Sen. Whitehouse’s Must-See Climate Speech: We Ignore the Laws of Nature at Our Very Grave Peril

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Here’s an extraordinary speech on climate change and the insanely dangerous behavior of the right wing, by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), via Joe Romm.

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Mr. President, I am here to speak about what is currently an unpopular topic in this town. It has become no longer politically correct in certain circles in Washington to speak about climate change or carbon pollution or how carbon pollution is causing our climate to change.

This is a peculiar condition of Washington. If you go out into, say, our military and intelligence communities, they understand and are planning for the effects of carbon pollution on climate change. They see it as a national security risk. If you go out into our nonpolluting business and financial communities, they see this as a real and important problem. And, of course, it goes without saying our scientific community is all over this concern. But as I said, Washington is a peculiar place, and here it is getting very little traction.

Here in Washington we feel the dark hand of the polluters tapping so many shoulders. And where there is power and money behind that dark hand, therefore, a lot of attention is paid to that little tap on the shoulder. What we overlook is that nature — God’s Earth — is also tapping us all on the shoulder, with messages we ignore at our peril. We ignore the messages of nature of God’s Earthand we ignore the laws of nature of God’s Earth at our very grave peril.

There is a wave of very justifiable economic frustration that has swept through our Capitol. The problem is that some of the special interests — the polluters — have insinuated themselves into that wave, sort of like parasites that creep into the body of a host animal, and from there they are working terrible mischief. They are propagating two big lies. One is that environmental regulations are a burden to the economy and we need to lift those burdens to spur our economic recovery. The second is the jury is still out on climate changes caused by carbon pollution, so we don’t need to worry about it or even take precautions. Both are, frankly, outright false.

Environmental regulation is well established to be good for the economy. It may add costs to you if you are a polluter, but polluters usually exaggerate about that.

For instance, before the 1990 acid rain rules went into effect, Peabody Coal estimated that compliance would cost $3.9 billion. The Edison Electric Institute chimed in and estimated that compliance would cost $4 to $5 billion. Well, in fact, the Energy Information Administration calculated the program actually cost $836 million, about one-sixth of the Edison Electric Institute estimate.

When polluters were required to phase out the chemicals they were emitting that were literally burning a hole through our Earth’s atmosphere, they warned that it would create ‘severe economic and social disruption’ due to ‘shutdowns of refrigeration equipment in supermarkets, office buildings, hotels, and hospitals.’ Well, in fact, the phaseout happened 4 years to 6 years faster than predicted; it cost 30 percent less than predicted; and the American refrigeration industry innovated and created new export markets for its environmentally friendly products.

Anyway, the real point is we are not just in this Chamber to represent the polluters. We are supposed to be here to represent all Americans, and Americans benefit from environmental regulation big time.

Over the lifetime of the Clean Air Act, for instance, for every $1 it costs to add pollution controls, Americans have received about $30 in health and other benefits. By the way, installing those pollution controls created jobs because they went to manufacturers to build the controls and to Americans to install them. But setting that aside, a 30-to-1 benefit ratio to keep our air clean sounds like a mighty wise investment to me. That 30-to-1 ratio doesn’t even count the intangible benefits — intangible but very real benefits — of clear air and clean water, the benefits of the heart and the soul, the benefits to a grandfather of taking his granddaughter to the fishing hole and still finding fish there or of the city kid being able to go to a beach and have it clean enough to swim there or the benefit to a mom who is spared the burden of worry, of sitting next to her asthmatic baby on the emergency room albuterol inhaler waiting for his infant lungs to clear.

Well, unfortunately, polluters rule in certain circles in Washington, and they emit propaganda as well as pollution, and they have been emitting too much of both lately.

Their other big lie the jury is still out on is whether human-made carbon pollution causes dangerous climate change and oceanic change. Virtually all of our most prestigious scientific and academic institutions have stated that climate change is happening and that human activities are the driving cause of this change. Many of us in Congress received a letter from those institutions in October 2009. Let me quote from that letter.

Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science.

Let me repeat that last quote.

Contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science.

This letter was signed by the heads of the following organizations: the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Institute of Biological Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Society of Agronomy, the American Society of Plant Biologists, the American Statistical Association, the Association of Ecosystem Research Centers, the Botanical Society of America, the Crop Science Society of America, the Ecological Society of America, the Natural Science Collections Alliance, the Organization of Biological Field Stations, the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, the Society of Systematic Biologists, the Soil Science Society of America, and the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.

These are highly esteemed scientific organizations. They are the real deal. They don’t think the jury is still out. They recognize that, in fact, the verdict is in, and it is time to act.

More than 97 percent of the climate scientists most actively publishing accept that the verdict is actually in on carbon pollution causing climate and oceanic changes — 97 percent. Think of that.

Imagine if your child were sick and the doctor said she needed treatment, and out of prudence you went and got a second opinion. Then you went around and you actually got 99 second opinions. When you were done, you found that 97 out of 100 expert doctors agreed your child was sick and needed treatment. Imagine further that of the three who disagreed, some took money from the insurance company that would have to pay for your child’s treatment. Imagine further that none of those three could say they were sure your child was OK, just that they weren’t sure what her illness was or that she needed treatment, that there was some doubt.

On those facts, name one decent father or mother who wouldn’t start treatment for their child. No decent parent would turn away from the considered judgment of 97 percent of 100 doctors just because they weren’t all absolutely certain.

How solid is the science behind this? Rock solid. The fact that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere absorbs heat from the Sun was discovered at the time of the Civil War. This is not new stuff. In 1863 the Irish scientist John Tyndall determined that carbon dioxide and water vapor trapped more heat in the atmosphere as their concentrations increased. A 1955 textbook, ‘Our Astonishing Atmosphere,’ notes that nearly a century ago the scientist, John Tyndall, suggested that a fall in the atmospheric carbon dioxide could allow the Earth to cool, whereas a rise in carbon dioxide would make it warmer.

In the early 1900s, a century ago, it became clear that changes in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere might account for significant increases and decreases in the Earth’s average annual temperatures and that carbon dioxide released from manmade sources, anthropogenic sources — primarily by the burning of coal — would contribute to those atmospheric changes. This is not new stuff. These are well-established scientific principles.

Let me look for a moment at the book I talked about, ‘Our Astonishing Atmosphere,’ published in 1955 — the year I was born, more than half a century ago — for the ‘Science for Every Man Series.’ Let me read:

Although the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere remains at a concentration of 0.03 percent all over the world, the amount in the air has not always been the same. There have been periods in the world’s history when the air became charged with more carbon dioxide than it now carries. There have also been periods when the concentration has fallen unusually low. The effects of these changes have been profound. They are believed to have influenced the climate of the earth by controlling the amount of energy that is lost by the earth into space. Nearly a century ago, the British scientist John Tyndall suggested that a fall in the atmospheric carbon dioxide could allow the earth to cool whereas a rise in the carbon dioxide would make it warmer. With the help of its carbon dioxide, the atmosphere acts like a greenhouse that traps the heat of the sun. Radiations reaching the atmosphere as sunshine can penetrate to the surface of the earth. Here, they are absorbed, providing the world with warmth. But the earth itself radiating energy outwards in the form of long-wave heat rays. If these could penetrate the air as the sunshine does, they could carry off much of the heat provided by the sun. Carbon dioxide in the air helps to stop the escape of heat radiations. It acts like a blanket to keep the world warm. And the more carbon dioxide the air contains, the more efficiently does it smother the escape of the earth’s heat. Fluctuation in the carbon dioxide of the air has helped to bring about major climate changes experienced by the world in the past.

This is 1955. This is ‘Our Astonishing Atmosphere,’ out of the ‘Science for Every Man Series.’ This is not something that was just invented.

Let’s look at the facts that we actually observe in our changing planet. Over the last 800,000 years — 8,000 centuries — until very recently the atmosphere has stayed within a bandwidth of between 170 parts per million and 300 parts per million of carbon dioxide. That is not theory, that is measurement. Scientists measure historic carbon dioxide concentrations by, for example, locating trapped bubbles in the ice of ancient glaciers. So we know, over time — and over long periods of time — what the range has been.

What else do we know? We know since the industrial revolution, we — humankind — have been burning carbon-rich fuels in measurable and ever-increasing amounts. We know we release up to 7 to 8 gigatons of carbon dioxide each year. A gigaton, by the way, is 1 billion metric tons. So if you are going to release 7 to 8 billion metric tons a year into the atmosphere, predictably that increases carbon concentration in our atmosphere. ‘Put more in and find more there’ is not a complex scientific theory. It is not a difficult proposition. And 7 to 8 billion metric tons a year into the atmosphere is a very big thing in the historical sweep.

So we now measure carbon concentrations climbing in the Earth’s atmosphere. Again, this is a measurement, not a theory. The present concentration exceeds 390 parts per million.

So 800,000 years and a bandwidth of 170 to 300 parts per million, and now we are over 390.

This increase has a trajectory. Plotting trajectories is nothing new either. It is something scientists, businesspeople, and our military service people do every day. The trajectory for our carbon pollution predicts that 688 parts per million will be in the atmosphere in the year 2095 and 1,097 parts per million in the year 2195. These are carbon concentrations not outside of the bounds of 800,000 years but outside of the bounds of millions of years. As Tyndall determined at the time of the Civil War, increasing carbon concentrations will absorb more of the Sun’s heat and raise global temperatures.

Let me end by reviewing the scale of the peril that we are facing if we fail to act. Over the last 800,000 years, as I said, it has been 170 to 300 parts per million of carbon dioxide. Since the start of the industrial revolution, that concentration is now up to 390 parts per million. If we continue on the trajectory that we find ourselves, our grandchildren will see carbon concentrations in the atmosphere top 700 parts per million by the end of the century, twice the bandwidth top that we have lived in for 8,000 centuries.

To put that in perspective, mankind has engaged in agriculture for about 10,000 years. It is not clear we had yet mastered fire 800,000 years ago. The entire development of human civilization has taken place in that 800,000 years, and within that 170 to 300 parts per million bandwidth. If we go back, we are back into geologic time.

In April of this year, a group of scientific experts came together at the University of Oxford to discuss the current state of our oceans. The workshop report stated:

Human actions have resulted in warming and acidification of the oceans and are now causing increasing hypoxia.

Acidification is obvious — the ocean is becoming more acid; hypoxia means low oxygen levels.

Studies of the Earth’s past indicate that these are the three symptoms … associated with each of the previous five mass extinctions on Earth.

We experienced two mass ocean extinctions 55 and 251 million years ago. The rates of carbon entering the atmosphere in the lead-up to these extinctions are estimated to have been 2.2 and 1 to 2 gigatons of carbon per year respectively, over several thousand years. As the group of Oxford scientists noted:

Both these estimates are dwarfed in comparison to today’s emissions.

As I said earlier, those are 7 to 8 gigatons per year. The workshop participants concluded with this quote:

Unless action is taken now, the consequences of our activities are at a high risk of causing, through the combined effects of climate change, overexploitation, pollution and habitat loss, the next globally significant extinction event in the ocean.

The laws of physics and the laws of chemistry and the laws of science, these are laws of nature. These are laws of God’s Earth. We can repeal some laws around here but we can’t repeal those. Senators are used to our opinions mattering a lot around here, but these laws are not affected by our opinions. These laws do not care who peddles influence, how many lobbyists you have or how big your corporate bankroll is. Those considerations, so important in this town, do not matter at all to the laws of nature.

As regards these laws of nature, because we can neither repeal nor influence them, we bear a duty, a duty of stewardship to see and respond to the facts that are before our faces according to nature’s laws. We bear a duty to shun the siren song of well-paying polluters. We bear a duty to make the right decisions for our children and grandchildren and for our God-given Earth.

Right now I must come before the Chamber and remind this body that we are failing in that duty. The men and women in this Chamber are indeed catastrophically failing in that duty. We are earning the scorn and condemnation of history — not this week, perhaps, and not next week. The spin doctors can see to that. But ultimately and assuredly, the harsh judgment that it is history’s power to inflict on wrong will fall upon us. The Supreme Being who gave us this Earth and its abundance created a world not just of abundance but of consequence and that Supreme Being gave us reason to allow us to plan for and foresee the various consequences that those laws of nature impose.

There is no wizard’s hat and wand with which to wish this away. These laws of nature are known; the Earth’s message to us is clear; our failure is blameworthy; its consequences are profound; and the costs will be very high.

Thank you, Senator Whitehouse. If only your colleagues could have even 1/100th of your backbone and integrity.

UPDATE: I think it would be nice if he could get direct messages of appreciation from voters for doing the right thing. Here’s his contact info:

Providence Office:
170 Westminster Street
Suite 1100
Providence, RI 0290

Washington Office:
Hart Senate Office Building
Room 717
Washington, D.C. 2051

Official website contact form

If nothing else, you’ll help balance out what I’m sure must be obscenities, death threats and so on from nasty Teabag types…the billionaire Koch Bros. have likely put a huge target on his head.

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159 comments
1 jaunte  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:43:50am

“…we are not just in this Chamber to represent the polluters. We are supposed to be here to represent all Americans, and Americans benefit from environmental regulation big time.”

Can’s be stated often enough.

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:49:22am

This is a wonderful post!

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:55:04am

This needs to be on a front page!

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:03:07am

Speeches like this, with a strong dose of truth and clarity give me some portion of hope that all is not lost. Whitehouse has shown some courage. Thank G-d.

5 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:04:23am

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Agreed. I hope this gets promoted.

6 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:05:19am

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

Agreed. I hope this gets promoted.

Please recommend it to Charles.

7 nines09  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:44:51am

GOP/TP response; “Tree hugging liberal socialist anti business Marxist. There are hundreds of right wing funded studies debunking climate change. This is just more big government intrusion into lives of robber barons simple citizens trying to live without back breaking regulations.”
A voice in the wilderness. This may be a little OT, but I have always had a problem with folks who go to services one day a week and spend the other six pissing on everything and everybody irregardless of the true cost.
About time someone in the Senate actually said something wise.

8 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 12:29:27pm

And his name is Whitehouse. Somebody get this man to run for President.

9 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 1:50:14pm

How does this keep gays from getting married and force women to carry dangerous and unwanted pregnancies to term?

10 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 1:50:53pm

I just called his office and told him he had my support. This is one of the most intelligent things I’ve seen from a Senator.

And his parasites analogy is spot on. Nature— and therefore, all of us— are bearing the costs of their pollution. The true pollution costs of products need to eventually be factored into the price.

We need sustainability. This is an absolute truth. There is no magic in this world, we’re never gong to have an unedning supply of anything. We will need to balance our lifestyles, to become experts in creating a cycle of use.

And we need to have large government programs in order to do this. Private industry has its part, but by its very nature, the market will not reward alternative energy until the artificially low price of the polluting fuels is addressed, and even then we’ll need a lot of infrastructure spending.

11 garhighway  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 1:54:36pm

I’ve spent part of the day on this topic over at a board at RealClearPolitics. Anyone who wants to pitch in and shed some light is welcome. I seem to be outnumbered.

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

12 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 1:56:54pm

Warning: Mother Nature Does Not Take Lobbyist Money

13 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:01:43pm

re: #12 engineer dog

Warning: Mother Nature Does Not Take Lobbyist Money

Commie.

14 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:03:25pm
15 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:06:03pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here we go again:

Republican New Jersey Mayor Caught Up In ‘Rentboy’ Scandal

It was research!!

16 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:08:19pm

A great speech, but I’m sure it’s going to fall on more than a few deaf ears in Congress. Ours is a system whose lifeblood is lobbyist dollars, so I’m sure more than a few have been put on notice that if their hearts suddenly grow three sizes and they begin speaking out in favor of controlling carbon emissions, that they’ll be facing reelection troubles either next year or the election after.

17 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:08:35pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here we go again:

Republican New Jersey Mayor Caught Up In ‘Rentboy’ Scandal

Why on earth does would anyone think that photo would be sexually enticing? Oh, it would be incentive to go on a diet, maybe…

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:10:55pm

Most recent comment on that YouTube video:

Man made climate change is biologically impossible. Total fiction from nuclear power and the stupid.
JonThm 8 minutes ago

wow.

/BIG NUCLEAR IS RIPPING US OFF!

19 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:13:54pm

re: #17 EmmmieG

Why on earth does would anyone think that photo would be sexually enticing? Oh, it would be incentive to go on a diet, maybe…

IDK there’s some kinky people out there…

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:18:09pm

Another gem from the same commenter:

There has been no increase in free carbon dioxide in the air for two centuries due to photosynthesis
JonThm 6 hours ago

I suspect he must be trolling.

21 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:19:10pm

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

Another gem from the same commenter:

I suspect he must be trolling.

PHOTOSYNTHESIS! THATS SCIENCE!

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:23:48pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

PHOTOSYNTHESIS! THATS SCIENCE!

Well, it is science. Photosynthesis is a very important part of the natural cycle.

I’m not sure why this gentlemen thinks that the number of trees is magically adjusted to absorb all the CO-two that we put out.

23 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:26:45pm

He didn’t mention that Jayzus was going to Rapture us up before it becomes an issue so I don’t believe it. If anyone doesn’t believe me, I’ve heard on good authority that the world ends for the disbelievers on Oct. 21,2011.
So…yeah…umm…
//

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:27:45pm

re: #23 OhNoZombies!

He didn’t mention that Jayzus was going to Rapture us up before it becomes an issue so I don’t believe it. If anyone doesn’t believe me, I’ve heard on good authority that the world ends for the disbelievers on Oct. 21,2011.
So…yeah…umm…
//

I have it on good authority that your good authority’s been wrong before.

25 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:30:19pm

re: #24 EmmmieG

I have it on good authority that your good authority’s been wrong before.

I blame the Magna Carta for the date confusion.

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:30:44pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would all you liberal commies (who I suspect are actually agents of satan) quit worrying about that tanker spill of hydrochloric acid at your local beach. It’s harmless stuff. Look, this glass beaker over here is full the stuff, and nothing at all is happening to the beaker, it’s perfectly fine. And as we all know, glass is just refined sand. And where can you find sand? Exactly. Case closed.

/JUGGALO SCIENCE!

27 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:31:13pm

Cue the right wing blogosphere tearing this guy to shreds in 3…2…1…

28 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:32:05pm

Nooooo. Never. He just misread the chicken droppings.
It’s ok though, I gave him all of my worldly possessions, and…
Uhh…wait …
:)
re: #24 EmmmieG

29 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:36:05pm

gop 2011 “global warming is not happening”

gop 2021 “the rise in sea level is entirely due to natural causes”

gop 2031 “we were the ones warning about global warming back in the 2010s, but the democrats censored us”

30 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:40:09pm

Well that’s bizarre. I sent an email to Whitehouse’s office saying thanks and way to go. I just got an email back saying thanks but we can’t accept it cuz my address isn’t recognizable to the post office and they have to know my address… because. Been here about 8 years and the post office has found me every time. So have my bills.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:41:34pm

re: #29 engineer dog

Damn, but you have a truly pessimistic, dystopian view of the future. I mean, the GOP still being around in twenty years? That’s dark, man. Really dark.
/

32 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:41:43pm

Congrats PS…

Let’s look at some of the great things that Sen Whitehouse said:

What we overlook is that nature — God’s Earth — is also tapping us all on the shoulder, with messages we ignore at our peril. We ignore the messages of nature of God’s Earth and we ignore the laws of nature of God’s Earth at our very grave peril.

There is no parameter for mercy in the equations of physics. If you exceed the physical limitations of your body, you will die. If you do not have enough food or water, you will die. If you set in motion processes that will cause the vast majority of people on the planet to have inadequate food and water, they will die.

If you believe in God, you must conclude that God made the universe and the laws that govern them. The ultimate arbiter of science is God, Himself. Either what the scientists say reflects creation or it does not. Climate science is correct and supported by mountains of evidence. Anyone who wishes to speculate on what God will or will not allow people to do to themselves when they ignore His rules has never read scripture or studied history.

The problem is that some of the special interests — the polluters — have insinuated themselves into that wave, sort of like parasites that creep into the body of a host animal, and from there they are working terrible mischief. They are propagating two big lies. One is that environmental regulations are a burden to the economy and we need to lift those burdens to spur our economic recovery. The second is the jury is still out on climate changes caused by carbon pollution, so we don’t need to worry about it or even take precautions. Both are, frankly, outright false.

I would add that the fossil fuel interests vested in denying the science are not just parasites, but bad parasites that kill their host. Just as there is no parameter for mercy in the equations of physics, there are no do-overs.

Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science…

…This letter was signed by the heads of the following organizations: the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Institute of Biological Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Society of Agronomy, the American Society of Plant Biologists, the American Statistical Association, the Association of Ecosystem Research Centers, the Botanical Society of America, the Crop Science Society of America, the Ecological Society of America, the Natural Science Collections Alliance, the Organization of Biological Field Stations, the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, the Society of Systematic Biologists, the Soil Science Society of America, and the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.

Who do you believe? The legitimate scientific community, or propagandists for fossil fuel interests who stand to loose money if we switch to safer forms of energy?

Imagine if your child were sick and the doctor said she needed treatment, and out of prudence you went and got a second opinion. Then you went around and you actually got 99 second opinions. When you were done, you found that 97 out of 100 expert doctors agreed your child was sick and needed treatment. Imagine further that of the three who disagreed, some took money from the insurance company that would have to pay for your child’s treatment. Imagine further that none of those three could say they were sure your child was OK, just that they weren’t sure what her illness was.

33 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:48:53pm

After Bachmann states her NH campaign is just fine, campaign staff issues letter assuring her they really did quit.

Removing any trace of doubt about their actions, Michele Bachmann’s staff in New Hampshire released a letter Monday stating unequivocally that they had in resigned en masse and that they expressly blamed a lack of communication between the staff and Bachmann’s campaign for the decision.

Citing a failure to communicate as the cause of the departures was laced with irony, after a mini-drama played out Friday in which Bachmann’s campaign didn’t appear to realize that its New Hampshire staff had walked out, instead claiming that all was well.

All is not well in the Bachmann camp, as the letter released Monday made clear.

The ex-staffers took pains to refute the spin by Bachmann’s national staff that there had been no walkout, saying “it should be clear that the entire N.H. team has departed.” The ex-staffers also said they have no confidence in Bachmann’s national campaign team.

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:50:21pm

re: #29 engineer dog

gop 2011 “global warming is not happening”

gop 2021 “the rise in sea level is entirely due to natural causes”

gop 2031 “we were the ones warning about global warming back in the 2010s, but the democrats censored us”

GOP 2051: We must increase use of lethal force at our borders for the sake of national security. We can barely feed our own, let alone, provide for useless Mexicans.

GOP 2061: Only those white people who pass a loyalty test should be given full food rations.

GOP 2071: Communist Canadians continue to refuse to share crops and water that rightfully belong to America.

GOP 2081: The successful invasion of Canada will provide clean food and water for all loyal Americans.

GOP 2111: (local “elections” only, excerpt of speech) I, Colonel Smith, was blessed by God with the tanks and ammunition to bring this valley order. Griping about low rations, or the rights of soldiers to relieve their natural manly impulses will not be tolerated.

35 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:52:29pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

GOP 2051: We must increase use of lethal force at our borders for the sake of national security. We can barely feed our own let alone provide for useless Mexicans.

GOP 2061: Only those white people who pass a loyalty test should be given full food rations.

GOP 2071: Communist Canadians continue to refuse to share crops and water that rightfully belong to America.

GOP 2081: The successful invasion of Canada will provide clean food and water for all loyal Americans.

GOP 2111: (local “elections” only, excerpt of speech) I, Colonel Smith, was blessed by God with the tanks and ammunition to bring this valley order. Griping about low rations or the rights of soldiers to relieve their natural manly impulses will not be tolerated.

36 recusancy  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:52:41pm

re: #30 allegro

Well that’s bizarre. I sent an email to Whitehouse’s office saying thanks and way to go. I just got an email back saying thanks but we can’t accept it cuz my address isn’t recognizable to the post office and they have to know my address… because. Been here about 8 years and the post office has found me every time. So have my bills.

E-Mails don’t mean shit to congress people. Written letters and phone calls are the only thing that matter. I highly urge people to call. You’re wasting your time with email. Getting calls to their office definitely resonate. It takes effort on your part and cannot easily be automated.

37 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 2:55:21pm

Thanks for the front page promotion Charles! Much appreciated, as this needs to get as much exposure as possible.

re: #36 recusancy

E-Mails don’t mean shit to congress people. Written letters and phone calls are the only thing that matter. I highly urge people to call. You’re wasting your time with email. Getting calls to their office definitely resonate. It takes effort on your part and cannot easily be automated.

I did try to put his office phone numbers with the contact info above, but the “no phone numbers allowed” script cut them out :( You can find them at the bottom of his official homepage.

38 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:02:07pm

re: #37 publicityStunted

Thanks for the front page promotion Charles! Much appreciated, as this needs to get as much exposure as possible.

I did try to put his office phone numbers with the contact info above, but the “no phone numbers allowed” script cut them out :( You can find them at the bottom of his official homepage.

Direct link to phone numbers:

[Link: whitehouse.senate.gov…]

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:02:25pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

Dumb ass. Everyone knows that Canada was annexed in 2072, not 2081. Geez.
/

40 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:03:42pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

Dumb ass. Everyone knows that Canada was annexed in 2072, not 2081. Geez.
/

President Eden will keep us safe.

41 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:03:48pm

Anyone notice that Big Government has a new outrageous outrage going on? They’re trying to get another “left wing media” person fired for associating with OWS, NYT freelancer Natasha Lennard.

Based on this video:

42 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:04:58pm

This is one of the ugliest things about today’s right wing — the baying mob howling for someone’s personal destruction.

43 Jerk  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:06:22pm

I sent him a nice message. This guy is great.

44 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:07:52pm

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

Damn, but you have a truly pessimistic, dystopian view of the future. I mean, the GOP still being around in twenty years? That’s dark, man. Really dark.
/

heh

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:08:11pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

President Eden will keep us safe.

Wuss. If you had any sense you’d know that Pres. Richardson was the best POTUS evar!

46 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:08:11pm

re: #41 Charles

Anyone notice that Big Government has a new outrageous outrage going on? They’re trying to get another “left wing media” person fired for associating with OWS, NYT freelancer Natasha Lennard.

Based on this video:

[Video]

They love the Constitution, except for the freedom of speech and freedom of association crap.

47 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:09:18pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

Wuss. If you had any sense you’d know that Pres. Richardson was the best POTUS evar!

If they had built the oil rig according to regulations, then maybe it wouldn’t have blown up!

48 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:09:33pm

re: #42 Charles

This is one of the ugliest things about today’s right wing — the baying mob howling for someone’s personal destruction.

Well they are just supporting free speech….

Seriously though, you would hope that after the Sherrod smear some people would grow a little spine. Of course, they didn’t. It is high time that we start talking a lot more about things like Rush’s use of prostitutes and many ex wives - and the same for Gingrich.

It is high time we poke a little into the private life of a putz like Breitbart and see what cockroaches are under his rocks… after all, he is willing to post pictures of some dud who just argued with him at a restaurant.

The truly tragic thing is that it is up to the blogosphere to do the job of the reporters and get at these punks. But, we can do it. And we must.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:11:15pm

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Well they are just supporting free speech…

Seriously though, you would hope that after the Sherrod smear some people would grow a little spine. Of course, they didn’t. It is high time that we start talking a lot more about things like Rush’s use of prostitutes and many ex wives - and the same for Gingrich.

It is high time we poke a little into the private life of a putz like Breitbart and see what cockroaches are under his rocks… after all, he is willing to post pictures of some dud who just argued with him at a restaurant.

The truly tragic thing is that it is up to the blogosphere to do the job of the reporters and get at these punks. But, we can do it. And we must.

I wonder what’s in Mitt’s closet.

I’ll bet he has things in his kitchen cabinet that are past their expiration date—and he doesn’t even care!

(Actually, I believe if there were any dirt, it would have been found a long time ago.)

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:11:39pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THAT WAS DONE BY A MUTANT-LIBERAL PLANT, AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

51 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:13:30pm

re: #42 Charles

This is one of the ugliest things about today’s right wing — the baying mob howling for someone’s personal destruction.

NYT isn’t as zealous with their ethics code as NYT so they may not be able to get her fired. I don;t care enough to read through to see if there’s a violation or not but their policy states they treat freelancers the same as staff.

Our audience applies exacting standards to all of our journalism. It does not normally distinguish between the work of staff members and that of outside freelancers. Thus as far as possible, freelance contributors to the Times Company’s journalism, while not its employees, should accept the same ethical standards as staff members as a condition of their assignments for us. If they violate these standards, they should be denied further assignments.

52 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:13:57pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

THAT WAS DONE BY A MUTANT-LIBERAL PLANT, AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

“The Commies have eyes everywhere, Citizen! And that means they’re not just Commies, they’re Peeping Toms!”’

53 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:14:17pm

I sent Senator “Sheldon” the following…

I just want to congratulate the Senator for stating on the record a fairly concise and realistic view as regards mankind’s contribution towards global climate change. I just wish he had noted in his speech that the “spin doctors” and “lobbyists” used by the polluters are pretty much the same crowd used by the tobacco industry in it’s decades long fight against cigarette smoking being declared harmful.

While the tobacco industry eventually did lose that fight it only did so after 30 years of public opinion manipulation and litigation. The people involved obviously learned a great deal about how best to confuse and minimize the facts available to the public.

They are doing so again in regards to AGW and that really should be pointed out clearly. That many of the same names are prominent in regards to both issues, that these are paid “scientific doubt gunslingers” who will find a way to cast doubt upon any valid scientific finding, as long as “proper funding” is made available to them.

Sigh…anyway, loved the speech and my thanks.

54 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:15:22pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

NPR isn’t zealous with their ethics code. They’re inconsistent.

55 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:16:22pm

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Well they are just supporting free speech…

Seriously though, you would hope that after the Sherrod smear some people would grow a little spine. Of course, they didn’t. It is high time that we start talking a lot more about things like Rush’s use of prostitutes and many ex wives - and the same for Gingrich.

It is high time we poke a little into the private life of a putz like Breitbart and see what cockroaches are under his rocks… after all, he is willing to post pictures of some dud who just argued with him at a restaurant.

The truly tragic thing is that it is up to the blogosphere to do the job of the reporters and get at these punks. But, we can do it. And we must.

I totally disagree. That just diminishes us all even more. It’s also juvenile and stupid. IMO what we need to do is to stop rewarding that awful behavior and treat it as it deserves by shunning and mocking.

56 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:19:22pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here we go again:

Republican New Jersey Mayor Caught Up In ‘Rentboy’ Scandal

re: #15 SteelPH

It was research

I was ministering to him. He needed laying on of hands.

57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:20:53pm

re: #42 Charles

This is one of the ugliest things about today’s right wing — the baying mob howling for someone’s personal destruction.

Especially when it means someone loses a livelihood.

Getting others canned for “communism” is the only way they can compete.

58 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:21:52pm

re: #42 Charles

This is one of the ugliest things about today’s right wing — the baying mob howling for someone’s personal destruction.

Joe McCarthy would be proud that others have taken up his work.

59 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:26:11pm

I find the chick that wrote books about a new communist dawn and democracy being a neo-liberal fantasy more interesting. Who knew there were still so many communists still around? I hang out in pretty far left circles but actual real self avowed communists are pretty rare in my experience. I had no idea so many were still knocking around.

60 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:31:05pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I find the chick that wrote books about a new communist dawn and democracy being a neo-liberal fantasy more interesting. Who knew there were still so many communists still around? I hang out in pretty far left circles but actual real self avowed communists are pretty rare in my experience. I had no idea so many were still knocking around.

Communists are hawt.

61 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:37:23pm

re: #60 Charles

Communists are hawt.

This explains why they are red, then.

Perhaps we could offer air conditioning.

62 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:38:02pm

re: #60 Charles

Communists are hawt.

Ha!
Republicans have Michelle Malkin and the bevy of interchangeable blondes at Faux news…besides communist girls don’t even shave their legs or their armpits nor do they bathe very often. Look at France for an example…

///

63 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:38:21pm

re: #60 Charles

She’s semi-interesting….
The Communist Horizon (pdf)

64 recusancy  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:38:32pm

For everyone writing E-Mails to Sen Whitehouse please try to call as well. E-Mails rarely ever have any effect. Calling has large effects. His number is at the bottom of his website.

65 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:40:59pm

This is very cool. The local ABC news is doing a piece on the major increase in people taking their banking business from BoA and Chase and opening credit union accounts who are seeing better than a 350% increase in new accounts. Most of the people moving their accounts are those making $75K and more, not just the po’ folk. A couple of people they interviewed stated a combination of #1, disgust for the big banks and #2, higher fees.

Perhaps OWS is making a difference.

66 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:42:46pm

Oops, correction. It’s ABC network, not local. Even better.

67 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:43:18pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I find the chick that wrote books about a new communist dawn and democracy being a neo-liberal fantasy more interesting. Who knew there were still so many communists still around? I hang out in pretty far left circles but actual real self avowed communists are pretty rare in my experience. I had no idea so many were still knocking around.

Ebb and flow, ebb and flow

There probably aren’t many actual “avowed” Communists (capital “C”). I mean the old school “card carrying types” knocking around anymore, but what you may find is a group that would never call themselves that, but think ‘hey, those are some pretty good ideas” when shown in opposition of “greedy capitalists”

68 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:43:59pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

She’s semi-interesting…
The Communist Horizon (pdf)

ruh roh ,.

NOW you’re in trouble!!

D r a f t — d o
n o t
c i t e
w i t h o u t
p e r m i s s i o n

|

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:45:09pm

re: #65 allegro

This is very cool. The local ABC news is doing a piece on the major increase in people taking their banking business from BoA and Chase and opening credit union accounts who are seeing better than a 350% increase in new accounts. Most of the people moving their accounts are those making $75K and more, not just the po’ folk. A couple of people they interviewed stated a combination of #1, disgust for the big banks and #2, higher fees.

Perhaps OWS is making a difference.

Actually, it’s probably the $5 fee.

People really, really, really hate nuisance fees.

70 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:45:29pm

re: #65 allegro

This is very cool. The local ABC news is doing a piece on the major increase in people taking their banking business from BoA and Chase and opening credit union accounts who are seeing better than a 350% increase in new accounts. Most of the people moving their accounts are those making $75K and more, not just the po’ folk. A couple of people they interviewed stated a combination of #1, disgust for the big banks and #2, higher fees.

Perhaps OWS is making a difference.

I moved my accounts away from BOA last week and into a small local bank, still suffering from debit card withdrawal though, new one has not shown up yet (7-10 days sigh…).

71 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:46:35pm

re: #65 allegro

Perhaps OWS is making a difference.

Maybe, but I think it’s more a combo of
A) the big banks adding those fees at a time (PR wise due to the bad economy) they shouldn’t
and
B) Credit Unions being more aggressive in marketing and advertising

72 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:47:04pm

re: #70 ausador

gmta

A) point of #71

73 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:47:15pm

re: #69 EmmmieG

Actually, it’s probably the $5 fee.

People really, really, really hate nuisance fees.

That could be the reason for many or most. I found it interesting that the 2 people I saw interviewed stated that as a secondary reason for taking their business elsewhere.

74 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:47:59pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

gmta

A) point of #71

OOOPPPSS ,, thatw as meant as a response to re: #69 EmmmieG

75 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:48:21pm

Good Afternoon Lizards…
You know they say my job is so easy that a Monkey could do it..
But I was here first

76 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:48:47pm

re: #70 ausador

I moved my accounts away from BOA last week and into a small local bank, still suffering from debit card withdrawal though, new one has not shown up yet (7-10 days sigh…).

I moved to a local bank about 6 years ago. They are terrific and a huge improvement over BoA or Wells Fargo, both banks with which I had done business.

77 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:49:17pm

re: #75 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards…
You know they say my job is so easy that a Monkey could do it..
But I was here first

here ,, have a banana!

78 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:49:53pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I find the chick that wrote books about a new communist dawn and democracy being a neo-liberal fantasy more interesting. Who knew there were still so many communists still around? I hang out in pretty far left circles but actual real self avowed communists are pretty rare in my experience. I had no idea so many were still knocking around.

my wingnut correspondents didn’t believe me when i told them that most hippies in berkeley were not actually communists and had never heard of bob avakian

79 allegro  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:50:09pm

re: #75 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards…
You know they say my job is so easy that a Monkey could do it..
But I was here first

Start flinging poo and I’m outa here.

80 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:51:06pm
81 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:51:13pm

re: #69 EmmmieG

Actually, it’s probably the $5 fee.

People really, really, really hate nuisance fees.

Convenience fees are the devil!

“To process your $25 dollar payment over the phone, we’ll charge you a $15 convenience fee. Press 1 to accept”

“Um, which is the ‘go fuck yourselves’ button?”

82 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:51:52pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Convenience fees are the devil!

“To process your $25 dollar payment over the phone, we’ll charge you a $15 convenience fee. Press 1 to accept”

“Um, which is the ‘go fuck yourselves’ button?”

Obvioulsy, not 1!!

83 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:52:41pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

I felt a disturbance in the Farce, as though a million wingnuts became “outraged” at once, and just as suddenly began whining.

/

84 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:53:34pm
85 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:55:05pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: demotivational-posters-well-theres-your-problem2.jpg

Do you know how hard it is to live on a million dollars these days? Between the cost of maid service and sending my kids to expensive private schools, I barely have enough left to afford the payment on my mansion!

86 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:55:55pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Do you know how hard it is to live on a million dollars these days? Between the cost of maid service and sending my kids to expensive private schools, I barely have enough left to afford the payment on my mansion mistress!

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:58:03pm

re: #78 engineer dog

my wingnut correspondents didn’t believe me when i told them that most hippies in berkeley were not actually communists and had never heard of bob avakian

It’s pretty rare. Maybe some young people in their early 20’s embracing radicalism to annoy their parents and a few old cranks in academia. An actual functioning adult communist is pretty rare. Even my last employer claimed to be a socialist but didn’t pay a living wage or the legally required overtime pay. He spent his money on ugly expensive artwork and remodeling his huge house on a 4 acre lot.

89 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:58:34pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

Do you know how hard it is to live on a million dollars these days? Between the cost of maid service and sending my kids to expensive private schools, I barely have enough left to afford the payment on my mansion mistress! rentboy

90 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:59:17pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

It’s pretty rare. Maybe some young people in their early 20’s embracing radicalism to annoy their parents and a few old cranks in academia. An actual functioning adult communist is pretty rare. Even my last employer claimed to be a socialist but didn’t pay a living wage or the legally required overtime pay. He spent his money on ugly expensive artwork and remodeling his huge house on a 4 acre lot.

So when he said “socialist,” he really meant “Stalinist.”

92 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:01:56pm

Communists? Aren’t them the old hippies who want to teach evolution and shariah law and bring in gay Black Panthers to run the government schools?

93 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:03:55pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel

gay Black Panthers

Never met one

I did see a Yellow Tiger that was kind of giddy once!

94 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:04:26pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

gay Black Panthers

Never met one

I did see a Yellow Tiger that was kind of giddy once!

I mean,, I saw him once

I have no idea how many times he was giddy!

97 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:07:46pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

She’s semi-interesting…
The Communist Horizon (pdf)

interesting and well written, but

What leftists call the loss of the political is the fog they muddle around in
because they’ve lost sight of the communist horizon

she is promoting a black and white universe where “communism” is the only solution to the ills of capitalism. whereas, all civilized countries these days are effectively in Democratic Socialist mode, as exemplified by western europe

98 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:11:50pm

re: #97 engineer dog

interesting and well written, but

What leftists call the loss of the political is the fog they muddle around in
because they’ve lost sight of the communist horizon

she is promoting a black and white universe where “communism” is the only solution to the ills of capitalism. whereas, all civilized countries these days are effectively in Democratic Socialist mode, as exemplified by western europe

That’s the impression I get too. She thinks capitalism and democracy are doomed to fail and communist revolution is inevitable. Although she’s critical of the Soviet Union I get the impression she still agrees with Stalin’s original vision.

99 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:12:01pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

An actual functioning adult communist is pretty rare.

Didn’t I already say that (67)!?!?!

////

100 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:13:03pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I get the impression she still agrees with Stalin’s original vision

Didn’t I already say that (67)!?!?!

// LOL

101 windsagio  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:18:17pm

“I don’t like somebody, must be a Stalinist”

Didn’t this just come up yesterday in that Bradwhatever thread?

102 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:20:29pm

re: #101 windsagio

“I don’t like somebody, must be a Salinist

Didn’t this just come up yesterday in that Bradwhatever thread?

Is a Salinist someone who uses a saline solution?

103 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:22:19pm

re: #101 windsagio

re: #102 sattv4u2

Is a Salinist someone who uses a saline solution?

Or maybe someone from Saline Michigan! (just west of Ypsinati Michigan)

104 windsagio  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:22:50pm

re: #102 sattv4u2

don’t edit quotes of me, you jerk!

(Yay@edit function :D)

105 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:24:16pm

re: #87 bratwurst

Ready for some comedy?

Glenn Beck says that GOP Presidential candidates, members of Congress, business leaders, and members of the media have all asked him for secret meetings so that he can explain Occupy Wall St. to them.

The comments are full of priceless unintentional comedy…

The international bankers commissioned marx to write the communist manifesto and the international bankers financed the bolshevik revolution and lenin and trotsky, stalin, etc. , read the book ,,, wallstreet and the bolshevik revolution by the late anthony c. sutton. among the major funders of lenin and the bolsheviks were john d. rockefeller, jacob schiff, the warburgs and the rothschilds.

If anyone is interested google and read the communist manifesto and then compare it to the conditions right here and right now in america and you will find that , we are under communism right here and right now.

That being said glenn beck is a tool of the same elites he pretends to trash , beck is a trojan horse psy ops and I would not be surprised if he with the CIA.

Funny thing, facts. They have a tendency to be true. When you have video of Leftist leaders, IN THEIR OWN WORDS, discussing the planning of the OWS activities, you’re a conspiracy theorist. When you have documentary proof of the same thing, you’re a nut.

Tell ya what - WATCH the flippin’ show for a change - you can sign up for a free two-week subscription - then cancel: THEN you can make your case. I mean, gee,, two weeks worth of ammunition for FREE? How can you pass THAT up? But until you have some position of knowledge from which to speak, maybe you should keep your opinions just that … OPINIONS.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

106 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:25:15pm

The titles of the Featured Pages and the Recent Pages have lost their boldness. I logged out (well, I closed all the open LGF pages and closed the browser) and came back and they’re still like that. All wimpy looking.

Is this one of those changes I’m going to have to get used to?

On a more cheerful note, I finally got this “Frank says” again:

Frank says:

Did everyone hear the great news today? Jimmy Swaggart, under investigation. One day every one of those cocksuckers will get caught.

107 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:28:16pm

re: #105 ausador

I like this paart:

beck is a trojan horse psy ops and I would not be surprised if he with the CIA.

It would be even better like this:

beck is a trojan horse psyclops and I would not be surprised if he with the CIA.

108 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:29:59pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

The titles of the Featured Pages and the Recent Pages have lost their boldness. I logged out (well, I closed all the open LGF pages and closed the browser) and came back and they’re still like that. All wimpy looking.

Oh good, it isn’t just my Firefox acting up.

Oh bad, that means it really is a site-wide change :( Why have sidebar link fonts been subjected to such harsh austerity measures?

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:41:45pm

re: #101 windsagio

“I don’t like somebody, must be a Stalinist”

Didn’t this just come up yesterday in that Bradwhatever thread?

You can read her writings and decide for yourself. Her opinion is that the soviet union failed because it strayed from Stalin’s vision and became a squabbling political party instead of ruling as a real communist party. She’s very open about her communist vision.

110 windsagio  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:43:44pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

I meant your boss, though :p Things got a bit muddled in the middle there ><

111 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:43:54pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Um. The only reference to Stalin I find there is this:

Accordingly, it tends to be stabilized via the proper name of Stalin, where “Stalinist” tags practices of monopolizing and consolidating power in the state-party bureaucracy. Communism as Stalinism, then, is marked by authoritarianism, prison camps, and the inadmissibility of criticism

.

Doesn’t really sound like she’s being very approving there.

Where are you finding her talking about Stalin’s vision?

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:44:15pm

Anybody know if the chamber had any Senatorsi n attendance?

113 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:45:01pm

Orcs - mythological creatures or COMMUNIST SUBVERSIVES???!?!?!

CNN/ORC Poll. Oct. 14-16, 2011

“Overall, how much do you trust Wall Street bankers and brokers to do what is best for the economy: a great deal, somewhat, a little, or not at all?”

A great deal 3%
Somewhat 20%
A little 22%
Not at all 54%
Fish 1%

“Please tell me whether you think each of the following descriptions apply or do not apply to Wall Street bankers and brokers… .”

“Intelligent” 82%
“Greedy” 80%
“Overpaid” 77%
“Dishonest” 65%
“Community minded” 24%

114 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:48:43pm

re: #108 publicityStunted

Oh good, it isn’t just my Firefox acting up.

Oh bad, that means it really is a site-wide change :( Why have sidebar link fonts been subjected to such harsh austerity measures?

Yeah! I try to use recycled electrons and pixels whenever possible.

And now I gotta run, before I receive yet another disappointing email from my not-very-nice siblings.

Oh, yes. New Page. Hope I didn’t hog all the pixels…

115 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:49:38pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody know if the chamber had any Senatorsi n attendance?

If you mean how many others were there during Senator Whitehouse’s speech, not very many according to this commenter:

The echoing sound in the video suggests that few senators were present in the Senate Chamber to hear Sen. Whitehouse’s remarks live.

How depressingly symbolic :/ But all the more reason to make his speech go viral online.

116 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:55:54pm
117 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:56:11pm

re: #113 engineer dog

Orcs - mythological creatures or COMMUNIST SUBVERSIVES???!?!?!

CNN/ORC Poll. Oct. 14-16, 2011

“Overall, how much do you trust Wall Street bankers and brokers to do what is best for the economy: a great deal, somewhat, a little, or not at all?”

A great deal 3%
Somewhat 20%
A little 22%
Not at all 54%
Fish 1%

I am confused.

118 JRCMYP  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:57:44pm

Here is my thank you to Sen. Whitehouse

Thank you Senator Whitehouse for your thoughtful yet plain spoken speech today regarding the perils of ignoring climate change.

My family came to America in 1630 and settled in Rhode Island. Sometimes when I’m out for a run here in Massachusetts where I live, I think about what the landscape must have looked like when Matthew and Rose xxxx first traveled through the thick forests on their way to Rhode Island via Massachusetts Bay Colony. Over almost 400 years, we New Englanders have carved a different way of life into the landscape. While my frugal ancestors might marvel at the way we’ve made use of our resources to create the world in which we now live, I also imagine that they’d judge us harshly for the waste, plunder and pollution. And I also wonder how my descendants 400 years from now will judge the decisions or indecision of our time.

I wanted you to know that I appreciate what you did. And I thank you for pointing out the “why” behind Washington’s reluctance to acknowledge the real danger we pose to our future. You took an unpopular position. But someone needed to do it.

Many thanks,

Jen xxx
xxx, Massachusetts

119 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 4:59:19pm

re: #117 The Ghost of a Flea

I am confused.

surrealists are underrepresented in american opinion polls by exactly 36.234%

120 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:00:00pm

re: #110 windsagio

I meant your boss, though :p Things got a bit muddled in the middle there ><

Ah, ok.
/heh

121 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:02:50pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Um. The only reference to Stalin I find there is this:

.

Doesn’t really sound like she’s being very approving there.

Where are you finding her talking about Stalin’s vision?

Ah, ok. She mentions Stalin again in the final section of revolution as an imperative (or something). I thought he was part of her communist horizon theory. Maybe not

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:04:01pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. She mentions Stalin again in the final section of revolution as an imperative (or something). I thought he was part of her communist horizon theory. Maybe not

…and not that it makes much of a difference to me anyways. Stalinists are only slightly more abhorrent than garden variety communists.

123 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:05:43pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

No. She mentions Lenin. That she specifically calls for the Party of Lenin and not of Stalin is, in fact, a rejection of Stalin.

So, she’s not a Stalinist. She’s a Leninist.

124 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:06:19pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

…and not that it makes much of a difference to me anyways. Stalinists are only slightly more abhorrent than garden variety communists.

Praise Jesus.

125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:07:00pm

Bad news: My chest freezer crapped out a couple days ago (I just discovered it now). I just threw away a whole lot of valuable food.
Good news: Just heard a frog (only one) in the carrot patch. He seemed to be reacting to the low rumble of a distant lawn mower.

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:07:04pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

You must be ecstatic to find someone who fits your prejudices to a T.

127 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:07:52pm

re: #123 Obdicut

No. She mentions Lenin. That she specifically calls for the Party of Lenin and not of Stalin is, in fact, a rejection of Stalin.

So, she’s not a Stalinist. She’s a Leninist.

Ok, that explains it. My mistake.

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:09:43pm

re: #126 wlewisiii

You must be ecstatic to find someone who fits your prejudices to a T.

Not really. I’m pretty dismayed that OWS is something that Glenn Beck would dream up on his chalkboard.

130 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:10:20pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Bad news: My chest freezer crapped out a couple days ago (I just discovered it now). I just threw away a whole lot of valuable food.
Good news: Just heard a frog (only one) in the carrot patch. He seemed to be reacting to the low rumble of a distant lawn mower.

Must have been longer than that

I had one that did that and the frozen stuff in there kept almost totally frozen for 4 days (didn’t have a chance to go get a new one for several days)

131 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:10:30pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Not really. I’m pretty dismayed that OWS is something that Glenn Beck Killgore Trout would dream up on his chalkboard.

FTFY

132 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:10:47pm

Watching the video now.

Sen Whitehouse is da’ man.

133 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:11:10pm

re: #132 wozzablog

Watching the video now.

Sen Whitehouse is da’ man.

Did you know he is a Communist!

//

134 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:11:14pm

re: #116 Lidane

“The Hutton Hotel is now under Sharia law.”

Heh.

For Pam and her friends, anything that annoys them is under Sharia law, up to and including hard-to-open bottles of gin, Funyuns, and Noguchi coffee tables from the Herman Miller collection.

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:13:46pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

My guess would be about 4-5 days. Some stuff was still partially frozen but everything needs to go.

136 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:14:15pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Did you know he is a Communist!

//

I was getting that feeling.

137 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:15:10pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

My guess would be about 4-5 days. Some stuff was still partially frozen but everything needs to go.

If it just fell to refrigerator temps or so, much of it can go into the soup pot or a really big cookout. Invite the hippies.

138 Skeetghazi  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:15:34pm

re: #87 bratwurst

Ready for some comedy?

Glenn Beck says that GOP Presidential candidates, members of Congress, business leaders, and members of the media have all asked him for secret meetings so that he can explain Occupy Wall St. to them.

I mean we know Beck is whacko, but I’m getting more and more of a McCarthyism feeling lately. Especially reading that Breitbart is going after individuals participating.

Beck:

Beck has said he believes the group is comprised of “Marxist radicals” who will “come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you…these guys are worse than Robespierre from the French Revolution…they’ll kill everybody”

139 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:15:56pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

If it just fell to refrigerator temps or so, much of it can go into the soup pot or a really big cookout. Invite the hippies.

They don’t eat real food, they’re vegetarians.

140 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:16:18pm

re: #136 wozzablog

I was getting that feeling.

We are all Communists now.

//

141 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:18:01pm

Loving the inflections he uses when he’s reading from the Everyman book.

142 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:18:02pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

They don’t eat real food, they’re vegetarians.

Upwind BBQ.

(In Israel we were asked by the embassy to avoid outdoor cooking during holiday fasts, for the sake of our neighbors.)

143 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:22:05pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Upwind BBQ.

(In Israel we were asked by the embassy to avoid outdoor cooking during holiday fasts, for the sake of our neighbors.)

So? In Saudi they dont ask. They just arrest you.

144 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:24:17pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

My guess would be about 4-5 days. Some stuff was still partially frozen but everything needs to go.

>


smart move,,, expensive, but smart

145 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:24:43pm

re: #143 Naso Tang

So? In Saudi they dont ask. They just arrest you.

The US embassy, not the Israelis. It seemed fairly delicate compared to the way we stomped around S. Korea.

146 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:34:47pm
147 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:36:24pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Time for some inspiring music.

[Video]

Whenever I hear that, I immediately think of the scene from The Hunt For Red October.

148 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:38:50pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Time for some inspiring music.

[Video]

OK

149 Ming  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:39:33pm

I would assume that a very significant part of the “carbon lobby”, industries that release carbon dioxide into the air, includes Middle-Eastern oil interests. If this is true, then any politician who denies global warming should ask himself or herself if they’re helping to keep American dependent on foreign oil.

150 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:40:55pm

re: #146 Gus 802

I gots teh tingles.
Easily one of my top three or four national anthems.

151 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:41:02pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Whenever I hear that, I immediately think of the scene from The Hunt For Red October.

Hunt For Red October Russian Anthem Scene

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:42:22pm

re: #149 Ming

I would assume that a very significant part of the “carbon lobby”, industries that release carbon dioxide into the air, includes Middle-Eastern oil interests. If this is true, then any politician who denies global warming should ask himself or herself if they’re helping to keep American dependent on foreign oil.

Hence why they’re all calling for “energy independence” and pushing things like oil shale and “clean” natural gas with a vengeance. It no doubt helps that they’ve got plenty of lobbyist dollars coming in from those industries.

153 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:44:05pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK

[Video]

Mars…

Bringer of war.

154 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:44:32pm

re: #150 wozzablog

I gots teh tingles.
Easily one of my top three or four national anthems.

La Marseillaise c’est le meillieur sans aucune doubte!

155 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:45:27pm

Welsh Anthem - (50 seconds in)

156 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:48:45pm

And stood against him, proud Edwards army, and sent him homeward tae think again.

Scots Anthem.

Welsh, Scots, French, Irish, South African.

All wonderful.

157 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:09:48pm

Hey, great post—conrgrats on getting it promoted, pS!

158 Kronocide  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:58:35pm

Great post and great speech. I heard nothing wrong with it and can support everything he said in it.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:24:11am

re: #115 publicityStunted

That was going to be my point.


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