Rick Perry, Birther

Donald Trump got him a-thinkin’ about it
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It’s the right wing delusion that absolutely refuses to die.

Rick Perry tells Parade Magazine that after having dinner with Donald Trump, he’s suddenly “undecided” whether President Obama is really an American citizen.

Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
I have no reason to think otherwise.

That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he”—
Well, I don’t have a definitive answer, because he’s never seen my birth certificate.

But you’ve seen his.
I don’t know. Have I?

You don’t believe what’s been released?
I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.

And?
That came up.

And he said?
He doesn’t think it’s real.

And you said?
I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the President of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue.

Who knows whether Perry really buys this racist paranoia himself — but he definitely recognizes its appeal to a right wing base that’s utterly disconnected from reality.

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221 comments
1 mr.fusion  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:31:15pm

That should be about enough to get him back to "Tea Party alternative to Mitt Romney" status

2 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:32:16pm

*sigh*

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:33:40pm

I think he really is just that stupid. Because wink-winking on this issue but at the same time saying that it doesn't matter and Obama is still a legitimate President doesn't really make him more popular for the teabaggers - they want some birther-based action.

4 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:35:35pm

Even the evasions are bigger in Texas.

5 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:38:27pm
Governor, you made the news last year when you said you were out jogging in Austin with your daughter’s puppy, and you came across a coyote that was threatening your dog. Did you really shoot it like you said you did?
Yes, ma’am. One shot right in the shoulder.

You saw him drop, but did he die?
Yeah, right there.

So how come there’s been so much controversy over it? For example, some people have said it’s simply not possible to jog and carry a gun at the same time.
One guy from upstate New York said [it couldn’t have happened because] “coyotes would run away.” Come to Austin. I’ll show you coyotes that will come and get in your backyard and eat your little puppy.

6 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:39:17pm

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigg*r, nigg*r, nigg*r." By 2011 you can't say "nigg*r" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like birth certificate, states' rights and all that stuff. -- Lee Atwater

7 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:39:50pm

It never, ever ends. Without crazy, the machine would just stop.

8 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:40:36pm

re: #7 makeitstop

It never, ever ends. Without crazy, the machine wold just stop.

Just wait. Should Obama win a second term, the crazy will become even crazier.

9 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:41:27pm

re: #8 Lidane

Just wait. Should Obama win a second term, the crazy will become even crazier.

You mean all this time the wingularity has yet to be breached? //

10 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:41:53pm

Translation:

Perry: Durn it! Remember me? How can that Black guy be the front runner? Ahm white and much more Christian! Really folks I go with my fears and gut on everything. Just like you! Facts are librul conspiracies! Remember me!?!? Durn it!

11 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:43:23pm

re: #9 Gus 802

You mean all this time the wingularity has yet to be breached? //

It's come close a few times. I think we'll see the event horizon on Election Day in 2012 if Obama wins again.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:50:00pm

re: #11 Lidane

It's come close a few times. I think we'll see the event horizon on Election Day in 2012 if Obama wins again.

I will at least remind everyone that Mitt Romney had the good sense to stay away from the evangelical confab in Iowa. Honestly, i'd have to say he made the right call. In that environment, he'd spend more time defending his religion against charges he isn't a real Christian than he would talking policy.

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:50:54pm

re: #10 LudwigVanQuixote

Translation:

Perry: Durn it! Remember me? How can that Black guy be the front runner? Ahm white and much more Christian! Really folks I go with my fears and gut on everything. Just like you! Facts are librul conspiracies! Remember me!?!? Durn it!

Perry: Look, I'm sorry 'bout what I said 'bout illegals, I think they're all out to get out kids hooked on drugs, steal our jobs, and murder our pets. And I'm gettin' ready to sign legislation that will prevent me from ever repeating the whole HPV business, I believe that vaccines are too dangerous. NOW PLEASE LOVE ME AGAIN!!!

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:53:53pm

*sigh*

And so it begins.

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

In his address to Libyans raising the tricolor flags that have emerged as a symbol of their revolt, Abdel Jalil urged “forgiveness and reconciliation” and struck an Islamic tone when speaking of the post-Qaddafi Libya. ‘

‘We, as an Islamic state, have adopted the Islamic Shariah as the main source of legislation,” he said. “As such, any law that runs contrary to the Islamic principles of the Islamic Shariah is legally void.”

He said the country’s new leadership is seeking to establish Islamic banks that ban the payment of interest. Charging interest “brings about diseases and creates hatred,” he said.

15 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:54:13pm

Here we have an example of a rare phenomenon-The slow implosion.

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:57:21pm

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

What purpose does a bank serve if it doesn't loan money and charge interest?

First CityWide Change Bank.
We make change.

17 nines09  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:57:37pm

"I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night. He fed me something. Let me regurgitate it for all to see."
Zombie says what?

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:57:39pm

This is even weirder CT than "nukes are lies".

Enjoy: [Link: osamaobamabidenbinladen.blogspot.com...]

19 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 12:58:10pm

Birtherism because you can't cure stupid with all the facts in the world.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:01:06pm

Primer for GOP Candidates...

When someone asks you if the President was born in America?
You say, "Yes!"

I'm just sayin'...

21 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:01:34pm

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

‘We, as an Islamic state, have adopted the Islamic Shariah as the main source of legislation,” he said. “As such, any law that runs contrary to the Islamic principles of the Islamic Shariah is legally void.”

It depends on how they interpret Sharia. Iraq used sharia in their constitution as well but they don't have morality police, burqa enforcement, shopping off heads for infidelity, etc.
We'll have to wait and see how this pans out.

22 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:01:44pm

Perry 2012: Putting An American Back In The White House!

//

23 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:02:57pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

It depends on how they interpret Sharia. Iraq used sharia in their constitution as well but they don't have morality police, burqa enforcement, shopping off heads for infidelity, etc.
We'll have to wait and see how this pans out.

It's still a negative development, though an expected one.

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:06:58pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Maybe it's "Creeping Sharia".

25 Summer Seale  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:07:26pm

OT:

I know everyone is angry at NPR right now and, as I said last night, I am as well.

But there was a very good little segment on NPR Talk Of The Nation on the 20th of October about the evangelical movement and Republican politics:

Evangelical Christians Form Parallel Structure.

26 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:08:29pm

re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe it's "Creeping Sharia".

No doubt Pamela Geller will take this ball and run with it.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama has brought an Islamist-Sharia government to Libya!!11ty

27 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:09:55pm

re: #25 Summer

Don't be too angry with NPR. They folded a losing hand, that's all.

28 blueraven  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:11:01pm

This whole business of meeting with Trump as some sort of stamp of approval for republican candidates is disturbing enough on it own. The birther stuff is just an add on to me.

Trump is a disgusting blow hard who is still stinging from the beating he received from Obama this past Spring.

29 Fart Knocker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:12:21pm
"I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the President of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue."

Then sack up and say you believe unequivocally that he is an American citizen you douchenozzle!!

30 blueraven  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:12:47pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Don't be too angry with NPR. They folded a losing hand, that's all.

No, they folded before they drew all their cards.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:15:36pm

re: #30 blueraven

No, they folded before they drew all their cards.

That happens often enough. You figure the hand after the flop isn't isn't good enough to justify making the bet you'd need to make to see the turn and so you fold.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:16:26pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I suck at cards.

33 Fart Knocker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:17:00pm

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I suck at cards.

go fish.

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:18:06pm

re: #33 rwdflynavy

I'm even bad at "go fish". Really. I'm the worst card player ever.

35 blueraven  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:22:52pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

That happens often enough. You figure the hand after the flop isn't isn't good enough to justify making the bet you'd need to make to see the turn and so you fold.

No guts, no glory. I dont think their hand was very bad at all.

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:23:46pm

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

Isn't Tripoli a very cosmopolitan city? If it is? I can't see Sharia making it there.

37 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:26:23pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Don't be too angry with NPR. They folded a losing hand, that's all.

So when does the GOP follow suit with their current candidates?

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:26:46pm

re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn't Tripoli a very cosmopolitan city? If it is? I can't see Sharia making it there.

Sadly, Radical Islam is never far below the surface in the Middle East. In the 1970's, Tehran was a cosmopolitan city. The challenge is to keep the radical impulses in check while still allowing people to feel their religion is respected.

39 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:26:53pm

T E B O W

40 lockjawcanbefun  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:27:04pm
You don’t believe what’s been released?
I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.

And?
That came up.

And he said?
He doesn’t think it’s real.

Trumpy! You can do stupid things!

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:27:17pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Tebow time?

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:27:43pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So when does the GOP follow suit with their current candidates?

They don't. Presidential primaries are like Draw Poker, not Texas Hold 'Em. But I do think they'll keep Romney.

43 blueraven  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:28:07pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So when does the GOP follow suit with their current candidates?

They are doubling down instead!

44 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:29:32pm

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Done, Denver wins in OT.

45 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:29:59pm

Bears beat the Buccaneers 24-18 in London while the Detroit Lions fall to the Falcons in Detroit 23-16. Go Bears!

I need to help my dad with a project. BBL

46 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:33:07pm

Perry is a natural born citizen of the Confederacy. Is he eligible himself?

47 keithgabryelski  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:33:42pm

He's not a birther -- he's just birther curious.

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:33:55pm

re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn't Tripoli a very cosmopolitan city? If it is? I can't see Sharia making it there.

Iran was quite a secular country with cosmopolitan cities once upon a time.

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:35:26pm

Brad Friedman of BradBlog is at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] now.

50 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:36:19pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea

Done, Denver wins in OT.

Didn't see that coming. Denver was at 0 for a long time. So the finally beat Miami. A team which is 0-6 and yet to win a game.

51 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:36:29pm

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

Brad Friedman of BradBlog is at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] now.

Yes - I just bumped that Page back to the top, because I saw he had responded to SFZ's post.

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:37:04pm

re: #51 Charles

Gonna be interesting.

53 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:38:31pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Iran was quite a secular country with cosmopolitan cities once upon a time.

Yeah, dictatorships have this interesting tendency towards secularism, especially when they were either on our payroll or the Soviets.

54 dragonfire1981  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:39:28pm

Pop Quiz Kids!

Is the GOP more concerned with:

A: Improving the american economy

B: Turning this country into a theocracy

C: Taking away the reproductive rights of women nation nationwide

or

D: Destroying Barack Obama at any cost.

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:40:00pm

re: #53 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, dictatorships have this interesting tendency towards secularism, especially when they were either on our payroll or the Soviets.

Unbridled Islamism is hard to control, perhaps that's why.

56 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:41:58pm

re: #55 Sergey Romanov

Unbridled Islamism is hard to control, perhaps that's why.

well that and the fact that Islamic religious leaders are notoriously stubborn and difficult to control ;)

57 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:42:17pm

Been a Dolphins fan since i was six.... 23 years of findom.

*sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

58 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:42:48pm

It looks like Not-So-Slick Rick is trying to recapture the magic of his campaign's early days (you know, before he actually started talking). The GOP base is no doubt still smarting from Herman Cain's abortion betrayal, but I don't think they're quite ready to re-embrace Perry after his "you don't have a heart" comment, no matter how many racist conspiracy theories he spouts.

59 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:43:13pm

re: #57 wozzablog

Been a Dolphins fan since i was six... 23 years of findom.

*sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

Don't you mean "EEEK! EEEK! EEEK!"?

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:43:28pm

re: #56 windsagio

Part and parcel of what I said.

61 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:43:46pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Pop Quiz Kids!

Is the GOP more concerned with:

A: Improving the american economy

B: Turning this country into a theocracy

C: Taking away the reproductive rights of women nation nationwide

or

D: Destroying Barack Obama at any cost.

I'd usually say "E: All of the above," but it's become pretty obvious by this point that the GOP has about as much concern for the economy as they do for women's rights. If there's any variation in their candidates "plans" for the economy, it's in how much of a tax cut they want to give to the rich while digging into me and thee's pockets ever deeper.

62 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:44:26pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov

Gonna be interesting.

Seems pretty cool so far.

63 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:44:42pm

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't you mean "EEEK! EEEK! EEEK!"?

Yes, *deep sigh*, yes I do.

64 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:44:59pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Pop Quiz Kids!

Is the GOP more concerned with:

A: Improving the american economy

B: Turning this country into a theocracy

C: Taking away the reproductive rights of women nation nationwide

or

D: Destroying Barack Obama at any cost.

I'd go with B, as it seems C and D are just means to that end.

65 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:45:33pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Pop Quiz Kids!

Is the GOP more concerned with:

A: Improving the american economy

B: Turning this country into a theocracy

C: Taking away the reproductive rights of women nation nationwide

or

D: Destroying Barack Obama at any cost.

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:46:21pm

re: #55 Sergey Romanov

Unbridled Islamism is hard to control, perhaps that's why.

Pretty much. There's a question of how much this revolution was fueled by a true desire to be free of Col. Mo and how much was just folks tired of being oppressed and/or exterminated for their religious beliefs.

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:46:28pm

re: #18 Sergey Romanov

This is even weirder CT than "nukes are lies".

Enjoy: [Link: osamaobamabidenbinladen.blogspot.com...]

Hooookay...

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:49:53pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And that's not the limit, I'm sure.

69 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:49:55pm

Oh! Think I'll mind my own business and stay out of that thread.

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:51:05pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Oh! Think I'll mind my own business and stay out of that thread.

I think it's good a discussion can be had.

71 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:52:06pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Pop Quiz Kids!

Is the GOP more concerned with:

A: Improving the american economy

B: Turning this country into a theocracy

C: Taking away the reproductive rights of women nation nationwide

or

D: Destroying Barack Obama at any cost.

I will take Senator McConnell at his word and say D.

72 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:52:36pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

I will at least remind everyone that Mitt Romney had the good sense to stay away from the evangelical confab in Iowa.

Why go? They hate him anyway. Being a Mormon, a flip-flopper and the author of Romneycare, which has led to that Great Evil of Western Civilization (i.e., Obamacare) will do that for Mittens.

73 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:54:08pm

re: #72 Lidane

Why go? They hate him anyway. Being a Mormon, a flip-flopper and the author of Romneycare, which has led to that Great Evil of Western Civilization (i.e., Obamacare) will do that for Mittens.

Exactly, giving him props for keeping away is pointless. He wouldn't have gained anything by showing up, just put himself at risk of saying or doing something while speaking in his defense that would have hurt his campaign.

74 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 1:55:01pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Pop Quiz Kids!

Is the GOP more concerned with:

A: Improving the american economy

B: Turning this country into a theocracy

C: Taking away the reproductive rights of women nation nationwide

or

D: Destroying Barack Obama at any cost.

I'll say All of the Above Except A.

They don't give a damn about improving anything. They're just a party of destruction. As long as they've got theirs, fuck you.

75 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:02:03pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

I will at least remind everyone that Mitt Romney had the good sense to stay away from the evangelical confab in Iowa semi-molten core at Fukushima.

Way to lower the bar. Woo hoo, he successfully avoided people who hate him and consider him a member of an apostate cult. Quick, let's give him a profile in courage award.

76 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:04:36pm

OT, but it looks like Subcomandante Bachmann is playing the same hand of idiocy that Louie Gohmert used to get kicked out of Iraq:

Michele Bachmann Says Iraq Should Reimburse U.S. For War Expenses

Because really, demanding that a country pay back their invader for the cost of invading them makes total sense.

///

77 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:05:21pm

Headline over at MSNBC:

"Libya's leader
vows to uphold
Islamic law"


That didn't take long.


(Towercam is on the fritz right now)

78 allegro  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:06:57pm

re: #76 Lidane

OT, but it looks like Subcomandante Bachmann is playing the same hand of idiocy that Louie Gohmert used to get kicked out of Iraq:

Michele Bachmann Says Iraq Should Reimburse U.S. For War Expenses

Because really, demanding that a country pay back their invader for the cost of invading them makes total sense.

///

But...But... FREEDOM!

79 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:07:12pm

re: #76 Lidane

OT, but it looks like Subcomandante Bachmann is playing the same hand of idiocy that Louie Gohmert used to get kicked out of Iraq:

Michele Bachmann Says Iraq Should Reimburse U.S. For War Expenses

Because really, demanding that a country pay back their invader for the cost of invading them makes total sense.

///

Bachmann: Qaddafi ‘May Be’ Still In Power If I Was President

80 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:07:39pm

re: #76 Lidane

OT, but it looks like Subcomandante Bachmann is playing the same hand of idiocy that Louie Gohmert used to get kicked out of Iraq:

Michele Bachmann Says Iraq Should Reimburse U.S. For War Expenses

Because really, demanding that a country pay back their invader for the cost of invading them makes total sense.

///

"Yeah, we blew the shit out of your country, killed over a hundred thousand of your countrymen, and imposed upon you a government that you may very well come to hate when Iran starts influencing it. But that came out of our pockets, so here's the bill. Now, we're willing to negotiate a payment plan, but we expect to be paid in full."

/*rolls eyes*

81 allegro  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:08:17pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann: Qaddafi ‘May Be’ Still In Power If I Was President

...but now that he's gone we can take all of the oil! They owe it to us! Freedom!

82 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:09:03pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Way to lower the bar. Woo hoo, he successfully avoided people who hate him and consider him a member of an apostate cult. Quick, let's give him a profile in courage award.

Seriously. It's like congratulating a Packers fan for not wearing a Cheesehead hat in Chicago.

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:11:44pm

Seriously, the idea that Iraq should pay us for going to war with them is a bit like sending Europe a bill for the Marshall Plan.

84 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:11:52pm

BTW, Obama still has work to do. Posted by one of my FB friends:

Saddam Hussein ☑ - Osama Bin Laden ☑ - Gaddafi ☑ - Bieber ☐ - Snooki ☐

85 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:12:27pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

At least some encouraging news about the Fukushima nuke plants.

86 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:13:09pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seriously, the idea that Iraq should pay us for going to war with them is a bit like sending Europe a bill for the Marshall Plan.

We liberated Europe and saved the world! They owe us!

Why do you hate America?

87 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:14:36pm

Apparently, Turkey has declined all international offers for aid.

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:15:29pm

re: #84 Lidane

BTW, Obama still has work to do. Posted by one of my FB friends:

I'm with your friend on Osama, Daffy, hoping for Bieber and Snookie, but Saddam was offed in '06.

89 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:15:46pm

re: #87 Gus 802

That would include re-bar, not that they appear to have been using much of that anyway.

BBL

90 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:15:48pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Apparently, Turkey has declined all international offers for aid.

Huh, that's definitely interesting. Wonder what the reasoning could be behind such a move.

91 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:16:03pm

re: #76 Lidane

I'm not one to advocate violence, but does anyone have a spare shoe?

92 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:16:34pm

re: #90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Huh, that's definitely interesting. Wonder what the reasoning could be behind such a move.

Don't know. It's not too uncommon.

93 allegro  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:16:45pm

re: #90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Huh, that's definitely interesting. Wonder what the reasoning could be behind such a move.

Strings attached to aid maybe? Or a suspicion of that? Only thing I can think of.

94 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:17:14pm

McConnell: Not My Job To Prevent Firefighter, Police Layoffs

Senate Republicans, joined by three conservative members of the Democratic caucus, defeated that $35 billion package last week, which aimed to hire or retain teachers and emergency responders. And Democrats will surely trumpet their recalcitrance as we head into 2012.

Yet McConnell spun the issue in a different light, telling Crowley that saving emergency responders from unemployment shouldn’t be a federal responsibility because we can’t afford “to be bailing out states.”

No, its obviously much more important to bail out the companies which pay the lobbyists.

95 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:17:30pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Don't know. It's not too uncommon.

Well, I know some countries have refused aid in the past, either from some countries or some charities/organizations. But to just refuse aid, period? That's a bit new to me.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:17:45pm

re: #93 allegro

Strings attached to aid maybe? Or a suspicion of that? Only thing I can think of.

Unless it isn't as big as reported, damage and death wise.

97 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:17:48pm

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm with your friend on Osama, Daffy, hoping for Bieber and Snookie, but Saddam was offed in '06.

True. But the point is, OBL, Daffy, and Saddam are all gone. The only threats to the world that are left are Bieber and Snooki. Job's not done yet. ;)

98 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:18:46pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

McConnell: Not My Job To Prevent Firefighter, Police Layoffs

The party of law and order!

99 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:19:18pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

McConnell: Not My Job To Prevent Firefighter, Police Layoffs

No, its obviously much more important to bail out the companies which pay the lobbyists.

Bailing out the states is apparently only a bad idea when it allows government employees to retain their jobs. When it's towards avoiding raising taxes, the GOP is oddly silent...

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:19:26pm

re: #97 Lidane

True. But the point is, OBL, Daffy, and Saddam are all gone. The only threats to the world that are left are Bieber and Snooki. Job's not done yet. ;)

I can't decide which one brings down people's IQ's faster. No, wait, Snooki.

101 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:21:25pm

OT

Nice tribute to Dan Wheldon in his memorial service going on!

102 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:21:31pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[whispers]
"...Unless we're talkin' privatization..."
-Yertle the Turtle

103 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:21:55pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Unless it isn't as big as reported, damage and death wise.

The area is fairly lightly settled. Alternately the commo might be so torn up that they don't know how hard they've been hit yet.

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:24:04pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

OT

Nice tribute to Dan Wheldon in his memorial service going on!

In St. Pete?

105 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:24:40pm

For reference:

IDF prepares to assist Turkey after earthquake
By YAAKOV LAPPIN AND TOVAH LAZAROFF
10/23/2011 22:31

Prime Minister Netanyahu: “This is what neighbors do”; Ankra rejects all international calls for aid following powerful earthquake...

Reuters reported that Turkey declined offers of assistance from dozens of countries including Israel.

Turkey has not made any international calls for assistance, an official in Ankra said. The IDF, however, said that it was preparing a mission just in case Ankra changed its mind...

106 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:25:34pm

re: #102 OhNoZombies!

[whispers]
"...Unless we're talkin' privatization..."
-Yertle the Turtle

Yertle the Turtle.

Youtube Video
107 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:28:10pm

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

In St. Pete?

No

Coming out of Indianapolis

108 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:29:04pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

No

Coming out of Indianapolis

Live feed...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

109 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:29:39pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

I was working last Sunday when the IndyCar race was going on and I didn't catch it, as well as the news of Wheldon's tragic death, until I got home, sat down and turned on a NHRA race on to relax a bit and Tony Schumacher, driver of a Top Fuel dragster, talked about Wheldon and the tragedy at Las Vegas, and that prompted me to look online and saw the news of his death. Just very, very unfortunate.

And now, this morning US time, motorsports lost another competitor as Marco Simoncelli was killed during the MotoGP motorcycle race at Sepang International Circuit in Malaysia. Just a bad week for motorsports all together.

110 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:29:41pm

That's a live feed.

111 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:29:46pm

re: #108 Gus 802

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Yup

i'm feeding it via fiber to CNN (as well as putting it up on satellite)

112 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:30:22pm

Which apparently just ended.

113 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:31:01pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

Yup

i'm feeding it via fiber to CNN (as well as putting it up on satellite)

You broke it!

//

114 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:31:09pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

No

Coming out of Indianapolis

This was yesterday. I think they held some private stuff today.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

115 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:31:25pm

re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
Love the Peppers!

116 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:31:28pm

re: #112 Gus 802

Which apparently just ended.

Yes,, meant to post that earlier but was busy with NFL

The tribute started at about 3 p.m Eastern

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:32:42pm

At this point in time, you could build a time machine and send these people back in time to watch Obama emerge from his mother's birth canal, in Hawaii, on the day specified, and they still wouldn't believe it.

Not, mind you, that Mrs. Obama should have been subjected to such indignity, just saying.

118 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:34:34pm

Man Oh Man Does Rick Perry Love Guns

“It was a long love affair with a boy and his gun, that turned into a man and his gun, that turned into a man and his son and his daugher and their guns,” an orange-and-khaki-clad Perry said.

119 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:34:37pm

re: #117 EmmmieG

At this point in time, you could build a time machine and send these people back in time to watch Obama emerge from his mother's birth canal, in Hawaii, on the day specified, and they still wouldn't believe it.

Not, mind you, that Mrs. Obama should have been subjected to such indignity, just saying.

That's an advantage of monarchy--when you know the kid is going to be king, you can square that stuff away.

120 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:34:56pm

re: #117 EmmmieG

It's not about his birth. It never has been.

It's about the fact that a black man with an African name and the middle name Hussein beat the old white guy to become POTUS.

121 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:37:11pm

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man Oh Man Does Rick Perry Love Guns

Ah, Rick Perry, pandering like no man has pandered before. Is there no Republican demographic whose asscheeks he hasn't welded his lips to yet?

122 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:37:36pm

Looks like Brad might not be launching much of a defense of his Jewish Lobby conspiracy theory about antisemitism at OWS.

123 Kragar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:38:01pm

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, Rick Perry, pandering like no man has pandered before. Is there no Republican demographic whose asscheeks he hasn't welded his lips to yet?

Gay Republicans.

124 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:40:22pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gay Republicans.

No such beast. I mean, how can someone be gay and Republican? You can't be Christian and engage in such a sinful lifestyle! Stop making up shit!

///

125 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:40:47pm

Man. This is the second guy from the St. Louis Rams to be injured on the field. The first guy got taken off in a cart with paramedics. Who knows what will happen here.

126 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:42:50pm

re: #125 Lidane

Man. This is the second guy from the St. Louis Rams to be injured on the field. The first guy got taken off in a cart with paramedics. Who knows what will happen here.

Bucs started a back up center and back up RB and both got hurt (and out of the game). Then 2 defensive starters went out. Baa!!!!

127 diamonda2u  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:42:58pm

re: #1 mr.fusion

Let's hope so. He's almost as good as Obama debating "the Sarah" or "the Michelle"

128 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:43:30pm

re: #125 Lidane

Man. This is the second guy from the St. Louis Rams to be injured on the field. The first guy got taken off in a cart with paramedics. Who knows what will happen here.

,, ummm,, someone will come off the bench, replace the injured player(s), and the game will continue!!

(what do I win for the correct answer?)

129 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:44:08pm

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bucs started a back up center and back up RB and both got hurt (and out of the game). Then 2 defensive starters went out. Baa!!!

At some point, football is going to go the way of The Jetsons, where it was played by robots. It's crazy how dangerous the game is now.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:44:13pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

,, ummm,, someone will come off the bench, replace the injured player(s), and the game will continue!!

(what do I win for the correct answer?)

A nice warm glass of "shut the hell up".
/

131 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:45:20pm

re: #129 Lidane

At some point, football is going to go the way of The Jetsons, where it was played by robots. It's crazy how dangerous the game is now.

IIRC, there were less injuries when guys had no pads and wore leather helmets.

132 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:45:58pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

Nah. They'll go into the half, since there are only nine seconds left in the 2nd.

Still, two guys getting waylaid like that is just crazy. Two guys driven off in a paramedic cart before the half? Ouch.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:46:17pm

re: #105 Gus 802

OK, then it's a bad way that this has been spun as "Turkey refuses Israel aid" in certain outlets.

134 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:47:02pm

re: #133 Sergey Romanov

OK, then it's a bad way that this has been spun as "Turkey refuses Israel aid" in certain outlets.

Perzactly.

135 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:47:13pm

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man Oh Man Does Rick Perry Love Guns

Rick leaned down slowly and brushed Anita's bare stomach with his fingertips. It felt good. Like a gun. A soft, but sturdy gun that felt warm to the touch. In Rick's mind, he suddenly felt like he was surrounded by guns. They were all around him, flopping all around and slapping his face. It was as if he were in a redwood forest of guns. They presented themselves, tall and mighty, all around him.

136 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:47:37pm

re: #129 Lidane

At some point, football is going to go the way of The Jetsons, where it was played by robots. It's crazy how dangerous the game is now.

I doubt it. We need our bloodsports, even if the blood is hidden behind padding. We'll no sooner do away with humans in footballs than we will in motor racing. People aren't watching for the "sport" of it, they're watching people get the shit kicked out of them legally.

137 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:51:08pm

Marco Simoncelli died on the same day as Wheldon. GP motorsport.

Image: marco-simoncelli.jpg

138 diamonda2u  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:52:59pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Iran was quite a secular country with cosmopolitan cities once upon a time.

There were quite a few "secular" places or at least western tolerant in the middle east prior to the US intervening because we didn't like who the people elected (IRAN is case in point numero uno). We backed the tyrants/shaws/dictators that were overthrown by the aggrieved citizens but were totally unprepared by what our meddling would bring in its place.

139 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:54:44pm

re: #137 Gus 802

Marco Simoncelli died on the same day as Wheldon. GP motorsport.

Image: marco-simoncelli.jpg

No wait. That happened today.

140 Lidane  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:55:57pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

People aren't watching for the "sport" of it, they're watching people get the shit kicked out of them legally.

That's what the UFC is for, and I say that as a fan. I don't know. The NFL just seems so dangerous to me now. It's just nuts.

On a different note, congrats to the New Zealand All Blacks for winning the rugby World Cup. After everything they've gone through this year with the earthquakes and other disasters, the Kiwis deserve a win. :D

141 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 2:59:30pm

Best run on the Bears / Bucs game played in London was a fan running on the field shirtless

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:01:04pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

Best run on the Bears / Bucs game played in London was a fan running on the field shirtless

Shuddup. Forte did have a 32 yard TD.

143 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:01:45pm

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

Shuddup. Forte did have a 32 yard TD.

Nahh ,, this guy ran for at least 50 (albeit, mostly in a circle!)

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:02:31pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

Nahh ,, this guy ran for at least 50 (albeit, mostly in a circle!)

Yards or meters? Not the same, you know.

145 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:02:48pm

re: #140 Lidane

That's what the UFC is for, and I say that as a fan. I don't know. The NFL just seems so dangerous to me now. It's just nuts.

On a different note, congrats to the New Zealand All Blacks for winning the rugby World Cup. After everything they've gone through this year with the earthquakes and other disasters, the Kiwis deserve a win. :D

*shrugs* I'll be honest, I like to watch sports with other folks, if more for the social interaction than the game itself. But when by myself, I just don't see the appeal.

146 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:03:58pm

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yards or meters? Not the same, you know.

Yards

After he had a couple of meters worth of beer!

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:05:43pm

re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*shrugs* I'll be honest, I like to watch sports with other folks, if more for the social interaction than the game itself. But when by myself, I just don't see the appeal.

I can watch my teams on TV or listen to them on the radio. Love it. Even hockey on the radio is awesome.

148 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:09:34pm

re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can watch my teams on TV or listen to them on the radio. Love it. Even hockey on the radio is awesome.

memories

Sneaking awake late at night as a kid with my transistor radio listening to either the Red Sox or the Celtics when they were playing on the west coast!
If it was the Sox, and they were ahead, I would have a countdown to how many outs they needed for the win

149 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:09:47pm

re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can watch my teams on TV or listen to them on the radio. Love it. Even hockey on the radio is awesome.

This is our guy calling hockey. Listen to the last 4 seconds....Not so fast, horn man!!

Youtube Video
150 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:11:18pm

re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is our guy calling hockey. Listen to the last 4 seconds...Not so fast, horn man!!

[Video]

Sounds like the guy sitting next to him must be grabbing Daves pucks!!!

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:11:26pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

I would LOVE to build a baseball field in my back yard and get some 1930's-40's radio broadcast of games and just sit and listen....

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:12:01pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Sounds like the guy sitting next to him must be grabbing Daves pucks!!!

Guy sitting next to him is Phil Espisito.

153 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:12:08pm

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would LOVE to build a baseball field in my back yard and get some 1930's-40's radio broadcast of games and just sit and listen...

HEY ,, I'm old ,, but not THAT old!!

(50's and 60's!!! )

154 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:13:00pm

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

Guy sitting next to him is Phil Espisito.

Popular bumper sticker back when Espo was with the Bruins


GOD SAVES
and ESPO scores on the rebound

155 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:16:39pm

re: #154 sattv4u2

Popular bumper sticker back when Espo was with the Bruins

GOD SAVES
and ESPO scores on the rebound

Espo was trying to explain to Dave once about playing on the road:
"Dave, ya know when you go out and get really drunk and the next day you feel OK, but the day after that you feel like crap"...good stuff.

156 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:16:41pm

That PARADE interview reads like a Voight-Kampff test.

Youtube Video
157 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:24:24pm

Oh brother.

CNN: Atheists die first

Youtube Video

"If you don't believe in something supernatural, how can you imagine that you yourself have supernatural abilities enough to survive." -- Wendy Walsh

And she's a psychologist? Stupid CNN. They're sometimes as bad as Fox News.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:25:46pm

re: #157 Gus 802

@#%#$^#$%@^&&, Wendy.

159 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:26:35pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Oh brother.

CNN: Atheists die first

[Video]And she's a psychologist? Stupid CNN. They're sometimes as bad as Fox News.

I'll add this since I'm fair and balanced.

Atheist comment controversy

In March 2011 Walsh stated on CNN, "Most studies on survivors show that the atheists die first because if you don't believe in something supernatural, how can you imagine that you yourself have supernatural abilities enough to survive?"[8] This comment elicited strong criticism from the atheist community.

Walsh later clarified that she meant survivorship in medical situations rather than situations involving imminent danger, stating "I don’t believe in magic, nor do I think that God is this giant cop in the sky or ground control for our lives."

Right now I'm thinking about Mark Twain, opinions, and assholes. ;)

160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:27:35pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Oh brother.

CNN: Atheists die first

[Video]And she's a psychologist? Stupid CNN. They're sometimes as bad as Fox News.

The last couple of sentences from her and the host sound like a Tom Tomorrow cartoon.

MONGO THINK FIGHTING RELIGIONS NOT GOOD
MONGO AGREE. MONGO THINK HAVING FAITH DIFFERENT THAN GO CHURCH

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:27:54pm

re: #157 Gus 802

So, will you leave me your beer mugs in your will? Just asking, heathen.
///

162 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:28:01pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

@#%#$^#$%@^&&, Wendy.

What do you have against her??

Image: Wendys-restaurant-french-fries-review.jpg
/

163 kirkspencer  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:28:36pm

re: #159 Gus 802

I wish people would develop a reflex to "most studies".

Ask "Can you cite some for me?" (Then double-check them.)

164 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:28:58pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Oh brother.

CNN: Atheists die first

[Video]And she's a psychologist? Stupid CNN. They're sometimes as bad as Fox News.

re: #157 Gus 802

Those would be interesting studies to read actually...

Assuming causes is really bad science btw.

165 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:29:12pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

Thanks for talking to Brad. I can't seem to be bothered but he does illustrate the left's problem with antisemitism. He doesn't even understand why Norman Finklestein is an antisemitic loon. I'm afraid it's a lost cause.

166 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:29:53pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

If you can be bothered to complain about him, you might be able to be bothered to talk to him directly.

(Seriously, can't be bothered?!? That's some highschool shit right there)

167 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:31:35pm

re: #160 Sergey Romanov

The last couple of sentences from her and the host sound like a Tom Tomorrow cartoon.

MONGO THINK FIGHTING RELIGIONS NOT GOOD
MONGO AGREE. MONGO THINK HAVING FAITH DIFFERENT THAN GO CHURCH

Ah. Here we go. Everything you need to know about atheists is right here...

[Link: creationwiki.org...]

//

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:32:11pm

re: #167 Gus 802

And conservapedia.

169 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:32:20pm

re: #166 windsagio

If you can be bothered to complain about him, you might be able to be bothered to talk to him directly.

Why would he "be bothered" to talk to someone he sees as a lost cause?

Right or wrong, knowing that, I'm sure the "talk" wouldn't be productive

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:33:10pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

Why would he "be bothered" to talk to someone he sees as a lost cause?

Right or wrong, knowing that, I'm sure the "talk" wouldn't be productive

I still talk to you.
/

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:33:27pm

re: #167 Gus 802

"...and proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief..."

Shouldn't that be "suspension of belief"? LOL.

172 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:33:46pm

re: #168 Sergey Romanov

And conservapedia.

Your wish is my command!

[Link: conservapedia.com...]

173 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:34:36pm

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

I still talk to you.
/

You only think you do!

You're actually just annoying me

174 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:34:50pm

re: #172 Gus 802

Your wish is my command!

[Link: conservapedia.com...]

Bring me some beer too./

175 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:35:01pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

my point is, if thats the case don't say anything.

It's a man up or shut up thing.

176 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:35:27pm

re: #166 windsagio

If you can be bothered to complain about him, you might be able to be bothered to talk to him directly.

(Seriously, can't be bothered?!? That's some highschool shit right there)

Because it's pointless. Like debating antisemitism with David Duke or racial sensitivity with RS McCain. It's a complete waste of time.

177 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:35:48pm

re: #175 windsagio

my point is, if thats the case don't say anything.

It's a man up or shut up thing.

Then how would you know that "thats the case"??

178 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:37:01pm

More brain dead wingnut fun on atheism.

The atheist agenda refers to an extensive ideology and programme, common to avowed atheists.

“Atheism has long ceased to be a rare and oft-ignored philosophical outlook...It has transformed itself into an active political programme with clear objectives which, though they vary from state to state, unequivocally include the elimination of state religion, religious education, and the enshrinement of scientism. - Gordon Stein[1] ”

It involves the following objectives:

1. Removing Creation Science from curricula and outlawing its teaching in schools
2. Outlawing personal religion in schools under the guise of "separation of church and state"
3. Indoctrinating atheistic and evolutionary ideology through the education system, and thus the public at large
4. Undermining Christianity and other organized religion through widespread misinformation and deceit

Or my favorite from the same link:

Adolf Hitler employed many atheism-promoting tactics that would later be adopted by modern Western atheists.

Really? Seriously?

179 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:37:10pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

So he's like the Klan?

Classy.

180 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:37:33pm

re: #177 sattv4u2

I took your word for it Satt :D

181 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:38:34pm

re: #179 windsagio

So he's like the Klan?

Classy.

Norman Finkelstein david duke
Yes.

182 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:38:42pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Because it's pointless. Like debating antisemitism with David Duke or racial sensitivity with RS McCain. It's a complete waste of time.

Extreme comparisons.

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:39:47pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

I think windy means Brad, and I agree that this is not a correct comparison when made about him.

184 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:40:00pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

So Brad Friedman = Norman Finkelstein then?

At this point you're at association of association of association.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:41:50pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Really? Seriously?

Yeah. Like banning all atheist societies when he came to power.

186 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:42:55pm

re: #180 windsagio

I took your word for it Satt :D

why start now?

187 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:44:07pm

re: #186 sattv4u2

Because I"m secretly in love with you :(

I've denied the stirrings of my heart much too long!

188 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:44:29pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Norman Finkelstein david duke
Yes.

Uh oh! Looks like he's bundled in with atheists too.

Google Norman Finkelstein atheists.

//

189 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:44:57pm

re: #187 windsagio

Because I"m secretly in love with you :(

I've denied the stirrings of my heart much too long!

Thats just gas

Don't blame me for your diet

190 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:45:16pm

Satt's fingers, temporarily paralyzed.

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:45:17pm

re: #178 Gus 802

That plan reads like something written in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Atheism.

192 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:45:34pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Those first 2 results together are hilarious btw.

"I'm not an atheist"

"As a stalwart atheist, I...."

193 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:45:40pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea

Satt's fingers, temporarily paralyzed.

or not

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

194 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:46:46pm

re: #193 sattv4u2

or not

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I underestimated you. sorry!

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:47:17pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Uh oh! Looks like he's bundled in with atheists too.

Google Norman Finkelstein atheists.

//

Norman is an absolutely lost case by now (and I've been looking at his site for years - I swear he wasn't that ugly, going about "Jewish Nazis" and defending Hezbollah), which doesn't mean that all those who find good points in his books are antisemites. But they better wise up pretty soon.

196 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:47:30pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

I underestimated you. sorry!

n/p

At work, so sometimes it takes a moment because I'm ,, well,, AT WORK!!!

197 windsagio  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:49:01pm

re: #195 Sergey Romanov

I admit I know absolutely nothing about some guy.

Still, folks can be right about some things and wrong about others... its not binary at all.

(reacting to 'find good points in his books')

198 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:49:02pm

re: #195 Sergey Romanov

Norman is an absolutely lost case by now (and I've been looking at his site for years - I swear he wasn't that ugly, going about "Jewish Nazis" and defending Hezbollah), which doesn't mean that all those who find good points in his books are antisemites. But they better wise up pretty soon.

Yeah. Myself, I can't stand Finkelstein. He's just bonkers and rather creepy.

199 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:49:22pm

re: #196 sattv4u2

n/p

At work, so sometimes it takes a moment because I'm ,, well,, AT WORK!!!

you still have time for the extra ,,,

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:49:30pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

Thats just gas

Don't blame me for your diet

Youtube Video

Once I had a love and it was a gas, soon turned out
Had a heart of glass.
Seemed like the real thing, only to find
Mucho mistrust.
Love's gone behind.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:52:54pm

re: #197 windsagio

I admit I know absolutely nothing about some guy.

Still, folks can be right about some things and wrong about others... its not binary at all.

(reacting to 'find good points in his books')

Well, yeah, just as I don't think that anybody who posts a link to "Israel National News" is a Kahane-loving, ethnic-cleansing-endorsing neofascist, I don't presume that anyone mentioning Finky positively is a Hezbollah-loving Jew-hating neo-fascist.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:53:15pm

re: #201 Sergey Romanov

But the bias is there.

203 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:55:58pm

re: #183 Sergey Romanov

I wish he had seen my offer to talk before he left. Or maybe he ignored the request, but no further comments. In pages, can't see who's still in.

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:56:28pm

re: #203 Rightwingconspirator

I wish he had seen my offer to talk before he left. Or maybe he ignored the request, but no further comments. In pages, can't see who's still in.

He just left a comment, wait for it.

205 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:00:30pm

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

He just left a comment, wait for it.

Saw that thanks. Now I'm mutli threading. Better put up Spy.

206 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:02:35pm

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

Hey, I left you one of my big, long answers to your questions the other day, but you never came back! All that typing for naught... *sniffle*

207 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:05:15pm

THE RELIGION OF THE ATHEIST- FINKELSTEIN STYLE

Youtube Video

A lot of generalizing going on here. He's using Finkelstein as a vehicle to criticize another group of people: atheists, secular scientists, etc. When in fact I think he's correct regarding the archaeological and historical aspects of Israel.

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:05:18pm

re: #206 CuriousLurker

Hey, I left you one of my big, long answers to your questions the other day, but you never came back! All that typing for naught... *sniffle*

That's an excellent comment, CL! Clears up some things. Thanks!

{{Aminah}}

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:08:30pm

re: #207 Gus 802

It's not Norman Finkelstein.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He is a bona fide researcher, if a controversial one.

210 Gus  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:14:40pm

re: #209 Sergey Romanov

It's not Norman Finkelstein.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He is a bona fide researcher, if a controversial one.

Oops. Thanks.

211 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:15:01pm

re: #208 Sergey Romanov

Back atcha {{Sergey}} ;o)

212 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:17:09pm

re: #203 Rightwingconspirator

I wish he had seen my offer to talk before he left. Or maybe he ignored the request, but no further comments. In pages, can't see who's still in.

he responded

213 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:19:14pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

Hey, you! *waves*

Okay, you can go back to whatever you were doing now. I'm supposed to be working on a web site.

214 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:20:44pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

Hey, you! *waves*

Okay, you can go back to whatever you were doing now. I'm supposed to be working on a web site.

Hey CL! I've been having really really slow internet. Not used to it and am pissed. I've mostly been in lurk mode, but that's fine. I still read all the great comments.

Today my task was laundry. Done. Now I'm kinda bored!

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:24:35pm

Obdi is great on the Brad thread.

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:29:02pm

re: #207 Gus 802

THE RELIGION OF THE ATHEIST- FINKELSTEIN STYLE

[Video]A lot of generalizing going on here. He's using Finkelstein as a vehicle to criticize another group of people: atheists, secular scientists, etc. When in fact I think he's correct regarding the archaeological and historical aspects of Israel.

Gus, clickie here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

217 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:36:19pm

Some moderately good news - the Swiss ultra-rightists lost several seats in Parliament.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:37:45pm

Meanwhile tens of thousands of Hungarians filled the streets of Budapest in anti-govt demonstrations. Good for them. Conservatives fucked up things, as usual.

219 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:43:01pm

re: #215 Sergey Romanov

Obdi is great on the Brad thread.

Heh, I was watching him and imagining a boxing ring where he comes trotting in wearing violet colored trunks (like his avatar) and wearing a violet satin robe with a green dragon embroidered on the back:

Emcee: Annnnd in this corner, the reigning LGF heavyweight champ, Obicut!

[The Lizards in the audience stand up in their seats and cheer wildly. They're holding bags of something...when anyone boos, they start hissing and open their bags and—look!—they pull out handfuls of little red tiles with minus symbols on them and start throwing them at the boo-ers.]

Bell rings: *DING, DING, DING*

[The Lizards glare at boo-ers, flip them off for good measure, and then sit back down with their popcorn & beverage of choice. Obidcut moves in with steady determination and starts swinging.]

I hope Brad realizes that he may have to go a full 15 rounds or more...

// Sorry, my overactive imagination kicked in again, heh.

220 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 4:44:32pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Wait, didn't I say I was supposed to be working on a web page? Sheesh, okay, I'll get back to work. You guys get to have ALL the fun.

221 labman57  Sun, Oct 23, 2011 6:24:00pm

That which we call a birther, by any other name, would still be an irrational, TFH-wearing bigot living in a state of denial.

Every time a birther is shown a web link to, or hard copy of Obama's official birth certificate (you know, the one that is recognized by the federal government when applying for a passport) -- long form, short form, … take your pick, they pull the equivalent of a 9-year old covering his ears and shouting "nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!"

You can lead right wingers to the truth, but you cannot make them embrace it.

You have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot "let go". Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: "I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because.... (fill in the blank)."

Just about ANY reason will do -- any excuse that will legitimize their bigotry-based outrage. If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)

In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians (enter Mr. Perry), wannabe politicians (hello, Mr. Trump) and bellicose pundits who, although not necessarily racists themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.


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