just broke up the flow so bad. And Annie and Michel only got to play a little. It was a cocktail party without the cocktails, and on just wine nobody got loose enough. And there was one older actress who made so many bad jokes I thought she was auditioning for the role of inverse drag-wearing Archie Bunker. It was surreal.


We're doing the Met today.

594 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:10:52am

re: #591 Sergey Romanov

A savvy org representing Muslims would simply shut up about Israel, IMHO. I mean, it's not the topic directly affecting Muslims in the US.

Exactly. That they just can't let it go worries me, as does their hyperbole on the subject. They're not anywhere close to reasonable. Which is in direct contrast to some of their domestic stuff.

595 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:12:54am
596 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:13:01am

re: #593 Obdicut

Oh man I'm kind of glad you didn't come, it was a little boring. There were only like ten people, and though there were some very interesting people there the boring people just broke up the flow so bad. And Annie and Michel only got to play a little. It was a cocktail party without the cocktails, and on just wine nobody got loose enough. And there was one older actress who made so many bad jokes I thought she was auditioning for the role of inverse drag-wearing Archie Bunker. It was surreal.

We're doing the Met today.

Yikes! Sorry to hear that.

The Met will definitely make things better.

597 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:13:04am

re: #568 iossarian

Do you think Romney wouldn't nominate theocratic loons to the Supreme Court? Or sign gay marriage bans into law?

Romney will do or say whatever he needs to do or say to win the next election. Period.

598 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:14:57am

re: #591 Sergey Romanov

A savvy org representing Muslims would simply shut up about Israel, IMHO. I mean, it's not the topic directly affecting Muslims in the US.

Not sure about the second half of that statement - I mean, whatever the rights or wrongs of the IP debate, I don't see how it affects Muslims (or at least, those of Middle Eastern origin) in the US any less than it affects any other US citizens.

This is not to say that their position is the right one, only that they can justifiably claim to be "affected" by the political situation there, in that they feel an attachment to the region.

599 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:16:46am

Here is a debate topic (good morning, btw):
Yesterday, we discussed NJD's habit of posting something, then getting into logic-defying arguments to support postions and being border-line trolly in his behaviour. But, he does, as one member put it, "stick around" to debate his points.

I have a much bigger issue with those "members" whose only contribution to the page is to post an uncommented link to always the same site, making ever the same point, and never bothering to discuss the points made, or provide any "value-added" links, data, opinion, or whatever to enhance the simple link. It is, essentially, a bookmark that keeps popping up on the "Recent Pages" feed.

What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?

600 The Left  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:17:57am

re: #581 Gus 802

...

It must be nice to have a world view that can't be falsified-- all evidence, even the lack of evidence (maybe especially the lack) is all just PROOF OF TEH CONSPIRACIE! for these folks.

601 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:18:30am

re: #598 iossarian

Not sure about the second half of that statement - I mean, whatever the rights or wrongs of the IP debate, I don't see how it affects Muslims (or at least, those of Middle Eastern origin) in the US any less than it affects any other US citizens.

This is not to say that their position is the right one, only that they can justifiably claim to be "affected" by the political situation there, in that they feel an attachment to the region.

Well, sure, but when we're talking about the org that basically tackles human rights issues inside the US, why does it have to have any POV in I-P?

602 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:19:12am

re: #597 garhighway

Romney will do or say whatever he needs to do or say to win the next election. Period.

That would put him in the same bucket as all the other politicians in Washington.

603 recusancy  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:19:19am

re: #599 imp_62

Here is a debate topic (good morning, btw):
Yesterday, we discussed NJD's habit of posting something, then getting into logic-defying arguments to support postions and being border-line trolly in his behaviour. But, he does, as one member put it, "stick around" to debate his points.

I have a much bigger issue with those "members" whose only contribution to the page is to post an uncommented link to always the same site, making ever the same point, and never bothering to discuss the points made, or provide any "value-added" links, data, opinion, or whatever to enhance the simple link. It is, essentially, a bookmark that keeps popping up on the "Recent Pages" feed.

What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?

Yes that's bad. Probably bannable or at least some sort of auto hide feature would be nice. But NJD does not add any value to his posted links either. He was called on it yesterday and said "read the article". That's it. And that's what he normally does. All he sticks around to do is post more links or say "read the article".

604 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:19:41am

re: #600 iceweasel

It must be nice to have a world view that can't be falsified-- all evidence, even the lack of evidence (maybe especially the lack) is all just PROOF OF TEH CONSPIRACIE! for these folks.

Falsifiability is the core analytical tool for the validation of any position. If a theory is unfalsifiable, it is wrong. Period.

605 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:20:11am

re: #558 Obdicut

There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.

You must be like all, aarr!

606 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:20:45am

re: #603 recusancy

Yes that's bad. Probably bannable or at least some sort of auto hide feature would be nice. But NJD does not add any value to his posted links either. He was called on it yesterday and said "read the article". That's it. And that's what he normally does. All he sticks around to do is post more links or say "read the article".

Ok, so NJD aside as an example, you come down on the side of thinking that the second thing is more abusive?

607 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:15am

re: #599 imp_62

Here is a debate topic (good morning, btw):
Yesterday, we discussed NJD's habit of posting something, then getting into logic-defying arguments to support postions and being border-line trolly in his behaviour. But, he does, as one member put it, "stick around" to debate his points.

I have a much bigger issue with those "members" whose only contribution to the page is to post an uncommented link to always the same site, making ever the same point, and never bothering to discuss the points made, or provide any "value-added" links, data, opinion, or whatever to enhance the simple link. It is, essentially, a bookmark that keeps popping up on the "Recent Pages" feed.

What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?

are you talking about aigle, the CAMERA spammer? He/She/It sucks.

608 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:28am

re: #604 imp_62

Falsifiability is the core analytical tool for the validation of any position. If a theory is unfalsifiable, it is wrong. Period.

It's not wrong, it's unscientific, and then only according to Popper, whose analysis is not universally accepted nowadays.

609 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:50am

re: #598 iossarian

Not sure about the second half of that statement - I mean, whatever the rights or wrongs of the IP debate, I don't see how it affects Muslims (or at least, those of Middle Eastern origin) in the US any less than it affects any other US citizens.

This is not to say that their position is the right one, only that they can justifiably claim to be "affected" by the political situation there, in that they feel an attachment to the region.

I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.

610 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:54am

re: #607 Alouette

are you talking about aigle, the CAMERA spammer?

You saw my comment on aigle's page? Yes.

611 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:23:12am

re: #608 Sergey Romanov

It's not wrong, it's unscientific, and then only according to Popper, whose analysis is not universally accepted nowadays.

We've had the Popper discussion in the past... But since the theory of falsifiability is falsifiable, isn't that a validation? But anyway, as applied to conspiracy theories, I think it holds true.
:)

612 recusancy  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:23:21am

re: #606 imp_62

Ok, so NJD aside as an example, you come down on the side of thinking that the second thing is more abusive?

I don't read or really even look at the right side bar so I don't really notice it. I don't think anything is worse or better. If that other person doesn't even bother to post in the comments about unrelated stuff then he/she's pretty much valueless to the blog and probably should be banned. Just for adding unnecessary clutter.

613 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:23:40am

re: #601 Sergey Romanov

Well, sure, but when we're talking about the org that basically tackles human rights issues inside the US, why does it have to have any POV in I-P?

Well, I can see two reasons:

A) Because a lot of its members have strong opinions on that debate, and it exists at least in part in order to give voice to those opinions.

B) Because its members make a connection (rightly or wrongly) between US policy in the Middle East and the treatment of Muslims in the US.

614 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:24:25am

re: #612 recusancy

I don't read or really even look at the right side bar so I don't really notice it. I don't think anything is worse or better. If that other person doesn't even bother to post in the comments about unrelated stuff then he/she's pretty much valueless to the blog and probably should be banned. Just for adding unnecessary clutter.

I'm very interested in the right side bar, but if something doesn't interest me, I just don't click.

615 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:24:37am

re: #610 imp_62

You saw my comment on aigle's page? Yes.

I generally don't bother to look at aigle's links since I can go to CAMERA directly if I am so inclined. However lately I have been disinclined because of the amount of spam they send out (here, Twitter, Facebook and elsewhere)

616 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:24:38am

I dunno. Aigle and the like don't bother me at all. It's like a newsfeed. If I see a potentially interesting item, I click. I don't necessarily need a long descr. beyond the title.

617 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:25:06am

re: #609 Killgore Trout

I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.

I think they are having the discussion. It simply does not get the air- or webtime that CAIR et al command. Jewish social structure is more permissive of open dissent, at this point of history.

618 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:25:39am

re: #613 iossarian

Well, again, they're free to do anything they want. They just don't fall under my def of a savvy org, is all.

619 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:26:39am

re: #616 Sergey Romanov

I dunno. Aigle and the like don't bother me at all. It's like a newsfeed. If I see a potentially interesting item, I click. I don't necessarily need a long descr. beyond the title.

I like the idea of an ignore feature, though. Maybe Charles will use some of his ample free time (/ sarc) to code one.

620 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:27:07am

re: #599 imp_62

What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?

Is this a quiz? Does it count towards our final grade?

621 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:28:11am

re: #609 Killgore Trout

Completely agree with this.

622 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:28:33am

re: #612 recusancy

I don't read or really even look at the right side bar

Why not? You don't even know what you're missing if you don't look at it.

623 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:29:12am

re: #620 garhighway

Is this a quiz? Does it count towards our final grade?

Lollipops for the highest score.

624 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:29:23am

re: #618 Sergey Romanov

Well, again, they're free to do anything they want. They just don't fall under my def of a savvy org, is all.

That's fair enough, it certainly isn't "savvy" in terms of building mainstream support in the US.

625 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:29:57am

Let a hundred flowers bloom!

/ONOZ! I just quoted a murderous commie!

626 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:31:13am

PS: the commie is murderous but the principle is good. Magnets!

627 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:31:22am

re: #619 imp_62

I like the idea of an ignore feature, though. Maybe Charles will use some of his ample free time (/ sarc) to code one.

Slasher: A downding? ummmm - why?

628 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:34:13am

I figure I'm about as far left as Dwight Eisenhower, which makes me practically a Bolshevik in the present context.

629 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:35:28am

re: #627 imp_62

I don't like INTIMIDATION.
You may not like NJD, but he does stick around, and he is polite, and is not a name caller. You no likepost, you no read/comment. We are not wasting paper here.

630 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:36:34am

re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher

I don't like INTIMIDATION.
You may not like NJD, but he does stick around, and he is polite, and is not a name caller. You no likepost, you no read/comment. We are not wasting paper here.

C'mon. Imp defended NJD yesterday.

631 recusancy  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:36:50am

re: #622 wrenchwench

Why not? You don't even know what you're missing if you don't look at it.

It seems to just be news item postings. The few that are personal stories or insights similar to what you'd find on dkos are interesting but those are too far and few between. Plus Charles has been promoting those to the front page so I'm not really missing them either.

As far as the news clip postings, I've already gone through all my news feeds by the time I've gotten to this site so I don't need to know what Apple is doing or what other blogs said about some news item or what poll came out.

632 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:36:58am

And...here's your shaggy dog story for the morning.

[Link: blog.oregonlive.com...]

633 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:37:34am

I just thought we needed a shaggy dog story.

634 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:38:08am

re: #633 EmmmieG

I just thought we needed a shaggy dog story.

This thread needs more cute kittens. And cowbell.

635 iossarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:38:32am

BBL

636 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:38:42am

re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher

I don't like INTIMIDATION.
You may not like NJD, but he does stick around, and he is polite, and is not a name caller. You no likepost, you no read/comment. We are not wasting paper here.

OK. Now, first of all, I was the first person to stand up for NJD yesterday. This is not about him. Secondly, my support for the idea of an ignore button is driven by the fact that some posters, IMO, abuse the lgf platform as a redistributor of "naked" links. I would like to ignore those members.

How is any of this "Intimadation"?

637 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:39:15am

re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher

and is not a name caller.

He made an exception for Stanley Sea yesterday....

638 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:40:55am

re: #631 recusancy

Fair enough.

639 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:42:18am

re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher

Anyway, nbd. Misunderstandings happen.

640 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:42:20am

re: #636 imp_62

I don't mean to be an ass. With your previous #599 post it sounded a lot like group think mentality banning the unwashed/unliked. NJD gets a lotta shit IMO.

641 Gus  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:43:22am

Got to get some paying work here done. Later folks.

642 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:43:38am

re: #640 Shropshire_Slasher

I'd never use an ignore button. That's not what LGF is about, for me. At its best, it's about forcing you, or me, to confront opinions we disagree with that are presented well.

643 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:43:53am

re: #640 Shropshire_Slasher

I don't mean to be an ass. With your previous #599 post it sounded a lot like group think mentality banning the unwashed/unliked. NJD gets a lotta shit IMO.

Nope. Complete misunderstanding. I have only ever recommended the removal of one page, and that was for legal/regulatory reasons.

644 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:44:35am

re: #643 imp_62

{{{GROUP HUG}}}}

645 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:44:42am

I gotta do some work.

646 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:48:13am

re: #642 Obdicut

I'd never use an ignore button. That's not what LGF is about, for me. At its best, it's about forcing you, or me, to confront opinions we disagree with that are presented well.

Agreed, when there is some sort of opinion, or the poster is willing to discuss. But I would say that there are clearly some members who don't state opinions, don't engage, and are simply reposting. An option to ignore those posters would not suppress the exchange of ideas here, would it? It would simply clean up the page and allow me to see more value-added posts. Anyway, I am not advocating for an "ignore" button; I simply wish people would actually take advantage of this awesome free resource to engage in debate, discussion - hell even banter and socializing! But, I suppose that is their loss.

647 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:48:42am

re: #645 wrenchwench

UPS show up again already?

649 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:49:21am

re: #644 Shropshire_Slasher

{{{GROUP HUG}}}

Hehehe - I'm a sucker for hugs. It's the sensitive Eurotrash side of me...

650 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:49:25am

re: #644 Shropshire_Slasher

{{{GROUP HUG}}}

And now the blood orgy! (c) Woodland Critters

651 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:49:53am

re: #646 imp_62

I have no problem with the existence of an ignore button. I just wouldn't use it. And if someone chose to 'ignore' someone other than a complete troll, I'd think much less of them.

652 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:52:30am

re: #651 Obdicut

I have no problem with the existence of an ignore button. I just wouldn't use it. And if someone chose to 'ignore' someone other than a complete troll, I'd think much less of them.

What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?

653 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:53:48am

Y'all are arguing over little ol' me?
I'm honored!
:)

654 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:54:02am

re: #652 EmmmieG

What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?

There aren't that many shaggy dog stories.

655 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:54:27am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Y'all are arguing over little ol' me?
I'm honored!
:)

Only by mistake.

656 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:54:56am

re: #652 EmmmieG

What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?

I have a really good story about someone who told shaggy dog stories about tellers of shaggy dog stories. See, this guy was living on a really busy intersection, and it was the day of the GOP debate, but he wasn't planning on watching it, because his wife had already decided that they should go away for Thanksgiving.

More?

657 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:14am

Well I have a pet peeve. I listen to a lot of radio, and when I hear about a local business, it annoys me greatly that the professional paid announcer can't pronounce the town correctly. Take the town of Coxsackie, NY. It is pronounced 'cook-saki" (like saki wine). In this paid advert, it is pronounced 'cock-suckie' I would hate to live in that town (unless you are into that thing, who am I to judge!), or have paid for that advert.

658 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:32am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

No, I was using you as a bad example. Get back in the corner ;)

659 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:39am

re: #654 Sergey Romanov

There aren't that many shaggy dog stories.

No? They made a movie about one!

660 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:52am

re: #652 EmmmieG

What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?

What's a shaggy dog story?

Is that when someone-- I mean, maybe it's someone online, maybe in person, you might have met this person in a bar when you were trying to catch the eye of the bartender but the bartender was hitting on some chick so you had trouble getting his eye and so this old-timer, this real Rime of the Ancient Mariner dude just collars you and begin telling you a long, long story, and he seems like an interesting dude so maybe somewhere at the end of the story there's going to be a payoff, but you finally catch the bartender's eye and he comes over and you order a drink and the you ask the guy to finish his story and he starts all over from the beginning and it's all about some guy collaring him at a bar and beginning to tell him an interminable story while he tried to get the bartender's attention?

661 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:56:29am

re: #658 imp_62

No, I was using you as a bad example. Get back in the corner ;)

That's what my wife keeps saying to the kids.

662 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:57:06am

re: #661 NJDhockeyfan

That's what my wife keeps saying to the kids.

My brother, I don't think she's talking to the kids....

663 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:58:00am

re: #662 imp_62

My brother, I don't think she's talking to the kids...

Oh, she is. "Don't be like daddy!"

664 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:58:15am

re: #651 Obdicut

I've already got an "ignore" button. It's called the scroll button on my mouse - if there's something I don't care to read, I simply skip over it. If there's stuff in the links that are interesting, I read. If not, then I don't.

No need to go beyond that IMO - so I'm with you.

665 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:58:38am

re: #663 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, she is. "Don't be like daddy!"

You just made my point. Think about it....

666 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:59:03am

re: #664 lawhawk

I've already got an "ignore" button. It's called the scroll button on my mouse - if there's something I don't care to read, I simply skip over it. If there's stuff in the links that are interesting, I read. If not, then I don't.

No need to go beyond that IMO - so I'm with you.

tl;dnr
//

667 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:59:27am

re: #648 Killgore Trout

Stossel: Why I Approve of Berkeley's 'Racist' Bake Sale

The comments are a kaleidoscope of tp talking points and fractured bigot "folk wisdom." I especially liked this one, yet another variation on the morons' "book learnin' vs. commonsense" meme:

Try drilling in a work ethic instead. I'll take an employee who will actually show up over a well educated one any day. That's the biggest problem I see. We hire people, and then the don't show half the time, so we have to let them go. You can train for the job. But if they didn't learn work ethic by the time they actually enter the work force, then it's probably too late.

Yeah, asshole, there's no work involved in getting an education. I have a PhD, no doubt this fool thinks it was donated because of my good looks and awesome political connections. Actually, I got it on the GI Bill, which is not a bribe to induce lazy vets to vote librul, but something I damned well earned in Vietnam among other places. I also worked as a security guard at the Motel 6 while I was in college, spending hours in a lab then more hours fighting drunks and crazy rednecks like this asshole. Same with my military retirement check, which some of these salt of the earth types also find a cause for bellyaching. Fuck them, I'm keeping Uncle Sam's money.

668 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:59:53am

Monster Puppy came home from his Tri-State Show tour all full of himself. Other two dogs weren't so impressed. So for three days, now, I've had three dogs "wrestling" and making very loud violent sounds. All while wagging their tails.

Monster Puppy on his back underneath the other two, growling and biting is while wagging his tail is rather humorous.

How has your day been so far?

669 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:00:24am

re: #657 Shropshire_Slasher

Well I have a pet peeve. I listen to a lot of radio, and when I hear about a local business, it annoys me greatly that the professional paid announcer can't pronounce the town correctly. Take the town of Coxsackie, NY. It is pronounced 'cook-saki" (like saki wine). In this paid advert, it is pronounced 'cock-suckie' I would hate to live in that town (unless you are into that thing, who am I to judge!), or have paid for that advert.

They should have thought of that before they named the town!

670 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:00:41am

re: #668 ggt

Like a baby treats a diaper.

671 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:02:07am

re: #668 ggt

Monster Puppy came home from his Tri-State Show tour all full of himself. Other two dogs weren't so impressed. So for three days, now, I've had three dogs "wrestling" and making very loud violent sounds. All while wagging their tails.

Monster Puppy on his back underneath the other two, growling and biting is while wagging his tail is rather humorous.

How has your day been so far?

Like lancing boils on my mother-in-law's ass.

672 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:03:07am

re: #671 imp_62

Like lancing boils on my mother-in-law's ass.

Yeah, but good or bad? ///

673 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:03:43am

re: #668 ggt

Monster Puppy came home from his Tri-State Show tour all full of himself. Other two dogs weren't so impressed. So for three days, now, I've had three dogs "wrestling" and making very loud violent sounds. All while wagging their tails.

Monster Puppy on his back underneath the other two, growling and biting is while wagging his tail is rather humorous.

How has your day been so far?

I love the name "Monster Puppy".

674 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:04:08am

Yeah, but my shaggy dog story was about a shaggy dog.

That got into traffic and then got home.

Which is probably even less interesting than a "shaggy dog story."

675 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:05:11am

re: #670 Shropshire_Slasher

Like a baby treats a diaper.

re: #671 imp_62

Like lancing boils on my mother-in-law's ass.

ooh, doesn't sound good.

676 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:05:39am

re: #674 EmmmieG

Yeah, but my shaggy dog story was about a shaggy dog.

That got into traffic and then got home.

Which is probably even less interesting than a "shaggy dog story."

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

677 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:05:42am

re: #674 EmmmieG

Yeah, but my shaggy dog story was about a shaggy dog.

That got into traffic and then got home.

Which is probably even less interesting than a "shaggy dog story."

Monster Puppy isn't shaggy. He is show groomed and looks FABULOUS.

:)

678 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:06:17am

re: #677 ggt

Monster Puppy isn't shaggy. He is show groomed and looks FABULOUS.

:)

Which is more than I can say for my sons. If we get as far as a clean shirt and face, I'm happy.

679 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:06:54am

re: #677 ggt

Monster Puppy isn't shaggy. He is show groomed and looks FABULOUS.

:)

NTTAWWT!

680 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:06:58am

re: #672 Sergey Romanov

Not Imp's Mother-in-Law

681 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:07:31am

re: #675 ggt

re: #671 imp_62

ooh, doesn't sound good.

Slasher yelled at me.

682 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:08:03am

re: #678 EmmmieG

Which is more than I can say for my sons. If we get as far as a clean shirt and face, I'm happy.

Oh - Teenagers.

683 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:08:47am

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

“And the question was asked, should we normalize trading with Cuba? Why would you normalize trading with a country that sponsors terror?” Bachmann said. “Cuba — there’s reports that have come out that Cuba has been working with another terrorist organization called Hezbollah. And Hezbollah is potentially looking at wanting to be part of missile sites in Iran.

“And, of course, when you’re 90 miles offshore from Florida, you don’t want to entertain the prospect of hosting bases or sites where Hezbollah could have training camps or perhaps have missile sites or weapons sites in Cuba. This would be foolish.”

684 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:09:08am

re: #678 EmmmieG

Which is more than I can say for my sons. If we get as far as a clean shirt and face, I'm happy.

ahhahah

There is one family that comes into the store in which I work. They have the most adorable little boy --his face is ALWAYS dirty. Nothing else, just his face. One day he came in with a clean face and I commented that he must be sick, jokingly.

They laughed and said they-all had to wrestled him to the ground and went over him with a wash cloth before they left the house.

685 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:10:06am

re: #681 imp_62

Slasher yelled at me.

If a slasher merely yells at you, it's a good day indeed.

686 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:10:38am

re: #682 imp_62

Oh - Teenagers.

A mother of grown boys told me not to worry. It would all change once girls entered their lives.

687 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:11:17am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

This women is a menace to the globe.

688 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:11:17am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

There MUST be a way to get her to believe that communist Morlocks are tunneling underneath Cuba on their way to D.C. to deliver a payload of illegal radioactive Haitian immigrants.

689 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:12:11am

re: #679 Sergey Romanov

NTTAWWT!

I wasn't involved in the grooming process, but I understood it took 3 people to keep him in line.

He thought he was being tortured.

690 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:12:45am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

why would Hez train in Cuba when they could train in Mexico then simply walk across the border?

691 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:13:10am

re: #686 ggt

A mother of grown boys told me not to worry. It would all change once girls entered their lives.

Yes. That is when our pity shifts from the mother of the boy to the father of the girl. No sarc tag. My kids: 19 yo girl, 17 yo boy, 15 yo girl.

692 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:13:19am

re: #689 ggt

I wasn't involved in the grooming process, but I understood it took 3 people to keep him in line.

He thought he was being tortured.

Try a four year old little girl with curly hair. They can talk, and aren't afraid to try to hit.

I was told I didn't love her any more.

693 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:13:36am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

Quick! Send Bono in a U2 to confirm.

694 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:14:58am

This is creepy...

Harvard's Website Hacked by 'Syrian Electronic Army'

Harvard University’s home page was hacked Monday morning by a group calling themselves the “Syrian Electronic Army.”

The hackers, sympathizers with the Syrian regime, replaced photos on the page with an image of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad with the tagline “Syrian Electronic Army Were Here.”

“The University’s homepage was compromised by an outside party this morning,” University spokesperson John D. Longbrake confirmed in a statement. “We took down the site for several hours in order to restore it. The attack appears to have been the work of a sophisticated individual or group.”

...“Do you support the war on Syria? If you are you, as well as the following Syria’s population of 23 million people. This means 23 million mobile bomb. Imagine what we could do.”

695 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:15:37am

re: #693 Decatur Deb

Quick! Send Bono in a U2 to confirm.

But Bono knows How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb.

696 allegro  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:15:50am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

Honestly, that woman makes a bowl of bean dip appear erudite. Could not occur to her that normalizing trade relations might just be the best preventative medicine there is?

697 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:16:03am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

Oh, FFS. That woman is clearly getting desperate.

She can see the end of her campaign from her house.
/

698 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:16:24am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Hizbullah?

That's quite the reach and probably can be sourced back to Debka or some other similar site. Apparently, there's a single Italian newspaper claiming that Hizbullah has set up a camp in Cuba.

Iran has been making inroads in Latin America and Chavez and Castro are likely aligned in similar anti-America interests, so there's a kernel of plausibility. But it's quite a stretch from plausibility to bringing missile in that would be capable of hitting the US. That's Cuban Missile Crisis territory - requiring transporting medium range missiles thousands of miles from Iran/ME to Cuba without anyone detecting and using missile tech that the Iranians have shown to have all kinds of issues with (fauxtographing failed launches for example).

Cutting against that is that Cuba is looking at ways to normalize relations with the US.

699 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:17:56am

re: #694 NJDhockeyfan

This is creepy...

Harvard's Website Hacked by 'Syrian Electronic Army'

Banks of computers, a bunch of hackers, and the best they could do was hack Harvard? Bizarre.

700 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:18:23am

re: #698 lawhawk

Besides if it were so, we would have heard from official sources already.

701 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:19:44am

re: #695 EmmmieG

But Bono knows How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb.

More of your Thread Sabotage!!! (Had to look that up, and scrambled my tabs.)

702 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:21:06am

re: #697 makeitstop

Oh, FFS. That woman is clearly getting desperate.

She can see the end of her campaign from her house.
/

Yup. As the poll numbers and contributions shrink, the need for attention of any kind grows.

703 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:22:08am

OT (If we even have a topic, currently):
There was a page posted recently about Ahava having to cease trading in London due to constant harassment of the employees and protests at the shop.
For those of you who travel through JetBlue T5 at JFK, there is a beauty/cosmetics shop down one of the gate hallways which carries a pretty decent selection of Ahava products. I like the stuff, and I like to support merchants who carry it, so I make a point of stopping in to purchase items when I pass through T5 (all too frequently).

704 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:24:56am

re: #617 imp_62

I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.

I think they are having the discussion. It simply does not get the air- or webtime that CAIR et al command. Jewish social structure is more permissive of open dissent, at this point of history.

QFT.

CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community

There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.

705 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:26:28am

re: #703 imp_62

OT (If we even have a topic, currently):
There was a page posted recently about Ahava having to cease trading in London due to constant harassment of the employees and protests at the shop.
For thos eof you who travel through JetBlue T5 at JFK, there is a beauty/cosmetics shop down one of the gate hallways which carries a prety decent selection of Ahava products. I like the stuff, and I like to support merchants who carry it, so I make a point of stopping in to purchase items when I pass through T5 (all too frequently).

Buy Ahava products at the Zionist Mall!

706 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:26:41am

Sorry to shamelessly promote my page.

I never heard of Carlos Slim.

I don't read enough Current Events.

707 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:27:11am

re: #702 garhighway

Yup. As the poll numbers and contributions shrink, the need for attention of any kind grows.

Scraping her nails against the mountain side as she falls . . . . . .

708 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:28:09am

re: #704 CuriousLurker

I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.

QFT.

CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community

There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.

I think that in the aftermath of 9/11, the US Muslim community is still struggling to find its voice. The likes of CAIR, who had an infrastructure in place, had a natural advantage in presenting themselves as the representative voice of Islam in America. It takes a while for alternatives to establish themselves and claim the bandwidth necessary to be noticed in the debate. Could you, CL, link to some moderate Muslim sources/organizations in the US?

709 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:30:52am

re: #704 CuriousLurker

Just to clarify, the top seciton was posted by KT, not Imp_62. My comment should have looked like this:

re: #617 imp_62

re: #609 Killgore Trout

I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.

I think they are having the discussion. It simply does not get the air- or webtime that CAIR et al command. Jewish social structure is more permissive of open dissent, at this point of history.

QFT.

CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community

There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.

710 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:31:40am

Hahaha. Gaffney fail...

Three weeks ago, Frank Gaffney released a new pledge asking presidential candidates to swear they will fight the non-existent threat of Sharia if elected president. Yet, as of publication time, none of the 10 major Republican presidential candidates have signed Gaffney’s anti-Sharia pledge.

He can't even get Santorum or Bachmann to sign on. The fail is strong in this one.

711 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:31:47am

re: #706 ggt

Slim is a major investor in the NYT and who helped keep the paper afloat when it imploded fiscally.

712 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:32:42am

re: #710 makeitstop

Hahaha. Gaffney fail...

He can't even get Santorum or Bachmann to sign on. The fail is strong in this one.

If he got Santorum all over the page, nobody else could sign it, anyway.

713 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:33:03am

re: #710 makeitstop

Hahaha. Gaffney fail...

He can't even get Santorum or Bachmann to sign on. The fail is strong in this one.

I'd love to see him try to get Christie to sign that.

714 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:35:20am

re: #704 CuriousLurker

I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.

QFT.

CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community

There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.

I try to base my opinions on my personal dealings with other human beings. I find most of the muslims I meet or work with to be regular people. Most are customers at the store at which I work. Some of the men seem a little strange --or uncomfortable in dealing with me. The women are cold at first, but after a few transactions are wonderful.

I don't get any weird vibes or any indications that any of the "threat" stories are true.

Not that my experiences mean anything in the larger picture. It just makes it harder for me to take the scare rhetoric seriously.

People living in a totally white world have no frame of reference.

715 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:35:52am

And on a related note, Gaffney's arched eyebrow still annoys the crap outta me.

Does he think it makes him look incisive or smart or something?

716 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:37:51am

re: #709 CuriousLurker

I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.

Strawman Ackbar!

717 garhighway  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:38:29am

re: #714 ggt

One of the joys of living in NYC is that you deal with all sorts of people all the time. You learn quickly that people are people: some are nice, some are jerks, and whether they are nice or a jerk is pretty much unrelated to their ethnicity or religion.

718 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:38:48am

re: #711 lawhawk

Slim is a major investor in the NYT and who helped keep the paper afloat when it imploded fiscally.

I saw that in the article I posted!

I really haven't been paying attention -- or haven't been sifting the infoworld efficiently.

719 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:39:03am

re: #716 Killgore Trout

Strawman Ackbar!

Strawhat Snackbar

720 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:39:48am

re: #717 garhighway

One of the joys of living in NYC is that you deal with all sorts of people all the time. You learn quickly that people are people: some are nice, some are jerks, and whether they are nice or a jerk is pretty much unrelated to their ethnicity or religion.

I know. I've spent most of my life in the 'burbs of a large city. So much of what I consider "normal" isn't to many.

That kinda freaks me out a little.

721 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:40:22am

re: #719 imp_62

Strawhat Snackbar

Gold-plated Strawhat Snackbar.

722 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:41:12am

Pandora really has the "music genome" thing nailed. I entered 3 artists: The Shins, Arcade Fire, and Leonard Cohen. Now, just an hour later, Pandora is essentially playing my ipod playlist.

723 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:41:46am

re: #717 garhighway

One of the joys of living in NYC is that you deal with all sorts of people all the time. You learn quickly that people are people: some are nice, some are jerks, and whether they are nice or a jerk is pretty much unrelated to their ethnicity or religion.

I'm ethically challenged...I just don't give a shit...I value the difference between people far more than our similarities

724 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:42:16am

re: #722 imp_62

Pandora really has the "music genome" thing nailed. I entered 3 artists: The Shins, Arcade Fire, and Leonard Cohen. Now, just an hour later, Pandora is essentially playing my ipod playlist.

What if your playlist is schizo?

725 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:43:57am

re: #720 ggt

I know. I've spent most of my life in the 'burbs of a large city. So much of what I consider "normal" isn't to many.

That kinda freaks me out a little.

That's the best thing about NYC. Used to pass this guy (something of a genius) on my way to work each day:

Image: moondog.jpg

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

726 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:44:11am

re: #724 EmmmieG

What if your playlist is schizo?

None of my personalities understands, or indeed appreciates, your comment.

727 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:44:40am

re: #723 albusteve

I'm ethically challenged...I just don't give a shit...I value the difference between people far more than our similarities

I get weirded out in small towns. I feel like I'm surrounded by clones. Grain Elevators, cattle, tractors --like a Stephen King novel.

I relish new and different. I need my chain stores and signs of civilization written in different languages.

728 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:45:15am

re: #724 EmmmieG

What if your playlist is schizo?

Does it talk to itself?

729 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:45:34am

re: #708 imp_62

I think that in the aftermath of 9/11, the US Muslim community is still struggling to find its voice. The likes of CAIR, who had an infrastructure in place, had a natural advantage in presenting themselves as the representative voice of Islam in America. It takes a while for alternatives to establish themselves and claim the bandwidth necessary to be noticed in the debate. Could you, CL, link to some moderate Muslim sources/organizations in the US?

Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a conference call. Here are a couple:

[Link: www.wisemuslimwomen.org...]
[Link: www.asmasociety.org...]
[Link: www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org...]
[Link: www.cordobainitiative.org...]
[Link: www.nawawi.org...]

I'm glad you asked as I really should go through my bookmarks and make a proper list.

730 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:46:33am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

And the evil Demon-rats would just let them get away with it, just like they did in 1962.
/
I would be surprised if the Hezbos had a missile with the range to reach Florida from Cuba. Besides, Castro and his henchmen know perfectly well that if such a launch did occur, the launch site, all associated facilities, and their entire rickety infrastructure would be reduced to craters and smoking rubble by the next day.

731 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:49:23am

re: #729 CuriousLurker

Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a conference call. Here are a couple:

[Link: www.wisemuslimwomen.org...]
[Link: www.asmasociety.org...]
[Link: www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org...]
[Link: www.cordobainitiative.org...]
[Link: www.nawawi.org...]

I'm glad you asked as I really should go through my bookmarks and make a proper list.

Please do, and post it here as a page.

732 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:49:29am

re: #729 CuriousLurker

Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a conference call. Here are a couple:

[Link: www.wisemuslimwomen.org...]
[Link: www.asmasociety.org...]
[Link: www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org...]
[Link: www.cordobainitiative.org...]
[Link: www.nawawi.org...]

I'm glad you asked as I really should go through my bookmarks and make a proper list.

Perhaps a page is in order?

733 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:50:17am

I had a come to Jesus meeting with my little girl dog. She has decided that she is the Alpha Bitch and can decide which dog is allowed on the bed or at my feet.

I made it clear that I am the ONLY Alpha Bitch in the house.

I don't know what she was thinking. . . .

734 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:50:57am

re: #730 Shiplord Kirel

Besides, Castro and his henchmen know perfectly well that if such a launch did occur, the launch site, all associated facilities, and their entire rickety infrastructure would be reduced to craters and smoking rubble by the next day later that afternoon.

FTFY

Missile strikes from Cuba would be the fastest way for Castro to find himself on the business end of the U.S. military. He knows better than that.

735 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:18am

re: #731 Alouette

re: #732 imp_62

My thought exactly!

GMTA

736 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:27am

re: #733 ggt

I had a come to Jesus meeting with my little girl dog. She has decided that she is the Alpha Bitch and can decide which dog is allowed on the bed or at my feet.

I made it clear that I am the ONLY Alpha Bitch in the house.

I don't know what she was thinking. . . .

Stay Away From this one, imp. No touchy.

737 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:30am

re: #714 ggt

I try to base my opinions on my personal dealings with other human beings. I find most of the muslims I meet or work with to be regular people. Most are customers at the store at which I work. Some of the men seem a little strange --or uncomfortable in dealing with me. The women are cold at first, but after a few transactions are wonderful.

I don't get any weird vibes or any indications that any of the "threat" stories are true.

Not that my experiences mean anything in the larger picture. It just makes it harder for me to take the scare rhetoric seriously.

People living in a totally white world have no frame of reference.

The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.

As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).

Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)

738 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:42am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

IIRC, Hezbollah primarily uses the Katyusha rocket.
It can't possibly reach Florida. Hell, it'll barely make it off the shores of Cuba.

739 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:52am

Living People to Appear on Stamps

Who said the United States Postal Service isn’t au courant?

Starting next year, it will start putting the faces of living people on stamps.

The Postal Service announced Monday that it was dropping its age-old rule that required a person depicted on a stamp to have been dead for at least five years. Now, it is willing to use the mug of someone still alive or only recently dead.

Desperate to engage the public as postal revenues decline, the agency is even asking the public to jump on Facebook or Twitter to submit the names of five people whose faces they would like to see stuck on their envelopes. Of course, you can mail your suggestion to the Postal Service, too.

I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:

1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood

740 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:52:06am

re: #735 ggt

re: #732 imp_62

My thought exactly!

GMTA

Except Alouette's thought faster by 6 seconds.

741 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:52:22am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!

Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?

742 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:01am

re: #716 Killgore Trout

Strawman Ackbar!

Heh, maybe, but at least I didn't dodge the main point.

743 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:15am

re: #737 CuriousLurker

The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.

As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).

Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)

One of the girls on my daughter's field hockey team wears hijab. In matching uniform colour, naturally.

744 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:45am

re: #732 imp_62

Perhaps a page is in order?

Good idea. I'll have to dig through my bookmarks this weekend.

745 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:52am

re: #741 Lidane

Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?

Why would you ask that? Are you recording this? Is there someone else in the room?

746 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:02am

re: #739 NJDhockeyfan

Living People to Appear on Stamps

I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:

1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood

That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.

747 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:45am

re: #739 NJDhockeyfan

Living People to Appear on Stamps

I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:

1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood

Faces, not hacked cellphone nudes.

748 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:51am

re: #743 imp_62

One of the girls on my daughter's field hockey team wears hijab. In matching uniform colour, naturally.

Well, yeah. We still want to be color coordinated! ;)

749 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:57am

re: #737 CuriousLurker

The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.

As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).

Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)

True on both counts. One Mother and daughter come in fully draped --only their faces showing. The first time I asked if they needed help, I really believe they were shocked. All smiles and hellos to me when the come in now.

I don't know CL, I'm in business to make money --whether I'm an hourly part-time employee or not. That is how I work. As long as people have green money to spend, I don't care if they are purple and polka-dotted with feathers coming out of their head. I'm going to try to help them.

Outside of work, I figure I never know what like of business I am going to be in next and everyone is a potential customer --or friend. I can't get drawn into some psychotic game of judging people. We are all children of the same creator.

750 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:55:01am

re: #738 Varek Raith

IIRC, Hezbollah primarily uses the Katyusha rocket.
It can't possibly reach Florida. Hell, it'll barely make it off the shores of Cuba.

Don't harsh her buzzbomb.

751 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:55:24am

re: #741 Lidane

Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?

I don't think she's weighed in on the Bigfoot-UFO connection yet.

752 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:56:00am

re: #739 NJDhockeyfan

Living People to Appear on Stamps

I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:

1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood

You realize you don't lick stamps anymore, right?

753 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:56:06am

re: #746 Alouette

That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.

I think you can get anything you want on a stamp at stamps.com

This is America afterall. . . .

:)

754 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:04am

re: #753 ggt

I think you can get anything you want on a stamp at stamps.com

We've come a long way from Alice's Restaurant.

755 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:09am

Just yesterday I was thinking it has been a while since we saw a Reuters photo that was faked. Providence provides a new scandal...

Fauxtograph of RPG being fired

756 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:18am

re: #751 Shiplord Kirel

I don't think she's weighed in on the Bigfoot-UFO connection yet.

I guess her husband hasn't told her what to think about it yet.

757 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:34am

re: #754 imp_62

We've come a long way from Alice's Restaurant.

Group W bench seems so long ago . . .

758 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:35am
759 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:39am

re: #738 Varek Raith

The bulk of the Hizbullah missile inventory is at the short range - under 30 miles (the aforementioned Katuysha). The longest range missiles that they are reliably known to possess can have a max range of 100km - which still falls short of Key West but have only a limited quantity of those missiles. It's not believed that they possess Scuds or similar medium range missiles.

However, Hizbullah does have anti-shipping missile capabilities - as witnessed when they fired on an Israeli destroyer off the coast of Lebanon causing significant damage. That's a threat, but not one that the US Navy can't deal with.

760 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:58:42am

re: #741 Lidane

Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?

She evidently doesn't believe in Frank Gaffney's 'creeping Sharia' conspiracy enough to sign his stupid pledge.

At least not yet, anyway.

761 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:58:50am

re: #758 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of stamps...

Eagle Forum Wants Phyllis Schlafly On A Stamp

RON PAUL!!1!

762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:00:42am
763 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:01:16am

re: #758 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of stamps...

Eagle Forum Wants Phyllis Schlafly On A Stamp

Dan Rather, with his name in Windows default font, of course.

764 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:02:08am

re: #739 NJDhockeyfan

There was a good reason that the Post Office held to the practice of using only deceased persons on stamps. But I guess the need for more revenues are forcing the company to change its policies.

Heck, while they're at it, they could strike a deal with those aforementioned actors/actresses/musicians to carry a line of stamps - with appropriate licensing revenues for branding the stamps.

765 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:02:18am

re: #739 NJDhockeyfan

Living People to Appear on Stamps

I eagerly await all the wingnut head explosions when Barack Obama's name starts showing up on the stamp request lists. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.

766 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:04:15am

re: #765 Lidane

I eagerly await all the wingnut head explosions when Barack Obama's name starts showing up on the stamp request lists. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.

I'd like to nominate myself.
Image: RevanDLotS.JPG

767 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:05:19am

re: #765 Lidane

I eagerly await all the wingnut head explosions when Barack Obama's name starts showing up on the stamp request lists. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.

BO is way too awesome for a stamp....he deserves his own Mt Barakmore

768 allegro  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:07:10am

re: #746 Alouette

That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.

Funny you should ask. I was just looking at this website that offers custom photo stamps.

769 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:07:26am

re: #767 albusteve

Personally, I want to see Al Gore on a stamp, just to get people whining about the environmental waste of printing up all those stamps. That will be a hoot.

770 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:07:56am

re: #768 allegro

Funny you should ask. I was just looking at this website that offers custom photo stamps.

I just got a wedding invitation with the couple as their own stamp.

771 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:08:21am

re: #764 lawhawk

Have you seen the postal union's ad about why the post office is losing money?

Funny... they don't mention fewer letters being mailed in the whole thing. It's all because of the congressional requirements. Other than that? The postal service made 611 million dollars last year.

772 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:08:29am

re: #767 albusteve

BO is way too awesome for a stamp...he deserves his own Mt Barakmore

Heh, we had to deal with the GOP naming and renaming every damned thing after Reagan.
Tis only fair.
:P

773 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:09:19am

re: #768 allegro

Can they use a whole sheet for me? Kind of like a jigsaw puzzle?

774 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:10:10am

re: #762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First row at the Democratic National Convention

I'm just sayin'...

I'll gladly take those three over the 3 guys dressed like Minutemen that showed up at the Orlando debate.

I'm just sayin'...

775 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:11:14am

re: #772 Varek Raith

Heh, we had to deal with the GOP naming and renaming every damned thing after Reagan.
Tis only fair.
:P

St Louis will change it's name to St Barak when he retires

776 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:11:44am

re: #775 albusteve

St Louis will change it's name to St Barak when he retires

Bastards.
I was promised it would be named after ME!

777 allegro  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:13:23am

re: #770 EmmmieG

I just got a wedding invitation with the couple as their own stamp.

I think that would be a cool way to send baby announcements. The envelope would be a great keepsake and addition to the baby book.

778 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:14:09am

re: #769 Lidane

Personally, I want to see Al Gore on a stamp, just to get people whining about the environmental waste of printing up all those stamps. That will be a hoot.

I could not help but think a Monica Lewinsky stamp would be a great comedic possibility...

779 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:14:12am

re: #776 Varek Raith

Bastards.
I was promised it would be named after ME!

the Undead can become Saints?

780 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:14:41am

re: #779 ggt

the Undead can become Saints?

Must you rain on my parade?
:)

781 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:15:39am

re: #780 Varek Raith

Must you rain on my parade?
:)

The undead have parades?

782 shutdown  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:15:45am

re: #779 ggt

re: #780 Varek Raith

Wouldn't that be "wraith"?
Varek, what does your nick mean, btw?

783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:16:03am

re: #774 makeitstop

Of course you would. Hippie.

784 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:21:17am

re: #767 albusteve

BO is way too awesome for a stamp...he deserves his own Mt Barakmore

With a floating halo above his head.re: #778 Rightwingconspirator

I could not help but think a Monica Lewinsky stamp would be a great comedic possibility...

A booklet of Lewinsky stamps comes with a free cigar.

785 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:22:33am

re: #737 CuriousLurker

The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.

As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).

Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)

Another thought CL . .

Unless one is wearing the signs of one's religion --clothing, jewelry etc. other people don't know what you believe.

I learned I can't assume anything about most people. It's especially hard with people from Pakistan or India. It seems their native garb and all are the same, their accents are the same (to me anyway) and they can be most any religion.

Better not to make assumptions . . . .IMHO.

786 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:24:29am

re: #774 makeitstop

I'll gladly take those three over the 3 guys dressed like Minutemen that showed up at the Orlando debate.

I'm just sayin'...

There is nothing wrong with meditation. I've used it to clear my mind and to reduce anxiety attacks. It's just a way of developing mental discipline.

And those three young ladies are hot!

787 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:25:13am

re: #783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course you would. Hippie.

Ya pegged me. :)

788 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:27:15am

re: #786 b_sharp

There is nothing wrong with meditation. I've used it to clear my mind and to reduce anxiety attacks. It's just a way of developing mental discipline.

And those three young ladies are hot!

I've experienced the benefits of meditation as well.

It can be used as a way of developing mental discipline. I've met people who use it as an escape as well.

789 boredtechindenver  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:29:21am

re: #746 Alouette

That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.

You could do that already.


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