Texas State Agency Censors Environmental Report, Removing Climate Change References

The anti-science right wing resorts to censorship in Rick Perry’s Texas

Professor of oceanography John Anderson was commissioned to write a report on the state of Galveston Bay by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality; but when the TCEQ saw his report they decided to delete all references to human-caused climate change and other human impacts on the environment: Professor says state agency censored article.

GALVESTON - A long-awaited report on Galveston Bay is being delayed by accusations that Texas’ environmental agency deleted references from a scientific article to climate change, people’s impact on the environment and sea-level�rise.

John Anderson, the Maurice Ewing professor of oceanography at Rice University and author of the article, accused the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality of basing its decision to delete certain references on politics rather than�science.

“I don’t think there is any question but that their motive is to tone this thing down as it relates to global (climate) change,” Anderson said. “It’s not about the science. It’s all�politics.”

The article has several references to climate change but does not say it is caused by humans. However, other references to the impact people have had on the environment were deleted by�TCEQ.

TCEQ spokeswoman Andrea Morrow gave no reason for the deletions in an e-mail response, saying only that the agency disagreed with information in the�article. “It would be irresponsible to take whatever is sent to us and publish it,” she�said.

Anderson said TCEQ prevented the article - written for a report by the agency’s Galveston Bay Estuary Program - from being published without the deletions. That, and Anderson’s refusal to accept the changes, have held up publication of The State of the Bay. …

Jim Lester, vice president of the research center and editor of the publication, said he, co-editor Lisa Gonzalez and Anderson have advised TCEQ officials that they do not want their names associated with the edited�version.

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607 comments
1 Summer Seale  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:32:53pm

They won’t stop at putting their fingers in their own ears and singing loudly when they don’t want to hear anything about Science; they now want to plug your ears for you as well.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:32:55pm

What would Galileo say, Mr Perry?

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:33:36pm

There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear
There’s a man with a gun over there
Telling me i got to beware

I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

4 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:33:48pm

Echoes of Ken Cuccinelli here in Virginia.

5 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:35:23pm

Curiouser and curiouser

Rick Perry’s ‘Environmental Watchdog’ is a top climate change denier with ties to energy industry

In 2007, Perry appointed Dr. Bryan Shaw, an engineer and professor at Texas A&M University, to head the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ), a regulator with a $350 million budget and a mission to “protect our state’s human and natural resources consistent with sustainable economic development.”

The commission issues permits to new energy plants and applies and enforces Texas’ environmental regulations. In theory, it would be charged with enforcing climate change mitigation regulations too. The TCEQ is led by three commissioners, all appointed by the governor. And under Perry, the TCEQ has acted as a rubber stamp for the energy industry in Texas, say environmental attorneys and advocates. “With one exception, Perry has appointed people who are hostile to the environment and who are very ideological,” says Jim Marston, director of the Environmental Defense Fund’s (EDF) Texas office.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:35:38pm

Rick Perry’s handiwork is pretty evident here. Imagine what he would do on a national level if elected President…

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:36:28pm

Lyseknoism at work.

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:37:43pm

They could have published the report uncensored, and then have Perry explain that “it is jut one of many reports out there”…

9 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:37:51pm

re: #2 ralphieboy

What would Galileo say, Mr Perry?

“Ouch, please stop it with the red hot poker already, Gov”.

10 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:37:53pm

more poll madness

former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll…

…Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

11 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:38:42pm

re: #10 engineer dog

more poll madness

former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll…

…Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

WOOO Huntsman BUMP!

12 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:39:43pm

re: #10 engineer dog

Also, do not want.

13 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:40:18pm

re: #10 engineer dog

more poll madness

former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll…

…Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

Jeez. Anyhow, Wondering how long Cain will last or if he’s just another flavor of the month whose star will fall.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:40:37pm

re: #10 engineer dog

more poll madness

former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll…

…Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

I have a right wing friend who said he hopes that Herman Cain can win the nomination and siphon the black vote away from Obama so the GOP can retake the White House.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:40:43pm

I misoverestimated Perry’s chances, but at least I was right on the message: GOP voters respond as if enchanted to the mantra of “low taxes + lax regulation = jobs, jobs, jobs”. That is what Cain is managing to sell to them, and they are terribly receptive.

16 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:40:43pm

““It would be irresponsible to take whatever is sent to us and publish it,”

Gee then maybe you shouldn’t have published the paper at all instead of just getting rid of the parts you didn’t agree with!

17 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:42:21pm

re: #14 dragonfire1981

I have a right wing friend who said he hopes that Herman Cain can win the nomination and siphon the black vote away from Obama so the GOP can retake the White House.

Thats flat out FREEPR talk.

18 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:43:57pm

re: #15 ralphieboy

I misoverestimated Perry’s chances, but at least I was right on the message: GOP voters respond as if enchanted to the mantra of “low taxes + lax regulation = jobs, jobs, jobs”. That is what Cain is managing to sell to them, and they are terribly receptive.

And it’s not even low taxes under Cain. His sales tax will be a real times increase in many places.

Idiots are haring what they want to hear.

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:44:53pm

re: #14 dragonfire1981

“I have a right wing friend who said he hopes that Herman Cain can win the nomination and siphon the black vote away from Obama so the GOP can retake the White House.”

Remember that Rush told us how Colin Powell only supported Obama because he was black. I assume that negro-ness is just some sort of commodity product that can be replaced at random…

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:45:01pm

Wow.

I just spent about an hour looking through comments about OWS at right wing blogs.

I feel like I need a shower. Every single right wing site is just crammed with comments from people threatening violence, talking about their weapon collections, all caps rants saying “BRING IT ON!”, fantasies of driving tanks into the demonstrations, fantasies of murder of all kinds.

There must be hundreds of thousands of these comments. At Breitbart’s sites, Hot Air, Pajamas Media, Free Republic, everywhere. All of them are crammed with violent wingnut fantasies.

Bad Craziness.

21 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:46:14pm

re: #20 Charles

The 101st Fightin’ Keyboards.

22 Flounder  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:46:48pm

re: #20 Charles

don’t forget to use your loofah!

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:47:05pm

re: #20 Charles


If you try to take them to task on it, they will just say “Have you no sense of humor/irony/satire?”

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:47:22pm

re: #20 Charles

All they do is increase sympathy for the protesters - which is not even always deserved.

Also, I can’t remember any such hate storm (with threats of physical abuse) against the Tea Party.

25 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:47:22pm

re: #21 wozzablog

The 101st Fightin’ Keyboards.

The 22nd F-Bomb Squadron.

26 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:47:39pm

re: #21 wozzablog

The 101st Fightin’ Keyboards.

I believe you mean the 101rst Chairborn division…

27 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:48:29pm

re: #26 jamesfirecat

I believe you mean the 101rst Chairborn division…

United in massive wingnut butthurt.

What right wing violence?

28 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:48:40pm

re: #20 Charles

4 more years of Obama, or any breakthrough for the OWS crowd into a teabagging style mainstream and they will act out their fruit loops en masse.

29 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:49:14pm

re: #24 Sergey Romanov

All they do is increase sympathy for the protesters - which is not even always deserved.

Also, I can’t remember any such hate storm (with threats of physical abuse) against the Tea Party.

Yeah shit. I mean I thought the Tea Party’s ideology sucked but wishing for physical harm on them wasn’t even on my mind. And I agree, the OWS crowd probably isn’t my own but thinking these people need to be violently suppressed is the product of a sick mind. Someone posted a twitter link to some lobbyist type who talked about running his car through the crowds. Stay class and go fuck yourselves RWNJs.

30 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:49:28pm

“I’m sorry Professor, there appears to have been a miscommunication. We hired you to lend your academic cachet to our deeply held misperceptions, not do real work. See, we thought we were paying for a fancied up bullshit version of our own entrenched and ignorant ideology, so I’m afraid we can’t go about publishing your actual, professional, scientific opinion.”

31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:50:27pm

A lot of these commenters write stuff like, “payback is coming sooner than you think.” Just absolutely menacing stuff. None of the admins of these sites are deleting any of this crap.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:50:37pm

re: #20 Charles

I actually had a mental image not so long ago of angry right wingers interrupting OWS demonstrations and firing their guns on the crowds.

I really hope it doesn’t come to that.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:50:37pm

re: #24 Sergey Romanov

All they do is increase sympathy for the protesters - which is not even always deserved.

Also, I can’t remember any such hate storm (with threats of physical abuse) against the Tea Party.

In fact, you got quotes from them like “We came unarmed this time” and rants on “Second Amendment remedies”…

34 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:51:15pm


Voters Overwhelmingly Support EPA Air Pollution Rules

A new, nationwide poll shows that by a wide margin, voters of both political parties and in all regions of the U.S. disagree with Congress’ anti-Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) agenda and support the EPA’s new rules to limit air pollution from coal-fired power plants. Two-thirds of the respondents – 67 percent – oppose Congress delaying implementation of the air pollution rules, according to the national survey of 1,400 voters conducted by Hart Research Associates and GS Strategy Group and sponsored by Ceres.

“American voters, both Democrats and Republicans, are unified in backing prompt EPA action on the clean air rules,” said Ceres president Mindy Lubber. “Regardless of affiliation, voters want a healthy environment and an end to foot-dragging to upgrade dirty power plants. Despite the rhetoric in Washington, clean air is not a partisan issue among Americans, and Congress would do well to take notice.”

“Although some in Congress oppose these rules, the level of support from Republican voters is surprisingly strong,” said Greg Strimple of GS Strategy Group, a Republican pollster who jointly conducted the research. “The research clearly demonstrates Republican voters are willing to support new rules to reduce harmful emissions in order to improve public health. Republicans like clean air, too.”

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:51:27pm

re: #32 dragonfire1981

I actually had a mental image not so long ago of angry right wingers interrupting OWS demonstrations and firing their guns on the crowds.

I really hope it doesn’t come to that.

Obviously a false flag incident…

36 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:52:22pm

re: #31 Charles

A lot of these commenters write stuff like, “payback is coming sooner than you think.” Just absolutely menacing stuff. None of the admins of these sites are deleting any of this crap.

Payback for what exactly?………

Bunch of hotheads with grudges against young folks and hippys will start lashing out and people will die.


This is leading to another Kent state.

37 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:52:31pm

This is why liberals and leftists need to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights as well. But what do I know? I’m just another armed liberal veteran…

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:53:43pm

re: #37 wlewisiii

This is why liberals and leftist need to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights as well. But what do I know? I’m just another armed liberal veteran…

I agree, it’s funny to me how a lot of Right wingers seem to think that Liberals detest guns and have no clue how to fire back.

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:54:31pm

re: #32 dragonfire1981

I actually had a mental image not so long ago of angry right wingers interrupting OWS demonstrations and firing their guns on the crowds.

I really hope it doesn’t come to that.

They’ve watched too much South Park in their “anti-hippie” phase.

40 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:55:20pm

re: #36 wozzablog

Payback for what exactly?…

Bunch of hotheads with grudges against young folks and hippys will start lashing out and people will die.

This is leading to another Kent state.

At Pajamas Media, they’re actually using Kent State as an example to follow. Seriously.

The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

Ray
Remember Kent State. That just about ended it for these wackos. Want them to try to torch my car.

[…]

SSgt Rock
Only problem with kent state was the shooting accuracy of the Ohio National Guard was very poor. 868 shots and only 4 kills. These socialists will not be allowed to reign supreme in America. It IS THE LAND of THE FREE and THE HOME of THE BRAVE!!!! If they want a violent revolution they better look around them first. I do not see many of the protestoers that look able to take up arms… BTW, the Ohio National Guard is MUCH better shots now…

[…]

SailFishMan
They probably pawned their weapons to get cash so they could attend this farce of a protest. I on the other hand, thanks to my 20 years in the military, have many, many weapons with plenty of ammo to use on these radical liberals as target practice.

[…]

Johngaltsscreams
That was my first thought; “Bring it”. I’m well-armed and ready.

672 comments, most of them in this vein.

41 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:56:41pm

re: #40 Charles

At Pajamas Media, they’re actually using Kent State as an example to follow. Seriously.

The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

672 comments, most of them in this vein.

I said last week it was only a matter of time before they brought that up as a good idea.

42 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:57:05pm

re: #40 Charles

It’s dejavu all over again with these people.

43 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:57:49pm

Since we’re back on OWS, I have to re-post this pic.

There are exceptions to the ‘Embracing the Crazies’ rule.

44 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:58:20pm

re: #38 dragonfire1981

I agree, it’s funny to me how a lot of Right wingers seem to think that Liberals detest guns and have no clue how to fire back.

The October Revolution was conducted only with signs, drum circles, and dream catchers.

45 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 3:58:27pm

re: #21 wozzablog

The 101st Fightin’ Keyboards.

Variations:

101st Screamin’ Keyboards
101st Chairborne

46 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:00:02pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The October Revolution was conducted only with signs, drum circles, and dream catchers.

Liberal is one of the very many things Lenin was not.

47 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:00:18pm

History will not remember today’s conservative movement well.

They’ll be the ones who believed the corporate shills rather than the vast majority of scientists on AGW, costing innumerable dollars and lives.

They’ll be the ones who fought gay rights and marriage equality tooth and nail, denying an entire class of people their civil rights because of religious fanaticism.

They’ll be the ones who supported torture and war, but fell into rage and paranoia when a black Democrat started killing terrorists with drones.

Their politicians will be the ones who clamored for laws against abortion and Shariah Law while the Great Recession dragged on.


I could continue, but you get the idea. And as a disclaimer, yes, I realize there are individual conservatives who are reasonable and willing to work with progressives to solve our nation’s problems, but the movement itself has, as Charles says, gone off a cliff.

48 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:01:43pm

There’s actually a couple of sites out there that I browse that repost selected user comments from the freepers.

Freeper Madness
Tales from the Derp Side

These don’t qualify as “stalker” sites as they don’t go after specific people, and don’t pull the sock-puppetry and lunacy like some of LFG’s former members have. They simply scour the comment threads and post what is written there (sometimes with editorial commentary).

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:01:52pm

re: #43 makeitstop

Since we’re back on OWS, I have to re-post this pic.

There are exceptions to the ‘Embracing the Crazies’ rule.

Video
“Anti-Zionist” sign at Occupy Wall Street

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:01:58pm

re: #47 Atlas Fails

Add to it that they are the movement that rejects Evolution but embraces every aspect of Social Darwinism

51 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:02:10pm

re: #47 Atlas Fails

Entirely intellectually bankrupt, hypocritical, deep pockets, millions of dupes, 24hr rage addiction, top down managed bunch of classless yahoos.

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:02:46pm

The harping for a second Kent State really disturbs me. Even the biggest critics of the Student Movements were shocked by what happened there and of course they conveintely forget that one of the students killed that day wasn’t even a protester but I guess he was collateral damage but anyone under 30 is a damned socialist who needs killing.

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:03:27pm

re: #47 Atlas Fails

History will not remember today’s conservative movement well.

Unless they write it.

54 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:04:07pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Video
“Anti-Zionist” sign at Occupy Wall Street

[Video]

Yeah and guess what? They’re being shouted down “Nazis go home.” They want them out.

55 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:04:52pm

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

Unless they write it.

They’ll write it, buy millions of copies and distribute it free with each subscription to Human Events.

57 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:05:24pm

re: #19 ralphieboy

“I have a right wing friend who said he hopes that Herman Cain can win the nomination and siphon the black vote away from Obama so the GOP can retake the White House.”

Remember that Rush told us how Colin Powell only supported Obama because he was black. I assume that negro-ness is just some sort of commodity product that can be replaced at random…

There are people who would bet real money that Cain will be the TPGOP candidate. I’ve got to meet some of them and finance my next trip to Venice.

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:05:41pm

re: #54 Gus 802

Yeah and guess what? They’re being shouted down “Nazis go home.” They want them out.

Exactly. And read the back side of the guy’s sign. He’s obviously one of the OWS protesters.

59 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:06:29pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Members of militant Amish Clan led by Mullet arrested after cutting hair

How is that not from the Onion?!?!

60 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:06:53pm

re: #58 Sergey Romanov

Exactly. And read the back side of the guy’s sign. He’s obviously one of the OWS protesters.

Yes. So clearly in this case they’re not supporting the crazies.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:06:53pm

re: #54 Gus 802

Actually this video is inspiring.

62 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:07:04pm

re: #40 Charles

Radicals feed off each other. The speaker who was probably brought there by Answer who organized the rally (check the other speeches on the side bar). Wingnut extremists use this to justify their fears. He was brought there by the organizers and he seems well reciveved by those attending the rally. No boos, no rebuttal. If this was a Tea Party we’d be having a thread about the speaker, not the comments on crazy left wing blogs. Just like when Code Pink and Answer shut down the Air and Space museum. I think the real story is the radical moonbats shutting down the museum, not the lone wingnut writer who was there.

63 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:07:20pm

re: #61 Sergey Romanov

Actually this video is inspiring.

Exactly.

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:07:43pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Members of militant Amish Clan led by Mullet arrested after cutting hair

He used a battery powered clipper! What an abomination unto the Lord!!!

65 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:07:49pm

Sorry for the delay on my Tea Party page, this week’s been a little busier than I expected. Should be up sometime this weekend.

66 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:08:42pm

re: #61 Sergey Romanov

Actually this video is inspiring.

Two guys out of a crowd of hundreds. Not much but it’s a start. Maybe if people stopped ignoring or excusing the radicals and actually worked to marginalize them it might be helpful.

67 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:08:59pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

How is that not from the Onion?!?!

Because I fucking rock is how.

68 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:09:01pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Video
“Anti-Zionist” sign at Occupy Wall Street

[Video]

Uh, well, yeah, there was a guy with an anti-Zionist sign, but didn’t you notice that they were throwing the bastard out?

69 laZardo  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:09:05pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Voters Overwhelmingly Support EPA Air Pollution Rules

“It’s God’s green earth, it’s our responsibility not to fuck it up.”
/not wingnut-tagged to represent those in favor?

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:09:37pm

re: #58 Sergey Romanov

Exactly. And read the back side of the guy’s sign. He’s obviously one of the OWS protesters.

He’s been there for at least 2 weeks.

71 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:09:51pm

re: #37 wlewisiii

This is why liberals and leftists need to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights as well. But what do I know? I’m just another armed liberal veteran…

Same here. Add into the mix, Survivalist as well. And yes, I do have non hybrid seed stock stored away. Probably not viable since I got it in the early 90’s, but you never know. The ammo on the other hand is STILL viable as well as the components to reload it.

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:10:07pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Two guys out of a crowd of hundreds.

That was sufficient, wasn’t it.

73 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:10:21pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Two guys out of a crowd of hundreds. Not much but it’s a start. Maybe if people stopped ignoring or excusing the radicals and actually worked to marginalize them it might be helpful.

That’s more than I ever saw happen at any Tea Party. Two guys out of hundreds is pretty good if you ask me. Most people don’t want to get that confrontational.

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:10:36pm

re: #68 Charles

Uh, well, yeah, there was a guy with an anti-Zionist sign, but didn’t you notice that they were throwing the bastard out?

That’s why I posted the video, in response to a still pic of the same event. I thought it might be helpful.

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:11:09pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

He’s been there for at least 2 weeks.

I’m talking about the guy with the green sign. Who are you talking about? The antisemitic guy? How do you know he was there, continuously, for 2 weeks?

76 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:13:11pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Two guys out of a crowd of hundreds. Not much but it’s a start. Maybe if people stopped ignoring or excusing the radicals and actually worked to marginalize them it might be helpful.

You’re not going to give anybody any credit here, are you?

With all due respect, that makes you look pretty small, KT.

77 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:13:12pm

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

I’m talking about the guy with the green sign. Who are you talking about? The antisemitic guy? How do you know he was there, continuously, for 2 weeks?

Pics of him first showed up about 2 weeks ago. He had the same sign.

78 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:14:09pm

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

Unless they write it.

I wouldn’t worry too much about that. The tide is turning fast on things like marriage equality, and Bush’s wars are already being decried by both parties. Most economists have favorable opinions of the stimulus, with the main complaint being that it was too small.

Oh, and it’s going to be tough to deny AGW much longer.

79 laZardo  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:14:12pm

gonna go out and get some stuff bbl

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:14:25pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I think you posted pretty much every such pic and video recently. I don’t remember you posting this guy, but then I probably missed it.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:15:07pm

re: #19 ralphieboy

“I have a right wing friend who said he hopes that Herman Cain can win the nomination and siphon the black vote away from Obama so the GOP can retake the White House.”

Remember that Rush told us how Colin Powell only supported Obama because he was black. I assume that negro-ness is just some sort of commodity product that can be replaced at random…

Phyllis Chesler, (who, by the way, appears to have lost her mind), was on a similar track a while ago—Obama only won because of white guilt, so the only way we can beat him is to run a black woman, ‘cause that would inspire even more guilt—and then she actually suggests Oprah, before admitting that that wouldn’t work because Oprah’s totally on Obama’s team.

The woman has been driven clean out of her gourd.

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:15:18pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Or is it the same guy who was shouting about Jews and Wall St. in his megaphone?

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:16:02pm

re: #20 Charles

Wow.

I just spent about an hour looking through comments about OWS at right wing blogs.

I feel like I need a shower. Every single right wing site is just crammed with comments from people threatening violence, talking about their weapon collections, all caps rants saying “BRING IT ON!”, fantasies of driving tanks into the demonstrations, fantasies of murder of all kinds.

There must be hundreds of thousands of these comments. At Breitbart’s sites, Hot Air, Pajamas Media, Free Republic, everywhere. All of them are crammed with violent wingnut fantasies.

Bad Craziness.

This is the closest thing they’ve seen in years to the fantasy of liberals they carry around in their heads. It’s bound to be a little agitating.

84 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:17:01pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

The take away is one guy with a sign?, not those counter demonstrating vociferously or with counter signs?.

kewl.

85 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:19:30pm

G’night all.

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:20:47pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Pics of him first showed up about 2 weeks ago. He had the same sign.

Aha, this one:

The sign is actually different, which is why I failed to remember.

And - we don’t know that he was there “for two weeks”, and if he was, we don’t know that he wasn’t confronted.

87 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:22:48pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the closest thing they’ve seen in years to the fantasy of liberals they carry around in their heads. It’s bound to be a little agitating.

I guess the Code Pink ladies do not fit the bill.

88 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:23:17pm

re: #82 Sergey Romanov

Or is it the same guy who was shouting about Jews and Wall St. in his megaphone?

no he was behind speakers on the stage at one of the general assemblies.

89 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:23:53pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Pics of him first showed up about 2 weeks ago. He had the same sign.

Clearly he is some kind of immortal wizard then. I fear all is lost.

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:24:38pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Clearly he is some kind of immortal wizard then. I fear all is lost.

He probably already put on his robe and wizard hat too.

91 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:25:08pm

re: #68 Charles

Uh, well, yeah, there was a guy with an anti-Zionist sign, but didn’t you notice that they were throwing the bastard out?

I am sure he did. But he chose to ignore it and hoped nobody would catch it and call him on it. Reminds me of someone else. Its name started with a Z

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:25:43pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Video
“Anti-Zionist” sign at Occupy Wall Street

[Video]

I like his flankers.

93 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:27:32pm

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

Aha, this one:

[Video]The sign is actually different, which is why I failed to remember.

And - we don’t know that he was there “for two weeks”, and if he was, we don’t know that he wasn’t confronted.

I think that’s the same guy, I there’s another video of him out there too. It’s nice that people are giving him shit. They might ban him but it’s a pretty open hippy dippy type crowd and that might be too authoritarian for them. We’ll see if he’s still around next week.

94 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:27:52pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Clearly he is some kind of immortal wizard then. I fear all is lost.

there are some other protesters at the OWS rally so i hear, but this one guy seems to have rendered all the rest of them invisible, from some points of view…

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:28:00pm

I dunno, the latest dirt on the #occupy guys was at the (banned from here) Ringo the Gringo’s site. He sure tried to take photos of the worst signs in LA, and yet the worst were about “revolution” and against capitalism. This is the source of this “violent means” video too. Yet no antisemitic signs or signs dealing with I-P in any way.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:29:47pm

re: #87 prairiefire

I guess the Code Pink ladies do not fit the bill.

Well, they showed up for the Tea Party events too.

In their darlin’ little pink tricornes and jackets.

97 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:29:52pm

There are numerous references to “the tree of liberty” in that Pajamas Media thread: The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

Sometimes the Tree of Liberty needs watering with the blood of tyrants and patriots.This may well be one of those times.So be it.


[…]

The Ohio NG was using standard M-2 ball ammo, as per Geneva Conventions.
Cops, and civilians, are not so constrained, and will be using soft-point/hollow-point hunting and self-defense rounds that are much more lethal.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
- Thomas Jefferson

[…]

Looks like I need to go to Walmart and get some more 00 buck for my 870. If they want to attack me here out in the peaceful country of Tidewater Virginia, they will have me and many of my friends who are armed, trained and ready. BTW, 30 years retired military so I have some training with firearms. Thomas Jefferson said that the Tree of Liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with a revolution so bring it, you foolish ones! Vote for Liberty, vote Ron Paul 2012!

98 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:29:52pm

re: #95 Sergey Romanov

I dunno, the latest dirt on the #occupy guys was at the (banned from here) Ringo the Gringo’s site. He sure tried to take photos of the worst signs in LA, and yet the worst were about “revolution” and against capitalism. This is the source of this “violent means” video too. Yet no antisemitic signs or signs dealing with I-P in any way.

I was cautious of the video too because of the source but the video appears unedited and fits in context with other videos of the event. I think it’s real.

99 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:29:52pm

Cain now leads

but just wait until the ceo of little caesar’s gets into the race - he has a $7.98 plan!

100 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:31:17pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I don’t doubt that it’s real but that looks like it isn’t even a stage, just a portable mic set up in some corner, with a really small audience. When they applaud it doesn’t even sound like 100 people.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:31:24pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I’m absolutely not disputing the authenticity of the video. Some of the context is missing however, like, in what part of the event was this taken, was that some local pocket of ANSWER scum or was that the main General Assembly type gathering.

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:32:43pm

re: #97 Charles

Did you notice that this is a post by Zombie? This commie guy is his wet dream.

103 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:33:36pm

re: #97 Charles

There are numerous references to “the tree of liberty” in that Pajamas Media thread: The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

I think that’s why I’m so dismayed by the OWS Protests. They seem pretty widely accepted among liberals despite the radicals and speeches of violent marxist revolution. Combined with the Tea Partiers who’ve been feeding on their own violent extremist rhetoric it’s a bad situation and is only going to lead to trouble. Like the ELD and the Radical British Islamists, only on a larger scale.

104 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:34:02pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

Did you notice that this is a post by Zombie? This commie guy is his wet dream.

Zombie patting his acolyte, Ringo, on the back.

105 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:34:19pm

re: #97 Charles

Looks like I need to go to Walmart and get some more 00 buck for my 870. If they want to attack me here out in the peaceful country of Tidewater Virginia, they will have me and many of my friends who are armed, trained and ready. BTW, 30 years retired military so I have some training with firearms. Thomas Jefferson said that the Tree of Liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with a revolution so bring it, you foolish ones! Vote for Liberty, vote Ron Paul 2012!

Man, there’s some galloping paranoia for you.

Sheah, like Occupy is gonna go to that guy’s house and ‘attack’ him. What makes him so special?

106 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:34:49pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

Did you notice that this is a post by Zombie? This commie guy is his wet dream.

Of course, I noticed. This is a fake outrage. The amp for the mic looks like it’s in a freaking shopping cart.

107 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:35:07pm

When the state censors science, there can be no science. When the truth is purposefully hidden, it always comes out in the end. This time though, there just isn’t time for this nonsense. If the truth is effectively hidden by these types, and it is being subverted by them constantly, when it comes out to the extent that even politicians can no longer deny it, the consequences will already be catastrophic and much too late to prevent much worse.

Perry and his cronies are nothing more or less than slow moving and slow witted, mass murderers with these sorts of actions. The same is true of the entire anti-science wing of the GOP. They are quite without exaggeration the most dangerous, deluded, and potentially lethal politicians in American history.

108 recusancy  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:35:23pm

re: #99 engineer dog

Cain now leads

but just wait until the ceo of little caesar’s gets into the race - he has a $7.98 plan!

Nope. He’s too busy watching his baseball team whoop the Rangers right now. Plus he’s a democrat. And smart.

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:35:29pm

re: #105 makeitstop

Man, there’s some galloping paranoia for you.

Sheah, like Occupy is gonna go to that guy’s house and ‘attack’ him. What makes him so special?

Inflated sense of self-worth? Besides Help, Help, the Leftists are Oppressing Me is a fun game.

110 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:36:06pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

I’m absolutely not disputing the authenticity of the video. Some of the context is missing however, like, in what part of the event was this taken, was that some local pocket of ANSWER scum or was that the main General Assembly type gathering.

I checked that out this morning. If you go over to youtube and watch the other speakers in front of the same banner it seems some kind of formal opening for the rally thanking the various organizers and facilitators. Sort of a commencement type thing.

111 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:38:02pm

re: #97 Charles

There are numerous references to “the tree of liberty” in that Pajamas Media thread: The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

Ohhh look… a bunch of aging, beta male, apes are doing the equivalent of beating their chests and commenting on how large their penis substitutes are.

And this is what America has come to.

112 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:38:49pm

Just listened more closely with the volume up. That applause is coming from about a dozen people, two dozen at the most.

113 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:39:24pm

Occupy LA - 10/01/2011 Another Open Mic Speech.

WWII was orchestrated by the Rothschilds. Bankers make wars.

114 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:39:35pm

re: #112 Charles

Just listened more closely with the volume up. That applause is coming from about a dozen people, two dozen at the most.

Yeah, but they’re the most important, influential two dozen.
///

115 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:41:27pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Occupy LA - 10/01/2011 Another Open Mic Speech.

[Video]WWII was orchestrated by the Rothschilds. Bankers make wars.

There’s a very active group of Larouche followers in LA, who are always stationed outside public places. This smells like their work to me.

116 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:42:00pm

And the amp for the mic IS in a freaking shopping cart.

117 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:42:57pm

And one other thought for the aging, obese, Teabag/gun nut types who like to announce their manly toughness and waggle their little guns…

If it ever did come to a fight between the Bubbas of this nation like them and the educated sorts, well they have Dixie flags, cheap beer and buckshot while we have MIT, Los Alamos, NRL, APL and Princeton.

118 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:43:31pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Occupy LA - 10/01/2011 Another Open Mic Speech.

[Video]WWII was orchestrated by the Rothschilds. Bankers make wars.

War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a booklet, by retired U.S. Marine Major General Smedley D. Butler. In them, Butler frankly discusses from his experience as a career military officer how business interests commercially benefit from warfare.

After he retired from the Marine Corps, Gen. Butler made a nationwide tour in the early 1930s giving his speech “War is a Racket”. The speech was so well received that he wrote a longer version as a small book with the same title that was published in 1935 by Round Table Press, Inc., of New York. The booklet was also condensed in Reader’s Digest as a book supplement which helped popularize his message. In an introduction to the Reader’s Digest version, Lowell Thomas, the “as told to” author of Butler’s oral autobiographical adventures, praised Butler’s “moral as well as physical courage”

In War Is A Racket, Butler points to a variety of examples, mostly from World War I, where industrialists whose operations were subsidised by public funding were able to generate substantial profits essentially from mass human suffering.

The work is divided into five chapters:

War is a racket
Who makes the profits?
Who pays the bills?
How to smash this racket!
To hell with war!

It contains this key summary:

“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.”

In another often cited quote from the book Butler says:

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

en.wikipedia.org

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:43:48pm

re: #116 Charles

And the amp for the mic IS in a freaking shopping cart.

Well, if we say that #O events are grassroots, they do with what they can. So, why not an amp in a cart? That alone doesn’t mean much IMHO.

120 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:44:20pm

re: #115 Charles

There’s a very active group of Larouche followers in LA, who are always stationed outside public places. This smells like their work to me.

The LA protests seem to be the nastiest. I don’t think the situation is going to improve with these rallies. The bad publicity, nutty/violent speeches and signs. ANSWER and code pink organizers. I really don’t see this problem going away.

121 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:45:21pm

re: #14 dragonfire1981

Dumb bigots. H/T OhCrap

122 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:46:29pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

The LA protests seem to be the nastiest. I don’t think the situation is going to improve with these rallies. The bad publicity, nutty/violent speeches and signs. ANSWER and code pink organizers. I really don’t see this problem going away.

you didn’t see where even the fox news poll, among others released today, appears to measure majority support for OWS?

123 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:46:40pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Which protests had ANSWER and Code Pink as organizers?

124 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:47:02pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

The LA protests seem to be the nastiest. I don’t think the situation is going to improve with these rallies. The bad publicity, nutty/violent speeches and signs. ANSWER and code pink organizers. I really don’t see this problem going away.

I will also add that the problem certainly isn’t going to go away unless people speak up. Like those guys in the video confronting the antisemite. Silence is consent.

125 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:47:29pm
126 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:48:14pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

This is close to my home. The Amish were really freaked out.
Amish gangs…WTF !?!?

127 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:49:10pm

re: #125 publicityStunted

Oh look, a debate in which Mitt Romney didn’t do so well ;)

reminds me of the Daily Show. “John McCain has met his toughest debate opponent yet, John McCain.”

128 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:50:39pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Which protests had ANSWER and Code Pink as organizers?

LA protests. and the DC group that shut down the museum.

129 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:50:46pm

re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote

And they are going to “win”. Even if it kills us all.

See ya all in (the) hell (We made) Lizards.

130 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:51:13pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

Well, if we say that #O events are grassroots, they do with what they can. So, why not an amp in a cart? That alone doesn’t mean much IMHO.

The point is that this could be anyone. I don’t think it’s fair to generalize to the thousands of people there, if some crazies set up a crappy PA in a shopping cart and start ranting. You haven’t seen this in New York because there are laws against it; in LA nobody stops anyone from doing this.

It is a problem that so many crazies are showing up, don’t get me wrong. But I just can’t buy into the narrative people like Zombie are pushing. They’re deliberately showing only the very worst examples they can find, very obviously.

131 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:51:21pm

ok, gotta git some work done. BBIAB
/I just don;t want to be accused of dodging questions.

132 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:52:19pm

And they’re not above provoking this stuff themselves. There’s another video on Breitbart.tv today in which the wingnut deliberately taunts, baits, and provokes someone until they try to grab his camera. This is crap.

No left wingers did that kind of stuff to Tea Partiers.

133 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:54:45pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

LA protests. and the DC group that shut down the museum.

Can you provide info about ANSWER or Code Pink organizing the LA protests?

And the DC group— that’s not the same thing as being an organizer of the Occupy protest, is it?

Given that the OWS is the main protest, and there’s lots of other ones, when you talk about the bad publicity for the rallies and then say they were organized by ANSWER and Code Pink, it’s kind of insinuating they all were, or at least OWS.

There’s plenty of room for criticism of them without getting sloppy in accusation. Adbusters as the organizer is bad enough.

134 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:54:52pm

I’ve been kind of tempted to check out the protests here in the DC area but busy times for me.

135 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:55:33pm

re: #132 Charles

No left wingers did that kind of stuff to Tea Partiers.

Sure they did. Just look at this horrible socialist freeloader, sitting there quietly, until the nice teabagger has no choice but to scream and throw things at him 9_9

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:56:53pm

re: #130 Charles

I agree. However I think that when discussing the Tea Party many similar things were said, including pointing out the extreme signs which weren’t necessarily representative of the whole. And call it MBFing, but know that I have zero sympathy for the Tea Party. Their true face was shown when they began to push for the most extreme candidates. It’s more a matter of consistency.

137 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:57:11pm

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

“And one other thought for the aging, obese, Teabag/gun nut types who like to announce their manly toughness and waggle their little guns…

“if it ever did come to a fight between the Bubbas of this nation like them and the educated sorts, well they have Dixie flags, cheap beer and buckshot while we have MIT, Los Alamos, NRL, APL and Princeton.”

And the Librarian at Alexandria had what?

That’s right. Nothing and they burned it and killed her. Hypatia (?) wasn’t it

138 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:57:25pm

re: #135 publicityStunted

Sure they did. Just look at this horrible socialist freeloader, sitting there quietly, until the nice teabagger has no choice but to scream and throw things at him 9_9

[Video]

What a bunch of fucking pricks.

139 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:57:44pm

re: #133 Obdicut

It can’t be a conspiracy if its not monolithic.

140 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:58:19pm

re: #94 engineer dog

there are some other protesters at the OWS rally so i hear, but this one guy seems to have rendered all the rest of them invisible, from some points of view…

I heard on NPR the story of a 70ish lady who showed up in Chicago because she worked for years at a brokerage firm and knew first hand about the free for all. She doesn’t count.

141 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:58:37pm

Another big difference is the median age of the protesters. Teabaggers are about 40 to 50 years older on average. They’re a lot less likely to act out or get exuberant or fly into emotional states, because it’s not safe for them to get their blood pressure up.

142 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 4:58:39pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

I still think that the correct comparison isn’t between the Tea Party and OWS, but the GOP and OWS. The mainstream GOP economic positions are as extreme as those of the fringes at OWS. Maybe more so.

Huntsman, the supposedly reasonable GOP candidate, wants 0% tax on unearned income. 0. That’s leave only labor taxed in the capital/labor scenario.

That, to me, is a very, very extreme economic proposal. Also a disastrous one.

143 Lidane  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:00:31pm

re: #31 Charles

A lot of these commenters write stuff like, “payback is coming sooner than you think.” Just absolutely menacing stuff. None of the admins of these sites are deleting any of this crap.

Why would they? Those posters are saying things they agree with.

144 Ming  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:00:39pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Lyseknoism at work.

Exactly! I think this is the guy you mean (from Wikipedia):
Trofim Denisovich Lysenko (Russian: Трофи́м Дени́сович Лысе́нко, Ukrainian: Трохим Денисович Лисенко, Trochym Denysovyč Lysenko) (September 29 [O.S. September 17] 1898 – November 20, 1976) was a Soviet agronomist of Ukrainian origin, who was director of Soviet biology under Joseph Stalin. Lysenko rejected Mendelian genetics in favor of the hybridization theories of Russian horticulturist Ivan Vladimirovich Michurin, and adopted them into a powerful political-scientific movement termed Lysenkoism. Today much of Lysenko’s agricultural experimentation and research is largely viewed as fraudulent.

Today’s insane right-wing often reminds me of the Soviet Union. I imagine that if they get their way, a 2-page pamphlet titled “Talking Points” will be posted on every street corner, like the 2-page Pravda in “the old days”. Then, all “real Americans” can read “Talking Points”, and know what to say about any issue.

I’m repulsed by the attitude: I’m going to parrot whatever outrageous position you say, and the more outrageous the better, because it lets me demonstrate how loyal I am to our tribe. This pretty much describes today’s religious right.

145 recusancy  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:01:22pm

re: #141 Charles

Another big difference is the median age of the protesters. Teabaggers are about 40 to 50 years older on average. They’re a lot less likely to act out or get exuberant or fly into emotional states, because it’s not safe for them to get their blood pressure up.

Also, it’s tough to egg on obese grandma in her medicare scooter as she rants about government healthcare.

146 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:02:36pm

re: #144 Ming

Yeah. Lysenko was a bunko scientist who the Soviets supported and propagandized for and persecuted scientists who correctly pointed out that his research was crap.

Sort of like the way the GOP rallies around any scientist who’s currently denying global warming.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:05:40pm

re: #146 Obdicut

Interestingly, one of the arguments against “Mendelism-Morganism” was that it was an “impotent” theory - after all, if it’s just about “random” mutations, where’s a chance for creativity, how can a man control nature, how can the crop yields be increased if this theory is true, etc.? The country needs the increased crop yields, Lysenkoism offers increased crop yields, so it must be true. I.e., wishful thinking. What Larry Herzberg was writing about.

148 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:07:24pm

re: #146 Obdicut

Yeah. Lysenko was a bunko scientist who the Soviets supported and propagandized for and persecuted scientists who correctly pointed out that his research was crap.

Sort of like the way the GOP rallies around any scientist who’s currently denying global warming.

Yeah - Lysenko promoted Lamarckian genetics, and was trying to get the entire Russian agricultural industry to follow Lamarck’s discredited ideas. There’s a great book by Stephen Jay Gould that has a chapter on this: Hen’s Teeth and Horse’s Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:08:59pm

One of the best histories of Lysenkoism is by Valery Soyfer. Eng. edn. is Lysenko and the Tragedy of Soviet Science.

150 bubba zanetti  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:09:29pm

re: #145 recusancy

Also, it’s tough to egg on obese grandma in her medicare scooter as she rants about government healthcare.

And with Depends (TM) there’s no need to pee on cop cars.

151 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:11:31pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

He’s been there for at least 2 weeks.

Sorry it took a full fortnight to work on reinventing what could possibly be a new definition of liberalism in America, we’ll work faster next time.

152 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:11:49pm

I’m still thinking this one through. So the Cain supporters could be supporting him because they think another black man has a chance to beat Obama? He’s going to be ok to them because he’s GOP? (no, and thats a mighty large poison pill to swallow for the “win”)

153 allegro  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:15:12pm

re: #152 Stanley Sea

They thought that women would flock to vote for McCain/Palin cuz we think with our pussies or something. Same idea.

154 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:16:07pm

re: #153 allegro


How you doin’?

155 allegro  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:17:04pm

re: #154 Obdicut

How you doin’?

Just groovy thanks.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:19:05pm
157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:23:42pm

re: #154 Obdicut

That was very funny. I laughed very hard. Thank you for that.

158 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:28:51pm

re: #141 Charles

Another big difference is the median age of the protesters. Teabaggers are about 40 to 50 years older on average. They’re a lot less likely to act out or get exuberant or fly into emotional states, because it’s not safe for them to get their blood pressure up.

Not unless they “need” the little blue pill…

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:29:24pm

re: #152 Stanley Sea

I have two very good friends who are Southern White Tea Party dudes.

They’re pulling for Cain with passion. And they mean it.

Not his blackness, however. They think he’s the perfect “Mad as hell and not going to take it anymore” catalyst.

I’m not saying I agree; I am saying that’s where they are.

160 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:29:57pm

re: #153 allegro

Funny, I can’t think of any female, black Republicans off the top of my head…

161 allegro  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:30:22pm

re: #160 OhNoZombies!

Funny, I can’t think of any female, black Republicans off the top of my head…

Condi Rice

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:31:58pm

re: #161 allegro

Condi Rice

Lt Governor of Florida, Carroll is another. As for Cain, I think his appeal is his outsider status (never held office before) and he talks a good game about taxes though his position on sales taxes though I don’t see how at all the 9% sales tax would be appealing.

163 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:32:40pm

Yep, I forgot about her.

164 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:34:51pm

What a lousy 24 hours…
Last night I had the worst Chinese food of my life…Winston wouldn’t even eat his Moo Goo pan…You think you are hungry after eating Chinese food after one hour? Try not eating any.. Now you are hungry..
My Fortune Cookie said.. And I quote..’ You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble’ Really? Again?
Ever have a lousy work day? Everything goes wrong first thing…Sipping coffee wishing i had ate something the night before…Starving…
What a day…Hump day lizards

165 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:35:11pm

Cain

primary season is only a few months away now

if cain is still on top then and wins iowa and/or new hampshire it will be the biggest joke ever played on the poor old gop

BTW, checking in on the freepers i find that they looove the 999 plan - they really like how it raises taxes on those freeloaders making minimum wage

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:35:47pm

re: #130 Charles

It is a problem that so many crazies are showing up, don’t get me wrong. But I just can’t buy into the narrative people like Zombie are pushing. They’re deliberately showing only the very worst examples they can find, very obviously.

That’s how it works, that’s how it’s always worked. When we looked into the Tea Party we looked into the organizers, major participating organizations, leaders etc. But when it came to signs and even speeches we’d highlight the extremist examples to show what kind of thing was being tolerated, accepted and mainstreamed by the movement. Out of hours of speeches we’d focus on the most extreme 5 minutes. Out of thousands of signs, we’d find the most extreme dozen.
Despite the accusations, I never believed that everyone attending a tea party rally was a Bircher extremist. Most weren’t but they were attending rallies, listening to speeches and absorbing the rhetoric of and extremist agenda. Most of them had no clue that the John Birch Society even existed.
I don’t get why there should be a different standard for the OWS rallies. I think it’s important to be critical of the extreme elements especially for those who want the movement to succeed. If the Tea Partiers had worked to keep their house clean the Tea Party could have been a very positive force instead of a destructive one. The lack of criticism against the OWS extremists is one of the leading indicators that it’s going to be a destructive movement.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:36:19pm

re: #160 OhNoZombies!

Condie?

168 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:36:48pm

Gonna google me some black lady repubs.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:36:51pm

re: #160 OhNoZombies!

Funny, I can’t think of any female, black Republicans off the top of my head…

Closet Oprah (who doesn’t want to pay more taxes?)

170 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:37:15pm

re: #165 engineer dog

Cain

primary season is only a few months away now

if cain is still on top then and wins iowa and/or new hampshire it will be the biggest joke ever played on the poor old gop

BTW, checking in on the freepers i find that they looove the 999 plan - they really like how it raises taxes on those freeloaders making minimum wage

At the same time they’re working to get rid of the minimum wage laws.

“Everyone can have a job if we only have to pay them pennies!”
“Good idea, here’s a 20 million dollar bonus. Want a book deal to go with it?”

171 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:38:03pm

It’s official, Cain is serious:

GOP hopeful Herman Cain to meet with Arpaio

PHOENIX — Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio says he’ll meet Monday with Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain before the candidate attends a GOP fundraiser in Phoenix.

Arpaio says Cain will be the fourth GOP presidential candidate who sought his endorsement this year.

The sheriff hasn’t yet endorsed any candidate, but backed Mitt Romney in 2008.

Arpaio met with candidate Michele Bachmann last month and says he spoke on the phone recently with Romney and Rick Perry.

Arpaio says he has talked to them on subjects ranging from military service and family to the sheriff’s jail tents and immigration enforcement.

He says none of the candidates has raised the federal civil rights investigation of Arpaio’s immigration efforts and a federal grand jury that’s investigating allegations that the sheriff’s office abused its powers.

Well, that wouldn’t be very nice when seeking an endorsement, would it.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:38:30pm

re: #168 OhNoZombies!

Gonna google me some black lady repubs.

Is that what they’re calling it these days?

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:39:14pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

It’s official, Cain is serious:

Well, that wouldn’t be very nice when seeking an endorsement, would it.

What a buncha.

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:39:32pm

re: #165 engineer dog

Cain

primary season is only a few months away now

if cain is still on top then and wins iowa and/or new hampshire it will be the biggest joke ever played on the poor old gop

BTW, checking in on the freepers i find that they looove the 999 plan - they really like how it raises taxes on those freeloaders making minimum wage

Gonna love to see how they react when they have to pay a bit more for consumer goods because of Cain’s awesome 9-9-9 tax.

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:39:47pm

re: #164 HoosierHoops

What a lousy 24 hours…
Last night I had the worst Chinese food of my life…Winston wouldn’t even eat his Moo Goo pan…You think you are hungry after eating Chinese food after one hour? Try not eating any.. Now you are hungry..
My Fortune Cookie said.. And I quote..’ You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble’ Really? Again?
Ever have a lousy work day? Everything goes wrong first thing…Sipping coffee wishing i had ate something the night before…Starving…
What a day…Hump day lizards

I feel you. I had one of those too. Pluming leak in the basement took up most of my day. It seems every lighbulb was bunt out, every battery dead, every extension chord 2 inches too short. It all went comically bad when I somehow managed to flip an entire box of qtips into the toilet (after I used it of course).
Just one of those days.

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:40:23pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

It’s official, Cain is serious:

Well, that wouldn’t be very nice when seeking an endorsement, would it.

How nice to see that the GOP candidates are pandering to this proven birther bigot.

177 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:41:21pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

One of the main differences, again, is that the Tea Partiers were, in the mainstream of it, articulating fears and problems that were fictional, that did not exist. Most Tea Party people had an idea that taxes were too high— during a period they were at record lows— that Obama had raised taxes, and all sorts of other misconceptions.

There are certainly ridiculous ideas present in the OWS movement, and plenty of ridiculous solutions. But the main problems that they’re identifying— lack of banking regulation, cosy relationship between government and the financial industry, the corruptive power of money as speech— are very, very real, and some of the largest and most important problems in our political sphere right now.

That, for me, is the biggest difference. I have lots of problems with what a lot of the protesters are protesting, and their plans, and their solutions, etc. But the problems that they’ve identified are quite real.

178 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:42:26pm

re: #160 OhNoZombies!

Funny, I can’t think of any female, black Republicans off the top of my head…

karl rove’s shiny head has been specially designed to reflect light in such a way as to obliterate the memory of any black female republicans

179 Achilles Tang  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:42:30pm

Why would they waste good taxpayer money to commission a report which they clearly think they are capable of writing themselves?

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:44:50pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Also, there is a diff between the extremes of OWS and tea party. Plenty of “revolutionaries” at OWS, just like at TP. But at TP there indeed was an undercurrent of racism. Sorry, I just don’t see it at OWS. Racism is worse than Marxism, though anyone’s mileage may differ. Another thing. John Birch was welcomed at CPAC after the TP grew. When ANSWER is welcomed at any such event (like the Netroots Nation), well, I’ll agree that the left goes to the same crapper the right fell in.

181 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:45:02pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I don’t get why there should be a different standard for the OWS rallies. I think it’s important to be critical of the extreme elements especially for those who want the movement to succeed. If the Tea Partiers had worked to keep their house clean the Tea Party could have been a very positive force instead of a destructive one. The lack of criticism against the OWS extremists is one of the leading indicators that it’s going to be a destructive movement.

I don’t know where you’re seeing a lack of criticism. You’ve got significant numbers of Americans gleefully hoping that these socialist Marxist Commies will give them an excuse to open fire. You’ve got the most powerful media network in the country playing it up as lefty radicals marching to Obama’s orders, milking it for all it’s worth.

Furthermore, your assertion that the Tea Party could have been a positive force is nothing more than romanticised thinking. The very nature of it is negative, and always has been. Not because of racists or violent thugs, though it has its share of those. Not because of some signs. Because the whole idea was built on a sham - indignant, unfocused rage at Democrats and the sheer audacity of a Democrat being President. None of their supposed grievances are actually true. There’s no positivity at all in their anger - it’s just anger because Democrats exist, and they’re mad as hell because their demagogues tell them to be. How could that ever have morphed into a ‘positive force’?

182 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:45:15pm

If I were Oprah I would be.
Honestly, if the Republicans were like they were when I was a kid, I wouldn’t find them so distasteful. But this new shit is, well, some bullshit .

183 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:45:38pm

re: #179 Naso Tang

Why would they waste good taxpayer money to commission a report which they clearly think they are capable of writing themselves?

Why not waste tax payer money? Its a renewable resource.

184 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:46:36pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Out of thousands of signs, we’d find the most extreme dozen

i’ve never cherry picked the tea party - i’m against the whole thing root and branch

if you’d like to know, i think most tea party members are very nice people who are not racists who have been utterly deluded by a well constructed and generously funded fabric of despicable lies, carefully flavored by the best food industry experts to be as easy to swallow as possible

185 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:47:26pm

re: #178 engineer dog

Well thank gods for Karl Rove.
I just threw up a little.

186 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:47:52pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

With the zombie and ringo videos, how many people do you think were even aware it was happening?

When I posted extremist signs from Tea Party events, they were right out in the open with everyone else. And it wasn’t just a few dozen — I have something like 250 photos from those events and could easily have added another 250 while they were going on. The John Birchers and the extreme anti-abortion groups were right there on the stage with top GOP politicians.

Sure, let’s criticize what needs to be criticized, and there’s plenty, but I for one have too much experience with the tactics of zombie and his associates to trust the narrative he’s pushing to the red meat righties.

187 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:48:47pm

re: #164 HoosierHoops

What a lousy 24 hours…
Last night I had the worst Chinese food of my life…Winston wouldn’t even eat his Moo Goo pan…You think you are hungry after eating Chinese food after one hour? Try not eating any.. Now you are hungry..
My Fortune Cookie said.. And I quote..’ You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble’ Really? Again?
Ever have a lousy work day? Everything goes wrong first thing…Sipping coffee wishing i had ate something the night before…Starving…
What a day…Hump day lizards

I can relate.

My wife went out the door to go to work this morning, only to find that she had a flat tire. After changing the flat to a donut (and then promptly losing the wheel lock to her locking lug nut beacuse I’m an idiot), off we went to the tire store. Upon inspecting the non-flat tires on the car, the tire store guy pointed out that the remaining 3 tires were suffering from dry rot.

Bang! &00 bucks later, my wife’s got a new set of tires, we both missed a half day’s work (which I am currently making up in between checking in here), and I have to go to the Ford dealer tomorrow to produce a VIN# and get a replacement wheel lock.

188 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:48:51pm

re: #177 Obdicut

I don’t see that distinction. The Tea Party was born from the same populist anger. Opposing TARP, Bailouts, ineffective stimulus, housing crisis, etc. They just approached the problem from from a faulty perspective. I think the OWS, just like the Tea Party, is based in legitimate concern and anger but they’re equally flawed in their approach.
The rallies are going to accomplish nothing aside from possibly spawning more protests. They aren’t interested in solutions, they’re interested in marches.

189 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:48:54pm

re: #184 engineer dog

i’ve never cherry picked the tea party - i’m against the whole thing root and branch

if you’d like to know, i think most tea party members are very nice people who are not racists who have been utterly deluded by a well constructed and generously funded fabric of despicable lies, carefully flavored by the best food industry experts to be as easy to swallow as possible

The sad thing is some of the same purveyors of those same lies are now seeking and getting the attention of the OWS crowd. (I’m looking at you, Paulbots.)

190 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:49:45pm

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lol, gross.
I’m into Obama porn.
// kind of

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:49:59pm

(BTW, I like the discussion in this thread. That’s how it should’ve been all along.)

192 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:50:14pm

re: #184 engineer dog

i’ve never cherry picked the tea party - i’m against the whole thing root and branch.

As am I. I never believed it could be a positive force, and I wasn’t wrong.

193 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:51:28pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

I don’t see that distinction. The Tea Party was born from the same populist anger. Opposing TARP, Bailouts, ineffective stimulus, housing crisis, etc. They just approached the problem from from a faulty perspective. I think the OWS, just like the Tea Party, is based in legitimate concern and anger but they’re equally flawed in their approach.
The rallies are going to accomplish nothing aside from possibly spawning more protests. They aren’t interested in solutions, they’re interested in marches.

No, it really wasn’t. It was born because powerful cult media demagogues egged it on. Willing cultists were fed the things they should be angry about, and the whole country agreed to pretend more or less that they were real.

194 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:51:40pm

re: #191 Sergey Romanov

(BTW, I like the discussion in this thread. That’s how it should’ve been all along.)

Well, now that it’s going so well…

Later, lizards.

195 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:52:03pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party was born from the same populist anger

i learned a great new word from ghost of a flea last week:

kayfabe

196 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:52:27pm

re: #192 Charles

As am I. I never believed it could be a positive force, and I wasn’t wrong.

That’s because the wingnuts didn’t care. They made excuses and deflected blame for the extremists. They wanted to rally and didn’t care. I see the exact same thing with OWS.

197 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:52:47pm

re: #184 engineer dog

i’ve never cherry picked the tea party - i’m against the whole thing root and branch

I was willing to give it a chance, but it failed badly. I’m willing to give OWS a chance.

198 garhighway  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:53:33pm

re: #193 Renaissance_Man

No, it really wasn’t. It was born because powerful cult media demagogues egged it on. Willing cultists were fed the things they should be angry about, and the whole country agreed to pretend more or less that they were real.

You mean that grassroots and astroturf aren’t the same thing? Gee.

199 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:55:29pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

you’re learning the wrong lesson from the whole thing then.

In the TP the nuts were a sidenote to an extremely negative, hurtful, retrograde message (and in my opinion more than a little racist, but yeah opinion).

In OWS the nuts are a sidenote to highlighting the need to reform a system that desperately needs massive reform.

200 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:55:33pm

re: #181 Renaissance_Man

Because the whole idea was built on a sham - indignant, unfocused rage at Democrats and the sheer audacity of a Democrat being President. None of their supposed grievances are actually true.

Not to mention that it was a ‘populist’ movement bankrolled by lobbyists and former GOP Congress-vultures.

Fake to its core. OWS may have some ‘extremists’ (big fucking surprisae - they’ve been showing up at liberal demonstrations for years), but I’ve yet to see sinister big-bucks donors pulling the puppet strings.

Maybe I’m not squinting hard enough.
/

201 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:55:51pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

I’m getting more and more inclined to go to Occupy LA with a couple cameras and see what there is to see and hear what there is to hear for myself. I was going to go out Sunday for a session, may as well pick O LA for my subject.

I’d hope to bring a less loaded point of view to an essay, driven by what I learn there.

202 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 5:56:02pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

I don’t see that distinction. The Tea Party was born from the same populist anger. Opposing TARP, Bailouts, ineffective stimulus, housing crisis, etc.

I don’t think they were protesting those things so much as using them as elements to protest Obama and minorities and Democrats in general, though.

They just approached the problem from from a faulty perspective. I think the OWS, just like the Tea Party, is based in legitimate concern and anger but they’re equally flawed in their approach.

I don’t think the Tea Parties were based in legitimate concerns, though. Most of their complaints that were true had been true for a long time. Most of their complaints that were new were untrue. I don’t think there’s any comparison there.

The rallies are going to accomplish nothing aside from possibly spawning more protests. They aren’t interested in solutions, they’re interested in marches.

Probably.

203 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:00:25pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

That’s because the wingnuts didn’t care. They made excuses and deflected blame for the extremists. They wanted to rally and didn’t care. I see the exact same thing with OWS.

I don’t agree. I see a lot of criticism and skepticism about OWS on Twitter from the smart lefties I follow, with cautious support for the overall concept. There’s a much higher degree of awareness and non-denial about the extremist groups than I ever saw from a Tea Partier.

For just one example out of many, read this: mahablog.com

204 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:01:52pm

re: #202 Obdicut

I don’t think the Tea Parties were based in legitimate concerns, though. Most of their complaints that were true had been true for a long time. Most of their complaints that were new were untrue. I don’t think there’s any comparison there.

This. Remember questioning why the tea party didn’t protest Geo. W. Bush? All of a sudden they were concerned.

205 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:02:35pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

There are people who would bet real money that Cain will be the TPGOP candidate. I’ve got to meet some of them and finance my next trip to Venice.

I figure it’s Romney. But if you’ll give me 100 to 1 odds, I’ll take Cain. If the man is leading in the polls, he has some sort of chance.

206 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:02:52pm

re: #203 Charles

For all the discussion and views through various media/net/blogger outlets, perhaps this link is worthwhile. Time to take a fair look from top to bottom.

occupylosangeles.org

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:03:08pm

re: #203 Charles

Heh. As a side note, I think Maha still believes that the CBS “memos” were genuine.

208 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:05:00pm

re: #193 Renaissance_Man

No, it really wasn’t. It was born because powerful cult media demagogues egged it on. Willing cultists were fed the things they should be angry about, and the whole country agreed to pretend more or less that they were real.

Actually, it’s a yes and no.

There was, and is, an underlying anger. A lot of them were losing when the great american dream - and their parents - said they should be winning. Your kids should be better off than you, not moving back in along with their kids. You shouldn’t have to take a job as a greeter at Wal-mart to make your retirement check, or social security check, cover the whole month.

It’s just that their rage got hi-jacked. Because of their biases they were willingly misdirected at non-whites and immigrants and liberals and gubmint with its taxes and…

They are, and were, part of the 99%. Just because you can’t fool all the people all the time doesn’t mean you can’t fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. They got fooled. Some will realize it, others won’t.

209 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:05:10pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

I don’t see that distinction. The Tea Party was born from the same populist anger. Opposing TARP, Bailouts, ineffective stimulus, housing crisis, etc.

The tea party was a bunch of people pissed off that the President was black, everything else was camouflage and window dressing. Everything they espoused ran counter to the actual evidence, that too much regulation caused the crisis, that stimulus is inherently ineffective except when it’s military spending, that minority loans caused the banks to fail. They were, and are, a people whose own party had presided over a hat trick of the biggest foreign policy, military and economic blunders in living memory, and who couldn’t handle the truth.

210 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:05:13pm

re: #203 Charles

I don’t agree. I see a lot of criticism and skepticism about OWS on Twitter from the smart lefties I follow, with cautious support for the overall concept. There’s a much higher degree of awareness and non-denial about the extremist groups than I ever saw from a Tea Partier.

For just one example out of many, read this: [Link: www.mahablog.com…]

And anyone on the Right who criticized the Tea Party (David Frum, for instance) was forced to quickly walk it back.

Liberals are far more skeptical about OWS that than conservatives were about the Tea Party. As many have already pointed out, the crazy Tea Party ideas have actually become the basis of a lot of GOP policy, such as it is.

211 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:07:34pm

re: #199 windsagio

you’re learning the wrong lesson from the whole thing then.

In the TP the nuts were a sidenote to an extremely negative, hurtful, retrograde message (and in my opinion more than a little racist, but yeah opinion).

In OWS the nuts are a sidenote to highlighting the need to reform a system that desperately needs massive reform.

The biggest needed reform is one that has no support on either side of the aisle: and end to gerrymandering and the construction of safe congressional districts.

The drawing of districts ought to be delegated to impersonal rules that simply construct the partition of the state into the required number of districts in a way that respects city limits, natural boundaries such as rivers, and stuff like that, and generally tries to make the overall amount of border mileage minimal.

That way, congressmen would, many of them, have to live in districts that were neither safely democrat, nor safely republican, but just the luck of the draw. It would hardly be possible in this kind of a setting for most of the congress to win reelection handily, while at the same time, most voters held the rest of congress in contempt.

212 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:07:40pm

re: #205 lostlakehiker

I figure it’s Romney. But if you’ll give me 100 to 1 odds, I’ll take Cain. If the man is leading in the polls, he has some sort of chance.

The only reason he’s leading is because few people realize that his 9-9-9 plan completely defunds and destroys Social Security and Medicare.

213 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:08:40pm

Death toll in Seal Beach shooting now stands at 8.

214 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:10:21pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

The only reason he’s leading is because few people realize that his 9-9-9 plan completely defunds and destroys Social Security and Medicare.

Thats not a bug, thats a feature.

215 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:11:12pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

They were, and are, a people whose own party had presided over a hat trick of the biggest foreign policy, military and economic blunders in living memory, and who couldn’t handle the truth.

oh so well said.

216 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:11:17pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Death toll in Seal Beach shooting now stands at 8.

Suspect is Scott DeKraii of Long Beach.

Eight people were killed and one critically wounded Wednesday afternoon when a heavily armed gunman wearing body armor opened fire at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, police said.

Shortly after the shootings, a white male suspect—who had weapons strewn across the floorboard of his white truck and guns strapped to his body—was arrested without incident half a mile from the scene, police and witnesses said.

The alleged gunman was the ex-husband of a salon employee named Michelle, according to the husband of another employee who survived the shooting unharmed after locking herself inside a back room. Another source identified the suspect as Scott DeKraii of Long Beach, who worked in sportfishing.

217 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:12:22pm

If the Tea party was sincere, their collective heads should have exploded when Cheney said deficits don’t matter.
Lately the only criticism I see (when I go to Frum Forum etc.)about BushII’s adminsawas that it was his fault the black guy got elected.

Oh, I went to National Black Republicans.com…
I just don’t get it.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:12:27pm

re: #201 Rightwingconspirator

I’m getting more and more inclined to go to Occupy LA with a couple cameras and see what there is to see and hear what there is to hear for myself. I was going to go out Sunday for a session, may as well pick O LA for my subject.

I’d hope to bring a less loaded point of view to an essay, driven by what I learn there.

Would be a great idea. I, for one, trust you.

219 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:16:16pm

The teaparty was explicitly blaming democrats for Bushes failed policies. OWS is blaming wall street for wall streets failed policies. A huge, factually unbalanced difference.

220 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:16:34pm

re: #216 Gus 802

Another source identified the suspect as Scott DeKraii of Long Beach, who worked in sportfishing

He must have heard that Obama is banning all sportfishing.

/

222 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:18:00pm

re: #219 Amory Blaine

The teaparty was explicitly blaming democrats for Bushes failed policies. OWS is blaming wall street for wall streets failed policies. A huge, factually unbalanced difference.

But the TP always talks about personal responsibility… for other people’s problems.

223 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:19:22pm

re: #220 Obdicut

He must have heard that Obama is banning all sportfishing.

/

SCOTT DEKRAAI, (Zip code: 92649) $300 to STOP THIS INSANITY INC on 08/09/10

Read more: city-data.com

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:20:11pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Was involved in some incident in 2007:

Her injured co-worker, Scott Dekraai, 38, of Long Beach was undergoing treatment for a broken leg and other injuries.

County firefighters, sheriff’s deputies and U.S. Coast Guard officers responded to the calls for help about 11 a.m. Marina del Rey sheriff’s Sgt. Chris Tatar said the tug operators had released one rope from the larger vessel and were in the process of releasing the second rope when “one of the lines pinched one of the victims.”

“While in the process of dealing with that line, it somehow swung across where she was standing and pinched her and killed her,” Tatar said.

The line then struck Dekraai.

Earlier reports Tuesday indicated the line had snapped, but that was not the case, authorities said.

Cameron was in cardiac arrest when firefighters arrived. Lifeguards transported her to the Marina del Rey dock and then she was taken to the Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center Marina Campus in Marina del Rey, where doctors pronounced her dead.

225 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:20:25pm

re: #220 Obdicut

He must have heard that Obama is banning all sportfishing.

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226 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:20:52pm

re: #219 Amory Blaine

The teaparty was explicitly blaming democrats for Bushes failed policies. OWS is blaming wall street for wall streets failed policies. A huge, factually unbalanced difference.

I missed the mass of signs at teaparty rallies showing Bush with a bone in his nose.

227 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:01pm

re: #224 Sergey Romanov

Was involved in some incident in 2007:

Saw that.

228 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:09pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

The sad thing is some of the same purveyors of those same lies are now seeking and getting the attention of the OWS crowd. (I’m looking at you, Paulbots.)

Playing both sides against the middle…

229 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:17pm

re: #223 Gus 802

SCOTT DEKRAAI, (Zip code: 92649) $300 to STOP THIS INSANITY INC on 08/09/10

Read more: [Link: www.city-data.com…]

freerepublic.com

My name is Todd Cefaratti and I am the executive director of the national nonprofit organization Stop This Insanity Inc. We are a national tea party organization under the dba of jointheteaparty.us and theteaparty.net .

230 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:30pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

The only reason he’s leading is because few people realize that his 9-9-9 plan completely defunds and destroys Social Security and Medicare.

That sort of stuff is why I want 100 to 1 odds. That, and his lack of seasoning in the political arena, make his candidacy quite a long shot, despite the strong showing for the time being.

I don’t see why the new tax structure would have to mean a complete end to those programs. They could be funded, to some extent, out of the general revenue.

Those programs are in trouble with or without Cain’s tax suggestions being written into law.

The Obama administration, right now, is partially defunding social security with its nominally temporary reductions in SS rates. How likely is it that the previous rates can be reinstated? Even if this near-recession eventually steers clear of a double dip and winds down, even if per capita GDP eventually perks up, the secular trend toward higher earnings for the particularly skilled, the ones qualified to work for Siemens in mfg, the ones qualified to be engineers or executives etc., and lower earnings for everybody whose job has disappeared as computers revolutionize the economy, will continue. The ongoing failure of so many of our schools just exacerbates this.

(Some high skill jobs are going to be disappearing too, e.g. the MD’s who screen pathology slides for cancer. There’s software coming that can do that.) So, with an accelerating trend towards real, before tax, earnings being higher for some, and lower for most, reinstating a tax that falls equally on all except the rich, and less heavily on them, figures to be politically impossible.

So social security intake will fall further behind its currently scheduled outlays. Outlays will have to be cut, either across the board, or through means testing, or both.

231 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:21:41pm

re: #223 Gus 802

SCOTT DEKRAAI, (Zip code: 92649) $300 to STOP THIS INSANITY INC on 08/09/10

Read more: [Link: www.city-data.com…]

FEC filing:

images.nictusa.com

232 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:22:10pm

Hazah! I just managed to beat Frozen Throne on normal!

Now I’m off to replay Reign of Chaos on Hard and then do the same thing with Frozen Throne.

Well actually I’m probably gonna relax with Mythbusters and you guys for the rest of the night…

233 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:22:16pm

re: #229 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

Arms cache. Body armor. Starting to see something here.

234 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:22:49pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Saw that.

Basically, a fishing boat accident. (I didn’t read all the way through)

235 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:22:51pm

re: #232 jamesfirecat

A fancy name you’ve got for the Siberian Crapper…

236 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:24:09pm

re: #164 HoosierHoops

What a lousy 24 hours…
Last night I had the worst Chinese food of my life…Winston wouldn’t even eat his Moo Goo pan…You think you are hungry after eating Chinese food after one hour? Try not eating any.. Now you are hungry..
My Fortune Cookie said.. And I quote..’ You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble’ Really? Again?
Ever have a lousy work day? Everything goes wrong first thing…Sipping coffee wishing i had ate something the night before…Starving…
What a day…Hump day lizards

Today I fabricated the top rounds and eye of rounds from multiple legs of lamb.

And I shredded mucho carne asada for the Latin Quarter folks.

:)

237 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:24:26pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

Basically, a fishing boat accident. (I didn’t read all the way through)

Tug boat. A woman captain (one of the first) was pinched between the rope and the other vessel and died. He apparently had some serious injuries (i.e. broken leg, etc.).

239 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:24:55pm

re: #229 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

I found a few articles complaining they got bilked and the guy took their money, sent them a cheap “Tea Party Kit” and they never heard from him again.

240 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:26:03pm

re: #203 Charles

I don’t agree. I see a lot of criticism and skepticism about OWS on Twitter from the smart lefties I follow, with cautious support for the overall concept. There’s a much higher degree of awareness and non-denial about the extremist groups than I ever saw from a Tea Partier.

For just one example out of many, read this: [Link: www.mahablog.com…]

Towards the end of the Bush era I recall seeing some soul searching among the KosKidz about the problems caused by forming alliances with Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, etc. I don’t think they learned their lesson.

241 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:27:21pm

re: #236 eclectic infidel

Starving. Yeah, I’m not. But going out for Phở.

242 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:27:53pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Tug boat. A woman captain (one of the first) was pinched between the rope and the other vessel and died. He apparently had some serious injuries (i.e. broken leg, etc.).

fuck

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:28:09pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

Starving. Yeah, I’m not. But going out for Phở.

How does one properly pronounce “ở”?

244 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:28:52pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

Starving. Yeah, I’m not. But going out for Phở.

Mmmm i love my bowl filled with fresh basil leaves. i wrap em around the meats and bits.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:29:29pm

re: #244 Amory Blaine

Mmmm i love my bowl filled with fresh basil leaves. i wrap em around the meats and bits.

Food erotica.

246 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:29:41pm

I also think that after years of laughing at Glenn Beck for his crazy theories about communist plots it blows away a lot of credibility to endorse rallies organized by Marxists hosting speakers preaching violent Marxist revolution. We’ve all become used to the stupid iconography of Che T-shirts but advocating marxist revolt is a bit much.

247 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:30:02pm

re: #243 Sergey Romanov

How does one properly pronounce “ở”?

FA

248 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:30:16pm

re: #245 Sergey Romanov

I used to smoke.

249 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:30:39pm

re: #247 Stanley Sea

FA

Oh.

250 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:30:46pm

re: #245 Sergey Romanov

Food erotica.

I thought that’s what beef jerky is for.

251 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:30:57pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I also think that after years of laughing at Glenn Beck for his crazy theories about communist plots it blows away a lot of credibility to endorse rallies organized by Marxists hosting speakers preaching violent Marxist revolution. We’ve all become used to the stupid iconography of Che T-shirts but advocating marxist revolt is a bit much.

JESUS CRISTO

(prounounced hey sues)

252 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:31:00pm
253 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:31:17pm

re: #247 Stanley Sea

So ở is ah? Heh.

254 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:32:02pm

re: #78 Atlas Fails

I wouldn’t worry too much about that. The tide is turning fast on things like marriage equality, and Bush’s wars are already being decried by both parties. Most economists have favorable opinions of the stimulus, with the main complaint being that it was too small.

Oh, and it’s going to be tough to deny AGW much longer.

That was what James Hansen was saying, in a recent interview. He said that the deniers were winning the battle for public opinion; they had the money and the professional skills and the scientists were just outgunned.

Asked what might turn the tide, he said, effectively, reality. That we were getting something like 10% of the earth experiencing some sort of extreme climate-related condition, at any given time, and it used to be 1 percent.

Texas this summer has been instructive. As in, several more days above 100 than previously recorded. So dry we got wildfires even East of I35. Brutal on ranchers and crops.

And this from what figures to be the first year of a multi-year drought.

And Texas is not alone.

255 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:32:24pm

re: #253 Sergey Romanov

So ở is ah? Heh.

All I know is Pho is pronounced “FA” and its so damn good.

256 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:32:27pm

re: #252 Gus 802

Here’s the suspect vehicle.

Here’s the address match from the FEC on Google Maps

Same truck.

We got a match.

Google fu!

Kwa!

257 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:32:44pm

re: #230 lostlakehiker

So social security intake will fall further behind its currently scheduled outlays. Outlays will have to be cut, either across the board, or through means testing, or both.

Naw, just eliminate the salary cap, problem solved.

258 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:33:28pm

re: #253 Sergey Romanov


One of my favorite names, which I’m using in my book, is the Icelandic name Urður.

Cannot really be pronounced by any non-Icelander.

forvo.com

259 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:33:47pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

You know why GB theories are crazy? Not because various commie radicals don’t exist. They obviously do. That’s because he thinks they not only matter, but actually influence the Obama admin. Freaks that inevitably were drawn to OWS (and I don’t mean here that OWS consists of freaks) do not make Glenn Beck right.

260 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:33:53pm

re: #256 Gus 802

So a Tea Partier did a massacre.

Now, is there anything notable about the place he shot up?

261 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:35:10pm

Ởởởởởởh!

262 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:35:31pm
263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:36:31pm

re: #258 Obdicut

One of my favorite names, which I’m using in my book, is the Icelandic name Urður.

Cannot really be pronounced by any non-Icelander.

[Link: www.forvo.com…]

Doesn’t sound complicated.

264 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:37:32pm

re: #260 ProLifeLiberal

So a Tea Partier did a massacre.

Now, is there anything notable about the place he shot up?

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions yet. But he did contribute 300 bucks to a Tea Party group (allegedly a scam).

265 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:04pm

re: #263 Sergey Romanov

That little half-throaty quaver at the end is pretty hard; but you’re right, obviously I should have just said hard to pronounce for an english-speaker.

266 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:14pm

re: #258 Obdicut

One of my favorite names, which I’m using in my book, is the Icelandic name Urður.

Cannot really be pronounced by any non-Icelander.

[Link: www.forvo.com…]

Remember when Reine posted the sound of the volcano in Iceland? I probably listened to it 400 times. I got close to correct prounounciation (for a minute)

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:38:33pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Exactly. We’re all about “jumping to conclusions” lately… OWS and what not. Let’s give everybody a fair treatment and also - 48h rule.

268 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:39:25pm

re: #267 Sergey Romanov

Hell, maybe he was mad about getting ripped off. Maybe he’d gotten a painful bikini wax.

I’m sure more will come out.

269 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:39:47pm

re: #267 Sergey Romanov

Fair enough. I did hear something about a lost custody battle with a former wife who worked at that place.

270 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:07pm

re: #267 Sergey Romanov

Exactly. We’re all about “jumping to conclusions” lately… OWS and what not. Let’s give everybody a fair treatment and also - 48h rule.

I’m pretty confident about the name, address, and FEC report though. That’s a perfect match on the FEC address and the suspect vehicle from today. Same Toyota PU with the same roof rack.

271 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:16pm
272 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:40:46pm

re: #263 Sergey Romanov

Doesn’t sound complicated.

Canadians pronounce about as aboot. Americans pronounce it as abuht. Can you imagine either pronouncing any non-english word accurately?

273 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:57pm

re: #270 Gus 802

I’m pretty confident about the name, address, and FEC report though. That’s a perfect match on the FEC address and the suspect vehicle from today. Same Toyota PU with the same roof rack.

There’s also a late model white Prius in both the Google maps and in the LA Times photo spread.

274 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:42:59pm

re: #272 b_sharp

Canadians pronounce about as aboot. Americans pronounce it as abuht. Can you imagine either pronouncing any non-english word accurately?

Well, I once raised a topic about “non-phonetic” spelling here.

I mean, whenever a Latin script is used in another language, even if heavily modified, like Vietnamese, you guys just use the names as they are. Which leaves the question of how to pronounce each given name properly completely open.

275 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:44:33pm

re: #258 Obdicut

One of my favorite names, which I’m using in my book, is the Icelandic name Urður.

Cannot really be pronounced by any non-Icelander.

[Link: www.forvo.com…]

No. Way.
I listened twice, and still couldn’t catch the sounds or the order.
I’m not even sure my face could make the right contortions I would need to make those sounds.

276 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:45:55pm

re: #274 Sergey Romanov

Well, I once raised a topic about “non-phonetic” spelling here.

I mean, whenever a Latin script is used in another language, even if heavily modified, like Vietnamese, you guys just use the names as they are. Which leaves the question of how to pronounce each given name properly completely open.

GOP Candidates pronounced “Lying cocksuckers”

277 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:46:29pm

re: #272 b_sharp

Canadians pronounce about as aboot. Americans pronounce it as abuht. Can you imagine either pronouncing any non-english word accurately?

And suthreners say: abayout. Three full and distinct syllables.
teehee.

278 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:46:48pm

re: #271 OhNoZombies!

Almost poetic if it wasn’t so insane.

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:47:40pm

Heh, btw I didn’t know that Icelandic “u” is like Russian “y” (don’t ask, you don’t have this sound ;). For “ooh” they have ú.

280 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:50:29pm

Although I’m sure I know what Michelle Malkin would be doing if she found the information I just found only on the other side of the aisle so to speak.

281 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:50:53pm

re: #269 ProLifeLiberal

Fair enough. I did hear something about a lost custody battle with a former wife who worked at that place.

I always default to family violence. As the police know, that’s usually the prob.

282 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:53:22pm

re: #274 Sergey Romanov

Well, I once raised a topic about “non-phonetic” spelling here.

I mean, whenever a Latin script is used in another language, even if heavily modified, like Vietnamese, you guys just use the names as they are. Which leaves the question of how to pronounce each given name properly completely open.

We tend to phonetically pronounce foreign words. We have a nearby town called Marquis, which we pronounce ‘markwis’, we have people who get all snarky when foreign names are pronounced as they are in the natural language. But if you mispronounce their name, ooh boy.

283 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:54:18pm

re: #279 Sergey Romanov

Heh, btw I didn’t know that Icelandic “u” is like Russian “y” (don’t ask, you don’t have this sound ;). For “ooh” they have ú.

Pfft, you Russians with your fancy easter eggs and two kinds of “sh.” We Americans cain’t be bothered learnin’ the various pronunciations of the heathen with their strange diacritics and miscegenated vowels.

284 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:55:25pm

re: #282 b_sharp

How do you pronounce Lech Wałęsa?

285 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:56:00pm

re: #272 b_sharp

Canadians pronounce about as aboot.

I’ve lived here (Ontario) almost all my life, and the only place I’ve ever heard that alleged pronunciation is South Park Terrence and Phillip episodes.

286 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:56:13pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

I never thought of щ as another kind of ш, but whatever ;)

287 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:25pm

re: #284 Sergey Romanov

How do you pronounce Lech Wałęsa?

Lek Well es a

288 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:29pm

re: #284 Sergey Romanov

How do you pronounce Lech Wałęsa?

Whenever I heard it on the news, it sounded like “Leck Valenza”

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:57:42pm

re: #285 publicityStunted

I’ve lived here (Ontario) almost all my life, and the only place I’ve ever heard that alleged pronunciation is South Park Terrence and Phillip episodes.

Hmm. Next thing you will say that Canadians’ heads don’t really consist of two unconnected parts. Yeah, as if I’d believe you.

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:58:08pm

re: #288 publicityStunted

Whenever I heard it on the news, it sounded like “Leck Valenza”

Hooray! At least the second part is right ;)

291 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:58:48pm

re: #285 publicityStunted

I’ve lived here (Ontario) almost all my life, and the only place I’ve ever heard that alleged pronunciation is South Park Terrence and Phillip episodes.

Heh truth be told it’s hard for me to figure out a Canadian accent. Your accents aren’t as blatant as British and Australian ones. I guess that’s why Americans are able to get away with pretending to be Canadians with some ease since there’s not much work in changing one’s speech patterns unless that person has an extremely regional US accent e.g. south.

292 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:06pm

re: #290 Sergey Romanov

Hooray! At least the second part is right ;)

Where does the “n” sound come from though?? That’s what always threw me when I compared what I heard to how it was spelled.

293 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 6:59:15pm

re: #285 publicityStunted

I’ve lived here (Ontario) almost all my life, and the only place I’ve ever heard that alleged pronunciation is South Park Terrence and Phillip episodes.

Shhh. You’re damaging a myth Canadian comedians have been working to create for decades.

294 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:00:16pm

re: #292 publicityStunted

Where does the “n” sound come from though?? That’s what always threw me when I compared what I heard to how it was spelled.

ę is a nasal vowel, “en”/”em”.
ą - “on”/”om”

295 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:00:50pm

re: #285 publicityStunted

I’ve lived here (Ontario) almost all my life, and the only place I’ve ever heard that alleged pronunciation is South Park Terrence and Phillip episodes.

I’m from Manitoba and my whole family says aboot, and worse, filim for film.

296 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:01:08pm

Bingo.

Tea Party license plate frame.

presstelegram.com

Suspect vehicle.

297 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:02:17pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Heh truth be told it’s hard for me to figure out a Canadian accent. Your accents aren’t as blatant as British and Australian ones. I guess that’s why Americans are able to get away with pretending to be Canadians with some ease since there’s not much work in changing one’s speech patterns unless that person has an extremely regional US accent e.g. south.

Most of the American speaking actors are actually Canadian or Australian.

298 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:02:18pm

re: #295 mracb

I’m from Manitoba and my whole family says aboot, and worse, filim for film.

filim? I had a professor from Belfast who said that.

299 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:02:21pm
300 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:48pm

re: #297 b_sharp

Most of the American speaking actors are actually Canadian or Australian.

I’ve been of the long observed mindset that Canadians, Australians, Brits, Irish, etc can imitate Americans better than we can vice versa. The thing that most impressed me about Christian Bale’s temper tantrum a couple years back was that he didn’t revert back to his natural Welsh accent at all during the whole exchange.

301 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:03:52pm

Hold on tight!

302 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:07pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Suspect…

Image: 31a0dc1cf3d96716fb0e6a706700761d.jpg

What a fricken boob.

303 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:23pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Bingo.

Tea Party license plate frame.

[Link: www.presstelegram.com…]

Suspect vehicle.

Wait. It’s his?

304 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:24pm

One word : manzier

305 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:26pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Suspect…

Image: 31a0dc1cf3d96716fb0e6a706700761d.jpg

Man-bra…stat!

306 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:35pm

re: #303 Sergey Romanov

Wait. It’s his?

Yep.

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:04:42pm

re: #302 b_sharp

What a fricken boob.

And hairy…

308 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:07pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Yep.

Well, at least we know he *was* serious about this.

309 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:30pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Yep.

Great sleuthing.

310 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:47pm

re: #304 OhNoZombies!

One word : manzier

Beat me by two seconds.

311 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:05:56pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Suspect…

Image: 31a0dc1cf3d96716fb0e6a706700761d.jpg

You owe me brain bleach *_*

re: #302 b_sharp

What a fricken bmoob.

Fixed.

312 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:06:34pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Bingo.

Tea Party license plate frame.

[Link: www.presstelegram.com…]

Suspect vehicle.

Uh oh. Wingnut storm of denial approaching.

Write this up, with pics, and you have a front page promotion…

313 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:06:43pm

re: #304 OhNoZombies!

One word : manzier

No, we’ll call it “The bro!”

314 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:07:13pm

re: #304 OhNoZombies!

One word : manzier

The Bro!!

Sry

315 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:07:51pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Bingo.

Tea Party license plate frame.

[Link: www.presstelegram.com…]

Suspect vehicle.

Wait… why are there fish swimming towards the viewer on a tea party license plate?

316 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:08:17pm

re: #277 reine.de.tout

And suthreners say: abayout. Three full and distinct syllables.
teehee.

Ssounds like my in-laws. Around here, we pronounce it uhbowt.

317 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:08:50pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Wait… why are there fish swimming towards the viewer on a tea party license plate?

They look like piranhas to me. Maybe the piranha is the political animal of the TP?

318 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:00pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Wait… why are there fish swimming towards the viewer on a tea party license plate?

Sport fisherman plate of sorts.

319 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:32pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Wait… why are there fish swimming towards the viewer on a tea party license plate?

They looked like blue whales to me. As if he pilfered a “Save the Whales” license plate and replaced the last two words with “America”.

320 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:09:43pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Suspect…

Image: 31a0dc1cf3d96716fb0e6a706700761d.jpg

He just looks so pathetic, too pathetic even. I don’t like feeling sorry for some ass neck who put on body armor before shooting up a salon full of ladies getting their hair done.

321 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:12pm

re: #310 darthstar

Beat me by two seconds.

I beat you both by 17 seconds.

322 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:41pm

Are those piranha on the front license plate?

323 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:43pm

Jointheteaparty dot us links to teaparty dot net. Jointheteaparty dot com links to some kind of exercise machine with a woman in spandex next to it…just in case someone was looking for those sites.

324 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:46pm

Aren’t California front license plates supposed to have numbers instead of fish?

325 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:10:59pm

Obviously, he set the whole thing up specifically to make the TP look bad.

326 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:21pm

re: #321 b_sharp

:p

327 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:28pm

I think they are piranha. Compare: google.com

328 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:36pm

re: #322 Charles

Are those piranha on the front license plate?

Blue fins?

329 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:11:40pm

re: #325 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously, he set the whole thing up specifically to make the TP look bad.

Obviously.

330 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:12:11pm

re: #312 Charles

Uh oh. Wingnut storm of denial approaching.

Write this up, with pics, and you have a front page promotion…

Might take me about 30 minutes.

331 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:12:30pm

re: #329 Sergey Romanov

Obviously.

Liberal plants are just too smart.

332 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:14:08pm

re: #331 b_sharp

Liberal plants are just too smart.

Right now we’re in Bryan Fischer’s brain suggesting stupid and outlandish things for him to say. So if you hear Bryan blaming homosexuality for Maoism you know why.

333 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:14:21pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Wait… why are there fish swimming towards the viewer on a tea party license plate?

Those aren’t fish.. They’re..
SHARKS!
SWIM FOR YOUR LIVES!
Ok.. I need an oxygen Bottle and a high powered rifle… And cool scary music..Dum Dum Dum Dum

334 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:15:10pm

re: #295 mracb

I’m from Manitoba and my whole family says aboot, and worse, filim for film.

Filim? That almost sounds like the Swedish Chef.

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:15:39pm

re: #330 Gus 802

I still wouldn’t frame it as a “tea partier shoots …” at this moment. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. If anything, it can be a matter of forestalling rumors about him being a leftist of some sort, like wingnuts are known to have floated in other cases.

336 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:16:00pm

re: #322 Charles

Are those piranha on the front license plate?

No, Dorado aka Mahi-mahi.

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:16:23pm

re: #243 Sergey Romanov

How does one properly pronounce “ở”?

‘euh’.

The best American approximation seems to be ‘fuh’.

There’s a place called “Pot de Phở” in San Francisco.

338 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:17:38pm

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

‘euh’.

The best American approximation seems to be ‘fuh’.

There’s a place called “Pot de Phở” in San Francisco.

I think it’s pronounced Foe. It’s yummy.

339 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:17:45pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

Wait… why are there fish swimming towards the viewer on a tea party license plate?

I’m thinking it’s a decorative thing, unrelated to the TP, with a TP frame around it.

340 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:18:39pm

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

‘euh’.

The best American approximation seems to be ‘fuh’.

There’s a place called “Pot de Phở” in San Francisco.

Phee fi Phở fum.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:13pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

filim? I had a professor from Belfast who said that.

They say it like that in the south of Ireland too. “Fillum”.

342 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:21pm

re: #322 Charles

Are those piranha on the front license plate?

Dorado
Image: dorado.jpg

343 bubba zanetti  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:20:30pm

re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve seen it theorized that Pho is just a Vietnamese appropriation of the French word Feu, taken from “Pot de Feu”.

I’ve also seen that Banh (as in Banh Mi, those great little sandwiches), is taken from the the French ‘Pain’.

Not sure if either is true…

344 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:21:16pm

re: #327 Charles

I think they are piranha. Compare: [Link: www.google.com…]

Look closely at the head shape and dorsal fin. I’m fairly certain they’re Mahi Mahi.

345 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:21:42pm

re: #343 bubba zanetti

I’ve seen it theorized that Pho is just a Vietnamese appropriation of the French word Feu, taken from “Pot de Feu”.

I’ve also seen that Banh (as in Banh Mi, those great little sandwiches), is taken from the the French ‘Pain’.

Not sure if either is true…

Oh, just bring me a fuckin’ banh mi and don’t worry about it…I love those sandwiches.

346 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:22:41pm

re: #327 Charles

Don’t mess with the African Tiger Fish
snopes.com

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:22:43pm

re: #343 bubba zanetti

I’ve seen it theorized that Pho is just a Vietnamese appropriation of the French word Feu, taken from “Pot de Feu”.

I’ve also seen that Banh (as in Banh Mi, those great little sandwiches), is taken from the the French ‘Pain’.

Not sure if either is true…

Might be. One of the things I love most about Vietnamese food, besides its amazing awesomeness, is that you can get a nice coffee after dinner.

348 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:22:51pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Right now we’re in Bryan Fischer’s brain suggesting stupid and outlandish things for him to say. So if you hear Bryan blaming homosexuality for Maoism you know why.

Aren’t you afraid of losing your way and getting stuck in intellectual purgatory?

349 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:23:14pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

Look closely at the head shape and dorsal fin. I’m fairly certain they’re Mahi Mahi.

Could be, hard to tell without more detail. Doesn’t really matter, just a side note.

350 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:24:49pm

re: #342 darthstar

Dorado
Image: dorado.jpg

So those would be John Wayne and Robert Mitchum?

351 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:24:52pm

re: #346 jaunte

Don’t mess with the African Tiger Fish
[Link: www.snopes.com…]

Don’t mess with the Great White Sea Monster

352 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:25:23pm

ot- OWS is starting to lose some steam for me. Still too many Ron Paul/ANSWER/Code Pink groupies and not enough real message. I’m still holding out some hope that they get their act together though.

/Not that anyone cares, I just needed to vent a little.

353 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:25:33pm

re: #348 b_sharp

Aren’t you afraid of losing your way and getting stuck in intellectual purgatory?

Yes but Lord Soros persisted. Anything to make conservatives look bad. Also Saul Alinsky insisted on it despite the fact he’s both dead and I wouldn’t know him if I saw him.

354 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:25:40pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

Look closely at the head shape and dorsal fin. I’m fairly certain they’re Mahi Mahi.

Mahi mahi, dorado…it’s all the same to me. Unless you like ordering Chilean sea bass in restaurants, in which case you’re actually eating Patagonian Tooth Fish and not the more attractive white sea bass

355 dell*nix  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:27:35pm

Late to this article and am trying to catch up.

Had a persistent caller tonight that wanted to do a survey. Told her she might not like it. It was a republican survey for the upcoming elections. Wanted to know if I was intending to vote and my opinions of potential candidates. She had to do a bit of writing in as I explained that all the parties consisted of idiots but the worst were the republicans. Told her the republicans had run screaming off into the brush of insanity and had left the sane behind. That values was a red flag as was fiscal conservative.

Think they were trying to get talking points for one candidate in particular from the way the questions were asked. Don’t know if they really cared for my input, but they got it.

356 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:28:02pm

re: #1 Summer

They won’t stop at putting their fingers in their own ears and singing loudly when they don’t want to hear anything about Science; they now want to plug your ears for you as well.

If anyone wants to stick their fingers in my ears the joke’s on them

357 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:28:30pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Yes but Lord Soros persisted. Anything to make conservatives look bad.

Such noble sacrifices for the cause.

358 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:28:43pm

Hey reine…wtf? These kinds of people are more likely to be teabaggers than supporters of OWS…yeah, it’s funny, but it’s not us.

359 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:29:26pm

dear god…got “Navy SEALs” on in the background (Charlie Sheen before he went all loony)…talk about some crappy over acting…back to baseball.

360 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:31:36pm

re: #359 darthstar

dear god…got “Navy SEALs” on in the background (Charlie Sheen before he went all loony)…talk about some crappy over acting…back to baseball.

Claire: What are we doing here?
Hawkins: Well hopefully each other if all goes as planned.

361 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:31:57pm

re: #357 b_sharp

Such noble sacrifices for the cause.

I know. The person who made Sarah Palin compare political criticism of her to a blood libel following Gabrielle Gifford’s shooting was so bold. Same bold person that had her talking about death panels too.

362 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:32:18pm

re: #359 darthstar

dear god…got “Navy SEALs” on in the background (Charlie Sheen before he went all loony)…talk about some crappy over acting…back to baseball.

My favorite hilarious in hindsight movie will probably be Hot Shots, because to start with its a parody of Tom Cruise (an actor who later when way out into wackyland) as done by Charlie Sheen (another actor who later on went way into into wackyland) so its twice the irony!

363 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:32:36pm

re: #360 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Claire: What are we doing here?
Hawkins: Well hopefully each other if all goes as planned.

You would have memorized those particular lines.

364 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:33:30pm

re: #354 darthstar

Mahi mahi, dorado…it’s all the same to me. Unless you like ordering Chilean sea bass in restaurants, in which case you’re actually eating Patagonian Tooth Fish and not the more attractive white sea bass

I spent a couple of years in college working as a fish cutter at a high end restaurant in Seattle, have broken down most every species of fish that makes it to West Coast markets.

365 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:34:00pm

re: #363 b_sharp

You would have memorized those particular lines.

Regular use helps with remembering them.

366 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:34:23pm
367 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:35:04pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

I spent a couple of years in college working as a fish cutter at a high end restaurant in Seattle, have broken down most every species of fish that makes it to West Coast markets.

You Americans and your dozens of types of fish to eat. I’m still stuck on red snapper.

368 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:35:26pm

re: #367 b_sharp

You Americans and your dozens of types of fish to eat. I’m still stuck on red snapper.

Verrrry tassty…..!

369 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36:05pm

re: #367 b_sharp

You Americans and your dozens of types of fish to eat. I’m still stuck on red snapper.

Now, you can keep your red snapper or you can go with whats in the box…

370 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:37:56pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Yes but Lord Soros persisted. Anything to make conservatives look bad. Also Saul Alinsky insisted on it despite the fact he’s both dead and I wouldn’t know him if I saw him.

The Alinsky freakouts are particularly vexing. Here’s his wikipedia page. Nothing really stands out as objectionable, aside from

1) He wrote a tongue-in-cheek “dedication” to Lucifer (who, for the slow-witted out there, he didn’t even believe in) in one of his books.

2) He was a ebil community organizer.

3) He had some tenuous connections to Barack Obama and was admired by Hillary Clinton.

My theory is that wingnuts say about Alinsky everything they wish they could get away with saying about MLK, Malcolm X, and Cesar Chavez.

371 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:38:08pm

re: #312 Charles

Uh oh. Wingnut storm of denial approaching.

Write this up, with pics, and you have a front page promotion…

What’s outrageous about a Mahi -Tea Party license plate? I’m missing something.

372 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:38:19pm

Should be done shortly. Hang on.

I’ll never hear the end about it for this one. ;) Might have to hire some body guards.

373 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:38:51pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Real Americans eat beef.

374 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:01pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

What’s outrageous about a Mahi -Tea Party license plate? I’m missing something.

Tea Party guy guns down a shop full of people.

375 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:32pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now, you can keep your red snapper or you can go with whats in the box…

You get nothing! You so stupid!

/Kuni, UHF

376 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:37pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now, you can keep your red snapper or you can go with whats in the box…

The Wheel of Fish.
Richards’ best role.

377 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:37pm
378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:39:56pm

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party guy guns down a shop full of people.

I think KT’s implicit point is “would you blame the left, like OWS, if one of theirs did it”.

379 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:40:43pm

re: #375 talon_262

You get nothing! You so stupid!

/Kuni, UHF

Supplies!

/Kuni.

380 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:40:45pm

re: #373 jaunte

Real Americans eat beef.

I shit you not, I’m eating Mahi at this very moment. On a bed of quinoa and squash with a yellow carrot salad. Oh, shit. I’m eating Tea Party!

381 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:41:08pm

re: #376 b_sharp

The Wheel of Fish.
Richards’ best role.

Do you want to drink from the firehose?

382 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:41:37pm

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party guy guns down a shop full of people.

Fuck, link?

383 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:41:53pm

re: #367 b_sharp

You Americans and your dozens of types of fish to eat. I’m still stuck on red snapper.

I used to go trout and salmon fishing at this incredibly remote lake in B.C., log cabins, no power, ice boxes, some of the best vacations I’ve ever taken.

384 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:42:35pm

re: #316 jaunte

Ssounds like my in-laws. Around here, we pronounce it uhbowt.

re: #316 jaunte

Ssounds like my in-laws. Around here, we pronounce it uhbowt.

Well, yeah. But you’re Texan. Always do things your own way, doncha?

385 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:42:54pm

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party guy guns down a shop full of people.

Oh, is that what that fucktard with the droopy tits did? Asshole. Oh well, he’s white, so it’s not terrorism.

386 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:43:09pm

re: #378 Sergey Romanov

I think KT’s implicit point is “would you blame the left, like OWS, if one of theirs did it”.

No, I’m genuinely lost. All I see I is Mahi on a tea party plate. I’ve no idea why this is important.

387 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:43:20pm

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

I used to go trout and salmon fishing at this incredibly remote lake in B.C., log cabins, no power, ice boxes, some of the best vacations I’ve ever taken.

Those lakes are cold, cold, cold. They’re so deep they go all the way down.

388 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:43:42pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Fuck, link?

Scroll up, the links are around. Guy killed 8 people in a spa this afternoon, turns out he made donations to the TP, thats his car in the picture you saw.

389 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:00pm

re: #358 darthstar

Hey reine…wtf? These kinds of people are more likely to be teabaggers than supporters of OWS…yeah, it’s funny, but it’s not us.

hehehehe.

I actually think he’s some sort of misfit. Strange thought, I know, but there ya have it.

390 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:11pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

I shit you not, I’m eating Mahi at this very moment. On a bed of quinoa and squash with a yellow carrot salad. Oh, shit. I’m eating Tea Party!

Does it taste good?

391 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:16pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

No, I’m genuinely lost. All I see I is Mahi on a tea party plate. I’ve no idea why this is important.

Mahi mahi is what you get on a plate. Dorado is the fish.

392 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:22pm

re: #388 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Scroll up, the links are around. Guy killed 8 people in a spa this afternoon, turns out he made donations to the TP, thats his car in the picture you saw.

Ok, thanks.

393 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:44:49pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

hehehehe.

I actually think he’s some sort of misfit. Strange thought, I know, but there ya have it.

Okay…I like your latest fleur de lis by the way…be sure to bubble-wrap it before mailing it to me.

394 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:45:07pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

No, I’m genuinely lost. All I see I is Mahi on a tea party plate. I’ve no idea why this is important.

It only becomes important after the radical right claims he is a lefty loon.

395 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:45:20pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Lyseknoism at work.

excellent reference!

396 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:45:35pm

re: #394 b_sharp

Think so too.

397 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:46:20pm

re: #370 Atlas Fails

The Alinsky freakouts are particularly vexing. Here’s his wikipedia page. Nothing really stands out as objectionable, aside from

1) He wrote a tongue-in-cheek “dedication” to Lucifer (who, for the slow-witted out there, he didn’t even believe in) in one of his books.

2) He was a ebil community organizer.

3) He had some tenuous connections to Barack Obama and was admired by Hillary Clinton.

My theory is that wingnuts say about Alinsky everything they wish they could get away with saying about MLK, Malcolm X, and Cesar Chavez.

Yeah I think you’re right. It’s just so funny to hear about how Alinsky this, Alinsky that, but as I said I wouldn’t recognize him. I think another thing for me was I mixed him up with another Chicago Saul, Saul Bellow, who I think had to read a short story by once and died in 2008 so that.

398 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:47:14pm

re: #319 publicityStunted

They looked like blue whales to me. As if he pilfered a “Save the Whales” license plate and replaced the last two words with “America”.

I think that’s what he did.
Because otherwise, there is no logical or rational connection whatsoever between “tea party” and whatever kind of fish that is. Of course, I’m not sure what sort of image would make a rational connection to the tea party, but hey …

399 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:49:21pm

UPDATE: 8 Dead in Salon Shooting, Worst Massacre in O.C. History

Suspect ID’ed as Scott DeKraii. Wearing body armor and guns strapped to his body, he was arrested after allegedly opening fire at crowded Seal Beach salon.

The alleged gunman was the ex-husband of a salon employee named Michelle, according to the husband of an employee who survived the shooting unharmed after locking herself inside a back room. Another source identified the suspect as Scott DeKraii of Long Beach, who worked in sportfishing.

400 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:49:30pm

8 Killed in Salon Shooting in Southern California

A former salon employee, Lydia Sosa, who was at the scene, said the attacker had been involved in a bitter divorce from his former wife, who worked at the salon. “They were never happy for a long, long time,” Ms. Sosa said. “She said he was bitter. He was very bitter.”

Ah, ok. Looks like a domestic situation, not a political attack.

401 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:49:38pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

Of course, I’m not sure what sort of image would make a rational connection to the tea party, but hey …

We’re talking about people who see a picture of a furry alien and think the First Lady. Rational connections are not their cup of tea.

402 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:49:45pm

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think you’re right. It’s just so funny to hear about how Alinsky this, Alinsky that, but as I said I wouldn’t recognize him. I think another thing for me was I mixed him up with another Chicago Saul, Saul Bellow, who I think had to read a short story by once and died in 2008 so that.

Personally, I wouldn’t know the dude from Sauerkraut Saul.

403 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:51:28pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

8 Killed in Salon Shooting in Southern California

Ah, ok. Looks like a domestic situation, not a political attack.

That was my guess to begin with. I think the first reports had something about being a husband of an employee.

404 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:51:28pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

8 Killed in Salon Shooting in Southern California

Ah, ok. Looks like a domestic situation, not a political attack.

Yep…though the fact that the asshole owned body armor says something about his mind-set…one can’t claim he was some kind of pacifist.

405 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:51:30pm

re: #402 Atlas Fails

Personally, I wouldn’t know the dude from Sauerkraut Saul.

Haha I was at PNC in August. Seriously the pirohy race is one of the most unique things I’ve ever seen at a game.

406 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:51:52pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

I think that’s what he did.
Because otherwise, there is no logical or rational connection whatsoever between “tea party” and whatever kind of fish that is. Of course, I’m not sure what sort of image would make a rational connection to the tea party, but hey …

he was a fisherman.

407 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:52:13pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

he was a fisherman.

So was Jesus.

408 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:52:24pm

re: #404 darthstar

Yep…though the fact that the asshole owned body armor says something about his mind-set…one can’t claim he was some kind of pacifist.

Well yeah pacifists don’t shoot buildings up. So yeah it seems this guy’s political beliefs are independent of what he did.

409 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:52:27pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

8 Killed in Salon Shooting in Southern California

Ah, ok. Looks like a domestic situation, not a political attack.

I’m a little relieved. Shit gets bad real quick when political movements turn to armed violence.

410 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:52:44pm

re: #407 darthstar

So was Jesus.

Hippie!

411 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:53:31pm

re: #407 darthstar

So was Jesus.

Um, Jesus was a carpenter, if you go by the gospel (which I don’t).

412 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:53:41pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

I think that’s what he did.
Because otherwise, there is no logical or rational connection whatsoever between “tea party” and whatever kind of fish that is. Of course, I’m not sure what sort of image would make a rational connection to the tea party, but hey …

Guessing here, but…

He’s on the record as having donated to a web site with ‘Tea Party’ in the domain name. Said web site is the subject of debate that it was some sort of scam, where the guy running it sent out ‘Tea Party’ kits that were maybe worth a lot less than people paid.

Maybe said ‘Tea Party kit’ featured the license plate frame. (I don’t think the fish plate on the truck is part of the TP frame - I think it’s a TP frame around a plate with fish on it, as the guy was into sport fishing.)

Links for all of my guesswork are contained in this thread. I make no claims to accuracy, just speculating based upon what I’ve read in this thread.

413 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:54:46pm

re: #411 Sergey Romanov

Um, Jesus was a carpenter, if you go by the gospel (which I don’t).

Okay…he was a fisher OF men…(in the 70s and early 80s, it was called trolling)

414 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:37pm

re: #401 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We’re talking about people who see a picture of a furry alien and think the First Lady. Rational connections are not their cup of tea.

Exactly.

I thought, though, that I heard this shooting had something to do with his ex-wife who worked there, not really political stuff? I know details are sketchy right now -

415 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:55:44pm

All done.

littlegreenfootballs.com

And don’t worry. I added the possibility of him having PTSD at the very end. Just to add some balance.

416 Atlas Fails  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:56:37pm

re: #411 Sergey Romanov

Um, Jesus was a carpenter, if you go by the gospel (which I don’t).

I saw on the Discovery (or History, or whatever) channel once that he was probably a day laborer, and the carpenter thing was a mistranslation. So if Jesus was around today, he’d probably be a Mexican wetback stealing Real Murkins’ construction jobs.

‘Night all.

417 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:56:46pm

re: #415 Gus 802

All done.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

And don’t worry. I added the possibility of him having PTSD at the very end. Just to add some balance.

Hopefully, he’ll get some real T to add to his P SD.

418 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:56:52pm

re: #413 darthstar

Okay…he was a fisher OF men…(in the 70s and early 80s, it was called trolling)

Well, then there’s this: en.wikipedia.org

419 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:57:04pm

re: #407 darthstar

So was Jesus.

No..But he sure could lay out a fine Buffet for 5000 people with 3 fish and 2 loaves.. Sort of like Caesar’s Palace without the Salad..
/

420 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:57:19pm

re: #404 darthstar

Yep…though the fact that the asshole owned body armor says something about his mind-set…one can’t claim he was some kind of pacifist.

It’s the fact that he felt the need for body armor to take on a hair salon that speaks volumes. I’m trying to imagine a way for him to be more cowardly, but it’s just not coming.

421 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:57:23pm

re: #416 Atlas Fails

Hehe. Jesus. Figures.

422 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:58:35pm

re: #393 darthstar

Okay…I like your latest fleur de lis by the way…be sure to bubble-wrap it before mailing it to me.

Ah, geez! You don’t know how many times I’ve thought I would kill myself over this thing! Very close to being finished, then solder, then put it in the light for the photo op. So keep watching.

423 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:59:23pm

re: #407 darthstar

So was Jesus.

So was my grandfather. He went out fishing almost every Sunday.

Funny thing, he never caught any fish.

424 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:59:39pm

re: #418 Sergey Romanov

Well, then there’s this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

That’s what I call evangelism!

425 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:00pm

re: #413 darthstar

Okay…he was a fisher OF men…(in the 70s and early 80s, it was called trolling)

That definition of trolling is where the usenet troll got his name.

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:02:09pm

re: #404 darthstar

Yep…though the fact that the asshole owned body armor says something about his mind-set…one can’t claim he was some kind of pacifist.

He killed eight people in a beauty parlor. I’m not sure who would have been claiming he was a pacifist, with or without body armor.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:25pm

re: #411 Sergey Romanov

Um, Jesus was a carpenter, if you go by the gospel (which I don’t).

But he HUNG OUT with fishermen.

428 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:52pm

Latest project - very close to being finished. Colors are not accurate in this photo (it’s LSU purple & gold).
Image: photo.jpg

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:03:54pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

But he HUNG OUT with fishermen.

Palled around with.

430 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:25pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

But he HUNG OUT with fishermen.

Can you imagine the advantage of being able to walk on water while fishing?

431 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:30pm

re: #404 darthstar

Yep…though the fact that the asshole owned body armor says something about his mind-set…one can’t claim he was some kind of pacifist.

Big time. This was more than a jilted lover here. What made me suspicious was the body armor and the amount of weaponry reported.

432 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:04:32pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

Latest project - very close to being finished. Colors are not accurate in this photo (it’s LSU purple & gold).
Image: photo.jpg

That’s just awesome.

433 Kragar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:05:08pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

But he HUNG OUT with fishermen.

Image: di001.jpg

434 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:05:53pm

re: #433 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: di001.jpg

I think we need a bigger boat.

435 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:06:30pm

re: #432 Sergey Romanov

That’s just awesome.

*blush*
Merci!

436 darthstar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:08:13pm

Okay…time to watch “Survivor” - stupid fucking show, but I’m watching it for the first time anyway…tomorrow I get to perf-plan an asshole I should have gotten rid of months ago…so a little relaxation before a long night’s sleep will do me good.

Play nice, everyone.

437 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:08:14pm

Some advice to any iDevice owners out there: think twice about updating to iOS 5 tonight. I’m reading about looong download times and some bricked gadgets out there. I’d wait. Just my 2 cents.

438 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:09:20pm

re: #431 Gus 802

I’ll leave your post in Pages for a little while so you can edit to keep up with breaking stories. Once it’s promoted you can’t edit (I’m working on it)…

439 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:09:41pm

re: #437 JasonA

Some advice to any iDevice owners out there: think twice about updating to iOS 5 tonight. I’m reading about looong download times and some bricked gadgets out there. I’d wait. Just my 2 cents.

Mine just got finished. It took quite a long time.

440 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:10:25pm

re: #439 reine.de.tout

Congrats. Enjoy your proper notification bar :)

441 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:10:47pm

the word in new testament greek is tekton, which might have meant something like a skilled construction worker for day hire, like somebody who could lay brick, do carpentry, or stick stucco

it’s speculated that he got a lot of work in nearby caesarea, which was undergoing a massive building program at the time. the gospels make it pretty clear, though, that he went and preached to the fisherfolk around the galillee because nobody would listen to him back home in nazareth

it turns out that magdala was famous for its dried fish, like kippers i guess. i figure when people found out that the other mary/miriam was from magdala, when she was hanging out with jesus down in jerusalem, she got a lot of dried fish jokes

442 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:12pm

re: #415 Gus 802

All done.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

And don’t worry. I added the possibility of him having PTSD at the very end. Just to add some balance.

License plate explained. He worked in sport fishing.

443 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:17pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

Latest project - very close to being finished. Colors are not accurate in this photo (it’s LSU purple & gold).
Image: photo.jpg

Very nice!

444 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:11:41pm

re: #442 reine.de.tout

License plate explained. He worked in sport fishing.

Yep.

445 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:12:02pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

Latest project - very close to being finished. Colors are not accurate in this photo (it’s LSU purple & gold).
Image: photo.jpg

Very regal.

446 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:12:08pm

re: #438 Charles

I’ll leave your post in Pages for a little while so you can edit to keep up with breaking stories. Once it’s promoted you can’t edit (I’m working on it)…

OK. If I don’t fall asleep first.

447 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:13:14pm

re: #438 Charles

I’ll leave your post in Pages for a little while so you can edit to keep up with breaking stories. Once it’s promoted you can’t edit (I’m working on it)…

Is there a political connection to his crime? I’m still missing the significance.

448 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:14:01pm

It seems a bit of a stretch to me.

449 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:14:19pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Is there a political connection to his crime? I’m still missing the significance.

Who are you and what have you done with Killgore Trout?

//

450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:15:09pm

Very funny line from “Modern Family” tonight. Phil says,

“I’ll admit it. I’m turned on by powerful women. Michelle Obama, Oprah, Condolezza Rice, Serena Williams… wait a minute…”

The white guy sits and thinks…

451 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:15:31pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Very regal.

I like colors; but if I were doing this for myself, my personal preference would have been different textures of clear glass. I don’t know why, that clear glass with different textures just always appeals to me.

452 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:15:42pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

The body armor is something that crops up with Sovereign Citizens and militia dudes a lot.

453 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:16:17pm

re: #449 Gus 802

Who are you and what have you done with Killgore Trout?

//

Yeah, I’m kind of lost. I just don’t get it.
imgur.com

454 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:16:27pm

This is the sock puppet of Killgore Trout Stinks.
Silly.
Didn’t you know that?

455 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:16:27pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Is there a political connection to his crime? I’m still missing the significance.

A crime of cowardice.. He wore body armor to kill the unarmed and gave up to the police without a fight…Wonder where this story is going…

456 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:16:28pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

It seems a bit of a stretch to me.

I didn’t make any political comments in my post. So yeah. A couple of months ago you would have jumped all over this. I don’t know what your deal is anymore.

457 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:17:07pm

re: #454 reine.de.tout

This is the sock puppet of Killgore Trout Stinks.
Silly.
Didn’t you know that?

That was supposed to be a response to:


re: #449 Gus 802

Who are you and what have you done with Killgore Trout?

//

458 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:17:55pm

re: #452 Obdicut

The body armor is something that crops up with Sovereign Citizens and militia dudes a lot.

Ok, I guess that’s something.

459 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:18:09pm

re: #456 Gus 802

It does appear to be more of a tragic domestic violence case than a Tea Party zealot vs. liberals in a salon case.

460 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:19:33pm

re: #456 Gus 802

I didn’t make any political comments in my post. So yeah. A couple of months ago you would have jumped all over this. I don’t know what your deal is anymore.

littlegreenfootballs.com

461 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:19:58pm

re: #459 jaunte

It does appear to be more of a tragic domestic violence case than a Tea Party zealot vs. liberals in a salon case.

Definitely a tragic situation but the political/Tea Party connection seems pretty weak.

462 avanti  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:21:11pm

Snowmobile riders discover gravity. (Helmet cam video)

“Holy Crap”.

463 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:21:16pm

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

This is all getting a little to manic for my taste.

464 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:21:19pm

re: #459 jaunte

It does appear to be more of a tragic domestic violence case than a Tea Party zealot vs. liberals in a salon case.

It’s a good thing he was apprehended. Judging by the amount of weaponry and the body armor, it’s quite possible that he wasn’t finished shooting yet.

465 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:21:24pm

re: #43 makeitstop

Since we’re back on OWS, I have to re-post this pic.

There are exceptions to the ‘Embracing the Crazies’ rule.

Wonderful, truly wonderful (no sarc). I’m glad to see that man giving the Anti-Semite some pushback. It’s very important and also the right thing to do.

466 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:21:26pm

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Yeah, I’m sure there’s an OWS supporter involved in domestic violence. It doesn’t seem politically relevant to me.

467 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:21:59pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

It might have been a component of Kraii’s mental state, but the divorce/ custody case and his injury would seem to be a lot more immediate triggers.

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:22:31pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

Dude…

469 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:22:35pm

Oh brother. I can’t handle the passive/aggressive BS. Back later.

470 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:23:39pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

If you read the thread, we pretty much agreed that we need to wait and see. Pointing out that he was a TP is not, in itself, unfair, as long as the whole TP is not smeared.

471 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:24:04pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Definitely a tragic situation but the political/Tea Party connection seems pretty weak.

I read this entire thread, and everyone has been very careful not to ascribe a political motive to the shooting. To the contrary.

But the guy did have TP swag on his truck. That’s all people have been pointing out.

472 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:24:08pm

re: #467 jaunte

It might have been a component of Kraii’s mental state, but the divorce/ custody case and his injury would seem to be a lot more immediate triggers.

Possibly but we’re verging on territory of Drudge linking to videos of black people fighting. People are fighting but their blackness isn’t relevant to the fight.

473 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:24:29pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude…

Well.
I think we need an OccupyFaceBook movement.
They keep messing with things, and they need to STOP NOW.

474 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:25:30pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Possibly but we’re verging on territory of Drudge linking to videos of black people fighting. People are fighting but their blackness isn’t relevant to the fight.

Pointing out blackness is never relevant. Pointing out TP may become relevant (although at the moment it’s weak).

475 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:26:01pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Possibly but we’re verging on territory of Drudge linking to videos of black people fighting. People are fighting but their blackness isn’t relevant to the fight.

I suggest you read the thread.

No one is saying this is a political shooting. No one.

476 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:26:07pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude…

On the one hand that doesn’t really seem like a good idea.

On the other, I think they did a nice job with the ad.

477 laZardo  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:26:07pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chase is open 9a-1p on Saturdays. It’s gonna be a fairly short occupation for them.

478 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:26:37pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Possibly but we’re verging on territory of Drudge linking to videos of black people fighting. People are fighting but their blackness isn’t relevant to the fight.

I don’t think either of you have enough information right now to definitively make that judgment. One sentence in a NY Times article isn’t the final word.

479 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:27:52pm

re: #477 laZardo

Chase is open 9a-1p on Saturdays. It’s gonna be a fairly short occupation for them.

Well I’ll be at Comic Con. And so will Eliza Dushku. I would like to occupy her time…

480 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:28:34pm

re: #452 Obdicut

The body armor is something that crops up with Sovereign Citizens and militia dudes a lot.

I can attest to this as well. My current event at work deal with Warfighter Protection, and body armor is the biggest focus of it. But when I started my research, entering “body armor” into Google pull up so many links to conspiracy theory pages that I had to set the search to specifically exclude the word “Bilderbergers” in order to screen out the loons.

481 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:29:08pm

And BTW, to reiterate. I’m for fairness. If we don’t say the Democrats are responsible for John Wayne Gacy, we should afford the same to the Republicans (etc.).

482 laZardo  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:30:06pm

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

I can attest to this as well. My current event at work deal with Warfighter Protection, and body armor is the biggest focus of it. But when I started my research, entering “body armor” into Google pull up so many links to conspiracy theory pages that I had to set the search to specifically exclude the word “Bilderbergers” in order to screen out the loons.

Well, they don’t call it “Dragonscale” armor if it wasn’t meant to protect the evil lizard wardens of the earth.

/

483 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:30:42pm

re: #474 Sergey Romanov

Pointing out blackness is never relevant. Pointing out TP may become relevant (although at the moment it’s weak).

Yes, it may be relevant, but IMO it’s not a story that should be on LGF’s front page unless we have better reason to believe its relevant.

484 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:31:26pm

re: #479 JasonA

Well I’ll be at Comic Con. And so will Eliza Dushku. I would like to occupy her time…

[pours small bucket of cold water over JasonA’s head]

485 sagehen  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:31:56pm

re: #260 ProLifeLiberal

So a Tea Partier did a massacre.

Now, is there anything notable about the place he shot up?

His ex-wife worked there.

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:32:29pm

re: #477 laZardo

That’s funny as hell.

Occupy the … the … QUIZNOS SUB SHOP ACROSS FROM BOA!!

487 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:32:36pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

I’d also advise to wait and see. If he is a political type of a killer nut, we’ll learn soon enough.

488 freetoken  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:32:39pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it may be relevant, but IMO it’s not a story that should be on LGF’s front page unless we have better reason to believe its relevant.

IMO, when any society continually generates mass murderers that alone is worthy of attention on the front page of just about anywhere, and that a gun fetish goes along with said murderers is doubly troublesome.

490 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:33:56pm

Good Night Lizards.. I hope Leno is funny tonight..I need a good laugh
Kind Regards..

491 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:37:25pm

re: #10 engineer dog

more poll madness

former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll…

Good.

I hope the dumb, three-tooth bubbas in the GOP are forced to choose between Barack Obama (D - Black) and Herman Cain (R - Black) next November.

Fine with me…

/Schadenfreude

492 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:38:23pm

re: #482 laZardo

Well, they don’t call it “Dragonscale” armor if it wasn’t meant to protect the evil lizard wardens of the earth.

/

Dragonscale is actually a case of the Army resisting what turned out to be a douchebag peddling an inferior product while using faux-populism to try to stampede the DoD into using it.

493 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:38:41pm

re: #481 Sergey Romanov

And BTW, to reiterate. I’m for fairness. If we don’t say the Democrats are responsible for John Wayne Gacy, we should afford the same to the Republicans (etc.).

BTK was a Republican. Just sayin’.:)
Evening Honcos.

494 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:39:00pm

re: #488 freetoken

IMO, when any society continually generates mass murderers that alone is worthy of attention on the front page of just about anywhere, and that a gun fetish goes along with said murderers is doubly troublesome.

Yep. The mindset that lets someone commit mass murder doesn’t develop in a vacuum.

495 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:39:12pm

Sneaking back in. Yeah. I guess I storm off like I’m some movie star pissed off at the director and walking off the set.

496 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:39:42pm

re: #495 Gus 802

Sneaking back in. Yeah. I guess I storm off like I’m some movie star pissed off at the director and walking off the set.

Let’s just get it right, wherever it leads.

497 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:40:30pm

re: #488 freetoken

IMO, when any society continually generates mass murderers that alone is worthy of attention on the front page of just about anywhere, and that a gun fetish goes along with said murderers is doubly troublesome.

Thank you.

498 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:40:37pm

re: #488 freetoken

IMO, when any society continually generates mass murderers that alone is worthy of attention on the front page of just about anywhere, and that a gun fetish goes along with said murderers is doubly troublesome.

Clarification: You are referring to the murderer(s) himself’s fetish for guns, correct?

499 jaunte  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:40:42pm

re: #495 Gus 802

Do you think this could be another example of ‘stochastic terrorism?’

500 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:41:03pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it may be relevant, but IMO it’s not a story that should be on LGF’s front page unless we have better reason to believe its relevant.

Why not put it on the front page and leave off the tea party membership until/if ever it’s relevant?

501 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:41:43pm

re: #499 jaunte

Do you think this could be another example of ‘stochastic terrorism?’

No! I had to look that up though. ;)

502 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:42:03pm

re: #495 Gus 802


Just kidding. Sorry to shit on your hat tip but I’m abit out of step with LGF these days. Seriously. I just don’t get it.
503 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:42:57pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it may be relevant, but IMO it’s not a story that should be on LGF’s front page unless we have better reason to believe its relevant.

So I get to become the test case?

OK, I need to storm off again and puff on a cig. BRB

504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:43:20pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Possibly but we’re verging on territory of Drudge linking to videos of black people fighting. People are fighting but their blackness isn’t relevant to the fight.

How so?

505 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:44:01pm

re: #502 Killgore Trout

[Video]
Just kidding. Sorry to shit on your hat tip but I’m abit out of step with LGF these days. Seriously. I just don’t get it.

Yeah but I don’t get it either you know. Obviously we seem to be confusing each other.

506 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:44:07pm

re: #500 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Why not put it on the front page and leave off the tea party membership until/if ever it’s relevant?

That would be fine. It was the TP membership that I was concerned about. It’s clearly relevant.

507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:44:27pm

re: #503 Gus 802

So I get to become the test case?

The tea party simp(leton)s just want to take out their butthurt over the past couple weeks on you.

508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:45:17pm

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

That would be fine. It was the TP membership that I was concerned about. It’s clearly relevant.

If it’s relevant, then put it in.

If not, or under question, leave it out.

What are you concerned about?

509 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:45:40pm

n/m

510 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:46:27pm

re: #507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The tea party simp(leton)s just want to take out their butthurt over the past couple weeks on you.

Yeah. I don’t know. I’m seeing a lot of double standards here. Serious flip-flopping going on.

511 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:46:32pm

re: #507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The tea party simp(leton)s just want to take out their butthurt over the past couple weeks on you.

Killgore is a tea party simp(leton)?
I really don’t think so.

512 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:48:08pm

re: #510 Gus 802

Yeah. I don’t know. I’m seeing a lot of double standards here. Serious flip-flopping going on.

I think KT also thinks he perceives double standards. At least that’s what he wrote.

513 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:48:59pm

re: #508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

If it’s relevant, then put it in.

If not, or under question, leave it out.

What are you concerned about?

I was agreeing with you. You proposed what I felt was a reasonable solution.

514 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:49:19pm

re: #481 Sergey Romanov

And BTW, to reiterate. I’m for fairness. If we don’t say the Democrats are responsible for John Wayne Gacy, we should afford the same to the Republicans (etc.).

Lol you’re talking about people who screech “democrat party” every time they hear the word “slavery”, like slobbering pavlov dogs.

Front page posting a story with certain possibly-partisan elements is one thing, but in general, trying to be non-partisan or play fair with such people is a fool’s-errand.

515 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:50:02pm

re: #511 reine.de.tout

Killgore is a tea party simp(leton)?
I really don’t think so.

That’s the narrative and there’s not much use in resisting it. Most of the Lizards who remember those debates are long gone. To today’s lizards I’m a tea bagger extremist. So it goes.

516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:50:17pm

re: #511 reine.de.tout

Killgore is a tea party simp(leton)?
I really don’t think so.

I didn’t say anything about Killgore or anyone else. So there is no need to jump to any person’s defense.

517 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:50:31pm

re: #512 Sergey Romanov

I think KT also thinks he perceives double standards. At least that’s what he wrote.

That’s what I alluded to. At least I thought I did. ;)

518 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:50:52pm

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

That would be fine. It was the TP membership that I was concerned about. It’s clearly relevant.

By “clearly relevant”, I meant that the story itself is clearly relevant. Please excuse any resultant confusion.

519 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:51:48pm

re: #516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I didn’t say anything about Killgore or anyone else. So there is no need to jump to any person’s defense.

Oh heck. I’m sure there’s probably a dozen or so wingnuts out there using a human silhouette for target practice with my name on it “Gus_802”.

”//”

520 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:52:26pm

re: #511 reine.de.tout

no, he’s just old.

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:52:29pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

I can tell. It hurts you bad. Need a hug?

/

522 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:52:43pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

That’s the narrative and there’s not much use in resisting it. Most of the Lizards who remember those debates are long gone. To today’s lizards I’m a tea bagger extremist. So it goes.

Not this “today’s lizard”. Overly willing to cheer on proxy violence against imagined foes? Yes. A lazy researcher who makes claims you more often that not cannot back up? Yes.

Teabagger extremist? Pfft.

I’ve seen teabagger extremists, even before there were teabaggers. Friend, you are not it.

523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:53:39pm

re: #518 Dark_Falcon

Ah. Thanks.

524 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:53:45pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

please don’t play the strawman victim.

525 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:53:56pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

That’s the narrative and there’s not much use in resisting it. Most of the Lizards who remember those debates are long gone. To today’s lizards I’m a tea bagger extremist. So it goes.

Relax, Killgore. You’ve got me in your corner, as well as Reine, and both Sergy and Gus are reading your words generously and already know you don’t go whirling teabags over your head.

526 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:54:45pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

That’s the narrative and there’s not much use in resisting it. Most of the Lizards who remember those debates are long gone. To today’s lizards I’m a tea bagger extremist. So it goes.

Extremist? Uh, no.

527 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:54:59pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

That’s the narrative and there’s not much use in resisting it. Most of the Lizards who remember those debates are long gone. To today’s lizards I’m a tea bagger extremist. So it goes.

I frankly don’t think most people would ascribe you to that category here. Misguided in some of your criticism of #o? Sure. And that macing thing? (no comment, left for your conscience). But not a teabagger extremist, no. Unless you will put yourself in that position.

528 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:55:05pm

re: #516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I didn’t say anything about Killgore or anyone else. So there is no need to jump to any person’s defense.

I asked a question.
I gave my opinion.
I didn’t curse, or yell, and I wasn’t rude.
It’s allowed.

529 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:55:17pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Oh heck. I’m sure there’s probably a dozen or so wingnuts out there using a human silhouette for target practice with my name on it “Gus_802”.

”//”

Hell, you’ve had half that many people set up fake Twitter accounts using variations of your handle to attack you.

530 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:56:05pm

re: #528 reine.de.tout

I asked a question.
I gave my opinion.
I didn’t curse, or yell, and I wasn’t rude.
It’s allowed.

Likewise.

That’s the way it goes, on the internet.

531 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:56:28pm

re: #520 windsagio

no, he’s just old.

And I’m even older, though I admit I’m not quite sure when it is, exactly, that I got old.
And so - what?

532 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:56:39pm

re: #525 Dark_Falcon

Relax, Killgore. You’ve got me in your corner, as well as Reine, and both Sergy and Gus are reading your words generously and already know you don’t go whirling teabags over your head.

That would be correct.

I’m sort of getting used to this. You know the other day when I was saying I have OWSOS it stood for Occupy Wall Street Overexposure Syndrome. Frankly my batteries are running really low to hear either side of it anymore.

533 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:56:43pm

re: #525 Dark_Falcon

That wasn’t intended to be overly dramatic. Things change, I’m not angry or bitter. Just taking note of the change. Nothing more, nothing less.

534 freetoken  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:56:44pm

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

Clarification: You are referring to the murderer(s) himself’s fetish for guns, correct?

Well, yes, of course. But I think we can’t also ignore that the society which generates these mass murderers seems quite content in not addressing the culture that encourages using guns to settle issues.

535 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:57:11pm

re: #530 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Likewise.

That’s the way it goes, on the internet.

Ah. I thought you told me there “was no need” to say something.
I’m just saying - I think it’s allowed.

536 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:57:30pm

re: #507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The tea party simp(leton)s just want to take out their butthurt over the past couple weeks on you.

That’s two uncalled for personal shots at Kilgore in about a day. How about we get back to attacking the post rather than the poster?

537 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:58:42pm

re: #531 reine.de.tout

its just my shorthand for describing the whole thing.

It’s like that sign that’s been floating around ‘civil disobedience is still disobedience’.

The impression I get off of KT is that he thinks people should just get off the street and show polite respect to the proper authorities.

‘proper respect’ meaning ‘keep your head down and stay where I can’t see you’.

538 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 8:58:50pm

re: #535 reine.de.tout

Ah. I thought you told me there “was no need” to say something.
I’m just saying - I think it’s allowed.

I said exactly what I meant re: “there is no need”.

Relax: there is no need to get defensive of KT. If you have underlying issues with what I said, just say so.

539 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:01:04pm

re: #534 freetoken

Well, yes, of course. But I think we can’t also ignore that the society which generates these mass murderers seems quite content in not addressing the culture that encourages using guns to settle issues.

I don’t agree with what you’re saying about culture, but thank you for the clarification.

540 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:01:12pm

re: #537 windsagio

The impression I get off of KT is that he thinks people should just get off the street and show polite respect to the proper authorities.

‘proper respect’ meaning ‘keep your head down and stay where I can’t see you’.

And if you don’t, you are provoking My Wrath and thus deserve what you get from the police/judge/jury.

Straight up crass authoritarianism, directly out of JBS commie-baiting, bull connor mentality that labels Nelson Mandela “that criminal!!!!”

541 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:02:40pm

Holy crap… Apple did not think iCloud through all that well.

Warning: NSFW probably means not safe for Photo Stream

You’re out of town and your special someone is back home so you decide to secretly snap some racy pictures of yourself and sext them on over. Meanwhile they’re just finishing showing off the new iPad or Apple TV to mom and dad, the screen saver or slide show kicks in, and your private pics just start Photo Streaming by…
And they can’t be deleted. Not until they’re automatically removed from your iOS devices after 30 days or 1000 photos, so you’re logging out of everything for a month or taking 1000 pictures of the floor or something to flush the stream… because otherwise you’re stuck.

Many hilarious stories are going to come out of this, mark my words.

542 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:03:29pm

re: #540 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You are equating Kilgores take on OWS to apartheid?
A ridiculous stretch.

543 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:04:02pm

They killed Daylife.

daylife.com

544 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:04:03pm

re: #538 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I said exactly what I meant re: “there is no need”.

Relax: there is no need to get defensive of KT. If you have underlying issues with what I said, just say so.

No underlying issues. An up-front issue, though.

I don’t take orders from you as to what I think needs or doesn’t need to be said.
I’m not sure why you think it’s OK to tell me and others that there is no need for us to participate in a conversation, or give an opinion. I. Don’t. Get. It.

I have never told you to refrain from giving your opinion, or that your opinion or participation was unnecessary or unneeded or that “there was no need”. So why do you tell me that? I don’t get it.

545 boxhead  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:04:12pm

re: #1 Summer

They won’t stop at putting their fingers in their own ears and singing loudly when they don’t want to hear anything about Science; they now want to plug your ears for you as well.

What are they singing? I always opted for humming instead… :)

546 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:05:02pm

re: #541 JasonA

Oh apple you goofballs!

547 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:06:00pm

re: #542 Rightwingconspirator

Funny thing, if She’d said MLK she would have been right on.

I presume she didn’t because the whole ‘they said the Civil Rights movement were Commies too!’ thing is getting a bit old by now.

548 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:06:18pm

Well, I’m out for the evening.

549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:07:39pm

re: #542 Rightwingconspirator

You are equating Kilgores take on OWS to apartheid?
A ridiculous stretch.

Lol yeah, I’m equating it to “apartheid” e_e

The commiebaiting and glee over cops bashing in heads is old old old sauce. They’ve been trotting it out since some time in the twenties of last century…every left protest is evil commies, everyone in it is a criminal, everyone is violent and must be suppressed.

In that way, KT’s rhetoric draws that historical parallel, itself. It’s not a new discussion in the past week, Rightwingconspirator.

550 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:08:45pm

In other news, I had a hunk of flesh the size of a dime chopped out of my leg to be biopsied today.

Good times!

551 freetoken  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:09:15pm

re: #532 Gus 802

IMO your Page is well done and you’ve accumulated enough evidence to open an investigation, even if we can not come to a conclusion yet.

The only thing that might make the Page a bit less susceptible to needing to re-edit later would be to add a question mark at the end of the title.

Now, continuing with my arm-chair sociolog-i-zing, I think the correlation between the demographics in the more strenuous (i.e., gun-totting) Tea Party groups with the rash of dispossessed/disenfranchised/marginalized white middle age male violence (with guns) is something that needs to be looked at closely.

552 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:09:30pm

re: #543 Gus 802

They killed Daylife.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

What the fuck did they do? Ugh. Is that even usable?

553 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:09:57pm

re: #544 reine.de.tout

No underlying issues. An up-front issue, though.

I don’t take orders from you as to what I think needs or doesn’t need to be said.
I’m not sure why you think it’s OK to tell me and others that there is no need for us to participate in a conversation, or give an opinion. I. Don’t. Get. It.

I have never told you to refrain from giving your opinion, or that your opinion or participation was unnecessary or unneeded or that “there was no need”. So why do you tell me that? I don’t get it.

Lol! Where did I purport to give you orders or tell you you cannot participate in a conversation?

You had an overdefensive reaction about something not even said about KT. Yeah, I said something about the attempt to cram words in my mouth, big deal.

554 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:10:20pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

That’s the narrative and there’s not much use in resisting it. Most of the Lizards who remember those debates are long gone. To today’s lizards I’m a tea bagger extremist. So it goes.

I see you as stubborn. I see you as opinionated. I don’t see you as a tea bagger. I see no tea bagger regular here, and anyone who labels you as such is under a grave misapprehension.

555 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:10:29pm

Occupy Wall Street. I agree with the premise. I’m tired of the 99 percent being run over financially by the 1 percent. Pressured. Cornered. The death of the American Dream. I don’t agree with many of the various participants. I might disagree on one issue and others in disagreement.

So far there have been many arrests but not that many if you think about it. None protesters required any hospitalization because of NYPD interaction that was involved. Neither has then been any notable cases of property destruction by the demonstrators nor violence within the group.

Why I even pondered the thought of see the OWS group form some kind of alliance with some in the Tea Party. I guess in the end I will not be part of any group because that’s who I am. What I’d also like to say is that they all deserve a voice though. Even if we disagree with them. Be it OWS’r or Tea Partier. That’s how democracy works.

556 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:10:33pm

re: #548 reine.de.tout

Well, I’m out for the evening.

I’m off to snuggle da kittehs. G’nite

557 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:11:18pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Oh heck. I’m sure there’s probably a dozen or so wingnuts out there using a human silhouette for target practice with my name on it “Gus_802”.

”//”

Have you been peeking into my back yard?

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:11:27pm

re: #549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Okay. I’m stupid.

What in the hell does e_e mean?

I’ve seen it; and just can’t figure it out and I’m so incredibly too lazy to google it.

559 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:11:38pm

re: #552 Killgore Trout

What the fuck did they do? Ugh. Is that even usable?

I think it’s a full pay site now.

Unless they’re testing something and fecked up.

560 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:12:27pm
561 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:13:00pm

re: #559 Gus 802

I think it’s a full pay site now.

Unless they’re testing something and fecked up.

Well, on the bright side all those pictures of radical OWS protesters will be harder to find.
;)
G’nite

562 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:13:26pm

re: #561 Killgore Trout

Conspiracy!

563 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:13:43pm

re: #561 Killgore Trout

Well, on the bright side all those pictures of radical OWS protesters will be harder to find.
;)
G’nite

Thwack! Later ya’ knucklehead. ;)

564 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:14:11pm

Uh oh! My page hit the front page.

565 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:14:54pm

re: #564 Gus 802

Uh oh! My page hit the front page.

Hope nobody got hurt in the collision?

566 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:15:59pm

re: #549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol yeah, I’m equating it to “apartheid” e_e

The commiebaiting and glee over cops bashing in heads is old old old sauce. They’ve been trotting it out since some time in the twenties of this year…every left protest is evil commies, everyone in it is a criminal, everyone is violent and must be suppressed.

In that way, KT’s rhetoric draws that historical parallel, itself. It’s not a new discussion in the past week, Rightwingconspirator.

Lets look at where I got my impression you made an unsubtle reference to apartheid-“”mentality that labels Nelson Mandela “that criminal!!!””
That having been said, yes I had noticed the conversations this week and the ideological split that has arisen on OWS. I’m still learning what’s up with it, perhaps a bit less caught up on TP RW/LW comparisons than some.

567 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:16:13pm

re: #547 windsagio

Funny thing, if She’d said MLK she would have been right on.

Well, both are true. The rightwing position during the anti-apartheid years was indeed that “nelson mandela is a criminal” and a “terrorist”, and still is.

As for MLK and all of civil rights, yes, that is all legend. Same old crud, different millennium. Really, we can set our watch by when people start trotting out the same old stupid “violent leftist” memes.

568 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:16:31pm

re: #550 windsagio

In other news, I had a hunk of flesh the size of a dime chopped out of my leg to be biopsied today.

Good times!

Crap! Make sure you tell us the results, ‘K?

569 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:16:54pm
570 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:17:02pm

re: #558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. I’m stupid.

What in the hell does e_e mean?

I’ve seen it; and just can’t figure it out and I’m so incredibly too lazy to google it.

No, you’re not stupid. e_e, half-assed eyeroll. 9_9 full-fledged eyeroll.

571 boxhead  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:17:07pm

re: #560 windsagio

there’s been some destruction of protesters property tho’

(h/t Iceweasel)

From the link…

Startling footage shot by an onlooker shows members of Veterans for Peace, an organization of U.S. military veterans who oppose war, being arrested by members of the Boston Police Department, their flags — including the American flag — being thrown to the ground:

thinkprogress.org

That is UNACCEPTABLE……

572 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:17:35pm

re: #568 b_sharp

naturally, I’m not too worried, but AM sore >>

573 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:18:20pm

re: #567 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Those were also the times of the great conservative leader Francisco Franco.

574 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:18:30pm

re: #549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The commiebaiting and glee over cops bashing in heads is old old old sauce. They’ve been trotting it out since some time in the twenties of last century…every left protest is evil commies, everyone in it is a criminal, everyone is violent and must be suppressed.

Older even than that. Photograph of executed Communards, Paris 1871.

575 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:19:26pm

re: #573 Sergey Romanov

Might as well go full Godwin on this :D

The H man also was known to accuse opponents of being communists.

576 Four More Tears  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:19:48pm

re: #571 boxhead

From the link…

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

That is UNACCEPTABLE…

My favorite is how the police stopped a large group from putting a banner on the bridge that demanded the government put people to work fixing the decrepit thing. The reason the police stopped them? Because the bridge was unsafe…

577 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:20:07pm

re: #564 Gus 802

Uh oh! My page hit the front page.

Yer gunna get it, now…

578 boxhead  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:20:58pm

re: #576 JasonA

My favorite is how the police stopped a large group from putting a banner on the bridge that demanded the government put people to work fixing the decrepit thing. The reason the police stopped them? Because the bridge was unsafe…

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry…. arrrrrrrg

579 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:21:22pm

re: #575 windsagio

Might as well go full Godwin on this :D

The H man also was known to accuse opponents of being communists.

Heh. Well, it’s not continuing the analogy tho. The Franco thing was mainstream conservatism - a paean to him appeared in National Review.

580 windsagio  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:21:51pm

re: #579 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Well, it’s not continuing the analogy tho. The Franco thing was mainstream conservatism - a paean to him appeared in National Review.

True enough.

The great savior of Christianity too.

581 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:23:56pm

re: #580 windsagio

True enough.

The great savior of Christianity too.

No, like this:

… and a great savior of ***(eww Catholics eww)*** Christianity.

/

582 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:24:37pm

re: #551 freetoken

IMO your Page is well done and you’ve accumulated enough evidence to open an investigation, even if we can not come to a conclusion yet.

The only thing that might make the Page a bit less susceptible to needing to re-edit later would be to add a question mark at the end of the title.

Now, continuing with my arm-chair sociolog-i-zing, I think the correlation between the demographics in the more strenuous (i.e., gun-totting) Tea Party groups with the rash of dispossessed/disenfranchised/marginalized white middle age male violence (with guns) is something that needs to be looked at closely.

I agree, and I promoted Gus’s page.

583 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:24:55pm

re: #574 goddamnedfrank

Older even than that. Photograph of executed Communards, Paris 1871.

Way older than the 20s of last century, definitely.

In a US context, red-baiting/hating by the rw really got off the ground in the 20s. Want women to have an independent vote? Communist. Want your state to take down those “whites only” signs? Communist. Sick of fighting wars and not getting what’s promised to you by your own employer? Communist. Etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Want healthcare? Communist. 9_9

Happens in every generation; oldest trick in the hat. This is just our generation’s version.

584 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:27:51pm

re: #575 windsagio

Might as well go full Godwin on this :D

The H man also was known to accuse opponents of being communists.

Yeah, it is worth going Godwin, just to say how reflexive and knee-jerk the practice is.

Something or someone, somewhere, you don’t like? Label them a marxist, regardless of whether or not you know anything about that person. Then watch your dupes salivate and drool. It’s just so old.

585 Gus  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:29:19pm

re: #582 Charles

I agree, and I promoted Gus’s page.

Thanks. It was another one that came together through my comments. I was thinking and that’s a good way to create pages. From your own comment flow. Sometimes the pages are just right in there.

586 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 9:31:01pm

re: #555 Gus 802

So far there have been many arrests but not that many if you think about it. None protesters required any hospitalization because of NYPD interaction that was involved. Neither has then been any notable cases of property destruction by the demonstrators nor violence within the group.

And that is why I get so irritated by the constant railing about ‘violent tactics’ being ‘embraced’ by OWS, mostly by KT. Disagree with who organized it, fine - Obdicut has clearly opposed the involvement of Adbusters since the very beginning. He is clear on why he opposes it and I can respect that.

Someone mentioned earlier today that it gets very tiring to have to read the implication that if you support OWS in any way, you’re a dumb hippie who’s being duped by Marxists and if you were smart you’d realize that the violent Marxists are executing a bloodless coup and taking over the Democratic party.

In a word, that’s bullshit.

I lurked here for a long time before I signed up, and I signed up because I saw that people here could disagree without being insulting. And 99% of the time that has held true.

The other 1%, since the start of OWS, is exhausting to have to put up with. I realize that KT is sort of an elder here, and I at one point said that he was sticking up for the Tea Party (and after being corrected I took it back), and I won’t make that accusation again.

But don’t infer that those of us who support the idea of OWS are dupes or idiots because we think something good could (repeat, could) come out of OWS. It’s too early for me to know for sure that it could be a positive movement, and it’s damn sure too early to announce that it’s a failure. Just too soon to tell.

I do support the idea of OWS, and I think that if KT gets the consideration that he’s not a Tea Party supporter, then those of us who see something positive there also deserve the consideration that we’re not stupid hippies.

(Steps off soap box.)

587 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:34:26pm

re: #512 Sergey Romanov

I think KT also thinks he perceives double standards. At least that’s what he wrote.

Me, I’m perceiving double standards all over the damn place.

588 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:37:58pm

re: #550 windsagio

In other news, I had a hunk of flesh the size of a dime chopped out of my leg to be biopsied today.

Good times!

Ouch. Good luck on the results.

589 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:40:22pm

re: #575 windsagio

Might as well go full Godwin on this :D

The H man also was known to accuse opponents of being communists.

Meh, everyone knows communists don’t exist.

590 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:24:18pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

The harping for a second Kent State really disturbs me. Even the biggest critics of the Student Movements were shocked by what happened there and of course they conveintely forget that one of the students killed that day wasn’t even a protester but I guess he was collateral damage but anyone under 30 is a damned socialist who needs killing.

Ann Coulter On Kent State Massacre: “That’s What You Do With A Mob”, on Fox News’ Hannity on June 6th this year

591 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:39:29pm

re: #20 Charles

Wow.

I just spent about an hour looking through comments about OWS at right wing blogs.

I feel like I need a shower. Every single right wing site is just crammed with comments from people threatening violence, talking about their weapon collections, all caps rants saying “BRING IT ON!”, fantasies of driving tanks into the demonstrations, fantasies of murder of all kinds.

There must be hundreds of thousands of these comments. At Breitbart’s sites, Hot Air, Pajamas Media, Free Republic, everywhere. All of them are crammed with violent wingnut fantasies.

Bad Craziness.

This is really not unusual and should not be unexpected. There is a reason why Andrew Breitbart is so popular with the conservative movement: He is voicing the resentment and violent fantasies publically that they only dare to express pseudonomously on the internet.

592 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:46:01pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh look… a bunch of aging, beta male, apes are doing the equivalent of beating their chests and commenting on how large their penis substitutes are.

And this is what America has come to.

Excuse me, did you not upding this: littlegreenfootballs.com ?

593 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:01:12am

re: #586 makeitstop

And that is why I get so irritated by the constant railing about ‘violent tactics’ being ‘embraced’ by OWS, mostly by KT. Disagree with who organized it, fine - Obdicut has clearly opposed the involvement of Adbusters since the very beginning. He is clear on why he opposes it and I can respect that.

Someone mentioned earlier today that it gets very tiring to have to read the implication that if you support OWS in any way, you’re a dumb hippie who’s being duped by Marxists and if you were smart you’d realize that the violent Marxists are executing a bloodless coup and taking over the Democratic party.

In a word, that’s bullshit.

FWIW, I just don’t give a crud what people like that say about me. I’m very aware that OWS or no OWS, certain types are going to think that anyway, and apply whatever age-old epithets that have been lobbed at my various peoples over the generations, by the conservatives and the conformists. It will happen after OWS, too.

I could seriously, really, not give a shyt about their stupid, legendary group resentments. Those are old hat.

The thing is, for those paying attention, there has never been any consensus among those of us who have not jumped on the anti-OWS bandwagon. Obdi has had his criticism of Adbusters from the outset of the macing incident. Anyone can click on my avvie and type in “ANSWER” along with the rest of the search criteria and observe an evisceration of that bunch, also from the outset. Can’t speak for where SFZ is on OWS but she’s another who has a scathing criticism of ANSWER and related groups yet has avoided the anti-OWS bandwagon. There are many other examples. Everyone has their own point of view.

I don’t have to respect anyone who disrespects ME, including so-called, self-appointed “elders”. That’s on a general level. What I’ve noticed is that on a personal level when challenged on his claims, KT is not disrespectful - at worst he just ignores the challenge, which is his prerogative. I also notice that KT is never the one to pull rank on his behalf. I find that really interesting and I do respect KT for that much.

594 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:14:04am

re: #181 Renaissance_Man

I don’t know where you’re seeing a lack of criticism. You’ve got significant numbers of Americans gleefully hoping that these socialist Marxist Commies will give them an excuse to open fire. You’ve got the most powerful media network in the country playing it up as lefty radicals marching to Obama’s orders, milking it for all it’s worth.

I think what KT is saying is that people who are in agreement with the general gist of the OWS protests, the issues, what Obdicut is talking about, should be more critical of the whackos so that the movement will continiously be able to legitimately lay claim to represent the center while it ascends. Silence is consent, to a degree, and where disagreement is absent, ANSWER et al will fill pockets of power vacuum.

This article in TNR that KT linked is reflective of this legitimate concern:
Protests and Power: Should liberals support Occupy Wall Street?

595 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:18:23am

re: #594 000G

I think what KT is saying is that people who are in agreement with the general gist of the OWS protests, the issues, what Obdicut is talking about, should be more critical of the whackos so that the movement will continiously be able to legitimately lay claim to represent the center while it ascends.

This article in TNR that KT linked is reflective of this legitimate concern:
Protests and Power: Should liberals support Occupy Wall Street?

Nah, KT is pretty squarely on the reactionary smash-the-ippies/commies crowd. I don’b buy the feigned concern about OWS’s sustainability or the left’s credibility for one second.

596 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:22:11am

re: #188 Killgore Trout

I don’t see that distinction. The Tea Party was born from the same populist anger.

It’s not the same populist anger simply because it’s not the same populace. Cf. Charles’ remarks on age difference between the movements.

597 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:23:33am

re: #595 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nah, KT is pretty squarely on the reactionary smash-the-ippies/commies crowd. I don’b buy the feigned concern about OWS’s sustainability or the left’s credibility for one second.

I don’t really care how KT feels unless he lets it hang out in the open and lets it damage his argument and consequently the debate in general as well (something you have been doing as well in the past). What matters is his argument. It doesn’t matter if he sincerely believes in it or not for his argument to be true or critically important.

598 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:26:07am

re: #200 makeitstop

Not to mention that it was a ‘populist’ movement bankrolled by lobbyists and former GOP Congress-vultures.

Fake to its core. OWS may have some ‘extremists’ (big fucking surprisae - they’ve been showing up at liberal demonstrations for years), but I’ve yet to see sinister big-bucks donors pulling the puppet strings.

Maybe I’m not squinting hard enough.
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599 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:28:13am

re: #201 Rightwingconspirator

I’m getting more and more inclined to go to Occupy LA with a couple cameras and see what there is to see and hear what there is to hear for myself. I was going to go out Sunday for a session, may as well pick O LA for my subject.

I’d hope to bring a less loaded point of view to an essay, driven by what I learn there.

Always a good idea to get in touch with your fellow human beings in order to understand what is going on. Kudos!

600 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:37:50am

re: #597 000G

I don’t really care how KT feels unless he lets it hang out in the open and lets it damage his argument and consequently the debate in general as well (something you have been doing as well in the past). What matters is his argument. It doesn’t matter if he sincerely believes in it or not for his argument to be true or critically important.

Well, says you. There are all manner of arguments about OWS; KT’s multiple arguments are one set among many.

Everyone here has a critique of OWS. I happen not to buy the reflexive, reactionary, commie-baiting one that celebrates violence against nonviolent protesters as articulated mainly by KT but by others as well. Some others might, for their own reasons.

601 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:41:41am

re: #247 Stanley Sea

FA

Actually, that vowel would rather be ɤ or əː

There’s tons of videos on correct Vietnamese pronunciation on YT, btw.

602 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:42:38am

re: #600 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I happen not to buy the reflexive, reactionary, commie-baiting one that celebrates violence against nonviolent protesters as articulated mainly by KT but by others as well. Some others might, for their own reasons.

But see, that’s not the only one KT is making and it was not the one I was refering to. So you can, yknow, chillax.

603 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 12:48:47am

re: #594 000G

This article in TNR that KT linked is reflective of this legitimate concern:
Protests and Power: Should liberals support Occupy Wall Street?

Ok but as a liberal, I don’t have to run to TNR to determine what I should think or feel about OWS, any more than I need someone at LGF to tell me what to think/feel about OWS.

re: #602 000G

But see, that’s not the only one KT is making and it was not the one I was refering to. So you can, yknow, chillax.

Lol chill to the zillax in the heezy, yourself. Did I not just refer to KT’s multiple criticisms?

This isn’t really about KT, anyway.

604 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 1:07:42am

re: #603 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ok but as a liberal, I don’t have to run to TNR to determine what I should think or feel about OWS, any more than I need someone at LGF to tell me what to think/feel about OWS.

[…]

This isn’t really about KT, anyway.

Yeah, you should look up what post I initially replied to.

605 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 1:08:49am

re: #411 Sergey Romanov

Um, Jesus was a carpenter, if you go by the gospel (which I don’t).

Fish is an important symbol in early Christianity. Also, I believe a lot of the earliest Christians were fishermen.

606 boxhead  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 1:22:29am

I support, what I perceive to be the OWS reasons for their protests. Number one is that the banks were bailed out by tax payers and continue to squeeze the flow of loans. They continue to not treat struggling home owners as they were treated by us. In short, they continue to be anti American, IMO.

607 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 2:03:56am

re: #474 Sergey Romanov

Pointing out blackness is never relevant. Pointing out TP may become relevant (although at the moment it’s weak).

Pointing out that the guy was a member of the New Black Panthers would be relevant.


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