Wingnuts Circulate 2007 Anti-War Photo to Smear Occupy Wall Street

A real photo that tells a false story

WingnutsOctober 2011 • Views: 48,290

Here’s something interesting: while doing my janitorial rounds, I noticed referrals coming from Reddit, from a discussion of a new anti-Occupy Wall Street smear circulating on Facebook, a photograph of some anarchists with a sign that says, “Fuck the Troops.”

The photograph’s real enough:

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But it’s almost 5 years old; it was posted in March 2007 at Little Green Footballs. And it was nowhere near Wall Street; it was an anti-war demonstration in Oregon.

So when you see this photo start showing up at right wing blogs, now you’ll know where it really came from.

(By the way, if you want to talk about a disturbingly nasty leftist demonstration, that one in 2007 was the real deal; they also burned a US soldier in effigy.)

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192 comments

makeitstop Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:27:29pm

Well, one thing you can say about the rightie blogs - it looks as though they've whole-heartedly embraced the concept of recycling.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:29:20pm

Ah, anarchists. How they love to provoke.

_{and then claim that the ones that did were planted.}

Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:31:27pm

They shit on a flag too. Lovely folks.

engineer cat Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:32:20pm

i think i was an anarchist for 15 minutes or so before i reached the age of 16

Varek Raith Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:33:10pm

re: #4 engineer dog

i think i was an anarchist for 15 minutes or so before i reached the age of 16

I used to be a nihilist, then I realized how pointless being one is.
:P
/

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:35:11pm

re: #5 Varek Raith

Actual nihilist organization acronym.

notonanyday Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:39:49pm

Just so there's no misunderstanding; things can veer toward the other side of the spectrum in the Beaver State:

The Oregonian: Suspect in Cody Myers' death says Oregon youth was collateral damage in war for white supremacy

"In every war, there are going to be civilian casualties, and he was one of them."

Tigger2 Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:40:22pm

The right wing media is so damn predictable.

Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:41:52pm

Don't these blogs do the modicum of research?

Why not just post this?

Image: 350px-Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:44:08pm

For the record, "anarchism" spans the breadth of what was previously defined here as the moronic convergence.

Tigger2 Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:44:40pm

re: #9 Obdicut

Don't these blogs do the modicum of research?

Why not just post this?

Image: 350px-Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg

I thought that was a picture of a teabagger rally.

Wozza Matter? Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:46:10pm

Anarchists over the age of 15 tend to be insufferable assholes. And?.

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:48:39pm

re: #10 laZardo

My Ideology is represented by the Red Rose.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:50:41pm

re: #13 ProLifeLiberal

I prefer the middle finger.

And my anthem? [h/t Kragar]

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:52:37pm

Let me add some magical balance.

Right-wingers showing support for troops.

Youtube Video

Kruk Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:53:19pm

re: #4 engineer dog

i think i was an anarchist for 15 minutes or so before i reached the age of 16

I was an anarchist till I got kicked out for not following the rules.

Seriously, pictures like this are why while I'm a die-hard Liberal, I don't associate with the far Left. Too many of these tossers around.

Big Joe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:54:00pm

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

Let me add some magical balance.

Right-wingers showing support for troops.

[Video]

Supposedly those assholes vote democratic..

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:54:43pm

re: #17 mracb

Supposedly those assholes vote democratic..

Supposed by whom?

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:55:08pm

Meanwhile, in Manila...

_{yeah, we're that serious about protesting.}

Big Joe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:56:02pm

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

Supposed by whom?

I've heard they are registered Democrats. I have no authoritative link on it.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:56:26pm

re: #17 mracb

Supposedly those assholes vote democratic..

Old man Phelps is a registered Democrat who did support Gore's 1988 presidential campaign but they also picketted his father's funeral.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:57:28pm

re: #20 mracb

I've heard they are registered Democrats. I have no authoritative link on it.

I've heard the same which some dumb people use as "proof" that they're liberals. Which is ridiculous logic considering that they're very definition of reactionary.

Big Joe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:57:49pm

Yeh, Wiki says
Democratic Party

Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15 percent of the vote in 1998.[31] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31 percent of the vote.[32] Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993[33][unreliable source?] and 1997.[34

]

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:58:47pm

re: #20 mracb

I've heard they are registered Democrats. I have no authoritative link on it.

So you just made up that they vote Democratic. I doubt they vote at all. As for being registered as someone or other, it means nothing. They're right-wingers.

Ojoe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:58:55pm

The right wing can post what it wants. These protests aren't going away.

And check this out: Lech Walesa is going to address the "OWS" protest.

[Link: www.wbj.pl...]

“How could I not respond?” Mr Wałęsa told Lublin-based newspaper Dziennik Wschodni. “The thousands of people gathered near Wall Street are worried about their future, about the fate of their country. This is something I understand.”

“Capitalism has found itself in a crisis and something has to be done because the world is in rebellion” said Mr Wałęsa. “Ordinary people express the truth about the general issues. They deserve respect and serious treatment. If the Wall Street protesters thought I could contribute [to their cause], then I'm ready” he added."

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:59:06pm

Gotta love PDX.

And I'll just leave it vague like that :D

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 4:59:39pm

re: #25 Ojoe

Walesa is a tool.

Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:00:00pm

re: #26 windsagio

Oh my, how provocative.

Ojoe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:00:14pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Of what, in this instance?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:00:41pm

re: #29 Ojoe

Of what, in this instance?

In general.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:00:42pm

re: #28 Obdicut

Oh my, how provocative.

I know, right?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:01:27pm

re: #31 windsagio

I know, right?

I don't know. Why do you ask me? //

Wozza Matter? Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:01:47pm

Too tired.

Can't follow.

G'night all.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:02:58pm

I think there's something useful there though, that image is what the right has seen in every protest since about 1953.

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:03:24pm

re: #13 ProLifeLiberal

My Ideology is represented by the Red Rose.

Bingo.

[Link: www.dsausa.org...]

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:04:37pm

re: #30 Sergey Romanov

An attention seeker? Or is he a Romney-esque character?

I'm assuming him being an informant in the past plays into your opinion of him.

To be honest, I would much rather have Vaclav Havel.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:05:04pm

re: #34 windsagio

What does your nick mean, if I'm not prying?

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:06:32pm

re: #35 wlewisiii

There is a minor difference of what I speak to that.

Social Democracy is what the Scandinavian nations have been built on, where as Chavez in Venezuela is a Democratic Socialist.

I want an outright Labor Party in the US.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:06:41pm

re: #34 windsagio

I think there's something useful there though, that image is what the right has seen in every protest since about 1953.

Only thing it's missing is an interracial gay couple recruiting kids for homosexuality but yeah pretty much.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:06:43pm

re: #37 Sergey Romanov

Back in Highschool I played the game "Master of Magic" a lot, and it asked you to enter a name for yourself/your kingdom/whatever. I tended to just mash buttons semi-randomly, and one time this came out. The amazing wordlikeness of it made it stick.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:07:08pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Also Pictures of Castro.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:07:49pm

re: #41 windsagio

Also Pictures of Castro.

Yep. But yeah that image as you say pretty much illustrates what the right sees every left wing protest as.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:09:44pm

re: #36 ProLifeLiberal

You got it. My opinion of him dropped when I learned that not only he snitched on his colleagues to the Polish security service, but that he later destroyed many documents about his past as an informant (though he didn't know about all of them, so some survived in local archives and were later published), thus abusing his presidential powers, and continued to lie about his past even after the documents had been revealed, claiming everything is faked. Only this year he actually slipped and confirmed he signed up for being a secret informer, tho he claimed he didn't actually inform. Before that he lied even about signing the papers.

Then, of course, there's a fact of him endorsing a Tea Party candidate and agreeing with a wingnut reporter that the US is "on the road to socialism".

Ojoe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:11:37pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

Huh !

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:12:31pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

You got it. My opinion of him dropped when I learned that not only he snitched on his colleagues to the Polish security service, but that he later destroyed many documents about his past as an informant (though he didn't know about all of them, so some survived in local archives and were later published), thus abusing his presidential powers, and continued to lie about his past even after the documents had been revealed, claiming everything is faked. Only this year he actually slipped and confirmed he signed up for being a secret informer, tho he claimed he didn't actually inform. Before that he lied even about signing the papers.

Then, of course, there's a fact of him endorsing a Tea Party candidate and agreeing with a wingnut reporter that the US is "on the road to socialism".

That really is too bad. I had long admired him. Agree with PFL though that Havel is the more admirable guy and no I don't say that because I am Slovak as opposed to Polish heh. Who was the TP candidate he supported out of curiosity tho?

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:13:24pm

Been doing some tweaks around the site you may have noticed -- for one, the counter for number of characters left in the comment posting box is now up next to the style icons, to match the way it appears elsewhere on the site.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:14:21pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:14:36pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

What a classy guy.

/////

He seems to care more about keeping himself in the news than anything else.

I think Vaclav Havel is pretty awesome. Your thoughts?

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:14:39pm

re: #26 windsagio

Gotta love PDX.

And I'll just leave it vague like that :D

It's like Mini-STL.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:15:29pm

re: #48 ProLifeLiberal

What a classy guy.

///

I think Vaclav Havel is pretty awesome. Your thoughts?

Agreed of course.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:15:40pm

re: #48 ProLifeLiberal

Isn't Vaclav Havel an AGW denier?

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:16:02pm

re: #47 Sergey Romanov

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

He comes across as a blatant opportunist.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:17:14pm

re: #51 laZardo

I think you're confusing him with Vaclav Klaus.

Ojoe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:18:04pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Havel used to have a literary commentary spot (on National Public Radio, IIRC), & I was very impressed with his intelligence & humanity.

BBL

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:18:08pm

re: #51 laZardo

Isn't Vaclav Havel an AGW denier?

NO, I think that's Vaclav Klaus, his successor as president of hte Czech Republic. I've seen it said before but I've never seen anything that suggests Havel is one. I think people get confused because really other than Havel how many Vaclav's are there that are commonly known to the American mind and Mr. Havel himself is stretching the Vaclav name game.

Kronocide Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:19:04pm

Get of your ass and join the occupation!

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:19:25pm

re: #51 laZardo

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

Sergey is correct.

And Klaus is at least as big a clown as Walesa. Havel and Klaus were/are rivals, if I'm not mistaken.

Klaus is also, along with Berlesconi, a stooge for Putin.

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:20:02pm

Quite a few people turning out in Times Square:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:20:11pm

re: #57 ProLifeLiberal

While Havel is strongly anti-Putin.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:20:53pm

re: #46 Charles
Thanks for the improved features.

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:21:12pm

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

As I would expect of the man. Also, Klaus looks ugly.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:23:14pm

Here's a clincher:

[Link: www.catholicnewsagency.com...]

Barcelona, Spain, May 21, 2009 / 09:59 am (CNA).- Nobel Peace Prize laureate and ex-president of Poland, Lech Walesa, said in Spain this week he would have resigned as president “twenty times” before signing a law that would allow abortion in his country.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:24:00pm

re: #58 Charles

Quite a few people turning out in Times Square:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

It's growing. And is a testament that the general idea is agreed upon by many. The small bad factions are just that at this point.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:24:51pm

The Velvet Divorce is an interesting aspect of Havel's legacy to me as a Slovak-American. From what I understand and I am by no means justifying Tiso allying with the Axis, but apparently Slovaks felt the Czechs dominated Czechoslovakia in the 20's and 30's politically and stuff. Havel showed he was a statesman by being willing to let them go independent and from what I understand Czech-Slovak relations are strong. Just don't call me Czech ;). My cousin who works with Slovaks since the Eastern European students do a lot of summer work in Ocean City, Maryland likes to tease them by pretending to be an ignorant tourist when she's off duty at work and asks them if they're Russian. Good laughs.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:24:56pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Strangely orderly bunch in that photo...

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:26:39pm

re: #56 BigPapa

...but she's still on hers.

/semantics, semantics

R.M, Ramallo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:27:16pm

re: #66 laZardo

Oh no! zombies !
:)

R.M, Ramallo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:28:42pm

Shoot, that was for Windsagio.

Lidane Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:30:11pm

re: #12 wozzablog

Anarchists over the age of 15 tend to be insufferable assholes. And?.

Youtube Video

I was a teenage anarchist, looking for a revolution.
I had the style, I had the ambition.
I read all the authors, I knew the right slogans.
There was no war but the class war.
I was ready to set the world on fire.
I was a teenage anarchist, looking for a revolution.

Do you remember when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fire?

I was a teenage anarchist, but the politics were too convenient.
In the depths of their humanity all I saw was bloodless ideology.
And with freedom as the doctrine, guess who was the new authority?
I was a teenage anarchist, but the politics were too convenient.

Do you remember when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fire?

I was a teenage anarchist, but then the scene got too rigid.
It was a mob mentality, they set their rifle sights on me.
Narrow visions of autonomy, you want me to surrender my identity.
I was a teenage anarchist, the revolution was a lie.

Do you remember when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fire?

I was a teenage anarchist.

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:30:30pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I might want to put a list of the Ethnic Groups I have in my ancestry. Slovak is in mine as well. I'm a Heinz 57.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:32:57pm

re: #62 Sergey Romanov

Here's a clincher:

Well that one's not surprising. Poland's probably one of the more socially conservative countries in the EU. One thing though that is interesting is how Ireland seems to be becoming more socially liberal. Still conservative on abortion yes but from what a friend told me, apparently one of their presidential frontrunners is a gay man and their Taoiseach(Prime Minister) recently stood up to the church on the church abuse cases there.

jamesfirecat Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:35:44pm

So it is just the "add in images from an earlier rally that was better attended in order to make our latest rally look good" trick in reverse.... somehow I'm not surprised.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:36:13pm

re: #70 ProLifeLiberal

I might want to put a list of the Ethnic Groups I have in my ancestry. Slovak is in mine as well. I'm a Heinz 57.

I'm an azkal* too.

[*short for asong kalye lit. "dog of the street" but also meaning mutt]

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:36:27pm

re: #4 engineer dog

i think i was an anarchist for 15 minutes or so before i reached the age of 16

Some conservatives think they are anarchists every time taxes are due.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:37:27pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

They shit on a flag too. Lovely folks.

It's "shat", isn't it?

I am glad OWS keeps it to police cars.

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:38:18pm

re: #73 laZardo

Mom's from Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh to be exact), so I just use Heinz 57.

Lidane Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:38:54pm

re: #74 000G

Some conservatives think they are anarchists every time taxes are due.

And they fancy themselves as part of the producing elites when they look at OWS, too. Not even close.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:39:33pm

re: #73 laZardo

My only interesting family note is that my Great-Grandfather was Jewish and mysteriously dissapeared when my Grandfather was like 3. We know basically nothing else about him.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:40:59pm

OT: I love Seanbaby

That being said, when I was a kid and saw Brooke Shields' amazing act of taking off her pants and telling dogs what to do, I knew immediately that my future sex life was going to get kind of dark.

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:41:08pm

re: #73 laZardo

I'm an azkal* too.

[*short for asong kalye lit. "dog of the street" but also meaning mutt]

I thnk most are more mutt than they realize. I thought for the longest time I was just a quarter Irish-German-Slovak-Slovene but I found out that a great great grandparent was Scottish born, and family has been sayng we're Swiss-German whatever that means for ages, plus I know my Slovak great grandparents were not Roman Catholic but a form of Greek Catholic. I suspect some ties to the Russian empire given that my great grandfather worked as a young man not in the Austro-Hungarian empire but the Russian one.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:41:41pm

re: #74 000G

Some conservatives think they are anarchists every time taxes are due.

Austrian School Anarchists. "No government messing with our gold!"

wrenchwench Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:43:23pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I thnk most are more mutt than they realize. I thought for the longest time I was just a quarter Irish-German-Slovak-Slovene but I found out that a great great grandparent was Scottish born, and family has been sayng we're Swiss-German whatever that means for ages, plus I know my Slovak great grandparents were not Roman Catholic but a form of Greek Catholic. I suspect some ties to the Russian empire given that my great grandfather worked as a young man not in the Austro-Hungarian empire but the Russian one.

Hey, I'm Irish-German-Slovene-Polish, maybe we're related!

/Later, lizards.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:44:07pm

Oh, hell. Who bought the hippies a time machine?
/

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:44:41pm

re: #83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, hell. Who bought the hippies a time machine?
/

Doc Brown was kinda hippiysh...

Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:45:15pm

re: #83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Illusion is just a time, man!

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:48:25pm

re: #85 Obdicut

Illusion is just a time, man!

Strike that, reverse it.
-Willy Wonka.

Daniel Ballard Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:57:04pm

Just got back from Occupy LA. I saw nothing against the troops at OLA. Not a peep. Saw and talked to a couple guys in uniform. Nothing like the picture Charles posted above. The RW extremists are full of crap, as always.

Very little craziness. No tension. Festival communal atmosphere. The few police around looked bored. Lots and lots of tents. City hall is surrounded by tents and booths. It's surprisingly clean, if cluttered from randomness of tents and booths and people.

Far and away the most common signs were about corporate greed or influence. No big Obama pro or con. Not hardly any partisan stuff. Some anti GOP stuff. No big anti Obama signs that we could see.
The strangest guy I saw there was a chemtrail advocate in a purple suit. (shudder) Oh and the Communist party has a booth. No big deal. No LaRouch booth oddly enough.

We got some video with very dubious audio given the general noise level. We got lots of pictures of signs and the area. I'm going back in the morning to try to get interviews at quiet locations. I need a good mic.

I think I'll clip the images in with video and page that. Gonna take a bit of time to get that right. Maybe by tomorrow night. The only bad moment was a report that was being spread by the organizers about a beat down at OWS. May be a false report, dunno.

Idle Drifter Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:58:36pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

We are all Heinz 57. Though on a side note. When I was on the LHD-6 Bonnie Dick I had a fellow Marine ask me the origin of my last name. I replied it was Polish. He then asked me if knew how to speak Polish. After answering 'no' he proceeded to jibe me for not taking pride in my heritage. I then went on to explain that I had to learn at least 8 more languages to meet his standards.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 5:59:58pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

Just got back from Occupy LA. I saw nothing against the troops at OLA. Not a peep. Saw and talked to a couple guys in uniform. Nothing like the picture Charles posted above. The RW extremists are full of crap, as always.

Very little craziness. No tension. Festival communal atmosphere. The few police around looked bored. Lots and lots of tents. City hall is surrounded by tents and booths. It's surprisingly clean, if cluttered from randomness of tents and booths and people.

Far and away the most common signs were about corporate greed or influence. No big Obama pro or con. Not hardly any partisan stuff. Some anti GOP stuff. No big anti Obama signs that we could see.
The strangest guy I saw there was a chemtrail advocate in a purple suit. (shudder) Oh and the Communist party has a booth. No big deal. No LaRouch booth oddly enough.

We got some video with very dubious audio given the general noise level. We got lots of pictures of signs and the area. I'm going back in the morning to try to get interviews at quiet locations. I need a good mic.

I think I'll clip the images in with video and page that. Gonna take a bit of time to get that right. Maybe by tomorrow night. The only bad moment was a report that was being spread by the organizers about a beat down at OWS. May be a false report, dunno.

Very cool RWC.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:00:29pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

Oh and the Communist party has a booth.

Which one?

/partial

EDIT: Socialist Alternative had two tables at OS at one point. :B

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:04:12pm

re: #88 Idle Drifter

I'd be worse. Full list of Ethnicities in Ancestry, West to East. My Grandfather has traced the family back at least 4-5 generations back, with some places going back 900 years:

Irish
-Scotch-Irish
Welsh
Scottish
English
French
-Alsatian
Dutch
-Frisian Largest Contributer
German
Norwegian
Danish
Swedish
Polish
Slovakian
Russian

My mom's side married into essentially every ethnic group that came into the US.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:05:30pm

re: #91 ProLifeLiberal

You only got European. I got Spanish, Chinese and "indio" Filipino.

/NOT THAT I'M ONE TO BRAG O:

ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:07:38pm

re: #92 laZardo

I've been on both sides of most Major European Wars for the past 500+ Years, ancestrally. You have to admit that is impressive.

In any case, with the people I interact with, there is a decent chance I marry someone from the MENA or South Asia.

Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:09:11pm

Interesting post at former adversary:

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:10:51pm

Heh for some reason I always hoped I was the so called Black Irish. But it from what i understand is largely a myth that shipwrecked Spanish sailors married Irish girls. I do get compliments on my eyes though from people who think bright blue eyes contrasted with dark hair is attractive though. so I'll take that.

Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:11:32pm

re: #94 Charles

Absolutely agree.

Hell, I might print this out to pass out down at OWS, for anyone who's offline enough not to have seen it.

Laptops were actually not that common.

laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:11:58pm

While we wait for the next season of Superjail... HAVE MOAR PONIES.

windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:13:59pm

re: #97 laZardo

I really don't get the MLP thing. Maybe I'm just to hipster animation fan, but it seems so obviously and brutally manufactured by committee. No heart.

Daniel Ballard Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:14:45pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

Thanks. Sometimes it's just all about seeing for yourself. I could get behind this thing. I really could. But it's at a fragile point. I did see a seminar on how to have a mass crows meeting. Crowd sign language lessons kinda. A certain wave if you agree, waving your hands up and down in front of your face to signal disagreement. Crossed arms if you think what is being said is dangerous to the cause. Very interesting lesson in practical democracy where you need to let people speak uninterrupted. In a very diverse crowd. Tough mission there.

100

prairiefire Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:14:52pm

I can remember when folks were talking about sainthood for Walesa.

101

allegro Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:15:06pm

re: #94 Charles

Interesting post at former adversary:

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

All of those are excellent suggestions. I think this one is my favorite:

6. We have to walk a thin line when it comes to the law. Civil disobedience is a valid tool and it changes the world. But not if it is violent or disrespectful of the very people the 1 percent are already screwing over. We have to be better than the other side, not fall into their tactics or fall for the traps they are setting for us. And keep in mind that law enforcement and other people who may appear to be our opposition at times are getting screwed over by the 1 percent, too. We should be recruiting them, not antagonizing them.

Something I've been thinking about since all of this began. Talk about a powerful force that we want to recruit and keep sympathetic.

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ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:16:45pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Let's be blunt.

It is.

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Kronocide Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:16:52pm

My wife's family is coming over for dinner.

Brie, Irish aged cheddar, iberico, and manchego cheeses, green grapes, chicken salad, lots of fu fu crackers.

Stag's Leap Karia chardonnay
Cloudy Bay sauvignon blanc
cheap Alscace Gewurtztraminer

Ahi shoyu poke
Garlic shrimp poke

basil and fresh motz pizza

(not my actual pics but close enough)

Today is Occupy Bigpapa's Backyard

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laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:17:29pm

re: #98 windsagio

I really don't get the MLP thing. Maybe I'm just to hipster animation fan, but it seems so obviously and brutally manufactured by committee. No heart.

That, ironically (and not in a hipster way), is how MLP suddenly caused Anon's heart to grow three sizes that day.

Unfortunately, the Ponies also met the Internet and...

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allegro Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:17:59pm

re: #103 BigPapa

My wife's family is coming over for dinner.

Brie, Irish aged cheddar, iberico, and manchego cheeses, green grapes, chicken salad, lots of fu fu crackers.

Stag's Leap Karia chardonnay
Cloudy Bay sauvignon blanc
cheap Alscace Gewurtztraminer

Ahi shoyu poke
Garlic shrimp poke

basil and fresh motz pizza

(not my actual pics but close enough)

Today is Occupy Bigpapa's Backyard

Wow, can I come too?

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jamesfirecat Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:17:59pm

re: #97 laZardo

While we wait for the next season of Superjail... HAVE MOAR PONIES.

Brohoof!

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HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:17:59pm

re: #102 ProLifeLiberal

Let's be blunt.

It is.

Zooey Deschanel does it well.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:18:06pm

re: #58 Charles

Quite a few people turning out in Times Square:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Never thought I'd see the day. Nice.

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prairiefire Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:19:01pm

re: #105 allegro

Wow, can I come too?

I agree!

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kirkspencer Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:19:27pm

re: #91 ProLifeLiberal

I'd be worse. Full list of Ethnicities in Ancestry, West to East. My Grandfather has traced the family back at least 4-5 generations back, with some places going back 900 years:

Irish
-Scotch-Irish
Welsh
Scottish
English
French
-Alsatian
Dutch
-Frisian Largest Contributer
German
Norwegian
Danish
Swedish
Polish
Slovakian
Russian

My mom's side married into essentially every ethnic group that came into the US.

And to add to it, of course, just because they came from there doesn't mean their ancestors came from there.

There are all the offspring of wars (captures, rapes, refugees, etc). Then you get the whole-sale migrations and diasporas.

"pure" isn't.

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prairiefire Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:19:39pm

re: #103 BigPapa

Is poke like a cold salad?

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ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:19:59pm

re: #103 BigPapa

I want to help with this occupation. :P

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jamesfirecat Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:20:45pm

re: #98 windsagio

I really don't get the MLP thing. Maybe I'm just to hipster animation fan, but it seems so obviously and brutally manufactured by committee. No heart.

Bah!

There are criticisms one can make of Friendship is magic, but I don't see how you can say it has no heart!

What lead you to that conclusion?

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:22:07pm

re: #108 Gus 802

The news here is reporting that it was reasonably disorderly but peaceful, with just a few people arrested on minor things like pushing down barricades.

The police apparently showed restraint too, haven't heard of anything to the contrary.

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windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:22:36pm

re: #104 laZardo

do its based in 4chan contrariness :D

I think it bugs me because its SO OBVIOUSLY ripping off PPG, which was straight-up satire.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:22:53pm

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

Sometimes it's just all about seeing for yourself.

Yep, my thoughts about this from day one was the basic premise is one I can stand behind. Reading what Charles' posted from C & L was enlightening as well, in that the occupations really have been painted badly by the powerful media and right wing.

Again, I go back to the 70 year old lady in Chicago who used to work for a brokerage firm. She went down there, she's probably representative of the majority of the feelings. Dare anyone to call her a commie hippie.

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jamesfirecat Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:23:46pm

re: #115 windsagio

do its based in 4chan contrariness :D

I think it bugs me because its SO OBVIOUSLY ripping off PPG, which was straight-up satire.

Ummm... would you feel any better if you knew that Friendship is Magic is directed by the same person who directed Power Puff Girls?

So if Lauren Faust if ripping off someone, she's only doing it to herself....

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:25:13pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Ummm... would you feel any better if you knew that Friendship is Magic is directed by the same person who directed Power Puff Girls?

So if Lauren Faust if ripping off someone, she's only doing it to herself...

This is the most internet battle that LGF has ever seen. Please consider your next arguments well, gentlemen. I'm besides myself following the deft parry-thrust of this.

En garde!

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:26:50pm

OMG I love this:

Image: pict107.jpg

Occupy Wall Street protestors prepare for a day of demonstrations throughout Manhattan by having their hair cut in Zuccotti Park, Saturday, Oct. 15, 2011, in New York. As many as 1,000 protesters were marching Saturday morning to a Chase bank branch in the financial district, banging drums, blowing horns and carrying signs decrying corporate greed. Other demonstrations are planned around the city all day Saturday. (John Minchillo)

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:27:23pm

And yes I am familiar with Cryptome.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:28:24pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Fuck yeah! They're doing it! Holy shit, I am not kidding that that is the single most inspiring picture I've seen. Willingness to compromise! Realization that image matters for their message. It's like watching them grow up, the little tykes.

Seriously, I think they're getting more support from me now, and making me feel its more likely I'll find common cause there.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:28:39pm

WTF? Dude in Auburn football uniform, on sideline, holds up huge photo of George W. Bush as a play call?

I missed something here. WTF?

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ProGunLiberal Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:29:20pm

re: #110 kirkspencer

You got that right.

I do wonder one thing about the Occupy X Movement.

With as bad as things are in Italy, will it bring down the Berlesconi Government once and for all? He only survived a no-confidence vote yesterday by 15 votes (Out of a parliament of 617).

I don't think it would take much push him out.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:29:32pm

re: #121 Obdicut

Fuck yeah! They're doing it! Holy shit, I am not kidding that that is the single most inspiring picture I've seen. Willingness to compromise! Realization that image matters for their message. It's like watching them grow up, the little tykes.

Seriously, I think they're getting more support from me now, and making me feel its more likely I'll find common cause there.

Here's another one...

Image: pict106.jpg

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:29:42pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

The Larouchies were around, you must have missed them.....
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

A demonstrator hands out information to anti-Wall Street demonstrators marching through downtown Los Angeles on October 15, 2011 in Southern California.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:30:02pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Here's another one...

Image: pict106.jpg

That was the dressing room. Pretty cool.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:31:09pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Hah that's awesome. I met some seriously smart people there. They all felt frustrated about how things were being run. Maybe they're organizing independent of the general assembly stuff, or maybe they managed to get heard in it. I'll be interested in finding out.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:31:28pm

re: #122 Stanley Sea

WTF? Dude in Auburn football uniform, on sideline, holds up huge photo of George W. Bush as a play call?

I missed something here. WTF?

Apparently they hold up a photo of Obama too. The reason I found on a blog:

Obama/Bush indicate left/right.

lol

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windsagio Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:31:28pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Na Craig McCracken. She neither developed nor designed 'whupass girls' (as they said) and took the elements.

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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:31:35pm

re: #124 Gus 802

WooHoo !!!
This is goin' in mama's favorites...

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[deleted] Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:32:32pm

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Daniel Ballard Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:33:35pm

Just for fun, from Occupy LA (Dragon Lady wanted to share her whackadoodle image for you all on this Saturday night)
CHEMTRAIL MAN and his inestimable Purple Suit

Image: Donna_ChemtrailMan.JPG

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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:35:32pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

Just for fun, from Occupy LA (Dragon Lady wanted to share her whackadoodle image for you all on this Saturday night)
CHEMTRAIL MAN and his inestimable Purple Suit

Image: Donna_ChemtrailMan.JPG

See, there's proof! They're all loony chem-trail weirdos!

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:36:04pm

Lefties not being terribly honest about the protests either. Here's the latest outrageous outrage....
Breaking: 30 Citibank customers arrested for closing their account
Well, not really.
Protest pandemonium as mob descends on Times Square

Earlier, 24 protesters were arrested when a mob stormed a LaGuardia Place Citibank and shouted slogans as two demonstrators closed their bank accounts in protest just after 2 p.m.

“[The protesters] all went in a big flash mob to close their accounts," said Adrielle Slaugh,a 24-year-old office manager who saw the clash. "There were about 30 of them. They were screaming and chanting while they were going in. Security told them to leave, but they didn’t. They stood in a group chanting things to the tellers. There were locked in, and then they were taken away.”

She said when they were locked inside, they were "pressing on the door -- you could see them banging on the glass."

It seems they caused such a ruckus that the tellers hit the automatic lockdown button. Police are not arresting people for closing their bank accounts.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:36:40pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Apparently they hold up a photo of Obama too. The reason I found on a blog:

Obama/Bush indicate left/right.

lol

What do they hold up if they're running it up the middle?
Evening Honcos.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:36:53pm

re: #133 Charles

See, there's proof! They're all loony chem-trail weirdos!

Yeah. Luckily for the Tea Party folks they don't have any chemtrail kooks.

No wait! They do.

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jamesfirecat Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:37:35pm

re: #129 windsagio

Na Craig McCracken. She neither developed nor designed 'whupass girls' (as they said) and took the elements.

Umm Craig McCraken is married to Lauren Faust and she admits she bounced ideas off of him in the process of creating FiM.

So once again, if you see similarities to Power Puff Girls... its because its the same people working on it...

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:37:54pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

To be fair (25+ / 0-)
The freedom of assembly right wouldn't apply inside private property.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:38:08pm

re: #131 Conservative Moonbat

Yeah, Breitbart was blathering this morning about some white power dude retweeting OWS stuff because it would hurt the Jewish bankers (or something)

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Atlas Fails Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:38:21pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Lefties not being terribly honest about the protests either. Here's the latest outrageous outrage...
Breaking: 30 Citibank customers arrested for closing their account
Well, not really.
Protest pandemonium as mob descends on Times Square

It seems they caused such a ruckus that the tellers hit the automatic lockdown button. Police are not arresting people for closing their bank accounts.

Magical Balance Fairy, spotted in the wild.

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laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:38:34pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

The group wanted a service, and the tellers should have been able to handle it instead of going by some kind of fear response.

It's not like they were trying to rob the place.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:38:42pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Lefties not being terribly honest about the protests either. Here's the latest outrageous outrage...
Breaking: 30 Citibank customers arrested for closing their account
Well, not really.
Protest pandemonium as mob descends on Times Square

It seems they caused such a ruckus that the tellers hit the automatic lockdown button. Police are not arresting people for closing their bank accounts.

What is there like this one big giant "left information clearinghouse" where all the lefty news come from? So maybe some people stretch the truth and you find one so then it become yet another generalization about these guys. Citibank sucks. Read up my boy.

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prairiefire Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:38:42pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

Just for fun, from Occupy LA (Dragon Lady wanted to share her whackadoodle image for you all on this Saturday night)
CHEMTRAIL MAN and his inestimable Purple Suit

Image: Donna_ChemtrailMan.JPG

He is sooo glad someone is asking him about chemtrails.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:40:26pm

re: #140 Atlas Fails

It's not MBF. One of the things that the people in Zucotti park are protesting is the incredibly broken state of the media and political discourse in this country. We can do them respect for their stance by reporting accurately.

That doesn't mean calling random people Marxists is okay, but it does mean showing that there are attempts from some people to anoint everything coming out of these protests as awesome.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:41:03pm

re: #138 Obdicut

to be even more fair tip jar for the diary.
(269+ / 0-)

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:41:21pm

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

What do they hold up if they're running it up the middle?
Evening Honcos.

Obama now. They are holding up a campaign photo. //

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:41:28pm

re: #131 Conservative Moonbat

Yikes, I get the point you're trying to make but that's an out and out nazi hate site.

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Atlas Fails Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:41:51pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Yeah, Breitbart was blathering this morning about some white power dude retweeting OWS stuff because it would hurt the Jewish bankers (or something)

That's abhorrent. Every Bible-believing Christian knows that it's our duty to return those Jewish bankers to the Holy Land so they can die in fiery judgement and help trigger the rapture.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:41:56pm

Citibank

2008–2009 losses and cost cutting measures

Citi reported losing $8–11 billion several days after Merrill Lynch announced that it too had been losing billions from the subprime mortgage crisis in the United States.

On April 11, 2007, the parent Citi announced staff cuts and relocations.[8]

On November 4, 2007, Charles Prince quit as the chairman and chief executive of Citigroup, following crisis meetings with the board in New York in the wake of billions of dollars in losses related to subprime lending.

Former United States Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin has been asked to replace ex-CEO Charles Prince to manage the losses Citi has amassed over the years of being over-exposed to subprime lending during the 2002–2007 surge in the real estate industry.

In August 2008, after a three-year investigation by California's Attorney General Citibank was ordered to repay the $14 million (close to $18 million including interest and penalties) that was removed from 53,000 customers accounts over an 11-year period from 1992 to 2003. The money was taken under a computerized "account sweeping program" where any positive balances from over-payments or double payments were removed without notice to the customers.[9]

On November 23, 2008, Citigroup was forced to seek federal financing to avoid a collapse similar to those suffered by its competitors Bear Stearns and AIG. The U.S. government provided $25 billion and guarantees to risky assets to Citigroup in exchange for stock. This was one of a series of companies receiving financial aid from the government that began with Bear Stearns and peaked with the collapse of Lehman, AIG, and the GSE's, and the start of the TARP program.

On January 16, 2009, Citigroup announced that it was splitting into two businesses. Citicorp will continue with the traditional banking business while Citi Holdings Inc. operates non-core businesses such as brokerage, asset management, and local consumer finance as well as managing a set of higher-risk assets. The split was presented as allowing Citibank to concentrate on its core banking business.[10]

Oh yeah. Free market capitalism. They get 0% loans from the government and a bailout for their screwup. Then they turn around and screw the consumer. Enough is enough. OWS rocks.

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prairiefire Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:42:16pm

I don't think OWS is going to die down. I think it will carry on through until the elections.

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Daniel Ballard Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:42:17pm

re: #143 prairiefire

He is sooo glad someone is asking him about chemtrails.

Dude practically wept sincerity.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:43:01pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Yeah. I'm just pointing out that even at that diary on DKOS people are pushing back. I consider Dkos commenters pretty fringey, but i don't really know, not having spent much time there.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:43:13pm

re: #148 Atlas Fails

That's abhorrent. Every Bible-believing Christian knows that it's our duty to return those Jewish bankers to the Holy Land so they can die in fiery judgement and help trigger the rapture.

Nothing wrong with that!

*You gotta laugh at what these people that call themselves allies of Israel and the Jewish people really think.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:43:28pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

Dude practically wept sincerity.

I feel real bad for people like that. They're honestly trying to help other people. Such wasted passion and energy.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:44:44pm

Cannot in anyway beat BigPapa's spread, but I'm going to Oceanaire for oysters tonight. YUM TO THE YUM.

Night all!

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BongCrodny Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:45:46pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Yikes, I get the point you're trying to make but that's an out and out nazi hate site.

Yeah. I just assumed it was some random derpy site and clicked the link; I now want to fumigate my computer.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:47:08pm

re: #149 Gus 802

Citibank

Oh yeah. Free market capitalism. They get 0% loans from the government and a bailout for their screwup. Then they turn around and screw the consumer. Enough is enough. OWS rocks.

Agreed, fuck citibank in their fuckholes. No argument from me, but the police will not arrest you for closing your account. You can do it any time you want as long as you don't spaz out in the banks and cause a security situation. But even if you do spaz out you can close your account when you get out of jail.

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Atlas Fails Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:47:12pm

re: #144 Obdicut

It's not MBF. One of the things that the people in Zucotti park are protesting is the incredibly broken state of the media and political discourse in this country. We can do them respect for their stance by reporting accurately.

That doesn't mean calling random people Marxists is okay, but it does mean showing that there are attempts from some people to anoint everything coming out of these protests as awesome.

If Killgore's source is accurate, and I'm sure it is, then those guys were dumbasses and the lefty site shouldn't have stretched things like they did. Not comparable to intentionally lying about an image to smear an entire movement.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:47:34pm

re: #156 BongCrodny

Yeah. I just assumed it was some random derpy site and clicked the link; I now want to fumigate my computer.

I just looked and didn't read. Yeah, pretty fucked up site.

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Idle Drifter Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:47:57pm

Image: MLP_I_welcome.jpg

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allegro Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:48:07pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

Cannot in anyway beat BigPapa's spread, but I'm going to Oceanaire for oysters tonight. YUM TO THE YUM.

Night all!

Well, oh yeah? I had a fish sandwich from Burger King and a rum & coke. Eat yer heart out!

/really hating on you guys about now

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:48:27pm

re: #150 prairiefire

I don't think OWS is going to die down. I think it will carry on through until the elections.

Maybe, that's not good news for Obama. I don't think he has a chance in hell of capitalizing on this.

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R.M, Ramallo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:48:37pm

There's video footage of the CitiBank incident on Think Progress. To be fair, it may not have shown everything, but I didn't see a ruckus till the police showed up.
I think the tellers may have over reacted.
CitiBank arrests...

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:48:42pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

That picture is from 1981. Obama's head is photo-shopped over Reagan's.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:49:44pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Agreed, fuck citibank in their fuckholes. No argument from me, but the police will not arrest you for closing your account. You can do it any time you want as long as you don't spaz out in the banks and cause a security situation. But even if you do spaz out you can close your account when you get out of jail.

People spaz out every day for varying reasons. Some guy just went in the hair salon his ex-wife was working at and slaughtered 8 people. You think I care about a small group of OWS protesters getting arrested for this? I don't care. It's at the bottom of my "do I give a crap" priority list. Yeah, it was stupid but that's not the point here. Citibank has gotten away with murder over the past few years and they will continue to do so long after these protests are gone.

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goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:52:13pm

re: #154 Obdicut

I feel real bad for people like that. They're honestly trying to help other people. Such wasted passion and energy.

I used to work with a chemtrail freak who was also a truther. During lunch we'd go outside and he'd look up at the sky and regale us with his expertise on everything from cloud formation to metallurgy. His basis for insisting that "metal doesn't work that way" in reference to the twin tower collapse was the fact that he was an art major in college and has some experience casting bronze. Seriously, that was it. A man's got to know his limitations, and these people don't.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:52:22pm

re: #163 OhNoZombies!

There's video footage of the CitiBank incident on Think Progress. To be fair, it may not have shown everything, but I didn't see a ruckus till the police showed up.
I think the tellers may have over reacted.
CitiBank arrests...

Impossible! The police would never do that!

You know the drill. You ever call a cop and have them turn on you? I haven't but I've read about that many times. Seriously. Those cops are all amped up from all of that heavy lifting they've been doing.

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laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:52:34pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Which means it's important to make sure we don't drag ourselves down to their level (re: the 7 points linked above).

Going in one at a time and politely closing the account will at the worst get you a sad look from the teller you worked with.

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funky chicken Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:53:00pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

Where in LA are they? We're gonna be there next week and I don't want to get caught in extra traffic. I've never driven in LA and I've heard it's bad ... have driven in Chicago, Atlanta, Philly, Denver, and lots in Vegas, so I'm trying to not worry too much. We're going to be staying up by the UCLA medical school.

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Gus Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:54:20pm

re: #168 laZardo

Which means it's important to make sure we don't drag ourselves down to their level (re: the 7 points linked above).

Going in one at a time and politely closing the account will at the worst get you a sad look from the teller you worked with.

It's not my gig.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:54:34pm

re: #158 Atlas Fails

Sure. I'm just saying we don't win much if, included in this whole glorious revolution, we don't get an expectation of accuracy, not propaganda back into the media.

And we've got stuff like this on Dkos, coming from staff:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Which reports on it without really giving much credence to the idea they actually were just arrests.

If the 99% types were able to win the war on reportage, they'd win. The US supports higher taxes on the right, it supports not cutting programs for the poor, it supports a lot of what these guys support.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:54:41pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

Don't you ever look at someone and say; "I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you're a fucking loon. Have a nice day."

I do that sometimes.

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BongCrodny Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:58:06pm

Don't know whether this has been posted, but Mother Jones had an interesting and frightening "bank merger chart." It's a couple years old now, but it's still interesting to see what's happened financially over the past 15 years.

The damn thing looks like the Final Four of March Madness.

Mother Jones: How Banks Got Too Big To Fail

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laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:58:25pm

re: #160 Idle Drifter

Today's lesson in friendship: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6:58:53pm

re: #167 Gus 802

Yeah, it really doesn't look like much of a ruckus in there, but if they refused the manager's request to leave, the bank is still within their rights, as long as that refusal isn't a blanket refusal of service. Since obviously they would have gotten served if they weren't there en masse with a film crew, I don't think they can claim the right to be there.

I support exposing Citibank and the other bank's misdeeds, and I do think closing accounts is a good way of going about it.

On the other hand, the woman being arrested is already outside... so, um, yeah. That's weird. Why are they arresting a woman outside the bank?

And please, can someone give them something to shout other than "What are you doing?"

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 7:09:07pm

re: #175 Obdicut

From the looks of things she may have gotten out before the automatic lockdown and was ID'd by one of the security guards.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Oct 15, 2011 7:11:15pm

Maps.google.com

579 Southwest Madison Street, Portland, Oregon.

Facing more or less Northwest.

This was going to bug me until I found it.

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Daniel Ballard Sat, Oct 15, 2011 7:18:52pm

re: #169 funky chicken

City hall. Downtown. Well east of your location. Use this for traffic updates. Sigalert rocks.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 7:19:23pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

From the looks of things she may have gotten out before the automatic lockdown and was ID'd by one of the security guards.

Sure. But why, then, is she being arrested? For disorderly conduct? What was the disorderly conduct? She's already left the premises. Seems kind of silly.

But yeah, these guys have got to learn not to be confused by the fact that they're being arrested. It happens.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 7:21:08pm

re: #179 Obdicut

Sure. But why, then, is she being arrested? For disorderly conduct? What was the disorderly conduct? She's already left the premises. Seems kind of silly.

But yeah, these guys have got to learn not to be confused by the fact that they're being arrested. It happens.

I'm sure there's plenty of video evidence. If she's wrongly accused there will be no problem.

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Obdicut Sat, Oct 15, 2011 7:28:34pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Well, it'll be interested to see if there was chanting and other disruptive stuff going on inside. That video may have been after it happened.

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Ojoe Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:03:16pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I don't think this is going to die down at all, and it was inevitable that it would finally start up; the "system" has structural defects that are seriously hurting people's lives.

It is not necessarily the gap between rich and poor so much as the dead-end lack of work.

What is it to take a person's livelihood but a slow creeping form of murder?

It can't go on, the economy like this. And the protests will go on until some big things are changed.

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laZardo Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:27:01pm

re: #179 Obdicut

But yeah, these guys have got to learn not to be confused by the fact that they're being arrested. It happens.

And there's an app for that!

I'm not kidding.

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Donna Ballard Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:27:53pm

I'm glad I went with RWC, it was my first protest/political rally. Quite an experience let me tell you. We hooked up with a practicing psychologist and his teenagers on the way there, we meet them on the platform of the metro red line. The teens were rediculously excited and their dad was all smiles talking about the protests of the past. I'm glad he remembers those days cause I sure don't! It was fun I guess. Glad you liked my picture, hope you all like the other ones RWC posts later.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:50:48pm

re: #7 notonanyday

Just so there's no misunderstanding; things can veer toward the other side of the spectrum in the Beaver State:

The Oregonian: Suspect in Cody Myers' death says Oregon youth was collateral damage in war for white supremacy

"In every war, there are going to be civilian casualties, and he was one of them."

Oh, charming. This is their excuse for murdering a Jew and then finding out he wasn't actually a Jew?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:52:23pm

re: #16 Kruk

I was an anarchist till I got kicked out for not following the rules.

Seriously, pictures like this are why while I'm a die-hard Liberal, I don't associate with the far Left. Too many of these tossers around.

The Bay Area has, or had, an anarchist soccer team. They played a local socialist soccer team sometimes.

And yes, they followed the rules of the game. And had black uniforms.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:53:21pm

re: #17 mracb

Supposedly those assholes vote democratic..

I don't know about that, just that Phelps was at one time (may still be) a registered Democrat.

Not sure they vote at all. Can't imagine they'd see much to choose between--everyone but them is going to hell.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 15, 2011 8:59:44pm

re: #56 BigPapa

Get of your ass and join the occupation!

OK, that is a very cute picture--but I would like to point out that the child is actually ON her ass.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 15, 2011 9:00:41pm

re: #73 laZardo

I'm an azkal* too.

[*short for asong kalye lit. "dog of the street" but also meaning mutt]

Oh, I like that.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 15, 2011 9:15:02pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

I used to work with a chemtrail freak who was also a truther. During lunch we'd go outside and he'd look up at the sky and regale us with his expertise on everything from cloud formation to metallurgy. His basis for insisting that "metal doesn't work that way" in reference to the twin tower collapse was the fact that he was an art major in college and has some experience casting bronze. Seriously, that was it. A man's got to know his limitations, and these people don't.

Well, at least better than the guy who built a fire under a rabbit cage to demonstrate that steel doesn't melt.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 15, 2011 9:56:09pm

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't you ever look at someone and say; "I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you're a fucking loon. Have a nice day."

I do that sometimes.

FBV, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you're -
Oh, nevah mind.

I've never actually said that to anyone, ever.
But I think it several times every day.

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Tigger2 Sat, Oct 15, 2011 11:05:55pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Maybe, that's not good news for Obama. I don't think he has a chance in hell of capitalizing on this.

That's definitely not good news for the Republicans, who the 99% see as pandering to the 1%.

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