Perry Refuses Romney's Request to Disavow Extremist Pastor

Perry Refuses Romney’s Request to Disavow Extremist Pastor

Cult leader calls Romney a cultist, Rick Perry co-signs

WingnutsOctober 2011 • Views: 21,111

It’s a religious right slap-fight, started by one of Rick Perry’s closest religious fanatic pals, Baptist preacher Robert Jeffress, who called Mormonism a “cult” at last weekend’s Values Voter Summit.

Other Republican politicians are condemning this outright religious bigotry, and today Mitt Romney called on Rick Perry to repudiate Jeffress’s comments.

Perry’s answer: no.

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Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:50:14pm

Why would Perry? All it would do is piss off his base.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:51:03pm

This is going to get ugly and Perry knows he can't disavow the minister's words.

iossarian Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:51:18pm

Ah, the merry babble of squabbling fundies. Republican primary season is upon us again!

wrenchwench Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:51:34pm

Maybe he'd be willing to refudiate it, since Palin's not running.

Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:51:44pm

With his frozen smile and inappropriately cheery tone, this Jeffress guy looks more like a brainwashed cultist than any Mormon I've seen lately.

lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:52:29pm

Perry: "What?! Me Worry?!"

He wont disavow, or if he does, it will be the typical disingenuous sort.

It's yet another sign that Perry lacks the character or judgment to be President.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:52:37pm

So, some in the GOP are getting it? The whole separation of church and state concept?

Simply Sarah Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:52:38pm

re: #3 iossarian

Ah, the merry babble of squabbling fundies. Republican primary season is upon us again!

Did the last one ever truly end?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:54:11pm

Different person, but what about Fischer's hateful words about Muslims?

What about the hateful words about Catholics?

engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:55:21pm

gop party bosses want rombley, you teabaggers will eat rombley and like it dagnabbit

makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:56:01pm

This is going to kill Perry with the non-crazy public, and he seems to be too damn stupid to realize it.

Note to Perry: That shit don't play outside of Texas.

Ming Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:56:22pm

The one thing that excited the base about Perry, when he entered the race, was that he would fight dirty and do anything to win. All the base cares about is having a mean, tough guy who will defeat Obama.

Right now, this is the card that Perry is playing. By having his surrogate preacher come right out and attack Mitt Romney's religion, even call it a "cult", Perry is saying to the base: "Hey! Remember me? Whatever you think of my debate performances, I'm the guy who will play cards from the bottom of the deck. If you want to beat Obama in 2012, I'm your man!"

zora Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:58:54pm

charles, your tweet is featured on the front page of huffington post with the "christie endorses romney" article.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:00:11pm

Pamela Geller's professional analysis of the Iranian plot:

Act of War: Muslim American et al Arrested in Iranian Plot to commit a "significant terrorist act in the United States"

Jihadists teamed with Mexican drug cartels in Mexico (long infiltrated by Hizb'allah) to launch a massive Islamic attack in the United States and assassinate the Saudi ambassador in America.

Why is that criminal gun runner Holder handling this? This is the Pengaon's jurisdicton.

Has Hamas-tied CAIR filed a lawsuit against the FBI or DEA yet for Islamophobia?

allegro Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:00:38pm

re: #11 makeitstop

This is going to kill Perry with the non-crazy public, and he seems to be too damn stupid to realize it.

Note to Perry: That shit don't play outside of Texas.

I don't think it plays in Texas either. I have never seen Perry use religion as a campaign tactic here. His sudden prayer meetings only started with his preparation to jump into the presidential race.

makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:01:09pm

re: #14 000G

Pamela Geller's professional analysis of the Iranian plot:

Dirt-stupid, that one.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:02:02pm

re: #14 000G

Pamela Geller's professional analysis of the Iranian plot:

She's made that the attorney general is involved with a case that involves drug cartels? Seriously Pam just quit while you're ahead.

Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:02:14pm

re: #14 000G

Pamela Geller's professional analysis of the Iranian plot:

Who is Pengaon and what position does he have in the administration?
/

Henchman 26 Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:02:30pm

re: #15 allegro

I don't think it plays in Texas either. I have never seen Perry use religion as a campaign tactic here. His sudden prayer meetings only started with his preparation to jump into the presidential race.

How many times has he appointed a creationist as chair of the school board?

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:02:32pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

She's made that the attorney general is involved with a case that involves drug cartels? Seriously Pam just quit while you're ~~ahead~~behind.

ftfy

makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:03:04pm

re: #15 allegro

I don't think it plays in Texas either. I have never seen Perry use religion as a campaign tactic here. His sudden prayer meetings only started with his preparation to jump into the presidential race.

If he thinks the Fundie base is going to carry him to the White House, I'll just conclude that math isn't his strong suit.

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:03:48pm

Netanyahu announces deal for Gilad Shalit release.

allegro Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:04:44pm

re: #19 b_sharp

How many times has he appointed a creationist as chair of the school board?

There is that. I was not intending to give the guy cover - I can't stand the creep. I just meant that religion was never a campaign issue that I'm aware of.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:05:23pm

re: #22 Charles

I didn't think that would ever happen.

Obdicut Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:05:53pm

re: #24 000G

I am really, really, really hoping that another Israeli soldier isn't immediately kidnapped.

Henchman 26 Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:05:57pm

re: #23 allegro

There is that. I was not intending to give the guy cover - I can't stand the creep. I just meant that religion was never a campaign issue that I'm aware of.

That's possibly true, he seems more interested in stealth creationist politics.

Daniel Ballard Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:07:32pm

re: #22 Charles

"Expected to involve hundreds of Palestinian prisoners."
Truly thrilled for Gilad and his family. But the lopsided nature of this deal reeks to heaven.

Henchman 26 Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:07:37pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Who is Pengaon and what position does he have in the administration?
/

Stool pigeon droppings coordinator.

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lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:10:50pm

re: #22 Charles

The deal is largely the same basic framework that Hamas had demanded - 1000 Palestinians for Shalit.

Hamas will release Shalit when Israel releases 450 Palestinians are released; Israel will follow with the release of another 550 Palestinians.

Hamas is already crowing: Hamas officials call Schalit deal a 'historic victory'
Izaddin al-Kassam spokesman claims that Israel has accepted all the demands of the captors.

Abu Obaida, spokesman for the armed wing of Hamas, Izaddin al-Kassam, said that the agreement includes prisoners from east Jerusalem, Israeli Arabs and all females and minors. He also pointed out that two-thirds of the prisoners who would be released in return for Gilad Schalit are serving lengthy terms in prison.

Thus far, I haven't seen Marwan Barghouti's name, but that may be one of those terrorists released.

Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:13:01pm

re: #27 Rightwingconspirator

"Expected to involve hundreds of Palestinian prisoners."
Truly thrilled for Gilad and his family. But the lopsided nature of this deal reeks to heaven.

Hopefully we'll learn more about where he was held. Probably Syria or Iran. The 100 or so released Palestinians will be back in jail or killed in action soon enough.

Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:15:23pm

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sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:15:51pm

re: #24 000G

I didn't think that would ever happen.

iirc,, they've come close to reaching "deals" in the past with nothing to show for it

I pray this one happens and if it does, I hope it leads to more dialog

lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:17:34pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

They've had framework deals in place in the past - and then broken down over who would be named among those released. Might still happen here.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:21:26pm

I'm off for a while. Have to accomplish something.

Have a great afternoon all!

sattv4u2 Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:22:53pm

re: #34 lawhawk

They've had framework deals in place in the past - and then broken down over who would be named among those released. Might still happen here.

My thoughts exactly

Simply Sarah Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:24:14pm

re: #34 lawhawk

They've had framework deals in place in the past - and then broken down over who would be named among those released. Might still happen here.

Yeah, I'm not taking anything for granted on this until the swap has actually occurred successfully.

Talking Point Detective Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:27:31pm

Popcorn worthy.re: #2 HappyWarrior

This is going to get ugly and Perry knows he can't disavow the minister's words.

This whole squabble is popcorn worthy.

Apparently, Christie just endorsed Romney, largely identifying the whole "Mormonism is a cult" situation as a reason.

Looks like Perry is cooked. Perhaps the only question left is whether rightwing extremists will sit on their hands rather than vote for Romney. The longer this in-fighting takes place, the more likely that would become.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:29:04pm

re: #38 Talking Point Detective

Popcorn worthy.

This whole squabble is popcorn worthy.

Apparently, Christie just endorsed Romney, largely identifying the whole "Mormonism is a cult" situation as a reason.

Looks like Perry is cooked. Perhaps the only question left is whether rightwing extremists will sit on their hands rather than vote for Romney. The longer this in-fighting takes place, the more likely that would become.

I imagine as a Catholic, Christie was none too happy about the minister calling Catholicism satanist too.

Talking Point Detective Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:29:18pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Perry: "What?! Me Worry?!"

It's yet another sign that Perry lacks the character or judgment to be President.

Which attribute you'd desire in a president does Perry not lack?

Good hair?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:30:35pm

re: #27 Rightwingconspirator

"Expected to involve hundreds of Palestinian prisoners."
Truly thrilled for Gilad and his family. But the lopsided nature of this deal reeks to heaven.

It's the standard one.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:31:37pm

re: #30 lawhawk

The deal is largely the same basic framework that Hamas had demanded - 1000 Palestinians for Shalit.

Hamas will release Shalit when Israel releases 450 Palestinians are released; Israel will follow with the release of another 550 Palestinians.

Hamas is already crowing: Hamas officials call Schalit deal a 'historic victory'
Izaddin al-Kassam spokesman claims that Israel has accepted all the demands of the captors.

Thus far, I haven't seen Marwan Barghouti's name, but that may be one of those terrorists released.

I hate to say this, but I haven't seen it anywhere.

Has Hamas confirmed or proven that he's alive?

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:31:47pm

The German government trojan apparently was created by a Hessian firm called DigiTask which seems to be a 100% subsidiary of Deloitte, according to Wikipedia "the second largest private professional services organisation in the world."
http://www.wiwo.de/technik-wissen/auf-der-spur-des-trojaners-484728/
And look who's on the advisory board for Deloitte: Otto Schily, former German Minister of Interior!

Meanwhile, our current Minister of Interior is back from his little vacation in Afghanistan and assures that Bavaria has not broken any law… right…
And the general secretary of the Liberals (FDP) came together with the CCC and afterwards compared the software to a house search after which the back door would be left open.
[Link: www.tagesschau.de...]

And furthermore, after having been a bigmouth in the press about it, Bavaria's Minister of Interior stops the usage of the trojan in his state:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

Achilles Tang Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:32:04pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

This is going to get ugly and Perry knows he can't disavow the minister's words.

...any more than Romney can disavow a known fraudster's golden plates.

lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:32:50pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Good question, but I don't think Bibi would authorize a deal unless they had proof he was alive.

celticdragon Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:34:25pm

Here is Jeffress saying some really nasty things about Catholics.

Youtube Video

I wish Chris Matthews had seen this clip before interviewing that asshole yesterday...

kirkspencer Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:34:53pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Good question, but I don't think Bibi would authorize a deal unless they had proof he was alive.

I'm a lot less trusting in Bibi than you are, apparently.

celticdragon Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:36:28pm

re: #25 Obdicut

I am really, really, really hoping that another Israeli soldier isn't immediately kidnapped.

Yeah.

I don't blame the Israelis for wanting their guy back, but I am afraid this will encourage more of the same. Bad times.

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:36:51pm

re: #46 celticdragon

Here is Jeffress saying some really nasty things about Catholics.[Link: youtu.be...]

I wish Chris Matthews had seen this clip before interviewing that asshole yesterday...

Funny since he's basically arguing that his religion is a product of Satanism. No Roman church means no Protestant church.

lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:37:09pm

re: #47 kirkspencer

Do you think Bibi would face the firestorm of protests that would occur if Israelis got Shalit returned in a coffin rather than alive and well? His government would collapse - and I don't think he'd go that route.

That's why I think his approval of the deal is based on proof of life (something that hasn't yet made press and is supposition on my part).

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:38:16pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Good question, but I don't think Bibi would authorize a deal unless they had proof he was alive.

They've done it before. I don't know. Afraid to get too excited.

lostlakehiker Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:38:36pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

This is going to get ugly and Perry knows he can't disavow the minister's words.

It's not going to get ugly. It's ugly.

"Cult" is a strong word. It might, at a stretch, fit Scientology. It surely fit the Branch Davidians, and the Jonestown, Guyana "People's Temple" group.

Members of a cult have given over their lives, their fortunes, and abandoning all honor, their moral selves, to the cult leadership. To call the Mormons a cult is to put forward a monstrous and wretched lie.

Mormon beliefs may seem funny to many outsiders. Me included. But a lot of religions have beliefs that, especially if one knows little or nothing about how these beliefs are given shape and context by secondary texts and traditions within the faith, seem odd.

How, then, do Mormons behave in daily life, in their interactions with each other and with the wider society? Their early history includes some rocky bits, but what about today?

We all know the answer: they don't make good pub crawling buddies, and they're socially conservative, but after that, there's not much to complain about. They've dropped the racial angle, for instance.

Unlike, say, "fundies", their members show up on lists of top scientists more often than bean counting would suggest.

celticdragon Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:38:44pm

re: #14 000G

Pamela Geller's professional analysis of the Iranian plot:

If the assassinations and bombings had happened, they would have amounted to a Casus Belli. The plot was broken before it got that far.

kirkspencer Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:40:36pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Do you think Bibi would face the firestorm of protests that would occur if Israelis got Shalit returned in a coffin rather than alive and well? His government would collapse - and I don't think he'd go that route.

That's why I think his approval of the deal is based on proof of life (something that hasn't yet made press and is supposition on my part).

Disagree. I think he'd declaim it better to have the body than allow "them" to desecrate it further, and whip the firestorm into more rage against the arabs.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:43:31pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Funny since he's basically arguing that his religion is a product of Satanism. No Roman church means no Protestant church.

Not the way they see it. The concept with many appears to be that Protestantism is a revival of true early Christianity, and Catholicism is simply a heretical sidetrack.

jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:43:52pm

Article VI, paragraph 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

I'm sure Perry and all who would support him would swear on a stack of Bibles that they're the strongest kind of Constitution supporters.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:44:39pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Funny since he's basically arguing that his religion is a product of Satanism. No Roman church means no Protestant church.

The logic doesn't work that way. They're the "fixed" version much as they claim Christianity is the "fixed" version that got right what the Jewish faith did not, etc. etc.

lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:45:46pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Israel has released prisoners (those who were already expected to be released in short order like under 6 months until release) to get proof of life that Shalit was alive.

They've also carried out prisoner releases to recover remains of soldiers killed in Lebanon.

Last we knew, Shalit was alive (this goes back more than a year). I don't think that's changed.

SpaceJesus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:45:51pm

wouldn't it be funny to see a blue utah

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:46:32pm

re: #56 jaunte

Article VI, paragraph 3:

I'm sure Perry and all who would support him would swear on a stack of Bibles that they're the strongest kind of Constitution supporters.

Up to the point they advocate secession from it in order to save it of course.
//

HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:46:51pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

Not the way they see it. The concept with many appears to be that Protestantism is a revival of true early Christianity, and Catholicism is simply a heretical sidetrack.

True that.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:54:57pm

For those interested, the possibly faster than light Neutrinos have likely been laid to rest.

Neutrino update: Einstein reaches from the grave...

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:56:41pm

It did not take long for the GOP to show its true colors: the sort of nasty ideological infighting that can only take place between camps of ideologically blindered bigots who would rather drag down the entire edifice than concede an inch.

Daniel Ballard Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:02:15pm

re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote

For those interested, the possibly faster than light Neutrinos have likely been laid to rest.

Neutrino update: Einstein reaches from the grave...

I saw an article pointing out that since the carefully measured energy of these electrons was undiminished at the receiving site, there had to be something else going on. Oh, and that lightspeed was exceeded by a tiny fraction of a percent, IF at all.

makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:04:52pm

re: #23 allegro

There is that. I was not intending to give the guy cover - I can't stand the creep. I just meant that religion was never a campaign issue that I'm aware of.

Could be that he's never had an opponent/threat like Romney. Target of opportunity, if you will.

Still - he's gotta tell these 'advisors' to STFU if he wants to get out of the primaries.

(Not that I'd mind seeing him get hammered.)

Ben G. Hazi Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:10:32pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why would Perry? All it would do is piss off his base.

Good point, because the RWNJs are all he really has.

William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:15:06pm

re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote

For those interested, the possibly faster than light Neutrinos have likely been laid to rest.

Neutrino update: Einstein reaches from the grave...

Thankfully that didn't take long.

Beltboy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:40:30pm

If Pastor "God Damn America" wasn't a big deal then why is this??

Obdicut Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:47:26pm

re: #68 Beltboy

It was a big deal. Remember?

And this guy is much more extreme, anyway.

jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:09:41pm

re: #68 Beltboy

If Pastor "God Damn America" wasn't a big deal then why is this??

It was a big deal that was why Obama had to categorically deny everything that his former pastor said... still waiting for Rick Perry to do the same with his extremest pastor...

tshinkle Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:11:19pm

Aren’t we often admonished about not bringing the whole context of a story? Read the 3rd to last paragraph of the NY Times article and you learn that the Pastor endorses Romney for President. And why? Like most people of his ilk, values matter more than race, religion, or sex.

For those who haven’t spent much time in a Baptist church, you should know that his belief that Mormonism is a cult is as big a news story as saying that Jews believe Moses parted the Red Sea, that Joseph Smith discovered gold plates in his yard, that Catholics believe Mary was sinless, and that the Left believes that a big and intrusive government is good.

In the real world, the Baptist, Jewish, Mormon, and Catholic beliefs have absolutely zero effect on my day to day life. I only wish I could say the same about Leftist belief.

Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:17:13pm

And here come the dead thread warriors, getting the all-important last word with their right wing talking points.

Never fails.

Beltboy Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:26:20am

That's because we "right wingers" have jobs and can't surf the net all day and tweet while taking a dump in Zuccotti Park.

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:50:57am

re: #73 Beltboy

That's because we "right wingers" have jobs and can't surf the net all day and tweet while taking a dump in Zuccotti Park.

So nice of you to take time out of your busy right winger schedule to come in here and take a dump on a dead thread.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:54:50am

re: #73 Beltboy

That's because we "right wingers" have jobs and can't surf the net all day and tweet while taking a dump in Zuccotti Park.

If you think the people at this blog are at this low level, why do you even consider coming here to rub shoulders with us?

Beltboy Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:59am

I apologize for my crassness. I just don't like being told that I'm a "dead threader" just because I don't check this website every 15 minutes.

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:37:31am

re: #76 Beltboy

I apologize for my crassness. I just don't like being told that I'm a "dead threader" just because I don't check this website every 15 minutes.

That's not necessarily why one gets called a dead threader. On the rare occasions when you do grace us with your presence, you post snark and dumb stuff, and lately it's not part of a conversation, it's dumped where nobody is hanging out to talk with. Only the inveterate Spy watchers (and the all seeing Eye of Charles) see what you post.

By the way, not only am I a non-right-winger with a job, I am self-employed, so I can check this website every 15 minutes! Until I fire myself....

Thanks for apologizing for your crassness.

Beltboy Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:36:18am

re: #77 wrenchwench

But it isn't "dumb stuff". Obama ended up getting elected anyway even though he sat in the church of "God Damn America" for 20 years. Only the gullible believed his phony speech about him distancing himself! And anybody who called him a liar was called a racist.
A pastor who calls Mormonism a cult shouldn't even be a blip on anybody's radar screen!
Secondly, I posted on the title. Never intending to have a conversation.

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:49:46am

re: #78 Beltboy

But it isn't "dumb stuff". Obama ended up getting elected anyway even though he sat in the church of "God Damn America" for 20 years. Only the gullible believed his phony speech about him distancing himself! And anybody who called him a liar was called a racist.

That's dumb stuff, plus whining.

A pastor who calls Mormonism a cult shouldn't even be a blip on anybody's radar screen!

Plus more crassness.

Secondly, I posted on the title. Never intending to have a conversation.

So you intended it as a dump on a dead thread.

Quit replying.

Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:53:18am

re: #78 Beltboy

But it isn't "dumb stuff". Obama ended up getting elected anyway even though he sat in the church of "God Damn America" for 20 years. Only the gullible believed his phony speech about him distancing himself! And anybody who called him a liar was called a racist.

Here's what Obama said about Rev. Wright:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

When I read this again, I don't see anything "phony" about it. I guess that makes me "gullible."

But I'd rather be "gullible" than be so consumed by hatred that I'd still hang on to an issue that was settled more than 3 years ago.

Beltboy Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:36:23pm

re: #80 Charles

I'm not consumed by hatred. I'm just wondering why you think this is even a story at all.

Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:02:52pm

re: #81 Beltboy

I'm not consumed by hatred. I'm just wondering why you think this is even a story at all.

Thank you for your concern.

tnguitarist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:28:32pm

re: #78 Beltboy

Man, you should copyright that. I think you covered all the bases in that succinct little post. #rightwingtalkingpoints101

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