Return of the Anti-Fluoride Right Wing Loons

“The fluoride Gestapo”
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One of the craziest conspiracy theories pushed by right wing organizations like the John Birch Society is that fluoride in drinking water is a government mind control plot — and this deranged meme is making a big comeback in the Tea Party Era: Dozens show up at Pinellas County Commission meeting to talk fluoride.

The board voted 4-3 last week to stop the 7-year-old practice, despite warnings from dentists that fluoride in drinking water is safe and effective fighting cavities.

The majority — Commissioners Nancy Bostock, Neil Brickfield, John Morroni and Norm Roche — sided with fears of big government and fluoride-related maladies.

For the decision to be reconsidered, one of the four who voted in favor has to agree.

“I haven’t seen any evidence since last Tuesday to compel me to change my vote,” Brickfield said Monday, noting reports of improved dental habits and sources of fluoride elsewhere. “If we’re getting that much every day, why do we need to put it in the water?”

But dentist Edward Hopwood of Clearwater said the reasons for fluoride being added are clear: it helps prevent dental problems, and not just for needy children. Without the county’s practice at $205,000 a year, parents will pay $45 annually for tablets to supplement their children’s fluoride levels properly, Hopwood said. Hopwood is chairman of the fluoridation committee for the Upper Pinellas County Dental Association.

He and other dentists want the board to reconsider the vote, too. They — and fluoride opponents — are expected to speak out again, too. “This is not poor kids only. There’s plenty of middle class kids who have a need for this,” he said.

Hopwood said the board sided with a “radical” group of tea party activists who pressed the board to make the decision.

In an e-mail to commissioners, he wrote: “This is not a political issue, it is about right and wrong.”

Exactly, opponents counter in their own messages to the board.

“Water fluoridation is not much different than sending a fluoride Gestapo around every day to force everyone to take fluoride pills, it is unethical and doctors who advocate this are in violation of peoples rights and ethics,” David Jackson wrote.

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314 comments
1 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:14am
Water fluoridation is not much different than sending a fluoride Gestapo

I submit this as dumbest derp statement candidate.

2 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:15am

YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL WHEN YOU'RE A PERSECUTED MINORITY!!!

SAVE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!!

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!


LIBZ AND DA GOVERNMENT ARE OUT TO GET US!!!111!!11!!!!

3 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:39am

What is modern conservatism about? Freaking out about fluoride and Communism, from the look of it.

It's like an oldies show, minus the doo-wop groups.

4 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:47am

After all these years, this is still coming up as an issue? Honestly, I'm still waiting for protests against iodine in salt, since we all know goitre is just a myth to allow adulterated goods into our shakers!

5 The Left  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:35:11am

Children's ice cream, Mandrake.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:35:45am

I estimate my costs for the fluoride tablets my kids take at $52 per year, per child. That's $200 per year, as The Princess has switched over to a rinse.

7 wee fury  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:36:24am

These people must be from Brainerd, MN. Story from 1999

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:36:59am

re: #6 EmmmieG

I estimate my costs for the fluoride tablets my kids take at $52 per year, per child. That's $200 per year, as The Princess has switched over to a rinse.

I'm sure that that's no big deal for a family just above the medicare line, right?

9 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:03am

re: #1 Obdicut

I submit this as dumbest derp statement candidate.

The creativity alone merits nomination. The Godwinning pushed it over the top.

It has my vote.

10 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:21am

Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream!

11 laZardo  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:25am
For the decision to be reconsidered, one of the four who voted in favor has to agree.

Well this is gonna be a fun back-and-forth.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:28am

I continue to be fascinated by a movement who repeatedly reset to demanding the freedom to be sick and poor.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:34am

It's all a plot to steal the precious bodily fluids.

Seriously though, having gone from NYC where they fluoridate water to NJ, where many localities don't, all I know is that dentists know where you live based on how many cavities you have. It's asinine not to be able to fluoridate water to improve dental health - which has long term health benefits (and can reduce health care costs).

14 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:38:20am

That's about as good an indication that the John Birch Society is in control of the conservative movement as you could ever get.

15 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:38:48am

re: #13 lawhawk

There could hardly be a better demonstration of what 'general welfare' is about.

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:39:01am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

I continue to be fascinated by a movement who repeatedly reset to demanding the freedom to be sick and poor.

The freedom for other people, (or, more specifically, their children) to be sick and poor.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:39:10am

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream!

18 R.M, Ramallo  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:39:58am

Squidbillies. Is it a documentary?
Your text to link...
NSFW probably.

19 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:40:19am
20 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:40:35am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

I continue to be fascinated by a movement who repeatedly reset to demanding the freedom to be sick and poor.

But people who think that Wall Street bankers are responsible for the financial crisis (by leveraging their assets 40-1 to by massive amounts of bad debt) are "moonbats."

21 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:41:32am

re: #13 lawhawk

It's all a plot to steal the precious bodily fluids.

Seriously though, having gone from NYC where they fluoridate water to NJ, where many localities don't, all I know is that dentists know where you live based on how many cavities you have. It's asinine not to be able to fluoridate water to improve dental health - which has long term health benefits (and can reduce health care costs).

IF GOD WANTED YOU TO KEEP YOUR TEETH, HE'D HAVE PUT THE FLUORIDE IN THE WATER TO BEGIN WITH!!!

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:42:34am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IF GOD WANTED YOU TO KEEP YOUR TEETH, HE'D HAVE PUT THE FLUORIDE IN THE WATER TO BEGIN WITH!!!

Yes, we should all be toothless by 45. This way, our children can learn the virtues of charity by having to spoon feed us soup.

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:42:50am

re: #20 Talking Point Detective

But people who think that Wall Street bankers are responsible for the financial crisis (by leveraging their assets 40-1 to by massive amounts of bad debt) are "moonbats."

No, people who think they can solve the problems created by Wall Street bankers through creative visualization and drum circles are moonbats.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43:45am

re: #22 EmmmieG

Yes, we should all be toothless by 45. This way, our children can learn the virtues of charity by having to spoon feed us soup.

But only if they WANT to, because we do not have to be charitable if we don't want to, and government cannot make us!!!!!

25 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43:46am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IF GOD WANTED YOU TO KEEP YOUR TEETH, HE'D HAVE PUT THE FLUORIDE IN THE WATER TO BEGIN WITH!!!

Actually there are places with naturally occuring flouride in the water supply. It was observed that people from these places had less tooth decay.

26 Charleston Chew  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43:55am

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

[Video]

I remember when I first saw this movie in the 90s I thought, "People believed some silly things back then." Had no idea it was a vision of the 21st century as well.

27 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:44:53am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IF GOD WANTED YOU TO KEEP YOUR TEETH, HE'D HAVE PUT THE FLUORIDE IN THE WATER TO BEGIN WITH!!!

Having no teeth is a "family value." The founding fathers didn't have flouride. Toothlessness is a natural outgrowth of aging, and fighting tooth decay is just an invention of librul scientists to promote their One World Government agenda.

28 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:45:12am

But seriously, if this were 60 years ago and widespread artificial water fluoridation still a fairly new concept, maybe I could get some concerns over potential negative side effects.

But in many places, we've had several generations grow up with water fluoridation and basically the only vaguely negative result shown to be caused by it are occasional cases of dental fluorosis. This is compared to be marked improvement in dental health. How is there really a question about whether or not this is a good idea?

29 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:45:26am

They're onto us, fellow conspirators. We'll just have to figure out another way to keep these huddled masses from reproducing. It's a matter of some urgency now- there's a big bonus in it for anyone who comes up with a workable idea.

30 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:46:50am

re: #22 EmmmieG

Yes, we should all be toothless by 45.

Sounds like some of my neighbors.

31 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:46:54am

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

No, people who think they can solve the problems created by Wall Street bankers through creative visualization and drum circles are moonbats.

Sure - but how many of the OWS crowd believe any such thing? Enjoying a drumming circle while protesting Wall Street malfeasance is not the same thing as thinking that drum circles will solve the financial crisis.

32 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:47:36am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of DERP...

WND: The Muslim Brotherhood Is Infiltrating The Boy Scouts!

Hahahahaa excuse but hahhaahhaa.

33 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:47:41am

Fluoride in water bad. Formaldehyde in water good!

/descendants of John Birch Society founder Fred Koch

34 Charleston Chew  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:47:53am

re: #27 Talking Point Detective

Having no teeth is a "family value." The founding fathers didn't have flouride. Toothlessness is a natural outgrowth of aging, and fighting tooth decay is just an invention of librul scientists to promote their One World Government agenda.

If wooden teeth were good enough for Washington...

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:49:28am

A fluoride Gestapo? Now, I hate going to the dentist as much as the next person but comparing them to the gestapo.

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:49:32am

I read about this a couple of years ago and couldn't believe it.

Watch the Olympics and look at the kid's teeth from different countries. Do you really want that here?

Are we prepared to add Comprehensive Dental Care to our entitlements?

You know, if you want to live in fear of every little scientific improvement to our lives, you'd never ride a bike (because the wheels might collapse) or cook your food (fire might spread), or lock your door (the lock might fail and we'd be trapped).

Progress and Prosperity are not bad things.

37 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:49:42am

If these derpoids object, they can let their sacred free market solve the problem. Someone can create a fluoride free water system, run pvc pipes on the utility poles or truck it in or something.

38 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:49:45am

re: #34 Charleston Chew

If wooden teeth were good enough for Washington...

There's nothing in the Constitution that says government can fluoridate water.

39 R.M, Ramallo  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:50:58am

I'm not sure if the links are working on the posts from my phone...
Still trying to figure it out...

40 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:51:20am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

A fluoride Gestapo? Now, I hate going to the dentist as much as the next person but comparing them to the gestapo.

Unless they are the gestapo.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:51:27am

re: #36 ggt

I read about this a couple of years ago and couldn't believe it.

Watch the Olympics and look at the kid's teeth from different countries. Do you really want that here?

Are we prepared to add Comprehensive Dental Care to our entitlements?

You know, if you want to live in fear of every little scientific improvement to our lives, you'd never ride a bike (because the wheels might collapse) or cook your food (fire might spread), or lock your door (the lock might fail and we'd be trapped).

Progress and Prosperity are not bad things.

They're not afraid of scientific improvements so much as they are afraid of anything that suggests a social contract, in which we pool resources and make communal decisions. On a very deep level, they reject the whole idea of civilization, while intending to go on living in densely populated, industrialized areas.

This will not work.

42 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:53:17am

re: #40 Alouette

Unless they are the gestapo.

Is it safe? :) Man Olivier was amazing in that role. It was funny because I saw that movie after I saw Boys From Brazil where he plays a Simon Wiesenthal like character. Two totally different characters. But yeah that movie made me hate going to the dentist more than I already do.

43 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:54:09am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

They're not afraid of scientific improvements so much as they are afraid of anything that suggests a social contract, in which we pool resources and make communal decisions. On a very deep level, they reject the whole idea of civilization, while intending to go on living in densely populated, industrialized areas.

This will not work.

It does really go back to an underlying philosophical orientation. Then again, many of these folks are very dedicated to their church communities, where resources are pooled. I'm not sure if it's the communal decisions part, or maybe just the inherent human tendency toward tribalism and fear of "the other."

44 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:54:11am

It's amazing to me how sensitive wingnuts are to the quality of the water when a little fluoride is put into it, but they want to kill the EPA and deregulate industry so we have no clue what they're putting in the air and water.

That's probably the most frightening aspect of these candidates, to me, is the open hostility they all have towards the EPA.

45 Charleston Chew  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:54:30am

This issue is just a somewhat more trivial version of classically ironic "Keep you government hands off my medicare!"

Fluoridating the municipal water supply isn't a socialist plot... the municipal water supply is. If you want libertarian "freedom", then provide your own damn potable water and shut the fuck up.

46 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:55:16am

re: #44 Obdicut

It's amazing to me how sensitive wingnuts are to the quality of the water when a little fluoride is put into it, but they want to kill the EPA and deregulate industry so we have no clue what they're putting in the air and water.

That's probably the most frightening aspect of these candidates, to me, is the open hostility they all have towards the EPA.

It is the same mentality that causes them to reject Evolution but embrace all aspects of Social Darwinism.

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:55:31am

re: #44 Obdicut

It's amazing to me how sensitive wingnuts are to the quality of the water when a little fluoride is put into it, but they want to kill the EPA and deregulate industry so we have no clue what they're putting in the air and water.

That's probably the most frightening aspect of these candidates, to me, is the open hostility they all have towards the EPA.

Yeah I don't get that at all. Naturally occurring elements like fluoride- bad but toxic waste g- good I guess.

48 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:55:46am

re: #46 ralphieboy

It is the same mentality that causes them to reject Evolution but embrace all aspects of Social Darwinism.

ding.

49 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:56:00am

re: #45 Charleston Chew

Fluoridating the municipal water supply isn't a socialist plot... the municipal water supply is.

Heh. Exactly.

50 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:56:39am

re: #44 Obdicut

It's amazing to me how sensitive wingnuts are to the quality of the water when a little fluoride is put into it, but they want to kill the EPA and deregulate industry so we have no clue what they're putting in the air and water.

That's probably the most frightening aspect of these candidates, to me, is the open hostility they all have towards the EPA.

It sells well politically. Exploiting fear of "a group out to get us" = votes.

51 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:58:22am

What would the right wingers do if they didn't have something to be angry and/or paranoid about?

These people remind me of the Lone Gunmen from the X-files...only far less cool.

52 zora  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:58:29am

re: #39 OhNoZombies!

your squid billies link worked. life begins at arousal. ha!

53 Lidane  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:00:49am

re: #3 makeitstop

It's like an oldies show, minus the doo-wop groups.

That's because doo-wop is part of the devil's music of rock & roll.

Also, this isn't any different from what conservatism has been for the last 20+ years at least.

54 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:02:19am

And going back to this:

Water fluoridation is not much different than sending a fluoride Gestapo around every day to force everyone to take fluoride pills, it is unethical and doctors who advocate this are in violation of peoples rights and ethics

So he's saying that a doctor concerned with the health of the population and that advocates a simple, cheap, safe, and non-intrusive (To me, at least) action to try and improve it is actually unethical? What about speed limits? Stop signs? Similar stuff not involving motor vehicles?

55 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:02:30am
56 R.M, Ramallo  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:02:30am

re: #52 zora

Oh good !
I just love that show, or it scares me. I'm not really sure...

57 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:02:50am

re: #37 Shiplord Kirel

The free market already has a solution in place. It's called bottled water. We use it as the water dept. here in T.F. sometimes goes overboard on the chlorine, making the water unpalatable.

58 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:03:23am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer: 'Jesus used far more incendiary and inflammatory language than I have ever used.'

Huh? Was there some other Jesus no one told me about?

When Jesus was talking about the Pharisees? He didn't like them very much. They were the Bryan Fischers of his time.

59 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:03:37am

The Wiki includes a nice graphic.

Water fluoridation's science and practice are predominantly American.[16] It has been introduced to varying degrees in many countries and territories outside the U.S., including Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Hong Kong, Ireland, Israel, Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, Spain, the UK, and Vietnam. An estimated 12 million people in western Europe, 171 million in the U.S. (61.5% of the U.S. population[17]), and 355 million worldwide receive artificially fluoridated water, in addition to at least 50 million worldwide who receive water naturally fluoridated to recommended levels.[18]

In addition, at least 50 million people worldwide drink water that is naturally fluoridated to optimal levels; the actual number is unknown and is likely to be much higher. Naturally fluoridated water is used in many countries, including Argentina, France, Gabon, Libya, Mexico, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, the U.S., and Zimbabwe. In some locations, notably parts of Africa, China, and India, natural fluoridation exceeds recommended levels; in China an estimated 200 million people receive water fluoridated at or above recommended levels.[18]

Communities have discontinued water fluoridation in some countries, including Finland, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland.[21] This change was often motivated by political opposition to water fluoridation, but sometimes the need for water fluoridation was met by alternative strategies. The use of fluoride in its various forms is the foundation of tooth decay prevention throughout Europe; for example, France, Germany, and many other European countries use fluoridated salt.[18]

60 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:03:50am

re: #57 Bubblehead II

The free market already has a solution in place. It's called bottled water. We use it as the water dept. here in T.F. sometimes goes overboard on the chlorine, making the water unpalatable.

Actually, bottled water is less regulated than tap water. Enjoy your pollution.

61 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:06:03am

re: #57 Bubblehead II

The free market already has a solution in place. It's called bottled water. We use it as the water dept. here in T.F. sometimes goes overboard on the chlorine, making the water unpalatable.

A failing of the free market it, I assure you. While I'm not opposed to bottled water as a rule, the vast majority of it is totally pointless and wasteful. I always get on my parents for buying so much of it, despite living somewhere with some of the best tasting tap water I've had (Might be a bit biased, of course) and having the ability to get cooled, filtered water from the fridge.

62 samuraishake  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:06:47am

We have this same issue in Wichita. The water here has never been Fluoridated. Every time someone brings it up, a tea partier screams "But Hitler put fluoride in the water!!" (I actually did hear that one time - not making it up)

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:08:00am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer: 'Jesus used far more incendiary and inflammatory language than I have ever used.'

Huh? Was there some other Jesus no one told me about?

Using the old Jesus said it too card to cover up his bigotry I see.

64 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:08:36am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, bottled water is less regulated than tap water. Enjoy your pollution.

I mean, municipal water supplies aren't perfect, either, but at least from what I've seen around here, they tend to be very quick on notification of people if there are any concerns about the quality of it. Granted, I can only go by times those warnings are made public.

65 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:08:46am

re: #62 samuraishake

We have this same issue in Wichita. The water here has never been Fluoridated. Every time someone brings it up, a tea partier screams "But Hitler put fluoride in the water!!" (I actually did hear that one time - not making it up)

Hitler breathed oxygen, let's have mustard gas in the atmosphere! Yay for Tea Party logic. Sorry that you have these idiots.

66 S'latch  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:09:09am

Purity of Essence, Mandrake.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:09:11am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer: 'Jesus used far more incendiary and inflammatory language than I have ever used.'

Huh? Was there some other Jesus no one told me about?

It was a pretty common name at the time...

68 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:09:18am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer: 'Jesus used far more incendiary and inflammatory language than I have ever used.'

Huh? Was there some other Jesus no one told me about?

He was very incendiary about moneylenders in the Temple and rich people entering the Kingdom of heaven...

69 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:09:30am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

By bottled water, I meant water from a reputable firm such as Culligan, not the stuff you but at the C-Store

70 samuraishake  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:10:02am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Sorry that you have these idiots

It's sometimes more entertaining that you'd imagine :)

71 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:10:05am

Breaking News: An Iranian terror plot has been stopped. Live feed on Fox News about 1 minute from now.

72 Artist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:10:18am
73 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:10:23am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yep.

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:10:23am

Overview

For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

The effectiveness of community water fluoridation in preventing dental caries prompted rapid adoption of this public health measure in cities throughout the United States. As a result, dental caries declined precipitously during the second half of the 20th century. For example, the mean DMFT among persons aged 12 years in the United States declined 68%, from 4.0 in 1966-1970 (14) to 1.3 in 1988-1994 (CDC, unpublished data, 1999) (Figure 1). The American Dental Association, the American Medical Association, the World Health Organization, and other professional and scientific organizations quickly endorsed water fluoridation. Knowledge about the benefits of water fluoridation led to the development of other modalities for delivery of fluoride, such as toothpastes, gels, mouth rinses, tablets, and drops. Several countries in Europe and Latin America have added fluoride to table salt.

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:11:04am

re: #74 ggt

Overview

Pfft what does the Center for Disease Control know, they're socialists and part of the government!

76 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

It was a pretty common name at the time...

Still is. Only it's pronouced "Hey Zeus"

77 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #62 samuraishake

We have this same issue in Wichita. The water here has never been Fluoridated. Every time someone brings it up, a tea partier screams "But Hitler put fluoride in the water!!" (I actually did hear that one time - not making it up)

That kind of logic just makes my head hurt. OK, yes, Hitler (Or whomever else) may have been awful, evil, etc., but that doesn't mean everything he said or did was awful, evil, etc.

I mean, like, if Hitler had cured cancer, would everyone be all "Nooooooo, we can't use it, because Hitler made it!"?

78 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:11:21am

re: #61 Simply Sarah

Depends on your taste buds I guess. We don't like the taste of of chlorine in the water here in T.F.

79 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:12:35am

re: #76 ggt

And if you say it like Samuel L. Jackson. /

80 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:13:04am

Free market water supply:
Image: watertruck4.jpg

81 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:13:10am

re: #71 mracb

Breaking News: An Iranian terror plot has been stopped. Live feed on Fox News about 1 minute from now.

From ABC:

U.S. Says Iran-Tied Terror Plot in Washington, D.C. Disrupted

FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a "significant terrorist act in the United States" tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today.

The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C.

Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:13:16am

re: #71 mracb

Breaking News: An Iranian terror plot has been stopped. Live feed on Fox News about 1 minute from now.

From ABC:

U.S. Says Iran-Tied Terror Plot in Washington, D.C. Disrupted

FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a "significant terrorist act in the United States" tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today.

The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C.

Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials.

83 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:13:33am

re: #78 Bubblehead II

Depends on your taste buds I guess. We don't like the taste of of chlorine in the water here in T.F.

Oh, there are certainly places where that gets bad. I'm just saying that where I grew up, it wasn't.

84 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:13:38am

Double post?

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:13:47am

re: #79 lawhawk

And if you say it like Samuel L. Jackson. /

Well, then, it's pronoucned "There are fucking snakes on this plane."?

:0

86 R.M, Ramallo  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:14:32am

It boggles the mind.
1. No vaccinations
2. No flouride
3. No EPA
4. No child labor laws etc.
...they want lots of sick, toothless children to go to work without health care...
WTF !!!

87 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15:38am

You see the same dumb logic with vegetarianism and I saw this as someone who can't imagine ever going vegetarian but the fact that Hitler was one which is actually from what I understand exaggerated leads some morons to use that as proof of why vegetarians are bad. And then there are the pink swastika people who think that gay Nazis like Rohm is why we should discriminate against gay people. Nevermind the fact the Nazis had straight Christians but you don't see people calling for straight Christians to be treated like second class citizens because of that.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15:46am

re: #62 samuraishake

We have this same issue in Wichita. The water here has never been Fluoridated. Every time someone brings it up, a tea partier screams "But Hitler put fluoride in the water!!" (I actually did hear that one time - not making it up)

I'm sure Hitler also brushed his teeth, but we can't let that put us off proper dental hygiene. How about everyone signs a little pledge that we won't annex the Sudetenland under the influence, and we carry on as normal?

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:16:13am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Using the old Jesus said it too card to cover up his bigotry I see.

Jesus, I am pretty sure, said nothing about killing grizzly bears or hassling homosexuals.

90 Charleston Chew  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:16:18am

re: #68 ralphieboy

He was very incendiary about moneylenders in the Temple and rich people entering the Kingdom of heaven...

COMMUNIST!

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:16:54am

re: #68 ralphieboy

He was very incendiary about moneylenders in the Temple and rich people entering the Kingdom of heaven...

Yes, but Bryan Fischer likes moneylenders and rich people, so that doesn't work for him.

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:17:15am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, I am pretty sure, said nothing about killing grizzly bears or hassling homosexuals.

Nah, Jesus was focused on the real evil in society: Canadian geese. If Fischer said they were evil he may have a point. :)

93 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:17:34am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, I am pretty sure, said nothing about killing grizzly bears or hassling homosexuals.

I heard him and Mohammed used to go deer hunting together.

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:17:53am
There is no pain...like dental pain.

World Dental Relief. Quoted from the First Chapter of the PDF.

You wanna see some not so nice pictures of children with bad teeth?

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:17:59am

re: #77 Simply Sarah

That kind of logic just makes my head hurt. OK, yes, Hitler (Or whomever else) may have been awful, evil, etc., but that doesn't mean everything he said or did was awful, evil, etc.

I mean, like, if Hitler had cured cancer, would everyone be all "Nooo, we can't use it, because Hitler made it!"?

Actually, scientists, especially doctors, after the war, sort of faced that, in a less stark way, when it came to using the research Nazi scientists had done.

96 samuraishake  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:20:53am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, scientists, especially doctors, after the war, sort of faced that, in a less stark way, when it came to using the research Nazi scientists had done.

Yeah, became kind of an ethical dilemma. They did all those experiments, such as seeing how cold you could make someone before they died, and the medical community had to ask, "Do we use the results of the experiments to make people safer, or do we bury the results because the experiment was unethical?"

I'm on the side of using the results. At least that way the people who were killed wouldn't have died in vain.

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:21:01am

[Link: www.hulu.com...]
With apologies to my British cousins in law :).

98 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:21:32am

re: #83 Simply Sarah

Oh, the water isn't really that bad here in T.F. I can and will drink it. I just wish they would do a better job of chlorinating it. Worst tap water I ever tasted was in Orlando, Fl. in 1984. High sulfur content.

99 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:22:12am

The glibertarians I know are very big on investing in rental property, not a bad plan if you know what you're doing and can stand the aggravation. However, they combine it with demands for the abolition of public education, government health care, and any protection at all for working people.
What would happen to their investment in 20 years? How much rent do they think they can get from a population of illiterate, one-eyed, toothless, slave wage workers anyway?

100 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:22:27am

Heh.

Gaddafi Wife Has a Sexy Picture Scandal, Many Thong Panties

Well, look what burbled up in the Turkish blogosphere: pictures of Muammar Gaddafi's son Hannibal cavorting with wife Aline Skaf, who familiarizes herself with several "porn star" poses, in flammable-looking lingerie. You'd think all that blood money would pay for nicer panties?

Lest you've lost track of which monstrous Gaddafis are which, Aline is the one accused of brutally torturing a maid by pouring boiling water over her face.

Hannibal is the son accused of beating servants with belts and clothes hangers; pulling a gun on a cop in France; beating another cop with a fire extinguisher in Italy; and beating his above-mentioned wife when she was eight months pregnant and he had a gun in his hand.

Beyonce serenaded him, once.

Nice pictures.

101 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:22:43am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, scientists, especially doctors, after the war, sort of faced that, in a less stark way, when it came to using the research Nazi scientists had done.

I recall a few years ago there was a serious ethical debate over possible treatments to hypothermia using data that came from Nazi experimentation.

102 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:22:53am

More on the thwarted plot by Iranian elements to attack Saudi Envoy to US and Saudi and Israeli embassies in US and elsewhere.

One of those named has links to the IRGC. The other is still on the loose.

The case started when one of the suspects, who lived in Texas, made contact with an undercover DEA informant and asked for assistance from the Zetas drug cartel in Mexico to assassinate the ambassador, the sources said.

ABC News reported that Arbabsiar was the one who made contact. A source said he reportedly claimed he was being "directed by high-ranking members of the Iranian government," including a cousin who was "a member of the Iranian army but did not wear a uniform."

Arbabsiar allegedly wired $50,000 to the informant as a down payment on a $1.5 million assassination fee.

103 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:23:13am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, scientists, especially doctors, after the war, sort of faced that, in a less stark way, when it came to using the research Nazi scientists had done.

Oh, I know. I certainly don't envy being in that position. But, as far as I am aware, in the end most concluded that it would be even more unethical to ignore the data gathered by the Nazis, despite how terrible the acts that may have been performed in getting it were.

Especially when the experiments, using the term very loosely, were so unethical as to be things that should have never been done and never should be done again. At that point, get what good you can out of an evil act. Not that it makes up for it happening in the first place.

104 BishopX  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:23:53am

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

So the DEA is involved with counter terrorism now? Something smells funny.

105 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:24:24am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer: 'Jesus used far more incendiary and inflammatory language than I have ever used.'

Huh? Was there some other Jesus no one told me about?

There was Fightin' Jesus, who came not to bring peace, but a sword. He was a real mean drunk, and would suddenly out of the clear blue pretend to punch you in the face without actually making contact. If you flinched (which everyone did) he would yell out "TWO FOR FLINCHIN'!" and hit you really hard, twice, on the shoulder.

As depicted by Giotto di Bondone in this 14th century painting.

106 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:25:06am

re: #104 BishopX

So the DEA is involved with counter terrorism now? Something smells funny.

Actually, the DEA has had ties inside of Iran for years because of the opium and hashish trade.

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:25:34am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.hulu.com...]
With apologies to my British cousins in law :).

A friend studied at Oxford in, I think, 2003. She came back and said I have two words for the British: DENTAL PLAN.

108 BishopX  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:26:20am

Press conference link here

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:26:22am

re: #104 BishopX

So the DEA is involved with counter terrorism now? Something smells funny.

Could it possibly be chance? DEA man working undercover in regards to the cartels, makes contact with someone looking to do business with them?

Or some sort of joint thing.

110 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:26:51am

re: #102 lawhawk

More on the thwarted plot by Iranian elements to attack Saudi Envoy to US and Saudi and Israeli embassies in US and elsewhere.

One of those named has links to the IRGC. The other is still on the loose.

CNN is live bogging this story...

[Posted at 2:19 p.m. ET] FBI Director Robert Mueller said the alleged terror plot involving Iran "reads like the pages of a Hollywood script."

"This case illustrates that we live in a world where borders and bounadries are increasingly irrelevant," Mueller said.

[Posted at 2:14 p.m. ET] An alleged plot - involving Iran - to commit terrorism inside the United States "is a fabrication," Ali Akbar Javanfekr, spokesman for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Tuesday.

Javanfekr said the Iranian government is awaiting details, but suggested U.S. authorities are attempting to distract American citizens from "domestic problems" by convincing them there is an outside threat.

[Posted at 2:12 p.m. ET] An FBI agent's affidavit obtained by CNN Tuesday accused two men of conspiring to murder Saudi Ambassador Adel Al-Jubeir.

The complaint alleges that Manssor Arbabsiar and Gholam Shakuri began a plot this past spring to kill Al-Jubeir.

Attorney General Eric Holder said in a news conference that the terror plot was a $1.5 million dollar "murder for hire" plan.

Officials also said one of the suspects told an informant that killing civilians, including senators, during the attack was "no problem" and "no big deal."

111 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:26:59am

re: #98 Bubblehead II

Oh, the water isn't really that bad here in T.F. I can and will drink it. I just wish they would do a better job of chlorinating it. Worst tap water I ever tasted was in Orlando, Fl. in 1984. High sulfur content.

oooh, I hate the sulfer water! Good for you tho.

112 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:27:17am

re: #107 ggt

A friend studied at Oxford in, I think, 2003. She came back and said I have two words for the British: DENTAL PLAN.

Heh my teeth need work. Maybe I should pretend to be British Too bad the only British isles accent I can do is Irish.

113 Bear  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:27:31am

Except possibly water from a Lister Bag, the worst tasting water I have had was in the LA area. UGH!!

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:27:50am

re: #105 negativ

There was Fightin' Jesus, who came not to bring peace, but a sword. He was a real mean drunk, and would suddenly out of the clear blue pretend to punch you in the face without actually making contact. If you flinched (which everyone did) he would yell out "TWO FOR FLINCHIN'!" and hit you really hard, twice, on the shoulder.

As depicted by Giotto di Bondone in this 14th century painting.

That is some of the funniest religious art I've ever seen. Fightin' Jesus looks deeply pissed off.

115 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:28:02am

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

Gaddafi Wife Has a Sexy Picture Scandal, Many Thong Panties

Nice pictures.

Is this the same wife that burned her "servant" and left her for dead?

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:28:13am

Fuckin' Florida is full of nutballs. Freak show.

117 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:28:44am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Could it possibly be chance? DEA man working undercover in regards to the cartels, makes contact with someone looking to do business with them?

Or some sort of joint thing.

"The new case, called Operation Red Coalition, began in May when an Iranian-American from Corpus Christi, Texas, approached a DEA informant seeking the help of a Mexican drug cartel to assassinate the Saudi ambassador, according to counter-terrorism officials.

The Iranian-American thought he was dealing with a member of the feared Zetas Mexican drug organization, according to agents. "

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:28:45am

re: #115 ggt

Is this the same wife that burned her "servant" and left her for dead?

That's the one.

119 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:28:52am

re: #115 ggt

Is this the same wife that burned her "servant" and left her for dead?

Yes. She's pretty hot but will boil you to death.

120 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:28:56am

re: #110 NJDhockeyfan

wow.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:29:13am

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"The new case, called Operation Red Coalition, began in May when an Iranian-American from Corpus Christi, Texas, approached a DEA informant seeking the help of a Mexican drug cartel to assassinate the Saudi ambassador, according to counter-terrorism officials.

The Iranian-American thought he was dealing with a member of the feared Zetas Mexican drug organization, according to agents. "

Well, that's their story, and they're sticking to it.

122 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:29:42am

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel

How much rent do they think they can get from a population of illiterate, one-eyed, toothless, slave wage workers anyway?

About the same as the Lords of the Manor(s) got from their peasantry, I'd imagine. Seems about like the same kind of system.

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:29:51am

re: #105 negativ

There was Fightin' Jesus, who came not to bring peace, but a sword. He was a real mean drunk, and would suddenly out of the clear blue pretend to punch you in the face without actually making contact. If you flinched (which everyone did) he would yell out "TWO FOR FLINCHIN'!" and hit you really hard, twice, on the shoulder.

As depicted by Giotto di Bondone in this 14th century painting.

And I call it "Christ wants your lunch money."

124 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:29:54am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Could it possibly be chance? DEA man working undercover in regards to the cartels, makes contact with someone looking to do business with them?

Or some sort of joint thing.

I think there is some overlap. Terrorists produce heroin --no?

125 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:30:02am

Looks like the Iranians were trying to enlist the Cartels to do the hits for them or assist their men.

126 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:30:32am
127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:31:13am
128 BishopX  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:31:17am

Just to be clear, there was never any danger of a terror attack. The "operatives" were all government people stringing the Iranians along.

129 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:31:36am

re: #124 ggt

I think there is some overlap. Terrorists produce heroin --no?

No. In this case, it looks like an Iranian was trying to recruit the cartels and spoke to a DEA informant about it.

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:33:12am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

That is some of the funniest religious art I've ever seen. Fightin' Jesus looks deeply pissed off.

This is my favorite Jesus. From the Basilica in Washington D.C.

Blonde, blue-eyed, in a Buddist robe, in the lotus position with flames coming out of his head.

He is front and center above the altar in the dome. Can't miss him. I walked in and said WTF!

131 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:34:21am
132 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:34:34am

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No. In this case, it looks like an Iranian was trying to recruit the cartels and spoke to a DEA informant about it.

Kinda like Ruby Ridge?

133 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:35:15am
[Posted at 2:27 p.m. ET] "The criminal complaint unsealed today exposes a deadly plot directed by factions of the Iranian government to assassinate a foreign Ambassador on U.S. soil with explosives,” Attorney General Eric Holder said. “Through the diligent and coordinated efforts of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies, we were able to disrupt this plot before anyone was harmed. We will continue to investigate this matter vigorously and bring those who have violated any laws to justice.”

[Posted at 2:25 p.m. ET] The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York called the alleged Iranian-linked terror plot against the Saudi ambassador to the United States "well-funded and pernicious."

"Details of that murder plot are chilling," Preet Bharara said in a news conference Tuesday.

[Posted at 2:22 p.m. ET] The criminal complaint filed Tuesday in the Southern District of New York names Manssor Arbabsiar, a 56-year-old naturalized U.S. citizen holding both Iranian and U.S. passports, and Gholam Shakuri, an Iran-based member of Iran’s Qods Force, which is a special operations unit of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) that is said to sponsor and promote terrorist activities abroad, according to the Justice Department.

Arbabsiar was arrested on Sept. 29, 2011, at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport and will make his initial appearance on Tuesday before in federal court in Manhattan, the Justice Department said. Shakuri remains at large.

The men are charged with the following crimes: conspiracy to murder a foreign official; conspiracy to engage in foreign travel and use of interstate and foreign commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire; conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives); and conspiracy to commit an act of international terrorism transcending national boundaries. Arbabsiar is further charged with an additional count of foreign travel and use of interstate and foreign commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire.

134 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:35:36am

re: #130 ggt

This is my favorite Jesus. From the Basilica in Washington D.C.

Blonde, blue-eyed, in a Buddist robe, in the lotus position with flames coming out of his head.

He is front and center above the altar in the dome. Can't miss him. I walked in and said WTF!

Are you familiar with the theories by some theologians that Christ went to the far east and was influenced by Buddhism? I've heard that before. That was always interesting to me.

135 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:35:47am

re: #126 Killgore Trout

An excellent page: Behind the Scenes at a Pallywood Production

Remember the old posts Charles had of Pallywood productions. That ambulance with the red cross on the top was everywhere, johnny-on-the-spot!

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:36:21am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, the DEA has had ties inside of Iran for years because of the opium and hashish trade.

Has it been profitable for the DEA?

137 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:36:56am

I had a page on this last week, I think. I noticed some local paper reader comments on the loon side arguing that they don't do this in most EU countries and have better teeth than in the USA.

The reason of course is that they also have better health care that includes dental care for most people, unlike the USA.

If that were more available it is true, we wouldn't need fluoridation in water as good hygiene and use of toothpaste can be sufficient. What happens instead is more serious emergency care at public expense for those who couldn't afford or didn't care to take care of their teeth earlier.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:37:10am

Awesome picture...

Libyan fighter brings guitar, not gun to firefight

... In the middle of heavy fighting in Sirte, a Libyan fighter carries a guitar with him instead of a firearm....

139 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:37:14am

So when is the Pinellas County Commission going to implement Wing Attack Plan R?

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:38:20am

I freakin' hate allergies, I feel like shit and itch everywhere.

I WANT IT TO FREEZE!

141 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:38:52am
[Posted at 2:35 p.m. ET] Attorney General Eric Holder, when asked how Iran would be held "accountable" in an alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States, said he expected action from the White House, the State Department and Treasury within the next few hours.

[Posted at 2:32 p.m. ET] One of the suspects, Manssor Arbabsiar, allegedly discussed bombing a restaurant in the United States that the Ambassador frequented, according to the complaint.

The U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York said Tuesday there had been a "discussion of using explosive devices" to carry out the the alleged Iranian-linked terror plot against the Saudi ambassador to the United States.

142 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:41:05am

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Attorney General Eric Holder, when asked how Iran would be held "accountable" in an alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States, said he expected action from the White House, the State Department and Treasury within the next few hours.

Sounds like they're going to confiscate some Iranian assets.

143 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:41:51am

Is it another Eric Holder drama, like Fast and Furious, or is it seriously a good op?

144 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:43:06am

re: #143 ggt

Is it another Eric Holder drama, like Fast and Furious, or is it seriously a good op?

It looks legit to me. The FBI and DEA were both involved.

145 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:46:16am

Justice Department complaint (PDF) on the busted Iranian murder plot.

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:46:41am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Sounds like they're going to confiscate some Iranian assets.

What assets? The building in Mahnattan? An embassy.

These things confuse me so much.

147 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:46:47am

My son is going for a degree in health and nutrition....
From what I've learned from him floride is about....ah....45,000th
on my list of things to look for on label...much less the water tap!

148 hellointernet  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:47:25am

I live in Pinellas county! Tra la la la la.

149 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:47:50am

re: #143 ggt

This looks like a legit investigation and charges seem plausible. There had been a longstanding concern that terrorists might try to link up with drug gangs, particularly in Mexico to try and cross into the US to carry out attacks and/or fund operations. Seems that those concerns have been substantiated.

What I don't quite get is why the Iranians would try to carry out those kinds of attacks here - their fingerprints would be (and were) exposed pretty quickly and could lead to further direct action by the US against Iran beyond sanctions or the UN taking up the matter.

150 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:48:17am

sending a fluoride Gestapo around every day to force everyone to take fluoride pills

nobody likes to be forced to do anything, but the right seems pervaded by an overblown neurotic fear of it - when i point out that jesus calls very strongly for the kind of charity that they object to so much in gummint, they always say that christian charity is voluntary, as if the fact that you are compelled to pay taxes makes the charity it is used for bad and unchristian

i put it down to traumatic authoritarian upbringings, like those people you see in the mall screaming at their children "you WILL obey me young man!!!"

151 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:48:55am

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Justice Department complaint (PDF) on the busted Iranian murder plot.

The Freep swampers aren't buying it at all---Fast and Furious, Wag the Dog, even the Reichstag fire figure in their analysis.

152 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:49:26am

re: #146 ggt

What assets? The building in Mahnattan? An embassy.

These things confuse me so much.

It could be anything. The Iranians aren't supposed to have assets in the US but the involvement on the Treasury Dept hints that they may have found something to take in retribution.

153 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:50:23am

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel

The Freep swampers aren't buying it at all---Fast and Furious, Wag the Dog, even the Reichstag fire figure in their analysis.

10/11 Truthers

154 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:50:29am

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Justice Department complaint (PDF) on the busted Iranian murder plot.

And here is the FBI press release...

Two Men Charged in Alleged Plot to Assassinate Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States

155 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:50:30am

Christie to endorse Romney

(sob!)

yuh mean the great chris christie is a LIBBERUL!?!!11?

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:50:33am

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Justice Department complaint (PDF) on the busted Iranian murder plot.

Loverly! Qod's Force

157 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:51:08am

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel

The Freep swampers aren't buying it at all---Fast and Furious, Wag the Dog, even the Reichstag fire figure in their analysis.

Ugh, that reminds me....I'm sure the radical leftist peace nuts with OWS will invent a conspiracy about this too.

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:52:24am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It could be anything. The Iranians aren't supposed to have assets in the US but the involvement on the Treasury Dept hints that they may have found something to take in retribution.

This confuses me even more. I guess they HAD assets and we've had them in deep freeze since 1979?

What do we do with these assets --are we earning the interest on them?

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:55:23am

I know there has been some "concern" about the population of muslims in Arizona because of it's proximity to the border for some time by some people. The perceived threat of drug lords teaming up with terrorists (or at least taking their money) is something I can see as plausable.

Now, we have proof?

160 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:55:40am

Something here for everyone: Holder gets some redemption for Fast and Furious, the Right gets a double-whammy issue to play on: the Iranian threat and our porous border.

161 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:56:13am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

That is some of the funniest religious art I've ever seen. Fightin' Jesus looks deeply pissed off.

The guy on the left of Fightin' Jesus looks like he is wearing some kind of rockstar souvenir T-Shirt, or should I say T-skirt?

162 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:56:39am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It could be anything. The Iranians aren't supposed to have assets in the US but the involvement on the Treasury Dept hints that they may have found something to take in retribution.

Here is what CNN was told:

A US official expanded more about how the U.S. might hold Iran accountable. The official told CNN's Elise Labott that there are likely to be more sanctions and the U.S. will be taking this up with to the United Nations Security Council and other members of the international community.

More sanctions and a complaint to the UN. Ughh.

163 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:56:44am

re: #158 ggt

are we earning the interest on them?

....You haven't been getting your check?
Did you move? //
They're in bed with Hugo....so yes they have assets here...
Anyone they are "friendly" with that has assets here can hide anything!

164 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:57:17am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It could be anything. The Iranians aren't supposed to have assets in the US but the involvement on the Treasury Dept hints that they may have found something to take in retribution.

Here is what CNN was told:

A US official expanded more about how the U.S. might hold Iran accountable. The official told CNN's Elise Labott that there are likely to be more sanctions and the U.S. will be taking this up with to the United Nations Security Council and other members of the international community.

More sanctions and a complaint to the UN. Ughh.

165 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:57:17am

re: #158 ggt

There were Iranian assets frozen since 1979 that are covered. Then, there are assets that Iran attempts to access/acquire in the intervening years via shell companies and 3d parties that link back to the Iranian regime. Not all of those are immediately apparent, so a call to freeze assets would relate to those that Iran attempted to acquire since the last time such assets were frozen. It means doing a property/asset search and looking for shell companies and 3d parties and the links back to Iran or individuals doing business on behalf of Iran.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:57:27am

re: #149 lawhawk

This looks like a legit investigation and charges seem plausible. There had been a longstanding concern that terrorists might try to link up with drug gangs, particularly in Mexico to try and cross into the US to carry out attacks and/or fund operations. Seems that those concerns have been substantiated.

What I don't quite get is why the Iranians would try to carry out those kinds of attacks here - their fingerprints would be (and were) exposed pretty quickly and could lead to further direct action by the US against Iran beyond sanctions or the UN taking up the matter.

They hate us, we acknowledge Israel . . . . . .

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:57:39am

re: #150 engineer dog

sending a fluoride Gestapo around every day to force everyone to take fluoride pills

nobody likes to be forced to do anything, but the right seems pervaded by an overblown neurotic fear of it - when i point out that jesus calls very strongly for the kind of charity that they object to so much in gummint, they always say that christian charity is voluntary, as if the fact that you are compelled to pay taxes makes the charity it is used for bad and unchristian

i put it down to traumatic authoritarian upbringings, like those people you see in the mall screaming at their children "you WILL obey me young man!!!"

Christian charity is not 'voluntary'. I don't know where they picked this idea up from, but taking care of the poor is much less voluntary in Christianity than many things these people say they'll hold their breath and turn blue if they can't inflict them on the whole population.

Jesus also said to render unto Caesar.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:59:17am

re: #166 ggt

They hate us, we acknowledge Israel . . .

They hate us, but they're not normally stupid. I wonder what the successful outcome was supposed to produce.

169 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:59:59am

re: #165 lawhawk

There were Iranian assets frozen since 1979 that are covered. Then, there are assets that Iran attempts to access/acquire in the intervening years via shell companies and 3d parties that link back to the Iranian regime. Not all of those are immediately apparent, so a call to freeze assets would relate to those that Iran attempted to acquire since the last time such assets were frozen. It means doing a property/asset search and looking for shell companies and 3d parties and the links back to Iran or individuals doing business on behalf of Iran.

ah!

so, what do we do with these assets--auction them off and use the proceeds to reduce the national debt? siphon off what we can and go on vacation? Us it to reduce the cost of prosecution?

170 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:00:40pm

100 arrests at Occupy Boston
Paraphrasing-
Organizer "Brutally attacked by Police in riot gear"
Arrested person- "Calm situation Police were polite"
LOL Paged

171 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:01:36pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

They hate us, but they're not normally stupid. I wonder what the successful outcome was supposed to produce.

You think those Iranian Navy ships that are planned to go near maritime borders of the US might be connected?

172 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:02:00pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

Here is what CNN was told:

More sanctions and a complaint to the UN. Ughh.

lol

173 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:02:21pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

They hate us, but they're not normally stupid. I wonder what the successful outcome was supposed to produce.

Revolution? It' seems to be the meme with the Qods Force people.

174 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:03:10pm

re: #136 ggt

Has it been profitable for the DEA?

Yes. The ties between the Iranian equivalent of the DEA and our DEA had been relatively good over the last few year. How it goes now? Who knows?

175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:04:08pm

re: #170 Rightwingconspirator

100 arrests at Occupy Boston
Paraphrasing-
Organizer "Brutally attacked by Police in riot gear"
Arrested person- "Calm situation Police were polite"
LOL Paged

The Koskidz were outraged this morning posting hysterically title videos of "police brutality". No clubs, no mace, very minor scuffles, mostly standard arrests.

176 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:04:13pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

They hate us, but they're not normally stupid. I wonder what the successful outcome was supposed to produce.

We end up hunting cartels in our own backyard and get out of theirs.

177 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:04:44pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

I would hazard that they believed a successful attempt would sour relations between the United States and Saudi Arabia. But that's just a guess on my part.

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:05:34pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We end up hunting cartels in our own backyard and get out of theirs.

I thought the whole world was our "backyard" these days.

We are all connected --no?

179 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:05:46pm

Has the Iranian press reported this yet?

180 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:06:11pm

OWS "Hands off Iran!"
Image: 610x.jpg
That didn't take long

181 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:06:41pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We end up hunting cartels in our own backyard and get out of theirs.

What would be in it for the cartels, though? A relatively small one time money payment, with the risk of making it even harder for them to operate and maybe even leading to direct American military intervention?

182 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:07:42pm

re: #177 Bubblehead II

If anything it could have caused closer ties between the US and Saudis - but the Iranians might have been trying to get the drug cartels to attack and make it appear that the attacks were instigated by someone else (or that the US wasn't doing enough to protect) and therefore harm US-Saudi relations.

But this appears to be a clumsy plot with Iranian fingerprints all over it - so it would have harmed Iran's long term interests and goals unless they have something else in mind (getting the US to commit more forces to hunting in US and Mexico for terrorists and take focus off ME might be one possibility, but the fingerprints end up back in Tehran so that limits a change in focus).

183 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:08:14pm

I'm beginning to think that the Whacko's from every country and every Religion and every ideology want WWIII to bring on the Rapture (or their version of it).

They are all on the same side. Insanity.

184 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:08:23pm

re: #181 Simply Sarah

What would be in it for the cartels, though? A relatively small one time money payment, with the risk of making it even harder for them to operate and maybe even leading to direct American military intervention?

Possible arms deals maybe.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:08:42pm

re: #182 lawhawk

If anything it could have caused closer ties between the US and Saudis - but the Iranians might have been trying to get the drug cartels to attack and make it appear that the attacks were instigated by someone else (or that the US wasn't doing enough to protect) and therefore harm US-Saudi relations.

But this appears to be a clumsy plot with Iranian fingerprints all over it - so it would have harmed Iran's long term interests and goals unless they have something else in mind (getting the US to commit more forces to hunting in US and Mexico for terrorists and take focus off ME might be one possibility, but the fingerprints end up back in Tehran so that limits a change in focus).

A clumsy plot from Iran? hmmmmm . . . .

186 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:08:42pm

re: #181 Simply Sarah

Money, arms, weapons training, logistics (it isn't just for UPS or FedEx).

187 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:08:51pm

I think the Iranians want Sean Penn to investigate this so-called plot.
//

188 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:09:10pm

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Possible arms deals maybe.

But we're already selling them guns! Why would they need them from Iran?
/kinda

189 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:10:34pm

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Has the Iranian press reported this yet?

They issued a denial (at 2:14 EDT) and claimed Holder is ginning this up to distract attention from domestic problems. Moonbats and wingnuts from coast to coast have joined hands in support of this position.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:10:35pm

re: #188 Simply Sarah

But we're already selling them guns! Why would they need them from Iran?
/kinda

Maybe the Iranians are having a fire sale on guns.

191 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:10:36pm

re: #181 Simply Sarah

What would be in it for the cartels, though? A relatively small one time money payment, with the risk of making it even harder for them to operate and maybe even leading to direct American military intervention?

These are gang operations, they simply go wherever there is money, and do not concern themselves too greatly with long-term implications. And just the thought that another gang might get the contract would be enough motivation in itself.

But now we are beginning to see the price we pay for having a dysfunctional state on our southern border.

Somehow I cannot help thinking about parallells with Napoleon and Spain, which was the open sore on his southern flank that kept him from achieving success anywhere else in Europe.

And of course, you know what the Iranians have up their sleeve now that they have been stymied from the south: they are gonna try it via Canada. By building an enormous oil pipeline that can be used to funnel agents into America in special pods like the Chilean miners used...

192 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:10:40pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

OWS "Hands off Iran!"
Image: 610x.jpg
That didn't take long

My first thought was that looks like a Photoshop. How did they get such even Arial font on a hand lettered sign?

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:10:46pm

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Possible arms deals maybe.

But the ATF wasn't involved.

/half

194 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:11:03pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

OWS "Hands off Iran!"
Image: 610x.jpg
That didn't take long

i suggest taking up stamp collecting

195 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:11:22pm

I've been diligently looking through the Internets this morning looking for the Fluoride Gestapo's website, hoping I could join, but I've been unable to find it. Anyone here know where I can get in touch with the leaders of the movement so I can take it over join them?

196 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:11:48pm

re: #191 ralphieboy

These are gang operations, they simply go wherever there is money, and do not concernt themselves with long-term planning. And just the thought that another gang might get the contract would be enough motivation in itself.

But now we are beginning to see the price we pay for having a dysfunctional state on our southern border.

Somehow I cannot help thinking about parallells with Napoleon and Spain, which was the open sore on his southern flank that kept him from achieving success anywhere else in Europe.

And of course, you know what the Iranians have up their sleeve now that they have been stymied from the south: they are gonna try it via Canada. By building an enormous oil pipeline that can be used to funnel agents into America in special pods like the Chilean miners used...

So...what you're saying is that the answer to my question is that I'm trying to think too rationally again.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:12:02pm

re: #192 Alouette

My first thought was that looks like a Photoshop. How did they get such even Arial font on a hand lettered sign?

yes, the perspective isn't correct.

You made me look at at it again!

198 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:12:04pm

re: #183 ggt
..re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Possible arms deals maybe.

.no one needs you to explain when everyone thinks that your insane...

...Right!
The one thing the cartel have is LOTS OF MONEY...more than some countries have. They don't need money!

199 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:12:26pm

re: #188 Simply Sarah

But we're already selling them guns! Why would they need them from Iran?
/kinda

I'm betting the cartels wouldn't mind a few anti-ship missiles to keep the Coast Guard in line.

200 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:13:22pm

Sorry, I didn't realize we were now doing Iran.

201 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:14:06pm

Remember the Zimmermann Telegram in WWI?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

202 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:15:17pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

...They want Weapons Grade Weapons.....not this shit semi auto / hunting /plinking stuff....

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:15:28pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

They hate us, but they're not normally stupid. I wonder what the successful outcome was supposed to produce.

Maybe trying to get some of these people caught so they're out of the game without having the blood on their hands?

204 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:15:35pm

re: #195 b_sharp

I've been diligently looking through the Internets this morning looking for the Fluoride Gestapo's website, hoping I could join, but I've been unable to find it. Anyone here know where I can get in touch with the leaders of the movement so I can take it over join them?

It's part of Division 666; Pollution, Vaccination and Mind-Control; of the Zionist Central Directorate. Their office is just down the hall from ours (Plots, Conspiracies, and Dirty Tricks) and right across from the Bigfoot/UFO Task Force in the World Headquarters under the Denver Airport.

205 BishopX  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:15:58pm

Before everyone gets too hot and heavy about how problematic the cartels are, it would be prudent to consider that the cartels were not involved in this plot in any way. Iran allegedly approached a DEA agents posing as a member of the Zetas. There was no contact between Iran and the Cartels.

206 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:16:14pm

re: #201 ralphieboy

Remember the Zimmermann Telegram in WWI?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sure do! Did a report on the whole thing for...some class is high school which I cannot pinpoint right now.

207 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:16:33pm

Shit, now we're doing cartels.

208 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:16:45pm

re: #191 ralphieboy

These are gang operations, they simply go wherever there is money, and do not concern themselves too greatly with long-term implications. And just the thought that another gang might get the contract would be enough motivation in itself.

But now we are beginning to see the price we pay for having a dysfunctional state on our southern border.

Somehow I cannot help thinking about parallells with Napoleon and Spain, which was the open sore on his southern flank that kept him from achieving success anywhere else in Europe.

And of course, you know what the Iranians have up their sleeve now that they have been stymied from the south: they are gonna try it via Canada. By building an enormous oil pipeline that can be used to funnel agents into America in special pods like the Chilean miners used...

They should just lease the big tunnels the Chinese dug under the Pacific in the 50s and 60s and use those.
//

209 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:17:15pm

re: #205 BishopX

Before everyone gets too hot and heavy about how problematic the cartels are, it would be prudent to consider that the cartels were not involved in this plot in any way. Iran allegedly approached a DEA agents posing as a member of the Zetas. There was no contact between Iran and the Cartels.

Whew, I feel better about the cartels now.

210 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:17:21pm

re: #207 b_sharp

Shit, now we're doing cartels.

Well, who else do you think Iran would be getting the fluoride from?

211 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:17:27pm

Iran could easily ship weapons to the cartels by way of Venezuela. What they need is something in return and cartel money is just not enough. It does appear that there was no real contact, but that background would make it wholly plausible.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:18:48pm

AP: Israel, Hamas Announce Deal On Captured Soldier

[Link: www.npr.org...]

213 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:18:58pm

re: #205 BishopX

Before everyone gets too hot and heavy about how problematic the cartels are, it would be prudent to consider that the cartels were not involved in this plot in any way. Iran allegedly approached a DEA agents posing as a member of the Zetas. There was no contact between Iran and the Cartels.

Actually, the Iranians have had various deals with the cartels for years, just not in this specific incident.

214 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:19:01pm

christie reiterating the peculiar gop metaphor of "growing the pie"

in my experience, pie is made, not grown, and fails to get any bigger no matter how much you water it

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:19:24pm

re: #210 Simply Sarah

Well, who else do you think Iran would be getting the fluoride from?

They mine floruide in Iran? Who knew? I thought they just had oil and really good pistachios.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:19:57pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Iran could easily ship weapons to the cartels by way of Venezuela. What they need is something in return and cartel money is just not enough. It does appear that there was no real contact, but that background would make it wholly plausible.

So the majority of traceable guns in Mexico would be from Iran?

217 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:20:08pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Iran could easily ship weapons to the cartels by way of Venezuela. What they need is something in return and cartel money is just not enough.

Some nice Acapulco Gold!

218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:21:38pm

re: #214 engineer dog

christie reiterating the peculiar gop metaphor of "growing the pie"

in my experience, pie is made, not grown, and fails to get any bigger no matter how much you water it

I think the concept is that you can make the pie as big as you want --just make a bigger pie pan.

219 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:22:14pm

re: #214 engineer dog

christie reiterating the peculiar gop metaphor of "growing the pie"

in my experience, pie is made, not grown, and fails to get any bigger no matter how much you water it

Oh good! we get bigger crumbs now!

220 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:22:20pm

I thought I would never live to see the denizens of Free Republic and Red State speaking out in perfect solidarity with the Iranian government in a conflict with the USA, but that is exactly what is happening.

Scroll to 2:14

An alleged plot - involving Iran - to commit terrorism inside the United States "is a fabrication," Ali Akbar Javanfekr, spokesman for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Tuesday.

Javanfekr said the Iranian government is awaiting details, but suggested U.S. authorities are attempting to distract American citizens from "domestic problems" by convincing them there is an outside threat.

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:22:25pm

re: #218 ggt

I think the concept is that you can make the pie as big as you want --just make a bigger pie pan.

Which is, in essence, what our Brave New Global World is. People just need a few decades to internalize it.

222 Dante41  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:23:08pm

re: #212 wlewisiii

AP: Israel, Hamas Announce Deal On Captured Soldier

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Whoa. I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I never expected for the Israelis to actually get him back. Here's to hoping he comes home alive and safe.

223 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:23:43pm

re: #212 wlewisiii

Ynet is reporting 450 Palestinians for Shalit, and Israel would then release another 550.

What I haven't seen is a list of who exactly is among the 1,000 Palestinians (and yes, that 1,000 figure is the same rough number since the outside the this whole sad saga).

There have been claims that a deal has been reached before, only to watch it blow up. Until I see Shalit embraced by his family in Israel, I'm wary.

Moreover, the prisoner swap is going to be a big win for Hamas - and they'll treat it as such.

224 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:23:51pm

Weird, nothing on Drudge about the Iranian plot…

225 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:23:51pm

re: #222 Dante41

Whoa. I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I never expected for the Israelis to actually get him back. Here's to hoping he comes home alive and safe.

I'll believe it when I see it.

226 Dante41  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:23:51pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

Really drives home where their priorities are, huh?

227 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:24:24pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

I thought I would never live to see the denizens of Free Republic and Red State speaking out in perfect solidarity with the Iranian government in a conflict with the USA, but that is exactly what is happening.

Scroll to 2:14

..You obviously misunderestimate the threat of FLORIDE!!/

228 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:24:33pm

The confusion mouse just ran through my ears. We're now onto pies. Big pies.

But no whipped cream.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:24:39pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

I thought I would never live to see the denizens of Free Republic and Red State speaking out in perfect solidarity with the Iranian government in a conflict with the USA, but that is exactly what is happening.

Scroll to 2:14

red herring?

230 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:24:55pm

re: #221 ggt

Which is, in essence, what our Brave New Global World is. People just need a few decades to internalize it.

brave new pie?

"oh brave new pie, that has such berries in it!"

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:25:06pm

re: #228 b_sharp

The confusion mouse just ran through my ears. We're now onto pies. Big pies.

But no whipped cream.

too many calories.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:25:26pm

re: #230 engineer dog

brave new pie?

"oh brave new pie, that has such berries in it!"

I was thinking Strawberry/Rhubarb!

233 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:25:58pm

re: #228 b_sharp

The confusion mouse just ran through my ears. We're now onto pies. Big pies.

But no whipped cream.

Whipped cream is a plot by BIG DAIRY to get flouride into our diet.

234 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:26:21pm

re: #229 ggt

red herring?

Now fish.

How can I keep up? Eat faster?

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:26:38pm

re: #233 oaktree

mOOOOOOOO!

236 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:26:38pm

re: #228 b_sharp

The confusion mouse just ran through my ears. We're now onto pies. Big pies.

But no whipped cream.

I had pie last night. Chocolate silk, with lots of whipped cream and shaved chocolate strips as topping.

237 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:26:48pm

re: #216 ggt

So the majority of traceable guns in Mexico would be from Iran?

Given the workings of the international arms market, they wouldn't necessarily be traceable, at least not to a publicly undeniable degree. The Iranians could arrange delivery direct from any number of suppliers, many of which would not themselves be the original source. Any deal with Iran would probably not involve small arms anyway, since the cartels have a variety of sources for those. They could use explosives, though, along with MANPADS, RPGs, and components for IEDs.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:27:03pm

re: #234 b_sharp

Now fish.

How can I keep up? Eat faster?

Metaphors make for a unsatisfying diet.

I suggest Chocolate.

239 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:27:37pm

re: #235 ggt

mOOO!

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Interrupting cow.

Interrupt---

MOOO!

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:27:48pm

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

Given the workings of the international arms market, they wouldn't necessarily be traceable, at least not to a publicly undeniable degree. The Iranians could arrange delivery direct from any number of suppliers, many of which would not themselves be the original source. Any deal with Iran would probably not involve small arms anyway, since the cartels have a variety of sources for those. They could use explosives, though, along with MANPADS, RPGs, and components for IEDs.

So the US would still get the blame because the traceable weapons would come from us?

241 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:28:10pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I had pie last night. Chocolate silk, with lots of whipped cream and shaved chocolate strips as topping.

You do know torture is illegal, right?

242 iossarian  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:29:04pm

re: #239 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Interrupting cow.

Interrupt---

MOOO!

Toc toc.

Qui est là?

Alozma.

Alozma qui?

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:29:39pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We end up hunting cartels in our own backyard and get out of theirs.

Were we actually supposed to believe that Los Zetas were going after Saudi diplomats?

244 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:29:54pm

re: #240 ggt

So the US would still get the blame because the traceable weapons would come from us?

Pretty much, yes.

245 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:29:57pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

I thought I would never live to see the denizens of Free Republic and Red State speaking out in perfect solidarity with the Iranian government in a conflict with the USA

Why not? Their AstroTurf financial backers love them some Iran:

Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales

246 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:30:52pm

Who said it? OWS or some teabagger?

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:30:58pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

OWS "Hands off Iran!"
Image: 610x.jpg
That didn't take long

Doubt it's in response to this at all. That's just part of the junk drawer of causes.

248 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:32:01pm
249 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:32:05pm

Washington Post/Bloomberg News Poll. Oct. 6-9, 2011
"If a Republican were president right now, do you think the economy would be better, worse, or about the same as it is now?"
Better 23%
Worse 25%
"Please tell me if you would support or oppose each of the following to help reduce the nation's budget deficit. . . ."
"Raising taxes on households with incomes of 250 thousand dollars per year and higher"
Support 68%
Oppose 27%
"Reducing military spending"
Support 51%
Oppose 42%
"Raising taxes on the middle class"
Support 18%
Oppose 79%
"Reducing Medicare benefits"
Support 14%
Oppose 82%
"Reducing Social Security benefits"
Support 13%
Oppose 83%

explain to me again why republicans think 2012 is gonna be a good year for them?

250 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:32:15pm

RE: Fluoridation: The Alex Jones version of this is that it is a secret New World Order eugenics plot that reduces fertility, reduces IQ, and gives bone cancer.

Btw, Alex Jones' father is a dentist and a member of the John Birch Society…

[Link: www.google.com...]

251 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:32:18pm

IRNA responds...

US new propaganda campaign against Iran

Tehran, Oct 11, IRNA, -- Islamic Republic News Agency was informed a few minutes ago by a source in the United States that the US Government is launching a new propaganda campaign against the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The campaign is focused on a story in which an Iranian named Mansour Arbab Sayyar planned to attack embassies of Saudi Arabia and the Zionist regime in Washington.

The story quotes American officials saying that Arbab Sayyar, 56, received orders from the Government in Tehran.

The American officials have also claimed that Arbab Sayyar, in a meeting with a US secret police agent in July this year, offered him money in return for the terrorist attack.

The source told IRNA that US Government is to release a statement on this issue.

252 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:32:42pm
253 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:32:54pm

hurts christie more than it helps romney

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:33:00pm

re: #192 Alouette

My first thought was that looks like a Photoshop. How did they get such even Arial font on a hand lettered sign?

I think it's printed.

255 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:33:31pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

Were we actually supposed to believe that Los Zetas were going after Saudi diplomats?

I strongly suspect a connection with the many beheaded bodies Governor Brewer referred to in the Arizona desert and the Farsi tattoos that Rep. Sue Myrick alleges are becoming common in the border region!

256 iossarian  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:33:37pm

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. The Onion should do a piece where Iran denies involvement with the Kochs.

"We would never do a deal with those scumbags. Some things are beyond the pale."

257 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:34:17pm

re: #245 publicityStunted

Why not? Their AstroTurf financial backers love them some Iran:

Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales

Just imagine the entrepreneurial possibilities that would be available in Iran, with a union-free labor environment enforced by the IRG and the mullahs. Iranian women could supply a disciplined and docile work force that would make enslaved Chinese children look like the Molly Maguires.

258 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:34:21pm

re: #246 darthstar

Who said it? OWS or some teabagger?

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

heh

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:34:30pm

re: #203 wlewisiii

Maybe trying to get some of these people caught so they're out of the game without having the blood on their hands?

?? Which people?

260 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:34:56pm

re: #246 darthstar

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

Occupy Las Vegas

Protest disbanded by police after being mistaken by tourists for Mexican kids handing out escort advertising cards. Considering relocation to Hoover Dam since nobody who works for the government will go anywhere near a giant infrastructure project.

Occupy Seattle

Drum circle and weed turned out to be way too excellent for the protest to stay focused. Light rain prompted a relocation to Top Pot for Diplomat drips and crullers.

Occupy Miami

Protest held in different place every day depending on location of best food trucks according to twitter.

Occupy Topeka

Class warfare declared illegal by Governor Sam Brownback. Protestors rounded up and forced to watch ultrasounds of their theoretical unborn children losing all income mobility due to overtaxation of job creators.

261 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:35:20pm

Another possibility is that this plot was the result of factions fighting within the Iranian regime .

Ahmadinejad is already facing scrutiny over major bank fraud in Iran that would be on Madoff scale (where people close to Ahmadinejad may have aided/abetted/profited from the fraud).

This could have been a ploy by Ahmadinejad's opponents to discredit him (or by Ahmadinejad to discredit those opponents if the perps are linked back to the opposition).

262 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:36:42pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's printed.

the lettering isn't even with the paper it is supposed to be printed on.

263 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:36:58pm

re: #240 ggt

So the US would still get the blame because the traceable weapons would come from us?

Yep. By the rules of the game it doesn't imply direct interference.

Thus all the initial gaming of the Afghanistan situation in the 70s and 80s to only pass weapons and ammo that the rebels could expect to get locally; e.g. Lee-Enfields, AK47s, etc.

Stingers being deployed were an open admission that we (the US) were confronting the Soviets directly there.

264 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:38:01pm

re: #240 ggt

We (USA) are not the only manufactures of extremly fine and deadly weapons.
The Swiss(I think) make a 50 cal sniper rifle that rivals anything we have
Russia,China,N.K....etc
Hell ...they can probably buy direct from H.K.or through a wholesaler.
It's harder to purchase a fully automatic weapon in the USA than any country in the western hemisphere...
American MILITARY weapons are STOLEN from our allies...(or previous allies who are now our sworn enemies)If you know what I mean!
The semi standardization of ammo has helped ....(Them not us)!

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:38:14pm

re: #262 ggt

the lettering isn't even with the paper it is supposed to be printed on.

So...someone photoshopped an image of a perfectly normal looking protest sign?

So confused.

266 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:38:38pm

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Has the Iranian press reported this yet?

Nothing yet here:

[Link: www.presstv.ir...]
[Link: english.farsnews.com...]
[Link: isna.ir...]

267 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:39:05pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

So...someone photoshopped an image of a perfectly normal looking protest sign?

So confused.

Exactly! Now you're getting it!

268 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:39:13pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

So...someone photoshopped an image of a perfectly normal looking protest sign?

So confused.

Real or photoshopped?

ARM THE HOMELESS!

269 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:40:12pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

So...someone photoshopped an image of a perfectly normal looking protest sign?

So confused.

Looks like whatever was on the sign was erased using the brush tool and HANDS OFF IRAN added in a text layer.

I have created a bunch of Photoshop spoof faux "protest signs" in my day.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:40:38pm

re: #267 Simply Sarah

Exactly! Now you're getting it!

OK. I can accept that, I suppose. Why?

271 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:41:18pm

re: #268 NJDhockeyfan

There's a great IDEA......NOT!!!

272 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:41:45pm

re: #269 Alouette

Looks like whatever was on the sign was erased using the brush tool and HANDS OFF IRAN added in a text layer.

I have created a bunch of Photoshop spoof faux "protest signs" in my day.

Thing is, I wouldn't be shocked to see that sort of sign at a left-wing demonstration, today or any other day.

273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:42:28pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

So...someone photoshopped an image of a perfectly normal looking protest sign?

So confused.

Well the hand drawn "hands" at the bottom would lead one to believe the "printed text" is correct --but I think it probably said something like "hands off money" or Afghanistan or something. Iran doesn't seem to be a focus of OWS.

Look at it again, the wrinkling of the paper etc, doesn't jive with the lettering.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:42:45pm

re: #272 Simply Sarah

Thing is, I wouldn't be shocked to see that sort of sign at a left-wing demonstration, today or any other day.

Yeah, this.

It's a fairly common slogan, has been since the saber-rattling started to turn that way some years ago.

275 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:42:49pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. I can accept that, I suppose. Why?

My question is how did it get into the Daylife photo stream? Although we have already seen that can be done with the Reuters "clone stamp smoke" photos.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:42:58pm

re: #268 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

ARM THE HOMELESS!

real!

277 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:43:04pm

re: #266 000G


re: #251 NJDhockeyfan


oops nevermind

278 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:43:15pm
279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:43:50pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

definitely not silicone!

280 R.M, Ramallo  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:44:05pm

Yeah, this is just another Dem. wag the dog.
Kind of like Clinton and Osama.
//

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:44:10pm

re: #273 ggt

Well the hand drawn "hands" at the bottom would lead one to believe the "printed text" is correct --but I think it probably said something like "hands off money" or Afghanistan or something. Iran doesn't seem to be a focus of OWS.

Look at it again, the wrinkling of the paper etc, doesn't jive with the lettering.

I totally accept that it's Photoshopped, it's just that I've seen signs that said 'Hands off Iran' before, and given the wide range of folks running around with signs, another one wouldn't surprise me.

282 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:44:18pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

Miss National Geographic 2011.

283 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:44:21pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

Who would fotoshop those saggers???LOLOLO

284 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:44:30pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

I dunno, but I do know it's also borderline NSFW, depending on your work environment. *cough*

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:45:14pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

It's a pity his first name doesn't end with something they could have incorporated the cross into.

286 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:45:15pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. I can accept that, I suppose. Why?

I, uh, dunno. Can I get back to you on that? Someday? Maybe?

287 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:45:30pm

re: #284 Simply Sarah

I dunno, but I do know it's also borderline NSFW, depending on your work environment. *cough*

...for what??? no miss spelled words!!

288 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:45:33pm

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

IRNA responds...

US new propaganda campaign against Iran

Doesn't sound like a lot of pushback. Very vague. Probably awaiting more specific instructions from higher-up.

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:45:49pm

re: #287 reloadingisnotahobby

...for what??? no miss spelled words!!

stretch marks

290 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:46:13pm

re: #288 000G

Doesn't sound like a lot of pushback. Very vague. Probably awaiting more specific instructions from higher-up.

Such as claiming it's a Mossad false flag operation?

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:46:28pm

re: #288 000G

Doesn't sound like a lot of pushback. Very vague. Probably awaiting more specific instructions from higher-up.

How many of the people in Iran are really fooled by this BS?

292 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:46:29pm

re: #264 reloadingisnotahobby

We (USA) are not the only manufactures of extremly fine and deadly weapons.
The Swiss(I think) make a 50 cal sniper rifle that rivals anything we have
Russia,China,N.K...etc
Hell ...they can probably buy direct from H.K.or through a wholesaler.
It's harder to purchase a fully automatic weapon in the USA than any country in the western hemisphere...
American MILITARY weapons are STOLEN from our allies...(or previous allies who are now our sworn enemies)If you know what I mean!
The semi standardization of ammo has helped ...(Them not us)!

In the 80s, it was a standard lefty meme on the lecture circuit that "advanced weapons" in the hands of drug dealers, terrorists, and other bad guys "could only have come from the CIA."
Those making this claim could never specifically identify any of these weapons or describe how they established that these were available only through the CIA. The audience assumption was apparently that there are whole categories of weapons that are unique to US provenance. This assumption was seldom questioned.

293 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:46:54pm

re: #246 darthstar

Who said it? OWS or some teabagger?

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I got 6 out of 9.

6-9: Well brewed!

294 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:47:08pm

re: #287 reloadingisnotahobby

...for what??? no miss spelled words!!

For the "all it takes is one crazy prude".

295 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:47:47pm

Once upon a time a young lady found she could get a lot of attention flashing her bosoms at people. Unfortunately, someone forget to tell her about gravity, and expiration dates.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:47:47pm

re: #292 Shiplord Kirel

In the 80s, it was a standard lefty meme on the lecture circuit that "advanced weapons" in the hands of drug dealers, terrorists, and other bad guys "could only have come from the CIA."
Those making this claim could never specifically identify any of these weapons or describe how they established that these were available only through the CIA. The audience assumption was apparently that there are whole categories of weapons that are unique to US provenance. This assumption was seldom questioned.

Here we are in the Brave New World Congnitive Dissonance™ territory. Old World thinkers can't fathom that ANYTHING worth having could come from anywhere but the US.

297 iossarian  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:48:33pm

re: #295 EmmmieG

Once upon a time a young lady found she could get a lot of attention flashing her bosoms at people. Unfortunately, someone forget to tell her about gravity, and expiration dates.

Seems like she's still getting a lot of attention.

298 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:48:52pm

re: #296 ggt

Here we are in the Brave New World Congnitive Dissonance™ territory. Old World thinkers can't fathom that ANYTHING worth having could come from anywhere but the US.

Except fancy sportscars?

299 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:48:53pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

Real or photoshopped?

Photoshopped. The original was "Repeal the law of gravity!"

300 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:49:30pm

re: #246 darthstar

Who said it? OWS or some teabagger?

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Gotta love it.

301 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:49:37pm

re: #297 iossarian

Seems like she's still getting a lot of attention.

Not the type she wished for, though.

302 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:49:39pm

re: #287 reloadingisnotahobby

Your avatar is not showing up in the comments, although it does show up in the Spy.

I think you might need to reload it.

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:51:09pm

re: #298 oaktree

Except fancy sportscars?

DETROIT! only.

Buy American.

304 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:51:41pm

re: #293 wrenchwench

I got 6 out of 9.

8 out of 9 for me :) But the one I got wrong was especially painful: mistakenly attributing a Mark Williams (of "taxpayers are n****" fame) quote to OWS! *hangs head*

305 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:54:32pm

re: #303 ggt

DETROIT! only.

Buy American.

Given the Jaguars, BMWs, Porshes, etc. I see about I doubt that the mindset in terms of auto purchase is buy American in that set. The "Buy American" meme is something they sell to the masses, not something they follow themselves.

306 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:54:38pm

re: #304 publicityStunted

8 out of 9 for me :) But the one I got wrong was especially painful: mistakenly attributing a Mark Williams (of "taxpayers are n***" fame) quote to OWS! *hangs head*

Toughest test I've taken in a while! (The one you missed I got right.)

307 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:55:53pm

Gotta do a little work...later.

308 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:56:00pm

re: #293 wrenchwench

I got 6 out of 9.

I got 7/9

1. "very afraid of bankruptcy" = Giveaway of pro-capitalist sentiments. anarcho-communist WANT the system to collapse.
3. "no difference between Obama and Bush" = Tea Partiers may retroactively condemn "the liberal" Bush, but they hate him not nearly as much as Obama. Dead giveaway.

I got thrown off by questions 5 and 7.

309 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:56:31pm

re: #305 oaktree

Given the Jaguars, BMWs, Porshes, etc. I see about I doubt that the mindset in terms of auto purchase is buy American in that set. The "Buy American" meme is something they sell to the masses, not something they follow themselves.

I think it's more a matter of the Arrogance of Martyrdom™. Anything bad must be our fault directly or indirectly. Because we have abortion and open homosexuality and flouride in our water -- it is our fault and we must atone.

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:59:44pm

re: #246 darthstar

Who said it? OWS or some teabagger?

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

4/9, I did much better on the Fed Economic Quiz.

311 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:07:13pm

re: #280 OhNoZombies!

wag the dog

hey!

wag yerself, buster!

312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:34:26pm

re: #304 publicityStunted

8 out of 9 for me :) But the one I got wrong was especially painful: mistakenly attributing a Mark Williams (of "taxpayers are n***" fame) quote to OWS! *hangs head*

Actually, that was Dale Robinson of Texas.

Mark Williams was the confederate who railed against the NAACP when they went after the tea party. Even Tea Party Express thought it was so bad, they kicked him out.

Tea Party Nation then picked him up, where he has remained ever since.

But yeah the tea party is just like OWS /eyeroll

313 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:34:33pm

Focused like a lazer on jobs!!!!

314 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:08pm

Dang, just ran through some of my photos from earlier today at Zuccotti Park - and when I thought that the loons protesting Johnson and Johnson were just plain nuts, I had no idea.

They weren't just nutters and conspiracy loons, but are anti-fluoride loons at that and think that J&J is out to murder people with dental floss.


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