Andrew Breitbart's Race-Baiting Fake Outrage Du Jour

Andrew Breitbart’s Race-Baiting Fake Outrage Du Jour

Still more race-baiting from the right wing sleaze bag

WingnutsOctober 2011 • Views: 30,728

This morning, Andrew Breitbart is peddling yet another race-baiting fake outrage: » Shock Photos: Candidate Obama Appeared And Marched With New Black Panther Party in 2007 - Big Government.

It’s a classic example of Breitbart’s sleazy smear tactics. Notice that in his whole long overheated screed, Breitbart never actually tells you what this event was about. The headline and story strongly imply that the New Black Panther Party sponsored the event, and were walking hand-in-hand with Obama. The evidence is … one photo of Obama standing at a podium, and one photo of NBPP leader Malik Shabazz at the same podium. At different times.

Very scary angry black radical

Very scary angry black radical

So what was this mysterious and very scary event that the evil leftist media is trying to cover up?

It was a commemoration of the 1965 Voting Rights March and “Bloody Sunday” in Selma, a historic moment in the civil rights movement, and there were at least 10,000 people there, including President Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary. The evil media tried to cover up Obama’s participation by writing dozens of stories about it; for example, this article in little-known publication TIME Magazine: Clintons, Obama Cross Paths in Selma - TIME.

The bridge to voting rights was crossed Sunday by the Democrats’ top two vote seekers. Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama marched over the infamous Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Ala., site of “Bloody Sunday” in 1965, an historic moment in the civil rights battle.

A shirt-sleeved Obama pushed Birmingham civil rights legend Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth along the route in a wheelchair. On the opposite side, Hillary and Bill Clinton linked arms with Al Sharpton and Congressman John Lewis, a civil rights leader who annually organizes the Voting Rights March reenactment.

The two candidates criss-crossed each other all day, but spoke only briefly. They smiled and sang along with the marchers along the path. While the original march in 1965 was met midway on the bridge by law enforcement, who beat the participants, today, all stopped for prayer at the site before crossing the bridge. Selma police estimated a crowd of 10,000 turned out to view and participate in the march.

Strange way to cover something up. But of course, Breitbart isn’t writing for people who care about facts and logic — he’s stoking up the racist rage of the right wing base by relentlessly trying to portray President Obama as an angry black radical who hates white people. And his audience responds like Pavlov’s dogs, with a deluge of whining and complaining that they’re being falsely accused of racism, mixed in with numerous openly racist remarks, conspiracy theories, and bigotry of all kinds. As usual.

He cares about color - he hates white people.

[…]

Don’t forget, Obamao is half whitey! He must really hate himself!!! Does this make him a self-hating Whyte?!!

[…]

America elected the first black supremacist president! What a milestone!

I wonder how much hs black half hates his white half.

[…]

White guilt will get you killed.

[…]

Now, can you imagine our country should Obama be reelected? A gangsta president without any accountability to the American people?

[…]

I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that he’s a member of the Muslim Brotherhood…

[…]

Ok, so we oughtin’ to impeach him, we oughta hang him is what yer sayin’?

Also see

Breitbart Smear: Obama (And Thousands More) ‘Marched With’ New Black Panthers

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204 comments

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:06:54am

They figured if they wrote so many articles about it, people would be overwhelmed and not actually read any of them, thus hiding his involvement.

Fiendishly clever.

Big Steve Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:11:58am

This just makes me weary.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:12:39am

"White guilt will get you killed."

HOW?

Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:13:41am

Strange way to cover something up. But of course, Breitbart isn’t writing for people who care about facts and logic — he’s stoking up the racist rage of the right wing base by relentlessly trying to portray President Obama as an angry black radical who hates white people.

Something only has to be asserted by a wingnut for it to become established truth in the wingnut factmosphere. Other wingnuts will then connect this 'established fact' to other 'facts' of a similar ilk to reveal even more shocking 'realities'. It's happening in the comments there already.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:15:25am

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

"White guilt will get you killed."

HOW?

Thats science. You can't argue with science.
/

recusancy Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:16:34am

OT (not that the topic is really important in the first place):

hehe
"It was not simply a matter of declaring war on terror, it was a matter of being bad at it. I understand why Dick Cheney wants an apology; Obama is the man Cheney thought he was."

Iwouldprefernotto Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:16:41am

Why do I love LGF?

Because this is the only place that I know of that I can call Andrew Breitbart a POS.

Thanks

ps I hate this man not so much for his stupid views, but because he is bad for our (or any) democracy.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:19:51am

This is like something crazy Pam might do, Andrew's either reached the edge, or he's cynically milking the wingnuts for every page hit they are worth, knowing what will draw them like flies. (hint: any old bullshit about Obama will do.)

Kronocide Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:20:59am

re: #7 Iwouldprefernotto

ps I hate this man not so much for his stupid views, but because he is bad for our (or any) democracy.

Understatement. He's a fucking thug with a website that deserves nothing but contempt, and original Brown Shirt Blogger.

Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:24:39am

re: #8 Thanos

This is like something crazy Pam might do, Andrew's either reached the edge, or he's cynically milking the wingnuts for every page hit they are worth, knowing what will draw them like flies. (hint: any old bullshit about Obama will do.)

It's amazingly pathetic. He does seem to be getting more unhinged lately.

Iwouldprefernotto Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:25:28am

re: #9 BigPapa

Understatement. He's a fucking thug with a website that deserves nothing but contempt, and original Brown Shirt Blogger.

True. But on LGF I'm speaking to the converted.

The irony is that Andrew Breitbart is upset that Obama spoke at a rally with many other speakers. Can't wait till someone finds a clip were both Breitbart and a Republican candidate speak.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:25:56am

Using Andrew Breitbart's "logic", this photo proves that Ron Paul endorses and believes everything that the founders of Storm Front do.

Image: 122807-ron_paul_stormfront.jpg

erik_t Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:26:46am

To what extent does the recent set of posts reflect an increasingly mad Breitbart/community and to what extent does it simply reflect increased coverage?

Just curious. From what I see here he seems to be spiraling inward towards the drain quite rapidly indeed.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:29:54am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Using Andrew Breitbart's "logic", this photo proves that Ron Paul endorses and believes everything that the founders of Storm Front do.

Image: 122807-ron_paul_stormfront.jpg

Time to use "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" logic and see who can be tied to Obama, Reagan or even someone like Hitler...

Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:31:54am

re: #10 Charles

O/T
Just a quick thanks and kudos on the tag suggestion feature in Pages. Very helpful.

jaunte Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:32:13am

I see Breitbart is helping J. Christian Adams promote his (Regnery) book-like object.

Tomorrow, J. Christian Adams, the Department of Justice whistleblower in the New Black Panther Party case, will release his new book, Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department (Regnery).

From Media Matters:
Injustice: J. Christian Adams' Last Grasp At Glory

researchok Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:33:20am

re: #9 BigPapa

Understatement. He's a fucking thug with a website that deserves nothing but contempt, and original Brown Shirt Blogger.

Too many words.

He's an evil MFer. No more, no less,

This article was written only to incite.

Lidane Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:34:29am

In before Andrew starts whining about jazzy ponytails on Twitter.

Also, he's a dishonest, racist douchebag.

Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:36:07am

re: #15 Rightwingconspirator

O/T
Just a quick thanks and kudos on the tag suggestion feature in Pages. Very helpful.

Cool new feature, huh? I'll be doing a "Tech Note" post about that today.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:36:15am

As yet, no word on what a jazzy pony tail lair is.

Wait...is this it?

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:36:25am

Wow. Last post first. Neat

researchok Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:36:29am

re: #18 Lidane

In before Andrew starts whining about jazzy ponytails on Twitter.

Also, he's a dishonest, racist douchebag.

Not much we agree on, but on this we are in sync.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:37:19am

re: #20 EmmmieG

As yet, no word on what a jazzy pony tail lair is.

Wait...is this it?

If the teabaggers want to be authentic, they should all have pony tails.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:37:30am

missing buttons

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:38:42am

re: #23 Alouette

If the teabaggers want to be authentic, they should all have pony tails.

Either be bald and wear a wig pony tail, or have one of your own.

BishopX Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:38:45am

re: #14 oaktree

Time to use "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" logic and see who can be tied to Obama, Reagan or even someone like Hitler...

Well lets play the Obama negotiated with Hitler game.

Obama received his dog from Ted Kennedy, whose Brother (John) negotiated with Kruschev who succeeded Stalin who negotiated with Hitler. Hence Obama is a Nazi!

This is too easy.

How about this. Obama clearly supports my plan to abolish the financial system and turn wall street into a giant data center which would be used to optimally allocate captial under sate direction. This is true because he once appeared in a photo with man married to one of my mothers old co-workers. Simple really.

Randall Gross Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:39:03am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Using Andrew Breitbart's "logic", this photo proves that Ron Paul endorses and believes everything that the founders of Storm Front do.

Image: 122807-ron_paul_stormfront.jpg

Or that anyone who attended CPAC is a bircher, when most people reported that JBS was a sponsor and had a booth at CPAC.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:39:29am

Someone snuck this one in:

Indiepalin - October 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
I have a photo of Breitbart standing next to Brevik mentor Pamela Geller.

Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:41:23am

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone snuck this one in:

Indiepalin - October 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
I have a photo of Breitbart standing next to Brevik mentor Pamela Geller.

Breitbart really shouldn't play with boomerangs.
They have a habit of coming back at ya.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:41:35am

re: #26 BishopX

Well lets play the Obama negotiated with Hitler game.

Obama received his dog from Ted Kennedy, whose Brother (John) negotiated with Kruschev who succeeded Stalin who negotiated with Hitler. Hence Obama is a Nazi!

This is too easy.

Anything involving world leaders within a few generations of each other is bound to be.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:41:59am

re: #14 oaktree

Time to use "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" logic and see who can be tied to Obama, Reagan or even someone like Hitler...

Ronald Reagan was in films shot on Kodak cinema stock. Kodak's German branch used concentration camp slave labor. Therefore, Ronald Reagan == Hitler.

BishopX Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:42:34am

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

One World Government !!1!

/ Must I?

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:43:31am

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything involving world leaders within a few generations of each other is bound to be.

Especially with joint statements/conferences such as the UN, G8, or peace treaties involved.

And that's if you strictly limit the connection to "sharing a podium" moments such as used here.

lawhawk Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:44:28am

Hmmm, quick by the back of the napkin calculation puts me 2 degrees from someone like Obama (or any recent President from Ford onwards). A 3d degree puts me with Ted Kennedy. 4th gets me to Joe, 5th with Chamberlain. 6th gets me Hitler (or Stalin).

Heh.. and that's not even trying.

So that means I'm connected to Hitler or Stalin - and everyone else here is one degree further removed. So we've all gone and Godwin'd ourselves. /

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:47:49am

re: #34 lawhawk

Hmmm, quick by the back of the napkin calculation puts me 2 degrees from someone like Obama (or any recent President from Ford onwards). A 3d degree puts me with Ted Kennedy. 4th gets me to Joe, 5th with Chamberlain. 6th gets me Hitler (or Stalin).

Heh.. and that's not even trying.

I suspect that going through the civil rights movement can get you to some odd characters right quickly as well. Obama > Jesse Jackson > MLK > ???

Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:47:54am

re: #34 lawhawk

Hmmm, quick by the back of the napkin calculation puts me 2 degrees from someone like Obama (or any recent President from Ford onwards). A 3d degree puts me with Ted Kennedy. 4th gets me to Joe, 5th with Chamberlain. 6th gets me Hitler (or Stalin).

Heh.. and that's not even trying.

We're all CommieNazis!
/

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:48:09am

re: #34 lawhawk

Hmmm, quick by the back of the napkin calculation puts me 2 degrees from someone like Obama (or any recent President from Ford onwards). A 3d degree puts me with Ted Kennedy. 4th gets me to Joe, 5th with Chamberlain. 6th gets me Hitler (or Stalin).

Heh.. and that's not even trying.

Let me see. A family friend with whom I have appeared at demonstrations worked for Nixon. That gets me to Ted Kennedy...so, yeah, Hitler or Stalin or both in a handful of moves.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:48:27am

re: #33 oaktree

Especially with joint statements/conferences such as the UN, G8, or peace treaties involved.

And that's if you strictly limit the connection to "sharing a podium" moments such as used here.

The President is a Muslim fundamentalist. I have proof.

Obama

Ahmadinejad

Oh shit, its worse than I thought.

Bush

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:49:28am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The President is a Muslim fundamentalist. I have proof.

Obama

Ahmadinejad

Oh shit, its worse than I thought.

Bush

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

To the Templars. Which is were all of them go...

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:52:42am

re: #39 oaktree

To the Templars. Which is were all of them go...

The trail gets fuzzy around 1945. I blame the Masons.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:53:44am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The trail gets fuzzy around 1945. I blame the Masons.

The trail got fuzzy when the heirs of the templars, the masons, buried all that wealth under a church on the East coast, waiting for Nic Cage to come along and discover it.

Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:54:27am

re: #41 EmmmieG

The trail got fuzzy when the heirs of the templars, the masons, buried all that wealth under a church on the East coast, waiting for Nic Cage to come along and discover it.

Too bad I got there first.
:P

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:56:46am

re: #41 EmmmieG

The trail got fuzzy when the heirs of the templars, the masons, buried all that wealth under a church on the East coast, waiting for Nic Cage to come along and discover it.

I thought it was in a bank in the middle of Beverly Hills in somebody else's name.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:58:15am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought it was in a bank in the middle of Beverly Hills in somebody else's name.

The Masonic treasure never got to California, because Charles Carroll died before he could pass the entire message on.

lawhawk Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:58:24am

Uh oh... Koch brothers made illegal sales to Iran by using foreign subsidiaries to get around domestic company restrictions:

Koch Industries, the company controlled by GOP mega-donors Charles and David Koch, sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran in an end-run around a trade ban and cheated the government out of nearly 2 million barrels of oil from federal lands, according to a blockbuster report in the November issue of Bloomberg Markets magazine.

The company has also been involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East, the Bloomberg report says.

It says internal company documents show the company made petrochemical equipment sales to Iran through foreign subsidiaries, thwarting a U.S. trade ban. The company also repeatedly ran afoul of environmental regulations, resulting in five criminal convictions since 1999 in the U.S. and Canada.

Koch Industries units have also rigged prices with competitors and lied to regulators, according to Bloomberg Markets magazine’s investigative report. It took 14 reporters from around the globe six months to put the story together.

The company, the report suggests, is obsessed with secrecy, to the point that it discloses only an approximation of its annual revenue -- $100 billion a year -- and says nothing about its profits.

They can get away with stuff other publicly listed companies can't because they don't have to go through the same kind of public notifications/reporting requirements.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:58:49am

re: #41 EmmmieG

The trail got fuzzy when the heirs of the templars, the masons, buried all that wealth under a church on the East coast, waiting for Nic Cage to come along and discover it.

They buried it underneath the Washington Monument, which is the secret that the weird tattooed dude was trying to discover.

engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:59:17am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought it was in a bank in the middle of Beverly Hills in somebody else's name.

it's under the ce-ment pond in the beverly hillbillies mansion

sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 11:59:47am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The trail gets fuzzy around 1945. I blame the Masons.

Jackie??

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:00:32pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Laws are for little people, not our glorious Galtian overlords.

sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:00:58pm

re: #47 engineer dog

it's under the ce-ment pond in the beverly hillbillies mansion

Calm down, Jethro!
/

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:02:47pm

OT:

Just saw the first clip from the new version of "The Thing".

I knew they were going to fucking ruin it and I was right.

Interesting Times Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:02:47pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Uh oh... Koch brothers made illegal sales to Iran by using foreign subsidiaries to get around domestic company restrictions

Hmmm...I wonder what Chris Christie thinks of that ;)

lawhawk Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:03:42pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Nixon>Khrushchev>Stalin.

A step further gives you Hitler.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:04:38pm

re: #53 lawhawk

Nixon>Khrushchev>Stalin.

A step further gives you Hitler.

What are the requirements for a connection?

sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:05:45pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

What are the requirements for a connection?

death!

Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:06:00pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

What are the requirements for a connection?

We eat!
Hitler ate too!
AHHHH!!
/

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:06:23pm

re: #53 lawhawk

Nixon>Khrushchev>Stalin.

A step further gives you Hitler.

But yes, your version is more elegant, and cuts out Teddy.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:07:29pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

We eat!
Hitler ate too!
AHHH!!
/

Hitler had a heart.

It might not have felt much, but it did pump blood.

We have hearts.

Hopefully ours work better.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:10:16pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT:

Just saw the first clip from the new version of "The Thing".

I knew they were going to fucking ruin it and I was right.

I saw a trailer for the newest implementation of "The Three Musketeers". If the French are quick they should be able to use Dumas' tomb as a power source he'll be spinning so fast.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:14:00pm

re: #59 oaktree

I saw a trailer for the newest implementation of "The Three Musketeers". If the French are quick they should be able to use Dumas' tomb as a power source he'll be spinning so fast.

The clip I just watched, they had a CGI alien explode out of the ice. This is supposed to be "The Thing", where the creature is immensely patient, only exposes itself when it absolutely has to, and hides its true nature as much as possible.

Fucking hell.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:14:08pm

re: #59 oaktree

I saw a trailer for the newest implementation of "The Three Musketeers". If the French are quick they should be able to use Dumas' tomb as a power source he'll be spinning so fast.

All new movies are in 3D now. Is that the only way they can get people into the theater instead of just waiting for the DVD or HD streaming feed to view on the widescreen TV? From what I have read, the 3D HDTV's leave a lot to be desired.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:14:53pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The clip I just watched, they had a CGI alien explode out of the ice. This is supposed to be "The Thing", where the creature is immensely patient, only exposes itself when it absolutely has to, and hides its true nature as much as possible.

Fucking hell.

But that wouldn't be awesome in 3D.

HypnoToad Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:15:19pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

We're all breathing the same air too. Every breath you take has molecules in it that were inhaled by everyone from some farmer in Botswana, to Einstein, to an ancient nameless Australopithecus.

dragonfire1981 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:16:18pm

I've started thinking of Breitbart as a kind of drug dealer with his crazy fans being the "addicts".

They've decided to believe Barack Obama is a scary radical socialist and enemy of America, but for some reason they seem to need continual "fixes" in the form of stories like the one above to maintain that belief.

Breitbart knows he needs to keep the addicts "hooked" so he keeps concocting more and more crazy stories to ensure that happens.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:16:22pm

re: #62 Alouette

But that wouldn't be awesome in 3D.

From the last few 3d movies I've seen, its not that awesome in 3d either.

Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:17:13pm

re: #63 HypnoToad

We're all breathing the same air too. Every breath you take has molecules in it that were inhaled by everyone from some farmer in Botswana, to Einstein, to an ancient nameless Australopithecus.

So....
We're dinos too???
Sweet!
/

wrenchwench Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:17:13pm

re: #19 Charles

Cool new feature, huh? I'll be doing a "Tech Note" post about that today.

I just took a test drive. It is very nice.

What I miss about the old tag system was the way it would drop down a list of the lists of tags I had used in the past. It was more personalized. If I put in "Arizona", I would get lists with either Jan Brewer and others, or Giffords and others, or Shawna Ford and others, and I could choose the appropriate list and then add to and subtract from it.

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:18:43pm

re: #59 oaktree

Did you see the DeCaprio version of "The Man in the Iron Mask?" Execrable.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:19:44pm

I actually met Winston Churchill and shook his hand when he visited my elementary school in Lakenheath in 1955. This puts me just two degrees of separation from almost every major figure of the time, including Stalin. Fortunately, Hitler is one degree further away, since he and Churchill apparently never met.
I know several people who have had fairly extensive dealings with Charles Manson, and one who guarded America's least popular dinner guest, Jeffrey Dahmer, during his trial.

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:20:31pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Namedropper!

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:21:12pm

re: #68 aagcobb

Did you see the DeCaprio version of "The Man in the Iron Mask?" Execrable.

I do think the remake of the Count of Monte Cristo was done quite well.

sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:22:26pm

re: #70 aagcobb

Namedropper!

Shovel Ready Job!!

(hey ,, someone has to scoop up all those names dropped!)

Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:23:12pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do think the remake of the Count of Monte Cristo was done quite well.

Isn't that like, the most most calories ever gathered together into a single sandwich?

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:23:24pm

re: #68 aagcobb

Did you see the DeCaprio version of "The Man in the Iron Mask?" Execrable.

Unfortunately.

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:23:53pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I enjoyed that movie; I'd rather poke my eyes out than watch DeCaprio play an American punk French King again.

sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:24:04pm

re: #73 Alouette

Isn't that like, the most most calories every gathered together into a single sandwich?

maybe

[Link: forums.gametrailers.com...]

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:24:36pm

re: #70 aagcobb

Namedropper!

Otoh, I have never met Lady Gaga and don't know anyone who has. Imagine my disappointment.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:25:08pm

re: #75 aagcobb

I enjoyed that movie; I'd rather poke my eyes out than watch DeCaprio play an American punk French King again.

It was better than that movie where Kirsten Dunst played an American punk French queen. Still sucked, though.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:25:27pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do think the remake of the Count of Monte Cristo was done quite well.

The novel source for that is a bit of a mess. So any theatrical treatment of it would have to pick and choose bits accordingly.

engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:26:51pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The clip I just watched, they had a CGI alien explode out of the ice. This is supposed to be "The Thing", where the creature is immensely patient, only exposes itself when it absolutely has to, and hides its true nature as much as possible.

Fucking hell.

the remake of The Thing a number of years ago was yet another sci fi movie with an alien that ended up being a remake of Alien - the original 1951 The Thing was more interesting. almost all sci fi movies with aliens in the past 30 years have been remakes of Alien. it's a challenge now to portray hostile aliens without remaking Alien

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:26:51pm

re: #78 Alouette

It was better than that movie where Kirsten Dunst played an American punk French queen. Still sucked, though.

I'll make it a point not to watch that one then.

HypnoToad Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:27:30pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

I've met a good number of Science Fiction authors. I'm just a couple of degrees away from hundreds of worlds and cultures...

:-)

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:27:42pm

Wow. There have been a lot of French movies made by Americans that I have skipped.

I did see Monte Cristo.

Skipped the Dunst and DiCaprio films.

Skipped the Disney monstrosity they made out of Hunchback.

prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:27:44pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Churchill knew Unity Mitford quiet well. Unity was good friends with Hitler.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:27:50pm

re: #79 oaktree

The novel source for that is a bit of a mess. So any theatrical treatment of it would have to pick and choose bits accordingly.

True, but they did it quite well, in addition to making Dantes take a more active role in his plots.

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:28:02pm

re: #80 engineer dog

Alien was one damn scary haunted house movie.

prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:29:06pm

re: #83 EmmmieG

Wow. There have been a lot of French movies made by Americans that I have skipped.

I did see Monte Cristo.

Skipped the Dunst and DiCaprio films.

Skipped the Disney monstrosity they made out of Hunchback.

Ratatouille is good.

sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:29:28pm

re: #82 HypnoToad

I've met a good number of Science Fiction authors. I'm just a couple of degrees away from hundreds of worlds and cultures...

:-)

I've been called a spaceshot so I must already be there!!

Interesting Times Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:30:27pm

Oooh...Rick Perry's going to need some cream for this burn:

TheDailyShow The Daily Show
#TDSBreakingNews @GovernorPerry reeling from racist camp name. When they said "NH" would be his undoing, we thought they meant the state.

engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:30:37pm

re: #86 aagcobb

Alien was one damn scary haunted house movie.

Alien itself was great. i think i've watched the first three Alien movies like about four times each

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:31:22pm

re: #87 prairiefire

Ratatouille is good.

Yes, it was, and I saw it.

Maybe we just need to keep American Hollywood stars out.

And any attempt to "lighten" classic stories.

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:31:51pm

re: #80 engineer dog

the remake of The Thing a number of years ago was yet another sci fi movie with an alien that ended up being a remake of Alien - the original 1951 The Thing was more interesting. almost all sci fi movies with aliens in the past 30 years have been remakes of Alien. it's a challenge now to portray hostile aliens without remaking Alien

The 80s "The Thing" was much closer to the original 1938 story than the 50s version.

engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:33:14pm

re: #78 Alouette

It was better than that movie where Kirsten Dunst played an American punk French queen. Still sucked, though.

i liked it, but mostly because i think kirsten dunst is cute

as history, not so good

engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:33:54pm

re: #92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The 80s "The Thing" was much closer to the original 1938 story than the 50s version.

huh

i didn't know there was a 1938 story

HypnoToad Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:34:32pm

re: #90 engineer dog

Alien itself was great. i think i've watched the first three Alien movies like about four times each

The first time I saw it, two people had to leave the theater. The opening credits were creepy in that movie.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:34:40pm

re: #94 engineer dog

huh

i didn't know there was a 1938 story

"Who Goes There" is a true classic.

aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:34:47pm

re: #91 EmmmieG

Yes, it was, and I saw it.

Maybe we just need to keep American Hollywood stars out.

And any attempt to "lighten" classic stories.

However I really like the 70's Musketeer movies; the humor was very dry and cynical.

Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:35:31pm

Well, pile of shredding shredded. Two bags taken to garage.

Desk 1/2 cleared off and wiped-down. File Box sorted.

I hate office work.

How are you-all?

Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:36:09pm

re: #94 engineer dog

huh

i didn't know there was a 1938 story

Who Goes There?

Who Goes There? is a science fiction novella by John W. Campbell, Jr. under the pen name Don A. Stuart, published August 1938 in Astounding Stories. In 1973, the story was voted by the Science Fiction Writers of America as one of the finest science fiction novellas ever written, and published with the other top vote-getters in The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume Two.

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:36:30pm

re: #97 aagcobb

However I really like the 70's Musketeer movies; the humor was very dry and cynical.

IIRC, the screenwriter was the same man that wrote the "Flashman" novels.

Great stuff all through the film in the bit players if you're paying attention. Like listening to what the dwarves say at the ball when Milady stalks past them.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:37:22pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I do think the remake of the Count of Monte Cristo was done quite well.

With Gerard Depardeu?

I thought it was good.

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prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:37:32pm

re: #91 EmmmieG

It looks like they really sexed up the new "Three Musketeers."

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:37:33pm

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

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Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:37:51pm

As long as we're talking movies, you know what franchise really deserves to get rebooted.

Remo Williams.

There, I said it and I stick by it.

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prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:38:46pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

"Insidious"
"Let me In"

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Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:38:54pm

re: #101 ggt

With Gerard Depardeu?

I thought it was good.

No. Jim Caviezel.

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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:39:21pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

Have you watched all the Marx Brothers movies yet?

Priorities!

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:39:43pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

[Link: www.google.com...]

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:01pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

Have you watched all the Marx Brothers movies yet?

Priorities!

Sorry, not today! /

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:06pm

I still think Poltergeist was one of the best.

A little gooey, though. Hitchcock didn't need goo.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:15pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

The Rite with Sir Anthony Hopkins.

Scared the shit out of me. And I don't believe is exorcisms.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:19pm

re: #108 000G

Smartass. :P

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:29pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No. Jim Caviezel.

WHAT?

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Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:35pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

Your search topic produced no hits.

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engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:40:43pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

Sex and the City (2008) gave me lots of horror

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aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:41:36pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

My niece and foreign exchange student thought "Insidious" was very funny.

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Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:42:17pm

re: #113 ggt

WHAT?

Youtube Video

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:42:43pm

re: #113 ggt

WHAT?

Oh, he played Jesus Christ. . .

i was thinking of Jim Carey. Couldn't see him as Monte Cristo.

Better to read the book tho.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:43:28pm

re: #118 ggt

Oh, he played Jesus Christ. . .

i was thinking of Jim Carey. Couldn't see him as Monte Cristo.

Better to read the book tho.

Which one?

Because frankly, the New Testament was way better than the Gibson movie.

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prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:43:42pm

I'm looking forward to Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" with Johnny Depp. Yum.[Link: darkshadows.wikia.com...]

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lawhawk Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:44:19pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Not sure that Black Swan should make the list as a horror flick or as a psycho-thriller, but I finally saw it last night and it's definitely a mind-trip. Portman definitely deserved that Oscar playing the lead ballerina on a production of Swan Lake and you never quite know whether she's all there mentally or not.

Arronofsky's style here is similar to his treatment in the Wrestler. Almost distractingly so.

But watching Portman's character become so unhinged and seeing who and what was pushing her - that's what keeps you sucked in.

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Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:45:21pm

If you're into American history, I recommend "The Conspirator." Based on a very interesting detail of the Abraham Lincoln assassination.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:45:22pm

re: #63 HypnoToad

We're all breathing the same air too. Every breath you take has molecules in it that were inhaled by everyone from some farmer in Botswana, to Einstein, to an ancient nameless Australopithecus.

I'm OK with the Botswana farmer and Einstein, but did the Australopithecus brush its teeth?

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engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:45:37pm

i watched the first 12 hours of Boardwalk Empire in the past two weekends. that was fun

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Digital Display Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:46:23pm

re: #121 lawhawk

I really enjoyed the wrestler..Saw it 3 or 4 times on Cable..

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:46:52pm

re: #84 prairiefire

Churchill knew Unity Mitford quiet well. Unity was good friends with Hitler.

Is that the Mitford girl who killed herself when England went into the war?

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:47:35pm

re: #119 EmmmieG

Which one?

Because frankly, the New Testament was way better than the Gibson movie.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I don't remember if it is Dumas pere or fils

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:47:36pm

re: #87 prairiefire

Ratatouille is good.

Some punk-ass teenager at one of my ex-schools stole my DVD of that. Pity. I rather liked it.

It has some strong Jewish themes, too.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:48:26pm

Has anyone seen "The Troll Hunter"?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:48:48pm

re: #129 Sergey Romanov

(I mean movie, not Charles.)

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Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:49:06pm

I started watching "The Fighter" over the weekend. Could not watch more than 5 minutes before I realized that I really, really do not like boxing movies. Why does Hollywood make so many boxing movies and give them all such rave reviews and awards? It's just two guys (or two girls, in the case of "Million Dollar Baby") pummeling each other.

I hate boxing movies.

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Digital Display Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:49:19pm

Time for the Amanda Knox verdict is here..

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engineer cat Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:49:23pm

re: #129 Sergey Romanov

Has anyone seen "The Troll Hunter"?

yeah - not bad

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:49:47pm

re: #131 Alouette

Agreed. Also - baseball movies.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:50:09pm

Last movie I watched was Thor.

Pretty horrible. Probably good for the Junior High crowd.

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Kragar Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:50:19pm

Actually, one of the coolest horror movies I've seen recently was a Korean movie set in Viet Nam and them sending a patrol in to investigate a radio message from a unit written off as lost.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:50:25pm

This Breitbart line made me roll my eyes the hardest:

The First Amendment allows photographs of such enormous public importance to see the light of day.

I guess invokation of the Constitution is supposed to magically convey to this vapid piece of nothingness spiced with resentment some kind of lofty, higher meaning. The race-baiting masquerading as research didn't quite do, I guess. Andy Wiener-leaker Breitbart pretending that he might not have published the photos if the First Amendment hadn't allowed him to is beyond eyerolling.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:51:02pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

Agreed. Also - baseball movies.

Million Dollar Baby was good tho. Good Script, Acting, Directing and Production.

I put it in a class above "boxing movies".

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:51:13pm

re: #129 Sergey Romanov

Has anyone seen "The Troll Hunter"?

I want to.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:51:47pm

re: #138 ggt

Million Dollar Baby was good tho. Good Script, Acting, Directing and Production.

I put it in a class above "boxing movies".

Oh yeah, that was wonderful.

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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:51:52pm

re: #137 000G

Andy Wiener-leaker Breitbart

Winner.

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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:52:10pm

Updated at 3:48 p.m. ET] A jury has partially overturned the conviction of Amanda Knox.

The jury as overturned the murder conviction but upheld the conviction on the defamation charges.

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:52:27pm

re: #131 Alouette

I started watching "The Fighter" over the weekend. Could not watch more than 5 minutes before I realized that I really, really do not like boxing movies. Why does Hollywood make so many boxing movies and give them all such rave reviews and awards? It's just two guys (or two girls, in the case of "Million Dollar Baby") pummeling each other.

I hate boxing movies.

And we have Jackman doing Rock-em Sock-em robot movie. Which I also suspect from the trailers I've seen is going to miss the main point and twist of the original material (short story) that it is supposedly based on.*

*- A Twilight Zone episode did this one as well.

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prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:53:19pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that the Mitford girl who killed herself when England went into the war?

Yes, she shot herself in the head in a park in Munich. She died about 6 years later.

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BongCrodny Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:54:22pm

I've been having a lot of fun these past couple weeks making my way through the first three seasons of "Breaking Bad" on NetFlix.

I haven't been this hooked on an episode-by-episode serial since the early days of "Lost."

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BishopX Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:54:31pm

re: #129 Sergey Romanov

Has anyone seen "The Troll Hunter"?

I loved it. The whole cinema was cracking up for most of the movie.

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Digital Display Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:54:46pm

re: #138 ggt

Million Dollar Baby was good tho. Good Script, Acting, Directing and Production.

I put it in a class above "boxing movies".

I think the Cinderella man is the best boxing movie ever made.. And it's a true story. His daughter later in life became very famous.. Can't remember who she is...

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ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:55:24pm

re: #144 prairiefire

Which means she saw the fall of the evil regime she loved.

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aagcobb Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:56:59pm

re: #145 BongCrodny

I've been having a lot of fun these past couple weeks making my way through the first three seasons of "Breaking Bad" on NetFlix.

I haven't been this hooked on an episode-by-episode serial since the early days of "Lost."

I just finished watching "House of Cards" on Netflix, and have been meaning to start on "Breaking Bad."

150

Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:57:37pm

The jury has also overturned the murder conviction of Raffaelle Sollecito. Both will be free to leave.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:57:48pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

I think the Cinderella man is the best boxing movie ever made.. And it's a true story. His daughter later in life became very famous.. Can't remember who she is...

His granddaughter is Rosemarie De Witt?

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:58:51pm

re: #127 ggt

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I don't remember if it is Dumas pere or fils

Although I work, and seldom cease,
At Dumas pere and Dumas fils,
Alas, I cannot make me care
For Dumas fils and Dumas pere.

That's Dorothy Parker's take, I rather like Dumas.

I also find the whole back story of his family quite fascinating. Pere's father, and Fils' grandfather was 'Napoleon's black general', also known as 'the black devil'. French-Haitian. Generally kick-ass.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:58:59pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

Million Dollar Baby is based on a true story, too. Fun fact: I know the person it's based on.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 12:59:48pm

re: #153 000G

Do tell.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:00:47pm

I guess it was a TV miniseries, but I saw it on video from Blockbuster years ago.

Has subtitles, but stayed pretty true to the book, as I remembered it.

Acting, etc was wonderful.

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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:01:03pm

re: #84 prairiefire

Churchill knew Unity Mitford quiet well. Unity was good friends with Hitler.

Churchill undoubtedly knew hundreds of people who had met Hitler, and some who knew him pretty well, hence my reference to Hitler being an additional degree of separation from me.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:01:25pm

re: #137 000G

This Breitbart line made me roll my eyes the hardest:

I guess invokation of the Constitution is supposed to magically convey to this vapid piece of nothingness spiced with resentment some kind of lofty, higher meaning. The race-baiting masquerading as research didn't quite do, I guess. Andy Wiener-leaker Breitbart pretending that he might not have published the photos if the First Amendment hadn't allowed him to is beyond eyerolling.

The First Amendment allows you to do many things. Some of them are important, some are unimportant, and some are things you really shouldn't do.

It speaks to the greatness of the Constitution that the First Amendment allows my MIL to send me weird conspiracy theory e-mail about Barack Obama. This does not make the theories true, or less stupid.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:01:47pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Although I work, and seldom cease,
At Dumas pere and Dumas fils,
Alas, I cannot make me care
For Dumas fils and Dumas pere.

That's Dorothy Parker's take, I rather like Dumas.

I also find the whole back story of his family quite fascinating. Pere's father, and Fils' grandfather was 'Napoleon's black general', also known as 'the black devil'. French-Haitian. Generally kick-ass.

One of those little known facts of history that was white-washed for American's. Fils (?) was a black man.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:02:26pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

The First Amendment allows you to do many things. Some of them are important, some are unimportant, and some are things you really shouldn't do.

It speaks to the greatness of the Constitution that the First Amendment allows my MIL to send me weird conspiracy theory e-mail about Barack Obama. This does not make the theories true, or less stupid.

"No law against bad taste". Larry Flynt's one contribution to society.

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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:03:07pm

re: #159 ggt

"No law against bad taste". Larry Flynt's one contribution to society.

And porn.
/

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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:03:38pm

EPA to test air quality after Texas chemical plant fire
OVER REGULATED11!!11

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:03:47pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Although I work, and seldom cease,
At Dumas pere and Dumas fils,
Alas, I cannot make me care
For Dumas fils and Dumas pere.

That's Dorothy Parker's take, I rather like Dumas.

I also find the whole back story of his family quite fascinating. Pere's father, and Fils' grandfather was 'Napoleon's black general', also known as 'the black devil'. French-Haitian. Generally kick-ass.

I was amused when we later had a protest about a local library having 'only the names of white male writers' carved into the facade. Dumas' was the first.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:03:52pm

re: #160 Varek Raith

And porn.
/

or pron!

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BongCrodny Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:05:59pm

re: #149 aagcobb

I just finished watching "House of Cards" on Netflix, and have been meaning to start on "Breaking Bad."

I've read good things about "House of Cards." I don't have anything particularly interesting lined up; maybe I'll check that out next. I confess to not being much of a fan of political thrillers, however.

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makeitstop Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:06:25pm

OWS activist hands Greta Van Susteren's producer his ass.

Youtube Video

Naturally, Fox didn't run the interview.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:06:29pm

re: #158 ggt

One of those little known facts of history that was white-washed for American's. Fils (?) was a black man.

I remember that in "Roll of Thunder Hear My Cry", the father brings books for Christmas, and the older children get Dumas novels, because he'd heard they were written by a black man.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:06:38pm

I haven't had much use for the TV for a while now.

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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:07:22pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

Late to the reply but gotta vote for "Let The Right One In", original Swede version. Good stuff.

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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:07:35pm

re: #167 ggt

I haven't had much use for the TV for a while now.

Yep.
TV stinks.
All the stuff I'd be mildly interested in gets cancelled.

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Alexzander Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:08:29pm

Haven't had a TV in about four years. Finally got my own cell phone after two years of not having one of those either. That was challenging.

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zora Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:09:39pm

re: #131 Alouette

even cinderella man. that one was pretty good, imo.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:10:15pm

re: #170 Alexzander

Haven't had a TV in about four years. Finally got my own cell phone after two years of not having one of those either. That was challenging.

Oh, I'm all into the apple products --just not TV.

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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:10:51pm

re: #172 ggt

Oh, I'm all into the apple products --just not TV.

*HISSES*

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:11:02pm

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Time for the Amanda Knox verdict is here..

Acquitted!

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:11:56pm

Lol oh for eff's sake. Is this supposed to be payback for someone leaking Prick Perry's n*****head family haunt.

Conservatives are out of ideas. The only ones coming out now are the ones directly out of their Id/ass/samething.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:12:06pm

re: #158 ggt

One of those little known facts of history that was white-washed for American's. Fils (?) was a black man.

In wiki I see only one of his [pere's] grandparents being black. If all other ancestors were white, don't see why he should be described as black.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:12:21pm

re: #154 Sergey Romanov

Shot you an e-mail.

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Amory Blaine Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:12:32pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Folks, what are the best horror films of late? (2010/2011)

I Saw The Devil.

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makeitstop Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:14:34pm

~~Herb~~ Herman Cain walks back his criticism of Perry's hunting ranch.

Unbelievable.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:14:49pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

In wiki I see only one of his [pere's] grandparents being black. If all other ancestors were white, don't see why he should be described as black.

Did you forget about this country's one drop rules and blood quantum that defined legal "Blackness"? You shouldn't.

It's one reason so many whites in this country are still so hung up on their supposed purity...one drop could land you on the other side of the tracks...with the Blacks...

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:14:50pm

re: #165 makeitstop

OWS activist hands Greta Van Susteren's producer his ass.

[Video]Naturally, Fox didn't run the interview.

Oh ROFL... magnificent.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:16:30pm

re: #180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I know about those. I don't subscribe to them.

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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:19:24pm

re: #165 makeitstop

OWS activist hands Greta Van Susteren's producer his ass.

[Video]Naturally, Fox didn't run the interview.

We can haz that guy as new White House Press Secretary?

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BongCrodny Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:19:33pm

re: #170 Alexzander

Haven't had a TV in about four years. Finally got my own cell phone after two years of not having one of those either. That was challenging.

Except for "Lost" and now "Fringe," I haven't really watched weekly television in years -- prior to Lost, the last show I watched on a week-to-week was probably "Cheers."

Since getting NetFlix I watch much more TV than I have in 20 years or so.

That's probably not a good thing. I never would have committed the time to watch "Doctor Who" or "Eureka" or "Breaking Bad" -- all of which I've enjoyed -- on a weekly basis.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:20:35pm

re: #179 makeitstop

~~Herb~~ Herman Cain walks back his criticism of Perry's hunting ranch.

Unbelievable.

Ah, Herman...dork. Cat's out of the bag, now...all the whites-first cons who claimed to love him so much now know he's one of those New Black Panther radicals who thinks a place name like n*****head Ranch deserves public critique, tsk-tsk.

Lol I posted some lament from some jackwad decrying the state of the dictionary because "political correctness" has erased such "useful" terms as n*****head - those were the person's words. Nope, it did not come from Breitbart, it was in the comments of the LA Times. [Link: bit.ly...]

(That's not the Louisiana Times, either... // )

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:23:59pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

I know about those. I don't subscribe to them.

You don't, but those laws come from those old who-is-black delineations. They were state imposed, not personally imposed. Much of it is matrifocal and matrilenial.

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Kronocide Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:26:45pm

re: #165 makeitstop

Wow, he was rolling pretty good there.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:28:42pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

In wiki I see only one of his [pere's] grandparents being black. If all other ancestors were white, don't see why he should be described as black.

Because one black grandparent is enough to make you stand out a bit in Revolutionary France?

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:30:48pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Because one black grandparent is enough to make you stand out a bit in Revolutionary France?

Or not. Reminds me of the guidebook I once read which made a great mystery of what happened to London's eighteenth-century black community. (Hint, nearly all of them were men. Marry an English Rose for three generations and there's not much left to see.)

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prairiefire Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:33:55pm

re: #180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I lived in a black neighborhood for about three years. It was an experience of extremes. Extremely courteous, courtly even, manners from most folks. Extreme examples of my house and car being robbed.
I'm really glad I wasn't home for the last house burgle. The guy left puke soaked foot prints all over my family room.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:35:24pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Stand out a bit != black. Most of his immediate ancestors were white. How can he be called a black? Was his son black too?

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Amory Blaine Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:35:50pm

re: #180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Did you forget about this country's one drop rules and blood quantum that defined legal "Blackness"? You shouldn't.

It's one reason so many whites in this country are still so hung up on their supposed purity...one drop could land you on the other side of the tracks...with the Blacks...

We're such an advanced civilization./

Makes me want to puke.

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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:50:30pm

re: #191 Sergey Romanov

Stand out a bit != black. Most of his immediate ancestors were white. How can he be called a black? Was his son black too?

Well, think of it in terms of race of social construct: back in the day hypodescent was a big deal...what you looked like didn't matter, the fact of a blood quantum was a stigma. Shit, the French and Spanish used to chart that stuff out to sixteenth just in terms of the proper terminology--bringing us charming terms as quadroon, octaroon, and hexadecaroon. You can find old ID papers from the US South that use those terms as racial categories--in Iowa you'd be white, in Louisiana you'd be an octaroon. Hell, the category was prominent enough to a meme--The Tragic Octaroon--as well as its own sexual mythology...quarter or less black was enough to be exotic and sexy but not gross and miscegenation. A lot of old New Orleans brothels advertised their prostitute's blood quantum.

So Dumas fils got to experience a lot of social harassment for belonged to a social category that we don't really conceptualize in the terms his peers did.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:58:36pm

re: #193 The Ghost of a Flea

Sure, if it's relative, then he wasn't a black but whatever the antiquated term was, and he's not black by our standards. It's not a black/white issue, metaphorically speaking ;)

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thecommodore Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:06:41pm

Here's a few more choice comments:

Now, can you imagine our country should Obama be reelected? A gangsta president without any accountability to the American people?

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Your not supposed to point out the fact that he his half whyte just like Halle Barry and Vanessa Williams. They also only claim their b1ack side when it suits them.

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the bible says "thou shalt not kill" and a lot of mutts are alive simply because its illegal to kill them?? what if all the crooked mutts wrote these laws to keep their worthless asses protected from harm and certain death,holder is a perfect example of protecting worthless mutts out to harm white folks,and looking the other way when its white victims???remember a law is only a law if you obey it !! keep turning the other cheek will not solve the problem ,it will only get worse,never let a cancer grow??

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The black Panders (PIMPS) feathered with another pimp

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Obama, the Black Elvis.

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thecommodore Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:17:15pm

re: #10 Charles

It's amazingly pathetic. He does seem to be getting more unhinged lately.

Who starts pissing matches with people on Twitter? It's deranged. Not even Limbaugh, Hannity, or Beck do that.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:27:22pm

re: #194 Sergey Romanov

Sure, if it's relative, then he wasn't a black but whatever the antiquated term was, and he's not black by our standards. It's not a black/white issue, metaphorically speaking ;)

Not sure what you mean by "our" standards. Today's standards, especially of whiteness, are every bit as confused and anxiety-ridden over purity as yesteryears'.

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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:31:50pm

re: #194 Sergey Romanov

Sure, if it's relative, then he wasn't a black but whatever the antiquated term was, and he's not black by our standards. It's not a black/white issue, metaphorically speaking ;)

Weeelllll...

This is where the whole "social construction of race" thing makes it tricky: being a whatever-blood-quantum meant you were black enough to be discriminated against. If you behaved properly, people would accept that your white inheritance balanced out all of your savage African passions (old school race=character stuff)...but you could always be socially checked and re-designated black.

So...you were black, but if you behaved yourself you could "rise" to being more white (but never totally white, yadda-yadda African passions). We don't really having a matching racial construct: we've got are/are not/are more than one.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:34:15pm

re: #193 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, think of it in terms of race of social construct: back in the day hypodescent was a big deal...what you looked like didn't matter, the fact of a blood quantum was a stigma. Shit, the French and Spanish used to chart that stuff out to sixteenth just in terms of the proper terminology--bringing us charming terms as quadroon, octaroon, and hexadecaroon. You can find old ID papers from the US South that use those terms as racial categories--in Iowa you'd be white, in Louisiana you'd be an octaroon. Hell, the category was prominent enough to a meme--The Tragic Octaroon--as well as its own sexual mythology...quarter or less black was enough to be exotic and sexy but not gross and miscegenation. A lot of old New Orleans brothels advertised their prostitute's blood quantum.

So Dumas fils got to experience a lot of social harassment for belonged to a social category that we don't really conceptualize in the terms his peers did.

People today still really have no clue what constitutes Black and especially "white" in the USA, mainly because those definitions have never been uniform or codified.

The country's most egregious pro-segregation ruling was against a 7/8 "white"/"octaroon" man.

They put him on the back of the bus. That means to me the back of the bus got crowded pretty quick, but hey, no one ever said the government doling out social privileges based on looks and supposed ancestry ever made any sense.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:36:16pm

re: #198 The Ghost of a Flea

Sure, he wasn't treated completely as a white, but he wasn't a black either. Again, one drop of blood rule made it so that a woman who by all our standards was a white couldn't legally marry a white man. So when such a marriage did happen, since of course there was no way for the man to tell that she had that "drop of blood", the marriage was later dissolved in one of the infamous court cases. She wasn't treated as a white, but it would be absurd to call her black.

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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Mon, Oct 3, 2011 2:55:51pm

re: #200 Sergey Romanov

...but it would be absurd to call her black.

By modern categories of race, yes.
By the archaic school of categories I'm describing, no.

In the case of Dumas fils, his family clout and money meant that other social markers buttressed him against being fully labelled black, so it was never more than an issue of teasing as a child and jibes as an adult. Other folks in a similar position with no backing? Labelled black under the law and had rights/priveledges subsequently taken.

Hence the aforementioned trickiness.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Oct 3, 2011 3:01:31pm

re: #200 Sergey Romanov

Sure, he wasn't treated completely as a white, but he wasn't a black either. Again, one drop of blood rule made it so that a woman who by all our standards was a white couldn't legally marry a white man. So when such a marriage did happen, since of course there was no way for the man to tell that she had that "drop of blood", the marriage was later dissolved in one of the infamous court cases. She wasn't treated as a white, but it would be absurd to call her black.

Welcome to America. /

BTW, these black/white bogus standards were not simply about restricting white women and Black men, they determined legitimacy, which in turn determined which groups of people got social and economic privileges over others. So they were foundational to segregation laws and affected far more than just Black people.

For instance, in California, it was illegal for Asians to marry whites, and Asians were also segregated by race in the schools (anti-Asian marriage laws date back to the 17th century here, as long as Asians have been here. In California it was ) When it came to marriage laws, Latinos were counted as white, thus, Ms. Perez (Latina) could not legally marry Mr. Davis (Black), even though their church had no problem with it.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

At the same time in California, a Latino family successfully argued that because they were not Asian, their children should not have to attend segregated schools.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Perez v Sharp and Mendez v Westminster were precedents to Loving v Virginia (1967) and Brown v Board of Education (1954), both of which overturned states rights segregation laws.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 3, 2011 5:22:15pm

re: #201 The Ghost of a Flea

By modern categories of race, yes.
By the archaic school of categories I'm describing, no.

In the case of Dumas fils, his family clout and money meant that other social markers buttressed him against being fully labelled black, so it was never more than an issue of teasing as a child and jibes as an adult. Other folks in a similar position with no backing? Labelled black under the law and had rights/priveledges subsequently taken.

Hence the aforementioned trickiness.

Yes, but remember, Dumas (es) were in France --things have always been different in France. In some ways, much fairer.

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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:43:32pm

re: #203 ggt

Yes, but remember, Dumas (es) were in France --things have always been different in France. In some ways, much fairer.

eh...(wiggles hand)...not so much.

The French certainly like to paint that picture retrospectively, but then again they kept their colonial black subjects at considerable distance. Rather like the British, while the people of color were out of sight, the racism really didn't coalesce into something hard and ugly very often. In colonial holdings, though, things were brutal and arbitrary, and the racism was very much in tune with the US South. There's a lot of Creole writers who've taken a bat to France's image of benevolent colonial governance. Rather like the Indians of the Raj, the French colonized were at once looked down on for not being French enough, yet when they attempted to assimilate the bar would be moved. Indeed, many elements of Creole culture both in the Caribbean and in New Orleans has to do with that liminal position of not-white-enough versus too-black-is-bad.

In the 19th and early 20th centuries you find a lot of condescending awe of how blacks are closer to the state of nature, admirably unfettered from civilization's dampers on passion, and a whole bunch of other claptrap that basically stripped agency from blacks while granting the sop of "noble savage" status. Some of the crap written in France about black US jazz musicians--it's like the opposite of damnation with faint praise...instead, your held aloft even as your talent is attributed to some vague "black people have earthy primitive rhythm." Similar crap was said about Josephine Baker at the beginning of her French career, though she persevered and assumed control of her own image. [Fantastic lady...she was a French spy in WW2 and a Civil Rights leader!] Not that all this admiration stopped them from being anything short of being horrid to their colonial subjects.

And they're not exactly lovey-dovey to the Algerians and other West African people that have resided in France since WWII. That they're descendants of loyal French subjects displaced by decolonization (in particular, Algerians afraid of ALN) apparently doesn't make them "actually French"...so the bar of assimilation is still being held out.

There's also the rather horrid law they have in place that mandates teaching of only the positive aspects of French colonialism.

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