Christopher: Andrew Breitbart’s Race-Baiting ‘New Black Panther’ Story

Very scary angry black men
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Tommy Christopher has a good piece at Mediaite today on Andrew Breitbart’s race-baiting attempt to tie President Obama to the New Black Panther Party, with a look back at the right’s history of using the NBPP to scare white people: Andrew Breitbart Obama Black Panthers Photobomb.

During the 2008 campaign, reports surfaced that the Obama campaign had posted an endorsement of the candidate, by the NBPP, on its website. But what really happened was that an NBPP member posted a blog in a user-controlled forum (kinda like our comments section), and it was later removed.

In the waning hours of that campaign, the McCain campaign also pushed a story about two NBPP members outside a Philadelphia polling place, who were chased away by police because one of them was holding a nightstick. The group’s leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz, told me the following day that those two members defied his explicit instructions in bringing a weapon to a polling place. He was authentically angry about it, but mainly because of the heat it would bring down on his organization.

That story would become the basis for an overreaching suit by the Bush Justice Department that resulted in default judgments against the two members, and the organization. The Obama DOJ vacated the judgments, citing a lack of legal justification, and obtained an injunction against the man who had carried the nightstick. A politically-stacked Civil Rights Commission took up the case in order to, as one Republican member of the Commission said, “bring�Eric Holder down and really damage the President.”

The whole thing got tick-tock coverage on a number of Fox News programs, and across the conservative web, but very little from the mainstream press, except to debunk it.

Just in time for the 2012 election, however, comes more of this silliness, from Andrew Breitbart himself, and his progressive pal, Lee Stranahan.

The reason why Breitbart and Stranahan are spreading race-baiting lies is clear; it’s a long tradition in the GOP to keep the white voting base as afraid as possible of the scary angry black men:

Breitbart and the zealots behind this smear are trying to create a Black Menace to scare white voters, and tie it to Barack Obama. Now, no one is saying that the NBPP are good people. The NBPP has been designated a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League. They’re very bad people, but their worst offenses are making a lot of vile statements (many of them right to my face), and getting into a shoving match with some reporters. To equate them with a murderous group like the Ku Klux Klan is offensive; to do so in an attempt to race-bait is despicable.

Their membership numbers are unknown, but I would be shocked if it exceeded the low hundreds. Shabazz was consistently evasive with me about the group’s funding, but did reveal that they are not well-funded. At various times, I’ve tried to contact the NBPP headquarters, and gotten disconnect messages. They are not a menace to anyone. Their primary use is to scare white people, which is apparently pretty easy to do, depending on the white person.

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1 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:17:57am

I think I rate being spat on by camels slightly above the threat that the NBPP represents to me.

They're angry little nobodies. They're kind of like the Westborough Baptists, except not quite as lawsuit-savvy.

To nobody but the fearmongers are they actually anything to worry about.

2 Kragar  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:18:15am

Obviously they hide their true level of funding and membership numbers to obfuscate their ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. They're fiendishly clever like that.
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3 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:18:22am

if Breitbart cured cancer, I'd still hate him. Actually. I think he is cancer.

4 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:18:28am

Breitbart race baiting? Oh no, next you'll tell me likes to edit videos to take people out of context.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:19:45am

re: #3 Iwouldprefernotto

if Breitbart cured cancer, I'd still hate him. Actually. I think he is cancer.

No, if he cured cancer, he'd get a lifetime pass.

There's a toddler a few blocks from here that pretty much has a death sentence.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:22:17am

re: #5 EmmmieG

No, if he cured cancer, he'd get a lifetime pass.

There's a toddler a few blocks from here that pretty much has a death sentence.

Sorry for being so literal, but the toddler's face is in my mind.

7 Henchman 25  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:22:17am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Breitbart race baiting? Oh no, next you'll tell me likes to edit videos to take people out of context.

Brietbart wouldn't cure cancer because that would actually require compassion for others.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:22:51am

re: #7 SteelPH

Brietbart wouldn't cure cancer because that would actually require compassion for others.

And a degree in science and a research lab.

Now, the good scientists at the Huntsman Cancer center might make some headway.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:22:53am

LATimes on the shooter: [Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:23:55am

re: #7 SteelPH

Brietbart wouldn't cure cancer because that would actually require compassion for others.

Yeah his whole life is about ruining the lives of others. A sad existence for a sad man.

11 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:24:54am
That’s how conspiracy theoriesBreitbart works: they are He is logic-proof.

Works both ways.

12 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:27:00am

I must confess I haven't met many angry black people. Most of my coworkers are black and they are some of the best people I have ever worked for. I can't say I have ever really found a black man scary, with the possible exception of Mike Tyson.

13 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:28:24am

Remember this story? For me this was what started it all and really exposed the race baiting "fear of the darkies taking us over" phenomenon

Link

A McCain campaign volunteer made up a story of being robbed, pinned to the ground and having the letter "B" scratched on her face in what she had said was a politically inspired attack, police said Friday.

Ashley Todd, 20-year-old college student from College Station, Texas, admitted Friday that the story was false, said Maurita Bryant, the assistant chief of the police department's investigations division. Todd was charged with making a false report to police, and Bryant said police doubted her story from the start.

14 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:32:49am

re: #13 mr.fusion

Remember this story? For me this was what started it all and really exposed the race baiting "fear of the darkies taking us over" phenomenon

Link

They kind of got a clue when the "B" was scratched into her forehead BACKWARDS.

EPIC FAIL.

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:33:21am

re: #7 SteelPH

Brietbart wouldn't cure cancer because that would actually require compassion for others.

Cancer is simply cells attempting to practice free-market capitalism in spite of the regulations and jack-booted white blood cells of the governing body.
// ;)

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:35:17am

re: #14 Alouette

They kind of got a clue when the "B" was scratched into her forehead BACKWARDS.

EPIC FAIL.

The part that really makes me both chuckle and wince is that she has to carry it for life.

No chance to learn wisdom and leave the past behind.

17 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:36:23am

re: #12 dragonfire1981

I must confess I haven't met many angry black people. Most of my coworkers are black and they are some of the best people I have ever worked for. I can't say I have ever really found a black man scary, with the possible exception of Mike Tyson.

This is one of the benefits of being a numerical minority. We have a lot more experience with the majority than they have with us.

That's one of the reasons so few of us are afraid of even majoritarian-supremacists, though they are of us.

It keeps them at a knowledge deficit, though it does not have to.

18 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:37:44am

re: #13 mr.fusion

Remember this story? For me this was what started it all and really exposed the race baiting "fear of the darkies taking us over" phenomenon

Link

People are so easily exploited by cranks like that. A lot of people believed her, just like they believed in that bogus Shirley Sherrod story.

So stupid.

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:39:24am

re: #16 EmmmieG

The part that really makes me both chuckle and wince is that she has to carry it for life.

No chance to learn wisdom and leave the past behind.

And I somehow doubt that if she met a stranger socially and was asked about the scar the story she related would be the truth of the matter.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:40:03am

re: #19 oaktree

And I somehow doubt that if she met a stranger socially and was asked about the scar the story she related would be the truth of the matter.

Yes, but a "B" on your forehead would be hard to explain.

Maybe she wears bangs.

21 Kragar  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:41:57am

re: #20 EmmmieG

Yes, but a "B" on your forehead would be hard to explain.

Maybe she wears bangs.

I was in Vegas covering a cross country motorbike event when a crazed Samoan lawyer broke into my hotel room after I passed out from an all night ether binge.

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:42:10am

re: #20 EmmmieG

Yes, but a "B" on your forehead would be hard to explain.

Maybe she wears bangs.

I would expect an explanation of a sorority initiation thing gone wrong would be more likely than "I did it to myself in a misguided attempt to affect an election by a fraudulent assault claim."

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:43:33am

re: #22 oaktree

I would expect an explanation of a sorority initiation thing gone wrong would be more likely than "I did it to myself in a misguided attempt to affect an election by a fraudulent assault claim."

Especially since it reeks of a certain amount of mental illness.

24 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:47:58am

Occupy The Fed Movement Launched: Alex Jones Plays Newscaster

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:48:27am

Relevant to OSW/antisemitism issue:

[Link: occupywallst.org...]

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:50:19am

re: #23 EmmmieG

Especially since it reeks of a certain amount of mental illness.

Yes, does start to drift towards the whole self-harm phenomena.

27 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:51:57am

re: #14 Alouette

They kind of got a clue when the "B" was scratched into her forehead BACKWARDS.

EPIC FAIL.

I thought it was on her cheek. Also, did she actually carve it into her skin or was it all makeup?

28 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:52:33am

I agree with the race baiting premise of the article. I do disagree however with Charles remark,

i...t’s a long tradition in the GOP to keep the white voting base as afraid as possible of the scary angry black men

That sad reality has been exploited by both political parties.

Bull Connor was a Democrat as was George Wallace of 'block the schoolhouse doors' fame. There are legions of other examples.

No clean political hands when it comes to race politics.

29 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:52:37am

The thing that is so amazing about this story (Obama hearts the NBPP) is how it's ONLY bouncing around this right wing echo chamber. It's so clearly BS that NOONE is reporting it other than right wing blogs.....I don't think it's been on FOX (not even Fox & Friends), and I haven't even seen it reported on MSNBC as an attempt to debunk it. It just bounces around from blog to blog all in an attempt to work hordes of diabetic mall walkers into a frothy state of contempt and fear..........

.....all to get a few more clicks on their websites. Just pathetic

30 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:52:56am

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

Relevant to OSW/antisemitism issue:

[Link: occupywallst.org...]

The comments are a treasure trove:

There is nothing anti semitic about pointing out the fact that Israel has too much power in our government, pointing out that they are carrying out a long term protracted genocide against the palestinians, pointing out that their assorted control mechanisms and games are part of the elites over all con scam against the people.

they have everything to do with US politics. US is in essence a pwn for the crown and israel and that explains pretty much everything US government does that otherwise makes no sense.

rarara......I'm very sorry but this " tactic " of labelling everything as being anti-Semitism no longer works since a former Israeli minister has already " spilled the beans "

i will be happy to talk qaballah with your rabis as soon as you all stop killing palestinians and robbing their land and pretending like its everybody else whos doing wrong while your knives are dripping with the blood of innocents. Until you; israel, stop your war crimes, you are every bit as bad and maybe worse than Nazi Germany. Any takers from the great thought police or paid Israeli trolls who want to go to town on this one can feel free to step up to bat here and now. Or we can all walk away from this and understand the truth. This is not about the USA foreign policy. this is an internal dispute between the citizens of the USA and its rogue government and rogue economic system. Dear Earth. USA is experiencing technical difficulties,. sorry.. we are doing all we can to get it back in order.. please help and stay on the line.

not at all. Wake up and take a real look. Israel is an evil fascist nation carrying out a slow motion genocide. It has so much power in America that no public servant dares to speak against it. It consistantly defies and breaks UN security council resolutions and can be called quite absolutely and exactly a fascist and evil rogue state which chronically breaks international laws. I'm not at all holding back here because THIS is the internet. I know the truth. These are not truths to try to share shouting on a street corner.

31 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:53:38am

re: #28 researchok

Bull Connor was a Democrat as was George Wallace of 'block the schoolhouse doors' fame. There are legions of other examples.

None of whom would be Democrats now, because the two parties switched during the Civil Rights Movement.

32 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:54:16am

Question to the Brietbart-parroters, especially to Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air, who posed the question as to whether Republican leaders would share the stage with individuals having white supremacist movement ties:

Does David Duke count? (granted this was pre-recorded video, but still played at the rallies)

Or Ted Nugent?

Or J. T. Ready?

33 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:54:17am

re: #28 researchok

Seriously, you of all people?

34 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:54:35am

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

Relevant to OSW/antisemitism issue:

[Link: occupywallst.org...]

Top comment....

There is nothing anti semitic about pointing out the fact that Israel has too much power in our government, pointing out that they are carrying out a long term protracted genocide against the palestinians, pointing out that their assorted control mechanisms and games are part of the elites over all con scam against the people.

35 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:54:50am

re: #30 000G

The comments are a treasure trove:

Although, that guy mobius1ski there gives me some hope:

Sure, lots of Jews work in finance. Lots of other Jews think they're dicks. That's why this Jew is organizing a Shabbat solidarity potluck tonight at OWS. [Link: openetherpad.org...]

I strongly recommend that everyone read "The Past Didn't Go Anywhere: Making Resistance to Anti-Semitism Part of All Our Movements" [Link: pinteleyid.com...]

Also: Jews were forced into financial trades by antisemites who wouldn't let them hold jobs in other trades. Go read page 56 of this book [Link: www.amazon.com...] the entry on "Banker, Jewish." The fact that Jews are still demonized to this day for having a hand in banking is just age old persecution running its course. Anyone who tries to justify it is guilty of antisemitism, no matter how right they think they are.

36 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:55:38am

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

Looks like a fight between the rational and the anti-semites.

Sigh. We're really not that cool. I have no idea why people are obsessed with us. Why not be obsessed with Armenians?

37 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:55:54am

re: #35 000G

continued:

This image right here basically says, "Hey Jewish New Yorkers who aren't anti-Zionists and don't identify with the message of cutting foreign aid to Israel: This protest is not for you and you are not welcome here." Image: end_aid_to_israel.jpg

I have already seen Jewish people who have gone to show solidarity posting messages on Facebook saying they don't feel welcome because there is a strong anti-Israel message connected to the demonstrations.

I am an anti-occupation activist. I totally get that Israel is committing human rights abuses and that the U.S. is helping to pay for it. However, that has nothing to do with opposing corporate personhood (which was what the message of the protests was decided to be from the mass-Facebook vote) or in holding Wall Street bankers accountable for their corruption.

If you want this to succeed as a popular movement, it means you have to tell the anti-Zionists to put their off-topic signs away or to go home. Otherwise, the Jews, the evangelicals, and anyone else who just so happens to disagree with the Ron Paul and/or the pro-Palestine crowd – incidentally the majority of Americans [Link: www.gallup.com...] – will never join you.

38 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:55:59am

re: #27 Lidane

I thought it was on her cheek. Also, did she actually carve it into her skin or was it all makeup?

Yeah, I thought it was done with a Sharpie.

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:56:00am

re: #28 researchok

Please... Wallace? Please.

40 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:56:25am

re: #31 Lidane

None of whom would be Democrats now, because the two parties switched during the Civil Rights Movement.

In some ways, that's true. However, it is also true the greatest resistance to civil rights legislation came from Democrats.

I would agree from the late 60's thru the mid 70's, the Dems did reinvent themselves, to their great credit. The transformation was difficult and contentious but they did it. One of the great Dem achievements.

41 BishopX  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:56:34am

re: #30 000G

Later on the same guy posted this:

gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 6 days ago

I'm designing an arcology based on the tree of life. anybody want to talk turkey and something interesting or is this only some sort of argument echo chamber?

Seems like a nutter to me.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:56:50am
i will be happy to talk qaballah with your rabis as soon as you all stop killing palestinians and robbing their land and pretending like its everybody else whos doing wrong while your knives are dripping with the blood of innocents. Until you; israel, stop your war crimes, you are every bit as bad and maybe worse than Nazi Germany. Any takers from the great thought police or paid Israeli trolls who want to go to town on this one can feel free to step up to bat here and now. Or we can all walk away from this and understand the truth. This is not about the USA foreign policy. this is an internal dispute between the citizens of the USA and its rogue government and rogue economic system. Dear Earth. USA is experiencing technical difficulties,. sorry.. we are doing all we can to get it back in order.. please help and stay on the line.

Lovely

43 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:56:50am

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Top comment...

A reply to top comment:

How did you even come to these topics -- which have nothing to do with US politics -- if you weren´t obsessed with jews.

44 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:57:27am

re: #40 researchok

In some ways, that's true. However, it is also true the greatest resistance to civil rights legislation came from Democrats.

Sure. The same Dixiecrats that are now the Republican base, thanks to decades of race-baiting and the Southern Strategy.

45 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:57:36am

re: #36 Obdicut

Looks like a fight between the rational and the anti-semites.

Sigh. We're really not that cool. I have no idea why people are obsessed with us. Why not be obsessed with Armenians?

There are people obsessed with Armenians. Bad example ;)

46 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:57:47am

re: #39 Sergey Romanov

Please... Wallace? Please.

Wallace was a very popular Democrat in the south. He had enough support from a base to make a presidential run.

Wallace too, changed his ways and beliefs but that came later on.

47 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:57:50am

re: #40 researchok

Great. So why the hell would you bring it up?

It's been a long tradition in the GOP to race-bait. They've been doing it for decades.

That's 'long'.

48 BishopX  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:58:17am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Do note that gawdoftruth is in CA (I.E. he's not actually part of the OWS protest).

49 erik_t  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:59:09am

re: #40 researchok

In some ways, that's true. However, it is also true the greatest resistance to civil rights legislation came from Democrats.

I would agree from the late 60's thru the mid 70's, the Dems did reinvent themselves, to their great credit. The transformation was difficult and contentious but they did it. One of the great Dem achievements.

'Reinvent'? Few minds were changed, few personal positions reconsidered. The riffraff was tossed out and found a home elsewhere.

50 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:59:13am

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

There are people obsessed with Armenians. Bad example ;)

Yeah. Lotsa bigots in California, too.

51 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:59:27am

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

There are people obsessed with Armenians. Bad example ;)

I know, but that tends to be a local, specific obsession from people with actual contact with Armenians. I'm not saying their obsession is justified, but the obsession many people have with Jews, without any real knowledge of Jews, is just weird to me.

I'm obsessed with Armenians, but only because every great tailor I've ever had has been Armenian.

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 11:59:59am

re: #46 researchok

Wallace was a very popular Democrat in the south. He had enough support from a base to make a presidential run.

Wallace too, changed his ways and beliefs but that came later on.

Yeah, now bring up the KKK. Sorry, but whatever was before The Switch is rather irrelevant to today's discussions. The Dems were conservatives when they were racists.

53 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:00:02pm

re: #44 Lidane

Robert Byrd was no Republican.

Look, it's not a simple matter. My point was and remains that for a long time both parties played the race game.

There is no need to rewrite history. It was what it was.

54 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:00:35pm
Scout 1 points 7 days ago

with all due respect and with all the effort I can to make this statement as nonconfrontational as possible, the public has every right to be outraged at the owners of the US Federal reserve and unfortunately the vast majority of this highly corrupt institution is owned by people from one particular country.
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rarara 0 points 7 days ago

Thanks for providing exhibit 1 for a collection of anti-semitic statements: The charge that the US Federal Reserve is owned by Israelis or by Jews.
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riethc 1 points 7 days ago

rarara, so you know, your witch hunt makes you suspect. I was there when we chased out a guy with a sign that said "Jewish Bankers", but I was also there when we included a guy who held a sign that said "Zionist Pigs".
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rarara 1 points 7 days ago

Yes, it is a "witchhunt" for asking how the anti-oppression principle included in the Occupy Wall Street "Declaration of Principles" should be applied in cases of anti-jewish prejudice.
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riethc 1 points 6 days ago

Like I said before, you are suspect.
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rarara 1 points 6 days ago

I am shaking in my boots.
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55 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:01:51pm

yay for pushback:

Scout 0 points 7 days ago

look into who was involved in setting up the Federal Reserve in 1913.

Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin (Rothschild and world economy) Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York Lehman Brothers Bank of New York Goldman Sachs Bank of New York Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (Controlled By the Rockefeller Family Tree)

Unless Rothschild, Lazard, Sieff, Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb, Lehman, Goldman, Sachs, and Rockefeller are Norwegian or some such other unlikely nationality, I'd say that, yes, they are owned by Jews.
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mobius1ski 1 points 5 days ago

Actually Scout, that's an outright lie perpetuated by bona fide antisemites. [Link: www.adl.org...]
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Scout 1 points 5 days ago

Actually Mobuis I would have greater belief in fairies at the bottom of my garden than what the Anti-Defamation League attempts to say on this issue.

[Link: www.freeworldfilmworks.com...]
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mobius1ski 1 points 5 days ago

neo-nazi infiltrator. follow your leader. Image: 1209846839_f.jpg
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Scout 1 points 5 days ago

you or anybody can't prove whether it's an outright lie or not because it is such a highly secretive organisation and I wonder why?
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rarara 1 points 7 days ago

Scout, did you copy and paste this from a neo-nazi website, or is this your own brilliant post?
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Scout 1 points 6 days ago

yes
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56 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:02:03pm

re: #53 researchok

Robert Byrd was no Republican..

Oh lord. Now we're trotting out Byrd's corpse?

The fact of the matter is, the Democrats USED to be conservatives. They also used to have their fair share of bigots, especially here in the South. Damn near all of those bigots and conservatives have switched sides to the Republican party over the last 40 years due to the constant race-baiting and paranoia that the right specializes in.

57 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:02:27pm

re: #53 researchok

What does that have to do with the current situation, or the GOP for the past twenty-plus years.

Seriously, dude-- you're acting like this is the first time that the "Democrats used ta be da racists!" meme has been brought up at LGF.

I mean, you even pulled a Byrd.

58 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:02:36pm

re: #48 BishopX

Do note that gawdoftruth is in CA (I.E. he's not actually part of the OWS protest).

The facebook page he links to lists OWS as one of his various left wing causes.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

The LA solidaridty protests seem to be mainly run by ANSWER so he fits the profile quite well.

59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:02:42pm

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

Relevant to OSW/antisemitism issue:

[Link: occupywallst.org...]

I don't think it's that hard if you know the difference between antisemitism and legitimate criticism.

"Israel is committing human rights abuses." = Not antisemitism.

Yes it is Antisemitism if you never also say "Syria, Libya, Sudan, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Iran, China, etc. etc. is committing human rights abuses and if you count "Jews building houses and raising families" and "Jews manufacturing cosmetics from Dead Sea minerals" as "human rights abuses"

"Israel is filled with inhuman evil Jews." = Antisemitism.

"Jews are overrepresented in financial trades and behave in a way inconsistent with the tenets of their faith." = Not antisemitism.

Yes it is Antisemitism to suggest that there should be ethnic quotas in any particular trade or profession, and also to to speak of "Jews" acting in a certain way. Anyway who the fuck are you to say what is and is not consistent with the tenets of our faith? (these same types like to point to the "Neturei Karta" as some kind of righteous rabbis)

"Evil greedy Jewish bankers run Washington, Wall Street and the world!" = Antisemitism.

But they just said, in the previous statement, that it was Not Antisemitism.

That entire thread is Fox Nation level DERP.

60 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:02:57pm

re: #46 researchok

Wallace was a very popular Democrat in the south. He had enough support from a base to make a presidential run.

Wallace too, changed his ways and beliefs but that came later on.

What political party's ticket was George Wallace's presidential candidacy on?

Hint: It wasn't the Democratic Party.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:03:06pm

re: #53 researchok

Robert Byrd was no Republican.

Look, it's not a simple matter. My point was and remains that for a long time both parties played the race game.

There is no need to rewrite history. It was what it was.

What's the point in bringing up that point? It's like saying, "Well, LGF used to be anti-Muslim, so...". What matters is the current situation. The party label is relative. It doesn't matter a whit that Lincoln was a Republican, for example, since for all intents and purposes it was a different party.

62 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:03:20pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Great. So why the hell would you bring it up?

It's been a long tradition in the GOP to race-bait. They've been doing it for decades.

That's 'long'.

LOL- you make it sound as if the practice of Dem race baiting never happened.

It wasn't the GOP that wanted to block the Civil Rights Act.

And I brought it up because if you want to have an honest discussion about race and politics, well, let's keep it honest.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:04:02pm

re: #57 Obdicut

Flipped the Byrd.

64 jaunte  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:04:38pm

re: #55 000G

A quick Google search on 'Scout's first paragraph turns up this from the ADL:

In his recent book Called to Serve, Col. James "Bo" Gritz, the 1992 Presidential candidate of the extremist Populist Party, charged that "eight Jewish families control the FED" (Federal Reserve System).

[Link: www.adl.org...]

65 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:04:45pm

re: #57 Obdicut

What does that have to do with the current situation, or the GOP for the past twenty-plus years.

Seriously, dude-- you're acting like this is the first time that the "Democrats used ta be da racists!" meme has been brought up at LGF.

I mean, you even pulled a Byrd.

You're right Obdi.

There never were legions of Dems who played the race card.

66 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:05:28pm

re: #62 researchok

LOL- you make it sound as if the practice of Dem race baiting never happened.

No, I don't. Democrats used to be the the conservative, race-baiting party. That's absolutely true.

What does that matter?

What is the relevance of that to the modern day GOP and Democrats?

Does it matter today that Lincoln was a Republican?

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:05:53pm

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

There are people obsessed with Armenians. Bad example ;)

Being obsessed with the Kardashians does not mean being obsessed with Armenians who are not the Kardashians.

68 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:06:02pm

re: #62 researchok

Nobody is saying that the Democrats never did it. What we're saying is that they haven't done it in 40+ years, since all the Dixiecrat bigots left the party and switched sides.

In the meantime, the GOP has spent the last 40+ years overtly race-baiting, particularly with the Southern Strategy.

Stop trying to pretend there's any balance here. The same people who were the bigots in one party are now the bigots in the other party. IT'S THE SAME CROWD. Same redneck bigots, different letter after their name.

69 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:06:14pm

re: #61 Sergey Romanov

What's the point in bringing up that point? It's like saying, "Well, LGF used to be anti-Muslim, so...". What matters is the current situation. The party label is relative. It doesn't matter a whit that Lincoln was a Republican, for example, since for all intents and purposes it was a different party.

Very different.

CJ will openly discuss the previous incarnations of LGF, the history, the changes and the evolution of the blog.

70 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:06:43pm

re: #65 researchok

You're right Obdi.

There never were legions of Dems who played the race card.

There were. There were legions of them.

And nothing I have ever said has denied that.

But what is the relevance to the modern day?

71 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:06:54pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Looks like a fight between the rational and the anti-semites.

Sigh. We're really not that cool. I have no idea why people are obsessed with us. Why not be obsessed with Armenians?

Dreidels.

72 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:08:07pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea

Dreidels.

I'm Sephardic.

73 Kragar  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:09:09pm

re: #70 Obdicut

There were. There were legions of them.

And nothing I have ever said has denied that.

But what is the relevance to the modern day?

Sins of the father I guess.

74 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:09:28pm

re: #68 Lidane

Nobody is saying that the Democrats never did it. What we're saying is that they haven't done it in 40+ years, since all the Dixiecrat bigots left the party and switched sides.

In the meantime, the GOP has spent the last 40+ years overtly race-baiting, particularly with the Southern Strategy.

Stop trying to pretend there's any balance here. The same people who were the bigots in one party are now the bigots in the other party. IT'S THE SAME CROWD. Same redneck bigots, different letter after their name.

I agree with your remarks- all of them. They are cogent, pointed and put history in perspective.

However, I was not discussing balance nor did I even attempt to introduce the idea.

My remarks were pointed at the reality that race baiting, gerrymandering, etc were exploited by both political parties for a long time.

75 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:09:47pm

re: #69 researchok

Very different.

CJ will openly discuss the previous incarnations of LGF, the history, the changes and the evolution of the blog.

And everyone here is doing the same with the Democrats and the GOP. Everyone here is acknowledging that the Democrats used to be the conservative, racist party, until the CRA, when the southern Democrats-- the "Dixiecrats" by and large switched parties to the GOP. The Southern Strategy was put into play, a conscious, admitted attempt by the GOP to use racial fears to garner political power.

Everyone knows this. Nobody is denying it. So why are you pretending anyone is?

76 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:09:55pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Looks like a fight between the rational and the anti-semites.

Sigh. We're really not that cool. I have no idea why people are obsessed with us. Why not be obsessed with Armenians?

Latkes. We're coming for the latkes.

77 leftynyc  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:10:01pm

re: #40 researchok

In some ways, that's true. However, it is also true the greatest resistance to civil rights legislation came from Democrats.

I would agree from the late 60's thru the mid 70's, the Dems did reinvent themselves, to their great credit. The transformation was difficult and contentious but they did it. One of the great Dem achievements.

It wasn't hard once the bigots became republicans.

78 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:11:33pm

re: #69 researchok

Very different.

CJ will openly discuss the previous incarnations of LGF, teh history, the changes and the evolution of the blog.

It is not f'n relevant to the matters at hand. Like when LGF members point out bigotry on conservative blogs, it is a deliberate distraction to pull up old LGF posts and comments (like, e.g., Breitbart tried to do).

Nobody ever denied that there was a party called a "Democratic party" that was viciously conservative and racist.

For all intents and purposes of today it was a different party. Its history is irrelevant when people point out the modern Republican race-baiting. Saying "Well, Dems used to be racist too" is to engage in demagoguery.

79 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:11:57pm

re: #72 Obdicut

I'm Sephardic.

I was being completely flippant. I apologize if I've made a telling generalization.

(seriously--I made a statement about a culture I don't know that much about and I admittedly do not know if attributing an Ashkenazi practice to Sephardim is impolite.)

80 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:12:04pm

re: #60 RadicalModerate

I should modify that question of mine a bit to read "What political party's ticket was George Wallace's 1968 presidential candidacy on?"

He did run as a Democrat in 1964 (pre-Civil Rights split of the party) and in 1976, after his attempted assassination and after his complete 180 on his views on race.

81 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:12:35pm

re: #75 Obdicut

And everyone here is doing the same with the Democrats and the GOP. Everyone here is acknowledging that the Democrats used to be the conservative, racist party, until the CRA, when the southern Democrats-- the "Dixiecrats" by and large switched parties to the GOP. The Southern Strategy was put into play, a conscious, admitted attempt by the GOP to use racial fears to garner political power.

Everyone knows this. Nobody is denying it. So why are you pretending anyone is?

Nice that your response is now more deliberate and less visceral.

And please tell me when I was 'pretending'.

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:12:41pm

re: #67 Alouette

Being obsessed with the Kardashians does not mean being obsessed with Armenians who are not the Kardashians.

I apologize for the links to the hate sites:

[Link: www.vho.org...]

[Link: www.vho.org...]

83 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:13:04pm

re: #74 researchok

My remarks were pointed at the reality that race baiting, gerrymandering, etc were exploited by both political parties for a long time.

Exploited to reach the exact same group of people. That's the point.

The southern bigots that the Dems catered to during the Jim Crow days are the same bigots that the GOP now considers their base. White, evangelical, fundamentalist, etc. Same group, different name. 40+ years ago, they were the Dixiecrats. Now they're the Tea Party.

84 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:13:36pm

re: #78 Sergey Romanov

It is not f'n relevant to the matters at hand. Like when LGF members point out bigotry on conservative blogs, it is a deliberate distraction to pull up old LGF posts and comments (like, e.g., Breitbart tried to do).

Did I ever do that Sergey?

85 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:13:51pm

re: #79 The Ghost of a Flea

I was being completely flippant. I apologize if I've made a telling generalization.

Oh, no apology necessary. Sephardim don't really do the whole dreidel thing. We've got some other minor differences in culture, but thanks to that ol' Inquisition thing, as well as our tendency to be more exogamous, Sephardic culture took a backseat to Ashkenazic, especially in US and European minds, a long time ago.

If you're doing anything significant in the Jewish community it's probably good to know the difference, but otherwise at worst Moroccan Jews will say "What?" when you make a dreidel joke.

86 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:14:33pm

re: #83 Lidane

Exploited to reach the exact same group of people. That's the point.

The southern bigots that the Dems catered to during the Jim Crow days are the same bigots that the GOP now considers their base. White, evangelical, fundamentalist, etc. Same group, different name. 40+ years ago, they were the Dixiecrats. Now they're the Tea Party.

I'd have to agree with most of that.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:15:43pm

re: #84 researchok

Yes, you did the analogous thing with your "both parties engaged in race-baiting". They did, in different eras, and it was actually mostly done by the same people switching labels.

88 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:16:10pm

re: #81 researchok

Nice that your response is now more deliberate and less visceral.

And please tell me when I was 'pretending'.

When you said:

re: #62 researchok

LOL- you make it sound as if the practice of Dem race baiting never happened.
.

Which was a fabrication out of nothing.

89 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:17:15pm

re: #62 researchok

It wasn't the GOP that wanted to block the Civil Rights Act.

Why do the actual vote percentages not back up your claim?

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

Why did Strom Thurmond become a Republican after his filibuster failed? Why didn't Byrd love blacks enough to rape his underage maid like Thurmond did. Byrd hated blacks so much that he publicly apologized for his membership in the Klan and renounced the organization, whereas Thurmond loved his half-black daughter so much he died without publicly admitting she was his child.

90 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:17:20pm

re: #85 Obdicut

Oh, no apology necessary. Sephardim don't really do the whole dreidel thing. We've got some other minor differences in culture, but thanks to that ol' Inquisition thing, as well as our tendency to be more exogamous, Sephardic culture took a backseat to Ashkenazic, especially in US and European minds, a long time ago.

If you're doing anything significant in the Jewish community it's probably good to know the difference, but otherwise at worst Moroccan Jews will say "What?" when you make a dreidel joke.

They are called "sivivon" for non-Ashkenazi.

91 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:17:34pm

re: #28 researchok

I agree with the race baiting premise of the article. I do disagree however with Charles remark,


That sad reality has been exploited by both political parties.

Bull Connor was a Democrat as was George Wallace of 'block the schoolhouse doors' fame. There are legions of other examples.

No clean political hands when it comes to race politics.

Your post is a clear invocation of the MBF. The last sentence clearly implies that the current Democratic Party is just as unclean as the current GOP, when the reality is most of the racists became Republicans and the current Democratic Party mostly has clean hands.

92 iossarian  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:19:07pm

Chalk this up as the biggest non-surprise of the week:

Firms cut jobs during last "tax holiday"

93 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:19:11pm

re: #87 Sergey Romanov

Yes, you did the analogous thing with your "both parties engaged in race-baiting". They did, in different eras, and it was actually mostly done by the same people switching labels.

In some cases, yes, but by no means exclusively so.

Plenty of Dems from that era remained Dems and conversely, plenty of Republicans hopped on the racist bandwagon, looking to exploit the political vacuum left by the changed Dems

94 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:20:30pm

re: #85 Obdicut

Oh, no apology necessary. Sephardim don't really do the whole dreidel thing. We've got some other minor differences in culture, but thanks to that ol' Inquisition thing, as well as our tendency to be more exogamous, Sephardic culture took a backseat to Ashkenazic, especially in US and European minds, a long time ago.

If you're doing anything significant in the Jewish community it's probably good to know the difference, but otherwise at worst Moroccan Jews will say "What?" when you make a dreidel joke.

Thanks.

My family is multicultural to the point of parody, and I know how I flinch when someone makes a generalization. So I tend to err on the side of delicacy. Also, the internets are famously poor at communication richness, and misunderstandings are rife.

95 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:20:44pm

I'll have to update the dreidel/sivivon collection at the Zionist Mall. I'll wait until after the current holidays are over.

96 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:21:16pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Why do the actual vote percentages not back up your claim?

Why did Strom Thurmond become a Republican after his filibuster failed? Why didn't Byrd love blacks enough to rape his underage maid like Thurmond did. Byrd hated blacks so much that he publicly apologized for his membership in the Klan and renounced the organization, whereas Thurmond loved his half-black daughter so much he died without publicly admitting she was his child.

Three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80 percent of the nay vote on the bill in the Senate came from the Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate Leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr., father of future Vice President Al Gore.

Was Thurmond a member of the Klan as well?

97 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:21:30pm

re: #90 Alouette

Yeah, I just meant they more aren't a big tradition with Sephards. Though I'm always uncertain how much of the difference in the importance of hannukah between Sephards and Ashkenazi is actually original and how much came from hannukah being around the same time as Christmas. Do you know?

98 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:22:32pm

re: #85 Obdicut

Oh, no apology necessary. Sephardim don't really do the whole dreidel thing. We've got some other minor differences in culture, but thanks to that ol' Inquisition thing, as well as our tendency to be more exogamous, Sephardic culture took a backseat to Ashkenazic, especially in US and European minds, a long time ago.

Sephardim definitely have better food!

99 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:22:38pm

re: #96 researchok

I really cannot believe that an intelligent person like yourself is launching this hare-brained argument yet again.

100 windsagio  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:23:18pm

I wish I had a store to pimp :(

101 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:23:23pm

Update: Terrible news about the shooting in California...

A third person has died, according to Sheriff Laurie Smith

102 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:23:35pm

re: #98 Alouette

Sephardim definitely have better food!

Well, along the spice routes, better access to olive oil so we were able to keep the old cooking traditions alive, it's no wonder. I really do prefer Sephardic latkes.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:23:41pm

re: #93 researchok

Remained until what time? I do remember reading that RSM, for example, had a Clinton-Gore sticker on his bumper in 1990s - the echoes of the Civil War, of course. Hard to believe, yes. But he, along with the South, is solidly Republican now. The transformation is pretty much complete.

104 windsagio  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:25:04pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

And I came in late, but has anybody mentioned that it's a transformation the GOP actively and aggressively sought?

They wanted the retrograde racist vote, its easily motivated and loyal.

105 blueraven  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:25:27pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Why do the actual vote percentages not back up your claim?

Why did Strom Thurmond become a Republican after his filibuster failed? Why didn't Byrd love blacks enough to rape his underage maid like Thurmond did. Byrd hated blacks so much that he publicly apologized for his membership in the Klan and renounced the organization, whereas Thurmond loved his half-black daughter so much he died without publicly admitting she was his child.

Facts and stuff... pfft
No fair!

106 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:25:29pm

re: #96 researchok

Three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80 percent of the nay vote on the bill in the Senate came from the Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate Leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr., father of future Vice President Al Gore.

Was Thurmond a member of the Klan as well?

Talk about guilt by association, how old was Al Gore when his dad opposed the voting rights act?

107 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:26:32pm

re: #97 Obdicut

Yeah, I just meant they more aren't a big tradition with Sephards. Though I'm always uncertain how much of the difference in the importance of hannukah between Sephards and Ashkenazi is actually original and how much came from hannukah being around the same time as Christmas. Do you know?

Sephardi Hanukkah treats.

There is a very large Sephardi community in Seattle, and they are very meticulous about keeping their own traditions.

I'm sure you are probably aware that the first Jewish communities in the U.S. were all established by Sephardim.

108 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:26:50pm

re: #99 Obdicut

I really cannot believe that an intelligent person like yourself is launching this hare-brained argument yet again.

Again? When was the first time I brought this up?

In any event, perhaps a more substantive conversation about the history of American political parties can be had at a later date.

It is a pity that isn't happening now. In fact, I would have enjoyed that kind of discussion with you.

It is a pity identity politics is so deeply ingrained all around.

109 iossarian  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:27:50pm

I'm never sure what the point of the "Southern Democrats were racists" argument is. It's a historical fact, sure.

It simply doesn't have any bearing on the current political situation though. If you want the things I outlined this morning (civil rights for minorities, abortion rights protection, social justice, investment in infrastructure etc.) then you are much better off voting Democratic than Republican.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:28:03pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Well, along the spice routes, better access to olive oil so we were able to keep the old cooking traditions alive, it's no wonder. I really do prefer Sephardic latkes.

Bourekas!

Oh, now I absolutely have to make bourekas for Sukkot. I'll make stuffed cabbage as usual, but use more cumin.

111 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:28:17pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Remained until what time? I do remember reading that RSM, for example, had a Clinton-Gore sticker on his bumper in 1990s - the echoes of the Civil War, of course. Hard to believe, yes. But he, along with the South, is solidly Republican now. The transformation is pretty much complete.

I would say lots of the Southern states have flipped between the Dems and GOP on a regular basis.

112 recusancy  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:28:22pm

re: #32 RadicalModerate

Question to the Brietbart-parroters, especially to Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air, who posed the question as to whether Republican leaders would share the stage with individuals having white supremacist movement ties:

Does David Duke count? (granted this was pre-recorded video, but still played at the rallies)

Or Ted Nugent?

Or J. T. Ready?

Or Hank Williams Jr.

113 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:29:15pm

re: #106 aagcobb

Talk about guilt by association, how old was Al Gore when his dad opposed the voting rights act?

The point was that Gore Sr kept his seat fro a long time.

114 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:29:29pm

re: #106 aagcobb

Talk about guilt by association, how old was Al Gore when his dad opposed the voting rights act?

He was 16-----just starting to fiddle with the internet but he hadn't invented CO2 yet.

115 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:30:09pm

re: #108 researchok

I'm not saying that you launched it before. I'm saying that "The Democrats used ta be the racists" is an old, tired, argument that everyone here has seen before. We all know this. Nobody here is ignorant of it. It has no bearing, none, on the current situation, except to show that the GOP's race-baiting was a deliberate political strategy.

In any event, perhaps a more substantive conversation about the history of American political parties can be had at a later date.

Sorry for denying you a threadjack.

It is a pity identity politics is so deeply ingrained all around.

Oh come off it. You're not being attacked because of identity politics. The GOP has been race-baiting, consciously, as a political strategy, for decades. The fact that the Democrats used to be a very different party is a historically interesting fact, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That's why I can't believe you're bringing it up. It's like you intentionally misunderstood what Charles meant by 'long' just so you could drag out Byrd again.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:30:14pm

re: #108 researchok

BTW, I was, um, heated for a few minutes there. If anything I wrote was disrespectful, I apologize. We won't agree on this topic, but here's a *handshake* ;)

117 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:31:46pm

re: #107 Alouette

Yeah, my ancestors are a mix of crypto-Jews, conversos, and marranos who first got out here in the 1600s.

118 laZardo  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:32:03pm

...did I come in at a bad time?

119 blueraven  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:32:25pm

re: #113 researchok

The point was that Gore Sr kept his seat fro a long time.

Really? that was the point?

Tennessee Senator Albert Gore, Sr., father of future Vice President Al Gore.

As if we dont know who Gore Sr is. LOL

120 windsagio  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:32:47pm

should have read up, this really started with the Byrdie?

lol.

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:33:23pm

re: #117 Obdicut

Yeah, my ancestors are a mix of crypto-Jews, conversos, and marranos who first got out here in the 1600s.

That's fascinating. Do you have a family tree established, BTW?

122 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:34:12pm

re: #116 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I was, um, heated for a few minutes there. If anything I wrote was disrespectful, I apologize. We won't agree on this topic, but here's a *handshake* ;)

Sergey, I recall our first exchanges. I was a bit heated myself!

I'd say we're pretty much past that.

Also, to be equitqble, I must credit Obdi with moderating those exchanges.

I also want to be nice to Obdi because he grinds/makes his own burgers and I want an invite.

123 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:35:15pm

GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain had a simple message for the Wall Street protesters.

"Don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks, if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself

people who are out of work should blame themselves for 9% unemployment?

do the members of the republican party think that tea party people are in favor of the wall st bailout and big banks?

124 windsagio  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:37:44pm

oh random factoid:

Everybody's favorite place, Bank of America, is laying off 30,000 people.

125 researchok  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:38:03pm

re: #115 Obdicut

I'm not saying that you launched it before. I'm saying that "The Democrats used ta be the racists" is an old, tired, argument that everyone here has seen before. We all know this. Nobody here is ignorant of it. It has no bearing, none, on the current situation, except to show that the GOP's race-baiting was a deliberate political strategy.

Sorry for denying you a threadjack.

Oh come off it. You're not being attacked because of identity politics. The GOP has been race-baiting, consciously, as a political strategy, for decades. The fact that the Democrats used to be a very different party is a historically interesting fact, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That's why I can't believe you're bringing it up. It's like you intentionally misunderstood what Charles meant by 'long' just so you could drag out Byrd again.

Right. I wanted to bring up Robert Byrd.

Uh, no.

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:41:57pm

Arguing the CRA vote splits along Republican-Democratic lines is sort of hilarious when you compare to the split along Northern State - Southern State lines. Which is the better correlation to the voting behavior?

Not to mention that arguing about 40+ year-old party politics is funny unto itself. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up that Woodrow Wilson was a racist as well and thus his taint has carried down over a century.

127 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:42:26pm

re: #124 windsagio

oh random factoid:

Everybody's favorite place, Bank of America, is laying off 30,000 people.

Well in all fairness the banking sectors profits have slipped from $28.9B to a mere $28.8B in the second 3 months of this year. I mean the makers can't prop up the takers forever for that pittance

Link

Quarterly profits for the U.S. banking system have been rising, compared with a year earlier, since the first quarter of 2010. But in this year's second quarter they slipped to $28.8 billion from $28.9 billion in the first quarter, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

128 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:43:55pm

re: #96 researchok

Was Thurmond a member of the Klan as well?

It's weird the way you cling to this like nothing could possibly put the past in perspective. Yes Byrd was in the Klan, but he abjectly apologized, moved on and stayed in the Democratic Party as the Party shifted its position on race. Byrd evolved with the Party. Thurmond on the other hand saw which way the wind was blowing after his failed epic 24 hour filibuster and jumped ship to become a Republican. Do you really think Thurmond, who was so proud of his black child that he died at the age of 100 without ever publicly disclosing her existence, became a Republican because they were less conducive to his ironclad views on race? You're trying to freeze time and paint an incredibly simplistic, uninformative still picture that both sides are equally bad on race, ignoring the fact that history plays out as a movie, with evolving plot lines and actual character development.

129 windsagio  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:45:32pm

re: #127 mr.fusion

Well in all fairness the banking sectors profits have slipped from $28.9B to a mere $28.8B in the second 3 months of this year. I mean the makers can't prop up the takers forever for that pittance

Your text to link...

see?! They NEED to cut tens of thousands of jobs and add a ton of new account balance, real person, and debit fees!!!

130 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:47:52pm

re: #129 windsagio

see?! They NEED to cut tens of thousands of jobs and add a ton of new account balance, real person, and debit fees!!!

And lobbyists......don't forget about all those lobbyists they have to keep paying to fight reform

131 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 12:58:15pm

re: #123 engineer dog

GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain had a simple message for the Wall Street protesters.

"Don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks, if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself

people who are out of work should blame themselves for 9% unemployment?

do the members of the republican party think that tea party people are in favor of the wall st bailout and big banks?

Haha, pretty bold:

132 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 1:01:20pm

re: #13 mr.fusion

Wouldn't it have been smarter and easier if she had carved an "O" in her face?
//
DUH!!!

133 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 1:10:58pm

re: #131 000G

Haha, pretty bold:

[Video]

"yes the banks had something to do with it in 2008, but now we're in 2011!"

yes, i murdered my wife in 2008, but now it's 2011!

134 Lidane  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 1:20:28pm

re: #124 windsagio

oh random factoid:

Everybody's favorite place, Bank of America, is laying off 30,000 people.

Screw BofA. As soon as I get a chance I'm switching banks because they're going to start charging fees on debit card transactions.

135 TedStriker  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 3:05:06pm

re: #14 Alouette

They kind of got a clue when the "B" was scratched into her forehead BACKWARDS.

EPIC FAIL.

re: #16 EmmmieG

The part that really makes me both chuckle and wince is that she has to carry it for life.

No chance to learn wisdom and leave the past behind.

I'm sorry, but stupid SHOULD hurt, because you can't fix it.

136 avanti  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 4:52:59pm

Steve Jobs is dead, breaking.

137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 4:58:18pm

re: #36 Obdicut

We're really not that cool. I have no idea why people are obsessed with us. Why not be obsessed with Armenians?

Hey, I can relate. See thread title for more.

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 5, 2011 4:59:29pm

re: #68 Lidane

Nobody is saying that the Democrats never did it. What we're saying is that they haven't done it in 40+ years, since all the Dixiecrat bigots left the party and switched sides.

In the meantime, the GOP has spent the last 40+ years overtly race-baiting, particularly with the Southern Strategy.

Stop trying to pretend there's any balance here. The same people who were the bigots in one party are now the bigots in the other party. IT'S THE SAME CROWD. Same redneck bigots, different letter after their name.

I can't believe we still have to even have this idiotic conversation with sentient adults, cripes.


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