Here’s the live video feed of the Values Voter Hatefest in Washington DC, featuring a who’s who of religious fanatics rubbing shoulders with Republican politicians, right wing pundits, and wingnut bloggers. Now up: a panel of bloggers, discussing why the liberal media is evil.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:00:22pm |
Something tells me the lunch I just ate is going to be glad I don't watch videos at work...
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:01:09pm |
I think that's my cue to get back to work. I'll be back for the "highlights" later.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:01:32pm |
It's Katherine Jean Lopez from the National Review, Ed Morrissey, and a fundamentalist evangelical whose name I didn't catch.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:01:56pm |
Lots of applause for absolute rejection of gay marriage.
What could be conservative about two people making a firm commitment to each other, a family framework?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:04:58pm |
re: #5 Obdicut
Lots of applause for absolute rejection of gay marriage.
What could be conservative about two people making a firm commitment to each other, a family framework?
You got me. Then again these are the same people who convince themselves they favor small government and individual liberties while they compare gay marriage to legalizing bestiality.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:10:39pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:13:21pm |
re: #10 Lidane
Obsolete, NY is missing.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:13:23pm |
if the vast millions of middle of the spectrum voters would get off their ass and get to the polls, these lunatic votes would be virtually worthless
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:14:15pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:14:26pm |
re: #4 Charles
It's Katherine Jean Lopez from the National Review, Ed Morrissey, and a fundamentalist evangelical whose name I didn't catch.
I remember Katherine Jean.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:14:55pm |
Ed Morrissey says, be wise about your sources.
This is the guy who parrots Andrew Breitbart's fake stories, and recycles every bogus climate change denier's claim.
It's pathetic to hear these people congratulating themselves on their integrity and fact-checking. What a joke.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:15:00pm |
re: #11 000G
Obsolete, NY is missing.
Still true, though.
Marrying your first cousin is okay, but a gay couple getting married isn't? Give me a break.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:15:38pm |
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:15:54pm |
re: #15 Charles
Ed Morrissey says, be wise about your sources.
What's next? Limbaugh talking about the benefits of a vegetarian diet?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:16:37pm |
re: #15 Charles
Ed Morrissey says, be wise about your sources.
This is the guy who parrots Andrew Breitbart's fake stories, and recycles every bogus climate change denier's claim.
It's pathetic to hear these people congratulating themselves on their integrity and fact-checking. What a joke.
So, they're jacking themselves off. Really though anyone who parrots Breitbart shouldn't be priding themselves on verifying sources.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:17:26pm |
These people really need to get laid well at least once in their lives.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:17:28pm |
re: #18 Lidane
What's next? Limbaugh talking about the benefits of a vegetarian diet?
Right after Glenn Beck's lesson on not engaging in hyperbole to make your point.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:18:40pm |
re: #13 Alouette
My parents are cousins! (but they got married in a state where it was legal)
What degree cousins?
(Why can't I stop myself from asking?)
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:19:27pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
These people really need to get laid well at least once in their lives.
Someone needs to hire a bunch of porn stars to go and take one for the team and give these people a good, thorough seeing to. It might make these "values" types more tolerable if they could just relax once in a while.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:20:19pm |
re: #22 jamesfirecat
What degree cousins?
(Why can't I stop myself from asking?)
First cousins, once removed.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:20:42pm |
I think first cousins should get genetic testing, but the idea of it being wildly dangerous is overblown.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Not nearly as bad effect on the unborn as smoking while pregnant, and I doubt we're going to start locking people up for that anytime soon.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:20:44pm |
I don't have 6 fingers on each hand and I can't play the banjo.
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laZardo Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:21:44pm |
re: #11 000G
Obsolete, NY is missing.
This is what Neil Patrick Harris would've done if NY rejected the initiative.
;p
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:22:06pm |
re: #25 Obdicut
I think first cousins should get genetic testing, but the idea of it being wildly dangerous is overblown.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Not nearly as bad effect on the unborn as smoking while pregnant, and I doubt we're going to start locking people up for that anytime soon.
First cousins marrying gets a bad rap because European royalty did it so frequently they replicated a bunch of genetic disorders.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:22:14pm |
re: #26 Alouette
I don't have 6 fingers on each hand and I can't play the banjo.
Although having six fingers on each hand would really help one's banjo technique.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:23:23pm |
re: #24 Alouette
First cousins, once removed.
Well I'm in no position to judge as my mom married a guy with the same first name as her dad. (My family is almost painfully normal aside from that one weird fact)
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:23:24pm |
re: #16 Lidane
Still true, though.
Marrying your first cousin is okay, but a gay couple getting married isn't? Give me a break.
I believe in Massachusetts, you can do both.
I don't know if anyone HAS, but you CAN.
I don't know. I've been seeing these maps, and I don't get the point. There's a lot more cultural privelege and bias going on in the comparison than I'm comfortable with.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:23:56pm |
re: #29 makeitstop
Although having six fingers on each hand would really help one's banjo technique.
How? It only has five strings!
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laZardo Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:24:11pm |
re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist
I believe in Massachusetts, you can do both.
I don't know if anyone HAS, but you CAN.
I don't know. I've been seeing these maps, and I don't get the point. There's a lot more cultural privelege and bias going on in the comparison than I'm comfortable with.
The point is apparently that Americans consider incest more "moral" than two'a them hom'asexuals gettin' hitched.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:24:25pm |
re: #30 jamesfirecat
Well I'm in no position to judge as my mom married a guy with the same first name as her dad. (My family is almost painfully normal aside from that one weird fact)
My son married a woman with the same first name as me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:24:34pm |
re: #22 jamesfirecat
What degree cousins?
(Why can't I stop myself from asking?)
My mother's grandparents were first cousins.
I like to tell people it's because it snowed year-round in Belarus in the late nineteenth century, the only way to get to a new town to meet non-relatives was by shoveling, and they wouldn't let Jews own shovels.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:24:34pm |
re: #33 laZardo
The point is apparently that Americans consider incest more "moral" than two'a them hom'asexuals gettin' hitched.
It's not incest when it's cousins.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:25:03pm |
re: #32 ralphieboy
How? It only has five strings!
Some only have four!
Double-picking would improve with an extra digit, provided it had the same range of mobility as the other five.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:25:16pm |
re: #26 Alouette
I don't have 6 fingers on each hand and I can't play the banjo.
Maybe if you had six fingers on each hand, you'd be a better banjo player.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:25:22pm |
re: #30 jamesfirecat
Well I'm in no position to judge as my mom married a guy with the same first name as her dad. (My family is almost painfully normal aside from that one weird fact)
You think thats bad? My family consists of a New Englander who married a Texan.
/
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:26:12pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:26:37pm |
re: #34 Alouette
My son married a woman with the same first name as me.
I'm named after my paternal grandmother. I had to get her death certificate for my records. Was kinda weird looking at it for the first time.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:27:30pm |
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jamesfirecat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:27:42pm |
re: #29 makeitstop
Although having six fingers on each hand would really help one's banjo technique.
Would also give you an excuse to have only polydactyl cats for pets, we best start getting in with them good now before it develops into a true thumb they can use to manipulate their own can openers....
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recusancy Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:28:50pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:30:18pm |
Named after both grandfathers. It's funny I share two thirds of a name with my paternal grandfather yet I find him to be this mystery. He died eight years before I was born. I'm proud to have his name as my middle and last names though since from all I know of him he was a great guy. I think in some funny way many sons become their fathers. I've been growing a beard the past couple months and it makes me look quite a lot like my Dad. My Mom is funny of course. She hates me with the beard but hates my Dad the blue moon he goes clean shaved.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:31:28pm |
re: #33 laZardo
The point is apparently that Americans consider incest more "moral" than two'a them hom'asexuals gettin' hitched.
Except, of course, for Massachusetts, where they've successfully held out for both.
The problem is that a huge assumption is being made the other way--that states that allow cousin marriages, and people who enter into them are comic, poor, rural, bad, and 'incestuous'. Cue banjos.
I am absolutely committed to same-sex marriage, but I don't see why I've got to act as though two cousins getting married is all icky and to be giggled over. The subtext of this has nothing to do with gay couples getting married, and I don't care for it much.
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aagcobb Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:32:16pm |
re: #23 Lidane
Someone needs to hire a bunch of porn stars to go and take one for the team and give these people a good, thorough seeing to. It might make these "values" types more tolerable if they could just relax once in a while.
Nope, they like their sex to be "dirty". If your rentboy isn't a hellbound degenerate pervert, what's the point?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:33:41pm |
re: #42 Obdicut
First cousins isn't incest, though.
The church banned cousin marriages during the Middle Ages--consanguinity ruled out a whole raft of people that modern folks would consider barely related. However, the nobility routinely got dispensations, and it's suspected that most of the common laity didn't even know these regulations existed.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:35:25pm |
Laura Ingraham: "It's night time in America right now."
Light up the crosses!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:36:36pm |
re: #51 jaunte
Laura Ingraham: "It's night time in America right now."
Light up the crosses!
Reagan reference *drink*
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:37:24pm |
More Ingraham: "Liberals are the Kardashians of politics."
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:38:44pm |
re: #53 jaunte
More Ingraham: "Liberals are the Kardashians of politics."
The hell does that drivel even mean. I love it though. They call this a value voters summit and Laura's comparing liberals to reality show stars. Stay classy and get the hell over yourself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:39:05pm |
re: #53 jaunte
More Ingraham: "Liberals are the Kardashians of politics."
Sexy? Curvy? Armenian? Into glitter horses? Undeservedly successful?
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:39:36pm |
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:40:16pm |
re: #54 HappyWarrior
I think she was saying that conservatives embrace tried and tested solutions, while libruls are susceptible to the latest political fads from Europe and other foreign places.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:40:20pm |
I think she's trying to say liberals are shallow would be my best guess but it's such a stupid metaphor.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:41:07pm |
re: #57 jaunte
I think she was saying that conservatives embrace tried and tested solutions, while libruls are susceptible to the latest political fads from Europe and other foreign places.
Yeah that democracy fad was a cool European fad.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:42:36pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
Sexy? Curvy? Armenian? Into glitter horses? Undeservedly successful?
Married to athletes?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:43:05pm |
Poor English language…
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:43:42pm |
re: #57 jaunte
I think she was saying that conservatives embrace tried and tested solutions, while libruls are susceptible to the latest political fads from Europe and other foreign places.
If so, that's extremely shortsighted and foolish thinking. That's basically saying conservatives are for being behind the curve and not doing anything new or different, regardless of the merits of the idea. For the U.S., that would mean resigning ourselves to being followers in the world, rather than leaders.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:44:07pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:44:25pm |
re: #53 jaunte
More Ingraham: "Liberals are the Kardashians of politics."
I don't know what a Kardashian is. Is it a type of rug or something?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:45:45pm |
re: #62 Simply Sarah
But that is what conservative radicalism/extremism is all about: The preferred approach is not the best one or appropriate one but merely the oldest and most traditional one (which of course the latter get called "best and most appropriate" by conservative radicals/extremists).
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:45:46pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:45:58pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
I don't know what a Kardashian is. Is it a type of rug or something?
You know how sometimes you see a picture of Snooki, and then you realize it's not Snooki, because she's taller and thinner?
That's a Kardashian.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:46:40pm |
re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist
You know how sometimes you see a picture of Snooki, and then you realize it's not Snooki, because she's taller and thinner?
That's a Kardashian.
What's a Snooki?
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:46:49pm |
re: #66 000G
But that is what conservative radicalism/extremism is all about: The preferred approach is not the best one or appropriate one but merely the oldest and most traditional one (which of course the latter get called "best and most appropriate" by conservative radicals/extremists).
Granted, but it's still baffling to hear people espouse it.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:46:56pm |
This stream is way too jumpy. Can't follow it, really.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:47:51pm |
re: #71 000G
This stream is way too jumpy. Can't follow it, really.
It's just Ingraham's speech. It's jumping all over the culture war map.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:48:05pm |
re: #69 NJDhockeyfan
What's a Snooki?
You know how sometimes you see a picture of a Kardashian, and then you realize she's under five feet tall...?
(The Kardashians are a family of pretty girls who have carved out careers for themselves as reality stars and celebutantes. I have no idea what their political leanings are.)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:48:27pm |
re: #66 000G
But that is what conservative radicalism/extremism is all about: The preferred approach is not the best one or appropriate one but merely the oldest and most traditional one (which of course the latter get called "best and most appropriate" by conservative radicals/extremists).
Selectively so, of course. Especially for American cons who pick and choose which traditions, so-called, to keep or discard.
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aagcobb Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:49:58pm |
re: #69 NJDhockeyfan
What's a Snooki?
You're from Jersey and you don't know what a Snooki is? Have you no state pride in your most celebrated residents?
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:50:07pm |
re: #74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Selectively so, of course. Especially for American cons who pick and choose which traditions, so-called, to keep or discard.
They're big fans of the Old Testament Buffet, for one.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:51:08pm |
Ingraham: "Companies have to stand on their own... if it's such a great idea, the private sector will go fund it."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:51:14pm |
re: #76 Simply Sarah
They're big fans of the Old Testament Buffet, for one.
New Testament smorgasbord, too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:52:07pm |
re: #77 jaunte
Ingraham: "Companies have to stand on their own... if it's such a great idea, the private sector will go fund it."
I hope she tells them the same thing about private schools and vouchers.
/i have a dream
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aagcobb Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:52:22pm |
re: #76 Simply Sarah
They're big fans of the Old Testament Buffet, for one.
Stoning teh gahz wouldn't be much fun if you couldn't have some pork BBQ afterwards.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:52:27pm |
re: #74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Selectively so, of course. Especially for American cons who pick and choose which traditions, so-called, to keep or discard.
Of course selectively. Because there is a big, big reality of traditions in history and cultures, so vast that it encompasses all humanity – that is the reality and also part of the reason why the opposite (avant-garde progressivists, if you will) are a rarer breed. But conservative extremists/radicals usually have magically found just that one single tradition that is true and supreme above all others – it's basically a tradition-based supremacism.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:53:15pm |
re: #77 jaunte
Ingraham: "Companies have to stand on their own... if it's such a great idea, the private sector will go fund it."
Twit.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:53:33pm |
re: #77 jaunte
Ingraham: "Companies have to stand on their own... if it's such a great idea, the private sector will go fund it."
Wow she is really impinging things there. Not surprised of course since she proves herself often to be a dolt.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:54:27pm |
re: #77 jaunte
Ingraham: "Companies have to stand on their own... if it's such a great idea, the private sector will go fund it."
The private sector, supreme judge of great ideas!
/because the public officials they elect certainly are poor judges of ideas...
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:56:24pm |
She closes with a call for pure conservatism, no additives... "We... are enough."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:57:48pm |
Hm, my page from earlier this morning about RWNJ Obama conspiracy theories about OWS got demoted. It was featured but now it's fallen off the list of featured pages. Never seen that happening before, wonder how that happened.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:58:04pm |
re: #85 jaunte
She closes with a call for pure conservatism, no additives... "We... are enough."
Pure like Herman Cain's family is pure, I guess.
9_9
Cons and their contamination anxiety, eesh.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:58:29pm |
Companies need to stand on their own, which means they need millions in tax breaks and no government regulation or consumer protection getting in their way.
Riiight.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:59:07pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Companies need to stand on their own, which means they need millions in tax breaks and no government regulation or consumer protection getting in their way.
Riiight.
Yep regulation is bad but being coddled by the government is just wonderful to cons like Ingraham.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 7, 2011 12:59:48pm |
re: #75 aagcobb
You're from Jersey and you don't know what a Snooki is? Have you know state pride in your most celebrated residents?
I thought all the Snookis originated in NY. NJ produced Bud Abbott, Buzz Aldrin, Jon Bon Jovi, Danny DeVito, Michael Douglas, Jerry Lewis, Ray Liotta, Shaquille O'Neal, Bill Parcells, Frank Sinatra, Jack Nicholson, Bruce Springsteen, Frankie Valli, and Pia Zadora but not a single Snooki.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:00:28pm |
re: #87 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Cons and their contamination anxiety, eesh.
Have you ever read about the international racist "Black Shame" (Schwarze Schande) campaign against black French soldiers in the Rhineland after WWI?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:00:59pm |
re: #90 NJDhockeyfan
I thought all the Snookis originated in NY. NJ produced Bud Abbott, Buzz Aldrin, Jon Bon Jovi, Danny DeVito, Michael Douglas, Jerry Lewis, Ray Liotta, Shaquille O'Neal, Bill Parcells, Frank Sinatra, Jack Nicholson, Bruce Springsteen, Frankie Valli, and Pia Zadora but not a single Snooki.
Did you memorize them in alphabetical order like that?
I'm impressed.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:01:05pm |
re: #90 NJDhockeyfan
I thought all the Snookis originated in NY. NJ produced Bud Abbott, Buzz Aldrin, Jon Bon Jovi, Danny DeVito, Michael Douglas, Jerry Lewis, Ray Liotta, Shaquille O'Neal, Bill Parcells, Frank Sinatra, Jack Nicholson, Bruce Springsteen, Frankie Valli, and Pia Zadora but not a single Snooki.
I play a bar in Jersey from time to time that's crawling with Snookis.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:01:58pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:03:49pm |
re: #91 000G
Have you ever read about the international racist "Black Shame" (Schwarze Schande) campaign against black French soldiers in the Rhineland after WWI?
A while back, yes. Birth of a Nation type of b.s.?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:06:06pm |
re: #96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
A while back, yes. Birth of a Nation type of b.s.?
Yup. But much more international. Lots of concern trolling from Great Britain and other nations about the French "raping" the white women of Germany with their negroes etc.
Good article in German: [Link: www.historisches-lexikon-bayerns.de...]
It had a pretty tragic follow-up: All of the "rhineland bastards", i.e. children conceived between black French soldiers and white women that got apprehended by the Nazis during their occupation got sterilized.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:06:25pm |
Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) telling the crowd that they have a chance now to decide whether they want to be 'like everybody else' (Western Europe) or 'not like everybody else' for the next 25 years.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:07:12pm |
re: #93 makeitstop
I play a bar in Jersey from time to time that's crawling with Snookis.
I think they have a spray for that.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:07:28pm |
re: #96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
A while back, yes. Birth of a Nation type of b.s.?
Here is an article in English by probably the best scholar on the subject: [Link: rac.sagepub.com...]
The 'Black Shame' campaign used stereotypical images of 'racially primitive' , sexually depraved black colonial soldiers threatening 'white women' in 1920s Germany to manufacture widespread concern and generate panic about the presence of tens of thousands of occupying French troops from colonial Africa on German soil. The campaign, which originated with the German government, quickly developed a momentum of its own and became an international phenomenon, spanning the political divide and incorporating figures from the Left and Right, trades unionists, Christian groups, women s organisations and key public figures including Edmund D. Morel and Bertrand Russell. It had followers throughout Europe, the US and Australia and was promoted through the modern media. The author here explores the ways in which the racial, sexual, class and national stereotypes that fuelled the campaign interrelated and reinforced one another, creating 'interlinked discriminations'.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:09:01pm |
re: #98 jaunte
Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) telling the crowd that they have a chance now to decide whether they want to be 'like everybody else' (Western Europe) or 'not like everybody else' for the next 25 years.
Great xenophobia. Wish I could say I am surprised but I am not. These people don't want America to be the America that was willing to give the poor non English speaking immigrant a chance to make something of himself.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:12:26pm |
Attention moonbats and OWS apologists: Here's the video that resulted in the outrageous nightstick beatdown (AKA "police brutality")
#Occupywallstreet Protesters Attack Police And Then Get Beat Down
This backs up the story the police told. The crowd counts down and rushes the police.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:13:16pm |
Oh brother, now they're on the "God Banned at Military Funerals!!!" fake controversy. Using dead soldiers to promote an ideology...how are these assholes any different from Fred Phelps?
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:14:21pm |
at the end they are going to pray in the name of the father, the son, and the free market fairy
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:14:33pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Did you see the video of 9/11 truther Luke Rudkowski getting beaten and peppersprayed together with the MyFoxNY team?:
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:14:54pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Attention moonbats and OWS apologists: Here's the video that resulted in the outrageous nightstick beatdown (AKA "police brutality")
#Occupywallstreet Protesters Attack Police And Then Get Beat Down[Video]This backs up the story the police told. The crowd counts down and rushes the police.
It's also interesting to see so many cameras in the rushing crowd. Makes me wonder if they decided to provoked the reaction to make videos showing police brutality.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:15:34pm |
re: #86 000G
Hm, my page from earlier this morning about RWNJ Obama conspiracy theories about OWS got demoted. It was featured but now it's fallen off the list of featured pages. Never seen that happening before, wonder how that happened.
Oh wow, now it's back up on top. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:16:17pm |
re: #100 000G
I have to think where I first read about it - on the internet a few years ago? I know where to find the latest Race and Class so I'll go look for it.
Most of that imagery looks like it was swiped directly from US exports.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:16:24pm |
Jimmy Carter is now a "far left president?" Are you shitting me? The guy's a pro-life, union-busting, Evangelical Christian. Fucktards.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:16:38pm |
re: #106 000G
Did you see the video of 9/11 truther Luke Rudkowski getting beaten and peppersprayed together with the MyFoxNY team?:
[Video]
I did see that. I can see the Truthers participating in that but it makes me wonder about the Fox crew. Why didn't they release their video of the crowd rushing the barricade. I don't think they even mentioned it in their report.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:16:52pm |
I like how the 'Values Voters' Summit is talking about nothing but the only value that they actually hold - hating liberals.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:17:59pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
I did see that. I can see the Truthers participating in that but it makes me wonder about the Fox crew. Why didn't they release their video of the crowd rushing the barricade. I don't think they even mentioned it in their report.
Becuz librul media bias hate capitalism.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:18:39pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
I did see that. I can see the Truthers participating in that but it makes me wonder about the Fox crew. Why didn't they release their video of the crowd rushing the barricade. I don't think they even mentioned it in their report.
I think it's because of their being a local affiliate they decided not to go with the mothership narrative of "OWS = dirty hippy marxists" but instead decided to milk their live-on-camera victimhood status.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:19:37pm |
re: #110 Atlas Fails
Jimmy Carter is now a "far left president?" Are you shitting me? The guy's a pro-life, union-busting, Evangelical Christian. Fucktards.
Yeah his presidency was hardly liberal. Why do they think Ted Kennedy challenged him? Because he went too far to the left? To be fair, I see some liberals try to claim Carter was our last liberal president which flat out isn't true.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:19:58pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Attention moonbats and OWS apologists: Here's the video that resulted in the outrageous nightstick beatdown (AKA "police brutality")
#Occupywallstreet Protesters Attack Police And Then Get Beat Down[Video]This backs up the story the police told. The crowd counts down and rushes the police.
Can a 'fuck you' be far behind?
//
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:20:31pm |
re: #112 Renaissance_Man
I like how the 'Values Voters' Summit is talking about nothing but the only value that they actually hold - hating liberals.
Pretty much. They hate us because they're obsessed psychos.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:21:17pm |
re: #109 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I have to think where I first read about it - on the internet a few years ago? I know where to find the latest Race and Class so I'll go look for it.
There's probably a lot of articles out there in English. "Black Shame" or "Schwarze Schmach" or "Schwarze Schande" in the usual scholarly databases should give enough results to have reading material until next Spring.
Most of that imagery looks like it was swiped directly from US exports.
I dunno. Proper racism is a European invention.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:22:52pm |
re: #108 000G
Oh wow, now it's back up on top. Wheee!
Saw that about the Herman Cain addition. Yesterday, there was a brief Twitter hashtag, #idonthavethefactstobackthisup.Silly, but it had potential.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:22:52pm |
Name one Christian who was told he/she had to participate in an abortion. Oh, that's right, these dunderheads think contraception and abortion are the same thing. This is what happens when we teach abstinence only.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:24:21pm |
re: #116 makeitstop
Can a 'fuck you' be far behind?
//
Seriously, fuck these people. This is why I'm not bothered by these scenes of self inflicted beatdowns. They got the beating they deserved.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:24:31pm |
re: #120 Atlas Fails
Name one Christian who was told he/she had to participate in an abortion. Oh, that's right, these dunderheads think contraception and abortion are the same thing. This is what happens when we teach abstinence only.
They are both abominations in the sight of God. Just like homosexuality, bestiality and wife-beating...
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:24:36pm |
re: #119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Saw that about the Herman Cain addition. Yesterday, there was a brief Twitter hashtag, #idonthavethefactstobackthisup.Silly, but it had potential.
It's still there.
[Link: twitter.com...]
[Link: restoringtruthiness.org...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:24:40pm |
re: #120 Atlas Fails
Name one Christian who was told he/she had to participate in an abortion. Oh, that's right, these dunderheads think contraception and abortion are the same thing. This is what happens when we teach abstinence only.
Oh come on you know liberals in Congress are nabbing Christian women and forcing them to get abortions simply because liberals love abortion because it's just hilarious. Assholes. This isn't a voters summit- this is a bitch about liberals summit and make up shit about them.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:25:02pm |
Repeal every syllable of every word of Obamacare, huh? I guess Jesus doesn't give a shit about those with preexisting conditions.
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garhighway Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:26:05pm |
re: #125 Atlas Fails
Repeal every syllable of every word of Obamacare, huh? I guess Jesus doesn't give a shit about those with preexisting conditions.
He must: they were His idea.
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Interesting Times Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:26:29pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:26:43pm |
re: #125 Atlas Fails
Repeal every syllable of every world of Obamacare, huh? I guess Jesus doesn't give a shit about those with preexisting conditions.
Had their father's father to the third generation not been sinners, they wouldn't be getting sick in the first place.
They brought it on themselves, so they are getting what they deserve. Let the churches take care of them.
/compassionate conservatism
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:26:46pm |
Original sin is a pre-existing condition.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:27:36pm |
re: #110 Atlas Fails
Jimmy Carter is now a "far left president?" Are you shitting me? The guy's a pro-life, union-busting, Evangelical Christian. Fucktards.
THe problem these guys have is that no one ever actually gets elected in America who's as far-left as they imagine their enemies being.
Jimmy, with his Habitat-building, Israel-bashing ways (post office) is as good as they're going to get.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:28:17pm |
re: #129 000G
Original sin is a pre-existing condition.
Dammit, somebody already said that.
It's fun to try and say things nobody ever said before. Now you try it!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:29:30pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
THe problem these guys have is that no one ever actually gets elected in America who's as far-left as they imagine their enemies being.
Jimmy, with his Habitat-building, Israel-bashing ways (post office) is as good as they're going to get.
The funniest part of the 2008 was when the actual Socialist Party candidate went on Colbert's show and said with what I imagine was disappointment that Obama was no socialist.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:30:11pm |
I am my brother's keeper unless he's sick then he can get sick and suffer because that's God's will.
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:30:21pm |
National Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptom Projection Festival
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:30:59pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
THe problem these guys have is that no one ever actually gets elected in America who's as far-left as they imagine their enemies being.
Jimmy, with his Habitat-building, Israel-bashing ways (post office) is as good as they're going to get.
It's like how FDR is some super communist now, when, like with TR, much of what he did with the New Deal was put into place in no small part to try and prevent the further rise of socialism and communism in the U.S. by making things less broken for the masses.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:31:18pm |
re: #132 HappyWarrior
That's what's so funny to me about the dumb commie-chasing "Obama = socialist"/obamunism bit.
The *actual* socialists can't stand him any more than they can.
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:31:21pm |
re: #133 HappyWarrior
I am my brother's keeper unless he's sick then he can get sick and suffer because that's God's will.
that's why the name of the current front runner is Cain
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Interesting Times Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:34:39pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:36:07pm |
lre: #136 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's what's so funny to me about the dumb commie-chasing "Obama = socialist"/obamunism bit.
The *actual* socialists can't stand him any more than they can.
Shit many liberals can't stand the guy. The idea of Obama as far left is so laughable considering what he's actually done and doing but they like to cry themselves to sleep pretending that Obama is Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Islamist all rolled up in one big fat Commie Nazi Islamist wrap. Can you say losers?
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:36:39pm |
re: #131 000G
Dammit, somebody already said that.
It's fun to try and say things nobody ever said before. Now you try it!
I don't banana foot the goobers for Mickey's colostomy suit.
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recusancy Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:39:35pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Attention moonbats and OWS apologists: Here's the video that resulted in the outrageous nightstick beatdown (AKA "police brutality")
#Occupywallstreet Protesters Attack Police And Then Get Beat Down[Video]This backs up the story the police told. The crowd counts down and rushes the police.
That's like porn to you isn't it?
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:40:11pm |
re: #139 HappyWarrior
l
The idea of Obama as far left is so laughable considering what he's actually done and doing but they like to cry themselves to sleep pretending that Obama is Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Islamist all rolled up in one big fat Commie Nazi Islamist wrap.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Islamists were/are all abominations unto the Lord, as is Obama.
In that sense, they are identical.
Do you not get how the likes of Santorum and his people think?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:40:12pm |
Looks like Cain is trying to get the Palin contingent.
Probably all the GOP candidates are.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:40:19pm |
No exceptions at all for abortions, says Herman Cain. Rape, incest, the life of the mother, none of it matters. No exceptions.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:40:44pm |
What do you do when a 22-pound cat jumps up on your lap and simply refuses to get down? I've got work to do here, and kitty is not helping.
OTOH, it's Friday, and maybe some kitty-petting is in order...
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:41:42pm |
re: #144 Charles
No exceptions at all for abortions, says Herman Cain. Rape, incest, the life of the mother, none of it matters. No exceptions.
So much for small government. Not that I take them seriously when they talk about that anyhow.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:41:52pm |
They love him. He's as fanatic as they are.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:42:40pm |
re: #144 Charles
No exceptions at all for abortions, says Herman Cain. Rape, incest, the life of the mother, none of it matters. No exceptions.
Which will often end in the death of the fetus too. "Pro-life" my ass.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:42:46pm |
yay, anti-OWS rage!
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Gepetto Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:42:57pm |
re: #86 000G
Hm, my page from earlier this morning about RWNJ Obama conspiracy theories about OWS got demoted. It was featured but now it's fallen off the list of featured pages. Never seen that happening before, wonder how that happened.
obviously Obama isn't behind these protests. His position is that the Banks are engaging in immoral acts, not illegal ones.
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Interesting Times Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:42:58pm |
re: #144 Charles
No exceptions at all for abortions, says Herman Cain. Rape, incest, the life of the mother, none of it matters. No exceptions.
How nice to know Herman Cain would have let this girl die.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:43:06pm |
The all-white audience goes wild when Cain says he's not angry for America's treatment of black people.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:44:26pm |
re: #152 jaunte
The White House caused the housing bubble.
Remember? it was all those low-cost loans to minorities that caused our economy to collapse. Wall Street had nothing to do with it, they were too busy being the Best and the Brightest and justifying their salaries and bonuses.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:45:04pm |
re: #151 publicityStunted
How nice to know Herman Cain would have let this girl die.
That case is one of the reasons why I hate absolutists like Cain on this issue.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:45:35pm |
re: #148 wrenchwench
Which will often end in the death of the fetus too. "Pro-life" my ass.
Of course. They don't actually care about the mother or the fetus or reality. It's the concept and act of abortion that they're worried about. It means a woman has some degree of control over her body and that cannot be allowed. Same reason they want to ban contraception.
And why they don't care about health care or support for the mother or child, either before or after birth.
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Political Atheist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:45:58pm |
re: #144 Charles
No exceptions at all for abortions, says Herman Cain. Rape, incest, the life of the mother, none of it matters. No exceptions.
What a load of crap. Real helpful when the Mom dies and takes the embryo with her. Twice the tragedy is a good thing? Despicable. Just despicable.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:46:08pm |
Declaration of Independence > Constitution
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:46:51pm |
re: #157 Simply Sarah
Of course. They don't actually care about the mother or the fetus or reality. It's the concept and act of abortion that they're worried about. It means a woman has some degree of control over her body and that cannot be allowed. Same reason they want to ban contraception.
These people do not only dislike Planned Parenthood as an organization, they seem to be against the very concept of planned parenthood...
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:46:52pm |
Cain: "We've got some ALTERING and ABOLISHING to do!"
Crowd goes nuts.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:47:19pm |
re: #161 Charles
Cain: "We've got some ALTERING and ABOLISHING to do!"
Crowd goes nuts.
these people have no right at all to bitch at all about "big government" none at all.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:47:25pm |
re: #157 Simply Sarah
Of course. They don't actually care about the mother or the fetus or reality. It's the concept and act of abortion that they're worried about. It means a woman has some degree of control over her body and that cannot be allowed. Same reason they want to ban contraception.
Time to share this again.
Menstrual extraction was developed as a technique to help women gain and maintain control over their menstrual cycles and reproductive lives.[1][2][3][4][5] It can be used as a method of very early termination of pregnancy (abortion) and/or as a simple way to remove menstrual blood.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:47:43pm |
re: #139 HappyWarrior
Shit many liberals can't stand the guy. The idea of Obama as far left is so laughable considering what he's actually done and doing but they like to cry themselves to sleep pretending that Obama is Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Islamist all rolled up in one big fat Commie Nazi Islamist wrap. Can you say losers?
Obama is a:
Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Luo
Arab
Radical Muslim
Racist
White culture hater
Anti-colonial anti-British
Black Liberation Racist Christian
Self-hating tragic mulatto
Black mascot of white oligarchs
Black puppet of corporate plutocrats
Bush 2
Bush lite
Reagan lite
FDR
Carter
LBJ
MLK
JFK
TR
Hoover
Leftist
Centrist
Conservadem
DLC
Long legged mack daddy
Murderer
Assassin
Oh the list goes on.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:47:57pm |
re: #141 recusancy
That's like porn to you isn't it?
I like to see the bad guys get their due, I think everybody does. I checked around to see if any lefty blogs are honest enough to show the unedited video of the protesters attacking police. Koskidz are still sticking with the dishonestly edited version....
Nate Silver: “Police Clashes Spur Coverage of #OccupyWallStreet”
Strange that they have no difficulty condemning Breitbart for spreading lies using deceptively edited video but when lefties attack police officers they make up their own lies.
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blueraven Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:48:14pm |
re: #161 Charles
Cain: "We've got some ALTERING and ABOLISHING to do!"
Crowd goes nuts.
He is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Whats good for the TPGOP, is not good for the 99 percenters.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:48:24pm |
re: #150 Gepetto
obviously Obama isn't behind these protests. His position is that the Banks are engaging in immoral acts, not illegal ones.
That's kind of misleading. Obama did not just wag the finger, he is advocating stronger legislation.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:48:39pm |
Man, Herman Cain is even more whacked out than I thought. When he gets in front of the fundamentalists, he lets it hang out.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:48:54pm |
A local state senator here in Virginia whom I saw speak recently was talking about the state GOP's attacks on planned parenthood. He pointed out that groups like PP are often the only recourse women especially poorer ones have when they need help for diseases, etc. What a truly despicable bunch this is. I understand opposing federal funding of abortion but fact is we don't federally fund abortion via the Hyde Amendment. These people are ghouls.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:49:39pm |
re: #152 jaunte
Barack Obama sent Arnold Schwarzenegger back in time to destroy America's economy. He is the Loan Originator!
Coming to a wingnut's fantasy world near you in 2012.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:49:41pm |
re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Obama is a:
Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Luo
Arab
Radical Muslim
Racist
White culture hater
Anti-colonial anti-British
Black Liberation Racist Christian
Self-hating tragic mulatto
Black mascot of white oligarchs
Black puppet of corporate plutocrats
Bush 2
Bush lite
Reagan lite
FDR
Carter
LBJ
MLK
JFK
TR
Hoover
Leftist
Centrist
Conservadem
DLC
Long legged mack daddy
Murderer
AssassinOh the list goes on.
Sounds like the lyrics to a John Lennon song. :-)
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:49:42pm |
"Stop giving money to our enemies!!1!"
No more oil, I guess.
Good for the bicycle business!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:50:34pm |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
I checked around to see if any lefty blogs are honest enough to show the unedited video of the protesters attacking police.
Such as?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:50:47pm |
re: #172 wrenchwench
"Stop giving money to our enemies!!1!"
No more oil, I guess.
Good for the bicycle business!
Right Herman because Obama is the only one who gave arms to the Iranians in the 80's. Oh wait that was St. Ronald Reagan the same guy who you think was Mr. Perfect Conservative.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:50:52pm |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
Funny to call Nate Silver a "koskid", although it's technically true.
edit: oops, I see that you didn't, you just used the headline. Still, Nate Silver originated at DKos.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:51:12pm |
re: #168 Charles
Man, Herman Cain is even more whacked out than I thought. When he gets in front of the fundamentalists, he lets it hang out.
Demagoguery in action.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:51:20pm |
re: #174 HappyWarrior
Right Herman because Obama is the only one who gave arms to the Iranians in the 80's. Oh wait that was St. Ronald Reagan the same guy who you think was Mr. Perfect Conservative.
D'oh!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:52:00pm |
re: #168 Charles
Man, Herman Cain is even more whacked out than I thought. When he gets in front of the fundamentalists, he lets it hang out.
They're made for each other. It's all cheap talking points, hammered out as boldly as possible.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:52:05pm |
Of course, you all realize what 999 is when it's turned upside-down, right?
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:52:07pm |
re: #153 Charles
The all-white audience goes wild when Cain says he's not angry for America's treatment of black people.
Of course they're happy. He just gave them permission to keep being bigoted assholes.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:52:32pm |
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celticdragon Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:53:43pm |
re: #121 Killgore Trout
Seriously, fuck these people. This is why I'm not bothered by these scenes of self inflicted beatdowns. They got the beating they deserved.
Becasue there is nothing like police beating the shit out of people (including some of the bystanders) for real entertainment.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:53:43pm |
re: #169 HappyWarrior
A local state senator here in Virginia whom I saw speak recently was talking about the state GOP's attacks on planned parenthood. He pointed out that groups like PP are often the only recourse women especially poorer ones have when they need help for diseases, etc. What a truly despicable bunch this is. I understand opposing federal funding of abortion but fact is we don't federally fund abortion via the Hyde Amendment. These people are ghouls.
Just the name of Planned Parenthood sends these loons into a frothing-at-the-mouth frenzy. I can't even totally blame them; most have been inundated with pictures of aborted fetuses and horror stories of "baby killings" since they were in grammar school. It's a vicious cycle of fundamentalism and ignorance.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:53:53pm |
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Political Atheist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:55:40pm |
re: #180 Charles
Of course, you all realize what 999 is when it's turned upside-down, right?
666 reasons not to vote for Cain. As much as I like to "raise Cain" I now need a new phrase for those moments in life.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:57:04pm |
re: #177 wrenchwench
D'oh!
Yeah I loved how the right flipped their shit over Obama bowing to the Saudi king while they had no problem with Bush and Bush's family having business and personal relationships with them. I wished that we didn't have to deal with despicable regimes but blaming Obama for that is dishonest and Cain knows that and is just playing to the crowd. Lame for any candidate especially one who may be entering the 1st tier of candidates.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:57:07pm |
re: #185 celticdragon
Becasue there is nothing like police beating the shit out of people (including some of the bystanders) for real entertainment.
Especially if it's the commmies!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:58:19pm |
re: #186 Atlas Fails
Just the name of Planned Parenthood sends these loons into a frothing-at-the-mouth frenzy. I can't even totally blame them; most have been inundated with pictures of aborted fetuses and horror stories of "baby killings" since they were in grammar school. It's a vicious cycle of fundamentalism and ignorance.
Yeah I knew types like that growing up. Makes me glad that I had a secular upbringing by and large. When I got bored with CCD, my parents didn't pressure me to return.
| 194 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 1:58:26pm |
You can really feel that Cain is a minister. Very good crowd control.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:00:00pm |
re: #194 000G
You can really feel that Cain is a minister. Very good crowd control.
He and my father share a fraternity. The Kappas need to take Mr. Cain aside.
| 197 |
Political Atheist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:01:15pm |
Whoa, this looks important even if off topic...
The US drone fleet has been hit with a persistent computer virus for two weeks already. News just broke on Wired.
| 198 |
Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:01:57pm |
Herman Cain: I'd Upgrade Missile Defense And Tell Ahmadinejad To 'Make My Day'
Um, no.
| 199 |
wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:03:23pm |
Did they put the speakers in reverse order of likelihood of winning?
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:03:26pm |
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:03:35pm |
re: #198 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Herman Cain: I'd Upgrade Missile Defense And Tell Ahmadinejad To 'Make My Day'
Um, no.
... as he waits to continue until after the crowd orgasms wind down...
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celticdragon Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:04:08pm |
re: #191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah.
I am on the logistics committee for Occupy Greensboro, and at the meeting last night we were very clear on our desire to not get kicked in the teeth by the Greensboro Police (who have a less then sterling reputation on civil rights from back in the day).
We will be non violent and will comply with all local laws. When it comes down to it, we are fighting foir the cops as well, since we are defending their pensions. That said, we will be recording everything the police do.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:04:15pm |
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:04:48pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nope, he just wants to have complete control over the bedrooms and vaginas of others.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:05:04pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:05:26pm |
re: #197 Rightwingconspirator
Whoa, this looks important even if off topic...
The US drone fleet has been hit with a persistent computer virus for two weeks already. News just broke on Wired.
Bet it's based on STUXNET. Uncle put really really sophisticated anti-hardware code out into the wild. I'm only surprised that it took this long for it to rebound against us.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:05:48pm |
re: #202 celticdragon
Yeah.
I am on the logistics committee for Occupy Greensboro, and at the meeting last night we were very clear on our desire to not get kicked in the teeth by the Greensboro Police (who have a less then sterling reputation on civil rights from back in the day).
We will be non violent and will comply with all local laws. When it comes down to it, we are fighting foir the cops as well, since we are defending their pensions. That said, we will be recording everything the police do.
Good luck!
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:07:12pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Perry ‘Doesn’t Judge What Is In The Heart And Soul Of Others”
Unless you're gay. Or a woman. Or brown.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:07:15pm |
re: #202 celticdragon
Yeah.
I am on the logistics committee for Occupy Greensboro, and at the meeting last night we were very clear on our desire to not get kicked in the teeth by the Greensboro Police (who have a less then sterling reputation on civil rights from back in the day).
We will be non violent and will comply with all local laws. When it comes down to it, we are fighting foir the cops as well, since we are defending their pensions. That said, we will be recording everything the police do.
So, how much is the White House paying you?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:08:17pm |
re: #185 celticdragon
Becasue there is nothing like police beating the shit out of people (including some of the bystanders) for real entertainment.
Truth hurts doesn't it? Your side got caught lying and deceptively editing video.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:08:31pm |
re: #197 Rightwingconspirator
Whoa, this looks important even if off topic...
The US drone fleet has been hit with a persistent computer virus for two weeks already. News just broke on Wired.
See, I think that could be a valid concern over the use of drones. As the military become more computerized, you do have to worry about the possible drawbacks.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:08:34pm |
Gingrich advocating a coup against the judicial branch.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:08:40pm |
re: #197 Rightwingconspirator
Whoa, this looks important even if off topic...
The US drone fleet has been hit with a persistent computer virus for two weeks already. News just broke on Wired.
The interesting thing is how the Virus got into the computer systems.Most military computers have the USB ports disabled (often physically) as a security precaution, but the Creech AFB (where the drones are flown from) computers don't because they use removable drives to load map information, which is a really stupid idea for exactly these reasons.
The drone program has grown so fast it's not surprising that there are these kind of vulnerabilities in the program.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:08:50pm |
re: #209 Lidane
Unless you're gay. Or a woman. Or brown.
What will NAR say? Their whole schtick is judging people for their hearts and souls.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:09:06pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:09:18pm |
Imagine the outrage if the Tea Party attacked the police and Breitbart edited video to help them lie about it. Wow, that would be outrageous!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:09:19pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Of course not. If Romney had any balls he'd call out the bigots in his party but he won't because Mitt Romney is a political coward who cares more about power than doing the right thing.
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:10:30pm |
re: #180 Charles
Of course, you all realize what 999 is when it's turned upside-down, right?
i love it - this guy's name is Cain, when he talks about why he didn't participate in the civil rights movement he practically says "am I my brother's keeper?", and his signature program to raise taxes on poor people has the mark of the debbil on it
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:10:50pm |
re: #214 jaunte
Gingrich advocating a coup against the judicial branch.
Gingrich should spend more time advocating a coup against irrelevance. That's what he really needs.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:11:20pm |
re: #206 wlewisiii
Bet it's based on STUXNET. Uncle put really really sophisticated anti-hardware code out into the wild. I'm only surprised that it took this long for it to rebound against us.
So far it just looks like a really persistent key logger, the wired article mentions that they're pulling using the removal instructions on Kapersky's webite site, which implies it isn't something custom built to target the USAF system. Most likely someone was watching porn where they shouldn't have been.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:11:38pm |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
Truth hurts doesn't it? Your side got caught lying and deceptively editing video.
Pointing out truth is okay but smirking at and making fun of your political opponents getting physically violated is different and a little immature IMHO.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:12:26pm |
re: #202 celticdragon
Yeah.
I am on the logistics committee for Occupy Greensboro, and at the meeting last night we were very clear on our desire to not get kicked in the teeth by the Greensboro Police (who have a less then sterling reputation on civil rights from back in the day).
We will be non violent and will comply with all local laws.
Ok well, that cannot be true.
I heard you all are footsoldiers of the White House, controlled by Soros and violent communists, looking for permanent global revolution or whatever.
A trusted source on the internet said so, so it must be true.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:12:38pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
The dudes who ran at the police are douchebags for many reasons, not the least of being that the police are middle class and unionized.
And uncritically accepting footage of people getting whomped without knowing the why of their womping is bad. But so is vica-versa; blanket approval of force isn't cool either.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:12:55pm |
re: #223 jaunte
"Judges are dictators!"
Gingrich calling judges "arrogant" is causing mental whiplash.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:13:08pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
Imagine the outrage if the Tea Party attacked the police and Breitbart edited video to help them lie about it. Wow, that would be outrageous!
Well fair is fair
Scorecard
Police arrest
OWS- 800 Tea Party 0
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:13:09pm |
re: #171 000G
Sounds like the lyrics to a John Lennon song. :-)
Imagine that he's Hitler,
It isn't hard to do.
A hate filled extremist,
who doesn't like the Jews.
Imagine all the Christians...dying by his hands.
Imagine he's just like Stalin,
it's easy if you try,
Children begging in the alleys,
while bombs dance in the sky.
Imagine all the people...forced to become Muslims...
You might say I'm a hater,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope one day you will join me,
and not let Obama take your gun.
Imagine he's a commie,
prepared to rob you blind,
You peel back the layers,
amazing what you find.
Imagine all the money...he's going to give away...
Imagine no possessions,
Obama took them all.
No true Americans left now,
no one to answer the call.
Imagine all the Liberals...running around the states...
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:13:14pm |
re: #202 celticdragon
How do you plan on keeping the troublemakers out of the protest or under control?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:13:30pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:13:43pm |
re: #224 000G
Pointing out truth is okay but smirking at and making fun of your political opponents getting physically violated is different and a little immature IMHO.
Given the new video evidence of the lefties staging attacks on police to claim oppression I now have even less sympathy for the protesters.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:14:13pm |
"We love the Constitution and everything it stands for, except for those cocksuckers in the judicial branch."
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:14:26pm |
re: #231 000G
He said that the American judiciary is against God and the traditional definition of marriage, and that's wrong, and dictatorial.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:14:34pm |
re: #215 BishopX
It doesn't really matter. If there is any electronic communication between computers at all, malicious software will be able to find a way if systems are sufficiently vulnerable.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:03pm |
re: #223 jaunte
"Judges are dictators!"
Unless, of course, they deem corporations people or repeal the ACA. Then they're upholding the intentions of the Founding Fathers (Peace Be Upon Them).
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:08pm |
re: #230 Obdicut
How do you plan on keeping the troublemakers out of the protest or under control?
The entire crowd is chanting the countdown. This was a planned event, not the act of a few rouge idiots.
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Jack Burton Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:09pm |
re: #225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ok well, that cannot be true.
I heard you all are footsoldiers of the White House, controlled by Soros and violent communists, looking for permanent global revolution or whatever.
A trusted source on the internet said so, so it must be true.
They are the Uruk-Hai of the Dark Lord Soros.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:20pm |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
Given the new video evidence of the lefties staging attacks on policy to claim oppression I now have even less sympathy for the protesters.
I'm certain the momentum will be crushed without your personal validation.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:35pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:43pm |
re: #234 jaunte
Time to invoke the Declaration of Independence!
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:43pm |
re: #236 Atlas Fails
Gingrich is being such a suckup to these people.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:45pm |
They're only bitching about the judicial branch because the judicial branch unlike them knows a thing or two about the law. Newt knows that Newt is right but that's different than understanding the law.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:47pm |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
Truth hurts doesn't it? Your side got caught lying and deceptively editing video.
I see plenty of these demonstration scenes on TV but the only ones you quote are the YouTube variety.
I think we all agree there are people there we don't like, and probably looking for trouble, but is that all you can see in this whole thing?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:15:58pm |
re: #233 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"We love the Constitution and everything it stands for, except for those cocksuckers in the judicial branch."
we love america so much we want to sabotage it and dismantle every institution it has
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:16:08pm |
re: #237 Killgore Trout
The entire crowd is chanting the countdown. This was a planned event, not the act of a few rouge idiots.
Rogue idiots, unless you blame Maybelline.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:16:08pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Attention moonbats and OWS apologists: Here's the video that resulted in the outrageous nightstick beatdown (AKA "police brutality")
#Occupywallstreet Protesters Attack Police And Then Get Beat Down[Video]This backs up the story the police told. The crowd counts down and rushes the police.
I haven't been paying much attention to this story, but that video definitely does show the protesters rushing the police.
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celticdragon Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:16:34pm |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
Truth hurts doesn't it? Your side got caught lying and deceptively editing video.
I saw nothing in the video that justified the batons. The police were not attacked, and they were not threatened. The crowd was moving forward in civil disobedience (I don't think it was a good idea). If that means you can beat the hell out of people, and then beat the news people covering the event, then we have lost our country already.
If you are fine with that, then your judgment is broke beyond repair.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:16:42pm |
re: #202 celticdragon
Yeah.
I am on the logistics committee for Occupy Greensboro, and at the meeting last night we were very clear on our desire to not get kicked in the teeth by the Greensboro Police (who have a less then sterling reputation on civil rights from back in the day).
We will be non violent and will comply with all local laws. When it comes down to it, we are fighting foir the cops as well, since we are defending their pensions. That said, we will be recording everything the police do.
I heard you were a trust fund marxist!!!!
CONFIRM OR DENY?!?!?!?!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:17:26pm |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
So there's evidence that those women that got maced and you smirked at and called marxists had been engaging in foul play?
| 251 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:17:30pm |
re: #237 Killgore Trout
The entire crowd is chanting the countdown. This was a planned event, not the act of a few rouge idiots.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:17:32pm |
re: #226 Obdicut
The dudes who ran at the police are douchebags for many reasons, not the least of being that the police are middle class and unionized.
And uncritically accepting footage of people getting whomped without knowing the why of their womping is bad. But so is vica-versa; blanket approval of force isn't cool either.
I'd be more inclined to listen to KT's point of view if he seemed a little less gleeful about people getting koshed.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:18:05pm |
re: #247 Charles
I also find it interesting that they all have cameras running as they do it. My guess is that the whole plan was to provoke the response and have it on film. Straight out of Paliwood.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:18:11pm |
I still don't think anyone should have been beaten. But face the fact: the police set up a line. The protesters counted down and then advanced across that line very aggressively. At that point, it's a little more than civil disobedience.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:18:20pm |
re: #229 dragonfire1981
Imagine that he's Hitler,
It isn't hard to do.
A hate filled extremist,
who doesn't like the Jews.Imagine all the Christians...dying by his hands.
Imagine he's just like Stalin,
it's easy if you try,
Children begging in the alleys,
while bombs dance in the sky.Imagine all the people...forced to become Muslims...
You might say I'm a hater,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope one day you will join me,
and not let Obama take your gun.Imagine he's a commie,
prepared to rob you blind,
You peel back the layers,
amazing what you find.Imagine all the money...he's going to give away...
Imagine no possessions,
Obama took them all.
No true Americans left now,
no one to answer the call.Imagine all the Liberals...running around the states...
You have a gift, my friend.
| 257 |
celticdragon Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:19:01pm |
re: #230 Obdicut
How do you plan on keeping the troublemakers out of the protest or under control?
That is under discussion. I mentioned last night that we do not need idiots carrying signs about "Jewish Bankers", and we are wary of folks showing up who might deliberately try to instigate problems for their own purposes.
| 258 |
BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:19:14pm |
re: #235 000G
These are classified computers. There is by design an air gap between them and the rest of the world. They don't have internet connections and they don't normally allow external media hookups. This vulnerability is interesting because it's a function of using of the shelf commercial solutions within the drone program.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:19:23pm |
re: #222 BishopX
So far it just looks like a really persistent key logger, the wired article mentions that they're pulling using the removal instructions on Kapersky's webite site, which implies it isn't something custom built to target the USAF system. Most likely someone was watching porn where they shouldn't have been.
The United States Military relies on anti-virus software companies for security details?
Fuck.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:19:32pm |
re: #252 makeitstop
I'd be more inclined to listen to KT's point of view if he seemed a little less gleeful about people getting koshed.
They you'll hate this.....
Protesters Goin' Down!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:20:07pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
I also find it interesting that they all have cameras running as they do it. My guess is that the whole plan was to provoke the response and have it on film. Straight out of Paliwood.
Paranoid CT makes no sense.
| 262 |
makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:20:51pm |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
They you'll hate this...
Protesters Goin' Down![Video]
Yeah, you're really convincing people here.
/
| 263 |
jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:21:26pm |
Gingrich laying out a road map for an executive branch led theocracy.
| 264 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:21:28pm |
re: #258 BishopX
These are classified computers. There is by design an air gap between them and the rest of the world. They don't have internet connections and they don't normally allow external media hookups. This vulnerability is interesting because it's a function of using of the shelf commercial solutions within the drone program.
You don't have to be directly connected to the internet in order to be connected to the internet. That's what Stuxnet basically proved. The internet brings every electronic device on earth in its reach.
| 265 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:21:54pm |
Without saying anything else about anything else (I would need to watch and research more), I did wince to see that the clearest and most professional looking sign in the front page photo of the Occupy Portland March was an anti-Israel sign.
Somehow the homemade ones feel more heart-felt, even if they are sometimes misspelled.
| 266 |
Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:22:33pm |
re: #259 000G
The United States Military relies on anti-virus software companies for security details?
Fuck.
Guess what? The vast majority of US Military systems aren't running on super duper high end secured OSes. Why? Because its cheaper to roll out Windows systems.
| 267 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:22:44pm |
re: #255 Charles
I still don't think anyone should have been beaten. But face the fact: the police set up a line. The protesters counted down and then advanced across that line very aggressively. At that point, it's a little more than civil disobedience.
C'mon. You can't attack police like that. If you were do do that as an indivilual they could legally shoot you for it. They used non lethal response because of the protests but you simply can't attack police like that. A beatdown and pepper spray were completely appropriate.
| 268 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:22:48pm |
re: #264 000G
You don't have to be directly connected to the internet in order to be connected to the internet. That's what Stuxnet basically proved. The internet brings every electronic device on earth in its reach.
My oven? My microwave? They have computer chips in them.
(Just teasing you. I know what you meant.)
| 269 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:23:33pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
KT, he was agreeing with you.
| 270 |
Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:23:54pm |
re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guess what? The vast majority of US Military systems aren't running on super duper high end secured OSes. Why? Because its cheaper to roll out Windows systems.
You know we're really in trouble when you see they're still using IE6.
/
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:24:56pm |
re: #226 Obdicut
The dudes who ran at the police are douchebags for many reasons, not the least of being that the police are middle class and unionized.
And uncritically accepting footage of people getting whomped without knowing the why of their womping is bad. But so is vica-versa; blanket approval of force isn't cool either.
You're never going to get anywhere being all reasonable and even tempered like that.
| 273 |
Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:25:04pm |
re: #270 Simply Sarah
You know we're really in trouble when you see they're still using IE6.
/
They upgraded to 7 just this year.
| 274 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:25:10pm |
re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guess what? The vast majority of US Military systems aren't running on super duper high end secured OSes. Why? Because its cheaper to roll out Windows systems.
It's not even Windows often but some cheap-ass gobbledeegook that only one particular producer can maintain support for, but yeah. I kind of already had an idea about the sad state of affairs when it comes to that.
The NSA should lend out some of their capacities. Let the magic hackers do some dirty work.
| 275 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:25:21pm |
re: #269 EmmmieG
Charles said....
I still don't think anyone should have been beaten.
I disagree with that. Non lethal response of pepper spray and batons was necessary.
| 276 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:25:52pm |
re: #269 EmmmieG
KT, he was agreeing with you.
Not sufficiently enough or with enough passion, apparently.
You're supposed to cheer when cops beat protesters, see. If you don't, you're an apologist and moonbat and a commie simp.
e_e
| 277 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:26:00pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
C'mon. You can't attack police like that. If you were do do that as an indivilual they could legally shoot you for it. They used non lethal response because of the protests but you simply can't attack police like that. A beatdown and pepper spray were completely appropriate.
NYPD has been overreacting to the demonstrations from the start, though. Some of those cops definitely seem to be ready to hurt people.
They should use whatever force is necessary to stop the crowd from advancing. But some of the beatings I've seen on video go pretty far past that point and turn into payback. That's not right.
| 278 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:26:09pm |
re: #259 000G
The United States Military relies on anti-virus software companies for security details?
Fuck.
No..they partner with many Tech companies. MS, Oracle etc..
We got a Virus once at Mare Island and the FBI showed up
| 280 |
William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:27:22pm |
re: #248 celticdragon
If you are fine with that, then your judgment is broke beyond repair.
Protesters being beaten, prisoners being tortured, it's all good times to KT.
| 281 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:27:29pm |
| 282 |
makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:27:37pm |
This Perry guy is a total whack-job.
In response to questions from ThinkProgress about the booing of a gay soldier at the last GOP debate, Jeffress said “there’s good reason for keeping the tradition of not having homosexuals serve in the military.” He made the patently false claim that “70 percent of the gay population” has AIDS. “It’s a fact that it’s a gay disease so there’s a reasonable reason to exclude gays from the military,” he explained, suggesting that gay service members are more likely to spread disease.
If Perry was smart... ahh, fuck it. Nevermind.
| 283 |
webevintage Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:28:16pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
C'mon. You can't attack police like that. If you were do do that as an indivilual they could legally shoot you for it. They used non lethal response because of the protests but you simply can't attack police like that. A beatdown and pepper spray were completely appropriate.
Slowly moving forward against a police line (or against being caged) is considered attacking the police? A beat down is not an appropriate response. How's about the police respond by moving out of the way and letting democracy take place? So what if the crowd advances?
(and I am actually asking questions since I'm not paying near enough attention to this, but cop using Batons always seems wrong unless they are in real danger.)
| 284 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:28:54pm |
re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not sufficiently enough or with enough passion, apparently.
You're supposed to cheer when cops beat protesters, see. If you don't, you're an apologist and moonbat and a commie simp.
e_e
What we need is more violence by police
because that totally solves problems
| 285 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:29:02pm |
re: #229 dragonfire1981
Imagine that he's Hitler,
It isn't hard to do.
A hate filled extremist,
who doesn't like the Jews.Imagine all the Christians...dying by his hands.
Imagine he's just like Stalin,
it's easy if you try,
Children begging in the alleys,
while bombs dance up in the sky.Imagine all the people...forced to become Muslims...
You might say I'm a hater,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope one day you will join me,
and not let Obama take your gun.Imagine he's a commie,
prepared to rob you blind,
You peel back the layers,
amazing what you find.Imagine all the money...he's going to give away...
Imagine no possessions,
Obama took them all.
No true Americans left now,
no one to answer the call.Imagine all the Liberals...running around the states...
Bravo!
| 286 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:29:03pm |
re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not sufficiently enough or with enough passion, apparently.
You're supposed to cheer when cops beat protesters, see. If you don't, you're an apologist and moonbat and a commie simp.
e_e
And...just like clockwork...
re: #275 Killgore Trout
Charles said...
I still don't think anyone should have been beaten.
I disagree with that. Non lethal response of pepper spray and batons was necessary.
But it's these thousands of protesters in 500 cities, and lefty sites, who have the violent streak.
/rotfl
| 287 |
makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:29:41pm |
re: #280 wlewisiii
Protesters being beaten, prisoners being tortured, it's all good times to KT.
Recusancy nailed it. Violence porn.
| 288 |
celticdragon Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:30:08pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
C'mon. You can't attack police like that. If you were do do that as an indivilual they could legally shoot you for it. They used non lethal response because of the protests but you simply can't attack police like that. A beatdown and pepper spray were completely appropriate.
What attack?
What the fuck are you taking about? Did somebody actually try to assault an officer? I didn't see it. Were officers kicked or pepper sprayed?
I really have serious doubts about your ability to distinguish between the role of law enforcement and that of the judiciary. The police are not there to give "beat downs" because you piss them off. There are there to keep the peace and enforce the law, not to punish. Your pleasure in seeing people get hurt whom you dislike for political reasons smacks of sadism and does not speak well for your character, I regret to say.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:30:48pm |
I guess the signs and action of this rally are part of why I don't do much political protesting anymore. Last real rally I went to was the Jon Stewart one last fall which was fun because it was good-natured. I went to a few anti Iraq war rallies in the Bush years in D.C and man I hated how instead of being about Iraq it turned in to soapboxes about Mumia al-Jamal(I'm anti DP staunchly now as I was then) and anti Israel crap which really pissed me off since Israel scapegoating ticks me off. The best true political rally I've ever been to though had to been a Save Darfur rally in 2006 that spring. Got to see Maunte Bol (man was that a tall dude) and the then archbishop of the D.C Archidiocese, Theodore McCarrick, who I respect more than most high Catholic clergy since he's not a jerk to pro choice Catholic politicians who want to get communion amongst other things. I was down in D.C last night not for the rally but having dinner with a friend. Now I may be going to a pro choice rally in Richmond next week but part of that will be socially motivated and I think that crowd will be a little saner too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:31:38pm |
re: #284 WindUpBird
What we need is more violence by police
because that totally solves problems
And works so well for instilling proper respect for authority.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:33:06pm |
re: #286 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And...just like clockwork...
re: #275 Killgore Trout
I disagree with that. Non lethal response of pepper spray and batons was necessary.
But it's these thousands of protesters in 500 cities, and lefty sites, who have the violent streak.
/rotfl
My friends in Portland who are probably at the Portland event will be surprised to learn that a guy on the internet has magically made them into rich trust fund marxists
Me, i'm going downtown to protest in favor of more foreclosures! Because i WON'T REST UNTIL ALL OF OREGON IS OWNED BY BANK OF AMERICA
STOP THE CREEPING SHARIA MARXIST THREAT, THE MARXISTS ARE EVERYWHERE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:33:36pm |
re: #288 celticdragon
re: #288 celticdragon
What attack?
What the fuck are you taking about? Did somebody actually try to assault an officer? I didn't see it. Were officers kicked or pepper sprayed?
I really have serious doubts about your ability to distinguish between the role of law enforcement and that of the judiciary. The police are not there to give "beat downs" because you piss them off. There are there to keep the peace and enforce the law, not to punish. Your pleasure in seeing people get hurt whom you dislike for political reasons smacks of sadism and does not speak well for your character, I regret to say.
Aww, now where's the vindication against lefty sites in that?
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prairiefire Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:33:51pm |
Actual violence overall in our culture is down.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:33:57pm |
re: #290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And works so well for instilling proper respect for authority.
I know I trust law enforcement more when they beat up women
it's very professional and effective
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:34:26pm |
re: #287 makeitstop
Recusancy nailed it. Violence porn.
I missed that earlier comment, but yeah, Recusancy is correct.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:34:44pm |
re: #288 celticdragon
What attack?
What the fuck are you taking about? Did somebody actually try to assault an officer? I didn't see it. Were officers kicked or pepper sprayed?
I really have serious doubts about your ability to distinguish between the role of law enforcement and that of the judiciary.
Judge Dredd! I love that comic! I wish America was more like that!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:35:05pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:38:06pm |
re: #291 WindUpBird
STOP THE CREEPING
SHARIAZIONISTNEGRO SOVIET REPUBLICSODOMY RECRUITMENTMARXIST THREAT, THE MARXISTS ARE EVERYWHERE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS
fxd
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:38:11pm |
re: #229 dragonfire1981
Seriously, that is so great that I need to repost it in wingnut:
Imagine that he's Hitler,
It isn't hard to do.
A hate filled extremist,
who doesn't like the Jews.Imagine all the Christians...dying by his hands.
Imagine he's just like Stalin,
it's easy if you try,
Children begging in the alleys,
while bombs dance in the sky.Imagine all the people...forced to become Muslims...
You might say I'm a hater,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope one day you will join me,
and not let Obama take your gun.Imagine he's a commie,
prepared to rob you blind,
You peel back the layers,
amazing what you find.Imagine all the money...he's going to give away...
Imagine no possessions,
Obama took them all.
No true Americans left now,
no one to answer the call.Imagine all the Liberals...running around the states...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:38:18pm |
Here's the photo. I'm trying to figure out why a protest against banker greed should include anti-Semitism.
Unless, of course, someone is engaging in gross prejudice and stereotyping.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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Political Atheist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:38:37pm |
re: #206 wlewisiii
Bet it's based on STUXNET. Uncle put really really sophisticated anti-hardware code out into the wild. I'm only surprised that it took this long for it to rebound against us.
The article said it's a key logger, not crash and disable kind of thing. Thank heavens.
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webevintage Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:38:52pm |
re: #293 prairiefire
Actual violence overall in our culture is down.
I heard that on NPR today. Wish I could remember the name of the author/book they were discussing.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:39:32pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:39:45pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:40:34pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I guess he learned his lesson from when he had to walk back his "you don't have a heart" comment. Judge not lest ye be judged by your fellow Republicans!
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Political Atheist Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:40:45pm |
re: #255 Charles
I still don't think anyone should have been beaten. But face the fact: the police set up a line. The protesters counted down and then advanced across that line very aggressively. At that point, it's a little more than civil disobedience.
I think it's fair to look at that as an assault on police officers.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:41:02pm |
re: #301 EmmmieG
I'm doing a post on this, this weekend, about the absurdity of ANSWER, the "end the occupation" types, now calling for occupation.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:43:02pm |
re: #305 HoosierHoops
Better yet...BTW..He sang Revolution on his back in the studio...
[Video]
Possibly my favorite Lennon song. Gotta love Harrison's grinding guitar and the mixing mistake that gave us "evoJEWtion." If Jews are, in fact, the most evolved among us, it's a mixed bag for me; I'm more evolved than most people, but I'm also less evolved than some in my own family. Wait...what am I talking about?
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:43:25pm |
what a bunch of whiners...you fuck with cops, they beat you and no amt of complaining is gonna change that...these people want to get beaten and at that it's hardly what they could expect in a back ally....pretty mild stuff
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:44:00pm |
re: #301 EmmmieG
Should also add: The classic bait-and-switch is how ANSWER works. Start up a protest on one issue then...anti-Israel creep. It's exactly what happened in San Francisco 01-02.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:44:08pm |
Bad joke for the day:
You know how they say when you die, you see your whole life flash you by? That didn't happen for Steve Jobs.
Apple doesn't support Flash.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:44:43pm |
re: #310 albusteve
the problem being that if you're NEAR people fucking with cops they'll often beat your ass.
also... they seriously shouldn't do that, we should hold authorities to a HIGHER level than everyone else, not a lower.
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Gepetto Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:44:58pm |
That's kind of misleading. Obama did not just wag the finger, he is advocating stronger legislation.
government is not supposed to legislate morality. As the President said, these are immoral acts.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:45:03pm |
re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bad joke for the day:
You know how they say when you die, you see your whole life flash you by? That didn't happen for Steve Jobs.
Apple doesn't support Flash.
Yeah, that's bad. Still got a chuckle out of me, though.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:45:43pm |
re: #310 albusteve
what a bunch of whiners...you fuck with cops, they beat you and no amt of complaining is gonna change that...these people want to get beaten and at that it's hardly what they could expect in a back ally...pretty mild stuff
e_e
"Hey, I think she wants me."
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:45:59pm |
re: #310 albusteve
what a bunch of whiners...you fuck with cops, they beat you and no amt of complaining is gonna change that...these people want to get beaten and at that it's hardly what they could expect in a back ally...pretty mild stuff
In the Values Voters' wet dreams, back alleys are used exclusively for cops to beat up brown people and liberals, and sluts to die trying to give themselves abortions.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:46:20pm |
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:47:05pm |
re: #301 EmmmieG
at risk of getting in trouble, probably because not agreeing with Israel's policies or even making comparisons you don't like isn't automatically Antisemetic :p
Also, people with interests totally unrelated to the protests seem to be loving the chance to get them some camera time.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:47:51pm |
re: #317 Atlas Fails
In the Values Voters' wet dreams, back alleys are used exclusively for cops to beat up brown people* and liberals, and sluts to die trying to give themselves abortions.
*White hippie n*****-loving student commies, too. That sort of thing can get one killed.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:48:05pm |
re: #314 Gepetto
government is not supposed to legislate morality. As the President said, these are immoral acts.
Now you're just trolling.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:48:36pm |
re: #319 windsagio
at risk of getting in trouble, probably because not agreeing with Israel's policies or even making comparisons you don't like isn't automatically Antisemetic :p
Also, people with interests totally unrelated to the protests seem to be loving the chance to get them some camera time.
My favorite protestor at the WTO in Seattle was the Ramone's fan with the "Gabba Gabba Hey" sign.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:48:52pm |
re: #314 Gepetto
I'm glad you've finally worked up the courage to join a live thread instead of lurking in the basement.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:48:53pm |
re: #313 windsagio
the problem being that if you're NEAR people fucking with cops they'll often beat your ass.
also... they seriously shouldn't do that, we should hold authorities to a HIGHER level than everyone else, not a lower.
whiner, like I said...there is no reason to be beaten by a cop unless you don't mind....your logic isn't
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:49:23pm |
re: #311 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Should also add: The classic bait-and-switch is how ANSWER works. Start up a protest on one issue then...anti-Israel creep. It's exactly what happened in San Francisco 01-02.
I am currently trying to be fair and look at more photos than just that. I can't read the signs in a lot of them, but most do seem to be anti-wealth.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:49:29pm |
re: #324 albusteve
whiner, like I said...there is no reason to be beaten by a cop unless you don't mind...your logic isn't
somebody needs to tune this chatbot, its breaking down.
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Gepetto Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:49:40pm |
re: #318 Obdicut
I am heartened by the President citing the peoples desire to get back to "good old-fashioned American values." as cited by 000G.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:50:02pm |
re: #302 Rightwingconspirator
The article said it's a key logger, not crash and disable kind of thing. Thank heavens.
Butbutbut it's so much fun to jump to conclusions! ///
glad to be wrong.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:50:21pm |
So CERN discovers a particle that can go faster than the Speed of light..
Man it is big news and has all the Geeks freaked out...And Joking
Bartender: We don't serve your Kind!
Neutrino enters a bar..
________
If you don't get it thank the lawd you aren't a geek
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:50:49pm |
re: #317 Atlas Fails
In the Values Voters' wet dreams, back alleys are used exclusively for cops to beat up brown people and liberals, and sluts to die trying to give themselves abortions.
I'd also like to clarify that the above comment wasn't directed toward steve, although I do disagree with his position. I just couldn't let a perfectly good back alley reference go to waste on a thread about the Values Voter Summit.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:50:54pm |
re: #301 EmmmieG
Here's the photo. I'm trying to figure out why a protest against banker greed should include anti-Semitism.
Unless, of course, someone is engaging in gross prejudice and stereotyping.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
That photo is kinda like "Where's Antizionist Waldo?".
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:50:56pm |
re: #325 EmmmieG
I am currently trying to be fair and look at more photos than just that. I can't read the signs in a lot of them, but most do seem to be anti-wealth.
I guess that's what makes me different from them. As someone from an upper middle class household, I'd like to see more people get the chances I have: go to college, get a degree, etc. Hardly radical but also why I don't relate to the far left who seem to think being rich means you're a bad person.
| 333 |
Gepetto Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:50:56pm |
re: #323 BishopX
the last thread I commented on was in the middle when I started.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:51:24pm |
re: #329 HoosierHoops
So CERN discovers a particle that can go faster than the Speed of light..
Man it is big news and has all the Geeks freaked out...And Joking
Bartender: We don't serve your Kind!
Neutrino enters a bar..
___
If you don't get it thank the lawd you aren't a geek
Hoosier, why don't you give us a geek joke to liven up the thread?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:53:04pm |
re: #301 EmmmieG
Here's the photo. I'm trying to figure out why a protest against banker greed should include anti-Semitism.
Unless, of course, someone is engaging in gross prejudice and stereotyping.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
Come to think of it, that's actually two antizionist signs next to each other. $5 that BDS refers to this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:53:34pm |
re: #332 HappyWarrior
I guess that's what makes me different from them. As someone from an upper middle class household, I'd like to see more people get the chances I have: go to college, get a degree, etc. Hardly radical but also why I don't relate to the far left who seem to think being rich means you're a bad person.
wow what a massive misunderstanding of whats going on here.
Being rich doesn't make you bad, but it does (if you're truly rich, and I doubt anybody posting on here is) give you massively unreasonable power and influence in the government, and there's a pattern of people/organizations using that influence to further their own ends at the cost of the less-rich and in fact the nation as a whole.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:53:39pm |
re: #332 HappyWarrior
I guess that's what makes me different from them. As someone from an upper middle class household, I'd like to see more people get the chances I have: go to college, get a degree, etc. Hardly radical but also why I don't relate to the far left who seem to think being rich means you're a bad person.
My husband was lower middle class, and he has a degree from an expensive school. Anyone can go to college; they just have to be willing to pay off sometimes silly loans.
This is why art history majors usually have rich parents. Kids from poorer families have to get degrees that will pay back their loans, like engineering.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:54:31pm |
re: #308 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm doing a post on this, this weekend, about the absurdity of ANSWER, the "end the occupation" types, now calling for occupation.
Please do.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:54:34pm |
This particular mask now gives me a rash:
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:54:50pm |
re: #336 windsagio
wow what a massive misunderstanding of whats going on here.
Being rich doesn't make you bad, but it does (if you're truly rich, and I doubt anybody posting on here is) give you massively unreasonable power and influence in the government, and there's a pattern of people/organizations using that influence to further their own ends at the cost of the less-rich and in fact the nation as a whole.
I am talking about the far left nutters not everyone who is at these rallies. I agree with everything you are saying but I do get annoyed with far left rhetoric.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:55:11pm |
re: #341 HappyWarrior
find me somebody actively saying that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:55:43pm |
re: #325 EmmmieG
I am currently trying to be fair and look at more photos than just that. I can't read the signs in a lot of them, but most do seem to be anti-wealth.
I think they are anti-ripoff rather than anti-wealth. But I also do think the BDS crap is the latest gateway to full-blown antisemitism (for the lw, at least. RWNJ antisemites have their own gates, so to speak.)
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:56:42pm |
re: #336 windsagio
wow what a massive misunderstanding of whats going on here.
Being rich doesn't make you bad, but it does (if you're truly rich, and I doubt anybody posting on here is) give you massively unreasonable power and influence in the government, and there's a pattern of people/organizations using that influence to further their own ends at the cost of the less-rich and in fact the nation as a whole.
therefore fight with cops in NYC....makes perfect sense...except that WS does what it's allowed to do via their minions in DC, the actual culprits in this dustup
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:56:49pm |
re: #335 000G
Come to think of it, that's actually two antizionist signs next to each other. $5 that BDS refers to this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
They both look like ANSWER goonsquad signs to me, but it's hard to tell.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 2:56:49pm |
I'm with this kid:
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:00:30pm |
Signs that I can read list
Enough is Enough
The American Dream is a Nightmare
Wells Fargo stole my Grandma's farm
Stop Killing innocent people
Humanity versus Commodity
Job Growth my ass!
Oh, It's on!
10 years, 4 trillion all for a lie
Hold wall street responsible
(blank)
Stop the war on working people (peace sign)
Vocal Revolution
Fight Greed
US banks + Gov't = Organized Crime
stop corpa"rape"tions greed
We are the 99% lets make it 100 (this one is actually the most creepy to me)
BDS
Stop Funding Israeli apartheid
Gay Voter
Fight Greed
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:00:34pm |
re: #337 EmmmieG
My husband was lower middle class, and he has a degree from an expensive school. Anyone can go to college; they just have to be willing to pay off sometimes silly loans.
This is why art history majors usually have rich parents. Kids from poorer families have to get degrees that will pay back their loans, like engineering.
yes, this sounds right. My major is history. My education has been very liberal arts driven. My mom whom was lower middle class was a business major and wants me to use my degree to get something stable and well paying.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:01:20pm |
Geez, people. Spontaneous does not mean completely unprepared:
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:01:29pm |
re: #345 albusteve
looks like the technicians have got you back online and almost fully functional!
Congrats!
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:02:00pm |
re: #350 EmmmieG
that guy looks like he's having a good time.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:02:36pm |
re: #350 EmmmieG
Geez, people. Spontaneous does not mean completely unprepared:
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
Looks like they're on the 'economy sign' plan.
/
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:02:55pm |
re: #335 000G
Come to think of it, that's actually two antizionist signs next to each other. $5 that BDS refers to this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Thanks, I thought a Bush Derangement Syndrome reference was highly unlikely.
/bone density scanner?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:03:05pm |
re: #342 windsagio
find me somebody actively saying that.
Actually, the morality judgments are placed on those who aren't well to do or wealthy.
It's been the norm in this generation since the white conservatives latched on to the welfare-mothers-runining-the-economny baloney. And even that dates back to Reconstruction.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:03:08pm |
re: #351 windsagio
looks like the technicians have got you back online and almost fully functional!
Congrats!
snide hostility is your MO when you're disputed...and it's not even funny but keep trying if you need
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:03:12pm |
Can't tell if Fedora guy is dressing like a banker for irony, or if this is how he dresses every day.
It's Portland, could go either way.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:03:19pm |
re: #342 windsagio
find me somebody actively saying that.
Didn't Roseanne Barr say some pretty crazy shit? Man I am generally sympathetic with the protesters but if she said what I read she said about beheading bankers and crap like that. That's nonsense. I think most of us here agree the system needs reformed and reformed big, and Wall Street deregulation is a problem but rhetoric like that turns me off.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:03:49pm |
re: #337 EmmmieG
Your husband also isn't an eighteen year old applying to college now. The admissions rules have changed drastically over the last decade. It's much, much harder to get into a good school (by a factor of 3 to 10, depending on the school).
Case and point, a friend of my cousin was the Valedictorian of his high school, a three season star athlete, good SAT scores, a couple of AP courses and turned wooden bowls in his spare time. He applied to every Ivy League school, got into none of them. Which isn't surprising given that most of them have admissions rates between 6 and 12 percent.
To be a competitive applicant these days to a good school you need a whole bunch of extracurricular activities in addition to the standard good grades and test scores. That costs serious money, both in terms of fees and in terms of lost job opportunities. Most teenagers with summer jobs end up penalized in admissions these days because they weren't spending their time doing something "constructive".
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:04:20pm |
re: #356 albusteve
na I'm just still snickering that your first response to me just kind of petered out mid sentence as if your batteries had run out or something.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:04:35pm |
No, no, no, no, no. The elk did nothing to hurt you. Take that out of its ear, or nostril, or wherever you put it.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:04:40pm |
re: #349 HappyWarrior
yes, this sounds right. My major is history. My education has been very liberal arts driven. My mom whom was lower middle class was a business major and wants me to use my degree to get something stable and well paying.
Yeah, my mom was a child of the depression who wanted me to do the same thing. Then I went to work for the federal government. Heh. I think she never really forgave me for that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:04:45pm |
re: #277 Charles
NYPD has been overreacting to the demonstrations from the start, though. Some of those cops definitely seem to be ready to hurt people.
They should use whatever force is necessary to stop the crowd from advancing. But some of the beatings I've seen on video go pretty far past that point and turn into payback. That's not right.
These are the same ilk that show up to the G20 riots. Violent Marxists and anarchists looking to instigate conflicts with police. I have no sympathy for them and shouldn't be allowed to run around the city, shut down streets, bridges and attack police at will.
If the police violate proceedure there are mechanisms to deal with and I woulnd't trust the edited videos the leftists are circulating on youtube. They lie every bit as much as Breitbart.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:05:01pm |
re: #355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It goes hand in hand with 'white people are the REAL victims of prejudice!'
| 365 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:05:04pm |
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:05:23pm |
Running water for illegal aliens in Alabama is now a felony
under one provision of the state’s immigration law, HB 56, it is a felony for an undocumented immigrant to even attempt to do business with Alabama’s state-run water agencies:
An alien not lawfully present in the United States shall not enter into or attempt to enter into a business transaction with the state or a political subdivision of the state and no person shall enter into a business transaction or attempt to enter into a business transaction on behalf of an alien not lawfully present in the United States. [...]
A violation of this section is a Class C felony.
In Alabama, Class C felonies are punishable by up to ten years in prison — meaning that undocumented people in Alabama can now be locked up for an entire decade if they attempt to take a bath in their own home.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:06:24pm |
re: #349 HappyWarrior
yes, this sounds right. My major is history. My education has been very liberal arts driven. My mom whom was lower middle class was a business major and wants me to use my degree to get something stable and well paying.
U.S. history/poly sci major here. My parents aren't rich but they never struggled to make ends meet. My dad, however, grew up in a low-income family (I hesitate to call them poor, since there was always food on the table). I'm hoping to get into law school. If not, I'll have to become one of those insidious parasites, otherwise known as teachers.
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:06:47pm |
re: #357 EmmmieG
Can't tell if Fedora guy is dressing like a banker for irony, or if this is how he dresses every day.
It's Portland, could go either way.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
The baloney sandwich kinda gives him away. I'm going for irony.
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Cinnabar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:07:29pm |
Somewhere on the interwebs (I don't remember where) there's a headline: "Is Cain Able?" Wish I'd thought of that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:07:42pm |
re: #361 EmmmieG
No, no, no, no, no. The elk did nothing to hurt you. Take that out of its ear, or nostril, or wherever you put it.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
Freedom boogers!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:07:48pm |
re: #364 windsagio
It's not fair, saying I have to be fair!!!
How will I ever get a leg up on everyone else that way!
Poor me!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:08:22pm |
re: #358 HappyWarrior
Didn't Roseanne Barr say some pretty crazy shit? Man I am generally sympathetic with the protesters but if she said what I read she said about beheading bankers and crap like that. That's nonsense. I think most of us here agree the system needs reformed and reformed big, and Wall Street deregulation is a problem but rhetoric like that turns me off.
I know Roseanne Barr is my designated go-to-girl for determining the progressive zeitgeist.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:09:15pm |
re: #373 goddamnedfrank
I know Roseanne Barr is my designated go-to-girl for determining the progressive zeitgeist.
Well I am just saying there are crazy speakers at these things. I don't disagree with most of the (the people protesting Wall Street's) goals but that rhetoric is stupid.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:09:51pm |
Oh, and look, Alabama's agriculture industry is worried about going tits up.
Alabama Official Suggests Using Prisoners As Farm Workers After Immigration Law Scares Away Laborers
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:10:07pm |
re: #374 HappyWarrior
Well I am just saying there are crazy speakers at these things. I don't disagree with most of their goals but that rhetoric is stupid.
It's Roseanne. She was going for the cheap laugh, like she's done her whole career.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:10:35pm |
Can anyone tell me what flag this is? So far all I can find is Lesotho, and I have no earthly idea why their flag would be at this demonstration.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:10:45pm |
re: #376 makeitstop
It's Roseanne. She was going for the cheap laugh, like she's done her whole career.
Yeah I don't remember her show that well.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:10:50pm |
re: #373 goddamnedfrank
I know Roseanne Barr is my designated go-to-girl for determining the progressive insane zeitgeist.
Fixed that.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:10:54pm |
re: #375 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh, and look, Alabama's agriculture industry is worried about going tits up.
Alabama Official Suggests Using Prisoners As Farm Workers After Immigration Law Scares Away Laborers
lift that rock, build that wall....maybe it will revive country blues
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:11:32pm |
re: #377 EmmmieG
Can anyone tell me what flag this is? So far all I can find is Lesotho, and I have no earthly idea why their flag would be at this demonstration.
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
Thats the US flag, duh.
/
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:12:00pm |
re: #368 Atlas Fails
U.S. history/poly sci major here. My parents aren't rich, and my dad grew up in a low-income family (I hesitate to call them poor, since there was always food on the table). I'm hoping to get into law school. If not, I'll have to become one of those insidious parasites, otherwise known as teachers.
Yeah there are exceptions of course. I think I am a rare history major who has no desire to teach. I respect teachers but teaching would be a horrible fit for me.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:12:04pm |
re: #377 EmmmieG
Cascadia separatists: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:13:19pm |
re: #362 allegro
Yeah, my mom was a child of the depression who wanted me to do the same thing. Then I went to work for the federal government. Heh. I think she never really forgave me for that.
Ha what's funny about that is my mom is a government lifer and her parents like your mom were children of the depression. She's been very successful in what she does. The government as a career kind of appeals to me but it doesn't seem to have geographic flexibility unless I went to work for State and I hear the foreign service exam is mega hard.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:13:36pm |
More antisemitism from the Wall street protesters.....
Interview with anti-Jewish protester pt 1
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:14:55pm |
Give in to my demands, or I will make you laugh until you pee your pants.
Actually, I can figure out what the gas mask is for, and the costume is probably padding. But still, couldn't you have gone as something a little less, um...
[Link: photos.oregonlive.com...]
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:15:03pm |
re: #382 HappyWarrior
Yeah there are exceptions of course. I think I am a rare history major who has no desire to teach. I respect teachers but teaching would be a horrible fit for me.
You should look into getting a doctorate (if you haven't already) and applying for a job as a professor somewhere. Less stress, fewer responsibilities, and better pay than high school teachers.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:15:18pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:16:23pm |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
More antisemitism from the Wall street protesters...
Interview with anti-Jewish protester pt 1[Video]
"President Obama is a Jewish puppet"
Imagine how outraged we'd be if a Tea Partier gave that same speech.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:17:33pm |
re: #383 jaunte
Cascadia separatists: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Lol, I didn't click the link at first because I thought you were joking.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:18:07pm |
re: #387 Atlas Fails
You should look into getting a doctorate (if you haven't already) and applying for a job as a professor somewhere. Less stress, fewer responsibilities, and better pay than high school teachers.
Need my masters before I can even dream of getting a doctorate. I don't know though. Teaching wouldn't be a good fit for me which is funny with my Asperger's since we're jokingly called "little professors". I am getting a minor in English though. Wouldn't mind writing. I am truth be told too shy to be a good teacher and I think I would be too liberal a grader. I've got a weakness for sympathy.
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:18:15pm |
re: #384 HappyWarrior
Ha what's funny about that is my mom is a government lifer and her parents like your mom were children of the depression. She's been very successful in what she does. The government as a career kind of appeals to me but it doesn't seem to have geographic flexibility unless I went to work for State and I hear the foreign service exam is mega hard.
Working for the gov can open some very interesting doors. After a few years with the Fish & Wildlife Service, I had offers from the military, multiple universities, and the Peace Corp begged me to sign up to lead some programs in the country of my choice... as long as that country was yanno, third world.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:18:29pm |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
"President Obama is a Jewish puppet"
Imagine how outraged we'd be if a Tea Partier gave that same speech.
and he quotes the Bible for effect...double whammy
a twofer!
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:18:31pm |
re: #388 EmmmieG
Oh, complete loons, then.
Hey now Cascadia seperatists kick ass!
You can't say you haven't thought about it >>
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:19:04pm |
re: #390 Killgore Trout
Looks like sort of a cross between the Second Vermont Republic people and the Conch Republic down in the Florida keys.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:19:12pm |
re: #394 windsagio
Hey now Cascadia seperatists kick ass!
You can't say you haven't thought about it >>
No, actually, I haven't.
I did enjoy my vacation to Vancouver & Victoria, though.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:19:21pm |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
"President Obama is a Jewish puppet"
Imagine how outraged we'd be if a Tea Partier gave that same speech.
I'll hold my outrage until the OWS starts running congressional candidates saying it.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:19:36pm |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
"President Obama is a Jewish puppet"
Imagine how outraged we'd be if a Tea Partier gave that same speech.
You make good points KG. I was leaning toward supporting these protesters, as I believed (and still do believe) that most are good people with legitimate gripes, but I'm wary of any movement that welcomes lunatics like this.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:20:06pm |
re: #392 allegro
Working for the gov can open some very interesting doors. After a few years with the Fish & Wildlife Service, I had offers from the military, multiple universities, and the Peace Corp begged me to sign up to lead some programs in the country of my choice... as long as that country was yanno, third world.
Yeah my mom started out at the labor department as a secretary, worked at USGS at DoI for a while. and is now at one of the defense agencies. My dream is to work for the state department and work as an adviser in regards to Europe. I don't have an official concentration for my degree but I have taken a ton of modern European history courses over the years.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:20:22pm |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
That guy is an asshole. If the occupy movements can't sanitize people like that, if they can't make it clear those opinions are rejected, then it's fair to say people expressing those opinions are welcome at the Occupy spaces.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:22:47pm |
So, here's what we have after 3 weeks of OWS:
1) Radical Marxist, Leninist and Anarchist organizers with a history of antisemitism.
2) Statements and signs supporting communism, advocating violence, condemning Jews
3) violent attacks on police
Makes the Tea Party look pretty reasonable in comparison.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:23:29pm |
re: #400 Obdicut
That guy is an asshole. If the occupy movements can't sanitize people like that, if they can't make it clear those opinions are rejected, then it's fair to say people expressing those opinions are welcome at the Occupy spaces.
who's gonna do that?....interview each protestor?
you can't 'sanitize' a protest
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:24:39pm |
re: #400 Obdicut
are you talking about the homeless guy that's going blind?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:25:10pm |
re: #400 Obdicut
That guy is an asshole. If the occupy movements can't sanitize people like that, if they can't make it clear those opinions are rejected, then it's fair to say people expressing those opinions are welcome at the Occupy spaces.
The main organizers (adbusters) has a history of antisemitism.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:25:54pm |
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:26:03pm |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
Makes the Tea Party look pretty reasonable in comparison.
Oh you do not believe that. Please.
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jaunte Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:26:30pm |
re: #404 windsagio
It sounds like he still sees Jews everywhere.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:27:17pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:27:27pm |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
We also have a lot of Not That, though.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:27:38pm |
re: #402 albusteve
who's gonna do that?...interview each protestor?
you can't 'sanitize' a protest
Exactly.
Protests like this are going to bring out people who want to piggy-back their cause onto a protest that's getting news coverage.
'Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd...' Dave Pirner said that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:27:39pm |
re: #403 windsagio
Communism is a red herring.
I can't even begin to compile the list of Marxist/Troksyite/Lennist groups involved in organizing these protests. There are at least a dozen that I've come across so far.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:28:25pm |
re: #402 albusteve
who's gonna do that?...interview each protestor?
you can't 'sanitize' a protest
I heard one protester with a cool knit hat talking about The ratio of lower-quality subprime mortgages originated rose from the historical 8% or lower range to approximately 20% from 2004-2006, with much higher ratios in some parts of the U.S. A high percentage of these subprime mortgages, over 90% in 2006 for example, were adjustable-rate mortgages These two changes were part of a broader trend of lowered lending standards and higher-risk mortgage products. Further, U.S. households had become increasingly indebted, with the ratio of debt to disposable personal income rising from 77% in 1990 to 127% at the end of 2007, much of this increase mortgage-related.
Then he said F*ck Wall Street...
/
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:28:53pm |
re: #407 allegro
Oh you do not believe that. Please.
He really wants to believe it. Anything to make the TP look less crazy than they always have.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:29:18pm |
re: #412 makeitstop
Exactly.
Protests like this are going to bring out people who want to piggy-back their cause onto a protest that's getting news coverage.
'Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd...' Dave Pirner said that.
sure, and 20% of the protestors are probably selling weed...I love America
| 417 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:29:45pm |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
way to TOTALLY MISS a funny movie reference.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:29:56pm |
re: #416 albusteve
sure, and 20% of the protestors are probably selling weed...I love America
What good is a protest without some good herb?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:30:57pm |
re: #407 allegro
Oh you do not believe that. Please.
I do. I was one of the lead voices condemning the tea party, researching the organizers and groups involved. You might not like it but I think I have a fairly well informed opinion.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:31:23pm |
re: #415 makeitstop
He really wants to believe it. Anything to make the TP look less crazy than they always have.
wrong...KT calls it exactly the way he sees it, always has....he's the last person here, besides me, with an agenda
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:31:47pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:32:31pm |
re: #420 albusteve
wrong...KT calls it exactly the way he sees it, always has...he's the last person here, besides me, with an agenda
Actually, I think your grumpy nihilist pessimism is rubbing off on me.
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:32:44pm |
re: #419 Killgore Trout
I do. I was one of the lead voices condemning the tea party, researching the organizers and groups involved. You might not like it but I think I have a fairly well informed opinion.
So the policies of the Tea party are better than those who want to see more equity and fairness with a diminishment of the bank/gov marriage?
| 425 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:32:51pm |
re: #418 makeitstop
What good is a protest without some good herb?
one guy made over $5k selling Grateful Dead boots at the antiCap rally...
not really
| 426 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:33:10pm |
re: #424 allegro
Because they're a front for the communist takeover of America!
| 427 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:33:20pm |
re: #423 windsagio
He's just insane.
(on this subject)
no he isn't, but you might be by your own standards
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:33:33pm |
OT but it's funny, when I was first assigned my big 20-25 page thesis paper at the beginning of the semester, I was worried about how I would be able to write that much. But now I think I exceed my limit. Just got done reading and writing some interesting stuff about the Romanovs and Anti-Semitism.
| 429 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:34:06pm |
It just occurred to me that most of today's lizards did not go through the Tea Party debates back when LGF was a "right wing" blog. You guys have no clue.
| 430 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:34:06pm |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
Actually, I think your grumpy nihilist pessimism is rubbing off on me.
there's no cure either
| 431 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:34:36pm |
re: #427 albusteve
looking at protesters from the POV of a Orange County in 1960 is certainly eccentric, if nothing else.
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bratwurst Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:35:14pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:35:22pm |
re: #424 allegro
So the policies of the Tea party are better than those who want to see more equity and fairness with a diminishment of the bank/gov marriage?
I wouldn't mind discussing it but that question was too loaded to be a reasonable starting place.
| 434 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:35:34pm |
TP discussion wasn't in 2007, and it was already pretty lefty by then.
And at least half the people on here now were there then.
Edit: by the time we were discussing the TP. LGF had pretty much universal scorn of them.
| 435 |
engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:36:45pm |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
So, here's what we have after 3 weeks of OWS:
1) Radical Marxist, Leninist and Anarchist organizers with a history of antisemitism.
2) Statements and signs supporting communism, advocating violence, condemning Jews
3) violent attacks on policeMakes the Tea Party look pretty reasonable in comparison.
get an eye exam
| 436 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:36:59pm |
re: #434 windsagio
TP discussion wasn't in 2007, and it was already pretty lefty by then.
And at least half the people on here now were there then.
So lefty that Charles endorsed McCain-Palin.
| 437 |
blueraven Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:38:06pm |
#385 Killgore Trout
More antisemitism from the Wall street protesters...
Interview with anti-Jewish protester pt 1[Video]
KT, isnt that is the same guy that was posted about yesterday in the filthy shirt? He is a fucking idiot. But the crowd around his rant was scoffing at him and arguing with him.
| 439 |
engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:38:29pm |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
So, here's what we have after 3 weeks of OWS:
1) Radical Marxist, Leninist and Anarchist organizers with a history of antisemitism.
2) Statements and signs supporting communism, advocating violence, condemning Jews
3) violent attacks on policeMakes the Tea Party look pretty reasonable in comparison.
so you're in favor of the wall st bailout now?
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:39:18pm |
re: #437 blueraven
KT, isnt that is the same guy that was posted about yesterday in the filthy shirt? He is a fucking idiot. But the crowd around his rant was scoffing at him and arguing with him.
We're getting reruns already?
That was one damned short season!
/
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:40:21pm |
re: #431 windsagio
looking at protesters from the POV of a Orange County in 1960 is certainly eccentric, if nothing else.
what's that supposed to mean?...I'm not looking at protestors, I question their target, and their propensity to induce violence against themselves
| 442 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:41:11pm |
re: #434 windsagio
TP discussion wasn't in 2007, and it was already pretty lefty by then.
And at least half the people on here now were there then.
wrong timeline....need to visit the archines
| 443 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:43:45pm |
steve; meant KT and his hilarious 'OH MY GOD COMMUNISTS ARE BEHIND IT!' rhetoric. To reuse a comparison from yesterday, thats McCarthy/J.Edgar Hoover stuff, and was used against the Civil Rights Movement too.
and I"d give you the same challenge. Find a pro-TP frontpage article... I'll gladly apologize :p
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:43:59pm |
Well, if they ever do, let's hope the response isn't what they tell us about their nazi/Confederate cotillion dressups and obama-is-a-monkey politicians: you're just oversensitive, get over it, now SHUT UP while we vote away your personal rights.
Only WE are supposed to have those.
-re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'll hold my outrage until the OWS starts running congressional candidates saying it.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:44:34pm |
re: #438 windsagio
in 2009?
Find a frontpage post that was pro-TP. I dare you.
this just exposes you for a lack of understanding what went down
| 446 |
Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:46:08pm |
Look, I'm going to come right out and say it, even at risk of it being extremely unpopular with some people here.
If there are a bunch of Marxists and commies at these rallies pushing their causes? Good! That's exactly what this country needs right now.
Why? Because the right has been able to largely make the population forget what a real left wing looks like. What real communists are. We're a country where center-right is now socialist, far right is moderate, and the "right wing" is now located halfway to Saturn.
Why? Because I credit a huge number of the gains made in the U.S. for workers and labour to socialists and communists. They didn't make the country Marxist, but they helped make it more fair and forced people into changing capitalism to be less exploitative, as that was the only way to stop them.
Why? Because the decline of the middle and working classes and union seems to largely mirror the decline of the radical left in the U.S. Sure, there were a bunch of kooks, but they served as a balance to the far right which has been sorely lacking for years now.
Why? Because people need to be reminded that there are options beyond having a small, vastly powerful, vastly wealthy upper class that largely runs the show. The middle and working class needs to remember that they are the majority and they deserve their fair share.
And if some Marxists waving signs around Wall Street does any of this, well, then I'm damn well OK with it.
| 447 |
HAL2010 Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:46:42pm |
Well it's on now. The pastor, Robert Jeffress, who introduced Rick Perry at the Values Voters Summit, has just opened a can of evangelical whup-ass on Mitt Romney. Here's the money quote:
Jeffress described Romney's Mormon faith as a “cult,” and said evangelicals had only one real option in the 2012 primaries. Continue Reading “That is a mainstream view, that Mormonism is a cult,” Jeffress told reporters here. “Every true, born again follower of Christ ought to embrace a Christian over a non-Christian.” Asked by POLITICO if he believed Romney is a Christian, Jeffress answered: “No.”
| 449 |
BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:49:18pm |
re: #446 Simply Sarah
We need communists to move the Overton Window back towards reality.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:49:55pm |
re: #415 makeitstop
He really wants to believe it. Anything to make the TP look less crazy than they always have.
Killgore wanting to believe things to make the TP look less crazy?
Are you nuts?
| 451 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:50:04pm |
re: #449 BishopX
We need communists to move the Overton Window back towards reality.
they make groovy Christmas ornaments too
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freetoken Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:50:13pm |
re: #446 Simply Sarah
Why? Because I credit a huge number of the gains made in the U.S. for workers and labour to socialists and communists. They didn't make the country Marxist, but they helped make it more fair and forced people into changing capitalism to be less exploitative, as that was the only way to stop them.
It's a testament to FDR's intuition and wisdom that he, an aristocratic scion of a monied family, could see that conditions in the US could not continue unless inequality was addressed in a way to avoid a real social collapse that would have been more fertile ground for the real Leninists.
| 453 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:50:33pm |
re: #446 Simply Sarah
also, the most successful states in the world (not counting bizarre propped up monstrosities like China) are all more than a little Socialist, when you get right down to it.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:51:32pm |
re: #450 reine.de.tout
I honestly think he just has a gut aversion to protests and started from there.
now, with all the blowback he's gotten on the subject its become a 'thing'.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:51:38pm |
re: #450 reine.de.tout
Killgore wanting to believe things to make the TP look less crazy?
Are you nuts?
these KT critics hardly know him....it's all kneejerk, exactly what they aspire to resist
| 457 |
Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:52:15pm |
re: #453 windsagio
also, the most successful states in the world (not counting bizarre propped up monstrosities like China) are all more than a little Socialist, when you get right down to it.
Well, the U.S. is a bit socialist, too. Just not as much as other developed democracies. And becoming less and less so as the social safety net is dismantled.
| 458 |
engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:52:44pm |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
More antisemitism from the Wall street protesters...
Interview with anti-Jewish protester pt 1[Video]
so now if i post a video of an individual at a tea party demo espousing racist views that will justify charges of racism against the whole tea party?
| 459 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:53:25pm |
re: #454 windsagio
I honestly think he just has a gut aversion to protests and started from there.
now, with all the blowback he's gotten on the subject its become a 'thing'.
You may think that, and go ahead and keep thinking it if you wish, but you are wrong. Just wrong. What's going on right now with this and KT is almost exactly the same thing, the same defenses and excuses being made, during the days of KT's anti-tea-party comments. The same.
| 460 |
windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:53:32pm |
re: #457 Simply Sarah
don't you know anything? The solution to all our economic problems is to get RID of our socialism!
| 461 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:53:46pm |
re: #455 albusteve
these KT critics hardly know him...it's all kneejerk, exactly what they aspire to resist
KT is probably the most despised lizard on the stalker blogs. While I disagree with him on a variety of issues, he must be doing something right.
| 462 |
albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:54:10pm |
re: #454 windsagio
I honestly think he just has a gut aversion to protests and started from there.
now, with all the blowback he's gotten on the subject its become a 'thing'.
and I honestly think he doesn't care what you think...your whole antiKT 'thing' is a mumbo jumbo of distortion
| 463 |
makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:55:02pm |
re: #450 reine.de.tout
Killgore wanting to believe things to make the TP look less crazy?
Are you nuts?
Probably, yes. :)
As has been pointed out, I haven't been here long enough to know KT's history as regards the TP, so I'll retract that statement.
Having said that, he does seem to want to see a lefty equivalent to the TP in the Occupy protests. I don't really agree with him on that point.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:55:21pm |
re: #461 Atlas Fails
KT is probably the most despised lizard on the stalker blogs. While I disagree with him on a variety of issues, he must be doing something right.
he does almost everything right...stay tuned
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:55:45pm |
re: #458 engineer dog
Funny thing is, either comparison is actually bad.
You can be perfectly critical of the TP and be 100% right without referring to the Racist Crazies or Dick Armey astroturfers.
In the same way, OWS is quite right despite ANSWER, Adbusters, and homeless crazy anti-semites.
In both cases people use stuff like that (red herrings even, lol) to distract from the core messages of a movement they don't like.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:56:18pm |
re: #463 makeitstop
Probably, yes. :)
As has been pointed out, I haven't been here long enough to know KT's history as regards the TP, so I'll retract that statement.
I knew you would....cool that
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aagcobb Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:56:57pm |
re: #368 Atlas Fails
U.S. history/poly sci major here. My parents aren't rich but they never struggled to make ends meet. My dad, however, grew up in a low-income family (I hesitate to call them poor, since there was always food on the table). I'm hoping to get into law school. If not, I'll have to become one of those insidious parasites, otherwise known as teachers.
Don't go to law school. Seriously. A bunch of schools opened law schools because they are profitable, and now there are a huge number of unemployed lawyers who can't pay their student loans. Get an MBA or degree in accounting or something.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:57:14pm |
re: #446 Simply Sarah
Look, I'm going to come right out and say it, even at risk of it being extremely unpopular with some people here.
If there are a bunch of Marxists and commies at these rallies pushing their causes? Good! That's exactly what this country needs right now.
Why? Because the right has been able to largely make the population forget what a real left wing looks like. What real communists are. We're a country where center-right is now socialist, far right is moderate, and the "right wing" is now located halfway to Saturn.
Why? Because I credit a huge number of the gains made in the U.S. for workers and labour to socialists and communists. They didn't make the country Marxist, but they helped make it more fair and forced people into changing capitalism to be less exploitative, as that was the only way to stop them.
Why? Because the decline of the middle and working classes and union seems to largely mirror the decline of the radical left in the U.S. Sure, there were a bunch of kooks, but they served as a balance to the far right which has been sorely lacking for years now.
Why? Because people need to be reminded that there are options beyond having a small, vastly powerful, vastly wealthy upper class that largely runs the show. The middle and working class needs to remember that they are the majority and they deserve their fair share.
And if some Marxists waving signs around Wall Street does any of this, well, then I'm damn well OK with it.
Excellent post! I'll give you a big upding for honesty and a well stated case. A lot of people are dancing around the issue, trying to pretend that they aren't Marxists or are insignificant or whatever. I find the dishonesty objectionable. I think your post is a more prevailing opinion but a lot of lefties are uncomfortable with openly saying it in mixed company. However, your sentiment is why I'm not overly hopeful in convincing the more lefty LGF that the protests are bad thing. The communists, marxists and anarchists aren't a bug, they're a feature.
I want no part of it but I can understand that many aren't troubled by the more radical elements of the protests.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:57:32pm |
re: #459 reine.de.tout
see 465.
Also, him just being uncomfortable with protests could well apply to the TP protests as well :p
Listen, I understand he's your friend and you don't like people trashing him, but he's said some pretty insane/horrible things in this extended discussion on OWS, and he's doing anything he can to discredit them. He started out hating it well before any of this other info.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:58:37pm |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
So, here's what we have after 3 weeks of OWS:
1) Radical Marxist, Leninist and Anarchist organizers with a history of antisemitism.
2) Statements and signs supporting communism, advocating violence, condemning Jews
3) violent attacks on policeMakes the Tea Party look pretty reasonable in comparison.
That statement would be so much more reasonable if it weren't for Tea Partiers establishing long-term cuddly relationships with nativist militias, white supremacists, anti-abortion militants that terrorize doctors, Christian supremacists, backer of reparitive treatment for gay, sovereign citizens, Neo Confederates, and a Whitman's sampler of racists--up to and including pastors belonging to the Hagee tradition that the Holocaust was intended to make the Jews return to Israel. Shit--their appointed, enthroned spokesperson was Glen Beck.
I have very little nice to say about these protests. I laid out exact why I dislike these kinds of protests many, many posts ago: people present without a strong agenda will be appropriated by those with radical agendas as being in agreement, even when the aggregate nature of the crowd. The Anti-Zionism, Anti-Israel, Anti-Semitism I roundly condemn; if I were present at one of these protests, I'd walk away after some very loud, choice words. That's what I did in 1999. The smorgasbord of Marxists is as inevitable as slugs after rain, and just as annoying...though god help me I know enough of them to understand that most are naive rather than militant. The anarchists genuinely worry me, because they don't care about the crowd they're in any more than they do the people they're protesting...they're just looking for a chance to start something with the authorities.
But what's good for the goose if good for the gander: I have exactly zero truck with gloating over people being injured, armchair authoritarianism, or pornographic self-righteousness. Whether it was called for, by the book, or whatever is an entirely different subject than your presentation of that subject, which is self-indulgent . I will not side with you or support your comments.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:58:51pm |
re: #469 windsagio
see 465.
Also, him just being uncomfortable with protests could well apply to the TP protests as well :p
Listen, I understand he's your friend and you don't like people trashing him, but he's said some pretty insane/horrible things in this extended discussion on OWS, and he's doing anything he can to discredit them. He started out hating it well before any of this other info.
now go clean your room
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:59:28pm |
re: #466 albusteve
I knew you would...cool that
Credit where credit is due. I'll freely admit to my ignorance of Lizard history, and enough people have pointed out KT's early opposition to the TP for me to realize I'm probably wrong there.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 3:59:47pm |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
I can't even begin to compile the list of Marxist/Troksyite/Lennist groups involved in organizing these protests. There are at least a dozen that I've come across so far.
Uh-huh. So you have into your hands a list.
So name them.
Or are we supposed to take your word for it, like all those lefty sites you've been monitoring. e_e
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:00:16pm |
you're trying SO hard to make this a personal fight Steve, it might work if you worked a bit less at it :p
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:00:46pm |
re: #463 makeitstop
Probably, yes. :)
As has been pointed out, I haven't been here long enough to know KT's history as regards the TP, so I'll retract that statement.
Heh.
Then, you are no longer nuts.
:-)
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:01:21pm |
re: #459 reine.de.tout
You may think that, and go ahead and keep thinking it if you wish, but you are wrong. Just wrong. What's going on right now with this and KT is almost exactly the same thing, the same defenses and excuses being made, during the days of KT's anti-tea-party comments. The same.
Well, I can't speak for others, but personally I have no issue with KT having concerns/doubts/not being supportive of the protests. He may even be right about them.
That being said, part of what bothers me is just the way he has generally come off as a bit gleeful at finding stuff that he feels supports his view. It sometimes feels almost, to me, as if he wrote it all off from the start and wants it to match his early negative opinion of it, rather than being disappointed that it seems not to be taking a path he could support.
I'm also a bit uneasy with his seeming enthusiasm towards police actions against the protesters. Now, they may or may not deserve it, but it's hard for me to get behind someone that seems to be cheering violence of any kind, even self defense.
I'm not saying KT is intending to come across this way or that it's the way he feels, but I can only state how he has been coming across to me.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:01:30pm |
re: #473 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in OWS."
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:01:57pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:03:10pm |
re: #469 windsagio
see 465.
Also, him just being uncomfortable with protests could well apply to the TP protests as well :p
Listen, I understand he's your friend and you don't like people trashing him, but he's said some pretty insane/horrible things in this extended discussion on OWS, and he's doing anything he can to discredit them. He started out hating it well before any of this other info.
Killgore's record on this sort of thing is excellent. That's just all there is to it.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:03:14pm |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
More antisemitism from the Wall street protesters...
Interview with anti-Jewish protester pt 1[Video]
That's that nut from the other day. Yknow, the one that was shunned by everyone else... "the Wall street protesters.."? Hardly.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:03:34pm |
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freetoken Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:03:44pm |
Why OWS will fade away...:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:04:30pm |
re: #472 makeitstop
Credit where credit is due. I'll freely admit to my ignorance of Lizard history, and enough people have pointed out KT's early opposition to the TP for me to realize I'm probably wrong there.
Killgore is not into adulation...he's into presenting information to be looked at objectively...of course he has an opinion and generously shares it but he has no political agenda beyond what's right and what isn't, what's smart and what's not...there are very few posters here that are uncommitted to a political party, he's one and I admire him just for that alone
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:04:31pm |
re: #464 albusteve
he does almost everything right...stay tuned
Thanks for the compliment but I'm feeling that my luck has run out on this one. I still think I'm right but I really don't want to relive the Tea Party debates again. Also I don;t think LGF could survive a Killgore victory on OWS. It's a lefty blog and there isn;t really much of a market for a lefty blog that objects to Code Pink or speaking out against Marxists attacking police. Nobody's interested in that. I'll continue to post stuff just for my own entertainment.
To paraphrase Marge Simpson, "One person can make a difference but they probably shouldn't"
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:04:37pm |
re: #465 windsagio
Funny thing is, either comparison is actually bad.
You can be perfectly critical of the TP and be 100% right without referring to the Racist Crazies or Dick Armey astroturfers.
In the same way, OWS is quite right despite ANSWER, Adbusters, and homeless crazy anti-semites.
In both cases people use stuff like that (red herrings even, lol) to distract from the core messages of a movement they don't like.
the koch bros and their ilk are doing everything they can to keep the rank and file of the tea party and OWS from realizing they are on the same side on many issues
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:04:55pm |
re: #476 Simply Sarah
Well, I can't speak for others, but personally I have no issue with KT having concerns/doubts/not being supportive of the protests. He may even be right about them.
That being said, part of what bothers me is just the way he has generally come off as a bit gleeful at finding stuff that he feels supports his view. It sometimes feels almost, to me, as if he wrote it all off from the start and wants it to match his early negative opinion of it, rather than being disappointed that it seems not to be taking a path he could support.
I'm also a bit uneasy with his seeming enthusiasm towards police actions against the protesters. Now, they may or may not deserve it, but it's hard for me to get behind someone that seems to be cheering violence of any kind, even self defense.
I'm not saying KT is intending to come across this way or that it's the way he feels, but I can only state how he has been coming across to me.
He's always been gleeful at finding stuff that supports his view. That's nothing new. I found it helpful to overlook the tone; and just find out for myself.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:04:58pm |
I'm sitting here thinking about the whole anti-Mormon thing at this summit.
I don't think Romney should leave. Why should he let them drive him away? He should also not apologize for his beliefs.
I will be disappointed if nobody else at the conference says something. If I were at a conference, and one of the speakers said anti-Semitic things, I would either reply to it, or leave.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:05:23pm |
re: #474 windsagio
you're trying SO hard to make this a personal fight Steve, it might work if you worked a bit less at it :p
personal?...review your own posts upthread
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:05:31pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:06:47pm |
re: #490 windsagio
Did you see the other one I posted on this thread? It had a cool rockin sound track.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:07:18pm |
Man it really does feel like the old days tho', the circling of the wagons around a beloved long-term member.
Makes me miss Mandy and Brookly Red.
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blueraven Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:08:44pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the compliment but I'm feeling that my luck has run out on this one. I still think I'm right but I really don't want to relive the Tea Party debates again. Also I don;t think LGF could survive a Killgore victory on OWS. It's a lefty blog and there isn;t really much of a market for a lefty blog that objects to Code Pink or speaking out against Marxists attacking police. Nobody's interested in that. I'll continue to post stuff just for my own entertainment.
To paraphrase Marge Simpson, "One person can make a difference but they probably shouldn't"
Oh c'mon KT. How many people here support code pink and Marxism? That's just overly dramatic hyperbole.
I have always respected your opinion and I still do, but you are making this personal for some reason. A Killgore victory on OWS? What does that even mean?
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:09:01pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the compliment but I'm feeling that my luck has run out on this one. I still think I'm right but I really don't want to relive the Tea Party debates again. Also I don;t think LGF could survive a Killgore victory on OWS. It's a lefty blog and there isn;t really much of a market for a lefty blog that objects to Code Pink or speaking out against Marxists attacking police. Nobody's interested in that. I'll continue to post stuff just for my own entertainment.
To paraphrase Marge Simpson, "One person can make a difference but they probably shouldn't"
do whatever you need to, but your sleuth abilities are well known and appreciated...I have to keep pretty quiet in defense or I'm oughta here and I don't want that
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freetoken Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:09:21pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
... It's a lefty blog ...
With this I disagree.
At least since I've been here, this little corner of the blog-o-sphere has been a place for skeptics, irreverence, the street-wise, the degreed, and the occasional comic...
Even post 9/11 the rise of reactionary postings was still commonly driven by the skeptic's attitude more than a dogmatic one.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:09:24pm |
re: #490 windsagio
That quip is one I shall ignore.
It's KT's info that's almost always right on target.
I'll bow out of this now.
The thing is - when he started with the tea party stuff, it was hard on me, and many other folks here. And it was difficult to back up, take a good, hard look at what was going on, and decide - nah, that's not a good thing. But at this point? I appreciate what KT did way back then, as aggravating as it was when it was going on, and as hard as it was on me to pay attention. FBV said basically the same thing earlier - without KT's initial research into this stuff, we may have gotten sucked into the craziness ourselves.
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:10:36pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the compliment but I'm feeling that my luck has run out on this one. I still think I'm right but I really don't want to relive the Tea Party debates again. Also I don;t think LGF could survive a Killgore victory on OWS. It's a lefty blog and there isn;t really much of a market for a lefty blog that objects to Code Pink or speaking out against Marxists attacking police. Nobody's interested in that. I'll continue to post stuff just for my own entertainment.
To paraphrase Marge Simpson, "One person can make a difference but they probably shouldn't"
your slip is showing
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windsagio Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:12:26pm |
I think I'm actually out too, LGF should be fun to have discussions in, and listening to Greyfaces isn't fun.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:12:29pm |
So that guy with the dirty shirt and Lotion man are so far the only two examples of people actually espousing antisemitic content at OWS?
Counting the antizionist crowd seperately. They are technically antisemites, too, but JFTR....
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:12:31pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
It kind of comes off as though you didn't want people to agree with you, or wanted to raise the bar for agreement very high, by taking pleasure in the violence.
I think that these protests will probably squibble away, if they don't I don't think they'll be able to actually police themselves enough not to welcome anti-semites and WWP guys in. I have no problem with someone who's very heavily socialist; I do have a problem with revolutionaries. Revolutions didn't solve much. Our Democracy was not hugely different or better than Great Britain's after the revolution. The change of government comes from a revolution of ideas, not the violent uprising.
So I don't really mind someone who thinks that we should have a compelte command economy-- I mean, I think that they're wrong, but since I want a mixed economy, there are some things we can agree on.
But someone who wants to get to that command economy through revolution? No thanks. So in a large way, I agree with you. I don't think that these protests are worse than the Tea Party because I feel that the issue that these protesters is protesting at least exists-- an overly comfortable relationship between government and banking, with not enough regulatory control, whereas the tea partiers were mostly objecting to fiction.
And I can't summon up anything more positive than being a little freaked out by the applause for violence. Especially with the history of police brutality towards leftist protesters in this country.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:12:35pm |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Excellent post! I'll give you a big upding for honesty and a well stated case. A lot of people are dancing around the issue, trying to pretend that they aren't Marxists or are insignificant or whatever. I find the dishonesty objectionable. I think your post is a more prevailing opinion but a lot of lefties are uncomfortable with openly saying it in mixed company. However, your sentiment is why I'm not overly hopeful in convincing the more lefty LGF that the protests are bad thing. The communists, marxists and anarchists aren't a bug, they're a feature.
I want no part of it but I can understand that many aren't troubled by the more radical elements of the protests.
And I'm totally cool with you feeling that way. Clearly, we have a difference of opinion, but that's OK.
As for here, from personal experience being on the other side of things in other cases, I understand what it's like being what seems to be a minority view that's under attack and is being dismissed and trying to defend myself from what feels like all directions. So I can't totally blame you for some of your reactions.
I still won't deny being put off some by your tone at times, but it sounds like that's just the way you are, so I'll have to factor that in (I have my own quirks, so I find it wise to try and understand/accept nuances in others, as well).
Hopefully, we can all, including myself, be a little more level headed about this in the future and minimize the sniping.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:13:03pm |
OT: I just hear on the radio that singer Adele is suffering from a vocal chord hemmorhage.
I really hope she recovers. I really enjoy her voice.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:14:38pm |
re: #498 windsagio
Tune in next week for the new edition of interwebs drama.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:14:49pm |
re: #498 windsagio
I think I'm actually out too, LGF should be fun to have discussions in, and listening to Greyfaces isn't fun.
nap time for you...parting shots are really weak
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:15:37pm |
re: #492 windsagio
Man it really does feel like the old days tho', the circling of the wagons around a beloved long-term member.
Makes me miss Mandy and Brookly Red.
Don't worry, it's just the dinner crowd. They'll be gone soon and the beatings can continue as normal.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:16:01pm |
re: #502 makeitstop
OT: I just hear on the radio that singer Adele is suffering from a vocal choed hemmorhage.
I really hope she recovers. I really enjoy her voice.
Oh, wow.
I do too.
geez.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:16:19pm |
re: #502 makeitstop
OT: I just hear on the radio that singer Adele is suffering from a vocal chord hemmorhage.
I really hope she recovers. I really enjoy her voice.
Stinks. Agree with you. I like her.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:16:35pm |
re: #486 reine.de.tout
He's always been gleeful at finding stuff that supports his view. That's nothing new. I found it helpful to overlook the tone; and just find out for myself.
Well, as I said above, I'll attempt to factor that into my assessments of his statements in the future (That came out sounding way more formal/snooty than I was intending). I'm still relatively new here, so I don't have everyone down quite yet (And I certainly wasn't around for the TP stuff).
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:16:39pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
Don't worry, it's just the dinner crowd. They'll be gone soon and the beatings can continue as normal.
It's the wingnut hour?
/
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:16:50pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
Don't worry, it's just the dinner crowd. They'll be gone soon and the beatings can continue as normal.
heh...
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CuriousLurker Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:17:25pm |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't mind discussing it but that question was too loaded to be a reasonable starting place.
Just jumping in for a second here.
I've been observing all this for the past couple of days, but largely staying out of it because of all the rancor flying around. Yeah, I know scales flying is a tradition here, but it makes it difficult to really get a grip on things.
KT, I've been keeping some of the things you post, like the Wiki page on civil disobedience, the videos, etc. and some of it has been very useful & enlightening. Can you please post a Page covering everything minus the barbs? I'm not trying to pick a fight, but it's difficult to hear your message between the way you've been presenting things and the reactions to them, and I really do want to understand everything you're saying because I think it could be helpful.
Anyway, it's just a request. Keep in mind that I wasn't here in the pre-Obama, pre-"Why I parted ways with the right" days, so I'm probably completely unaware of many past..."issues" that some of you may have had with each other.
*bows back out*
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:17:36pm |
re: #501 Simply Sarah
Hopefully, we can all, including myself, be a little more level headed about this in the future and minimize the sniping.
Where's the fun in that? I really like an honest conversation but ya gotta throw some elbows just to keep things interesting.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:17:36pm |
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:17:36pm |
re: #506 reine.de.tout
Oh, wow.
I do too.
geez.
She canceled her entire US tour. Here's hoping she bounces back.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:19:36pm |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
To paraphrase Marge Simpson, "One person can make a difference but they probably shouldn't"
Man, I haven't been watching enough Simpsons this past decade or so.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:20:07pm |
re: #514 makeitstop
She canceled her entire US tour. Here's hoping she bounces back.
Popped blood vessel it seems. Those suck. I had one on my right cheek and I had to get it surgically removed. Have a scar to show for it. Hope she gets better. She's got a great voice and hopefully a great future ahead of her.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:21:35pm |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Where's the fun in that? I really like an honest conversation but ya gotta throw some elbows just to keep things interesting.
it's obvious that the newer posters just have no way of relating to the epic dustups here, talk about thinned skinned and overly sensitive
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:21:41pm |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Where's the fun in that? I really like an honest conversation but ya gotta throw some elbows just to keep things interesting.
Elbows are fine. It's when it seems like everyone is using M4s in an elevator that things get dicey.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:22:03pm |
re: #517 albusteve
it's obvious that the newer posters just have no way of relating to the epic dustups here, talk about thinned skinned and overly sensitive
That offends me. ;)
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:24:14pm |
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:24:22pm |
re: #519 makeitstop
That offends me. ;)
you couldn't walk across the room with sloshing in the remains...I liked it, but it just became too much a pain in the ass for CJ...my part in that stuff is history now
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:24:43pm |
re: #419 Killgore Trout
I do. I was one of the lead voices condemning the tea party, researching the organizers and groups involved. You might not like it but I think I have a fairly well informed opinion.
Sorry, I'll go with the opinion of the guy in New York who actually got out from behind the computer, went to the protest and talked to people at the protest (who may secretly have all been ANSWER plants and anarchist operatives and moneyed elite ivy league Palestinian Marxists, but I suspect not)
as opposed to you, the guy on the other coast who is just being grouchy and defeated and embarrassing on the internet
Ob's opinion is the definition of "well informed", whereas you have not demonstrated anything that would lead me to believe you are "well informed".
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:25:16pm |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:25:56pm |
re: #523 makeitstop
A good pizza, for which I'm waiting to arrive now.
heh,, wait till you see how they shortchanged you on the toppings!
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:26:06pm |
re: #495 freetoken
re: #484 Killgore Trout
... It's a lefty blog ...
With this I disagree.
At least since I've been here, this little corner of the blog-o-sphere has been a place for skeptics, irreverence, the street-wise, the degreed, and the occasional comic...
Even post 9/11 the rise of reactionary postings was still commonly driven by the skeptic's attitude more than a dogmatic one.
QFT.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:26:47pm |
re: #522 WindUpBird
Sorry, I'll go with the opinion of the guy in New York who actually got out from behind the computer, went to the protest and talked to people at the protest (who may secretly have all been ANSWER plants and anarchist operatives and moneyed elite ivy league Palestinian Marxists, but I suspect not)
as opposed to you, the guy on the other coast who is just being grouchy and defeated and embarrassing on the internet
Ob's opinion is the definition of "well informed", whereas you have not demonstrated anything that would lead me to believe you are "well informed".
Wow. That sounds just like me a couple of years ago, when I actually went to a local tea party event and came back with info that it was nothing, nothing at all, like what KT was talking about. But KT kept talking, and I started digging. And turned out, he was right.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:26:48pm |
re: #522 WindUpBird
My experience is just an anecdote. I hope to gather something remotely approaching data this weekend.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:26:57pm |
re: #523 makeitstop
A good pizza, for which I'm waiting to arrive now.
I have a family from Brooklyn down the street from me making pizzas...wowzer! how fortunate can a guy be?...they make a perfect NYC pie
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:27:11pm |
re: #524 sattv4u2
heh,, wait till you see how they shortchanged you on the toppings!
No toppings! Just a real good cheese pizza.
And they make fried ravioli, which is one of the most badass appetizers on the planet. Getting some of those, too.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:28:07pm |
OMG, WTF...
Who or what is signing right now?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:28:15pm |
re: #528 albusteve
I have a family from Brooklyn down the street from me making pizzas...wowzer! how fortunate can a guy be?...they make a perfect NYC pie
Is that with, or without, pineapple?
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:28:37pm |
re: #528 albusteve
I have a family from Brooklyn down the street from me making pizzas...wowzer! how fortunate can a guy be?...they make a perfect NYC pie
When I briefly lived in LA, there was a pizza joint at Hollywood and Vine called 'New York Pizza.'
Boy, did they ever get that wrong.
Pizza is NY's greatest export.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:30:28pm |
Oh joy.
Found out from the university that additional student loans are not an option, so the job hunt is now on in earnest. I've applied for part-time positions here in town just to bring in quick cash. I'm also going to GDC Online next week armed with resumes and business cards to try and network there as well.
Looks like it's time to start selling things on Craigslist. And I'm doing a college challenge to submit a business plan for a major insurance company that wants to do a social media campaign, because if I place at all, that's cash in hand and something to add to the resume.
Talk about incentive. Imma be busting my behind for the rest of the school year just to get by.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:30:54pm |
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CuriousLurker Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:31:32pm |
re: #521 albusteve
you couldn't walk across the room with sloshing in the remains...I liked it, but it just became too much a pain in the ass for CJ...my part in that stuff is history now
It's hard for some us newer people to think straight amid all the hissing and clawing, so we just hide in the nearest closet and wait for a lull in the battle when it seems relatively safe to come out, and then pick through the carnage for the useful bits.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:31:46pm |
The redbaiting is just so idiotic, along with the cheeringfact for peoplethe to getthe hurt.
No one here doubts ot contests there are groups like ANSWER and WWP organizing the initial protests, which is what makes this stupid 60's era commiebaiting backed with violence the red herring it is.
If KT has the names of these groups let him list them and be done with it.
re: #477 windsag>
"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in OWS."
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:32:04pm |
re: #532 makeitstop
When I briefly lived in LA, there was a pizza joint at Hollywood and Vine called 'New York Pizza.'
Boy, did they ever get that wrong.
Pizza is NY's greatest export.
Had to be better than the TexMex restaurant my cousin took me to in Peabody, MA. They put Boston baked beans on what they referred to as Chili Rellenos. They served tequila shots in tall glasses. Look at me funny when I asked for lime and salt. Brought a carton of sea salt. LOL
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:33:08pm |
re: #532 makeitstop
When I briefly lived in LA, there was a pizza joint at Hollywood and Vine called 'New York Pizza.'
Boy, did they ever get that wrong.
Pizza is NY's greatest export.
hint...
I have friends born and raised in NYC...they beat me til I got the pizza gig right...bless them
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:33:22pm |
re: #537 allegro
Had to be better than the TexMex restaurant my cousin took me to in Peabody, MA. They put Boston baked beans on what they referred to as Chili Rellenos. They served tequila shots in tall glasses. Look at me funny when I asked for lime and salt. Brought a carton of sea salt. LOL
ROFL. That's not TexMex. That's some kind of freak version of what New Englanders think is TexMex.
Sounds like a tragic dinner experience.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:33:31pm |
re: #533 Lidane
I hear you.
The system is broken. Those of us who need the federal loans should be able to get them so long as we keep our gpa at the required minimum and maintain the acceptable number of units.
In order for me to get federal loans I actually have to get a useless AA degree in order to qualify for said loans, even though I already have a BA and am going back for a new career. It's totally absurd.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:34:30pm |
re: #536 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The redbaiting is just so idiotic, along with the cheeringfact for peoplethe to getthe hurt.
No one here doubts ot contests there are groups like ANSWER and WWP organizing the initial protests, which is what makes this stupid 60's era commiebaiting backed with violence the red herring it is.
If KT has the names of these groups let him list them and be done with it.
oh please...what a laugher
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:34:39pm |
re: #537 allegro
Had to be better than the TexMex restaurant my cousin took me to in Peabody, MA. They put Boston baked beans on what they referred to as Chili Rellenos. They served tequila shots in tall glasses. Look at me funny when I asked for lime and salt. Brought a carton of sea salt. LOL
{shudder}
That happens in NY as well.
When I first moved here from Philly, I went into a diner and asked for a cheesesteak. I've never, ever gotten a blanker look than I got from the guy behind the counter.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:35:30pm |
re: #542 makeitstop
{shudder}
That happens in NY as well.
When I first moved here from Philly, I went into a diner and asked for a cheesesteak. I've never, ever gotten a blanker look than I got from the guy behind the counter.
Chink's!
2 pts
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:35:32pm |
re: #539 Lidane
ROFL. That's not TexMex. That's some kind of freak version of what New Englanders think is TexMex.
Sounds like a tragic dinner experience.
Oh it was outside of the hilarity of it. Always have fun drinking with my Irish cousins though so it was all good.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:35:56pm |
re: #540 eclectic infidel
I hear you.
The system is broken. Those of us who need the federal loans should be able to get them so long as we keep our gpa at the required minimum and maintain the acceptable number of units.
In order for me to get federal loans I actually have to get a useless AA degree in order to qualify for said loans, even though I already have a BA and am going back for a new career. It's totally absurd.
Honestly, I think there should be fewer loans and more grants. Loans are all well and good, but it's not exactly easy for most people to start to pay back $100k+ when you're fresh out of school.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:36:03pm |
re: #511 CuriousLurker
KT, I've been keeping some of the things you post, like the Wiki page on civil disobedience, the videos, etc. and some of it has been very useful & enlightening. Can you please post a Page covering everything minus the barbs? I'm not trying to pick a fight, but it's difficult to hear your message between the way you've been presenting things and the reactions to them, and I really do want to understand everything you're saying because I think it could be helpful.
I could make a page but I probably won't. For various personal reasons I really don't feel like attracting attention these days. I'm always open to honest questions. I realize that it seems confusing to a lot of people but I'm just applying the same standard to the Wall Street protests that I would to the Tea Party. If some radical idiot gives an interview and says stupid things I think it's noteworthy. If the organizers have questionable views or the participants are violent then I'll post it. It would be hypocritical of me to not apply the same standard to both groups.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:36:51pm |
re: #533 Lidane
I have an acquaintance who has actually begun escorting in order to pay for her graduate school.
Of course I don't judge her. This may be one of those rare times when I wish I was born female because you know, if I were...I'd probably consider it too.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:37:03pm |
re: #527 Obdicut
My experience is just an anecdote. I hope to gather something remotely approaching data this weekend.
Part of my Masters thesis involved going to a series of public events and interviewing members of a specific societal sub-group. I got over 100 interviews with a fairly intensive list of questions. I transcribed the responses, threw them into an Excel spreadsheet, cross referenced the data and analyzed everything for inclusion in the culminating document.
My only advice is that you should use a digital voice recorder. That's what worked for me. Too many people try to interview people on video, and it makes it harder for them to connect with the subject. Audio is less distracting all around, easier to edit and doesn't get between you and the person you're interviewing.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:37:30pm |
re: #536 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, what Killgore is doing is nothing like McCarthyist red-baiting, and saying that it is is tiring hyperbole.
Killgore is pointing out, strenuously, that Marxists are present at the protests and that the organizers are, if not Marxists, at least quite sympathetic with Marxists. As well as the main organizer, Adbusters, having engaged in the antisemitic campaign.
That's a perfectly fair observation.
He's not claiming that everyone there is a Marxist.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:37:54pm |
re: #545 Simply Sarah
Honestly, I think there should be fewer loans and more grants. Loans are all well and good, but it's not exactly easy for most people to start to pay back $100k+ when you're fresh out of school.
There's a grace period of 6 months with federal loans, and the promissory note is spread out over then years. I do understand your point though, and it is well taken.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:38:10pm |
re: #535 CuriousLurker
It's hard for some us newer people to think straight amid all the hissing and clawing, so we just hide in the nearest closet and wait for a lull in the battle when it seems relatively safe to come out, and then pick through the carnage for the useful bits.
If I had a wagon I would circle it around you.
I've been too intimidated to post to you since I found out you were a cabbie for 17 years. When I was young and thinking about where I could live and what I could do there, I thought about cab driving. It was way too scary to even contemplate.
You rock.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:38:24pm |
re: #540 eclectic infidel
I hear you.
The system is broken. Those of us who need the federal loans should be able to get them so long as we keep our gpa at the required minimum and maintain the acceptable number of units.
That's just it. I have the GPA and am registered full-time. It's just that my financial advisor can't raise my cost of attendance any higher, since for some reason the university thinks that an MBA student is going to live in the dorms or something, given how low they have their numbers.
Personally, I don't see the difference. It's all money I'm going to have to spend years paying back, so what's an extra bit of cash thrown on the pile? =P
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:38:55pm |
re: #547 eclectic infidel
I have an acquaintance who has actually begun escorting in order to pay for her graduate school.
Of course I don't judge her. This may be one of those rare times when I wish I was born female because you know, if I were...I'd probably consider it too.
Well, I find the last sentence a bit, uh, awkward, but you're right not to judge. And...you know what, I don't think this is the time or the place for me to get into my complicated and often uncertain views on sex work. *coughs*
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Spocomptonite Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:39:06pm |
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Atlas Fails Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:39:26pm |
I can't believe I didn't notice this earlier in the thread when Hoops brought the video up! The lyrics to 'Revolution' could be applied directly to OWS:
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:40:20pm |
re: #536 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The redbaiting is just so idiotic, along with the cheeringfact for peoplethe to getthe hurt.
Haha I have to stop posting to LGF from my dumbphone.
Autocorrect massive fail.
Should read:
The redbaiting is just so idiotic, along with the cheering for people to get hurt.
Although I do like cheeringfact for peoplethe to getthe hurt - has a much better cadence.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:40:30pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:40:30pm |
re: #554 Spocomptonite
Was that the video you meant to post there?
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:40:30pm |
re: #550 eclectic infidel
There's a grace period of 6 months with federal loans, and the promissory note is spread out over then years. I do understand your point though, and it is well taken.
Well, there's also the fact that you're stuck with it, even if you declare bankruptcy. That's kind of screwed up, too.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:41:02pm |
re: #547 eclectic infidel
I have an acquaintance who has actually begun escorting in order to pay for her graduate school.
Of course I don't judge her. This may be one of those rare times when I wish I was born female because you know, if I were...I'd probably consider it too.
I knew a woman who stripped all the way through her PhD in Educational Psych. She had the body for it and could make really good money just by working a couple of nights a week.
Sure, she fit the cliche of stripping to pay tuition, but in her case it was actually true. Once the degree was in her hands, she stopped dancing altogether.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:41:06pm |
re: #555 Atlas Fails
I can't believe I didn't notice this earlier in the thread when Hoops brought the video up! The lyrics to 'Revolution' could be applied directly to OWS:
[Video]
and it has...I've posted it more than once myself in the years gone by
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:41:08pm |
re: #553 Simply Sarah
Well, I find the last sentence a bit, uh, awkward, but you're right not to judge. And...you know what, I don't think this is the time or the place for me to get into my complicated and often uncertain views on sex work. *coughs*
Well...I have actually looked into it. There is a HUGE market for gay escorts, but being that I am redundantly straight, well, that narrows the playing field. Suffice to say that in the field of Escorting, women rule the roost. Yes, there are male escorts who cater exclusively to women, but at this point in my life, I am very reasonably certain I don't have what it takes right now.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:41:44pm |
re: #546 Killgore Trout
I could make a page but I probably won't. For various personal reasons I really don't feel like attracting attention these days. I'm always open to honest questions. I realize that it seems confusing to a lot of people but I'm just applying the same standard to the Wall Street protests that I would to the Tea Party. If some radical idiot gives an interview and says stupid things I think it's noteworthy. If the organizers have questionable views or the participants are violent then I'll post it. It would be hypocritical of me to not apply the same standard to both groups.
Okay, I hear you. I still hope you'll reconsider. In the meantime, I'll just stick to putting on my hip waders late at night and sifting through the blood & guts. ;)
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:43:49pm |
re: #560 Simply Sarah
Well, there's also the fact that you're stuck with it, even if you declare bankruptcy. That's kind of screwed up, too.
Yeah...the Feds will forgive banks without question but the rest of us...
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:45:24pm |
re: #549 Obdicut
No, what Killgore is doing is nothing like McCarthyist red-baiting, and saying that it is is tiring hyperbole.
Killgore is pointing out, strenuously, that Marxists are present at the protests and that the organizers are, if not Marxists, at least quite sympathetic with Marxists. As well as the main organizer, Adbusters, having engaged in the antisemitic campaign.
That's a perfectly fair observation.
He's not claiming that everyone there is a Marxist.
I highly recommend people read this article....
"We Are Creating a Tahrir Moment": Adbusters Editor Kalle Lasn on the Magazine's Role in Igniting the Occupy Wall Street Protests
A little background on the Situationist is helpful. I found this to be really interesting stuff. An I think I understand the modern left better than ever. It really brings a lot of stuff into focus.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:46:23pm |
re: #563 eclectic infidel
Well...I have actually looked into it. There is a HUGE market for gay escorts, but being that I am redundantly straight, well, that narrows the playing field. Suffice to say that in the field of Escorting, women rule the roost. Yes, there are male escorts who cater exclusively to women, but at this point in my life, I am very reasonably certain I don't have what it takes right now.
I'm just going to nod, because anything else is going to get me into rambling on stuff and probably sticking my foot into my mouth!
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Spocomptonite Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:46:47pm |
re: #559 Obdicut
Was that the video you meant to post there?
Well this thread was past 500 comments, so I figured it had already derailed at least once already.
And yes, that was the video. Most previous debates/conferences, Republican candidates/speakers seem to be trying to gain supporters by doubling down on crazy and being angry and mean to the very people they'll actually need if they want to be elected.
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allegro Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:47:15pm |
re: #567 Simply Sarah
I'm just going to nod, because anything else is going to get me into rambling on stuff and probably sticking my foot into my mouth!
I think you have to stick your foot into someone else's mouth to make a profit.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:47:24pm |
re: #567 Simply Sarah
I'm just going to nod, because anything else is going to get me into rambling on stuff and probably sticking my foot into my mouth!
A shame Sarah. Regardless of your views, I'd be most interested in your opinion.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:48:32pm |
re: #569 allegro
I think you have to stick your foot into someone else's mouth to make a profit.
LOL
Back to work.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:48:48pm |
re: #565 eclectic infidel
Yeah...the Feds will forgive banks without question but the rest of us...
That pisses me off more than anything else. Multi-billion dollar failures in the financial sector get forgiven and bailed out, but student loans stay with you forever, even if you declare bankruptcy. It's insane.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:49:23pm |
re: #549 Obdicut
Ke's not claiming that everyone there is a Marxist.
Well, that wasn't what I said at all.
I've said, several times now, if one is going to cry about lefty sites this and "I don't know how many marxists, etc" are involved and I've got names that, well then why not come with the specifics?
Instead, the retort is either silence or chime-ins of "well he was right about the tea party." So what, so was I, so were a lot of people.
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laZardo Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:49:39pm |
re: #565 eclectic infidel
Yeah...the Feds will forgive banks without question but the rest of us...
That's why we gotta end the Fed. So nobody gets forgiven!
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:50:10pm |
re: #572 Lidane
That pisses me off more than anything else. Multi-billion dollar failures in the financial sector get forgiven and bailed out, but student loans stay with you forever, even if you declare bankruptcy. It's insane.
on your dime, no less....
too big to fail? bullshit
| 576 |
Jack Burton Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:50:21pm |
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:50:23pm |
re: #570 eclectic infidel
A shame Sarah. Regardless of your views, I'd be most interested in your opinion.
Look, I don't think even *I* want to listen to myself espouse my privileged, ivory tower thoughts on sex work and how it fits into the sexualization of women, patriarchy, and feminism in 50,000 words or less.
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:51:23pm |
re: #566 Killgore Trout
I do think you're crediting them for being far more influential than the actually are. The modern left is the Democratic party, basically. These guys are on the fringe. They're good at social media, but the number of people they've got showing up to places is hardly immense.
This isn't the modern left. It has the potential to become it, but that's all it is, potential-- and it seems rather unlikely. The GOP got pulled down mainly by its Reagan-era pact with the religious right; that's a large part of what's fueling the turn to the right in the GOP.
The Democrats don't have anything like that, that I can see. These people are on the fringe of influence.
We'll see if we start seeing a similar primarying of Democrats in a serious manner because they're not ideologically pure enough, and whether the primaries are at all successful. That'd be, to me, the sign that the hard left had really gained significant influence in the modern left.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:51:39pm |
re: #573 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, that wasn't what I said at all.
I've said, several times now, if one is going to cry about lefty sites this and "I don't know how many marxists, etc" are involved and I've got names that, well then why not come with the specifics?
Instead, the retort is either silence or chime-ins of "well he was right about the tea party." So what, so was I, so were a lot of people.
you're just way behind the curve and KT won't fall for your....sympathies
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:51:46pm |
re: #573 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I've been very specific. If I mention a person or group I often provide a wiki link for baground. When I find pics I psot link to the entire article where I found it, same with videos. I really can't get much more specific than that.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:52:45pm |
re: #577 Simply Sarah
Look, I don't think even *I* want to listen to myself espouse my privileged, ivory tower thoughts on sex work and how it fits into the sexualization of women, patriarchy, and feminism in 50,000 words or less.
Ah. I see. Well, here's something to chew on...the acquaintance has been escorting for almost a year now and of course the majority of her clients are married men - with generous wallets. She's come to the conclusion that marriage is and of itself a form of prostitution (she married young, many moons ago, now divorced), but is a form that doesn't pay very well.
Still stirring the pot...
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Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:53:41pm |
re: #581 eclectic infidel
It's a pretty depressing and boring topic, though. I'm not sure you'll hook many people.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:53:52pm |
re: #551 wrenchwench
If I had a wagon I would circle it around you.
I've been too intimidated to post to you since I found out you were a cabbie for 17 years. When I was young and thinking about where I could live and what I could do there, I thought about cab driving. It was way too scary to even contemplate.
You rock.
That's the thing—trust me when I say you probably really wouldn't like the taxi driver version of CL, heh. I can throw down with the best of them after all those years dealing with every imaginable situation under the sun, not to mention characters way more intimidating that anyone you'll ever encounter here.
But that's just it, you see? All those years of having to meet aggression with even stronger aggression—of literally having to throw down to survive—pretty much exhausted me. It's not a sport to me. I don't find any pleasure in it now that I'm in a place in my life where it's no longer mandatory on a daily basis.
You rock too, thanks. {{wrenchwench}}
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:54:52pm |
...Multi-billion dollar failures in the financial sector get forgiven...
they are forgiven since they have been accepted by the conservative movement as their lords and saviors
obama, on the other hand, is guilty of original stimulus
| 585 |
Randall Gross Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:55:21pm |
re: #566 Killgore Trout
One of the other thing I'm noticing is that part of the crowd growth is the same old Kucinich/Paul orange jump suiters. Reason did an article on some people from the Tea Party showing up with Gadsden flags as well.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:55:49pm |
re: #582 Obdicut
It's a pretty depressing and boring topic, though. I'm not sure you'll hook many people.
Well that's OK, the thread is almost done as it is.
If anything could possibly depress me though, it's all the Federal funding poured into the Pentagon and very little into student loans.
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:55:56pm |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
I've been very specific. If I mention a person or group I often provide a wiki link for baground. When I find pics I psot link to the entire article where I found it, same with videos. I really can't get much more specific than that.
you do all the work, then your critics just use it against you...really boring old device
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:56:01pm |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
I've been very specific. If I mention a person or group I often provide a wiki link for baground. When I find pics I psot link to the entire article where I found it, same with videos. I really can't get much more specific than that.
Overall, I think you have reasonable concerns over some of the groups that helped launch all this. What is less clear is how much control they will be able to maintain over them (Or even have now) should the whole thing continue to grow. On the whole, it, at least to my admittedly untrained eye, seems a bit more truly grassroots than the Tea Party stuff was, as least for now.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:56:19pm |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
You keep referring to "lefty sites" without providing specifics, OCSP as well as several others have called you on it before. I still haven't seen you reply.
| 590 |
Obdicut Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:56:31pm |
re: #585 Thanos
There are astroturf groups trying to promote the 'end-the-fed' point of view. It'd be sadly funny to see these protesters hoodwinked by probably the same guys that took some of the tea party dudes.
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blueraven Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:57:33pm |
Well for some good news...Michelle Bachman will bring gas down to below $2 a gallon. Wheeee!
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:57:42pm |
re: #581 eclectic infidel
Ah. I see. Well, here's something to chew on...the acquaintance has been escorting for almost a year now and of course the majority of her clients are married men - with generous wallets. She's come to the conclusion that marriage is and of itself a form of prostitution (she married young, many moons ago, now divorced), but is a form that doesn't pay very well.
Still stirring the pot...
While I may be interested in biting, I'm not so sure most of the other people here would share that view and I'd rather not get too much into something that's going to be a total side conversation in the middle of everyone else.
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:58:38pm |
This is cool:
Cease-Fire for Harvests Offers Respite in Afghanistan.
Guerrilla war can have its own rhythms and take ever-shifting patterns and forms. The “pine-nut truce,” as it became known among soldiers who found an unexpected respite from the exhausting grind of daily contact, underscored a pair of simple facts: Waging war requires labor, and when local labor is busy with other work, fighting can subside. In sections of Paktika Province, the decline in violence was clear and steep.
It kind of drives home how much economic development would be able to solve the problems we're dealing with in Afganistan.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:59:01pm |
re: #578 Obdicut
The GOP got pulled down mainly by its Reagan-era pact with the religious right; that's a large part of what's fueling the turn to the right in the GOP.
What also fueled it was a long-time grassroots effort in the GOP to turn the party sharply to the right from the bottom up. It started in the 60's and 70's, particularly with AM radio. By the time Reagan was in office the pieces were already in place.
At the same time, the Democrats were repeatedly failing on a national level because of the hippies and the lingering anger at the anti-war left from the Vietnam era. The Democratic party has been making a concerted and deliberate effort to shed the far left ever since. It's no accident that the two Democrats elected POTUS since Reagan are not far left ideologues.
For all the sturm und drang of the OWS protests, they will ultimately have less impact on the Democrats than the anti-Iraq War protests did. The DNC and the rest of the party leadership are not going to start courting the fringe protesters in the streets, no matter how many platitudes they might offer at understanding their frustration. The Dems have worked too hard to shed the hippie label since the 80's to let that go away so easily.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 4:59:30pm |
re: #592 Simply Sarah
While I may be interested in biting, I'm not so sure most of the other people here would share that view and I'd rather not get too much into something that's going to be a total side conversation in the middle of everyone else.
As you wish.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:00:17pm |
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BishopX Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:00:51pm |
re: #596 Simply Sarah
Take it to the pages...that's what they're there for.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:00:58pm |
re: #579 albusteve
you're just way behind the curve and KT won't fall for your...sympathies
Which are...what...in your view.
Tell me what you know about me, that I don't.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:02:14pm |
re: #597 BishopX
Take it to the pages...that's what they're there for.
Sssh. We're not supposed to think of that!
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:02:26pm |
re: #589 BishopX
You keep referring to "lefty sites" without providing specifics, OCSP as well as several others have called you on it before. I still haven't seen you reply.
he does it on his own...so can you, he owes you no reply, where did you get that notion?
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laZardo Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:02:53pm |
Ooh, I can spot an anti-war protest marching past my apartment building toward Westlake, where occupy Seattle is.
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:03:43pm |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
I've been very specific. If I mention a person or group I often provide a wiki link for baground. When I find pics I psot link to the entire article where I found it, same with videos. I really can't get much more specific than that.
by posting pictures of people at the OWS sites who espouse unacceptable views, you prove only that it is possible to find people at the OWS demo sites that espouse unacceptable views
the fact that you can do this neither surprises me nor changes my opinion that the real and obvious point of the demonstrations is simply that it is clear that wall st & etc have been getting all the breaks while the rest of us have been getting screwed
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albusteve Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:05:37pm |
re: #602 engineer dog
by posting pictures of people at the OWS sites who espouse unacceptable views, you prove only that it is possible to find people at the OWS demo sites that espouse unacceptable views
the fact that you can do this neither surprises me nor changes my opinion that the real and obvious point of the demonstrations is simply that it is clear that wall st & etc have been getting all the breaks while the rest of us have been getting screwed
speaking for KT...he's been hammered by WS and the market
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:05:46pm |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
I've been very specific. If I mention a person or group I often provide a wiki link for baground. When I find pics I psot link to the entire article where I found it, same with videos. I really can't get much more specific than that.
Sure you can.
List the lefty sites you're talking about (so far I've seen onl DKos), and list the dozen Marxist groups you mentioned.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:06:48pm |
re: #573 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
. . .
Instead, the retort is either silence or chime-ins of "well he was right about the tea party." So what, so was I, so were a lot of people.
Sure, you and many others were right about the tea party, along with KT.
So - how, exactly, does that mean KT is wrong now?
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Randall Gross Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:06:54pm |
Everything OWS has seemed pretty standard and somewhat tame as these things go, I've been following along over at NLN and other places.
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laZardo Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:07:05pm |
re: #601 laZardo
And for the record, apparently ANSWER organized the march.
From up where I'm staying there were probably about 100-ish marchers.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:08:07pm |
Evening Lizardim. While we're on a thread about religious nutjobs, Harold Camping is back with a new round of "The End of the World" - two weeks from today, he says. Better make sure I get my bucket list finished off./
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:10:24pm |
re: #602 engineer dog
by posting pictures of people at the OWS sites who espouse unacceptable views, you prove only that it is possible to find people at the OWS demo sites that espouse unacceptable views
...
hmmm. Sounds like an eerily familiar refrain -
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Randall Gross Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:13:15pm |
If you are bored with VVS you can watch OWS here
[Link: www.livestream.com...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:13:37pm |
re: #605 reine.de.tout
Sure, you and many others were right about the tea party, along with KT.
So - how, exactly, does that mean KT is wrong now?
I keep saying, no one has claimed KT is "wrong" now.
But if I told you back then "the righty sites are saying obama is a monkey" you'd want to know which of the million righty sites I was talking about and would have no reason whatsoever to take my word for it.
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Randall Gross Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:15:28pm |
re: #611 Thanos
If you are bored with VVS you can watch OWS here
[Link: www.livestream.com...]
Nvrmind... as soon as I posted the guy said his legs were cramping from sitting too long and killed the stream.. so it goes :)
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:16:39pm |
re: #613 Thanos
Nvrmind... as soon as I posted the guy said his legs were cramping from sitting too long and killed the stream.. so it goes :)
I think he's gonna need to be a bit tougher if he wants a global revolution.
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laZardo Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:17:03pm |
re: #611 Thanos
If you are bored with VVS you can watch OWS here
[Link: www.livestream.com...]
How about OSS?
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Stanghazi Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:24:34pm |
Goood evening LGF. Can't say how happy I am that it's fucking Friday nite!
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Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:27:27pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:34:55pm |
re: #608 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim. While we're on a thread about religious nutjobs, Harold Camping is back with a new round of "The End of the World" - two weeks from today, he says. Better make sure I get my bucket list finished off./
Yeah, yeah...
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:36:13pm |
re: #566 Killgore Trout
I highly recommend people read this article...
"We Are Creating a Tahrir Moment": Adbusters Editor Kalle Lasn on the Magazine's Role in Igniting the Occupy Wall Street Protests
A little background on the Situationist is helpful. I found this to be really interesting stuff. An I think I understand the modern left better than ever. It really brings a lot of stuff into focus.
What have you learnt?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:46:41pm |
re: #590 Obdicut
There are astroturf groups trying to promote the 'end-the-fed' point of view. It'd be sadly funny to see these protesters hoodwinked by probably the same guys that took some of the tea party dudes.
Apropos:
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 5:56:07pm |
re: #622 000G
Apropos:
[Video]
I wouldn't doubt it at all. I brought it up yesterday re: our Citizens United world - already there are cash-in sites running around yapping about "occupying" whatever.
People will fall for it, too, just as they did for ANSWER's bullshyt 10 years ago.
This looks like one such example to me [Link: occupyparty.org...]
Citizens United is yet another reason I don't trust some of the main sites that don't say who they are. (It's related to wanting specifics when KT claims some site said/did this or that, or some dozen Marxists are involved with this or that. Well, who says so? Prove the claim, or don't make it to begin with.)
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lostlakehiker Fri, Oct 7, 2011 6:47:53pm |
re: #283 webevintage
Slowly moving forward against a police line (or against being caged) is considered attacking the police? A beat down is not an appropriate response. How's about the police respond by moving out of the way and letting democracy take place? So what if the crowd advances?
(and I am actually asking questions since I'm not paying near enough attention to this, but cop using Batons always seems wrong unless they are in real danger.)
If the police put a line up, it means don't cross. It means force will be used to stop you crossing.
The police, and society, dare not generate the impression that threats of force are empty. That gets people killed, on both sides of the thin blue line. Clarity is essential.
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Gepetto Fri, Oct 7, 2011 8:09:19pm |
re: #377 EmmmieG
its the flag of Cascadia, a so-far fictitious state hewn from parts of the pacific northwest. really.
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Gepetto Fri, Oct 7, 2011 8:13:54pm |
re: #625 Gepetto
its the flag of Cascadia, a so-far fictitious state hewn from parts of the pacific northwest. really.
sorry, I saw its asked and answered :) in the center of the flag is a douglas fir silhouette. apparently doug firs were endemic to the NW before being transplanted all over. I never understood the Cascadia movement.
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