Another Hotel Turns Away Pamela Geller’s Bigot Brigade

The shrieking harpy has a bad week
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Anti-Muslim demagogue Pamela Geller rants and raves and spews bigoted hate speech and twisted conspiracy theories 24 hours a day, so she really shouldn’t be surprised when reputable businesses don’t want anything to do with her: Another hotel turns away Pamela Geller and anti-Shariah group.

A week after a Hyatt Place hotel forced the Sugar Land Tea Party to move their controversial event featuring Pamela Geller, the same thing seems to be happening in Nashville.

The Tennessean reports that Hutton Hotel canceled a contract for an event where Geller, her partner Robert Spencer and other anti-Shariah activists were scheduled to speak. The hotel is owned by Amerimar Enterprises, which operates Houston’s Hotel Derek.

“If this group had let us know what kind of program they were planning and who was involved, we wouldn’t have booked it,” Steve Eckley, senior vice president of hotels for Amerimar, told the newspaper.

But of course, Geller and her crony Robert Spencer know what’s really happening here: creeping shariah.

Organizers of the event, called Sharia Free USA, say the hotel has caved to sharia law in cancelling their event.

“We will find a new venue,” said Spencer, also of Stop the Islamization of America, “but the Hutton Hotel’s capitulation to Islamic supremacist threats and intimidation is a disgrace, and a disquieting reminder of just how much the freedom of speech is threatened in America today.”

Kudos to the Hyatt and Hutton hotels, who did the right thing and chose not to be associated with the Geller-Spencer brand of poisonous incitement and hate speech.

UPDATE at 10/26/11 1:16:42 pm

Pamela Geller is absolutely frothing with rage at her website; there are no less than nine posts on her front page right now about these cancellations.

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319 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:16:34pm

It'll be held in Pammy's basement.

2 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:16:38pm

Ha ha I love this line;

Geller and the Tea Partiers had the same reaction when asked to leave the Hyatt, a chain which Geller and her supporters threatened to protest over the incident. They met at a community center instead. Hyatt has since apologized for not working harder to accommodate them.

/Commies

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:16:57pm

Pamela Geller is absolutely frothing with rage at her website; there are no less than nine posts on her front page right now about these cancellations.

4 Kragar  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:17:05pm

Creeping Sharia!

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:18:01pm

re: #3 Charles

Pamela Geller is absolutely frothing with rage at her website; there are no less than nine posts on her front page right now about these cancellations.

That's sweet. But also, is there ever a time when she does not froth with rage?

6 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:18:10pm

Freedom of speech is not a mandate for everyone to have to listen to your bullshit, Pam.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:18:31pm

re: #3 Charles

I'll take your word for it.

8 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:19:28pm

re: #5 Sergey Romanov

I bought my wife a milk frother. She really likes it.

9 erik_t  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:19:35pm

If froth from... that... is Santorum, is froth from creeping Sharia rage called 'Geller'?

10 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:19:57pm

pulsing, tumescent shariah


shariah with length AND girth

11 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:20:36pm

Unfortunately, their screaming and crying has gotten the Hyatt hotel manager to slightly back down. Geller has posted all the phone numbers and names of contact people at her site and is begging her Neanderthal followers to barrage them with complaints.

12 jaunte  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:20:53pm

Pam's very pious about fighting Creeping Sharia, but raving about getting dumped by a hotel shows where her priorities really are. "Don't you know who am?"

13 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:21:05pm

I wonder if Geller & Spencer have any idea how completely unhinged they sound, especially to people who aren't familiar with their *ahem* hyperbole.

14 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:22:04pm

re: #3 Charles

Pamela Geller is absolutely frothing with rage at her website; there are no less than nine posts on her front page right now about these cancellations.

See, atheists? There IS a God. Bwahahahaha!

15 Simply Sarah  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:22:09pm
I'm very sorry, ma'am, but you need to wear shoes inside the restaurant. I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

What? This is an outrage! How dare you bow to Islamist shariah and kick me out!

16 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:22:15pm

Freedom of speech doesn't include a hotel ball room to do your speaking in...

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:22:35pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

for people supposedly on the front lines defending America against a monolithic cultural invasion, they sure whine like little kids

18 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:22:58pm

re: #11 Charles

Unfortunately, their screaming and crying has gotten the Hyatt hotel manager to slightly back down. Geller has posted all the phone numbers and names of contact people at her site and is begging her Neanderthal followers to barrage them with complaints.

Which probably consists primarily of a lot of four letter words, death threats, and accusations that the hotel managers are "stealth jihadists" or at least on their payroll, as that would be the only explanation in the minds of Geller's legions for why she'd be considered toxic by anyone looking not to scare off customers.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:22:59pm

re: #8 Amory Blaine

I bought my wife a milk frother. She really likes it.

Heh, that reminds me - Image: index-1.gif

20 [deleted]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:23:27pm
21 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:23:33pm

This hotel didn't really think this through. Do they know how much money they lost from mini-bar sales? Just sayin'.:)

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:25:34pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

This hotel didn't really think this through. Do they know how much money they lost from mini-bar sales? Just sayin'.:)

Maybe someone can put her up in a Super 8 and call it the Hyatt, she'll be trashed, she won't notice

23 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:29:51pm

Shrieking Harpy + Malevolent Gnome + Creeping Sharia = Awesome Halloween decorations!

24 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:29:58pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

Freedom of speech doesn't include a hotel ball room to do your speaking in...

Yeah, I have to say I'm getting rather tired of people screaming "My rights have been violated!" when they're denied their choice of soapbox upon which to stand. The Constitution guarantees your rights, it does not entitle you to the means to exercise them.

25 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:30:14pm

Hyatt is privately owned, I believe, by the Pritzger family, who is Jewish. If they do wind up refusing, expect another name to be added to the "Jewicidal" list.

J.B. Pritzger is a philanthropist who does a lot of work on genocide related issues. Isn't Pam a Serbian genocide denier these days?

26 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:30:34pm

re: #23 wrenchwench

+ Malevolent Gnome +

Yeah, Putin is a must.

27 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:31:43pm

re: #24 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If they could show they were actually being discriminated against because of who they are-- as in, in the same way they want to discriminate against Muslims-- rather than for what they say, then they'd have a case, I'd think.

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:31:48pm

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29 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:32:59pm
capitulation to Islamic supremacist threats and intimidation

How long before they call for the battle against the forces of Nihilistic Multiculturalism to commence?

30 Simply Sarah  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:33:25pm

re: #27 Obdicut

If they could show they were actually being discriminated against because of who they are-- as in, in the same way they want to discriminate against Muslims-- rather than for what they say, then they'd have a case, I'd think.

Well, they could always lobby Congress to get a public accommodations protections for bigoted assholes. Then they'd totally have a case here.

31 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:33:57pm

re: #26 Sergey Romanov

+ Malevolent Gnome +

Yeah, Putin is a must.

Locally, that's Spencer.

32 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:34:50pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Yeah, Putin is a must.

Locally, that's Spencer.

(I know;)

33 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:35:02pm

Organizers of the event, called Sharia Free USA, say the hotel has caved to sharia law

i am outraged to find that Hyatt Hotels has also been influenced by the creeping albigensianism that will surely destroy america!

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:36:31pm

Charles, please take a look at #32. I get this mistaken blockquote nesting from time to time.

35 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:36:37pm

Pam, STFU and STHD.
Thanks.

36 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:36:53pm

re: #10 WindUpBird

pulsing, tumescent shariah

shariah with length AND girth

Oh My!!!

Image: daily-mail-reader.jpg

37 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:42:27pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Pam, STFU and STHD.
Thanks.

but definitely not TOGTFO

38 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:44:53pm

Crazy conspiracies of discrimination and suppression of free speech. Check.
Dispensing large quantities of rage on the internet. Check.
Posting names and numbers to encourage mob mentality. Check.
Standing of the rooftop screaming about the influence of creeping Sharia Law. Check
Stripping to the oldies. Thankfully unchecked.

39 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:47:08pm
40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:47:36pm

Anti-Buchanan petition:

[Link: act.colorofchange.org...]

41 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:49:45pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

Oakland Police Critically Injure Iraq War Vet During Occupy March

Okay, that sucks. Don't tear-gas people who are helping up the dude you just tear-gassed.

Congrats, Oakland PD, you fucked up again.

43 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:56:25pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Anti-Buchanan petition:

[Link: act.colorofchange.org...]

Signed.

44 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:57:25pm

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frank Gaffney Says Anti-Hate Activists Want To Execute Him With 'Shariah Blasphemy Laws'

makeitstop says Frank Gaffney is out of his tiny little mind.

45 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:59:09pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

Oakland Police Critically Injure Iraq War Vet During Occupy March

OK, that is a textbook example of excessive force. I expect a lawsuit against the Oakland Police Department.

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 1:59:18pm

re: #41 Obdicut

Okay, that sucks. Don't tear-gas people who are helping up the dude you just tear-gassed.

Congrats, Oakland PD, you fucked up again.

Was he injured in that incident? I saw the flashbang into the group helping a downed protester. and it did seem unnecessary. I saw some video of some of the early arrests in the park. Protesters were acting nonviolently, not resisting arrest, etc. That changed as the police continued clearing the park. My sympathy for the protesters is tempered by the fact that they were participating in a mob attacking police. That's how people get injured.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:00:18pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

Geez. I don't care where you land on the OWS thing, this is just plain fucked:

48 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:00:39pm

re: #45 Idle Drifter

OK, that is a textbook example of excessive force. I expect a lawsuit against the Oakland Police Department.

Probably. I'm not very sympathetic towards the protesters but I have a hard time imagining that was within established police procedure.

49 Four More Beers  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:04:01pm

Does the drunk harpy not understand that "freedom of speech" applies to the government and not private companies? If Atlas Shrieks worked for a private company and called a Muslim co-worker a "camel jockey" or whatever, that company has the right to fire (and would fire) her on the spot. This is not a "freedom of speech" issue whatsoever. This is about two companies exercising THEIR right to keep people or groups away from affecting their bottom line. Pam, put the Grey Goose down before those two remaining cells in your brain burst.

50 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:05:13pm

I have a new page up about the history of Herman Cain. He is a more dirty bastard than you might think.

Exposing Herman Cain: The Koch Candidate

A little dirty history of Cain:

Herman Cain was the Godfather pizza CEO a long time ago. Most recently, he has been a talking head for Koch front group Americans For Prosperity but his career has been very interesting and tied to position after position of directorships in both business and business lobby groups.

Cain resigned as CEO of Godfather Pizza in 1996. After that he joined became the CEO of the national restaurant association, a lobby group for food interests. He had been a chairman concurrently while still at Godfather.

Being the busy, DC/corporate player that he was, he also got on the board of directors of the now defunct, and corrupt, Aquila, Inc. in 1992. He was there until 2008. Aquila was an energy corporation tied up in the Enron scandal amongst other dirty dealings while Cain was on the board of directors...

And much more in the post including a Rachel Maddow Clip.

51 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:07:01pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

I wasn't talking about the protesters at large. I was talking about that specific incident.

The protesters are amateurs. The police are supposed to be professionals.

52 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:08:13pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez. I don't care where you land on the OWS thing, this is just plain fucked:

[Video]

Sure is. Just bad.

53 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:09:16pm

re: #51 Obdicut

I wasn't talking about the protesters at large. I was talking about that specific incident.

The protesters are amateurs. The police are supposed to be professionals.

Agreed.

54 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:10:07pm

I wonder how long it take before the Oakland P.D. requests/demands that You Tube take down these videos? For all the good it will do them.

Google report reveals YouTube takedown requests... by country.
UK wants jihadists off, Germany nixes Nazis, US wants to hide cop brutality.

Transparency Report: United States

"We received a request from a local law enforcement agency to remove YouTube videos of police brutality, which we did not remove. Separately, we received requests from a different local law enforcement agency for removal of videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. We did not comply with those requests, which we have categorized in this Report as defamation requests."

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:11:12pm

re: #52 makeitstop

Yeah, I'm not inclined to give any kind of protesters the benefit of the doubt based solely on their word, but there is no denying what I can see with my own eyes.

56 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:11:55pm

From Balloon Juice

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57 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:12:22pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I'm not inclined to give any kind of protesters the benefit of the doubt based solely on their word, but there is no denying what I can see with my own eyes.

The worst part is the guy is a vet. Not that the cops would have known that, but still.

He did not deserve that.

58 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:12:38pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Probably. I'm not very sympathetic towards the protesters but I have a hard time imagining that was within established police procedure.

True. While the police can fire tear gas grenades into crowds it's usually high arcs with thrown stun and teargas grenades for close encounters. Though only way I can see a police officer firing a grenade launcher directly at protestors would be to skip the grenade at their feet to bleed off energy or if the officers is threatened aiming for a non vital area like the legs or abdominal area never the head or center chest. It might have been an accident but with cameras held by protestors and news crews alike it wasn't the brightest move on the offending officer to throw stun grenades at them while helping a downed protestor.

59 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:15:05pm

re: #57 makeitstop

Really, really, really hope he doesn't have PTSD.

60 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:17:20pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I'm not inclined to give any kind of protesters the benefit of the doubt based solely on their word, but there is no denying what I can see with my own eyes.

The only possible justification I could imagine is that the police wanted to come out from the barricade to arrest him and wanted the crowd to back off. It's a bit of a stretch but it's the only scenario I can imagine where that might be justified.

61 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:19:52pm

Why don't they just host it inside Geller's head? There is plenty of vacancy

62 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:20:00pm

re: #57 makeitstop

The worst part is the guy is a vet. Not that the cops would have known that, but still.

He did not deserve that.

I think the vet was injured in a separate incident. He caught a rubber bullet in the face. He is entitled to the right to protest and free speech but Veterans for Peace is a pretty awful group in my opinion. We'll hopefully learn more about the incident in the coming weeks.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:20:08pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

The only possible justification I could imagine is that the police wanted to come out from the barricade to arrest him and wanted the crowd to back off. It's a bit of a stretch but it's the only scenario I can imagine where that might be justified.

Fairly sure that's still not procedure, and it's not logical--they might have scattered with the second volley, but there's nothing stopping them from taking him with them, or him from following. You can't use tear gas like a spray bottle to get the cat off the counter.

64 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:20:35pm

I have a feeling it's gonna get worse. You can't demoralize people like this. Someone, especially one who feels they have nothing to lose, is going to take a gun to a protest sooner or later...

65 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:21:10pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

It's still not 'justified'. It might mean they had a good motive, but it's still stupid. He was down. He might be critically injured. Adding another possible injury to that is foolish in the extreme.

66 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:21:41pm

re: #64 OhNoZombies!

I really hope not.

67 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:22:00pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

Fairly sure that's still not procedure, and it's not logical--they might have scattered with the second volley, but there's nothing stopping them from taking him with them, or him from following. You can't use tear gas like a spray bottle to get the cat off the counter.

Agreed, if that was the case pepper spray would be the better choice. The other protesters could run from the flashbangs but the injured guy has no way avoid it.

68 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:22:51pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

I think the vet was injured in a separate incident. He caught a rubber bullet in the face. He is entitled to the right to protest and free speech but Veterans for Peace is a pretty awful group in my opinion. We'll hopefully learn more about the incident in the coming weeks.

That's the one that was linked to here:

re: #39 Amory Blaine

Oakland Police Critically Injure Iraq War Vet During Occupy March

And whether or not VFP is an 'awful group' or not, the man has earned his right to protest.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:23:22pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Agreed, if that was the case pepper spray would be the better choice. The other protesters could run from the flashbangs but the injured guy has no way avoid it.

What were they arresting him for again?

70 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:24:14pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Agreed, if that was the case pepper spray would be the better choice. The other protesters could run from the flashbangs but the injured guy has no way avoid it.

No, pepper spray is still a bad idea. You don't want to add respiratory failure to a head wound.

71 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:25:40pm

re: #64 OhNoZombies!
It's hard to tell if the chaos and violence is a natural result of the unorganized protesters but the coalition who put these protests together are a pretty radical bunch. Ongoing large and chaotic protests like G20 riots seems to be the main goal of the protests. They may get their wish.

72 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:25:57pm

re: #66 Obdicut

Same here.

73 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:26:35pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

What were they arresting him for again?

I have no clue. We don't even see how he was injured. It could be anything.

74 BishopX  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:27:20pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

The only possible justification I could imagine is that the police wanted to come out from the barricade to arrest him and wanted the crowd to back off. It's a bit of a stretch but it's the only scenario I can imagine where that might be justified.

Take a look at the video. The police line isn't moving.

75 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:29:47pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I think you're vastly overstating it when you say a coalition put these protests together. Adbusters really appears to have had almost nothing to do with it except advertising it How many people are actually in Adbusters, anyway? Who are the other people in the 'coalition'?

I think that the Tea Party stuff got astroturfed; that doesn't mean I think they were actually 'put together' by Dick Armey et al. A lot of them-- like the rage-filled jerks showing up to town halls-- really were grassroots. Grassroots derpitude, but grassroots nonetheless.

The main problem with the protests are that they're disorganized and have no clear agenda. I don't think it's in the least accurate to say that their main goal is large and chaotic protests. In the case of Oakland, the chaos was the result of the police allowing them to camp in such a large area in the first place, and then deciding to revoke that permission.

76 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:30:53pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Problem is, someone who has nothing to do with the radical elements is gonna get hurt.
I'm worried about the elements I know nothing about, like the lone wolf.

77 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:32:07pm

re: #76 OhNoZombies!

Problem is, someone who has nothing to do with the radical elements is gonna get hurt.
I'm worried about the elements I know nothing about, like the lone wolf.

I'm worried about the same sort of fucks that ruin San Francisco Halloween by showing up and opening fire.

78 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:36:24pm

Cain post updated, and editing errors/ typos corrected

Exposing Herman Cain: The Koch Candidate

Rachel Maddow has more:

According to her, Cain's campaign is non-existent in several key primary states. She speculates that in the new post Citizen's United environment, he doesn't need to campaign that hard given the current field of opponents. He has a ready made and powerful infrastructure that has picked him as their candidate.

79 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:36:33pm

re: #77 Obdicut

Bingo. Or the guy who takes their AR-15 to the protest and starts shooting at the police cause they felt threatened.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:38:43pm

A friend posts to facebook: #OccupyOakland Report: #Nonviolence is working! Cops r quitting, disgusted w orders. Some giving 2 weeks notice others walking away today.

Dubious.

My favorite comment below it though:

i would love for this good news to be true. good on those individual pigs.

This reminds me irresistably of Kat Williams' comment: "Now ladies, I'm only calling you bitches because I don't know your names individually."

81 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:38:47pm

re: #78 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't think that's a stretch at all.

82 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:39:44pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

What were they arresting him for again?

They usually arrest people for trespassing when they break these things up.

83 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:41:01pm

re: #81 OhNoZombies!

I don't think that's a stretch at all.

It isn't. Please read my whole post. He is a career corporate shill with a dirty past.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:41:08pm

re: #82 Conservative Moonbat

They usually arrest people for trespassing when they break these things up.

The scenario seemed to suggest, though that THIS guy was especially to be arrested.

85 BishopX  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:42:02pm

So last night after the whole teargas incident the OPD claimed that they had only used teargas to stop the protests. They denied using rubber bullets or flash-bangs, and claimed that any loud noises recorded were the result of the protestors throwing M-80s at the police. Today, after various media organizations started publishing video that seems to clearly show flash-bangs being used (see the NYTimes lede blog as an example), they are now claiming that if those things were used it wasn't by the OPD. From the bay citizen:

An Oakland police officer told The Bay Citizen that the police department is investigating a use of force incident that caused serious injuries, but that it may not be OPD who was responsible. On Tuesday night, Oakland police said officers did not use any rubber bullets or non-lethal munitions to quell the protest.

In other words the OPD brought in a whole bunch cops and sheriffs deputies from central CA, and is now claiming they don't know what kind of equipment they deployed. In other words they're admitting they had no control over the police response.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:42:49pm

re: #82 Conservative Moonbat

They usually arrest people for trespassing when they break these things up.

Disorderly conduct is another common charge. Since we don't see how he was injured, it's hard to tell. He might have thrown something at the cops and was shot with a bean bag or he might have just got hit by a random teargas canister.

87 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:42:58pm

re: #85 BishopX

Oh lord. Outsourcing your fuckups.

88 erik_t  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:43:35pm

re: #68 makeitstop

And whether or not VFP is an 'awful group' or not, the man has earned his right to protest.

I'm thankful for the man's service; I am also thankful that, in this country, one does not need to individually earn the right to protest peacefully.

89 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:45:21pm

re: #85 BishopX

In other words the OPD brought in a whole bunch cops and sheriffs deputies from central CA, and is now claiming they don't know what kind of equipment they deployed. In other words they're admitting they had no control over the police response.

Interesting defense.

90 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:46:47pm

Here a link to the raw footage of the protest before he got hit. From T.V. Station KTVU.

91 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:46:56pm

Well, this is something I don't miss about the Bay Area, the non-stop parade of law enforcement failure.

92 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:47:15pm

re: #75 Obdicut

I think that the Tea Party stuff got astroturfed

and if they weren't astroturfed, where the hell are they?

i haven't seen any large tea party rallies in many moons

could it be that somebody realized that every time the tea party held a rally, its ratings as well as the ratings of the republican party went down?

93 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:48:10pm

re: #83 LudwigVanQuixote

I hope you didn't mistake my comment as being sarcastic.
I was just thinking of his wicked smile at the end of that commercial.
Good stuff that post. :)

94 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:49:16pm

That video is messed up. How much worse will the violence it get?

95 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:50:17pm

re: #92 engineer dog

and if they weren't astroturfed, where the hell are they?

i haven't seen any large tea party rallies in many moons

could it be that somebody realized that every time the tea party held a rally, its ratings as well as the ratings of the republican party went down?

I think they had a feeling of victory after 2008 midterm landslide. Now that government is nice and dysfunctional, just the way they like it, they have backed down some.

96 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:50:38pm

re: #93 OhNoZombies!

I hope you didn't mistake my comment as being sarcastic.
I was just thinking of his wicked smile at the end of that commercial.
Good stuff that post. :)

Thank you!

97 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:50:41pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

What were they arresting him for again?

Being poor in possession of a conscience.

98 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:54:44pm

someone please tell these Tea Party types hyping this garbage phony "creeping Shariah" that this is merely the Free Market at work.

I thought they were all about the "Free Market." It is up to hotel owners to decide who they want and who they do not want in their facilities.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:57:52pm

re: #98 rockeid

someone please tell these Tea Party types hyping this garbage phony "creeping Shariah" that this is merely the Free Market at work.

I thought they were all about the "Free Market." It is up to hotel owners to decide who they want and who they do not want in their facilities.

"Dad, you always taught me to stand up to authority."

"I didn't mean me!! I meant Nixon!!!"

100 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:59:53pm

re: #95 Conservative Moonbat

I think they had a feeling of victory after 2008 midterm landslide. Now that government is nice and dysfunctional, just the way they like it, they have backed down some.

the thing is, the tea party seems to have disappeared. while OWS demos continue to spread, the tea party, as far as i can make out, only exists now as the websites of the various tea parties, and as a polite way for journalists to way "wingnuts"

are they "working to take back america" or watching the game in their barcaloungers?

101 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:00:04pm

re: #90 Bubblehead II

Here a link to the raw footage of the protest before he got hit. From T.V. Station KTVU.

Ah, thanks for linking to that. It's hard to tell what brought him down. Protesters are throwing teargas back at the police and I think one of the cops is firing a paintball gun at the protesters. At least it's a complete video showing what was going on.

102 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:00:15pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Disorderly conduct is another common charge. Since we don't see how he was injured, it's hard to tell. He might have thrown something at the cops and was shot with a bean bag or he might have just got hit by a random teargas canister.

They plan on coming back every night...

Organizers of Occupy Oakland Vow Return This Evening

The leaders of Occupy Oakland have been active all day on Twitter, and are vowing to fight back against police who drove them away early Tuesday.

Protestors clashed with police in riot gear Tuesday night, several hours after their tent city at City Hall Plaza was dismantled by authorities. Now, the ralliers claim they will return again.

"Today we will hold a GA at 6pm in Oscar Grant Plaza. Meet at 14th & Broadway. Find your friends and stay safe," members of the group tweeted Wednesday afternoon.

"Everyone! Come to Oscar Grant Plaza tomorrow at 6pm for round three. and four. and five. and six. We will not be moved," the group previously posted on Twitter.

This cannot end good.

103 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:00:52pm

re: #98 rockeid

Creeping sharia is code for "the coloreds are taking over !"

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:03:18pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

It is a bit of a stretch, and as the narrator of the video says, there is no way of knowing what caused his injury in said video. But even if they were stretching for "we had to make an arrest" excuse/explanation, I'd still say that lobbing the tear gas grenade in like that was pretty fucked.

105 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:05:05pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

I think it was a flashbang, but I'm not sure.

106 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:07:16pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

It is a bit of a stretch, and as the narrator of the video says, there is no way of knowing what caused his injury in said video. But even if they were stretching for "we had to make an arrest" excuse/explanation, I'd still say that lobbing the tear gas grenade in like that was pretty fucked.

I see him fall down but I cant see anything hitting him.

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:09:44pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

You get a nut every time a "lefty" gets beaten or worse don't you?

108 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:10:46pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I was trying to find a time frame for when the incident happened as the OPD site makes no mention of this at all. Only that they dispersed the crowd. There is a media briefing going on now about the protest, but I haven't been able to find a feed for it (yet). Still looking

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:11:36pm

I am sure Pam and SPence will claim these hotels are part of the grand conspiracy of hotels to implement Shariah law.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:12:27pm

"Freedom of Speech" does not mean that "Any Venue You Want"

111 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:15:59pm

re: #110 Alouette

"Freedom of Speech" does not mean that "Any Venue You Want"

There'd be more public spaces to protest if City's hadn't sold most of themselves off.

112 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:16:27pm

Wasn't Oakland known at one time for gang violence?
I glanced at Wikipedia for demographics & crime stats. They've dropped because of police action.
Oakland...
Could this be the cause of their over-reaction?

113 sueNaustin  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:17:58pm

Is she grinding into his hip?

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:19:04pm

OT but I am proud to say I and some people got to tell Bob McDonnell pretty much up close and personal his abortion policy sucks. Gave him a good old peace sign too as the limo pulled away frm the CoC.

115 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:19:41pm

Another right wing favorite shows up to OWS.
Radical Bill Ayers Speaks to Occupy Chicago Protesters About Revolution & the Tea Party

116 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:19:46pm

Anti-OWS propaganda 24 hours a day I see. Boring.

Power came back on.

117 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:19:59pm

re: #113 sueNaustin

Is she grinding into his hip?

Yes. And he can feel her gun.
/I just threw up a little in my mouth.

118 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:21:06pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Have you gone all day without power?

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:21:11pm

re: #105 Obdicut

I think it was a flashbang, but I'm not sure.

I don't know enough about those kinds of things to say for sure, but looking at it again, it does not seem to be emitting quantities of gas like I would expect a tear gas canister might.

120 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:21:34pm

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121 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:21:46pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Anti-OWS propaganda 24 hours a day I see. Boring.

Power came back on.

Glad to hear about the power.

Agree about the propaganda.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:22:41pm

re: #111 wozzablog

I think she may have been speaking about the topic of the OP. Just a guess.

123 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:22:56pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Anti-OWS propaganda 24 hours a day I see. Boring.

Power came back on.

Well, we've gotta rip them down, lest they hurt the Dems chances!

///

124 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:23:46pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Radical Bill Ayers

i hear he legally changed his name from 'William Ayers' to 'Radical Bill Ayers'

125 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:23:57pm

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have you gone all day without power?

6 AM to 3:30 PM. Got pretty damn cold. Well, still kind of cold but a touch warmer. Wet snow on the trees.

126 Kronocide  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:24:19pm

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

That video is messed up. How much worse will the violence it get?

Keep in mind something that SFZ has mentioned: Oakland is still dealing with the Grant/Mehserle shooting and trial aftermath. This has to influence the OWS politics in Oakland to a great degree.

Add to that there are a high amount of hooligans and agitators with an axe to grind because of Grant/Mehserle, and Oakland doesn't seem to have a consistent or effective plan to manage the politics or crowds, and I'm worried about the potential for great harm.

127 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:24:37pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

I think she may have been speaking about the topic of the OP. Just a guess.

Ah.

128 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:24:46pm

Saw Occupy DC for the first time today. Didn't really check it out to talk to people but it was interesting to seeing it.

129 BishopX  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:25:05pm

re: #119 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't know enough about those kinds of things to say for sure, but looking at it again, it does not seem to be emitting quantities of gas like I would expect a tear gas canister might.

the NYtimes link I posted upthread has a comparison between a flash-bang demo and the grenade that went of in the crowd of people. It seemed roughly the same to me.

130 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:25:35pm

G'night folks.

Obscenely tired.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:26:05pm

re: #112 OhNoZombies!

Yeah. We got plenty of that going on in my neck of the woods too. And the cops don't fuck around. They also sometimes fuck up.

132 sueNaustin  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:27:03pm

I haven't read all the responses about Oakland, but the Democratic mayor was earlier served with a constituent petition for being too soft on crime. That might be a reason for the overreaction from the police.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:27:24pm

re: #85 BishopX

So last night after the whole teargas incident the OPD claimed that they had only used teargas to stop the protests. They denied using rubber bullets or flash-bangs, and claimed that any loud noises recorded were the result of the protestors throwing M-80s at the police. Today, after various media organizations started publishing video that seems to clearly show flash-bangs being used (see the NYTimes lede blog as an example), they are now claiming that if those things were used it wasn't by the OPD. From the bay citizen:

In other words the OPD brought in a whole bunch cops and sheriffs deputies from central CA, and is now claiming they don't know what kind of equipment they deployed.
In other words they're admitting they had no control over the police response.

Never ascribe pure evil when just simple, predictable human idiocy does the trick, yep

I totally believe this could happen. OPD makes some phone calls because they need manpower, out come the redneck cowboys with badges from a completely different cop culture, all testosteroned up, no oversight, no planning, because who cares?

134 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:27:36pm

If you advance the video frame by frame you can see the guy get thrown to the ground immediately as as a previous large flashbang detonates, moving backwards and away from the grenade. He's behind the girl in the orange shirt with the maroon hat and khaki shorts. He may have reacted to the flashbang itself, lost balance falling backward and hit his head on the pavement, after all they're intended to disorient. Considering how hard and fast he fell he may have had a seizure, or was simply hit hard by something simultaneous to that first detonation.

Throwing the second grenade into the group trying to help him is inexcusable.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:28:04pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Another right wing favorite shows up to OWS.
Radical Bill Ayers Speaks to Occupy Chicago Protesters About Revolution & the Tea Party

[Video]

hey, so in 2012, are you going to campaign for McCain/Palin

137 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:28:40pm

re: #111 wozzablog

There'd be more public spaces to protest if City's hadn't sold most of themselves off.

I was referring to Pam Geller, not OWS.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:29:32pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

If you advance the video frame by frame you can see the guy get thrown to the ground immediately as as a previous large flashbang detonates, moving backwards and away from the grenade. He's behind the girl in the orange shirt with the maroon hat and khaki shorts. He may have reacted to the flashbang itself, lost balance falling backward and hit his head on the pavement, after all they're intended to disorient. Considering how hard and fast he fell he may have had a seizure, or was simply hit hard by something simultaneous to that first detonation.

Throwing the second grenade into the group trying to help him is inexcusable.

congratulations to the police who handled this in the perfect way to incite more protests and more media attention

gg guys, you really fulfilled every stereotype

139 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:30:42pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Is this taking the protests too far? Occupy Wall Street-inspired artist hangs dummy of banker from telephone wire

Oh lord, now abusing dummies is considered "too far"? The effort to force the OWS to break down and shut up has gotten ridiculous.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:30:48pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Is this taking the protests too far? Occupy Wall Street-inspired artist hangs dummy of banker from telephone wire

Nope :)

If I had had the foreclosure fuckery that some people have had in this country, hanging a banker in effigy would be as natural to me as pouring myself a bowl of cereal in the morning

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:31:08pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

I don't know about "too far", but certainly in very poor taste. I'm not a fan of hanging/burning effigies myself.

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:31:18pm

re: #139 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh lord, now abusing dummies is considered "too far"? The effort to force the OWS to break down and shut up has gotten ridiculous.

won't someone think of the guys who destroyed the economy!

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:31:27pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

congratulations to the police who handled this in the perfect way to incite more protests and more media attention

gg guys, you really fulfilled every stereotype

But it's the protesters fault for simply being alive!

///

144 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:31:37pm

re: #139 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh lord, now abusing dummies is considered "too far"? The effort to force the OWS to break down and shut up has gotten ridiculous.

I think hanging a dummy is going too far. What is the message of hanging a dummy?

145 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:31:54pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I have relatives there, and in Compton. I had a hunch...

146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:32:07pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

hey, so in 2012, are you going to campaign for McCain/Palin

No, I might not vote again. It all seems pretty pointless. Even if Obama manages to stay in office nothing's going to get done. It's a pretty strong possibilty that the next Republican president is going to repeal healthcare reform if a Republican congress doesn't do it first. I'm not optimistic about the future of our country anymore.

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:32:39pm

re: #143 wlewisiii

But it's the protesters fault for simply being alive!

///

How dare they!

GET A JOB, HIPPIES

OH SHIT, IT'S ANSWER

OH SHIT IT'S CODE PINK


OH SHIT OH SHIT HIDE


WELP, THAT'S IT, MUH MINDZ MADE UP

148 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:33:35pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Is this taking the protests too far? Occupy Wall Street-inspired artist hangs dummy of banker from telephone wire

if anybody ever at long last goes to jail over what happened in 2008, dummies hanging in effigy will be the least of their problems

149 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:33:44pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Another right wing favorite shows up to OWS.
Radical Bill Ayers Speaks to Occupy Chicago Protesters About Revolution & the Tea Party

[Video]

You're seriously going to use Ayers appearance to attack OWS? The same Ayers that was used to attack Barack Obama and continues to this day? I searched "Bill Ayers Speaks to Occupy Chicago" and the first site to show up with this news is Big Government, followed by Liveleak (which harbors a ton of wingnuts and Paulians) and Family Security Matters (wingnuts site) and a couple of Teabagger sites. And here's the channel of the guy (aranger45) that's hosting the video you posted.

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:33:44pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I think hanging a dummy is going too far. What is the message of hanging a dummy?

Is it a message that the artist intends to follow through with? Or just one of expressing frustration and outrage?

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:34:18pm

re: #112 OhNoZombies!

Wasn't Oakland known at one time for gang violence?
I glanced at Wikipedia for demographics & crime stats. They've dropped because of police action.
Oakland...
Could this be the cause of their over-reaction?

Oakland is still known for gang violence, to be honest. But more than that, I'd say the cops' overreaction was probably influenced more by the kind of occasional rioting we've had over the past several years, especially following the Oscar Grant shooting, and several later events having to do with that case. (BTW, just to be clear, it was not OPD's shooting, that tragedy can be laid on the BART police.)

Oakland PD suffered big layoffs last year--in a city with an extremely high violent crime rate, officers were taken off the street to save money. Some of those cops were later brought back, but probably not enough. On the one hand, they're trying to create law and order in what can border on a war zone, on the other, people from out of town are attracted to things like this and the Mehserles sentencing riots--there are some anarchist-types who don't live in Oakland and see it basically as a place to go for something that's sort of between slumming and conflict tourism. (They never seem to show up in East Oakland though, that scares them.)

Oakland also just had a police chief stomp off after a conflict with the mayor; they are operating under an interim chief. Mayor Quan's opponents are now getting signatures for a recall against her--something that hasn't happened in Oakland for a whole nine years.

It's chaos. It's bedlam. And frankly, watching it all go boom last night, I was pissed at the cops, and I was pissed at the city, and I was also not so thrilled with the protesters.

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:34:36pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

No, I might not vote again. It all seems pretty pointless. Even if Obama manages to stay in office nothing's going to get done. It's a pretty strong possibilty that the next Republican president is going to repeal healthcare reform if a Republican congress doesn't do it first. I'm not optimistic about the future of our country anymore.

I agree with you about the lack of optimism, though you seem to be taking it out on the wrong people

hippies aren't going to ruin america ;-)

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:35:15pm

re: #149 Gus 802

You're seriously going to use Ayers appearance to attack OWS? The same Ayers that was used to attack Barack Obama and continues to this day? I searched "Bill Ayers Speaks to Occupy Chicago" and the first site to show up with this news is Big Government, followed by Liveleak (which harbors a ton of wingnuts and Paulians) and Family Security Matters (wingnuts site) and a couple of Teabagger sites. And here's the channel of the guy (aranger45) that's hosting the video you posted.

IT"S ALL MARXISTS! ALL THE WAY DOWWWWNNNN!!!!!

//

154 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:35:20pm

re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is it a message that the artist intends to follow through with? Or just one of expressing frustration and outrage?

I don't know. That's kind of the point. The only thing I know is that someone is sending a message about hanging people. That's not a good message.

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:35:44pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I think hanging a dummy is going too far. What is the message of hanging a dummy?

It's in poor taste, and rather insensitive considering...

Another reason why the Miami mannequin isn't ideal is that it comes on the 77th anniversary of an infamous lynching that took place in Marianna, Florida.

Though the 1934 lynching took place at the opposite end of the state, it was a major incident and nearly 3,000 spectators attending the mob killing of black man claude Neal, who at the time was accused of killing a white woman. The incident has been back in the news of late because of the anniversary and because Mr Neal's family is suing for $77million in reparations.

The artist may not have known about the date, but still.

156 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:35:52pm

re: #152 WindUpBird

I agree with you about the lack of optimism, though you seem to be taking it out on the wrong people

hippies aren't going to ruin america ;-)

No, they aren't going to accomplish anything of consequence for good or bad.

157 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:36:33pm

I'm hanging a shower curtain in effigy.
///sorry

158 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:36:34pm

re: #154 Obdicut

I don't know. That's kind of the point. The only thing I know is that someone is sending a message about hanging people. That's not a good message.

It's a rather common message in protests. I remember more than a few effigies of Bush being hung, burned, and so forth during the anti-war protests. Can't seem to remember there being any attempts on his life by anti-war folks though...

159 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:36:38pm

re: #153 wlewisiii

IT"S ALL MARXISTS! ALL THE WAY DOWWWNNN!!!

//

What's next? ACORN is supporting OWS!!11ty If form follows logic than yes.

160 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:37:04pm

re: #159 Gus 802

What's next? ACORN is supporting OWS!!11ty If form follows logic than yes.

Already been said.

161 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:37:07pm

re: #159 Gus 802

What's next? ACORN is supporting OWS!!11ty If form follows logic than yes.

Fox news is already on it.

162 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:37:21pm

re: #113 sueNaustin

Welcome, hatchling.

163 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:37:26pm

re: #158 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's a rather common message in protests. I remember more than a few effigies of Bush being hung, burned, and so forth during the anti-war protests. Can't seem to remember there being any attempts on his life by anti-war folks though...

I don't either. But I thought those were stupid as hell too.

Anyone hanging Obama in effigy, or a hippie in effigy, would likewise garner my belief that they were a dumbass.

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:37:33pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

No, they aren't going to accomplish anything of consequence for good or bad.

well, if they change the course of elections (and enough unrest organized by OWS can certainly do that) then by definition it is of consequence

whether the thusly elected officials change policy is a different question

165 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:38:30pm

re: #163 Obdicut

I don't either. But I thought those were stupid as hell too.

Anyone hanging Obama in effigy, or a hippie in effigy, would likewise garner my belief that they were a dumbass.

I don't disagree that it's a stupid thing to do, but "too far"?

166 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:38:55pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Even if Obama manages to stay in office nothing's going to get done.

He could keep efficiently killing terrorists.

It's a pretty strong possibilty that the next Republican president is going to repeal healthcare reform if a Republican congress doesn't do it first.

Yes, that's a good reason to throw up your hands in despair and resign yourself to Republican rule, because if empowered they're certain to make things worse.

167 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:39:27pm

re: #165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't disagree that it's a stupid thing to do, but "too far"?

Well, what do you think I mean by 'too far'? I'm not saying they should be arrested for it. I'm saying it's stupid and it hurts the side they're trying to support.

Just like the moronic Tea Party types showing up with weapons and "I came unarmed this time" shirts.

168 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:39:27pm

re: #164 WindUpBird

well, if they change the course of elections (and enough unrest organized by OWS can certainly do that) then by definition it is of consequence

whether the thusly elected officials change policy is a different question

The only election they may help is for Republicans. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:40:03pm

re: #132 sueNaustin

I haven't read all the responses about Oakland, but the Democratic mayor was earlier served with a constituent petition for being too soft on crime. That might be a reason for the overreaction from the police.

Quan's been fighting with the ex-police chief over a series of anti-gang injunctions and a proposal for a curfew. She doesn't like the idea, Batts was in favor. Oddly, she's now being threatened with a recall, and some of the city leaders who are bringing up her reluctance to go with the injunctions and the curfew now, formerly opposed those things themselves.

And the 'Democratic' mayor is a bit silly. The last Republican mayor of Oakland was Reading, who left office in 1977.

170 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:40:04pm

re: #152 WindUpBird

hippies aren't going to ruin america ;-)

Hippies are collecting social security, or just about too depending on their age. I don't think they're particularly interested in seeing that get ruined.

171 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:40:29pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Fox news is already on it.

Here's another one of his videos.

Ron Paul!

172 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:40:39pm

I can tell you, just among my friends, personally, who are liberal, but many are not political junkies who hang out on political blogs...

the OWS protests have gotten them a lot more riled up and talking politics, and certainly there's a lot about Oakland

just anecdotal evidence, but still!

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:41:00pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I think hanging a dummy is going too far. What is the message of hanging a dummy?

Correction. What would the message of hanging a dummy be if the Tea Party had done it?

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:41:11pm

re: #163 Obdicut

I don't either. But I thought those were stupid as hell too.

Anyone hanging Obama in effigy, or a hippie in effigy, would likewise garner my belief that they were a dumbass.

Yeah, but consistency is the hobgoblin of something, something, something...
///

175 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:42:31pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

The only election they may help is for Republicans. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.

OWS has nothing to do with Obama's election chances. A recent poll showed most Americans agreeing with OWS. Another is neutral. Other show an even split all across the board. What scientific or statistical method are you basing this on? Obama's chances were already in question when I posted the "generic Republican" poll and I basically was laughed at. OWS didn't cause Obama's problems.

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:43:16pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

The only election they may help is for Republicans. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.

yeah, see my 172, I think that's 100% wrong


you're a political junkie who frame-advances youtube videos, you're not really the target demographic of any movement or election

the people who are energized by OWS are just ordinary folks who are seeing protesters get shot in the face by Oakland cops, their reaction is exactly the opposite as yours, it's not discouraging them from politics or making them cynical, it's energizing them

177 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:43:30pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

The only election they may help is for Republicans. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.

LOL, cheer up Eeyore.

178 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:43:31pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

No, I might not vote again.

That'll teach 'em!

179 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:43:39pm

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

Correction. What would the message of hanging a dummy be if the Tea Party had done it?

It's be this:

[Link: insidecharmcity.com...]

Where he calls the guy a traitor. And looks like a total douchebag. Seriously, look at that smile. He thinks he's so clever. What a prick.

180 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:44:29pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

Cooking and posting...
All I can think of uh-oh.

181 recusancy  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:44:36pm
182 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:44:39pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

LOL, cheer up Eeyore.

I once got laid mainly on the basis of Eeyore being my favorite Winnie the Pooh character.

/ah, college

183 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:45:48pm

re: #167 Obdicut

Well, what do you think I mean by 'too far'? I'm not saying they should be arrested for it. I'm saying it's stupid and it hurts the side they're trying to support.

Just like the moronic Tea Party types showing up with weapons and "I came unarmed this time" shirts.

So effigies are out. Do tell, what else is "too far" for a protest. I need my scorecard to know when I should be outraged and when I shouldn't.

184 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:45:55pm

re: #172 WindUpBird

I can tell you, just among my friends, personally, who are liberal, but many are not political junkies who hang out on political blogs...

the OWS protests have gotten them a lot more riled up and talking politics, and certainly there's a lot about Oakland

just anecdotal evidence, but still!

But will they vote?

Young people are notorious for not voting, and it's really the only thing that counts, politically. Unless you have billions of dollars like a Koch.

185 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:45:59pm

re: #182 Obdicut

I once got laid mainly on the basis of Eeyore being my favorite Winnie the Pooh character.

/ah, college

Child Psych major?
///

186 sueNaustin  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:46:46pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

The only reason I mentioned she is a Democrat is because on another site I was on they were squawking "Can you believe she is a Democrat?" I just wanted to be clear I know she is a Democrat. I also made a point in my response that she is fighting against a "soft on crime" image with an overreaction.

187 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:47:19pm

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Child Psych major?
///

I'd have said pre-Vetertinary frosh.

188 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:47:28pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

But will they vote?

Young people are notorious for not voting, and it's really the only thing that counts, politically. Unless you have billions of dollars like a Koch.

Trying here. I'm gonna be working on GOTV next Tuesday after my classes are done.

189 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:47:38pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So effigies are out. Do tell, what else is "too far" for a protest. I need my scorecard to know when I should be outraged and when I shouldn't.

Be outraged at whatever you want to be outraged about. I'm only speaking for myself. Anything that's an implicit threat of violence is fucking stupid to me, because we're a civil society. It was, and is, one of my main complaints about the right-wing assholes at protests, how often violence was hinted at. I'm glad to see it's nowhere at all near as common at the Occupy stuff, but I still think anyone threatening violence, implicitly or explicitly, is a wanna be tough guy.

190 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:48:36pm

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Child Psych major?
///

Goth girl.

191 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:48:47pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Trying here. I'm gonna be working on GOTV next Tuesday after my classes are done.

You'll get updings on your next few comments because I can't triple upding that one.

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:48:50pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So effigies are out. Do tell, what else is "too far" for a protest. I need my scorecard to know when I should be outraged and when I shouldn't.

I think you can add...

- showing up with guns
- comparing anyone to hitler/nazis
- "We Came Unarmed. This Time." signs

193 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:49:47pm

re: #189 Obdicut

Be outraged at whatever you want to be outraged about. I'm only speaking for myself. Anything that's an implicit threat of violence is fucking stupid to me, because we're a civil society. It was, and is, one of my main complaints about the right-wing assholes at protests, how often violence was hinted at. I'm glad to see it's nowhere at all near as common at the Occupy stuff, but I still think anyone threatening violence, implicitly or explicitly, is a wanna be tough guy.

I've never viewed the mistreatment of effigies at protests as a "threat" so much as a target upon which the mob can focus their anger without putting real human lives at risk. I'd guess this is where you and I differ.

194 recusancy  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:49:54pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Trying here. I'm gonna be working on GOTV next Tuesday after my classes are done.

Thank you!

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:50:28pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So effigies are out. Do tell, what else is "too far" for a protest. I need my scorecard to know when I should be outraged and when I shouldn't.

Seriously, people were pretty pissed about "We came unarmed, this time."

Right here they were pissed.

Is it reasonable to switch so swiftly to, 'hanging people in effigy is a harmless gesture'?

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:51:35pm

re: #186 sueNaustin

The only reason I mentioned she is a Democrat is because on another site I was on they were squawking "Can you believe she is a Democrat?" I just wanted to be clear I know she is a Democrat. I also made a point in my response that she is fighting against a "soft on crime" image with an overreaction.

Ah, I get you. I can well believe that some folks are appalled that a Democrat (and a self-proclaimed progressive) had this happen on her watch.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:52:12pm

re: #189 Obdicut

Be outraged at whatever you want to be outraged about. I'm only speaking for myself. Anything that's an implicit threat of violence is fucking stupid to me, because we're a civil society. It was, and is, one of my main complaints about the right-wing assholes at protests, how often violence was hinted at. I'm glad to see it's nowhere at all near as common at the Occupy stuff, but I still think anyone threatening violence, implicitly or explicitly, is a wanna be tough guy.

Self-indulgent is what occurs to me.

198 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:52:48pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, people were pretty pissed about "We came unarmed, this time."

Right here they were pissed.

Is it reasonable to switch so swiftly to, 'hanging people in effigy is a harmless gesture'?

Hanging effigies (as opposed to hanging dummies as a decoration for Halloween) is a direct threat to the health of a real human being.

Frankly, it should only be done when you really intend to hang the human being the effigy represents, like a dictator.

199 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:53:07pm

The important thing to remember is that everything is hopeless because of hippies.

200 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:53:46pm

Here you go. From the ultimate wingnut website Big Government:

Barack Obama Led #OccupyChicago – Circa 1988 - Big Government

Just twenty or so years ago, Barack Obama wouldn’t just have supported the Occupy protests.

He would have organized them.

And blah, blah, blah.

See! OMG! OWS is going to ruin Obama's chances!

Basically when you say that you're empowering the wingnuts. Instead of fighting OWS you should be fighting these kinds of smears.

201 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:54:40pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Self-indulgent is what occurs to me.

There would be a spectrum, and at one end would be some number of nuts who are locked, loaded, and capable.

202 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:55:18pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

The important thing to remember is that everything is hopeless because of hippies.

Yeah. Those damn hippies. What with the feminist movement, civil right, Vietnam War, gay rights, abortion rights, the sexual revolution, rock music, art... If only things could be just like they were in the 50s.

203 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:57:28pm

Or this:

Frightening… THOUSANDS Of Obama-Endorsed “Occupy Chicago” Protesters CHEER the Communists (Video)

From that idiot Jim Hoft.

Why aren't you fighting this Killgore instead of being so concerned about OWS?

204 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:58:18pm

I dislike desecration of effigies so much I fund a radical pinata liberation group.

j/k

I do think they are a form of Missing The Point plus Insensitivity To Larger Signification. The former because it's mapping an issue onto a person, which typically amounts to oversimplification, scapegoating, and/or demonization. The latter, which bugs me far more, is that mob justice and public desecration of bodies are real things, and playing them out on a proxy evokes those acts even if the person who created the tableau hasn't considered the depth of what they're communicating.

205 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:58:54pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, people were pretty pissed about "We came unarmed, this time."

Right here they were pissed.

Is it reasonable to switch so swiftly to, 'hanging people in effigy is a harmless gesture'?

206 Kragar  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:59:19pm
207 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:59:24pm

re: #189 Obdicut

Sounds like "that guy" who always thinks he's more clever than everyone else.
AKA douch-bag hipster.

208 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 3:59:33pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

You'll get updings on your next few comments because I can't triple upding that one.

Ha thanks. I am gonna be a royal wreck at the end of Tuesday night since I get up really early for modern American literature but I've seen how important local politics is.

209 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:00:52pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Ha thanks. I am gonna be a royal wreck at the end of Tuesday night since I get up really early for modern American literature but I've seen how important local politics is.

What is the newest book in today's Modern American Lit?

210 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:00:53pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, people were pretty pissed about "We came unarmed, this time."

Right here they were pissed.

Is it reasonable to switch so swiftly to, 'hanging people in effigy is a harmless gesture'?

Well first, I wasn't here during the hey-days of the Tea Party movement, but yes, I was rather perturbed to see such shirts. And second, I can certainly see how some would draw a connection between the two, choosing to condemn both as being indicative of the entire movement. At least, that's how I interpreted the article cited, as some effort to condemn the movement for the actions of one "artist."

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:01:50pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Here you go. From the ultimate wingnut website Big Government:

Barack Obama Led #OccupyChicago – Circa 1988 - Big Government

And blah, blah, blah.

See! OMG! OWS is going to ruin Obama's chances!

Basically when you say that you're empowering the wingnuts. Instead of fighting OWS you should be fighting these kinds of smears.

I'm interested to see what happens with this, at least locally, but my allegience is not to OWS, and the mere fact that the wingnuts are attacking them doesn't make me think any more of them.

I'm not fighting with them, I'm not allied with them, I am, at most, interested in them.

212 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:02:15pm

Uh oh! I posted a "Commie" video! Didn't vet the video! I'm doomed! The internal emails will be flying now!

//

213 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:02:25pm

re: #193 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've never viewed the mistreatment of effigies at protests as a "threat" so much as a target upon which the mob can focus their anger without putting real human lives at risk. I'd guess this is where you and I differ.

I don't think the mob is in actual risk of hauling off and hanging a real banker if not presented with an effigy to focus their anger on, though.

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:02:33pm

re: #207 OhNoZombies!

Sounds like "that guy" who always thinks he's more clever than everyone else.
AKA douch-bag hipster.

And there you have it. Hippies aren't doing much of anything beyond helping with their grandkids and collecting social security. It's those gawt-damned hipsters that we have to watch out for.
/;)

215 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:03:01pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

What is the newest book in today's Modern American Lit?

We're going to be discussing Updike's Rabbit At Rest. Half way into that book. I enjoy Updike. Just finished Anne Tyler's Accidental Tourist. My term paper is on Richard Wright's Black Boy which is a topic of my choosing and perhaps one of my favorite autobios of all time.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:03:25pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Or this:

Frightening… THOUSANDS Of Obama-Endorsed “Occupy Chicago” Protesters CHEER the Communists (Video)

From that idiot Jim Hoft.

Why aren't you fighting this Killgore instead of being so concerned about OWS?

This is the same old. They only care about OWS because they see a chance to slam Obama some more.

217 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:04:25pm

re: #213 Obdicut

I don't think the mob is in actual risk of hauling off and hanging a real banker if not presented with an effigy to focus their anger on, though.

It creates a mood of permissibility. On the other hand it's awkward to march with a representation of a banker doing hard time.

218 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:05:24pm

re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth

:)
You have to watch em cause they'll annoy you to death !
//

219 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:07:06pm

I didn't even think about OWS all day. Until I logged back in that is. ;) Most people I know aren't even talking about it.

220 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:07:47pm
221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:07:50pm

re: #218 OhNoZombies!

:)
You have to watch em cause they'll annoy you to death !
//

I was doing that before it was cool. I also have this album that annoys people to death like crazy. It's from a small band in Scranton, you've probably never heard of them...
/

222 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:07:54pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I think hanging a dummy is going too far. What is the message of hanging a dummy?

Clear message: The mural reads 'Give a Wall St banker enough rope and he will hang himself' and was painted by artist Above over the course of a week

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

223 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:08:46pm

re: #219 Gus 802

I didn't even think about OWS all day. Until I logged back in that is. ;) Most people I know aren't even talking about it.

I've witnessed more whining and arguing over its merits/its flaws here than I have amongst my circle of friends since it began.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:09:58pm

re: #205 Gus 802

[Video]

Oh, you want an answer to that? Truth, justice and the American Way.

Part of the way I interpret that is that I try not to have a double standard about what I consider appropriate.

And I absolutely refuse to get into a situation where I don't speak freely about my problems and concerns about OWS, police response ot them, or any other damn thing, for fear of a series of posts with a lot of babble about hippies and how I want things to be like the 1950s coming my way.

I do not have to like everything, or even anything, about this movement to believe in economic justice. They are not the gatekeepers to that. I do not have like everything, or even anything about them to agree with them on some points and not others.

No one died and appointed them anything. They're a bunch of protesters. I've seen lots. I've been one myself. If I like what they do, I will applaud. If I don't, I'll say so.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:10:15pm

re: #206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: Iraq War Was A Waste Because Muslims Hate Freedom

It gives them hives.

226 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:10:59pm

re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've witnessed more whining and arguing over its merits/its flaws here than I have amongst my circle of friends since it began.

I'm cold and about to have a shot of Jim Beam.

227 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:11:34pm
228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:11:36pm

re: #213 Obdicut

I don't think the mob is in actual risk of hauling off and hanging a real banker if not presented with an effigy to focus their anger on, though.

They probably aren't. It still makes me go 'ick'.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:12:25pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

It creates a mood of permissibility. On the other hand it's awkward to march with a representation of a banker doing hard time.

Just put the effigy in a cardboard cell--I can see how it might work.

230 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:12:49pm

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

Lol !!!
I hate you now. :)

231 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:13:00pm

Hey. It's Oakland for Christ's sake.

232 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:13:04pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the same old. They only care about OWS because they see a chance to slam Obama some more.

What they don't get is that half of the OWS crowd are just as pissed at Obama as they are at the rest of the beltway establishment.

233 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:13:08pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Indeed. Hear, hear!

234 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:13:13pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Just put the effigy in a cardboard cell--I can see how it might work.

Maybe just an ankle bracelet?

235 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:14:03pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Just put the effigy in a cardboard cell--I can see how it might work.

Do you want to run from the cops carrying a cardboard cell?

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:14:31pm

re: #230 OhNoZombies!

Lol !!!
I hate you now. :)

Wait, what? Have I gone mainstream?
/friggin hipsters

237 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:14:48pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Just put the effigy in a cardboard cell--I can see how it might work.

Wearing stripes. Brooks Brothers stripes so you still know it's a banker.

/getting complicated again...

238 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:15:34pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Just put the effigy in a cardboard cell--I can see how it might work.

How about armies of effigies being slapped on the wrists.

239 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:16:00pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

But will they vote?

Young people are notorious for not voting, and it's really the only thing that counts, politically. Unless you have billions of dollars like a Koch.

The Radical left isn't a reliable voting block. It's not so much the OWS protesters but the scenes of social unrest, riots marches reinforces the image that Obama is failing. These rallies are a huge turn off to moderates and normal people just going about their lives.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:16:05pm

re: #232 Conservative Moonbat

What they don't get is that half of the OWS crowd are just as pissed at Obama as they are at the rest of the beltway establishment.

I don't think they care. They have just one mission. Destroy all liberals, especially Obama.

EXTERMINATE!!! EXTERMINATE!!!

Not very nuanced.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:16:43pm

re: #235 Decatur Deb

Do you want to run from the cops carrying a cardboard cell?

Why not? When they arrest you, you can point out that they don't need to take you to lockup, you brought it with you, thanks.

/

242 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:16:47pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

The Radical left isn't a reliable voting block. It's not so much the OWS protesters but the scenes of social unrest, riots marches reinforces the image that Obama is failing. These rallies are a huge turn off to moderates and normal people just going about their lives.

Moderates don't protest.

243 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:17:12pm

And "normal" people are more concerned about the Kardashians.

//

244 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:17:38pm

If I may, be in the strange position of attempting to calm both sides of this ongoing discussion about OWS.

I think everyone is missing the point in comparing the Tea Party to OWS.

1. All protests attract fringe elements and for both there can be a certain amount of forbearance for separating the movement from the ass hats. The question here is one of penetration. While there are, sadly some seriously disturbed and messed up moonbats at OWS - and there is some very sickening echos of anti-semitism with the same damn tired tropes of casting Jews as oppressors and bankers and at the heart of world financial conspiracies, I do not see any evidence - in the form of seas of signs saying such things or the OWS higher-ups being a part of it- as that being central to OWS. This crap is part and parcel of moonbattery, but it does not define the movement. OWS will, by its nature, attract its share of moonbats. On the other hand, the seas of racist signs at the TP coupled with the fact that the higher-ups themselves are extreme to say the least in their race baiting marks an extreme difference.

2. OWS does not have a command structure. It really is a very spontaneous and youth generated movement. Compare that to the very well funded and very well astroturfed Tea Party - that however incoherent was given credence by the corporate media, while OWS, whenever coherent, is painted as disjointed and silly by the same corporate media.

3. OWS has some real legitimate complaints. Wealth is dangerously pyramidal in America. The fat cats on top ruin people's lives and get away with it, while the average American slides deeper and deeper into debt. Student loans are not what they were twenty or even ten years ago, because the price of an education has nearly quintupled. Young people are starting out in ridiculous and unmanageable debt from the get go and the only other choice is no education at all. Housing markets were crashed by corrupt wall street fat cats, not by ordinary hard working Americans. Yet it is those ordinary Americans who foot the bill. Our justice system is corrupt and our system serves only a small fraction of Americans. This is fact. The fight is fixed and we are getting poorer and poorer while the rich get rich - at our expense. The tea-party on the other hand, serves those very corporate aristocrats, and they are too dumb to see it.

4. As to whimpering about calls to violence and being offended by burning things in effigy... well you know what? There are a lot of criminals who are protected by an unjust system at our expense and frankly, I do not flinch from the idea of them getting some justice. Does that make me all Robespierre? No. It puts me in the exact same vein that Thomas Paine was when he wrote about the need to take arms against a comparatively less crooked system than the one we have today.

So the bottom line is despite their terrible disorganized youth, incoherence and occasional fringe idiots, OWS is at least on the right side.

245 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:18:00pm

Globalizing Occupy Wall Street: From Chile to Israel, Protests Erupt
by Lois Beckett
ProPublica, Oct. 25, 2011, 12:27 p.m.

At first glance, the synchronized protests that took place in more than 900 cities around the globe on Oct. 15 seemed to indicate that Occupy Wall Street had achieved a kind of worldwide resonance.

But the truth is more complex. Many of the protests elsewhere grew out of movements that pre-date Occupy Wall Street and out of frustrations that, though similar in some ways, are also specific to their countries.

Here’s a look at the origins, demands and affects of five of these global protests, as well as the criticism they’ve faced.

Con-tinues.

246 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:18:20pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

Why not? When they arrest you, you can point out that they don't need to take you to lockup, you brought it with you, thanks.

/

"Charged with art. 309, Impersonating a Jail".

247 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:19:52pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

The Radical left isn't a reliable voting block. It's not so much the OWS protesters but the scenes of social unrest, riots marches reinforces the image that Obama is failing. These rallies are a huge turn off to moderates and normal people just going about their lives.

OWS is polling high among moderates and independents, actually.

248 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:19:59pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

The Radical left isn't a reliable voting block. It's not so much the OWS protesters but the scenes of social unrest, riots marches reinforces the image that Obama is failing. These rallies are a huge turn off to moderates and normal people just going about their lives.

OWS won't make moderates and normal people NOT vote. I just wonder if it might inspire young people TO vote.

I can't see anything making Obama look like a worse alternative than a Republican president.

I don't understand your position of maybe not voting again.

249 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:21:09pm

Americans Support 99 Percent Movement Causes, View GOP As Defenders Of The Rich
By Travis Waldron on Oct 26, 2011 at 10:25 am

A new report from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday added to the evidence that the income gap between the top American income earners and the middle- and lower-classes continues to grow, as the top one percent saw its average after-tax income grow by 275 percent between 1979 and 2007. During the same time period, it grew just 18 percent for the bottom 20 percent, resulting in a “substantially more unequal” distribution of wealth than there was three decades ago.

That feeds the core message of inequality that has driven the 99 Percent Movement protests, now in their second month in New York City and gaining steam in cities across the country. And while Republicans continue to either dismiss or pay lip service to the protests and the changes they seek, a new poll from the New York Times and CBS has found that Americans not only view the protests positively but also support a more equal distribution of wealth and higher taxes on top earners while opposing corporate tax breaks that have been protected by the GOP:

Almost half of the public thinks the sentiment at the root of the Occupy movement generally reflects the views of most Americans.

With nearly all Americans remaining fearful that the economy is stagnating or deteriorating further, two-thirds of the public said that wealth should be distributed more evenly in the country. Seven in 10 Americans think the policies of Congressional Republicans favor the rich. Two-thirds object to tax cuts for corporations and a similar number prefer increasing income taxes on millionaires.

Con-tinues.

250 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:23:17pm

That effigy is part of a larger piece of art. Could we at least agree to that?

I don't see anywhere where it is getting burned. The article sourced says right under the picture

Clear message: The mural reads 'Give a Wall St banker enough rope and he will hang himself' and was painted by artist Above over the course of a week

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

251 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:24:03pm

re: #250 Amory Blaine

That effigy is part of a larger piece of art. Could we at least agree to that?

I don't see anywhere where it is getting burned. The article sourced says right under the picture

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Then the artist wasted a lot of paint. Those people plan to be the last ones dead.

252 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:25:13pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

The Radical left isn't a reliable voting block. It's not so much the OWS protesters but the scenes of social unrest, riots marches reinforces the image that Obama is failing. These rallies are a huge turn off to moderates and normal people just going about their lives.

And what reason do you have to believe this?

253 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:25:28pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Hipsters !!.

254 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:25:46pm

re: #250 Amory Blaine

That effigy is part of a larger piece of art. Could we at least agree to that?

I don't see anywhere where it is getting burned. The article sourced says right under the picture

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Hanging but not burning is not an improvement. Except in carbon footprint terms.

255 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:26:30pm

re: #250 Amory Blaine

FYI I don't like effigies. They creep me out.

256 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:27:19pm

re: #255 Amory Blaine

FYI I don't like effigies. They creep me out.

Kinda like clowns and mimes?

257 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:27:21pm

I for am tired of policies that coddle the rich. They're little children who need to be protected at every turn. Funny how the Republican party will get elected bitching about government and then use the same government to coddle their rich firends and allies.

258 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:29:13pm

I can't answer for some crazy artist in Florida. Don't care.

259 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:29:49pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I for am tired of policies that coddle the rich. They're little children who need to be protected at every turn. Funny how the Republican party will get elected bitching about government and then use the same government to coddle their rich firends and allies.

The "Tea" is Tea Party originally was supposed to mean "Taxed Enough Already." Funny how that now only applies to the rich. Or perhaps the TPers honestly believe that when candidates promise them that "Fair Taxes" and "Flat Taxes" will mean a tax cut, they're not talking out of their asses.

260 Gus  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:30:11pm

Tomorrow some guy will kill 12 people and say "he was inspired by the Bible". And I won't take his word for that either.

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:31:06pm

re: #253 OhNoZombies!

If Superheroes Were Hipsters

Catch y'all laters.

262 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:31:52pm

The kids better come up with an endgame that doesn't involve mass hypothermia casualties.

263 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:33:26pm

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

Well said. As for your page about Cain, you might consider fixing the last tag - it should be "Americans For Prosperity", not "Americans for Progress". Progress is the absolute last thing the Kochs want, unless it only applies to their personal power and wealth.

264 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:37:11pm

re: #263 publicityStunted

Well said. As for your page about Cain, you might consider fixing the last tag - it should be "Americans For Prosperity", not "Americans for Progress". Progress is the absolute last thing the Kochs want, unless it only applies to their personal power and wealth.

Ohhh thank you for catching that! Fixed.

265 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:40:48pm

re: #256 Conservative Moonbat

Kinda like clowns and mimes?

Yep. And them big headed puppets.

266 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:41:22pm
267 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:44:28pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

Occupy Wall Street dressed this dog up like Chewbacca.

Never forget.

That is cute.

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:44:40pm

Speaking of clowns...

John Wayne Gacy! Innocent!

269 garhighway  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:45:20pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Disorderly conduct is another common charge. Since we don't see how he was injured, it's hard to tell. He might have thrown something at the cops and was shot with a bean bag or he might have just got hit by a random teargas canister.

When I used to practice law, the usual charge for getting your ass kicked by the cops was Resisting Arrest.

270 garhighway  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:46:51pm

re: #227 Conservative Moonbat

This should be entertaining: Orly Taitz Officially Files For U.S. Senate Run

Because if there is one thing the Senate needs, it's more lawyer/dentist/realtors.

271 garhighway  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:48:47pm

On the topic of the thread, I have to say: if it is a feature of Sharia Law that innkeepers shun assholes, then I am liking Sharia more than I would have thought.

272 blueraven  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:49:52pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

No, I might not vote again. It all seems pretty pointless. Even if Obama manages to stay in office nothing's going to get done. It's a pretty strong possibilty that the next Republican president is going to repeal healthcare reform if a Republican congress doesn't do it first. I'm not optimistic about the future of our country anymore.

Welcome to the 99%.

273 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:51:55pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of clowns...

John Wayne Gacy! Innocent!

Patrick Dati Says He Survived John Wayne Gacy Attack
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:54:08pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We need to un-execute him 1/33rd.

275 garhighway  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:55:02pm

re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We need to un-execute him 1/33rd.

Sounds messy.

276 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:55:06pm

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

277 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:56:31pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

The kids better come up with an endgame that doesn't involve mass hypothermia casualties.

Or perhaps, just perhaps, the older ones of us, who know a little more could be out there with them, adding support and a little guidance, helping to shape the movement.

Or perhaps the Democrats could directly try to do that as a party.

Or the unions...

But they are too scared, and we are all simply too lazy and fat to do it.

I think I need to go Occupy Washington a little myself.

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:56:52pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Sorry, man. Dammit.

279 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:57:32pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

I am so terribly sorry.

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:58:07pm

re: #271 garhighway

On the topic of the thread, I have to say: if it is a feature of Sharia Law that innkeepers shun assholes, then I am liking Sharia more than I would have thought.

There's no room at the inn?

Too NT.

281 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:58:18pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

My dad has prostate cancer that's slowly coming back after radiation treatment. I sympathize.

282 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:58:55pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

That blows, dude...been there, done that with my dad, just not in as short of a time.

283 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 4:59:34pm

re: #277 LudwigVanQuixote

OR perhaps, just perhaps the older ones of us who know a little more could be out there with them, adding support and a little guidance, helping to shape the movement.

Or perhaps the Democrats could directly try to do that as a party.

Or the unions...

But they are too scared, an we are all simply too lazy and fat to do it.

I think I need to go Occupy Washington a little myself.

Guess I could occupy Andalusia AL, but no one would notice. I was one of 10 people protesting the coming Iraq war in a candlelight vigil in a little shithole town. Had no effect, had to be done.

285 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:00:10pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Sorry to hear that, no one likes to lose a family member or close friend. Been there, done that and it sucks.

286 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:00:27pm

re: #277 LudwigVanQuixote

The unions were guiding the OWS march here in Milwaukee. It was very peaceful. Then again, people are riled up here. I mean moderate people are riled up here.

287 garhighway  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:00:38pm

re: #282 talon_262

That blows, dude...been there, done that with my dad, just not in as short of a time.

Been there both ways: one of my parents went fast, the other really slowly. It's bad either way.

288 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:00:39pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Very sorry to hear that.

289 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:02:16pm

re: #286 Amory Blaine

The unions were guiding the OWS march here in Milwaukee. It was very peaceful. Then again, people are riled up here. I mean moderate people are riled up here.

What are your thoughts on this? Are enough voters' memories really that bad? :/

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:02:26pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

I'm so sorry.

291 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:03:38pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Guess I could occupy Andalusia AL, but no one would notice. I was one of 10 people protesting the coming Iraq war in a candlelight vigil in a little shithole town. Had no effect, had to be done.

Good on you.

re: #286 Amory Blaine

The unions were guiding the OWS march here in Milwaukee. It was very peaceful. Then again, people are riled up here. I mean moderate people are riled up here.

Good on your town and the unions!

292 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:05:06pm

{{{Hoops}}}

293 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:06:37pm

re: #263 publicityStunted

Well said. As for your page about Cain, you might consider fixing the last tag - it should be "Americans For Prosperity", not "Americans for Progress". Progress is the absolute last thing the Kochs want, unless it only applies to their personal power and wealth.

And as for the Kochs, those are exactly the sort who deserve some justice... From a very conservative and old school Biblical law view, they would be under a death sentence for many of their many crimes already.

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:07:29pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

You are so fortunate to have been taken in by this obviously great, giving man. You honor his memory by being a good man, Hoops.

You'll remain in my thoughts and prayers while this progresses. Honestly? It's going to be terrible. There's no way I can soften it for you other than with the above sentence.

295 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:08:00pm

re: #291 LudwigVanQuixote

Good on you.

re: #286 Amory Blaine

Good on your town and the unions!

Our local Move.On coordinator was an Alabama highschool sophomore. Meeting her was about the most hopeful thing that happened that year.

296 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:12:15pm

re: #289 publicityStunted

When I was marching this winter I was saying I doubted the momentum would carry to November (I marched and staffed booths etc for various orgs. in my youth, I know how quick people forget). Though I think there still is a momentum, every piece of media consumed by the general population is generally against a recall. The republicans are very powerful here now. After voter ID and the new gerrymandering operations complete, if the dems don't turn something now, Wisconsin will be a red state for many years to come (excluding Milwaukee and Madison).

The republicans have hammered away at the Fox Valley communities for the last 20+ years and pretty much own it now. Fox Valley with the rural vote and Waukesha is strong.

297 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:12:31pm

This new LGF Pages Dashboard app is coming together -- Pages writers will really like this one. It's becoming more like a real blog system, with a back-end management system an' everythang.

Should be ready to launch in a day or two, maybe even tonight if I hold off on some of my feature ideas until the next release.

298 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:14:30pm

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank you lizards for your thoughts and prayers.. Thanks Veggie..
My Kids are taking this very hard...It hurts so bad to watch them in pain...
Nikki called me a minute ago on break..I can't stand to hear her cry from Napa while I'm in Oklahoma...She is close by Dad and will be his comfort in the coming days...All my kids will be there.. I'll be heading back soon for awhile..

299 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:14:58pm

re: #293 LudwigVanQuixote

And as for the Kochs, those are exactly the sort who deserve some justice... From a very conservative and old school Biblical law view, they would be under a death sentence for many of their many crimes already.

This picture makes me want to smash things. David Koch has perhaps the most despicably smug and arrogant expression I've ever seen. Likely very similar to what feudal lords must have had when exercising prima nocta.

300 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:15:24pm
301 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:17:08pm

re: #297 Charles

When I pull up a Profile in the Spy, the Recent Comments and Close buttons there have not received the beautification I see on all the other buttons.

However, they can wait until the Dashboard is done!

302 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:18:59pm

Well Lizards, time to start dinner. Spaghetti and Texas Toast. Only thing is, instead of using Italian Sausage, the Mrs. wants me to use ground Chicken tonight.

This should be interesting. I will be missing out on about 50% of the spices (used to cure the Pork) that make up the over all flavor of my usual dish. All in the name of lower cholesterol.

I hate my Doctor.

303 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:19:59pm

re: #297 Charles

Should be ready to launch in a day or two, maybe even tonight if I hold off on some of my feature ideas until the next release.

Sounds great :) If you're keeping a list of features-to-add, I've always thought it would be nice to see, at a glance, all the threads/pages to which one has subscribed.

304 garhighway  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:20:58pm

re: #303 publicityStunted

Sounds great :) If you're keeping a list of features-to-add, I've always thought it would be nice to see, at a glance, all the threads/pages to which one has subscribed.

And cold beer on tap.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:21:03pm

re: #302 Bubblehead II

Try veggie crumbles. They're awesome!

I'm just sayin'!

306 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:22:22pm

re: #299 publicityStunted

This picture makes me want to smash things. David Koch has perhaps the most despicably smug and arrogant expression I've ever seen. Likely very similar to what feudal lords must have had when exercising prima nocta.

Well said... That is where Herman Cain got that smug grin for his little advert.

307 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:23:26pm

re: #297 Charles

This new LGF Pages Dashboard app is coming together -- Pages writers will really like this one. It's becoming more like a real blog system, with a back-end management system an' everythang.

Should be ready to launch in a day or two, maybe even tonight if I hold off on some of my feature ideas until the next release.

I am looking forward to it - also the big and long promised hydro-fracture post is coming. This is something that I have been gathering references for, for over a month. I will likely have to break it all into three or four posts actually.

308 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:24:37pm

re: #299 publicityStunted

This picture makes me want to smash things. David Koch has perhaps the most despicably smug and arrogant expression I've ever seen. Likely very similar to what feudal lords must have had when exercising prima nocta.

Who is the woman?

309 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:26:27pm

re: #308 LudwigVanQuixote

Who is the woman?

Trophy wife.

310 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:28:29pm

re: #302 Bubblehead II

Well Lizards, time to start dinner. Spaghetti and Texas Toast. Only thing is, instead of using Italian Sausage, the Mrs. wants me to use ground Chicken tonight.

This should be interesting. I will be missing out on about 50% of the spices (used to cure the Pork) that make up the over all flavor of my usual dish. All in the name of lower cholesterol.

I hate my Doctor.

I buy Italian Turkey sausage at the commissary. It works pretty well in my spaghetti...Yum!

311 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:30:48pm

re: #307 LudwigVanQuixote

I am looking forward to it - also the big and long promised hydro-fracture post is coming. This is something that I have been gathering references for, for over a month. I will likely have to break it all into three or four posts actually.

I look forward to it.. Of Course I've been totally brainwashed by the ads from Big Oil every Sunday during Meet the Press.. So you better bring it Bro'...
*wink*

312 Stanghazi  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:32:23pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

Sniff. Hang in there Hoops. You're the man.

313 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:33:15pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

I look forward to it.. Of Course I've been totally brainwashed by the ads from Big Oil every Sunday during Meet the Press.. So you better bring it Bro'...
*wink*

Unfortunately, so much damage has already been done that there is an awful lot to bring.

314 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:33:32pm

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Try veggie crumbles. They're awesome!

I'm just sayin'!

Not familiar with them. Link?

315 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:43:04pm

re: #307 LudwigVanQuixote

I am looking forward to it - also the big and long promised hydro-fracture post is coming. This is something that I have been gathering references for, for over a month. I will likely have to break it all into three or four posts actually.

I so totally hate those Conoco Phillips commercials, where they lie their little fucking heads off.

316 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:44:41pm

re: #310 rwdflynavy

I buy Italian Turkey sausage at the commissary. It works pretty well in my spaghetti...Yum!

Not available here. Added a bit of Poultry seasoning, Dill and Celery Seed, Tarragon and Parsley Flakes to the Chicken

317 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:44:50pm

re: #315 Alouette

I so totally hate those Conoco Phillips commercials, where they lie their little fucking heads off.

You don't hate is as much as the people who have brain lesions, or have had their property destroyed, or their fields poisoned, or their houses blown up when methane saturated their basements.

318 bubbanelson  Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:57:30pm

re: #315 Alouette

Wow! so how do you really feel?

319 leftynyc  Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:16:51am

re: #276 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Lizards...Talking about the OWS movement has been pretty fun so far...I mean really..It's one of those protests where you could just as easily be right no matter what view point you espouse...50% of America supports the movement...No surprise there...

Update on my Dad..My Brother called and told me the Doctors say he has 6 months or less..Devastating news...

{{{HoosierHoops}}} - I'm so sorry about your dad. Mine was just diagnosed with pancreatic cancer that has gone into his liver. Starts chemo next week. I understand how heartbreaking it is.


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