Rush Limbaugh’s porcine nature really shines through in this clip; he starts by attacking John McCain for giving credit to President Obama for the downfall of Muammar Gaddafi, then segues right into a “fat joke” about Michelle Obama’s butt.
Oink.
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Kronocide Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:16:34pm |
He's huge but making fat jokes about the First Lady, who is not fat at all?
What an immature poopy head.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:16:47pm |
I guess treating women with some class isn't all that important when you can just pay for the sex.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:17:48pm |
He gets really upset if you make fat jokes about him.
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erik_t Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:18:21pm |
re: #3 EmmmieG
He gets really upset if you make fat jokes about him.
IT'S GLANDULAR YOU INSENSITIVE ASS
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:19:37pm |
What I don't get about Rush and all the people like him is like like to pretend bygone days were a more genteel age that they pine for. And yet they seem like caricatures of frat-boys appearing on Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:20:26pm |
re: #5 Obdicut
What I don't get about Rush and all the people like him is like like to pretend bygone days were a more genteel age that they pine for. And yet they like caricatures of frat-boys appearing on Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
My dad totally owns this dealership.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:21:24pm |
Ahha, so Rush fantasizes about Michelle Obama's ... parts. Noted.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:21:34pm |
Sour grapes, Rush, sour grapes.
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PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:22:11pm |
I used to think that he had more class than that. I guess not. Gee, my late mom taught me if you cannot say any thing good about someone don't say anything.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:23:32pm |
re: #9 PhillyPretzel
I used to think that he had more class than that. I guess not. Gee, my late mom taught me if you cannot say any thing good about someone don't say anything.
He would have no career.
Still, this was lower that necessary.
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neilk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:24:18pm |
Limbaugh's approach is, if he can't say anything bad about someone, he doesn't say anything.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:24:41pm |
re: #4 erik_t
IT'S GLANDULAR YOU INSENSITIVE ASS
I thought it was a side effect from abusing prescription drugs
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Ming Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:25:32pm |
It's disgraceful that prominent Republicans don't come out very clearly against Rush Limbaugh. I never listened to Limbaugh, so I don't know if a long time ago, he had something worthwhile to say. But whatever he may have been in the past, in recent years he's been just plain dim-witted and mean-spirited. Yet he apparently has a vast following. By not speaking out against him, Republican leaders are condoning ignorance, hate, and a childish approach to our nation's challenges.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:25:41pm |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I thought it was a side effect from abusing prescription drugs
No, he was overweight long before that. He yo-yo's.
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mikec6666 Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:25:58pm |
I, personally speaking, like her butt. And, it sounds like Rush spends some of his time gazing at other men's butts. At least that's what he admitted to in that last sentence. He'll be coming out any day now, that's my prediction.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:27:17pm |
Ahh scurrilous fat jokes at the first lady, a woman who is infinitely brighter, kinder and better than him in every way.
And that from a man whose individual but cheeks are bigger than most people's whole bottoms, and whose man boobs are larger than the woman in question's breasts.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:27:20pm |
Dear Rush, shutt yo butt.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:27:22pm |
re: #1 BigPapa
He's huge but making fat jokes about the First Lady, who is not fat at all?
What an immature poopy head.
The Smithsonian First Ladies dress exhibit is fascinating.
Our first ladies have gotten larger and taller along with the rest of the nation.
Nutrition.
(I never realized how big the height difference between Martha and George was.)
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neilk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:28:30pm |
I can't decide, is this more racist than it is sexist?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:29:28pm |
re: #17 Ming
It's disgraceful that prominent Republicans don't come out very clearly against Rush Limbaugh. I never listened to Limbaugh, so I don't know if a long time ago, he had something worthwhile to say. But whatever he may have been in the past, in recent years he's been just plain dim-witted and mean-spirited. Yet he apparently has a vast following. By not speaking out against him, Republican leaders are condoning ignorance, hate, and a childish approach to our nation's challenges.
Rush Limbaugh is the effective head of the modern day GOP.
If you disagree point to a Republican who has openly disagreed with him recently and not recanted later...
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:29:48pm |
re: #17 Ming
It's disgraceful that prominent Republicans don't come out very clearly against Rush Limbaugh. I never listened to Limbaugh, so I don't know if a long time ago, he had something worthwhile to say. But whatever he may have been in the past, in recent years he's been just plain dim-witted and mean-spirited. Yet he apparently has a vast following. By not speaking out against him, Republican leaders are condoning ignorance, hate, and a childish approach to our nation's challenges.
Jabba...er, Rush has been like this for years. If he was ever some reasonable, friendly guy, it was before he ever took up his current profession.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:31:19pm |
(taking out a spoon, ready to stir shit)
Is Rush still a Honorary Lizardoid?
(ducks)
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PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:32:24pm |
re: #26 Sergey Romanov
I suggest you find a rock to hide under when it starts to fly.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:33:10pm |
re: #27 PhillyPretzel
I suggest you find a rock to hide under when it starts to fly.
So far not a trickle.../
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:33:23pm |
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PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:34:35pm |
re: #28 Sergey Romanov
They are trying to think of something to say that will not be deleted by the Head Lizard.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:34:51pm |
re: #26 Sergey Romanov
(taking out a spoon, ready to stir shit)
Is Rush still a Honorary Lizardoid?
(ducks)
...huh?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:34:57pm |
re: #3 EmmmieG
He gets really upset if you make fat jokes about him.
Yes, that is why I enjoy pointing out his porcine physique.
More seriously, there is really nothing more insulting than attacking a man's wife to get at him. It is the lowest of the low and should not be tolerated. The whole right wing is guilty of this. Can't attack the man in office then attack his wife - a lady incidentally who is one of the more classy and decent first ladies we have had in a very long time. In a more graceful age, someone like Rush would simply be thrashed.
Perhaps, part of why they hate the first lady is that she is so very much smarter and simply better than they are in all ways that matter... Of course, she is also black and seeing a black woman be that much superior to them has got to hurt their "white pride" down to their shrivelled little man parts.
As an addendum,
In Rush's case those little man parts are not something he has been able to see in years. That must truly hurt his pride and it helps explain why his ego is so easily threatened and why he lashes out so much.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:35:32pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:36:00pm |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, that is why I enjoy pointing out his porcine physique.
More seriously, there is really nothing more insulting than attacking a man's wife to get at him. It is the lowest of the low and should not be tolerated. The whole right wing is guilty of this. Can't attack the man in office then attack his wife - a lady incidentally who is one of the more classy and decent first ladies we have had in a very long time. In a more graceful age, someone like Rush would simply be thrashed.
Perhaps, part of why they hate the first lady is that she is so very much smarter and simply better than they are in all ways that matter... Of course, she is also black and seeing a black woman be that much superior to them has got to hurt their "white pride" down to their shrivelled little man parts.
As an addendum,
In Rush's case those little man parts are not something he has been able to see in years. That must truly hurt his pride and it helps explain why his ego is so easily threatened and why he lashes out so much.
I was quite fond of Laura Bush and her mother-in-law both, broccoli incidences aside.
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Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:38:17pm |
re: #26 Sergey Romanov
(taking out a spoon, ready to stir shit)
Is Rush still a Honorary Lizardoid?
(ducks)
D'oh! I see the link.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:38:21pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
...huh?
Well, there's never been a revocation, like there was with Bolton. It's kinda, it's self-obvious he sorta lost it by default, but...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:38:24pm |
Yep, he's the king of the cons.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:39:02pm |
re: #26 Sergey Romanov
(taking out a spoon, ready to stir shit)
Is Rush still a Honorary Lizardoid?
(ducks)
What? After about 200 posts excoriating him as the filth he is you might think not. Dude, uncool.
I mean it isn't as if Charles hasn't repeatedly repudiated the far right and broke very publicly with them precisely because of the sorts of shit that asshats like Rush spew. Very uncool of you.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:39:24pm |
re: #38 Sergey Romanov
Well, there's never been a revocation, like there was with Bolton. It's kinda, it's self-obvious he sorta lost it by default, but...
I'm sorry, but I'm sort of drawing a blank. Either I wasn't here when that was announced or have since blocked out the memory.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:40:27pm |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
What? After about 200 posts excoriating him as the filth he is you might think not. Dude, uncool.
I mean it isn't as if Charles hasn't repeatedly repudiated the far right and broke very publicly with them precisely because of the sorts of shit that asshats like Rush spew. Very uncool of you.
Chill out. It's all in good spirit.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:42:25pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:42:34pm |
Obama getting tough on Pakistan.
Clinton sends clear message to Pakistan on militants
The meeting included Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani, the powerful army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, and Lieutenant-General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who heads the Inter-services Intelligence (ISI) agency which U.S. officials have singled out for its alleged support of militant groups.
...
he presence of Petraeus at the talks was especially significant, said political analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi."America will produce evidence before the army chief, that you are involved (in supporting the violence in Afghanistan). With David Petraeus coming as well, they have definitely brought vidence," he said.
"He will provide evidence that you are involved, ISI is involved," he added. "But nothing will come out in public."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:42:43pm |
re: #38 Sergey Romanov
Well, there's never been a revocation, like there was with Bolton. It's kinda, it's self-obvious he sorta lost it by default, but...
When the other ladies in the Junior league are starting every sentence about you with "Bless her heart," you're not in the junior league any more.
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Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:43:54pm |
Uh oh. Any second we're going to be subjected to yet another video taken at that now popular political movement that's swept across the nation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:44:41pm |
I think that Michelle is kinda hot.
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Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:44:47pm |
re: #39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yep, he's the king of the cons.
When Rush speaks, wingers listen. They all fall in line like good little ducks.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:45:40pm |
I think it's pretty evident that I have nothing but contempt for the hate peddlers like Limbaugh and the other cult demagogues.
However, I was watching CNN's execrable coverage of Gaddafi's death today, and they were showing photos of him as a young man, with his children, and so on. There was no sound and the captioning was fritzy, but I'm pretty sure the tone of the reporting wasn't trying to apologise for or humanise him especially. Nonetheless, I was reminded of this piece, and this thread reminds me of it again.
It reminds me, basically, that no matter how hateful someone is, how deserving they are of our contempt, there's also going to be people out there who know them and love them for other reasons. It's poignant to remember that, despicable as they may be, they're still human, and simultaneously sad to realise that their vileness is indeed part of the human condition that we all share.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:46:39pm |
Pigs (three different ones) Les Claypool cover
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:46:50pm |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
There, once upon a time, was a large contingent of Lizards (including me) who listened to Rush fairly regularly.
I think the joke was in reference to that fact.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:47:06pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:48:11pm |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There, once upon a time, was a large contingent of Lizards (including me) who listened to Rush fairly regularly.
I think the joke was in reference to that fact.
Yep. It's a reflection on how times change. No offense to anyone, much less Charles. It's not like any of us haven't changed our views over time, sometimes 180 (I sure did).
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Kronocide Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:48:24pm |
re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think that Michelle is kinda hot.
She's beautiful. Probably the most graceful beauty since Jackie O. Kids are pretty cute too.
Whenever I read nasty comments about her it says everything I need to know about the person saying it.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:49:02pm |
re: #50 Renaissance_Man
It reminds me, basically, that no matter how hateful someone is, how deserving they are of our contempt, there's also going to be people out there who know them and love them for other reasons. It's poignant to remember that, despicable as they may be, they're still human, and simultaneously sad to realise that their vileness is indeed part of the human condition that we all share.
That's beautiful, dude.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:49:10pm |
re: #55 BigPapa
She's beautiful. Probably the most graceful beauty since Jackie O. Kids are pretty cute too.
Whenever I read nasty comments about her it says everything I need to know about the person saying it.
I still remember that freerepublic thread where one of the daughters was called "ghetto trash"...
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:49:14pm |
By the way, since the topic of antisemitism has been on my mind, I'd like to encourage everyone to see this great movie:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
It's a movie that directly confronted the antisemitism in the US. One of the actors, John Garfield, took a supporting role during a time when he was an outright star because he felt the message was so important. It got him called on the carpet by the House Un-American Activities committee, and eventually blackballed for refusal to 'name names'. A reminder that support for the Jews used to get you investigated for being a commie, back in the day.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:50:03pm |
Rush Limbaugh, Pig
Best title this year, Charles. Most accurate, too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:50:27pm |
re: #50 Renaissance_Man
Father Coughlin and Reverend Phelps had families too, sure
they're still evil. Still human garbage that peddle hatred and death and compel people to hurt each other so they can line their pockets.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:52:11pm |
re: #55 BigPapa
I thought Laura Bush was lovely also.
Hillary? Not sexy.
I thought it was wonderful gesture when they decided to put Barbara Bush's picture on the dollar bill.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:52:12pm |
Bryan Fischer's nightmare
Image: wtf-photos-videos-this-doesnt-bode-well.jpg
To make it worse, they're all gay as well
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:53:25pm |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought Laura Bush was lovely also.
Hillary? Not sexy.
I thought it was wonderful gesture when they decided to put Barbara Bush's picture on the dollar bill.
I see what you did there.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:53:51pm |
re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bryan Fischer's nightmare
Image: wtf-photos-videos-this-doesnt-bode-well.jpg
To make it worse, they're all gay as well
Not a very realistic picture. The sky is too blue.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:54:36pm |
I agree with Rush on one thing: drug addicts should be "sent down the river."
//
Seriously, a thrice-married, drug-addled, morbidly obese chauvinist is effectively the leader of the modern GOP. That...seems about right, actually.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:54:51pm |
re: #60 WindUpBird
They're proof that 'good' and 'evil' are totally subjective. They do seriously believe they are doing something 'good' for the world.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:55:07pm |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought Laura Bush was lovely also.
Hillary? Not sexy.
I thought it was wonderful gesture when they decided to put Barbara Bush's picture on the dollar bill.
I think Hillary Clinton is a far better role model for women than Barbara or Laura, but that's just me
Barbara "aren't they having fun being displaced during Hurricane Katrina? How cute!" Bush? no fucking thanks
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:56:15pm |
re: #67 WindUpBird
Barbara? Did you mean Barbara?
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:56:16pm |
re: #64 Sergey Romanov
Not a very realistic picture. The sky is too blue.
Pro-lifers say a clean environment isn't good for the children, so blue skies must be the devil's work.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:57:18pm |
re: #66 laZardo
They're proof that 'good' and 'evil' are totally subjective. They do seriously believe they are doing something 'good' for the world.
Oh I don't think rush cares about the world, except so far as the world allows him to continue to live well, bed prostitutes, yell on the radio, and pop pills
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:57:33pm |
re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Pro-lifers say a clean environment isn't good for the children, so blue skies must be the devil's work.
Let's nuke the skies.
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:57:42pm |
re: #67 WindUpBird
I think Hillary Clinton is a far better role model for women than Barbara or Laura, but that's just me
Barbara "aren't they having fun being displaced during Hurricane Katrina? How cute!" Bush? no fucking thanks
I was always a fan of Babs until Katrina. The colors she flew during that were unconscionable, defining privilege in a particularly unattractive, hateful way.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:58:18pm |
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darthstar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:58:45pm |
Image: foxnewschannelcoverage.jpg
1,000 words for fox, all consisting of the letters s h i t.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:58:51pm |
re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Barbara? Did you mean Barbara?
this Barbara Bush: [Link: www.snopes.com...]
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Atlas Fails Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:59:13pm |
re: #72 allegro
I was always a fan of Babs until Katrina. The colors she flew during that were unconscionable, defining privilege in a particularly unattractive, hateful way.
She let her elitist flag fly a little before Katrina, with her "beautiful mind" comment during the initial invasion of Iraq.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:59:38pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:00:29pm |
re: #76 Atlas Fails
She let her elitist flag fly a few years before Katrina, with her "beautiful mind" comment during the initial invasion of Iraq.
America! Woo-hoo!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:00:38pm |
re: #67 WindUpBird
I think Hillary Clinton is a far better role model for women than Barbara or Laura, but that's just me
What is wrong with choosing a mother or a librarian?
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:01:04pm |
re: #76 Atlas Fails
She let her elitist flag fly a little before Katrina, with her "beautiful mind" comment during the initial invasion of Iraq.
Indeed she did. I had forgotten the timing but yeah, that was pretty shocking.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:01:38pm |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But there are no nukes.
Nukes are just the cover story. The president's red phone actually unleashes the Kraken.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:01:48pm |
re: #72 allegro
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:02:34pm |
re: #80 allegro
Indeed she did. I had forgotten the timing but yeah, that was pretty shocking.
I can actually appreciate Bush Sr. and some aspects of his presidency in hind sight. Babs just comes across as an awful person, whether she is or not.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:02:56pm |
re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What is wrong with choosing a mother or a librarian?
Nothing WRONg
but Secretary of State and Senator? Just a little more impressive, in my humble opinion
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:03:34pm |
re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
WUB linked to one of her comments during Katrina. Atlas is referring to her statement when asked about the number of dead American soldiers in Iraq. She said she didn't worry about the numbers and didn't want to sully her "beautiful mind" with such information. It was pretty much a jaw dropper.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:03:39pm |
re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
you can click on my link and read all about what Babs said about Katrina refugees
which to me is just as repellent as some of the things Limbaugh says
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:03:41pm |
re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea
Nukes are just the cover story. The president's red phone actually unleashes the Kraken.
His new foreign policy "Get serious or get Kraken"
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Kronocide Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:04:04pm |
I gotta give it to Hillary, she's had an already impressive career.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:04:14pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:04:21pm |
re: #85 allegro
WUB linked to one of her comments during Katrina. Atlas is referring to her statement when asked about the number of dead American soldiers in Iraq. She said she didn't worry about the numbers and didn't want to sully her "beautiful mind" with such information. It was pretty much a jaw dropper.
I love the greasy arrogance of someone declaring they have a beautiful mind in that context, it's pretty great
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:04:48pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:05:15pm |
re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
Edit: I've got to start reading threads from the top down.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:05:20pm |
re: #90 WindUpBird
I didn't check - no chance of her being snarky or something like that?
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neilk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:07:05pm |
Remember that time Laura Bush committed vehicular manslaughter? That one sticks with me. Insensitive comments fade away but homicide is forever.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:09:22pm |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought Laura Bush was lovely also.
Hillary? Not sexy.
I thought it was wonderful gesture when they decided to put Barbara Bush's picture on the dollar bill.
Obvious jokes aren't always obvious.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:10:21pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:11:30pm |
re: #98 Sergey Romanov
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
Read within the context of the full interview, it is a tiny bit more clear that Mrs. Bush's "beautiful mind" statement referred to her desire not to become mesmerized by the pre-war media speculation of what such an invasion would mean, what sorts of weaponry and defenses U.S. troops might well be walking into, which troops would be committed and when they'd be deployed, how long the war would last, and how high the body count might be. Prior to the commencement of hostilities, such matters were the subject of endless supposition by various news pundits. While maybe not "90 percent" of what was filling the air waves was guesswork rather than hard news, Mrs. Bush's point that news of that moment was much more about what could or might happen rather than what was happening was valid. Her comment was not meant as a dismissal of actual deaths or suffering (troops had not yet been engaged at the time of her remark), but of news coverage that amounted to one expert after another making predictions about what they saw as likely to occur.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:11:42pm |
re: #98 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, found. So it seems that quote was not *that* bad in context.
it screamed entitled elitism from the rooftops, to me, but hey
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:12:05pm |
re: #98 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, found. So it seems that quote was not *that* bad in context.
I think saying that the number of dead American soldiers is "irrelevant" is that bad especially coming from a former first lady and the mother of the current president at that time ordering those soldiers into war.
Maybe it's just me.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:12:07pm |
re: #98 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, found. So it seems that quote was not *that* bad in context.
Yep. It was poorly stated, but I really don't care. To the extent first ladies do good, I'm happy, to the extent they say weird crap, I'm really not that concerned. They're famous by accident, which is a nasty thing to have to happen to anyone.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:12:33pm |
re: #91 WindUpBird
Considering what the internet has spawned, you might actually be correct if it wasn't sarcastic.
/I HAVE SEEN THINGS ;_;
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:13:43pm |
re: #101 allegro
I think saying that the number of dead American soldiers is "irrelevant" is that bad especially coming from a former first lady and the mother of the current president at that time ordering those soldiers into war.
Maybe it's just me.
Um, the very link you provided plausibly hypothesizes she did not mean that the number of dead American soldiers is irrelevant, but rather the speculation about such.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:14:23pm |
re: #100 WindUpBird
it screamed entitled elitism from the rooftops, to me, but hey
To me it was a pretty clear condemnation of the media's ghoulishness in speculating endlessly about death. If the media's approach was actually reasonable, her comment might have been weird, but the media was hungrily discussing death death death as usual.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:16:13pm |
Years ago, when he first started, I actually thought he was entertaining, though I mostly disagreed with him, or thought he oversimplified the issues. Now he's getting really weird.
It's odd that he carries so much weight (no pun intended) with the Republican Party.
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:16:33pm |
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Charleston Chew Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:17:30pm |
re: #17 Ming
It's disgraceful that prominent Republicans don't come out very clearly against Rush Limbaugh. I never listened to Limbaugh, so I don't know if a long time ago, he had something worthwhile to say. But whatever he may have been in the past, in recent years he's been just plain dim-witted and mean-spirited. Yet he apparently has a vast following. By not speaking out against him, Republican leaders are condoning ignorance, hate, and a childish approach to our nation's challenges.
40% of prominent Republicans agree with him, 40% are too afraid of his influence to contradict him, and 20% vehemently and vociferously oppose him but exist only in my imagination.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:17:59pm |
Man, I really think that is one of the major problems with the media today; they've turned from analysis of facts, analysis of real things in the real world, to endless orgies of speculation and bloviating about slippery slopes. "This could be bad for Obama. These regulations could lead to greater fear in the future." Instead of actually doing the hard thing of grappling with facts and painting their audiences an accurate picture, they speculate in inexpert ways on everything that comes their way.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:19:10pm |
I'd like to go back to the obvious observation of Rush and his liaisons with prostitutes.
Clearly a man as odious spiritually, and repulsive as he is physically, could only get it if he paid for it. Just ask his multiple ex wives...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:20:20pm |
re: #106 Obdicut
To me it was a pretty clear condemnation of the media's ghoulishness in speculating endlessly about death. If the media's approach was actually reasonable, her comment might have been weird, but the media was hungrily discussing death death death as usual.
The media was discussing death death death because we were about to invade Iraq, though. Sure, they're The Media and They're Jackals, and They Hunger, but they were hungering on the eve of a war, which, as garbage as the media is, is actually a really big worrisome deal that the Bush Sr. Administration set into motion. And the dismissive attitude, it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There were a lot of ordinary people who were worried about Iraq for non-media reasons.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:21:41pm |
re: #110 Obdicut
Both in optimism and pessimism. "This is a new age for Libya."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:23:20pm |
re: #110 Obdicut
it's all storytelling, it's narrative. The actual real news is just the raw material
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:24:03pm |
re: #113 laZardo
Both in optimism and pessimism. "This is a new age for Libya."
I dunno. The people in the morgue around Kaddafi's corpse looked all like Islamist-y and, I don't know, like what you see in various "militant" videos. I hope this impression is biased and wrong and there will be no new Islamist age in Libya.
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:25:07pm |
re: #115 Sergey Romanov
I dunno. The people in the morgue around Kaddafi's corpse looked all like Islamist-y and, I don't know, like what you see in various "militant" videos. I hope this impression is biased and wrong and there will be no new Islamist age in Libya.
How does one look Islamist-y?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:25:39pm |
Already seeing a new T-shirt:
Saddam Hussein [x]
Osama Bin Laden [x]
Muammar Gaddafi [x]
Justin Bieber [ ]
Heh. Won't post the link.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:26:31pm |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
LOL!
"Venomous harridans!"
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laZardo Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:26:52pm |
re: #115 Sergey Romanov
He was pursued and shot, so those probably were NTC "military." Regardless, I think the fact that America extraordinarily rendered one of the NTC's military higher-ups increases the chance of blowback.
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:27:06pm |
re: #116 allegro
How does one look Islamist-y?
Lemme 'splain that question. My former boyfriend who is Hispanic was often accused of looking "Islamist-y" because he's dark complected with black hair (and really sexy but that's another subject). I'm curious how you define it.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:27:47pm |
re: #112 WindUpBird
The media was discussing death death death because we were about to invade Iraq, though. Sure, they're The Media and They're Jackals, and They Hunger, but they were hungering on the eve of a war, which, as garbage as the media is, is actually a really big worrisome deal that the Bush Sr. Administration set into motion. And the dismissive attitude, it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There were a lot of ordinary people who were worried about Iraq for non-media reasons.
Fine, pillory the shit out of her for the comment, but don't be surprised when decent people don't want to participate in politics because they don't want to put their families under that microscope. I love my wife and she's awesome, but she's got a temper and might easily blow up or say something hyperbolic or apparently callous. I never want to put her in a position where, despite having no real power, she gets treated as though she does.
Did she actually do any harm to anyone through that comment? I don't think so. She did a lot of good with the Leukemia society, the set up the Barbara Bush Foundation for Public Literacy and is still active in it, long after it would be any political advantage for her husband.
Remembering her only for the negative is weird to me.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:28:38pm |
re: #116 allegro
How does one look Islamist-y?
Take a look at videos from Chechen guerrillas. See if you see the diff. I guess that all those "Allahu Akbar" shouts out of the blue are the usual thing, but...
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:29:02pm |
re: #114 WindUpBird
it's all storytelling, it's narrative. The actual real news is just the raw material
It's not storytelling, no. It's more farcical than that. In a story, the author takes an actual position, things happen, they move forwards.
The media is more like people holding up a book and commenting on its size, dimensions, colors, who published it, what the author is like in bed, the word count, how often black people are mentioned in it, without ever actually discussing the actual narrative or the contents.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:30:07pm |
re: #119 laZardo
He was pursued and shot, so those probably were NTC "military." Regardless, I think the fact that America extraordinarily rendered one of the NTC's military higher-ups increases the chance of blowback.
Oops. Foreign policy is hard. The State Dept. might want to prepare a basket of gourmet jams and jellies.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:30:19pm |
re: #115 Sergey Romanov
I dunno. The people in the morgue around Kaddafi's corpse looked all like Islamist-y and, I don't know, like what you see in various "militant" videos. I hope this impression is biased and wrong and there will be no new Islamist age in Libya.
There's going to be a free-for-all between anybody and everybody who think they can monopolize/get a chunk of Libya's light sweet crude production. That will likely include people looking to fund new terror ventures.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:30:50pm |
re: #119 laZardo
That too.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:31:40pm |
re: #121 Obdicut
Fine, pillory the shit out of her for the comment, but don't be surprised when decent people don't want to participate in politics because they don't want to put their families under that microscope.
Fun fact: in this age of "accountability," any political career regarding any significant political position will require the microsocope.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:32:32pm |
re: #120 allegro
Lemme 'splain that question. My former boyfriend who is Hispanic was often accused of looking "Islamist-y" because he's dark complected with black hair (and really sexy but that's another subject). I'm curious how you define it.
Yeah, I got it. It's more the behavior/general vibe. Though these are "secondary" features and these guys may actually be democrats at heart. ;) At least one would hope so.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:32:42pm |
re: #50 Renaissance_Man
I think it's pretty evident that I have nothing but contempt for the hate peddlers like Limbaugh and the other cult demagogues.
However, I was watching CNN's execrable coverage of Gaddafi's death today, and they were showing photos of him as a young man, with his children, and so on. There was no sound and the captioning was fritzy, but I'm pretty sure the tone of the reporting wasn't trying to apologise for or humanise him especially. Nonetheless, I was reminded of this piece, and this thread reminds me of it again.
It reminds me, basically, that no matter how hateful someone is, how deserving they are of our contempt, there's also going to be people out there who know them and love them for other reasons. It's poignant to remember that, despicable as they may be, they're still human, and simultaneously sad to realise that their vileness is indeed part of the human condition that we all share.
Yeah... no. Eva Braun got what was coming to her.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:33:44pm |
re: #112 WindUpBird
For me it's the out of sight out of mind aspect that's sickening, along with the false equivalence.
"And why watch him suffer."
Yes, why watch your child struggle with a decision that will have life or death consequences for thousands of families, instead better to pretend that he's the one hurting. It's all speculation after all, not like people are actually guaranteed to suffer real losses in war that make the stress of leadership look insignificant in comparison. She was jealously guarding her psyche with a blithe and intentional ignorance as to the very real, probable consequences of her son sending soldiers off to kill and die.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:34:38pm |
I went to get by permit for the greenhouse this morning. What a shirty process, far worse than DMV. You have to go through a series of trials, each person is looking for a reason to deny the permit on the basis of their specialty. after four hours I got to the last guy to check the engineering math and specs. He rejected it and now I have to go back with more information. Also got a parking ticket of an expired meter.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:35:29pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
Just for a freaking greenhouse? Why?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:35:53pm |
re: #129 LudwigVanQuixote
Uday and Kusay were assholes too.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:36:38pm |
[Link: www.barbarabushfoundation.com...]
Northside ISD, San Antonio – Project Tumaini (a Swahili word that means to hope and believe with confidence), will provide refugee families from various countries with intensive and differentiated instruction focused on becoming English literate. Programs will provide children and families with linguistically appropriate educational support services, prepare students (adult and children) for academic success, provide awareness of the importance of literacy, educate school personnel on the unique needs of refugee students, help restore the parent-child bond that was lost or weakened due to the refugee experience, and help refugee parents become active participants in their children's education.
That's pretty cool.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:37:58pm |
re: #133 Sergey Romanov
Just for a freaking greenhouse? Why?
Lateral load transfers, glass doesn't count as a diaphragm material, vertical flex transducers and a bunch of other shit i don't understand. I just wanted to punch the guy.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:38:44pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
Just wait until they come out to inspect the construction & want it re-done.
Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.
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McSpiff Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:38:47pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Lateral load transfers, glass doesn't count as a diaphragm material, vertical flex transducers and a bunch of other shit i don't understand. I just wanted to punch the guy.
Maybe it'll save you a ton down the road?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:39:50pm |
...and I have to post a sign for erosion control complaint line on the excavated dirt in my own back yard where nobody but me can see it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:40:15pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Lateral load transfers, glass doesn't count as a diaphragm material, vertical flex transducers and a bunch of other shit i don't understand. I just wanted to punch the guy.
I'm for regulations and all that, but shouldn't you be allowed to make mistakes like that on your own property? Who is harmed (but you)?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:40:39pm |
re: #138 Floral Giraffe
Just wait until they come out to inspect the construction & want it re-done.
Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.
I'm really dreading that. I was really hoping this was going to be easier.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:41:31pm |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Do you know anyone nearby that has been through the process? Go talk to them. Otherwise, drive around & look for one in someone's backyard. Ring their doorbell.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:41:56pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Lateral load transfers, glass doesn't count as a diaphragm material, vertical flex transducers and a bunch of other shit i don't understand. I just wanted to punch the guy.
No.
You must reroute the plasma flow through the antimatter injectors.
Then you reverse the polarity of the main deflector.
Piece of cake.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:42:11pm |
re: #141 Sergey Romanov
I'm for regulations and all that, but shouldn't you be allowed to make mistakes like that on your own propery? Who is harmed (but you)?
It's building code stuff, I guess it serves a purpose but it is a big pain in the ass.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:43:11pm |
re: #141 Sergey Romanov
I'm for regulations and all that, but shouldn't you be allowed to make mistakes like that on your own propery? Who is harmed (but you)?
Of course, that would be an argument against building codes for private residences in general. And the counter argument is that it's theoretically for the public good that everyone's house or other building is fundamentally safe.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:43:38pm |
re: #144 Varek Raith
No.
You must reroute the plasma flow through the antimatter injectors.
Then you reverse the polarity of the main deflector.
Piece of cake.
Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:43:52pm |
re: #141 Sergey Romanov
I'm for regulations and all that, but shouldn't you be allowed to make mistakes like that on your own propery? Who is harmed (but you)?
I helped with a bunch of outdoor plumbing with a guy a few weeks ago. We kept the 6' fence closed because if the city saw us doing plumbing, they would have fined him (money) for not having a permit (money). And the guy has his own remodel business.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:44:21pm |
re: #148 The Ghost of a Flea
Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
Fool.
That'll destabilize the containment field for the main core.
Silly red shirt.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:44:38pm |
re: #144 Varek Raith
No.
You must reroute the plasma flow through the antimatter injectors.
Then you reverse the polarity of the main deflector.
Piece of cake.
Captain! I'm an engineer! Not a magician!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:44:50pm |
re: #143 Floral Giraffe
Do you know anyone nearby that has been through the process? Go talk to them. Otherwise, drive around & look for one in someone's backyard. Ring their doorbell.
The company that prefabricates the greenhouse does all the engineering so they know what needs to be done. I just got the bad luck of getting an overzealous inspector. The company will generate a whole bunch of new numbers and diagrams for him to look at.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:44:57pm |
re: #141 Sergey Romanov
It's the dark side of local power; townships and counties and the like can gin up some pretty hellaciouslly restrictive building codes, including explicitly not doing it for safety reasons.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:46:31pm |
re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Captain! I'm an engineer! Not a magician!
Ye cannae change the laws of physics!
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Charleston Chew Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:47:11pm |
re: #144 Varek Raith
No.
You must reroute the plasma flow through the antimatter injectors.
Then you reverse the polarity of the main deflector.
Piece of cake.
It would be a shame if a greenhouse caused a rip in the space/time continuum or triggered a dimensional quantum shift that destroyed the universe.
Yeah, Netflix has every Star Trek series on streaming right now.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:47:40pm |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Good, you're using a company that manufactures, and not re-inventing the wheel.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:47:59pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
I went to get by permit for the greenhouse this morning. What a shirty process, far worse than DMV. You have to go through a series of trials, each person is looking for a reason to deny the permit on the basis of their specialty. after four hours I got to the last guy to check the engineering math and specs. He rejected it and now I have to go back with more information. Also got a parking ticket of an expired meter.
I don't understand, what do they have against a greenhouse and why can't you build one on your own property?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:48:10pm |
re: #147 Charleston Chew
Dunno, dunno. I guess I pictured a small greenhouse without much chance of failing anywhere (unlike, say, a house for living). Upon further thought, if it's a large structure that may just collapse on KT, there is a point there.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:49:04pm |
re: #157 LudwigVanQuixote
It has to meet their building code requirements, including things like "lot coverage". KT, are you going to heat it?
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:49:08pm |
re: #158 Sergey Romanov
Dunno, dunno. I guess I pictured a small greenhouse without much chance of failing anywhere (unlike, say, a house for living). Upon further thought, if it's a large structure that may just collapse on KT, there is a point there.
It could totally flatten perfectly lovely tomatoes too.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:49:20pm |
One of my biggest problems with local ordinances is that they often make it very, very hard to build buildings out of non-standard, sustainable, green materials. They don't tend to keep up with advancements in sustainable tech, and then you have to either go to a lot of monetary trouble to prove that the stuff you're using is safe or wait for them to catch up to the technology. It's a real problem for those who want to build responsibly; it's far easier just to use established but non-green tech.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:49:33pm |
re: #138 Floral Giraffe
Just wait until they come out to inspect the construction & want it re-done.
Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.
Can you explain more?
This seems very odd.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:50:04pm |
re: #160 allegro
It could totally flatten perfectly lovely tomatoes too.
Nothing wrong with that. Less chance of a killer tomato attack.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:50:14pm |
re: #159 Floral Giraffe
It has to meet their building code requirements, including things like "lot coverage". KT, are you going to heat it?
Can't he just call it a shed with glass windows?
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erik_t Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:50:16pm |
re: #158 Sergey Romanov
Dunno, dunno. I guess I pictured a small greenhouse without much chance of failing anywhere (unlike, say, a house for living). Upon further thought, if it's a large structure that may just collapse on KT, there is a point there.
Or whoever else might buy his house in the future.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:14pm |
re: #150 Varek Raith
Fool.
That'll destabilize the containment field for the main core.
Silly red shirt.
I'm technobabbling in a different universe than you.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:23pm |
re: #158 Sergey Romanov
Dunno, dunno. I guess I pictured a small greenhouse without much chance of failing anywhere (unlike, say, a house for living). Upon further thought, if it's a large structure that may just collapse on KT, there is a point there.
It's a pretty substantial project. 250 sq feet attached to the back of the house. Heavy 7 ft long double paned extra thick glass. Heavy duty aluminum frame, some steel supports.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:35pm |
KT, just how large is the greenhouse gonna be?
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:39pm |
re: #129 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah... no. Eva Braun got what was coming to her.
I didn't read Renaissance_Man's comment as disputing that sort of thing - more like, "don't fall into the trap of thinking evil is an ultra-exotic, removed-from-normal-humanity thing." I agree with him if only because, seeing the shards of humanity in evil people makes it easier to deal with them effectively (either rehabilitating them if they're not too far gone, or exploiting their vulnerabilities to help do away with them once and for all).
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:42pm |
re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote
Safety ordinances make sense as long as they're easy enough to follow and comply with. You don't want to let someone build a greenhouse and then maybe hire some guy to help him pot stuff and then get killed by the collapsing greenhouse. Inspecting structures for physical safety is legitimate. But if you're gonna do it, you need to do it well and have rules people can and will follow, that are actually accessible and understandable, otherwise you're just fucking up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:46pm |
re: #164 LudwigVanQuixote
Can't he just call it a shed with glass windows?
You would need a permit for a shed here.
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Cinnabar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:51:58pm |
Pigs deserve better than to be compared to Rush.
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barry123 Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:52:03pm |
But Rush does have bigger tits than most of the GOP base
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:52:27pm |
re: #117 Cannadian Club Akbar
Already seeing a new T-shirt:
Saddam Hussein [x]
Osama Bin Laden [x]
Muammar Gaddafi [x]
Justin Bieber [ ]Heh. Won't post the link.
My son, who really hate's Bieber's music, would love that shirt.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:52:33pm |
re: #167 Killgore Trout
It's a pretty substantial project. 250 sq feet attached to the back of the house. Heavy 7 ft long double paned extra thick glass. Heavy duty aluminum frame, some steel supports.
Oh, thanks!
i hate "feet" *grumble grumble*
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:52:33pm |
re: #167 Killgore Trout
It's a pretty substantial project. 250 sq feet attached to the back of the house. Heavy 7 ft long double paned extra thick glass. Heavy duty aluminum frame, some steel supports.
That's the size of my whole "house." LOL
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:53:01pm |
re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote
Can you explain more?
This seems very odd.
They send inspectors out to view the construction at various stage of the project. If the inspector doesn't like something you have to stop and change it before you can continue.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:53:44pm |
re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote
I had to be more than 6 feet from the structure of the house, yet 3 feet from the property lines, I had to have a structural, water, gas inspection.
They didn't like my water lines, and they had to be re-done.
If you just build one, with no permits, and anyone sees it or complains, the city can make you tear it down.
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nines09 Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:54:09pm |
Would I be out of line saying I would go get help if Rush was choking on a chicken bone? I would walk a very long distance to get that help. I would make sure that the help I got was not gay. Nor a woman, or whore, like Rush likes his women to be called. Nor would the help be black or a Democrat. I would insist that the help not be immigrant help even if licensed to assist removal of said bone. The help would also have to be a fan, or Ditto Head who would be able to prove loyalty to Planet Rush. Might take a while. If I cannot get help, I'll call back. Shortly. Be right back.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:54:23pm |
re: #167 Killgore Trout
OOOH, you can't build attached here AT ALL. Fire Codes.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:54:52pm |
re: #169 publicityStunted
I didn't read Renaissance_Man's comment as disputing that sort of thing - more like, "don't fall into the trap of thinking evil is an ultra-exotic, removed-from-normal-humanity thing." I agree with him if only because, seeing the shards of humanity in evil people makes it easier to deal with them effectively (either rehabilitating them if they're not too far gone, or exploiting their vulnerabilities to help do away with them once and for all).
Yes fair enough... And I even read the Salon article he linked to which was really quite good. But on the flip side, I believe my original point still stands. I feel for Rush's cousin who has to duck her name, but there is nothing poignant about Rush.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:55:41pm |
re: #167 Killgore Trout
They only care about your safety, and are not just trying to bust your balls and drive up local fees.
*blink*
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:56:51pm |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They only care about your safety, and not just trying to bust your balls and drive up local fees.
*blink*
And this is why they still give warnings when you do 5 MPH over the speed limit.
*cough*
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OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 4:58:51pm |
I'm late commenting on the thread, but I'm having difficulty with my wording; too many thoughts trying to get out at the same time, so bear with me.
Rush Limbaugh. That Baron Harkkonan son of a bitch, has single handedly made it acceptable to spew racially charged hate speech out in the open. We are all aware that racism was festering it never died, and it wasn't really hidden all that well.
You recognize dogwhistles, you feel the tension when you walk in a room. You know why the old lady down the street let's her dog bark at your kids a little too long (behind the fence) while she stares out the window. But that... that I could deal with. It's part and parcel of being a black woman.
That said, my new neighbors threw a party last weekend. His friends thought it would be a good idea to talk about how they hated black women and what were good for -- I'll spare you the details. Whatever--I don't care what they think.
But they said it right under my babies' window.
Turns out, it was a bad idea.
Rant off.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:00:09pm |
re: #166 The Ghost of a Flea
I'm technobabbling in a different universe than you.
Ah, carry on then!
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:01:15pm |
TeaPartiers in Fallout!
Image: 16880-1-1318323476.jpg
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:01:18pm |
re: #185 OhNoZombies!
Righteous rant.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:01:41pm |
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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:02:05pm |
re: #188 Varek Raith
I thought you would have linked to a picture of those enemies from Point Lookout.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:02:34pm |
re: #188 Varek Raith
Is 3D Fallout fun? I frankly didn't care to get it because it seems it became just a shooter. F2 is still the best, no?
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:03:02pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:03:46pm |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
Is 3D Fallout fun? I frankly didn't care to get it because it seems it became just a shooter. F2 is still the best, no?
I like it.
But yeah, the Fallout 2 is still my favorite.
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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:04:03pm |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
Oh, it's great. I've heard New Vegas is better than 3, but my computer isn't powerful enough (I think) to confirm this theory.
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Flounder Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:04:12pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
Well that was your mistake, you asked for a permit. Shoulda just built it.
//
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:04:23pm |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
Is 3D Fallout fun? I frankly didn't care to get it because it seems it became just a shooter. F2 is still the best, no?
They're very different experiences. F3 holds together better in that you can't just get one weapon skill up high and shoot/knife everyone in the eyes forever. I'd say F3 is good, great with mods, but New Vegas is great right out of the box.
I also ask you to remember how many times your companions massacred your ass from behind during F2.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:04:36pm |
re: #190 Obdicut
Groin is too large.
"They said you was hung!"
"And they was right!"
-Blazing Saddles
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:04:57pm |
re: #197 Shropshire_Slasher
Well that was your mistake, you asked for a permit. Shoulda just built it.
//
And when the inspector comes? "Oh it just ... grew."
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:04:59pm |
re: #196 ProLifeLiberal
Oh, it's great. I've heard New Vegas is better than 3, but my computer isn't powerful enough (I think) to confirm this theory.
If you can play FO3, you should be able to play FNV.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:05:00pm |
re: #197 Shropshire_Slasher
Well that was your mistake, you asked for a permit. Shoulda just built it.
//
He should have buried it so no one could see it!!!
///
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:06:03pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
They're very different experiences. F3 holds together better in that you can't just get one weapon skill up high and shoot/knife everyone in the eyes forever. I'd say F3 is good, great with mods, but New Vegas is great right out of the box.
I also ask you to remember how many times your companions massacred your ass from behind during F2.
Did you nuke Megaton?
I can't help myself. Building a town around an undetonated nuke?
They deserved it.
:P
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prairiefire Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:06:24pm |
I had a conservative friend (until she dropped me) who listened to Rush religiously. She would throw out a faulty fact and avoid telling me she heard it on Rush. It would take four inquiries until she would tell me she heard The Grand Poobah say it.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:06:40pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
They're very different experiences. F3 holds together better in that you can't just get one weapon skill up high and shoot/knife everyone in the eyes forever. I'd say F3 is good, great with mods, but New Vegas is great right out of the box.
I also ask you to remember how many times your companions massacred your ass from behind during F2.
I got the exact opposite experience too many times in FO2, namely my companions setting up shop right front of either me or Marcus when we were deploying miniguns.
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Flounder Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:07:33pm |
I'm slogging thru Resistance 3 on PS3 right now. Really great game, but I have a feeling it will be too short.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:07:46pm |
re: #206 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I got the exact opposite experience too many times in FO2, namely my companions setting up shop right front of either me or Marcus when we were deploying miniguns.
My rule of thumb?
Fuck it, you're in my way. *PEWPEWPEW!!!*
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:08:01pm |
re: #203 Varek Raith
No, I didn't want to give those creepy bomb-worshipers the satisfaction of being blown up.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:09:07pm |
re: #209 Obdicut
No, I didn't want to give those creepy bomb-worshipers the satisfaction of being blown up.
What, you didn't want to see them reveal their true selves?
/(Obscure?)
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Amory Blaine Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:10:06pm |
re: #141 Sergey Romanov
I'm for regulations and all that, but shouldn't you be allowed to make mistakes like that on your own property? Who is harmed (but you)?
Your insurance company. There isn't a liberal conspiracy to deny you a permit. Codes are written by insurance companies, architects, engineers etc.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:10:25pm |
re: #209 Obdicut
No, I didn't want to give those creepy bomb-worshipers the satisfaction of being blown up.
See, that's why I shoot up the town before hand.
Got to loot the stores you know.
;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:10:42pm |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
Is 3D Fallout fun? I frankly didn't care to get it because it seems it became just a shooter. F2 is still the best, no?
I love you.
/but in a platonic sort of way
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:11:58pm |
re: #212 Varek Raith
See, that's why I shoot up the town before hand.
Got to loot the stores you know.
;)
True, but even blowing up Megaton didn't stop Moira.
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Stanghazi Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:12:30pm |
re: #185 OhNoZombies!
Again, fair to the fuck rant. Geeze.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:12:34pm |
re: #215 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
True, but even blowing up Megaton didn't stop Moira.
Lol, so true.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:12:36pm |
re: #195 Varek Raith
My favorite part was getting Vic to kill his own daughter.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:12:43pm |
re: #215 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
True, but even blowing up Megaton didn't stop Moira.
Gunning her down afterwards did.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:13:25pm |
re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gunning her down afterwards did.
It's the least you could do after her quest.
;)
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BishopX Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:13:47pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
They send inspectors out to view the construction at various stage of the project. If the inspector doesn't like something you have to stop and change it before you can continue.
Speaking as someone who has worked some home construction, this is a Very Good Thing. In modern homes, once the drywall goes up it's virtually impossible to judge if there is a problem with the work (carpentry, electrical or plumbing). The municipality to needs to insure quality work so that home-buyers will be willing to buy, because often you can't tell if anything is wrong without ripping the walls down to the studs.
When I've taken down the dry wall or plaster I've found a) empty whiskey bottles (1920s era) b) partial studs and c)wiring wrapped in electrical tape for insulation. Trust me, you want to buy a structure that has been permitted and inspected.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:14:02pm |
re: #211 Amory Blaine
Your insurance company. There isn't a liberal conspiracy to deny you a permit. Codes are written by insurance companies, architects, engineers etc.
It also doesn't help that my greenhouse is an unusual project. Most of these inspectors are looking at new decks, 2nd story expansions, new home construction. They don't see many greenhouses so they gave me a little extra scrutiny.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:14:34pm |
Colbert v. Browner: Former chief defends the EPA against truthiness
"The EPA is useless. That is an indisputable fact ... We protected the air and the water. We cleaned it up. Now you're just rubbing it in our faces by continuing to keep it clean."
...
"If there's more pollution then there's more work for the doctors who have to cure us of the diseases we get from the things we eat and drink. I can use your logic against you."
...
"Why do you want to bind the feet of American factory owners?"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:14:45pm |
Alrighty, Geeks-O'-PlentyTM, I have the morning shift and dinner is ready. See ya'll then.:)
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:15:01pm |
re: #220 Varek Raith
It's the least you could do after her quest.
;)
"That's for sending me into a Mirelurk nest!"
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:17:20pm |
re: #225 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"That's for sending me into a Mirelurk nest!"
"Oh, disarming it's real easy. Just jump up and down on it. You go first."
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windsagio Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:17:33pm |
Totally OT to everything, but still wanna say.
I'm very happy to be able to report that I do not have melanoma :D:D
(random happy music link)
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:19:00pm |
re: #226 Varek Raith
"Oh, disarming it's real easy. Just jump up and down on it. You go first."
Yeah, that's one reason to take the quest, to read all the snarky responses.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:19:21pm |
re: #227 windsagio
Shit, I didn't even know that was an issue. Much as I hate your guts, I wouldn't wish cancer on you. Congratulations.
/idonthateyourguts
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OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:19:25pm |
re: #216 Stanley Sea
:)
Had to get it out. I decided not to tell my family.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:19:31pm |
re: #228 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, that's one reason to take the quest, to read all the snarky responses.
"Yes, I blew up and died. Now I'm haunting you because of that stupid book. Boo."
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:19:51pm |
re: #225 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"That's for sending me into a Mirelurk nest!"
You didn't use the back door?
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:20:17pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:21:06pm |
My favorite sarcastic remark to Moira;
"It's like explosive whack-a-mole rat. Can I get it in bullet form? For people?"
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jamesfirecat Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:21:23pm |
re: #233 Varek Raith
Easiest way.
I just snuck in and then when I got spotted turned the mission into a Benny Hill Montage of my character running around to Mirelurk nests with half a dozen of them chasing after me....
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:21:30pm |
re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You didn't use the back door?
I did...the third time I did the quest. First two times was with stealth boys. *shudders*
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:22:53pm |
Rush is calling Michele Obama fat.
Well, from what I have seen, her arms are in better shape than his.
Althought, his boobs might be bigger . . .
How is everyone?
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:25:27pm |
re: #227 windsagio
Totally OT to everything, but still wanna say.
I'm very happy to be able to report that I do not have melanoma :D:D
(random happy music link)
[Video]
I had melanoma once. I didn't like it much. I found it was tasteless and rubbery.
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laZardo Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:26:25pm |
Bethesda's Fallout games are Oblivion w/ guns.
/soon to be Skyrim w/ guns
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arbitraryName Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:31:38pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
Schwarzenegger has been against Limbaugh, but it's not clear to me over what issues, offhand. Doing a google search for the names, I found this example from 2007:
And then came California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who frankly told "The Today Show" Tuesday that "Limbaugh is irrelevant."
"I'm not his servant," Schwarzenegger said. "I am the people's servant of California."
It was a shot aimed at Limbaugh's loaded term for Schwarzenegger -- "closet liberal."
Although the article suggested Schwarzenegger felt free to say whatever he wanted since he could not run for President. article
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:31:55pm |
re: #211 Amory Blaine
Your insurance company. There isn't a liberal conspiracy to deny you a permit. Codes are written by insurance companies, architects, engineers etc.
If you want to hook up to electricity, natural gas, water or sewage -those companies need to know that your structure is safe to do so.
If you want to have your structure insured against fire, theft, wind, tornados etc, the insurance company will only insure structures that are built to code.
Many weren't in Florida. After Andrew, they were mandated by law to pay the claims regardless. They had figured the premium cost on a certain estimated loss amount. That amount end-up being much higher because the buildings were unsafe. It bankrupt many carriers and those that were left, re-inspected every property they insured in the state of Florida and cancelled coverage on those that were not up to code.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:34:15pm |
Hi Lizards...A few updates...My buddy called me tonight jacked up..
ESPN called him to do 2 spots about his restaurant during the Oklahoma game Saturday night..He is the best cook I've ever met..So watch the Game and see my crazy Okie friend cook..
World Series is on...
The NBA is messed up.. The players make more money than any sport in the world.. The ave. Salary is 5.15 Million per year...The owners offered a 50-50 split and they think they are getting f*cked...
How more fair is 50-50? Stupid..
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jamesfirecat Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:35:47pm |
re: #244 arbitraryName
Schwarzenegger has been against Limbaugh, but it's not clear to me over what issues, offhand. Doing a google search for the names, I found this example from 2007:
Although the article suggested Schwarzenegger felt free to say whatever he wanted since he could not run for President. article
That was for one 4 years ago, for 2 a Republican who is running in a very blue state for 3 a Republican who got there by dint of one of the craziest primaries known to man.
In short not much of an exception since Arnold has hit the glass ceiling when it comes to how far he can rise in the Republican Party.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:36:21pm |
re: #246 HoosierHoops
I'm already missing the NBA.
Players should be at OWS, they're being so boned.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:37:01pm |
re: #245 ggt
Didn't State Farm flip Florida the bird and leave?
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darthstar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:38:08pm |
re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm already missing the NBA.
Players should be at OWS, they're being so boned.
I'll watch the NBA if they bring back Dr. J and ban slam dunks.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:38:51pm |
So, In America there is no ceiling as to how far you can rise --or how much money you can make. In theory, that means there is also no floor.
It's ok for movie exec, hollywood royalty, and sports players to be paid exaggerated amounts for the work they do, but not any one on Wall Street.
I still think the protesters are protesting in the wrong place. They should be on Capital Hill.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:40:24pm |
re: #250 darthstar
Actually, it is Fan-tastic.
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:40:26pm |
re: #251 ggt
So, In America there is no ceiling as to how far you can rise --or how much money you can make. In theory, that means there is also no floor.
It's ok for movie exec, hollywood royalty, and sports players to be paid exaggerated amounts for the work they do, but not any one on Wall Street.
I still think the protesters are protesting in the wrong place. They should be on Capital Hill.
Movie execs, Hollywood royalty and sports players didn't take out the economy, get bailed out and then pass that bail money about to themselves. Kinda different.
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TedStriker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:41:07pm |
re: #167 Killgore Trout
It's a pretty substantial project. 250 sq feet attached to the back of the house. Heavy 7 ft long double paned extra thick glass. Heavy duty aluminum frame, some steel supports.
I think that's the main issue you're having with your codes department, KT. If this were a separate outbuilding, I doubt you'd have anywhere near the same PITA problems as you are since it'll be attached to the house.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:41:12pm |
I'm entering my first pumpkin pie contest (of my life) on Sunday...I'm pretty fuckin' nervous...I mean, I make a good pumpkin pie (always from fresh pumpkin), but do I go with my pressure-cooker reduced pumpkin, my roasted and slightly carmelized pumpkin, grilled pumpkin...what to do...what to do...
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darthstar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:41:35pm |
re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually, it is Fan-tastic.
Didn't they drop that slogan in the 80s?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:41:57pm |
re: #250 darthstar
I'll watch the NBA if bring back Dr. J and ban slam dunks.
They wouldn't have to ban them. He probably can't dunk anymore.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:42:21pm |
re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Didn't State Farm flip Florida the bird and leave?
No. I worked with State Farm at that time. They reinspected every structure they had on the books and dumped those that weren't up to code. It wasn't cheap to do that, but they had to dig way deep in their coffers to pay all the claims from Andrew. It hurt them, but it didn't bankrupt them.
Perhaps it was Allstate --State Farm is often confused with them because the names are similar and they are both "household" names.
I had a friend who worked for another company involved in valueing claims. The industry had virtual cities of trailers set-up to deal with it. She was there for weeks at a time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:43:13pm |
re: #255 darthstar
I won 250.00 the first chili cook-off I ever entered.
To make it worse for the other contestants? Was the first time I had ever made chili.
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:45:26pm |
re: #251 ggt
So, In America there is no ceiling as to how far you can rise --or how much money you can make. In theory, that means there is also no floor.
Not at all. The floor necessarily will be zero. Many distributions will have one unlimited 'tail' but a limited head.
It's ok for movie exec, hollywood royalty, and sports players to be paid exaggerated amounts for the work they do, but not any one on Wall Street.
I still think the protesters are protesting in the wrong place. They should be on Capital Hill.
Which sports or movie star developed the imaginary money products that started the downward spiral? Which of them was bailed out and then paid themselves bonuses?
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:46:16pm |
re: #251 ggt
So, In America there is no ceiling as to how far you can rise --or how much money you can make. In theory, that means there is also no floor.
It's ok for movie exec, hollywood royalty, and sports players to be paid exaggerated amounts for the work they do, but not any one on Wall Street.
I still think the protesters are protesting in the wrong place. They should be on Capital Hill.
Not sure if this is a conscious factor, but remember the Buffet rule thing? It was all about "unearned income". High salary actors directors and athletes pay the high bracket taxes. Capitol gains people pay the low % when they maneuver as the tax code encourages.
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Stanghazi Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:46:23pm |
Wind - great news. Now LIVE LIFE.
Re: Rush. He lives in Palm Beach. His studio is on Worth Avenue in Palm Beach. The whitest of whitest rich people land. The help used to be black, but probably has transformed to Hispanic. (Remember his Guatemalan maid who took the fall for his bogus prescriptions?)
Well I used to live on the mainland and heard this story often. Can't locate it, but my google fu is lazy.
Apparently the island of Palm Beach was the residence of the blacks of the area. Well Henry Flagler (Oil) and his buddies decided they wanted the place. They had a big fair, come one, come all to the mainland. While the residents of Palm Beach were at said fair they burnt down their town. Done. Theirs. Forever after.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:47:16pm |
re: #253 allegro
Movie execs, Hollywood royalty and sports players didn't take out the economy, get bailed out and then pass that bail money about to themselves. Kinda different.
True. I still think there is a disconnect.
I hear more about the vast difference in income than I do about alleged crimes or immoral behavior.
I still can't blame Wall Street. It is made-up of gamblers, they are going to do what they do until they are stopped. It's up to us to rein them in and stay-on-top of those we elected to regulate them.
If there is immorality, it is on the part of Congress Critters who allowed themselves to be woo'ed by lobbyists and, IMHO, probably themselves profited.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:47:43pm |
Today's Tea Partying Creationist Republican in Politics update:
Tea party Republican runs for Fairfax school board
On Nov. 8, Fairfax voters will choose three candidates to fill countywide “at-large’’ seats on the school board. [...]
Republican-endorsed Lin-Dai Kendall is the only at-large candidate I’ve talked with who has identified herself as a member of the tea party movement. I asked her how her political beliefs inform her views on school policy.
[...]
What sets Kendall apart from other candidates is her affiliation with the tea party, which she describes as a movement “geared toward restoring America’s ideals.”
She raises questions about school curricula — particularly in government and social studies classes — [...]
“We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values, and that has been downplayed extraordinarily in my view,” said Kendall, an architect and mother of four. “We are teaching revisionist history.”
She wants U.S. history classes to do a better job teaching about the Founding Fathers, and she wants government classes to emphasize the exceptionalism of the United States and its free-market economy.
“It’s the one system around the world that is proven to create wealth,” she said. [really?]
The Constitution, she said, should be taught as the immutable law of the land, not as a living document that can change with the times.
Her beliefs are rooted in broader feelings about the country’s political direction, she said.
“I think the recognition of the rugged individualism that made America great has been completely written over,” she said. [...]
Asked about the role of religion in public schools, she said she believes in secular public schools and the separation of church and state. She said she would support teaching intelligent design and creationism alongside evolution and the Big Bang — an issue that divided school board candidates in the 1990s but has since largely disappeared from the public conversation over schools.
“I think that we should put out all the theories because that’s what they are, theories,” she said. “I don’t want to tell them what is, in terms of our origins, because we don’t know.”
Kendall, who serves as president of the Republican Women of Clifton, [...]
She believes in separation of church and state... so she wants creationism taught in public schools.
Why does my head hurt?
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Political Atheist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:47:59pm |
re: #227 windsagio
Totally OT to everything, but still wanna say.
I'm very happy to be able to report that I do not have melanoma :D:D
(random happy music link)
[Video]
Congrats. Glad to hear you'll be around to argue with me. :-)
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:48:43pm |
re: #254 talon_262
I think that's the main issue you're having with your codes department, KT. If this were a separate outbuilding, I doubt you'd have anywhere near the same PITA problems as you are since it'll be attached to the house.
If he were in the Chicago area, I'd tell him he didn't offer enough *ahem* (fill in the blank).
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darthstar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:48:54pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:51:59pm |
re: #267 ggt
It's called "key money" in NY when you want to rent an apartment.
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Stanghazi Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:52:15pm |
re: #261 Rightwingconspirator
Not sure if this is a conscious factor, but remember the Buffet rule thing? It was all about "unearned income". High salary actors directors and athletes pay the high bracket taxes. Capitol gains people pay the low % when they maneuver as the tax code encourages.
And athletes must pay tax in every state they play. (including workmans comp) Huge need of CPA's for them.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:53:03pm |
re: #265 freetoken
Your head hurts because you are trying to hard to understand that which cannot be understood.
There is no logic, stop trying . .
These people are trying to "restore the Republic" to past mythological ideal.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:53:06pm |
re: #271 Stanley Sea
WOW! Did not know that. That's a lot of taxes. Every state? Just WOW!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:53:42pm |
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TedStriker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:53:59pm |
re: #222 Killgore Trout
It also doesn't help that my greenhouse is an unusual project. Most of these inspectors are looking at new decks, 2nd story expansions, new home construction. They don't see many greenhouses so they gave me a little extra scrutiny.
Probably thinking you might decide to cultivate a little Acapulco Gold...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:55:22pm |
re: #276 talon_262
Probably thinking you might decide to cultivate a little Acapulco Gold...
But that is practically legal where he is --no?
Oh, wait, did you offer them any?
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freetoken Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:55:31pm |
re: #272 ggt
These people are trying to "restore the Republic" to past mythological ideal.
They're desperately running from reality because the contemporary world doesn't fit their emotional needs.
That's the best I can come up with.
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:55:41pm |
re: #276 talon_262
Probably thinking you might decide to cultivate a little Acapulco Gold...
Personal use, dude.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:56:19pm |
re: #279 freetoken
They're desperately running from reality because the contemporary world doesn't fit their emotional needs.
That's the best I can come up with.
Brave New World is a scary thing. People are scrambling to hold-on to any perceived power they might have. It's a fear-based reaction.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:56:39pm |
re: #107 reuven
Years ago, when he first started, I actually thought he was entertaining, though I mostly disagreed with him, or thought he oversimplified the issues. Now he's getting really weird.
Getting?
It's odd that he carries so much weight (no pun intended) with the Republican Party.
No it isn't, at all. He articulates the ignorant, hate-based views of conservative dupes, perfectly.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:56:58pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:57:05pm |
re: #279 freetoken
They're desperately running from reality because the contemporary world doesn't fit their emotional needs.
That's the best I can come up with.
They've been told the group they belong to was much happier in the idyllic past.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:58:04pm |
re: #284 b_sharp
They've been told the group they belong to was much happier in the idyllic past.
Ah, but then the question is, why aren't they so happy now?
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Stanghazi Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:58:20pm |
re: #273 Floral Giraffe
WOW! Did not know that. That's a lot of taxes. Every state? Just WOW!
Yep. Actually there was a 60 minutes thingy about how the athletes claim workers comp from whatever state they were injured in. VERY VERY COMPLICATED.
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allegro Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:59:01pm |
re: #285 freetoken
Ah, but then the question is, why aren't they so happy now?
Because... LIBRULS!!!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:59:13pm |
re: #262 Stanley Sea
Wind - great news. Now LIVE LIFE.
Re: Rush. He lives in Palm Beach. His studio is on Worth Avenue in Palm Beach. The whitest of whitest rich people land. The help used to be black, but probably has transformed to Hispanic. (Remember his Guatemalan maid who took the fall for his bogus prescriptions?)
Well I used to live on the mainland and heard this story often. Can't locate it, but my google fu is lazy.
Apparently the island of Palm Beach was the residence of the blacks of the area. Well Henry Flagler (Oil) and his buddies decided they wanted the place. They had a big fair, come one, come all to the mainland. While the residents of Palm Beach were at said fair they burnt down their town. Done. Theirs. Forever after.
I have cousins in West Palm (mother was born there). The "help" is still Black.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 5:59:45pm |
re: #285 freetoken
Ah, but then the question is, why aren't they so happy now?
There is a black man in the White House?
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OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:00:12pm |
re: #263 ggt
This is why people are pissed at banks.
This was my bank. I used to have about $80 in overdrafts every 2nd Friday, on payday. Transactions from Bill Pay would be pushed through right before the money from my direct deposits cleared.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:01:15pm |
re: #290 OhNoZombies!
This is why people are pissed at banks.
This was my bank. I used to have about $80 in overdrafts every 2nd Friday, on payday. Transactions from Bill Pay would be pushed through right before the money from my direct deposits cleared.
And how long did you put with that?
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:04:51pm |
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OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:05:27pm |
re: #291 ggt
Not long. They gave me the run around when I tried to persue it. Thing was, initially I thought it was my fault because they didn't always do that.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:06:58pm |
re: #289 ggt
There is a black man in the White House?
It's not a movie and there is still no asteroid coming to wipe out earth.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:07:59pm |
re: #289 ggt
There is a black man in the White House?
That is part of it, I think. There really is some closeted racism that has come out the past few years.
Yet there has to be more to it than that, no?
I suspect that the real (physical) world has put the United States into a place where "wealth", which remember is one of the Tea Partiers favorite word, has crested along with international influence, and not coincidently along with the peaking in natural resource extraction within the borders.
When unspoken but still substantial belief systems get upended something has to give. Many of the older Americans, and the Tea Partiers are dominated by grey hairs, have had the "rules" changed on them. They grew up in an era when America could do anything, and afford anything. At least that was the perception. Today it is becoming evident that the US is facing its own limits - sort of like we all do when we transition from youth to old age, we discover we can't do everything and anything, even though we believed that as children.
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mikefromArlington Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:08:00pm |
when is this slug gonna choke on his own vomit?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:08:58pm |
re: #296 mikefromArlington
when is this slug gonna choke on his own vomit?
Probably already has - but his maid cleaned it up along with his scrips from the dial-a-doc pharmacy.
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OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:09:02pm |
re: #294 wozzablog
But don't think I don't take a glance up at the sky every now and again.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:09:03pm |
re: #58 Obdicut
By the way, since the topic of antisemitism has been on my mind, I'd like to encourage everyone to see this great movie:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Video]It's a movie that directly confronted the antisemitism in the US. One of the actors, John Garfield, took a supporting role during a time when he was an outright star because he felt the message was so important. It got him called on the carpet by the House Un-American Activities committee, and eventually blackballed for refusal to 'name names'. A reminder that support for the Jews used to get you investigated for being a commie, back in the day.
I luv luv luv John Garfield, love him in everything Ive seen him in. He was a major target of cons before HUAC too, as was everyone in eeeevilll h-wood who advocated openly for civil rights.
I will have to check when I get home, but I'm certain he landed in Red Channels (for those not familiar, the commiebaiting bible for dumb con bigots of the period.) Typical of their kind, unable to compete, they wanted everyone in competition with them canned. It surprises me not one iota Ayn Rand was a friendly witness to HUAC.
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Stanghazi Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:09:08pm |
re: #288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I have cousins in West Palm (mother was born there). The "help" is still Black.
Admirable I guess. I have a prob with the PBers and their WASPyness.
I lived in Palm Beach Gardens and Jupiter.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:09:40pm |
re: #290 OhNoZombies!
I dealt with a predatory mortgage company, that didn't post the payments until 10 days after the check had cleared my bank. I voted with my feet. There is no NEED to do business with a shitty service provider. Some of these businesses have forgotten that they are a service provider.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:09:42pm |
re: #185 OhNoZombies!
{{{OhNoZombies!}}}
I'm a little late here, and I feel funny hugging a zombie, but there it is.
Trying to protect your kids from that is so heart breaking.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:11:46pm |
WozzaWork update -
i have more. yay.
current boss handed me another few streets worth of addresses to canvass for the electoral roll.
Must be doing something right. Or hiding it well, probably the later.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:11:55pm |
re: #300 Stanley Sea
Admirable I guess. I have a prob with the PBers and their WASPyness.
I lived in Palm Beach Gardens and Jupiter.
Or wanna-be waspyness. Actual WASPYness, I can even partly respect. In my experience, they have nothing to prove, unlike their class-anxious, 2-generations-off-the-farm imitators.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:13:21pm |
re: #304 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Or wanna-be waspyness. Actual WASPYness, I can even partly respect. In my experience, they have nothing to prove, unlike their class-anxious, 2-generations-off-the-farm imitators.
ah, to be a Patrician WASP in the fall....
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:13:30pm |
Drudge still has Alex Jones and Infowars on his blog roll but hasn't linked to him much lately. I think the love affair is over.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:14:18pm |
re: #285 freetoken
Ah, but then the question is, why aren't they so happy now?
Because their entire world is filled with loud-talking demagogues who manipulate their emotions to make them angry. This feeling is so addictive that they continually seek out the same stimulus so they will continue to be angry.
This is not snark. That's the real reason.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:15:12pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
Logic is unemotional, religion is emotion.
Well...While I generally agree and realize a 6 word post cannot bring the complexities of religion to bear on a blog..
I think of Religion like a multi faceted jewel..
Religion is faith
Religion is Love ( Right )
Religion is knowledge unto its self ( Bible and Holy Books)
Religion is rules.. ( Really..when you think about it..You can't buy more rules )
Religion is interpretations ( Look at Christanity.. You may be saying Hail Marys in the confessional asking forgiveness for sin or handling snakes or speaking in tongues..You never know )
Don't forget there are 72 Virgins waiting for you
Religion is community.. Like minded people...Catholics, Muslims, Protestants etc..By having religions you can have leaders condemning pretty much everything depending of their views..
Religion will hang the Son of Man.. No problem..
And if God declares you His People.. You are in deep do do..Man will kill you by the Millions in ovens
Religion...
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:15:40pm |
he starts by attacking John McCain for giving credit
and the other day he was criticizing romney and cantor for sympathizing with the idea of being for the 99%
pretty soon he'll start in on criticizing zombie ronald reagan and zombie barry goldwater
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OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:16:20pm |
re: #302 wrenchwench
[ Hugs back! :) ]
One day I'm going to have to explain these things to them.
I'm just not ready to yet.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:17:31pm |
Here is perhaps the most SHOCKING news story of the day:
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:18:13pm |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
Drudge still has Alex Jones and Infowars on his blog roll but hasn't linked to him much lately. I think the love affair is over.
I wonder why he did it in the first place. Drudge has always struck me as being neocon partisan instead of paleocon paranoiac.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:18:58pm |
re: #308 Renaissance_Man
I can buy that. I've often said that they hate for the sake of hating. The rush of adrenaline that gets the heart pumping is part of the sales-job the talkers are doing continually.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:20:47pm |
re: #313 bratwurst
Here is perhaps the most SHOCKING news story of the day:
Who could have predicted it... other than anyone who has been following the trends I mean?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:21:04pm |
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PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:21:27pm |
::: driving by ::: Good Night to my fellow Lizards. ::: waving to the room :::
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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:21:41pm |
re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I wonder why he did it in the first place. Drudge has always struck me as being
neocon partisan instead of paleocon paranoiac.a complete asshole
FTFY
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:24:05pm |
re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I wonder why he did it in the first place. Drudge has always struck me as being neocon partisan instead of paleocon paranoiac.
I think it was just anything to bash Obama. The Tea Party introduced a lot of antigovernment paranoia back into the Republican party. Suddenly they were opposed to DHS, Homeland security, TSA, FEMA. Now it's fading with the revival of the antiwar left. Paulians, Truthers, Illuminati cranks are migrating from the Tea Party to their old antiwar pals OWS.
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Ojoe Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:25:07pm |
Towercam gloaming for October 20, A.D. 2011 or 5772.
A very plain gloaming.
Telescope dome houses instrument thru which the discovery of the expansion of the universe was made.
BBL
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windsagio Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:27:10pm |
re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Drudge has more than a little bit of 'whatever the fuck gets me links.'
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:27:24pm |
re: #295 freetoken
That is part of it, I think. There really is some closeted racism that has come out the past few years.
Yet there has to be more to it than that, no?
I suspect that the real (physical) world has put the United States into a place where "wealth", which remember is one of the Tea Partiers favorite word, has crested along with international influence, and not coincidently along with the peaking in natural resource extraction within the borders.
When unspoken but still substantial belief systems get upended something has to give. Many of the older Americans, and the Tea Partiers are dominated by grey hairs, have had the "rules" changed on them. They grew up in an era when America could do anything, and afford anything. At least that was the perception. Today it is becoming evident that the US is facing its own limits - sort of like we all do when we transition from youth to old age, we discover we can't do everything and anything, even though we believed that as children.
There has been a lot of change. I think a black man in the white house is just a visible change.
Global politics; global communication; global economy; immigrants don't Anglicize their names any more; earthquake in Chile caused the earth to tilt on it's access, we lost a few nanoseconds of our day because of another one (I can't recall the specifics); signs are written in Spanish and English; A college degree is about as meaningful as a HS diploma used to be; sex on tv; a woman lost the democratic nomination to a black man; LGBT is talked about openly; 9/11; Mr Spock has feelings; LADY GAGA; and we have a Sekrit Mooslim Black non-citizen in the White House.
AND all of this in the last 20 years, which is, historically speaking, pretty much simultaneously. Talk about Paradigm shifts. . .
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:27:42pm |
re: #321 Killgore Trout
I think it was just anything to bash Obama. The Tea Party introduced a lot of antigovernment paranoia back into the Republican party. Suddenly they were opposed to DHS, Homeland security, TSA, FEMA. Now it's fading with the revival of the antiwar left. Paulians, Truthers, Illuminati cranks are migrating from the Tea Party to their old antiwar pals OWS.
Neither really went away, the antiwar left or the troother/paulians/illuminati-antisemitic cranks.
Many on the OWS/antiwar left also share a loathing for Obama with the rwnj. Doesn't quite match the virulent crossburning of the tea party, but there are indeed those elements.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:28:32pm |
re: #323 windsagio
Drudge has more than a little bit of 'whatever the fuck gets me links.'
That, too.
Total opportunist looking for more dupes - he shares that with AJ.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:30:44pm |
re: #324 ggt
immigrants don't Anglicize their names any more;
This ☝,
LGBT is talked about openly
and this ☝.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:32:17pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:33:59pm |
re: #324 ggt
There has been a lot of change. I think a black man in the white house is just a visible change.
Global politics; global communication; global economy; immigrants don't Anglicize their names any more; earthquake in Chile caused the earth to tilt on it's access, we lost a few nanoseconds of our day because of another one (I can't recall the specifics); signs are written in Spanish and English; A college degree is about as meaningful as a HS diploma used to be; sex on tv; a [white] woman lost the democratic nomination to a black man; LGBT is talked about openly; 9/11; Mr Spock has feelings; LADY GAGA; and we have a Sekrit Mooslim Black non-citizen in the White House.
AND all of this in the last 20 years, which is, historically speaking, pretty much simultaneously. Talk about Paradigm shifts. . .
Added for clarity.
You should have seen all those fwd:fwd:fwd:fwds of that idiotic email from "its tie for a woman in the white house types", about Black men getting the vote before white women and 2008 being some kind of re-do of that.
Lol as if I "as a wommonn" would ever be on board with that crap.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:36:12pm |
Game 2 of the World Series is shaping up as a classic! Wow
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:37:19pm |
Unmarried teenage girls aren't ashamed and aren't hidden away by their families; baby daddies don't feel the need to marry their baby mama's; no one is ashamed to take "charity" from the government; THEY DON'T LEARN ENGLISH!;
THEY AREN'T CITIZENS; cars talk to you now; women can get pregnant because they want to; people talk about sex; smoking cigarettes is bad; smoking pot is ok; Space Program has ended; People no longer have land lines into their homes --cell phones only. People don't write letters, the USPS is going broke;
Can we think of more?
Last 20 years guys . .
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:38:26pm |
Who is Rush to make weight jokes about anyone? Rush truly is Eric Cartman if Eric Cartman were a 60 year old talentless hack of a man.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:39:06pm |
re: #331 HoosierHoops
Game 2 of the World Series is shaping up as a classic! Wow
Yeah I just saw the score. We're seeing a return to the 60's and 70's where pitching dominated and as a former LL pitcher I love it.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 6:52:58pm |
re: #115 Sergey Romanov
I dunno. The people in the morgue around Kaddafi's corpse looked all like Islamist-y and, I don't know, like what you see in various "militant" videos. I hope this impression is biased and wrong and there will be no new Islamist age in Libya.
A long beard isn't necessarily an indicator of an Islamist. It's part of the Sunnah, so any devout Muslim male might have a beard. Some who are not so devout also have beards. ;)
re: #122 Sergey Romanov
Take a look at videos from Chechen guerrillas. See if you see the diff. I guess that all those "Allahu Akbar" shouts out of the blue are the usual thing, but...
Allahu Akbar is a VERY common utterance. It's repeated in the adhan (call to prayer), numerous times during each of the 5 daily prayers, when people are excited, happy, angry, you name it. It just seems "out of the blue" to you because you're not accustomed to hearing it all the time.
re: #128 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, I got it. It's more the behavior/general vibe. Though these are "secondary" features and these guys may actually be democrats at heart. ;) At least one would hope so.
Actually, I don't think that was the vibe—at least not in the way that I think you're probably imagining it. My Arabic isn't fluent, Libyans have their own accent & dialects, and there was a lot of commotion (not to mention crappy audio to begin with), but I'll tell you how I read the situation.
The older, dark-skinned, husky guy with the bushy beard that came to the forefront around 1:35 seemed to be trying to calm everyone down. One of the first (intelligible) things he said was "Astaghfirullah", which means "I seek forgiveness from Allah". To me, his facial expression was one of chagrin mixed with an understanding of the extreme emotions of the moment.
Except for a word here & there I couldn't understand the rest, but what I can tell you is that in Islam the manhandling or mutilation of a corpse—any corpse, Muslim or not—is strictly forbidden. Ditto for celebrating or gloating over someone's death.
The younger guys (and even some of the older ones) had been doing all of the above, so he appeared to be trying to calm them down by reminding them that what they were doing was completely inappropriate, Islamically speaking. It seemed to work as they appeared to become much more subdued & sober after that. His tone of voice and the rhythmic nature of his speech was that of someone talking about religion.
So, yes, in a way you were right in that it was an Islamic thing, but it wasn't something ominous or something that should cause anyone to be filled with foreboding (unless Muslims trying to actually follow any part of Islam unnerves you, heh). My best guess is he was telling them something along the lines of, "Listen brothers, I understand how you feel, but Islam says [insert Hadith, Sunnah, verses form the Qur'an, etc.]. Not only that, but the whole world is watching us and will judge us based on your behavior. Is this really the impression you want to give the world about Libyans & Muslims?..."
Hope that helps put things in perspective a little. :)
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