1 | Altermite Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:00:24pm |
In conclusion, Obama wins yet another GOP primary debate…
5 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:13:43pm |
re: #4 jaunte
I have to get out more.
Are you saying you are going to go to a different blog on the weekends?
6 | prairiefire Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:15:22pm |
re: #4 jaunte
I have to get out more.
LGF is a good spot to hang out. One scenic vacation a year seems to tide me over until the next.
7 | jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:16:10pm |
re: #5 ggt
This kind of video gives me the urge to go wilderness camping.
8 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:17:04pm |
re: #7 jaunte
This kind of video gives me the urge to go wilderness camping.
It makes me think of bugs and allergies.
9 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:18:00pm |
re: #7 jaunte
This kind of video gives me the urge to go wilderness camping.
Remember the bug spray…mosquitos will drive you crazy.
10 | jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:18:57pm |
re: #9 darthstar
Canoeing the boundary waters wilderness north of Ely, Minn; I think they had 7 kinds of flies in the daytime.
11 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:19:33pm |
So the twarted terror plot didn’t come-up in the “debate” tonite, did it? National Security isn’t an agenda for the Primary election?
12 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:19:59pm |
re: #10 jaunte
Canoeing the boundary waters wilderness north of Ely, Minn; I think they had 7 kinds of flies in the daytime.
good for the fish.
13 | b_sharp Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:21:13pm |
re: #10 jaunte
Canoeing the boundary waters wilderness north of Ely, Minn; I think they had 7 kinds of flies in the daytime.
1. micro
2. small
3. medium
4. large
5. extra-large
6. Quetzalcoatl
7. 747
14 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:21:17pm |
re: #11 ggt
So the twarted terror plot didn’t come-up in the “debate” tonite, did it? National Security isn’t an agenda for the Primary election?
This was Bloomberg…they focused on the economy so they wouldn’t have to address President Obama’s recent successes on national security. Control the dialog, and you control the outcome of the debate.
15 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:22:32pm |
16 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:23:29pm |
Saw the Rockies today. Looked really nice. Was on an overpass on 76. Green all the way to foothills. Rockies in the background. Rail yard in the foreground.
17 | Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:23:35pm |
So I missed all the drama. What’s the final verdict on the debate tonight?
18 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:24:06pm |
re: #17 Lidane
So I missed all the drama. What’s the final verdict on the debate tonight?
Romney won.
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19 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:25:04pm |
re: #17 Lidane
So I missed all the drama. What’s the final verdict on the debate tonight?
It was a softball night for Romney to make him look good, but he did almost fuck it up when he got into an argument with the cute moderator (not Charlie Rose) over the premise of her question…she was the best part of the debate…had that sexy porn librarian look to her.
20 | Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:25:47pm |
21 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:26:13pm |
re: #17 Lidane
So I missed all the drama. What’s the final verdict on the debate tonight?
Obama won.
22 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:27:08pm |
My Twitter avatar is photo of the pool at the fountain right in the middle of Mormon Square in SLC.
23 | Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:28:07pm |
[pander] The American people. The American people are the winners tonight. You’re all winners!!! [/pander]
24 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:28:48pm |
Anyone with kids in San Diego, all kids 11 and younger are free at the zoo all this month.
25 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:29:08pm |
re: #21 ggt
Obama won.
Truth be told, it doesn’t matter which of these pathetic people ends up winning the nomination. The American political and media system requires that they be treated as a viable choice for US president and election night will be a nail biter.
26 | OhNoZombies! Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:29:44pm |
Perry is going to try to put the dude who talked him in to running on death row.
//
Poor taste?
27 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:30:09pm |
28 | recusancy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:30:10pm |
re: #19 darthstar
It was a softball night for Romney to make him look good, but he did almost fuck it up when he got into an argument with the cute moderator (not Charlie Rose) over the premise of her question…she was the best part of the debate…had that sexy porn librarian look to her.
Julianna Goldman. Eh, she’s ok.
29 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:31:10pm |
re: #28 recusancy
Julianna Goldman. Eh, she’s ok.
Yes, but she was going for that sultry hungry look tonight and it worked.
31 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:32:15pm |
re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Anyone with kids in San Diego, all kids 11 and younger are free at the zoo all this month.
Got a project located in SD. Not going there. Although I did think about it. Could do an architectural survey. Wouldn’t cost that much really.
32 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:33:09pm |
House GOP members taking the budget vote seriously.
I could pay attention at my job for 179,000 dollars a year.
34 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:37:34pm |
re: #32 darthstar
House GOP members taking the budget vote seriously.
I could pay attention at my job for 179,000 dollars a year.
You know that water treatment machine technicians can make about 125K per year? Senior members. Top out salary. Specifically those with a NYC contract. They got locked in at union scale but aren’t a union company. Likely a NYC law. Pretty nice. It’s not easy work though and you have to deal with large piece of machinery as well as knowing the vast technical aspects. You can’t fuck around with water treatment.
35 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:40:01pm |
36 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:41:44pm |
re: #32 darthstar
House GOP members taking the budget vote seriously.
I could pay attention at my job for 179,000 dollars a year.
I D.C that is about what your rent would be on mid-size 2 bedroom apartment for a year.
37 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:42:10pm |
re: #11 ggt
So the twarted terror plot didn’t come-up in the “debate” tonite, did it? National Security isn’t an agenda for the Primary election?
This one was supposed to have been a debate on economics.
And they can’t talk about Obama’s successes, under any circumstances. It goes against the narrative/mantra that Obama has ‘made everything worse.’
38 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:43:22pm |
re: #35 ggt
arghhh!
I suppose. But that’s Bill Monroe. He’s a bluegrass god. But if you wanted to go down country. You used to do bluegrass. Not country. Then you’d remain cool.
39 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:44:12pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
My Twitter avatar is photo of the pool at the fountain right in the middle of Mormon Square in SLC.
Just for the record, it’s called Temple Square. It does have excellent gardens, though, and is the place to go during Christmas.
40 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:46:11pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
I suppose. But that’s Bill Monroe. He’s a bluegrass god. But if you wanted to go down country. You used to do bluegrass. Not country. Then you’d remain cool.
Just not in the mood tonite.
I think I need some heavier metal.
41 | Stanghazi Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:47:44pm |
re: #19 darthstar
It was a softball night for Romney to make him look good, but he did almost fuck it up when he got into an argument with the cute moderator (not Charlie Rose) over the premise of her question…she was the best part of the debate…had that sexy porn librarian look to her.
wha?
42 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:47:58pm |
re: #39 EmmmieG
Just for the record, it’s called Temple Square. It does have excellent gardens, though, and is the place to go during Christmas.
Right. Right. Thank you.
It’s rather pretty around there. The museum which I swept through seemed pretty nice. I liked looking at the old drafting table of the designer for the first church. Got a parking space right in front too. Cost about a buck for 2 hours. Right at the front door.
Damn they drive fast in SLC though. Whew!
43 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:48:33pm |
re: #40 ggt
Just not in the mood tonite.
I think I need some heavier metal.
OK. Was just listening to Tony Rice’s flat picking.
44 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:48:55pm |
re: #42 Gus 802
Right. Right. Thank you.
It’s rather pretty around there. The museum which I swept through seemed pretty nice. I liked looking at the old drafting table of the designer for the first church. Got a parking space right in front too. Cost about a buck for 2 hours. Right at the front door.
Damn they drive fast in SLC though. Whew!
Yes, but the streets in downtown SLC can’t be beat. Wide and straight.
It was Brigham Young’s idea.
45 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:49:29pm |
46 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:50:11pm |
A lot of things wrong with society today are directly attributable to the fact that the people who make the laws are sexually maladjusted. — from “I Seem To Be a Verb” by R. Buckminster Fuller, 1970.
Why is Frank ALWAYS right?
47 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:51:17pm |
re: #44 EmmmieG
Yes, but the streets in downtown SLC can’t be beat. Wide and straight.
It was Brigham Young’s idea.
I got lost though. I parked right in front of the genealogy library. Anyway drove around for a bit and saw that they have another side of SLC. Reminded me of Denver. Finally found some nice young folks that put me back on the road. So I headed out finally and headed for Rock Springs, Wyoming.
48 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:51:57pm |
49 | Stanghazi Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:52:37pm |
re: #45 darthstar
What good is a debate without a little titildilatison?
Did he really condescend to the questioner?
51 | darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:54:07pm |
re: #40 ggt
Just not in the mood tonite.
I think I need some heavier metal.
Bluegrass is the original speed-metal…only acoustic.
52 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:54:10pm |
re: #47 Gus 802
I got lost though. I parked right in front of the genealogy library. Anyway drove around for a bit and saw that they have another side of SLC. Reminded me of Denver. Finally found some nice young folks that put me back on the road. So I headed out finally and headed for Rock Springs, Wyoming.
There are many sides to SLC. However, if you are ever there again—the streets are numbered starting at Temple Square. 100 W is followed by 200 W, etc.
If you need an address that is 123 W 200 N, you go the 200 N (which is a street) and it’s somewhere between 100 W and 200 W on that street. The addresses for downtown Salt Lake are extremely unpoetic.
54 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:55:49pm |
re: #52 EmmmieG
There are many sides to SLC. However, if you are ever there again—the streets are numbered starting at Temple Square. 100 W is followed by 200 W, etc.
If you need an address that is 123 W 200 N, you go the 200 N (which is a street) and it’s somewhere between 100 W and 200 W on that street. The addresses for downtown Salt Lake are extremely unpoetic.
Cool. There’s a logic to it. Denver has one too. Really easy to get around.
55 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:57:12pm |
re: #54 Gus 802
Cool. There’s a logic to it. Denver has one too. Really easy to get around.
Isn’t it? The rumor is the at least one of the men who laid out Portland was drunk at the time. Give that the town streets meet at an angle, one wonders.
57 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:01:51pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
I suppose. But that’s Bill Monroe. He’s a bluegrass god. But if you wanted to go down country. You used to do bluegrass. Not country. Then you’d remain cool.
Oh yeah, that’s country the way Jesus sang it.
What?
//
I tend to like Flatt & Scruggs better but hey, this really is the good stuff. I love iTunes shuffle. Flint Hill Special followed by BOC. Ahh….
58 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:02:23pm |
re: #55 EmmmieG
Isn’t it? The rumor is the at least one of the men who laid out Portland was drunk at the time. Give that the town streets meet at an angle, one wonders.
Sounds like your typical structural engineer. Nah. It’s just men. Some of the best designs were hatched during cocktail hour. Most engineering firms I worked for though would always have casual Fridays. We would either start drinking around noon. Sometimes we’d get beer for evening shifts. I used to work around a lot of draftsman holding a beer from time to time. Worked for an architect that used to love his vino.
59 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:04:05pm |
re: #51 darthstar
Bluegrass is the original speed-metal…only acoustic.
[Video]
can’t handle the “twangs” tonite.
61 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:05:48pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
Sounds like your typical structural engineer. Nah. It’s just men. Some of the best designs were hatched during cocktail hour. Most engineering firms I worked for though would always have casual Fridays. We would either start drinking around noon. Sometimes we’d get beer for evening shifts. I used to work around a lot of draftsman holding a beer from time to time. Worked for an architect that used to love his vino.
My Dear Ole’ Dad always had scribbles and lines on the back of cocktail napkins.
63 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:07:50pm |
re: #51 darthstar
Bluegrass is the original speed-metal…only acoustic.
[Video]
Here’s another exquisite example of that concept:
Claire Lynch and the Wabash Cannonball.
65 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:11:53pm |
66 | engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:13:32pm |
i love bluegrass, but i’ve also been getting into the “old timey” country records made in the 20s and 30s, before bluegrass was invented…
67 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:14:12pm |
68 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:15:23pm |
re: #66 engineer dog
i love bluegrass, but i’ve also been getting into the “old timey” country records made in the 20s and 30s, before bluegrass was invented…
[Video]
Serious good stuff. Month or two ago, Smithsonian had a great article about going along the old country trail in southern Virginia. Good stuff if you can find it.
70 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:16:46pm |
File this under ‘weird.’
I’m looking around for a 4-channel compressor to add to my band’s PA system, and I find this Behringer compressor that seems to fit the bill. Looking at the description on the site that I do a lot of business with, when I notice this note at the bottom of the page:
NOTE: This item cannot be shipped to Brazil.
WTF? Is multi-channel compression illegal in Brazil or something?
71 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:16:59pm |
I’m really thinking it’s more of a P!NK night.
72 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:17:18pm |
73 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:17:58pm |
re: #70 makeitstop
File this under ‘weird.’
I’m looking around for a 4-channel compressor to add to my band’s PA system, and I find this Behringer compressor that seems to fit the bill. Looking at the description on the site that I do a lot of business with, when I notice this note at the bottom of the page:
NOTE: This item cannot be shipped to Brazil.
WTF? Is multi-channel compression illegal in Brazil or something?
politics?
74 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:19:09pm |
75 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:19:21pm |
I’d rather listen to simpler music that has soul than technically perfect music with no soul. Figure that out.
And sorry but thanks to Baby Boomers most of us are bored with listening to the blues.
76 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:20:23pm |
re: #71 ggt
I’m really thinking it’s more of a P!NK night.
Oh, yeah, she’s good. I feel for her when we were in Vietnam for our adoption. Her song “Mizzunderstood” and No Doubt’s “Hella Good” were in heavy rotation on MTV-Asia. That now 9,5 year old boy jams hard to her music :D
77 | freetoken Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:20:52pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
I’d rather listen to simpler music that has soul than technically perfect music with no soul. Figure that out.
I feel the same way about watching dance.
78 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:21:49pm |
re: #70 makeitstop
File this under ‘weird.’
I’m looking around for a 4-channel compressor to add to my band’s PA system, and I find this Behringer compressor that seems to fit the bill. Looking at the description on the site that I do a lot of business with, when I notice this note at the bottom of the page:
NOTE: This item cannot be shipped to Brazil.
WTF? Is multi-channel compression illegal in Brazil or something?
I’m guessing the seller got burned by a buyer there. I see lots of no sales to Singapore in photo gear, for example.
79 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:22:30pm |
re: #77 freetoken
I feel the same way about watching dance.
I’d rather argue all the time with someone instead of not uttering a word towards each other.
80 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:22:40pm |
re: #77 freetoken
I feel the same way about watching dance.
Classical Dance, I could watch all day.
The ability of the dancer’s amazes me.
I have two good friends who are retired Classical Dancers. In their 50’s and still not one ounce of body fat.
81 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:23:00pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
I’d rather listen to simpler music that has soul than technically perfect music with no soul. Figure that out.
And sorry but thanks to Baby Boomers most of us are bored with listening to the blues.
Hey, I am a boomer and I’m sick of listening to the blues. It’s just been bastardized and twisted into just another wank-fest for guitarists who want nothing more in the world that to be the fastest guitar player east (or west) of the Mississippi.
In the right hands, the blues is beautiful. In the wrong hands it’s every bit as bad as the worst Motley Crue song ever written.
82 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:25:10pm |
re: #78 wlewisiii
I’m guessing the seller got burned by a buyer there. I see lots of no sales to Singapore in photo gear, for example.
That’s a possibility. It definitely threw me or a minute.
83 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:25:39pm |
84 | dell*nix Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:25:53pm |
Ella Mae Morse : House of blue light
85 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:26:18pm |
re: #81 makeitstop
Hey, I am a boomer and I’m sick of listening to the blues. It’s just been bastardized and twisted into just another wank-fest for guitarists who want nothing more in the world that to be the fastest guitar player east (or west) of the Mississippi.
In the right hands, the blues is beautiful. In the wrong hands it’s every bit as bad as the worst Motley Crue song ever written.
Yeah. Hey I can play the blues. Been a while since I’ve played but. Anywho. Too much already with the blues. Overexposed. I like the really old original shit though. Up to the 50s. But please. Bonamassa and Clapton bore me to tears.
88 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:28:49pm |
Little more Garbage. I head the other day there’s a new studio album in the works. As a Madisonian, this cheers me to no end - I was at the first show of the last tour and would love to see them live again.
89 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:30:18pm |
Seriously? Every bone, every muscle is choreographed—and performed to perfection while flying thru the air.
90 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:30:21pm |
Vince Neil
Born Vincent Neil Wharton
February 8, 1961
Hollywood, California
Occupation Musician, songwriter, vocalist, actor
Years active 1981-present
Spouse Beth Lynn (1981-1985) (divorced) 1 child
Sharise Ruddell (1987-1993) (divorced) 1 child
Heidi Mark (2000-2001) (divorced)
Lia Gerardini (2005-pre
93 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:31:34pm |
re: #87 Gus 802
Motley Crew. Nice if you want a fake rock band.
They should have hung it up years ago. They’re a bad parody of themselves, all rich and fat and trying to be badass.
The only Crue album I ever paid money for was the one when Vince Neil wasn’t in the band and a guy named John Corabi was the lead singer. It’s 100 times better than anything with Neil on it, but it wasn’t the ‘real’ Crue and didn’t sell. So they got Neil back in the band and went back to the same crap they always did.
They annoy me.
95 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:32:57pm |
97 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:33:53pm |
re: #94 ggt
Anything but Journey.
I’d rather listen to rockabilly. Plus hanging out with a bunch of LA gold digger rockers doesn’t sound like fun. Smells like rancid popcorn, urinal cake, and spilled beer.
98 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:10pm |
re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Really?
[Video]
Lester Bangs wrote the best review of that song - he said he thought they were singing ‘we bilked this city.’ :)
99 | freetoken Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:22pm |
Continuing with last month’s survey of the music of Cesária Évora:
100 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:54pm |
re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Really?
[Video]
You do realize that you just put your life in danger right?
//
101 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:35:35pm |
re: #90 Gus 802
Vince Neil
Born Vincent Neil Wharton
February 8, 1961
Hollywood, California
Occupation Musician, songwriter, vocalist, actor
Years active 1981-present
Spouse Beth Lynn (1981-1985) (divorced) 1 child
Sharise Ruddell (1987-1993) (divorced) 1 child
Heidi Mark (2000-2001) (divorced)
Lia Gerardini (2005-pre
Looks like Newt too only with long hair.
102 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:36:17pm |
103 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:36:58pm |
This keeps playing in my head.
I don’t know why.
104 | engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:12pm |
105 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:22pm |
106 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:39pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
LA rock died when Jim Morrison died.
Nope. X. Exene Cervenka, John Doe, Billy Zoom, and DJ Bonebrake. Much as I still love the Doors, these folks were the real deal. Far better.
107 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:37:56pm |
108 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:38:27pm |
re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
[Video]
Next you’ll try to convince me that Slash is a great guitarist and then tell me that Yngwie Malmsteen is the best guitarist that ever lived.
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109 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:38:32pm |
re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Really?
[Video]
Shudder. That was the single worst hit song in history.
110 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:38:59pm |
re: #106 wlewisiii
Nope. X. Exene Cervenka, John Doe, Billy Zoom, and DJ Bonebrake. Much as I still love the Doors, these folks were the real deal. Far better.
[Video]
I saw a show at the Ritz in NY years ago - X, Blasters and Los Lobos. That’s my LA dream lineup, right there.
111 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:39:49pm |
re: #108 Gus 802
Next you’ll try to convince me that Slash is a great guitarist and then tell me that Yngwie Malmsteen is the best guitarist that ever lived.
//
No, but I do like this.
112 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:40:16pm |
re: #110 makeitstop
I saw a show at the Ritz in NY years ago - X, Blasters and Los Lobos. That’s my LA dream lineup, right there.
O.
M.
G.
Seriously. I’d do many things I’d be ashamed of the next day for tickets to that one.
113 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:40:22pm |
re: #106 wlewisiii
Nope. X. Exene Cervenka, John Doe, Billy Zoom, and DJ Bonebrake. Much as I still love the Doors, these folks were the real deal. Far better.
[Video]
Oh I just think it’s funny the way rock people try to tell us how their favorite band is the greatest band and has the best musicians ever. It’s really rather stupid and really boring. I know great music. Most of it isn’t rock.
114 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:41:55pm |
re: #113 Gus 802
Oh I just think it’s funny the way rock people try to tell us how their favorite band is the greatest band and has the best musicians ever. It’s really rather stupid and really boring. I know great music. Most of it isn’t rock.
So, what is good Rock?
115 | Amory Blaine Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:41:55pm |
116 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:42:06pm |
It’s not music. It’s sports. It’s jock rock. And the fans are like sports fans only with more booze and drugs in their bloodstream.
117 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:42:17pm |
re: #112 wlewisiii
O.
M.
G.Seriously. I’d do many things I’d be ashamed of the next day for tickets to that one.
I got really, really lucky on that one. It was literally the hottest ticket in New York.
I saw the Blasters and Los Lobos a few times each. It was the only time I’ve ever seen X, because they didn’t come east very often.
118 | dell*nix Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:42:29pm |
re: #104 engineer dog
Ah yes, Cab Calloway. Lots of interesting music.
119 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43:37pm |
re: #114 ggt
So, what is good Rock?
The kind of rock you haven’t heard in many years. Something fresh. Something that hasn’t been overexposed and played over and over again on 50 something rock radio.
For instance. Did you know that Pink Floyd sucks? They really do.
120 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43:49pm |
re: #113 Gus 802
Oh I just think it’s funny the way rock people try to tell us how their favorite band is the greatest band and has the best musicians ever. It’s really rather stupid and really boring. I know great music. Most of it isn’t rock.
I’ll be happy to agree with the last two sentences.
121 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:44:24pm |
122 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:45:07pm |
re: #120 wlewisiii
I’ll be happy to agree with the last two sentences.
There once was a time…
When rock was a modern music genre. It no longer is.
123 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:45:08pm |
re: #113 Gus 802
Oh I just think it’s funny the way rock people try to tell us how their favorite band is the greatest band and has the best musicians ever. It’s really rather stupid and really boring. I know great music. Most of it isn’t rock.
I don’t get excited about rock musicians any more. I’m old and jaded, and play better than a lot of them. :)
126 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:46:28pm |
re: #117 makeitstop
I got really, really lucky on that one. It was literally the hottest ticket in New York.
I saw the Blasters and Los Lobos a few times each. It was the only time I’ve ever seen X, because they didn’t come east very often.
Really? They hit the midwest fairly often. I’ve gotten lucky twice with X and cought John Doe solo once. That was possibly the best show. Tiny Venue, insanely great unknown backing band, and just enough of the old hits to keep the freaks happy.
127 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:46:54pm |
re: #123 makeitstop
I don’t get excited about rock musicians any more. I’m old and jaded, and play better than a lot of them. :)
Same here. I listen to most rock guitarists. Even famous ones. A lot of them suck. I also play.
128 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:47:08pm |
129 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:47:39pm |
I like Gaga’s one —You and I.
If you just listen and don’t watch the video.
131 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:48:42pm |
re: #123 makeitstop
I don’t get excited about rock musicians any more. I’m old and jaded, and play better than a lot of them. :)
The thing is that unless you have a lot of old vinyl and time to listen, all you get to hear is the standard Beatles, Rolling Stone hits.
132 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:49:12pm |
re: #125 Amory Blaine
How far we’ve fallen
[Video]
Proof that you can be a musical amputee and still have a music career based solely on hype.
133 | dell*nix Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:49:48pm |
A lot of drug related music on youtube. Strange how things go in cycles.
Memphis Jug Band : Cocaine Habit Blues
134 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:50:44pm |
The debate put me in a pissy mood.
I’m going to end the night.
Have a great one all!
135 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:51:57pm |
re: #127 Gus 802
Same here. I listen to most rock guitarists. Even famous ones. A lot of them suck. I also play.
There’s just no mystery to what most rock guitarists do. I made a living for a lot of years playing bars, and I had to know how to sound like those guys.
It took a lot of the shine off of a lot of rock stars.
136 | Kragar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:52:36pm |
137 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:54:32pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And then on the other hand…
[Video]
We have a wireless internet radio here, and I listen to radio stations from all over the planet. One thing I’ve learned is the Foo Fighters get airplay everywhere.
139 | Gus Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:56:18pm |
re: #125 Amory Blaine
How far we’ve fallen
[Video]
Trash. That’s the kind of crap they have on the Today Show.
140 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:56:53pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And then on the other hand…
[Video]
Good stuff. On the gripping hand, Glenn Campbell covering a Foo Fighter song that references Husker Du.
142 | Varek Raith Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:01:01pm |
146 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 12:17:53am |
Heh. Caught during the debate Romney whined about assets being downgraded by inspectors resulting in fewer loans being handed out.
Doesn’t sound very conservative to me to have government set asset prices in order to facilitate loans for political gains.
147 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 12:53:52am |
Also noticed during the debate the camera always seemed to capture Perry with a dark background.
148 | freetoken Wed, Oct 12, 2011 12:56:17am |
re: #146 000G
Romney said lots of silly things - that’s his new gimmick as he tries to convince the Tea Partiers that he’s as a solid “conservative”.
149 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 12:57:04am |
Also: $5 that Romney will select Cain to be on the ticket as VP.
150 | freetoken Wed, Oct 12, 2011 12:59:59am |
re: #149 000G
Both Romney and Huntsman are playing nice with Cain. Are they trying to overcompensate for the long history of Mormons being seen as racists? (Look up the history of Mormonism…)
151 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:07:05am |
re: #150 freetoken
Both Romney and Huntsman are playing nice with Cain. Are they trying to overcompensate for the long history of Mormons being seen as racists?
Maybe. Or maybe they know that when being a member of a minority, it often helps to team up with members of other minorities.
Although it’s more likely they want to placate the Tea Party candidate most likely rising to the top (same reason why Bachmann also still gets courted IMHO, e.g. with that softball question from Romney, but Perry still get beaten down, too much of an actual rival figure).
(Look up the history of Mormonism…)
Oh, I know about it. Funny that one of the central themes was the “mark of cain”.
But I also think that a general sense of history provides also with an idea of shit like this when it comes to government persecution of minorities in America.
152 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:10:26am |
re: #150 freetoken
Both Romney and Huntsman are playing nice with Cain. Are they trying to overcompensate for the long history of Mormons being seen as racists? (Look up the history of Mormonism…)
yep… the Mormons had, by today’s standards, some ridiculous stuff about non whites. But then, so did the US Constitution. Not trying to exonerate either outdated words, just being contentious in a good way.. :)
153 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:14:19am |
re: #148 freetoken
Romney said lots of silly things - that’s his new gimmick as he tries to convince the Tea Partiers that he’s as a solid “conservative”.
hmmm.. I would be surprised if that works.. I remember my days as a evangelical Christian, and Mormons where not looked upon fondly. Granted, it has been a bunch of years so things could have changed…. but untill I see it… not buying it
154 | BongCrodny Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:29:16am |
re: #97 Gus 802
I’d rather listen to rockabilly. Plus hanging out with a bunch of LA gold digger rockers doesn’t sound like fun. Smells like rancid popcorn, urinal cake, and spilled beer.
Don’t know whether you’ve ever heard of these guys, Gus, but The Blasters were my favorite band of the 80’s.
I guess even back then I was old at heart.
156 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:40:00am |
Rising - an antivirus product from The People’s Republic of China - does not block the “R2D2” Governmental trojan. Funny that. #0zapftis
[Link: twitter.com…]
157 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:51:23am |
159 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 1:59:08am |
re: #158 Varek Raith
Why does the GOP hate NNSA?
Because the letter S stands for Science…. just saying.. :)
160 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:00:00am |
I used to live in Sedona, Arizona in 1981, ranch-sitting on a six-acre spread on Oak Creek just below the Cathedral Rocks. That was before the town was overrun by the New Age folks, although they were already present, they had not discovered the marketing concept.
And at the time I was learning to play the banjo and we all loved Hippie Bluegrass, The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did a lot to promote that, getting a lot of old country/and bluegrass folks to play on “Will the Circle Be Unbroken” (although Bill Monroe refused to be part of the project)
162 | researchok Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:10:10am |
re: #160 ralphieboy
I used to live in Sedona, Arizona in 1981, ranch-sitting on a six-acre spread on Oak Creek just below the Cathedral Rocks. That was before the town was overrun by the New Age folks, although they were already present, they had not discovered the marketing concept.
And at the time I was learning to play the banjo and we all loved Hippie Bluegrass, The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did a lot to promote that, getting a lot of old country/and bluegrass folks to play on “Will the Circle Be Unbroken” (although Bill Monroe refused to be part of the project)
Did the vortex get you?
//
163 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:14:06am |
re: #162 researchok
Did the vortex get you?
//
I left before the draw became irresistible, which was around the mid-80’s. Why is is that vortices center around places that have a perfect climate, astounding scenery and a high concentration of rich, retired milionaires, and not somewhere around a mud flat in Nebraska?
Last I heard, the ranch was parcelled up and has luxury homes built on it.
Although my cabin had elect4ricity (but no flowing water except in the creek) I used to turn off all the lamps, light a few candles and play banjo by them, it made it feel and sound more authentic.
164 | researchok Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:17:55am |
All I know I the ex spent a small fortune at the outlet mall.
That’s some vortex out there.
165 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:18:27am |
re: #163 ralphieboy
I left before the draw became irresistible, which was around the mid-80’s. Why is is that vortices center around places that have a perfect climate, astounding scenery and a high concentration of rich, retired milionaires, and not somewhere around a mud flat in Nebraska?
Last I heard, the ranch was parcelled up and has luxury homes built on it.
I thought the Age of Aquarius started long before you left… :) You have been altered by the nexus.
//
166 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:21:29am |
At first the area sucked in millionaires, who bought houses in the valley with the breathtaking views and ideal climate, and the weight of all that concentrated money created a vortex to attract a lot of New-Age healers and crystal/talisman dealers who settled there in the mid-80’s.
I had already moved on by that point.
But I did experience a miracle in that praying to my Virgen de Guadalupe votive candle healed my broken air-conditioning unit.
But that is another story…
167 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:30:52am |
re: #150 freetoken
Both Romney and Huntsman are playing nice with Cain. Are they trying to overcompensate for the long history of Mormons being seen as racists? (Look up the history of Mormonism…)
I think the entire Republican party is using Cain as their racial steam valve for their anti-Black reputation right now, let alone the time when Mormonism was coming up with idiotic “mark of Cain” bullshit.
It’s not new or unique to Mormonism, though, and predates that sect by generations and generations. It’s one reason starting in the late 1700s we went and formed our own denominations and left the white bigot Christians in the dust.
168 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:36:26am |
re: #167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And I really don’t see the GOP coming out in force for Cain in a general election. I admit that is a cynical opinion, but it is what it is.
169 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:39:41am |
re: #168 boxhead
And I really don’t see the GOP coming out in force for Cain in a general election. I admit that is a cynical opinion, but it is what it is.
Ditto for Romney. One is the wrong color, the other the wrong religion.
They have already made it clear tha they are for ideological purity over all else and are prepred to go to great lengths of idiocy to prove it.
170 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:49:24am |
re: #158 Varek Raith
Why does the GOP hate NNSA?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
The GOP wanted to cut this.
Oy.
171 | boxhead Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:49:59am |
re: #169 ralphieboy
Ditto for Romney. One is the wrong color, the other the wrong religion.
They have already made it clear tha they are for ideological purity over all else and are prepred to go to great lengths of idiocy to prove it.
I loath to say that I hope for what you wrote to occur. I would so much rather have an intelligent debate with people who love USA. But I will take any victory that does not include an anti science candidate. and that is not leaving us much..
172 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:55:07am |
Ideological purity seems to mean rejecting anything outside a fundamentalist interpretation of Christian scripture.
It means rejecting Evolution while embracing Social Darwinism.
It means chapioning “individualism” in the sense of leaving individuals to negotiate with large corporations for employment and insurance contracts…
173 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:55:22am |
re: #168 boxhead
And I really don’t see the GOP coming out in force for Cain in a general election. I admit that is a cynical opinion, but it is what it is.
re: #169 ralphieboy
Ditto for Romney. One is the wrong color, the other the wrong religion.
They have already made it clear tha they are for ideological purity over all else and are prepred to go to great lengths of idiocy to prove it.
I just don’t see how the GOP/RNC thinks they’re going to make Obama a one-term president by appealing to 23% of their own electorate. How is that going to win them anything except a loss?
As for Cain and Romney, Cain is only good as a race object for white conservatives, and a stick to beat African-American Obama supporters — at least that’s how he is letting himself be utilized. Romney is really the only person who can give Obama a run for his money but they may have to try Perry + somebody halfway normal as VP. It’s a problem their own bigotries created.
174 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 2:58:05am |
re: #172 ralphieboy
Ideological purity seems to mean rejecting anything outside a fundamentalist interpretation of Christian scripture.
It means rejecting Evolution while embracing Social Darwinism.
It means chapioning “individualism” in the sense of leaving individuals to negotiate with large corporations for employment and insurance contracts…
And to bring it full circle, it’s the same people who demand group rights/special rights for Christian bigots.
They are so transparent.
176 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:10:16am |
And they cannot even find and stick to a successful strategy: that was evident in Micelle Bachmann’s attacks on Perry over mandatory vaccinations. Instead of simply sticking to the corporate cronyism angle, which had some traction, she let herself wander off into autism and government vilation of our young people and encouraging promiscuity, etc…
These people cannot get away from that sort of thinking even when their political careers might depend on doing so, even if only until the primaries are over…
177 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:28:30am |
Got a new voter reg card.
Of course, it no longer fits in my wallet like the old one.
Of course.
178 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:28:46am |
Cain will rule supreme by using the Hand of Nod!
scnr
179 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:29:35am |
re: #172 ralphieboy
Ideological purity seems to mean rejecting anything outside a fundamentalist interpretation of Christian scripture.
It means rejecting Evolution while embracing Social Darwinism.
It means chapioning “individualism” in the sense of leaving individuals to negotiate with large corporations for employment and insurance contracts…
This is what I can’t stand about the glibertarians and the GOP. If individualism and the rights of the individual are king, then they should really hate corporations.
181 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:31:03am |
re: #179 Obdicut
This is what I can’t stand about the glibertarians and the GOP. If individualism and the rights of the individual are king, then they should really hate corporations.
Collectivism is fine for them when it is about corporations making money. It is not okay when it comes to unions engaging in collective bargaining, though.
182 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:32:09am |
183 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:37:14am |
re: #149 000G
Also: $5 that Romney will select Cain to be on the ticket as VP.
That would make a lot of sense. It would wrap up 2 blocks they need.
184 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:38:26am |
re: #179 Obdicut
This is what I can’t stand about the glibertarians and the GOP. If individualism and the rights of the individual are king, then they should really hate corporations.
But corporations are people, are mere aggregates of individual people…
… wealthy people …
… who are the only people worth defending…
… because they promise to create jobs for all the other people!
And Soshalists have enough fridgerators and A/Cs and trustfunds anyhow!
185 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:43:38am |
re: #182 Varek Raith
Russians claim ‘indisputable proof’ of Yeti
Lol.
Not quite, turns out it is the “Generic GOP Candidate” who can beat Obama…
186 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:45:08am |
re: #149 000G
Also: $5 that Romney will select Cain to be on the ticket as VP.
I misoverestimated Perry, and I am glad to see that was the case now, I think this scenario is growing more likely. I would even bet on it, but as a matter of principle, I do not place bets on other people’s misfortunes…
187 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:46:47am |
Bill O’Reilly vs. Richard Dawkins on ‘The Magic of Reality’
lol, against O’Reilly even arrogant know-it-all Dawkins sounds like a nice and reasonable man. Wish he had shoved Hitler as having been a Christian down O’Reilly’s throat, though. That usually shuts the RWNJs up about “All unbelievers are political monsters” or forces them to double down on the stupid canard.
188 | RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:50:12am |
Followup on the story from last week regarding Topeka Kansas city council repealing the law against domestic violence.
They went through with it.
Kansas’ capital city repeals domestic violence law
Topeka’s city council and mayor approved the repeal late Tuesday, saying such cases are better handled by county or state courts.
The vote comes less than a month after the prosecutor in Shawnee County decided to stop pursuing domestic battery cases and other misdemeanors, citing deep cuts to his budget.
Topeka, the largest city in the county, responded by proposing to repeal its domestic violence ordinance so it wouldn’t be forced to pick up the bill for those cases.
So, as of now, neither the county of Shawnee, KS, nor its largest city, Topeka are prosecuting any domestic violence cases.
189 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:52:58am |
re: #188 RadicalModerate
So, as of now, neither the county of Shawnee, KS, nor its largest city, Topeka are prosecuting any domestic violence cases.
Limited government at work.
190 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:53:42am |
re: #188 RadicalModerate
That’s the government just giving up. Why would any battered woman call the police on her husband now? Arresting an abuser generally makes them more violent.
So people who get battered should do what, exactly?
191 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:56:12am |
re: #190 Obdicut
That’s the government just giving up. Why would any battered woman call the police on her husband now? Arresting an abuser generally makes them more violent.
So people who get battered should do what, exactly?
Suck it up, apparently. Kansas NOW is calling for more emails and phone calls to Topeka officials. I just did a page on it.
192 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:56:23am |
Is Topeka still prosecuting victim-less crimes like marijuana possession, while they ignore the domestic battery?
What about a woman who murders her husband and then says she did it in self-defense, knowing that the state wouldn’t protect her from battery?
So many ways this is dumb.
193 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:58:22am |
re: #192 Obdicut
They could take a leaf from Georgia’s plan to use prison inmates as firefighters and start using prison inmates as domestic violence counsellors…
194 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:59:01am |
re: #193 ralphieboy
Just jump right to using inmates as police.
195 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:08:20am |
A friend of mine had her jaw broken by her (now ex) husband after she had him arrested for battery and he was let out on his own recognizance. Being arrested made him really mad, so he did what he always did, and took it out on her.
This is not something that’s unknown. Cops know about this. That’s why even good cops often get into trouble for threatening abusers to kick their ass if they touch their partners again. It’s also why a lot of women don’t want to press charges in the first place; they know it’ll make the abusers angry, and that the system won’t do enough to stop them.
Topeka just upped the ante on that. If a woman is getting beaten, deciding to call the cops now that they know there’s not even a chance of the guy staying in jail would be a foolish mistake. Better to just take it, and hope he doesn’t go too far this time. Or stick a knife in his eye.
What I love is the naive dunderheads who ask “Why don’t they just leave him?”
196 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:09:33am |
Another article with a better grasp of the background:
To save money, Topeka repeals law against misdemeanor domestic battery
[Link: www.kansascity.com…]
It started when Shawnee County District Attorney Chad Taylor announced that a 10 percent budget cut would force him to end his office’s prosecution of misdemeanor cases, almost half of which last year were domestic battery cases.
With that, Taylor stopped prosecuting the cases and left them to the city. But city officials balked at the cost.
…..
Shawnee County prosecutors have handled both misdemeanor and felony domestic violence cases since 2000. City officials say they don’t have the prosecutors, courts, staff, programs or even a jail to suddenly take on the work.Councilwoman Karen Hiller said earlier Tuesday that it would cost the city $800,000 a year to hire the staff and rent jail space for the new caseload, but only about $200,000 for the county to increase Taylor’s budget enough to resume prosecutions, Hiller said.
This sounds like it’s a fight between the county and the city over who has to pick up the tab for all misdemeanor crimes, half of which are misdemeanor domestic violence issues. The county has been doing it since 2000 and now they want the city to handle them. I tried to find out what constitutes “misdemeanor” domestic violence but the first 3 pages on google only relate to this story.
197 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:09:54am |
re: #187 000G
Bill O’Reilly vs. Richard Dawkins on ‘The Magic of Reality’
[Video]lol, against O’Reilly even arrogant know-it-all Dawkins sounds like a nice and reasonable man. Wish he had shoved Hitler as having been a Christian down O’Reilly’s throat, though. That usually shuts the RWNJs up or forces them to double down on the stupid.
Can I get a graphic like that???
VAREK RAITH
ATHEIST
Lol.
198 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:10:52am |
Men do get battered too, often signficantly. There’s a big cultural reticence to talking about it or doing anything about it. This will, of course, make that even worse, so any abusive women will be happy about this too.
200 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:12:01am |
Here we go:
[Link: www.kansas-criminal-defense-law.com…]
“Assault is classified by severity, in Kansas the criminal statutes provide for simple assault and aggravated assault.”
201 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:12:17am |
re: #196 RogueOne
Yep. It’s a slap-fight over who has to bear the costs, with the losers being the people who get abused.
202 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:16:47am |
re: #195 Obdicut
One of my former BiL made the mistake of putting his hands on my sister. He only did it once. Getting arrested only makes bullies mad, the thought of having their corpse found in the weeds puts their predicament in an entirely different light.
203 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:18:04am |
More background:
Taylor spoke Friday with The Capital-Journal about how his office would be affected if its 2012 budget — when it is finalized this week by commissioners Vic Miller, Shelly Buhler and Ted Ensley — continues to contain a tentative 10 percent cut from its 2011 budget.
Commissioners voted Thursday to reduce 12 separate county budget line items by 10 percent or more, including cutting the district attorney’s budget for 2012 by 10 percent, or $347,765, from its 2011 amount of $3,477,651.
Commissioners entered Thursday’s meeting needing to cut slightly more than $10 million from the 2012 county budget to avoid raising the county’s property tax mill levy and to end 2012 with the recommended cash carryover of $4.4 million. Commissioners made $4.8 million in tentative cuts Thursday.
Taylor also questioned the priorities commissioners have chosen with the budgets they’ve approved in recent years.
He indicated figures from the county’s website show funding for the county parks and recreation department rose by 78.8 percent from 2004 to 2011, compared to a 34.6 percent increase over that period for the district’s attorney’s office.
Why is it that the lower-taxes-cut-spending automatons always manage to cut spending in the most critical areas?
So really, it’s not Topeka the city that’s to blame as much as those county commissioners.
204 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:19:36am |
re: #202 RogueOne
Well, a friend of mine tried to stop his sister getting abused and wound up getting the living shit beaten out of him as well.
A lot of bullies aren’t cowards in the least. They’re just psychotic assholes. And a lot of them are much better than ordinary people at violence.
Vigilantism is no answer.
205 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:20:02am |
re: #203 Obdicut
He indicated figures from the county’s website show funding for the county parks and recreation department rose by 78.8 percent from 2004 to 2011, compared to a 34.6 percent increase over that period for the district’s attorney’s office.
They’ve chosen more parks instead of more prosecutions. In order to make that work their going to have to decide which misdemeanors are worthy of prosecuting. That means someone is going to be accused of being soft on crime and no politician wants that.
206 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:21:22am |
The Arizona example:
Law and Order + Low Taxes = Sheriff Joe Arpaio
207 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:21:50am |
re: #206 ralphieboy
He wastes millions in the lawsuits against his department.
208 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:35:52am |
Invisible Hands Shuts Off Libertarian Magazine’s Elevator
Here’s a present for Rogue One. :)
209 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:37:44am |
re: #207 Obdicut
He wastes millions in the lawsuits against his department.
Those lawsuits are all being brought by criminals out to undermine his authority, he is just doing his job.
210 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:46:08am |
re: #209 ralphieboy
Those lawsuits are all being brought by criminals out to undermine his authority, he is just doing his job.
[Video]
I recognize the sarcasm but there are a few lawsuits from his fellow county republicans (including judges) that got caught up in disputes with the sheriffs office. If you speak out against Sheriff Joe you’re looking at problems regardless of your status.
211 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:46:17am |
Raining as hard this morning as it was last night. They said a half an inch. I’m not sure I’m believing them.
Weatherpeople lie.
212 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:47:04am |
re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Raining as hard this morning as it was last night. They said a half an inch. I’m not sure I’m believing them.
Weatherpeople lie.
Big Weather shills, sellin’ us out!
213 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:51:50am |
re: #210 RogueOne
I recognize the sarcasm but there are a few lawsuits from his fellow county republicans (including judges) that got caught up in disputes with the sheriffs office. If you speak out against Sheriff Joe you’re looking at problems regardless of your status.
Recalls the old Soviet era joke about the fellow who got eleven years’ prison for calling Chairman Brezhnev an idiot: One year for insulting Soviet authority and ten years for revealing a state secret!
214 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:52:57am |
Cashing in on a sex scandal? I’m shocked, SHOCKED!
Weiner ‘Sextee’ Writes Tell-All Book
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com…]
Just as the Anthony Weiner scandal was quieting down, one of the former congressman’s “sextees” has written a tell-all account of their exchanges. The Daily Mail is publishing exclusive excerpts from Traci Nobles’ I Freinded You, which quotes many of the messages Weiner exchanged over a nine-month period with the 35-year-old former cheerleading coach. In several salacious texts, Weiner reportedly complained of his in-laws’ “backwards thinking,” saying his wife’s parents never fully accepted him because of his Jewish background. “They just believe I should be Muslim or convert… it makes for a lot of uncomfortable meetings,” he wrote.
215 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:55:23am |
Well, this is gross. But you won’t get the full story if you stop at the headline.
[Link: www.abcactionnews.com…]
216 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:56:12am |
re: #208 iceweasel
Invisible Hands Shuts Off Libertarian Magazine’s Elevator
Here’s a present for Rogue One. :)
Which reminds me, I thought about you the other day when I read this. Did you see it?
Scientists’ Analysis Disputes F.B.I. Closing of Anthrax Case
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
217 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:57:14am |
re: #216 RogueOne
Which reminds me, I thought about you the other day when I read this. Did you see it?
Scientists’ Analysis Disputes F.B.I. Closing of Anthrax Case
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
I did see it and thought of you!
I really wonder if we’re ever going to get an answer about that.
218 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:57:52am |
re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, this is gross. But you won’t get the full story if you stop at the headline.
[Link: www.abcactionnews.com…]
MMMmm, special sauce!
Another stop sale was issued on March 7 on 10 gallons of red sauce and 11 gallons of chowder soup due to temperature violations along with one gallon of seafood stock because it was stored in a reused detergent container.
219 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:58:26am |
re: #217 iceweasel
I did see it and thought of you!
I really wonder if we’re ever going to get an answer about that.
Doesn’t look like it. If it wasn’t him there’s still some nut running around that knows how to make anthrax, that should worry people.
220 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:00:44am |
re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, this is gross. But you won’t get the full story if you stop at the headline.
[Link: www.abcactionnews.com…]
Yikes.
Gulf Drive has had bug issues as well. During their May visit, inspectors discovered 16 live and dead roaches near the prep table, walk in cooler, grill and cookline. The restaurant had roach problems on November 8, 2010 too along with rodent activity, as evidence by approximately 30 dry rodent droppings and a chewed bag of grits.
221 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:04:24am |
a little anthrax powder would clear that right up…
222 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:10:09am |
One of the reasons I stopped doing restaurant repair work was because it was ruining all my favorite places. My favorite Chinese place asked for a quote to install new stainless inside their walk-in fridge. It was so old the stainless was gone and the only thing left was a wooden floor. When I walked in the wood was so soaked in blood it pooled up around my boots as I stepped around. I never ate there again. Another time I was in a very expensive restaurant right on the circle in Indy. There was a plate cover on the ground under a stainless table I was fixing. When I picked it up to move it there were so many roaches under it they were standing on top of each other.
224 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:13:50am |
Anybody here an SQL expert? If not then I will go downstairs to talk to our Oracle guy.
225 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:18:56am |
re: #222 RogueOne
What’s funny is in Florida is people see a bug man in the place they think you have bugs. If you don’t have a bug man, you will.
226 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:20:21am |
Oh, the place mentioned in the story also hires illegals, pays them less than minimum wage and half their payroll is done with cash.
227 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:20:25am |
No takers? OK then I’ll go downstairs.
228 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:22:44am |
re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar
What’s funny is in Florida is people see a bug man in the place they think you have bugs. If you don’t have a bug man, you will.
I don’t like chain restaurants (bit of a food snob) but I did notice they had the cleanest kitchens. Corporate accounts take care of things like paying the bug man and the filter guy that a local owner may neglect. After being disgusted so many times I refused work in local restaurants that I liked. I figured I was better off not knowing what their kitchen looked like if I wanted to continue eating there.
229 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:26:10am |
re: #228 RogueOne
The next time you’re eating out and something taste extra good, it’s just the added sweat that fell into the food off of the cooks nose.
/half
230 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:27:52am |
Morning Lizardim. The weather is cooling off, which makes this lizard a very happy lizard.
re: #227 Alouette
No takers? OK then I’ll go downstairs.
Sorry, Alouette, I only just walked into the thread. What’s the question?
231 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:28:31am |
Good morning lizards.
What the latest on the Iranian terror plot?
232 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:31:34am |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
The next time you’re eating out and something taste extra good, it’s just the added sweat that fell into the food off of the cooks nose.
/half
That is just nasty. The worst job I ever saw was the chicken delivery guy. As he would deliver, the 1/2 frozen raw chicken juice would leak out of the containers all over his clothes. Whatever he was getting paid can’t be worth driving a couple hundred miles every day in clothes soaked in chicken juice.
233 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:32:26am |
re: #231 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
What the latest on the Iranian terror plot?
There are already calls to declare war on Iran. And deriding Obama for having “emboldened” Iran to such steps because of his weak and concilliatory foreign policy…
234 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:34:18am |
re: #233 ralphieboy
There are already calls to declare war on Iran. And deriding Obama for having “emboldened” Iran to such steps because of his weak and concilliatory foreign policy…
Have the Iranians blamed Da Joos yet?
235 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:35:58am |
re: #233 ralphieboy
There are already calls to declare war on Iran. And deriding Obama for having “emboldened” Iran to such steps because of his weak and concilliatory foreign policy…
If (and it’s still a big “if” in my book) the plot was actually tied to the Iranian government it’s not entirely his fault for the lack of fear of a U.S. response. The Bush administration never made them pay a price for smuggling IED’s into Iraq either. If you aren’t going to punish them for killing american soldiers why would they think you’re going to get into a huff for killing a saudi diplomat?
236 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:36:19am |
re: #232 RogueOne
I was doing inventory one time and someone put tuna steaks on the top shelf (supposed to be on the bottom) and didn’t ice it down properly (ice in bags, not on the fish directly). I grabbed the container and got a nice shower (ice had melted a bit).
237 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:37:43am |
re: #231 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
What the latest on the Iranian terror plot?
What do Breitbart, Blaze, and the rest of the rwnj sites say?
238 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:41:32am |
re: #237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What do Breitbart, Blaze, and the rest of the rwnj sites say?
That it’s a conspiracy by Holder to divert attention from Fast & Furious.
No, seriously.
239 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:41:47am |
re: #237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What do Breitbart, Blaze, and the rest of the rwnj sites say?
Biden was on the morning shows:
Breaking: Biden: “Critically important we unite the world to isolate Iran”
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]
Biden also said that U.S. action against Iran could go beyond sanctions, but added that “we’re not going there yet.”
240 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:42:21am |
re: #237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What do Breitbart, Blaze, and the rest of the rwnj sites say?
The Blaze has an ABC link, news conference video from Fox (which doesn’t matter, it’s a news conference) and a CNN link. But the comments are as expected.
241 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:44:25am |
re: #238 000G
That it’s a conspiracy by Holder to divert attention from Fast & Furious.
No, seriously.
A link on Drudge questions the timing and says President Obama was briefed in June. Didn’t click the link.
242 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:45:20am |
re: #237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What do Breitbart, Blaze, and the rest of the rwnj sites say?
Don’t know. I don’t visit those sites.
243 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:47:53am |
re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar
A link on Drudge questions the timing and says President Obama was briefed in June. Didn’t click the link.
Actually was a Reuters link.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
244 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:48:02am |
re: #238 000G
That it’s a conspiracy by
HolderEric X Shabazz and the OWS Civilian Army of New Black Panther Hippie Marxists to divert attention from Fast & Furious.No, seriously.
fxd.
245 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:49:48am |
re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar
A link on Drudge questions the timing and says President Obama was briefed in June. Didn’t click the link.
INSIDE JOBBY JOB!
246 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:51:32am |
re: #245 thedopefishlives
INSIDE JOBBY JOB!
The President was told that it was possible that Iranian agents were plotting something in June!
And he didn’t immediately order the nuclear annihilation of the entire Middle East!
WEAK! CONCILIATORY!
247 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:54:25am |
Here is a Reuters link from a half hour ago.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
248 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:54:50am |
re: #234 NJDhockeyfan
Have the Iranians blamed Da Joos yet?
Well yes, yes they did.
Iran rejects charge in plot to kill Saudi envoy
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran on Tuesday rejected U.S. claims that Iran was involved in a plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to Washington.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast called the claims a “prefabricated scenario” and a “ridiculous show.”
“These old-fashioned behaviors are based on the long-standing hostile American-Zionist policies and are ridiculous show in line with scenarios to provoke division,” the semiofficial Fars news agency quoted Mehmanparast as saying Tuesday.
…”Designers of such prefabricated scenarios seek to create divisions and help the Zionist regime get of isolation,” Mehmanparast was quoted as saying.
Expected whining from Iran after getting their hand caught in the cookie jar.
249 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:56:31am |
re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar
Here is a Reuters link from a half hour ago.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
Saudi Arabia vowed on Wednesday that Iran would “pay the price” for an alleged plot to kill its ambassador in Washington and U.S. officials said there could be a push for a new round of U.N. sanctions.
The Saudis appear to be a little pissed off.
250 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:56:43am |
re: #234 NJDhockeyfan
Have the Iranians blamed Da Joos yet?
Yes. It’s the 2nd or 3rd item on the standard denial checklist.
251 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:56:46am |
Another arrest for “contempt of cop”:
Exclusive: Teens record confrontation with officer
[Link: abclocal.go.com…]
“She’s crying and stuff and because we’re both Russian, I tell her in Russian to calm down and stuff and not do anything stupid,” the teen said.
Out of fear of retaliation, one teen didn’t want to be identified by name.
But he says his comments in Russian set off an officer from the 9th Precinct on a racist and hateful tirade.
NYPD Officer: “Where are you d**** from?”
Teen: “I’m from Brooklyn.”
NYPD Officer: “Good, you should f****** stay there. What are you f***** Russian?”
Teen: “You know what, officer.”
NYPD Officer: “No you’re Jewish. Go back to Israel, or where ever the f*** you’re from.
The conversation was secretly recorded by cell phone, just after three high school students were arrested just before 1 a.m. back in June.
This teen is overheard speaking calmly the entire time.
Teen: “Sir, officer, may I ask what I’m being charged with?”
NYPD Officer: “its call being a d***.”
252 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:57:44am |
Daily WFMU pimpage:
Aerial View with Chris T. - October 11, 2011: Occupy Wall Street Special (direct MP3 link)
253 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:58:53am |
re: #249 NJDhockeyfan
The Saudis appear to be a little pissed off.
I hope the guys charged like Colorado.
254 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:00:35am |
Globe in Unrest:
[Link: www.boston.com…]
255 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:00:43am |
re: #251 RogueOne
If you can be charged with being a dick, we’d have our own LGF wing at the jail.
////
257 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:01:07am |
re: #251 RogueOne
Not possible. NYPD cops show admirable restraint at all times and never act unreasonably. The only time they do anything that might be interpreted (by anti-American lefties) as being violent or antagonistic is when they are faced with a clear threat to public safety.
/
258 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:02:42am |
re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you can be charged with being a dick, we’d have our own LGF wing at the jail.
///
lol
259 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:02:50am |
re: #251 RogueOne
Between the stuff that does get out, the police preventing filming/recording of activities like it is standard policy, and the “thin blue line” mentality that protects wrongdoing you’d think the police might finally realize that their PR issues are at least half internal and not due to outside forces being out to get them.
I understand that they play an important role in society, and that what they do is often a thankless job, but I’ve had interactions with enough “asshole cops” to be very leery whenever I see police about in general. Too good a chance of being arbitrarily hassled.
260 | Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:03:47am |
Another huge rise in UK unemployment this month, a year into the tory Governments Deficit Reduction plans.
Elect more republicans and this is what you get to look forwards to.
261 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:04:39am |
262 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:05:18am |
263 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:06:04am |
There are about three posts on my fb about proof that BigFoot lives in Russia.
I don’t want to click.
264 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:06:15am |
re: #259 oaktree
I think cops are absolutely necessary, and they do a job which would try the patience of a saint.
But you have to call out the abuses when they happen.
265 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:06:56am |
re: #263 ggt
There are about three posts on my fb about proof that BigFoot lives in Russia.
I don’t want to click.
You mean everyone’s been searching the wrong area?
266 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:07:36am |
re: #230 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizardim. The weather is cooling off, which makes this lizard a very happy lizard.
Sorry, Alouette, I only just walked into the thread. What’s the question?
The Oracle guy is in a meeting anyway. Here’s the problem.
We have a program that does an INNER JOIN on two tables, using this command (I’ll simplify)
SELECT DISTINCT TABLE1.stuff FROM TABLE1
INNER JOIN TABLE2 ON TABLE2.stuff=TABLE1.stuff
Now they are changing all the values for “stuff” so that we have to create a new column in TABLE1 “morestuff” and the INNER JOIN has to be on “stuff” OR “morestuff”
TABLE2 will include values in its “stuff” column that will match either TABLE1.stuff OR TABLE1.morestuff
I’m not sure how to use COALESCE in order to INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on “stuff” or “morestuff” depending on which field gets a match.
Did you understand anything I just said?
267 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:07:43am |
re: #265 NJDhockeyfan
You mean everyone’s been searching the wrong area?
In Soviet Russia Yeti hunt photographers!
268 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:07:57am |
re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar
Here is a Reuters link from a half hour ago.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]
So the Saudi’s believe us and not the Iranians … .
heh
269 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:08:24am |
270 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:08:59am |
re: #238 000G
That it’s a conspiracy by Holder to divert attention from Fast & Furious.
No, seriously.
I remember similar sentiments about Bin Laden and Monica Lewinsky.
271 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:09:28am |
272 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:09:46am |
273 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:10:00am |
This is neat. NatGeo channel is playing “And Man Created Dog”, The Genetic Journey from Wolf to Dog.
Cool idea for a show.
274 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:10:10am |
re: #266 Alouette
The Oracle guy is in a meeting anyway. Here’s the problem.
We have a program that does an INNER JOIN on two tables, using this command (I’ll simplify)
SELECT DISTINCT TABLE1.stuff FROM TABLE1
INNER JOIN TABLE2 ON TABLE2.stuff=TABLE1.stuffNow they are changing all the values for “stuff” so that we have to create a new column in TABLE1 “morestuff” and the INNER JOIN has to be on “stuff” OR “morestuff”
TABLE2 will include values in its “stuff” column that will match either TABLE1.stuff OR TABLE1.morestuff
I’m not sure how to use COALESCE in order to INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on “stuff” or “morestuff” depending on which field gets a match.
Did you understand anything I just said?
Could also use a UNION clause to combine result sets from two queries.
SELECT a,b,c etc.
INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on stuff
UNION
SELECT a,b,c etc.
INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on morestuff
I’m not a fan of UNION though due to the extra processing.
275 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:10:23am |
re: #252 000G
Daily WFMU pimpage:
Aerial View with Chris T. - October 11, 2011: Occupy Wall Street Special (direct MP3 link)
I recommend this specifically to Obdicut.
276 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:10:48am |
re: #262 NJDhockeyfan
I’m sure you’re sure I don’t.
No, you just link to them. Which I’m sure is not the same as visiting them. e_e
277 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:11:01am |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This is neat. NatGeo channel is playing “And Man Created Dog”, The Genetic Journey from Wolf to Dog.
Cool idea for a show.
Oh com’on, everyone knows G-d created dog. Stan created Man… .
278 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:11:16am |
re: #259 oaktree
…snip
I understand that they play an important role in society, and that what they do is often a thankless job, but I’ve had interactions with enough “asshole cops” to be very leery whenever I see police about in general. Too good a chance of being arbitrarily hassled.
You should try to look whiter, older, and richer—works here in AL. And ditch that Huey Newton t-shirt.
279 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:12:32am |
re: #278 Decatur Deb
You should try to look whiter, older, and richer—works here in AL. And ditch that Huey Newton t-shirt.
Cops have a fucked-up job. Everyone lies them and the could be killed at any moment for no reason, other than they are cops. I’d be an asshole too if I were a cop —so I stay away from them.
280 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:13:29am |
re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, you just link to them. Which I’m sure is not the same as visiting them. e_e
I never link to any of their sites, but you knew that.
281 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:13:39am |
Everyone see this Page from Iceweasel this morning?
If the debate didn’t put me in a bad enough mood. .…
282 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:13:56am |
re: #239 RogueOne
Just looking for a reason to attack Iran. Blood for oil.
//
283 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:14:43am |
re: #278 Decatur Deb
You should try to look whiter, older, and richer—works here in AL. And ditch that Huey Newton t-shirt.
You are a racist! Probably a marxist who loves cop killers, too!
284 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:14:52am |
285 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:15:02am |
re: #278 Decatur Deb
You should try to look whiter, older, and richer—works here in AL. And ditch that Huey Newton t-shirt.
I guess I’ll have to work on the third one (looking richer). The second is coming along naturally.
Can I substitute in the “I smell bacon” T-shirt? ;)
286 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:15:47am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just looking for a reason to attack Iran. Blood for oil.
//
BIG IRANIAN OIL IS RIPPING US OFF!
287 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:16:43am |
re: #251 RogueOne
Great. So new a NYC cop is being anti-semitic? What the fuck. Don’t like Jews? Don’t live in New York. We’ve been here from the start. Fuck off if you don’t like it.
Seriously stupid racist.
288 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:18:05am |
re: #266 Alouette
The Oracle guy is in a meeting anyway. Here’s the problem.
We have a program that does an INNER JOIN on two tables, using this command (I’ll simplify)
SELECT DISTINCT TABLE1.stuff FROM TABLE1
INNER JOIN TABLE2 ON TABLE2.stuff=TABLE1.stuffNow they are changing all the values for “stuff” so that we have to create a new column in TABLE1 “morestuff” and the INNER JOIN has to be on “stuff” OR “morestuff”
TABLE2 will include values in its “stuff” column that will match either TABLE1.stuff OR TABLE1.morestuff
I’m not sure how to use COALESCE in order to INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on “stuff” or “morestuff” depending on which field gets a match.
Did you understand anything I just said?
Yeah, I got it. So you need to join TABLE1 to TABLE2, with 2 possible matching columns in TABLE1 and only one in TABLE2. Give me a minute and let me work on that.
289 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:18:16am |
This is funny. Two people carrying a protest sign walked into BOA yesterday to close their accounts.
The were removed by security.
Thatisjustfuckingfunny.
290 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:18:32am |
291 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:18:44am |
re: #277 ggt
Oh com’on, everyone knows G-d created dog. Stan created Man… .
Mr. Luis Dobermann created Dobermans.
[Link: www.dobermanhub.com…]
292 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:18:52am |
re: #274 oaktree
Could also use a UNION clause to combine result sets from two queries.
SELECT a,b,c etc.
INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on stuff
UNION
SELECT a,b,c etc.
INNER JOIN TABLE1 to TABLE2 on morestuffI’m not a fan of UNION though due to the extra processing.
I think I’ll wait for the Oracle guy to finish his meeting, in the meantime I can log in to the SQL Enterprise console and experiment with different SELECT commands.
293 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:19:32am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just looking for a reason to attack Iran. Blood for oil.
//
I thought it was for all the flouride—no?
294 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:20:18am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This is funny. Two people carrying a protest sign walked into BOA yesterday to close their accounts.
The were removed by security.
Thatisjustfuckingfunny.
Got link?
295 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:20:29am |
re: #291 RogueOne
Mr. Luis Dobermann created Dobermans.
[Link: www.dobermanhub.com…]
I like dobermans.
296 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:08am |
re: #292 Alouette
I think I’ll wait for the Oracle guy to finish his meeting, in the meantime I can log in to the SQL Enterprise console and experiment with different SELECT commands.
Probably a good approach. Learning by experimentation, and the console should help you hit the right syntax.
297 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:44am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just looking for a reason to attack Iran. Blood for oil.
//
The case against Iran is a “slam-dunk”…..
298 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:50am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This is funny. Two people carrying a protest sign walked into BOA yesterday to close their accounts.
The were removed by security.
Thatisjustfuckingfunny.
Completely appropriate on many levels.
299 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:22:03am |
re: #285 oaktree
I guess I’ll have to work on the third one (looking richer). The second is coming along naturally.
Can I substitute in the “I smell bacon” T-shirt? ;)
Also not recommended. Local BBQ festival shirt:
300 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:22:45am |
greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I just loved that video Charles posted; I’ve been to quite a few of those places in the video (Zion NP, Capitol Reef NP, Southern Utah, Colorado River Plateau), and a few places I want to get to (Delicate Arch, among others). It’s got me teething at the bit to get back out West and see more of the great landscapes of the US.
301 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:23:08am |
re: #281 ggt
Everyone see this Page from Iceweasel this morning?
If the debate didn’t put me in a bad enough mood. .…
Interests that support this bill:
Christian Conservative
Abortion policy/Pro-LifeTop recipients for ALL supporting interest groups
Name Amount Received Vote On Passage
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Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6] $15,500
Rep. Todd Akin [R, MO-2] $5,000
Rep. Steve King [R, IA-5] $2,500
Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers [R, WA-5] $2,500
Rep. Rob Wittman [R, VA-1] $2,000
Rep. David McKinley [R, WV-1] $1,702
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Rep. Allen West [R, FL-22] $1,250
Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer [R, MO-9] $1,000
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Sen. Marco Rubio [R, FL] $15,200
Sen. Richard Burr [R, NC] $3,000
Sen. Mike Johanns [R, NE] $1,000
Sen. John McCain [R, AZ] $367
Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH] $96
Sen. Bernard Sanders [I, VT] $0
Sen. Robert Menéndez [D, NJ] $0
Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] $0
Sen. David Vitter [R, LA] $0
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Family Research Council
302 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:23:49am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Video]Completely appropriate on many levels.
So, they have a BoA account but NOW feel the need to close it? Well, that will show those bankers!!!
303 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:24:23am |
re: #292 Alouette
I think I’ll wait for the Oracle guy to finish his meeting, in the meantime I can log in to the SQL Enterprise console and experiment with different SELECT commands.
I’m not sure if Oracle specifically allows this, but in most SQL implementations, you can put conditional statements in your JOIN clause. So it’d look something like:
SELECT * FROM TABLE1
JOIN TABLE2 ON TABLE1.stuff = TABLE2.stuff OR TABLE1.morestuff = TABLE2.stuff
In theory, I believe that should accomplish what you want.
304 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:24:55am |
re: #297 RogueOne
The case against Iran is a “slam-dunk”…
Oh, we believe anything the government tells us.
305 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:25:03am |
Appointments to handle. If I’m not back later (taking it easy today) enjoy your day folks!
306 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:26:48am |
re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar
You walk into my place of business with a protest sign protesting my business with a cameraman?
Oh, I’m throwing your ass out!
307 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:27:03am |
It looks like that ship that foundered on a reef near New Zealand is in jeopardy of splitting in half, and dumping more oil on the reef and nearby beaches.
308 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:28:20am |
re: #303 thedopefishlives
I’m not sure if Oracle specifically allows this, but in most SQL implementations, you can put conditional statements in your JOIN clause. So it’d look something like:
SELECT * FROM TABLE1
JOIN TABLE2 ON TABLE1.stuff = TABLE2.stuff OR TABLE1.morestuff = TABLE2.stuffIn theory, I believe that should accomplish what you want.
I’ll try that, it’s the simplest.
309 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:28:30am |
re: #307 lawhawk
It looks like that ship that foundered on a reef near New Zealand is in jeopardy of splitting in half, and dumping more oil on the reef and nearby beaches.
That really sucks.
310 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:29:59am |
re: #300 lawhawk
Here’s a hidden gem:
The town of Castle Dale, Utah has a couple of awesome museums in it, and is near amazing landscape. It’s got The Museum of the San Rafael and The Pioneer Museum in addition to the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry nearby, which isn’t active but has a few digs still in working condition.
And it’s right near The Wasatch Range.
I cannot express how wonderful the week I spent there was. I really felt connected to pioneers.
311 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:30:23am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You walk into my place of business with a protest sign protesting my business with a cameraman?
Oh, I’m throwing your ass out!
Yea, but think about how popular they will be at the next drum circle!!!
312 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:31:14am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You walk into my place of business with a protest sign protesting my business with a cameraman?
Oh, I’m throwing your ass out!
Do you own a business, or do you just want to.
314 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:32:16am |
re: #308 Alouette
I’ll try that, it’s the simplest.
Concur. I thought you’d tried that already and was having issues. :-/
Not sure it works with Oracle, but something like that works with MSSQL.
315 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:32:23am |
316 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:33:09am |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea, but think about how popular they will be at the next drum circle!!!
Well, although I agree that Bank of America was well within their rights to throw them out, now it’s a news story, and a lot of those stories will include the ‘why’— the many scandals and bad practices at Bank of America. So if the protesters were trying to get more scrutiny, any publicity like this is good.
I may be crediting them with too much high-level thought.
318 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:33:49am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Video]Completely appropriate on many levels.
Perhaps. But this was direct action lite. Bank of America still sucks and they can go feck themselves sideways along with all big banks.
‘Morning.
319 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:34:14am |
Good evening.
320 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:34:46am |
re: #312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Do you own a business, or do you just want to.
Work for a company. A big corporation. I like it.
321 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:34:50am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You walk into my place of business with a protest sign protesting my business with a cameraman?
Oh, I’m throwing your ass out!
Kinda reminds me of the time I went to buy cigarettes and as the cashier took my money she started berating me for smoking.
I told her to fuck-off, I could help support someone else’s job.
322 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:35:14am |
re: #319 Sergey Romanov
Good evening.
Hey, I’ve been looking for you. Was the woman sentenced to 7 years in prison the same one we talked about here around 3 months ago?
323 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:35:41am |
re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Work for a company. A big corporation. I like it.
But you don’t own one. K, just wondering.
324 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:35:52am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You walk into my place of business with a protest sign protesting my business with a cameraman?
Oh, I’m throwing your ass out!
((that is ,,, if I can’t sell you something 1st!!))
325 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:35:56am |
re: #316 Obdicut
Well, although I agree that Bank of America was well within their rights to throw them out, now it’s a news story, and a lot of those stories will include the ‘why’— the many scandals and bad practices at Bank of America. So if the protesters were trying to get more scrutiny, any publicity like this is good.
I may be crediting them with too much high-level thought.
Don’t want to bug you, but did you see my #275? Lots of interesting stuff in there.
326 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:36:25am |
re: #323 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
But you don’t own one. K, just wondering.
I have
I’ve owned and operated several small businesses in my time
327 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:36:53am |
328 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:37:27am |
re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar
Looks shady to me.
It wasn’t me, honest, I don’t know how that plant got out of the pot and the dirt got all over the floor.
329 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:14am |
330 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:28am |
re: #323 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I’m not smart enough to own my own company. I certainly do not want to work that hard either.
Which is probably the foundation of my political leanings.
I know many business owners; many upper management types. They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.
331 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:35am |
332 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:50am |
333 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:39:04am |
re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sure.
334 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:39:37am |
re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.
Liar
They just lay at the beach all day drinking
335 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:39:44am |
re: #323 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
But you don’t own one. K, just wondering.
Why were you wondering? I’m just wondering.
336 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:06am |
re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ok, I was just asking if you owned one or wish you did, since you mentioned your place of business. Everything else is copacetic.
337 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:06am |
re: #331 sattv4u2
Still under the (allergy) weather?
:(
yes, and the mold counts are higher today than yesterday.
I may have to move wayyyyy North.
338 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:17am |
re: #334 sattv4u2
They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.Liar
They just lay at the beach all day drinking on corporate junkets.
339 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:17am |
re: #329 ggt
good memory!
Thanks. Here it was on Hot Air.
Oh but not anymore. Now they all suddenly turned into good little Bank of America loyalists. It’s teh good for teh capitalism! Back and forth we go.
340 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:30am |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why were you wondering? I’m just wondering.
And now you have me wondering why you’re wondering why she’s wondering!
I wonder why that is!
341 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:45am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You walk into my place of business with a protest sign protesting my business with a cameraman?
Oh, I’m throwing your ass out!
Not to mention I’d bet that most/all banks have set policies against photography/filming on their premises. Want to prevent the media being used to help case the security set-up and procedures.
342 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:54am |
re: #326 sattv4u2
I have
I’ve owned and operated several small businesses in my time
So have I. I loved working for myself. I am working on doing that again. Right now I work for a huge company and they treat me great.
343 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:41:05am |
re: #336 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh. I was being figurative. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
344 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:41:26am |
re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.
Liar
They just lay at the beach all day drinking on corporate junkets in the back of their corporate jets
345 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:08am |
re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh. I was being figurative. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
I wonder why?
346 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:18am |
re: #337 ggt
yes, and the mold counts are higher today than yesterday.
I may have to move wayyy North.
Watch out were them huskies go, and don’t you eat that yellow snow.
You might be able to see Russia, or even a Palin in its natural environment!
347 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:27am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.
Liar
They just lay at the beach all day drinking on corporate junkets in the back of their corporate jets
While eating babies.
348 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:45am |
re: #327 Gus 802
Back when it was PC for the right wing to hate Bank of America.
rotfl
Back in the Pleistocene era of last August.
349 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:53am |
350 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:59am |
re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m not smart enough to own my own company. I certainly do not want to work that hard either.
Which is probably the foundation of my political leanings.
I know many business owners; many upper management types. They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.
Well, that’s fine. I think that the problem is, however, when the people in the trenches work long, hard hours (12/15+ hours a day) and provider quite a bit of value to their companies, but make 1/300th of what those upper management types make.
351 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:43:09am |
re: #346 oaktree
Watch out were them huskies go, and don’t you eat that yellow snow.
You might be able to see Russia, or even a Palin in its natural environment!
I only go to the Northern Border of Starbuck’s Country.
353 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:43:47am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
And now you have me wondering why you’re wondering why she’s wondering!
I wonder why that is!
Is it any wonder?
355 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:44:30am |
Speaking of working 12/15 hours a day
The Dalai Lama, when asked what surprised him most about humanity
Man…. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.
Whoa.
356 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:44:42am |
357 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:44:44am |
re: #351 ggt
I only go to the Northern Border of Starbuck’s Country.
Ah, between the two Vancouvers then…
358 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:44:48am |
359 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:45:02am |
re: #310 Obdicut
I’ll definitely have to check it out when I plan my next Utah trip, which would likely take me to Moab, Arches, and the SE corner of the state (since that’s about the only part of the state I haven’t gotten to.
360 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:45:51am |
re: #357 oaktree
Ah, between the two Vancouvers then…
might be too much rain there and not enough freeze.
361 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:46:04am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.Liar
They just lay at the beach all day drinking on corporate junkets in the back of their corporate jets with slave hookers.
362 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:46:52am |
re: #350 Simply Sarah
Well, that’s fine. I think that the problem is, however, when the people in the trenches work long, hard hours (12/15+ hours a day) and provider quite a bit of value to their companies, but make 1/300th of what those upper management types make.
You are a class warfare violent leftist. And probably a Marxist who eats babies, too.
363 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:47:00am |
re: #359 lawhawk
Castle Dale is just about smack-dab in the middle of the state and takes some getting to, which is part of the charm.
364 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:47:14am |
re: #348 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
rotfl
Back in the Pleistocene era of last August.
That was in 2007 though. But it could have been last August for any other thing.
365 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:47:18am |
re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is this before or after they’ve cornered the frozen orange juice market?
366 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:47:52am |
re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You are a class warfare violent leftist. And probably a Marxist who eats babies, too.
Eh, never did care much for the taste of babies.
367 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:48:19am |
re: #354 Obdicut
Yeah. Um, is the whole thing a comedy show?
Nope. Talk. Don’t let the little interludes throw you off.
368 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:48:30am |
re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m not smart enough to own my own company. I certainly do not want to work that hard either.
Which is probably the foundation of my political leanings.
Funny, it might just be the foundation of my political leanings too: I think we should arrange society in such a way that it’s possible for anyone to earn a decent living as long as you work reasonably hard at it.
I know many business owners; many upper management types. They work long hours (12/15 hours a day) and provide quite a bit of value to their companies.
I know that there are many people in the US who work similarly long hours and are not paid enough to provide adequate food/shelter/medical care for their families. I suppose that’s just the American Dream at work!
369 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:49:00am |
We love corporate banks so much yet we still don’t support TARP!
//Ironical.
370 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:49:16am |
re: #360 ggt
might be too much rain there and not enough freeze.
Get east of the Cascades then. My parents lived in Bend for a few years and I thought it was a pretty nice area.
371 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:49:39am |
BTW, today’s protesters are expect to march on Chase plaza near Wall Street later today. I noted yesterday that the building is surrounded by an open plaza that is ordinarily open to the public, but it had been cordoned off to thwart protesters from camping there. Well, it looks like that’s going to be put to the test.
BTW, found this quip to be humorous:
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves Orcs.”
-John Rogers
372 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:49:58am |
re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I also know upper management types who are worse than useless, and get paid shitloads. I worked on the Sims Online, and every $9 tester knew it’d be a hellacious flop with terrible outcomes, and all the million-dollar a year VPs told us to fuck off. We got told to stop putting in gameplay bugs.
Result, the game flopped terribly and caused scandals for EA.
Those guys are mostly still there, and if they’re not, they’re at other game companies. Nobody got fired. I mean, testers got fired during that time period for various stuff, but no bigwigs did.
373 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:50:07am |
374 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:50:17am |
re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If you oppose efforts to redirect yet more income from the bottom 99% of society to the top 1%, you are in effect claiming that rich people are baby-eating monsters. Shame on you!
375 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:50:45am |
re: #369 Gus 802
We love corporate banks so much yet we still don’t support TARP!
//Ironical.
obamneycare 57 states teleprompter porkulus!
376 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:50:59am |
Ultimately violence will be necessary, says Occupy L.A. speaker
377 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:51:15am |
re: #367 000G
Nope. Talk. Don’t let the little interludes throw you off.
Oh god I hate radio. Everyone talks so slow and stutters.
I wish I could double the speed this guy talked at. Or edit out the long pauses.
378 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:51:27am |
re: #372 Obdicut
I also know upper management types who are worse than useless, and get paid shitloads. I worked on the Sims Online, and every $9 tester knew it’d be a hellacious flop with terrible outcomes, and all the million-dollar a year VPs told us to fuck off. We got told to stop putting in gameplay bugs.
Result, the game flopped terribly and caused scandals for EA.
Those guys are mostly still there, and if they’re not, they’re at other game companies. Nobody got fired. I mean, testers got fired during that time period for various stuff, but no bigwigs did.
Man, you had to work on that? I’m sorry. To be fair, though, they seemed to have convinced the media it would be something other than a mess, as well. Low bar, I know.
379 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:51:55am |
re: #374 iossarian
Do you realize how much hard work it takes to be on of the top 1 percenters in Murica?
Everyone else is a trust funder too. Except them of course. 1 percenters aren’t trust funders. Nope.
//
380 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:52:06am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Ultimately violence will be necessary, says Occupy L.A. speaker
[Video]
Preaching violent Marxist revolution.
Just like the Tea Party did!
381 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:52:17am |
re: #363 Obdicut
Well, it is sort of on the way to Moab from SLC, if you don’t want to take the most direct routing. And it sounds like the kind of place you want to take you out of the way.
382 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:52:28am |
re: #350 Simply Sarah
Well, that’s fine. I think that the problem is, however, when the people in the trenches work long, hard hours (12/15+ hours a day) and provider quite a bit of value to their companies, but make 1/300th of what those upper management types make.
I make 5x what the average employee at my company makes as a commissioned salesperson. I also return about 20x the profit that the average employee at my company makes.
I am worth much more to the company than the guy who unloads the truck, while he is also of great value to the company. They can find a hundred guys who can unload a truck. There are only a handful of guys/gals in the top ten percent of performers.
Was Steve Jobs worth so much more to Apple than the guy who worked long hours in an Apple Store? My answer? Fuck yes. More than 300x.
383 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:52:55am |
re: #365 oaktree
Is this before or after they’ve cornered the frozen orange juice market?
One dollar.
384 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:53:14am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
I wonder, which corporation did they steal that shopping cart from.:)
385 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:53:29am |
re: #372 Obdicut
I also know upper management types who are worse than useless, and get paid shitloads. I worked on the Sims Online, and every $9 tester knew it’d be a hellacious flop with terrible outcomes, and all the million-dollar a year VPs told us to fuck off. We got told to stop putting in gameplay bugs.
Result, the game flopped terribly and caused scandals for EA.
Those guys are mostly still there, and if they’re not, they’re at other game companies. Nobody got fired. I mean, testers got fired during that time period for various stuff, but no bigwigs did.
Isn’t that one of three main categories of IT war stories?
1. Stupid user tricks
2. Impossible code specs
3. Management ignoring sage advice on a project or outsourcing initiative
386 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:53:53am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I make 5x what the average employee at my company makes as a commissioned salesperson. I also return about 20x the profit that the average employee at my company makes.
I am worth much more to the company than the guy who unloads the truck, while he is also of great value to the company. They can find a hundred guys who can unload a truck. There are only a handful of guys/gals in the top ten percent of performers.
Was Steve Jobs worth so much more to Apple than the guy who worked long hours in an Apple Store? My answer? Fuck yes. More than 300x.
Look, I’m somewhat willing to grant salespeople the potential for greater pay, in part because it tends to be extra stressful, cutthroat, and failure to perform often results in failure to have a job.
387 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:53:54am |
re: #379 Gus 802
Do you realize how much hard work it takes to be on of the top 1 percenters in Murica?
Everyone else is a trust funder too. Except them of course. 1 percenters aren’t trust funders. Nope.
//
The “OWS trust fund protestors” claim is the biggest case of projection since last week’s example of massive right-wing projection.
388 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:54:09am |
re: #366 Simply Sarah
Eh, never did care much for the taste of babies.
Some of these dumb confederates really think the point of legalized abortion is to get blood for satanic rituals. I’ve had a couple accuse me of such, over the years.
I let them know they are wrong. It’s to get blood for the moon-worship rituals. Stoopids!
389 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:54:35am |
re: #385 oaktree
Isn’t that one of three main categories of IT war stories?
1. Stupid user tricks
2. Impossible code specs
3. Management ignoring sage advice on a project or outsourcing initiative
Do I need to pick only one of those?
390 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:54:38am |
re: #377 Obdicut
Oh god I hate radio. Everyone talks so slow and stutters.
I wish I could double the speed this guy talked at. Or edit out the long pauses.
I had a Walkman cassette player once that played at 1 1/2 speed. Was freaking fantastic for books on tape.
391 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:54:38am |
re: #378 Simply Sarah
Heh. I did fine. I immediately assigned myself to the installer testing team, in order to spend as little time in-game as possible.
The installer was a piece of crap to; it was hand-made for the game because they wanted a funky AI. So it had all sorts of bugs. My favorite:
You could install the entire game to the LPT1 printer port, which would remove the memory from Windows until you reformatted.
You could install the game to a temporary file by putting a typo in the directory name which would install the game to temp, let it run fine, but clear it out after you shut down and restarted.
392 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:55:17am |
re: #389 Simply Sarah
Do I need to pick only one of those?
Definitely not. They often bundle for extra *FUN*.
393 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:55:35am |
re: #377 Obdicut
Oh god I hate radio. Everyone talks so slow and stutters.
I wish I could double the speed this guy talked at. Or edit out the long pauses.
Haha, same could be said about Romney during the last debate.
I love radio. :-)
394 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:55:46am |
re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had a Walkman cassette player once that played at 1 1/2 speed. Was freaking fantastic for books on tape.
The Chipmunks read The Stand?
///
395 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:56:16am |
re: #385 oaktree
Isn’t that one of three main categories of IT war stories?
1. Stupid user tricks
2. Impossible code specs
3. Management ignoring sage advice on a project or outsourcing initiative
Looks like 4. All of the above.
Lol management geniuses telling others what to do. e_e
396 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:56:21am |
re: #391 Obdicut
You could install the entire game to the LPT1 printer port, which would remove the memory from Windows until you reformatted.
I…what? You could…WHAT? WHAT?
397 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:56:44am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Ultimately violence will be necessary, says Occupy L.A. speaker
[Video]
Preaching violent Marxist revolution.
Hitchens comes from a Marxist tradition that traces its origins to Trotsky’s work, albeit critically. He knows that comments about Marxism and Bolshevism as any kind of religion are shallow and wrong.
You do realize that Hitchens still considers himself a Marxist. Right? The same guy that supported the Iraq War. He’s also a great admirer of the revolutionary Trotsky.
398 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:02am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Ultimately violence will be necessary, says Occupy L.A. speaker
[Video]
Preaching violent Marxist revolution.
You can’t have a proper revolution without violence, ya know
After all, as the speaker stated, “Gandhi is a tumor”!!
399 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:12am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I make 5x what the average employee at my company makes as a commissioned salesperson. I also return about 20x the profit that the average employee at my company makes.
I am worth much more to the company than the guy who unloads the truck, while he is also of great value to the company. They can find a hundred guys who can unload a truck. There are only a handful of guys/gals in the top ten percent of performers.
Was Steve Jobs worth so much more to Apple than the guy who worked long hours in an Apple Store? My answer? Fuck yes. More than 300x.
Without the salespeople—no one would have a job.
400 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:25am |
re: #386 Simply Sarah
Look, I’m somewhat willing to grant salespeople the potential for greater pay, in part because it tends to be extra stressful, cutthroat, and failure to perform often results in failure to have a job.
Hmm. Sounds like upper management.
Except they should not have the potential for greater pay?
401 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:41am |
re: #381 lawhawk
Well, it is sort of on the way to Moab from SLC, if you don’t want to take the most direct routing. And it sounds like the kind of place you want to take you out of the way.
Southern Utah is where God goes on vacation.
402 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:58:08am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Steve Jobs was famous because he was an actually successful CEO.
They’re rare.
The US compensates executives at a rate about ten times higher than anywhere else. We average about 250/1 pay for executives compared to workers. Japan has it at about eleven. Many other countries with very, very successful companies, like, everywhere in Europe, has about 1/10th our rate of CEO compensation. It’s a cultural thing here in the US, not market-driven.
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
403 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:58:47am |
Good Morning Kids! I hope everyone is doing well?
404 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:58:53am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is Steve Jobs the rule or the exception?
I’d argue he’s the exception to the rule on management. He’s one of the few people who had a real vision and a knack for knowing the kinds of products people wanted (even if the tech wasn’t quite ready for it).
There are a few other owners/founders who have similar abilities, Bill Gates at MSFT and Larry Ellison at Oracle. They built those companies into the powerhouses that they are.
Someone at GM, Kodak, or other established company whose founders are long dead? Not so much. The head of Chase or BoA or Kodak? Definitely not. Those are companies in transition, flawed, and bordering on bankruptcy. Do those CEOs/Boards deserve the compensation packages they’ve got? I don’t think so - and while some of those getting paid are being paid to turn the companies around, the compensation is not in line with the company performance.
Firing thousands of employees to try and cut costs creates the potential death spiral and widens the management/employee compensation chasm. Getting bonuses to do so makes the situation even more egregious - particularly when the share price doesn’t respond (often a key factor in the business decisions - boost share prices as a sign you’re doing well).
405 | Big Steve Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:58:59am |
Just saw this……Ethan Siegel has a copy of the customs papers the Apollo 11 astronauts had to fill out. Oddly they had to go through customs to get back to the states after going to the moon. I love the line where it lists “flight” and they answer “Apollo 11”. [Link: www.physics.org…]
406 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:25am |
407 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:29am |
Well. At least they won’t be starting some fake war with Iraq based on made up intelligence information regarding some BS about WMDs and going on to kill over 100,000 Iraqis to revenge Bush I’s failure in Operation Desert Storm. And subsequently torturing, oops I mean waterboarding, terrorist “suspects” against international convention.
408 | Interesting Times Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:38am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was Steve Jobs worth so much more to Apple than the guy who worked long hours in an Apple Store? My answer? Fuck yes. More than 300x.
How much was $42 million golden parachute Carly Failorina worth to HP? Or these epic fail Bank of America execs?
Elevenmilliondollars? What the hell world are you inhabiting? Eleven million dollars for two departing executives because things didn’t work out? I’m sorry, but were these two executives of Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez-level importance for your organization? Is that why there are severance deals like this in place? Or are you just completely psychotic?
It’s not that this isn’t your prerogative as a private company - it is. But seriously, numbers like these at a time when you’re instituting added fees on customer accounts just sound farcical, almost like you’re making these payments to get a reaction out people.
409 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:39am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Ultimately violence will be necessary, says Occupy L.A. speaker
[Video]
Preaching violent Marxist revolution.
But ultimately violence is neccessary against dirty marxist trust fund hippies, no?
410 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:46am |
re: #402 Obdicut
We pay for the Best and Brightest, and look what we get: a vibrant, soaring economy!!!
411 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:00:04am |
re: #409 000G
But ultimately violence is neccessary against dirty marxist trust fund hippies, no?
Pinochet would agree.
//
412 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:00:19am |
re: #394 Cannadian Club Akbar
It was a couple beats slower than the chipmunks; the voice was little higher; but the speed was noticeable.
413 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:01:10am |
What people don’t realize about commsission sales is that they actually earn a percent of what they sell —nothing more, nothing less
It is the only position in which one actually earns “merit” pay. The harder you work the more you make. Then you lose a customer to competition or to a buy-out or re-org and you have to do it all over again.
There is no floating on your laurels, no seniority benefits, It’s all WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY.
414 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:01:10am |
415 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:01:11am |
re: #401 ralphieboy
Mrs. Lawhawk and I have contemplated retiring to St. George UT - because of how close it is to some of the most beautiful land I’ve ever laid eyes upon. It’s really that amazing and no amount of photos could ever do it justice (try as I might).
416 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:01:17am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Looks like Occupy LA has abandoned the human microphone/repeat-after-me that put you all off, so. Or did they?
Either that or there’s more to that speech than a 1 and a half minute youtube clip.
Who is that, btw?
417 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:01:49am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I make 5x what the average employee at my company makes as a commissioned salesperson. I also return about 20x the profit that the average employee at my company makes.
You “return about 20x the profit”? What does that even mean?
You, personally, are buying goods, and selling them off yourself at a profit? With no support from any other staff who might have a claim to a portion of that profit?
Quick - all companies eliminate their IT departments! THEY ARE MERELY COST CENTERS!
I am worth much more to the company than the guy who unloads the truck, while he is also of great value to the company. They can find a hundred guys who can unload a truck. There are only a handful of guys/gals in the top ten percent of performers.
Just the kind of sentiment that makes everyone feel part of a big happy corporate family! I suggest you post this on the custodial staff’s notice board as an uplifting call to try harder.
418 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:02:00am |
re: #376 Killgore Trout
Ultimately violence will be necessary, says Occupy L.A. speaker
[Video]
Preaching violent Marxist revolution.
re: #398 sattv4u2
You can’t have a proper revolution without violence, ya know
After all, as the speaker stated, “Gandhi is a tumor”!!
Holy crap
I shortchanged the guy
Last sentence
“long live socialism”
APPLAUSE!!!
419 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:02:28am |
re: #402 Obdicut
Steve Jobs was famous because he was an actually successful CEO.
They’re rare.
The US compensates executives at a rate about ten times higher than anywhere else. We average about 250/1 pay for executives compared to workers. Japan has it at about eleven. Many other countries with very, very successful companies, like, everywhere in Europe, has about 1/10th our rate of CEO compensation. It’s a cultural thing here in the US, not market-driven.
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
Why do stockholders allow for such high salaries?
420 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:01am |
re: #407 Gus 802
Well. At least they won’t be starting some fake war with Iraq based on made up intelligence information regarding some BS about WMDs and going on to kill over 100,000 Iraqis to revenge Bush I’s failure in Operation Desert Storm. And subsequently torturing, oops I mean waterboarding, terrorist “suspects” against international convention.
You missed the memo. Obama is going to start a war with Iran in order to avenge Carter’s messed up hostage rescue operation…
All the pinko liberals stick together.
///
421 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:02am |
re: #380 NJDhockeyfan
Just like the Tea Party did!
No, Tea Party just preached violent patriotic RWNJ revolution instead of violent marxist revolution. 2nd amendment remedies, etc. ‘member?
422 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:28am |
re: #414 Dragon_Lady
Oh, S S D D.
I hear that!
Finally have a day off here. Woke up, son and wifey went on a school picnic (senior day)
Went down to get a cup of coffee and I see she left me a Honey Do List!
423 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:31am |
re: #409 000G
But ultimately violence is neccessary against dirty marxist trust fund hippies, no?
Of course it is.
Violence is the only thing violent left understands. Teabag them before they teabag you, I always say. ///
424 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:42am |
re: #404 lawhawk
I agree. However, companies pay no more than what they think they need to pay to attract talent.
Sometimes the talent is Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire.
Sometimes the talent is Robin Williams in Toys.
And you don’t know what you’ve got until the first reel is done and people are walking out of the theater or standing and cheering.
425 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:40am |
426 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:50am |
re: #407 Gus 802
Well. At least they won’t be starting some fake war with Iraq based on made up intelligence information regarding some BS about WMDs and going on to kill over 100,000 Iraqis to revenge Bush I’s failure in Operation Desert Storm. And subsequently torturing, oops I mean waterboarding, terrorist “suspects” against international convention.
The moonbats at HuffPo are already questioning the bust:
StupidIsAsStupidDoes
This story is total BS. Created to take attention away from the cartel gunwalker scandal, the terrible economy, the failure in afghanistan, and to engineer a war with Iran. They’re using sanctions as a prelude to war. And btw, with every new war we lose more civil and constitutional rights. Think about that before you cheerily support another fabricated war will only make your poorer.
…..
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
rbspicklesThis “terror plot” was discovered last JUNE!!! If it was such a big deal, why didn’t they scream louder back then? Oh yeah, Occupy Wall Street wasn’t happening.…duh. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Look over here!!
…..
cincinnati
Does this so called plot make much sense…..NO !
Why would Iran take such extreme steps, knowing it has a fair
chance of being exposed, for such small gains ?This sounds more like some sort of set up.
Even the Morning Joe crowd was making fun of the notion….
Joe Scarbough said it sounded like something made up
for a fantasy mystery or cop show…..You don’t have to like the Iranian government to smell
something fishy about this claim…..and perhaps
the neocon’s behind it……wanting to drag us into
yet another war. Make your calls to the media and
Congress, don’t put up with another phony conflict.…
TheMenWhoCrashedTheWorldUS SUPPORTS OVER 30 BRUTAL RIGHT WING DICTATORSHIPS.
US ATTACKS OTHER COUNTRIES ILLEGALLY.
US TORTURES
US FUNDS TE.RRORISTS WORLDWIDE
WE THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD PUT EVERYONE ON ALERT!!
US T.ERRORISM IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN AGAIN!
…..
Alexey Braguine
This is beginning to look like the pre-invasion of Iraq moves by Bush and Neocon company.. The US, which is flat broke is fanning the coals of war. Since AIPAC controls the US congress, the situation is dangerous.
So the State department tries to scare US citizens because, supposedly Iranians want to kill a Saudi Ambassador. Tht really makes sense..
…..
LOL!
427 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:09am |
re: #402 Obdicut
Steve Jobs was famous because he was an actually successful CEO.
They’re rare.
The US compensates executives at a rate about ten times higher than anywhere else. We average about 250/1 pay for executives compared to workers. Japan has it at about eleven. Many other countries with very, very successful companies, like, everywhere in Europe, has about 1/10th our rate of CEO compensation. It’s a cultural thing here in the US, not market-driven.
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
Indeed, my issue is less with upper management making more than it is with just how much more it is and the fact that compensation and qualifications are often bullshit as well.
428 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:25am |
re: #417 iossarian
I invite the custodial staff to do my job any day they want to try. I can swing a mop as well as anyone; but I don’t want his money.
429 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:26am |
430 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:46am |
re: #419 ggt
Why do stockholders allow for such high salaries?
431 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:50am |
re: #422 sattv4u2
I hear that!
Finally have a day off here. Woke up, son and wifey went on a school picnic (senior day)
Went down to get a cup of coffee and I see she left me a Honey Do List!
My Honey Do List never ends! Only He never has to write it down, all I have to do is look around the place and it writes itself!
BTW, your the first person in a long time to know what I meant by S S D D!
432 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:06:07am |
re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I agree. However, companies pay no more than what they think they need to pay to attract talent.
Yes - companies pay their executives high salaries because other companies pay their executives high salaries.
Back in the 50s it didn’t matter because 90% of the salary above $500K (or whatever) went back to the state to pay for the schools/roads/telephones that enabled continued prosperity.
But now the wealthy get to keep it all and the rest of us are fucked.
433 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:06:55am |
re: #417 iossarian
Just the kind of sentiment that makes everyone feel part of a big happy corporate family! I suggest you post this on the custodial staff’s notice board as an uplifting call to try harder.
You, too, can be as class-anxious and nervous about who’s coming for my stuff as I am!!
434 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:07:12am |
re: #409 000G
But ultimately violence is neccessary against dirty marxist trust fund hippies, no?
What do you mean, “necessary”? It’s just fun. Just put a “Marxist” label on, say, a few girls (who you actually don’t know are Marxists, but who cares) and any kind of physical abuse suddenly becomes fun, whether provoked or not.
It’s not violence when anti-Marxists do it.
436 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:07:59am |
re: #434 Sergey Romanov
What do you mean, “necessary”? It’s just fun. Just put a “Marxist” label on, say, a few girls (who you actually don’t know are Marxists, but who cares) and any kind of physical abuse suddenly becomes fun, whether provoked or not.
It’s not violence when anti-Marxists do it.
Zombietime lives on!
//
437 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:08:01am |
re: #397 Gus 802
Hitchens comes from a Marxist tradition that traces its origins to Trotsky’s work, albeit critically. He knows that comments about Marxism and Bolshevism as any kind of religion are shallow and wrong.
You do realize that Hitchens still considers himself a Marxist. Right? The same guy that supported the Iraq War. He’s also a great admirer of the revolutionary Trotsky.
Are you saying KT’s avatar is advocating violent marxist revolution?
438 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:08:30am |
re: #434 Sergey Romanov
For memory:
Minus: 15
000G, BishopX, bratwurst, iceweasel, jamesfirecat, Jimmah, OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin, palomino, publicityStunted, recusancy, Sergey Romanov, SteelPH, windsagio, WindUpBird, wlewisiiiPlus: 6
Claire, Fat Bastard Vegetarian, LudwigVanQuixote, sattv4u2, ThomasLite, Winny Spencer
439 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:08:38am |
re: #407 Gus 802
Well. At least they won’t be starting some fake war with Iraq based on made up intelligence information regarding some BS about WMDs and going on to kill over 100,000 Iraqis to revenge Bush I’s failure in Operation Desert Storm. And subsequently torturing, oops I mean waterboarding, terrorist “suspects” against international convention.
Haha, look at you! You almost kind of read like a wikileaks supporter, now.
440 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:01am |
re: #435 lawhawk
SS/DD? single-sided/double-density? /
Noooo. Same Shit, Different Day! LOL! I love ya Lawhawk!
441 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:01am |
re: #431 Dragon_Lady
My Honey Do List never ends! Only He never has to write it down, all I have to do is look around the place and it writes itself!
BTW, your the first person in a long time to know what I meant by S S D D!
Really?
I’ve been SSDD for the last decade or so. To tie it in to the current thread, back when I did own/ run my own businesses it was a dizzying array of different S of different days
Now that i’ve been working for one of those terrible Big Corps, my role is well defined, my job description/ duties are clear, so even though I totally enjoy it, it is SSDD
442 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:30am |
re: #419 ggt
Why do stockholders allow for such high salaries?
Well, in many cases it’s because they’re not fucking paying attention to what the board is doing. Or, as is often the case now, the major shareholders are mutual funds that aren’t really too deeply interested in the company outside of dividends and share price.
443 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:35am |
re: #437 000G
Are you saying KT’s avatar is advocating violent marxist revolution?
Could be. I’m not sure if Hitchens likes Gandhi either. He sure hates Mother Theresa though. That’s a downright radical Marxist extremist that Hitchens man is. ;) //
444 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:40am |
re: #417 iossarian
You “return about 20x the profit”? What does that even mean?
For every dollar an average employee ads to the company’s profit, I add about twenty dollars.
445 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:41am |
446 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:00am |
re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I invite the custodial staff to do my job any day they want to try. I can swing a mop as well as anyone; but I don’t want his money.
I’m sure I could find five dudes in India who can do your job better than you for less.
But I’m sure you have a reason why we need to restrict the immigration of talented, hard-working people to the US.
447 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:05am |
re: #438 Sergey Romanov
Changed again. +1 for laughing at protestors getting maced and mocking them as trustfund marxists without any evidence whatsoever.
448 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:15am |
re: #445 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah. Sad when people turn into sick fucks.
450 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:23am |
re: #430 Obdicut
Damn it, it got eaten.
Short answer:
Things got to where they are because almost nobody has direct ownership and management of their shares. People buy portfolios, someone manages it for them, often they buy into an entire fund, which cross-buys a lot of other fund stuff, etc. So the success of individual stocks rarely penetrates all the way down to individual consumers. Instead, it rests with big-money managers who are often then move to the board of companies. It’s all a very incestuous place. In addition, by starving wages— which have remained stagnant for decades now— while productivity rises, they’ve been able to keep profits high and give out dividends on a regular basis, which makes dividend-liking shareholders, the only kind who really pay attention, happy.
However, we’re coming up to a limit. A lot of investors don’t like the payouts. The article I cited has more on that. It’s a barrier to investment in the US businesses. It’s one reason why you see a lot of investment in US bonds even right now, when interest rates are so low; people lack long-term confidence in companies.
However, things may have been taken as far as they can go.
451 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:30am |
re: #434 Sergey Romanov
What do you mean, “necessary”? It’s just fun. Just put a “Marxist” label on, say, a few girls (who you actually don’t know are Marxists, but who cares) and any kind of physical abuse suddenly becomes fun, whether provoked or not.
It’s not violence when anti-Marxists do it.
When frustrated commiebaiters do it, it’s because they were provoked.
By not being a frustrated commiebaiter, the young women were just asking for it.
It would have been cruel not to reward them with it. ///
452 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:53am |
re: #397 Gus 802
If Hitch showed up at a an OWS rally preaching violent Marxist rrevolution I’d have no problem linking to the video.
453 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:07am |
re: #448 Sergey Romanov
Yeah. Sad when people turn into sick fucks.
Hypocrisy.
I would never advocate the macing and beating of Tea Partiers.
454 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:08am |
re: #444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
For every dollar an average employee ads to the company’s profit, I add about twenty dollars.
By yourself? How?
What do you do, and how does it add profit?
455 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:58am |
re: #408 publicityStunted
I don’t think they were worth it. Certainly didn’t earn it. Unfortunately? The ink was dry on the CONTRACTS THAT THE COMPANIES SIGNED!
456 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:12:41am |
re: #443 Gus 802
Could be. I’m not sure if Hitchens likes Gandhi either. He sure hates Mother Theresa though. That’s a downright radical Marxist extremist that Hitchens man is. ;) //
He Hates Gandhi too.
457 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:12:51am |
What’s funnier than middle-aged fearful people degenerating into paranoid conservatism?
Middle-aged fearful people degenerating into paranoid conservatism on a public internet forum.
458 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:13:26am |
re: #453 Gus 802
Hypocrisy.
I would never advocate the macing and beating of Tea Partiers.
If anybody turns violent or provokes violence it’s one thing.
These girls were just minding their business. The macing was unprovoked. He just went near and sprayed them. Who but sick fucks can not only endorse it but actually enjoy it? People who tortured little animals in childhood?
459 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:13:47am |
re: #446 iossarian
I’m sure I could find five dudes in India who can do your job better than you for less.
But I’m sure you have a reason why we need to restrict the immigration of talented, hard-working people to the US.
I am absolutely positive you could find five dudes in a country of about two billion who could be better than me. You are right.
Over here? My company can’t find them.
460 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:13:56am |
461 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:13:59am |
re: #417 iossarian
Quick - all companies eliminate their IT departments! THEY ARE MERELY COST CENTERS!
(snip).
Been there. Lived that.
The VP who said in a meeting that “IT never sold a pound of product” got reminded of that line a lot. And he also went out the door right quickly when the 2000 buyout came.
Of the three times I’ve been “sold” to another company that was the most efficiently carried out one. They gutted out the entire middle management and essentially successfully cleared the way for imparting their corporate culture without the stonewalling and blocking that stopped the initiatives of the 1995 group* cold.
* - A bunch of upper level execs who never quite understood why everything they announced was treated as “ho hum, same business as yesterday”. That’s because everything they announced never made it down the chain to the basic salary and hourly workers. Which made it the same as the pseudo-changes the pre-1995 group made simply to sound good. Day-to-day you look at what the execs do, not what they say.
462 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:14:07am |
re: #454 iossarian
This is why self-examples are bad. It starts to get personal real quick.
The point is not what exact level of profit FBV makes for his corporation. It’s entirely possible it’s 20. Who knows? What you’re trying to get across is the value of the other people in the corporation. The market valuation of tasks is a fair one economically, but not fair in terms of recognizing the work, or the difficulty of the work.
I”m sure FBV appreciates everything the support staff do to keep him going. But in strict economic terms, a good salesman is a lot harder to find and a lot more ‘valuable’ than most other employees.
463 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:14:13am |
re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am absolutely positive you could find five dudes in a country of about two billion who could be better than me. You are right.
Over here? My company can’t find them.
So why can’t the Indians immigrate? I’m sure they’d love to.
464 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:14:33am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
If Hitch showed up at a an OWS rally preaching violent Marxist rrevolution I’d have no problem linking to the video.
Do you know who the guy in your #376 is?
465 | Interesting Times Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:14:47am |
re: #419 ggt
Why do stockholders allow for such high salaries?
Perhaps because the people getting those salaries own the most stock in the company?
re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And you don’t know what you’ve got until the first reel is done and people are walking out of the theater or standing and cheering.
Then why do the epic fail execs get such disgustingly exorbitant severance packages? “Durr hurr, we can’t attract top talent unless they know they’ll get huge payouts for running the company into the ground.”
Where’s the incentive to do a good job when you know you’ll be obscenely rewarded for a bad one?
466 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:15:35am |
re: #441 sattv4u2
Really?
I’ve been SSDD for the last decade or so. To tie it in to the current thread, back when I did own/ run my own businesses it was a dizzying array of different S of different days
Now that i’ve been working for one of those terrible Big Corps, my role is well defined, my job description/ duties are clear, so even though I totally enjoy it, it is SSDD
Yeah, you should see the faces of some of the younger people I explain it too! Kinda reminds me of the looks on the faces of those who use the expression “E-Ticket Ride” and I ask them if they know where that expression came from! Explaining it is so much fun sometimes! Walt Disney would be so proud!
467 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:15:40am |
re: #462 Obdicut
This is why self-examples are bad. It starts to get personal real quick.
The point is not what exact level of profit FBV makes for his corporation. It’s entirely possible it’s 20. Who knows? What you’re trying to get across is the value of the other people in the corporation. The market valuation of tasks is a fair one economically, but not fair in terms of recognizing the work, or the difficulty of the work.
I”m sure FBV appreciates everything the support staff do to keep him going. But in strict economic terms, a good salesman is a lot harder to find and a lot more ‘valuable’ than most other employees.
Salesmen are a different breed. It is grueling work, IMHO. I can do it, but burn out real fast. Salesmen thrive in their environment doing what they do.
468 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:16:08am |
re: #434 Sergey Romanov
What do you mean, “necessary”? It’s just fun. Just put a “Marxist” label on, say, a few girls (who you actually don’t know are Marxists, but who cares) and any kind of physical abuse suddenly becomes fun, whether provoked or not.
It’s not violence when anti-Marxists do it.
Paradoxically, demonstrating that kind of sentiment actually creates public support for Marxists.
People should be careful about gloating.
469 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:16:22am |
re: #463 iossarian
So why can’t the Indians immigrate? I’m sure they’d love to.
Because I am standing onshore with my Anti-Indian device. I’m that guy on the beach dressed like a Ghostbuster.
470 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:16:33am |
re: #456 Killgore Trout
He Hates Gandhi too.
Well. There you go then. I made my point rather clearly then. You admire a self proclaimed Marxist.
471 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:16:40am |
re: #467 ggt
Salesmen are a different breed. It is grueling work, IMHO. I can do it, but burn out real fast. Salesmen thrive in their environment doing what they do.
You have to have real thick skin and a very short memory
Never take the rejection personal!
472 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:17:32am |
re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Because I am standing onshore with my Anti-Indian device. I’m that guy on the beach dressed like a Ghostbuster.
Ha. But seriously, why not let someone come over here and do your job better for less?
The economy would be more efficient that way. Fewer barriers to growth and profit etc.
473 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:17:37am |
re: #470 Gus 802
Well. There you go then. I made my point rather clearly then. You admire a self proclaimed Marxist.
Kilgore was talking about the guy in the video, not Hitchens (re: Gandhi)
474 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:17:44am |
re: #467 ggt
Salesmen are a different breed. It is grueling work, IMHO. I can do it, but burn out real fast. Salesmen thrive in their environment doing what they do.
My only sales experience was retail for a few months. It…wasn’t a good fit, to say the least. It probably didn’t help that I’m naturally skeptical and find it hard to state things I’m not actually convinced of, which in electronics retail seems to be a tiny bit of a problem.
475 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:18:04am |
476 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:18:49am |
re: #471 sattv4u2
You have to have real thick skin and a very short memory
Never take the rejection personal!
It’s not the rejection that gets me, it’s the constant, 24/7/365 pressure to make the money. Month after month after month. Call, follow-up, research, deal with assholes you don’t like, internal selling once you actually have the sale, the constant petting of ruffled feathers—geez—I might as well be a stay-at-home mom for all the drama.
477 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:18:57am |
re: #471 sattv4u2
You have to have real thick skin and a very short memory
Never take the rejection personal!
And when there’s a problem with the order never react to the blasting you get from your customer, hand it off to a supervisor! Had to learn that one the really hard way! *shudder*
478 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:19:03am |
re: #473 sattv4u2
Kilgore was talking about the guy in the video, not Hitchens (re: Gandhi)
I realize that. But how can one claim to be anti-Marxist as he’s been doing for the past three weeks yet display an avatar of a known and self-admitted Marxist at the same time?
479 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:19:19am |
re: #472 iossarian
Ha. But seriously, why not let someone come over here and do your job better for less?
The economy would be more efficient that way. Fewer barriers to growth and profit etc.
HOLD THE WEDDING!!
There aren’t any people here from India working? (or any other country on earth?)
I did not know that!
FAT BASTARD,, you’re doing a helluva job standing onshore with your Anti-Indian device
480 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:19:21am |
re: #468 000G
Paradoxically, demonstrating that kind of sentiment actually creates public support for Marxists.
People should be careful about gloating.
I said something similar the other day.
Had the woman not been gratuitously maced, nobody would know a damn thing about any “OWS”.
Their stupid gloating is what put it on the map. They might have learned that from the dogs/waterhoses against nonviolent civil rights protesters, blaring across the televisions of the world in the 60s.
But they never learn anything, not even from their own dumb history.
481 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:19:29am |
re: #468 000G
Well, sure. Historically, committed anti-Marxists who wore their anti-Marxism on their sleeve were hardly better than their avowed foes.
482 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:04am |
re: #456 Killgore Trout
He Hates Gandhi too.
lol
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
Is there anyone Hitchens doesn’t hate, except Trotsky?
483 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:20am |
re: #473 sattv4u2
Kilgore was talking about the guy in the video, not Hitchens (re: Gandhi)
Do you know who that guy is?
Kilgore doesn’t seem to.
484 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:39am |
485 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:42am |
re: #462 Obdicut
Ascribing profit to an individual in a company is a very hard thing to do. Maybe not theoretically impossible, but in practice I don’t think you can do it, except in some very specific cases (e.g., one-man businesses or very small companies).
I mean, selling X goods at Y profit while being paid a salary Z is not nearly enough information. The profit you “generated” is only enabled by the existence of the goods in the first place.
486 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:21:40am |
For example:
Chuck Yeager, my personal hero, performed a huge number of test flights as a US Air Force pilot. Meanwhile, commercial pilots were compensated hugely, in the realm of millions over a few years, for similar flights.
Yeager was paid about a 100th what they were. Because he was part of the military, he regarded it as his duty. He could have quit and gone to work for them, but he didn’t, because of his sense of duty.
The level of compensation someone receives is no measure of their worth. We have an economy that values some vices over virtues. But we all know that, and none of us can change it over night. In the meantime, feeling guilty about what you’re paid— if you know you’re still worth it, if you’re bringing more value to the company than you’re costing them— is silly. It’s just the system we’re in.
Do what you can to make the lives of your fellow workers comfortable, stick up for them, too.
Geez, now I’m remembering the douchebag who thought it’d be funny at the company meeting to sing a song making fun of the girl who cleaned the toilets. What an asshole. I told him I thought he was a prick.
487 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:21:50am |
re: #483 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Do you know who that guy is?
Kilgore doesn’t seem to.
He knows who Hitchens is. And back in the day when Hitchens was with The Nation he was quite the radical.
488 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:21:58am |
re: #481 Sergey Romanov
Well, sure. Historically, committed anti-Marxists who wore their anti-Marxism on their sleeve were hardly better than their avowed foes.
I know. But it takes more than the usual display of that sentiment to get the larger public come to that conclusion as well.
Communism & Anti-Communism are ideological twins.
489 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:22:41am |
re: #474 Simply Sarah
My only sales experience was retail for a few months. It…wasn’t a good fit, to say the least. It probably didn’t help that I’m naturally skeptical and find it hard to state things I’m not actually convinced of, which in electronics retail seems to be a tiny bit of a problem.
I actually prefer retail sales. The customer walks in and walks out and is out of your life until they walk back in. Your drawer balances, you go home. done.
Being a manufacturers rep or working a MLM ——it never ends. You dream about the product. At least I do.
490 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:23:15am |
re: #485 iossarian
The profit you “generated” is only enabled by the existence of the goods in the first place.
And FBV acknowledged that
But those goods don’t move without a great sales force, and great salespeople in some industries are very hard to come by,, SO ,, they are worth their proverbial weight in gold
I’ve had salespeople work for me. Some were great, others, not so much
491 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:23:22am |
re: #488 000G
I kinda agree with that last sentiment, and I consider myself an anti-Communist.
492 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:23:22am |
re: #487 Gus 802
Ok, but we’re supposed to be clutching pearls at the guy in the video.
I’m just trying to find out who today’s Emmanuel Goldstein is. /
493 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:24:05am |
re: #492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ok, but we’re supposed to be clutching pearls at the guy in the video.
I’m just trying to find out who today’s Emmanuel Goldstein is. /
OK, let me go look…
494 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:24:18am |
re: #489 ggt
I actually prefer retail sales. The customer walks in and walks out and is out of your life until they walk back in. Your drawer balances, you go home. done.
Being a manufacturers rep or working a MLM —-it never ends. You dream about the product. At least I do.
Oh, I’m sure retail, or at least most retail, is easier/simplier. I’m mostly pointing out that I couldn’t even handle *that*, never mind the more stressful and complicated sales world outside of it. x_x
495 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:24:26am |
re: #464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Do you know who the guy in your #376 is?
No, but judging from the related videos on the sidebar he’s probably a loon from Answer (the organizer of the event)
Maoist Professor Dennis Loo at Occupy L.A.
496 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:25:55am |
re: #485 iossarian
Ascribing profit to an individual in a company is a very hard thing to do. Maybe not theoretically impossible, but in practice I don’t think you can do it, except in some very specific cases (e.g., one-man businesses or very small companies).
I mean, selling X goods at Y profit while being paid a salary Z is not nearly enough information. The profit you “generated” is only enabled by the existence of the goods in the first place.
Sure. So in the end, none of us deserve any money because the inherent costs of the energy use means that we’re basically just adding to the entropy of the world. There’s no actual profit being made by anything other than CO2 neutral-or-better products.
Maybe FBV does a great job selling stuff but then all the pieces are defective and they have to be replaced. Did he produce any profit then? No. Does he deserve consequently less money? No, obviously.
It’s a mistake to get too clever with mixing together our economic reality with a desire for economic equality.
497 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:26:27am |
re: #483 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Do you know who that guy is?
Kilgore doesn’t seem to.
Here is another video of that idiot.
498 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:26:31am |
re: #495 Killgore Trout
Well now. If you can’t tell us exactly who is is and what his entire history is anything he says in the clip you linked is immaterial!
//
((and here, I was having a nice day off))
(((think I’ll go tackle the honey do list so I can get some rest!!)))
499 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:26:57am |
re: #492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ok, but we’re supposed to be clutching pearls at the guy in the video.
I’m just trying to find out who today’s Emmanuel Goldstein is. /
Oh. I see. Some “Marxist” loon speaking on the sidelines hooked up to what appears to be a PA system on a shopping cart.
This is a great threat to America. Obviously. These people have never been seen before until now! ;)
500 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:27:33am |
re: #496 Obdicut
It’s a mistake to get too clever with mixing together our economic reality with a desire for economic equality
You know I’m stealing that, right??
501 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:27:53am |
re: #496 Obdicut
Sure. So in the end, none of us deserve any money because the inherent costs of the energy use means that we’re basically just adding to the entropy of the world. There’s no actual profit being made by anything other than CO2 neutral-or-better products.
Maybe FBV does a great job selling stuff but then all the pieces are defective and they have to be replaced. Did he produce any profit then? No. Does he deserve consequently less money? No, obviously.
It’s a mistake to get too clever with mixing together our economic reality with a desire for economic equality.
Exactly, a salesperson can work for YEARS on one sale and if the invoice doesn’t get paid, neither does the salesperson.
502 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:27:59am |
re: #291 RogueOne
Mr. Luis Dobermann created Dobermans.
[Link: www.dobermanhub.com…]
Dobermans are why God invented the .357 magnum.
503 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:28:10am |
re: #498 sattv4u2
Well now. If you can’t tell us exactly who is is and what his entire history is anything he says in the clip you linked is immaterial!
//
Incorrect.
Nobody has to take anyone’s word on anything here. That includes flinging around terms at people it may or may not apply to.
Get used to it, satt. I’m not going to stop doing it.
504 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:28:21am |
505 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:28:55am |
506 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:29:21am |
re: #503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Incorrect.
Nobody has to take anyone’s word on anything here. That includes flinging around terms at people it may or may not apply to.
Get used to it, satt. I’m not going to stop doing it.
Like confederates,, and dumb cons??
Got it!
507 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:29:33am |
re: #489 ggt
I actually prefer retail sales. The customer walks in and walks out and is out of your life until they walk back in. Your drawer balances, you go home. done.
Being a manufacturers rep or working a MLM —-it never ends. You dream about the product. At least I do.
Not in my chosen industry! I would NEVER EVER work retail again! I did it for two weeks and UGH! The general public needs to have everything explained to them and then the love to argue with you that that can’t be right because they never heard of such a thing before so it just can’t be true! Give me wholesale every time! *shudder*
508 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:29:44am |
re: #491 Sergey Romanov
I kinda agree with that last sentiment, and I consider myself an anti-Communist.
As far as that question goes, I consider myself an atheist.
509 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:30:04am |
re: #497 NJDhockeyfan
Here is another video of that idiot.
[Video]
Thank you.
I see they don’t use the human microphone ((human microphone)) there.
Or do they. Hard to tell, I guess.
510 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:30:05am |
511 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:30:36am |
John Birch Society Version 3.1re: #506 sattv4u2
Like confederates,, and dumb cons??
Got it!
Hey. The difference is that Confederates and dumb cons still get to become governors and sometimes president. ;)
512 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:31:11am |
re: #507 Dragon_Lady
Not in my chosen industry! I would NEVER EVER work retail again! I did it for two weeks and UGH! The general public needs to have everything explained to them and then the love to argue with you that that can’t be right because they never heard of such a thing before so it just can’t be true! Give me wholesale every time! *shudder*
nah, you just have to know how to deal with them …general public is pretty easy.
513 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:31:15am |
re: #500 sattv4u2
It’s a mistake to get too clever with mixing together our economic reality with a desire for economic equalityYou know I’m stealing that, right??
I doubt when you say it you’ll mean anything close to what i was saying but if it makes you feel good, go ahead.
515 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:31:28am |
re: #486 Obdicut
Air Force is a good example of public/corporate overvaluation of the merit of individual activities. Take German Pilots in WWI, for example. Vastly overblown propaganda image. So, in that case, the overvaluation itself was valuable, not the actitivies it lauded.
516 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:31:39am |
re: #511 Gus 802
John Birch Society Version 3.1
Hey. The difference is that Confederates and dumb cons still get to become governors and sometimes president. ;)
Bush and Clinton?
///
517 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:32:04am |
re: #513 Obdicut
I doubt when you say it you’ll mean anything close to what i was saying but if it makes you feel good, go ahead.
Your “doubt” is unfounded, but thanks for the permission slip!
518 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:32:16am |
re: #512 ggt
nah, you just have to know how to deal with them …general public is pretty easy.
I will say it’s much easier since I’ve become a mom. Something about the authority you acquire —and the ability to deliver it with sugar …
519 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:33:24am |
520 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:34:00am |
re: #506 sattv4u2
Like confederates,, and dumb cons??
Or other general terms you don’t object to, like moonbats or violent radical leftists, or etc etc etc
No, I’m not going to stop using “confederates” and “dumb cons” when confederates and dumb cons do stupid stuff.
Learn to love it.
521 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:34:10am |
OMG…this is the funniest fucking video yet.
The description:
At the Occupy Los Angeles gathering at City Hall hundreds gathered under the trees to listen as participant took turns giving speeches and reading poetry. This young man shared an “abstract anarchist” poem about festering sores in his crotch.
Enjoy…
522 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:34:27am |
523 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:34:39am |
524 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:35:08am |
re: #514 Gus 802
Welcome to the Wednesday morning poo fling.
//
Wednesday poo-flinging! How will we tell the difference from any other day? /
525 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36:08am |
re: #524 iceweasel
Wednesday poo-flinging! How will we tell the difference from any other day? /
Occupy the poor! Eat the poor! Why there are Marxists everywhere it’s making my heads teh spin.
//
What’s up?
526 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36:45am |
re: #511 Gus 802
John Birch Society Version 3.1
Hey. The difference is that Confederates and dumb cons still get to become governors and sometimes president. ;)
And that’s real, actual neo-Confederates these people put in office, not even my silly throwaway epithet.
But hold on a minute, some hurt-feelings conservative is going to yell “democrat party” at you, soon. You can set your watch by it.
527 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:37:00am |
re: #524 iceweasel
Wednesday poo-flinging (Wednesday poo-flinging) ! How will we tell ( How will we tell ) the difference from (the difference from ) any other day? (any other day)? //
wiggles fingers over head!!
/
528 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:37:13am |
529 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:37:14am |
re: #496 Obdicut
It’s interesting that you use the word “deserve” in the context of salary, since that’s really my point.
FBV works hard, 8 hours a day.
Truck unloader works hard, 8 hours a day.
Why is FBV paid more than truck unloader? Does he “deserve” it? Or is it just an accident of fate that has put him in a position that is more highly paid?
Does the fact that fewer people are able to do FBV’s job make him more “deserving” of receiving money for doing it?
That’s the faulty reasoning in my view - the link that people draw between economic facts (scarcity of skilled labor) and ethical judgements (salespeople “deserve” to be paid more than truck unloaders).
530 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:37:19am |
re: #512 ggt
nah, you just have to know how to deal with them …general public is pretty easy.
Not when it comes to large amounts of money spent on an engagement ring they aren’t! I’m talking about the jewelry industry. I got screamed at for sizing a white gold ring that was rhodium plated to make it white again and when the yellow of the gold shown trough, she refused to let us re-plate it saying it wasn’t plated in the first place! I RUINED her ring! All white gold, with a very few exceptions, is rhodium plated. There’s no such thing as a white gold mine!
531 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:37:37am |
532 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:38:40am |
533 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:37am |
re: #532 sattv4u2
Hey ,,,
Hey!
I only see the middle ones!!
I only see the middle ones!
WTF!!!
WTF!
Mic check, mic check…
534 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:49am |
re: #530 Dragon_Lady
Not when it comes to large amounts of money spent on an engagement ring they aren’t! I’m talking about the jewelry industry. I got screamed at for sizing a white gold ring that was rhodium plated to make it white again and when the yellow of the gold shown trough, she refused to let us re-plate it saying it wasn’t plated in the first place! I RUINED her ring! All white gold, with a very few exceptions, is rhodium plated. There’s no such thing as a white gold mine!
oh no, I want nothing to do with the wedding industry —no thank you!
535 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:58am |
re: #529 iossarian
Why is FBV paid more than truck unloader? Does he “deserve” it? Or is it just an accident of fate that has put him in a position that is more highly paid?
Both. He deserves it from the rules of the economy that we’re in, since his skill is rarer. And it really is, it’s not like CEOs, who are rather interchangeable.
It’s also an ‘accident’ of fate that that’s how our society is organized.
That’s the faulty reasoning in my view - the link that people draw between economic facts (scarcity of skilled labor) and ethical judgements (salespeople “deserve” to be paid more than truck unloaders).
I think you’re the one conflating the ethical and economic judgements. I didn’t read any FBV’s comments as noting anything other than the economics of it.
536 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:40:07am |
re: #524 iceweasel
Wednesday poo-flinging! How will we tell the difference from any other day? /
Hi Ice! Happy Wednesday! Hows your other half doing?
537 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:40:39am |
re: #525 Gus 802
Occupy the poor! Eat the poor! Why there are Marxists everywhere it’s making my heads teh spin.
//
What’s up?
Not much. Trying to figure out if there’s a way to make decent Tex Mex in this country. Taking some time out to fling some poo. ;) How’s by you?
538 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:40:46am |
re: #486 Obdicut
There’s respect for people in the workplace and there is corporate value. Those are two different things.
539 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:40:51am |
re: #536 Dragon_Lady
Hi Ice! Happy Wednesday! Hows your other half doing?
Other half of what!?!?
umm,,,nevahmind! This is a family blog!!
:)
//
540 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:41:33am |
Sad story: I was reading something about #occupyPortland here and suddenly I understood what the next Hipster Hitler comic should be.
541 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:41:41am |
America still clings, often subconsciously to the Calvinistic notion that wealth is an “outward sign of inner grace”. We still believe against all evidence that people who are wealthy are somehow morally superior to the rest of us 99%
As it was pointed out upthread, it is possible at best to only estimate a particular individual’s share of a company’s profits. But we have decided that salary is some sort of objective hierarchy and that our CEO’s are just hundreds and hundreds of times more useful than their underlings.
We had the Best and Brightest running our investment banks and Wall Street. Or perhaps not, perhaps we should have paid them more and they would have been more motivated to do a better job…
542 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:41:56am |
re: #537 iceweasel
Not much. Trying to figure out if there’s a way to make decent Tex Mex in this country. Taking some time out to fling some poo. ;) How’s by you?
Well, 1st ya gotta get yourself a half a pound of tex, then a half a pound of mex ,, then ,,,,
543 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:43:13am |
re: #529 iossarian
To put it simply: FBV’s employers are making profit off of his actions. At the end of the chain, somewhere, you have the actual capitalist, who’s making money from doing no useful labor at all.
I have no idea why you’re focusing on FBV as a bad guy in this, for being able to correctly identify where he is in this economic hierarchy.
Whatever FBV makes, it’s only a portion of what his labor is actually worth. So he’s really in the same position as the janitor is. He is a working schlub too. A marginally privileged one.
544 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:43:17am |
re: #529 iossarian
Why is FBV paid more than truck unloader? Does he “deserve” it? Or is it just an accident of fate that has put him in a position that is more highly paid?
Does it help your shitty opinion of me to know that I started my career by unloading trucks?
Oh, I don’t care what you think. It’s cool.
545 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:43:53am |
re: #534 ggt
oh no, I want nothing to do with the wedding industry —no thank you!
Uh huh, that’s what I thought you’d say. I did the wholesale customer service and sales thing for over 20 years and my customers never needed a detailed explanation cause they already knew what they were doing or buying. My retail career lasted for an very brief (thank the good Lord) two weeks. It was a relief when I quite that job.
546 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:04am |
re: #537 iceweasel
Not much. Trying to figure out if there’s a way to make decent Tex Mex in this country. Taking some time out to fling some poo. ;) How’s by you?
Waking up still. Flinging some poo as well since it’s so much fun. Might be time to make some more Marxist-flavored coffee.
547 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:26am |
re: #535 Obdicut
Oh, OK. I think we’re into a “meaning of words” argument to some extent. For me, “deserve” has a clear ethical sense. I wouldn’t say someone “deserves” something based on the rules of an economy, I would say the rules of the economy “determine their income” or something like that.
Of course, people are free to use words how they want, but that’s what it means to me.
I do think that it’s implicit in FBV’s comment that the current situation (where some people are paid vastly more than others for equal amounts of work) is acceptable (or, to be more explicit, “good”), which is again an ethical position to take.
548 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:51am |
re: #536 Dragon_Lady
Hi Ice! Happy Wednesday! Hows your other half doing?
hey DL! Good to see you! hope you’re feeling well. Jimmah’s at work and battling a cold or flu thing that just keeps hanging on. How are you and your honey?
549 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:45:08am |
re: #545 Dragon_Lady
Uh huh, that’s what I thought you’d say. I did the wholesale customer service and sales thing for over 20 years and my customers never needed a detailed explanation cause they already knew what they were doing or buying. My retail career lasted for an very brief (thank the good Lord) two weeks. It was a relief when I quite that job.
Considering I didn’t even want a wedding of my own —I can’t stand the whole thing. Too much drama for me.
550 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:46:10am |
re: #549 ggt
Considering I didn’t even want a wedding of my own —I can’t stand the whole thing. Too much drama for me.
Some people are made for it. I have one customer who works selling Wedding gowns—fittings and all the BS —she loves it.
551 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:46:30am |
re: #539 sattv4u2
Other half of what!?!?
umm,,,nevahmind! This is a family blog!!
:)
//
You is sooo funny! BTW, whose family? We gots kids readin this? Who? Where? Huh? //
552 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:46:39am |
re: #547 iossarian
Well, I think that a mixed economy is superior to a command economy in terms of efficient distribution. Are you in favor of a command economy?
553 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:46:40am |
re: #546 Gus 802
Waking up still. Flinging some poo as well since it’s so much fun. Might be time to make some more Marxist-flavored coffee.
You can have both at the same time and be an elitist too!
554 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:47:02am |
re: #551 Dragon_Lady
You is sooo funny! BTW, whose family? We gots kids readin this? Who? Where? Huh? //
Ya never know!!
“They” have eyes EVERYWHERE!!!!
555 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:48:33am |
re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Does it help your shitty opinion of me to know that I started my career by unloading trucks?
Oh, I don’t care what you think. It’s cool.
I don’t have a shitty opinion of you. I do think that it’s wrong to support an economic system in which some people work as hard as they can and are still unable to provide for themselves and their families: effectively economy slavery.
I read your earlier comments about your value to your company as being at least partially supportive of such a system.
556 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:48:36am |
Speaking of sales —I have to go deposit my hubby’s expense check —which is 3 weeks late —another wonderful aspect of sales… . .
Have a great day all!
557 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:49:12am |
re: #548 iceweasel
hey DL! Good to see you! hope you’re feeling well. Jimmah’s at work and battling a cold or flu thing that just keeps hanging on. How are you and your honey?
RWC’s fine. I got stuck with a needle two weeks ago and found out I have to take thyroid meds for the rest of my life, other that that were both doing okay. How Scotland treating you? You like it there?
558 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:49:53am |
re: #549 ggt
Considering I didn’t even want a wedding of my own —I can’t stand the whole thing. Too much drama for me.
The receptions can be fun to DJ, though.
Last one I did was my bff’s sisters. Was a bit difficult because my dad had just gone [back] into hospice. But that was a fun reception, must say.
559 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:50:13am |
re: #521 NJDhockeyfan
OMG…this is the funniest fucking video yet.
The description:
Enjoy…
[Video]
No that’s the makings of a serious political movement.
560 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:51:17am |
re: #552 Obdicut
Well, I think that a mixed economy is superior to a command economy in terms of efficient distribution. Are you in favor of a command economy?
I’m in support of whatever it takes to prevent a very small number of very wealthy people further consolidating their wealth and political influence in the US.
But of course, assuming that we still have functioning democracy, I would agree with you that a Northern Europe-style mixed economy looks like the current societal optimum.
561 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:51:34am |
563 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:52:16am |
re: #557 Dragon_Lady
RWC’s fine. I got stuck with a needle two weeks ago and found out I have to take thyroid meds for the rest of my life, other that that were both doing okay. How Scotland treating you? You like it there?
Scotland’s great! Homesick for nyc though at times.Thanks for asking.
Sorry to hear about the needle. I hope the meds are easy on you. Give our love to RWC— been a while since I’ve been on at the same time as him— or you!
564 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:52:25am |
re: #554 sattv4u2
Ya never know!!
“They” have eyes EVERYWHERE!!!
Feeling a bit on the paranoid side today are we? Just don’t type anything that can get you looked at and you’ll be fine. Me? I’m just a typical boring type of person. As long as my Honey Do List gets done its all SSDD around here. LOL!
566 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:54:07am |
re: #529 iossarian
I’m being a prick. I just thought of a story.
A famous organist went to a church to give a concert. A young man had to pump the baffles to provide the air that made the organ work. At intermission the organist stood to bask in the applause only to look over and see the young man standing beside him also taking a bow.
He told the young man that they were not there to applaud him, and sent the young man back under the stage.
At the beginning of the second half of the concert. The organist was surprised when he hit the keys and no sound came out. He looked under the stage to find the young man sitting with his arms folded refusing to pump the baffles.
The moral of the story?
They didn’t come to see the young man, they came to see the famous organist. Then an electric baffling system was invented so even a machine could do the little prick’s job and wouldn’t complain.
567 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:54:34am |
re: #560 iossarian
Well, a mixed economy is always going to have people who are paid vastly more money for equal amounts of work. So you support that too, if you support the idea of an mixed economy.
The ultra-wealthy are not that way because of their work. They are mostly there from being capitalists. Even those who, like Bill Gates, were vital in the success of their company, profited from it mainly as a capitalist.
So if you want to focus your rage on who’s making the most for the least amount of work, have a look over there. Workers solidarity includes accepting that some roles will get paid more than another, but that doesn’t break the bonds between us as workers.
568 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:01am |
re: #563 iceweasel
Scotland’s great! Homesick for nyc though at times.Thanks for asking.
Sorry to hear about the needle. I hope the meds are easy on you. Give our love to RWC— been a while since I’ve been on at the same time as him— or you!
Oh, he’ll be around quite soon I think. Stick around and you’ll get to say hi. I’ll open up my email address, send us some pictures of Scotland would you? I’d love to get over there someday…
569 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:06am |
re: #562 Gus 802
Oh brudder.
All this pavlovian slobbering over the word “marxism” …rotfl
Really enjoyed your posts the other morning re: evil marxism and the Civil Rights movement, in case you couldn’t tell.
570 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:07am |
re: #563 iceweasel
Homesick for nyc though at times
How bout we send you a pastrami on rye Katzs Deli and one of these Image: 0428455336051R_300x400.jpg and a tape of cabbies arguing over a fare??
571 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:17am |
Good times…
Ayers Has Not Left Radicalism Behind - His deep ties Chavez and rising radicalism in Latin America
Bill Ayers isn’t out bombing anymore, but he has never stopped being a radical. His ties to hostile Marxist regimes remain, raising more questions about Barack Obama’s refusal to fully repudiate him.
…But a look at Ayers’ whole life suggests he hasn’t changed much more than his tactics. He’s still the same radical he always was…
572 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:35am |
Here’s a nice surprise….
Underwear Bomber Pleads Guilty
574 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:56:33am |
re: #573 iceweasel
Wow. Some entertaining stuff in that old thread!
I’m laughing. Good thing too. ;) There’s some pretty embarrassing stuff out there.
575 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:56:44am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
Here’s a nice surprise…
Underwear Bomber Pleads Guilty
Off to Colorado he goes!!!!
576 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:56:54am |
re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(That wasn’t the real moral of the story, but was my take-away)
577 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:57:15am |
News of note:
Underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab enters guilty plea on 8 counts of terrorism related to his attempt to blow up a plane on Christmas day using explosives sewn into his underwear.
More details emerge on the Hamas-Israel swap to secure the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. None of the details bode well for Israel’s long term security. Not only does the initial batch of Palestinian terrorists release have the blood of 599 Israelis on their hands, but the Hamas bigwigs continue their refusal to accept Israel’s existence and use this deal as proof that they’re in it to win it (Israel’s elimination). Israel apparently signed off on the deal because key members of Israel’s defense/intel establishment have changed and now believe that the deal wont change Israel’s security posture - adding another 200 terrorists to the 20,000 strong Hamas brigades wont change matters; the terrorists aren’t going to end up in the West Bank apparently.
I still have a bad feeling about this.
578 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:57:31am |
579 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:58:47am |
580 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:00:22am |
re: #573 iceweasel
Wow. Some entertaining stuff in that old thread!
Ah, old LGF. Many on the left still unwittingly think this is a Den of Ebil. The trauma!
581 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:01:46am |
re: #563 iceweasel
Scotland’s great! Homesick for nyc though at times.Thanks for asking.
Sorry to hear about the needle. I hope the meds are easy on you. Give our love to RWC— been a while since I’ve been on at the same time as him— or you!
I just looked, RWC’s logged in and I just sent him a text. He’s gonna pop in in a moment.
582 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:01:47am |
re: #567 Obdicut
Well, a mixed economy is always going to have people who are paid vastly more money for equal amounts of work. So you support that too, if you support the idea of an mixed economy.
Depends on the multiplier value of “vastly more”, and also conditional on pre-tax vs. after-tax income distinctions.
So if you want to focus your rage on who’s making the most for the least amount of work, have a look over there. Workers solidarity includes accepting that some roles will get paid more than another, but that doesn’t break the bonds between us as workers.
Again true with the caveat that the current situation in the US has in part come about, in my opinion, because the working left was not able to prevent the capitalist class from creating a non-union workforce (via “right-to-work” laws amongst other tactics), and subsequently did not do enough to retain solidarity with that workforce.
If I was a non-union factory laborer working for $7 an hour, I’d find it hard to feel solidarity with a political movement supported by people doing the same job as me for $20 and hour (and benefits).
583 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:00am |
re: #580 Sergey Romanov
Ah, old LGF. Many on the left still unwittingly think this is a Den of Ebil. The trauma!
When I was a kid, we had a parlor we weren’t allowed in
Furniture still had the plastic coverings on it unless someone special was visiting,,, does that count??
584 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:02am |
Underwear bomber?
My heart goes out to the bomb.
585 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:46am |
re: #583 sattv4u2
Add some cultic chants and you’re all set.
586 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:57am |
re: #563 iceweasel
Scotland’s great! Homesick for nyc though at times.Thanks for asking.
Sorry to hear about the needle. I hope the meds are easy on you. Give our love to RWC— been a while since I’ve been on at the same time as him— or you!
Hello Ice!
Good to see all is well with you two. I can understand missing NYC. I’d miss my LA if I flew off.
587 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:58am |
re: #580 Sergey Romanov
Ah, old LGF. Many on the left still unwittingly think this is a Den of Ebil. The trauma!
Nobody’s perfect.
//
588 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:10am |
re: #541 ralphieboy
America still clings, often subconsciously to the Calvinistic notion that wealth is an “outward sign of inner grace”. We still believe against all evidence that people who are wealthy are somehow morally superior to the rest of us 99%
Some believe that, anyway. The moral superiority of job creators rich conservatives is a myth, believed only by them and their admirers. Those are some of the biggest unethical sociopaths and rewarders of failure, around.
589 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:33am |
re: #585 Sergey Romanov
Add some cultic chants and you’re all set.
That would have been mom
“KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU”
590 | iossarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:38am |
re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They didn’t come to see the young man, they came to see the famous organist. Then an electric baffling system was invented so even a machine could do the little prick’s job and wouldn’t complain.
The next time the organist came to town, no-one came to the concert. They couldn’t afford to because the mill had been closed and the work outsourced to Thailand.
591 | Dante41 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:44am |
Mornin’ Lizards.
For those who have been following that container ship run aground off of New Zealand, the weather is still worsening, and the ship is starting to break up.
Ugh, Bunker-C and beaches do not mix well.
592 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:02am |
593 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:05am |
re: #589 sattv4u2
That would have been mom
“KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU
KIDS, ,, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU”
Say, did your mom have any Marxist leanings? /
595 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:53am |
re: #593 Sergey Romanov
Say, did your mom have any Marxist leanings? /
Chico was her favorite
I preferred Groucho!
596 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:05:07am |
re: #593 Sergey Romanov
Say, did your mom have any Marxist leanings? /
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party and/or its affiliates?
//
597 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:05:19am |
re: #586 Rightwingconspirator
Hello Ice!
Good to see all is well with you two. I can understand missing NYC. I’d miss my LA if I flew off.
Hey, good to see you! Was just saying hi to your Lady. :) What’s new?
598 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:05:28am |
599 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:05:29am |
re: #586 Rightwingconspirator
Hello Ice!
Good to see all is well with you two. I can understand missing NYC. I’d miss my LA if I flew off.
Really? I wouldn’t. Not much anyway. Miss LA if we moved away I mean. Too many people not enough trees and animals for my taste, but that’s just me I guess.
600 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:06:45am |
601 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:06:50am |
re: #577 lawhawk
News of note:
Underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab enters guilty plea on 8 counts of terrorism related to his attempt to blow up a plane on Christmas day using explosives sewn into his underwear.
More details emerge on the Hamas-Israel swap to secure the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. None of the details bode well for Israel’s long term security. Not only does the initial batch of Palestinian terrorists release have the blood of 599 Israelis on their hands, but the Hamas bigwigs continue their refusal to accept Israel’s existence and use this deal as proof that they’re in it to win it (Israel’s elimination). Israel apparently signed off on the deal because key members of Israel’s defense/intel establishment have changed and now believe that the deal wont change Israel’s security posture - adding another 200 terrorists to the 20,000 strong Hamas brigades wont change matters; the terrorists aren’t going to end up in the West Bank apparently.
I still have a bad feeling about this.
I can’t breathe easy until I know that Gilad is still alive.
It was also very disgusting reading the comments at Huffpost and Haaretz.
603 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:07:11am |
re: #567 Obdicut
In the USSR, The Party elite did not earn significantly more than their underlings (at least by modern US standards), they simply had access to perks and priveleges that few outside the party could ever attain.
But these folks had the sense to keep low-key about it and not rub their perks and wealth in the people’s faces.
Our society is all about rubbing one’s wealth in others’ faces, and it has come to generate a lot of social tension. Especially in modern Russia, where the nouveau riche love to flaunt their wealth.
604 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:07:22am |
re: #594 iceweasel
Heh. Found a comment by Jimmah.
We have a deal where I’m not supposed to look at the stuff he wrote when he first joined and was in a wingnutty phase.
Ha, “performativeness”. Never heard of that one. “Performativity”, yes. But not the other one.
And he’s right, about “performativity”, at least. It is indeed another universe.
605 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:08:33am |
k Kiddies
Just went to look and DAMMIT, the chores and errands didn’t do themselves
SO,, off to it
606 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:08:48am |
607 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:08:57am |
re: #602 Gus 802
Ready for terror?
Warning: Contains a man’s butt at the end, being beaten with a flyswatter.
608 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:09:09am |
Today’s hippie beating video….
#OccupySF - Police Violence - 2011-10-05
Looks like the guy tried to ignite a device of some kind. Probably a road flare or fire work.
609 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:09:22am |
re: #597 iceweasel
Hey, good to see you! Was just saying hi to your Lady. :) What’s new?
Been busy working, our little media company is getting some work. D_L is getting better with the DSLR’s. Life is good. Working on a little short film with Leftwingconspirator.
610 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:09:25am |
re: #605 sattv4u2
k Kiddies
Just went to look and DAMMIT, the chores and errands didn’t do themselves
SO,, off to it
Maybe next time.
611 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:09:26am |
re: #603 ralphieboy
Like that asshole with the miniature pet giraffe?
613 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:10:11am |
re: #600 Sergey Romanov
But you do peek, right? We won’t tell him!!1
Well, when it’s relevant, like Gus linking an old thread or something…I don’t go looking though!
614 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:10:25am |
The Washington Post thinks they identified the restaurant the bomber’s were going to hit…
Iranian plot may have involved ambassador’s favorite restaurant. Cafe Milano?
The alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador was rich with Hollywood-like details, down to the setting — a Washington restaurant crowded with power players.
Hmmm, where? Justice officials did not ID an eatery — and said there never was a specific restaurant. But they describe the suspect Mansour Arbabsiar allegedly talking with a DEA informant about bombing a restaurant Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir dines at regularly, and that he didn’t mind if bystanders died — including any U.S. senators in the vicinity.
Whoa, sounds like Café Milano!
How concerned would you be going to your job now if you worked there?
615 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:10:31am |
re: #599 Dragon_Lady
Given a little time I think ya would miss it.
616 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:06am |
re: #609 Rightwingconspirator
Been busy working, our little media company is getting some work. D_L is getting better with the DSLR’s. Life is good. Working on a little short film with Leftwingconspirator.
Cool! Good luck! I’m excited about your film. :) Can we ask what it’s about or are you keeping it secret?
617 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:36am |
re: #614 NJDhockeyfan
The Washington Post thinks they identified the restaurant the bomber’s were going to hit…
Iranian plot may have involved ambassador’s favorite restaurant. Cafe Milano?
How concerned would you be going to your job now if you worked there?
I’d be happy just to have a job.:)
618 | Dante41 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:45am |
Also: Running aground on a charted reef right outside of a port is an exercise in stupidity that you don’t see very often.
619 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:54am |
re: #603 ralphieboy
Saw a comedian riffing on “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous“‘s Robin Leach saying,
“The richest man in the world takes a bath in a champagne filled bathtub and laughs ‘HaHa!’”.
I’m sitting on the couch with no elastic in my shorts…”
620 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:54am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
Today’s hippie beating video…
#OccupySF - Police Violence - 2011-10-05[Video]Looks like the guy tried to ignite a device of some kind. Probably a road flare or fire work.
Yikes! I’m afraid that this is going to get worse.
621 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:12:50am |
re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Like that asshole with the miniature pet giraffe?
[Link: www.snorgtees.com…]
622 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:12:55am |
re: #620 NJDhockeyfan
Wake me when they start bringing guns to their rallies.
623 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:13:05am |
re: #615 Rightwingconspirator
Given a little time I think ya would miss it.
Mmmm. Maybe, I wouldn’t bet the farm on it though. Maybe some of the amenities I’d miss but the whacked out gang bangers and city politics not so much.
624 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:13:28am |
re: #620 NJDhockeyfan
Yikes! I’m afraid that this is going to get worse.
Maybe, It might sputter out as the weather gets colder.
625 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:13:50am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
Today’s hippie beating video…
#OccupySF - Police Violence - 2011-10-05[Video]Looks like the guy tried to ignite a device of some kind. Probably a road flare or fire work.
Hippie? Uh huh. So when do you start calling them “long hairs” and “pony tailed men”? Whatever.
626 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:14:23am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
[Video]Looks like the guy tried to ignite a device of some kind. Probably a road flare or fire work.
Now that you’ve found your masturbatory aid for today, where did you see an ignited device, road flare or fire work?
627 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:14:38am |
re: #625 Gus 802
Hippie? Uh huh. So when do you start calling them “long hairs” and “pony tailed men”? Whatever.
When they join militia groups and stockpiling weapons.
Oh, wait…
628 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:14:58am |
Dang it RWC the blasted orchid lights turned off again! I had to turn them on again with the “always on” switch. Gaugh! This timer’s gonna drive me nuts.
629 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:15:02am |
re: #625 Gus 802
Hippie? Uh huh. So when do you start calling them “long hairs” and “pony tailed men”? Whatever.
Even the women?
630 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:15:09am |
re: #616 iceweasel
Cool! Good luck! I’m excited about your film. :) Can we ask what it’s about or are you keeping it secret?
It will be registered at the writers guild shortly, so I can say it’s SciFi, really long on atmospheric science, with the fictional idea that lightning bolts live a “long” full life in that split second. A near encounter with a man on the ground reveals much to both.
631 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:15:47am |
re: #629 Simply Sarah
Even the women?
It’s a bit like an inside joke. You know, the whole “pony tail” meme from Andrew Breitbart.
632 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:16:24am |
re: #625 Gus 802
Hippie? Uh huh. So when do you start calling them “long hairs” and “pony tailed men”? Whatever.
Let your freak flag fly, man!
633 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:16:49am |
re: #631 Gus 802
It’s a bit like an inside joke. You know, the whole “pony tail” meme from Andrew Breitbart.
Yes, yes. You’re no fun. :(
634 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:17:11am |
re: #626 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Now that you’ve found your masturbatory aid for today, where did you see an ignited device, road flare or fire work?
The beating had nothing to do with the “road flare” if there even was one. It was the result of perhaps and it looks like it was after one of the protesters lightly pushed back one of the cops on the sidewalk.
635 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:17:21am |
636 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:18:08am |
637 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:18:28am |
re: #629 Simply Sarah
Even the women?
They’re still trying to figure out whether to call them fat ugly hairy-leg lesbians or attractive 20 year old girls*.
Depends on what kind of porn they want to jack off to that day, I guess.
*Oxymoron
638 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:19:48am |
re: #634 Gus 802
The beating had nothing to do with the “road flare” if there even was one. It was the result of perhaps and it looks like it was after one of the protesters lightly pushed back one of the cops on the sidewalk.
Dirty trust fund marxists had it coming! They were oogling other people’s private property!
SMASH THEIR HEAD INTO THE CONCRETE!
639 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:20:05am |
re: #636 Gus 802
Yeah. I’m an extremist.
//
So you claim, but I think you might actually be related to my friend Baron McNoFun.
641 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:20:32am |
re: #601 Alouette
I think he’s alive and his family will be grateful for finally having him back in their loving arms. It may be a matter of a week or so before that finally happens (the list of names of the terrorists being released will come on Sunday apparently). Shalit will be transferred to Egypt prior to handing him over to Israel.
This sad chapter can’t end soon enough, but I worry that another Israeli will soon take Shalit’s place. Hamas and other terror groups haven’t stopped such attempts. The security fence has made that a much more difficult task, but it could still happen again. It’s a concern that Israel’s defense establishment has to constantly deal with - and weigh the benefits of a swap for what Israel gets back in return.
One Israeli for 1,027 Palestinians.
One Israeli for 200+ terrorists responsible for 599 Israeli murders.
One Israeli for Hamas celebrations welcoming home terrorists with hundreds of life sentences commuted.
Hamas remains unrepentant over the whole episode and sees the deal as a sign of ongoing weakness.
Israeli leaders likely see this a sign of strength - that they can withstand the release of such terrorists and it wouldn’t alter the security calculus. I wonder whether they’d change their mind if and when one of the released terrorists murders still more Israelis.
642 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:22:00am |
re: #624 Killgore Trout
Well, a light rain is falling today, and the rain is expected to run into the weekend. That should put a damper on things for a bit - although the temps in NYC are likely to remain mild for the next week or so.
643 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:22:04am |
re: #635 Varek Raith
MACE HIM!
/
Using the spice, the chemical, or the physical device? And if the last should it be a practical or ceremonial version?
/
644 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:23:20am |
re: #634 Gus 802
The beating had nothing to do with the “road flare” if there even was one.
I saw what looked like embers from a cigarette. But that’s not as glamorous or scandalous as something violent, like an incendiary device .
So let’s claim the guy may have tried to light road flare or firework and leave off the possibility of it being a cigarette.
Or a mari-juana!!!
Cripes…
646 | Dante41 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:23:55am |
647 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:24:04am |
re: #641 lawhawk
Of course it’s a common meme for the Anti-Semites to claim “Jews always say that one Jew is worth 1000 Palestinians!” when in fact it was Hamas who set that equation.
648 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:24:18am |
re: #643 oaktree
Why quibble? Use em all - physical mace and chemical mace as tenderizer, and then sprinkle the spice as one roasts him over an open flame. / tasty ////
649 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:24:35am |
re: #639 Simply Sarah
So you claim, but I think you might actually be related to my friend Baron McNoFun.
Yeah. Well. After a while seeing someone cheering another “hippie” getting beaten by a cop gets a little old. Especially when it happens every 15 minutes. Seems a little excessive and obsessive to me. It’s getting old really fast and bordering on trolling.
650 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:25:38am |
re: #649 Gus 802
Yeah. Well. After a while seeing someone cheering another “hippie” getting beaten by a cop gets a little old. Especially when it happens every 15 minutes. Seems a little excessive and obsessive to me. It’s getting old really fast and bordering on trolling.
There’s a lot of people for whom hippie-punching never gets old, literally or figuratively.
651 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:26:38am |
Heh. Lefties on my Facebook page are saying that BoA was curbing people’s First Amendment rights by not letting them hold up a protest sign in their lobby.
I just posted,
“Experiment. Go into an Apple store tomorrow with an “RIP Steve Jobs” sign, or into Kroger with a “Kroger sells the best meat!” sign. See how long they let you stay and report back.”
From what I’ve seen? People who scream “First Amendment” the most, seem to be the farthest from actually understanding what it means.
652 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:26:45am |
re: #647 Alouette
Of course it’s a common meme for the Anti-Semites to claim “Jews always say that one Jew is worth 1000 Palestinians!” when in fact it was Hamas who set that equation.
Remember the Palestinian woman who said Israel was gonna kill 1000 times more Palestinians then Jews that were killed in the Holocaust? Yea, math, it’s a bitch.
653 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:27:31am |
re: #650 iceweasel
There’s a lot of people for whom hippie-punching never gets old, literally or figuratively.
Especially armchair hippie-punching.
Reeks of personal impotence, if you ask me.
654 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:27:39am |
re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh. Lefties on my Facebook page are saying that BoA was curbing peoples First Amendment rights by not letting them hold up a protest sign in their lobby.
I just posted,
From what I’ve seen? People who scream “First Amendment” the most, seem to be the farthest from actually understanding what it means.
Boy did you get that right! Amen brother!
655 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:28:29am |
re: #653 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Especially armchair hippie-punching.
Reeks of personal impotence, if you ask me.
Is it possible for someone to be a chickencop? Sort of like a chickenhawk. ;)
656 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:28:42am |
re: #653 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Especially armchair hippie-punching.
Reeks of personal impotence, if you ask me.
Personal impotence and forty year old cultural tropes.
657 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:28:43am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
She probably was just a denier.
658 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:29:18am |
re: #626 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You can see the reddish sparks of something. At first I though it might be from a cigarette but the sparks follow him down the sidewalk. Probably a firework fuse, I think most road flares have those instant pull ignitions.
659 | Dante41 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:29:46am |
re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I know. Why can’t some people wrap their heads around the concept that the First Amendment only applies to the government?
660 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:29:49am |
Someone has as little right to protest in the lobby of a business as they have to post whatever they want on LGF.
661 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:30:25am |
Idiot/desperate to avoid jail parents of the day: 2 adults are being charged with providing alcohol to dozens of minors after a party was broken up in my neck of the woods in Northern NJ. The parents claim ignorance that underage teens were drinking. The incident gained police attention when a parent of 16-year old came to pick the girl up and found her passed out drunk on the front lawn. Police from several surrounding towns had to assist in rounding up dozens of teens - each being charged with a count of underage drinking (a hefty fine). 59 kids, plus the 2 adults were arrested.
Parents claim someone else brought the alcohol/some of those teens at the party were already drunk. When police responded, they found the adults refusing entry to the house, slurring speech, and that teens were openly inebriated.
Fifty-nine teenagers were arrested and 38 were later charged with underage drinking, police said.
The party was first reported by a man who arrived at the Caruth Avenue home to pick up his daughter only to find her lying in the bushes drunk.
News of the incident spread quickly across the borough, especially among students at Elmwood Park Memorial High School, said Superintendent Richard Tomko. Most, if not all, of the teenagers arrested were students in the district, Tomko said.
“I’m disappointed with the students, obviously,” Tomko said Tuesday. “I’ve been here 10 years now and this has never happened, anything of this magnitude.”
Costanzo-Gil and Lozano were scheduled to appear in court Tuesday afternoon, but the hearing was postponed because the two had decided to hire a private lawyer. The hearing was not immediately rescheduled.
The Friday get-together was for their 16-year-old daughter, said their lawyer, Nabil Kassem. Kassem said the two were innocent.
“These people have been hung out to dry,” Kassem said.
Kassem said Costanzo-Gil and Lozano were “upstairs making hot-dog appetizers” when the police arrived just after 10 p.m. Kassem also said that any alcohol at the party was brought by teenagers, several of whom came uninvited and many of whom had been drinking elsewhere beforehand.
Costanzo-Gil and Lozano did not “serve or participate,” Kassem said. “This is a really unfortunate situation.”
Police gave a different version of events, saying that Costanzo-Gil’s eyes were bloodshot and his speech slurred when he answered the door Friday. Costanzo-Gil then tried to close the door, but not before police noticed a strong odor of alcohol emanating from the house, and several teenagers in plain sight, authorities said.
After police entered the home, they found vomit on some of the carpeting and in the second-floor bathroom.
“It was obvious to us they were aware of it,” Lt. Michael Foligno said Saturday.
662 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:30:34am |
re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I agree with you, and I agree with what you wrote.
I think a lot of people in general are really unclear on the First Amendment.
I caught hell [again] from my own friends when I was on the side of the 4th Circuit and the Westboro Baptist Church in their recent SCOTUS court case. The SCOTUS ruled like I thought [and hoped] it would.
I was good and didn’t fingerwag that I told ‘em so, but I did tell ‘em so. The First Amendment is deep. It’s one of the few things I go all “exceptionalist” on, re: America.
663 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:30:38am |
664 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:31:31am |
Well, I gots lots of house work to get done. That darn Honey Do List just keeps on going and going and going…… Musta bin playin around with that darn energizer bunny again…
Ice its been nice typing to ya… see ya again real soon I hope! Tell Jimmah we said hello! (emails open above!)
665 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:32:57am |
re: #656 iceweasel
Personal impotence and forty year old cultural tropes.
Cultural tropes!
That sounds very French!
666 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:33:06am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember the Palestinian woman who said Israel was gonna kill 1000 times more Palestinians then Jews that were killed in the Holocaust? Yea, math, it’s a bitch.
Did she say was gonna kill or has already killed?
667 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:33:31am |
re: #661 lawhawk
It’s not funny… but I keep picture Dean Wormer’s daughter passed out daughter being brought home and left in the front yard in a shopping cart in Animal House.
668 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:33:45am |
re: #666 Alouette
Did she say was gonna kill or has already killed?
Ya know, it was a while ago, so I don’t exactly recall.
669 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:34:01am |
re: #665 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
nononononono
You should say “it sounds very Freedom”.wait what
670 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:34:29am |
re: #664 Dragon_Lady
Well, I gots lots of house work to get done. That darn Honey Do List just keeps on going and going and going… Musta bin playin around with that darn energizer bunny again…
Ice its been nice typing to ya… see ya again real soon I hope! Tell Jimmah we said hello! (emails open above!)
Take care and good luck getting everything done! I’ll send you an email tonight or tomorrow. Later!
671 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:34:57am |
re: #667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It wasn’t Wormer’s daughter. It was Mayor Carmine’s daughter.
But yes, the similarities are there.
672 | Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:35:31am |
re: #670 iceweasel
Take care and good luck getting everything done! I’ll send you an email tonight or tomorrow. Later!
Thanks! Have a good day! Later everyone, Keep Laughing!
673 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:36:05am |
re: #667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It’s not funny… but I keep picture Dean Wormer’s daughter passed out daughter being brought home and left in the front yard in a shopping cart in Animal House.
re: #671 lawhawk
It wasn’t Wormer’s daughter. It was Mayor Carmine’s daughter.
But yes, the similarities are there.
Either way, these comments made me think of Dean Wormer’s wife in the store.:)
674 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:36:38am |
@Sandmonkey Mahmoud Salem
So, is it safe to say that you won’t demonstrate what happened at #maspero, out of fear of getting killed? #ANSWERME
675 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:36:58am |
re: #674 Gus 802
@Sandmonkey Mahmoud Salem
So, is it safe to say that you won’t demonstrate what happened at #maspero, out of fear of getting killed? #ANSWERME
Think about that.
676 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:37:55am |
Hmm, Harrisburg, PA is filing for Chap 9 bankruptcy.
[Link: bottomline.msnbc.msn.com…]
The politicians are morally bankrupt, but it appears the city is financially bankrupt.
677 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:39:01am |
re: #674 Gus 802
@Sandmonkey Mahmoud Salem
So, is it safe to say that you won’t demonstrate what happened at #maspero, out of fear of getting killed? #ANSWERME
Context?
678 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:39:12am |
Occupy Wall Street, Time to Wake Up
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
679 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:41:16am |
680 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:41:30am |
re: #658 Killgore Trout
You can see the reddish sparks of something. At first I though it might be from a cigarette but the sparks follow him down the sidewalk. Probably a firework fuse, I think most road flares have those instant pull ignitions.
Doubtful - if it was, it would have made the news days ago.
Do you know what became of the guy, whether he was arrested and/or charged with anything?
681 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:41:46am |
re: #679 Gus 802
Egypt. And the Coptics incident.
That I get. But who is tweeting whom and to what end?
682 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:42:53am |
re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh. Lefties on my Facebook page are saying that BoA was curbing peoples First Amendment rights by not letting them hold up a protest sign in their lobby.
I just posted,
From what I’ve seen? People who scream “First Amendment” the most, seem to be the farthest from actually understanding what it means.
Actually, they let you get away with quite a bit at Apple Stores:
683 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:44:02am |
re: #678 Killgore Trout
Occupy Wall Street, Time to Wake Up
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
I wonder. Does the guy with the 90% sign on his shirt mean just federal taxes or federal and state taxes combined, if someone’s state has state taxes?
684 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:44:04am |
re: #681 Sergey Romanov
That I get. But who is tweeting whom and to what end?
That’s just [Link: twitter.com…]Your text to link… putting out a general statement.
685 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:44:06am |
re: #678 Killgore Trout
Occupy Wall Street, Time to Wake Up
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
But it’s so early
It’s only 1 ,,, , in the afternoon!!
686 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:45:09am |
re: #683 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wonder. Does the guy with the 90% sign on his shirt mean just federal taxes or federal and state taxes combined, if someone’s state has state taxes?
(video kept buffering so I didn’t get to see the whole thing)
687 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:45:46am |
re: #678 Killgore Trout
Occupy Wall Street, Time to Wake Up
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
Political advice from the Opie half of Opie and Anthony.
Really?
Lol!
688 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:45:47am |
Playing a video hosted by an Opie and Anthony fan. How ironic.
689 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:45:58am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
Sorry, but fuck yeah.
691 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:46:24am |
re: #687 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Political advice from the Opie half of Opie and Anthony.
Really?
Lol!
Exactly. Damn. I’m really trying hard to censor myself here now. KT’s jumping the shark.
692 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:46:38am |
re: #685 sattv4u2
But it’s so early
It’s only 1 ,,, , in the afternoon!!
There’s a very funny and very shot scene at the very end. I should have put a NSFW warning on that one.
693 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:47:34am |
This is getting stupid. Starting to smell like wingnuts cooking here.
694 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:47:57am |
re: #687 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Political advice from the Opie half of Opie and Anthony.
Really?
Lol!
His other video of the protest is pretty funny too….
Occupy Wall Street is a FREAK show - Opie’s Eye
695 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:48:02am |
696 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:48:05am |
re: #693 Gus 802
This is getting stupid. Starting to smell like wingnuts cooking here.
Smells….. fatty.
697 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:48:07am |
re: #691 Gus 802
Exactly. Damn. I’m really trying hard to censor myself here now. KT’s jumping the shark.
I probably shouldn’t, but I find the desperation kind of hilarious, myself.
698 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:48:44am |
re: #697 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I probably shouldn’t, but I find the desperation kind of hilarious, myself.
So do I!
699 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:49:46am |
re: #697 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I probably shouldn’t, but I find the desperation kind of hilarious, myself.
I think it has something to do with a) “hippie” neighbors; b) a compost pile; and c) rats. Might be some kind of personal vendetta against “hippies”.
700 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:49:46am |
701 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:49:47am |
re: #692 Killgore Trout
There’s a very funny and very shot scene at the very end. I should have put a NSFW warning on that one.
Saw it
HEY ,,, can’t a person just have some privacy ,, in the middle of the day ,, in the middle of one of the most crowded sections in the middle of one of the most crowded cities in the world!@?!?
703 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:50:27am |
704 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:50:30am |
re: #697 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I probably shouldn’t, but I find the desperation kind of hilarious, myself.
Mace for you!
re: #698 iceweasel
So do I!
Waterboarding for you!
re: #699 Gus 802
I think it has something to do with a) “hippie” neighbors; b) a compost pile; and c) rats. Might be some kind of personal vendetta against “hippies”.
Tasing for you!
/
705 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:52:20am |
706 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:52:41am |
708 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:54:34am |
709 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:54:34am |
710 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:55:08am |
711 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:55:38am |
712 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:55:45am |
Men, no pee pee while standing!!
[Link: blogs.vancouversun.com…]
713 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:56:58am |
re: #710 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Imitation, as always.
Figured if I put it in your phraseology I wouldn’t have to be asked a needless follow up question
714 | blueraven Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:57:31am |
re: #583 sattv4u2
When I was a kid, we had a parlor we weren’t allowed in
Furniture still had the plastic coverings on it unless someone special was visiting,,, does that count??
Lucinda Williams… Bus to Baton Rouge
All the front rooms were kept closed off
I never liked to go in there much
Sometimes the doors they’d be locked
‘Cause there were precious things I couldn’t touchThe company couch covered in plastic
Little books about being saved
The dining room table nobody ate at
And the piano nobody played
[Link: www.trachanh.com…]
715 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:57:37am |
There is no slippery slope. Accept your authoritarian rules. Nothing can ever happen. Accept reality and face the facts that one should never protest, ever, for fear of the baton wielding cop.
716 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:57:52am |
re: #712 Cannadian Club Akbar
I sit more than I stand when at home. That way the floor stays much cleaner.
Oh. Y’all didn’t want to know that?
717 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:58:04am |
K Kiddies
Off the the back cracker, the eye doctor, the grocery store, the gas station, the ,,,,,,,
damn, I kinda hate days off!!
718 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:58:05am |
re: #712 Cannadian Club Akbar
Men, no pee pee while standing!!
[Link: blogs.vancouversun.com…]
“Can I use your bathroom”?
“No”.
“I thought not, that’s why I pissed in your garden”.
-The Young Ones
719 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:59:00am |
re: #716 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sit more than I stand when at home. That way the floor stays much cleaner.
Oh. Y’all didn’t want to know that?
NOTE TO SELF
go to the bathroom BEFORE going to FBV’s house
720 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:59:39am |
re: #709 Gus 802
[different issue than FVB’s 1st amendment/signs issue post, but still gets the upding]
721 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:00:13am |
re: #716 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sit more than I stand when at home. That way the floor stays much cleaner.
Oh. Y’all didn’t want to know that?
Is that why you chose the yellow tiles when you remolded,, umm,, remodeled!!
722 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:01:50am |
re: #716 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sit more than I stand when at home. That way the floor stays much cleaner.
Oh. Y’all didn’t want to know that?
Personally, I never really saw the draw of doing it while standing up. But maybe that’s just me.
723 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:02:03am |
re: #712 Cannadian Club Akbar
Men, no pee pee while standing!!
[Link: blogs.vancouversun.com…]
Oh! It’s a uni-sex bathroom. Makes it all the more logical and necessary, if you ask me.
724 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:02:41am |
re: #716 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I sit more than I stand when at home. That way the floor stays much cleaner.
Oh. Y’all didn’t want to know that?
Heh.
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
725 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:02:49am |
In one of the largest mass arrests in recent Boston history, the Boston Police Department cleared a park of over 100 activists with the 99 Percent Movement in the early hours of Tuesday morning, dismantling and destroying tents that had been set up on Monday. Startling footage shot by an onlooker shows members of Veterans for Peace, an organization of U.S. military veterans who oppose war, being arrested by members of the Boston Police Department, their flags — including the American flag — being thrown to the ground:
video at link.
726 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:03:18am |
727 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:03:36am |
re: #709 Gus 802
Yes, yes. Businesses have a right to refuse service to protesters.
Uh huh.
Also worthy to note: just who the violent vigilantes were in every.single.episode of civil rights protests.
[Dumb, stupid confederates. Always; never, ever fails.]
728 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:04:03am |
re: #726 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. That’s relevant.
Oh wait. Not relevant. Not at all.
It’s related.
729 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:04:58am |
re: #725 iceweasel
Do you know how I can send a pizza to these brave anti-Marxist policemen? They need energy to beat hippies, so, you know…
730 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:05:15am |
731 | sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:07:06am |
re: #716 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #724 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #722 Simply Sarah
Personally, I never really saw the draw of doing it while standing up. But maybe that’s just me.
((joke going around when Clinton was Prez)
(aide)
Mr. President, someone wrote BILL CLINTON SUCKS in the snow in the Rose Garden”
Clinton “Why thats terrible. Do we know who it is?”
aide “Well, DNA shows it’s Al Gores urine, but analysis shows it’s Hillarys handwriting”
732 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:07:23am |
re: #729 Sergey Romanov
Do you know how I can send a pizza to these brave anti-Marxist policemen? They need energy to beat hippies, so, you know…
They need pizza and a patchouli-sniffin dog. /
733 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:07:58am |
734 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:08:58am |
By the way. One of the memes the climate change deniers use is that it’s a Marxist conspiracy. Nice company to keep aye?
BRB
735 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:09:13am |
re: #725 iceweasel
Yeah, that doesn’t look good. I know it’s just symbolism, but there’s something potent about the image of a flag going down.
736 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:09:51am |
re: #730 Gus 802
That link is from Think Progress! Those Commies!
It has the word ‘progress’ in it! That’s code fer OMG RADIKAL LEFTIES.
737 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:10:16am |
re: #734 Gus 802
Well, there’s nothing wrong with principled anti-Marxism. Not until it becomes a fetish. It’s not like Marxism is equal to, say, racism (fueling much of the Tea Party, though not all).
738 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:10:52am |
From every police vs OWS vid I’ve seen, it’s the cops who are the most aggressive.
Fancy that.
739 | Simply Sarah Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:14:53am |
re: #735 Obdicut
Yeah, that doesn’t look good. I know it’s just symbolism, but there’s something potent about the image of a flag going down.
Well, from what I’m hearing and see in local news, the whole incident yesterday has simply (And unsurprisingly) increased the number of people showing up. It’s still a bit too soon to be sure, but I don’t think this has gone over as well PR-wise as the police might have hoped.
740 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:17:26am |
741 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:17:29am |
Amanda Fucking Palmer goes down to occupy again…
NYC!!! RAIN OR FUCKING SHINE i’ll be at @occupywallst. 4:30 pm. liberty plaza. human beings are brave. and waterproof. see you there.
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742 | Alexzander Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:19:56am |
re: #741 000G
Amanda Fucking Palmer goes down to occupy again…
[Link: twitter.com…]
I saw the Dresden Dolls about 6 years ago in Vancouver BC. Pretty much describes the mental space I occupied (at least some of the time) back then.
743 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:20:57am |
re: #734 Gus 802
By the way. One of the memes the climate change deniers use is that it’s a Marxist conspiracy. Nice company to keep aye?
BRB
Is there ANYTHING in Conservostan that isn’t a Marxist conspiracy?
744 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:21:38am |
Obdi, if you’re reading, did you have any luck going to OWS like you planned to test if your voice will be heard?
746 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:23:30am |
For me a modern Marxist = UFO/homeopathy/astrology believer. I don’t want them in power for the same reason. But to think that Marxist=automatically evil? Heh.
747 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:23:38am |
re: #742 Alexzander
I saw the Dresden Dolls about 6 years ago in Vancouver BC. Pretty much describes the mental space I occupied (at least some of the time) back then.
Cool. I am going back about 10, 11 years with Amanda. She’s quite the lovely agitator.
748 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:27:54am |
re: #746 Sergey Romanov
For me a modern Marxist = UFO/homeopathy/astrology believer. I don’t want them in power for the same reason. But to think that Marxist=automatically evil? Heh.
I feel basically the same way. This clinging to the use of “Marxism” as a smear term or bugbear…very retro, JBS mentality.
Ridiculous, and desperate.
749 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:28:14am |
re: #744 Sergey Romanov
Obdi, if you’re reading, did you have any luck going to OWS like you planned to test if your voice will be heard?
No, I’ve been too busy with work stuff, and too low-energy. I may get the ups up tomorrow to get up and go.
750 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:28:24am |
re: #738 Varek Raith
From every police vs OWS vid I’ve seen, it’s the cops who are the most aggressive.
Fancy that.
Authoritarians however think that the police reserve the right to bash in anyone’s head as they please. Until it’s their turn of course.
751 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:28:45am |
Back from getting a complete physical. (I had an “issue” saturday and the spouse insisted I go see the doc). Good news/bad news. I’m still waiting on blood work results but the other numbers came in great. Looks like I might be around awhile.
752 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:30:15am |
re: #750 Gus 802
Authoritarians however think that the police reserve the right to bash in anyone’s head as they please. Until it’s their turn of course.
How does the old saying go? A conservative is someone who has been mugged and a liberal is someone who has been arrested?
753 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:30:30am |
754 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:30:57am |
Just you moonbats and OWS apologists see! When these Marxist protests comes back to haunt the Democratic Party and Obama’s chances in in 2012 don’t thank me!
//
755 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:31:07am |
re: #751 RogueOne
Back from getting a complete physical. (I had an “issue” saturday and the spouse insisted I go see the doc). Good news/bad news. I’m still waiting on blood work results but the other numbers came in great. Looks like I might be around awhile.
I have some extra rope. Or a nice garden hose that will fit the exhaust pipe on your truck. Ya know, just in case.
//
756 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:32:15am |
re: #748 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I feel basically the same way. This clinging to the use of “Marxism” as a smear term or bugbear…very retro, JBS mentality.
Ridiculous, and desperate.
It’s very revealing though that modern conservatives have to rely on 40 year old (and older) smears. No wonder the JBS is back as a force in American politics (well, if CPAC counts).
They’re working from an old and outdated playbook, and become increasingly desperate when they see it isn’t working the way it used to.
757 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:32:22am |
re: #750 Gus 802
Authoritarians however think that the police reserve the right to bash in anyone’s head as they please. Until it’s their turn of course.
Well, yuhh.
The police were put here to serve ME and protect ME from YOU! Not the other way around! Or any other communist arrangement!!
758 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:33:16am |
re: #754 Gus 802
//
No wingnut would talk about the Democratic Party that way!
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…because they think it’s called the Democrat Party.
759 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:33:44am |
Well, the comparison was bound to be drawn.
760 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:34:37am |
Help us fight cultural Marxism and multiculturalism by joining my fight as a Knights Templars!!
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761 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:35:54am |
re: #760 Gus 802
Heh. This reminds me - Tony Bologna is just a mini-Breivik. Oh, if only he could…!
762 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:37:21am |
re: #759 Sergey Romanov
Well, the comparison was bound to be drawn.
[Video]
Nothing’s wrong though. Can’t you see they’re just hippies, weirdos, queers and Marxists. Nothing but a bunch of belly aching trust funders and gen-Y whiners.
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763 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:43:27am |
re: #759 Sergey Romanov
Well, the comparison was bound to be drawn.
[Video]
And btw, at this time I disagree with the comparison. But these visuals is what people will see.
764 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:47:33am |
I do trust the fans of OWS that are here won’t be offended? The rhetoric of violence must be called out and challenged.
[Link: www.ringospictures.com…]
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
765 | Kragar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:48:34am |
766 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:48:43am |
767 | windsagio Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:50:35am |
re: #764 Rightwingconspirator
I just have to love ‘revolution hipster’.
Still, seriously, it seems the same’ol same’ol.
also, lol@pajamasmedia ;D
768 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:51:21am |
re: #764 Rightwingconspirator
I do trust the fans of OWS that are here won’t be offended? The rhetoric of violence must be called out and challenged.
[Link: www.ringospictures.com…]
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
I didn’t see anything violent at that first link, unless Death to Capitalism or “The banks ate my baby” count.
769 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:51:25am |
re: #764 Rightwingconspirator
I do trust the fans of OWS that are here won’t be offended? The rhetoric of violence must be called out and challenged.
[Link: www.ringospictures.com…]
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
RingosPictures is a site similar to zombietime. Just sayin’
770 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:52:10am |
re: #767 windsagio
also, lol@pajamasmedia ;D
I’m glad somebody has it. Video kinda stands all on it’s own, at PJ or youtube or here.
771 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:52:51am |
re: #769 Alouette
RingosPictures is a site similar to zombietime. Just sayin’
And “Ringo” is an ex-lizard. He’s a fan and imitator of zombie.
772 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:53:17am |
773 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:53:55am |
re: #764 Rightwingconspirator
There weren’t any pictures there from OWS. There were some from Occupy LA. Is that what you meant?
The rest of the pictures are older.
774 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:54:01am |
re: #768 iceweasel
I didn’t see anything violent at that first link, unless Death to Capitalism or “The banks ate my baby” count.
That’s hilarious
775 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:54:06am |
re: #765 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Funny that Fischer accused O’Donnell of doing the same exact same thing did and furthermore Cain has done that to Obama because of Obama’s father being a Kenyan immigrant. I don’t think anyone thought racism would end with Obama’s election. I did think a big cultural hurdle was overcome but that’s not the same thing of thinking racism was over.
776 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:54:14am |
re: #767 windsagio
I just have to love ‘revolution hipster’.
Still, seriously, it seems the same’ol same’ol.
also, lol@pajamasmedia ;D
lol@Zombie ;)
777 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:55:07am |
re: #769 Alouette
If the LA Times had it I would have gone with that link. I see no reports or reason to think fauxtography, or propagandistic edits of the video. We won’t always have the luxury of preferred sources.
779 | windsagio Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:55:29am |
RWC, I don’t wanna tan you for your sources, like you said the vids/images are real.
The thing is, these have always been open protests. It’s hard at the best of times to keep undesirable whackos out, and between the scope and the vast difference between various occupy organizations, its basically impossible.
More unpleasantly it fits in with the ongoing tactic for tarring any protest organization. Implicate the ‘people behind it all’ and ‘take pictures of the nuttiest of the nutballs’.
Edit: heh turns out as per Obdi, some of the images aren’t real as per this protest. Oh those tricky bastards!!
780 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:55:48am |
re: #768 iceweasel
I didn’t see anything violent at that first link, unless Death to Capitalism or “The banks ate my baby” count.
But some of them were wearing teh “Die Yuppie Scum” t-shirts! That’s a call to violence!!
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781 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:56:06am |
re: #771 wrenchwench
And “Ringo” is an ex-lizard. He’s a fan and imitator of zombie.
Oh, Ringo the Gringo? So the full deck.
783 | iceweasel Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:56:41am |
re: #780 Gus 802
But some of them were wearing teh “Die Yuppie Scum” t-shirts! That’s a call to violence!!
//
i forget, we did have someone here making that argument. lolworthy.
784 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:57:38am |
re: #782 windsagio
Um, the dates are right on them. I’m not sure what you’re asking. I’m pointing out the other signs pre-date the Occupy stuff.
785 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:57:39am |
re: #783 iceweasel
i forget, we did have someone here making that argument. lolworthy.
The best Yuppies were the ones in “Christmas Vacation”.:)
786 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:57:51am |
re: #783 iceweasel
i forget, we did have someone here making that argument. lolworthy.
I won’t mention any names.
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787 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:57:52am |
re: #777 Rightwingconspirator
If the LA Times had it I would have gone with that link. I see no reports or reason to think fauxtography, or propagandistic edits of the video. We won’t always have the luxury of preferred sources.
Yeah but, these sites tend to be “selective” in what they will publish and not publish.
zombietime crossed the line into gay pr0n.
I prefer the Daylife photo stream.
788 | windsagio Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:58:25am |
re: #784 Obdicut
oh wasn’t doubting you, just didn’t look at them that closely and didn’t want to :D
I’ll take a look myself then.
789 | windsagio Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:00:01am |
heh I bet they’re wondering about all the hits they’re getting off of LGF all of a sudden tho’ ><
790 | Kragar Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:00:25am |
Well, they did it.
Topeka, Kansas Repeals Domestic Violence Law
Beating your wife is A-okay in Topeka.
791 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:01:17am |
re: #601 Alouette
I can’t breathe easy until I know that Gilad is still alive.
It was also very disgusting reading the comments at Huffpost and Haaretz.
Don’t read the comments at HuffPost and Ha’aretz.
I got about ten deep in Ha’aretz, and gave up because they were all nitpicking at Netanyahu for making a reference to ‘cruel’ captivity, when, for all we know, he was treated just fine!!
For all we know, of course, because the Red Cross was denied access, but heck, who cares?
792 | Gus Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:01:39am |
re: #783 iceweasel
i forget, we did have someone here making that argument. lolworthy.
Go White Sox!! Die Yuppie Scum!!11ty
Apparently the White Sox fans have unfurled a banner with those words at some game(s).
793 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:01:49am |
re: #777 Rightwingconspirator
Most of those pictures, the vast, vast, vast majority, contain nothing like a call to violence. Many of them are quite sweet, and some of them— the personal narratives of unemployment— are quite heartfelt.
794 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:02:57am |
re: #775 HappyWarrior
Funny that Fischer accused O’Donnell of doing the same exact same thing did and furthermore Cain has done that to Obama because of Obama’s father being a Kenyan immigrant. I don’t think anyone thought racism would end with Obama’s election. I did think a big cultural hurdle was overcome but that’s not the same thing of thinking racism was over.
Well, I know a lot of people who seemed to think things would somehow improve. I and just about everyone I know who as been on the receiving end of these peoples’ ceaseless race rage anticipated things getting worse, as far as even more seething confederates coming out of the closet. We saw it in the campaign among both the Ds and the Rs.
Then comes the inauguration, then the tea party, Mark Williams, Dale Robinson, Breitbart/Shirley Sherrod, the rest is history.
Afaic, Herman Cain or no Herman Cain, it’s going to get even worse in the coming GE, because that’s all the conservatives have — they have no record to run on, and no ideas. Otoh, I think if Romney gets the nom, the anti-LDS crowd will go into their usual conformity act and shut up and go along with it.
795 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:06:42am |
re: #694 Killgore Trout
His other video of the protest is pretty funny too…
Occupy Wall Street is a FREAK show - Opie’s Eye[Video]
Yknow… that tall blond cowboy character at 1:30? Dya think… that could be… this guy?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
796 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:08:15am |
re: #780 Gus 802
But some of them were wearing teh “Die Yuppie Scum” t-shirts! That’s a call to violence!!
//
But Herb Cain said they’re coming for my iPad because they are jealous of poor little me!
Don’t I have a RIGHT to be nervous and anxious?! Or are you going to take that away from poor me, too!!
797 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:09:39am |
re: #793 Obdicut
Most of those pictures, the vast, vast, vast majority, contain nothing like a call to violence. Many of them are quite sweet, and some of them— the personal narratives of unemployment— are quite heartfelt.
Yeah, just looked through them. Some are objectionable - the stuff about “revolution”, but it’s also the usual stupid leftist kid stuff. Most are OK. And all or nearly all of the sign-makers are literate!
798 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:10:54am |
re: #797 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, just looked through them. Some are objectionable - the stuff about “revolution”, but it’s also the usual stupid leftist kid stuff. Most are OK. And all or nearly all of the sign-makers are literate!
With $100k in student loans they better know how to spell.
799 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:16:07am |
800 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:16:18am |
re: #764 Rightwingconspirator
I do trust the fans of OWS that are here won’t be offended? The rhetoric of violence must be called out and challenged.
[Link: www.ringospictures.com…]
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
Fat chance. Very few people are interested. Viva la Revolution!
801 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:16:55am |
re: #795 000G
Yknow… that tall blond cowboy character at 1:30? Dya think… that could be… this guy?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Yup, that’s him
802 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:18:20am |
re: #801 Killgore Trout
Yup, that’s him
With a lot more tattoos and maybe a different agenda… or maybe he was just being a freak for being a freak’s sake back then, too.
803 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:21:20am |
re: #802 000G
With a lot more tattoos and maybe a different agenda… or maybe he was just being a freak for being a freak’s sake back then, too.
He might just be a loon who shows up to anything where he can get attention. However these protests (just like the Tea Party) are a moronic convergence of fringe elements. The Tea Party isn’t really any different than OWS so some of the same people will be interested in showing up.
804 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:23:30am |
re: #764 Rightwingconspirator
I do trust the fans of OWS that are here won’t be offended? The rhetoric of violence must be called out and challenged.
[Link: www.ringospictures.com…]
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
Oh, they’ll be offended. They’ll say they’re amused, but they’ll be offended.
805 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:24:50am |
re: #803 Killgore Trout
He might just be a loon who shows up to anything where he can get attention. However these protests (just like the Tea Party) are a moronic convergence of fringe elements. The Tea Party isn’t really any different than OWS so some of the same people will be interested in showing up.
I accept the premise of “moronic convergence” in principle… but… a bigotted anti-“Ground Zero” mosque neoconfederate redneck AND a completely-face-tattooed hippie-freak with hearts on his Las Vegas Cowboy outfit protesting corporate greed? Don’t you think that’s a little too much cognitive dissonance?
I dunno, maybe the guy had a fabulous sort of spiritual conversion experience. Who am I to judge?
806 | RogueOne Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:27:02am |
re: #803 Killgore Trout
He might just be a loon who shows up to anything where he can get attention. However these protests (just like the Tea Party) are a moronic convergence of fringe elements. The Tea Party isn’t really any different than OWS so some of the same people will be interested in showing up.
You mean a guy with tattoos all over his face could be an attention whore? That’s a shocker!///
807 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:32:36am |
re: #773 Obdicut
There weren’t any pictures there from OWS. There were some from Occupy LA. Is that what you meant?
The rest of the pictures are older.
I was referring to OWS as a term for the numerous obviously related protests. Ringo runs his oage like that, newer stuff up top. He is a known (respected in some quarters) protest photog around here in LA.
808 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:35:05am |
re: #787 Alouette
Yeah but, these sites tend to be “selective” in what they will publish and not publish.
zombietime crossed the line into gay pr0n.
I prefer the Daylife photo stream.
Everybody is selective. Especially the MSM. I’m considering taking a day like Sunday and photographing the event in LA myself. It would be a big photo page, likely linked elsewhere to handle the couple dozen shots it might take. Maybe some interviews/video.
809 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:53:00am |
re: #807 Rightwingconspirator
I was referring to OWS as a term for the numerous obviously related protests. Ringo runs his oage like that, newer stuff up top. He is a known (respected in some quarters) protest photog around here in LA.
He’s known here too, at LGF, but not respected.