1 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 6:53:19pm

Feynman is pretty much my #1 guy I'd love to have just hung out with.

2 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 6:55:06pm

Wonderful. Thanks for posting this Charles. It mirrors how I feel about the world and is quite eloquently stated.

3 Achilles Tang  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 7:08:05pm

Yes it is well stated, but if it were said by you or me, how many who did not already know it would listen?

4 jaunte  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 7:08:47pm

That music is Threnody, from Keith Kenniff (Goldmund) on the 'Malady of Elegance' cd:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

5 freetoken  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 7:46:11pm

Ah... humans:

Bulgarian Antarctic Expedition to Research Climate Change, Build Church

The 20th Bulgarian expedition to Antarctica will set out early November with an ambitious agenda emphasizing on the effects of global warming on local plant and animal life.

[...]

"We will push forward a Bulgarian project for climate change research - how it affects sea mammals and Antarctic lichens," said [director] Pimpirev.

The researcher added that another line for study will be monitoring the radiation environment on the frozen continent.

Another project, in which Bulgarian Academy of Sciences researchers collaborate with international colleagues, has to to again with global warming, this time studying frozen Antarctic soils.

On another note, Bulgarian researchers hope to construct a new Christian Orthodox chapel named after Bulgarian patron saint, St. Ivan Rilski (St. John of Rila).

The already existing Bulgarian chapel is only the second Eastern Orthodox temple on the Antarctic continent, but BAS scientists have the intention to place a new, bigger one at a better location.

Yes, apparently Antarctica needs a third Orthodox church building.

Who could have guessed?

6 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 7:57:31pm

Feynman isn't the first to say something along these lines. Edna St. Vincent Millay came earlier.

Some art historians and biologists have thought about where the sense of beauty comes from. On top of the obvious things like buff bodies, tranquil landscapes, exhibits of exceptional human skill at almost anything, and surprising answers to complex puzzles all qualify as "beautiful".

7 Boondocksaint  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:00:09pm

Just read his autobiography. What a honest, interesting guy.

8 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:00:52pm

I has fashionable optometry! Can I haz dental coverage too?
Image: 610x.jpg

9 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:04:03pm

Go TUVA! Love Feynman.

10 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:04:57pm

"reeeeedddd ssscrrrarrrf!"
Image: x910.jpg
/Twistie ties, smiley face. lol

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:16:09pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Janine, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.
Dr. Peter Venkman - Ghostbusters

12 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:20:20pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

You were complaining earlier about MSM coverage of the protests. I saw two reports on NBC nightly news (yesterday's edition and today's). Both of them, in my opinion, portrayed the protests in a neutral-to-favorable light.

I believe this is the link to the report that aired earlier tonight:

No wild-eyed commie radicals interviewed here, much to your chagrin I'm sure ;) The people come across as very average and very reasonable. There's even a woman who acknowledges that direct comparisons to the Arab Spring protests are wrong, essentially saying that, even though those protesters faced a far more dire situation, OWS can still draw some inspiration from their actions.

13 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:24:22pm

re: #12 publicityStunted

Such as having some sort of organization?

14 Ben Jhazi  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:28:14pm

Just watched Homeland. I'll watch pretty much anything with Damian Lewis. May as well have called it "The Al-Quaeda Candidate" and just admitted that there are no new ideas...

Though I did enjoy it. Especially the nude sex scene with Morena Baccarin.

15 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:32:26pm

What would be the point of having an organization? It'd be coopted.

These people are assembling to petition the government to do something about something. It's the job of the government to figure out what something is.

16 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:33:06pm

re: #15 lostlakehiker

What would be the point of having an organization? It'd be coopted.

These people are assembling to petition the government to do something about something. It's the job of the government to figure out what something is.

The protesters' agenda is something else.

17 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:35:05pm

I long ago figured out that beautiful (in babies) means "attractive to me."

Consequently, three moms can sit in a room and each can think their baby is the most beautiful, and all can be right.

Although, just for the record, The Princess was the most beautiful baby ever. For reals.

18 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:46:30pm

re: #16 lostlakehiker

The protesters' agenda is something else.

Which is?

19 freetoken  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:54:37pm
20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 8:57:52pm

re: #19 freetoken

To alter our consciousness?

Extraterrestrial War in the 1930’s altered human consciousness of itself into a destructive time-line

This would explain why we've gone from Mozart to Lady Gaga. It was sabotage.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:03:31pm

Dead thread! I'm in a dead thread! East Coasters have gone to bed!

*Doing the dead thread dance. It looks something like Risky Business, but with pants*

22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:04:48pm

re: #19 freetoken

To alter our consciousness?

Extraterrestrial War in the 1930’s altered human consciousness of itself into a destructive time-line

Communism is exopolitics, is what it is!!!

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:05:18pm

re: #22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, sure, ruin my dead thread dance.

24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:07:10pm

re: #23 EmmmieG

Oh, sure, ruin my dead thread dance.

Is it anything like the Snoopy dance?

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:07:58pm

re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is it anything like the Snoopy dance?

The head bobbly one.

26 freetoken  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:14:14pm

re: #21 EmmmieG

It's a very quiet Sunday night, at least in this part of the country. I did my walking this evening until sundown - a good 90 minute walk over hills and through the dales does it for me... now I'm chillin' with some Maya Gold*. Maya Gold is an especially good blend for satiating the need.

*That's chocolate, folk.

27 laZardo  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:14:16pm

re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is it anything like the Snoopy dance?

28 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:19:48pm

re: #12 publicityStunted

You were complaining earlier about MSM coverage of the protests. I saw two reports on NBC nightly news (yesterday's edition and today's). Both of them, in my opinion, portrayed the protests in a neutral-to-favorable light.

I believe this is the link to the report that aired earlier tonight: [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

No wild-eyed commie radicals interviewed here, much to your chagrin I'm sure ;) The people come across as very average and very reasonable. There's even a woman who acknowledges that direct comparisons to the Arab Spring protests are wrong, essentially saying that, even though those protesters faced a far more dire situation, OWS can still draw some inspiration from their actions.

Interesting. I recall when folks were saying the same TYPE of thing about tea partiers - but the folks they interviewed were perfectly nice folks - just regular, average folks.

29 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:20:49pm

I've begun re-inventorying all of my musical gear for the insurance company. This weekend was spent photographing and doing a summary description of each guitar.

This week I'm going to tackle the rest of it - non-guitar instruments, effects, sound gear, amplifiers. This is going to take a while, but the info the insurance company has is outdated. It's gotta be done, boring as it is.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:21:58pm

re: #14 JasonA

Just watched Homeland. I'll watch pretty much anything with Damian Lewis. May as well have called it "The Al-Quaeda Candidate" and just admitted that there are no new ideas...

Though I did enjoy it. Especially the nude sex scene with Morena Baccarin.

When they did the commentary for the DVDs of Firefly, Joss Whedon commented a number of times that she's a great actress, but very homely. He always figured they'd get a pretty girl to play Inara, but somehow that didn't work out.

///On his behalf.

31 freetoken  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:25:14pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

Interesting. I recall when folks were saying the same TYPE of thing about tea partiers - but the folks they interviewed were perfectly nice folks - just regular, average folks.

Conceptually, the type of people who wanted to make a statement about their unhappiness with the state of the country, or perhaps the state of their own personal economics, were indeed "just regular, average folks."

Yet it became evident early on (e.g., KT tracing "Tea Party" as a congregating formalism to the Ron Paul people) that as a social movement "Tea Party" was becoming a tool for the various paleocons and arch-libertarians to spread their ideas to a wider audience.

I for one don't believe that an "average folk" exists - every person has their uniqueness and everybody has their own agenda, whether highly myopic or perhaps noble.

32 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:34:23pm

Here's a very interesting question: How did Perry's family afford that hunting lease? Those hunting leases are not cheap. Perry claims to come from very modest background. So, what's up with that?

33 laZardo  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:38:12pm

re: #14 JasonA

Just watched Homeland. I'll watch pretty much anything with Damian Lewis. May as well have called it "The Al-Quaeda Candidate" and just admitted that there are no new ideas...

Though I did enjoy it. Especially the nude sex scene with Morena Baccarin.

I like to think of it as "Band Of Brothers Gone Bad."

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:40:39pm

re: #32 reine.de.tout

Here's a very interesting question: How did Perry's family afford that hunting lease? Those hunting leases are not cheap. Perry claims to come from very modest background. So, what's up with that?

My assumption tends to be that candidates exaggerate those modest backgrounds. I shall never forget the mayoral election in which Gavin Newsom and Matt Gonzalez clashed in what I liked to call 'The Great Lower-Middle-Class-Off of 2003'.

"Oh yeah? I had an after school job when I was FOURteen!"

"Oh yeah? My mom made stuff with Hamburger Helper!"

"Oh yeah? My mom had two jobs! Beat that, elitist punk!"

It went on for week after week.

35 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:41:28pm

re: #31 freetoken

Conceptually, the type of people who wanted to make a statement about their unhappiness with the state of the country, or perhaps the state of their own personal economics, were indeed "just regular, average folks."

Two differences (as I see it so far):

1) Tea Party demands have little to no basis in objective reality (especially their acronym, given how low current tax rates are).

2) The Occupy Wall Street crowd is far more diverse (age, race, etc)

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:46:48pm

Evening all!

How did it turn out with FBV and the DMV?

And how is everyone else?

37 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:51:05pm

re: #36 ggt

Evening all!

How did it turn out with FBV and the DMV?

And how is everyone else?

I don't think we've got the final story of FBV and the DMV yet.
Otherwise, I'm doing OK. Don't know about anybody else. Seems to be a slow thread, perhaps folks are already where I'm headed now - to sleep!

38 laZardo  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:51:51pm

re: #36 ggt

Evening all!

How did it turn out with FBV and the DMV?

And how is everyone else?

He died. I'm so sorry.

///

39 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:52:56pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

My assumption tends to be that candidates exaggerate those modest backgrounds. I shall never forget the mayoral election in which Gavin Newsom and Matt Gonzalez clashed in what I liked to call 'The Great Lower-Middle-Class-Off of 2003'.

"Oh yeah? I had an after school job when I was FOURteen!"

"Oh yeah? My mom made stuff with Hamburger Helper!"

"Oh yeah? My mom had two jobs! Beat that, elitist punk!"

It went on for week after week.

I don't doubt this at all.

But those leases are not at all inexpensive. And they travelled by private plane? He'd have to be exaggerating his modest childhood by a lot, I think. I'm trying to get my Texas buddies to weigh in on this.

40 Ben Jhazi  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 9:57:17pm

Sooo... this happened:

Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales

In May 2008, a unit of Koch Industries Inc., one of the world’s largest privately held companies, sent Ludmila Egorova-Farines, its newly hired compliance officer and ethics manager, to investigate the management of a subsidiary in Arles in southern France. In less than a week, she discovered that the company had paid bribes to win contracts.
“I uncovered the practices within a few days,” Egorova- Farines says. “They were not hidden at all.”
She immediately notified her supervisors in the U.S. A week later, Wichita, Kansas-based Koch Industries dispatched an investigative team to look into her findings, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its November issue.
By September of that year, the researchers had found evidence of improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002, authorized by the business director of the company’s Koch-Glitsch affiliate in France.
“Those activities constitute violations of criminal law,” Koch Industries wrote in a Dec. 8, 2008, letter giving details of its findings. The letter was made public in a civil court ruling in France in September 2010; the document has never before been reported by the media.
Egorova-Farines wasn’t rewarded for bringing the illicit payments to the company’s attention. Her superiors removed her from the inquiry in August 2008 and fired her in June 2009, calling her incompetent, even after Koch’s investigators substantiated her findings. She sued Koch-Glitsch in France for wrongful termination.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:00:40pm

re: #40 JasonA

Sooo... this happened:

Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales

Have I mentioned lately that George Soros provided the Romulans with security codes, leading to the Khitomer Massacre?

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:03:16pm

re: #39 reine.de.tout

I don't doubt this at all.

But those leases are not at all inexpensive. And they travelled by private plane? He'd have to be exaggerating his modest childhood by a lot, I think. I'm trying to get my Texas buddies to weigh in on this.

Travelling by private plane sounds elitist. To be honest, we know at least one person who has their own plane. A little plane. If "they guys" wanted to pool their money for fuel etc, they could conceivably fly by "private plane' to their hunting trips etc. But it would only be two guys, the pilot and one other (and the dog).

Single guys with good jobs can get loans for airplanes just like they do for their other toys. Our friend is an engineer in his 50's, so one can see how he could save and buy a small used plane.

Somehow, I don't think this is the situation with Perry.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:03:40pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Have I mentioned lately that George Soros provided the Romulans with security codes, leading to the Khitomer Massacre?

Sorry, I had to get the MBF out there right away.

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:03:52pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Have I mentioned lately that George Soros provided the Romulans with security codes, leading to the Khitomer Massacre?

I had a feeling . . . .

45 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:04:20pm

re: #42 ggt

Travelling by private plane sounds elitist. To be honest, we know at least one person who has their own plane. A little plane. If "they guys" wanted to pool their money for fuel etc, they could conceivably fly by "private plane' to their hunting trips etc. But it would only be two guys, the pilot and one other (and the dog).

Single guys with good jobs can get loans for airplanes just like they do for their other toys. Our friend is an engineer in his 50's, so one can see how he could save and buy a small used plane.

Somehow, I don't think this is the situation with Perry.

Yes, but it's definitely not 8 to a bed and an outhouse territory.

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:05:36pm

re: #45 EmmmieG

Yes, but it's definitely not 8 to a bed and an outhouse territory.

Well, if there was a landing strip close enough --dry land, you never know with these guys . . . refueling might be a problem. . .

47 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:06:32pm

re: #38 laZardo

He died. I'm so sorry.

///

You are not and I have it on very good authority (rein) that we haven't heard yet.

so there!

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:10:21pm

re: #46 ggt

Well, if there was a landing strip close enough --dry land, you never know with these guys . . . refueling might be a problem. . .

Are you suggesting he had to carry the gas uphill, both ways, and in a snow storm.

49 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:11:28pm

re: #46 ggt

Well, if there was a landing strip close enough --dry land, you never know with these guys . . . refueling might be a problem. . .

I'm not sure you need to refuel these small planes, they turn into gliders when they're out of fuel.

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:17:44pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

I'm not sure you need to refuel these small planes, they turn into gliders when they're out of fuel.

kinda hard to get home that way.

51 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:18:28pm

Bother Puppy is home again. Had a successful weekend prancing for the judges. 7 points and 2 majors --we are almost home free and he can start the real work.

52 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:37:16pm

I'm reading the Bloomberg article about Koch Industries, and the amount of settlement money they've paid out is staggering - they paid out more than $400 million in fines, penalties and settlements over a 4 year period.

And they estimate revenues of over $100 billion a year. 400 mill is chump change to them.

53 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:52:30pm

Night all!

Have a pleasant early morning!

54 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:59:46pm

The OWS protests are getting underway in many places

Los Angeles

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Orlando

[Link: www­.occupytog­ether.org...]

Boston

[Link: occ­upyboston.­com...]

Chicago

[Link: www­.enewspf.c­om...]

Seattle

[Link: www­.occupysea­ttle.org...]

Las Vegas

[Link: occ­upylasvega­s.org...]

55 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:07:17pm

Below is a post from the LA protests on how in LA, the protests, so far, have been very civil and supported by LAPD. The link is supposedly information about the NYPD bribe accusations.

"...This has gone off without a hitch, which is phenomenal­," said Arreola. "The police have been absolutely awesome... They've been 100 percent behind us -- and the fire department too." Arreola also said the march had been so orderly, a couple of police units were pulled off duty from the event..."

How refreshing is that? Unlike the jack-boote­d NYPD dolts who have been virtually privatized by a $4.6 million bribe from JP Morgan/Cha­se, and who toe the corporate line for a Mayor who is the quintessen­tial poster-boy of the ruling-cla­ss...Thank you, LAPD...

[Link: www­.google.co­m...]

56 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:17:53pm

A group of Vets will be joining the protests as well....

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues. So far, 15 of my fellow marine buddies are meeting me there, also in Uniform.

I want to send the following message to Wall St and Congress:

I didn't fight for Wall St. I fought for America. Now it's Congress' turn.

My true hope, though, is that we Veterans canact as first line of defense between the police and the protester. If they want to get to some protesters so they can mace them, they will have to get through the Fucking Marine Corps first. Let's see a cop mace abunch of decorated war vets.

I apologize now for typos and errors. Typing this on iPhone whilst heading to NYC. We can organize once we're there. That's what we do best. If you see someone in uniform, gather together.

A formation will be held tonight at 10PM.

We all took an oath to uphold, protect anddefend the constitution of this country. That's what we will be doing.

Hope to see you there

Edit:

I'm no longer in active duty or in any way contractually indebted to the military. Nor are any of my friends that are joining me.

To the officers' of this thread: I'm aware of the potential, maybe inevitable trouble I can get in. So too are my friends.

I don't really care about the debate here, the upvotes, the downvotes or anything in here really. Mental masturbation is awesome and all. But fucking hell people get off reddit and do something about it. The decision is made. I just figured reddit to be a useful tool to get the attention of a good amount of veterans.

57 freetoken  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:19:08pm

re: #55 boxhead

Oh noes... the Trotskyites have seduced the LAPD!

58 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:20:41pm

I admit that I still don't get the Brooklyn Bridge incident, even after reading the following: [Link: wonkette.com...]

59 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:24:55pm

re: #57 freetoken

Oh noes... the Trotskyites have seduced the LAPD!

Knowing what I know of the LAPD, being seduced was not possible... :)

Disclaimer: Lived in City of LA for 49 years.

60 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:34:18pm

For those saying they are not sure why these protests are happening, check out the below link...

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
by NYC General Assembly


[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

61 laZardo  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:37:23pm

re: #55 boxhead

After Rodney King, the LAPD definitely do not want to be seen starting shit. Kudos to them.

62 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:39:57pm

Oh there are still shenanigans... So truthfully, I will be amazed if this story holds true.... I'd like to think so..

63 freetoken  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:44:21pm

re: #60 boxhead

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

Whiny kids these days...

64 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:49:16pm

re: #63 freetoken

Whiny kids these days...

lol..... UC and CSU in California used to be free until Reagan was Gov. Truly, what benefit is there in saddling college students with so much debt? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of USA to have a well educated populace? I think that is a very worthy cause.

65 laZardo  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:54:11pm

re: #60 boxhead

The big question isn't "why" but "what can be done."

As for education, it seems to be a conservative self-fulfilling prophecy - less funding for colleges means poorer-quality (and more radical) educators, which leaves less incentive to go to college.

66 boxhead  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 11:57:23pm

re: #65 laZardo

The big question isn't "why" but "what can be done."

As for education, it seems to be a conservative self-fulfilling prophecy - less funding for colleges means poorer-quality (and more radical) educators, which leaves less incentive to go to college.

And less education means a lesser ability to understand what is happening. It also creates a lower paid working class with little chance to improve ones lot in life.

What can be done is elect people who truly represent the people. That would be a start.

67 freetoken  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:02:44am

re: #64 boxhead

Wouldn't it be in the best interest of USA to have a well educated populace?

We spend 12 years to do that for each child... if they can't be "well educated" in 12 years then it's time to cut bait.

68 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:04:47am

re: #66 boxhead

And less education means a lesser ability to understand what is happening. It also creates a lower paid working class with little chance to improve ones lot in life.

What can be done is elect people who truly represent the people. That would be a start.

Which turns the question into "how to get it past the "END THE FED!" and anarchist crowd."

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:05:11am

re: #60 boxhead

For those saying they are not sure why these protests are happening, check out the below link...

Clear as mud! We're upset about the 'corporate forces of the world'. This is a manifesto against The Man.

King George was a real person. This is grandstanding, and an attempt to bundle a diverse assortment of grievances with various degrees of validity against assorted parties into some sort of coherent platform.

It's not even that I don't agree with two thirds of it. It's just that when you ask 'what will happen if you win', and the answer is 'we will completely transform the world community', you're getting bullshit talked to you.

70 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:05:15am

re: #67 freetoken

We spend 12 years to do that for each child... if they can't be "well educated" in 12 years then it's time to cut bait.

Really? I guess your definition of well educated and mine are very different. What HS graduate can be an engineer, or scientist, or doctor? That is what USA needs, not burger flippers.

71 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:06:55am

re: #68 laZardo

Which turns the question into "how to get it past the "END THE FED!" and anarchist crowd."

The rest of people who care must vote for and demand better. First is to remove money from the election process.

72 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:07:21am

re: #70 boxhead

Really? I guess your definition of well educated and mine are very different. What HS graduate can be an engineer, or scientist, or doctor? That is what USA needs, not burger flippers.

Somewhere between those are the Mike Rowe class of jobs, of course. "Dirty" as they are, they deserve dignity as they can often be a necessary part of our economy.

73 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:08:00am

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Clear as mud! We're upset about the 'corporate forces of the world'. This is a manifesto against The Man.

King George was a real person. This is grandstanding, and an attempt to bundle a diverse assortment of grievances with various degrees of validity against assorted parties into some sort of coherent platform.

It's not even that I don't agree with two thirds of it. It's just that when you ask 'what will happen if you win', and the answer is 'we will completely transform the world community', you're getting bullshit talked to you.

What other options exist for these people's concerns to be addressed?

74 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:09:03am

German Unity Day… urgh…

75 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:09:26am

re: #72 laZardo

Somewhere between those are the Mike Rowe class of jobs, of course. "Dirty" as they are, they deserve dignity as they can often be a necessary part of our economy.

yes, but without a higher educated populace, how will USA compete with the rest of the world?

76 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:10:57am

re: #75 boxhead

I'm not denying that, mind. O:

77 freetoken  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:11:32am

re: #70 boxhead

Really? I guess your definition of well educated and mine are very different. What HS graduate can be an engineer, or scientist, or doctor?

Not my point. Frankly, every body I've known who was an engineer, scientist, or doctor already had shown academic achievement by the time they get through 12th grade, and they were enticed to go on to higher education through their love of whatever topic turned them on.

And, only a small percentage of college graduates go into those professions anyway.

And, those professions (in general) pay well enough to pay off student loans in the earlier part of the careers (though I realize that of late doctor educational debt has risen.)

College students must take responsibility for their choices, and that includes spending the money on the academic industry that has out of control costs.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:14:39am

re: #73 boxhead

What other options exist for these people's concerns to be addressed?

You mean besides writing pretentious manifestos? I don't know, community organizing, or getting shit on the ballot...dull work in the trenches making change?

I hate the suggestion that our only option to make change is to march around with cardboard signs on Wall Street, because if that is the case, then we actually are screwed.

If this leads to more effective organizing toward actual goals, I'll be impressed. Until then, uh, no. I live in a town where manifestos are a dime a dozen.

79 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:17:29am

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean besides writing pretentious manifestos? I don't know, community organizing, or getting shit on the ballot...dull work in the trenches making change?

I hate the suggestion that our only option to make change is to march around with cardboard signs on Wall Street, because if that is the case, then we actually are screwed.

If this leads to more effective organizing toward actual goals, I'll be impressed. Until then, uh, no. I live in a town where manifestos are a dime a dozen.

From one San Franciscan(-born) to another, get off your ass and do something toward that goal then.

:B

80 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:18:03am

re: #77 freetoken

Not my point. Frankly, every body I've known who was an engineer, scientist, or doctor already had shown academic achievement by the time they get through 12th grade, and they were enticed to go on to higher education through their love of whatever topic turned them on.

And, only a small percentage of college graduates go into those professions anyway.

And, those professions (in general) pay well enough to pay off student loans in the earlier part of the careers (though I realize that of late doctor educational debt has risen.)

College students must take responsibility for their choices, and that includes spending the money on the academic industry that has out of control costs.

Why are those costs out of control? I was able to earn my degree with part time jobs. That is almost impossible now. I am firmly against having the youth of America enter the job market with huge debt. No one in my age group had that except MDs or lawyers. It makes no sense. Oh and seems to be a lack of jobs even for those with college degrees.

And, again, much like having a modern infrastructure, having educated people is an overall benefit to all of USA.

81 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:18:58am

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate the suggestion that our only option to make change is to march around with cardboard signs on Wall Street, because if that is the case, then we actually are screwed.

It could be exactly that...

82 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:21:10am

re: #80 boxhead

And, again, much like having a modern infrastructure, having educated people is an overall benefit to all of USA.

This is also why I mentioned the "Mike Rowe" class of jobs earlier. Someone's gotta extract/create/etc. the materials to build that infrastructure that the engineers design. Wall Street and their politicians are besieging the unions that give this class of jobs their diginity and regulations.

83 freetoken  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:24:22am

re: #80 boxhead

Look, way back when I graduated I had some debt but it was small compared to today's graduates, and I was able to pay them off in a couple of years.

College costs are coming under more and more scrutiny. Faculty have pointed out that the costs are not be driven by the teaching faculty but rather by "overhead". Many faculty have written about the onslaught of "deanlets" and committees... Also, one thing that is occurring these days has been the rising infrastructure costs due to expansion.

I look at higher ed like I do SoCal real-estate - bubble driven.

The idea of universal college education is a utopian idea. Reality demands something else.

I would rather see people in apprenticeships after graduating from H.S. as literate, numerate, and socially aware members of their community, rather than having to spend tens of thousands of dollars whirling away for 4 years trying to make up for the lost time in H.S.

84 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:25:24am

re: #82 laZardo

This is also why I mentioned the "Mike Rowe" class of jobs earlier. Someone's gotta extract/create/etc. the materials to build that infrastructure that the engineers design. Wall Street and their politicians are besieging the unions that give this class of jobs their diginity and regulations.

Building stuff was a way a person without the skills to become an engineer, etc to have a good job so that they could raise a family. Unions were the reason for that. Now unions are a scape goat and finding a job to raise a family and buy a home are increasingly difficult.

85 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:26:00am

9/11 Truther, We Are Change founder and general Alex Jones imitator and lackey Luke Rudkowski reporting from the Brooklyn Bridge incident:

Special broadcast on OWS by Alex Jones, 1st part:

86 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:30:24am
87 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:31:39am

re: #83 freetoken

Look, way back when I graduated I had some debt but it was small compared to today's graduates, and I was able to pay them off in a couple of years.

College costs are coming under more and more scrutiny. Faculty have pointed out that the costs are not be driven by the teaching faculty but rather by "overhead". Many faculty have written about the onslaught of "deanlets" and committees... Also, one thing that is occurring these days has been the rising infrastructure costs due to expansion.

I look at higher ed like I do SoCal real-estate - bubble driven.

The idea of universal college education is a utopian idea. Reality demands something else.

I would rather see people in apprenticeships after graduating from H.S. as literate, numerate, and socially aware members of their community, rather than having to spend tens of thousands of dollars whirling away for 4 years trying to make up for the lost time in H.S.

If there is waste, then audits should be done. Apprenticeships are a great idea, not sure how that can happen with today's cost driven attitude. There are not enough skills were such training could fill the demands for jobs. And as far as college education is concerned, there are healthy Countries that do just that. Sure, they are small, but it is a reality.

I truly believe there are forces in this Country that want college to be very expensive and thus limited to only a certain few.

88 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:33:52am

re: #85 000G

Special broadcast on OWS by Alex Jones, 1st part:

[Video]

Seems like Alex is saying that OWS is an orchestrated effort by Obama White House and George Soros in order to bring a color revolution to America.

Yeah, Alex has truly shattered the left-right paradigm… ///

89 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:34:46am

re: #88 000G

Seems like Alex is saying that OWS is an orchestrated effort by Obama White House and George Soros in order to bring a color revolution to America.

Yeah, Alex has truly shattered the left-right paradigm… ///

I should take that to the truthers I run into next time I drop by. XD

90 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:38:07am

re: #89 laZardo

I should take that to the truthers I run into next time I drop by. XD

They might not be there anymore (from one of the InfoWars cached links above):

Jones has announced a nationwide Occupy the Fed rally and will personally be protesting Federal Reserve locations in Dallas, San Antonio and Houston this coming week.

[Link: www.google.com...]

91 laZardo  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:46:31am

Welp, heading to bed. Got jobhuntan in the morning. Nighty!

92 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:46:33am

Drudge runs with Alex Jones "analysis", links to InfoWars with top headline:

Image: drudgeinforwarsows.jpg

93 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:48:04am

re: #91 laZardo

Welp, heading to bed. Got jobhuntan in the morning. Nighty!

nite... and me too

94 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:15:54am

re: #90 000G

[Link: twitter.com...]
[Link: twitter.com...]

95 freetoken  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:19:47am
96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:34:03am

re: #86 000G

Alex Jones' InfoWars comes out against OWS:

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama

Occupy Wall Street: A Globalist Op Designed to Destroy Efforts to End the Fed

Well, the more protests the AJ crankodoodles sit out, the better for all involved.

97 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:35:30am

re: #90 000G

They might not be there anymore (from one of the InfoWars cached links above):

[Link: www.google.com...]

Occupy the Occupation!!!

Alex Jones lol

99 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:53:54am

re: #98 Summer

More Pastors Sign on to Preach Politics From Pulpit

They have every right to campaign from their highly-taxed churches.

100 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:01:16am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

The Christian Founding Fathers fought for representation without taxation!

101 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:01:58am

re: #97 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Alex Jones lol

Quite honestly, I don't see #occupywallstreet as having much more sophistication than #occupythefed

102 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:03:55am

re: #101 000G

Quite honestly, I don't see #occupywallstreet as having much more sophistication than #occupythefed

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then you all go home wet in the October rain.

103 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:06:37am

Morning, all

104 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:09:00am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

They have every right to campaign from their highly-taxed churches.

Either play by the rules or get out of the game.

They are attention seekers.

105 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:12:54am

re: #104 researchok

Either play by the rules or get out of the game.

They are attention seekers.

That's the least of their sins. They truly, admittedly, divide the world into shepherds and sheep.

106 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:12:58am

Morning Honcos.

107 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:14:15am

re: #95 freetoken

[Video]

This ought to make Sergey happy.

If he's on the fence, I'll suggest some Stoly to get in the mood.

108 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:16:06am

Hey researchok, I always wanted to know: Why are you a correspondent with Pajamas Media?

109 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:16:07am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

That's the least of their sins. They truly, admittedly, divide the world into shepherds and sheep.

Yup- and not exactly a new state of affairs.

Isn't interesting how the best and most influential religious leaders don't need politics or diviseness to inspire and empower us.

110 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:20:55am

re: #108 000G

Hey researchok, I always wanted to know: Why are you a correspondent with Pajamas Media?

I was a long ago, not so much on political issues but on psych matters, along with some other psych bloggers.

I've become more centrist (though still tilt right) over time. Actually, this blog has influenced me and I have matured in that regard.

I have taken a lot of heat for my defense of CJ- I still get hate mail that!

I like where I am, politically. I avoid conflict, appreciate those who engage in real exchange here and try not to incite anyone.

I've been here a long time and I'm happy about that.

111 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:22:13am

re: #110 researchok

I was a long ago

So you are not anymore? Because there still is a prominently placed button suggesting so on your blog.

112 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:27:47am

re: #111 000G

So you are not anymore? Because there still is a prominently placed button suggesting so on your blog.

No, I haven't written anything for PJM or participated in any way for years.

I was never asked to take down the button and quite honestly,until you mentioned it, I had not given it a thought.

I kind of like the idea of being the PJM contributor that is 'out there', come to think about it.

113 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:31:35am

re: #111 000G

So you are not anymore? Because there still is a prominently placed button suggesting so on your blog.

You know, there was a time when PJM was very different than it is now.

Charles was one of the founders. Sadly, PJM became less credible and more of an ideological platform as opposed to a more balanced endeavor and that was the impetus for his parting company.

114 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:32:41am

re: #111 000G

So you are not anymore? Because there still is a prominently placed button suggesting so on your blog.

Maybe I should take the button down.

What do you think?

115 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:33:46am

re: #114 researchok

Maybe I should take the button down.

What do you think?

Just go over it with some white paint, but use the good stuff.

116 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:34:25am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Just go over it with some white paint, but use the good stuff.

LOLOL

117 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:37:19am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Just go over it with some white paint, but use the good stuff.

I will say one thing- PJM never gave me a hard time for defending CJ or LGF and they never asked for their button back. In fact, some of the other PJM contributors came to my defense. They didn't agree with me but they were stand up.

118 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:41:09am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Seriously, do you think I ought to take the button down?

I respect your opinion. Same to 000G

119 Summer Seale  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:42:52am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

They have every right to campaign from their highly-taxed churches.

The article states, however, that not a single Church which has engaged in this activity has ever had their tax-free status withdrawn.

120 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:52:16am

Morning all

121 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:54:21am

re: #119 Summer

The article states, however, that not a single Church which has engaged in this activity has ever had their tax-free status withdrawn.

An oversight that should be fixed.

122 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:55:23am

re: #114 researchok

Maybe I should take the button down.

What do you think?

Your call. Personally, I would not want to associate myself with this:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

123 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:56:04am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Just go over it with some white paint, but use the good stuff.

Why does it always have to be "white" paint? What's wrong with the other colors?

124 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:57:06am

re: #118 researchok

Seriously, do you think I ought to take the button down?

I respect your opinion. Same to 000G

Don't know enough about it. If PM is totally batshit, I wouldn't want any on my face to the world. If it has redeeming social virtue for your readership, and won't cause confusion, let it be.

125 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:58:48am

re: #122 000G

Your call. Personally, I would not want to associate myself with this:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Good points. That stuff never shoud have made it past an editor.

I'll take it down (if I can figure out how to do that) right away.

PJM really has devolved.

126 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:02:17am

re: #123 RogueOne

Reminds me of a joke.

What's blue and tastes like red paint?

Blue paint.

127 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:02:41am

I have no idea how to delete the button.

Great. Anyone here know how to do this?

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:03:17am

A former model who killed, cooked and ate her husband 20 years ago will make a bid for freedom next week.
...
After murdering him, Nelson boiled her husband's head on the stove and fried his hands in oil, the Daily Pilot reported.

[Link: www.nbcmiami.com...]

129 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:04:46am

re: #123 RogueOne

Why does it always have to be "white" paint? What's wrong with the other colors?

When my wife was a child in post-war Germany, a commandeered building on a base in Nuremberg was used as a PX. A large metal swastika had been removed from the external wall, but left a distinct 'shadow'. A coat of cheap Army White fixed it--for a while.

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:05:57am

re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar

A former model who killed, cooked and ate her husband 20 years ago will make a bid for freedom next week.
...
After murdering him, Nelson boiled her husband's head on the stove and fried his hands in oil, the Daily Pilot reported.

[Link: www.nbcmiami.com...]

Well, look at those poor girls. They all could use a meal.

131 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:09:50am

OK, sent a request to WP for help.

132 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:09:59am

re: #127 researchok

I have no idea how to delete the button.

Great. Anyone here know how to do this?

Should be somewhere in your WordPress profile.

Speaking of PM, here's long-banned lizard zombie's photo-report on OWS @ PM: The Ongoing Occupation of America (accompanying PM frontpage blurb: "That’s the anti-corporate revolutionaries in the distance, somewhere. San Francisco: Consider yourself occupied!")

Previously at zombie's own blog: Day of FAIL : Nationwide anti-capitalist revolution flops

133 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:11:49am

It's gone!

I figured it out.... (a minor miracle in itself for you Godless heathens...)

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:12:19am

Have to bail early today--jury duty. Off to free the robbers and murderers, and put a few bankers in slam.

135 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:12:54am

re: #132 000G

Should be somewhere in your WordPress profile.

Speaking of PM, here's long-banned lizard zombie's photo-report on OWS @ PM: The Ongoing Occupation of America (accompanying PM frontpage blurb: "That’s the anti-corporate revolutionaries in the distance, somewhere. San Francisco: Consider yourself occupied!")

Previously at zombie's own blog: Day of FAIL : Nationwide anti-capitalist revolution flops

Message received.

TY.

Honestly, I had not thought of that button in years.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:18:02am

re: #132 000G

We have the 2012 RNC convention in Tampa next year. The new mayor has already laid down the law, saying people can protest and the such, as long as they don't break any laws. But you know people are gonna break laws to get their faces on TV.

137 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:30:26am

re: #132 000G

Politically, I'm pretty much an iconoclast- I'm right of center and I like Obama a lot. He has done a bang up job on national security, second to none. He's taken a lot of heat from his base and doesn't give a damn about it.

I believe he does have some good economic plans though his execution is has been nothing less than awful. He pandered early to unions (he's still paying for that) instead of focusing on jobs and how he got talked into the insane stimulus I'll never understand.

He was right to bail out the banks and GM (they screwed him over big time in the end with big bonuses and wasteful spending) because to not have done would have caused a job loss cascade.

I believe Obama is a transitional president in the sense that his agendas will influence future leadership, not unlike Clinton and Regan for example- and that is why he is so despised. He is the first real 21st century president and like it or not, he has begun to move the country.

He isn't perfect (far from it!) but what president has been? He is not the messiah offering a utopia- he is a leader that expects the nation the get back to work, to repair and itself from decades of indulgence.

He's a realist. He's a capitalist because capiltalism works like no other system in the world, but he also believes no one ought to get a free ride (big business).

He's upset a lot of people- good on him- on both sides of the aisle.

Obama is not a Democrat of the same machine as the House Democrats any more than Reagan was a Republican of the House Republican machine. They were leaders. They pissed off their bases when they had to, for the betterment of the nation.

Were they perfect? Nope.

The fact is, they never had to be.

138 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:32:30am

re: #132 000G

Politically, I'm pretty much an iconoclast- I'm right of center and I like Obama a lot. He has done a bang up job on national security, second to none. He's taken a lot of heat from his base and doesn't give a damn about it.

I believe he does have some good economic plans though his execution is has been nothing less than awful. He pandered early to unions (he's still paying for that) instead of focusing on jobs and how he got talked into the insane stimulus I'll never understand.

He was right to bail out the banks and GM (they screwed him over big time in the end with big bonuses and wasteful spending) because to not have done would have caused a job loss cascade.

I believe Obama is a transitional president in the sense that his agendas will influence future leadership, not unlike Clinton and Regan for example- and that is why he is so despised. He is the first real 21st century president and like it or not, he has begun to move the country.

He isn't perfect (far from it!) but what president has been? He is not the messiah offering a utopia- he is a leader that expects the nation the get back to work, to repair and itself from decades of indulgence.

He's a realist. He's a capitalist because capiltalism works like no other system in the world, but he also believes no one ought to get a free ride (big business).

He's upset a lot of people- good on him- on both sides of the aisle.

Obama is not a Democrat of the same machine as the House Democrats any more than Reagan was a Republican of the House Republican machine. They were leaders. They pissed off their bases when they had to, for the betterment of the nation.

Were they perfect? Nope.

The fact is, they never had to be.

139 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:33:37am

re: #132 000G

Politically, I'm pretty much an iconoclast- I'm right of center and I like Obama a lot. He has done a bang up job on national security, second to none. He's taken a lot of heat from his base and doesn't give a damn about it.

I believe he does have some good economic plans though his execution is has been nothing less than awful. He pandered early to unions (he's still paying for that) instead of focusing on jobs and how he got talked into the insane stimulus I'll never understand.

He was right to bail out the banks and GM (they screwed him over big time in the end with big bonuses and wasteful spending) because to not have done would have caused a job loss cascade.

I believe Obama is a transitional president in the sense that his agendas will influence future leadership, not unlike Clinton and Regan for example- and that is why he is so despised. He is the first real 21st century president and like it or not, he has begun to move the country.

He isn't perfect (far from it!) but what president has been? He is not the messiah offering a utopia- he is a leader that expects the nation the get back to work, to repair and itself from decades of indulgence.

He's a realist. He's a capitalist because capiltalism works like no other system in the world, but he also believes no one ought to get a free ride (big business).

He's upset a lot of people- good on him- on both sides of the aisle.

Obama is not a Democrat of the same machine as the House Democrats any more than Reagan was a Republican of the House Republican machine. They were leaders. They pissed off their bases when they had to, for the betterment of the nation.

Were they perfect? Nope.

The fact is, they never had to be.

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:35:14am

re: #132 000G

The new mayor of Tampa is looking at these protest, getting ready for the RNC convention next year. He has already said people can protest as long as they don't break any laws, but you know people are gonna try to get arrested to get face time on TV.

141 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:36:05am
Despite the silly nose, clowning is no joke: Israel hosts an international congress on #medical #clowning [Link: dld.bz...] #Israel

[Link: twitter.com...]

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:37:20am

I'm getting the spinning wheel of death.

143 freetoken  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:38:13am
144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:39:46am

one more test

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:40:44am

I must be drunk. I'm seeing double post!!!
///

146 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:41:12am

re: #137 researchok

re: #138 researchok

re: #139 researchok

Once more, this time with feeling!

147 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:41:36am

re: #143 freetoken

[Video]

About damned time you showed up.
//

148 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:42:12am

re: #146 RogueOne

re: #138 researchok

re: #139 researchok

Once more, this time with feeling!

That's God's way of telling you I'm right.
/

149 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:44:03am

re: #148 researchok

That's God's way of telling you I'm right.
/

When you said

He has done a bang up job on national security, second to none.

I banged my head on my desk and blacked out for a second. I thought the triple post was just in my head until my vision cleared.

150 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:44:46am

re: #149 RogueOne

When you said

I banged my head on my desk and blacked out for a second. I thought the triple post was just in my head until my vision cleared.

You owe two more head bangs.

151 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:52:04am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm getting the spinning wheel of death.

I'm still having problems. The site keeps locking up on me, is it just me again?

152 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:53:05am

re: #151 RogueOne

I'm still having problems. The site keeps locking up on me, is it just me again?

Yes.

There is a message there.
//

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:53:47am

Francisco Tirado, 27, of the 3700 block of Salem Walk in unincorporated Northbrook, was charged Friday with two felony counts of aggravated domestic battery and one felony count of aggravated unlawful restraint, according to a release from the Cook County Sheriff’s office.

The arrest was the 65th since 2001, the release said.
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

WTF?

154 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:56:43am

re: #152 researchok

Yes.

There is a message there.
//

My flash plug-in locked up on me. Refresh and all good.

155 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:56:53am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Francisco Tirado, 27, of the 3700 block of Salem Walk in unincorporated Northbrook, was charged Friday with two felony counts of aggravated domestic battery and one felony count of aggravated unlawful restraint, according to a release from the Cook County Sheriff’s office.

The arrest was the 65th since 2001, the release said.
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

WTF?

If getting arrested were an Olympic sport, we've got a lock on the gold medal.

156 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:57:11am

re: #154 RogueOne

My flash plug-in locked up on me. Refresh and all good.

Welcome back.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:57:44am

re: #156 researchok

Welcome back.

Don't encourage him.

158 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:00:38am

re: #157 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't encourage him.

You're being a little uppity, you must see the beat down coming tonight!//

159 researchok  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:01:09am

Popcorn, anyone?

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:04:32am

re: #158 RogueOne

You're being a little uppity, you must see the beat down coming tonight!//

Rays at 5, Bucs at 9. Seems many people will be seeing Tampa today. Also A Dolphin's Tale was number 1 at the box office.

161 RogueOne  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:07:30am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rays at 5, Bucs at 9. Seems many people will be seeing Tampa today. Also A Dolphin's Tale was number 1 at the box office.

...and Verlander pitches tonight for the tigers. I'd rather see him line up behind Jeff Saturday than Curtis Freakin' Painter. A good night for sports. I have an incredibly busy week that I need to get started. Enjoy the day people!

162 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:08:35am

Oh, and today is the two year anniversary of my best friend dying. Fucker.

163 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:10:44am

Morning all!

How is everyone so far?

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:11:26am

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, and today is the two year anniversary of my best friend dying. Fucker.

[Video]

:(((( Cannadian Club Akbar)))))

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:18:07am

re: #67 freetoken

We spend 12 years to do that for each child... if they can't be "well educated" in 12 years then it's time to cut bait.

I have to agree. There is also no one standard of what is "well educated". There are many Mike Rowe-Type of jobs that require real intelligence. I agree with Mike that we need to change our perceptions.

Not everyone needs a 4-year academic scholarly degree. Business majors seem to be a dime-a dozen and they get out of college and find jobs as retail assistant managers -- barely making enough to pay rent and their loans. Many would be happier as plumbers or truck drivers, IMHO.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:18:36am

I killed the thread again.

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:19:02am

re: #166 ggt

I killed the thread again.

Way to go!!!
/

168 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:19:44am

I did it all by myself!

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:20:35am

re: #168 ggt

I did it all by myself!

I swear I read that as Eric Cartman. Heh.

170 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:22:09am

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

I swear I read that as Eric Cartman. Heh.

I know!!!!!

171 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:22:38am

re: #165 ggt

An old friend of mine made over 100K as an auto technician. He also got a Saab '95 for a song.

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:23:47am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

An old friend of mine made over 100K as an auto technician. He also got a Saab '95 for a song.

A Saab 95, the model, not the year. D'oh!!

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:34:18am

effing BSOD!!!

174 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:41:20am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar
Doing sheetrock today?

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:44:09am

re: #174 Shropshire_Slasher

Doing sheetrock today?

No. We finished a deck Friday but still have more stuff to do. Like putting another 3 feet on an outdoor smoker. (this means me lifting buckets of cement) But I'm going on a job interview today at 2, so this will wait until tomorrow. (Dude is cool about me going to interviews)

176 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:49:36am

Quite Interesting as the King is still in power today.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:52:50am

re: #176 ggt

Quite Interesting as the King is still in power today.

Sounds like a hit to me.

178 iossarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 4:56:59am

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sounds like a hit to me.

If only Obama had been there to take away their guns.

/obvious

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:03:15am

Back to bed. I think Bother Puppy is ready for his nap.

180 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:07:19am

Heh, my wife is jealous of our brindle colored Plott hound. I sit and watch tv with my arm around the dog, not her. I can't help it if he has velvety fur!

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:08:43am

re: #179 ggt

Back to bed. I think Bother Puppy is ready for his nap.

At any given time? Brother Puppy is ready for his nap.

When Brother Puppy wakes up from his nap; as soon as he pees? He's ready for his nap.

182 iossarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:09:32am

re: #180 Shropshire_Slasher

Heh, my wife is jealous of our brindle colored Plott hound. I sit and watch tv with my arm around the dog, not her. I can't help it if he has velvety fur!

I wouldn't put my arm around my wife if she had velvety fur either!

Man, I'm on fire this morning.

183 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:12:40am

Good morning lizards!

184 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:18:18am

I saw Hank Williams Jr talking about his father's new CD out for sale this morning and he was asked about politics. He compared Obama to Hitler.

Major facepalm moment.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:20:25am

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

I saw Hank Williams Jr talking about his father's new CD out for sale this morning and he was asked about politics. He compared Obama to Hitler.

Major facepalm moment.

What is it with Presidents being compared to Hitler besides the stupidity of people? Wait....

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:21:00am

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

His father's new CD?

187 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:21:01am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is it with Presidents being compared to Hitler besides the stupidity of people? Wait...

You can't fix stupid.

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:22:23am

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

His father's new CD?

Not surprising. IIRC, Hendrix and Janis Joplin put out more records after they were dead than the did when they were alive.

189 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:25:03am

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

His father's new CD?

It's called "The Lost Notebooks of Hank Williams".

Like Woody Guthrie, Hank Williams left a lot of notebooks and unpublished lyrics behind him when he died, a virtual treasure trove for archivists.

Williams’ longtime admirer Mary Martin approached Bob Dylan and with help from some major league stars, the project materialized on Dylan’s own record label, Egyptian.

Craggy veteran Dylan seems re-energized here, singing a fine country-fied version of “The Love That Faded.” Fellow contributors include Dylan’s son Jakob (“Oh, Mama, Come Home”); Williams’ fan Alan Jackson who starts the set off with “You’ve Been Lonesome Too;” Levon Helm who takes over the violin-ballad “You’ll Never Again Be Mine;” and the ever-reliable Norah Jones (“How Many Times Have You Broken My Heart?”) among others.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:39:14am

Off to the Social Security office and the DMV. Let's hope I don't have to take a hostage.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:40:11am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Off to the Social Security office and the DMV. Let's hope I don't have to take a hostage.

I don't know what's worse, the Social Security office or the DMV.

192 boxhead  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:42:02am

re: #165 ggt

I have to agree. There is also no one standard of what is "well educated". There are many Mike Rowe-Type of jobs that require real intelligence. I agree with Mike that we need to change our perceptions.

Not everyone needs a 4-year academic scholarly degree. Business majors seem to be a dime-a dozen and they get out of college and find jobs as retail assistant managers -- barely making enough to pay rent and their loans. Many would be happier as plumbers or truck drivers, IMHO.

There is a huge difference between, not everyone needs or will benefit from a college education, and high school is good enough. Why is education so feared or reviled now? Trades are good jobs as long as the are not filled with illegal immigrants who will drive down pay to the poverty level. My point was that USA NEEDS a whole lot of college educated people in order to compete with the rest of the world. And in doing so, why are these young folks having to enter a soft job market with so much debt? It will be the highly educated that will help turn our trade deficit around. Not Mike Rowe type jobs....

I am really shocked that this is even an issue here.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:44:14am

Zombies are infiltrating the Occupy Wall Street protesters!

Wall Street Protesters Dress as Zombies to Greet Workers

194 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:53:47am

hiya, cultist freeks.

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:56:09am

re: #194 Sergey Romanov

hiya, cultist freeks.

We need a really cool chant.

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:56:53am

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

We need a really cool chant.

What's wrong with ole Ïa! Ïa! ?

197 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:57:56am

re: #194 Sergey Romanov

hiya, cultist freeks.

Revolution!

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:58:29am

re: #196 Sergey Romanov

What's wrong with ole Ïa! Ïa! ?

How 'bout
"We're here!! We got beer!! Get used to it!!"

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:00:12am

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

How 'bout
"We're here!! We got beer!! Get used to it!!"

If shouted, could be misheard.

NTTAWWT!!

200 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:00:22am
201 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:02:58am

Anything exciting happen over the long weekend?

202 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:03:12am

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

If shouted, could be misheard.

NTTAWWT!!

more liek

203 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:04:36am

re: #201 Alouette

Anything exciting happen over the long weekend?

Pretty quiet I hear in NYC. Nothing new happened there.
//

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:06:36am

re: #202 000G

more liek

[Video]

I'm on minute 2. Does it change until 11?

205 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:08:51am

re: #201 Alouette

Anything exciting happen over the long weekend?

Not yet over in Germany.

This one is for Alouette and for all other working people, Jews and Goyim alike:

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:09:31am

[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]

A BAHRAINI princess has been accused of involvement in the torture of detainees during the country's suppression of anti-government protesters this year.

207 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:09:39am

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

I'm on minute 2. Does it change until 11?

Yes. It's not quite Philip Glass. :-)

BTW:

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:10:44am

re: #207 000G

Yes. It's not quite Philip Glass. :-)

Well, there's Glass and there's Glass.

209 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:11:25am

re: #208 Sergey Romanov

Well, there's Glass and there's Glass.

[Video]

Can't play, blocked by GEMA. :-/

PS: See modified #207.

210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:12:06am

Good morning Lizards!

Cool and sports-results unhappy city of Philadelphia.

I spent the weekend making slow cooker pulled pork BBQ. Two batches done and now the fridge and freezer have a nice supply of delicious meat for meals and feeding coworkers. Plus some pork stew made from the cooking process by-products.

Feline Overlords approved of this weekend's labors.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:13:21am

re: #205 000G

Not yet over in Germany.

This one is for Alouette and for all other working people, Jews and Goyim alike:

[Video]

Heh. And this should fit the recent events ;)

212 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:13:24am

re: #205 000G

This one is for Alouette and for all other working people, Jews and Goyim alike:

[Video]

OOoops, wrong Zupfgeigenhansel track. Here is the correct one:

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:17:25am

re: #210 oaktree

I wouldn't worry about the Phillies, they'll be fine. If the Eagles go 1-4, there will be riots!!
/

214 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:18:39am

Finally! Cool.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

After brief deliberations on the eve of last week's Rosh Hashanah holiday, a Tel Aviv judge ruled that Israeli author Yoram Kaniuk could register his official religious status as "without religion."

"Freedom from religion is a freedom derived from the right to human dignity, which is protected by the Basic Law on Human Dignity and Freedom," Judge Gideon Ginat of the Tel Aviv District Court wrote in his unusual ruling.

[...]

"This is a ruling of historic proportions," Kaniuk said to Haaretz yesterday, with audible emotion. "The court granted legitimacy to every person to live by their conscience in this land, in ruling that human dignity and freedom means a person can determine their own identity and definition. In this way I can be without religion but Jewish by nationality. I am so thrilled," Kaniuk said.

215 garhighway  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:19:49am

Morning, all. It is a crisp fall day in NYC.

I spent a significant chunk of my weekend buying and installing a new PC at home in an attempt to cure some reliability issues.

I got an HP with the Intel i7 chip, and while we still have a few issues recovering some of my wife's Outlook Express stuff, it appears to have done the trick. Despite Verizon's sucky DSL service (rated by Speedtest.net a D-), pages load MUCH faster, programs run faster, everything seems to work better.

Thanks to those who offered me advice.

216 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:20:11am

Probably my favorite Zupfgeigenhansel track:

"Sog nischt kejnmol as du gejst dem letstn weg,
chotsch himlen blajene farschteln bloje teg,
kumen wet noch undser ojsgebenkte schoh,
s'wet a pojk ton undser trot - mir senen do!

Fun grinem palmen-land bis wajtn land fun schnej,
mir kumen an mit undser pejn, mit undser wej,
un wu gefaln is a schprits fun undser blut,
schprotsn wet dort undser gwure, undser mut.

S'wet morgn-sun bagildn unds dem hajnt
un der nechtn wet farschwindn mitn fajnt,
nor ojb farsamen wet di sun un der kajor,
wi an parol sol gejn dos lid fun dor tsu dor.

Dos lid geschribn ist mit blut un nischt mit blaj,
s'is kejn lidl fun an fojgl ojf der fraj,
dos hot a folk tswischen falndike went
dos lidl gesungen mit naganes in die hent.

To, sog nischt kejnmol as du gejst dem letstn weg,
chotsch himlen, blajene, farschteln bloje teg,
kumen wet noch undser ojsgebenkte schoh,
s'wet a pojk ton undser trot - mir senen do!"

217 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:20:23am

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]

A BAHRAINI princess has been accused of involvement in the torture of detainees during the country's suppression of anti-government protesters this year. Some of the doctors...have alleged that Sheikha Noora bint Ibrahim al-Khalifa beat prisoners with sticks and a rubber hose, and gave electric shocks to the face with a cable.

How about some bitter irony to start the day as well?

Arab Princess Is Undercover Cover Cop

Noora hopes her work will encourage other women to follow in her footsteps and join the profession. She added: "I realise that when I entered this career, I would open more doors for my fellow females to join this force. Women have become pilots and doctors, but it's nice to be the first to enter a field like this as I feel I opened the door for others to join."

Why not? She's just proved that women are just as capable as their male counterparts of torture, violence, and abusing political prisoners 9_9

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:22:44am

re: #217 publicityStunted

*shakes head*

219 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:24:33am

re: #205 000G

Not yet over in Germany.

This one is for Alouette and for all other working people, Jews and Goyim alike:

[Video]

There is a story about that song. It seems that nazis liked to make the Jews sing and dance for them, and they ordered the prisoners to sing this particular song because it was so, you know, happy.

In defiance, the Jews changed the lyrics to "Wir wollen sie überleben!" (We will outlive you!)

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:26:06am

re: #217 publicityStunted

Women have been torturing men for a long time:
"Hold my purse while I try this on".
"Let's go to Pottery Barn".
"How many beers are you gonna drink today"?
"You're not wearing that, are you"?
etc, etc....
///

221 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:27:32am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

Women have been torturing men for a long time:
"Hold my purse while I try this on".
"Let's go to Pottery Barn".
"How many beers are you gonna drink today"?
"You're not wearing that, are you"?
etc, etc...
///

"Does this make me look fat?"

222 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:27:33am

re: #216 000G

Probably my favorite Zupfgeigenhansel track:

[Video]

It is so weird to see Yiddish transliterated into German. Normally, Yiddish is written in Hebrew letters.

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:28:21am

re: #221 NJDhockeyfan

"Does this make me look fat?"

Let's see a foreign film.

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:28:29am

re: #209 000G

Can't play, blocked by GEMA. :-/

PS: See modified #207.

BTW, here's a nice rendition. Not as much musically as visually:

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

225 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:29:07am

re: #219 Alouette

Heh. Yeah, Yiddish is recognizable to people who know German, but only to a certain extent (there is a heartbreaking scene in Art Spiegelman's Maus in which some Jews rely on that secrecy a little too much, though).

My favorite German concentration camp song is probably the Moorsoldaten song:

German/English version performed by Pete Seeger (there's quite a few versions of "The Peat Bog Soldiers" out there):

Does anyone recognize this one, btw?:

226 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:32:25am

re: #222 Alouette

It is so weird to see Yiddish transliterated into German. Normally, Yiddish is written in Hebrew letters.

Was that always the case, though? It originated mostly from German, AFAIK.

...

I hate that so much contemporary German-Jewish culture in Germany is now just past things like memorials and gravestones plus dealing with Germans' obsessions about Israel. Not enough life, dammit!

227 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:38:10am

re: #216 000G

Probably my favorite Zupfgeigenhansel track:

[Video]

"Sog nischt kejnmol as du gejst dem letstn weg,
chotsch himlen blajene farschteln bloje teg,
kumen wet noch undser ojsgebenkte schoh,
s'wet a pojk ton undser trot - mir senen do!

Never say that this is the final way
Even though dark clouds hide blue skies
Our long-awaited hour will yet come
With a spring in our step--Here we are!

Fun grinem palmen-land bis wajtn land fun schnej,
mir kumen an mit undser pejn, mit undser wej,
un wu gefaln is a schprits fun undser blut,
schprotsn wet dort undser gwure, undser mut.

From green tropics and from far snow-filled lands
We are coming with our pain, with our anguish
And wherever a drop of our blood may fall
It will water our strength and our courage

S'wet morgn-sun bagildn unds dem hajnt
un der nechtn wet farschwindn mitn fajnt,
nor ojb farsamen wet di sun un der kajor,
wi an parol sol gejn dos lid fun dor tsu dor.

The sunrise will shine upon the day
And yesterday will disappear with the foes
[not sure about this line]
Like a password this song shall pass from generation to generation!

Dos lid geschribn ist mit blut un nischt mit blaj,
s'is kejn lidl fun an fojgl ojf der fraj,
dos hot a folk tswischen falndike went
dos lidl gesungen mit naganes in die hent.

This song is written with blood and not with pencil
It's no song about a a little bird
But a people, between crushing walls
Sang this song with [something] in their hands

To, sog nischt kejnmol as du gejst dem letstn weg,
chotsch himlen, blajene, farschteln bloje teg,
kumen wet noch undser ojsgebenkte schoh,
s'wet a pojk ton undser trot - mir senen do!"

(Repeat of first stanza)

I'm pretty sure this is a Zionist anthem.

228 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:41:13am

re: #227 Alouette

I'm pretty sure this is a Zionist anthem.

Almost: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thank you for translating :-)

229 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:43:17am

I like Psoy's version of Afn Pripechek with built-in translation:

230 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:44:24am

re: #226 000G

Was that always the case, though? It originated mostly from German, AFAIK.

...

I hate that so much contemporary German-Jewish culture in Germany is now just past things like memorials and gravestones plus dealing with Germans' obsessions about Israel. Not enough life, dammit!

I visited Frankfurt a couple of years ago. We had an 8-hour layover at the airport (returning from a visit to Israel) and decided to go out and do some touristing. We took the train to the Jewish neighborhood. We visited Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch's beautiful old synagogue, and had an overpriced lunch at the Frankfurt JCC. The Frankfurt Jews were the most UNFRIENDLY folks we had ever (not) met. No one introduced themselves, and they all had an aversion to speaking German: everyone spoke Hebrew, Russian, Yiddish or English (in that order). Yes, they were suspicious of strangers because of recent stabbing attacks, but, we were obviously "friendlies."

231 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:46:11am

re: #230 Alouette

Heh. I visited my local synagogue a few years back. It was almost exclusively elderly Jews from the former Soviet Union. I really could not fit in.

It's still a long way until Jews are going to live normally amongst Germans.

Nice architecture though. I loved the unicorn in the colored windows!

233 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:52:20am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

And that's just for starters.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:53:57am

re: #233 Sergey Romanov

And that's just for starters.

Roseanne Barr who is supporting the protesters wants bankers beheaded.

235 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:54:47am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Apropos:

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:54:59am
237 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:55:49am

re: #231 000G

Heh. I visited my local synagogue a few years back. It was almost exclusively elderly Jews from the former Soviet Union. I really could not fit in.

It's still a long way until Jews are going to live normally amongst Germans.

Nice architecture though. I loved the unicorn in the colored windows!

I'm not going to say that all the German Jews are unfriendly. On the contrary, se met some very nice people. There was a young college girl who helped us at the train station, and an elderly Moroccan man who stopped us in the street just to chat in Hebrew.

238 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:56:51am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF happened to my /// tags? Sheesh. PIMF.

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:57:55am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

The first moment I saw her photo in that article, I thought "WTF, why is Ozzie pictured here?".

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:57:55am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Roseanne Barr who is supporting the protesters wants bankers beheaded.

Funny, she sure didn't mind ABC giving her truckloads of cash....

241 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:59:06am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Roseanne Barr who is supporting the protesters wants bankers beheaded.

Is this part of the "New" made-over Roseanne who's like all Jewy and stuff, and has "The Forward" doing slobbering PR for her, or is this the same "Old" Roseanne?

242 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 6:59:47am

re: #237 Alouette

Oh yeah, no, I wasn't trying to say that, either. But I can understand why Jews would not feel very comfortable in Germany, even today.

When I visited the local syngagoue it was on an open-doors event and the female community leader (they had no rabbi nor cantor, desperately seeking for one) was very friendly and patient with the guests, so I know there are serious attempts at outreach.

243 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:00:49am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe it's a sign by one of the airplane pilots?

244 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:01:18am

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

Funny, she sure didn't mind ABC giving her truckloads of cash...

I wonder if she wants the bankers who are holding her piles of money in their bank vaults beheaded?

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:01:18am

re: #241 Alouette

Is this part of the "New" made-over Roseanne who's like all Jewy and stuff, and has "The Forward" doing slobbering PR for her, or is this the same "Old" Roseanne?

It's the "I am irrelevant but want to be relevant again no matter what I have to say to get there" Roseanne.

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:02:29am

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder if she wants the bankers who are holding her piles of money in their bank vaults beheaded?

I know she wants Tom Arnold beheaded.:)

247 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:02:46am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Sign from the NYC protest:

HOW I WISH THE MONUMENTS WOULD CRUMBLE, THE CHURCH REDUCED TO ASHES, A SEA OF TEARS WOULD FLOOD THE CITY, & THE ECONOMY WOULD CRASH!!

At least the OWS protesters know how to use spellcheck. //

248 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:03:11am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know she wants Tom Arnold beheaded.:)

She will search every redneck wedding to find him!

249 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:03:39am

It's nost just Big Oil and the Tobacco Mafia – all Big Evil clamors for makeup:

Extreme Makeover: Mideast Autocrat Edition

From Muammar Qaddafi to the house of Saud, six repressive rulers who hired PR firms to help clean up their images
[Link: motherjones.com...]

250 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:06:06am

Gotta go to work, later.

251 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:11:03am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Gotta go to work, later.

Don't you mean you have to go to work now?

I mean, if you had to go later, you could stay!!

/

252 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:11:59am

St. Ronald of Reagan speaks, and he sounds like a certain POTUS:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

253 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:12:33am

re: #252 Lidane

St. Ronald of Reagan speaks, and he sounds like a certain POTUS:

[Video][Link: thinkprogress.org...]

It's not the message, it's the messenger.

254 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:13:05am

re: #241 Alouette

No, she's just nuts.

255 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:13:54am

re: #253 JasonA

It's not the message, it's the messenger.

Exactly. Reagan said damn near the same thing and Republicans cheered him on. Obama says it and it's communism and wealth redistribution.

256 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:20:32am

God, I can't wait for tomorrow's Apple event revealing the iPhone 5. Just so the damn tech blogs can stop the constant speculation about it...

257 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:24:42am

So much for personal responsibility:

Blame it on teh ghey!

258 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:25:55am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's the "I am irrelevant but want to be relevant again no matter what I have to say to get there" Roseanne.

Did she threaten to sing the National Anthem again?

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:27:22am

re: #258 oaktree

Did she threaten to sing the National Anthem again?

If she tries, I hope it's in New York. They have snipers.
/actually they do, but I wish her no ill will. OK, maybe a little.

260 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:31:28am

re: #257 Lidane

So much for personal responsibility:

Blame it on teh ghey!

"The man who can smile when things go wrong has thought of someone he can blame it on." - Robert Bloch

261 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:42:23am

Bachmann earns her salary. Wait, no she doesn't.

GOP presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (MN) missed every single House vote in September and 58 percent of the votes since July 1, including votes to reauthorize national security programs.

262 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:46:27am

re: #261 makeitstop

Isn't this what happens when any of them run for PotUS, though?

263 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:52:38am

re: #261 makeitstop

And that's only going to get worse as the House remains in session through the end of the year. She can't make the votes and campaign at the same time.

Yet, Paul has managed to make some of the votes - and stay ahead of Bachmann in the polls.

Not that it matters though. Neither can win at the general elections and the GOP moneymen know it, which is why they're courting Christie in every way imaginable.

264 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:54:06am

re: #262 JasonA

Isn't this what happens when any of them run for PotUS, though?

Not the ones that have solved the time/ space continuum problem!

265 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:55:05am

re: #262 JasonA

Some candidates are able to make it for key votes. Remember too that Obama was slammed for missing votes while in the US Senate, and he made more than 50% of the votes. McCain made about 50% of his votes.

Bachmann? Zero Point Zero. She can't even be bothered with a vote. That's just sad - and it shows that she's simply incapable of juggling all the responsibilities of being a candidate, let alone President. If she's having trouble with her campaign and responsibilities as a member of the House, what will happen with her 3AM phone call? She wouldn't even be able to vote present. She's just not there.

266 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:56:50am

re: #265 lawhawk

Fair enough. I just didn't want to walk into the trap of criticizing her for something Obama had done and was too lazy to look it up :)

267 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 7:59:34am

re: #266 JasonA

Correction - Obama missed 56% of the votes - making just 44%. McCain made just under 50%. That's still a far cry from missing all the votes.

268 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:02:05am

re: #262 JasonA

Isn't this what happens when any of them run for PotUS, though?

True. Here's McCain's record during his presidential run.

While running for president in 2007 and 2008, he missed 420 votes, or 63.9 percent, of 657 opportunities - more votes than anyone in the Senate. Votes cast and missed are the best measure of attendance for lawmakers.

McCain also wasn't the only presidential candidate to miss votes in that period. During the 2007 and 2008 sessions of the 110th Congress, President Barack Obama, then a senator from Illinois, missed 303 votes, or 46.3 percent of his opportunities, for the 110th Congress' third-worst voting record. Vice President Joe Biden, then a senator from Delaware, was fourth-worst. He missed 209 votes, or 31.8 percent.

As soon as McCain returned to the Senate after losing to Obama, his voting record improved dramatically.

Granted, McCain's voting record isn't exemplary even when he's not running for prez - he's got the worst voting record of anyone in Congress. But at least Obama and Biden seem to have made an effort to show up for some votes.

But maybe if Congress-people run for president, they should resign their seats, at least temporarily. Bachmann's constituents essentially have no one voting for their interests at this point.

269 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:10:51am

re: #267 lawhawk

Correction - Obama missed 56% of the votes - making just 44%. McCain made just under 50%. That's still a far cry from missing all the votes.

I think you've got Obama's made/missed numbers backwards. See my post above from AZCentral.

270 allegro  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:11:52am

re: #265 lawhawk

She wouldn't even be able to vote present. She's just not there.

No loss. She isn't there when she is.

271 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:12:20am

re: #268 makeitstop

Traditionally, it's been quite rare for a member of Congress (House or Senate) to run and win the nomination, let alone win the WH. The past few cycles have seen Senators run and win the nomination, and Obama won the WH - with Biden as a VP after Biden lost the nomination.

It's much more typical for a governor to win the nomination and/or WH - at least since the beginning of the 20th century.

272 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:13:55am

re: #269 makeitstop

Possibly, but I took those numbers from the article you cited - [Link: www.ibtimes.com...]

It is always a struggle for presidential candidates to balance the demands of their campaigns with the demands of their current jobs, and Bachmann's record is not that much out of the ordinary. At this point in the 2008 campaign, for instance, President Obama -- then a U.S. senator from Illinois -- had missed 56 percent of roll call votes, and Republican candidate John McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, had missed just under 50 percent.

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:19:27am

LOOKY!!! MORE NUMBERS!!!!

Voting Record Barack Obama missed 314 (24%) of 1,300 roll call votes since Jan 6, 2005. The graph to the left shows the number of missed votes over time. Click for a larger chart and a list of recent votes.

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:26:29am

UPDATE on the "Is FBV a Murikan".

Okay... I'm still mad: but it's my fault. I have to prove I'm American. Take my birth certificate to the DMV. A couple of years ago I got a ticket and couldn't find it to pay it, but knew the county would send me a notice, so I didn't worry about it.

I was sent a notice by the backwards county that was entirely smeared on the carbon and it wasn't legible. The only thing I could read on it? My name and address. How convenient.

Got a notice from the DMV that I had to pay the fine and the DMV fine to get my license re-instated. Did everything online. Followed the directions and everything was fine.

Didn't notice that even (though I was doing everything on-line) that I had still have to go to the DMV with this information. Boy, does this suck.

But, in the end? It's my bad. I knew it was something stupid. Can't believe it took two years for them to find me.

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:29:28am

re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Aha! I knew it. Nobody who doesn't enjoy a juicy piece of meat now and then is a real Murikan! ///

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:30:01am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Oh... they forgot...

"AND I WISH MY MOM WOULD STOP HASSLING ME ABOUT SMOKING WEED AND TO GET A JOB AND MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE!"

But they ran out of crayon.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:30:08am

re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, no Belize?

278 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:30:09am

re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You were on the run and didn't even know it.

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:31:59am

re: #278 prairiefire

You were on the run and didn't even know it.

I think that's the best kind of "on the run". Let me ask OBL if that's true; he'll know.

Oh! I can't!

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:35:33am

Aaaand? Can't find my birth certificate. Have to order one from Richmond. Takes a week. Or I can drive there and get it in person. The Commonwealth of Virginia only has one office for this?

Know what? I don't want them to have another. My. Damn. Fault. for losing the old one.

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:36:51am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Aaaand? Can't find my birth certificate. Have to order one from Richmond. Takes a week. Or I can drive there and get it in person. The Commonwealth of Virginia only has one office for this?

Know what? I don't want them to have another. My. Damn. Fault. for losing the old one.

I'd check with the local health department.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:40:11am

re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar

Done did. They can't help me. Records are in Richmond only. Takes a month to get it by mail. I gotta go in person.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:41:08am

Could be worse. I could be Hawaiian.
/

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:41:49am

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Done did. They can't help me. Records are in Richmond only. Takes a month to get it by mail. I gotta go in person.

[Link: www.vitalchek.com...]

285 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:41:54am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Could be worse. I could be Hawaiian.
/

Yeah, that'd be some drive.
/

286 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:42:48am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Could be worse. I could be Hawaiian.
/

Could be worse. You could be in Moscow, where my son was living when he tried to get U.S. passports for his kids ("children born abroad to a U.S. citizen") And he already had a passport and a driver's license!

287 Ghazicide  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:44:10am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Could be worse. I could be Hawaiian.
/

Hey you bastard!

288 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:45:08am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't find my birth certificate.

Fat Bastard Manchurian!

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:45:17am

re: #287 BigPapa

Hey you bastard!

Don't worry, Charles will be deleting his account any minute now!!

290 Ghazicide  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:45:55am

Rove you Magnificent Manchurian Bastard!

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:46:03am

Heh. Now FBV will likely be the next Prez.

///

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:50:29am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

Checked that too. $33.00 (not counting shipping, which I guess is 10 bucks or so) to get it by the time you pay everything. My office is in Richmond. I'll find a reason to go and pay 12.00 at the window.

Ordered a new social security card this morning too. Then I found my old one in a few minutes of looking for the nirth certificate. I'll find the old nirth certificate a few moments after I get my new one. Just the way it works with me.

Oh, there are times when I wish I was that organized type. But, then I'd be a different, less interesting, less incredibly fantastic, less humble person.

Seriously, my humility is my greatest trait.

293 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:51:13am

re: #292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Checked that too. $33.00 (not counting shipping, which I guess is 10 bucks or so) to get it by the time you pay everything. My office is in Richmond. I'll find a reason to go and pay 12.00 at the window.

Ordered a new social security card this morning too. Then I found my old one in a few minutes of looking for the nirth certificate. I'll find the old nirth certificate a few moments after I get my new one. Just the way it works with me.

Oh, there are times when I wish I was that organized type. But, then I'd be a different, less interesting, less incredibly fantastic, less humble person.

Seriously, my humility is my greatest trait.

Go eat some cake. You deserve it.

294 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:54:24am

re: #292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sooo... are you on the side that thinks it's okay to make people have ID to vote?

295 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:54:44am

re: #291 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Now FBV will likely be the next Prez.

///

Hey, speaking of which...

Christie - Will he or won't he?

I'm getting the feeling he's going to throw his hat into the ring.

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:55:24am

re: #294 JasonA

Sooo... are you on the side that thinks it's okay to make people have ID to vote?

He has ID. His right to drive is in question.

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:55:33am

re: #295 makeitstop

Didn't he, like, deny it already? Or was it another guy?

298 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:56:54am

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

He has ID. His right to drive is in question.

I was pointing at the issues he's having with the proper documentation. No need to get touchy.

299 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:58:53am

re: #297 Sergey Romanov

Didn't he, like, deny it already? Or was it another guy?

Yes, he did. But those refusals (a few of them at this point) may be about to become 'inoperative,' as they used to say in the old days.

The Big Money dudes have been whispering in his ear, and I think he might let himself be talked into it. (I could be wrong, but I don't think so.)

300 iossarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:59:15am

re: #295 makeitstop

I'm getting the feeling he's going to throw his hat into the ring.

Not a slam on you for posting this, but I am so tired of the whole "pre-announcement announcement" bullshit. Announce or GTFO is what I say.

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:01:04am

re: #298 JasonA

I was pointing at the issues he's having with the proper documentation. No need to get touchy.

Wasn't getting touchy. And honestly, I was kinda hoping he was gonna be deported.
///

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:02:48am

re: #294 JasonA

Sooo... are you on the side that thinks it's okay to make people have ID to vote?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

303 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:03:58am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Fair enough.

304 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:04:30am

re: #297 Sergey Romanov

He's been denying that he will run, but the pressure from others to get him into the ring has been growing. Everyone apparently from Kissinger to Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan - to say nothing of the money guys who want to see him run because they see the current batch of candidates sorely lacking.

Thing is, Christie would be far to the left of everyone in the race, other than Romney.

305 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:05:02am

re: #300 iossarian

Not a slam on you for posting this, but I am so tired of the whole "pre-announcement announcement" bullshit. Announce or GTFO is what I say.

I hear you.

From the TPM story, he's sent out the word for his big donors to go to Trenton on Thursday to 'stand with him' when he makes his announcement. I don't think he'd be asking them to go there if he was going to refuse to run.

But, yeah. He should quit dancing around it and commit if he's going to run.

306 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:05:27am

re: #294 JasonA

Sooo... are you on the side that thinks it's okay to make people have ID to vote?

Just to ascertain your position. What is the proper procedure for a voter to prove his eligibility?

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:06:05am

re: #306 Sergey Romanov

=should be.

308 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:06:21am

re: #306 Sergey Romanov

Just to ascertain your position. What is the proper procedure for a voter to prove his eligibility?

Breathing

(exception ,, Chicago!!)

//

309 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:06:34am

re: #305 makeitstop

It's funny, it looks like the big contenders are Romney, Christie, and Perry. Christie I don't think will really make the wingnuts happy, calling the threat of shariah absolute nonsense. Romney obviously doesn't do it for them. I don't see anyone they can really get behind other than Perry.

310 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:08:05am

re: #304 lawhawk

He's been denying that he will run, but the pressure from others to get him into the ring has been growing. Everyone apparently from Kissinger to Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan - to say nothing of the money guys who want to see him run because they see the current batch of candidates sorely lacking.

Thing is, Christie would be far to the left of everyone in the race, other than Romney.

You've got to wonder how the Teahadi hard-core would feel about his record. I wonder if they'd let it slide - but past performance says he'd fail their little purity test.

Is it wrong to think that maybe Kissinger and Laura Bush are a little out of touch with what their party has turned into?

311 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:11:25am

re: #309 Obdicut

It's funny, it looks like the big contenders are Romney, Christie, and Perry. Christie I don't think will really make the wingnuts happy, calling the threat of shariah absolute nonsense. Romney obviously doesn't do it for them. I don't see anyone they can really get behind other than Perry.

Are we completely discounting Cain for the nomination?

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:11:55am

re: #309 Obdicut

The nutjobs I know are in love with Cain.

313 Ben Jhazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:12:48am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The nutjobs I know are in love with Cain.

He might not be ahead in the polls, but I think he's going to keep growing on them. Even with this latest race tussle with Perry.

314 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:13:05am

re: #309 Obdicut

It's funny, it looks like the big contenders are Romney, Christie, and Perry. Christie I don't think will really make the wingnuts happy, calling the threat of shariah absolute nonsense. Romney obviously doesn't do it for them. I don't see anyone they can really get behind other than Perry.

Christie has taken a lot of positions that wuold pretty much DQ him from consideration by the Teahadis.

If he does announce that he's running, watch for Mr. 'Plain Spoken governor' to morph into 'Mr. Running Away From His Own Record' in no time flat.

He'll have to toe that Koch-approved line if he wants to sit in the Big Chair.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:15:16am

re: #313 JasonA

There may be an element of "See? I'm not racist! I'll vote for that black guy!" going on.

But I called one of them out on it, and he knew quite a bit of what Cain stands for; his philosophies; etc.

This guy isn't a racist from what I can tell (but he does like NASCAR, so he's suspect).
/

316 iossarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:16:17am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This guy isn't a racist from what I can tell (but he does like NASCAR, so he's suspect).
/

Does he eat grits?

317 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:16:43am

re: #309 Obdicut

It's funny, it looks like the big contenders are Romney, Christie, and Perry. Christie I don't think will really make the wingnuts happy, calling the threat of shariah absolute nonsense. Romney obviously doesn't do it for them. I don't see anyone they can really get behind other than Perry.

From what I'm hearing from my group of "wingnuts", Perry is not doing it for 'em. From my brother-in-law in Dallas:

. . . Perry doesn’t have it in my opinion and there is a good chance he will not win if he gets the nomination.

319 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:18:38am

re: #317 reine.de.tout

From what I'm hearing from my group of "wingnuts", Perry is not doing it for 'em. From my brother-in-law in Dallas:

Quite surprising. Wasn't he considered the Tea Party's Dream Date when he announced?

I don't think anyone can live up to the rigid standards they've set.

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:19:09am

re: #316 iossarian

Does he eat grits?

"Sure I've heard of grits. I just never actually seen a grit before. "
-My Cousin Vinnie

321 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:19:53am

re: #319 makeitstop

Quite surprising. Wasn't he considered the Tea Party's Dream Date when he announced?

I don't think anyone can live up to the rigid standards they've set.

They're just going to flounder aimlessly and end up with Mitt eventually. He's the only one with any chance.

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:21:37am

re: #317 reine.de.tout

Christie has been so vehemently "I'm not running". I'd be disappointed if he did.

I think if he did? He would explain a lot of things, but not run away from any of them. Just a feelin' I have about the guy.

He's the closest thing to the "Honey Badger" (He don't give a shit) I've seen in politics for many years.

I'll be really sad if he lets me down on that.

323 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:21:47am

How's the morning going all?

324 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:22:06am

re: #321 Killgore Trout

They're just going to flounder aimlessly and end up with Mitt eventually. He's the only one with any chance.

You're probably right. I wonder if that means the TP hard-core will stay home rather than vote for the Mormon Dude.

Maybe one of their heroes will pull a Nader and go third-party.

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:23:07am

re: #321 Killgore Trout

In agreeance.

Did you see NJD's poster picture from earlier? You'll love it.

326 Ghazicide  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:23:42am

Being branded a “RINO” and a “warmist” by the close-minded conservative class was the wake-up call I needed. In a weird way, I want to thank the conservatives who condemned my conversion on climate change. They helped me realize that a “warmist” is merely someone who accepts scientific reality instead of denying it—and that a “RINO” is another word for a Republican with an IQ above room temperature.

DR Tucker

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:24:47am

re: #304 lawhawk

Thing is, Christie would be far to the left of everyone in the race, other than Romney.

Would be funny if the TPers were responsible for the election of a moderate.

328 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:25:22am

re: #321 Killgore Trout

They're just going to flounder aimlessly and end up with Mitt eventually. He's the only one with any chance.

I think you're right.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:25:58am

re: #328 reine.de.tout

Hiya, Toots!

330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:27:02am

re: #192 boxhead

There is a huge difference between, not everyone needs or will benefit from a college education, and high school is good enough. Why is education so feared or reviled now? Trades are good jobs as long as the are not filled with illegal immigrants who will drive down pay to the poverty level. My point was that USA NEEDS a whole lot of college educated people in order to compete with the rest of the world. And in doing so, why are these young folks having to enter a soft job market with so much debt? It will be the highly educated that will help turn our trade deficit around. Not Mike Rowe type jobs...

I am really shocked that this is even an issue here.

I think there is a disconnect here. I'm not talking jobs one can do without training and/or experience. What I refer to as Mike Rowe jobs are vital to the nation and are going unfilled because of our perception of the "trades". One can't just walk into a tool shop and start making tools. Tech trades require education and if one has a business degree on top of that -- all the better for the individual and the country's future.

What we don't need are more 2.5 GPA Business Degrees.

331 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:27:10am

My wife showed me this link last night: The 'Million Songs' Dataset.

I'm intrigued, but not sure if I want to download all 280 GB of the data.

332 garhighway  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:27:32am

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Done did. They can't help me. Records are in Richmond only. Takes a month to get it by mail. I gotta go in person.

Where's Orly Taitz when you need her?

This sounds like a job for a dentist/lawyer/realtor!

333 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:27:41am

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

334 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:27:48am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya, Toots!

Hey, FBV!
Your brush with the law has me laughing (sorry).

My father died still owing the state of TN some sort of fine for speeding, LOL.

But I really don't understand the birth cert stuff.

When I went to get my first ever driver's license I had to produce my birth certificate. That was 40+ years ago. Somehow, the state has managed to keep up with that information all these years. How did your state lose yours?

335 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:28:17am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

It's like herpes

The Gift That Keeps On Giving

336 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:28:21am

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In agreeance.

Did you see NJD's poster picture from earlier? You'll love it.

I missed it. got a link?

337 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:28:22am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

mac.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:28:48am

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Nah. It's just a case of "the man" trying to keep me down.

When they see I'm white? They'll calm down.
/

339 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:29:00am

re: #334 reine.de.tout

I went to get my first ever driver's license I had to produce my birth certificate. That was 40+ years ago.

You got your license when you were 4 ???

340 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:29:17am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

I had that problem until I bought a brand new computer.

341 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:29:27am

re: #339 sattv4u2

I went to get my first ever driver's license I had to produce my birth certificate. That was 40+ years ago.

You got your license when you were 4 ???

Awww, satt!
Upding for you.

342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:29:32am

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I missed it. got a link?

#232 up higher...

343 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:29:52am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's the "I am irrelevant but want to be relevant again no matter what I have to say to get there" Roseanne.

As long as she doesn't sing the National Anthem . . . .

344 darthstar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:29:56am

Just got an email from my wingnut family about "HALAL MEAT AT COSTCO!!11ty!" where the originator of the email said he left Costco and went to Wal-Mart to buy his chicken wings without the evil Halal label. Yeah, I prefer tons of antibiotics in my meat...fuck me.

I'm seriously considering starting an internet rumor that President Obama faces Mecca when signing bills, but because of the way the room is set up, the media hasn't noticed the true intent...or maybe I just did.

345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:30:48am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

Funny when an anti-virus becomes a worm, ain't it?

346 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:31:01am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

[Link: www-secure.symantec.com...]

347 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:32:30am

re: #344 darthstar

Just got an email from my wingnut family about "HALAL MEAT AT COSTCO!!11ty!" where the originator of the email said he left Costco and went to Wal-Mart to buy his chicken wings without the evil Halal label. Yeah, I prefer tons of antibiotics in my meat...fuck me.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think Halal has anything to do with chicken feed.

348 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:32:50am

re: #344 darthstar

Just got an email from my wingnut family about "HALAL MEAT AT COSTCO!!11ty!" where the originator of the email said he left Costco and went to Wal-Mart to buy his chicken wings without the evil Halal label. Yeah, I prefer tons of antibiotics in my meat...fuck me.

I'm seriously considering starting an internet rumor that President Obama faces Mecca when signing bills, but because of the way the room is set up, the media hasn't noticed the true intent...or maybe I just did.

Dearborn Walmart has Halal meat.

349 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:33:06am

re: #268 makeitstop

True. Here's McCain's record during his presidential run.

Granted, McCain's voting record isn't exemplary even when he's not running for prez - he's got the worst voting record of anyone in Congress. But at least Obama and Biden seem to have made an effort to show up for some votes.

But maybe if Congress-people run for president, they should resign their seats, at least temporarily. Bachmann's constituents essentially have no one voting for their interests at this point.

Missing all of the votes is inexcusable. Missing some is expected and, to be fair, I could care less if my rep was there to vote on the addition of a person's name to the "best of" or some such recognition. Ever watch C-SPAN, Dick Durbin spents 1/2 the morning nominating people for recognition. Which is important, but doesn't take a a full house or senate to vote on.

350 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:34:26am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Sign from the NYC protest:

HOW I WISH THE MONUMENTS WOULD CRUMBLE, THE CHURCH REDUCED TO ASHES, A SEA OF TEARS WOULD FLOOD THE CITY, & THE ECONOMY WOULD CRASH!!

Some lovely stuff there, thanks for posting that.

351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:36:12am

re: #346 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www-secure.symantec.com...]

I'm afraid to download anything from them. I did just find a symantec remote access program lingering. I'm hoping that was the culprit.

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:38:04am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

How the fuck does Norton antivirus keep reinstalling itself on my computer? I've uninstalled if 3-4 times already and about every 8 weeks it sneaks back in.

Killgore!

Took all three puppies out last night. And there in plain sight (not hiding under the grill) was the resident baby toad. Dogs sniffed it, went about their business and came inside, ignoring it the rest of the time.

I think they've accepted it isn't a threat.

353 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:39:07am

re: #352 ggt

I think they've accepted it isn't a threat

ftfy

354 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:39:27am

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Maybe. Or the problem may be in the defective installation. If deleting that program doesn't help, do try the Removal Tool.

355 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:39:30am

re: #353 sattv4u2

I think they've accepted it isn't a threat

ftfy

good catch!

356 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:40:25am

re: #352 ggt

Killgore!

Took all three puppies out last night. And there in plain sight (not hiding under the grill) was the resident baby toad. Dogs sniffed it, went about their business and came inside, ignoring it the rest of the time.

I think they've accepted it isn't a threat.

Heh. I still have one lonely frog in the soybean patch. He keeps croaking and waiting to hear a response. Hopefully he'll have a few friends before winter sets in.

357 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:40:33am

Nice thing about my mac is that it doesn't seem to have the "forced" software the PC had. Microsoft was very intent on me using a certain search engine and such . . .

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:41:15am

re: #352 ggt

Oh, you have three puppies! So are the Bother Puppy and the Monster Puppy one and the same or not?

359 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:43:27am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Sign from the NYC protest:

HOW I WISH THE MONUMENTS WOULD CRUMBLE, THE CHURCH REDUCED TO ASHES, A SEA OF TEARS WOULD FLOOD THE CITY, & THE ECONOMY WOULD CRASH!!

Take out the church bit and voila; Tea Party.

360 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:44:35am

re: #359 Naso Tang

Take out the church bit and voila; Tea Party.

Substitute "mosque" for "church" and voilá, Tea Party.

361 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:45:44am

re: #360 Alouette

Substitute "mosque" for "church" and voilá, Tea Party.

I wish I had said that.

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:46:53am

re: #358 Sergey Romanov

Oh, you have three puppies! So are the Bother Puppy and the Monster Puppy one and the same or not?

Monster Puppy has been promoted to Bother Puppy, he is 8 months.

Princess Dog is 6 years

Old Man is 8.

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:47:18am

re: #359 Naso Tang

Tea Partiers worship a the feet of monuments (ceptin' the FDR one)...

364 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:48:29am

re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tea Partiers worship a the feet of monuments (ceptin' the FDR one)...

Even the satanistic Statue of Liberty?

365 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:48:54am

re: #364 Naso Tang

Even the satanistic Statue of Liberty?

Stone Mountain.

366 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:49:21am

re: #360 Alouette

Substitute "mosque" for "church" and voilá, Tea Party.

lol

367 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:49:35am

Romney jumps aboard the Heartbeat express

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) told Fox News host Mike Huckabee this weekend that he would support an amendment to his state’s constitution to define life as beginning at conception, which would outlaw abortion and potentially many forms of contraception as well. Noting that the state supreme court forced the inclusion of abortion coverage in Romney’s universal health care law, the GOP presidential front-runner said the only way to undo the decision would be a constitutional amendment. Asked if he would support such a move, Romney replied, “absolutely”

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:49:55am
369 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:51:51am

re: #361 Naso Tang

I wish I had said that.

You will!

/

370 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:52:16am

Why am I getting "linkedIn" invitations from people I totally don't know, at an email address I would totally never use for "professional networking"? Is LinkedIn some kind of spammer's paradise?

371 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:53:06am

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wow. Absolute ban on abortion. Holy crap. They're really trying to go for it?

What reckless idiots.

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:53:16am

re: #370 Alouette

Why am I getting "linkedIn" invitations from people I totally don't know, at an email address I would totally never use for "professional networking"? Is LinkedIn some kind of spammer's paradise?

I'm on Linkedin and never get spam.

373 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:53:26am

re: #370 Alouette

Why am I getting "linkedIn" invitations from people I totally don't know, at an email address I would totally never use for "professional networking"? Is LinkedIn some kind of spammer's paradise?

I've been getting those also

Started innocently with a professional contact I do have

Now ,, I get them from every Tomdickharry

KNOCK IT OFF

AND GET OFF MY LAWN

374 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:54:11am

re: #319 makeitstop

Quite surprising. Wasn't he considered the Tea Party's Dream Date when he announced?

I don't think anyone can live up to the rigid standards they've set.

Except for Ste. Sarah of course...
//

375 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:54:31am

Crazy liberal president speaks out on taxes.

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

STOP OPPRESSING US YOU MUSLIM SOCIA.... wait, it wasn't Obama? You mean that was Saint Reagan?

Never mind then.

376 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:54:32am

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm on Linkedin and never get spam.

Thats because even spammers don't want to talk to you!

377 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:54:52am

re: #362 ggt

Monster Puppy has been promoted to Bother Puppy,

Heh. What's the next degree?

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:55:16am

re: #370 Alouette

Why am I getting "linkedIn" invitations from people I totally don't know, at an email address I would totally never use for "professional networking"? Is LinkedIn some kind of spammer's paradise?

Are you sure it's not some virus spam?

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:55:37am

re: #376 sattv4u2

Thats because even spammers don't want to talk to you!

Hell, I don't even get porn spam anymore!

380 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:56:08am

re: #377 Sergey Romanov

Heh. What's the next degree?

I don't know, we'll see what happens. I never thought he'd graduate from Monster level, but he is growing-up nicely (although slowly). He goes for hunt/field training in few months. I expect he'll return a total gentleman.

381 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:56:31am

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney jumps aboard the Heartbeat express

Serve Mitt up some bamboo shoots with BBQ sauce. Another Giant Panderer has been confirmed. Though I guess the New England version might need to use something else as the main topping.

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:56:52am

Alrighty. Gotta run. BBL.

383 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:56:52am

re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hell, I don't even get porn spam anymore!

Sounds like some sort of expressionist art sculpture.

384 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:56:55am

re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hell, I don't even get porn spam anymore!

Need some?

Just let me check my trenchcoat pockets!

385 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:57:02am

re: #380 ggt

I don't know, we'll see what happens. I never thought he'd graduate from Monster level, but he is growing-up nicely (although slowly). He goes for hunt/field training in few months. I expect he'll return a total gentleman.

[Link: yourethemannowdog.com...]

386 jaunte  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:58:14am

Anyone here from DC? Look around for some light beams up in the sky tonight.

Led by Cindy Jacobs (Generals International and the Reformation Prayer Network) and John Benefiel (Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network), teams of intercessory prayer warriors from the capitals of all 50 states will focus godly sound and light beams over DC for 40 days.
Prayers will be issued 24/7 from 10-03-11 to 11-11-11. 11-11 is significant for those involved in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement, which believes in 7 Mountains Christian dominionist theology. Lou Engle is conducting TheCall in Detroit as an 11-11-11 intercessory prayer gathering to "shake the nation" and convert Muslims to Christianity.
[Link: www.goddiscussion.com...]

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:58:38am

I had to google it.

388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:59:47am

re: #386 jaunte

Anyone here from DC? Look around for some light beams up in the sky tonight.

If they accidently reverse the polarity does that constitute "leaping" shariah instead of "creeping"?

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:00:03am

There is even a Spam-a-Pult.

boyz

390 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:00:43am

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mitt will do absolutely anything to get the evangelical vote, even though few of them will ever get past the whole Mormon thing.

Just look at his numbers in the South back in 2008. He has zero chance of winning these people over no matter what abortion pledges he signs or what sort of batshit talking point he parrots.

391 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:01:14am

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney jumps aboard the Heartbeat express

Inhuman bastard.

Oops, sorry FBV.

392 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:01:38am

re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hell, I don't even get porn spam anymore!

True story, I've started getting hip replacement lawsuit spam emails. I'm only 43!!!

393 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:01:42am

re: #371 Obdicut

Wow. Absolute ban on abortion and birth control. Holy crap. They're really trying to go for it?

What reckless idiots.

FTFY. "Heartbeat" and "Personhood" bills are about far more than just abortion. They want to get rid of birth control too.

394 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:03:13am

Speaking of fake, pandering assholes:

Infomercial Star Don Lapre Found Dead in Jail

395 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:03:40am

re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hell, I don't even get porn spam anymore!

Comcast seems to have a bug that allows people to sign up for me email address. It's usually older folks who sign up for these forwards emailing lists. I usually just delete them or make a mess of their email lists until they unsuscribe me. Lately I've been getting these horribly depressing "updates on mom" about the daily events of somebody's dying mother. Very sad.

396 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:03:59am

re: #378 Sergey Romanov

Are you sure it's not some virus spam?

I just delete it. If it was virus spam McAfee would move it to the "contaminated" bin (I hope that is not expecting too much of McAfee?)

397 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:04:49am

re: #390 Lidane

Mitt will do absolutely anything to get the evangelical vote, even though few of them will ever get past the whole Mormon thing.

Just look at his numbers in the South back in 2008. He has zero chance of winning these people over no matter what abortion pledges he signs or what sort of batshit talking point he parrots.

Going into the 2012 cycle, I had thought Mitt might be the last sane Republican candidate and worth looking at as a GOP nomination. Thats over and done with. Looks like Huntsman fits that bill, not that the TP will let him win anything.

398 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:06:16am

re: #393 Lidane

FTFY. "Heartbeat" and "Personhood" bills are about far more than just abortion. They want to get rid of birth control too.

Guaranteeing the reproductive rights of rapists everywhere.

399 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:06:20am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And even Huntsman is economically cukoo, calling for 0% tax on unearned income. And he's anti-EPA.

I agree he's the best, but the bar is damn low.

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:06:30am

re: #396 Alouette

I just delete it. If it was virus spam McAfee would move it to the "contaminated" bin (I hope that is not expecting too much of McAfee?)

I mean emails with forged headers with links to virus/porn sites. Maybe McAfee is leaky.

401 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:07:35am

re: #399 Obdicut

And even Huntsman is economically cukoo, calling for 0% tax on unearned income. And he's anti-EPA.

I agree he's the best, but the bar is damn low.

Thats the thing about being the top of a steaming pile of horse shit. Its still horseshit.

402 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:07:56am

re: #390 Lidane

Mitt will do absolutely anything to get the evangelical vote, even though few of them will ever get past the whole Mormon thing.

Just look at his numbers in the South back in 2008. He has zero chance of winning these people over no matter what abortion pledges he signs or what sort of batshit talking point he parrots.

That's exactly why I think Christie will have a lot more trouble running than the pundits seem to think.

Hell, Perry was supposed to be The Guy the Teahadis were supposed to line up behind, and they seem to have tossed him over the side already.

Isn't Christie a Catholic? That's nearly as bad as being a Mormon with a lot of TPers. And he's going to have to apologize for or walk back a lot of stuff he's said in the past.

The only candidate who could get in and have the full endorsement of the TP is Palin, as someone mentioned upthread. And I think she realizes that she's not up to the job - it's much more easy and lucrative for her to snipe from the sidelines.

403 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:09:10am

re: #400 Sergey Romanov

I mean emails with forged headers with links to virus/porn sites. Maybe McAfee is leaky.

I never get those, or maybe I do but McAfee deletes them. What virus/porn sites have you visited previously?

404 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:09:15am

re: #402 makeitstop

And he's going to have to apologize for or walk back a lot of stuff he's said in the past.

Well, sure. Same happened to McCain. They still voted for him, IIRC.

405 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:09:15am

re: #402 makeitstop

Isn't Christie a Catholic? That's nearly as bad as being a Mormon with a lot of TPers. And he's going to have to apologize for or walk back a lot of stuff he's said in the past.

I'm just waiting for Bryan Fischer to say the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to Catholics.

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:10:10am

re: #403 Alouette

I never get those, or maybe I do but McAfee deletes them.

Or forged linkedin site to try to sniff out your password.

What virus/porn sites have you visited previously?

I'll email you the list. /

407 Lidane  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:10:17am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Going into the 2012 cycle, I had thought Mitt might be the last sane Republican candidate and worth looking at as a GOP nomination. Thats over and done with. Looks like Huntsman fits that bill, not that the TP will let him win anything.

Huntsman's been the only one worth looking at from the start. Well, at least until he started genuflecting to the teabaggers and wingnuts too. That's when I was disappointed in him.

Thing is, I've always seen him as the best choice for 2016. There's no way that someone who quit his job to work for Obama is going to win in 2012, but he's got a chance to build name recognition between now and 2016.

408 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:13:36am

Here's an interesting one. AS we were discussing the "law" the other day in regards to Al-Alwiki.

Somali Pirate-commits crime of piracy and murder off coast of Afrika and is tried in Federal Court in Virginia--sentenced to prison.

Piracy is a domestic crime?

409 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:13:40am

Romney's got all of McCain's liberalism, and more, plus he's a Mormon, and yet I'm still sure the bulk of Teahadis won't stay home. They'll listen to Rush and the like.

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:14:25am

re: #391 wrenchwench

You'd be surprised how many times the word "bastard" is used on a blog. Not really even noticeable until it's your nic.

I should've gone with my original idea, "Obdicut"; but thought it was a bit on the nerdy side.

411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:16:28am

re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You'd be surprised how many times the word "bastard" is used on a blog. Not really even noticeable until it's your nic.

I should've gone with my original idea, "Obdicut"; but thought it was a bit on the nerdy side.

What percentage of the time is the usage preceded by the word "magnificent"?

:)

412 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:16:59am

re: #408 ggt

Here's an interesting one. AS we were discussing the "law" the other day in regards to Al-Alwiki.

Somali Pirate-commits crime of piracy and murder off coast of Afrika and is tried in Federal Court in Virginia--sentenced to prison.

Piracy is a domestic crime?

Well, if he was tried on the High Seas he'd have been sentenced to Walk the Plank.

413 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:17:34am

re: #369 sattv4u2

You will!

/

No quoting Oscar Wilde here, please.

414 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:19:26am

re: #114 researchok

Maybe I should take the button down.

What do you think?

Your call.

415 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:19:45am

re: #412 Alouette

Well, if he was tried on the High Seas he'd have been sentenced to Walk the Plank.

Strung up from the yardarm would have been more likely. Pirates get hung, their victims get the plank/tossed overboard to be shark food. Maybe he got brought to land and tried there due to a shortage of yardarms in the modern USN. I'm sure the Tea Party will notice and advocate the building of some new wooden frigates. But then going to wind power would be viewed as a liberal socialist thing...

;)

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:20:03am
"The US Congress has set the penalty for piracy as a mandatory life sentence, and we intend to prosecute these cases to demonstrate that anyone who chooses to engage in piracy against US interests will face severe consequences."

I really don't know much about the law regarding Piracy. I guess I thought it was a military matter.

417 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:20:15am

re: #123 RogueOne

Why does it always have to be "white" paint? What's wrong with the other colors?

Because going over something with Antique Colonial Rose paint doesn't have the same ring to it.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:20:54am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

When my wife was a child in post-war Germany, a commandeered building on a base in Nuremberg was used as a PX. A large metal swastika had been removed from the external wall, but left a distinct 'shadow'. A coat of cheap Army White fixed it--for a while.

Sandblasting's good for that.

419 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:21:39am

re: #417 SanFranciscoZionist

Because going over something with Antique Colonial Rose paint doesn't have the same ring to it.

Isn't that what you get when pansy liberals are out for an evening?
/

421 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:22:06am

re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist

Sandblasting's good for that.

But it is bad for worker health.

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:25:37am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Off to the Social Security office and the DMV. Let's hope I don't have to take a hostage.

If I see you on the six o'clock news...um...I'll pray for you and the hostage. Really, I can't think what ELSE I would do.

Unless you think I should call in and offer to negotiate with you over the phone, but I suspect there are people better suited to that.

423 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:27:20am

Personhood Ohio: Pass Personhood Amendment Or Face "God's Wrath"

Earlier we reported that Personhood USA is hoping to place its extrememe personhood amendnt on the 2012 ballot in Ohio, hoping voters there will back the amendment outlawing all abortions along with certain forms of birth control, in-vitro fertilization and the treatment of ectopic pregnancies. The group’s state affiliate, Personhood Ohio, even opposes Janet Porter’s “Heartbeat bill” because it does not go far enough in criminalizing abortion. The group needs over 320,000 valid signatures to place the amendment on the ballot, and is telling Ohioans that the consequences of failure would be devastating, warning, “God’s wrath abides on Ohio for the innocent blood that has been shed in our state”:

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:27:31am

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

I don't know what's worse, the Social Security office or the DMV.

I have the great good fortune to live a couple of blocks from a very small suburban DMV office. I have rarely had to wait for more than ten minutes for anything. It's a perk of the neighborhood, which is otherwise inconvenient as hell.

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:30:05am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

Zombies are infiltrating the Occupy Wall Street protesters!

Wall Street Protesters Dress as Zombies to Greet Workers

OK, now we're just getting weird.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:33:14am

re: #226 000G

Was that always the case, though? It originated mostly from German, AFAIK.

...

I hate that so much contemporary German-Jewish culture in Germany is now just past things like memorials and gravestones plus dealing with Germans' obsessions about Israel. Not enough life, dammit!

Yes, the language was always written in Hebrew letters, despite its German roots. Similarly, Ladino, which is mostly Spanish, was written in Hebrew letters.

428 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:33:16am

re: #344 darthstar

Halal meat doesn't bother me in the slightest and Costco will carry stuff that they think the local community wants in bulk. The one we go to has a full kosher section (kashruth is taking over the world, film at 11 /). But I find it entertaining to see food vendors down near Zuccotti Park that display that they're halal - and the same union guys who have stickers on their helmets saying that they wouldn't build the Park51 mega mosque will side up to grab them shwarma or other food from those vendors. The disconnect is only getting wider.

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:33:24am

re: #426 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann to man who said he'd vote for Charles Manson over Obama: "Thank you for saying that."

Crazy can't get any worse --or can it?

430 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:34:39am

re: #417 SanFranciscoZionist

Because going over something with Antique Colonial Rose paint doesn't have the same ring to it.

Pinkwash?

431 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:35:02am

re: #426 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann to man who said he'd vote for Charles Manson over Obama: "Thank you for saying that."

Ludwig said that he would vote for Manson over any Republican candidate. Actually I think he said he would vote for his dog, his dog's turds, Mussolini and Manson.

432 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:35:42am
433 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:35:55am

re: #407 Lidane

I think that's why some of the GOPers are pushing for Christie to run. They may see Christie's window closing - he might not win reelection in NJ, but has wider appeal outside NJ due to his unfiltered speaking style.

His record wont sit right with the right wingers though (nominating a Muslim judge to the state bench for example) - but they may be willing to overlook that when they see his ability to go after the unions and bring the NJ budget into a more balanced situation structurally. Socons wouldn't support him though, he's far too moderate - but the same things that would disqualify him with the socons are what makes him more electable in the general elections.

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:36:46am

re: #227 Alouette

This song is written with blood and not with pencil
It's no song about a a little bird
But a people, between crushing walls
Sang this song with [something] in their hands

(Repeat of first stanza)

I'm pretty sure this is a Zionist anthem.

"Naganes" is usually translated as 'rifles'--it's from the Mosin-Nagant--although Wikipedia tells me (I know) that it's derived from the Nagant revolver, not the rifle.

"With guns in their hands" is probably close enough.

435 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:38:14am

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

"Naganes" is usually translated as 'rifles'--it's from the Mosin-Nagant--although Wikipedia tells me (I know) that it's derived from the Nagant revolver, not the rifle.

"With guns in their hands" is probably close enough.

Thanks for filling that in. I totally did not know that. I thought the Yiddish word for "guns" is "biksn"

436 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:38:30am

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reminds me that I've got to go and get my annual flu shot. Don't want to get it and possibly pass it on to my nephews. Getting the flu personally would suck, but it's a whole lot worse for the little ones.

And that goes for all the other vaccines out there - they help you defend against getting a particular disease, but they help prevent you from spreading that disease to others (like your elderly or young relatives).

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:39:21am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Roseanne Barr who is supporting the protesters wants bankers beheaded.

Roseanne Barr thinks that the Crucifixion was an attempt to destroy the ancient Goddess religion being practiced in the Second Temple.

She also believes that peace in the Middle East can be achieved by all the Ashkenazim stepping down from positions of authority, because the Sephardim are all tribal and will be able to work with the Arabs indigenous people to indigenous people.

And she believes in the indigo children.

I'm just saying--Roseanne.

438 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:39:27am

re: #436 lawhawk

Reminds me that I've got to go and get my annual flu shot. Don't want to get it and possibly pass it on to my nephews. Getting the flu personally would suck, but it's a whole lot worse for the little ones.

And that goes for all the other vaccines out there - they help you defend against getting a particular disease, but they help prevent you from spreading that disease to others (like your elderly or young relatives).

Why do you hate God's plan?
/

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:40:15am

Rehab for Whacko's

Step 1 -- accept that Barack Obama a Black Man AND that he is POTUS and that you are powerless over these facts.
Step 2 -- come to believe that Barack Obama is not the anti-christ and that his status as a Black man and POTUS is not a sign of the apocalypse.
Step 3 -- come to terms with the Brave New World. Put one foot in front of the other and walk into the future. Ask your personal deity or Gravel for guidance when necessary.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:40:32am

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder if she wants the bankers who are holding her piles of money in their bank vaults beheaded?

I think she hasn't thought ahead to the post-revolution world at all, except to assume that she will be crowned "Great Spiritual Mother Of Us All".

441 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:40:36am

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More parents think it's safer to delay vaccines

The meme that will not go away.

442 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:41:34am

re: #433 lawhawk

I think that's why some of the GOPers are pushing for Christie to run. They may see Christie's window closing - he might not win reelection in NJ, but has wider appeal outside NJ due to his unfiltered speaking style.

His record wont sit right with the right wingers though (nominating a Muslim judge to the state bench for example) - but they may be willing to overlook that when they see his ability to go after the unions and bring the NJ budget into a more balanced situation structurally. Socons wouldn't support him though, he's far too moderate - but the same things that would disqualify him with the socons are what makes him more electable in the general elections.

He appears strong. They want a cowboy (John Wayne -Ronald Reaganesque) presence in the WH. A New Jersey gangster will do in a pinch.

443 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:41:57am

re: #439 ggt

Rehab for Whacko's

Step 3 -- come to terms with the Brave New World. Put one foot in front of the other and walk into the future. Ask your personal deity or Gravel for guidance when necessary.

"Crom!!! Is Obama the wizard who slew my mother? If you don't answer, THEN TO HELL WITH YOU!"

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:42:01am

re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

UPDATE on the "Is FBV a Murikan".

Okay... I'm still mad: but it's my fault. I have to prove I'm American. Take my birth certificate to the DMV. A couple of years ago I got a ticket and couldn't find it to pay it, but knew the county would send me a notice, so I didn't worry about it.

I was sent a notice by the backwards county that was entirely smeared on the carbon and it wasn't legible. The only thing I could read on it? My name and address. How convenient.

Got a notice from the DMV that I had to pay the fine and the DMV fine to get my license re-instated. Did everything online. Followed the directions and everything was fine.

Didn't notice that even (though I was doing everything on-line) that I had still have to go to the DMV with this information. Boy, does this suck.

But, in the end? It's my bad. I knew it was something stupid. Can't believe it took two years for them to find me.

I'm glad it's nothing major.

How did they go from 'outstanding ticket' to 'prove citizenship' though?

445 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:42:50am

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

Roseanne Barr thinks that the Crucifixion was an attempt to destroy the ancient Goddess religion being practiced in the Second Temple.

She also believes that peace in the Middle East can be achieved by all the Ashkenazim stepping down from positions of authority, because the Sephardim are all tribal and will be able to work with the Arabs indigenous people to indigenous people.

And she believes in the indigo children.

I'm just saying--Roseanne.

Can you explain why "The Forward" and other Jewish media outlets were promoting her like she was some new flavor of knish? It was just weird. Page after page of slobbering press release, with no mention of the "Hitler cookies" photo op that she did a year or so ago.

446 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:43:01am

re: #443 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Crom!!! Is Obama the wizard who slew my mother? If you don't answer, THEN TO HELL WITH YOU!"

I've never seen him with a glowing walking staff . . . .

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:43:13am

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Whenever you have to renew your license you have to prove citizenship.

My dumb ass fault... so? There I go.

448 Aye Pod  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:44:54am

re: #426 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann to man who said he'd vote for Charles Manson over Obama: "Thank you for saying that."

"If you feel more affinity for serial killers than you do for Barack Obama, you might be a wingnut."

449 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:45:43am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Service means citizenship, don't you know. /Starship Troopers

450 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:45:54am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whenever you have to renew your license you have to prove citizenship.

My dumb ass fault... so? There I go.

Wait for the new wingnut meme: Obama administration about to pass law that will make your citizenship expire if you don't renew it every 10 years!1!1ty

451 BishopX  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:46:06am

re: #446 ggt

I've never seen him with a glowing walking staff . . .

Image: obama-as-gandalf-at-khazid-dum.jpg

There seem to be images of Obama as the balrog than Obama as Gandalf. Must be all that white/Black imagery.

452 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:46:31am

re: #449 lawhawk

Service means citizenship, don't you know. /Starship Troopers

Giant Bugs aren't the enemy yet - or are they?

Was that Ender's Game?

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:46:45am

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Hey, FBV!
Your brush with the law has me laughing (sorry).

My father died still owing the state of TN some sort of fine for speeding, LOL.

But I really don't understand the birth cert stuff.

When I went to get my first ever driver's license I had to produce my birth certificate. That was 40+ years ago. Somehow, the state has managed to keep up with that information all these years. How did your state lose yours?

My husband's attempt to renew his license was once thwarted when the California DMV asserted that someone else named "CommonAngloGivenName BiblicalMiddleName ScotsEnglishSurname" was wanted for drunk driving with a weapon in the state of Georgia.

Since my husband does not drink, and has not been to Georgia since he was four, we couldn't figure this out (except for my father, who immediately agreed with the DMV that a drunk toddler with a gun driving was bad.)

The worst part was that it took ages to get him cleared--because Georgia had never heard of CommonAngloGivenName BiblicalMiddleName ScotsEnglishSurname, and had no idea what we were talking about.

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:48:12am

re: #450 Alouette

I am mildly inconvenienced at this point. If I think they should send away folks who don't belong here? I should be willing to accept having to keep my ID intact to prove that I do.

455 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:48:14am

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband's attempt to renew his license was once thwarted when the California DMV asserted that someone else named "CommonAngloGivenName BiblicalMiddleName ScotsEnglishSurname" was wanted for drunk driving with a weapon in the state of Georgia.

Since my husband does not drink, and has not been to Georgia since he was four, we couldn't figure this out (except for my father, who immediately agreed with the DMV that a drunk toddler with a gun driving was bad.)

The worst part was that it took ages to get him cleared--because Georgia had never heard of CommonAngloGivenName BiblicalMiddleName ScotsEnglishSurname, and had no idea what we were talking about.

My father once had to convince the draft board that despite their records, he wasn't dead.

456 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:49:31am

re: #455 EmmmieG

My father once had to convince the draft board that despite their records, he wasn't dead.

What an upstanding American! What an "out" for service. "No, don't have to serve, they said I was dead."

LOL

457 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:50:31am

re: #452 ggt

Giant Bugs aren't the enemy yet - or are they?

Was that Ender's Game?

Both.

458 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:50:51am

re: #443 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Crom!!! Is Obama the wizard who slew my mother? If you don't answer, THEN TO HELL WITH YOU!"

Which is better Tau or Nids?

I'm so confused on this.

459 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:50:59am

re: #454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am mildly inconvenienced at this point. If I think they should keep folks who don't belong here? I should be willing to accept having to keep my ID intact.

Do you know what it took for my son to convince the U.S. Consulate that he had been physically present in the U.S. and therefore eligible to claim U.S. citizenship? Not his birth certificate, not his passport, not his driver's license...

His Bar Mitzvah invitation!

I am not making this up.

They kept asking for his "baptism certificate" but they don't give those out at the mikvah.

460 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:52:03am

re: #458 ggt

Which is better Tau or Nids?

I'm so confused on this.

You want shooty or stabby?

461 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:52:12am

re: #459 Alouette

Do you know what it took for my son to convince the U.S. Consulate that he had been physically present in the U.S. and therefore eligible to claim U.S. citizenship? Not his birth certificate, not his passport, not his driver's license...

His Bar Mitzvah invitation!

I am not making this up.

They kept asking for his "baptism certificate" but they don't give those out at the mikvah.

Why not?

/Kidding...

462 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:52:46am

re: #456 ggt

What an upstanding American! What an "out" for service. "No, don't have to serve, they said I was dead."

LOL

In the end, his back kept him out. They were right about the back. He could probably sue my grandmother for providing shoddy goods.

463 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:53:16am

re: #459 Alouette

Do you know what it took for my son to convince the U.S. Consulate that he had been physically present in the U.S. and therefore eligible to claim U.S. citizenship? Not his birth certificate, not his passport, not his driver's license...

His Bar Mitzvah invitation!

I am not making this up.

They kept asking for his "baptism certificate" but they don't give those out at the mikvah.

ROTFLAMO.

To get married in the RC church, I had to request my baptism cert be sent to the church where I was going to get married. The church of baptism won't release it if I had been married before.

"But oldladyworkingtherecordsdeskatsaidchurch I need it to prove citizenship"

I can see it now.

464 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:53:46am

re: #460 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You want shooty or stabby?

Morally better --is there a difference?

465 Ghazicide  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:54:33am

I think I've found the worst POS software ever written: Brady Labelmark software, for creating wire labels in a laser printer.

It's so damn hard to use that I'm still having problems with it months after I started using is. A shitstain of difficulty.

466 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:55:01am

re: #462 EmmmieG

In the end, his back kept him out. They were right about the back. He could probably sue my grandmother for providing shoddy goods.

Alive, but with a bad back --and a certified Citizen to boot!

467 Kragarghazi  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:56:19am

re: #464 ggt

Morally better --is there a difference?

Tau fight for the Greater Good, even if that means herding indigenous populations into sterilization camps for not assimilating into the Tau Empire.

Nids eat you, but its nothing personal.

468 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:56:51am

re: #465 BigPapa

I think I've found the worst POS software ever written: Brady Labelmark software, for creating wire labels in a laser printer.

It's so damn hard to use that I'm still having problems with it months after I started using is. A shitstain of difficulty.

You would be...WRONG!

The worst POS software ever written is the program that I have to maintain and update.

This is karmic payback for the shitty software that I wrote back in '89 which used bit-flipping and all kinds of sneaky tricks on a 2-digit year field, all to save 10's of K!

469 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:57:53am

re: #468 Alouette

You would be...WRONG!

The worst POS software ever written is the program that I have to maintain and update.

This is karmic payback for the shitty software that I wrote back in '89 which used bit-flipping and all kinds of sneaky tricks on a 2-digit year field, all to save 10's of K!

Code so bad the FSM disowned it?

470 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:58:03am

re: #466 ggt

Alive, but with a bad back --and a certified Citizen to boot!

I wonder if they would take a SAR certificate as proof of citizenship. My father would quality for one. He's not particularly interested though, because there's no sci fi involved.

471 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:58:16am

On my own personal rehab front, I've come to accept that Mr. Spock can be in touch with his feelings, but in an alternative universe.

Which means, NOT IN MY WORLD, IN MY LIFETIME.

472 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:58:27am
473 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:59:08am

re: #472 000G

mmmh

Image: qKwob.jpg

I'll take the piece in the middle.

Thank You.

474 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:59:52am

re: #467 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tau fight for the Greater Good, even if that means herding indigenous populations into sterilization camps for not assimilating into the Tau Empire.

Nids eat you, but its nothing personal.

hmmmmm, quite interesting.

475 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:00:02am

re: #472 000G

mmmh

Image: qKwob.jpg

Is this a Satanic pizza, or a Congressional Medal of Honor pizza? Or is it an Eastern star pizza?

476 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:00:24am

re: #475 EmmmieG

Is this a Satanic pizza, or a Congressional Medal of Honor pizza? Or is it an Eastern star pizza?

Who cares, I'm hungry.

:)

477 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:00:56am

I have about a 2 ft pile of shredding to do.

Enjoy the upstairs thread without me for a while.

478 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:01:07am

re: #475 EmmmieG

Is this a Satanic pizza, or a Congressional Medal of Honor pizza? Or is it an Eastern star pizza?

It is Teh Stan's Pizza (star is pointed down)

479 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:02:26am

re: #478 Alouette

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: www.google.com...]

480 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:02:51am

re: #475 EmmmieG

Well, for certain it's no longer Famous Ray's in the West Village. They closed.

481 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:03:08am

re: #475 EmmmieG

Is this a Satanic pizza, or a Congressional Medal of Honor pizza? Or is it an Eastern star pizza?

The first has the anchovies on it, the second you have to die (or nearly so) to order, and the last has the pineapple on it.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:04:28am

re: #435 Alouette

Thanks for filling that in. I totally did not know that. I thought the Yiddish word for "guns" is "biksn"

It probably is--this is more like 'Kalashnikov', something that's so commonly used that the name itself becomes generic.

483 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:05:19am

re: #479 EmmmieG

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: www.google.com...]

So, are Masons Teh Stan or are they Teh Juice? Or at they Teh Satanic Juice?

484 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:06:09am

re: #445 Alouette

Can you explain why "The Forward" and other Jewish media outlets were promoting her like she was some new flavor of knish? It was just weird. Page after page of slobbering press release, with no mention of the "Hitler cookies" photo op that she did a year or so ago.

I can't explain that.

If I had to guess, it would be that there is a general fondness for Jewish celebrities among Jewish media outlets.

Also, the Hitler cookies was for Heeb, right? They get away with shit. It infuriates me, but they do.

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:08:12am

re: #459 Alouette

Do you know what it took for my son to convince the U.S. Consulate that he had been physically present in the U.S. and therefore eligible to claim U.S. citizenship? Not his birth certificate, not his passport, not his driver's license...

His Bar Mitzvah invitation!

I am not making this up.

They kept asking for his "baptism certificate" but they don't give those out at the mikvah.

That's good to know. I think I have some of the invites to my Bat Mitzvah in the back of my scrapbook.

They had silver edging, and I absolutely adored them.

486 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:08:51am

re: #484 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't explain that.

If I had to guess, it would be that there is a general fondness for Jewish celebrities among Jewish media outlets.

Also, the Hitler cookies was for Heeb, right? They get away with shit. It infuriates me, but they do.

Heeb went out of business. Not that I will miss them or anything. Also, why would there be a fondness in Jewish media outlets for desperate, washed up has been former celebrities? That's just pitiful. Especially after getting all outraged and shit about Johnny Galliano and Lars Trier.

487 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:09:06am

re: #483 Alouette

So, are Masons Teh Stan or are they Teh Juice? Or at they Teh Satanic Juice?

Depends on who you ask. Masons think they are influenced by teh juice. Lots of other people think they are teh stan.

Now, personally, I like Jews and I like my masonic Grandfather (based on what people told me about him, and probably that picture of my grandparents kissing when they were in their late 40's--he never saw his 50's--and oh, the way that as he was in the hospital dying, he was reminding his kids to do something for their mother's birthday. I doubt she wanted a big birthday, it was 3 days after he died, but there's the thought.)

488 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:09:56am

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother glued my birth certificate into my baby book. To renew my license, I had to drive to my mother's and pick up my baby book, then schlep the whole thing in with me.

I finally just ordered my own copy.

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:11:48am

re: #486 Alouette

Heeb went out of business. Not that I will miss them or anything. Also, why would there be a fondness in Jewish media outlets for desperate, washed up has been former celebrities? That's just pitiful. Especially after getting all outraged and shit about Johnny Galliano and Lars Trier.

Heeb was a sore spot with me, for several reasons, one of which being that I attended a Young Jewish Leadership conference with the founder, and she was a PITA.

490 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:27:29am

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist

Heeb was a sore spot with me, for several reasons, one of which being that I attended a Young Jewish Leadership conference with the founder, and she was a PITA.

I never paid much attention to Heeb. They were just trying to be "edgy" and shock the 90-year-old communists who read "The Forward"

491 boxhead  Tue, Oct 4, 2011 2:08:20am

re: #330 ggt

I think there is a disconnect here. I'm not talking jobs one can do without training and/or experience. What I refer to as Mike Rowe jobs are vital to the nation and are going unfilled because of our perception of the "trades". One can't just walk into a tool shop and start making tools. Tech trades require education and if one has a business degree on top of that -- all the better for the individual and the country's future.

What we don't need are more 2.5 GPA Business Degrees.

My mistake.... did not know who Mike Rowe was. So what you are talking about is what Germany used to have, and still tries to. High School for all. Then a choice must be made, either trade, or University. For University, the ability must be shown. To go for a trade, one must show ability as well. Trades are very respected in Germany. USA would benefit from such programs. But again I will say, attending either Trade schools or Universities should not result in massive debt. It does not help USA.


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