Video: Herman Cain’s Bizarre New Advertisement

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Oh brother. You thought William Shatner was weird? At first I was sure this was a parody, but no … it’s the real thing, baby!

And it’s definitely in the running for worst political ad of the season so far. Don’t miss the surprising conclusion, a freaky shout-out to Cain’s past as a tobacco industry lobbyist followed by Cain’s mind-bendingly creepy slow motion smile.

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1 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:43:55pm
2 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:44:33pm

Well. That was...amateur hour.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:44:48pm

This guy looks like he's on the brink of some kind of seizure. Maybe he shouldn't smoke.

4 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:45:14pm

Wow did anybody else find that slow smile at the end creepy?

5 laZardo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:45:42pm

Morning folks.

Reading the two articles downthread and I am very much convinced we should start preparing for the worst.

6 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:46:23pm

I've come to the conclusion that Cain never expected to get this far. It seems like he planned to be knocked off early, cashing in on his momentary celebrity status to push his book and perhaps get some more speaking gigs. Instead, he's found himself unwittingly crowned the "savior" of the GOP in the fight against a Romney nomination.

7 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:47:56pm

That guy shook his head in all the wrong places. Very weird.

8 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:50:11pm

Strange. I think somebody in his campaign decided to hire their nephew instead of a real marketing firm to make the commercial.

9 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:50:25pm

I smoke. But what's the deal with that guy taking a drag at the end? Is that supposed to be like, cool or something? Or a sign of defiance?

10 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:50:31pm

Glasses on crooked — check
Molester 'stache — check
Head shakes no while delivering message, says "I am lying" — check
Nasty drag off cigarette — check
Finish with candidate delivering slow creepsauce smile — check

11 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:51:03pm

re: #9 Gus 802

I smoke. But what's the deal with that guy taking a drag at the end? Is that supposed to be like, cool or something? Or a sign of defiance?

They ran out of words and had to kill 5 seconds.
/

12 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:51:05pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've come to the conclusion that Cain never expected to get this far. It seems like he planned to be knocked off early, cashing in on his momentary celebrity status to push his book and perhaps get some more speaking gigs. Instead, he's found himself unwittingly crowned the "savior" of the GOP in the fight against a Romney nomination.

Yeah, this. I'm not convinced that he's a sincere candidate at all. I think he's just angling for a Fox News gig and speaker fees. There's no way that anyone who's serious about running for POTUS would have put that garbage out.

If he ends up making a serious play for the GOP nomination, the party is even more broken than I thought.

13 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:53:10pm

re: #11 makeitstop

They ran out of words and had to kill 5 seconds.
/

Maybe he just finished having sex with...

Oh, never mind.

//

14 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:53:26pm

"We've run a campaign like no one has ever seen."

Well, they certainly haven't seen the campaign doing anything in any of the main primary states, thats for sure.

15 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:53:30pm

re: #9 Gus 802

I smoke. But what's the deal with that guy taking a drag at the end? Is that supposed to be like, cool or something? Or a sign of defiance?

His campaign decided to put that clip in the video. These things don't happen by accident -- there was a rationale behind it, I'm sure.

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

16 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:54:19pm

This is what happens when plastic, detached, out of touch, fuddy duddy, soulless Republicans try to be hip and edgy... it comes out with all the style and charm of one of Rodan's herpes sores.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:54:43pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Strange. I think somebody in his campaign decided to hire their nephew instead of a real marketing firm to make the commercial.

I was thinking that one of my cousins could have done that with their home computer set-up. Except that none of my cousins would vote for Herman Cain.

18 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:54:45pm

re: #15 Charles

His campaign decided to put that clip in the video. These things don't happen by accident -- there was a rationale behind it, I'm sure.

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

Possibly has a stiff Intrade bet against his candidacy.

19 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:54:58pm

re: #12 Lidane

Yeah, this. I'm not convinced that he's a sincere candidate at all. I think he's just angling for a Fox News gig and speaker fees. There's no way that anyone who's serious about running for POTUS would have put that garbage out.

If he ends up making a serious play for the GOP nomination, the party is even more broken than I thought.

Well if you're broke you'll have to beg for change... something something something 9-9-9 segway!

20 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:55:15pm

re: #12 Lidane

Yeah, this. I'm not convinced that he's a sincere candidate at all. I think he's just angling for a Fox News gig and speaker fees. There's no way that anyone who's serious about running for POTUS would have put that garbage out.

If he ends up making a serious play for the GOP nomination, the party is even more broken than I thought.

isn't the iowa caucus in like 10 weeks?

what the hell is the gop gonna do if cain starts winning primaries?

21 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:55:25pm

re: #15 Charles

His campaign decided to put that clip in the video. These things don't happen by accident -- there was a rationale behind it, I'm sure.

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

Pretty dumb of course. Smoking isn't exactly popular. What's he trying to get the smoker vote?

22 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:55:26pm

re: #15 Charles

His campaign decided to put that clip in the video. These things don't happen by accident -- there was a rationale behind it, I'm sure.

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

Perhaps remember me big tobacco! I am certain to lie for my corporate masters! Do you see that fossil fuels shills! There will be no EPA or medical inquiries that are bad for business on my watch!

23 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:56:13pm

re: #19 jamesfirecat

Well if you're broke you'll have to beg for change... something something something 9-9-9 segway!

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:56:16pm

re: #15 Charles

His campaign decided to put that clip in the video. These things don't happen by accident -- there was a rationale behind it, I'm sure.

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

Nor I.

Substantially fewer Americans smoke these days than support same-sex marriage--and I'm not sure that even those that do smoke see it as a 'cool' thing to do, unless they're fifteen.

25 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:56:54pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Pretty dumb of course. Smoking isn't exactly popular. What's he trying to get the smoker vote?

I think the GOP likes to see black people smoking because it reduces their numbers.

26 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:56:56pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Nor I.

Substantially fewer Americans smoke these days than support same-sex marriage--and I'm not sure that even those that do smoke see it as a 'cool' thing to do, unless they're fifteen.

Should have used a roach clip--youth vote.

27 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:57:05pm

Maybe Obama should take up smoking again. In order to compete.

//

28 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:59:47pm

re: #20 engineer dog

isn't the iowa caucus in like 10 weeks?

what the hell is the gop gonna do if cain starts winning primaries?

Personally, I think that's their second-worst nightmare, just after Ron Paul winning even one primary and going into the convention with no clear nominee.

29 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:59:58pm

Why is it always let's take back America? Isn't there a GOP staffer anywhere that has an original Slogan?
BTW.. I find it interesting how much Cain is starting to veer towards Glenn Beck land..How long before he puts on the Clown Shoes and starts selling Gold and Seeds on his web site?

30 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:59:58pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Glasses on crooked — check
Molester 'stache — check
Head shakes no while delivering message, says "I am lying" — check
Nasty drag off cigarette — check
Finish with candidate delivering slow creepsauce smile — check

The smug slow creep sauce smile to you is the look of assured manly confidence to the GOP... So many TP types were used to someone zipping up and giving them that smile that says "I own you!"

31 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:00:02pm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

Ya know, I think tobacco a lot more popular with Republicans in general. Just a personal impression of course.

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:00:40pm

"My name is Ratzo Rizzo, and I approve this message."

33 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:03:49pm

We need a tighter close up of nasty old man mouth!

34 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:04:12pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

"My name is Ratzo Rizzo, and I approve this message."

Not now, storm storm....

35 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:04:47pm

re: #31 Rightwingconspirator

Ya know, I think tobacco a lot more popular with Republicans in general. Just a personal impression of course.

I think it is a matter of a total package, any one of these things alone does not equal GOP. But together...

Yeah... guns, cheap booze, tobacco, Jesus freakery, Dixie flag, effective third grade level of education. Now that is the GOP/TP base all over.

36 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:05:31pm

You just know that there are some those in the GOP leadership who are looking at this video and thinking "This guy is our poll leader? This guy is the one who the voters think should be president?"

37 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:05:55pm

re: #20 engineer dog

what the hell is the gop gonna do if cain starts winning primaries?

Start telling the base to STFU and accept Romney?

I honestly have no idea.

38 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:06:13pm

I think he licensed the stock music from the same company that provides background music to the porn industry.

39 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:06:38pm

re: #20 engineer dog

isn't the iowa caucus in like 10 weeks?

what the hell is the gop gonna do if cain starts winning primaries?

Ohh let's hope so.

40 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:07:34pm

re: #38 reuven

I think he licensed the stock music from the same company that provides background music to the porn industry.

Maybe that is what Rush plays in the background when he hires some female company...

41 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:07:38pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

We need a tighter close up of nasty old man mouth!

At least it lacks the nostril hair shot that seems to be a part of every video featuring Lord Monckton!

42 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:08:29pm

re: #41 bratwurst

At least it lacks the nostril hair shot that seems to be a part of every video featuring Lord Monckton!

*Choke* Splutter... And there is something less charming than one of Rodan's herpes sores.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:11:37pm

re: #38 reuven

I think he licensed the stock music from the same company that provides background music to the porn industry.

It's that gawd-awful Krista Branch 'song', "I Am America". I recognized it immediately. What can I say, I have an ear for shitty music.

Just the lyrics, for those who don't want to be subjected to that musical abortion...

[Verse One]
Pay no attention to the people in the street
Crying out for accountability
Make a joke of what we believe
Say we don’t matter ’cause you disagree
Pretend you’re kings, sit on your throne
Look down your nose at the peasants below
I’ve got some news, we’re taking names
We’re waiting now for the judgment day

[Chorus]
I am America, one voice, united we stand
I am America, one hope to heal our land

There is still work that must be done
I will not rest until we’ve won

I am America

[Verse Two]
You preach your tolerance, but lecture me
Is there no end to your own hypocrisy
Your god is power, you have no shame
Your only interest is political gain

You hide your eyes and refuse to listen
You play your games and abuse the system
You stuff your pockets while Rome is burning
I’ve got a feeling that the tide is turning

[Chorus]
I am America, one voice, united we stand
I am America, one hope to heal our land

I will not give up on this fight
I will not fade into the light, I am America

[Bridge]
You stuff your pockets while Rome is burning
I’ve got a feeling that the tide is turning

[Chorus]
I am America, one voice, united we stand
I am America, one hope to heal our land

[Chorus]
I am America, one voice, united we stand
I am America, one hope to heal our land

I will not give up on this fight
I will not fade into the night, I am America

44 palomino  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:14:24pm

Almost as weird as this ad back in 08 for Mike Gravel. Then again Gravel never got anywhere near the top of the polls, so people figured he was just goofing. What's Cain's excuse? I'm one of the 20% of American idiots who still smoke, but Cain's ad totally turns me off. More evidence he's trying out for mere celebrity status, not a serious candidate.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:15:00pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

It's that gawd-awful Krista Branch 'song', "I Am America". I recognized it immediately. What can I say, I have an ear for shitty music.

Just the lyrics, for those who don't want to be subjected to that musical abortion...

At least it actually seems to be being used for the purpose the artist intended.

Which puts it above using "Born in the USA" as a kneejerk patriotic anthem.

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:17:16pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I still get a kick out of linking this...

47 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:21:07pm

re: #44 palomino

Almost as weird as this ad back in 08 for Mike Gravel. Then again Gravel never got anywhere near the top of the polls, so people figured he was just goofing. What's Cain's excuse? I'm one of the 20% of American idiots who still smoke, but Cain's ad totally turns me off. More evidence he's trying out for mere celebrity status, not a serious candidate.

[Video]

That would make him the GOP version of "The Producers." If he wins Iowa without even trying, he might actually win the GOP nomination.

48 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:22:34pm

I'm waiting for the GOP candidate brave enough to use this song:

49 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:22:41pm

re: #47 aagcobb

That would make him the GOP version of "The Producers." If he wins Iowa without even trying, he might actually win the GOP nomination.

Springtime for fascists and GOP now... Winter for lib'ruls and poor.

50 darthstar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:24:21pm

"I am America" to the drag of a cigarette? Role models needed on aisle five.

51 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:24:54pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

It's that gawd-awful Krista Branch 'song', "I Am America". I recognized it immediately. What can I say, I have an ear for shitty music.

Just the lyrics, for those who don't want to be subjected to that musical abortion...

Wow. Those lyrics re-define the term 'trite.'

52 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:25:56pm

re: #38 reuven

I think he licensed the stock music from the same company that provides background music to the porn industry.

I just knew I had heard that before.
//

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:26:16pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

At least it actually seems to be being used for the purpose the artist intended.

Indeed...

Former American Idol contestant Krista Branch sings at the "Take Back Our Government" Rally that featured Herman Cain. Duluth, GA - 10/29/10

54 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:26:56pm

re: #9 Gus 802

I smoke. But what's the deal with that guy taking a drag at the end? Is that supposed to be like, cool or something? Or a sign of defiance?

It's like those old movies when a cigarette and smile came after sex.

55 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:27:32pm

We need the viewer to actually smell the product here people! Nobody's going home until our test audience of feral hounds starts retching uncontrollably.

56 darthstar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:28:28pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed...

[Video]

Put yourself in her shoes. You were on American Idol. You can't get a gig at a county fair. Someone asks you to sing a "patriotic" song at a political rally. What do you do? Tell them to throw in a clean sleeping bag for your roadie and you'll do it.

57 darthstar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:29:02pm

re: #54 Naso Tang

It's like those old movies when a cigarette and smile came after sex.

Hey, he's smoking and Herman Cain hasn't even fucked me yet!

58 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:33:09pm

What the deuce!?! Game over man, game over !
His campaign manager looks like he's under duress, he's smoking that nail as if his family's been taken hostage, but he's trying to be cool about it. Cain's smile at the end kind of confirms it.
That dude is sinister.

59 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:33:49pm

Alright. I'm going to make a remix of this. Give me half an hour.

60 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:34:15pm

re: #57 darthstar

Hey, he's smoking and Herman Cain hasn't even fucked me yet!

999 moneyshots to go yet baby....

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:35:15pm

Fakakte internet connection!!! Three days of this shit. One minute you're working fine, then the next sixty minutes you move like a throw rug on valium. I give up.

Catch y'all laters.

62 FreedomMoon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:36:28pm

Are we SURE this isn't an SNL bit? A creepy pedo-looking man, mustache and all taking a drag, the creepy leer and smile at the end? I mean, it really is funny.

63 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:37:25pm

re: #60 wozzablog

Hello! *Hug* OT: I appreciate all the lizards. We are the mighty lizard community!

64 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:37:34pm

Hey, what if we run the plane of focus from the tip of Mark's nose to the top of his ears. That way he'll look totally legit.

View in 1080p for maximum damage.

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:38:38pm

If true, I hope none were on aboard when the GOP crammed Sarah Palin as VP down the throats of their dumb, stupid, bigoted electorate.

The GOP deserves exactly what they are getting with these candidates...obama in a landslide.

re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You just know that there are some those in the GOP leadership who are looking at this video and thinking "This guy is our poll leader? This guy is the one who the voters think should be president?"

66 Charleston Chew  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:41:36pm

re: #3 Charles

This guy looks like he's on the brink of some kind of seizure. Maybe he shouldn't smoke.

With all the dark shadows, intense close-ups, and head shaking, I thought this was an ad for a sequal to Jacob's Ladder:

67 Linden Arden  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:41:40pm

Cain writes long endorsement for Tiger Woods as President in 2016

Recently when asked about this Cain said he......you guessed - was just "joking".

68 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:42:17pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Fakakte internet connection!!! Three days of this shit. One minute you're working fine, then the next sixty minutes you move like a throw rug on valium. I give up.

Catch y'all laters.

Dude, I'm living it. Comes included with the rent, therefore it's shit.

69 Charleston Chew  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:43:53pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Strange. I think somebody in his campaign decided to hire their nephew instead of a real marketing firm to make the commercial.

If people didn't hire their nephews, marketing firms wouldn't exist. It's a business seriously lacking in quantifiable results.

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:44:31pm

And from the campaign of a guy who is also a lung cancer survivor. Nice.

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Glasses on crooked — check
Molester 'stache — check
Head shakes no while delivering message, says "I am lying" — check
Nasty drag off cigarette — check
Finish with candidate delivering slow creepsauce smile — check

71 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:45:15pm

Any one know who made this stupid video?

I'm wondering if it might be Little Bonanza Productions LLC.

72 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:45:35pm

Wikileaks Needs You!

73 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:46:04pm

David Frum says "Don't Blame the Young."
It's a good article. I get the feeling he's disgusted by the GOP, but he can't make the leap away from them.
If it weren't for the 'Axis of Evil' crap, I would feel sorry for him.

74 Charleston Chew  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:46:49pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

View in 1080p for maximum damage.

This ad owes Mark Block's face an apology.

75 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:47:56pm

This is officially going in my teaching toolkit on the limitations of cool technology. "See kids, a TS lens all by itself isn't going to magically turn a shitty concept into something worthwhile. By the way there's gauze on the table if anybody gets a nose bleed."

76 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:50:00pm

re: #73 OhNoZombies!

David Frum says "Don't Blame the Young."
It's a good article. I get the feeling he's disgusted by the GOP, but he can't make the leap away from them.

If it weren't for the 'Axis of Evil' crap, I would feel sorry for him.

If he came out and point-blank denounced the GOP, it's a lead-pipe cinch he'd die poor. He put his finger in the fire last year and couldn't backtrack fast enough once they piled on him.

77 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:50:17pm

re: #70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And from the campaign of a guy who is also a lung cancer survivor. Nice.

Colon cancer. Kind of appropriate as this is some malignant shit.

78 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:51:34pm

re: #76 makeitstop

He's in exile as it is.

79 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:52:41pm

re: #65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

If true, I hope none were on aboard when the GOP crammed Sarah Palin as VP down the throats of their dumb, stupid, bigoted electorate.

The GOP deserves exactly what they are getting with these candidates...obama in a landslide.

It's the difference between being picked for the GOP and being picked by them. Palin was the latter, brought onto the McCain ticket as a way of "balancing" it with somebody who tested as being every bit the "conservative" he wasn't.

Meanwhile, Cain is the former and it's become more and more obvious that being an "outsider" is not a point in his favor. Seriously, this ad is something I'd expect to see from a first-time candidate, the guy who's financing his campaign for local office out of his own pockets. If he expects that these sorts of ads will win him the presidency, then you're right, the GOP's gonna watch Cain lose in a manner that will make even Mondale feel sorry for him.

80 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:52:47pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Wikileaks Needs You!

If they need me they are truly screwed.
Image: Just4Julian.jpg

81 jaunte  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:53:45pm
82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:54:28pm

Romney/Christie
Romney/Jeb
Romney/Rubio
Romney/Ryan
Romney/Martinez
Romney/Thune
Perry/Romney

re: #37 Lidane

Start telling the base to STFU and accept Romney?

I honestly have no idea.

83 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:55:28pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Wikileaks Needs You!

[Video]

Yeah, let me get right on that.

84 Charleston Chew  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:55:37pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

You preach your tolerance, but lecture me
Is there no end to your own hypocrisy
Your god is power, you have no shame
Your only interest is political gain

You hide your eyes and refuse to listen
You play your games and abuse the system
You stuff your pockets while Rome is burning
I’ve got a feeling that the tide is turning

The first draft of that song was written by Travis Bickle:

85 avanti  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:55:58pm

Out of curiously I thought I'd see if Hot Air noticed the ad. Sure, enough, it's thread worthy and is generating lots of head scratching. Maybe they are not conservative enough to see the appeal.

86 freetoken  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:56:36pm

re: #15 Charles

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

Because he wants to identify with the people who whine that the nanny state is trying to control our lives by not letting us do what we want?

To convince the tobacco farmers in the southeast to vote for Cain and not Perry or Bachmann?

That's all I got.

87 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:56:57pm

If Herman Cain starts winning primaries, it's because the GOP keeps pandering to these dumb bigots:

Rep. Schweikert (R-AZ) Coddles Birther, Suggests He May ‘Ultimately Be Right’ That Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Fake

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:58:29pm

re: #80 Rightwingconspirator

If they need me they are truly screwed.
Image: Just4Julian.jpg

I think they're fucked. Even with the most generous scenario I can imagine with OWS and anon Wikileaks is toast. Even when things were going relatively well they promised to pay for Bradley Manning's defense. They came up with something pitiful like $10k for a multimillion dollar bill. It's game over for them.

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:59:29pm

All of the world Gop/RNC is malignant at this point.

I can't think of one thing in American conservatism that ISN'T malignant.

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

Colon cancer. Kind of appropriate as this is some malignant shit.

90 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 6:59:57pm

re: #71 Gus 802

Any one know who made this stupid video?

I'm wondering if it might be Little Bonanza Productions LLC.

Hey Charles. This might be the production company. Not sure yet. But this guy has received 100,000s dollars already from the Cain camp. His name is Chris Burgard and is also a contributor to Big Government. He made a movie called "Border" which has a page at the SPLCenter:

Video Vigilantism
Nativist Documentary Coming Back to Life

The lack of drama captured on the Mexican border in the documentary film "Border" is more than made up for by melodrama sparked when its creator, Chris Burgard, travels in 2006 to Washington, D.C. to wander the halls of Congress.

First, he interviews California Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who once called a proposed guest worker program "the foul odor that's coming out of the United States Senate" and argued that it wouldn't really be a problem if all the Mexican farmworkers in America were rounded up and deported because prisoners could pick the nation's fruits and vegetables. True to form, Rohrabacher spouts off about undocumented immigrants using emergency rooms "as if it's their HMO" and overcrowding schools at the expense of "ordinary kids." Next, Burgard arrives at the office of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi. He tries to open the door and — oh no! "It's locked. Oh my lord," Burgard exclaims incredulously, although he had no appointment. And then, bitterly: "Well, it's been a big day. They took down Tom DeLay today."

That comment dates "Border." Burgard shot his film in 2005 and 2006, and it began screening in early 2007. Burgard was briefly a nativist media darling, interviewed by right-wing TV personalities like Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. Burgard also promoted his film by appearing, among other places, at a screening in Hazleton, Pa., known for targeting undocumented immigrants with harsh local laws.

...

Burgard has little use for such mushy-headed sentimentality. Less than a minute later, the camera is back to Simcox. "One hundred nine people with known ties to terrorist groups were caught coming across this border last year," he intones. Simcox offers no evidence for his eyebrow-raising claim, and Burgard doesn't press him for any. "Border Patrol catches one in four. How many of them get in?"

The latest quarterly report from the FEC is available here:

[Link: www.fec.gov...]

Get the October one and you can see Little Bonanza Productions LLC/Chris Burgard all over the place.

91 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:00:02pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

I think they're fucked. Even with the most generous scenario I can imagine with OWS and anon Wikileaks is toast. Even when things were going relatively well they promised to pay for Bradley Manning's defense. They came up with something pitiful like $10k for a multimillion dollar bill. It's game over for them.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

92 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:00:22pm

re: #85 avanti

Out of curiously I thought I'd see if Hot Air noticed the ad. Sure, enough, it's thread worthy and is generating lots of head scratching. Maybe they are not conservative enough to see the appeal.

I've watched it twice -- once with sound and once without. It just makes no damned sense either way. WTF.

Maybe Herman should have used the Marlboro Man instead.

93 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:00:53pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

View in 1080p for maximum damage.

Yeah, I wish. This old relic I have can't handle 1080. Well, at least I'm sure to make quota this month. Now I just need to focus on getting some more sales on top of that. No 'big gun' for me to tag along with on this event, so if there's going to be a big performer, it's going to have to be me.

94 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:01:22pm

re: #89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

All of the world Gop/RNC is malignant at this point.

I can't think of one thing in American conservatism that ISN'T malignant.

Amen.

95 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:01:44pm

re: #87 Lidane

If Herman Cain starts winning primaries, it's because the GOP keeps pandering to these dumb bigots:

Rep. Schweikert (R-AZ) Coddles Birther, Suggests He May ‘Ultimately Be Right’ That Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Fake

He may be right. He might also be the Czarina of Tokyo, but my money is on him being a fucking moron.

96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:02:32pm

Whole

re: #89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

world

97 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:06:44pm

re: #15 Charles

His campaign decided to put that clip in the video. These things don't happen by accident -- there was a rationale behind it, I'm sure.

I just can't figure out what the fuck it could possibly be.

Maybe he's trying to pull off the whole "Smoking Man" thing from the XFiles. Ya know, like he's really pulling all the strings and knows all kinds of shit we don't know. Very spooky.

98 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:06:48pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I wish. This old relic I have can't handle 1080. Well, at least I'm sure to make quota this month. Now I just need to focus on getting some more sales on top of that. No 'big gun' for me to tag along with on this event, so if there's going to be a big performer, it's going to have to be me.

Fortune favors the bold.

99 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:07:08pm

re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Zzzzzzzz.

//

100 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:08:31pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Hey Charles. This might be the production company. Not sure yet. But this guy has received 100,000s dollars already from the Cain camp. His name is Chris Burgard and is also a contributor to Big Government. He made a movie called "Border" which has a page at the SPLCenter:

Video Vigilantism
Nativist Documentary Coming Back to Life

The latest quarterly report from the FEC is available here:

[Link: www.fec.gov...]

Get the October one and you can see Little Bonanza Productions LLC/Chris Burgard all over the place.

Looks like that movie was also popular with the Stormfront crowd.

101 jaunte  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:08:42pm

Mark Block apparently had a three-year political timeout back at the end of the 1990's.

Mark Block managed the 1997 election campaign of Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Jon P. Wilcox. Wilcox won the election, and Block was later charged with illegal coordination with the political activities of Wisconsin Citizens for Voter Participation. During that period the constitutionality of the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program was facing a legal challenge. If Wilcox's opponent Walt Kelley had been elected the Milwaukee program might have been ruled unconstitutional. .

Block reached a settlement to end litigation by paying a $15,000 fine and agreeing to a three-year ban on volunteer or paid political activity. Brent Pickens, a former Wisconsin State Assembly staffer who was running Wisconsin Citizens for Voter Participation, ended related litigation against him by agreeing to pay a $15,000 fine. Pickens also agreed to avoid political activity for five years.

102 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:09:32pm

re: #99 Gus 802

Zzzz.

//

So you were watching the Jacksonville/Baltimore game too?

///

103 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:10:02pm

Perry proposes 20 percent flat tax

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry unveiled a sweeping economic agenda Monday highlighted by a plan to level a voluntary 20 percent "flat tax" on all taxpayers who will accept it in place of what they're paying now.

The plan, outlined in a Wall Street Journal op-ed column a day before the Texas governor was set to unveil it in South Carolina, also calls for capping federal spending at 18 percent of the country's GDP while allowing younger earners to privatize their Social Security accounts. Taxpayers who don't want to pay a 20 percent flat income tax, he said, can keep their current rate.

104 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:11:04pm

re: #102 Lidane

So you were watching the Jacksonville/Baltimore game too?

///

I need 25 points from Ray Rice tonight or I'm toast.

105 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:11:30pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The flat tax is one of the stupidest ideas out there, along with ending the fed and returning to the gold standard.

Economic illiteracy at its worst.

106 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:11:34pm

I just watched that "Hoarders" show and I'm hauling out the black garbage bags. WTF am I doing with this entire bookcase full of 10-15 year old computer manuals? Adobe CS3? Windows NT MSCE? VBScript and PL/SQL which I work with every day and I haven't cracked open any of these books in 10 years?

These doorstops are in the garbage tomorrow.

107 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:12:23pm

Not to mention that "Hoarders" is a one-hour commercial for the blue truck trash removal service.

108 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:12:34pm

Nothing says " Hi I'm a con man" more than that slow smile Cain gave at the end of the video.

109 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:13:02pm

re: #105 Lidane

The flat tax is one of the stupidest ideas out there, along with ending the fed and returning to the gold standard.

Economic illiteracy at its worst.

FUCK THE POOR!

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:13:51pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry proposes 20 percent flat tax

So Cain supports his 999 "Fair Tax" plan while Perry supports a 20% "Flat Tax" plan.

Mongo's head hurts.

111 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:14:01pm

I would not be surprised.

HC is in tight -- or apparently aspires to be in tight -- with the Chris Simcox/Arpaio Contingent of the bigot GOP.

Dumb, stupid conservative bigots...this is how they aim to split The Black VoteTM? hahahaha

And Black cons wonder why so many call them slavecatchers.

re: #90 Gus 802

Hey Charles. This might be the production company. Not sure yet. But this guy has received 100,000s dollars already from the Cain camp. His name is Chris Burgard and is also a contributor to Big Government. He made a movie called "Border" which has a page at the SPLCenter:

Video Vigilantism
Nativist Documentary Coming Back to Life

The latest quarterly report from the FEC is available here:

[Link: www.fec.gov...]

Get the October one and you can see Little Bonanza Productions LLC/Chris Burgard all over the place.

112 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:14:43pm

re: #104 im_gumby_damnit

I need 25 points from Ray Rice tonight or I'm toast.

My boyfriend needs 8 points to win his game. He's got Jones-Drew from Jacksonville and Boldin from Baltimore. If he ends up getting 5 points from both of these jokers, it will be a goddamn miracle.

113 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:14:52pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

I think they're fucked. Even with the most generous scenario I can imagine with OWS and anon Wikileaks is toast. Even when things were going relatively well they promised to pay for Bradley Manning's defense. They came up with something pitiful like $10k for a multimillion dollar bill. It's game over for them.

And Good Riddance to them. My take on the impending fall of Wikileaks:

114 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:15:23pm

re: #97 im_gumby_damnit

Maybe he's trying to pull off the whole "Smoking Man" thing from the XFiles. Ya know, like he's really pulling all the strings and knows all kinds of shit we don't know. Very spooky.

Typical Republicans. Making cultural references that are so old as to be completely irrelevant.

115 jaunte  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:15:30pm

re: #108 Tigger2

Nothing says " Hi I'm a con man" more than that slow smile Cain gave at the end of the video.

I was just reading this when you posted:

One of the qualities that makes Herman Cain attractive to many Republican voters is his breezy, unshakable confidence. Whatever criticism he gets, he deflects it with a smile that indicates complete self-assurance.
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

116 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:15:57pm

I was thinking about the commercial from the earlier thread, and the Grinch that Stole Christmas smile from this one...
He's the stripper on the pole giving them what they think they want. He's making the bigots feel powerful and right. So they throw dollar bills at him.
Not that I know anything about strippers.

117 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:16:02pm

re: #108 Tigger2

Nothing says " Hi I'm a con man" more than that slow smile Cain gave at the end of the video.

The sly grin of a man who's going to try to fuck your wife while you're out of town.

118 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:16:11pm

re: #107 Alouette

Not to mention that "Hoarders" is a one-hour commercial for the blue truck trash removal service.

My freezer failure is taking up most of my weekly garbage allotment. Very frustrating. The first thing I'm going to do when I'm financially stable is order a dumpster and throw away (almost) everything I own.

119 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:17:21pm

re: #112 Lidane

My boyfriend needs 8 points to win his game. He's got Jones-Drew from Jacksonville and Boldin from Baltimore. If he ends up getting 5 points from both of these jokers, it will be a goddamn miracle.

Man, good luck with that!

120 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:17:37pm

re: #115 jaunte

I was just reading this when you posted:

LOL, that fits Cain pretty well.

121 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:18:00pm

Was it produced by the ghost of Andy Kaufman?

122 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:18:40pm

re: #106 Alouette

I just watched that "Hoarders" show and I'm hauling out the black garbage bags.

Next to my financial stress, Hoarders helped to get me off my ass and start selling everything I could on eBay and Amazon. If I don't need it to survive and I don't have any sentimental attachment to it, off it goes for sale.

123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:19:18pm

Fxd

re: #105 Lidane

The flat tax is one of the stupidest ideas out there, along with ending the fed and returning to the gold standard.

Economic illiteracy Conservative stupidity at its worst.

124 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:19:40pm

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The sly grin of a man who's going to try to fuck your wife while you're out of town.

HA HA, that's not a con man that's a man that's going to get hurt real bad and just doesn't know it yet..

125 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:20:39pm

re: #109 Alouette

FUCK THE POOR!

That would be the malignant motto of the GOP.

126 jaunte  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:20:46pm

re: #120 Tigger2

This is from the NYT piece linked:

In general, however, you should not take assertive and confident people at their own evaluation unless you have independent reason to believe that they know what they are talking about. Unfortunately, this advice is difficult to follow: overconfident professionals sincerely believe they have expertise, act as experts and look like experts. You will have to struggle to remind yourself that they may be in the grip of an illusion. [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

With Cain, it's not such a struggle.

127 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:21:32pm

That reminds me. Check out this cartoon...

[Link: www.npr.org...]

128 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:21:51pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

My freezer failure is taking up most of my weekly garbage allotment. Very frustrating. The first thing I'm going to do when I'm financially stable is order a dumpster and throw away (almost) everything I own.

I can't believe how many Flash MX manuals I have (had, they are all in the trash now) And I never really even used Flash.

129 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:22:09pm

re: #127 Gus 802

That reminds me. Check out this cartoon...

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Or click here...

Image: judge_custom.jpg

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:22:15pm

re: #106 Alouette

I just watched that "Hoarders" show and I'm hauling out the black garbage bags. WTF am I doing with this entire bookcase full of 10-15 year old computer manuals? Adobe CS3? Windows NT MSCE? VBScript and PL/SQL which I work with every day and I haven't cracked open any of these books in 10 years?

These doorstops are in the garbage tomorrow.

I saw a woman in a car today that literally had just enough room for her. The garbage, which reached up high enough to probably impede her view somewhat, was even in the passenger seat.

Mental illness made visible.

131 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:23:01pm

re: #124 Tigger2

HA HA, that's not a con man that's a man that's going to get hurt real bad and just doesn't know it yet..

I never said he was going to get away with it.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:24:31pm

re: #116 OhNoZombies!

I was thinking about the commercial from the earlier thread, and the Grinch that Stole Christmas smile from this one...
He's the stripper on the pole giving them what they think they want. He's making the bigots feel powerful and right. So they throw dollar bills at him.
Not that I know anything about strippers.

I think it's interesting that so many posters identify the look as sexual, but whether he's the, er, effER or effEE seems to be up for interpretation.

133 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:25:07pm

re: #126 jaunte

"Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."
-George Costanza

134 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:25:08pm

re: #130 EmmmieG

I saw a woman in a car today that literally had just enough room for her. The garbage, which reached up high enough to probably impede her view somewhat, was even in the passenger seat.

Mental illness made visible.

We have a serious book hoarding problem. Well, Zedushka does now, anyway.

Fuck a bunch of Windows NT manuals. Got a bunch of CDs here: "Backup 1-31-2002"

Oh look at this. My university diploma.

135 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:25:42pm

Camtasia is being an ass. The remix will have to wait until tomorrow.

136 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:26:44pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

I noticed that too !
I think he's definitely the Effer.

137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:27:15pm

re: #134 Alouette

We have a serious book hoarding problem. Well, Zedushka does now, anyway.

Fuck a bunch of Windows NT manuals. Got a bunch of CDs here: "Backup 1-31-2002"

Oh look at this. My university diploma.

Book hoarding isn't hoarding.

Because I said so. It's um...increasing the atmospheric IQ of your house.

Actually, you can get rid of old manuals. Also, if you bought it for a college course and didn't read it then, you could probably get rid of it.

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:27:36pm

Your nightly quotient of kitteh!

139 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:28:54pm

re: #138 ggt

Your nightly quotient of kitteh!

*drops into a diabetic stupor*

140 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:29:01pm

re: #134 Alouette

We have a serious book hoarding problem. Well, Zedushka does now, anyway.

Fuck a bunch of Windows NT manuals. Got a bunch of CDs here: "Backup 1-31-2002"

Oh look at this. My university diploma.

I still have a C+ textbook on my bookshelf. (In case that XFiles reference didn't date me, this post surely will.)

141 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:29:18pm

re: #138 ggt

Your nightly quotient of kitteh!

Gotta love how blase about the the whole thing the cat is...

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:29:37pm

re: #140 im_gumby_damnit

I still have a C+ textbook on my bookshelf. (In case that XFiles reference didn't date me, this post surely will.)

One plus?

143 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:29:48pm

re: #140 im_gumby_damnit

I still have a C+ textbook on my bookshelf. (In case that XFiles reference didn't date me, this post surely will.)

I threw out all my old Fortran and COBOL manuals during the last anti-hoarding rampage, around Y2K.

144 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:30:54pm

I got my degree in Computer Science when we had to program on punch cards. Fucking punch cards!

145 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:31:44pm

re: #144 Alouette

I got my degree in Computer Science when we had to program on punch cards. Fucking punch cards!

How do they work?!

///

146 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:32:11pm
147 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:32:15pm

re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How do they work?!

///

They work like magnets!

148 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:32:16pm

re: #142 EmmmieG

One plus?

Yes. I'm that old!

149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:32:52pm

re: #144 Alouette

I remember my father bringing home some computer paper (big stuff, holes on both sides) on which had been printed out a picture of a cat using characters.

We were less impressed than we should have been. We did like it when he brought home big stacks of paper that had been printed on one side and we used the back sides to draw out our stories.

My sister and I always had a room knee-deep in paper.

150 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:35:05pm

re: #144 Alouette

I got my degree in Computer Science when we had to program on punch cards. Fucking punch cards!

Thankfully, I just missed that era!

151 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:35:31pm

re: #149 EmmmieG

My sister and I always had a room knee-deep in paper.

Did you ever clean out all that paper? What did you find underneath it?

152 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:37:00pm

re: #151 Alouette

Did you ever clean out all that paper? What did you find underneath it?

Oh, everything else. Paper, being light, rises to the top. Clothes, being dense, especially if they are wet towels, sink to the bottom.

153 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:37:41pm

re: #149 EmmmieG

I remember my father bringing home some computer paper (big stuff, holes on both sides) on which had been printed out a picture of a cat using characters.

We were less impressed than we should have been. We did like it when he brought home big stacks of paper that had been printed on one side and we used the back sides to draw out our stories.

My sister and I always had a room knee-deep in paper.

Lord, you're making me feel old, and I'm only 27. I still remember dot matrix printers...and 56K modems...and 1GB HDDs...good lord, I'm going to be telling me grandkids what it was like when we got the internet through a phone line.

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:38:22pm

And while I'm posting videos, here's one from New Zealand. Lewis Machine and Tool's LMT 308 MWS Designated Marksman's Rifle has already been adopted in the UK and now the Kiwis are taking it into service. Here's a video on the new model for New Zealand:

And the LMT MWS has civilian legal variants available for sale right here in the US. So if you want a high quality 308 semi-auto, you can buy a one used by some very good armies.

155 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:38:22pm

White supremacist James Edwards gloats about the attention he's getting, due to Pat Buchanan's appearance on his vile radio show:

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

The fact of the matter is, despite all of the hysterics from the creeps listed above, I basically get on the radio each week and politely espouse a viewpoint that would have been considered to be perfectly acceptable and mainstream during the 1950s. Make no mistake about it, that generation was superior to ours by every standard of measurement. In fact, by their righteous standards, I might have even been considered to be a social moderate.

Of course, the hate groups here in America loathe the Western culture of faith and family that defined our country only a few short decades ago. If I’m a “racist” because I think my grandparents were right, and America was better off then than we are now, then so be it.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:39:03pm

re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Lord, you're making me feel old, and I'm only 27. I still remember dot matrix printers...and 56K modems...and 1GB HDDs...good lord, I'm going to be telling me grandkids what it was like when we got the internet through a phone line.

I'm way older than you. I remember getting a microwave. I remember our first computer. (No modem. There was nothing for our computer to say to other computers.) I remember phones with cords.

157 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:39:37pm

re: #152 EmmmieG

Oh, everything else. Paper, being light, rises to the top. Clothes, being dense, especially if they are wet towels, sink to the bottom.

The "Hoarders" program is voyeuristic. I don't think I will watch it again. These people are really mentally ill. It makes normal people with moderate-to-serious hoarding problems think to themselves "I'm not that bad, I only collect books/cookbooks/canned goods/batteries/beercans..."

158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:40:32pm

re: #155 Charles

White supremacist James Edwards gloats about the attention he's getting, due to Pat Buchanan's appearance on his vile radio show:

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

That screed has more projection than an IMAX theater.

159 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:40:54pm

re: #82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Romney/Christie
Romney/Jeb
Romney/Rubio
Romney/Ryan
Romney/Martinez
Romney/Thune
Perry/Romney

i've been trying to predict tickets for decades. republican presidential nominees, practically trivial to predict. democratic or republican vice presidential nominees, never been able to guess correctly

i'd only rule out romney/pawlenty because it sounds like something made with oatmeal. romney/rubio is all about rubio, who in any case was caught lying about his parent's reason for leaving cuba. romney/ryan is Rino and the Medicare Killer

romney/thune sounds more like it to me, but watch how any ticket i guess never comes to pass...

160 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:41:09pm

re: #115 jaunte

I was just reading this when you posted:

"One of the qualities that makes Herman Cain attractive to many Republican voters is his breezy, unshakable confidence. Whatever criticism he gets, he deflects it with a smile that indicates complete self-assurance. "

Conservative cultural note: this manner can only work for a Black conservative -- any nonwhite con, really -- if they routinely trash other nonwhites, with a preferable focus on Black immorality and lack of intelligence.

Otherwise they get out the hemprope against you for being an Uppity Arrogant.

Don't take my word for it, ask Obama and Michelle. Conservative views on race have not advanced much beyond where they were 100 years ago.

161 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:41:17pm

re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Lord, you're making me feel old, and I'm only 27. I still remember dot matrix printers...and 56K modems...and 1GB HDDs...good lord, I'm going to be telling me grandkids what it was like when we got the internet through a phone line.

Zedushka once spent $500 on a 40MB HD. This was in 1989.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:41:25pm

re: #157 Alouette

The "Hoarders" program is voyeuristic. I don't think I will watch it again. These people are really mentally ill. It makes normal people with moderate-to-serious hoarding problems think to themselves "I'm not that bad, I only collect books/cookbooks/canned goods/batteries/beercans..."

We joke that if you removed the walls of my parents' house, the house shape would still be there, but my parents are still normal. They have too much stuff, but it's okay stuff, not garbage.

Okay, the 40 years worth of National Geographics should go, but the 10 sewing machines and I-don't-know rifles are not garbage.

163 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:42:06pm

re: #144 Alouette

I got my degree in Computer Science when we had to program on punch cards. Fucking punch cards!

i would never have made it if i had to submit punch cards

i couldn't have learned to code if i had a 12 hour turnaround before learning what my compile errors were

164 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:42:29pm

We only cleaned our basement last year when there was a flood. We really did have to call the blue truck guys.

165 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:43:01pm

re: #163 engineer dog

i would never have made it if i had to submit punch cards

i couldn't have learned to code if i had a 12 hour turnaround before learning what my compile errors were

I think everyone's heard the story about the guy who had his semester project to turn in and dropped the cards.

They weren't numbered.

166 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:43:13pm

re: #156 EmmmieG

I'm way older than you. I remember getting a microwave. I remember our first computer. (No modem. There was nothing for our computer to say to other computers.) I remember phones with cords.

I remember phones with cords. Or when cordless phones had the foot-long collapsible antennas. Hell, I even remember when having a car phone was a stereotypical "rich" thing, the sort of thing you boasted about as a sign of wealth. And the "brick" cellphones that the guys on Wall Street lugged around to show how "important" they were.

167 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:43:47pm

re: #155 Charles

White supremacist James Edwards gloats about the attention he's getting, due to Pat Buchanan's appearance on his vile radio show:

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

Just saw this on Twitter...

@DavidDuke2012 DavidDuke2012
Pat Buchanan on The Political Cesspool 10/22/2011 Pat Buchanan rejoins The Political Cesspool to discus...

168 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:44:20pm

re: #167 Gus 802

Just saw this on Twitter...

@DavidDuke2012 DavidDuke2012
Pat Buchanan on The Political Cesspool 10/22/2011 Pat Buchanan rejoins The Political Cesspool to discus...

And this...

@StormfrontWPWW Don Black
Breaking News: Video: Pat Buchanan on Political Cesspool Radio: Here is the clip from Buchanan's most recent vis...

169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:44:46pm

Yep, they're white conservative bigots.

re: #155 Charles

White supremacist James Edwards gloats about the attention he's getting, due to Pat Buchanan's appearance on his vile radio show:

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

170 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:45:22pm

Advanced Armament Corp. has named their latest project after an YouTube sensation. Meet the Honey Badger.

171 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:45:30pm

re: #163 engineer dog

i would never have made it if i had to submit punch cards

i couldn't have learned to code if i had a 12 hour turnaround before learning what my compile errors were

Ain't that the truth. If there's one thing programming taught me, it was attention to detail. Tiny little mistakes (like a misplaced semicolon) could cost you hours and hours.

172 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:46:25pm

re: #164 Alouette

We only cleaned our basement last year when there was a flood. We really did have to call the blue truck guys.

I may need them after the cleaning I've started. But so far so good, as I've got my painting workspace clear again.

173 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:46:33pm

we didn't even have zeros. we took ones and bent them

174 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:46:44pm

re: #144 Alouette

I got my degree in Computer Science when we had to program on punch cards. Fucking punch cards!

And I remember punching those cards.
And having lots and lots and lots of "confetti".

175 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:46:56pm

Pfft, it's spectator sport, not prediction. Part of the fun is finding out how compeletly and totally off you were :p

re: #159 engineer dog

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:48:03pm

re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Lord, you're making me feel old, and I'm only 27. I still remember dot matrix printers...and 56K modems...and 1GB HDDs...good lord, I'm going to be telling me grandkids what it was like when we got the internet through a phone line.

One gig? My first hard drive was in an IBM XT I got out of a pawn shop. 10 mb 5 1/4" Full Height Seagate MFM. 640 kb RAM and a Herc Graphics card. After that beast, the 40 mb SCSI drive I hooked up to an Amiga 500 (a full meg of RAM!) was pure luxury.

177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:49:17pm

How many brown people on the other side of the world are they supposed to kill, each?

I want to know if I'm getting my dollar's worth.

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Advanced Armament Corp. has named their latest project after an YouTube sensation. Meet the Honey Badger.

178 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:50:02pm

I posted about this site maybe 2 years ago?

Leadership : American Third Position

James Edwards is there as director.

James Edwards is best known as the creator and primary host of The Political Cesspool Radio Program, an award-winning broadcast that has gained national attention for conducting interviews featuring columnist Pat Buchanan, author Jerome Corsi, rocker Ted Nugent, and countless other headliners and newsmakers. Mr. Edwards has made numerous appearances on CNN, while the show itself has been the subject of articles in the Los Angeles Times, the London Times, Newsweek, and many other major print publications.

James has been named an “Honorary City Councilman” by the City of Memphis, Tennessee, while his radio program received a certificate of recognition from the same city council for “Outstanding Contributions to the Community.” He has also served as a newspaper contributor and is a licensed pilot.

Is the still an “Honorary City Councilman” by the City of Memphis, Tennessee?

WTF is wrong with this country?

179 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:50:18pm

re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Lord, you're making me feel old, and I'm only 27. I still remember dot matrix printers...and 56K modems...and 1GB HDDs...good lord, I'm going to be telling me grandkids what it was like when we got the internet through a phone line.

What would you give to tell Tesla about wireless data? Heh. "Sorry dude, the wireless power source did not ever work out but let me show you this!"

180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:50:50pm

The original hanging chads.

re: #174 reine.de.tout

And I remember punching those cards.
And having lots and lots and lots of "confetti".

181 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:51:01pm

re: #179 Rightwingconspirator

What would you give to tell Tesla about wireless data? Heh. "Sorry dude, the wireless power source did not ever work out but let me show you this!"

You can win an argument about who starred in a sitcom from ten years ago in fifteen seconds! Amazing, isn't it?

182 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:53:14pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout

And I remember punching those cards.
And having lots and lots and lots of "confetti".

I wasn't around back then, but I do remember having to use about 32 floppy disks to install an early version of MS Office. I did that twice, with the second time being the worse one because I knew how long it would take. That was also before I learned to bring something to read when going to do such jobs.

183 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:53:25pm

James Edwards is just another white conservative skinhead in a suit.

Filthy confederate.

re: #178 Gus 802

I posted about this site maybe 2 years ago?

Leadership : American Third Position

James Edwards is there as director.

Is the still an “Honorary City Councilman” by the City of Memphis, Tennessee?

WTF is wrong with this country?

184 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:53:25pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Typical Republicans. Making cultural references that are so old as to be completely irrelevant.

Whuut? Did you just call the X Files irrelevant?

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:54:43pm

Thoughts about this sentence?: Jews have been persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when scapegoats were needed to take the fall for the sins of bankers and financiers.

186 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:54:52pm

re: #177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How many brown people on the other side of the world are they supposed to kill, each?

I want to know if I'm getting my dollar's worth.

WTH is that?

187 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:55:44pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

Wow did anybody else find that slow smile at the end creepy?

Between the smoking and the smile, I was wondering if he was going to quote the Lauran Bacall line from "To Have and Have Not":

You don't have to say anything, and you don't have to do anything. Not a thing. Oh, maybe just whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you, Steve? You just put your lips together and... blow.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:57:35pm

re: #187 celticdragon

Between the smoking and the smile, I was wondering if he was going to quote the Lauran Bacall line from "To Have and Have Not":

He's just not as sexy as Lauren Bacall. Not even slightly so.

189 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:58:01pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoughts about this sentence?: Jews have been persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when scapegoats were needed to take the fall for the sins of bankers and financiers.

Where is it from? It is apt, I can say that. "The Jew" made a very easy target, and still does in some circles. It could also have been used to offer non-Jewish bankers a way to deflect hostility.

190 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:58:13pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

He's just not as sexy as Lauren Bacall. Not even slightly so.

Well that can hardly be held against him. 99.99999999999% of the world's population is less sexy than Lauren Bacall.

191 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:58:19pm

re: #183 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

James Edwards is just another white conservative skinhead in a suit.

Filthy confederate.

The CEO of that nationalist group is William D. Johnson. Here's what I got at the FEC.

Another Republican.

Presented by the Federal Election Commission

Individual Contributions Arranged By Type, Giver, Then Recipient

Contributions to Political Committees

JOHNSON, WILLIAM D MR
LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
JOHNSON & ASSOCIATES/ATTORNEY

PAUL, RAND
VIA RAND PAUL FOR US SENATE 2010
08/25/2010 200.00 10020820924

JOHNSON, WILLIAM D MR.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90071

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
VIA BUCHANAN REFORM INC
10/07/1999 1000.00 20990023902
01/17/2000 300.00 20990043841

JOHNSON, WILLIAM D MR.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
SELF/ATTORNEY

BUCHANAN, PATRICK J
VIA BUCHANAN REFORM INC
09/28/1999 500.00 20990194580
01/17/2000 300.00 20990043841

JOHNSON, WILLIAM D.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
JOHNSON & ASSOCIATES/LAWYER

LIBERTY PAC
02/21/2011 500.00 11932050907
03/18/2011 250.00 11932050999

PAUL, RON
VIA RON PAUL 2012 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE INC.
05/15/2011 500.00 11931927742
06/05/2011 500.00 11931928361
09/01/2011 500.00 11952634712
09/22/2011 201.00 11952636823
09/28/2011 200.00 11952637555

JOHNSON, WILLIAM D.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
JOHNSON & CROWDER/LAWYER

PAUL, RON
VIA RON PAUL 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
05/07/2007 2300.00 27930927937

PAUL, RONALD E.
VIA COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT RON PAUL
11/15/2007 1000.00 28931697605

Total Contributions: 8251.00

TRY A: NEW QUERY
RETURN TO: FEC HOME PAGE

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:58:30pm

re: #87 Lidane

If Herman Cain starts winning primaries, it's because the GOP keeps pandering to these dumb bigots:

Rep. Schweikert (R-AZ) Coddles Birther, Suggests He May ‘Ultimately Be Right’ That Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Fake

Arizona, of course

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:59:39pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Where is it from? It is apt, I can say that. "The Jew" made a very easy target, and still does in some circles. It could also have been used to offer non-Jewish bankers a way to deflect hostility.

It's from a Facebook statement about rejecting anti-Semitism at OWS, and I'm trying to figure out what I think about it.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:00:07pm

re: #190 EmmmieG

Well that can hardly be held against him. 99.99999999999% of the world's population is less sexy than Lauren Bacall.

True. But he's not...cute enough to make up for not being as sexy as Bacall, you know what I mean?

195 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:00:19pm

re: #191 Gus 802

The CEO of that nationalist group is William D. Johnson. Here's what I got at the FEC.

Another Republican.

Here's his law office website:

[Link: loslaw.com...]

196 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:00:31pm

re: #179 Rightwingconspirator

What would you give to tell Tesla about wireless data? Heh. "Sorry dude, the wireless power source did not ever work out but let me show you this!"

Oh, I'm not counting wireless energy out yet. It probably won't look anything like Tesla imagined, but it's still a very real possibility.

Really, though, I have this feeling that Tesla wouldn't be too shocked by it all. Considering his imagination, he might just nod and say "I thought of it first."

197 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:00:56pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

True. But he's not...cute enough to make up for not being as sexy as Bacall, you know what I mean?

Yep.

198 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:00:59pm

re: #186 Rightwingconspirator

WTH is that?

She has a serious dislike of the defense industry.

I'm posting things I find on soldiersystems.net as a way to showcase some of the latest and greatest in military gear. I use this site almost every day for my research.

199 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:01:25pm

Helluva a baseball game going on in Texas. All tied up heading into bottom of the 8th.

200 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:01:42pm

re: #58 OhNoZombies!

What the deuce!?! Game over man, game over !
His campaign manager looks like he's under duress, he's smoking that nail as if his family's been taken hostage, but he's trying to be cool about it. Cain's smile at the end kind of confirms it.
That dude is sinister.

Extra upding for Hudson refference from Aliens.


Hudson: I'm ready, man, check it out. I am the ultimate badass! State of the badass art! You do NOT wanna fuck with me. Check it out! Hey Ripley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate badasses will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:02:43pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

It's from a Facebook statement about rejecting anti-Semitism at OWS, and I'm trying to figure out what I think about it.

It sounds like a statement overly hostile to the financial industry, but not religiously or ethnically bigoted. At worst, it is simply wrong in some regards, but it is well within the bounds of decent discourse.

202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:04:23pm

Eh, same thing that has always been the bane of the country's/hemisphere's existence; venal, murderous, white conservative antisemitic bigots, of which James Edwards and Pat Buchanan are only two among many generations.

re: #178 Gus 802

WTF is wrong with this country?

203 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:06:01pm

what the hell was that

204 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:06:22pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

She has a serious dislike of the defense industry.

I'm posting things I find on soldiersystems.net as a way to showcase some of the latest and greatest in military gear. I use this site almost every day for my research.

The racial assumption there is quite striking, as striking as it is unnecessarily provocative.

205 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:07:09pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

She has a serious dislike of the defense industry.

I'm posting things I find on soldiersystems.net as a way to showcase some of the latest and greatest in military gear. I use this site almost every day for my research.

Here's the company that makes that alleged Army weapon...

[Link: www.advanced-armament.com...]

They also sell t-shirts. Seems a little. How do I put it. Weird.

206 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:07:24pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoughts about this sentence?: Jews have been persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when scapegoats were needed to take the fall for the sins of bankers and financiers.

One of the few industries allowed Jews in Western Europe was money lending within their own neighborhoods.

207 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:07:38pm

Hey, since we're on computer jokes, and pardon me if I've told this one before (I'm the wife, daughter, and granddaughter of electrical engineers), but...

Satan challenged Jesus to a programming contest. It was to last 24 hours, and God would be the judge. The day arrived, and they both sat down at their computers, typing frantically. At 23 hours and 45 minutes, the power flickered. The computers turned off and then on again.

Satan wailed. Jesus calmly inserted a floppy disk (it's a joke without surge protectors, so it also has floppy disks), and then took it up to God, who pronounced him the winner.

"But...how..." Satan was sputtering.

God looked at him calmly. "Jesus saves."

208 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:07:55pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Here's the company that makes that alleged Army weapon...

[Link: www.advanced-armament.com...]

They also sell t-shirts. Seems a little. How do I put it. Weird.

Seriously. Have a look at this. Something don't smell right here.

209 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:08:50pm

re: #171 im_gumby_damnit

Ain't that the truth. If there's one thing programming taught me, it was attention to detail. Tiny little mistakes (like a misplaced semicolon) could cost you hours and hours.

Problem coding? Why not Zoidberg?

(V)(;,,;)(V)

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:09:05pm

re: #203 SpaceJesus

what the hell was that

Probably another quake in Berkeley. I've missed two out of the last three.

211 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:09:13pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Advanced Armament Corp. has named their latest project after an YouTube sensation. Meet the Honey Badger.

Christmas is coming... ;)

That is going on my "Santa Please!" list.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:09:40pm

re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How do they work?!

///

MAGNETS!

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:09:56pm

re: #206 prairiefire

One of the few industries allowed Jews in Western Europe was money lending within their own neighborhoods.

I wrote a novel about that, last November. Well, I wrote a novel about a lady moneylender in England in 1203.

214 palomino  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:10:28pm

re: #155 Charles

White supremacist James Edwards gloats about the attention he's getting, due to Pat Buchanan's appearance on his vile radio show:

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

I hope that mofo lives long enough to see whites become the minority in America. His rhetoric is toxic. I assume he's so over the top in part because he knows that his fantasy retrograde America isn't ever coming back. And it scares the hell out of him.

To me, the rapidly changing demographics are just one more step in the evolution(!) of America. Nothing to be afraid of, indeed it's the melting pot ideal that many of us embrace.

215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:10:33pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

She has a serious dislike of the defense industry.

Er, no, I enjoy laughing at weapons ocd.

Don't ever speak in my stead again, Perry/Cain constituent. You're not qualified.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:10:53pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

Hey, since we're on computer jokes, and pardon me if I've told this one before (I'm the wife, daughter, and granddaughter of electrical engineers), but...

Satan challenged Jesus to a programming contest. It was to last 24 hours, and God would be the judge. The day arrived, and they both sat down at their computers, typing frantically. At 23 hours and 45 minutes, the power flickered. The computers turned off and then on again.

Satan wailed. Jesus calmly inserted a floppy disk (it's a joke without surge protectors, so it also has floppy disks), and then took it up to God, who pronounced him the winner.

"But...how..." Satan was sputtering.

God looked at him calmly. "Jesus saves."

Abraham wanted to upgrade his old .386 PC to Windows XP.

His son Isaac, was horrified, and exclaimed: "Pop, you can't run Windows XP on your ancient 386. Everyone knows you need a Pentium III processor and 128 megabytes (MB) of RAM for that! What are you thinking???

But Abraham, a man of faith, gazed calmly at Isaac and said, "Do not worry, my son, God will provide the RAM."

217 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:11:47pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Here's the company that makes that alleged Army weapon...

[Link: www.advanced-armament.com...]

They also sell t-shirts. Seems a little. How do I put it. Weird.

Getting people to pay for your advertising is actually pretty smart.

218 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:11:54pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Here's the company that makes that alleged Army weapon...

[Link: www.advanced-armament.com...]

They also sell t-shirts. Seems a little. How do I put it. Weird.

Looks like they are jumping on the rock musician fashion clothing branding trend. Badly.

219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:12:25pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Abraham wanted to upgrade his old .386 PC to Windows XP.

His son Isaac, was horrified, and exclaimed: "Pop, you can't run Windows XP on your ancient 386. Everyone knows you need a Pentium III processor and 128 megabytes (MB) of RAM for that! What are you thinking???

But Abraham, a man of faith, gazed calmly at Isaac and said, "Do not worry, my son, God will provide the RAM."

A engineer, a mathematician, and a physicists were put on one side of a room, and a pretty girl was put on the other side. They were told that every ten minutes, they could go exactly half the distance to the girl.

The mathematician and the physicist left, because they knew that they would never reach her.

The engineer stayed, because he knew he could get close enough to show her the advanced functions on his new calculator.

220 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:12:45pm

Gov Rick "Jobs Jobs Jobs" Scott to reject money he applied for

The state submitted an application for up to $100 million Wednesday. The early learning grants are part of President Barack Obama’s Race to the Top program. [...]

Scott issued a statement saying the state would not accept the money if it came with requirements that include any state funding or future legislative action.

Scott’s protestations aside, Florida could benefit from new investments in early childhood education. According to the National Institute for Early Education Research’s State of Preschool 2010 report, “Florida has one of the nation’s highest percentages of 4-year-olds in preschool programs…but state and local spending on those programs is among the worst in the nation.”

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:13:27pm

re: #155 Charles

Make no mistake about it, that generation was superior to ours by every standard of measurement. In fact, by their righteous standards, I might have even been considered to be a social moderate.

These People?

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:13:44pm

Rotfl crop circles.

So "advanced", they are e_e

re: #208 Gus 802

Seriously. Have a look at this. Something don't smell right here.

223 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:13:44pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Here's the company that makes that alleged Army weapon...

[Link: www.advanced-armament.com...]

They also sell t-shirts. Seems a little. How do I put it. Weird.

The Army isn't using it yet. AAC plans to market it as a replacement for the MP-5 series of weapons, in part because it is based on the Stoner design used in the M-16/M4 and M110 rifles. I'm not if it will even get a major order, but I kind of liked them calling it the Honey Badger.

224 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:13:54pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

I wrote a novel about that, last November. Well, I wrote a novel about a lady moneylender in England in 1203.

Did she hang out and converse with the anchoress who was too busy gossiping to bother with prayer?

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:14:08pm

re: #156 EmmmieG

I'm way older than you. I remember getting a microwave. I remember our first computer. (No modem. There was nothing for our computer to say to other computers.) I remember phones with cords.

I remember B&W TV, I remember our first calculator.

I remember, manual typewriters too!

226 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:14:23pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

She has a serious dislike of the defense industry.

I'm posting things I find on soldiersystems.net as a way to showcase some of the latest and greatest in military gear. I use this site almost every day for my research.

True as far as it goes.

I'm not especially impressed with the weapon. IF I'm going to play the high tech PDW game, I'll take the FN in 5.7x28 instead. I'd rather a nice .38 special +P revolver over either, honestly.

227 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:14:29pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Problem coding? Why not Zoidberg?

(V)(;,,;)(V)

If only!

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:15:04pm

re: #215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I do as I wish in such matters. You have no power over me.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:15:24pm

re: #214 palomino

I hope that mofo lives long enough to see whites become the minority in America. His rhetoric is toxic. I assume he's so over the top in part because he knows that his fantasy retrograde America isn't ever coming back. And it scares the hell out of him.

To me, the rapidly changing demographics are just one more step in the evolution(!) of America. Nothing to be afraid of, indeed it's the melting pot ideal that many of us embrace.

I just can't figure out what these folks are worried about.

230 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:16:19pm

re: #226 wlewisiii

True as far as it goes.

I'm not especially impressed with the weapon. IF I'm going to play the high tech PDW game, I'll take the FN in 5.7x28 instead. I'd rather a nice .38 special +P revolver over either, honestly.

You will be eaten in the zombie apocalypse while you fumble around with your speedloader.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:17:16pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoughts about this sentence?: Jews have been persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when scapegoats were needed to take the fall for the sins of bankers and financiers and fleas.

You forgot about the fleas.

That is the one that get's me more than anything.

232 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:17:22pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoughts about this sentence?: Jews have been persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when scapegoats were needed to take the fall for the sins of bankers and financiers.

My thoughts?

Strange sentence. Jews have been persecuted, exiled, killed for other reasons, as well. What's this "scapegoat" for bankers and financiers business all about?

And what's the purpose of this? If OWS is trying to reject anti-semitism - why such a limited statement?

233 Lidane  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:17:50pm

ROFL. My page about the Nashville hotel that backed out of hosting Pam Geller's hatefest earned me a stealth downding. Too funny.

Also, this Jacksonville/Baltimore game? Still a snoozefest. Reading about copyrights and IP is more interesting.

234 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:18:00pm
235 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:18:21pm

re: #226 wlewisiii

True as far as it goes.

I'm not especially impressed with the weapon. IF I'm going to play the high tech PDW game, I'll take the FN in 5.7x28 instead. I'd rather a nice .38 special +P revolver over either, honestly.

AAC thinks that the Stoner design will give it the edge. And there is something to be said for that idea. The Honey Badger's fire controls are the same as the M-16, so soldiers do not have to overwrite any muscle memory to learn how to use it properly. It's .30 caliber cartridge also might make it possible to produce its barrels with existing tooling designs, which would allow it to be cost-competitive.

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:19:04pm

re: #203 SpaceJesus

what the hell was that

WHAT?

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:19:21pm

re: #219 EmmmieG

A engineer, a mathematician, and a physicists were put on one side of a room, and a pretty girl was put on the other side. They were told that every ten minutes, they could go exactly half the distance to the girl.

The mathematician and the physicist left, because they knew that they would never reach her.

The engineer stayed, because he knew he could get close enough to show her the advanced functions on his new calculator.

There's a scene in one of Terry Pratchett's novels where there are two men shooting arrows at tortoises. One of them is insisting that it's impossible to hit them while they're in motion, and the other keeps pointing out that, practically speaking, they've got a dozen tortoise-kebabs.

Zeno is unavailable for comment.

238 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:19:59pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

My thoughts?

Strange sentence. Jews have been persecuted, exiled, killed for other reasons, as well. What's this "scapegoat" for bankers and financiers business all about?

And what's the purpose of this? If OWS is trying to reject anti-semitism - why such a limited statement?

Consensus. If it wanted to be an OWS statement, it may have been a compromise between several people.

239 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:20:03pm

They are playing some baseball tonight!

240 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:20:45pm

re: #230 celticdragon

You will be eaten in the zombie apocalypse while you fumble around with your speedloader.

You simply use the old english shotgun drill. Fire six, trade with assistant who uses speed loader while you fire next six. A pair of real M&Ps (S&W Model 10) could keep shooting indefinitely that way.

Of course there's always my Cowboy AK (Winchester 94 in .30-30) for them as well.

//

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:20:48pm

re: #224 celticdragon

Did she hang out and converse with the anchoress who was too busy gossiping to bother with prayer?

No, although that could come up in a later book...

I believe Hildegarde von Bingen started as an anchoress, but talked her way out of it.

242 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:20:56pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

My thoughts?

Strange sentence. Jews have been persecuted, exiled, killed for other reasons, as well. What's this "scapegoat" for bankers and financiers business all about?

And what's the purpose of this? If OWS is trying to reject anti-semitism - why such a limited statement?

Maybe the anti banker focus?

243 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:21:12pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

My thoughts?

Strange sentence. Jews have been persecuted, exiled, killed for other reasons, as well. What's this "scapegoat" for bankers and financiers business all about?

And what's the purpose of this? If OWS is trying to reject anti-semitism - why such a limited statement?

That sounds like a sociology major wrote it. Yes....societies need scapegoats (unfortunately) to protect guilty parties that have power and privilige. I think the phrasing is clumsy and over-cute in an academic sense. I would not have written that.

244 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:22:09pm

re: #230 celticdragon

You will be eaten in the zombie apocalypse while you fumble around with your speedloader.

You won't need to load for a long time if you've got one of these:

The SureFire 100-round High-Capacity Magazine is constructed from Mil-Spec hard-anodized aluminum. It weights 3.3 lbs. (!) fully loaded, and has a length of 12.2 inches, so have fun trying to go prone. It features reliable functioning thanks to mechanical simplicity and high-quality, non-binding springs coated with cadmium for low friction and corrosion resistance. Any weapon that can accept STANAG 4179 compliant magazines can accept one of these. Specifications aside, can a magazine with this high a capacity actually work reliably?

My initial analysis: yeah, it can.

245 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:22:12pm

re: #239 prairiefire

They are playing some baseball tonight!

Great game. Cards in serious trouble now.

246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:22:43pm

You speak for yourself only, Perry voter/Cain apologist. Your delusions of power begin and end with your personal fantasies.

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

I do as I wish in such matters. You have no power over me.

247 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:22:46pm

re: #245 im_gumby_damnit

Great game. Cards in serious trouble now.

Good!

248 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:23:07pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Consensus. If it wanted to be an OWS statement, it may have been a compromise between several people.

More like a committee of 50 where unanimous consent is required. That is one of the most frustrating things about OWS.

249 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:23:24pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Consensus. If it wanted to be an OWS statement, it may have been a compromise between several people.

Maybe so. All that finger-waggling has caused brain cells to shrink?
The sentence just doesn't work. In my opinion.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:23:34pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

My thoughts?

Strange sentence. Jews have been persecuted, exiled, killed for other reasons, as well. What's this "scapegoat" for bankers and financiers business all about?

And what's the purpose of this? If OWS is trying to reject anti-semitism - why such a limited statement?

That's some of what baffles me. They're describing a relatively rare scenario, and one that has little to do with their movement. (In the Middle Ages, when Jews were attacked over financial transactions, it was usually by the '1%' of the day.)

Dunno.

251 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:24:37pm

re: #217 celticdragon

Getting people to pay for your advertising is actually pretty smart.

Looks like cop magnet wear to me. Well, maybe that's my bias talking.

252 palomino  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:25:03pm

re: #221 ggt

These People?

Sure, that generation was superior. Because women, gays and blacks knew their place, respectively in the kitchen, in the closet and in the back of the bus.//// Those things have changed, and that scares the hell out of regressives.

But these far right dead-enders have fooled themselves into thinking that electing a white guy in 2012 will be some sort of Great Restoration of their antiquated values. Quite the opposite, whatever happens in 2012 is no more than a bump in the road in an America whose pace and trajectory of change can't be stopped.

253 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:25:28pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I understand the idea, though I doubt they'll get past the H&K bias and there is no real need for yet another round. How can I phrase this - it strikes me as a solution in search of a problem. Doesn't mean it won't be successful; just look to the success of the .40 S&W cartridge for proof of that :lol:

254 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:25:47pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

You won't need to load for a long time if you've got one of these:

I am still waiting for my M40-1A pulse rifle in 10 mm caseless with the 95 round magazines and the over/under 30 mm grenade launcher...

255 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:26:50pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Here's the company that makes that alleged Army weapon...

[Link: www.advanced-armament.com...]

They also sell t-shirts. Seems a little. How do I put it. Weird.

Looks a beneficiary of "Obama's" stimulus.

ADVANCED ARMAMENT CORP.
DUNS Number: 112820829
LAWRENCEVILLE, Georgia 30043
Congressional District: 07
$1,857,500
1

Total Funds Awarded
Awards

256 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:27:12pm

re: #230 celticdragon

You will be eaten in the zombie apocalypse while you fumble around with your speedloader.

Jerry Miculek disagrees.

Damn he's fast.

257 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:27:13pm

re: #251 Gus 802

Looks like cop magnet wear to me. Well, maybe that's my bias talking.

I've seen off-duty law enforcement wearing stuff like that.

258 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:27:51pm

re: #257 celticdragon

I've seen off-duty law enforcement wearing stuff like that.

Well. It's creepy.

259 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:29:00pm

re: #258 Gus 802

Well. It's creepy.

I can't disagree with that. Certainly not my choice of casual wear. I still like the carbine, though.

260 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:29:53pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Well. That was...amateur hour.

A cigar would have really been amusing. That's *my* mind for you.

261 celticdragon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:30:47pm

Good night, lizards. Bed time.

262 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:30:55pm

re: #230 celticdragon

You will be eaten in the zombie apocalypse while you fumble around with your speedloader.

Cardio.

263 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:31:29pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

Jerry Miculek disagrees.

[Video]Damn he's fast.

And a prince of a man. Really a gentleman. His wife is just as nice and approachable. We would see them every year at the steel challenge. He has won a bunch of guns where Dragon_lady ran the stage, called "Gauntlet"'.

Fastest person with a box stock pistol gets to keep it, at one given away per day. Pus one luck of the draw. D_L won a Sig 226 like that. After proper paperwork of course.

264 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:34:24pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gov Rick "Jobs Jobs Jobs" Scott to reject money he applied for

That seems to be a running theme with the GOP at the state level: "Feds, give us money, but don't tell us how to spend it!"

265 palomino  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:34:34pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Looks a beneficiary of "Obama's" stimulus.

ADVANCED ARMAMENT CORP.
DUNS Number: 112820829
LAWRENCEVILLE, Georgia 30043
Congressional District: 07
$1,857,500
1

Total Funds Awarded
Awards

Prediction: whichever Republican gets the WH in 2012 will come up with a stimulus package not unlike Obama's (he'll just call it something else). When the economy is this bad, people actually want the govt to do things other than cut taxes.

And how will the teabaggers react when Pres. Romney produces trillion dollar plus annual budget deficits? They probably won't complain much, since he's one of them (sort of) and Republican deficits rarely make the right angry (see the last 30 years).

266 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:35:08pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Looks a beneficiary of "Obama's" stimulus.

ADVANCED ARMAMENT CORP.
DUNS Number: 112820829
LAWRENCEVILLE, Georgia 30043
Congressional District: 07
$1,857,500
1

Total Funds Awarded
Awards

Here's the owner's Facebook Page.

Advanced Armament Corp., The Savvy Photographer, MAJOR MALFUNCTION'S MUNITIONS, Bulls-Eye Indoor Range & Gun Shop, Naples Motorsports, Travis Pastrana, Magpul Industries Corp., Mill Creek Athletic Association, DEAR LORD, THIS YEAR YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTOR, PATRICK SWAYZIE. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTRESS, FARAH FAWCETT. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE SINGER, MICHAEL JACKSON. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT IS BARACK OBAMA. AMEN, Hamilton Mill Sportsman Club, Ippolitos Italian Restaurant, Jeremy McGrath, Morgan Freeman, The Official Ryan Dungey Fan Page, Gear Scoutand 161 more

Click on that link in the body of the text. See where it leads.

Now, consider that this guy got close to 2 million dollars in stimulus funds.

267 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:35:39pm

Jews have been persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when scapegoats were needed to take the fall for the sins of bankers and financiers and fleas.

it gets off track IMHO at the phrase "scapegoats were needed", as if deflecting anger onto innocent people was necessary and just fine

i would have rewritten it like this:

"Jews have ended up being persecuted, exiled, even killed throughout history when the sins of financiers and bankers, and even anger over disasters caused by forces of nature, were successfully deflected on vulnerable people close at hand"

however, no matter how you phrase it to exculpate the victims, the proximity of "bankers and financiers" and "jews" automatically invokes the old slander, and the dog whistle is sounded

268 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:35:51pm

re: #263 Rightwingconspirator

And a prince of a man. Really a gentleman. His wife is just as nice and approachable. We would see them every year at the steel challenge. He has wan a bunch of guns where Dragon_lady ran the stage, called "Gauntlet"'.

Fastest person with a box stock pistol gets to keep it, at one given away per day. Pus one luck of the draw. D_L won a Sig 226 like that. After proper paperwork of course.

I'd love to see him in action sometime. The videos I've seen are amazing.

269 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:37:00pm

re: #200 celticdragon

Love that movie, It's on my top 10 list.
:)

270 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:37:21pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Here's the owner's Facebook Page.

Click on that link in the body of the text. See where it leads.

Now, consider that this guy got close to 2 million dollars in stimulus funds.

Why would a defense contractor link to a page like that?

Any bites?

271 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:38:36pm
272 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:38:49pm

re: #262 eclectic infidel

Cardio.

Rule No. 1, no doubt.

Having a couple of these strapped to your waist probably wouldn't hurt either:

273 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:39:54pm

re: #257 celticdragon

I've seen off-duty law enforcement wearing stuff like that.

Police are some of the better customers for newer types of weapons like this. And many manufacturers give individual cops or soldiers a discount and/or priority delivery (especially in the case of deploying soldiers, for whom other orders are sometimes 'bumped' so that they can get the equipment they need to be ready to defend our freedom). This not only gives the company good press, but it acts as a form of guerrilla marketing. Troops and cops see the new item and want one for themselves. In some cases, as with MagPul's AR type magazines, this sort of demand building has ultimately gotten the equipment ordered by DoD for more general issue.

274 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:40:35pm

re: #268 wlewisiii

If there are any major pistol or 3 gun competitions near you he will likely be there. It is fun to watch. And little local matches are a fun way to get much better quickly if you jump in.

275 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:40:57pm

The us has never been a melting pot, so I disagree with that metaphor.

White conservatives like Pat Buchanan, fellow opportunists, and their stupid minions follwing them are literally white noise.

Background buzz.

The only thing Buchanan cons can point at is their glorious past, complete with slavery, segregation, lynching, Alien Acts, Exclusion Acts, rape, reservations, broken treaties, a noted inability to compete in the modern world without governmentrevealing rigging the game for them (states rights), and rank self-loathing.

This is why we laugh at them and their endless, self-induced social anxieties.

re: #214 palomino

I hope that mofo lives long enough to see whites become the minority in America. His rhetoric is toxic. I assume he's so over the top in part because he knows that his fantasy retrograde America isn't ever coming back. And it scares the hell out of him.

To me, the rapidly changing demographics are just one more step in the evolution(!) of America. Nothing to be afraid of, indeed it's the melting pot ideal that many of us embrace.

276 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:45:10pm

re: #271 Gus 802

But he signed this petition.

President Obama: Don't Force Lt. Dan Choi and Other Gay Soldiers to Pay for their DADT Discharges

Not all who are pro-gun are anti-gay. Some know that a gay man can fight for freedom bravely and well.

Gay soldiers might also be especially appreciative of the gold color of the gun. Imagine how resistance to the Honey Badger's adoption might melt by an intro video narrated by Randall and ending with a newly reinstated Lt. Choi proclaiming the weapon "Fabulous!".

/just having a little fun, but glad that he signed that petition.

277 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:48:01pm

re: #274 Rightwingconspirator

If there are any major pistol or 3 gun competitions near you he will likely be there. It is fun to watch. And little local matches are a fun way to get much better quickly if you jump in.

Hopefully I can do some of that once we get past our foreclosure/bankruptcy and get our finances straightened out. OTOH, I found a really great reloading shop a half hour drive from here ([Link: www.recobstargetshop.com...] ) which will keep me shooting much more for the same $$$. Friend of mine said they didn't gouge during the buying frenzy that happened after Obama's election so hopefully the same will be true next fall :lol:

278 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:48:33pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Not all who are pro-gun are anti-gay. Some know that a gay man can fight for freedom bravely and well.

Gay soldiers might also be especially appreciative of the gold color of the gun. Imagine how resistance to the Honey Badger's adoption might melt by an intro video narrated by Randall and ending with a newly reinstated Lt. Choi proclaiming the weapon "Fabulous!".

/just having a little fun, but glad that he signed that petition.

Different guy.

279 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:49:28pm

4 points from Ray Rice tonight? Seriously? Ugh.

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:49:42pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Not all who are pro-gun are anti-gay. Some know that a gay man can fight for freedom bravely and well.

Some pro-gun folk are even leftists :D

281 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:51:47pm

re: #275 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The us has never been a melting pot, so I disagree with that metaphor.

White conservatives like Pat Buchanan, fellow opportunists, and their stupid minions follwing them are literally white noise.

Background buzz.

The only thing Buchanan cons can point at is their glorious past, complete with slavery, segregation, lynching, Alien Acts, Exclusion Acts, rape, reservations, broken treaties, a noted inability to compete in the modern world without governmentrevealing rigging the game for them (states rights), and rank self-loathing.

This is why we laugh at them and their endless, self-induced social anxieties.

Myself, I don't give those bigoted people you named enough credit to say the US is not a melting pot. One with no small amount of multi ethnic integration success even with all due respect to whats wrong with the Tea Party etc.

Maybe my judgement is colored by seeing so many kinds of people doing just fine together on my commute and in urban LA. Or by this map.

282 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:52:14pm

Now, this next video does sort of annoy me. Using bikini models to showcase guns and tactical gear is too flippant for my taste. Guns are a serious thing, not a modelling accessory IMO. So I present this to the group for your comments, and as proof that not everything from the defense industry rings my bell:

283 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:53:17pm

re: #275 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, we have been a melting pot. There are enough multi-racial generations to stir the pot.

284 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:53:28pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Different guy.

Please excuse the error. It was unclear to whom you were referring.

285 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:53:33pm

re: #280 wlewisiii

Some pro-gun folk are even leftists :D

Heh. Ever heard of the Pink Pistols?

286 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:56:05pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Now, this next video does sort of annoy me. Using bikini models to showcase guns and tactical gear is too flippant for my taste. Guns are a serious thing, not a modelling accessory IMO. So I present this to the group for your comments, and as proof that not everything from the defense industry rings my bell:

[Video]

Seems a sin to chafe that skin.

287 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:56:10pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Now, this next video does sort of annoy me. Using bikini models to showcase guns and tactical gear is too flippant for my taste. Guns are a serious thing, not a modelling accessory IMO. So I present this to the group for your comments, and as proof that not everything from the defense industry rings my bell:

[Video]

You don't often find women of that caliber.

288 jaunte  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:56:51pm

BadAstronomer/Phil Plait tweets:
People are reporting incredibly bright aurorae in Canada and northern US. If you live up there, go look!

Northern Lights have spilled across the Canadian border into the contiguous USA. Sighting reports have come from as far south as Arkansas, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Missouri, Nebraska, Kentucky, Indiana, Oklahoma, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, , New York, Ohio and central California. The display was caused by the CME impact described below.

is.gd/2m84M5

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:57:15pm

re: #285 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. Ever heard of the Pink Pistols?

I know a couple of guys in them. One just got himself a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 as his first centerfire rifle :)

290 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:58:06pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Please excuse the error. It was unclear to whom you were referring.

Oh. I revised my comment after I posted it. Realized it was some other guy in Maryland. Otherwise. Nothing alarming other than that stupid Facebook page link. He's kind of young so that probably has something to do with it. Who knows anymore.

291 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:58:09pm

re: #287 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You don't often find women of that caliber.

rimshot!

292 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 8:58:10pm

And even the Mounties are getting some new firepower:

RCMP Adopts C8 Carbine

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police have finally adopted the C8 carbine which is a variant of the M4 manufactured by Colt Canada after four Mounties were killed six years ago in Alberta. These aren’t the first carbines issued to Law Enforcement Canada as they are already in use by the RCMP’s Emergency Reaction Teams as well as other tactical units. Rather, this deployment is much more like the adoption of patrol carbines within US LE to react to an increasingly armed criminal element. Unfortunately, the RCMP is only purchasing 375 carbines and will have to determine the basis of issue.

In addition to the new weapons, the RCMP announced earlier this year the purchase of 6,800 improved bulletproof vests with full deployment by April 1, 2013.

Click the link for details about the features on the RCMP C8.

293 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:01:25pm

re: #291 wlewisiii

rimshot!

I don't see how that could be physically possible!

294 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:01:34pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

I wrote a novel about that, last November. Well, I wrote a novel about a lady moneylender in England in 1203.

I've always wondered how they carried the equity. Sewn into their gowns?
It's a broad brush category much like Latino tomato pickers.

295 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:03:15pm

G'night all. Time to go use my pillow as a target for my head.

296 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:03:15pm

Yeah. I think we are in a melting pot. The inevitability of it is/was dangerous concept for bigots, and so they enacted all the anti-miscegination laws.
One Drop Rule...
They feared extinction.

297 dell*nix  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:03:55pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

The tats were tacky. The crossed ankles in the air were a position give away and somebody was going to get hot brass.

298 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:05:35pm

re: #297 dell*nix

The tats were tacky. The crossed ankles in the air were a position give away and somebody was going to get hot brass.

Indeed. :)

299 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:09:06pm

"If invoking an interest in preventing public funds from potentially being used to fund drug use were the only requirement to establish a special need, the State could impose drug testing as an eligibility requirement for every beneficiary of every government program. Such blanket intrusions cannot be countenanced under the Fourth Amendment."


[Link: lawprofessors.typepad.com...]


suck it, wingers

300 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:11:58pm

The dumb shits at Netflix lost close to 800,000 customers after raising their prices. Good. They deserved that. And stupid Hulu is still for sale by Fox Entertainment after they ruined it. Odds are Hulu and Netflix will be history in 5 years. Gone the way of Blockbuster, AOL, and Myspace.

301 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:12:07pm

re: #280 wlewisiii

Some pro-gun folk are even leftists :D

BTW this is what D_L runs at a match. In .40S&W long loaded

302 palomino  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:13:08pm

re: #299 SpaceJesus

"If invoking an interest in preventing public funds from potentially being used to fund drug use were the only requirement to establish a special need, the State could impose drug testing as an eligibility requirement for every beneficiary of every government program. Such blanket intrusions cannot be countenanced under the Fourth Amendment."

[Link: lawprofessors.typepad.com...]

suck it, wingers

We should start testing the baby boomers who have just begun receiving SS and Medicare in the last few years. They are the children of the 60's after all. And let's deny their benefits if they occasionally light up a joint in their golden years.

303 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:14:47pm

re: #283 prairiefire

Yes, we have been a melting pot. There are enough multi-racial generations to stir the pot.

+1

304 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:19:00pm

re: #300 Gus 802

The dumb shits at Netflix lost close to 800,000 customers after raising their prices. Good. They deserved that. And stupid Hulu is still for sale by Fox Entertainment after they ruined it. Odds are Hulu and Netflix will be history in 5 years. Gone the way of Blockbuster, AOL, and Myspace.

If anything, Blockbuster's poised to make a bit of a comeback, picking up a lot of folks who've ditched Netflix. And Redbox has likely been making a killing due to Netflix's pricing blunder.

At this point, even if they dropped the subscription prices back down to where they were, I'm not sure Netflix could win back all those they've lost. From what I've been hearing from former subscribers, it wasn't even really worth the prices before they got stupid and started trying to charge $8 per service.

305 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:22:05pm

re: #304 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If anything, Blockbuster's poised to make a bit of a comeback, picking up a lot of folks who've ditched Netflix. And Redbox and has likely been making a killing due to Netflix's pricing blunder.

At this point, even if they dropped the subscription prices back down to where they were, I'm not sure Netflix could win back all those they've lost. From what I've been hearing from former subscribers, it wasn't even really worth the prices before they got stupid and started trying to charge $8 per service.

$8 per month? BRB Smoke.

306 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:23:42pm

re: #279 im_gumby_damnit

4 points from Ray Rice tonight? Seriously? Ugh.

Lucky for me. I was clinging to a 12 point lead going into tonight and my opponent had Rice and the kicker Cundiff.

307 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:24:33pm

re: #300 Gus 802

The dumb shits at Netflix lost close to 800,000 customers after raising their prices. Good. They deserved that. And stupid Hulu is still for sale by Fox Entertainment after they ruined it. Odds are Hulu and Netflix will be history in 5 years. Gone the way of Blockbuster, AOL, and Myspace.

Not if these glorious douchebags have anything to say about it:

Our allies on the Hill say the bill's so bad that it could effectively destroy Youtube, Twitter, and other sites that rely on user-generated content by making the sites' owners legally responsible for everything their users post.

308 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:25:52pm

re: #307 publicityStunted

That doesn't include the 800,000 "UR a duche" and "This sux" comments?

I would be embarrassed to have to own those.

309 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:26:14pm

re: #225 ggt

I remember B&W TV, I remember our first calculator.

I remember, manual typewriters too!

I also remember party lines and my grandparents' outhouse.

310 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:27:12pm

re: #305 Gus 802

$8 per month? BRB Smoke.

Used to be I was paying roughly $9/month for 1 DVD and streaming. Now I'm paying something around $16/month, but still limited to a single DVD a month and a streaming service that's in decline. I'm considering just canceling my service and going back to Redbox. Or perhaps giving Blockbuster a try.

311 dell*nix  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:27:51pm

re: #309 aagcobb

A porta potty is nothing but a mobile outhouse, smell and all.

312 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:29:01pm

re: #307 publicityStunted

Not if these glorious douchebags have anything to say about it:

I presume that this means LGF will have to shut down a microsecond after the next troll posts.

313 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:29:05pm

re: #307 publicityStunted

Not if these glorious douchebags have anything to say about it:

Cripes. This country. I tell ya'. Pretty soon everybody's going to be in jail or under indictment for something.

314 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:30:33pm

re: #307 publicityStunted

Not if these glorious douchebags have anything to say about it:

S. 968: Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011

112th Congress: 2011-2012
11%
89%

A bill to prevent online threats to economic creativity and theft of intellectual property, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT]

Status: This bill was considered in committee which has recommended it be considered by the Senate as a whole. Explanation: Although it has been placed on a calendar of business, the order in which legislation is considered and voted on is determined by the majority party leadership. Keep in mind that sometimes the text of one bill is incorporated into another bill, and in those cases the original bill, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned. [Last Updated: Oct 21, 2011 12:03PM]

Cough. Cough. Cough. Cough. Oh brother.

315 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:31:48pm

re: #314 Gus 802

S. 968: Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011

Cough. Cough. Cough. Cough. Oh brother.

Cosponsors:

Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Kelly Ayotte [R-NH]
Michael Bennet [D-CO]
Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Richard Blumenthal [D-CT]
Roy Blunt [R-MO]

John Boozman [R-AR]
Sherrod Brown [D-OH]
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD]
Robert Casey [D-PA]
Thad Cochran [R-MS]
Chris Coons [D-DE]

Bob Corker [R-TN]
Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Michael Enzi [R-WY]
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Al Franken [D-MN]
Kirsten Gillibrand [D-NY]

Lindsey Graham [R-SC]
Charles Grassley [R-IA]
Kay Hagan [D-NC]
Orrin Hatch [R-UT]
Tim Johnson [D-SD]
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN]

Herbert Kohl [D-WI]
Mary Landrieu [D-LA]
Joseph Lieberman [I-CT]
John McCain [R-AZ]
Bill Nelson [D-FL]
Marco Rubio [R-FL]

Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Jeanne Shaheen [D-NH]
Tom Udall [D-NM]
Sheldon Whitehouse [D-RI]
Jerry Moran [R-KS] (withdrawn)

316 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:31:52pm

re: #307 publicityStunted

Not if these glorious douchebags have anything to say about it:

Doesn't seem like a good bill, but it does go after a significant issue. What would you suggest in its place?

317 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:32:01pm

Blue Dogs.

318 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:32:18pm

re: #309 aagcobb

I also remember party lines and my grandparents' outhouse.

I used a 2 seater! I was very concerned about falling in. I also got to work the pump to wash my hands afterwards. Probably about 1964.

319 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:33:34pm

re: #281 Rightwingconspirator

Myself, I don't give those bigoted people you named enough credit to say the US is not a melting pot. One with no small amount of multi ethnic integration success even with all due respect to whats wrong with the Tea Party etc.

Maybe my judgement is colored by seeing so many kinds of people doing just fine together on my commute and in urban LA. Or by this map.

It's just a bad metaphor in my opinion. No point in getting defensive about it, it's just a concept.

BTW as one of those who has been doing the *actual* integrating/melting/whatever for a few decades, now, I don't need maps or anecdotes about commutes.

320 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:34:06pm

Evening everyone.

Dont have much to add on the Cain video; a classic.

321 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:34:21pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't seem like a good bill, but it does go after a significant issue. What would you suggest in its place?

How about letting it be settled in the courts, rather than draconian laws? This is the sort of shit that we've been ragging on countries like China and Iran doing for years.

322 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:34:46pm

re: #315 Gus 802

Cosponsors:

Lots of D's and R's on that list. When a bill has both Dick Durbin and John McCain's support, it has a chance of passing.

Interesting, though, that the only sponsor to see the light and withdraw is a Republican.

323 Achilles Tang  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:35:16pm

re: #288 jaunte

BadAstronomer/Phil Plait tweets:
People are reporting incredibly bright aurorae in Canada and northern US. If you live up there, go look!

is.gd/2m84M5

Saw one once in Minneapolis years ago. Can barely see Polaris from here in Florida tonight.

324 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:36:30pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't seem like a good bill, but it does go after a significant issue. What would you suggest in its place?

Dick Durbin is about as far from a Blue Dog as you're likely to find, ditto for Al Franken and Diane Feinstein. Feinstein is the sad one of the three, since I have a fair amount of respect for her.

325 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:36:39pm

re: #320 Alexzander

Evening everyone.

Dont have much to add on the Cain video; a classic.

People say he's going for the book tour/Fox angle, I think he's more likely going for the "firsth black republican" angle.

It's kind of easy to do, for those who wish to see and be seen, since there's not a lot of competition. But then, you have to actually go through with it, bless his heart lol

326 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:37:16pm

Wow. Smoking Man from the X-files comes to mind...

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:37:26pm

re: #309 aagcobb

I also remember party lines and my grandparents' outhouse.

Oh, I remember party lines. Not outhouses, my mother's family home had "garages" that were made for model-T's. My Aunt's huge 1970's care wouldn't fit. She had to park on the street. It wouldn't even fit down the alley.

328 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:37:39pm

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Lots of D's and R's on that list. When a bill has both Dick Durbin and John McCain's support, it has a chance of passing.

Interesting, though, that the only sponsor to see the light and withdraw is a Republican.

Well look at this. Patrick Leahy at Opensecrets:

Top 5 Contributors, 2007-2012, Campaign Cmte
Contributor Total Indivs PACs
Technet $81,961 $79,550 $2,411
Girardi & Keese $72,000 $72,000 $0
Time Warner $62,150 $53,150 $9,000
Walt Disney Co $45,150 $35,150 $10,000
Vivendi $35,706 $33,706 $2,000

Top 5 Industries, 2007-2012, Campaign Cmte
Industry Total Indivs PACs
Lawyers/Law Firms $604,040 $488,831 $115,209
TV/Movies/Music $373,706 $269,156 $104,550
Computers/Internet $298,111 $194,500 $103,611
Lobbyists $257,100 $253,100 $4,000
Leadership PACs $212,900 $0 $212,900

329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:38:20pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Cripes. This country. I tell ya'. Pretty soon everybody's going to be in jail or under indictment for something.

Oh god, don't suggest that to conservatives, everybody in prison.

Imagine the prison profiteering they could rack up off of that. /

330 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:38:31pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't seem like a good bill, but it does go after a significant issue. What would you suggest in its place?

What Targetpractice said. And yes, I freely admit many Dems have a dismal record on this issue due to their own lobbyist influences (e.g. Big Hollywood). However, I also think they'd be at least somewhat likely to back down if faced with overwhelming constituent pressure - this bill seems like one of those "let's sneak this through while no one's looking" type deals.

331 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:38:58pm

re: #328 Gus 802

Career contributions:

Top 5 Contributors, 1989 - 2010
Contributor Total Indivs PACs
Time Warner $165,150 $153,150 $12,000
Walt Disney Co $152,000 $142,000 $10,000

Girardi & Keese $89,000 $89,000 $0
Technet $82,961 $80,550 $2,411
Law Offices of Peter G Angelos $73,750 $73,750 $0

Top 5 Industries, 1989 - 2010
Industry Total Indivs PACs
Lawyers/Law Firms $1,416,952 $1,260,993 $155,959
TV/Movies/Music $901,266 $771,206 $130,060
Lobbyists $677,700 $672,200 $5,500
Computers/Internet $416,241 $289,030 $127,211
Securities & Investment $285,106 $260,606 $24,500

332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:39:24pm

re: #327 ggt

Oh, I remember party lines. Not outhouses, my mother's family home had "garages" that were made for model-T's. My Aunt's huge 1970's care wouldn't fit. She had to park on the street. It wouldn't even fit down the alley.

OT ggt, but I rented The Human Stain and watched it last night. Can't say I liked it, but I'm glad I rented it. Thx for the rec.

333 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:40:26pm

re: #331 Gus 802

You do more fact-checking and research on an LGF thread than the media does in...like...years. o_O

334 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:40:29pm

re: #332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

OT ggt, but I rented The Human Stain and watched it last night. Can't say I liked it, but I'm glad I rented it. Thx for the rec.

You are welcome. I think I described it as haunting.

335 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:40:53pm

re: #325 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

People say he's going for the book tour/Fox angle, I think he's more likely going for the "firsth black republican" angle.

It's kind of easy to do, for those who wish to see and be seen, since there's not a lot of competition. But then, you have to actually go through with it, bless his heart lol

The fact that he had a book tour planned, which he promptly cancelled after his unexpected rise to 1st in the polls, leads me to believe it was a celebrity/Fox thing. Well, that and the fact that he hasn't developed a real multi-state campaign infrastructure.
But at times I believe he is really in it to win, so who knows.

336 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:41:41pm

re: #333 publicityStunted

You do more fact-checking and research on an LGF thread than the media does in...like...years. o_O

Thanks. Looks like ol' Mr. Leahy is the movie industry's go-to guy. Gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with this piece of legislation?

337 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:42:33pm

re: #335 Alexzander

The fact that he had a book tour planned, which he promptly cancelled after his unexpected rise to 1st in the polls, leads me to believe it was a celebrity/Fox thing. Well, that and the fact that he hasn't developed a real multi-state campaign infrastructure.
But at times I believe he is really in it to win, so who knows.

Twelve months is a long time.

338 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:42:44pm

Of course, considering that the major news organizations are either owned or funded by ads from the sort of companies that get totally bent out of shape over "copyright infringement," it's no surprise such a bill is sailing along under the public's radar.

Probably won't even know it exists until they boot up the computer one day and find out that Facebook is down because some dipshit posted a Disney parody picture, Youtube down because somebody posted a clip from an episode of Star Trek, and their favorite blog down because a troll posted a dirty limerick that a Congress critter took offense to.

339 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:43:19pm

re: #333 publicityStunted

You do more fact-checking and research on an LGF thread than the media does in...like...years. o_O

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Dodd-Frank. I know it passed a while back . . .. I keep hearing from the rwnj's in my life that it is the reason the Banks aren't lending and the economy is stagnating. I read the 16-page summary from Congress and the forever-page Wiki tonite.

I'm not seeing anything that blatantly restricts lending or put's undue financial burden on the banks. Unless they just aren't happy with the idea of making less money because they can't turn a blind eye to predatory lending anymore?

I have another pile or two to read.

340 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:43:43pm

re: #283 prairiefire

Yes, we have been a melting pot. There are enough multi-racial generations to stir the pot.

Tell me about it, since I come from a long line of it.

"Multi-racial" as regards actual screwing, but actual law and economic caste is a much different story. That's more like a salad bowl, or mosaic than melting pot.

341 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:45:07pm

Here's the personal finance assets of members of congress. These are total net worth amounts all across the board.

Real Estate $478,274,112 $1,487,890,747
Recreation/Live Entertainment $255,518,006 $260,096,000
Securities & Investment $127,332,516 $403,113,112
Misc Finance $67,466,274 $168,608,215
Electronics Mfg & Services $56,662,036 $79,401,957
Oil & Gas $47,716,733 $104,559,191
Crop Production & Basic Processing $43,060,582 $159,027,480
Computers/Internet $39,914,848 $139,858,142
Health Services/HMOs $35,423,868 $83,612,796
Automotive $28,077,359 $134,069,279

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

Is that sick or what?

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:45:20pm

re: #340 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How about a pizza? The great American pizza. Some stuff has melted into some other stuff, but some you could still pick off if you need to, and some just falls off if you hold it funny.

Wait...where was I going with this?

343 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:45:46pm

re: #337 austin_blue

Twelve months is a long time.

Primaries in 2 months.

344 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:46:45pm

re: #334 ggt

You are welcome. I think I described it as haunting.

I found it to definitely come across as a work of fiction. Some movies can pull that kind of implausibility off; I don't think that one did. Plus, I didn't think they were still making tragic mulatto movies as late as the '00s, cripes. Oh well, live and learn.

345 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:47:45pm

Average wealth of members of congress is roughly 13.6 million each.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

Try not to vomit on your keyboards.

346 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:47:54pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Blue Dogs.

My #24 should have been in reply to this post. Repost:

Dick Durbin is about as far from a Blue Dog as you're likely to find, ditto for Al Franken and Diane Feinstein. Feinstein is the sad one of the three, since I have a fair amount of respect for her.

347 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:48:02pm

re: #342 EmmmieG

How about a pizza? The great American pizza. Some stuff has melted into some other stuff, but some you could still pick off if you need to, and some just falls off if you hold it funny.

Wait...where was I going with this?

Or, how about no metaphors.

Or, no meat-apohrs. No Meat aphors? /

348 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:48:19pm

Actually that was for the Senate. The House is lower at 5 million dollars a pop.

349 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:48:46pm

re: #339 ggt

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Dodd-Frank. I know it passed a while back . . .. I keep hearing from the rwnj's in my life that it is the reason the Banks aren't lending and the economy is stagnating. I read the 16-page summary from Congress and the forever-page Wiki tonite.

I'm not seeing anything that blatantly restricts lending or put's undue financial burden on the banks. Unless they just aren't happy with the idea of making less money because they can't turn a blind eye to predatory lending anymore?

I have another pile or two to read.

Your are correct. The banks are parking their money in the Fed because they are making money by doing so. If the Fed *charged* the banks for parking their money in Fed accounts, they would have a damn good reason to move it into the economy. Krugman has been barking about this for at least a year. No one seems to be listening.

350 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:49:09pm

re: #340 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But you know that if you leave a salad in the fridge long enough it all melts together...
:)

351 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:49:52pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't seem like a good bill, but it does go after a significant issue. What would you suggest in its place?

I should also add that the entertainment industry, instead of idiotic, despotic stuff-the-genie-back-in-the-bottle crap like this, should get a little creative (that's what they're supposed to be in the first place, isn't it?) and adapt their business model to the Internet (instead of heavy-handedly and stupidly demanding the Internet adapt to them).

In any case, when I hear things like this, it makes me all the happier I haven't bothered seeing a Big Hollywood release in years.*

*Hell, 90+plus percent of it is such derivative crap that I can't even be bothered wasting the bandwidth to download it

352 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:50:05pm

SCOTUS

1 Ruth Bader Ginsburg $10,700,013 $28,090,006 $45,480,000
2 Stephen G. Breyer $4,590,061 $10,410,030 $16,230,000
3 John Paul Stevens $1,690,012 $4,177,506 $6,665,000
4 John G. Roberts $2,145,037 $3,680,018 $5,215,000
5 Antonin Scalia $1,250,020 $2,130,010 $3,010,000
6 Elena Kagan $1,080,020 $1,835,010 $2,590,000
7 Samuel A. Alito $295,007 $580,003 $865,000
8 Anthony M. Kennedy $165,003 $290,001 $415,000
9 Clarence Thomas $150,002 $280,001 $410,000
10 Sonia Sotomayor $-94,999 $-22,500 $49,999

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:50:14pm

re: #344 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I found it to definitely come across as a work of fiction. Some movies can pull that kind of implausibility off; I don't think that one did. Plus, I didn't think they were still making tragic mulatto movies as late as the '00s, cripes. Oh well, live and learn.

The mulatto aspect of the character was just one part of it. The female character that had been sexually abused by her step-father and was another. Both character's had to make life-changing decisions based on society taboos and the ignorance of others and accept what came after.

Ad in the whole Vietnam vet angle -- it was certainly thought provoking.

354 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:50:37pm

Executive Branch:

1 Hillary Clinton $10,727,014 $31,243,506 $51,759,999
2 William M. Daley $11,878,183 $28,771,090 $45,663,998
3 Rahm Emanuel $6,698,084 $10,995,042 $15,292,000
4 Steven Chu $3,871,034 $7,560,017 $11,249,000
5 Shaun L.S. Donovan $1,968,007 $6,057,503 $10,146,999
6 Barack Obama (D) $2,251,011 $4,960,505 $7,670,000
7 Gary F. Locke $1,418,016 $4,539,507 $7,660,999
8 David Plouffe $2,295,095 $4,155,547 $6,016,000
9 Timothy F. Geithner $274,021 $3,170,009 $6,065,998
10 Kathleen Sebelius $768,008 $2,967,003 $5,165,998
11 Eric K. Shinseki $1,379,083 $2,940,040 $4,500,998
12 Arne S. Duncan $1,584,034 $2,647,017 $3,710,000
13 Christina D. Romer $517,020 $906,010 $1,295,000
14 Peter R. Orszag $414,021 $778,510 $1,143,000
15 Thomas J. Vilsack $140,022 $733,010 $1,325,999
16 Janet A. Napolitano $130,032 $428,016 $726,000
17 Hilda L. Solis $195,005 $347,502 $500,000
18 Joseph R Biden Jr (D) $-309,971 $89,512 $488,996
19 Ray LaHood $-243,984 $41,506 $326,997

355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:50:38pm

re: #345 Gus 802

Average wealth of members of congress is roughly 13.6 million each.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

Try not to vomit on your keyboards.

And they want a job that pays $175+ a year because...?

That is what cracked me up about Meg Whitman. Why would a multibajillionaire run for office unless it wasn't to ensure government bennies for herself and her rich friends.

But yes, let's trash the teacher's unions and firefighters for everything wrong with city hall lol

356 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:50:53pm

re: #345 Gus 802

Average wealth of members of congress is roughly 13.6 million each.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

Try not to vomit on your keyboards.

I know. I've been thinking alot about that lately.

357 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:51:18pm

re: #350 OhNoZombies!

But you know that if you leave a salad in the fridge long enough it all melts together...
:)

USA, the great Jr. High Science Experiment lol

358 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:51:50pm

Looks at all that money! These people are public servants!

Ya' gotta laugh. This country is run by the 1 percent.

359 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:51:55pm

re: #349 austin_blue

Your are correct. The banks are parking their money in the Fed because they are making money by doing so. If the Fed *charged* the banks for parking their money in Fed accounts, they would have a damn good reason to move it into the economy. Krugman has been barking about this for at least a year. No one seems to be listening.

So, the banks can charge us for using our money, but the Fed doesn't charge the banks for using their money?

360 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:52:18pm

re: #357 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

USA, the great Jr. High Science Experiment lol

Wilting is not melting.

361 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:52:32pm

House and Senate. Top net worth.

1 Darrell Issa (R-Calif) $156,050,022 $303,575,011 $451,100,000
2 Jane Harman (D-Calif) $151,480,522 $293,454,761 $435,429,001
3 John Kerry (D-Mass) $182,755,534 $238,812,296 $294,869,059
4 Mark Warner (D-Va) $65,692,210 $174,385,102 $283,077,995
5 Jared Polis (D-Colo) $36,694,140 $160,909,068 $285,123,996
6 Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $89,358,027 $160,302,011 $231,245,995
7 Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla) $-69,434,661 $148,373,160 $366,180,982
8 Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $73,685,086 $137,611,043 $201,537,000
9 James E. Risch (R-Idaho) $38,936,114 $109,034,052 $179,131,990
10 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $61,446,018 $98,832,010 $136,218,002
11 Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn) $64,210,256 $94,870,116 $125,529,976
12 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) $46,055,250 $77,082,134 $108,109,018
13 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) $49,083,204 $76,886,611 $104,690,018
14 Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) $-7,356,915 $58,436,537 $124,229,990
15 Alan Mark Grayson (D-Fla) $31,411,044 $54,966,522 $78,522,000
16 Gary Miller (R-Calif) $19,365,053 $51,833,526 $84,302,000
17 Bob Corker (R-Tenn) $9,778,047 $50,717,522 $91,656,998
18 Diane Lynn Black (R-Tenn) $14,673,049 $49,409,519 $84,145,990
19 Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ) $19,898,179 $43,797,589 $67,697,000
20 Rick Berg (R-ND) $19,347,579 $39,164,515 $58,981,451
21 Nita M. Lowey (D-NY) $14,900,036 $39,012,518 $63,125,000
22 Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $13,303,385 $38,204,868 $63,106,351
23 Harry Teague (D-NM) $21,119,041 $37,102,019 $53,084,997
24 Denny Rehberg (R-Mont) $6,598,014 $31,421,505 $56,244,997
25 Scott Rigell (R-Va) $11,618,078 $29,909,039 $48,200,000

362 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:52:35pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Of course, considering that the major news organizations are either owned or funded by ads from the sort of companies that get totally bent out of shape over "copyright infringement," it's no surprise such a bill is sailing along under the public's radar.

Probably won't even know it exists until they boot up the computer one day and find out that Facebook is down because some dipshit posted a Disney parody picture, Youtube down because somebody posted a clip from an episode of Star Trek, and their favorite blog down because a troll posted a dirty limerick that a Congress critter took offense to.

Hell, upon reflection, you would think that the GOP leadership would be absolutely thrilled to see such a bill being written up by a Democrat. Considering the way they've been going at Holder since January, you'd think they've be having screaming fits over the idea of giving him the power to blacklist websites.

363 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:53:56pm

re: #360 EmmmieG

Wilting is not melting.

During an AGW-enhanced Texas heatwave, I'm sure you could do both.

364 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:55:42pm

We fight for freedom!

[Bronx cheer.]

365 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:56:11pm

I better close that page before I break something.

366 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:56:29pm

re: #361 Gus 802

House and Senate. Top net worth.

1 Darrell Issa (R-Calif) $156,050,022 $303,575,011 $451,100,000
2 Jane Harman (D-Calif) $151,480,522 $293,454,761 $435,429,001
3 John Kerry (D-Mass) $182,755,534 $238,812,296 $294,869,059
4 Mark Warner (D-Va) $65,692,210 $174,385,102 $283,077,995
5 Jared Polis (D-Colo) $36,694,140 $160,909,068 $285,123,996
6 Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $89,358,027 $160,302,011 $231,245,995
7 Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla) $-69,434,661 $148,373,160 $366,180,982
8 Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $73,685,086 $137,611,043 $201,537,000
9 James E. Risch (R-Idaho) $38,936,114 $109,034,052 $179,131,990
10 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $61,446,018 $98,832,010 $136,218,002
11 Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn) $64,210,256 $94,870,116 $125,529,976
12 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) $46,055,250 $77,082,134 $108,109,018
13 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) $49,083,204 $76,886,611 $104,690,018
14 Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) $-7,356,915 $58,436,537 $124,229,990
15 Alan Mark Grayson (D-Fla) $31,411,044 $54,966,522 $78,522,000
16 Gary Miller (R-Calif) $19,365,053 $51,833,526 $84,302,000
17 Bob Corker (R-Tenn) $9,778,047 $50,717,522 $91,656,998
18 Diane Lynn Black (R-Tenn) $14,673,049 $49,409,519 $84,145,990
19 Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ) $19,898,179 $43,797,589 $67,697,000
20 Rick Berg (R-ND) $19,347,579 $39,164,515 $58,981,451
21 Nita M. Lowey (D-NY) $14,900,036 $39,012,518 $63,125,000
22 Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $13,303,385 $38,204,868 $63,106,351
23 Harry Teague (D-NM) $21,119,041 $37,102,019 $53,084,997
24 Denny Rehberg (R-Mont) $6,598,014 $31,421,505 $56,244,997
25 Scott Rigell (R-Va) $11,618,078 $29,909,039 $48,200,000

Interesting question:

Can people with that much money be moved in their decisions on Public Policy by Lobbyists? Is this question important to the Republic?

367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:58:07pm

re: #353 ggt

The mulatto aspect of the character was just one part of it. The female character that had been sexually abused by her step-father and was another. Both character's had to make life-changing decisions based on society taboos and the ignorance of others and accept what came after.

Ad in the whole Vietnam vet angle -- it was certainly thought provoking.

Also the antisemitism, which could have been dealt with much more in depth, considering 40s-90s academia -- the movie pawned off the bulk of its commentary on American antisemtism on the crazy vet.

It needed to do more to suspend the disbelief, especially around the tragic mullatto nonsense. Maybe the book does, dunno. The state of Hollywood being as it is, though, they would have to wait until Vin Diesel or Wentworth Miller was Anthony Hopkins' age to make the movie, since those are the only two could plausibly carry the lead role. /

Oh well, it was still worth the rental. I'm making up for it with a Carrie Anne Moss double feature. She is so perfect.

368 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:58:19pm

re: #355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And they want a job that pays $175+ a year because...?

That is what cracked me up about Meg Whitman. Why would a multibajillionaire run for office unless it wasn't to ensure government bennies for herself and her rich friends.

But yes, let's trash the teacher's unions and firefighters for everything wrong with city hall lol

I think what is sad is that it is a sign that $175/hr isn't what it used to be. It's still quite a lot, but not so much in D.C or NYC.

There are people who consider government a public service and will take the job to "do their part". The thinking is that their financial independence will make them bribe-proof. I don't think we see as many of those people as we should.

For most, it's also something else to put on their resume--another accomplishment. You know, because they've accumulated more money than most, they must be smarter and have a better idea of how the rest of us should live.

I think it becomes less and less about money and more and more about power and ego.

369 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:59:13pm

re: #366 austin_blue

Interesting question:

Can people with that much money be moved in their decisions on Public Policy by Lobbyists? Is this question important to the Republic?

No. Flat out no. And here's why. This is the net worth of both the House and the Senate. People will vote for their own self interests IMO. Now, it's not always going to be bad since citizens enjoy these very same industries so to speak. However, one thing should be clear and that it that money rules the day:

1 Real Estate $478,274,112 $1,487,890,747
2 Recreation/Live Entertainment $255,518,006 $260,096,000
3 Securities & Investment $127,332,516 $403,113,112
4 Misc Finance $67,466,274 $168,608,215
5 Electronics Mfg & Services $56,662,036 $79,401,957
6 Oil & Gas $47,716,733 $104,559,191
7 Crop Production & Basic Processing $43,060,582 $159,027,480
8 Computers/Internet $39,914,848 $139,858,142
9 Health Services/HMOs $35,423,868 $83,612,796
10 Automotive $28,077,359 $134,069,279

11 Commercial Banks $27,138,934 $101,210,407
12 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $26,761,265 $94,890,805
13 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $26,200,934 $71,251,332
14 Livestock $21,233,023 $99,695,000
15 Retail Sales $12,338,159 $39,331,932
16 Food & Beverage $12,134,520 $36,810,320
17 Food Processing & Sales $10,600,220 $33,643,101
18 Air Transport $10,410,324 $36,878,250
19 Business Services $10,405,624 $48,488,562
20 Insurance $9,493,493 $27,138,268
21 Lodging/Tourism $8,407,088 $40,934,072
22 TV/Movies/Music $7,596,215 $16,330,046
23 Forestry & Forest Products $6,907,221 $17,277,189
24 Railroads $6,596,284 $27,788,245
25 Misc Transport $6,037,563 $27,129,555

I bolded the top 10 industries.

370 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:00:15pm

re: #367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also the antisemitism, which could have been dealt with much more in depth, considering 40s-90s academia -- the movie pawned off the bulk of its commentary on American antisemtism on the crazy vet.

It needed to do more to suspend the disbelief, especially around the tragic mullatto nonsense. Maybe the book does, dunno. The state of Hollywood being as it is, though, they would have to wait until Vin Diesel or Wentworth Miller was Anthony Hopkins' age to make the movie, since those are the only two could plausibly carry the lead role. /

Oh well, it was still worth the rental. I'm making up for it with a Carrie Anne Moss double feature. She is so perfect.

Yeah, Hopkins was a weird choice.

371 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:00:33pm

That probably could use some re-wording. Meh. Screw them. No wonder they never get anything done. They're already set.

372 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:03:00pm

From Opensecrets:

Why should Americans care about the personal finances of their federal lawmakers? There are several key reasons:

• Thousands of companies and special interests groups have business before Congress each year or lobby Congress directly. Some of these businesses may also find themselves the targets of congressional scrutiny for questionable business practices, accidents, even disasters. All the while, lawmakers themselves sometimes have stock holdings or other financial relationships with these corporations and associations, raising the specter of conflicts of interest.

About 1 percent of all Americans are millionaires. In Congress, that number regularly hovers between 40 percent and 50 percent, meaning elected leaders generally need not worry about the economic pressures many Americans face – from securing gainful employment to grappling with keeping a family financially afloat. Decide for yourself if these congressional millionaires are adequately representing your financial interests.

• Congressional members' personal wealth keeps expanding year after year, typically at rates well beyond inflation and any tax increases. The same cannot be said for most Americans. Are your representatives getting rich in Congress and, if so, how?

• Personal financial disclosure reports tell you a lot, but not everything. For example, they're only filed once every year, meaning the information contained may already be stale the day it’s made public. Likewise, lawmakers are only required to disclose their assets in broad ranges, meaning a truly accurate snapshot of a lawmaker's wealth is difficult to ascertain. Legislation has been already put forward to improve disclosure. Contact your member of Congress and let your voice be heard if you don't consider this level of disclosure adequate.

• Further complicating matters: Members of Congress file their personal financial disclosure reports on paper, not by computer. This reduces their timeliness and makes analyzing the documents significantly more challenging than it would otherwise be. Ask your member of Congress to join the 21st century and demand, in the name of transparency, that these documents be filed electronically. In the meantime, support the Center's work making this information more accessible.

373 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:03:19pm

Bed Time. Adios, Lizards. Sweet dreams.

374 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:04:14pm

Read that again folks. In America 1 percent are millionaires.

In congress 40 to 50 percent are millionaires.

375 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:06:53pm

I wonder how little it could actually cost to be a Congress Critter.

You could live in your office, I guess. There are "facilities" in the Capital Building/Rayburn/whatever. No kitchen tho.

You have to have staff.

You have to have computers.

And the stationery!

How much could you accomplish without the wardrobe, the smoozing, the dinners, lunches and other BS? If you don't play-ball, other members won't let you do jack.

376 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:07:21pm

re: #9 Gus 802

I smoke. But what's the deal with that guy taking a drag at the end? Is that supposed to be like, cool or something? Or a sign of defiance?

I have a question about this - at what second is this in the clip? Didn't notice it.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:08:15pm

re: #375 ggt

I wonder how little it could actually cost to be a Congress Critter.

You could live in your office, I guess. There are "facilities" in the Capital Building/Rayburn/whatever. No kitchen tho.

You have to have staff.

You have to have computers.

And the stationery!

How much could you accomplish without the wardrobe, the smoozing, the dinners, lunches and other BS? If you don't play-ball, other members won't let you do jack.

And you arrive in your new office with political debt to the Party. That has to suck.

378 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:08:48pm

re: #376 Sergey Romanov

I have a question about this - at what second is this in the clip? Didn't notice it.

0:40

379 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:10:08pm

re: #351 publicityStunted

I should also add that the entertainment industry, instead of idiotic, despotic stuff-the-genie-back-in-the-bottle crap like this, should get a little creative (that's what they're supposed to be in the first place, isn't it?) and adapt their business model to the Internet (instead of heavy-handedly and stupidly demanding the Internet adapt to them).

In any case, when I hear things like this, it makes me all the happier I haven't bothered seeing a Big Hollywood release in years.*

*Hell, 90+plus percent of it is such derivative crap that I can't even be bothered wasting the bandwidth to download it

The problem with that is threefold:

1. Large companies like a media conglomerate are hard to change. Changing the business model takes years and there would be all sorts of internal changes. Friction would only be the start of it.

2. Those in positions of power in such a large firm (even down to the higher part of mid-level) may well fear such changes. Major changes to a business have a way of revealing some people as unable to adapt, which may get those people fired. Those who fear they may be unable to adapt will not welcome major changes.

3. "All power corrupts..." A large established corporation will always have the temptation to say "Why should that punk new guy force us to change?" Given the risks involved with change, using the law as a bludgedon to stop the change is like the Dark Side of the Force: Not stronger, but easier, quicker, more seductive. Have Congress squash the upstart flat, and then you have nothing to worry about. This, of course, is the businessmen's attitude Adam Smith warned of. He believed that government needed to resist the temptation to squash on command, and should instead enforce the rules fairly.

380 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:11:07pm

re: #378 Gus 802

0:40

Well, OK. That's what I get for using two browsers. Was watching the clip on the main page of Cain's YT page by following the link, instead of the clip here.

381 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:12:14pm

re: #376 Sergey Romanov

I have a question about this - at what second is this in the clip? Didn't notice it.

It's a shout-out to the red-necks, the bikers, the anarchists.

"We are You!"

382 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:12:21pm

re: #380 Sergey Romanov

Well, OK. That's what I get for using two browsers. Was watching the clip on the main page of Cain's YT page by following the link, instead of the clip here.

(At the end of which there's also the same creepy smile, BTW.)

383 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:12:37pm

re: #380 Sergey Romanov

Well, OK. That's what I get for using two browsers. Was watching the clip on the main page of Cain's YT page by following the link, instead of the clip here.

Pretty weird aye? That smoking thing and then Cain with that grin. Whew.

384 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:13:35pm

re: #383 Gus 802

Pretty weird aye? That smoking thing and then Cain with that grin. Whew.

Yeah, some scruffy guy babbling something. What is it I don't even

385 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:13:41pm

re: #381 ggt

It's a shout-out to the red-necks, the bikers, the anarchists.

"We are You!"

Hell. I'm a smoker. I curse sometimes. I hate the IRS. I drink. I listen to country music sometimes. I would never vote for Cain. ;)

386 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:15:17pm

re: #385 Gus 802

Hell. I'm a smoker. I curse sometimes. I hate the IRS. I drink. I listen to country music sometimes. I would never vote for Cain. ;)

I smoke, I curse most of the time, I hate the IRS, I drink Coffee, and I don't listen to country. I'm not voting for Cain either.

Perhaps we should take a poll?

Smokers for Cain

Smokers against Cain.

Smokers for Abel

Smokers against Abel

?

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:16:15pm

But Cain probably has the Creepy Vote now.

388 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:16:34pm

I wonder what market that ad is running in. . . .

389 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:18:33pm

re: #388 ggt

I wonder what market that ad is running in. . . .

Iowa?

390 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:19:02pm

re: #389 Gus 802

New Hampster?

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:21:00pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Iowa?

Texas, Kentucky, Colorado . . .

392 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:22:40pm

re: #390 Floral Giraffe

New Hampster?

The problem with New Hampster is that stuff just goes around and around...

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:22:49pm

Floral!

Just for you!

And this is sooooo cute!

394 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:24:37pm

Cain's leer at the camera reminds me of a guy blowing off a fart in a crowded elevator.

395 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:28:16pm
396 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:30:40pm

re: #352 Gus 802

SCOTUS

1 Ruth Bader Ginsburg $10,700,013 $28,090,006 $45,480,000
2 Stephen G. Breyer $4,590,061 $10,410,030 $16,230,000
3 John Paul Stevens $1,690,012 $4,177,506 $6,665,000
4 John G. Roberts $2,145,037 $3,680,018 $5,215,000
5 Antonin Scalia $1,250,020 $2,130,010 $3,010,000
6 Elena Kagan $1,080,020 $1,835,010 $2,590,000
7 Samuel A. Alito $295,007 $580,003 $865,000
8 Anthony M. Kennedy $165,003 $290,001 $415,000
9 Clarence Thomas $150,002 $280,001 $410,000
10 Sonia Sotomayor $-94,999 $-22,500 $49,999

One small caveat with this list regarding Clarence Thomas. His numbers are so low because he doesn't report all of his household income as required by law.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

WASHINGTON -- Democratic lawmakers on Thursday called for a federal investigation into Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas' failure to report hundreds of thousands of dollars on annual financial disclosure forms.

Led by House Rules Committee ranking member Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.), 20 House Democrats sent a letter to the Judicial Conference of the United States -- the entity that frames guidelines for the administration of federal courts -- requesting that the conference refer the matter of Thomas' non-compliance with the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 to the Department of Justice.

The letter outlines how, throughout his 20-year tenure on the Supreme Court, Thomas routinely checked a box titled "none" on his annual financial disclosure forms, indicating that his wife had received no income. But in reality, the letter states, she earned nearly $700,000 from the Heritage Foundation from 2003 to 2007 alone.

Also mentioned in the article is the fact that Thomas has refused to recuse himself in Supreme Court cases involving the Heritage Foundation.

397 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:30:47pm

re: #393 ggt

Floral!

Just for you!

And this is sooo cute!

:(
The first one is out of stock. Sniff.
I did go back & look at the cute store that had bustiers today...
Hope they get marked down after Halloween!

398 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:31:44pm

re: #395 goddamnedfrank

What is this I don't even

The look that says "I lost my puppy. Want to climb in my van and help me look for it? Your mom won't mind."

399 Gus  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:34:39pm

Anyway. My connection is being wonky so I'm going to head to bed. Later folks.

400 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:38:12pm

The South is trying to rise again.

so sad.

401 Kragar  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:40:24pm

re: #400 ggt

The South is trying to rise again.

so sad.

It explains why they think viagra is a medical necessity.

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:42:31pm

Bother Puppy field training update.

If you remember he got a new blaze orange collar to wear on Saturday and WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT.

Anyway, he did well, he flushed every bird , he went and got each one, but did not complete the retrieves as the chucker was much, much too much fun to play with. All and all, the hunter/trainers were very pleased.

Bother Puppy slept all night long.

403 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:43:21pm

re: #401 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It explains why they think viagra is a medical necessity.

viagra, hillbillie heroin, Budweiser . . .

404 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:45:15pm

oh, I forgot to add:

The milo was high and Bother Puppy with his long coif (for the show-ring) came back FULL of little burrs.

He did not enjoy having them removed. Was a total drama queen about it.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:57:08pm

I killed the thread, didn't I?

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 10:59:57pm

re: #405 ggt

I killed the thread, didn't I?

Nah. It stumbled and broke its neck.

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:00:53pm

re: #406 Sergey Romanov

Nah. It stumbled and broke its neck.

You stuck your foot out didn't you?

408 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:28:52pm

re: #405 ggt

I killed the thread, didn't I?

No, it just went sleepy while I was away.

409 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:30:00pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

No, it just went sleepy while I was away.

Where'd you go?

410 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:41:01pm

re: #405 ggt

I killed the thread, didn't I?

re: #406 Sergey Romanov

Nah. It stumbled and broke its neck.

re: #407 ggt

You stuck your foot out didn't you?

411 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:42:47pm

re: #409 ggt

Where'd you go?

I was trying to find something I'd been looking for, but I spent most of the time dealing with freezes. But I did find it. But having found what I sought, it's now time for bed. Goodnight, all.

412 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:43:23pm

re: #410 talon_262

I think he broke his fuckin' neck.

413 jvic  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:45:44pm

Re: Congressional Wealth

1. Don't forget the insider trading they do. For example, see here, here, and here; these are picked from the first few items in a Google search.

2. If they were held to the same standards as business executives or hedge fund managers, many people in Congress would be in jail.

3. As long as the country is reflexively polarized, a critical mass of opposition to corrupt insider trading will not form. (The same applies to the government's attempts to control the Internet on behalf of creative artists media conglomerates.) I ask again as I've asked before: who benefits from the kneejerk polarization?

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 11:50:11pm

re: #413 jvic

Re: Congressional Wealth

1. Don't forget the insider trading they do. For example, see here, here, and here; these are picked from the first few items in a Google search.

2. If they were held to the same standards as business executives or hedge fund managers, many people in Congress would be in jail.

3. As long as the country is reflexively polarized, a critical mass of opposition to corrupt insider trading will not form. (The same applies to the government's attempts to control the Internet on behalf of creative artists media conglomerates.) I ask again as I've asked before: who benefits from the kneejerk polarization?

Will you Page this?

415 jvic  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:15:28am

re: #414 ggt

Will you Page this?

I don't plan on it. It fits in well with the discussion of Congressional finances in this thread: a discussion which has run its course. Besides, most Pages rapidly sink below the fold whereas many people skim all the comments in a post.

416 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:17:05am

A song covering the joys of multiculturalism

417 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:18:17am

Zombie Varek need moar coffee!

Morning... or something.

418 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:19:16am

Enough irony to destroy all Irony DetectorsTM...

419 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:21:19am

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Enough irony to destroy all Irony DetectorsTM...

[Video]

My song was better.

420 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:22:04am

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Enough irony to destroy all Irony DetectorsTM...

[Video]

Der, Derp and Derpy wouldn't know irony if it whacked em in the head.

421 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:22:38am

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

white people should not sport dreadlocks. full stop.

422 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:23:11am

re: #421 Slumbering Behemoth

white people should not sport dreadlocks. full stop.

Excuse I.

423 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:24:43am

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Enough irony to destroy all Irony DetectorsTM...

[Video]

Some more irony from F&F.
XD

424 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:25:12am

Night all!

425 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:33:20am

Fuck all the pot-leaf emblazoned, knit capped, commercial crap. It's not cool because ganja.

427 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:40:26am

I've listened to too much crap music tonight. Palette cleanser from the Krista Branch shitte...

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:46:41am

re: #427 Slumbering Behemoth

I've listened to too much crap music tonight. Palette cleanser from the Krista Branch shitte...

[Video]

To go or not to go Grammar Nazi...

429 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:51:09am

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

To go or not to go Grammar Nazi...

Would that be an action of Godwording as opposed to Godwining?

Fuck it, blame the damn spellchecker. Don't judge me. DON'T YOU JUDGE ME!

430 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:57:53am

re: #429 Slumbering Behemoth

Would that be an action of Godwording as opposed to Godwining?

Fuck it, blame the damn spellchecker. Don't judge me. DON'T YOU JUDGE ME!

I'll go Grammar Commie...

431 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:04:21am

re: #430 Sergey Romanov

Suck my Freedom, pinko! And wash it down with this psychedelic, rock, metal... whatever! Just listen, it's Awesome.

432 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:06:24am

Someone mention Grammar Nazis?

HEIL SPELLCHECK!

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:10:44am

re: #431 Slumbering Behemoth

Listenable, I guess.

434 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:12:58am

Boy, I sure am glad we spent $150 million bucks a piece for planes we can't even fly.

No Fix in Sight as Stealth Fighters’ Oxygen Woes Spread

Orders grounding the Air Force’s F-22 Raptor stealth fighter spread from Virginia to Alaska this weekend, briefly sidelining up to half of the roughly 170 Raptors. It’s becoming clearer by the day that the problems vexing America’s premier stealth fighter are neither minor nor temporary.

The current lock-down echoes a fleet-wide grounding between May and September that was prompted by a suspected flaw in the $150-million-a-copy jet’s onb0ard oxygen-generating system. Pilots had reported mid-flight blackouts and disorientation, possibly resulting from too much nitrogen in their air mix.

Despite an extensive investigation, the Air Force never found the flaw in the oxygen generator. The brass ordered an additional filter installed in the oxygen system, then sent the Raptors back into the air on Sept. 19. “We’re managing the risks with our aircrews, and we’re continuing to study the F-22’s oxygen systems and collect data to improve its performance,” said Gen. Norton Schwartz, the Air Force chief of staff.

Thats 3 functional F-18e Super Hornets that didn't get built so that this pile of junk could sit on an air field.

435 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:15:20am

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone mention Grammar Nazis?

[Video]HEIL SPELLCHECK!

Yeah, watch out. Your participle might be dangling.

436 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:15:53am

re: #435 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, watch out. Your participle might be dangling.

I doubt it. Briefs, not boxers.

437 Lidane  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:16:02am

re: #307 publicityStunted

Not if these glorious douchebags have anything to say about it:

I'm already expecting to spend the next seven weeks talking about that bunch of legislative fail in my Digital Law class.

438 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:18:17am

re: #433 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Tastes differ. I'm a Metal Head, so it appeals to me.

439 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:33:42am

So apparently I've also come into possession of the entire accumulation of Pokemon cards by me and my siblings from when we were really into that stuff in 1998-2002.

...

;_; so ronery

440 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:38:39am

re: #434 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boy, I sure am glad we spent $150 million bucks a piece for planes we can't even fly.

No Fix in Sight as Stealth Fighters’ Oxygen Woes Spread

Thats 3 functional F-18e Super Hornets that didn't get built so that this pile of junk could sit on an air field.

Hey, be glad. Some stupid petrified, belligerent con somewhere in America got to "feel secure" for a couple seconds.

And we know how they get when they can't "feel secure" e_e Such big spenders they are, with other people's money.

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:39:03am

re: #439 laZardo

Burn it. Burn it with fire.

442 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:43:40am

re: #92 Lidane

I've watched it twice -- once with sound and once without. It just makes no damned sense either way. WTF.

Maybe Herman should have used the Marlboro Man instead.

It's pretty obvious their budget didn't run to a shovel.

('m sorry. I'm really, really sorry.)

443 researchok  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:49:48am

Morning, all

444 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:52:15am

:[

I bought the one without this..

>:[

445 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:52:55am

re: #443 researchok

Morning, all

Good morning, Dave.

446 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:56:28am

re: #441 Sergey Romanov

Not when there is profit to be made off the filthy weeaboos who fetishize this sort of collectible hobby.

447 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 1:57:10am

re: #446 laZardo

Not when there is profit to be made off the filthy weeaboos who fetishize this sort of collectible hobby.

BUT THEY WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN

448 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:02:37am

re: #444 Slumbering Behemoth

That one is good.

449 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:10:23am

re: #448 Sergey Romanov

More than decent cover of one of my Top Five all time favorite Sabbath tracks.

But I'm an odd fan of the odd Sabbath.

450 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:15:27am

re: #447 Sergey Romanov

BUT I'LL HAVE CASH

451 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:18:37am

re: #450 laZardo

OKAY

452 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:27:24am

Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime...

Well, enough of the Grandpa Metal.

Peace out.

453 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:18:23am

Morning Folks, smoke 'em if you got 'em!

454 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:28:23am

Pioneering black Marines are due for their badge of courage
After fighting discrimination in the '40s, they're now on the verge of receiving the Congressional Gold Medal
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Crispus Attucks High School just wasn't for Averitte Corley.

So he decided to enlist in the U.S. Marine Corps -- even if, in 1945, it was still segregated and had only just begun taking blacks.

"Some of the old guys said upfront, 'We don't want you here and you can turn around and go home, for all we care,' " said Corley, 84. "There was all kinds of discrimination. I liked it, though, and I found a home in the Marines."

Corley was one of about 20,000 Montford Point Marines, the first black fighters in the last U.S. military branch to accept them. They trained in a separate facility, called Montford Point, at Camp Lejeune, N.C.

While the African-American Army Buffalo Soldiers and the Air Force Tuskegee Airmen have had some measure of renown, the first black Marines have grown old mostly in obscurity.

Until now, perhaps.

455 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:30:18am

re: #454 RogueOne

We are damn lucky that any black people were willing to look past their contemptible, shameful treatment by our society and pick up arms in defense of it in World War II.

456 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:39:55am

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

New York cops defy order to arrest hundreds of ‘Occupy Albany’ protesters

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:40:35am

Morning Honcos.

458 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:43:36am

re: #457 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gninrom, ocnoh.

459 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:44:29am

re: #458 Sergey Romanov

Gninrom, ocnoh.

WITCH!!!

460 EdDantes  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:47:46am

re: #459 Varek Raith

He turned me into a newt!

461 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:48:42am

re: #460 EdDantes

He turned me into a newt!

Compared to your previous state, you got better./

462 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:49:27am

87yr old retired Vet picks up odd jobs to leave inheritance to his grandkids...gets hassled by The Man:

Indiana resident, 87, is released on bond 3 days after, police say, he drove pickup loaded with drugs
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

DETROIT -- An 87-year-old Indiana man arrested with 104 bricks of cocaine in his pickup truck told a judge Monday that he was forced at gunpoint to carry the load.

During a boisterous appearance in court, Leo Sharp had trouble keeping quiet, even after he was warned that anything he said could be used against him. There were grins and occasional laughter from lawyers, spectators and U.S. Magistrate Judge Mark Randon.
......
With the help of a drug-sniffing dog, state troopers discovered 104 brick-sized packages of cocaine Friday, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

"You're dealing with a man forced to do what I did by gunpoint," Sharp told the judge.
.......
The judge had to speak loudly after Sharp said he had lost some hearing during a war. Sharp did not elaborate.

Sharp asked that he be allowed to get medicine that apparently had been seized by officers.

"I could have a stroke," he said.

At another point, Sharp said he probably could read better than anyone in the courtroom and that he's writing a book. He "absolutely" promised to return to court on Nov. 10. "You're the boss," Sharp told the judge, who ordered a mental-health evaluation.

"I'm sorry, sir, to be so troublesome," Sharp said.

463 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:50:39am

When did Camtasia start sucking so badly? The same clip in the timeline four times results in it playing black every other time.

464 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:50:54am

re: #462 RogueOne

What do they have against small businessmen?!/

465 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:53:18am

Good Morning Honcos!

466 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:53:37am

re: #464 Sergey Romanov

What do they have against small businessmen?!/

I think the drug runners are going to have to re-think their plan. He was pulled over for "Improper lane usage" which I think means he had his left turn signal on for 3 miles.//

467 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:53:55am

re: #455 Obdicut

We are damn lucky that any black and Japanese people were willing to look past their contemptible, shameful treatment by our society and pick up arms in defense of it in World War II.

ftfy

468 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:54:09am

re: #462 RogueOne

200 pounds.
200.
Wowzers.

469 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:54:17am

TAMPA — He was bullied as a child and traumatized after one-night stands in college. Catholic guilt made him repress his homosexuality.

It destroyed his self-esteem and opened the door to chat rooms and Internet file sharing services for child pornography.

Those are the circumstances that former Brandon High School guidance counselor Robert Frederick Murray and his defense attorney asserted led him to download more than 250,000 images and videos of child pornography or erotica since at least 2001.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

I'll give him the a break for a tough childhood and bad decision making in college. And say you're in a chat room and someone sends you an email and you open it. That'll happen. It won't happen 250,000 times.

470 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:56:45am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

OH NO NOT MR. BEAN

471 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:58:01am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who hasn't been traumatized after a college one-night stand? "I never went to bed with an ugly woman but I woke up with a few"

472 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 3:59:39am

re: #471 RogueOne

Who hasn't been traumatized after a college one-night stand? "I never went to bed with an ugly woman but I woke up with a few"

An Army LTC I'm going to school with was discussing a female intepreter that worked for him. She was slightly attractive. One of his soldiers told him "Sir, she's one plane ride away from being ugly".

473 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:00:59am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

It destroyed his self-esteem and opened the door to chat rooms and Internet file sharing services for child pornography.

If only he had been given more trophies for participation!!
//

474 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:05:13am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's one Anon out of the way...

/ :B

475 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:05:35am

re: #472 rwdflynavy

We need to have a closed thread for horrible sex related military stories. I have a couple that are completely inappropriate for the general public. One involving a hooker and an MRE ham slice.....

476 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:06:13am

re: #474 laZardo

/ :B

Is that a "two big teeth" smile?

477 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:06:16am

Just for the semniotic approach, I watched the Can ad without sound and found that it resembled a scene from a German TV detective show from the 1970's.

And why does this man feel compelled to shake his head so much when he talks?

478 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:06:26am

re: #474 laZardo

That's one Anon out of the way...

/ :B

You just made the list buddy!!!
//

479 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:07:22am

re: #475 RogueOne

We need to have a closed thread for horrible sex related military stories. I have a couple that are completely inappropriate for the general public. One involving a hooker and an MRE ham slice...

Donkey shows...or so I've heard...

480 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:09:05am

re: #475 RogueOne

We need to have a closed thread for horrible sex related military stories. I have a couple that are completely inappropriate for the general public. One involving a hooker and an MRE ham slice...

As everybody knows, LGF is irrelevant and nobody reads us. So start a-typin'!

/

481 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:09:36am

re: #475 RogueOne

We need to have a closed thread for horrible sex related military stories. I have a couple that are completely inappropriate for the general public. One involving a hooker and an MRE ham slice...

We had an airman on one of my dets making his first cruise. His buddies took him to his first strip club in South Africa. I wasn't there, so I don't know the whole story about how he had all the hair burned off his legs at the show...

Same kid used to send his film home for his Mom to take to the Piggly Wiggly and get developed. Another character on the det filled a roll with pictures of his own junk. That would probably land you in jail these days...ah good times.

482 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:09:36am

re: #475 RogueOne

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

The below story is a pretty good example from the thread:

At the age of about 12, I had my first truly embarrassing semi-sexual experience. It was also the first time I ever ejaculated; I guess I was cursed from that day. My parents were out of the house at the time at dinner or something and I was all alone. I knew that my dad hid his porno-tapes under his dresser so as soon as that door clicked shut I ran for their bedroom. Figuring that I was doing something right as I could never make anything come out, I was determined to rectify the situation that night.

So there I stood in front of my parents huge wood-console TV masturbating to early 80's porn, when something weird started to happen, something I had never experienced before. My leg started to shake, my eyes rolled into the back of my head, and I unleashed the fury of my first ejaculation. Unfortunately it made me quite light-headed, and I lunged forward at the solid oak TV cabinet, and knocked myself the fuck out.

So when my parents came home, they found their 12 year-old son lying unconscious, pants around his ankles, in front of a TV blaring with porn and covered in man chowder. My parents never brought it up again, thank god.

483 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:10:42am

re: #480 Sergey Romanov

As everybody knows, LGF is irrelevant and nobody reads us. So start a-typin'!

/

I don't need a time-out. I got mine out of the way early.

484 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:11:26am

re: #482 Obdicut

HaHaHaHaHa!

485 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:11:35am

re: #483 RogueOne

I don't need a time-out. I got mine out of the way early.

You got a time out? Heh.

486 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:12:16am

re: #482 Obdicut
12? A later bloomer. I was a semi-pro at that point!!

487 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:13:18am

re: #485 Cannadian Club Akbar

You got a time out? Heh.

Stupid Balloon Boy!

488 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:15:54am

re: #487 RogueOne

Balloon Boy is still my favorite story of the century. The anniversary was last week:
Image: i_want_to_believe.jpg

489 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:16:02am

On a later cruise, 2 of my junior pilots were trying desperately to find some "easy" girls in Romania. They ended up in some highrise slum with some questionable "ladies" and gents armed with AK-47s. They are lucky to be alive. Why yes, alcohol was involved, why do you ask?

490 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:17:49am

re: #489 rwdflynavy

I love how you guys call deployments "cruises". That's such a nice way to put it. Sounds like a blast, who wouldn't want to sign up for a cruise?

491 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:17:54am

re: #487 RogueOne

Stupid Balloon Boy!

WTF did you say? (I promise to laugh)

492 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:18:10am

re: #489 rwdflynavy

A friend of mine who is a diplomat managed to have sex with a Chinese minister's wife at a party in his honor and then tell him about it because my friend thought she was a prostitute that the minister had hired to have sex with the party guests.

He's not a very good diplomat.

493 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:18:37am

re: #491 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF did you say? (I promise to laugh)

Prolly said it was a scam or some crazy thing like that./

494 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:18:59am

re: #489 rwdflynavy

Have you seen the show "Carrier", and if so, what do you think of it?

495 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:19:11am

re: #492 Obdicut

A friend of mine who is a diplomat managed to have sex with a Chinese minister's wife at a party in his honor and then tell him about it because my friend thought she was a prostitute that the minister had hired to have sex with the party guests.

He's not a very good diplomat.

Or, he's a GREAT diplomat!!

496 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:19:26am

re: #486 rwdflynavy

12? A later bloomer. I was a semi-pro at that point!!

Happened to me when I was watching a Kirk Douglas movie about French voyageurs. Ever since then I have been heavily into voyageurism...

497 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:21:17am

re: #494 Obdicut

Have you seen the show "Carrier", and if so, what do you think of it?

I saw some of it. I thought it was a good show. I did cringe a lot at what some of the less "worldly" Sailors had to say on camera, but you take the good with the bad. I only did one cruise on a carrier, spent most of my time on frigates and destroyers.

498 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:21:23am

re: #491 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF did you say? (I promise to laugh)

I was brand new and no one knew my sense of humor at that point. I started making fun of all the dope smokers in Denver, made fun of the people who were freaking out about a little kid they didn't know in a balloon, Walter cussed me up one side and down the other. I was watching the family interview on Wolf Blitzer and didn't take into account that those in the western time zone couldn't see it and people assumed I was lying when I said the little kid said they did it for "the show"...and then the dad farted.

499 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:23:21am

Best TV moment of the last 20 years!

500 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:25:04am

Bellingham, Washington, is admired for its green power purchases, its innovative building efficiency program, and the "buy local" ethos of its bustling Saturday farmers' market.
....
Plans are under way for a $500 million marine terminal that would make Bellingham a gateway to energy-hungry Asia for the U.S. coal industry. As many as 18 new freight trains per day would run back and forth from the Powder River Basin of Wyoming and Montana to carry coal to the new port. The tracks pass just a few hundred yards from the craft and vegetable stands of the Bellingham farmers' market.

At standing-room-only panel discussions and rallies, Bellingham residents-including the mayor of this city of 81,000-are focused on the noise, pollution, and traffic congestion raised by the Gateway Pacific Terminal project. Meanwhile, port operator SSA Marine emphasizes the promise of 1,250 permanent jobs and $200 million annually in new economic activity.
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]

501 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:27:36am

re: #500 Cannadian Club Akbar

Seems that if they are serious about the economic benefits of this project and cannot reroute the tracks, then they can probably pay to move the farmer's market.

502 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:28:49am

Gotta run. Later Lizards!!

503 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:28:59am

re: #499 RogueOne

Naming you child Falcon should be punishable by law, unless you're in a late 1980's CBS TV show.

504 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:30:34am

re: #501 ralphieboy

Then there is this FTA:
Not long ago, Bellingham was raking in recognition for becoming one of the only communities in the United States to wean itself entirely from electricity generated from fossil fuels.

505 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:32:15am

re: #499 RogueOne

Best TV moment of the last 20 years!

[Video]

How do you know it was the dad? /

506 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:35:08am

re: #505 Sergey Romanov

How do you know it was the dad? /

Because that makes it funnier, Dont try to ruin it for me with facts! After the little kid blows their plan up on live TV all the dad can say is "..man.." and then farts.

507 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:37:03am

re: #506 RogueOne

Because that makes it funnier, Dont try to ruin it for me with facts! After the little kid blows their plan up on live TV all the dad can say is "..man.." and then farts.

Maybe the stupidity of it all just caused a rip in spacetime.

508 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:37:49am

re: #506 RogueOne

Because that makes it funnier, Dont try to ruin it for me with facts! After the little kid blows their plan up on live TV all the dad can say is "..man.." and then farts.

I can't believe people like that dad are running the streets and Lindsay Lohan is rotting in jail.
///

509 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:38:08am

This story is a week old but I just saw this graphic:

Private prison industry grows despite critics
Some fear for-profit corrections companies fuel growth, ignore safety
[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

We're #1!

This is the story of a dangerous business: the billions of dollars that flow into the American prison industry and the companies that profit from it.

No nation on the planet holds more of its people behind bars: 2.3 million prisoners—as many as China and Russia combined. The nation's prisons employ nearly 800,000 workers, more than the auto manufacturing industry.

Image: Corrections-CA-statement11.jpg

510 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:38:59am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can't believe people like that dad are running the streets and Lindsay Lohan is rotting in jail.
///

Poor lindsey just needs a mentor. She can move in with me, I'll take one for the team.

511 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:43:26am

We were talking about India this weekend:

285 girls make fresh start in India by changing their names from 'Unwanted'
[Link: photoblog.msnbc.msn.com...]

Indian girls hold up their name change certificates during a ceremony in Satara, some 250kms from Mumbai, on Oct. 22. More than 100 Indian girls named "Unwanted" by their parents are to get new names this weekend as part of a campaign to tackle bias against women that has led to the country's huge gender imbalance. The girls named "Nakusa", which means "unwanted" in the local Marathi language of western Maharashtra state, got rid of their first name for good under an initiative in the district of Satara.

Image: pb-111022-names-cannon.photoblog900.jpg

512 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:44:11am

re: #510 RogueOne

Poor lindsey just needs a mentor. She can move in with me, I'll take one for the team.

That's what her father is for.
[Link: www.wtsp.com...]

513 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:45:53am

re: #512 Cannadian Club Akbar

Looks like he's got the arrest thing down, complained of "chest pains"

514 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:49:01am

Cop nearly killed our dog after he slapped it and knocked it out window, Bronx family claims

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

A Bronx family is suing police for pushing their tiny dog out of a third-story window - but cops say the officer was just trying to quiet the yapping menace during a chaotic raid.

Iris Ramos says in her suit that cops burst into her Castle Hill apartment last October and threatened her family with guns. When Chuwie, her miniature doberman-pomeranian mix, started barking at the cops, one of them smacked it out of the window, according to the suit, filed in Bronx Supreme Court.

"Guns were pointed in their faces," said the family's lawyer, Jeffrey Emdin. "A police officer smacked the dog and sent him flying out the window, 20 feet to the ground."

Chuwie, who weighs just seven pounds, was shaken up by the fall and hard landing, but survived.

Police arrested Ramos' daughter, brother and two other relatives on drug possession charges, which were later dropped.

The family also claims that $1,200 in cash and jewelry disappeared amid the raid.

515 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 4:51:37am

re: #513 Shropshire_Slasher

Looks like he's got the arrest thing down, complained of "chest pains"

He's just putting off the inevitable. When you get booked for domestic violence in Florida, no bail for 24 hours. So, he should have just manned up and gone in. They waited until after the hospital trip to arrest him, that way the county isn't on the hook for his medical expenses.

516 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:07:07am

I try to keep track of some of the big media splash arrests. The Hutaree cases were supposed to go to trial in September but it's been pushed back til Feb '12. The other one is the Mohler clan from MO. Theirs was supposed to start this month but it has been pushed back to April '12. The More You Know...

517 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:12:58am

Oh goodie. A new place is opening about 3/4 of a mile from where I am sitting. I'll apply but I don't see it happening. Because old people don't actually know what they're doing.

518 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:13:37am

RIP Shaun Cassidy:

[Link: blogs.westword.com...]

Early this month, Azura Lakin, 21, killed her former boyfriend, Shaun Cassidy, 23, with a beer bottle. That fact was never in dispute. But the question of whether Lakin was acting in self-defense was, until a hearing yesterday, when officials decided against filing charges -- a determination that left Cassidy's family fuming.

As we reported, Cassidy, who's from Montrose, and Lakin got into an argument while out and about in Fort Collins, where she lives -- and things didn't calm down upon their arrival at her apartment, in the Gables at Silverplume complex on Swallow Road.

That's where Lakin slashed Cassidy across the throat with a broken beer bottle. He was rushed to the hospital in critical condition and subsequently died of what the coroner described as "extensive cerebral infarction" related to stabs and cuts to his neck, with "blunt-force injury" on the left side of his head an additional factor.

519 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:18:26am

re: #518 RogueOne

C'mon get happy!!

520 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:28:58am

re: #504 Cannadian Club Akbar

Energy is a global issue. But this juxtaposition really highlights the contradictions between US energy policy, local initiatives and the global market.

521 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:30:37am

I think this guy might be confused. Check out the expression on the lady behind him:

[Link: www.apimages.com...]

522 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:31:55am
523 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:35:12am

re: #521 RogueOne

IRONY ALERT!!!

524 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:36:03am

re: #523 ralphieboy

It was awfully nice of the AP to put the guys name out there for everyone. I'm not sure who's dumber, him or the AP.

525 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:36:26am

re: #521 RogueOne

I think this guy might be confused. Check out the expression on the lady behind him:

[Link: www.apimages.com...]

Heh, that's almost as obnoxious as AP's watermark.
:P

526 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:37:47am

re: #524 RogueOne

It was awfully nice of the AP to put the guys name out there for everyone. I'm not sure who's dumber, him or the AP.

The AP is dumber. Do they think someone will actually pay to have a copy of that pic? Wait....

527 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:38:49am

re: #525 Varek Raith

The cops didn't think it was funny either:
[Link: www.apimages.com...]

New York State Police Major William Sprague, left, talks with ....., of Troy, N.Y., about his choice of sign and his right to free speech that offended some demonstrators in a crowd supporting the Occupy Wall Street

I tried the print preview function to get around the watermark but didn't have any luck.

528 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:39:47am

Morning Lizardim. What's the news of the morning?

529 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:39:50am

About to get arrested at OWS?

There's an app for that!

‘Getting Arrested’ App Created For OWS Protesters

530 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:40:27am

re: #528 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. What's the news of the morning?

Killing whitey.
///

531 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:40:42am

Let's take the pic Rogue posted and mix it with the pic Varek posted and we'll get Kill Douchebags.

532 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:40:53am
533 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:41:38am

re: #530 Varek Raith

Killing whitey.
///

I'd wear that on a t-shirt just to see what kind of response I'd get.

534 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:41:40am

re: #532 laZardo

OH GOD I AM SO PSYCHED RIGHT NOW

Keep it in your pants.
/

535 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:43:25am

re: #532 laZardo

OH GOD I AM SO PSYCHED RIGHT NOW

Bah, Saint's Row the Third for the win!

536 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:44:11am

re: #535 Varek Raith

Bah, Saint's Row the Third for the win!

537 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:44:13am

re: #535 Varek Raith

The only reason I didn't get the first two was that the first wasn't on PS3 and the second didn't have trophies.

There, I said it.

538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:44:58am

The most disgusting (germy) surface that most of us encounter frequently?

A gas pump handle.

That surprised me.

539 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:44:59am
540 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:45:59am

re: #527 RogueOne

The cops didn't think it was funny either:
[Link: www.apimages.com...]

I tried the print preview function to get around the watermark but didn't have any luck.

No watermark...

Image: 10169651-large.jpg

541 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:46:08am

re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The most disgusting (germy) surface that most of us encounter frequently?

A gas pump handle.

That surprised me.

Strange. Thought it would be a keyboard.

542 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:47:39am

re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The most disgusting (germy) surface that most of us encounter frequently?

A gas pump handle.

That surprised me.

That one actually doesn't surprise me terribly much. Do you know the kinds of crazy/disgusting things people do in the car before pulling up to a gas station?

543 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:48:09am

re: #540 NJDhockeyfan

No watermark...

Image: 10169651-large.jpg

The cop is all like "well, whatcha gonna do".

544 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:48:43am

re: #541 Sergey Romanov

I think they mean other people's infectious materials too.

...

...what?

545 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:53:01am
He changed the world but he also had extremely smelly feet.
546 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:53:21am

Protesters Having Sex, Losing Virginity At Occupy Wall Street

...One protester who left his girlfriend behind in California has "shared sleeping bags with... several women" and says, "It’s a natural human thing. It’s part of our support structure. It’s nice to have someone to care about. It’s nice to have someone to hug and kiss." As it happens, the NY Times Magazine had a photograph of two young protesters, and the 19-year-old revealed, "I’m doing well now, though. I drank six Four Lokos with Core, a beer or two. And then we ordered an iced mocha and two chicken fingers and large fries. I lost my virginity today. I was amped for it."

...

Is this her 15 minutes of fame? Her parents must be so proud.

547 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:53:29am

re: #542 thedopefishlives

In addition to the fact that, as the article mentions, gas pump handles aren't cleaned. Ever. Which makes them perfect as a breeding ground for all sorts of nastiness.

548 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:53:35am

re: #543 Sergey Romanov

The cop is all like "well, whatcha gonna do".

the donut eating fat bastard is just hoping the guy doesn't take off running.

549 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:54:30am

At this moment, Romney's odds on Intrade are 66.6. It's like... fate, man.

550 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:54:31am

re: #545 Sergey Romanov

...but he also had extremely smelly feet.

My wife and kids tell me the same thing. I don't know what they are talking about.

551 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:55:25am

re: #548 RogueOne

the donut eating fat bastard is just hoping the guy doesn't take off running.

This? Not nice.
/

552 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:55:58am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Protesters Having Sex, Losing Virginity At Occupy Wall Street

Is this her 15 minutes of fame? Her parents must be so proud.

Virgin at 19? Must be a conservative.

553 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:56:19am

re: #550 NJDhockeyfan

My wife and kids tell me the same thing. I don't know what they are talking about.

But are you a genius CEO? (And are you made of wood?)

554 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:56:36am
555 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:57:03am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Eww, how unhygienic.

556 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:57:40am

re: #552 Decatur Deb

Virgin at 19? Must be a conservative.

I'm 24. Does that make me a fascist?

i didn't just say that did i

;-;

557 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:58:46am

re: #549 Decatur Deb

At this moment, Romney's odds on Intrade are 66.6. It's like... fate, man.

Well, it makes sense with mormonism being a cult and all....

558 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 5:59:33am

re: #556 laZardo

I'm 24. Does that make me a fascist?

i didn't just say that did i

;-;

A goddamned nazi.
/

559 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:00:25am

re: #553 Sergey Romanov

But are you a genius CEO? (And are you made of wood?)

No, just a regular guy made of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus.

560 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:00:37am

re: #558 Varek Raith

A goddamned nazi.
/

I guess that explains Stormfront, then.

/ducks

561 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:01:36am

re: #554 laZardo

White people.

:B

Look at the shifty eyes on the cop. Heh.

562 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:02:12am

re: #559 NJDhockeyfan

No, just a regular guy made of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus.

You left a few out. :P
Oxygen (65%)
Carbon (18%)
Hydrogen (10%)
Nitrogen (3%)
Calcium (1.5%)
Phosphorus (1.0%)
Potassium (0.35%)
Sulfur (0.25%)
Sodium (0.15%)
Magnesium (0.05%)
Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)

563 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:02:39am

Comedy break: Perry reveals tax plan

Some candidates would be content unveiling a ridiculous flat-tax proposal, but the Texas governor is pushing a ridiculous flat-tax proposal and a ridiculous plan for partial privatization of Social Security and a ridiculous effort to eliminate the Estate Tax and eliminating the capital-gains tax to 0%.

But wait, there’s more. Perry also intends to repeal the entirety of the Affordable Care Act and remove safeguards from the financial industry and amend the U.S. Constitution to require balanced budgets and impose draconian caps on all federal spending.

How would Perry pay for all of these massive tax cuts? He doesn’t say. But don’t worry, the governor believes he can do all of this while also balancing the budget.

It's like a big crazy salad of every bad economic idea ever!

564 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:02:47am

re: #561 Cannadian Club Akbar

Look at the shifty eyes on the cop. Heh.

"White people" is his thought bubble.

565 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:03:07am

re: #562 Varek Raith

You left a few out. :P
Oxygen (65%)
Carbon (18%)
Hydrogen (10%)
Nitrogen (3%)
Calcium (1.5%)
Phosphorus (1.0%)
Potassium (0.35%)
Sulfur (0.25%)
Sodium (0.15%)
Magnesium (0.05%)
Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)

Beer (.14%)
/

566 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:03:49am

re: #562 Varek Raith

That, in dollar amounts please.

567 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:03:51am

re: #562 Varek Raith

You left a few out. :P
Oxygen (65%)
Carbon (18%)
Hydrogen (10%)
Nitrogen (3%)
Calcium (1.5%)
Phosphorus (1.0%)
Potassium (0.35%)
Sulfur (0.25%)
Sodium (0.15%)
Magnesium (0.05%)
Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)

Don't forget beer!

568 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:04:05am

re: #564 Sergey Romanov

"White people" is his thought bubble.

Ah. Make sense since I'm stoopid.

569 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:04:45am

re: #562 Varek Raith

You left a few out. :P
Oxygen (65%)
Carbon (18%)
Hydrogen (10%)
Nitrogen (3%)
Calcium (1.5%)
Phosphorus (1.0%)
Potassium (0.35%)
Sulfur (0.25%)
Sodium (0.15%)
Magnesium (0.05%)
Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)

Cannibalism is so much safer with FDA labeling.

570 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:04:47am

re: #566 Sergey Romanov

That, in dollar amounts please.

About 5 bucks.
Seriously.

571 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:05:31am

re: #563 makeitstop

Comedy break: Perry reveals tax plan

It's like a big crazy salad of every bad economic idea ever!

It doesn't matter how much epic fail the plan is. He's Governor Perry, he's sent by God to rescue America, and so whatever he decides to do will WORK, dammit.

572 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:05:32am

re: #570 Varek Raith

About 5 bucks.
Seriously.

Can I get a "pay day" type loan?

573 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:06:16am

re: #570 Varek Raith

OK, that's 200K people to a first million.

574 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:06:34am

re: #563 makeitstop

That's not comedy, this is comedy.

575 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:07:24am

re: #573 Sergey Romanov

OK, that's 200K people to a first million.

Or a crate of Soylent Green.

576 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:07:54am

Ewwww....

Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

SIRTE, Libya — An analysis of video obtained by GlobalPost from a rebel fighter who recorded the moment when Col. Muammar Gaddafi was first captured confirms that another rebel fighter, whose identity is unknown, sodomized the former leader as he was being dragged from the drainpipe where he had taken cover.

A frame by frame analysis of this exclusive GlobalPost video clearly shows the rebel trying to insert some kind of stick or knife into Gaddafi's rear end.

577 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:08:21am

re: #574 laZardo

That's not comedy, this is comedy.

404'd it.

578 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:09:00am

re: #577 Decatur Deb

Delete the first few.

579 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:09:27am

re: #576 NJDhockeyfan

Ewww...

Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

Aged Despot Porn is a very narrow market.

580 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:09:44am

re: #556 laZardo

I'm 24. Does that make me a fascist?

i didn't just say that did i

;-;

wait a minute....before I give you a hard time (only because I love you) are you really a 24 year old virgin?

581 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:11:00am

re: #580 RogueOne

before I give you a hard time (only because I love you)

That was intentional right?/

582 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:12:42am

This guy has a better plan.

583 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:13:02am

re: #581 Sergey Romanov

That was intentional right?/

well, I did say I loved him but only in a manly way. For all we know he's a 24 yr old blonde girl, that's what I'm going with.

584 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:14:12am

re: #583 RogueOne

But beware of the traps that lie ahead.

585 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:14:22am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

This guy has a better plan.

[Video]

How the hell is that going to fit on a bumper sticker?!?!

586 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:14:40am

re: #583 RogueOne

well, I did say I loved him but only in a manly way. For all we know he's a 24 yr old blonde girl, that's what I'm going with.

Or he's 75 years old with a dirty keyboard.

587 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:14:42am

re: #580 RogueOne

wait a minute...before I give you a hard time (only because I love you) are you really a 24 year old virgin?

This would be where I plead the fifth.

588 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:15:37am

re: #585 Varek Raith

for(i=1;i<=100000;i++) { printf("NEIN! "); }

589 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:15:47am

re: #587 laZardo

This would be where I plead the fifth.

Don't feel too bad, bro. I was a month shy of 24 before I lost mine, and that to my wife. Also, I know personally a man who is 40 years old and has never gotten any in his entire life.

590 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:15:51am

re: #587 laZardo

This would be where I plead the fifth.

I'll send some ether and duct tape.
/

591 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:16:47am

re: #589 thedopefishlives

Don't feel too bad, bro. I was a month shy of 24 before I lost mine, and that to my wife. Also, I know personally a man who is 40 years old and has never gotten any in his entire life.

I was a nineteen-year-old virgin who lost his virginity to a 28-year-old virgin...

592 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:16:59am

re: #585 Varek Raith

How the hell is that going to fit on a bumper sticker?!?!

Fan of Judge Roy Moore:

Image: DSC00855-707858.JPG

593 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:17:56am

re: #562 Varek Raith

You left a few out. :P
Oxygen (65%)
Carbon (18%)
Hydrogen (10%)
Nitrogen (3%)
Calcium (1.5%)
Phosphorus (1.0%)
Potassium (0.35%)
Sulfur (0.25%)
Sodium (0.15%)
Magnesium (0.05%)
Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)

I can't believe you forgot midichlorians...

594 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:18:12am

re: #587 laZardo

This would be where I plead the fifth.

Eh..Almost happened to me.

595 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:18:18am

re: #592 Decatur Deb

Fan of Judge Roy Moore:

Image: DSC00855-707858.JPG

LOL...is that his tour bus?

596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:18:32am

re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not surprised a gas pump handle is "germy". I am surprised that it never occurred to me before.

597 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:18:35am

re: #588 Sergey Romanov

for(i=1;i

I'll see that and raise you 24 hours of this.

598 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:19:20am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

This guy has a better plan.

[Video]

It has a good beat, you can dance to it, I give it a 9
Image: mzi.mvkiayhn.170x170-75.jpg

599 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:19:36am

re: #592 Decatur Deb

Fan of Judge Roy Moore:

Image: DSC00855-707858.JPG

Anyone who can whip the devil with his paintbrush has my vote.

600 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:19:38am

re: #597 Varek Raith

I'll see that and raise you 24 hours of this.

[Video]

Must be a good comression rate.

601 laZardo  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:20:08am

re: #589 thedopefishlives

Don't feel too bad, bro. I was a month shy of 24 before I lost mine, and that to my wife. Also, I know personally a man who is 40 years old and has never gotten any in his entire life.

MOVIES DON'T COUNT.

/

602 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:20:08am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

LOL...is that his tour bus?

Just a fan. Full story:

[Link: www.deepfriedkudzu.com...]

603 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:21:18am

re: #597 Varek Raith

I'll see that and raise you 24 hours of this.

[Video]

It's only 23:59:01 hours. Who stole 59 seconds?

604 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:21:26am

re: #598 RogueOne

It has a good beat, you can dance to it, I give it a 9
Image: mzi.mvkiayhn.170x170-75.jpg

It's a trip! It's got a funky beat! And I can bug out to it!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

605 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:21:37am

re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not surprised a gas pump handle is "germy". I am surprised that it never occurred to me before.

I have also heard scary things about TV remotes in hotel rooms: basically, use rubber gloves if you wanna touch them...

606 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:21:41am

re: #603 NJDhockeyfan

They say YT counter is buggy.

607 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:22:00am

You guys are making it awfully difficult on me. I don't know that I've ever bitten my tongue this hard.

Too bad none of you went to catholic school.....

608 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:22:33am

re: #607 RogueOne

What about a Catholic school?

609 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:22:44am

re: #582 Sergey Romanov

Hello Sergey,
Are you at all familiar with a martial art called systema?

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:23:01am
611 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:23:16am

re: #607 RogueOne

You guys are making it awfully difficult on me. I don't know that I've ever bitten my tongue this hard.

Too bad none of you went to catholic school...

Went to an awful lot of Catholic schools. Two of them asked me nicely not to come back.

612 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:23:18am

re: #609 Rightwingconspirator

No, first time I hear about it.

613 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:24:21am

re: #608 Sergey Romanov

What about a Catholic school?

Only the good die young.

614 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:24:33am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Who does Cain think he is with that "ad"? Mike Gravel?

As for Perry's proposals, he's going to end up making it far more complex than anyone imagines (Perry included), at least when providing for the option to use a flat tax. In some ways, it looks like Perry's using Utah's example on the tax shift from a bracket system to a flat tax. For several years, Utahans could use either the bracket system or the flat tax that had limited deductions and credits. Then, everyone was shifted over to the flat tax with similar limited deductions and credits, but the rate was lower overall and there was a carve out for low-income earners.

If you consider that those who should nominally be in the top tax bracket can often pay far less (marginal rate) - a flat tax that hits all forms of income (cap gains, wages, interest, etc.) would have the potential to bring in far more revenue than the current bracket system that is overlaid with the AMT. You could even have a lower top rate under those circumstances, but it wouldn't be 20%. It would likely be around 30% (currently the top rate is 35%, scheduled to go to 39.6% in 2013).

The estate tax is also scheduled to make a return in 2013 as well, and if it were adjusted to hit estates over say $5 million, you'd probably find the popular support and likely begruding support in Congress.

Democrats could potentially sit back and do nothing but hold court - since the rates all rise in 2013 if nothing happens, generating revenues at the pre-2001 rates. Yet, there's likely to be movement because of the Deficit Commission panel. The deficit commission may well look that way as well along with ideas like eliminating $1 paper bills in lieu of coins to save billions over the life of the coin.

Frankly, the deficit commission may end up doing more to rewrite the tax code than Congress could do in this hyperpartisan era - because if they fail to do what they were set up to do, auto cuts would hit across the board. The time for hearing what they've come up with is closing - their deadline is this November - and it would be a straight up/down vote with no ability for Congress to amend.

615 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:25:05am

re: #610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This. Is. Awesome.

That's some cool hwip.

616 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:25:29am

re: #593 rwdflynavy

Penicillin will cure that quick. Well that or a light saber to the midsection.

617 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:26:54am

re: #609 Rightwingconspirator

Googling it, I see that there is some such thing, but so marginal it's not even in wiki. E.g. [Link: www.rma-augsburg.narod.ru...]

618 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:27:20am

re: #615 Sergey Romanov

That's some cool hwip.

619 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:27:31am

re: #612 Sergey Romanov

No, first time I hear about it.

A very interesting style of fighting.

[Link: www.russianmartialart.com...]

LWC and I are going to a local school here in SoCal and taking a look this week.

620 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:28:23am

re: #613 NJDhockeyfan

Only the good die young.

[Video]

Okay song. Joel is a douche.

621 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:33:03am
622 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:33:07am

Judge zings lawmakers, dismisses lawsuit over Libya mission

Just as President Barack Obama was in the White House Rose Garden Thursday afternoon touting the death of Libyan strongman Muammar Qadhafi, a federal court dismissed a lawsuit ten members of Congress filed in June challenging Obama's right to keep U.S. military forces in the NATO campaign that contributed to the fall of Qadhafi's regime and his ultimate demise.

In a 23-page opinion, U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton ruled that the lawmakers lacked standing to challenge the military campaign in large part because they had and have the opportunity through legislative action to shut down the Libya operation. "They have not demonstrated that they are without a legislative remedy," Walton wrote.

But Walton didn't leave it there. He noted that Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), the lead plaintiff in the suit, filed and lost a similar case in 2002 over President George W. Bush's withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. Walton went on to zing Kucinich and the other lawmakers for, in essence, wasting the court's time.

623 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:34:10am

re: #617 Sergey Romanov

If that style is truly organic to old Russia, it's historically interesting, as so many martial arts were rooted in China or Greece.

624 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:37:15am

re: #621 Varek Raith

That is so effing awesome. Heh.

625 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:40:40am

Quotes are out and so am I. Enjoy the day people!

626 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:41:35am

re: #619 Rightwingconspirator

Umm...

[Link: www.russianmartialart.com...]

The video also contains rare footage showing incredible work by the best masters of Russian Combat in the world. There is one sequence in which two men dressed in business suits throw off multiple attackers without physically touching them. Vladimir says they are using psychic energy - it has to be seen to be believed!

Yeah, sure.

627 steve_davis  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:45:14am

Are you kidding me?? The guy actually takes a pull off a cigarette at the end? Why not just go full-bore and have him take a drag off a roach on the end of a roach-clip, or huff a can of paint? "This is....oh man, look at the pretty stars!!"

628 steve_davis  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:46:40am

re: #7 makeitstop

That guy shook his head in all the wrong places. Very weird.

I was watching his eye blinks. He was blinking out "TORTURE" in Morse Code.

629 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:48:21am

re: #627 steve_davis

Are you kidding me?? The guy actually takes a pull off a cigarette at the end? Why not just go full-bore and have him take a drag off a roach on the end of a roach-clip, or huff a can of paint? "This is...oh man, look at the pretty stars!!"

I watched it without the sound and it is even wierder...imagine trying to guess what sort of ad it is until the final shot of HC

630 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:49:32am

re: #626 Sergey Romanov

Supernatural? Now somebody is just getting carried away. Aikido masters have a similar appearance in that it looks like no contact (to a gushing reporter or marketing wonk) but is in fact all physical but at leverage points. Not at all flashy. Pentjak silat works in a similar way, and nobody claims psychic energy in that one.

Look at the video at about 2:23 on


631 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:50:42am

re: #623 Rightwingconspirator

If that style is truly organic to old Russia, it's historically interesting, as so many martial arts were rooted in China or Greece.

First of all, I doubt that any style called "sistema" can be called an ancient Russian martial art. Because it's a modern word. So at best it could be said to be some mix of old Russian techniques. The problem is that there are no documents detailing any ancient techniques. All the modern "restored" systems are basically newly constructed systems without evidential ties to authentic ancient fighting systems (if one can even say that there were any such developed systems, analogous to Chinese ones, for example), with perhaps some traditional elements taken from Cossacks etc. thrown in (which, again, doesn't guarantee any sort of authenticity). It doesn't mean that "it doesn't work", it's just not ancient martial arts.

632 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:52:42am

Someone has taken the last few seconds of that campaign ad and put it into a loop:

633 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:54:21am

re: #632 iceweasel

Comment: "Oh they fucked alright, I know that look."

634 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:54:28am

re: #614 lawhawk

(snip)
Frankly, the deficit commission may end up doing more to rewrite the tax code than Congress could do in this hyperpartisan era - because if they fail to do what they were set up to do, auto cuts would hit across the board. The time for hearing what they've come up with is closing - their deadline is this November - and it would be a straight up/down vote with no ability for Congress to amend.

Haven't a few Congress critters essentially already come out and said they'd ignore the recommendations and not be beholden to them?

Not the mention I'm sure they have some fun dodges ready to get around anything they are "forced" to enact or implement.

635 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:54:50am

re: #632 iceweasel

I didn't watch the ad because I don't actually care. But I must say, THAT is a drag off of a cigarette? What is he, 14?

636 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:55:46am

re: #635 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't watch the ad because I don't actually care. But I must say, THAT is a drag off of a cigarette? What is he, 14?

it's pretty creepy! That smile at the end...yikes.

637 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:56:17am

re: #631 Sergey Romanov
It would be a shame if that's all BS.
It's tough to trace back fighting arts. How many people literally believe this story? Of course since everyone's joints all move about the same way we get coincidental styles that share no common root but look similar or work in a similar way. In any case I'll be curious to step up with some guys at Systema and separate real from baloney. I'll post again after we see it. Especially if I can get an introductory lesson.

638 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:56:48am

re: #632 iceweasel

This one is mine:

Image: 10886076.jpg

639 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:57:51am

re: #638 Sergey Romanov

This one is mine:

Image: 10886076.jpg

yow! Even creepier than the original-- and it isn't even halloween yet!

640 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 6:58:23am

re: #637 Rightwingconspirator

If you ask people who are into it, they will probably say something like "It's been restored from some old traditions saved by men in some far-away villages" or some such stuff like that. Problem? Not verifiable.

641 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:00:03am

re: #631 Sergey Romanov

First of all, I doubt that any style called "sistema" can be called an ancient Russian martial art. Because it's a modern word. So at best it could be said to be some mix of old Russian techniques. The problem is that there are no documents detailing any ancient techniques. All the modern "restored" systems are basically newly constructed systems without evidential ties to authentic ancient fighting systems (if one can even say that there were any such developed systems, analogous to Chinese ones, for example), with perhaps some traditional elements taken from Cossacks etc. thrown in (which, again, doesn't guarantee any sort of authenticity). It doesn't mean that "it doesn't work", it's just not ancient martial arts.

This Israeli guy has claimed to discover "The Ancient Israelite Martial Arts." It's all BS, he just adapted it from some Korean system that he already knew. It is pretty cool, though.

642 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:00:18am

Hey check this out.

America's Poorest Cities

They're basically all in Confederate states.

643 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:00:51am

re: #641 Alouette

Yeah, it's pretty much what happens.

644 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:01:02am

re: #638 Sergey Romanov

This one is mine:

Image: 10886076.jpg

Me so horny.

//

645 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:01:32am

re: #640 Sergey Romanov

I'm sure you are right. Hopefully, it's just the usual hyperbole associated with martial arts. *sigh* The BS is so unnecessary. It's not as if good martial arts need any exaggeration.

646 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:01:58am

The only real martial artist.

647 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:02:15am

re: #642 Gus 802

Hey check this out.

America's Poorest Cities

They're basically all in Confederate states.

Wait, Detroit didn't make the list? The only border town where the U.S. side is crappier than the non-U.S. side?

648 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:02:46am

The police in Oakland cleared the streets this morning...

Early morning police raid ousts Occupy Oakland

OAKLAND -- Before dawn Tuesday, at least 200 police, many in riot gear, tore down the Occupy Oakland encampment in front of City Hall and arrested dozens of people. Early reports from police say the raid went smoothly, with all protesters cleared out of the plaza in less than 30 minutes.

Police said the protest was relatively peaceful with many of the campers leaving on their own. Many were also handcuffed and led away by police from the camp at 14th Street and Broadway.

About three hours later, police descended on a second Occupy camp at Snow Park near Lake Merritt, with the intent of removing that as well.

At the downtown camp, police, armed with billy clubs and some with shotguns, overturned tents, and the campers' wooden stalls quickly, leaving what looked like a hurricane-struck refugee camp in their wake. They ripped up dozens of cardboard signs, overturned a couch and when it was over there were scraps of carpet, personal belongings and trash all over the plaza.

One police officer said several objects were thrown at police, including bottles, skillets, other kitchen utensils and rocks. They also "threw plates at us like Frisbees," the officer said.

No police officers were reported injured. Protesters also chanted "Police go home, cops go home" and banged sticks on anything they could find. Some chanted "Police were the biggest gang in America."

No injuries were immediately reported. Police did not have an exact
count of how many people were arrested.

649 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:03:31am

re: #647 Alouette

Wait, Detroit didn't make the list? The only border town where the U.S. side is crappier than the non-U.S. side?

You can leave your front door unlocked in Detroit.

Just right after you move out.

//

650 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:03:58am

re: #648 NJDhockeyfan

The police in Oakland cleared the streets this morning...

Early morning police raid ousts Occupy Oakland

Hippies are taking over the world!

651 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:04:00am

re: #644 Gus 802

Me so horny.

//

*moves away from Gus a little*

652 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:04:43am

re: #643 Sergey Romanov

I don't even understand the point of the pedigree stuff, either. If you want to invent a new martial art, do it. New martial arts are awesome. Aikido is new, and it's one of the pre-eminent martial art forms. Krav Maga is new and it's probably the pre-eminent noncompetitive martial art form.

And besides, we've learned a lot about the human body since the old ones were developed. Even traditional styles like jujitsu have taken that knowledge in.

653 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:05:47am

The Broncos are still talking up how they beat the worst team in the NFL last Sunday.

Lame.

654 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:05:57am

re: #652 Obdicut

I don't even understand the point of the pedigree stuff, either. If you want to invent a new martial art, do it. New martial arts are awesome. Akido is new, and it's one of the pre-eminent martial art forms. Krav Maga is new and it's probably the pre-eminent noncompetitive martial art form.

And besides, we've learned a lot about the human body since the old ones were developed. Even traditional styles like jujitsu have taken that knowledge in.

It's a prestige thing. Saying that you're a black belt in a 4000-year-old lost ancient art from China automatically gives you a bigger penis than the guy that's a black belt in some wimpy new martial art that was invented in the 1970's. Don't ask me how, but it does, srsly.

655 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:06:21am

re: #653 Gus 802

The Broncos are still talking up how they beat the worst team in the NFL last Sunday.

Lame.

They beat the Colts?
/it's a tie

656 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:07:19am

re: #650 Gus 802

Hippies are taking over the world!

New York cops defy order to arrest hundreds of ‘Occupy Albany’ protesters

Occupy Albany protesters in New York’s capital city received an unexpected ally over the week: The state and local authorities.

According to the Albany Times Union, New York state troopers and Albany police did not adhere to a curfew crackdown on protesters urged by Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) and Albany mayor Gerald Jennings.

Mass arrests seemed to be in the cards once Jennings directed officers to enforce the curfew on roughly 700 protesters occupying the city owned park. But as state police joined the local cops, protesters moved past the property line dividing city and state land.

With protesters acting peacefully, local and state police agreed that low level arrests could cause a riot, so they decided instead to defy Cuomo and Jennings.

“We don’t have those resources, and these people were not causing trouble,” a state official said. “The bottom line is the police know policing, not the governor and not the mayor.”

Damn hippie cops! Wait, what? /

657 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:08:38am

re: #656 iceweasel

New York cops defy order to arrest hundreds of ‘Occupy Albany’ protesters

Damn hippie cops! Wait, what? /

Saw that on Twitter yesterday.

That's down right treasonous! Don't they realize that those "Koz kids" iz goin' ta take over teh universe!!

658 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:10:21am

Thai-KWAn-Dough

659 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:10:44am

re: #657 Gus 802

Saw that on Twitter yesterday.

That's down right treasonous! Don't they realize that those "Koz kids" iz goin' ta take over teh universe!!

I spent some time in the wingnutsphere yesterday, reading wingnuts' reactions to OWS. The frothing rage was quite entertaining!

Must suck to have spent so much time fluffing the Tea Party, and then seeing what a real grassroots movement looks like. Ha!

660 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:10:53am

ROUNDHOUSE KICK TO THE HEAD

661 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:10:55am

re: #652 Obdicut

There's a kooky-nationalist aspect to this. People just can't get over that their culture didn't produce, this, or that, or something else. So we get musings about Slavic history counting up to tens of thousands of years (with "ancient manuscripts" as evidence, even), etc., etc.

662 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:11:33am

I just realized how much that guy in the Cain ad looks like Mahmoud Abbas.

663 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:11:35am

It's morning, again.

There simply isn't enough fresh coffee.

How is everyone.

664 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:12:26am

POWER FIST OF FURY

665 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:12:35am

re: #662 Alouette

I just realized how much that guy in the Cain ad looks like Mahmoud Abbas.

For me he is Yuri Mukhin's twin, but nobody knows that guy here :(

666 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:13:05am

re: #659 iceweasel

I spent some time in the wingnutsphere yesterday, reading wingnuts' reactions to OWS. The frothing rage was quite entertaining!

Must suck to have spent so much time fluffing the Tea Party, and then seeing what a real grassroots movement looks like. Ha!

Morning, {ice}. The vast unhinged wouldn't know a real grassroots movement if it came up and bit them in the ass. Which, there's one doing that right now, and they're oblivious to it, and so my point is made.

667 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:13:27am

re: #660 iossarian

ROUNDHOUSE KICK TO THE HEAD

re: #664 iossarian

POWER FIST OF FURY

FALCON PUNCH!

668 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:13:52am

re: #664 iossarian

POWER FIST OF FURY

FLYING GENITALS OF DEATH

669 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:14:01am

re: #647 Alouette

Wait, Detroit didn't make the list? The only border town where the U.S. side is crappier than the non-U.S. side?

You know, you are right. I never thought of it that way.

teehee

670 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:14:18am

re: #668 iceweasel

FLYING GENITALS OF DEATH

DOUBLE ELBOW CHOP AIEEEEEEE

671 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:14:54am

re: #669 ggt

You know, you are right. I never thought of it that way.

teehee

How does Canada deal with all the illegals?

672 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:14:59am

re: #663 ggt

It's morning, again.

There simply isn't enough fresh coffee.

How is everyone.

Listening to our cat overlord serenading others. How are you?

673 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:15:34am

re: #659 iceweasel

I spent some time in the wingnutsphere yesterday, reading wingnuts' reactions to OWS. The frothing rage was quite entertaining!

Must suck to have spent so much time fluffing the Tea Party, and then seeing what a real grassroots movement looks like. Ha!

That's the difference between a bunch of old farts charging the healthcare debate halls and a bunch of young people invading a public space. The cops will typically react more defensively with young folks because they're perceived as more of a threat. Had the Tea Party been younger we would have seen arrests.

It is a grass roots movement and it's all over the place. That fine with me since I'm only on the extreme periphery here. That's fine with me but I'll add that people who don't like it are just enemies of freedom and not real Americans. Basically a bunch of closet case authoritarians or chickencops.

L. O. L. Or something.

I'm still waking up here so I might be making some shit up. ;)

674 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:16:18am

re: #661 Sergey Romanov

You got invaded by the mongols, who had a martial art. Their wrestling was an actual martial art as well as a sport.

I don't expect the nationalists really deal that well about having been conquered by the mongols anyway. Or are they proud of it?

675 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:16:26am

re: #656 iceweasel

The Times Union has a whole lot more on the back room dealings with Cuomo, Jennings, and others in trying to get the OWS protesters to leave. Jennings and the SP are right that they don't have the police numbers to make those kinds of arrests and keep the peace. It simply isn't feasible to do anything at the moment. They'll simply wait them out and deal with those who break the law. After all, the temps are already in the 30s at night, and it's going to get a whole lot colder in the weeks to come.

Same story here in NYC. The NYPD will wait them out at Zuccotti Park, and as the cold weather closes in, they're expecting the crowds to thin to the point that they could clear the park.

Of course, once the winter ends, I'd expect the protests to resume (but that's still a ways off).

676 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:16:41am
677 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:16:46am

re: #668 iceweasel

FLYING GENITALS OF DEATH

I iz gunna go to Kos and rile 'em up! They won't even have a clue. Good times!!11ty

//

678 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:17:01am

re: #673 Gus 802

Hey Gus, are you much of a reader?

679 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:17:05am

re: #672 iceweasel

Listening to our cat overlord serenading others. How are you?

awake, sort of. Thanks for asking!

How are you?

680 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:17:11am

re: #659 iceweasel

Must suck to have spent so much time fluffing the Tea Party, and then seeing what a real grassroots movement looks like. Ha!

Someone ought to put this on a poster.

681 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:17:13am

re: #674 Obdicut

You got invaded by the mongols, who had a martial art. Their wrestling was an actual martial art as well as a sport.

I don't expect the nationalists really deal that well about having been conquered by the mongols anyway. Or are they proud of it?

Well, considering that essentially all of Central Asia, the Middle East, and Baltic Europe got conquered by the Mongols, you pretty much have to find something to be proud of in there somewhere.

682 The Left  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:17:29am

re: #673 Gus 802

That's the difference between a bunch of old farts charging the healthcare debate halls and a bunch of young people invading a public space. The cops will typically react more defensively with young folks because they're perceived as more of a threat. Had the Tea Party been younger we would have seen arrests.

It is a grass roots movement and it's all over the place. That fine with me since I'm only on the extreme periphery here. That's fine with me but I'll add that people who don't like it are just enemies of freedom and not real Americans. Basically a bunch of closet case authoritarians or chickencops.

L. O. L. Or something.

I'm still waking up here so I might be making some shit up. ;)

It's pretty crazy that young people banging on drums are considered more threatening than old people toting weapons to town hall meetings.

683 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:18:01am

re: #678 Obdicut

Hey Gus, are you much of a reader?

Not recently. What's up?

684 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:18:37am

re: #681 thedopefishlives

Speaking of which, I highly recommend the book Ghenghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. Really fascinating.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

685 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:18:40am

re: #682 iceweasel

It's pretty crazy that young people banging on drums are considered more threatening than old people toting weapons to town hall meetings.

And that's just the short list.

686 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:18:46am

re: #670 iossarian

I see and raise Drunken boxing.

687 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:18:48am

re: #683 Gus 802

I wrote a novel, wondered if you'd like to read it.

688 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:19:24am

re: #674 Obdicut

You got invaded by the mongols, who had a martial art. Their wrestling was an actual martial art as well as a sport.

I don't expect the nationalists really deal that well about having been conquered by the mongols anyway. Or are they proud of it?

It's not an issue in the nationalist discourse. Some "Eurasians" may even see it as a positive development.

689 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:19:44am

I woke-up this am with Old Man Dog sleeping on my pillow next to me. Very strange, he usually doesn't like to be on the bed.

Very cute tho.

690 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:19:46am

re: #687 Obdicut

I wrote a novel, wondered if you'd like to read it.

Go ahead and email it to me. How many pages?

691 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:19:53am

re: #687 Obdicut

I wrote a novel, wondered if you'd like to read it.

Congrats on your accomplishment!

692 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:20:42am

re: #690 Gus 802

It's about 80,000 words.

Still polishing away.

693 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:23:57am

re: #684 Obdicut

Speaking of which, I highly recommend the book Ghenghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. Really fascinating.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Some years ago, I read about the whole thing in a National Geographic series on the Mongols. They were pretty fair in their treatment of the subject. It really gives a sense of perspective, when you look at "imperialist Amerika", how un-ambitious we really are compared to the great empires of Eurasia (and Eurafrica, but that's a horse of a different color).

694 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:24:29am

re: #692 Obdicut

It's about 80,000 words.

Still polishing away.

PDF? Eventually?

695 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:26:43am

re: #694 Gus 802

PDF like the file type?

696 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:26:55am

re: #693 thedopefishlives

Some years ago, I read about the whole thing in a National Geographic series on the Mongols. They were pretty fair in their treatment of the subject. It really gives a sense of perspective, when you look at "imperialist Amerika", how un-ambitious we really are compared to the great empires of Eurasia (and Eurafrica, but that's a horse of a different color).

We don't want other people's land or resources, we just want their hearts and minds. In fact, we are willing to trade resources.

They are calling it economic imperialism, I think.

697 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:28:28am

8' X 8' storefront broken by protesters in Anytown, USA. 100s arrested. Right wingers are in shock!

Trillions of dollars down the tubes due to mortgage finance abuse. Nobody arrested. Right wingers say mortgage finance companies should go bankrupt one day! Then the next day they're defending those same mortgage companies in between loading coal during their day job.

Film @ 11.

698 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:29:01am

re: #695 Obdicut

PDF like the file type?

Yep.

699 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:29:02am

[Link: twitter.com...]

@JohnJHarwood
John Harwood
In @cnbc intvw, Perry tells me why he kept Obama birther issue alive: "It's a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."

Derp.

And bbl.

700 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:29:36am

re: #698 Gus 802

I guess you could save it as a PDF or make it into one if you wanted to.

I'm going to be attempting to actually get it for-reals published, though.

701 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:30:51am

re: #700 Obdicut

I guess you could save it as a PDF or make it into one if you wanted to.

I'm going to be attempting to actually get it for-reals published, though.

Yep. I know. Maybe you can send it in parts.

702 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:32:01am

WTF?

Blogger claims TSA agent found vibrator in her luggage, and left a note

A feminist blogger traveling to Dublin, Ireland recently made an unsettling discovery in her luggage: a U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agent had searched the bag and found her vibrator, and apparently felt inspired enough to leave a handwritten note.

“GET YOUR FREAK ON GIRL,” the alleged agent wrote.

703 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:34:17am

re: #697 Gus 802

8' X 8' storefront broken by protesters in Anytown, USA. 100s arrested. Right wingers are in shock!

Trillions of dollars down the tubes due to mortgage finance abuse. Nobody arrested. Right wingers say mortgage finance companies should go bankrupt one day! Then the next day they're defending those same mortgage companies in between loading coal during their day job.

Film @ 11.

You may have read that I'm researching Dodd-Frank. It seems one of the major parts of this legislation is to remove the need for taxpayer buy-outs in the future by many means. One is to require banks to have a plan for dismantling.

I'm still hearing from the rwnj's in my life that Dodd-Frank is bad. I have so much research still go do.

704 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:34:20am

re: #699 Sergey Romanov

[Link: twitter.com...]

Derp.

And bbl.

Patriots.

705 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:35:17am
706 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:42:58am

Story on HuffPo about a moonbat twitter post...

Orlando Jones: Liberals Should Kill Sarah Palin

Orlando Jones may be best known for his days as a comedic TV pitchman. This latest suggestion, though, is no laughing matter.

The former soda slinger who spent years telling people to "Make 7 Up Yours" fired off a series of tweets on October 22nd following the death of deposed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. After discussing Kanye West's trip to Occupy Wall Street, Jones wrote, "Libyan Rebels kill Gaddafi, if American liberals want respect they better stop listening to Aretha & kill Sarah Palin(:"

Smiley face or not, Jones received a number of angry tweets in response to his comment, and responded to a number of them a day after his initial remark.

In response to user @Obamamamadingdo, who describes herself as a conservative woman who stands with Israel, Jones wrote, "Advocating? No. Demanding? Delusional. Poking fun @ liberals and getting a response obama mandingo... priceless(:"

When @tn4p, whose full user name is Tennessee 4 Palin, called the statement violent, he wrote, "I regret to inform you that jokes do not qualify as violent rhetoric. your angry reaction and response however, does(: keep smiling." When the user then compared his statements with those that could have inspired the shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, he followed it up by saying, "Actually, I don't think it's just a joke is an apropo response. If my tweets are so upsetting to you please do not read them(:"

First comment:

HUFFPOST SUPER USER
ross nichols
220 Fans
3 minutes ago (10:31 AM)
Hypocrisy land.Its ok for Palin to use crosshairs­. Resulting in a shooting of a member of congress-a good member ,who helps people.Not Palin who is devisive,h­ateful,ign­orant.Pali­n is so irrelevant now-who cares if she got shot.?????­??????????­?

Ugh

707 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:46:36am

re: #701 Gus 802

Oh I shared it with you on google docs. You can see the whole thing there.

708 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:47:21am

re: #707 Obdicut

Oh I shared it with you on google docs. You can see the whole thing there.

OK. Thanks. I'll look later. That's not a public data base is it? I mean. It's private right?

709 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:47:58am

re: #706 NJDhockeyfan

So, according to the Huffpo "super user" Palin said crosshairs and then Congress woman Giffords was shot. Reality ain't his friend.

710 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:49:00am

Did you see the Q/A with Rick Perry in the NY Times??

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Q. Why did you choose to keep the birther issue alive?

A. It’s a good issue to keep alive. You know, Donald [Trump] has got to have some fun. It’s fun to poke him a little bit and say “Hey, let’s see your grades and your birth certificate.” I don’t have a clue about where the president — and what this birth certificate says. But it’s also a great distraction. I’m not distracted by it.

It's one big joke to him. I think it's un-American (and I don't use that word often) to spread malicious rumors about a sitting President--whether you like him or not.

712 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:52:24am

re: #711 Varek Raith

Televangelist Pat Robertson Calls GOP Field Too ‘Extreme’ To Win General Election

Lol

He's right, but I'm surprised to hear the confession from his lips, of all people.

713 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:53:07am

Off to work...bbl

714 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:53:55am

What's wrong with the finance industry (take XMLIV):

Ordinarily, in a more robust environment, an influx of deposits would be used to finance new businesses, expansion plans and home purchases. But in today’s fragile economy, the bulk of the new money is doing little to spur growth. Of the $41.8 billion of deposits that Wells Fargo collected in the third quarter, for example, only about $8.2 billion was earmarked to finance new loans.

Normally, banks earn healthy profits by taking in deposits and then investing them or lending them out at substantially higher interest rates than what they pay savers. But that traditional banking model has broken down.

Today, banks are paying savers almost nothing for their deposits. As it turns out, the banks are not minting money on those piles of cash. Lending levels have not bounced back from only a few years ago and the loans going out are not keeping pace with the deposits rushing in.

What’s more, the profitability of each new loan has shrunk. Because the Federal Reserve effectively sets the floor off which banks price their lending rates, its decision to lower interest rates to near zero means the banks earn less money on the deposits they lend out.

The banks are also earning less on the deposits left over to invest. They typically park that money overnight at the Fed for a pittance, or invest it in ultra-safe securities, like bonds backed by the government. But with interest rates so low, the yields on those investments have been crushed.

In other words, what bankers call the spread is being squeezed — they are making less money on each dollar they hold. “It’s very hard for us to take deposits and make any meaningful spread,” said William D. Parent, Hyde Park’s chief executive.

Yet, they're sitting on piles of cash and aren't lending (because the demand isn't there, or aren't particularly qualified, or a combination of other economic factors).

With the banks sitting on so much cash, they should be opening the doors to new investments via loans, but that hasn't happened. That's a big problem. The banks are still worried about risk on loans so what do they do instead? They're pushing more fees on people putting money in the banks - hoping that will spur what exactly? Oh wait - it ups the bottom line, when they need to be spurring investment and getting the ball rolling again.

715 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:54:13am

Rachel Maddow:

Herman Cain has no campaign structure EXCEPT the Koch brother's "Americans for Prosperity" organization:

716 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:54:29am

And one more gem from Rick Perry:

Here’s what I would tell those young people — the old Churchill saying, you’re a liberal in your heart when you’re 20, and you’re a conservative when you’re 40. I hope what they will see is that America’s a fabulous country and it gives them the opportunity to go say your piece, go protest on the street. But at the end of the day America’s about having the opportunity to take care of your family.

717 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:54:32am

re: #708 Gus 802

OK. Thanks. I'll look later. That's not a public data base is it? I mean. It's private right?

Nah, it's just a way to share documents without having to email them constantly. You'll see.

718 jaunte  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:54:57am

re: #711 Varek Raith

Televangelist Pat Robertson Calls GOP Field Too ‘Extreme’ To Win General Election

Lol

Not that he disagrees with their views, he just thinks it's bad tactics to talk about what they really believe.

719 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:55:08am

re: #715 bratwurst

He's the political equivalent of vaporware. Or malware.

720 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:55:19am

re: #711 Varek Raith

Televangelist Pat Robertson Calls GOP Field Too ‘Extreme’ To Win General Election

Lol

Hitler: GOP field needs to "tack to the center".

721 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:56:19am

re: #710 reuven

Did you see the Q/A with Rick Perry in the NY Times??

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

It's one big joke to him. I think it's un-American (and I don't use that word often) to spread malicious rumors about a sitting President--whether you like him or not.

TREASON!

:0

722 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:56:49am

re: #714 lawhawk

What's wrong with the finance industry (take XMLIV):

The solution's simple! The government should force banks to loan lots of money to millions of unqualified people who don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of repaying the money!

723 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:56:54am

re: #710 reuven

Did you see the Q/A with Rick Perry in the NY Times??

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

It's one big joke to him. I think it's un-American (and I don't use that word often) to spread malicious rumors about a sitting President--whether you like him or not.

He's just trying to get his Tea Party mojo back. He's desperate.

724 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:58:13am
725 blueraven  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:58:55am

re: #699 Sergey Romanov

[Link: twitter.com...]
@JohnJHarwood
John Harwood
In @cnbc intvw, Perry tells me why he kept Obama birther issue alive: "It's a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."

Derp.

And bbl.

How very presidential of him.

726 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 7:59:44am

re: #714 lawhawk

What's wrong with the finance industry (take XMLIV):

Yet, they're sitting on piles of cash and aren't lending (because the demand isn't there, or aren't particularly qualified, or a combination of other economic factors).

With the banks sitting on so much cash, they should be opening the doors to new investments via loans, but that hasn't happened. That's a big problem. The banks are still worried about risk on loans so what do they do instead? They're pushing more fees on people putting money in the banks - hoping that will spur what exactly? Oh wait - it ups the bottom line, when they need to be spurring investment and getting the ball rolling again.

Yet, his banks remain flush with over $1.55 billion of deposits. He would like to make more loans so that he could earn more money, he said, but there are too few of what he calls “quality borrowers,” whose credit record, income and assets suggest they would reliably pay him back.

Are there really fewer "quality" buyers or are they just upset that they are now expected to loan to borrowers who can actually pay the loan? I'm not feeling very sorry for banks right now.

727 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:00:13am

re: #714 lawhawk

What's wrong with the finance industry (take XMLIV):

Yet, they're sitting on piles of cash and aren't lending (because the demand isn't there, or aren't particularly qualified, or a combination of other economic factors).

With the banks sitting on so much cash, they should be opening the doors to new investments via loans, but that hasn't happened. That's a big problem. The banks are still worried about risk on loans so what do they do instead? They're pushing more fees on people putting money in the banks - hoping that will spur what exactly? Oh wait - it ups the bottom line, when they need to be spurring investment and getting the ball rolling again.

I've been hearing about the bank not releasing credit for almost 2 years now. And this isn't only from my reading but actually talking to people in the construction or development business. They are indeed "sitting on piles of cash." Money to these men is like heroin to a junkie. They simply don't care about the future of America.

They're only looking at their own short term enjoyment of riches. And at the same time these so called lending institutions would be nothing without the Fed which in case anyone has forgotten was meant to be a public institution. Right now that is simply not the case. Thus the Fed is also part of the problem since it is neither transparent nor public.

They are all one and the same. The same people that run congress are the same ones that run the Federal Reserve and the banks. It is a revolving door. Much more so it is a sub-culture where these same people live in the same neighborhoods and have children that go to the same school while being a member of the same yacht or country clubs. This includes both parties of this bipolar political system we have in this nation: Republicans and the Democrats.

728 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:01:44am

I know a mortgage broker who is making tons of money. She adverstises and finds business.

The banks don't seem to be doing that.

729 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:02:36am

re: #724 Varek Raith

A link from your link. Holy Crap!! (30 second commercial, bleh)
[Link: www.history.com...]

730 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:02:42am

re: #722 reuven

The pendulum has swung so far in the opposite direction that the industry faces the opposite problem - they can't generate healthy returns on investment, so they're drumming up fees to cover (which will remain in place, even if the economic conditions improve).

No, a healthy economy requires lending and taking risks, but managing those risks far more effectively than in the past. That means making sure that those who are taking loans have a capacity to repay, that the banks have margins on hand to cover potential losses, and that bundled loan paper is properly identified based on risk, rather than glossing over the risk (and listing such paper as A+++ instead of a proper accounting of junk status) so that when those loans go bad, everyone understands what kind of risk was involved and doesn't expose the markets to all kinds of uncertainty.

It's an information problem. Investors need to have adequate information about the investments, banks have to be transparent on the packaging of that information, credit agencies need to be clear about the paper they rate, and back to investors - they need to understand the risks and balance their portfolios according to their level of risk tolerance. When the real estate paper was improperly rated, it unbalanced all kinds of investor portfolios from the little guy up to the multibillion dollar pension and mutual funds.

731 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:03:09am

re: #654 thedopefishlives

It's a prestige thing. Saying that you're a black belt in a 4000-year-old lost ancient art from China automatically gives you a bigger penis than the guy that's a black belt in some wimpy new martial art that was invented in the 1970's. Don't ask me how, but it does, srsly.

and a marketing thing: "experts rediscover ancient lost X" is always more interesting than "marketing department comes us with X"

732 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:03:56am

re: #725 blueraven

How very presidential of him.

What makes him think Obama will take the bait? He's not the first one who tried to 'poke' him with the nirther crap, and the last one to try it (Trump) got the red-ass in public for it.

And Perry's nowhere near as smart as Trump. (That's a very low bar, I realize, but it's the truth.)

733 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:05:38am

re: #732 makeitstop

It's a sign of Perry's desperation that he's pulling out the stops now that he's fallen behind in the polls. He's going with his own flat tax proposal (after Cain put out the 9/9/9 proposal). He's laying out the birther nonsense again.

He's trying to do whatever it takes to restart a flagging campaign.

And I don't think it'll work.

734 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:06:29am

re: #729 Cannadian Club Akbar

A link from your link. Holy Crap!! (30 second commercial, bleh)
[Link: www.history.com...]

Wow, the guy that can drive that must be a *real* man . .

/

735 blueraven  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:06:54am

re: #732 makeitstop

What makes him think Obama will take the bait? He's not the first one who tried to 'poke' him with the nirther crap, and the last one to try it (Trump) got the red-ass in public for it.

And Perry's nowhere near as smart as Trump. (That's a very low bar, I realize, but it's the truth.)

Apples and Oranges!!

Seriously, Trump may be more sophisticated in the areas of high finance, and PR, but the man is a complete idiot.

736 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:07:02am

re: #729 Cannadian Club Akbar

A link from your link. Holy Crap!! (30 second commercial, bleh)
[Link: www.history.com...]

I laugh at your SUV!

737 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:07:11am

re: #733 lawhawk

It's a sign of Perry's desperation that he's pulling out the stops now that he's fallen behind in the polls. He's going with his own flat tax proposal (after Cain put out the 9/9/9 proposal). He's laying out the birther nonsense again.

He's trying to do whatever it takes to restart a flagging campaign.

And I don't think it'll work.

I agree with you, he's flailing. It'll get him press for a couple of days maybe, but I'd be very surprised if his poll numbers went back up.

738 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:11:45am

re: #730 lawhawk

The problem is that capitalism rewards obfuscation of information and keeping information private-- arbitrage. To a certain degree, this is a good thing-- it rewards those with the ability to figure out information where others can't. But with the lack of good regulation, it means that there's no need to have a real case of arbitrage, you can artificially create one.

739 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:11:46am

re: #734 ggt

Wow, the guy that can drive that must be a *real* man . .

/

You could probably drive it. Of course, you'd have to find earrings that match your work boots.
/

740 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:11:49am

I should qualify that a little further. While I blame both parties there I will say that the Republicans are much worse. The main reason we're in this mess today was because of Ronald Reagan. That is when the decline began.

741 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:14:52am

re: #738 Obdicut

The problem is that capitalism rewards obfuscation of information and keeping information private-- arbitrage. To a certain degree, this is a good thing-- it rewards those with the ability to figure out information where others can't. But with the lack of good regulation, it means that there's no need to have a real case of arbitrage, you can artificially create one.

Very insightful point.

742 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:15:25am

re: #740 Gus 802

Oh, I'd say a lot of what we're experiencing is the outcome of the ill-considered and lazy formation of the rights of corporations from the rights of individuals. It's just so obvious that the two groups have very different powers and vulnerabilities, and that a very, very fundamentally different set of rights is necessary for each.

743 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:17:05am

DNC goes in on Mittens' comments on foreclosures.

Couple that with some succinct ads about Bain Capital, and Mitt's going to have a lot of explaining to do.

744 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:17:41am

re: #739 Cannadian Club Akbar

You could probably drive it. Of course, you'd have to find earrings that match your work boots.
/

oooh, shopping for boots!!!!

745 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:18:26am

re: #742 Obdicut

Oh, I'd say a lot of what we're experiencing is the outcome of the ill-considered and lazy formation of the rights of corporations from the rights of individuals. It's just so obvious that the two groups have very different powers and vulnerabilities, and that a very, very fundamentally different set of rights is necessary for each.

I have a hard time blaming any economic system --as humans are involved.

746 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:21:15am

re: #742 Obdicut

Oh, I'd say a lot of what we're experiencing is the outcome of the ill-considered and lazy formation of the rights of corporations from the rights of individuals. It's just so obvious that the two groups have very different powers and vulnerabilities, and that a very, very fundamentally different set of rights is necessary for each.

It doesn't help that "corporations" are not exactly a homogenous type of thing, either.

There's a vast difference between a rotating board of five people running a local charity shop and BP.

747 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:24:03am

This guy messed with the banks,and the banks won.

He should be a hero to the OWS crowd, except he's, you know, a joo.

748 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:24:08am

re: #738 Obdicut

And arbitrage is just one way information obfuscation is rewarded in capitalism. Health insurance plans are nearly impossible to evaluate for consumers because they don't know what will happen in the future, and they don't know how the company will actually react to the claims, whether they'll fight them or not. The company, on the other hand, doesn't know any individual result, but they know aggregate results, so that doesn't matter to them. Any additional individual information comes in the form of actually getting sick or injured-- and it's precisely at that time that the health insurance company starts trying to kick people off their rolls, because now that person is a known cost to them, a negative balance.

Yet people pretend, all the time, that anyone actually has the sufficient information to compare plans. They pretend that you wouldn't have to be able to predict your own future to actually know what health plan would best benefit you.

There's lots of stuff like that. Lots of broken markets, markets that do not work well under capitalism, but we let them go ahead because we've got a big boner for capitalism and are blinded to its deficits in many ways. It's sad, because just like religion benefits most from a strong division of church and state, capitalism really benefits the most from sufficient and strong regulation.

749 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:24:20am

re: #731 ralphieboy

and a marketing thing: "experts rediscover ancient lost X" is always more interesting than "marketing department comes us with X"

Or the more accurate "marketing department discovers ancient lost X".

750 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:24:49am

re: #746 iossarian

Yes. I'm a corporation. My needs as such have almost nothing to do with, say, News Corps needs.

751 iossarian  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:26:04am

re: #750 Obdicut

Yes. I'm a corporation.

OMG Mitt Romney was right!

752 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:26:25am

re: #745 ggt

I have a hard time blaming any economic system --as humans are involved.

Blaming an economic system is pointless, since it's not a sentient being. But I wasn't talking about an economic system, I was talking about the political framework of an economic system; the way that we regulate capitalism is weakened considerably by having the rights of corporations based on those of individuals.

753 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:27:25am

re: #750 Obdicut

Yes. I'm a corporation. My needs as such have almost nothing to do with, say, News Corps needs.

I'm a corporation too!

754 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:28:30am

re: #752 Obdicut

Blaming an economic system is pointless, since it's not a sentient being. But I wasn't talking about an economic system, I was talking about the political framework of an economic system; the way that we regulate capitalism is weakened considerably by having the rights of corporations based on those of individuals.

I can agree with that.

What I don't understand is the seeming hatred of Capitalism on one side and the knee-jerk rage against Socialism on the other.

As system is only as good as the humans involved.

755 Gus  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:29:10am

I better get some car paperwork done. Later folks.

756 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:31:13am

re: #754 ggt

I can agree with that.

What I don't understand is the seeming hatred of Capitalism on one side and the knee-jerk rage against Socialism on the other.

As system is only as good as the humans involved.

It's not a hatred of Capitalism - it's a hatred of how Capitalism has been abused.

757 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:32:23am

re: #753 Alouette

I'm a corporation too!

Who was it that said that they'd believe that corporations should be treated like individual human beings when Texas executes one?

758 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:32:42am

re: #754 ggt

I can agree with that.

What I don't understand is the seeming hatred of Capitalism on one side and the knee-jerk rage against Socialism on the other.

As system is only as good as the humans involved.

There aren't two sides. That's one of the main problems is that the two-party division in this country makes everyone really fall into the whole 'left/right' bullshit. There are some groups that hate capitalism, some hate it because they're fanatically religious, some hate it because they're hardcore communists, some hate it because they're dictators, etc. And most of those who hate socialism can't define it.

A system's ultimate limit, in both directions, is the humans inside it. It can be no better than they are, and a bad system is often redeemed by individual humans. But that doesn't meant that the form of the system itself isn't incredibly important. It is. An obviously unbalanced system, like raw capitalism, will lead to obviously imbalanced results, just as it would in the same 'natural' system. If you don't want parasites, you need to set up a system that can actually defend against parasites. You can never eradicate them, but you can at least keep their numbers down. And if you don't, a devastation can occur in the ecology of the economy.

759 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:34:53am

After trying to coexist with the OWS protesters at Zuccotti Park, the Green Market that called the park home for nearly 2 decades has relocated for the foreseeable future. They had to move because there simply wasn't room at the park, and the throngs that would normally visit the stalls couldn't get through.

The new location is Barclay and West Broadway, several blocks north of the park.

760 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:36:33am

I have the whole week off and I'm already bored out of my skull.
:/
Quick! Someone do something stupid!
:)

761 JRCMYP  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:36:41am

What the hell was THAT?

762 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:36:59am

re: #758 Obdicut

A system's ultimate limit, in both directions, is the humans inside it. It can be no better than they are,

I think we are on the same page on this.

I continue to put the responsiblity on the citizens and the Congress Critters we delegate our responsibilites to. We need to exert our power over them in a way they will respond.

I don't know the answer. We delegate some of the responsibility to lobbyists --they do represent individuals as well as corporations.

763 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:37:15am

re: #761 JRCMYP

What the hell was THAT?

He should've thrown a rock into the Potomac.

764 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:37:27am

re: #759 lawhawk

Big Farmer's Markets are ripping us off!!!
/

765 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:38:02am

re: #760 Varek Raith

I have the whole week off and I'm already bored out of my skull.
:/
Quick! Someone do something stupid!
:)

Eat this, you'll feel better.

766 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:39:20am

re: #760 Varek Raith

I have the whole week off and I'm already bored out of my skull.
:/
Quick! Someone do something stupid!
:)

You could read the GOP's version of Dodd-Frank and let me know what it says.
H.R. 3310, I believe.

767 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:40:12am

re: #760 Varek Raith

I have the whole week off and I'm already bored out of my skull.
:/
Quick! Someone do something stupid!
:)

*BOOM!*

Has anyone seen my eyebrows?

768 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:40:52am

re: #759 lawhawk

I would be really, really ticked off.

Farmer's Markets rock.

769 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:41:34am

re: #760 Varek Raith

I have the whole week off and I'm already bored out of my skull.
:/
Quick! Someone do something stupid!
:)

This should help.

770 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:42:16am

re: #769 Cannadian Club Akbar

This should help.

Varek is impersonating dead people now?

771 jaunte  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:47:50am

re: #757 oaktree

Who was it that said that they'd believe that corporations should be treated like individual human beings when Texas executes one?

NPR ran a good interview yesterday with a Yale law school professor, talking about some of the ways corporations should be treated as 'metaphysical' persons, and some of the ways we might benefit by distinguishing between these metaphysical persons and actual ones:

WITT: Well, for the Citizens United case, corporate personhood wasn't required for purposes of the majority's decision to strike down the regulations on campaign spending. Corporate personhood was invoked by the four dissenters in Citizens United. What the dissenters said was that the differences, which are very real, of course, between natural persons and metaphysical persons or corporations might be a good reason to distinguish between natural persons and corporations for purposes of regulating speech.

BLOCK: Well, Professor Witt, I wonder what you think when protestors in Occupy Wall Street talk about ending corporate personhood. What would that mean from a legal point of view?

WITT: I don't think we'd want to end corporate personhood in the sense that ordinary people, including people in the Occupy Wall Street movement, may want to get together and form groups, which should have respect of the legal process. What we might want to do, and this is what the Occupy Wall Street folks have right, is recognize the different characteristic features of large groups invested with powerful amounts of capital in our political process.
[Link: www.npr.org...]

772 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:48:23am

bbiab...

773 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:48:50am

re: #771 jaunte

Exactly.

774 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:49:30am

re: #771 jaunte

And the rank n' file are now supposed to wrap their heads around metaphysics?

They can't even separate church from state.

775 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:50:37am

re: #302 palomino

We should start testing the baby boomers who have just begun receiving SS and Medicare in the last few years. They are the children of the 60's after all. And let's deny their benefits if they occasionally light up a joint in their golden years.

I prefer the plan some columnist once came out with, while talking about the danger of old people who keep driving long after it's safe. He suggested that the Boomers, as they age, surrender their licences in exchange for all the drugs they want.

776 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:51:15am

re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist

I prefer the plan some columnist once came out with, while talking about the danger of old people who keep driving long after it's safe. He suggested that the Boomers, as they age, surrender their licences in exchange for all the drugs they want.

I'm just about ready to do that now. . . .

777 Lidane  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:51:18am

re: #758 Obdicut

There aren't two sides. That's one of the main problems is that the two-party division in this country makes everyone really fall into the whole 'left/right' bullshit.

This.

Right now, the political and electoral system in this country is in a stranglehold to just two parties and two sides. Humans are messy and need more than just two choices. If we had a credible multi-party system that really allowed for smaller parties to get involved in the political process, things would look very different.

778 jaunte  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:51:59am

re: #774 ggt

I guess they could use another word, like abstract?

779 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:53:37am

re: #340 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Tell me about it, since I come from a long line of it.

"Multi-racial" as regards actual screwing, but actual law and economic caste is a much different story. That's more like a salad bowl, or mosaic than melting pot.

The suggestion I like best is 'stew'. You have large chunks of things that are identifiable as carrot or beef, but also a blended gravy that holds the whole thing together and makes it more than a collection of ingredients.

780 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 8:54:02am

re: #778 jaunte

I guess they could use another word, like abstract?

It's still a higher level thought process that many people are simply not capable of, drug abuse, whatever . . .

I'll have to re-read the whole article to get the jist of it.

781 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:00:15am

I have to accomplish something.

Have a great afternoon all!

782 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:01:04am

re: #421 Slumbering Behemoth

white people should not sport dreadlocks. full stop.

I tend to agree in nearly all cases. Now there are people who will argue this with me, vehemently, but really, I think people should do their hair the courtesy of not choosing a hairstyle that blatantly disregards their hair's natural texture and ability to lock without being tortured.

(I started college in 1991. The two white-girl looks that were ghastly that year were shaving your head, a la Sinead O'Connor, and wearing it in locks, which, IIRC, required toothpaste to get started, and a LOT of determination.) Oddly, both of these were looks that could be achieved, and worn, a lot easier and better by black girls, but my classmates were as determined as they were pale.

783 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:01:40am

re: #781 ggt

I have to accomplish something.

Have a great afternoon all!

Well, just leave us hanging.

Are you talking about today, this week, in your lifetime?

Is this a great deed or a little deed? Household something, or national something or local something?

Sheesh.

784 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:02:33am

re: #455 Obdicut

We are damn lucky that any black people were willing to look past their contemptible, shameful treatment by our society and pick up arms in defense of it in World War II.

I always think something similar at the Mills College powwow every year, when they honor the Indian vets, and those currently serving.

785 jaunte  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:03:35am

This looks like a fun place to work.
[Link: photoblog.msnbc.msn.com...]

786 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:05:00am

re: #785 jaunte

This looks like a fun place to work.
[Link: photoblog.msnbc.msn.com...]

Wait. You mean wine is actually made by people who actually walk on it with their actual feet.

Ick.

787 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:05:43am

re: #786 EmmmieG

Wait. You mean wine is actually made by people who actually walk on it with their actual feet.

Ick.

Worse

The couple in the middle is actually sweating!!

788 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:05:45am

Suddenly glad I drink sparkling cider. Nobody's pressing apples with any parts of their bare skin.

789 jaunte  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:06:26am

re: #788 EmmmieG

(Not that you know of...)

790 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:07:34am

re: #788 EmmmieG

Suddenly glad I drink sparkling cider. Nobody's pressing apples with any parts of their bare skin.

Sumo Cider!

791 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:07:50am

re: #789 jaunte

(Not that you know of...)

I had this image of someone trying to stomp on an apple and hopping around the room screaming in pain. It wouldn't feel good.

792 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:09:06am

*Wondering if anyone is going to get up and try it*

793 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:10:13am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Protesters Having Sex, Losing Virginity At Occupy Wall Street

Is this her 15 minutes of fame? Her parents must be so proud.

If I were her mom, I would be far more worried about the Four Lokos. 19 is an fine age to lose one's virginity, although I would optimally pick a situation in which both parties have had a chance to bathe recently.

There is never a good time to drink six Four Lokos.

794 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:10:59am

re: #784 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember going to the Black Hills Pow Wow and they definitely made an effort to honor those who had served in the Armed Forces - past and present. It was a sight to behold.

795 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:11:10am

re: #556 laZardo

I'm 24. Does that make me a fascist?

i didn't just say that did i

;-;

I think after 21 you get recategorized as a romantic.

796 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:12:50am

re: #607 RogueOne

You guys are making it awfully difficult on me. I don't know that I've ever bitten my tongue this hard.

Too bad none of you went to catholic school...

I've TAUGHT in Catholic schools.

797 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:14:08am

re: #631 Sergey Romanov

First of all, I doubt that any style called "sistema" can be called an ancient Russian martial art. Because it's a modern word. So at best it could be said to be some mix of old Russian techniques. The problem is that there are no documents detailing any ancient techniques. All the modern "restored" systems are basically newly constructed systems without evidential ties to authentic ancient fighting systems (if one can even say that there were any such developed systems, analogous to Chinese ones, for example), with perhaps some traditional elements taken from Cossacks etc. thrown in (which, again, doesn't guarantee any sort of authenticity). It doesn't mean that "it doesn't work", it's just not ancient martial arts.

Sounds similar to the infamous Abir/Qesheth, the amazing ancient Israelite martial art.

798 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:14:49am

re: #793 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were her mom, I would be far more worried about the Four Lokos. 19 is an fine age to lose one's virginity, although I would optimally pick a situation in which both parties have had a chance to bathe recently.

There is never a good time to drink six Four Lokos.

At first I didn't think the individual stories of crime, rape, etc were terribly relevant to the various OWS camps. But it seems more important than I thought. Even here in Portland there's been a rise in vandalism, drug and disorderly arrests. The lawlessness was a major factor in closing down the Oakland camp. These camps create problems for the local communities and surrounding businesses. It's a serious flaw in the movement.

799 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:16:19am

re: #641 Alouette

This Israeli guy has claimed to discover "The Ancient Israelite Martial Arts." It's all BS, he just adapted it from some Korean system that he already knew. It is pretty cool, though.

The Aluf Abir is a total con artist--and some of his taller tales are enough to make me want to weep--but on the other hand, Kuk Sool Wan in tzitzit is pretty fun.

800 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:16:36am

re: #786 EmmmieG

Wait. You mean wine is actually made by people who actually walk on it with their actual feet.

Ick.

I seem to remember an "I Love Lucy" episode about grape stomping.

801 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:16:42am

re: #607 RogueOne

re: #796 SanFranciscoZionist

I've TAUGHT in Catholic schools.

Me ,, attended for 12 years

Taught (gym)/ coached hockey in one for three

Where do you think I got my sex ed from!!

(not to mention a healthy bank of fantasies!!)

802 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:17:46am

re: #800 Alouette

I seem to remember an "I Love Lucy" episode about grape stomping.

803 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:17:48am

re: #654 thedopefishlives

It's a prestige thing. Saying that you're a black belt in a 4000-year-old lost ancient art from China automatically gives you a bigger penis than the guy that's a black belt in some wimpy new martial art that was invented in the 1970's. Don't ask me how, but it does, srsly.

I'm given to understand, as well, that one advantage of the 'Abir' system is that some rabbis from the sort of communities where you don't let your kids study goyische martial arts have given his ISRAELITE system a clean bill of health.

804 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:18:39am

re: #661 Sergey Romanov

There's a kooky-nationalist aspect to this. People just can't get over that their culture didn't produce, this, or that, or something else. So we get musings about Slavic history counting up to tens of thousands of years (with "ancient manuscripts" as evidence, even), etc., etc.

I'm on an Abir roll!

Says the Aluf Abir, "Why should Middle Easterners not have a martial art? Aren't we as Asian as other Asians?"

805 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:20:45am

re: #803 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm given to understand, as well, that one advantage of the 'Abir' system is that some rabbis from the sort of communities where you don't let your kids study goyische martial arts have given his ISRAELITE system a clean bill of health.

That's probably because boys and girls don't train at the same dojo.

806 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:24:03am

re: #804 SanFranciscoZionist

Is "Abir" related to "Habiru" by any chance?

807 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:24:56am

re: #803 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it related to associated "spiritual practices" of the said arts?

808 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:26:01am

re: #805 Alouette

That's probably because boys and girls don't train at the same dojo.

I don't know if women study it at all. I've never seen a woman in his photos, or heard a reference.

It's probably like Gemara--too hard for light-headed females.

///

809 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:26:46am

I can haz millionburger?

Image: Rick_Perry.jpg

810 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:26:51am

re: #808 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if women study it at all. I've never seen a woman in his photos, or heard a reference.

It's probably like Gemara--too hard for light-headed females.

///

My daughter goes to Tae Kwon Do.

811 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:27:58am

Oh, man. This has the potential to approach a level of derp previously unheard of:

Presidential rivals Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) will participate in a "Lincoln-Douglas" influenced debate hosted by Tea Party activists in Texas next month, National Review is reporting.

The debate will focus on fiscal issues and the economy, and will be moderated by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa).

812 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:28:29am

Well, seems Cain tops Romney:

CBS/NYT. 10/19-24. Republican primary voters. ±5%.
Cain: 25
Romney: 21
Gingrich: 10
Paul: 8
Perry: 6
Bachmann: <2
Huntsman: <2
Santorum: <2

waitthatsoundedwrong

813 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:29:17am

re: #812 Sergey Romanov

And yet he has no actual campaign. It's pretty zen.

814 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:30:09am

re: #813 Obdicut

yes he does, its "I'm not Romney"

815 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:30:34am

re: #814 Shropshire_Slasher

he said "actual"

816 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:31:14am

re: #806 Sergey Romanov

Is "Abir" related to "Habiru" by any chance?

The word means 'strong', or 'strength', but he probably connects the two.

He also claimed, in one of his newsletters that 'sumo' is derived from 'sumer', and is actually an import to Japan from our ancient Israelite system.

In the same newsletter, he complained at length about the word 'Jew', and how he doesn't understand where it comes from, ('jeweler' maybe?) and he doesn't like the word, because it has nothing to do with who we are as...Yehudim.

He's now calling it 'Abir/Qesheth'. The qesheth part is derived from a verse in 2nd Samuel, Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow, behold it is written in the book of Jasher. According to the Aluf Abir, the 'keshet' referred to there is not an archer's bow, (as in normal Hebrew usage), but his system.

The proof? He SAYS so.

817 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:32:16am

re: #807 Sergey Romanov

Is it related to associated "spiritual practices" of the said arts?

Yes. Some folks steer clear of the East Asian martial arts and exercise systems and such because they think it's connected to idolatry.

I'd almost rather idolatry than total historical revisionism, but that's just me. I'm just a frei girl.

818 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:32:59am

re: #816 SanFranciscoZionist

Gee, it's all the same everywhere. I love kooks (in my own way).

819 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:34:25am

re: #815 Sergey Romanov

Don't get me wrong, I think an inanimate carbon rod has a better chance of beating President Obama than any of these clowns.

820 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:34:58am

re: #816 SanFranciscoZionist

The word means 'strong', or 'strength', but he probably connects the two.

He also claimed, in one of his newsletters that 'sumo' is derived from 'sumer', and is actually an import to Japan from our ancient Israelite system.

In the same newsletter, he complained at length about the word 'Jew', and how he doesn't understand where it comes from, ('jeweler' maybe?) and he doesn't like the word, because it has nothing to do with who we are as...Yehudim.

He's now calling it 'Abir/Qesheth'. The qesheth part is derived from a verse in 2nd Samuel, Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow, behold it is written in the book of Jasher. According to the Aluf Abir, the 'keshet' referred to there is not an archer's bow, (as in normal Hebrew usage), but his system.

The proof? He SAYS so.

Abir also used to be a brand of Israeli beer. I don't know if they make it any more, but it's kind of cool to say "I'll have a beer" and get Abir.

821 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:35:04am

re: #819 Shropshire_Slasher

I don't know why you underestimate Romney tho ;)

822 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:35:18am

Israel authorizes swap with Egypt to secure release of Israeli-American Ilan Grapel. Grapel was picked up by Egyptian security during the uprisings in Cairo; he'll be swapped for 25 Egyptians held in Israeli jails. The Egyptians had claimed he was engaging in espionage, but those charges were later reduced to incitement:

Grapel is expected to return to Israel on Thursday. A statement put out by the Prime Minister's Office said Israel agreed to the Egyptian request for the release 22 Egyptian prisoners, and three minors. While the list of the prisoners has not yet been released, they are not believed to be security prisoners, but rather Egyptians in Israeli jails for carrying out criminal acts such as smuggling from Sinai into Israel.

According to the statement, Netanyahu directed the officials dealing with the matter to make all efforts to also free Ouda Tarabin, another Israeli citizen in Egyptian jails. Tarabin, a Beduin shepherd, has been held for 11 years on espionage charges after illegally entering Egypt.

823 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:35:24am

Otzi's genome has been deciphered, I hear.

824 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:35:28am

re: #803 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm given to understand, as well, that one advantage of the 'Abir' system is that some rabbis from the sort of communities where you don't let your kids study goyische martial arts have given his ISRAELITE system a clean bill of health.

That's great and all, but there's no need to dig up a completely falsified mystical ancient background to the martial art. Just advertise it as a martial art by Jews, for Jews, and leave it at that.

825 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:36:07am

re: #818 Sergey Romanov

Gee, it's all the same everywhere. I love kooks (in my own way).

I think it's fairly hilarious. I want a t-shirt.

826 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:37:46am

re: #823 Sergey Romanov

Otzi's genome has been deciphered, I hear.

Ice-block man?

827 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:38:43am

re: #826 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep.

[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

828 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:39:12am

re: #824 thedopefishlives

That's great and all, but there's no need to dig up a completely falsified mystical ancient background to the martial art. Just advertise it as a martial art by Jews, for Jews, and leave it at that.

Ohhh, I couldn't agree more, but OTOH, would you want to miss THIS?

829 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:39:52am

re: #828 SanFranciscoZionist

Ohhh, I couldn't agree more, but OTOH, would you want to miss THIS?

Mah zot?

830 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:39:58am

re: #319 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's just a bad metaphor in my opinion. No point in getting defensive about it, it's just a concept.

BTW as one of those who has been doing the *actual* integrating/melting/whatever for a few decades, now, I don't need maps or anecdotes about commutes.

I'm sure you do not, but I felt it a good idea to attach a supporting bit of data. Since we seem to disagree.

831 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:40:14am

re: #828 SanFranciscoZionist

Ohhh, I couldn't agree more, but OTOH, would you want to miss THIS?

Just as long as this "ancient Israelite martial art" doesn't involve anything like the "martial training" the people commonly referred to as Palestinians go through.

;)

832 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:40:48am

re: #828 SanFranciscoZionist

Ohhh, I couldn't agree more, but OTOH, would you want to miss THIS?

Sorry,

I always mess up embedding,

833 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:43:09am

re: #831 thedopefishlives

Just as long as this "ancient Israelite martial art" doesn't involve anything like the "martial training" the people commonly referred to as Palestinians go through.

;)

I was thinking of it the other way--a Palestinian version of the Aluf pops up with his own version, insisting that it is far more authentic.

I'm envisioning a truly demented, all-Semitic, version of The Karate Kid resulting from this.

834 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:45:21am

re: #833 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking of it the other way--a Palestinian version of the Aluf pops up with his own version, insisting that it is far more authentic.

I'm envisioning a truly demented, all-Semitic, version of The Karate Kid resulting from this.

What did they strap to their bodies before they had nail bombs?

835 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:45:31am

re: #832 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry,

I always mess up embedding,

[Video]

I should explain that the 'tribal dance' is meant to be that of the tribe of Benjamin--Binyamin--and that their symbol is a wolf.

If that makes this slightly more comprehensible. It might not.

836 freetoken  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:47:00am

re: #811 makeitstop

Cain, Gingrich, King... what more could anyone ask?

837 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:47:25am

re: #835 SanFranciscoZionist

I should explain that the 'tribal dance' is meant to be that of the tribe of Benjamin--Binyamin--and that their symbol is a wolf.

If that makes this slightly more comprehensible. It might not.

It looked like an outtake from Jeff Bridges "The Men Who Stare At Goats"

838 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:49:34am

re: #837 Alouette

It looked like an outtake from Jeff Bridges "The Men Who Stare At Goats"

So it doesn't suddenly fill you with a deep tribal memory? Me neither.

839 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:50:40am

re: #838 SanFranciscoZionist

So it doesn't suddenly fill you with a deep tribal memory? Me neither.

Wait, hang on, I think I feel something...

...No, that was the Chipotle that I ate yesterday for lunch. Sowwies.

840 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:51:42am

House GOP Lays Trap For Obama On Jobs Plan

The House GOP has hit upon a way to undercut President Obama’s attacks on them and advance conservative policy goals all at once. This week, they’ll pass legislation that includes perhaps the least stimulative measure in President Obama’s jobs bill and pay for it with perhaps the most regressive measure in a recent package of deficit reducing proposals he submitted to the joint deficit super committee.

It’s a case study in the perils of offering concessions to your opponents before negotiations have begun. And it will force Democrats in both chambers, but particularly in the Senate, to decide whether to pass a proposal comprised of measures Obama’s backed in the past, even though they’ve been cherry picked to essentially constitute a Republican piece of legislation. If Senate Dems block the measure, Republicans will accuse them of wanting to pick political fights instead of passing Obama jobs legislation. If Dems pass the measure, and Obama signs it, the GOP can cite it as evidence that they’re not simply standing in the way of action on the economy.

841 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:52:08am

re: #838 SanFranciscoZionist

So it doesn't suddenly fill you with a deep tribal memory? Me neither.

It's a turkey feather, because there's a $25,000 fine for killing an eagle.

842 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:53:00am

The norther Lights made a trip down south last night. Here is a picture from Virginia.

[Link: twitter.com...]

843 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:56:33am

re: #842 NJDhockeyfan

The norther Lights made a trip down south last night. Here is a picture from Virginia.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Ooooh.

844 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:57:23am

re: #843 SanFranciscoZionist

Ooooh.

Aaaahhhh

845 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 9:58:34am

Did anyone else notice that, in the video above, Block is shaking his head "no" while saying "I believe..."? That's a tell. He does not believe what he's saying.

846 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:03:01am

re: #840 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It’s a case study in the perils of offering concessions to your opponents before negotiations have begun.

Yeah, I called it.

847 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:03:48am

re: #844 sattv4u2

Aaaahhh

LGF erotica.

848 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:04:00am

re: #845 wrenchwench

Did anyone else notice that, in the video above, Block is shaking his head "no" while saying "I believe..."? That's a tell. He does not believe what he's saying.

That really struck me as weird the first time I watched the video. But the whole ad is just weird.

The guy speaks like he's reading a grocery list, he's not the least bit telegenic... and the cigarette.

I still have no idea who they're trying to influence or persuade with that ad. It's as if they looked at a list of things that make for a persuasive political ad and did the opposite.

849 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:05:14am

re: #845 wrenchwench

Did anyone else notice that, in the video above, Block is shaking his head "no" while saying "I believe..."? That's a tell. He does not believe what he's saying.

McCain did the same thing when asked if Sarah Palin was qualified to be president.

850 Kragar  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:06:07am

re: #846 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, I called it.

If I've learned anything from the GOP, its that they won't keep their word.

851 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:09:34am

re: #848 makeitstop

That really struck me as weird the first time I watched the video. But the whole ad is just weird.

The guy speaks like he's reading a grocery list, he's not the least bit telegenic... and the cigarette.

I still have no idea who they're trying to influence or persuade with that ad. It's as if they looked at a list of things that make for a persuasive political ad and did the opposite.

Yeah. At the end, he looks like he thinks he really TOLD you something, but it doesn't inform, it doesn't give you an idea of what Cain is pitching himself as...the most engaging, hook-like part is the Krista Branch song.

He could do this for literally any candidate, and it would be just as uninspiring. Actually, he could do this for any candidate, and you would have no idea who they were, what party they were with, if they were sentient...

852 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:09:48am

re: #301 Rightwingconspirator

BTW this is what D_L runs at a match. In .40S&W long loaded

Next day and long after, but that is a very nice piece. I might get an RIA, probably their Tactical, in .45 but until then I'm quite happy with a good old Model 10.

853 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:12:11am
854 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:12:21am

re: #851 SanFranciscoZionist

the most engaging, hook-like part is the Krista Branch song.

That speaks volumes right there. That song is horrible.

855 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:15:56am

re: #854 makeitstop

That speaks volumes right there. That song is horrible.

Still, no matter how bad the song, folky-rocky chords with a woman's voice singing 'America' is about a thousand times more emotional and effective than 'man standing too close to the camera says some vague stuff about another guy who's running for President'.

856 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:16:47am

re: #855 SanFranciscoZionist

Still, no matter how bad the song, folky-rocky chords with a woman's voice singing 'America' is about a thousand times more emotional and effective than 'man standing too close to the camera says some vague stuff about another guy who's running for President'.

Damnit people! Have we learned nothing from the demon sheep? If you're going to make a bad political ad, at least make it SPECTACULAR!!!

857 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:17:26am

re: #784 SanFranciscoZionist

I always think something similar at the Mills College powwow every year, when they honor the Indian vets, and those currently serving.

Had an old vinyl 33 of Navajo war songs. It included songs up to the Korean War. Just another war.

858 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:17:27am

re: #851 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem with the ad is that Block is a nobody. We usually expect someone with (real or glitzy) credibility to vouch for a candidate. This ad is so weird is because this guy is not a "guy from the street", a "worker", a "scientist" etc. etc.

859 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 10:37:00am

re: #817 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Some folks steer clear of the East Asian martial arts and exercise systems and such because they think it's connected to idolatry.

I'd almost rather idolatry than total historical revisionism, but that's just me. I'm just a frei girl.

Maybe they should go for a modern system like Rex Kwon Do?
/

860 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 25, 2011 12:25:07pm

re: #830 Rightwingconspirator

I'm sure you do not, but I felt it a good idea to attach a supporting bit of data. Since we seem to disagree.

It's a metaphor, not a fact that needs support with data.

Why so emotionally attached to a simple metaphor?


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