A new version of Rundgren’s classic heartbreaker, with Daryl Hall trading lead vocals and a stellar band, live from Daryl’s house.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:27:24pm |
Darryl's voice was amazing, then the years of partying seemed to take their toll .... but at his height, he was tremendous.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:31:22pm |
In my opinion? The bridge in this song, is the most interesting bridge in pop music.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:31:52pm |
but he does sound good on this clip.
I worked with a tennis producer back in the day who was constantly mistaken for John Oates. he got laid a lot in the early to mid 1980s
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:35:22pm |
re: #4 _RememberTonyC
but he does sound good on this clip.
I worked with a tennis producer back in the day who was constantly mistaken for John Oates. he got laid a lot in the early to mid 1980s
Hope he's ok and happy in his mid life.
I saw a concert a couple of weeks ago, Chromio (don't ask me, my friend bought the tix) but the opening band, The Mayer Hawthorne band sounded EXACTLY like Hall & Oats.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:41:26pm |
Wow, Google Adsense is now showing me an ad for "Live from Daryl's House." Excellent targeting.
Dig Daryl, buyin' the keywords.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:41:50pm |
One other thing of note about Cain from Exposing Herman Cain: The Koch Candidate is that Cain was on the board of directors of Aquila Inc during the period where it illegally steered employees into heavily investing their retirement savings in company stock. In 2004, five lawsuits were filed in federal court alleging that Aquila’s board of directors (Cain was one of them!) had done this. The company settled the case for $10.5 million in April 2007
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:43:10pm |
Random ass question: What do you consider the parameters of "middle age"
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:43:54pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:46:06pm |
See, that's the kind of ad I might actually click on, if I weren't prohibited from doing so by the Adsense Terms of Service.
/
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:46:25pm |
re: #10 Stanley Sea
Random ass question: What do you consider the parameters of "middle age"
given that we tend to kick off in our 70s to 80s, but maintain most of our vigor into our fifties, I would say 30-55.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:47:10pm |
re: #10 Stanley Sea
Random ass question: What do you consider the parameters of "middle age"
Average Life Expectancy in the US is 78.7 years
Middle age is 39.35
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:47:16pm |
re: #10 Stanley Sea
Random ass question: What do you consider the parameters of "middle age"
The period between the first time you can't for the second time and the second time you can't for the first time.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:48:41pm |
re: #16 Decatur Deb
The period between the first time you can't for the second time and the second time you can't for the first time.
The point when someone offers you super sex and you ask what kind of soup they have.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:49:00pm |
When it starts to take all night to do the things you used to do all night?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:49:02pm |
re: #16 Decatur Deb
The period between the first time you can't for the second time and the second time you can't for the first time.
best answer!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:49:26pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:49:41pm |
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:49:57pm |
I am having some problems looking up my information. Is anyone else having problems?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:51:05pm |
re: #21 Stanley Sea
best answer!
(Rip off of an old joke: "What is the difference between concern and panic?")
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:53:44pm |
CNN contributor Nicolaus Mills has a dishonest paean to OWS:
Occupy Wall Street won't be pigeonholed
As Occupy Wall Street demonstrates its staying power, media increasingly portray it favorably. Because of its success, the movement is being asked to put forth a list of its demands. So far, members have said no. And well they should.
The refusal of Occupy Wall Street to tie itself down with an agenda that can be debated piecemeal is one of its great strengths. The decision allows Occupy Wall Street to remain a cri de coeur for all who believe they have lost ground over the last decade.
In choosing this strategy, Occupy Wall Street is doing more than defying expectations. It is linking itself with the best of 1960s America.
Fifty years ago in his 1961 Inaugural Address, President John F. Kennedy declared that the torch had been passed to a new generation of Americans. A year later, in its Port Huron Statement of 1962, the group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), took Kennedy's generational declaration a step further, insisting that the time had come for America to make a new commitment to social justice.
For SDS, an organization dominated by college and graduate students, participatory democracy was a version of Occupy Wall Street's horizontal democracy, and to look back at SDS's Port Huron Statement is to see why Occupy Wall Street activists should feel confident about the path they have chosen.
The Port Huron Statement was often maddeningly vague. But like Occupy Wall Street's chant, "We are the 99 percent," the Port Huron Statement left no doubt about the all-inclusive equality SDS sought. As Kirkpatrick Sale has written in his definitive history "SDS: The Rise and Development of the Students for a Democratic Society," the organization both captured and shaped the spirit of the new student mood.
SNIP
This next part is particularly bad:
The organization's faith in people, particularly those belonging to its college-age generation, was knowingly idealistic. At the core of the Port Huron Statement was SDS's unapologetic insistence: "We regard men as infinitely precious and possessed of unfilled capacities for reason, freedom, and love."
By the end of the 1960s, SDS was a spent force, but the values expressed in the Port Huron Statement had a life of their own. They were echoed in the civil rights movement as well as in the social programs of Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society, and they continued into the 1970s with the antiwar movement.
Not one thing in there about the SDS's rioting and lawlessness, nor its intolerance of those who disagreed with it. And certainly nothing about its collapse spawning the terrorist Weather Underground.
Dishonest "history lessons" anger me. Doesn't matter if its Bryan Fischer or Nicolaus Mills doing the lying, the dishonesty hurts political and social discourse hard, undermining trust and stoking paranoia. CNN shouldn't have run this bit of 1960's whitewash.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:54:15pm |
Well, apparently "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" means shipping them offshore:
House GOP Releases Plan To Cut Corporate Taxes, Make Offshoring Jobs Easier
Currently, U.S. corporations pay to the Treasury the difference between the tax rate of the country in which they earn money and the U.S. rate. (So money earned in a country where the rate is 25 percent would require a corporation to pay 10 percent — the difference between 35 percent and 25 percent — to the U.S.) However, corporations are allowed to defer paying their U.S. share of taxes until the bring the money back to the U.S., giving them every incentive to shift and keep money (and jobs) offshore.
Instead of fixing this problem, Camp’s plan to shift to a territorial system, as Citizens for Tax Justice explained, will make it even worse:
First, [under a territorial system] corporations would have a greater incentive to engage in profit-shifting, meaning practices used to disguise U.S. profits as foreign profits. A common example is the manipulation of transfer pricing to shift corporate profits into tax havens (countries that do not tax, or that barely tax, certain types of profits).
Second, corporations would have a greater incentive to shift actual operations — and jobs — to other countries.
Our current system already encourages these practices because U.S. corporations are allowed to “defer” their U.S. taxes on their offshore profits. But the incentives would be even greater under a territorial system, in which corporations would NEVER pay U.S. taxes on their offshore profits.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:57:22pm |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Our current system already encourages these practices because U.S. corporations are allowed to “defer” their U.S. taxes on their offshore profits. But the incentives would be even greater under a territorial system, in which corporations would NEVER pay U.S. taxes on their offshore profits.
Disgustingly unpatriotic.
The GOP is showing their true colors a little bit too much, I think. Their role as defenders of corporations and ultrawealthy is becoming more and more visible even to their supporters.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:57:50pm |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The answer to these type of questions can only be, as far as I can tell, be addressed by something no one wants: global governance.
Multinational corporations can maneuver in between nations' laws and avoid their social responsibility. This isn't something that can easily be fixed without many nations working together.
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:57:58pm |
When I hit reply nothing happens. I click on my icon and I get kicked out of the thread. What is going on?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:58:52pm |
re: #30 freetoken
The answer to these type of questions can only be, as far as I can tell, be addressed by something no one wants: global governance.
Multinational corporations can maneuver in between nations' laws and avoid their social responsibility. This isn't something that can easily be fixed without many nations working together.
I.W.W.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:59:08pm |
re: #29 Obdicut
Disgustingly unpatriotic.
The GOP is showing their true colors a little bit too much, I think. Their role as defenders of corporations and ultrawealthy is becoming more and more visible even to their supporters.
While at the same time calling for the poor and working class to pick up even more of the tab, whining that the poor "pay no taxes" and that's not "fair." And, to really rub salt in the wound, calling for the safety net both rely upon to be either significantly shrunk or totally wiped out, replaced by the "free market."
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:59:42pm |
re: #31 PhillyPretzel
When I hit reply nothing happens. I click on my icon and I get kicked out of the thread. What is going on?
Communism.
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garhighway Wed, Oct 26, 2011 5:59:46pm |
re: #27 Dark_Falcon
The SDS was intolerant of those who disagreed with it? Yeah, no doubt.
So are lots of others.
if the guy was writing a history essay about the SDS it would be woefully incomplete. He wasn't.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:00:16pm |
I think that the following school is worth looking at as a model for reducing our costs of education and increasing effectiveness:
A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute
The chief technology officer of eBay sends his children to a nine-classroom school here. So do employees of Silicon Valley giants like Google, Apple, Yahoo and Hewlett-Packard.
But the school’s chief teaching tools are anything but high-tech: pens and paper, knitting needles and, occasionally, mud. Not a computer to be found. No screens at all. They are not allowed in the classroom, and the school even frowns on their use at home.
Schools nationwide have rushed to supply their classrooms with computers, and many policy makers say it is foolish to do otherwise. But the contrarian point of view can be found at the epicenter of the tech economy, where some parents and educators have a message: computers and schools don’t mix.
This is the Waldorf School of the Peninsula, one of around 160 Waldorf schools in the country that subscribe to a teaching philosophy focused on physical activity and learning through creative, hands-on tasks. Those who endorse this approach say computers inhibit creative thinking, movement, human interaction and attention spans.
[...]
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:00:39pm |
re: #31 PhillyPretzel
When I hit reply nothing happens. I click on my icon and I get kicked out of the thread. What is going on?
Internet Explorer 8. Try clearing the browser cache and reloading.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:01:07pm |
re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Communism.
Look out, Communist! False alarm, it was just a plate.
//
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:01:24pm |
re: #30 freetoken
The answer to these type of questions can only be, as far as I can tell, be addressed by something no one wants: global governance.
Multinational corporations can maneuver in between nations' laws and avoid their social responsibility. This isn't something that can easily be fixed without many nations working together.
Then it doesn't get fixed. America has too many people who hate her to give that any sort of try. Moreover, the most likely result would be that each nation would try to stack the deck in its favor. So, sorry, but that is a no-go.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:01:39pm |
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jaunte Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:02:13pm |
TheDailyShow tweets:
@MittRomney firms up stance against gov unions, a central plank in his "Whatever You Guys Want" platform.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:02:57pm |
re: #38 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Look out, Communist! False alarm, it was just a plate.
//
"Citizen! Did you know communists have an organ behind their eyes that converts salt water into fresh water...or is that penguins?"
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:03:25pm |
re: #40 freetoken
International Workers of the World?
Yup. Organize the next third-world workforce to which the global corps plan to flee.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:04:29pm |
re: #36 freetoken
Yeah, but Waldorf schools are backed by a bullcrap hoopy mystical philosophy, "Anthroposophy".
My wife taught at one. As with most schools, it depends on the teachers at the individual school. They've got the benefit of idealism and the advantage of being able to select their students.
Computers aren't different than anything else. You can use them well or badly.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:05:32pm |
Daryl Hall does a lot of work with Rundgren...is he as big a freak as Todd is? (My wife loves Rundgren, by the way, so we listen to the freak often.)re: #41 jaunte
TheDailyShow tweets:
If Mitt Romney had his wish, he would be given the nomination and all political discourse would be suspended until 12 weeks before the General election...and then he'd still flip-flop himself into a corner.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:05:49pm |
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garhighway Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:05:57pm |
re: #43 Decatur Deb
Yup. Organize the next third-world workforce to which the global corps plan to flee.
I've often wondered why we can't pass a law that says we'll impose a tariff on imported goods equal to what it would take for the manufacturer to comply with our environmental and labor laws in the country of manufacture.
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:06:17pm |
I click on my icon and I still get kicked out of the thread.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:07:07pm |
re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Citizen! Did you know communists have an organ behind their eyes that converts salt water into fresh water...or is that penguins?"
"Do you know what 'proletariat' means? If so, congratulations; that makes you well-read and erudite...for a communist."
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:07:16pm |
re: #35 garhighway
The SDS was intolerant of those who disagreed with it? Yeah, no doubt.
So are lots of others.
if the guy was writing a history essay about the SDS it would be woefully incomplete. He wasn't.
True, but I found his piece to have omitted so much as to render it dishonest. He also fails to realize how such a piece will be received by those like me, who do not think the SDS was a force for good and instead view it as having been a organization of dangerous radicals. Praising OWS as the SDS's successor may win praise from the left, but it will also anger conservatives and alarm those moderates who know history.
Mills could have written a much better piece, if it had been more honest. But his lies-by-omission render his article a whitewash.
BBL
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:08:41pm |
I have other things to do. I will come back later. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:08:48pm |
re: #36 freetoken
I think that the following school is worth looking at as a model for reducing our costs of education and increasing effectiveness:
Waldorf? Eeehhhh...I like the concept of Waldorf, but in terms of effectiveness past the very early grades, I don't know. I've taught kids coming from Waldorf schools. Some of them just take a couple of weeks to realize that yes, the homework is due, and I really meant you to study this material, not something else.
Others take longer. Or don't adapt.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:08:51pm |
re: #44 Obdicut
Heh, notice that I didn't say that Waldorf should be selected as the company to implement it!
Rather, the idea that it takes beaucoup bucks to educate children is something from which we must escape. Likewise, the counter-instructive nature of computers is grossly under appreciated.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:09:19pm |
re: #27 Dark_Falcon
CNN contributor Nicolaus Mills has a dishonest paean to OWS:
Not one thing in there about the SDS's rioting and lawlessness, nor its intolerance of those who disagreed with it. And certainly nothing about its collapse spawning the terrorist Weather Underground.
I am very dissapointed in your post DF. The SDS and the Weather Underground were the smallest fraction of the various protest movements. It is simply a dishonest look at history to dredge them up in this way.
Dishonest "history lessons" anger me. Doesn't matter if its Bryan Fischer or Nicolaus Mills doing the lying, the dishonesty hurts political and social discourse hard, undermining trust and stoking paranoia.
I agree. So don't so it. In the course of your demand to equate the many and disparate protest movements with SDS and Weather Underground, you tarnish the civil rights movement, the protest against Vietnam (which incidentally was a bad war that we should not have gotten into) the anti-nuclear weapons movement, the green movement and the consumer protection movement.
Are you really going to argue that Vietnam was a good idea or that civil rights was bad, or that we need more nuclear weapons or that dumping toxic waste is a good thing or that corporations should be able to get away with anything?
CNN shouldn't have run this bit of 1960's whitewash.
I know you have been taking a lot of heat here lately for your GOP views. But please, you make yourself a serious target with outbursts like this.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:10:23pm |
How do I hate thee, Internet Explorer 8?
Let me count the ways.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:10:44pm |
re: #27 Dark_Falcon
It seems a lot of wishful thinking. It's a bit early to start touting the "staying power" of a movement that's only 4 weeks old. Unlike the civil rights movement there's nothing any government can give OWS (within reason) that will satisfy them. Income inequity is a serious problem that didn't happen over night, it will take decades to reverse. The recycled 60's nostalgia is apparent in the movement but the 60's will never be relived and weren't quite the utopia most folks ascribe to it. The Tea Party lasted years and had a serious detrimental effect on politics in our country. I doubt OWS will elevate itself to either of those lofty goals. There will be drum circles, chanting, marches and some riots but not much else.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:10:56pm |
re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Do you know what 'proletariat' means? If so, congratulations; that makes you well-read and erudite...for a communist."
"Cursed electric heating filament! You are inadequate to my needs!"
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:11:38pm |
"Nightmare Before Christmas" on the TV. Happy Halloween, lizards!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:11:48pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Rather, the idea that it takes beaucoup bucks to educate children is something from which we must escape. Likewise, the counter-instructive nature of computers is grossly under appreciated.
I think most people are aware that money alone isn't going to do anything, though obviously money is important.
I constantly hear about how relying on computers is going to fuck up education, so I don't know how under-appreciated it is. I'm not sure why you think computers have a nature, either. Can you explain what you mean?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:12:04pm |
re: #46 freetoken
I think it hasn't worked very well before.
The world wasn't ready for it then.
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:12:53pm |
re: #56 Charles
How do I hate thee, Internet Explorer 8?
Let me count the ways.
...we might be here awhile.
/
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:14:54pm |
re: #10 Stanley Sea
Random ass question: What do you consider the parameters of "middle age"
50+ Years Male/female. Currently.
/ x1/2 If the Repubs get back in power, 35 if you are Male and lucky. For the Ladies, depends on how many kids you have to have and whatever Medical procedures you are allowed/can afford.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:15:30pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Heh, notice that I didn't say that Waldorf should be selected as the company to implement it!
Rather, the idea that it takes beaucoup bucks to educate children is something from which we must escape. Likewise, the counter-instructive nature of computers is grossly under appreciated.
Don Bosco said that all you need to teach is a tree and a Bible. But his students never had to take the CAHSEE.
I can see not needing computers, but:
1. The kids will need to learn computer skills at some point, in some way, and teaching them young and making it interesting and applicable to their schoolwork is not too bad.
2. If you don't have computers, you still need SOMETHING. I've TAUGHT at schools where the kids don't have computers. We also didn't have enough board markers. And I don't think we were that amazing otherwise. There are lots of schools that have few or no student computers out there, still, and I'm not sure they're really benefiting so much by it.
3. I agree that Waldorf should not be ones to implement it--but also, they're operating a whole system of which not being computer dependent is only one small part, and nothing they're doing can really be imitated by a public-school system.
4. Computers are one of the few things you can usually coax some big company into giving your school a grant for.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:15:44pm |
I got the new architectural specs for my greenhouse today. With proper motivation I'll schlepp down to the permit office and try again in the morning. I'm really not looking forward to it. It's a very painful process.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:17:05pm |
re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Cursed electric heating filament! You are inadequate to my needs!"
"Mugs, Mugs, Mugs. Mugs, Mugs. Mug-a-mug. Mug-a-mug. Mugs! God, why can't I stop singing this fucking song?!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:17:25pm |
re: #57 Killgore Trout
About to get real cold in a bunch of places. That ain't gonna help.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:17:43pm |
re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist
We've got a Don Bosco Center in KC. They do great work, especially with the immigrant/new citizens community.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:18:17pm |
re: #63 Bubblehead II
50+ Years Male/female. Currently.
/ x1/2 If the Repubs get back in power, 35 if you are Male and lucky. For the Ladies, depends on how many kids you have to have and whatever Medical procedures you are allowed/can afford.
Heh, roomie said the same thing, it depends on the botox. Utter bullshit I say. My birthday is approaching...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:18:34pm |
re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
About to get real cold in a bunch of places. That ain't gonna help.
I'm pretty sure I won't be able to start construction until december. It's gonna suck
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:20:01pm |
re: #68 prairiefire
I would like some more Botox. I used it for a year about 3 years ago. The kids couldn't tell when I was mad at them.
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:21:07pm |
re: #45 darthstar
Daryl Hall does a lot of work with Rundgren...is he as big a freak as Todd is? (My wife loves Rundgren, by the way, so we listen to the freak often.)
I don't think he is. Hall is able to balance his art with earning a good living. Rundgren utterly lacks self-discipline. This was not an issue when he was young and could "wing it" consistently. Now that he is over 60, he sometimes appears to be drunk and/or embarrassingly unprepared on stage. The "recital" at Indiana University which Todd TOTALLY botched (and Charles linked here) last year is a classic example. The result is that his home in Hawaii is in danger of foreclosure and he won't be leaving his 3 kids a pot to piss in after 40+ years in show business. I say this as a lifelong fan who is traveling to another state to see the man play with the re-formed Utopia next month.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:22:42pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
I'm not sure why you think computers have a nature, either. Can you explain what you mean?
In this I think Waldorf has a point: computers by their nature (at least how we have implemented them - who knows how they work on Planet X) require or lead to many bad practices.
From a physical pov only:
1) sitting in a position usually with arms in positions that end in poor posture;
2) holding the human head in a very tight alignment with little movement for extended periods of time;
3) forcing the eyes to focus on roughly 18 inches away for an extended period of time;
4) replaces the manipulation of objects with fingers, except for the repetitive motions of using a QWERTY keyboard (or whatever HMI objects.)
And so on.
And then we have the problems that are non-physical but are probably more stunting - there are the commonly expressed concerns about the lack of practice writing, but I think even more serious is the eliminating the requirement to force mathematical operations be done in a person's head, given how dependent we are on computing devices to do simple arithmetic for us. This includes the use of calculators, btw, which if I were teaching a physics course would not allow on a test.
Finally, there is a creeping phenomenon that is akin to religious fundamentalism, I think. Fundamentalists are often literalists - because they learn to read greatly from religious literature, they think words have supernatural ability or absolute values. There is a parallel that may be happening, I fear, with kids these days and finding things "online". Either they end up believe everything they come across without critical evaluation, or just as bad, end up doubting everything and enter some abyss of post-modernism where nothing is true or false but just an opinion.
Call me a curmudgeon if you like, but when I look around at the society in which I am embedded I don't like some of the things I see, and one of them is how we're losing basic skills.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:26:14pm |
re: #72 prairiefire
Fer real? If I had extra $ laying, I mean laying, around I'd go for it. Pain be gone for beauty.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:27:27pm |
re: #74 freetoken
1) sitting in a position usually with arms in positions that end in poor posture;
2) holding the human head in a very tight alignment with little movement for extended periods of time;
3) forcing the eyes to focus on roughly 18 inches away for an extended period of time;
4) replaces the manipulation of objects with fingers, except for the repetitive motions of using a QWERTY keyboard (or whatever HMI objects.)
And so on.
All of which are also true for reading books.
And then we have the problems that are non-physical but are probably more stunting - there are the commonly expressed concerns about the lack of practice writing, but I think even more serious is the eliminating the requirement to force mathematical operations be done in a person's head, given how dependent we are on computing devices to do simple arithmetic for us. This includes the use of calculators, btw, which if I were teaching a physics course would not allow on a test.
You shouldn't teach people to do equations in their head. You should teach them to write it out.
There is a parallel that may be happening, I fear, with kids these days and finding things "online". Either they end up believe everything they come across without critical evaluation, or just as bad, end up doubting everything and enter some abyss of post-modernism where nothing is true or false but just an opinion.
Do you have any reason for believing this? How is this different from kids believing what they read in their encyclopedias or textbooks?
Call me a curmudgeon if you like, but when I look around at the society in which I am embedded I don't like some of the things I see, and one of them is how we're losing basic skills.
I just don't see that much support for your opinions. Most of what you're complaining about isn't unique to computers.
It seems to me you've identified a lot of real problems but for some reason decided they only exist with computers.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:29:09pm |
re: #73 bratwurst
Was out of town, went to a bar and struck up a conversation with a guy who randomly (within three minutes) brought up that he was a huge Todd fan. Had seen him hundreds of times. The guy was pretty crazy, actually.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:29:43pm |
re: #74 freetoken
"Call me a curmudgeon if you like, but when I look around at the society in which I am embedded I don't like some of the things I see, and one of them is how we're losing basic skills."
Yep, Like the basic ability to calculate change and be able to count it back to the Customer. See it almost every day.
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jaunte Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:31:05pm |
Something fantastic from the Cassini mission:
[Link: photoblog.msnbc.msn.com...]
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:34:23pm |
re: #74 freetoken
You might find this study interesting.
[Link: www.thefreelibrary.com...]
It is not at all what you'd expect.
As presented in Table 3, the model that reflects the reasons for which the students use the computer was significant ([F.sub.5,1819550]=21.54, p=0.00) and it explained 19.3% of the variance of mathematics literacy. The results from this model show that in the USA, the use of the computer for electronic communication was associated with higher mathematics literacy scores. The other significant independent variable was that of using the computer for programming. As with many other countries in the PISA study, an increase in the frequency of use of the computer for programming was associated with a decrease in the student's mathematics literacy scores.
Exactly the opposite of what you'd expect.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:35:58pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Then it doesn't get fixed. America has too many people who hate her to give that any sort of try. Moreover, the most likely result would be that each nation would try to stack the deck in its favor. So, sorry, but that is a no-go.
I look forward to working alongside you at Ares Macrotechnology DF!
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:38:34pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
Fer real? If I had extra $ laying, I mean laying, around I'd go for it. Pain be gone for beauty.
It does not hurt that much at all if the doc uses a bit of novocaine before. I have a furrow in the middle of my brow and it was gone. I went four times, a bit over a year and spent some jack, but it honestly works. I'm not an actress, I don't need my brow furrow to emote!
The effects seemed to last about 16 months after not getting any more. Now I'm 50 and my furrow is back. Oh well, I don't have the extra cash at the moment. It was about $450 a session.
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:39:50pm |
re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was out of town, went to a bar and struck up a conversation with a guy who randomly (within three minutes) brought up that he was a huge Todd fan. Had seen him hundreds of times. The guy was pretty crazy, actually.
I have "only" seen him about 25 times myself. Next month might very well be the last time. I have so far not been a paying customer at one of his embarrassing gigs, but I fear I will be pressing my luck if I keep showing up and enabling his self-destructive behavior.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:40:28pm |
re: #80 Obdicut
Will look at it, but I know where I'd dig into it to see what they really mean and to question their study: (1) what exactly is "mathematics literacy" versus (mental) quantitative ability, and (2) correlation doesn't imply cause, and even then it may not be clear as to what is the cause and what is the effect.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:42:34pm |
re: #79 jaunte
I'm glad that there are people who know how to look at that and not just say, "How cool is that?!?!"
That's pretty much all I can do.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:44:28pm |
re: #27 Dark_Falcon
Some nobody at CNN writes a sloppy article, and you see that as an indictment of the entire OWS movement? That's illogical, talk about sloppy reasoning.
The WU was never more than a tiny island of violent radicals amidst a sea of nonviolent protesters. Your fixation on it blinds you to the fact that the 60s was the greatest decade in terms of civil rights advances--for blacks, women, other minorities, even the beginning of the gay rights movement.
We lost Vietnam, get over it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:45:49pm |
Foxnews.com is trumpeting polls showing Cain over Romney, cnn.com is showing that the four first states show Romney in the lead.
Trying to figure out the motivations behind both sites, because I absolutely believe these are deliberate choices.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:50:05pm |
So I spend 2 weeks getting ready for a big tournament this weekend and then find out the Halloween Festival the kids have been dying to go to is the same day.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:50:26pm |
re: #74 freetoken
In this I think Waldorf has a point: computers by their nature (at least how we have implemented them - who knows how they work on Planet X) require or lead to many bad practices.
From a physical pov only:
1) sitting in a position usually with arms in positions that end in poor posture;
2) holding the human head in a very tight alignment with little movement for extended periods of time;
3) forcing the eyes to focus on roughly 18 inches away for an extended period of time;
4) replaces the manipulation of objects with fingers, except for the repetitive motions of using a QWERTY keyboard (or whatever HMI objects.)
And so on.And then we have the problems that are non-physical but are probably more stunting - there are the commonly expressed concerns about the lack of practice writing, but I think even more serious is the eliminating the requirement to force mathematical operations be done in a person's head, given how dependent we are on computing devices to do simple arithmetic for us. This includes the use of calculators, btw, which if I were teaching a physics course would not allow on a test.
Finally, there is a creeping phenomenon that is akin to religious fundamentalism, I think. Fundamentalists are often literalists - because they learn to read greatly from religious literature, they think words have supernatural ability or absolute values. There is a parallel that may be happening, I fear, with kids these days and finding things "online". Either they end up believe everything they come across without critical evaluation, or just as bad, end up doubting everything and enter some abyss of post-modernism where nothing is true or false but just an opinion.
Call me a curmudgeon if you like, but when I look around at the society in which I am embedded I don't like some of the things I see, and one of them is how we're losing basic skills.
Nothing says they need to--or should--be at the computer all day. But they do need to learn.
They also need to be able to learn to assess information online, and that can be taught in a variety of ways. The best lesson I ever heard of on this was a seventh-grade teacher who had her kids create an account on Wikipedia, and alter the article on octopuses to say they had seven arms.
Kids got it: you can lie on the Internet, everyone can lie on the Internet.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:50:30pm |
re: #87 EmmmieG
Foxnews.com is trumpeting polls showing Cain over Romney, cnn.com is showing that the four first states show Romney in the lead.
Trying to figure out the motivations behind both sites, because I absolutely believe these are deliberate choices.
The Fox audience is FAR right, so probably not in love with Romney like they are with Perry and Cain. But Cain has no organization to speak of in the early primary states, and his avant-garde low budget ads leave a lot to be desired. He's not a serious candidate--too much of a loose cannon, not much impressive substance.
CNN, on the other hand, is just bland middle of the road, and they love the whole horse race aspect of the campaign. It's the simplest thing to talk about, so they're all over it.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:51:07pm |
re: #84 freetoken
Well, feel free. But this is my field, and the results are not as pat as you'd think. Computers help with socialization where many think they hinder. They can be a great help to literacy, as well.
And home computer ownership correlates with better educational outcomes in most studies, even when controlled for other variables-- though it is really, really hard to control for all other variables, so that may be explainable through extrinsics. At the least, there is no highly negative outcome.
[Link: docs.google.com...]
I personally can be much more productive with my computer as it is now than I could have back when I was in high school.
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Renaissance_Man Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:51:33pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So I spend 2 weeks getting ready for a big tournament this weekend and then find out the Halloween Festival the kids have been dying to go to is the same day.
The clear solution is to dress them as Gretchin and tell them that all the other kids there are dressed as something even scarier - big fat sweaty wargamers.
'Yeah, they're pretty realistic costumes, aren't they?'
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:51:46pm |
re: #78 Bubblehead II
"Call me a curmudgeon if you like, but when I look around at the society in which I am embedded I don't like some of the things I see, and one of them is how we're losing basic skills."
Yep, Like the basic ability to calculate change and be able to count it back to the Customer. See it almost every day.
I very much agree that basic skills are being lost--but I wouldn't chalk it up to computers. It's separate of that. Possibly related in some ways, but just not having computers fixes nothing.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:51:46pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So I spend 2 weeks getting ready for a big tournament this weekend and then find out the Halloween Festival the kids have been dying to go to is the same day.
Looks like the kids are going to the tournament!
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:52:00pm |
re: #87 EmmmieG
Foxnews.com is trumpeting polls showing Cain over Romney, cnn.com is showing that the four first states show Romney in the lead.
Trying to figure out the motivations behind both sites, because I absolutely believe these are deliberate choices.
Fox is showing the general polls, which you have to remember continue showing "Gene Eric Republican" as holding a lead nationally over Obama. CNN's dealing with the polls in the states, where Cain has absolutely no campaign presence whatsoever. Nationally, Cain may be winning over hearts and minds, but on the campaign trail he's doing exactly two things: Jack and Shit.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:52:03pm |
re: #86 palomino
Some nobody at CNN writes a sloppy article, and you see that as an indictment of the entire OWS movement? That's illogical, talk about sloppy reasoning.
The WU was never more than a tiny island of violent radicals amidst a sea of nonviolent protesters. Your fixation on it blinds you to the fact that the 60s was the greatest decade in terms of civil rights advances--for blacks, women, other minorities, even the beginning of the gay rights movement.
We lost Vietnam, get over it.
Also see Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem
The USA lost Vietnam well before Linebaker.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:52:56pm |
re: #94 Obdicut
Looks like the kids are going to the tournament!
Nah, I already have resigned myself to missing this one.
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Iwouldprefernotto Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:54:00pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
True, but I found his piece to have omitted so much as to render it dishonest. He also fails to realize how such a piece will be received by those like me, who do not think the SDS was a force for good and instead view it as having been a organization of dangerous radicals. Praising OWS as the SDS's successor may win praise from the left, but it will also anger conservatives and alarm those moderates who know history.
Mills could have written a much better piece, if it had been more honest. But his lies-by-omission render his article a whitewash.
BBL
The most dishonest people in the 60s were the generals/politicians who sent more than 50,000 soldiers to their deaths in a stupid war. Compared to this, the SDS were saints.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:54:29pm |
re: #96 Gus 802
Also see Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem
The USA lost Vietnam well before Linebaker.
Total screwup, though not quite as repugnant as our assassination of Salvador Allende.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:56:05pm |
re: #98 Iwouldprefernotto
The most dishonest people in the 60s were the generals/politicians who sent more than 50,000 soldiers to their deaths in a stupid war. Compared to this the SDS were saints.
I just hope this remark doesn't elicit some sort of defense of neanderthals like Curtis LeMay and Gen. Buck Turgidson.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 6:57:17pm |
re: #100 palomino
I was a bartender at a bar that had a lot of Vietnam vets as customers. They were generally very peaceable guys. one time an interview with McNamara came on and they started screaming and throwing stuff at the TV.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:00:55pm |
re: #99 palomino
Total screwup, though not quite as repugnant as our assassination of Salvador Allende.
I thought they recently determined that he committed suicide? Chile did however request that the Obama administration hand over the Pinochet files. As far as I know that was never done. It could be argued if it was a suicide that the USA still played a role in his death even if it was not an outright assassination.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:01:22pm |
re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Fox is showing the general polls, which you have to remember continue showing "Gene Eric Republican" as holding a lead nationally over Obama. CNN's dealing with the polls in the states, where Cain has absolutely no campaign presence whatsoever. Nationally, Cain may be winning over hearts and minds, but on the campaign trail he's doing exactly two things: Jack and Shit.
And Jack left town...
/groovy
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:02:11pm |
Ok, I don't know who did the post about Waldorf school, because I didn't finish it. I sent my oldest son to one for preschool, so all I read was mud, stick, and school in the same sentence and I knew exactly what it was.
OMG, I hated it, and hey, it wouldn't be me if I didn't have a story...
So anyway, after a long day of playing in the mud, singing weird songs, and baking bread, I asked the teacher, who by the way, I think was dropping acid while the kids napped, if my son were to enter public school, would he be on par with his peers. She said oh no, don't even start the alphabet until the first grade...
Im sure she said something else, but I stopped listening.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:03:14pm |
re: #101 Obdicut
I was a bartender at a bar that had a lot of Vietnam vets as customers. They were generally very peaceable guys. one time an interview with McNamara came on and they started screaming and throwing stuff at the TV.
McNamara finally admitted his mistakes 35 years later in Errol Morris' great documentary "Fog of War." (McNamara may have written an autobio around the same time, don't remember.) The reception by much of the public (especially the vets you speak of) was "Fuck off, Mac. You're apology is a lifetime too late."
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:05:39pm |
I'm freezing. Total suckage.
Anyway. Here's the Pinochet files.
Pinochet met with ███ where they discussed ███ regarding a previous meeting with ███. Prior to that it was determined after Operation ███ which was intended to ███ ...
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:07:01pm |
re: #106 Gus 802
I'm freezing. Total suckage.
Anyway. Here's the Pinochet files.
Pinochet met with ███ where they discussed ███ regarding a previous meeting with ███. Prior to that it was determined after Operation ███ which was intended to ███ ...
//
Oh, are we playing madlibs? Okay, here's my guesses:
Name: Steven Tyler
Noun: Cucumbers
Name: Richard Feynman
Noun: Skittles
Verb: Liberate penguins
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:08:23pm |
re: #104 OhNoZombies!
I think they have nice dolls. That's about it. I might have considered them for a preschool, maybe. But I would have decided against it.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:08:24pm |
re: #107 EmmmieG
Oh, are we playing madlibs? Okay, here's my guesses:
Name: Steven Tyler
Noun: Cucumbers
Name: Richard Feynman
Noun: Skittles
Verb: Liberate penguins
Thanks. I know I have the secret police watching over me. Keep this between ourselves.
Cryptographic message to follow on frequency 839.392 @ 1200 UTC.
//
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:08:48pm |
[Link: imgur.com...]
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:09:50pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
I thought they recently determined that he committed suicide? Chile did however request that the Obama administration hand over the Pinochet files. As far as I know that was never done. It could be argued if it was a suicide that the USA still played a role in his death even if it was not an outright assassination.
There's definitely confusion over this, but the most recent medical reports, following an autopsy of his exhumed body earlier this year, suggest suicide was not the cause of death.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:11:58pm |
re: #104 OhNoZombies!
Sounds... like... uh... Hippies.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:12:42pm |
re: #108 prairiefire
Oh, my son loved the wooden cars etc., but I sent him there for socialization since there were no small children in my neighborhood for him to play with. Problem was that the other kids had that home schooled kid vibe. There was something off about playing with chunks of wool for me.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:12:58pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:13:15pm |
re: #98 Iwouldprefernotto
The most dishonest people in the 60s were the generals/politicians who sent more than 50,000 soldiers to their deaths in a stupid war. Compared to this, the SDS were saints.
there is no problem that can't be blamed on hippie students
America!
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:13:38pm |
re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes,{{shivers}}, yes they were...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:13:49pm |
re: #113 OhNoZombies!
Oh, my son loved the wooden cars etc., but I sent him there for socialization since there were no small children in my neighborhood for him to play with. Problem was that the other kids had that home schooled kid vibe. There was something off about playing with chunks of wool for me.
???
I obviously know a lot of homeschooled kids. Legos are all the rage.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:13:55pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
Ah yes. The "better than thou" Reddit mentality.
better at what? Disseminating child porn? :D
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:14:55pm |
re: #119 WindUpBird
better at what? Disseminating child porn? :D
You mean anonymous? No, I mean the usual internet know it alls that think they're better than everybody.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:15:38pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:15:55pm |
re: #118 EmmmieG
???
I obviously know a lot of homeschooled kids. Legos are all the rage.
Lego rules *_*
leaning how gearing changes torque, when you're a little kid, by building a gearbox from a Expert Builder (later Technics) Lego set = win
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:16:25pm |
re: #120 Gus 802
You mean anonymous? No, I mean the usual internet know it alls that think they're better than everybody.
oh well of course :D
I was referencing the Anderson Cooper thing about Reddit, don't mind me ^_^
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:16:40pm |
re: #122 WindUpBird
Lego rules *_*
leaning how gearing changes torque, when you're a little kid, by building a gearbox from a Expert Builder (later Technics) Lego set = win
K'nex has a whole series on simple machines.
I insist they at least build one simple machines before they go back to building guns.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:18:33pm |
Let me clarify, home schooled kids who's parents wanted to live in the little house on the prairie or a compound.
They would never let the kids play with anything as commercial as legos. I mean they actually played with chunks of wool.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:18:57pm |
re: #123 WindUpBird
oh well of course :D
I was referencing the Anderson Cooper thing about Reddit, don't mind me ^_^
That's cool. I'm freezing here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:19:34pm |
re: #126 OhNoZombies!
Let me clarify, home schooled kids who's parents wanted to live in the little house on the prairie or a compound.
They would never let the kids play with anything as commercial as legos. I mean they actually played with chunks of wool.
gross
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jaunte Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:19:48pm |
Donald Segretti lives.
Conservative filmmaker Evan Coyne Maloney was spotted at Occupy Wall Street allegedly passing out bongs and Che Guevara rolling papers to demonstrators.
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:19:52pm |
re: #126 OhNoZombies!
Let me clarify, home schooled kids who's parents wanted to live in the little house on the prairie or a compound.
They would never let the kids play with anything as commercial as legos. I mean they actually played with chunks of wool.
That's weird. The most back-to-basics of my friends either have a lot of outdoor land. (Go climb a tree or something) or simple wooden blocks.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:19:53pm |
re: #126 OhNoZombies!
Let me clarify, home schooled kids who's parents wanted to live in the little house on the prairie or a compound.
They would never let the kids play with anything as commercial as legos. I mean they actually played with chunks of wool.
I'm pretty sure Mr. Potato Head was intended for kids to play with an actual potato.
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recusancy Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:20:49pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
[Link: imgur.com...]
You could have posted this one from reddit "Scott Olsen, two-tour veteran of the Iraq war, who was hit in the head by a tear-gas canister, has a fractured skull, brain swelling and is in critical condition" but you chose the one that mocks people. Very telling.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:21:01pm |
re: #132 OhNoZombies!
It was a strange place.
seems like actively stunting your children at this day and age to keep them isolated from technology
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:21:12pm |
re: #118 EmmmieG
EmmieG, there is a certain stereotype of home schooled kids that you have disabused me of from knowing you. However, occasionally at our public library, I will observe some home school kids that I think come across as "quirky", at best.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:21:20pm |
re: #131 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure Mr. Potato Head was intended for kids to play with an actual potato.
I think I read that somewhere. You bought the pieces, and provided the potato yourself.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:22:14pm |
re: #135 prairiefire
EmmieG, there is a certain stereotype of home schooled kids that you have disabused me of from knowing you. However, occasionally at our public library, I will observe some home school kids that I think come across as "quirky", at best.
One of my pet peeves is the bed head at 1 pm. Have a little pride, people.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:22:32pm |
re: #133 recusancy
Well, I thought it was funny. Possibly because I have terrible handwriting so anything I ever wrote on and held up to the camera would look like a ransom demand.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:22:56pm |
re: #133 recusancy
You could have posted this one from reddit "Scott Olsen, two-tour veteran of the Iraq war, who was hit in the head by a tear-gas canister, has a fractured skull, brain swelling and is in critical condition" but you chose the one that mocks people. Very telling.
Yeah. Did you notice how that other said he was "overemployed"? Probably some wingnut. Or one of them "moderates" that don't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:23:49pm |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
I very much agree that basic skills are being lost--but I wouldn't chalk it up to computers. It's separate of that. Possibly related in some ways, but just not having computers fixes nothing.
Fine, basically (Imho) they are not being taught it in School. Why? Because there are machines that can do it faster and better than they can with less chance of mistakes.
Why teach a kid how to do long form mathematics when (s)he can get a Calculator to do the same thing for under $20.00 and insures the answer is correct (assuming they hit the right buttons).
And with that I must call it a night. 0400 come earlier each day it seems.
May the Deity of Your choice smile down upon you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:24:17pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:25:25pm |
re: #141 Bubblehead II
Fine, basically (Imho) they are not being taught it in School. Why? Because there are machines that can do it faster and better than they can with less chance of mistakes.
Why teach a kid how to do long form mathematics when (s)he can get a Calculator to do the same thing for under $20.00 and insures the answer is correct (assuming they hit the right buttons).
And with that I must call it a night. 0400 come earlier each day it seems.
May the Deity of Your choice smile down upon you.
I have told this story before here:
I was checking The Princess back into high school at the attendance office. The kid writing out the slip for her to get back in wrote down all the information, then looked at the clock.
And looked at it.
And looked at it.
Finally, I just said, "It's 11:28."
"Thanks," he said, and wrote them time in.
Some skills still need to be taught.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:25:35pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
[Link: imgur.com...]
Funny, but posting a pic of oneself with a piece of paper and actually doing something (writing a congressman, etc.) aren't mutually exclusive.
And what prompted this was Erick Erickson's angry little rant against the 47% of Americans who don't pay fed. income taxes. And his bs article that included the great Archie Bunker line, "Get a job, hippies." Erickson--stuck in a previous generation, pretty much the embodiment of a reactionary (unless the competition is Pat Buchanan.) Erick with scribbled manifesto
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nutz4Tuna Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:25:46pm |
Charles, have you ever attended one of Levon Helm's Midnight Rambles?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:26:32pm |
re: #144 palomino
Oh really? I didn't realize that butthurt was the root of those pieces of paper. I just thought it was all the rage with the kids.
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jaunte Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:26:39pm |
The Economist:
"Occupy Wall Street" gets a boost from a new report on income distribution
...Whatever the cause, the data are powerful because they tend to support two prejudices. First, that a system that works well for the very richest has delivered returns on labour that are disappointing for everyone else. Second, that the people at the top have made out like bandits over the past few decades, and that now everyone else must pick up the bill.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:27:35pm |
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:29:18pm |
Freezing outside. Just saw a raccoon. Came sauntering up the sidewalk like Groucho Marx.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:29:20pm |
re: #146 Obdicut
Oh really? I didn't realize that butthurt was the root of those pieces of paper. I just thought it was all the rage with the kids.
I'm afraid butthurt will be at the root of a lot over the next year. This campaign is not gonna be pretty, will probably make 2008 look civil by comparison.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:30:07pm |
re: #148 OhNoZombies!
My parents were considering Home-School for my in 6th Grade.
Thankfully, they didn't do it. I would have been worse off.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:30:16pm |
re: #76 Obdicut
re: #57 Killgore Trout
All of which are also true for reading books.
I do not especially like the idea of making children sit for extended period reading a book, either. First, laying down (on a solid surface) is better for a person, and secondly (and this comes from someone who read quite a bit as a child) forcing children to read while sitting does indeed reinforce bad habits. Humans need physical activity to be healthy and I fear that our society has now raised multiple generations of people who have lost some tangible physical ability. Now, you might counter that we're living longer than ever, but (1) the increase in life spans in this country isn't increasing so quickly anymore, and (2) many, many recent studies have shown the importance of physical activity in being healthier, mentally, as one grows old.
You shouldn't teach people to do equations in their head. You should teach them to write it out.
?? Even if I agree with this, "write it out" implies paper, not a computer, will do just as fine. And maybe better, given the awkward type layout capabilities of software.
There is a parallel that may be happening, I fear, with kids these days and finding things "online". Either they end up believe everything they come across without critical evaluation, or just as bad, end up doubting everything and enter some abyss of post-modernism where nothing is true or false but just an opinion.
Do you have any reason for believing this? How is this different from kids believing what they read in their encyclopedias or textbooks?
The analogy I am playing with here is that the item at hand (words in the case of fundamentalist literalists, and computers/tech in the case of modern society) becomes magic. What I'm wondering is if our society has/is developing a kind of "faith" the object of which is technology/computers/telecommunications, where the end result is a form of passivity and cornucorpianism.
I just don't see that much support for your opinions. Most of what you're complaining about isn't unique to computers.
I guess my thinking is simply this: computers, and especially some specifics such as educating the young, are accentuating certain traits that are deleterious for the individual and possibly society as a whole. It is not that these are new issues - certainly television has brought about some bad effects which are being carried over to the computerized life.
I use a computer extensively and can use one as a tool to accomplish more quickly and for many objectives with a better end product than what I could do without a computer.
However, my development as a child, the characterological foundation of "me", was (among many, many things) influenced by the exploration of the real (physical) world, and learning from those who have gone before me by what they have left (their written work or objects they have made.)
So when I notice so many young people around me, who are but a third my age, who seem unable to do, or can't perform nearly as quickly as I, the simplest of skills that require quantitative ability or operate/decipher/repair a physical object - I wonder if I was born so special, or rather, if they have been cheated out of developing foundational skills in their childhood.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:31:06pm |
TV watching actually helps with reading comprehension. Video game playing actually helps with problem solving and interpersonal skills. In a room with three kids, one playing the video game, the other two will help with tips from past experience, cheer leading, and further group problem solving skills.
Take that, 1955!
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:31:08pm |
re: #144 palomino
Funny, but posting a pic of oneself with a piece of paper and actually doing something (writing a congressman, etc.) aren't mutually exclusive.
And what prompted this was Erick Erickson's angry little rant against the 47% of Americans who don't pay fed. income taxes. And his bs article that included the great Archie Bunker line, "Get a job, hippies." Erickson--stuck in a previous generation, pretty much the embodiment of a reactionary (unless the competition is Pat Buchanan.) Erick with scribbled manifesto
Heck. These guys might as well just scribble "I am an asshole" for their manifestos.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:31:19pm |
A message from my friend Neil (who lives in Oakland) to the Oakland Police:
I hope that the vet who got clonked in the head pulls through.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:31:41pm |
re: #148 OhNoZombies!
Yes, the home schooled kids in my neighborhood seem a bit Asperger-ish.
re: #134 WindUpBird
That was my biggest issue. They discouraged computer use at home as well.
I don't let my kids watch a lot of tv anyway, but the kids weren't exposed to any popular media at all.
My career was literally born out of using computers for art from an early age, so I may be biased :D
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:31:58pm |
re: #155 Obdicut
A message from my friend Neil (who lives in Oakland) to the Oakland Police:
[Video]I hope that the vet who got clonked in the head pulls through.
I hated to see that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:32:04pm |
re: #151 ProLifeLiberal
Thankfully, they didn't do it. I would have been worse off.
If I had tried to home-school my children, I hope that CPS would've stepped in.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:32:10pm |
re: #147 jaunte
The Economist:
"Occupy Wall Street" gets a boost from a new report on income distribution
Lies!
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:32:17pm |
re: #151 ProLifeLiberal
My parents were considering Home-School for my in 6th Grade.
Thankfully, they didn't do it. I would have been worse off.
I am against homeschooling kids with autism. I think they need the specialists.
Now, ADD, that's nearly endemic. Lots of parents choose to homeschool over medication.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:34:23pm |
re: #152 freetoken
?? Even if I agree with this, "write it out" implies paper, not a computer, will do just as fine. And maybe better, given the awkward type layout capabilities of software.
Yes. Paper is best. My point was that the assumption that you should teach kids to do stuff in their head is a very wrong one. Teaching kids to do stuff in their head is good for a party trick, not good at all for actual mathematical learning. Harder isn't always better.
I guess my thinking is simply this: computers, and especially some specifics such as educating the young, are accentuating certain traits that are deleterious for the individual and possibly society as a whole.
So is anything else you pick at random.
So when I notice so many young people around me, who are but a third my age, who seem unable to do, or can't perform nearly as quickly as I, the simplest of skills that require quantitative ability or operate/decipher/repair a physical object - I wonder if I was born so special, or rather, if they have been cheated out of developing foundational skills in their childhood.
Well, console yourself that you're observing anecdotes, I guess, and don't extrapolate from them.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:34:46pm |
re: #133 recusancy
You could have posted this one from reddit "Scott Olsen, two-tour veteran of the Iraq war, who was hit in the head by a tear-gas canister, has a fractured skull, brain swelling and is in critical condition" but you chose the one that mocks people. Very telling.
Yes, I mock your pantaloons. It's what I do.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:34:54pm |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I had tried to home-school my children, I hope that CPS would've stepped in.
I can sing you a tune or sell you a used car, but I can't do math.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:35:31pm |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I had tried to home-school my children, I hope that CPS would've stepped in.
They would have become idiot-savants in the realm of baking, though.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:36:06pm |
I just had a root canal and the novocaine is starting to wear off. So I just have one more thing to say: everybody GO TO HELL.
/////////////////////////////////////////
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:36:58pm |
re: #165 palomino
I just had a root canal and the novocaine is starting to wear off. So I just have one more thing to say: everybody GO TO HELL.
///
TCTP: Too cranky to post. Been there myself.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:37:00pm |
re: #165 palomino
I just had a root canal and the novocaine is starting to wear off. So I just have one more thing to say: everybody GO TO HELL.
///
I'm freezing.
Welcome to the nuthouse.
//
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:37:20pm |
re: #165 palomino
I just had a root canal and the novocaine is starting to wear off. So I just have one more thing to say: everybody GO TO HELL.
///
*deadpan* Wow, I've never felt so loved.
///
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:37:24pm |
re: #164 Obdicut
I said I "like" cake, not "bake" cake.
Although my son has a great line. His dopehead friends like to "wake and bake"; he says he likes to "wake and cake".
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:37:35pm |
OWWWWWWW! This hurts like hell...Advil my ass...talk to you good folks tomorrow. Have great night and take care of your teeth so no root canals.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:39:21pm |
re: #165 palomino
Ugh. I had a root canal once, the only pain I had was the TMJ disorder. Holding my mouth so far open for so long... tears streaming.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:39:27pm |
re: #165 palomino
I just had a root canal and the novocaine is starting to wear off. So I just have one more thing to say: everybody GO TO HELL.
///
That's the spirit!
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darthstar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:39:38pm |
Omaha...somewhere in middle America...
Listening to the Counting Crows watching my wife cook dinner...life is good.
Peace, everyone.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:40:52pm |
re: #173 darthstar
Omaha?! Omaha Beef Company. I ate there once.
Was hard to find something on the menu.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:40:57pm |
As far as I can make out, Occupy Oakland is quiet tonite. Any bodies has any news?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:41:14pm |
On the immigration issue:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement must turn over an internal memo that could reveal the agency's legal justification for mandating the so-called Secure Communities deportation program, a federal judge ruled.
In addition to those 14,000 pages, the plaintiffs sought a "critical document referred to as the 'October 2 Memorandum,'" which "contains legal analysis and ... was written by the Office of the Principal Legal Advisor of ICE and addressed to Beth Gibson, the Assistant Deputy Director of ICE," the order states.
Scheindlin ordered the memo's release on Monday night. To "adopt a legal position while shielding from public view the analysis that yielded that position is offensive to FOIA," the 38-page ruling states, citing the 2nd Circuit's holding.
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palomino Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:41:24pm |
re: #172 Killgore Trout
That's the spirit!
Speaking of spirits, I think I'll have some bourbon as an adjunct to that worthless Advil.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:42:39pm |
re: #160 EmmmieG
I'm ADHD as is my oldest son. All I can say is we both would have ended up hyper-focussed on a video game...
re: #152 freetoken
Extremes on either end of the spectrum causes problems, but I believe that your child should learn the 3 R's the old fashioned way initially. At an early age, computers can be used as a supplement since modern life requires computer literacy as well. There should be a balance.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:43:36pm |
re: #170 palomino
OWWW! This hurts like hell...Advil my ass...talk to you good folks tomorrow. Have great night and take care of your teeth so no root canals.
feel better
i have had the tooth problems. tooth hurting hurts more than other kinds of hurting because teeth live in your head
| 180 |
darthstar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:43:36pm |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Omaha?! Omaha Beef Company. I ate there once.
Was hard to find something on the menu.
Cows aren't vegetarians either...they eat placenta.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:44:23pm |
re: #180 darthstar
Good you're still here! Wait a sec before you go away.
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alpuz Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:46:44pm |
From a local news website regarding the OWS incident in Oakland:
[Link: www.weau.com...]
I read about it here first. I'd like to thank you guys for all the useful links and info
I get from reading these threads daily. It helps while going up against some of the locals who post on the above linked forums.
| 183 |
Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:47:03pm |
Killgore, Gus, the past months have been rough on both of you so I just wanted to say, sincerely:
| 184 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:47:06pm |
re: #180 darthstar
I asked the bartender what she recommends for a vegetarian.
She said, "I recommend that a vegetarian goes back outside and READS THE BUILDING!"
I said, "That was pretty quick. How long have you been waiting to say that?"
She said, "You have no idea. You made me very happy tonight."
I had chips and spinach dip. But they had to hold the bacon from it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:47:27pm |
re: #180 darthstar
Cows aren't vegetarians either...they eat placenta.
Did I need to know this? I do not think I needed to know this. I could have lived a long time without knowing this.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:48:10pm |
re: #177 palomino
Speaking of spirits, I think I'll have some bourbon as an adjunct to that worthless Advil.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:48:49pm |
re: #185 EmmmieG
Did I need to know this? I do not think I needed to know this. I could have lived a long time without knowing this.
Many animals eat the placenta. Hippies bury it under a tree.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:48:59pm |
re: #183 Obdicut
We were talking about celeb meetings this morning. I also met him once. He was a spokesperson for a company that competed with mine.
I said, "Hey, Paunch!" (He had a bit of a gut)
I don't think he appreciated it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:49:22pm |
re: #187 prairiefire
Many animals eat the placenta. Hippies bury it under a tree.
I donated one of mine to the Red Cross.
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:49:39pm |
re: #183 Obdicut
Killgore, Gus, the past months have been rough on both of you so I just wanted to say, sincerely:
Muchas gracias.
| 192 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:50:02pm |
re: #190 EmmmieG
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:50:25pm |
re: #189 OhNoZombies!
That was for darthstar.
Still gross though.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:51:16pm |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Let's change that from "a little" to something more impressive.
I've eaten placenta. I've eaten the placenta of more than one animal.
And eyeballs, tongue, testicles, grubs, locusts, spiders, and rats.
| 195 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:51:24pm |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
What's so wrong with donating? The stem cells might have helped just a little in research by now.
| 196 |
Interesting Times Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:52:19pm |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Here, let me help you complete the process:
For a growing number of new mothers, there’s no better nutritional snack after childbirth than the fruit of their own labor.
| 197 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:52:44pm |
re: #194 Obdicut
*hand over mouth, runs from the room*
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:53:16pm |
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:53:25pm |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The only one I didn't enjoy was spiders, especially since I coughed when eating it and a leg went up my nose.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:53:52pm |
re: #194 Obdicut
Let's change that from "a little" to something more impressive.
I've eaten placenta. I've eaten the placenta of more than one animal.
And eyeballs, tongue, testicles, grubs, locusts, spiders, and rats.
...Obdi, I don't think we can be friends anymore.
///
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:53:59pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:54:43pm |
re: #196 publicityStunted
Gee, and all I was offered after childbirth was a sandwich and some juice.
(You can't eat during because it would come back up, and some women are in labor for many, many hours.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:55:06pm |
I'm going to go to bed now. Dreams of dancing placentas being chased by hungry spiders.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:55:33pm |
re: #194 Obdicut
And eyeballs, tongue, testicles, grubs, locusts, spiders, and rats.
"I'll take Lesser-known Godfather's Pizza toppings for $500, Alex."
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Gus Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:56:16pm |
re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm going to go to bed now. Dreams of dancing placentas being chased by hungry spiders.
What? No Ponch and John too?
//
| 206 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:56:19pm |
re: #183 Obdicut
Killgore, Gus, the past months have been rough on both of you so I just wanted to say, sincerely:
Sexy!
| 207 |
Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:56:40pm |
re: #200 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It would have been rude to refuse any of them. But I honestly love wichity grubs. Love them.
They even look like candy.
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jaunte Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:56:49pm |
re: #204 publicityStunted
Just two more toppings and you've built yourself a "Big Niner."
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:57:19pm |
re: #201 EmmmieG
Cord blood. They used to take donations. Don't, anymore.
My husband and I had a brief conversation about that when my boy was born but didn't do anything about it. It is amazing what can come from cord stem cells.
| 210 |
Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:58:11pm |
Hey, I just figured out how to see karma points.
I have 666 !
:s
| 211 |
Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:02:46pm |
Whew!!!
Thanks, I thought Herman Cain was gonna get me !!!
| 212 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:04:48pm |
re: #211 OhNoZombies!
Whew!!!
Thanks, I thought Herman Cain was gonna get me !!!
You still have 9-9-9 to come. Maybe.
| 213 |
Digital Display Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:04:59pm |
re: #211 OhNoZombies!
Whew!!!
Thanks, I thought Herman Cain was gonna get me !!!
He is Hellhound on your trail..
Hope you are well..only 666 updings? I expected more..
| 214 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:07:18pm |
re: #202 EmmmieG
Gee, and all I was offered after childbirth was a sandwich and some juice.
(You can't eat during because it would come back up, and some women are in labor for many, many hours.)
Tell me about it. She doesn't remember, but I still have the bruises.
(okay, maybe not , but I remember them)
| 215 |
Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:10:42pm |
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:10:59pm |
re: #207 Obdicut
It would have been rude to refuse any of them. But I honestly love wichity grubs. Love them.
They even look like candy.
Live or dead?
| 217 |
Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:11:20pm |
re: #211 OhNoZombies!
Whew!!!
Thanks, I thought Herman Cain was gonna get me !!!
| 218 |
Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:12:28pm |
re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sinister...
| 219 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:15:43pm |
Queen - Don't Stop Me Now (Violin Cover by Nick Kwas)
| 220 |
Obdicut Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:24:05pm |
re: #216 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Dead but twitching.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:25:32pm |
re: #216 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Live or dead?
Toasted over a flame is typical. I hear tell they taste like almonds, but haven't sampled one. It's on my list, along with Mongongo nuts.
| 222 |
Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:25:33pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
Dead but twitching.
Ah, well at least you don't go for the total Klingon experience.
| 226 |
ReamWorks SKG Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:47:03pm |
Good night! I'm off to Hollywood tomorrow, to the Magic Castle.
[Link: magiccastle.com...]
| 227 |
Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:48:27pm |
| 229 |
BishopX Wed, Oct 26, 2011 8:54:11pm |
So the Occupy Oakland folks are back tonight...the city has said they can't stay past 10pm local time, we'll see how it goes in two hours.
Local TV has an live stream from their helicopter.
| 230 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:01:44pm |
Dead thread! Dead thread! Doing the dead thread dance!
*Puts her feet on the table and eats some cookies with her mouth open. Spills crumbs on the couch.*
| 231 |
Targetpractice Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:02:13pm |
re: #225 engineer dog
(taps mike)
is this thing on?
My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.
| 232 |
prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:08:47pm |
re: #226 reuven
Good night! I'm off to Hollywood tomorrow, to the Magic Castle.
[Link: magiccastle.com...]
Have fun!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:09:27pm |
*Turns the music up. Tosses some candy wrappers at the trash. Misses*
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:11:25pm |
re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.
August 1984. I was stationed with the 13th Armored of the 1st Armor Division in Germany near the Czech boarder. I was less than amused by this alleged joke.
| 238 |
Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:13:11pm |
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:13:23pm |
re: #236 wlewisiii
If I were in your position, I wouldn't be amused either.
Reagan was a racist moron.
| 240 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:15:14pm |
re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I should mention that I am now able to slam Salafis during conversations during open time at events MSA is doing itself, or has a part in.
While the Salafi President of MSA is 2 feet away.
I can be VERY brazen on things.
| 241 |
laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:16:27pm |
re: #240 ProLifeLiberal
Curious as to what they think of what's happened in Libya recently.
| 242 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:17:09pm |
Army Ranger On 14th Deployment Killed In Afghanistan
This is why we need a draft. With no exemptions. No deferrals. No excuses. You turn 18, you do 2 years. Men and women. President's child or janitor's child. CO? You're a medic or corpsman. In a wheel chair? You're a clerk.
| 243 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:17:47pm |
re: #241 laZardo
Relatively pleased. Waiting for Syria to fall.
Syria won't come until Yemen splinters. And it will break into at least 2 pieces.
| 244 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:18:52pm |
re: #119 WindUpBird
better at what? Disseminating child porn? :D
Oh Lord, I've seen you giggle over 4-chan. How bad can Reddit be?
| 245 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:19:14pm |
re: #242 wlewisiii
Sounds good to me, I want to deal with the Taliban with my own 2 hands.
Ottoman Empire had the right idea with these idiotic fanatics.
| 247 |
laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:20:05pm |
re: #245 ProLifeLiberal
Sounds good to me, I want to deal with the Taliban with my own 2 hands.
Ottoman Empire had the right idea with these idiotic fanatics.
And the Armenians. Oh wait.
| 248 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:20:20pm |
re: #246 laZardo
Conscription sounds like a very socialist thing to propose.
/// ;P
It wasn't socialist in 1941.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:21:09pm |
re: #242 wlewisiii
Army Ranger On 14th Deployment Killed In Afghanistan
This is why we need a draft. With no exemptions. No deferrals. No excuses. You turn 18, you do 2 years. Men and women. President's child or janitor's child. CO? You're a medic or corpsman. In a wheel chair? You're a clerk.
I would put it at 22. Why? I think 18 is too young to deal with war.
The conscription age for WWII was 21. It was 18 for Vietnam.
| 250 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:23:11pm |
re: #134 WindUpBird
seems like actively stunting your children at this day and age to keep them isolated from technology
It's a matter of balance. Like most things.
Everything in moderation, as Apollo or someone used to say.
| 251 |
laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:24:50pm |
re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist
It's a matter of making sure they get their daily dose of sunlight.
Regardless of how thin the ozone layer might be above their heads.
/partial because basement dwellers are terrifying yet pitiful creatures
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:25:32pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
Yeah. Did you notice how that other said he was "overemployed"? Probably some wingnut. Or one of them "moderates" that don't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
That was 'under/overemployed'. I believe the point is that you should mention either that applies.
If my current pattern of employment persists, I may end up being both.
I have a hard time being offended by this.
| 253 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:25:43pm |
re: #246 laZardo
Conscription sounds like a very socialist thing to propose.
/// ;P
It ensures that all have a equal share in the outcome of who we vote for. It makes us remember we are all part of the same community; the same social contract. I wonder if the chicken hawks in congress would be so fast to send troops to Iraq had their children's lives been on the line? Yet, when it really is the greater good involved, I doubt you'll have any problem finding young rich ivy leaguers willing to risk their lives piloting bombers ... (GHW Bush)
In the end it's yet another way to remind the 1% that they too bear some of the cost of what the 99% has built.
| 254 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:27:09pm |
re: #247 laZardo
The Armenian Genocide was a precursor to the Holocaust in many ways.
The Wahabists, the cause to many of our problems today, were an issue for the Ottomans too. Their wake-up call was the Sack of Karbala. Much of the city was destroyed and most of the population killed by the 1st Saudi State.
After that (and the Napoleonic Wars ended), the main Empire, and it's sub-state of Egypt under Mehmed Ali invaded the First Saudi State. After the entire area was captured, the Saudi family attempted to cause an uprising. The Ottomans and Egpytians, already very tired of the Saudis, proceeded to annihilate the Capital City by burning it to the ground. They then had the Saudi King sent to Istanbul to be tried and punished. He was beheaded, his body thrown in the Bosphorus (sound familiar), and head put on a pike along the waterway.
The Wahabi Preachers were hunted down, and would continue to be hunted until the collapse of the Empire.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:27:22pm |
re: #143 EmmmieG
I have told this story before here:
I was checking The Princess back into high school at the attendance office. The kid writing out the slip for her to get back in wrote down all the information, then looked at the clock.
And looked at it.
And looked at it.
Finally, I just said, "It's 11:28."
"Thanks," he said, and wrote them time in.
Some skills still need to be taught.
A disturbing number of my students have not been able read an analog clock.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:28:16pm |
re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist
A disturbing number of my students have not been able read an analog clock.
I could send you one of my yellow plastic learning clocks.
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laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:30:35pm |
re: #253 wlewisiii
That sort of thing could really only be accomplished as long as there are wars to fight - and by proxy, opportunities to intervene in global affairs. I'd prefer a mandatory community service program for both high school and college students, at least as an acceptable substitute for ROTC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:30:45pm |
re: #175 engineer dog
As far as I can make out, Occupy Oakland is quiet tonite. Any bodies has any news?
This is all I got. Apparently they were let back into Ogawa Plaza.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:31:08pm |
re: #256 ProLifeLiberal
Or the Kennedys.
The boys, at least. Joe tried tried to stop them for many of the "usual" reasons.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:33:04pm |
re: #260 wlewisiii
Exactly what I meant.
Special note goes to John, who was denied the army for health reasons. He used strings to get INTO the Navy. That's a rather rare inversion
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:33:12pm |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh Lord, I've seen you giggle over 4-chan. How bad can Reddit be?
it was more of a call-back to Anderson Cooper and Oh That Crazy Internet Back and Forth than legitimate outrage over Reddit ;-)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:33:25pm |
re: #187 prairiefire
Many animals eat the placenta. Hippies bury it under a tree.
Some hippies also eat the placenta, although, according to my midwifery teacher, this was more popular in the 70s.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:34:00pm |
re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember in grade school, that the teacher would confiscate our digital watches. Lucky for us Swatches were analog.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:34:26pm |
re: #257 EmmmieG
I could send you one of my yellow plastic learning clocks.
I misread that the first time.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:34:43pm |
re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist
certain radio show listener parties toss the placenta onstage and hold it up before the radio host (in a clear plastic bag)
/notmakingthisup, sawitwithmyowneyes
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:35:26pm |
Apparently the Protesters in Denver are still there through the snowstorm, though 2 have been hospitalized. Temperatures are in the teens.
They seem to be some hardasses.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:35:34pm |
hey!
liveblogging from occupy oakland
they're taking a vote on a general strike
wobblies!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:36:00pm |
re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I misread that the first time.
Um, it looks like this...
[Link: images.learningresources.com...]
Read slower.
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laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:38:37pm |
re: #268 engineer dog
I'm curious and a bit confused as to how much "consensus" is needed to approve whatever is proposed before the general assembly.
Back in OS I recall a sudden sit-in at an intersection just south of Westlake Park. The vote was somewhat split and the majority went back to Westlake, while a few remained at the intersection.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:38:37pm |
re: #269 EmmmieG
Um, it looks like this...
[Link: images.learningresources.com...]
Read slower.
I was wondering what a plastic learning duck was.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:38:57pm |
re: #264 OhNoZombies!
I remember in grade school, that the teacher would confiscate our digital watches. Lucky for us Swatches were analog.
Oh. Swatches. Haven't thought about those in ages.
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laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:39:46pm |
re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist
Swatches were '96 I think. Pogs were '95.
/adjusted for the fact that The P.I. tends to be a little 'behind the times.'
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:40:13pm |
re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. Swatches. Haven't thought about those in ages.
Twenty-five years ago, I was working at the County Fair during the height of the Swatch craze. This guy came walking up with two swatches on. Around his neck.
After he left, we had a good time making fun of him.
"Excuse me, can you tell me what time it is? I can't...quite...see."
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:41:52pm |
re: #267 ProLifeLiberal
By the way it is right now 18 Degrees in Denver.
Hardcore, this little group of people is.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:42:30pm |
I only remember cause my parents ignored my pleas and I finally talked my grandma into getting me one.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:45:37pm |
re: #55 LudwigVanQuixote
I am very dissapointed in your post DF. The SDS and the Weather Underground were the smallest fraction of the various protest movements. It is simply a dishonest look at history to dredge them up in this way.
I agree. So don't so it. In the course of your demand to equate the many and disparate protest movements with SDS and Weather Underground, you tarnish the civil rights movement, the protest against Vietnam (which incidentally was a bad war that we should not have gotten into) the anti-nuclear weapons movement, the green movement and the consumer protection movement.
Are you really going to argue that Vietnam was a good idea or that civil rights was bad, or that we need more nuclear weapons or that dumping toxic waste is a good thing or that corporations should be able to get away with anything?
I know you have been taking a lot of heat here lately for your GOP views. But please, you make yourself a serious target with outbursts like this.
I'm going to respond to this post, even though its been a few hours, as a way of answering the downdings I got for my #27:
I was not trying to go after Occupy Wall Street with my comments on Nicolaus Mills' piece for CNN.com. My target was Mills himself and his whitewash of the SDS. I was not trying to make a point about the protesters themselves in that post, only what was being written about them. I would ask those who downdinged me to review that action in light of what I say now.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:48:58pm |
Swatches were in the 80's. I sold them at The Limited. Anybody buy a Forenza sweater?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:50:50pm |
re: #268 engineer dog
hey!
liveblogging from occupy oakland
they're taking a vote on a general strike
wobblies!
I don't know how they would make that stick. I seriously doubt the local unions would go on a 'wildcat' strike (I often go after unions, but most of them do indeed take their contract obligations on strikes seriously. Sympathy strikes are very rare.). I cannot understand what this is supposed to do, other than bring down a world of hurt on the Oakland protesters. But then again, that group has shown itself far more belligerent than most of the "Occupy" groups in North America.
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laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:53:41pm |
re: #279 Dark_Falcon
At least they're (trying to be) serious about protesting. Wish I could say that about OM.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:55:24pm |
re: #266 WindUpBird
certain radio show listener parties toss the placenta onstage and hold it up before the radio host (in a clear plastic bag)
/notmakingthisup, sawitwithmyowneyes
Well, that's...modern. And very odd.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:55:30pm |
re: #278 prairiefire
Swatches were in the 80's. I sold them at The Limited. Anybody buy a Forenza sweater?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:57:09pm |
re: #273 laZardo
Swatches were '96 I think. Pogs were '95.
/adjusted for the fact that The P.I. tends to be a little 'behind the times.'
In the States Swatches must have been earlier than that. 80s sometime.
But you would have been too young to remember that. They probably have come back a few times since then.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:57:16pm |
"...in their march [nyc] they were shouting 'oakland, oakland, end police brutality'"
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:59:06pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
In the States Swatches must have been earlier than that. 80s sometime.
But you would have been too young to remember that. They probably have come back a few times since then.
I remember Swatches from the mid 80s.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:59:54pm |
re: #278 prairiefire
Absolutely ! Did you wear cuffed pants and 2 pairs of socks on each foot with keds?
I don't know about you, but my hair was huge !
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:00:51pm |
re: #274 EmmmieG
Twenty-five years ago, I was working at the County Fair during the height of the Swatch craze. This guy came walking up with two swatches on. Around his neck.
After he left, we had a good time making fun of him.
"Excuse me, can you tell me what time it is? I can't...quite...see."
I remember that the kids from more affluent--or indulgent--families would wear several at the same time.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:02:11pm |
re: #281 laZardo
At least they're (trying to be) serious about protesting. Wish I could say that about OM.
One can be serious without trying to set off that kind of trouble. Honestly, I think this is going to end badly for Occupy Oakland. They are pushing far harder than even a deferential police force and city government can accept. If they were to seriously try to shut down the city, I think there would be no choice for Oakland and California to bring as much force to bear as needed to crush them. I'd far prefer to avoid that. But if they decide to impose on others in that way, and try to take up coercive powers that do not belong to them, then there is no choice.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:03:05pm |
re: #287 OhNoZombies!
Absolutely ! Did you wear cuffed pants and 2 pairs of socks on each foot with keds?
I don't know about you, but my hair was huge !
How many pairs of these did you have?
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:04:07pm |
re: #287 OhNoZombies!
Absolutely ! Did you wear cuffed pants and 2 pairs of socks on each foot with keds?
I don't know about you, but my hair was huge !
I did have a perm, yes. My best look was an acid washed jean mini skirt with jean vest over a white ruffled shirt. For dancing to Human League and Flock Of Seagulls, of course. I was old enough to get into the clubs, my dear. : )
Night, lizards.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:04:30pm |
One for every color of the rainbow.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:04:42pm |
re: #279 Dark_Falcon
I don't know how they would make that stick. I seriously doubt the local unions would go on a 'wildcat' strike (I often go after unions, but most of them do indeed take their contract obligations on strikes seriously. Sympathy strikes are very rare.). I cannot understand what this is supposed to do, other than bring down a world of hurt on the Oakland protesters. But then again, that group has shown itself far more belligerent than most of the "Occupy" groups in North America.
as far as i can make out, they're calling it a strike, but in practice it sounds more like a march
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:05:59pm |
re: #274 EmmmieG
That WAS a funny trend, wasn't it?
*waves to all*
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:06:45pm |
re: #278 prairiefire
Fiorucci jeans?
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:07:59pm |
re: #291 prairiefire
I loved the Human League. I didn't need a perm, but I'm probably gonna have chronic bronchitis from all the hairspray I inhaled.
Alas, i was too young for the clubs.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:09:39pm |
re: #289 Dark_Falcon
So I suppose, then, that I shouldn't remind the OO folks that all of the constitution's guarantees apply to them - including those of the 2nd Amendment? I doubt that the FF's would be very sympathetic to the Oakland PD given how hard it was to get John Adams to finally step up to the bar in 1770.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:10:31pm |
re: #295 Floral Giraffe
Guess! Jeans.
I recently saw some home movies where I was wearing a fedora and a necktie.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:19:19pm |
re: #297 wlewisiii
So I suppose, then, that I shouldn't remind the OO folks that all of the constitution's guarantees apply to them - including those of the 2nd Amendment? I doubt that the FF's would be very sympathetic to the Oakland PD given how hard it was to get John Adams to finally step up to the bar in 1770.
OK, now you're talking about armed insurrection. That would forfeit most sympathy enjoyed by "Occupy" protesters and the movement would simply be greatly weakened. And Occupy Oakland would be destroyed. Even if the Oakland PD fell apart, the National Guard would be summoned. So you had better put that idea aside. It's as foolish as the violent revolt fantasies of the worst of the Tea Party.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:22:08pm |
ok, meeting finished and now it's a big party & i can dance the robot to some michael jackson on the sound system
[does the robot]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:26:29pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:28:39pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:36:26pm |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
DF? Your chain's laying on the ground where, I fear, I pulled it :D
But there's less snark there than I'd wish. The income gap ensures that. Take it as you will.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:38:07pm |
re: #305 wlewisiii
DF? Your chain's laying on the ground where, I fear, I pulled it :D
But there's less snark there than I'd wish. The income gap ensures that. Take it as you will.
The thing is, what you said in snark might be taken seriously by others, in light of how bad things are in Oakland right now. I ask you to please use caution.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:53:20pm |
re: #306 Dark_Falcon
The thing is, what you said in snark might be taken seriously by others, in light of how bad things are in Oakland right now. I ask you to please use caution.
Df, I'm not sure how to phrase this - but the reality remains that the Oakland PD is the kind of agency the founding fathers were concerned about. These are the people they warned us about. Are we really supposed to just lay back and "take it"?
I do not think that the system has broken down so far as to warrant armed insurrection against the state. But I remain deeply concerned that the TP/GOP is forcing the 99% closer and closer to that situation. I did serve; I have a good idea of what that would entail. What I fear the most is the chicken-hawks who never served (and have no clue what they are doing) forcing us into a second civil war.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 10:58:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:00:27pm |
re: #308 wlewisiii
How is the Oakland PD doing wrong? I hear what you are saying, but I do not know why you say it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:02:05pm |
Today's Daily Quotient of POLAR BEAR Cub!
Yesterday's dose of kitteh! (I forget yesterday, bltn)
How is it going all?
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:02:33pm |
re: #309 Dark_Falcon
my reply kind of covered it, but in essence I'm just kind of tired of it, you're literally 'doing what they told you'.
Both you and KT decided your positions on the Occupy protests well before you even knew they existed, and the constant fishing is just exceptionally frustrating.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:04:19pm |
Christ.
Jean Quan has told Occupy Oakland that they can set up their tents again.
But now 400 of them are trekking across the bay to SF, because Occupy SF is going to be raided, and they want to go help.
BART police is now trying to shut down the stations.
Occupy Oaklanders are now marching south on Broadway.
I wonder if they'll just take over the bridge and walk.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:04:54pm |
re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist
Hope you don't need the Bridge tomorrow!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:05:32pm |
re: #312 windsagio
my reply kind of covered it, but in essence I'm just kind of tired of it, you're literally 'doing what they told you'.
Both you and KT decided your positions on the Occupy protests well before you even knew they existed, and the constant fishing is just exceptionally frustrating.
I'd say that everyone decided their positions on the Occupy protests well before they existed, and are deeply pissed off at anything that challenges their preconceived notions.
No one is coming to this with an untainted mind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:06:38pm |
re: #315 Floral Giraffe
Hope you don't need the Bridge tomorrow!
I have to get into San Francisco tomorrow, from the East Bay.
I hope to God that BART has its act squared away by tomorrow afternoon.
If not, I guess I cancel.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:07:21pm |
News guy says that there are only about 25 in the plaza right now.
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:07:28pm |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
That's a good generalization but not all preconceptions are made equal.
I think a lot of the younger folks had basically positive feelings towards the Occupy stuff, but that's different from the insane hardcore hostility we've seen.
If nothing else its polarizing and engenders harsh responses.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:07:38pm |
re: #310 Dark_Falcon
Oy, we're really talking past one another tonight.
If you really can't see what is wrong with the Oakland PD, even if we assume everything bad about Occupy Oakland is true, then I"m not sure we are even speaking the same language. Murder and attempted murder of suspects is usually considered a bad thing. Shooting CS grenades straight into peoples faces is usually considered a bad thing. And etc.
But then, "there is no new thing under the sun" is there?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:08:47pm |
re: #313 laZardo
Keisha Fabo is the best use of a Sims machinima in the world. :3
And you?
I don't know, I think you just said something in a new language.
:)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:08:57pm |
re: #320 windsagio
That's a good generalization but not all preconceptions are made equal.
I think a lot of the younger folks had basically positive feelings towards the Occupy stuff, but that's different from the insane hardcore hostility we've seen.
If nothing else its polarizing and engenders harsh responses.
My perception is that the people who like the idea of OWS have been just as kneejerk as anyone else, and mocking and aggressive toward any cricitism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:10:55pm |
Protesters in SF are passing out hankies soaked in vinegar, and ear plugs. BART has closed the Embarcadero station. Police are massing.
It's getting real in the Whole Foods parking lot, y'all. God, I hope Greg Suhr keeps his magic touch.
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laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:11:06pm |
Speaking of the 90s, check out what's returning tonight.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:11:12pm |
re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist
Christ.
Jean Quan has told Occupy Oakland that they can set up their tents again.
But now 400 of them are trekking across the bay to SF, because Occupy SF is going to be raided, and they want to go help.
BART police is now trying to shut down the stations.
Occupy Oaklanders are now marching south on Broadway.
I wonder if they'll just take over the bridge and walk.
Oh Bob, are they going to disrupt traffic again. It isn't good PR.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:11:24pm |
I gotta go. DF, hold any thoughts - you and I aren't going anywhere so we can have this arguement later. Thanks!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:12:06pm |
re: #326 ggt
Oh Bob, are they going to disrupt traffic again. It isn't good PR.
Dunno. If they want to get across to the City, and BART won't take them, they've got two choices--bridge or swim.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:12:15pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:12:37pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:13:03pm |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. If they want to get across to the City, and BART won't take them, they've got two choices--bridge or swim.
Sounds like escalation to me
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:13:36pm |
Had dental work done today, novacaine shot to the upper gum area. That and the vibrations of the drilling has totally wreaked havoc with my sinuses.
Why?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:13:48pm |
Meanwhile, a protest to save a bunch of Oakland elementary schools got a turnout of 100.
Very cute kids.
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:13:50pm |
re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist
Some things are mockable. The intense 'omg communists!' reaction especially.
If you can't see the intense, crazy, emotional hostility as compared to the generally vague positive reaction, I don't even know what to say. Plenty of people who think the things are senseless or misdirected are still reacting with snickers or hostility to the nuttiness the usual suspects have been posting on here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:14:26pm |
re: #334 windsagio
Some things are mockable. The intense 'omg communists!' reaction especially.
If you can't see the intense, crazy, emotional hostility as compared to the generally vague positive reaction, I don't even know what to say. Plenty of people who think the things are senseless or misdirected are still reacting with snickers or hostility to the nuttiness the usual suspects have been posting on here.
this
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:14:43pm |
re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist
you know how it is, a lot of people don't have kids...
people are if nothing else, selfish :p
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:15:56pm |
12th Street BART station (in Oakland downtown) is now closed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:16:12pm |
re: #334 windsagio
also, generation gap
also, proximity to actual hippies
If you actually hang out with real hippies, they stop looking like Killgore's magical trust-fund communists and start looking like...people
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:18:34pm |
re: #338 WindUpBird
it goes back to my other thing.
"Goddammit you guys the 60s are over already. They have been for almost 50 years."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:18:51pm |
re: #338 WindUpBird
also, generation gap
also, proximity to actual hippies
If you actually hang out with real hippies, they stop looking like Killgore's magical trust-fund communists and start looking like...people
Strange thing is that the trust-fund babies I know are all Fox New's watchers. Scared the government is going to take their money and they'll have to get a job.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:18:55pm |
re: #334 windsagio
Some things are mockable. The intense 'omg communists!' reaction especially.
If you can't see the intense, crazy, emotional hostility as compared to the generally vague positive reaction, I don't even know what to say. Plenty of people who think the things are senseless or misdirected are still reacting with snickers or hostility to the nuttiness the usual suspects have been posting on here.
As have I.
But I'm also seeing the irrational behavior coming the other way.
Which you apparently are not.
Now, both of us think that's because the other is blinded by their prejudice, no?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:19:51pm |
re: #338 WindUpBird
also, generation gap
also, proximity to actual hippies
If you actually hang out with real hippies, they stop looking like Killgore's magical trust-fund communists and start looking like...people
I grew up and still live in Hippie central, and I'm under forty.
My skepticism about this whole thing comes from a lot of real-world experience with the people involved.
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laZardo Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:20:44pm |
I share Anon's views on OWS. I think they are admirable for going out there, yet at the same time I derive some kind of strange enjoyment from the ensuing shenanigans.
ah contrarianism
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:21:00pm |
re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist
I haven't seen anybody advocating the protesters beating up the police (altho I've seen the opposite more than once from various people).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:21:26pm |
re: #339 windsagio
it goes back to my other thing.
"Goddammit you guys the 60s are over already. They have been for almost 50 years."
it's great, compared to anyone in my family, I'm the rattiest hippie who ever hackey-sacked his way across hempfest
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:21:54pm |
They're now telling people crossing the Bay to get on at ninteenth, and disembark at Montgomery (skipping 12th and Embarcadero stations, which are apparently locked down to new passengers.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:22:37pm |
re: #344 windsagio
I haven't seen anybody advocating the protesters beating up the police (altho I've seen the opposite more than once from various people).
gloating about protestor beatdowns is just Something You Do For Fun!
Hilariously, that's exactly what Phil Hendrie's radio show is lampooning tonight, he's got a character who's recieving a sexual thrill from watching OWS beatdowns on the news
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:25:14pm |
re: #344 windsagio
I haven't seen anybody advocating the protesters beating up the police (altho I've seen the opposite more than once from various people).
I've seen people excusing violent rhetoric that they would have aggressively denounced coming from RWNJ.
And perhaps more relevant to me, who has not supported anyone getting beaten up, I'm seeing a real unwillingness to see criticism or opposition as anything but kneejerk totalitarianism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:26:03pm |
More footage. They're still on the move on Broadway.
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:27:21pm |
re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist
like what? You don't have to quote (its a pain) but specificity would be nice.
Specific things I've seen on LGF that have no equivalent.
*Person saying that a cop deserves a medal for not beating up a non-resisting non-violent protester
*People happily joking about the idea of protesters being teargassed
*Particularly bad joke about a girl that had been hit in the head with a billy club.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:30:01pm |
re: #351 windsagio
like what? You don't have to quote (its a pain) but specificity would be nice.
Specific things I've seen on LGF that have no equivalent.
*Person saying that a cop deserves a medal for not beating up a non-resisting non-violent protester
*People happily joking about the idea of protesters being teargassed
*Particularly bad joke about a girl that had been hit in the head with a billy club.
Like the hanging of bankers in effigy? Earlier today, people were being pretty giggly about the idea that anyone could find that inappropriate.
Dunno, somehow it was a BIG DEAL when the Tea Party was suggesting violence. It becomes so much more metaphorical when people one wants to agree with do it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:31:46pm |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
I grew up and still live in Hippie central, and I'm under forty.
My skepticism about this whole thing comes from a lot of real-world experience with the people involved.
You are also a bit of a career activist who is often at odds with the standard pro-palestinian bay area thus-and-so, by your own admission. ;-)
I'm skeptical of people, period. OWS is no well-oiled-machine, it's more of a chaotic expression of fury and frustration. But I don't discount that OWS is a Real Thing that is changing the opinions of my very-not-hippie friends from I-don't-care to why-the-fuck-are-they-shooting-protestors-in-the-head and wow-reading-up-on-what-happened-in-the-credit-crisis-some-of-these-bankers-should-be-put-in-prison-for-life.
there's a lot of cultural anger about the state of things, that is expressing itself with OWS, and dismissing it utterly is just foolish
and that's why I respond poorly to it, because hey: be skeptical all you want, but the KT-flavored absolute dismissal seems like actual blindness to me, so I have contempt for it
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:32:38pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno, somehow it was a BIG DEAL when the Tea Party was suggesting violence. It becomes so much more metaphorical when people one wants to agree with do it
.
QFT!
What I don't get about this is that people are choosing sides, pitting the Tea Party and OWS against each other. From what I see, they have more in common than they have differences.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:32:55pm |
And when I questioned that--not in a hysterical manner I might add--I got asked--through Pete Seeger--whose side I was on.
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:34:42pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
I didn't see that, do you remember which thread? It'd be interesting to read.
One of the things that's interested me is that barring a few general protest nuts, the occupy protests have been remarkably violence free. I heard some interviews on NPR where they had european tourists in NYC talking about how bizarrely docile the protesters seemed to me.
There's been a constant drumbeat of really nutty criticism on here. At the risk of being rude, you're kind of doing the "ROBERT BYRD!" defense.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:34:57pm |
re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist
News guy says that there are only about 25 in the plaza right now.
Now THERE'S a riot...
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:35:39pm |
re: #354 ggt
the difference, to be frank, are the base goals of the movements. In that sense they couldn't be more different.
And that's leaving the astroturfing issues aside as irrelevant.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:35:56pm |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. If they want to get across to the City, and BART won't take them, they've got two choices--bridge or swim.
I vote for swim!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:36:47pm |
re: #332 ggt
Had dental work done today, novacaine shot to the upper gum area. That and the vibrations of the drilling has totally wreaked havoc with my sinuses.
Why?
Because it WILL be better tomorrow, or the next day, well, soon...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:38:24pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
Like the hanging of bankers in effigy? Earlier today, people were being pretty giggly about the idea that anyone could find that inappropriate.
Dunno, somehow it was a BIG DEAL when the Tea Party was suggesting violence. It becomes so much more metaphorical when people one wants to agree with do it.
I absolutely see how people could find it inappropriate
but I also think that banks were on the precipice of actually for real destroying the country, so I sorta see why they're pissed!
I simply identify more, and find more validity, with being angry at banks for almost destroying the country, than I do with being angry that the wrong guy won an election. The sides aren't equal.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:40:26pm |
re: #360 Floral Giraffe
Because it WILL be better tomorrow, or the next day, well, soon...
I sure hope so, I'm rather sensitive. My teeth hurt for a week after the last dentist I went to cleaned them. It was so awful, I waited 2 years to get the cavities filled. This new dentist was sooo much more gentle. (the last guy was recommened because of gentleness, as well!)
I can't freaking breathe thru my nose and I can't stop blowing my nose and sneezing. I've taken allergy meds, just in case I'm having a reaction to something.
I think the nerve is just wigged-out. It sucks!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:42:45pm |
re: #362 WindUpBird
I absolutely see how people could find it inappropriate
but I also think that banks were on the precipice of actually for real destroying the country, so I sorta see why they're pissed!
I simply identify more, and find more validity, with being angry at banks for almost destroying the country, than I do with being angry that the wrong guy won an election. The sides aren't equal.
I still don't get why people are blaming the banks and Wall Street. They were legalling doing what they do best --gamble. Their behavior might have been unethical, but hey, the law was followed.
It's OUR job to pay attention and force our elected officials to REGULATE Wall Street. If We the People had not signed mortgage papers that were outrageous, this never would have happened in the first place. We are just as greedy as Wall Street.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:43:01pm |
re: #310 Dark_Falcon
How is the Oakland PD doing wrong?
Hahaha, oh Wow!
...
Disturbing enough on its own, the Oakland PD then denied using SIM force on protesters at all and claimed that in fact, no one had been injured.
Worse yet, after protesters were hit with an exploding device while attempting to come to the aid of Olsen, they had to carry him through the crowd, begging for medical aid even though dozens of Oakland Police looked on from the other side of their barrier.
...
UPDATE: According to San Francisco's ABC7 News, interim Police Chief Howard Jordan said Olsen's injury will be treated as a Level 1 investigation, which is the same as if police had used lethal force. A Level 1 investigation involves not only Internal Affairs, but the district attorney and the office of the Inspector General.
Below is section two from the Oakland Police Training Bulletin.
b. The use of Direct Fired SIM must cease when the violent or destructive actions cease. These weapons must not be used for the purpose of apprehension or to otherwise prevent escape unless escape would present a substantial risk of continued imminent threat to loss of life or serious bodily injury.
c. Members shall only deploy Direct Fired SIM during a demonstration or crowd event under the direction of a supervisor. Oakland Police Department, 28 Oct 05 17
d. When circumstances permit, the supervisor on the scene shall make an attempt to accomplish the policing goal without the use of Direct Fired SIM as described above, and, if practical, an audible warning shall be given to the subject before deployment of the weapon.
e. Any person struck by a round shall be transported to a hospital for observation and any necessary treatment. Ambulance service, if required, shall be ordered per General Order I-4. First aid, when necessary, shall be administered per Training Bulletin III-K.
f. No member shall use Direct Fired SIM without formal training.
g. Direct Fired SIM shall not be used against a person who is under restraint.
h. Members shall not discharge a Direct Fired SIM at a person’s head, neck, throat, face, left armpit, spine, kidneys, or groin unless deadly force would be justified
Keep on pretending nothing's wrong Pollyanna.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:44:10pm |
re: #364 ggt
Sleep, drink lukewarm tea tomorrow. Take your pain meds, if prescribed.
I am dentalphobic, and my current dentist is a sweetie, she said to me, "we're not here to hurt you, honey" which made me cry harder.
Be well. And take time for your body to heal.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:45:03pm |
re: #367 Floral Giraffe
Sleep, drink lukewarm tea tomorrow. Take your pain meds, if prescribed.
I am dentalphobic, and my current dentist is a sweetie, she said to me, "we're not here to hurt you, honey" which made me cry harder.
Be well. And take time for your body to heal.
I can't sleep because I can't breathe
and I HATE tea. is lukewarm coffee ok?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:46:05pm |
re: #353 WindUpBird
You are also a bit of a career activist who is often at odds with the standard pro-palestinian bay area thus-and-so, by your own admission. ;-)
Yeah. I know what people look like when they're screaming 'itbach al yahud', and 'the Jews are our dogs' on the street. By my own admission.
And yes, that colors my perception of the happy singing hippies Who Just Want Fairness For All. But it does not change the fact that I am extremely familiar with this community, and I know many people who are involved in the local Occupy groups. I am not fantasizing about who's out there.
I also agree that Killgore is behaving like a lunatic about this. I don't know what's going on there.
But people are also overreacting to very slight criticisms on his part, or indeed, anyone's.
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:46:06pm |
To be perfectly frank (and at risk of being rude), I think what's happening in this discussion is people are defending friends are theirs who have kind of gone off the deep end on this subject.
It's not like that thing hasn't happened several times in the past on this blog.
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:48:28pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
in general its more people making fun of him for being nuts than people being outraged. His positions are really that absurd.
It's like when somebody else said that McCarthy actually had good ideas. It's too silly to take seriously, but you can't resist chaffing 'em about it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:49:08pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. I know what people look like when they're screaming 'itbach al yahud', and 'the Jews are our dogs' on the street. By my own admission.
And yes, that colors my perception of the happy singing hippies Who Just Want Fairness For All. But it does not change the fact that I am extremely familiar with this community, and I know many people who are involved in the local Occupy groups. I am not fantasizing about who's out there.
I also agree that Killgore is behaving like a lunatic about this. I don't know what's going on there.
But people are also overreacting to very slight criticisms on his part, or indeed, anyone's.
People are overreacting to KT because they no longer consider him an honest actor, he's betrayed their trust by being so hostile that he's not considered rational
Also he's fucking trolling by linking to yuk yuk anti-OWS stuff
So why should anyone take him seriously?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:49:09pm |
re: #356 windsagio
I didn't see that, do you remember which thread? It'd be interesting to read.
One of the things that's interested me is that barring a few general protest nuts, the occupy protests have been remarkably violence free. I heard some interviews on NPR where they had european tourists in NYC talking about how bizarrely docile the protesters seemed to me.
There's been a constant drumbeat of really nutty criticism on here. At the risk of being rude, you're kind of doing the "ROBERT BYRD!" defense.
Americans are like that. We're muted protesters.
And there's no 'being rude' about it. We're clearly seeing different things here, and we both think the other is being deliberately blind.
Except that I readily admit that we've got a couple--maybe two and half?--people here who have taken agin the OWS and will not let up on them.
I think the thread was the last one. Possibly the one before that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:49:43pm |
re: #359 Floral Giraffe
I vote for swim!
They would look good--maybe using the signs as giant flippers.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:50:00pm |
re: #372 WindUpBird
People are overreacting to KT because they no longer consider him an honest actor, he's betrayed their trust by being so hostile that he's not considered rational
Also he's fucking trolling by linking to yuk yuk anti-OWS stuff
So why should anyone take him seriously?
Because he has a good track record and this situation is still unfolding. No one knows how it will end.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:51:53pm |
re: #362 WindUpBird
I simply identify more, and find more validity, with being angry at banks for almost destroying the country, than I do with being angry that the wrong guy won an election. The sides aren't equal.
I tend to agree that OWS is angry about real things (at least to the extend that I can identify their message, which is somewhat malleable), and the Tea Party is angry about fantasies.
I guess I didn't realize that threatening violence was only wrong if your cause was stupid, though.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:53:19pm |
re: #376 SanFranciscoZionist
I tend to agree that OWS is angry about real things (at least to the extend that I can identify their message, which is somewhat malleable), and the Tea Party is angry about fantasies.
I guess I didn't realize that threatening violence was only wrong if your cause was stupid, though.
SFZ, why are you trying to reason with someone who doesn't want to be reasoned with?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:54:33pm |
re: #370 windsagio
To be perfectly frank (and at risk of being rude), I think what's happening in this discussion is people are defending friends are theirs who have kind of gone off the deep end on this subject.
It's not like that thing hasn't happened several times in the past on this blog.
Hmm? Killgore has lost his marbles over this. I don't know why. Falcon always sides with law, order, and Corporate America.
Who else is bugging out?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:56:42pm |
re: #372 WindUpBird
People are overreacting to KT because they no longer consider him an honest actor, he's betrayed their trust by being so hostile that he's not considered rational
Also he's fucking trolling by linking to yuk yuk anti-OWS stuff
So why should anyone take him seriously?
I don't think anyone needs to take him seriously, at least on this topic. But Lord knows, people have had meltdowns here before. Is it really all about him?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:57:31pm |
re: #377 ggt
SFZ, why are you trying to reason with someone who doesn't want to be reasoned with?
It's late. I'm watching some cop show on reruns.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:57:47pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:58:00pm |
re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist
It's late. I'm watching some cop show on reruns.
Did you see the Polar Bear Cub?
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windsagio Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:58:25pm |
re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist
I just don't understand why you'd take the position 'people on the other side are just as bad!' (even when its true its not a valid or useful argument)
It's a line of argument that just about always will make me see red.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:59:06pm |
Seems, from the Occupy SF Twitter that they may be planning to drive people over. There's some talk about buses and vans and cars getting organized.
Makes sense, although it would make more sense I think for the Oaklanders to organize their own vehicles and just drive over.
Might be hard for them to find parking in the Financial District in the middle of the damn night, though. The SFers probably have parking worked out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 26, 2011 11:59:27pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:00:25am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:00:25am |
re: #383 windsagio
I just don't understand why you'd take the position 'people on the other side are just as bad!' (even when its true its not a valid or useful argument)
It's a line of argument that just about always will make me see red.
I'm not saying they're 'just as bad'. I'm saying that they're pissing me off, and that I'm not interested in joining a team.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:00:27am |
since we're kind of winding down, I"m kind of weirded out by the sameness of the 2 opening riffs here. I wonder if they're intentionally copying themselves?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:00:30am |
re: #365 ggt
I still don't get why people are blaming the banks and Wall Street. They were legalling doing what they do best --gamble. Their behavior might have been unethical, but hey, the law was followed.
It's OUR job to pay attention and force our elected officials to REGULATE Wall Street. If We the People had not signed mortgage papers that were outrageous, this never would have happened in the first place. We are just as greedy as Wall Street.
The job of banks is actually not to gamble, it's to safeguard deposits and facilitate responsible lending. Gambling is an entirely different industry. Citibank just settled with the government and paid a huge fine because they did, in fact break the law. They packaged an investment that was designed to fail and sold it deceptively, they engaged in naked fraud.
Individually many people did take out loans they should never have been given, they were sold on an unsustainable financial model by the very people handing out the loans. Yes, "we the people" were greedy and short sighted, but that shouldn't really have come as a surprise, people by and large are stupid and are easily sold on housing as the American dream. It was the lenders who had the education, professional knowledge and the fiduciary responsibility who were in a position to realize exactly how reckless their actions were. Turns out they simply didn't give a shit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:01:24am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:01:51am |
re: #365 ggt
I still don't get why people are blaming the banks and Wall Street. They were legalling doing what they do best --gamble. Their behavior might have been unethical, but hey, the law was followed.
It's OUR job to pay attention and force our elected officials to REGULATE Wall Street. If We the People had not signed mortgage papers that were outrageous, this never would have happened in the first place. We are just as greedy as Wall Street.
Look at frank's 389 :P
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windsagio Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:02:37am |
re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist
Absolutely, it shoudln't be about teams, it should be about individual posts.
In me reacting to a whole series of nutty anti-OWS posts, what people that like the protests do shouldn't matter... altho I admit I also fell into the trap of that argument too for a while up there :p
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:03:28am |
They're all OVER Broadway. Looks low key. People are dancing.
There's some deal about a general strike going on. Don't imagine they'd have a critical mass for that.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:04:07am |
re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist
yeah not sure they know what 'general strike' means in that situation :p
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:04:34am |
Twitter says 6 vans of SFPD is suited up and ready to go.
Meanwhile, San Jose is breaking camp for the night.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:06:33am |
re: #389 goddamnedfrank
The job of banks is actually not to gamble, it's to safeguard deposits and facilitate responsible lending. Gambling is an entirely different industry. Citibank just settled with the government and paid a huge fine because they did, in fact break the law. They packaged an investment that was designed to fail and sold it deceptively, they engaged in naked fraud.
Individually many people did take out loans they should never have been given, they were sold on an unsustainable financial model by the very people handing out the loans. Yes, "we the people" were greedy and short sighted, but that shouldn't really have come as a surprise, people by and large are stupid and are easily sold on housing as the American dream. It was the lenders who had the education, professional knowledge and the fiduciary responsibility who were in a position to realize exactly how reckless their actions were. Turns out they simply didn't give a shit.
And why didn't our Congress Critters do something? Perhaps because they are just as greedy as the rest of us? Because we didn't demand it of them?
It's easy to blame. I think if we want the rights and privileges of liberty, we need to stop complaining and pay attention to the regulations they are trying to enact, make sure they are what we think will work. We need to hold our elected officials accountable.
See that individuals are investigated and prosecuted if they, did indeed break the law.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:07:09am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:07:50am |
Big news: 2,000 marchers from #OccupyOakland considering taking the Bay Bridge and marching to #OccupySF
Hey! I thought of it first!!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:08:01am |
re: #389 goddamnedfrank
What do you think of the Volcker Rule?
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windsagio Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:08:12am |
re: #399 SanFranciscoZionist
ok, that would be kind of epic.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:09:22am |
you know, thinking about it, this is the second time the police getting a little aggressive seems to have strengthened the protests.
This Oakland escalation stuff is a LOT like the conflicts in NY that really got OWS on the map in the first place.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:10:07am |
Buses standing room only, 60+ each. Seven buses + cars
News says that cops are staging up with riot gear in SF.
OccupySF is getting organized. Lines, one sitting, one standing, arms linked.
Couple of guys from the Board of Supes are with the protesters.
Jeff Adachi says 'we don't want a repeat of what happened in Oakland, tear gas, people getting hurt. This is San Francisco, we respect people's right to protest'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:11:24am |
Maybe if John Avalos gets arrested, he'll do better in the mayoral race.
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windsagio Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:12:37am |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
depends on if the protesters actually vote ><
just checking you are actually well clear of all this crap right?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:15:26am |
re: #405 windsagio
depends on if the protesters actually vote ><
just checking you are actually well clear of all this crap right?
Oh God, yes, I'm in Contra Costa county right now. Ten miles from the action. And Richmond is such a screwed up town that their Occupy group are seen as sort of a gentrification movement.
I do have to go into SF tomorrow, so I hope the BART lockdown is over by then. If I can't get over, I'm going to be out some cash.
No worries.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:18:13am |
re: #397 ggt
And why didn't our Congress Critters do something? Perhaps because they are just as greedy as the rest of us? Because we didn't demand it of them?
One of our two major parties actively undermined what little regulation we did have, and is currently doing everything in their power to destroy what's left. A solid third of the adults in this country are stuck in arrested development, they're children who hate their government, unless their government is beating the shit out of someone they like even less. They don't like teachers, scientists or regulators but love cops, the military and anyone wearing a gun. We're mired down by a sizable and anything but silent minority that is ideologically retarded and proud of it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:22:09am |
re: #407 goddamnedfrank
One of our two major parties actively undermined what little regulation we did have, and is currently doing everything in their power to destroy what's left. A solid third of the adults in this country are stuck in arrested development, they're children who hate their government, unless their government is beating the shit out of someone they like even less. They don't like teachers, scientists or regulators but love cops, the military and anyone wearing a gun. We're mired down by a sizable and anything but silent minority that is ideologically retarded and proud of it.
I agree the Theocrats who have taken over the GOP are using the "Myth of God-Fear Patriot" to make zombies out of their base. I'll never understand why they fall for it. I never understand why anyone "goes with the crowd", but that's just me.
As a result, I don't understand protests or tea parties either.
I was serious about your thoughts on the Volcker Rule. It's due to be approved or not in January. I'm still doing my research on Dodd-Frank and welcome imput.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:25:53am |
I need to get some sleep.
We'll see how this goes.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:36:34am |
re: #408 ggt
I was serious about your thoughts on the Volcker Rule. It's due to be approved or not in January. I'm still doing my research on Dodd-Frank and welcome imput.
From what I can see I like, though it doesn't seem to go far enough. One rule I'd like to see implemented is that speculators on a commodity must prove they have the ability to take possession of their contract. No more speculating on gas and other goods by funds, if you're not in the industry and have no possible physical use for the commodity then you have no business driving up its cost and fucking up everyone else's budgets.
I'll look more into Dodd-Frank when I get a chance, I'm knee deep in machine vision manuals at the moment.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:41:28am |
I saw this on another website.. ( I know, I cheat on all y'all) This is one person's attempt at writing an Obama stump speech. I kind of like it... what do y'all think about this?
oh and, howdy all
As president, I have to address both domestic policy and foreign policy. Because of the way that the commander-in-chief role has evolved, I have far fewer political constraints on foreign policy action than domestic policy action. So let's think about this for a second. On the foreign stage, America's standing has returned from its post-Iraq low. Al Qaeda is now a shell of its former self. Liberalizing forces are making uneven but forward progress in North Africa. Muammar Gaddafi's regime is no longer, without one American casualty. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are winding down. Every country in the Pacific Rim without a Communist Party running things is trying to hug us closer.
Imagine what I could accomplish in domestic policy without the kind of obstructionism and filibustering that we're seeing in Congress -- which happens to be even more unpopular than I am, by the way. I'm not talking about the GOP abjectly surrendering, just doing routine things like actually confirming my appointments. I've achieved significant foreign policy successes while still cooperating with our allies in NATO and Northeast Asia. Just imagine what I could get done if the Republicans were as willing to compromise as, say, France.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:42:22am |
re: #410 goddamnedfrank
From what I can see I like, though it doesn't seem to go far enough. One rule I'd like to see implemented is that speculators on a commodity must prove they have the ability to take possession of their contract. No more speculating on gas and other goods by funds, if you're not in the industry and have no possible physical use for the commodity then you have no business driving up its cost and fucking up everyone else's budgets.
I'll look more into Dodd-Frank when I get a chance, I'm knee deep in machine vision manuals at the moment.
That certainly sounds like fun!
I'll have to investigate the commodity angle. That would be different that you or me buying stock in the local gas company. Or an accredited investor buying into a natural gas IPO. You are talking about large scale buyers just using natural gas (as an example) as chips on the poker board--right?
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:47:38am |
re: #410 goddamnedfrank
From what I can see I like, though it doesn't seem to go far enough. One rule I'd like to see implemented is that speculators on a commodity must prove they have the ability to take possession of their contract. No more speculating on gas and other goods by funds, if you're not in the industry and have no possible physical use for the commodity then you have no business driving up its cost and fucking up everyone else's budgets.
I'll look more into Dodd-Frank when I get a chance, I'm knee deep in machine vision manuals at the moment.
I was just talking about this today. The ability to buy a commodity without the intent to use it, for the soul reason to sell it at a high price is, IMHO, a parasite on the rest of us. There is no logical purpose for this behavior other than greed. This needs to end. We have seen this happen with the energy sector to the detriment of many citizens.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:49:03am |
re: #413 boxhead
I was just talking about this today. The ability to buy a commodity without the intent to use it, for the soul reason to sell it at a high price is, IMHO, a parasite on the rest of us. There is no logical purpose for this behavior other than greed. This needs to end. We have seen this happen with the energy sector to the detriment of many citizens.
no more putts and calls on energy commodities for non-qualified buyers--yes?
Just trying to get this straight in my mind, so I can reference it in my research.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:51:28am |
re: #412 ggt
You are talking about large scale buyers just using natural gas (as an example) as chips on the poker board--right?
Or wheat, exactly, the consequences are real and devastating for millions of people already living on the edge. It happens all the time and its responsible for a huge amount of the price of everything we buy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:57:08am |
re: #415 goddamnedfrank
Or wheat, exactly, the consequences are real and devastating for millions of people already living on the edge. It happens all the time and its responsible for a huge amount of the price of everything we buy.
Ok, I'm trying to imagine the scope of this. Is there any situation in which it would be necessary to use a non-qualified investor's cash to buy a a future on wheat? ever?
What if a Ag company (Con Agra or whoever) has a bunch of cash tied-up or some legitimate reason and they need to secure wheat at a particularly advantageous price. Do they a) borrow or b) let a non-qualifed investor make the purchase for them with the agreement to sell it to them for an agreed minimal profit-which is cheaper than interest on any loan they might otherwise get. Does that make sense?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:57:35am |
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:58:20am |
re: #414 ggt
no more putts and calls on energy commodities for non-qualified buyers--yes?
Just trying to get this straight in my mind, so I can reference it in my research.
When California tried to deregulate its energy market a few years ago is the perfect example of the shenanigans that occur because so many people are douche bags. Enron was one of the worst offenders. And you can see it today with crude oil. The only reason for this is evil..... The sort or folks that do this and allow this are the ones that would steal from a child's lemonade stand and then brag about it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 12:59:44am |
re: #418 boxhead
When California tried to deregulate its energy market a few years ago is the perfect example of the shenanigans that occur because so many people are douche bags. Enron was one of the worst offenders. And you can see it today with crude oil. The only reason for this is evil... The sort or folks that do this and allow this are the ones that would steal from a child's lemonade stand and then brag about it.
The most obvious example is Soros currency speculation . . .
I know there are gamblers out there who just love to win. . .
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:01:03am |
re: #416 ggt
Ok, I'm trying to imagine the scope of this. Is there any situation in which it would be necessary to use a non-qualified investor's cash to buy a a future on wheat? ever?
What if a Ag company (Con Agra or whoever) has a bunch of cash tied-up or some legitimate reason and they need to secure wheat at a particularly advantageous price. Do they a) borrow or b) let a non-qualifed investor make the purchase for them with the agreement to sell it to them for an agreed minimal profit-which is cheaper than interest on any loan they might otherwise get. Does that make sense?
If they are buying it with the intent of actually using it, then OK. If not, then a pox on them. Using a third party to facilitate the purchase seems non toxic.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:03:07am |
So, no "getting in to the sugar" business unless you are actually going into business.
I can see that. I see determining who is a "qualified-buyer" and getting that certification being a nightmare to regulate tho.
That could in itself create collusion --no?
If Joe X and his 3 friend decide to start a new Maple Syrup (subsitute-*ahem*cough*) company and have to get qualifed --Big Ag has lobbyists that would work against them --no?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:03:28am |
re: #420 boxhead
If they are buying it with the intent of actually using it, then OK. If not, then a pox on them. Using a third party to facilitate the purchase seems non toxic.
Ok, I get that.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:03:34am |
re: #419 ggt
The most obvious example is Soros currency speculation . . .
I know there are gamblers out there who just love to win. . .
Hmm,,, buying cash vs buying energy causing brownouts throughout California during the Winter.... both are just greed. why don't they invest in creation rather than leeching?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:05:13am |
re: #423 boxhead
Hmm,,, buying cash vs buying energy causing brownouts throughout California during the Winter... both are just greed. why don't they invest in creation rather than leeching?
Hey, R&D is the biggest long shot of them all.
They aren't the big-time gamblers they like to think they are.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:06:26am |
re: #421 ggt
So, no "getting in to the sugar" business unless you are actually going into business.
I can see that. I see determining who is a "qualified-buyer" and getting that certification being a nightmare to regulate tho.
That could in itself create collusion --no?
If Joe X and his 3 friend decide to start a new Maple Syrup (subsitute-*ahem*cough*) company and have to get qualifed --Big Ag has lobbyists that would work against them --no?
New competition is not looked upon favorably by the old guard. One very cool counter example is the small business loans offered by Sam Adams Brewery to new micro brewers. gotta love that!
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:07:09am |
re: #424 ggt
Hey, R&D is the biggest long shot of them all.
They aren't the big-time gamblers they like to think they are.
But R&D is where the fun is... :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:08:50am |
re: #425 boxhead
New competition is not looked upon favorably by the old guard. One very cool counter example is the small business loans offered by Sam Adams Brewery to new micro brewers. gotta love that!
Yeah, I'm more of a cooperative person in that regard. I love new ideas and want to be in the center of it. It can only make my work better.
In my mind that is Capitalism.
Not the greed and power system it has become. Sad really. It's all about change.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:10:24am |
So how do you come-up with a system to prevent gambling with commodities that doesn't invite collusion and discourage innovation?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:11:54am |
re: #426 boxhead
But R&D is where the fun is... :)
Yeah, but it is freakin' expensive and time consuming.
Strange, after the last round of bank regulation (1930's) we saw a lot of innovation -- no?
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:12:59am |
re: #427 ggt
Yeah, I'm more of a cooperative person in that regard. I love new ideas and want to be in the center of it. It can only make my work better.
In my mind that is Capitalism.
Not the greed and power system it has become. Sad really. It's all about change.
shhh, some folks might call that type of sharing Communism... :)
Having done lots of coding, sharing and building on others work is the norm. Cooperation amongst folks can do great things. It also can cause headaches.. :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:16:24am |
re: #430 boxhead
shhh, some folks might call that type of sharing Communism... :)
Having done lots of coding, sharing and building on others work is the norm. Cooperation amongst folks can do great things. It also can cause headaches.. :)
Oh my head is starting to hurt. I thought the corporate structure was most efficient at "building on others work" because it kept knowledge that might otherwise die with the people who developed it?
Anyway, back to commodities. I'm having a hard time understanding how limiting the buyers is keeping a free market system.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:18:30am |
re: #428 ggt
So how do you come-up with a system to prevent gambling with commodities that doesn't invite collusion and discourage innovation?
hmmm... need to remove speculators from the buying pool. need to remove kooks from the buying pool. sounds like a fun discussion over food, wine, booze cause it will take hours.... OK, skip the discussion, just food wine and booze.... actually, skip food and wine, just booze... heheh
maybe require buyers to get a license based on why they want to buy. Now that I am thinking about this, should food, energy, or any essentials for living be subject to an unlimited profit system?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:19:28am |
Does any of this have to do with the fact that corporations no longer seem to pay dividends? Remember when a person could really benefit from dividends?
Cooperation among workers in a corporation is easier when everyone get's paid (at least part) on merit. Like dividends.
My last job was more of a socialist environment. At a corporation! Raises were based on time served and cost-of-living. The worst worker could be paid the same as the best. Rather de-motivating IMHO.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:21:11am |
re: #429 ggt
Yeah, but it is freakin' expensive and time consuming.
Strange, after the last round of bank regulation (1930's) we saw a lot of innovation -- no?
I don't know about the 30's, but with WWII motivating us, and the GI Bill for returning soldiers increasing USA's education level in its work force seemed to help loads.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:22:03am |
re: #432 boxhead
maybe require buyers to get a license based on why they want to buy.
As long as the person doing the licensing isn't a political appointee :)
Now that I am thinking about this, should food, energy, or any essentials for living be subject to an unlimited profit system?
How do you encourage innovation without unlimited profits as a motivator?
If I hit the jackpot in R&D after x years and sweat, I want to hit the jackpot for real.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:24:21am |
re: #433 ggt
Does any of this have to do with the fact that corporations no longer seem to pay dividends? Remember when a person could really benefit from dividends?
Cooperation among workers in a corporation is easier when everyone get's paid (at least part) on merit. Like dividends.
My last job was more of a socialist environment. At a corporation! Raises were based on time served and cost-of-living. The worst worker could be paid the same as the best. Rather de-motivating IMHO.
I think it is that the really big corps care more about share holder value than acting to support the USA.
And yeah... getting paid the same as the lame arse at the end of the hall when you do twice the work is not cool.... You need to find another source of motivation rather than pay...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:27:51am |
re: #436 boxhead
I think it is that the really big corps care more about share holder value than acting to support the USA.
And yeah... getting paid the same as the lame arse at the end of the hall when you do twice the work is not cool... You need to find another source of motivation rather than pay...
I wouldn't be at the other end of the hall if I didn't need the money. I'm not there for my health or to make friends.
Better to find a new job.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:32:13am |
re: #435 ggt
As long as the person doing the licensing isn't a political appointee :)
How do you encourage innovation without unlimited profits as a motivator?
If I hit the jackpot in R&D after x years and sweat, I want to hit the jackpot for real.
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong about a public appointee doing the approval as long as there is transparent and adequate oversight. Having someone doing the approval who has a direct stake in the game seems open to corruption.
As for motivation, look to academia for an example. People actually do good works for all because they believe it is right to do so. If they want to reap all of their creativity, invent a new consumer device.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:35:52am |
re: #437 ggt
I wouldn't be at the other end of the hall if I didn't need the money. I'm not there for my health or to make friends.
Better to find a new job.
I feel you.... believe me.... job opportunities are no where near what they used to be 10 years ago. Why can't our tax laws reward pro USA companies? Will that cause the rest of the world to cry foul? probably... *sigh*
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:37:01am |
re: #438 boxhead
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong about a public appointee doing the approval as long as there is transparent and adequate oversight. Having someone doing the approval who has a direct stake in the game seems open to corruption.
As for motivation, look to academia for an example. People actually do good works for all because they believe it is right to do so. If they want to reap all of their creativity, invent a new consumer device.
I think people in academia are motivated by something other than the idea of doing good works. Learning and solving a puzzle is more like it. Good work is the result.
We are getting into an Rational Self Interest here. I'm still trying to figure how to keep innovation and avoid collusion by eliminating non-qualified buyers from the commodities market.
I think political appointees are more likely to be influence indirectly by lobbyists than a non-political appointee. Perhaps a political appointee that has a term longer than the one that appointed him/her. A position that changes depending on the administration is not good for markets, IMHO.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:39:00am |
re: #439 boxhead
I feel you... believe me... job opportunities are no where near what they used to be 10 years ago. Why can't our tax laws reward pro USA companies? Will that cause the rest of the world to cry foul? probably... *sigh*
That would be a form of isolationism--no?
We are a global economy. If I have stock in a global company, I want it to do well regardless of the country it is in. Ditto, if my retirement is invested in mutual funds that have global interests. It is to everyone's advantage that what we do benefits the whole world. Now, if we can just get the rest of the world to behave the same . . . .
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:43:17am |
re: #440 ggt
I think people in academia are motivated by something other than the idea of doing good works. Learning and solving a puzzle is more like it. Good work is the result.
We are getting into an Rational Self Interest here. I'm still trying to figure how to keep innovation and avoid collusion by eliminating non-qualified buyers from the commodities market.
I think political appointees are more likely to be influence indirectly by lobbyists than a non-political appointee. Perhaps a political appointee that has a term longer than the one that appointed him/her. A position that changes depending on the administration is not good for markets, IMHO.
Having two brothers who are PhDs and do research for a living, I think the motivation is doing good works, being your own boss, and a bit of arrogance as well.
Political appointments subject to the whim of those who got elected has been very abused. So yeah, I agree. Deciding how to hire the right people can be done, it just sucks that we have to worry about abuse.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:45:31am |
re: #442 boxhead
Having two brothers who are PhDs and do research for a living, I think the motivation is doing good works, being your own boss, and a bit of arrogance as well.
Political appointments subject to the whim of those who got elected has been very abused. So yeah, I agree. Deciding how to hire the right people can be done, it just sucks that we have to worry about abuse.
Academics are certainly a different breed, IMHO.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:46:57am |
re: #441 ggt
That would be a form of isolationism--no?
We are a global economy. If I have stock in a global company, I want it to do well regardless of the country it is in. Ditto, if my retirement is invested in mutual funds that have global interests. It is to everyone's advantage that what we do benefits the whole world. Now, if we can just get the rest of the world to behave the same . . .
Yes it is... and I do lean that way. I do not think free trade with Countries that do not share our values, or have similar standards of living is a good thing.
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:47:31am |
re: #443 ggt
Academics are certainly a different breed, IMHO.
And both married PhDs... all of them Biology... heheh
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:50:15am |
(tap tap tap)
anybody here?
i had a lot of fun marching around with occupy oakland
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boxhead Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:50:22am |
stepping away, night for now... nice talks ggt
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:51:25am |
re: #447 engineer dog
(tap tap tap)
anybody here?
i had a lot of fun marching around with occupy oakland
Just the early day/late night crowd.
How was Oakland- did they try and kick you guys out as promised?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:54:37am |
re: #448 boxhead
stepping away, night for now... nice talks ggt
you too boxhead, thanks for actually discussing something without complaining and blaming.
:0
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 27, 2011 1:57:53am |
no, the police were out in force, and we marched around for a couple of hours, but it was clear that the police were under orders to just keep an eye on things and not interfere unless necessary
anyway, i will make my report to the lizards tomorrow when more people are around, but my general reaction is this:
it was a really fun party
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:04:04am |
Oooh, nifty.
Modern Algorithms Crack 18th Century Secret Code
[Link: www.wired.com...]
[Link: stp.lingfil.uu.se...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:05:00am |
re: #452 Sergey Romanov
Oooh, nifty.
Modern Algorithms Crack 18th Century Secret Code
[Link: www.wired.com...]
[Link: stp.lingfil.uu.se...]
I know! Very Cool!
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:05:38am |
re: #451 engineer dog
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:06:19am |
re: #452 Sergey Romanov
Something Masonic:
And what does the ceremony of the rope mean? It reminds us of the murderer of *nee* Hiram's, who has
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placed it around the neck, and with which they dragged the dead body out of the door of the temple.
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:08:57am |
re: #452 Sergey Romanov
Oooh, nifty.
Modern Algorithms Crack 18th Century Secret Code
[Link: www.wired.com...]
[Link: stp.lingfil.uu.se...]
that's really neat, but they'll never crack the voynich manuscript - because, i'm convinced, it's gibberish
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:09:08am |
re: #455 Sergey Romanov
Something Masonic:
Great. Breathe life into conspiracy theories.
That will provide cable TV with another 5 years of idiotic programming.
/
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:11:55am |
re: #456 engineer dog
that's really neat, but they'll never crack the voynich manuscript - because, i'm convinced, it's gibberish
I had to look that up.
I'll spend more time with a mower.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:17:56am |
re: #456 engineer dog
Why are you convinced of this? Mark Perakh's text entropy papers seem to show it may be a meaningful text: [Link: www.talkreason.org...]
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:19:29am |
Just a reminder for all you godless heathens- Daylight Savings Time ends November 6th.
After that date, naked Pagan Rituals will require appropriate seasonal apparel.
Back to regularly scheduled programming.
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:21:13am |
re: #459 Sergey Romanov
Why are you convinced of this? Mark Perakh's text entropy papers seem to show it may be a meaningful text: [Link: www.talkreason.org...]
Do you ever just read Reader's Digest?
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:22:38am |
re: #461 researchok
Wazzat?///
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:31:15am |
re: #459 Sergey Romanov
Why are you convinced of this? Mark Perakh's text entropy papers seem to show it may be a meaningful text: [Link: www.talkreason.org...]
that's very interesting, but your analyst here says it for me:
an "abnormally" sharp non-uniformity of the letter frequency distribution.
my theory is that an illiterate person in the 16th century wanted to have a book seeming to contain magic knowlege of somekind to give them authority, so they created the book
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:34:51am |
re: #463 engineer dog
The point is not whether there are arguments in favor of it being a highly-organized gibberish, there sure are, but that it may easily be a meaningful text too, i.e. there is no reason for a conviction about it being gibberish.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:37:04am |
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:39:47am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:43:45am |
I got your parking picket right here!!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:44:55am |
My streaming audio isn't working. WTF.
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:46:19am |
re: #464 Sergey Romanov
The point is not whether there are arguments in favor of it being a highly-organized gibberish, there sure are, but that it may easily be a meaningful text too, i.e. there is no reason for a conviction about it being gibberish.
well, i can't claim to have an authoritative or definitive conclusion about it, i merely came to the same conclusion, after looking closely at the "text" for a while, that there are a very few characters displaying a variation in frequency unlike any natural language i'm familiar with
however, that gives me an idea - maybe another character set is encoded by repetitions of the limited vms character set, i.e. 2 of a particular squiggle indicates one character, three of the same squiggle in a row signifies another
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:47:52am |
re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar
My streaming audio isn't working. WTF.
Did you connect the flux capacitor to the plasma flow injector?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:48:39am |
re: #460 researchok
Just a reminder for all you godless heathens- Daylight Savings Time ends November 6th.
After that date, naked Pagan Rituals will require appropriate seasonal apparel.
Back to regularly scheduled programming.
I wrote "No More Daylight" on my calendar. Thanks for the reminder!
:)
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:49:36am |
Morning, all. How am I going to explain Daylight Savings Time to the dog?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:49:59am |
re: #461 researchok
Do you ever just read Reader's Digest?
//
Who actually reads Reader's Digest. Don't we just flip thru for the jokes?
I think it's on it's way out anyway. It's kinda a, well, archaic mag. Honestly, it's just too white bread for me.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:50:27am |
re: #472 ggt
I wrote "No More Daylight" on my calendar. Thanks for the reminder!
:)
How did you know that's when I was going to blow up the su...
Nevermind.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:50:48am |
re: #473 Decatur Deb
Morning, all. How am I going to explain Daylight Savings Time to the dog?
"Blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah bah blah".
Hope this helps.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:51:24am |
Oy, too early for typing coherent sentence like thingies.
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:51:35am |
Cops Hunt Man Who Firebombed Taco Bell Because His Chalupas Had Too Little Meat
Georgia police are hunting for the aggrieved Taco Bell customer who threw a Molotov cocktail at the restaurant’s drive-thru window after phoning in a complaint that there was not enough meat in the chalupas he had purchased.
The bizarre incident occurred around 5 AM Sunday at a Taco Bell on North Slappey Boulevard in Albany. The small blaze did not cause injuries or damage to the building.
According to a police report, Taco Bell manager Cynthia Thompson told cops that, shortly before the firebombing, a man called the restaurant to complain about a reported meat shortage in his “two XL Chalupas.” The caller told Thompson that “after getting home realized that there was not enough stuffing inside of his chalupas, and demanded his order be corrected.”
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:51:35am |
re: #473 Decatur Deb
Morning, all. How am I going to explain Daylight Savings Time to the dog?
You have to let them go hungry for an extra hour every day. Eventually, they catch on.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:52:12am |
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:52:36am |
re: #479 ggt
You have to let them go hungry for an extra hour every day. Eventually, they catch on.
Just like the other kids in the family.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:53:05am |
re: #476 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah bah blah".
Hope this helps.
Dog gets a morning walk and an evening walk. Otherwise it's Occupy Kitchen. (75 lb Great Pyr-ish)
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engineer cat Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:53:25am |
anyway, i must power off my computing device and perform a routine mammalian sleep cycle
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:55:10am |
re: #478 researchok
Cops Hunt Man Who Firebombed Taco Bell Because His Chalupas Had Too Little Meat
Jon Stewart: "Dude, you bought food from Taco Bell. . . .Seriously?"
Normal American: " You wanted meat? and you couldn't find a real Mexican Restaurant?"
Police Interrogator: "Or were you just pissed-off already and looking for a reason to fire-bomb something?"
WTF?
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:55:29am |
re: #474 ggt
Who actually reads Reader's Digest. Don't we just flip thru for the jokes?
I think it's on it's way out anyway. It's kinda a, well, archaic mag. Honestly, it's just too white bread for me.
I agree, I was just giving Sergey a hard time.
On my reading list is the Voice of Time, JT Frasier
The Human Potential, William Couch
The Kite Runner, Khaled Hosseini
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:55:58am |
re: #482 Decatur Deb
Dog gets a morning walk and an evening walk. Otherwise it's Occupy Kitchen. (75 lb Great Pyr-ish)
He/She/It is just going to have to hold it for an extra hour --eventually he/she/it will catch-on.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:56:36am |
re: #478 researchok
Cops Hunt Man Who Firebombed Taco Bell Because His Chalupas Had Too Little Meat
Why doesn't someone explain to him that 'meat' isn't always quite meat. Then he'd thank the taquista.
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:58:00am |
re: #487 Decatur Deb
Why doesn't someone explain to him that 'meat' isn't always quite meat. Then he'd thank the taquista.
YOU talk to the guy.
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:58:12am |
re: #485 researchok
I agree, I was just giving Sergey a hard time.
On my reading list is thje Voice of Time, JT Frasier
The Human Potential, William Couch
The Kite Runner, Khaled Hosseini
I finally finished the I, Claudius series on Audio and was delighted to find the 3rd in the Trilogy of this series was available.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:58:19am |
re: #486 ggt
He/She/It is just going to have to hold it for an extra hour --eventually he/she/it will catch-on.
No biological necessity here, dog has a big yard. Case of OCD--Outsized Canine Determination.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 2:59:53am |
re: #489 ggt
I finally finished the I, Claudius series on Audio and was delighted to find the 3rd in the Trilogy of this series was available.
Did you see the BBC series from a decade or two ago? Derek Jacobi and Sian Phillips.
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:00:03am |
re: #489 ggt
I finally finished the I, Claudius series on Audio and was delighted to find the 3rd in the Trilogy of this series was available.
I need to read more fiction.
That's the kind of stud that appeals to me.
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:00:49am |
re: #491 Decatur Deb
Did you see the BBC series from a decade or two ago? Derek Jacobi and Sian Phillips.
I never saw that. Wish I did.
I was a working fool.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:01:03am |
re: #491 Decatur Deb
Did you see the BBC series from a decade or two ago? Derek Jacobi and Sian Phillips.
I, Claudius? NO, not yet. I wanted to listen to the books first. Why? I don't know, I was on a Rome kick. I think I'm going back to Sci-Fi for a while.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:01:45am |
re: #492 researchok
I need to read more fiction.
That's the kind of stud that appeals to me.
It's a young adult series, but has some good history and family relationship truths.
I've totally enjoyed it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:01:53am |
re: #493 researchok
I never saw that. Wish I did.
I was a working fool.
Bet it's on rental DvD. Super quality production.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:03:34am |
re: #495 ggt
It's a young adult series, but has some good history and family relationship truths.
I've totally enjoyed it.
Young adult? The BBC version was about the sexiest and bloodiest thing on over-the-air TV until its time.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:03:53am |
re: #496 Decatur Deb
Bet it's on rental DvD. Super quality production.
Oh yeah! It is.
I might have to re-read The Merchant Bankers to get/remember perspective on current market stuff.
It got really boring, to me, after the first few chapters. UGH! Probably why I don't remember much past the formation of Lloyds of London.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:04:10am |
re: #497 Decatur Deb
Young adult? The BBC version was about the sexiest and bloodiest thing on over-the-air TV until its time.
The Time Thief series, pay attention!
:0
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researchok Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:04:32am |
Time to gird my loins for the daily battle.
I always wanted to say that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:05:19am |
re: #500 researchok
Time to gird my loins for the daily battle.
I always wanted to say that.
expecting a tough day?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:05:27am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:06:46am |
re: #502 Decatur Deb
Ah. Never mind...
Derek Jacobi is a fantastic actor. I loved him in The Cadfael Mysteries. Can't remember who wrote those.
Did you see the Rome HBO series?
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The Left Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:08:29am |
re: #503 ggt
Derek Jacobi is a fantastic actor. I loved him in The Cadfael Mysteries. Can't remember who wrote those.
Did you see the Rome HBO series?
Cadfael= Ellis Peters?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:09:15am |
re: #503 ggt
Derek Jacobi is a fantastic actor. I loved him in The Cadfael Mysteries. Can't remember who wrote those.
Did you see the Rome HBO series?
Saw bits and pieces--I think we were stationed overseas. Tours took a big chunk out of our family's TV and pop culture. (And wife killed HBO in the '80s, after the 'Porky's' festival.)
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The Left Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:09:43am |
re: #491 Decatur Deb
Did you see the BBC series from a decade or two ago? Derek Jacobi and Sian Phillips.
I loved I Claudius! Jacobi was amazing.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:10:22am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:16:55am |
In the I Claudius/Pictish mood:
Roman Wall Blues
Over the heather the wet wind blows,
I've lice in my tunic and a cold in my nose.
The rain comes pattering out of the sky,
I'm a Wall soldier, I don't know why.
The mist creeps over the hard grey stone,
My girl's in Tungria; I sleep alone.
Aulus goes hanging around her place,
I don't like his manners, I don't like his face.
Piso's a Christian, he worships a fish;
There'd be no kissing if he had his wish.
She gave me a ring but I diced it away;
I want my girl and I want my pay.
When I'm a veteran with only one eye
I shall do nothing but look at the sky.
--Auden
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:17:53am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:18:15am |
re: #504 iceweasel
Cadfael= Ellis Peters?
I was thinking Ngaio Marsh, but I think that was the one with the fat guy --can't remember the name. Sexy side-kick guy. Asian chef.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:21:16am |
re: #508 Decatur Deb
In the I Claudius/Pictish mood:
Roman Wall Blues
Over the heather the wet wind blows,
I've lice in my tunic and a cold in my nose.The rain comes pattering out of the sky,
I'm a Wall soldier, I don't know why.The mist creeps over the hard grey stone,
My girl's in Tungria; I sleep alone.Aulus goes hanging around her place,
I don't like his manners, I don't like his face.Piso's a Christian, he worships a fish;
There'd be no kissing if he had his wish.She gave me a ring but I diced it away;
I want my girl and I want my pay.When I'm a veteran with only one eye
I shall do nothing but look at the sky.--Auden
Well, then, you'd like The Medicus.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:23:49am |
re: #482 Decatur Deb
Dog gets a morning walk and an evening walk. Otherwise it's Occupy Kitchen. (75 lb Great Pyr-ish)
That's a man dog!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:24:20am |
re: #511 ggt
I was thinking Ngaio Marsh, but I think that was the one with the fat guy --can't remember the name. Sexy side-kick guy. Asian chef.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:25:30am |
re: #513 ggt
Well, then, you'd like The Medicus.
Sounds cool. I remember a documentary about an effective Roman military hospital at Bath, IIRC.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:27:22am |
re: #517 Decatur Deb
Sounds cool. I remember a documentary about an effective Roman military hospital at Bath, IIRC.
ooh, I'd like to see it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:29:31am |
re: #515 RogueOne
That's a man dog!
Totally gentle wuss, but he thinks he's Neighborhood Watch. A neighbor just put up a large black inflatable cat with claws and teeth, for Halloween. It's about 6-7 feet long, and the head is motorized. Dog does not like the cat.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:30:32am |
re: #518 ggt
ooh, I'd like to see it.
Propbably History Channel or Military Channel. Both do infinite re-runs.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:31:54am |
re: #519 Decatur Deb
Totally gentle wuss, but he thinks he's Neighborhood Watch. A neighbor just put up a large black inflatable cat with claws and teeth, for Halloween. It's about 6-7 feet long, and the head is motorized. Dog does not like the cat.
too funny!
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:31:56am |
re: #519 Decatur Deb
I love big dogs. I have more fun watching my two dogs play, fight, and wrestle than I do watching tv.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:33:08am |
re: #523 RogueOne
I love big dogs. I have more fun watching my two dogs play, fight, and wrestle than I do watching tv.
We have a Cat Overlord that constantly gives us instruction on how to maniupulate the dogs!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:33:33am |
re: #520 iceweasel
Awesome.
re: #522 ggt
too funny!
Here's a product shot:
[Link: cn1.kaboodle.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:35:03am |
re: #525 Decatur Deb
re: #522 ggt
Here's a product shot:
[Link: cn1.kaboodle.com...]
Old Man Dog wouldn't give a shit; Princess Dog would sniff it, probably growl and walk away; Bother Puppy would run for the house. Guns, no problem, scary new things --he is such a wuss!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:36:12am |
re: #526 ggt
Old Man Dog wouldn't give a shit; Princess Dog would sniff it, probably growl and walk away; Bother Puppy would run for the house. Guns, no problem, scary new things --he is such a wuss!
I should probably start calling her Princess Bitch-because she is.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:37:48am |
re: #525 Decatur Deb
re: #522 ggt
Here's a product shot:
[Link: cn1.kaboodle.com...]
A couple of those facing someones front door with scary music playing would be great for April Fools Day. Expensive, but worth it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:38:56am |
re: #528 Cannadian Club Akbar
A couple of those facing someones front door with scary music playing would be great for April Fools Day. Expensive, but worth it.
Great if you catch them early and half-asleep.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:39:31am |
re: #528 Cannadian Club Akbar
A couple of those facing someones front door with scary music playing would be great for April Fools Day. Expensive, but worth it.
You are evil!
:)-yeah, I like it
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:39:55am |
My dogs love motorized toys. My boys favorite is a kids toy, an ambulance. The female will stomp on the top hitting the buttons and the boy howls when the lights flash and the siren goes off. It's hilarious, for awhile. After 10 minutes of howling and siren noises I have to hide it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:42:48am |
re: #531 RogueOne
My dogs love motorized toys. My boys favorite is a kids toy, an ambulance. The female will stomp on the top hitting the buttons and the boy howls when the lights flash and the siren goes off. It's hilarious, for awhile. After 10 minutes of howling and siren noises I have to hide it.
Ours howl just for the experience of howling. Spaniels!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:45:08am |
re: #529 Decatur Deb
Great if you catch them early and half-asleep.
Set up around 3AM. Wake them by banging on the door an hour before their normal time. Wear Kevlar. vest.:)
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:46:14am |
re: #532 ggt
Ours howl just for the experience of howling. Spaniels!
When I play any of the GTA games he'll sit by me and howl at the sirens on the tv. When I play Red Dead she goes nuts over the horses and animals. It gets noisy.
| 536 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:51:46am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Oct 27, 2011 3:58:55am |
Well, I am going to try to sleep now.
Have a great morning!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:08:33am |
This is why Rogue lost his security deposit at his last place.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:13:32am |
re: #538 Cannadian Club Akbar
Knightstown is just down the road from me. I thought I heard the bones were old teaching aids. Everyone knows I save the bones for soup...mmmm, people soup is good eatin'.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:18:54am |
Local News:
IMPD launches internal affairs probe, lieutenant accused of receiving special treatment
Critics say officer got special treatment after he became argumentative and belligerent
[Link: www.fox59.com...]
A resident in the 7300 block of Creekbrook Drive told Fox59 News he became suspicious when he saw a stranger in his neighborhood early Monday morning, so he called police. The stranger turned out to be an IMPD lieutenant and critics say he got special treatment.
Sources told Fox59 News that when officers arrived at 4 a.m., they found the man and a friend sitting in a pickup truck in the parking lot of a townhouse complex where they didn't live. Officers indicated the man, later identified as a police lieutenant, became argumentative and belligerent. Officers determined he had been drinking. They said he identified himself and displayed his badge and service weapon.
.....
Several police officers and defense attorneys contacted by Fox59 News contend the officer got special treatment."If the average citizen became belligerent with the police, it would be almost certain that arrest would follow for either disorderly conduct or possibly trespassing," said Defense Attorney John Tompkins.
"Once ammunition and possibly firearms were seen, there would be handcuffs immediately and removal from the car.
"I've been repeatedly told by police officers that they have significant liability issues when they have a person who smells of alcohol, they believe has been drinking and they're not processed and arrested."
When did it become illegal to get upset when you get hassled by the police for sitting in your truck minding your own business?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:23:00am |
re: #538 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is why Rogue lost his security deposit at his last place.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
"Gruesome Photos"??
What ,,, granny in a tube top??
Uncle Billy showing off his "war wound"???
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:26:28am |
re: #540 RogueOne
If you're sitting in a parking lot of an apartment complex or a place of business and you have no reason to be there, they can ask you to leave or arrest you. And it's probable cause to search you.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:26:34am |
re: #541 Obdicut
When you're drunk and armed.
Good point. OTOH, I believe he's required to keep a weapon on him and the other officer "smelling" alcohol doesn't fly with me. You're always reading stories about the police smelling stuff that turns out not to be there. In my opinion the moment they started asking him questions they were overstepping their legal authority.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:28:13am |
re: #543 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you're sitting in a parking lot of an apartment complex or a place of business and you have no reason to be there, they can ask you to leave or arrest you. And it's probable cause to search you.
A resident at an apartment complex doesn't have that kind of authority. Unless the complex management was involved the officer didn't have any reason to start asking questions.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:28:48am |
re: #544 RogueOne
If you get pulled over at night I'm pretty sure it's SOP for the cop to say "So, how much have you had to drink tonight'? And stoopid people fall for it.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:28:57am |
re: #544 RogueOne
A police officer off-duty is not required to keep a handgun, no.
And it wasn't the police who said the guy smelled of alcohol. It says they determined he'd been drinking.
In my opinion the moment they started asking him questions they were overstepping their legal authority.
How on earth do you figure that? In what possible way is it illegal for a police officer to ask a question?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:30:30am |
re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you get pulled over at night I'm pretty sure it's SOP for the cop to say "So, how much have you had to drink tonight'? And
stoopiddrunk people fall for it.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:32:37am |
re: #543 Cannadian Club Akbar
I read this yesterday:
Woman speaks out about wrongful police raid
[Link: www.wsvn.com...]
A South Florida homeowner is speaking out after her home was ransacked after an alleged police raid.
Kimmie Fuller said Miami-Dade Police ordered her to the floor and demanded to see a dead body last month, but she said she had no idea what police were talking about. "I opened the door, and as I cracked the door, I had a gun pointed at me," said Fuller.
Video was released of a Miami-Dade Police raid in 2009, similar to what the homeowner described. Fuller said more than a dozen police officers armed with guns surrounded her house and went inside. "He started screaming at me: 'Get down, get down, get down,' then came six to eight officers with high-powered machine guns and handguns," said Fuller. "I though I was in a dream. I have never seen a gun before."
....
The frightened homeowner said the officers told her an anonymous caller reported a dead body in her house. Fuller said the officers refused to listen to her. "They continued to scream and hollering and asking me where was the body, and me saying, what body are you talking about? You know there's not a body outside. They asked if the body was outside, and no, there was no body outside. I mean, it was just incredible," she said.
They raided this old ladies home based on an anonymous tip. Until cops have to pay lawsuits out of their pockets and spend some time in jail this kind of behavior isn't going to stop.
| 550 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:38:15am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:40:26am |
re: #549 RogueOne
I read this yesterday:
Woman speaks out about wrongful police raid
[Link: www.wsvn.com...]They raided this old ladies home based on an anonymous tip. Until cops have to pay lawsuits out of their pockets and spend some time in jail this kind of behavior isn't going to stop.
re: #550 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #549 RogueOne
I'm sure the police will send a letter saying "Our Bad". I would have been calling lawyers while the cops were still there.
Put me down for a commie, but I'm betting that wasn't a $300,000 dollar McMansion.
| 552 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:42:42am |
Time stop talking about dog-walking and hit the street. BBL
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:44:07am |
re: #547 Obdicut
A police officer off-duty is not required to keep a handgun, no.
I'm not sure about everywhere but I know the departments my buddy and BiL work for both have that requirement. If they're carrying their badge they have to have their service weapon on them.
And it wasn't the police who said the guy smelled of alcohol. It says they determined he'd been drinking.
How on earth do you figure that? In what possible way is it illegal for a police officer to ask a question?
If no test was offered then the only way they could have determined he had been drinking is by smelling alcohol. The video says there is no evidence he was drunk. They have to have probable cause to stop and question someone and this guy got pissed after being held for an hour. I don't think sitting in your truck in a public space qualifies as probable cause.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:45:16am |
re: #549 RogueOne
MY dad was pulled over by a rookie cop once. Cop took his registration and compared the VIN's between the registration and the car. The VIN on the car had 2 extra numbers that weren't on the registration (was a state thing). My dad explained that he had the plate on the same car for a couple of years. Cop pulled the license plate, told my dad if he kept it up he would end up in jail. My dad called a friend, had to leave the car (surprised they didn't tow it) and went home. Next day my dad called the SO, a Major brought the rookie to my dad's house with the tag and the rookie apologized. Dad told him to get the fuck off of his property.
| 555 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:45:44am |
BTW, how weird is it for me to be the one defending the police? Down with 1/2 The Man!//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:47:07am |
re: #555 RogueOne
BTW, how weird is it for me to be the one defending the police? Down with 1/2 The Man!//
Fuckin' narc.
| 557 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:53:52am |
re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you get pulled over at night I'm pretty sure it's SOP for the cop to say "So, how much have you had to drink tonight'? And stoopid people fall for it.
Speaking of stupid people:
Man caught with 'weed' in pants pocket, 'stem' in rear pocket, 'rock' in hat
[Link: www.nwfdailynews.com...]
CRESTVIEW — A 48-year-old man was arrested Oct. 7 on charges of drug possession, marijuana possession and narcotic equipment possession.
Deputies were called to Edney Avenue when a woman called and stated Lawrence Michael Larimer was intoxicated and walking down the street to buy cocaine, according to his Okaloosa County Sheriff's arrest report.
Deputies found Larimer and asked to speak with them. He agreed and when asked if he had anything illegal on him he said, "just less than an ounce of weed."
He was detained and three items were found on him: an ounce of "weed" in his front pants pocket, a crack "stem" in his rear pants pocket and a crack "rock" in the seam of his hat, the report said.
Dumbass. Notice they asked to talk to him and he agreed. The officers involved did this one correctly.
| 558 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:54:28am |
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]
OK. Dude posed with an adult film star. Young guy, just a mistake. But get these quotes:
Jones claimed that she slept with "more than 10" players, adding that "a couple" of them may have later signed with the agent. She told the Boston radio station she had encounters with Atlanta Braves second baseman Dan Uggla and Phoenix Coyotes player Paul Bissonette (Bissonette has denied Jones' claim).
She said she ended her association with the agent because "I got into a relationship and it was hard to explain why I was going out every night."
You're a fucking porn star!! And your new BF is wondering where the fuck you're going at night? Wow.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:55:16am |
re: #553 RogueOne
I'm not sure about everywhere but I know the departments my buddy and BiL work for both have that requirement. If they're carrying their badge they have to have their service weapon on them.
Then it's still a choice to carry the weapon.
If no test was offered then the only way they could have determined he had been drinking is by smelling alcohol.
Or by asking him, or observing slurred speech. Come on. They wound up giving them rides back to their homes.
They have to have probable cause to stop and question someone and this guy got pissed after being held for an hour.
Where do you see mention of him being held for an hour?
And no, police can question pretty much anyone they want. They're not allowed to detain them without cause. In this case, they do appear to have screwed up in that if the guy was drinking, an arrest would have been more appropriate than driving him home.
But just going up and asking questions is not something cops need a probable cause for in a public space.
| 560 |
laZardo Thu, Oct 27, 2011 4:59:07am |
re: #557 RogueOne
I'm reading and re-reading that and I keep thinking he hid something in his asscrack.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:05:06am |
re: #559 Obdicut
....
Where do you see mention of him being held for an hour?
It's in the video portion
And no, police can question pretty much anyone they want. They're not allowed to detain them without cause. In this case, they do appear to have screwed up in that if the guy was drinking, an arrest would have been more appropriate than driving him home.
But just going up and asking questions is not something cops need a probable cause for in a public space.
No, they can't. They can ask you anything they want but if you aren't free to walk away without answering then it's a Terry stop. In order to detain someone and ask them questions they have to have a reasonable suspicion that a crime is taking (or about to take) place. There has been a minor uproar in NYC over their "Stop and Frisk" practices in part because most of them are illegal.
[Link: www.nyclu.org...]
When you get pulled over the officer is required to limit the investigation to the reason for the stop unless they come up with a reasonable suspicion that something else is going on. If you get pulled over for speeding and the officer asks what you have in your trunk for no other reason than he wants to know, he's violating your rights just by asking the question.
| 562 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:07:46am |
re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar
The only mistake I see Gronkowski making is I don't see any of her co-workers in the picture....
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:08:57am |
re: #561 RogueOne
No, they can't. They can ask you anything they want but if you aren't free to walk away without answering then it's a Terry stop.
Did they detain him from leaving?
There has been a minor uproar in NYC over their "Stop and Frisk" practices in part because most of them are illegal.
That'd be the 'frisk' part.
When you get pulled over the officer is required to limit the investigation to the reason for the stop unless they come up with a reasonable suspicion that something else is going on.
And they officers thought the guy was drinking.
I'm not sure what your problem with this is, exactly. The cops found a guy who they determined to be drunk in a car in a parking lot, not at his own home, who was armed. If they thought he was drunk they can't let him drive home. Their fault in this appears to have been not administering a test, unless he refused it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:09:59am |
re: #562 RogueOne
The only mistake I see Gronkowski making is I don't see any of her co-workers in the picture...
More power to him. What is funny to me is the last line. Any time I think about a porn star and the fact that she has a BF I automatically think of William H. Macy in "Boogie Nights". Heh.
| 566 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:17:09am |
re: #564 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love Macy. Such a damn good actor. It's rare for someone to be able to play both a good and a bad guy that effectively.
| 567 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:21:01am |
re: #563 Obdicut
Did they detain him from leaving?
That'd be the 'frisk' part.
According to him they held him for an hour.
And they officers thought the guy was drinking.
I'm not sure what your problem with this is, exactly. The cops found a guy who they determined to be drunk in a car in a parking lot, not at his own home, who was armed. If they thought he was drunk they can't let him drive home. Their fault in this appears to have been not administering a test, unless he refused it.
My problem is mostly with the expectation that if he got smart mouthed with an officer he should have been arrested. Secondly, I have a problem with the initial stop. There was no reasonable suspicion that he was doing, or about to do, anything illegal. The defense attorneys argument that anyone else would have been arrested for getting upset means they should have done the same to the cop doesn't fly with me. He shouldn't be cheering for the cops to be illegally detaining and arresting people just because the "suspect" is a cop and it happens to his clients all the time.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:22:30am |
I just got a response back from my cop buddy. He's in a suburban dept. outside of Indy. He says his dept and IMPD both say they have to carry their badges and guns when off duty but if they're drinking they're supposed to lock the guns in the trunk of their vehicle.
| 570 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:24:18am |
re: #567 RogueOne
My problem is mostly with the expectation that if he got smart mouthed with an officer he should have been arrested.
Where do you see such an expectation?
Secondly, I have a problem with the initial stop. There was no reasonable suspicion that he was doing, or about to do, anything illegal.
Sure there was. A resident called the police and complained about him trespassing.
What were the cops supposed to do, show up, look at the car, and say "No problem?" They approached, asked questions, and then determined they'd been drinking, after which things change. Unless you're contending that immediately the guy tried to leave and they prevented him.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:28:10am |
Well I guess Scott Ridder is going to jail:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:31:22am |
re: #571 Shropshire_Slasher
Evidence showed that in February 2009, Ritter masturbated on a Web camera and engaged in a sexually graphic online chat with an undercover Barrett Township, Pa., police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.
For sale. Web camera. Slightly used.
///
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darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:40:03am |
re: #572 Cannadian Club Akbar
Evidence showed that in February 2009, Ritter masturbated on a Web camera and engaged in a sexually graphic online chat with an undercover Barrett Township, Pa., police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.
For sale. Web camera. Slightly used.
///
Well, that explains why he didn't find any weapons.
//
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:46:39am |
re: #570 Obdicut
Where do you see such an expectation?
FTA:
"If the average citizen became belligerent with the police, it would be almost certain that arrest would follow for either disorderly conduct or possibly trespassing," said Defense Attorney John Tompkins.
The defense atty is going under the assumption that "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" which, while understandable, is still wrong. If it's wrong to arrest a civilian for "disrespect of cop" then it's wrong to do the same when it's a cop doing the disrespecting.
Sure there was. A resident called the police and complained about him trespassing.
What were the cops supposed to do, show up, look at the car, and say "No problem?" They approached, asked questions, and then determined they'd been drinking, after which things change. Unless you're contending that immediately the guy tried to leave and they prevented him.
FTA:
A resident in the 7300 block of Creekbrook Drive told Fox59 News he became suspicious when he saw a stranger in his neighborhood early Monday morning, so he called police.
They aren't entitled to stop someone and hold them for an hour (according to the video) just because a resident of an apartment complex doesn't recognize him. The man hadn't done anything wrong and there was no reason to believe he was about to do anything wrong. Our society is getting more and more paranoid and the meme "If you see something, say something" isn't helping. If he had seen something illegal (or possibly illegal) and he wanted to call the cops then that would be a different story.
That area of town is known as a redneck/white area. I'd love to know what color the cop turned out to be. I have a hunch there's more to the story but it's not something I can prove until they release more info on the cop they stopped. There's another area close by that has a history of stopping people for DWB. (A couple years ago they made the mistake of stopping a guy who turned out to be a state cop.) I might be a little suspicious of their intent but it's not without cause.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:48:08am |
Morning Lizardim. I see our friendly local anti-Muslim branch of the vast unhinged came unglued yesterday because some people turned out to be willing to stand up to their crap. I love it. Can we get some more of those balls, please?
| 576 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:48:16am |
Just for the record, Scott Ritter is a drama queen douche who just happens to be a perv.
| 577 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:50:07am |
re: #574 RogueOne
FTA:
But that's just the defense attorney saying that, not the cops. And what he's saying is true. He's not defending the behavior, he's talking about the inconsistency of the behavior.
They aren't entitled to stop someone and hold them for an hour (according to the video) just because a resident of an apartment complex doesn't recognize him.
You keep avoiding the whole part where the police decide he was drinking. Why?
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darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:52:59am |
Hayward Fault is still itchy....they just had another 3.6.
| 579 |
Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:53:18am |
Hannity Attacks Obama For Noting Republicans Are Anti-Environment
Here's a clue, GOP, when you say you want less environmental regulations and want to close the EPA you're going to see what?
More pollution. Dirtier air and water.
So simple a caveman can figure it out.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:55:47am |
re: #577 Obdicut
But that's just the defense attorney saying that, not the cops. And what he's saying is true. He's not defending the behavior, he's talking about the inconsistency of the behavior.
I agree that the behavior is inconsistent but like I said before if it's wrong to arrest a civilian for nothing more than getting upset it's still wrong if the suspect is a cop. We shouldn't be calling for the cops to expand their bad behavior just because the guy they're hassling turns out to be a cop.
You keep avoiding the whole part where the police decide he was drinking. Why?
I haven't avoided it. Drinking isn't illegal and there's no evidence he was above the legal limit.
| 581 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:59:13am |
re: #579 Varek Raith
Hannity Attacks Obama For Noting Republicans Are Anti-Environment
Here's a clue, GOP, when you say you want less environmental regulations and want to close the EPA you're going to see what?
More pollution. Dirtier air and water.
So simple a caveman can figure it out.
You're such a pessimist. Surely, if we take away all the regulations, those wholesome and good-hearted corporations will gladly increase their self-regulation of pollutants, out of the kindness of their hearts. Because corporations are people too, am I right?
| 582 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:59:49am |
Anyone else have a verizon phone? They start calling me a week before my bill is even due. That's really annoying.
| 583 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:03:40am |
re: #582 RogueOne
Anyone else have a verizon phone? They start calling me a week before my bill is even due. That's really annoying.
Autopay. I autopay everything now...except my mortgage...I enjoy clicking submit on that fucker.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:04:48am |
re: #580 RogueOne
I haven't avoided it. Drinking isn't illegal and there's no evidence he was above the legal limit.
Well, that's the point I'm making. They should have given him a breathalyzer, unless he refused. And being under the influence while armed and in a car, late at night, somewhere that you don't live?
Again: They drove them home. To me, that means that they thought he'd be under the influence enough to not be able to drive legally.
| 585 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:05:36am |
More local news:
'Right-to-work' plan advances
GOP will pursue legislation that led to walkout this year
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
A committee of Indiana lawmakers voted along party lines Wednesday to put legislation that would prohibit workers from being required to pay union representation fees on the plate for the General Assembly's 2012 session.
....
The divisive issue, which is expected to dominate much of the 2012 General Assembly's debate, sparked a five-week walkout by House Democrats during this year's session. But new fines put in place by the Republican-led legislature make another walkout much less likely.
....
House Minority Leader B. Patrick Bauer, D-South Bend, issued a cryptic response shortly after the vote: "If they choose to continue these radical attacks on working Hoosier families, Indiana House Democrats will reserve the right to respond appropriately."
Here we go again.
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:08:07am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Well, that's the point I'm making. They should have given him a breathalyzer, unless he refused. And being under the influence while armed and in a car, late at night, somewhere that you don't live?
Again: They drove them home. To me, that means that they thought he'd be under the influence enough to not be able to drive legally.
I agree that driving him home was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:09:04am |
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RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:10:18am |
re: #583 darthstar
Autopay. I autopay everything now...except my mortgage...I enjoy clicking submit on that fucker.
I used to on my verizon bill but my bank is ultra-paranoid. They've put holds on my card twice (and issued me new ones) in the last 6 months over what they decided were suspicious charges. Twice in the last 6 months, 3 times in the last year.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:12:20am |
re: #589 RogueOne
I used to on my verizon bill but my bank is ultra-paranoid. They've put holds on my card twice (and issued me new ones) in the last 6 months over what they decided were suspicious charges. Twice in the last 6 months, 3 times in the last year.
The line between being cautious and being paranoid is very, very fine. Your bank? Trampled right over it.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:12:55am |
re: #582 RogueOne
Anyone else have a verizon phone? They start calling me a week before my bill is even due. That's really annoying.
Pay the bill by check and make it out as follows.
| 592 |
RogueOne Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:19:38am |
I have to take off. I was planning on taking the day off but I have a job in KY that they've changed the damn prints on me 4 freaking times. Now I have to scramble and get shit back down to them by tomorrow. Annoying.
Enjoy the day people!
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darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:28:34am |
So we made a conscious decision to watch Survivor this time around - my wife watched it 10 years ago when they first started these things. Apparently, some people are so addicted to the show that they go back and compete multiple times! And "Coach", he'll kill you if you use his real name, a three time veteran and highly manipulative and extremely self-absorbed person has been entertaining as hell. Not that I think he could get a job outside of reality TV, but his use of Jesus as a tool to manipulate a couple of idiots on his team has to be one of the best strategies I've ever seen. It's like watching the Republican party. A bald faced lie followed by a quick prayer and the idiots just fall in line and don't question the obvious bullshit in front of them...because he believes in god. Really smart change on his part...though he does overplay it a bit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:33:13am |
re: #591 publicityStunted
Pay the bill by check and make it out as follows.
I posted that on my FB page. It was then stolen by a couple people. Heh.
| 595 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:36:41am |
re: #593 darthstar
I watched Survivor once. Team won a chicken. Dude didn't secure the chicken and some monitor lizards (I think) got into the storage thingy and ate half of it. Idiot.
| 596 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:37:49am |
re: #595 Cannadian Club Akbar
Having to depend on a group of self-serving strangers is kind of a nightmare for me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:40:42am |
re: #596 Obdicut
Having to depend on a group of self-serving strangers is kind of a nightmare for me.
I would end up killing all of them therefore winning by default.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:41:10am |
re: #596 Obdicut
Having to depend on a group of self-serving strangers is kind of a nightmare for me.
Rule #1 of competing on a reality TV show: No matter how much they try to convince you otherwise, every other person on the show is out to get you. Personally.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:43:13am |
re: #598 thedopefishlives
Rule #1 of competing on a reality TV show: Don't.
The only reality show I'd even consider joining is The Mole, because it makes the mind-fuckery explicit.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:43:39am |
re: #598 thedopefishlives
Rule #1 of competing on a reality TV show: No matter how much they try to convince you otherwise, every other person on the show is out to get you. Personally.
Rule #2
There is no reality in reality television.
| 601 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:43:50am |
re: #597 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would end up killing all of them therefore winning by default.
That would make for an interesting series...
Camera shot 1: "You think we should vote CCA off the island?" (CCA picking up appropriately sized firewood just within earshot)
Tribal council: "Hey, where are Sam and Nellie?"
Camera shot 3: Two bodies washing up against the rocks at the bottom of a cliff.
| 602 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:45:02am |
re: #600 Rightwingconspirator
Rule #2
There is no reality in reality television.
Rule #3 - They're all actors...even you.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:45:39am |
re: #599 Obdicut
Rule #1 of competing on a reality TV show: Don't.
The only reality show I'd even consider joining is The Mole, because it makes the mind-fuckery explicit.
That's the only reality show I actually enjoyed watching. It was good action, and then the reveal at the end was a great hook.
| 604 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:46:26am |
re: #600 Rightwingconspirator
Rule #2
There is no reality in reality television.
WHAT?! Next you're going to tell me that professional wrestling is fake!
| 605 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:48:02am |
re: #603 thedopefishlives
That undercover cop was impressive in his abilities, too. Really interesting character. So was the gay dude. It was almost like an independent film at the end there.
| 606 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:48:17am |
re: #604 thedopefishlives
WHAT?! Next you're going to tell me that professional wrestling is fake!
Geraldo asked that question, once.
*slap*
| 607 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:48:52am |
re: #604 thedopefishlives
WHAT?! Next you're going to tell me that professional wrestling is fake!
Professional wrestling is real. Congress is fake.
| 608 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:49:27am |
| 609 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:50:57am |
re: #605 Obdicut
That undercover cop was impressive in his abilities, too. Really interesting character. So was the gay dude. It was almost like an independent film at the end there.
I'll have to skim through that one on Netflix when I get my streaming box. I remember when it started...I was like, "We know the people on these shows are lying cocksuckers...now we have a show about one?" Figures it would be a better series than the others.
| 610 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:51:29am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:52:30am |
re: #605 Obdicut
That undercover cop was impressive in his abilities, too. Really interesting character. So was the gay dude. It was almost like an independent film at the end there.
I actually kinda liked Anderson Cooper in the host role, too. The whole show just kinda worked on a variety of levels that some of the longer-running, more popular reality series never did, at least to me.
| 612 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:55:52am |
re: #611 thedopefishlives
Yep. It made the metagame the game.
There was also a fucking hilarious reality TV show where porn stars tried to do normal acting, coached by actual theater people. It was really funny watching the drama dudes (where's they find 3 straight drama coaches?) pop boners while try to direct them.
| 613 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:56:01am |
Aw, shit...almost 7am...time to go run the boys...and the cat finally settled down next to me and fell asleep...as my wife has done on the other side...maybe 10 more minutes of internettin'...
| 614 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:00:30am |
re: #576 RogueOne
Just for the record, Scott Ritter is a drama queen douche who just happens to be a REALLY REALLY STUPID perv.
I mean like, who is dumb enough to get punked by a police officer in a chat room?
| 615 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:02:45am |
re: #614 Alouette
I mean like, who is dumb enough to get punked by a police officer in a chat room?
Someone who willingly chats about sex with a 15 year old.
Make that ANYONE who willingly chats about sex with kids.
| 616 |
lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:03:11am |
re: #583 darthstar
Funny, but I do the opposite; I autopay the mortgage and click through on everything else. Chase has a 1% cash back on the mortgage repayment when you autopay. I'll take the money to do what I would do with a click through.
| 617 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:03:21am |
My radio just said 6 of the animals released last week by the guy who shot himself lived. Now his wife wants them back. Um, no.
| 618 |
darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:04:23am |
re: #617 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said 6 of the animals released last week by the guy who shot himself lived. Now his wife wants them back. Um, no.
She can have her husband back...but she has to pay for the taxidermy.
| 619 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:07:40am |
Seven Second Delay: Live Among the 99 PerCenters (MP3, Flash)
/Daily WFMU pimpage
| 621 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:08:47am |
re: #612 Obdicut
There was also a fucking hilarious reality TV show where porn stars tried to do normal acting, coached by actual theater people. It was really funny watching the drama dudes (where's they find 3 straight drama coaches?) pop boners while try to direct them.
| 622 |
Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:11:05am |
And another...
Shell More Than Doubles Profits To $7 Billion
Royal Dutch Shell announced their 2011 third-quarter earnings, reporting profits of $6.98 billion, more than double their profits posted a year ago, bringing their total profits for 2011 to over $21 billion. Below is a quick look at Shell by the numbers...
| 623 |
Lidane Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:11:06am |
Well, this explains a lot:
Herman Cain Campaign Policy For Staff: ‘Do Not Speak To Him Unless You Are Spoken To’
| 624 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:14:06am |
re: #621 000G
Oh, my bad, two of the drama coaches were gay. That probably added to the surreality.
Not actually worth watching, but kind of a laugh.
| 625 |
Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:14:58am |
All of which was the result of inflated crude oil prices as a result of the Libyan conflict. That's quite a scam the oil companies have working here. It's downright brilliant in fact. Record profits and they have a majority voice in how the government is run in the USA. Truly brilliant.
All a result of $4/gallon prices. They raised the price of oil on the commodities market. Oil companies raise price of gasoline claiming that they're having to pay higher prices for crude oil to make gasoline. In order to cover for "loses". Yet in the end they set record profits from it this fake claim. IOW, they're lying.
| 626 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:15:02am |
re: #620 Gus 802
Morning.
Welp. Here it is...
Like clockwork.
Oh, I'm sure that those profits will trickle down to increased wages.
Oh wait a fucking second, that makes no sense, because profits are monies made after wages have been paid.
Hey, could it be that companies pay employees what the market will bear, and not actually based on what they're really worth to the company?
| 627 |
lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:15:47am |
re: #622 Gus 802
And the markets are booming on news of a deal over Greek debt and good numbers from some of the companies making their quarterly figures known.
The most difficult piece of the puzzle proved to be Greece, whose debts the leaders vowed to bring down to 120 percent of its GDP by 2020. Under current conditions, they would have ballooned to 180 percent.
To achieve that massive reduction, private creditors like banks will be asked to accept 50 percent losses on the bonds they hold. The Institute of International Finance, which has been negotiating on behalf of the banks, said it was committed to working out an agreement based on that "haircut," but the challenge now will be to ensure that all private bondholders fall in line.It said the 50 percent cut equals a contribution of €100 billion ($139 billion) to a second rescue for Greece, although the eurozone promised to spend some €30 billion ($42 billion) on guaranteeing the remaining value of the new bonds.
The full program is expected to be finalized by early December and investors are supposed to swap their bonds in January, at which point Greece is likely to become the first euro country ever to be rated at default on its debt.
| 628 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:16:05am |
re: #625 Gus 802
They truly believe they have a right to make a profit. That's what the almost mercantilist system that we have now amounts to.
| 629 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:16:13am |
re: #624 Obdicut
Oh, my bad, two of the drama coaches were gay. That probably added to the surreality.
Not actually worth watching, but kind of a laugh.
Who watched last night "South Park"? They spoofed Broadway musicals (especially "Wicked") and got in a bunch of hints about their own Broadway show which pwn3d everyone.
| 630 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:17:04am |
Alrighty. Going to throw some resumes. BBL.
| 631 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:18:18am |
re: #626 Obdicut
Oh, I'm sure that those profits will trickle down to increased wages.
Oh wait a fucking second, that makes no sense, because profits are monies made after wages have been paid.
Hey, could it be that companies pay employees what the market will bear, and not actually based on what they're really worth to the company?
Wages of ordinary working people will remain the same but spending power will decrease because we have to spend on fuel what we would otherwise spend on other stuff.
Fortunately the highway which I take to work every day has re-opened after being closed for repair all summer, so I don't have to take that 6 mile detour every day.
| 632 |
Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:18:29am |
re: #626 Obdicut
Oh, I'm sure that those profits will trickle down to increased wages.
Oh wait a fucking second, that makes no sense, because profits are monies made after wages have been paid.
Hey, could it be that companies pay employees what the market will bear, and not actually based on what they're really worth to the company?
That's how it always worked. Why in fact the chart prove it! No, wait a minute, they don't. Hmmm. Something isn't adding up here. They make more profits and the 1 percenters keep making more while the rest of us either make less (after adjusting for inflation) or make the same as we did back in the 80s.
Trickle down economics. Reminds me of "tax-cuts make jobs."
| 633 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:19:27am |
re: #628 Obdicut
Not mercantilist. That's totally wrong. I need more coffee.
| 634 |
lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:20:33am |
This is the modern campaign program for the GOP: campaign first, ideas later? Well, that's certainly the case with Perry, whose campaign is coming apart at the seams and only belatedly proffered a flat tax proposal after Cain came out with his nein/nein/nein plan.
And these guys were all complaining when Obama came onto the scene with hope and change, but no experience or much in the way of a plan? They think that they have to outdo each other with vaporware as a party platform?
That's a winning ticket?
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| 635 |
makeitstop Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:21:22am |
re: #623 Lidane
Well, this explains a lot:
Herman Cain Campaign Policy For Staff: ‘Do Not Speak To Him Unless You Are Spoken To’
Avert your gaze!!
/
Mornin', Lizards.
| 636 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:21:56am |
re: #628 Obdicut
They truly believe they have a right to make a profit. That's what the almost mercantilist system that we have now amounts to.
That is exactly what BofA said to justify their new debit card surcharge on people who actually live within their means.
| 637 |
lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:24:58am |
Multiple reports of executions and human rights violations in Libya; some may have been carried out by rebel forces, but others may have been Khadafi loyalists murdering opposition.
| 638 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:26:31am |
re: #634 lawhawk
The way I see it, the GOP has been nosing towards this situation for years. For decades. They've had ample opportunity to turn away from it, but they haven't. Trickle down didn't work the first time; the GOP had a chance to regain sanity with Bush the Elder. They failed to take that chance. They had a chance to say no to Lee Atwater's divisive, racist, and polarizing campaign tactis. They failed to take that chance. They had a chance to garner the support of the socially conservative Catholic Hispanics, Muslims of all backgrounds, and black evangelicals and charismatics, especially after G. W. Bush. They not only failed to take that chance, they turned around and spat all over it, kicked it in the ribs, and pissed on it.
They had a chance to be the party of science, the party that demanded real results and championed real application of science, since there's plenty of woo-woo and untested methods on the Democratic side of the aisle. Instead, they decided to deny science in every possible way, the importance of science, the validity of it, the connection of it to our economy.
I cannot name a single issue over the past two decades that the GOP have done better on than the Democrats. That is sad. Theirs is a history of blown chances, often perversely so.
| 639 |
Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:27:23am |
Many angles here...
So. If Obama's so bad at the poor little oil companies how come Exxon just set record profits? That's some "Commie" we have here.
Republicans must think people are stupid.
| 640 |
Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:28:45am |
re: #637 lawhawk
Multiple reports of executions and human rights violations in Libya; some may have been carried out by rebel forces, but others may have been Khadafi loyalists murdering opposition.
Yep. Also consider their treatment of African refugees. By "their" I am talking about the replacement crew, i.e. the rebels and their associated factions.
| 641 |
Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:29:15am |
re: #639 Gus 802
The support that the GOP has enjoyed over the past decade has been built on irreality. I can't really fault them for continuing to push the envelope on that to the point that they're now advocating raising taxes on the middle class and poor while decreasing them for the ultra-wealthy. This is the logical outcome of the arguments they've been making over the past decade. It may be that people are actually waking up to the fundamental problem of that argument. But why now? I don't really have an answer to that.
| 642 |
makeitstop Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:29:26am |
| 643 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:29:50am |
re: #639 Gus 802
Republicans must think people are stupid.
They don't think it, they know it. And so far, they've been right.
| 644 |
Interesting Times Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:29:58am |
re: #639 Gus 802
Republicans must think people are stupid.
And why shouldn't they, given how much voters have let them get away with over the years? :/
| 646 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:32:18am |
Do you know who's watching you?
| 647 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:32:30am |
re: #625 Gus 802
All of which was the result of inflated crude oil prices as a result of the Libyan conflict. That's quite a scam the oil companies have working here. It's downright brilliant in fact. Record profits and they have a majority voice in how the government is run in the USA. Truly brilliant.
All a result of $4/gallon prices. They raised the price of oil on the commodities market. Oil companies raise price of gasoline claiming that they're having to pay higher prices for crude oil to make gasoline. In order to cover for "loses". Yet in the end they set record profits from it this fake claim. IOW, they're lying.
The price of oil has about as much bearing on the modern gasoline market as the price of tea in China. The majority of what we pay in gasoline prices are taxes and "operating costs" - which, those are whatever the oil companies say they are, not necessarily what the books show. It's sickening, but there's nothing we the consumers can do about it. Well, aside from reduce our fuel usage to the point where America becomes a net exporter of gasoline.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:34:41am |
re: #638 Obdicut
They had a chance to say no to Lee Atwater's divisive, racist, and polarizing campaign tactis. They failed to take that chance.
Not only did they fail to take the chance, they dove headfirst in the opposite direction, creating an entire "news" network that is based around Lee Atwater's divisive, racist, and polarizing campaign tactics. They've been feeding people Atwater's ideas on a daily basis for years now.
I cannot name a single issue over the past two decades that the GOP have done better on than the Democrats. That is sad. Theirs is a history of blown chances, often perversely so.
Seriously. I can't think of anything either. And it's not like the Dems have done everything right, either. They've made a shit ton of mistakes along the way, but the GOP just keep pandering to the crazy and stupid to win elections.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:35:32am |
Steve Jobs: What an Asshole...
One highlight:
Steve Jobs drove his Mercedes around without a license plate, and parked in handicapped spots.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:37:05am |
Morning all.
Every morning when I watch local news,
this crap comes on, and I'm pissed off for an hour. The hubby works for the government to make sure that our local bridges don't kill us. Believe me, we pay. 43% more my foot ! This is pure dishonesty.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:38:39am |
re: #649 000G
Steve Jobs: What an Asshole...
One highlight:
That's a story straight out of this song:
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:39:00am |
re: #647 thedopefishlives
Okay, I misspoke. Crude oil actually makes up ~70% of the gasoline price. That's ~30% left between the government and the oil company. When you think about the volume of sale, though, that adds up real quick.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:39:54am |
re: #647 thedopefishlives
The price of oil has about as much bearing on the modern gasoline market as the price of tea in China. The majority of what we pay in gasoline prices are taxes and "operating costs" - which, those are whatever the oil companies say they are, not necessarily what the books show. It's sickening, but there's nothing we the consumers can do about it. Well, aside from reduce our fuel usage to the point where America becomes a net exporter of gasoline.
Sounds like an anti-trust probe is warranted. If not some other kind of investigation. The American people wound up paying higher prices for gasoline with the resulting rise in prices for food and other goods and services. All to the detriment of the recovery and most importantly, it effected the spending capacity of the American people. All for the benefit of a small minority of people and the petroleum industry. The bottom line here is that petroleum industry artificially inflated gasoline prices for their benefit. Just another in a long line of the corporate hoodwinking of America.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:43:00am |
re: #639 Gus 802
Record profits from the oil companies should also mean more tax revenues for the feds, but I'd have to dig into the financials to see just how much they paid.
And lo and behold for Exxon (XOM):
Income taxes (in millions)
3Q 2011 3Q 2010 9 mo 2011 9 mo 2010
8,009 5,297 23,734 15,750
Total taxes
27,577 22,540 81,322 65,347
According to their filings, they paid $27 billion in taxes in 3Q 2011 on their total revenue of $125.3 billion; total costs were $106 billion, leaving gross profit of $18.6 billion. The $8.009 billion was taxes paid on the $18.6 billion profit.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:43:06am |
The Freepers and wingnuts just had their Christmas shopping dilemmas solved:
Bizarre Anti-Welfare Board Game Re-Released With ‘Obozo The Marxist Clown’
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:46:57am |
re: #652 thedopefishlives
Okay, I misspoke. Crude oil actually makes up ~70% of the gasoline price. That's ~30% left between the government and the oil company. When you think about the volume of sale, though, that adds up real quick.
People have to buy fuel just like they have to buy food. Even more so, the price of fuel drives the price of everything else because fuel is necessary to transport goods.
The government should control this essential commodity. Period.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:47:08am |
re: #654 lawhawk
Record profits from the oil companies should also mean more tax revenues for the feds, but I'd have to dig into the financials to see just how much they paid.
And lo and behold for Exxon (XOM):
According to their filings, they paid $27 billion in taxes in 3Q 2011 on their total revenue of $125.3 billion; total costs were $106 billion, leaving gross profit of $18.6 billion. The $8.009 billion was taxes paid on the $18.6 billion profit.
I trust Exxon's tax reports as much as I trust some drug dealer on Colfax. But even if this was 100 percent true I don't want more tax revenue from Exxon. Essentially then those taxes that Exxon paid was from the American people who helped Exxon see higher profits. It's almost a regressive tax on the American people. American's paid higher prices for gasoline which went to Exxon who in turn give it back to the American government. And who pays for this in the end? The majority of the American people whose earnings continue to plummet.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:49:16am |
Wall Street Isn’t Winning It’s Cheating
The point being: we have a massive police force in America that outside of lower Manhattan prosecutes crime and imprisons citizens with record-setting, factory-level efficiency, eclipsing the incarceration rates of most of history’s more notorious police states and communist countries.
But the bankers on Wall Street don’t live in that heavily-policed country. There are maybe 1000 SEC agents policing that sector of the economy, plus a handful of FBI agents. There are nearly that many police officers stationed around the polite crowd at Zucotti park.
These inequities are what drive the OWS protests. People don’t want handouts. It’s not a class uprising and they don’t want civil war — they want just the opposite. They want everyone to live in the same country, and live by the same rules. It’s amazing that some people think that that’s asking a lot.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:49:40am |
re: #652 thedopefishlives
Okay, I misspoke. Crude oil actually makes up ~70% of the gasoline price. That's ~30% left between the government and the oil company. When you think about the volume of sale, though, that adds up real quick.
And don't make the brush too broad. Not all oil companies drill their own crude. A number buy their crude on contract and are simply refiners and/or marketers. So a rise in crude prices screws them as much as anyone else since all their profit is based on the margins between crude prices and the approximate wholesale price of the refined products (after the various fixed costs are taken into account.)
And as I have mentioned before there are also often incentives to not produce gasoline in the refinery if other products (such as avgas) are a more profitable way to break up and refine a barrel of crude.
(Former employee of a chemical and refining company that sold gasoline among other things.)
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:49:52am |
re: #655 Lidane
That's sick. What kind of person finds this remotely funny? I mean i know what kind, but just...damn.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:51:16am |
re: #655 Lidane
The Freepers and wingnuts just had their Christmas shopping dilemmas solved:
Bizarre Anti-Welfare Board Game Re-Released With ‘Obozo The Marxist Clown’
Yep. And guess who is part of this stupidity?
Robert Bowie Johnson.
That might ring a bell with some people. His book was praised by Texas SBOE's McLeroy.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:51:58am |
BTW, all those national parks Teddy Roosevelt created, and all that federal land? Totally unconstitutional! Who knew?
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:52:26am |
re: #657 Gus 802
But that's the logic that the GOP is pushing to drive down corporate taxes since every product a company produces is essentially passed on to the end-user. In this case, XOM is producing, refining, and selling oil. How is that different than a piece of software? Both are considered tangible personal property. The company producing it is taxed on its revenues from sales of that property. Oil is burned, and software is used.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:52:42am |
re: #662 Gus 802
Yep. And guess who is part of this stupidity?
Robert Bowie Johnson.
That might ring a bell with some people. His book was praised by Texas SBOE's McLeroy.
McLeroy Endorses Idiotic Anti-Evolution Book
Posted on: March 20, 2009 9:16 AM, by Ed Brayton
To show you just how ridiculous Texas Board of Education chairman Don McLeroy is, take a look at this report from the Texas Freedom Network on a book he recently endorsed.
Is that the sort of message Chairman Don McLeroy and his cohorts on the State Board of Education have in mind for Texas science classrooms if they succeed in their campaign to shoehorn "weaknesses" of evolution back into the science curriculum standards? That's certainly the message of a new book McLeroy is now endorsing.
Dr. McLeroy - noting his position as board chair - recently wrote a glowing recommendation of Sowing Atheism: The National Academy of Sciences' Sinister Scheme to Teach Our Children They're Descended from Reptiles by Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr. (The new book is self-published.)
That would be the same Bowie behind the "Obozo" board game that TPM mentioned this morning.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:54:18am |
re: #30 freetoken
The answer to these type of questions can only be, as far as I can tell, be addressed by something no one wants: global governance.
the alternative is what he have been having for quite a long time in international relations: Anarchy.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:54:27am |
re: #664 lawhawk
But that's the logic that the GOP is pushing to drive down corporate taxes since every product a company produces is essentially passed on to the end-user. In this case, XOM is producing, refining, and selling oil. How is that different than a piece of software? Both are considered tangible personal property. The company producing it is taxed on its revenues from sales of that property. Oil is burned, and software is used.
Well. We are robbing Peter to pay Paul here. I'd rather see that money go to the American people. I don't think we can justify higher prices for fuel using the argument that "well those profits go to pay Federal taxes" so we needn't worry.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:55:00am |
re: #664 lawhawk
Oil is a commodity, the computer is a good. That's a significant difference.
I'm personally a fan of 0% taxation of corporations-- but that's along with a severe change to corporate personhoood and a capital gains rate tied to the inflation rate but otherwise as high as personal income tax.
Taxation on corporation is something I want reduced not because they have to pass the shots down to the consumers-- which they don't-- but because they will spend enormous amounts of money gaming the system to avoid that taxation.
Instead, I'd much rather have a simplified, highly progressive tax code that taxed income when it went to individuals.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:56:17am |
re: #667 Gus 802
Well. We are robbing Peter to pay Paul here. I'd rather see that money
go tostay with the American people. I don't think we can justify higher prices for fuel using the argument that "well those profits go to pay Federal taxes" so we needn't worry.
Make that, "I'd rather see that money go to stay with the American people."
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:56:46am |
My friends went over in Israel last week to see their son graduate IDF tank school. This is what they are experiencing...
Rockets fired from Gaza into Israel
Israel said its Air Force struck three targets in the Gaza Strip Thursday in retaliation for rockets fired from Hamas-controlled territory into southern Israel.
The air strikes came after three Grad rockets were fired from Gaza into the Ashdod and Bnei Aish areas shortly before midnight Wednesday, The Jerusalem Post reported.
The rockets landed in open territories and no injuries were reported.
Sirens could be heard in in Yavne, Gedera, Rehovot, Nes Ziona and Ashdod, the Post said.
Yes, they are in that area.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:57:08am |
Wow, a client's check bounced. That's a first time. That really sucks.
My fault, really. I should have gotten it up front, since the client was a tiny little company with no history. Lesson learned.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:58:00am |
re: #654 lawhawk
Record profits from the oil companies should also mean more tax revenues for the feds, but I'd have to dig into the financials to see just how much they paid.
And lo and behold for Exxon (XOM):
According to their filings, they paid $27 billion in taxes in 3Q 2011 on their total revenue of $125.3 billion; total costs were $106 billion, leaving gross profit of $18.6 billion. The $8.009 billion was taxes paid on the $18.6 billion profit.
Don't forget to offset for government oil subsidies. I'd be interested to see how much of a return we get on our money.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:58:49am |
re: #47 garhighway
I've often wondered why we can't pass a law that says we'll impose a tariff on imported goods equal to what it would take for the manufacturer to comply with our environmental and labor laws in the country of manufacture.
Because that would raise prices tremendously and significantly reduce the standard of living in the industrialized nations?
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 7:59:51am |
re: #663 Lidane
Except that the Constitution itself says the exact opposite - that the federal govenrment has the right to dispose of territory as it deems necessary.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Since Congress enacted the NPS Organic Act in 1916 to manage National Park lands, it's a lawful venture.
His beef is all the other federal land, and the restrictions the feds place on those lands - even though much of it is used by ranchers at below market rate (to encourage said ranching).
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:01:43am |
re: #674 lawhawk
He's wrong about the law, wrong about the facts, and wrong about the history. And has no inclination to actually understand the issue.
Typical GOP congressman these days.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:02:10am |
re: #668 Obdicut
Oil is a commodity and a computer is a good - but both are considered tangible personal property for purposes of the tax codes around the country - and therefore taxable as such.
Other than that, I'd agree with what you wrote.
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allegro Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:03:30am |
re: #673 000G
Because that would raise prices tremendously and significantly reduce the standard of living in the industrialized nations?
I guess that would depend on your definition of "standard of living" wouldn't it. Is the standard of living based on fair wages, clean environment, and such? Or is is based on the cheap prices of cell phones and video games?
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:05:07am |
re: #673 000G
Because that would raise prices tremendously and significantly reduce the standard of living in the industrialized nations?
Only in the short term. But yes, that is why we don't do it. It's not a good reason. And we could counter that by actually focusing on sustainable industry here in the US.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:07:40am |
Page pimp!
I also included a video of Aasif Mandvi interviewing perhaps one of the most offensively, willfully stupid Republican analysts in existence today.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:10:27am |
re: #672 Killgore Trout
Don't forget to offset for government oil subsidies. I'd be interested to see how much of a return we get on our money.
Both in tax breaks and in infrastructure support through the Department of Energy and other agencies. We also would have to include the defense budget for Naval operations in and around the OPEC nations. Additionally, it might be possible to monetize oil company opposition to climate change regulations for future loses. Odds are, if climate change predictions come to fruition, the oil companies will owe a debt to society that they will unable to repay once these changes become irreversible.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:12:16am |
re: #677 allegro
I guess that would depend on your definition of "standard of living" wouldn't it. Is the standard of living based on fair wages, clean environment, and such? Or is is based on the cheap prices of cell phones and video games?
Not necessarily an either-or question.
Although I do believe the problems are more with the fairness and accuracy of prices than with the moral defensibility of consumption.
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allegro Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:13:23am |
re: #679 publicityStunted
Page pimp!
I also included a video of Aasif Mandvi interviewing perhaps one of the most offensively, willfully stupid Republican analysts in existence today.
Oh man I so wanted to slap the snot outa that stupid woman! LOL
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:16:11am |
Other costs.
Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA)
On March 24, 1989, the Exxon Valdez spilled over 11 million gallons of Alaskan crude into the water of Prince William Sound. There were many lessons learned the aftermath of the Valdez oil spill. Two of the most obvious were:
• The United States lacked adequate resources, particularly Federal funds, to respond to spills, and
• The scope of damages compensable under federal law to those impacted by a spill was fairly narrow.
Although the environmental damage and massive cleanup efforts were the most visible effects of this casualty, one of the most important outcomes was the enactment of the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA), which addressed both these deficiencies.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:18:48am |
re: #682 allegro
Oh man I so wanted to slap the snot outa that stupid woman! LOL
You and me both! Or perhaps, the next time she complains of a medical problem, just give her some of these :P
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allegro Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:19:46am |
re: #683 Gus 802
Other costs.
I was watching on the news a couple of days ago that shrimpers are coming in empty handed this season on the Gulf Coast. It's very, very bad. Couldn't have anything to do with that little problem with BP last year could it? We also have a major Red Tide at the moment off the coast of Texas that is poisoning the oysters, prompting a total ban on Texas oysters. Red Tides happen now and then for different reasons. Just sayin'.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:21:26am |
And Exxon is still resisting on the Valdez.
Oil from Exxon Valdez spill still an environmental threat
Posted on October 10, 2011 by Bob Berwyn
ExxonMobil tries to avoid paying for new remediation efforts
By Summit Voice
SUMMIT COUNTY — Federal scientists say oil from the Exxon Valdez spill more than 20 years ago is still affecting coastal ecosystems in Alaska and requires more restoration efforts — But Exxon (now ExxonMobil) attorneys are asking a federal court to release the company from any additional financial liability for the spill.
According to recent documents filed with U.S. District Court in Alaska, some of the oil that gushed from the busted tanker is degrading more slowly than anticipated and remains as a toxic exposure threat to to sea otters, harlequin ducks and other animals using intertidal habitats.
According to the latest court filings, discovery of the oil raises several questions that must be addressed before finalizing the details of a restoration plan, including the location and extent of the oil, factors limiting natural degradation and a quest for new technologies to accelerate the degradation and dispersal of the residue.
Continues.
The Exxon Valdez oil spill took place 22 years ago.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:24:20am |
Economic and personal impact - Exxon Valdez
In 1991, following the collapse of the local marine population (particularly clams, herring, and seals) the Chugach Alaska Corporation, an Alaska Native Corporation, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. It has since recovered.
According to several studies funded by the state of Alaska, the spill had both short-term and long-term economic effects. These included the loss of recreational sports, fisheries, reduced tourism, and an estimate of what economists call "existence value", which is the value to the public of a pristine Prince William Sound.
The economy of the city of Cordova, Alaska was adversely affected after the spill damaged stocks of salmon and herring in the area. Several residents, including one former mayor, committed suicide after the spill.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:26:07am |
re: #686 Gus 802
Which is part of why corporate personhood is dangerous in its current form. If you can just delay the corporation taking responsibility, you can get out and not have to face the consequences for it.
That Massey mine CEO deliberately sidelined safety regulations to make money. Miners died. I have a big problem with that. And what'd he do? He retired. Massey was sold to another company. An investigation is up but now it's going to be even more tangled.
People died in order to make more money for shareholders. Same thing with BP. And it will keep happening, and keep happening, and keep happening.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:26:57am |
Then you have the respiratory impact of burning fossil fuels. Underground water contamination. Foreign influence and dirty deeds such as in Nigeria, Chad, and Liberia.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:30:11am |
Can you imagine today's Republicans signing on to the Oil Pollution Act of 1990?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:32:15am |
re: #690 Gus 802
Can you imagine today's Republicans signing on to the Oil Pollution Act of 1990?
They would've congratulated Exxon on finding a new and novel way to offload their oil to shore.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:33:39am |
re: #690 Gus 802
Can you imagine today's Republicans signing on to the Oil Pollution Act of 1990?
But that liability is capped at 75 million dollars. Remember how this came up during the BP oil spill. 75 million in current times is effectively a joke for large scale oil spills.
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allegro Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:35:48am |
This is reminding me of an aggravating conversation I had with a teatard mentality person a couple of years ago. I said I didn't shop at WalMart because I didn't want my money supporting what I believe to be immoral practices. She said "What have you got against low prices?" I wasted my breath trying to explain to this brick wall about REAL costs, about how taxes subsidize those cheap prices in infrastructure; years of grace periods many municipalities give the corporation to not have to pay the millions of dollars in sales taxes they collect (while small businesses get no such generous gifts); food stamps and medical care that have to be picked up because of WalMart keeping employees at part-time minimum wage with no benefits; the number of small and family businesses wiped out soon after a WalMart arrives in the neighborhood, etc. That doesn't even cover the big businesses trashed, the slave labor, on and on.
Cheap prices are never cheap when it's all factored.
/rant off
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:36:55am |
re: #693 allegro
This is reminding me of an aggravating conversation I had with a teatard mentality person a couple of years ago. I said I didn't shop at WalMart because I didn't want my money supporting what I believe to be immoral practices. She said "What have you got against low prices?" I wasted my breath trying to explain to this brick wall about REAL costs, about how taxes subsidize those cheap prices in infrastructure; years of grace periods many municipalities give the corporation to not have to pay the millions of dollars in sales taxes they collect (while small businesses get no such generous gifts); food stamps and medical care that have to be picked up because of WalMart keeping employees at part-time minimum wage with no benefits; the number of small and family businesses wiped out soon after a WalMart arrives in the neighborhood, etc. That doesn't even cover the big businesses trashed, the slave labor, on and on.
Cheap prices are never cheap when it's all factored.
/rant off
I don't shop at Walmart because they suck.
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allegro Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:38:02am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:38:56am |
re: #694 Alouette
I don't shop at Walmart because they suck.
This, pretty much. Although we don't have many Wal-marts around here, anyway. Since Target's headquarters is in downtown Minneapolis, there's not a lot of room even for Sam Walton to horn in.
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:43:57am |
re: #694 Alouette
I don't shop at Walmart because they suck.
THe price savings of a lot of products at Wal-Mart, especially electronics, are because though it's the same model, whatever it is-- say a TV-- has had less quality assurance testing done on it, and often the sub-components have had fewer QA rounds as well. The products really are inferior.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:48:17am |
Exxon shenanigans aside. It's a bad day for the Republican presidential hopefuls and wingnut bloggers.
US economic growth up on spending
US shares join world markets in eurozone deal rally
UN Security Council votes to end Libya operations
INDEXDJX:.DJI
12,138.89
+269.85 (2.27%)
Might be time for the wingnuts to go to Plan "B". Perhaps a board game will do the trick.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:49:46am |
What goes up must come down.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:54:44am |
re: #700 000G
It's not much of an up -- considering how low we sit after the crash of 2008 -- but it's something. I would say it's rather significant and if it can give someone like me a reason to hope that should say something. :) The end of hostilities in Libya was supposed to bring back some stability. As is the pending deal to resolve the Eurozone crisis.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:55:13am |
re: #699 Gus 802
There may be a glimmer of hope here.
Just a drive-by here...
I'm liking the Dems' messaging that seems to be taking shape:
Taking aim at the 'Republican Congress'
Public revulsion towards Congress has reached levels unseen since the dawn of modern polling. Of course the parties are going to want voters to think the other side is in charge. It’s exactly why Republican John Boehner has said — several thousand times (literally) — that Democrats “run Washington,” even though he’s the Speaker of the House.
But in the case of the “Republican Congress,” Dems have at least have a plausible case to make. There’s obviously a large GOP majority in the House, and thanks to Republican obstructionism and abuses, the Senate has effectively become a 60-vote chamber — and the Democratic caucus has 53 members.
Dems are in the majority only to the extent that they have the luxury of picking which bills Republicans will kill and which nominees Republicans will block.
It’s why Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) had no qualms the other day saying about Congress, “Democrats aren’t in charge.”
It's a smart bit of spin - if Republicans who are already in office can rail against 'politicians in Washington,' then calling these obstructionist assholes the 'Republican Congress' is fair game.
Hang the gridlock around their necks, I say.
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blueraven Thu, Oct 27, 2011 8:56:00am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:00:56am |
re: #702 Gus 802
The business cycle is an infinite regression of Ouroboroi.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:03:21am |
re: #705 000G
The business cycle is an infinite regression of Ouroboroi.
Well yeah. The economy will recover and it will require us building yet another bubble that will burst in the future. Thus the cycle of boom and bust continues. While we may recover in the short term the system is still broken.
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recusancy Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:12:07am |
re: #705 000G
The business cycle is an infinite regression of Ouroboroi.
Yeah, the consumption based business cycle definitely is. Entropy will win in the end.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:16:14am |
Interesting. The microwave here also interferes with my wifi connection.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:19:42am |
re: #708 Gus 802
You may want to clean the microwave's door seal, leaking radiation?!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:20:50am |
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:21:43am |
re: #709 Shropshire_Slasher
You may want to clean the microwave's door seal, leaking radiation?!
It's about 30 feet away. Had another one that would do that in California which was about 20 feet away. Might be something in the frequency. Hence the usual FCC labeling.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:21:50am |
re: #708 Gus 802
Interesting. The microwave here also interferes with my wifi connection.
Yie! In the immortal words of Fee Waybill, don't watch the food cook...
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sattv4u2 Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:25:35am |
re: #713 Gus 802
You weren't supposed to tell anyone!
You weren't supposed to take off your mittens and socks!
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:28:21am |
re: #714 sattv4u2
You weren't supposed to take off your mittens and socks!
My left foot is just one giant big toe!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:30:14am |
re: #715 Gus 802
Microwave oven interrupts Wi-Fi
Interesting.
Yeah, a microwave is essentially constructed to be a Faraday cage for food. While I don't know about causing cancer, a leaking microwave will certainly boil your innards if you make a habit of being too close to it.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:32:15am |
As it was explained to me, if food particles get stuck between the door seal it could leak radiation.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:32:23am |
re: #717 thedopefishlives
Yeah, a microwave is essentially constructed to be a Faraday cage for food. While I don't know about causing cancer, a leaking microwave will certainly boil your innards if you make a habit of being too close to it.
I typically throw the entrée or cheapo burrito in the MW and walk away.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:34:38am |
Form Cisco:
In reality, the many other types of devices emitting in the unlicensed band dwarf the number of 802.11 devices. These devices include microwave ovens, cordless phones, Bluetooth devices, wireless video cameras, outdoor microwave links, wireless game controllers, Zigbee devices, fluorescent lights, WiMAX, and so on. Even bad electrical connections can cause broad RF spectrum emissions. These non-802.11 types of interference typically don't work cooperatively with 802.11 devices, and can cause significant loss of throughput. In addition, they can cause secondary effects such as rate back-off, in which retransmissions caused by interference trick the 802.11 devices into thinking that they should use lower data rates than appropriate.
and
For example, microwave ovens emit interference on a 50 percent duty cycle (as they cycle on and off with the 60-Hz AC power). This means that a microwave oven operating at the same frequency as one of your 802.11 access points can reduce the effective throughput and capacity of your access by 50 percent. So, if your access point was designed to achieve 24 Mbps, it may now be reduced to 12 Mbps in the vicinity of the microwave when it operates. If your only application on the WLAN is convenience data networking (for example, Web surfing), this loss of throughput may not be immediately obvious. But as you add capacity and latency-sensitive applications such as voice over Wi-Fi your network, controlling the impact of interference will become a critical issue.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:36:07am |
Also.
Electromagnetic interference at 2.4 GHz
Microwave oven
Microwave ovens operate by emitting a very high power signal in the 2.4 GHz band. Older devices have poor shielding, and often emit a very "dirty" signal over the entire 2.4 GHz band.
This can cause considerable difficulties to Wi-Fi and Video senders, resulting in reduced range or complete blocking of the signal.
The IEEE 802.11 committee that developed the Wi-Fi specification conducted an extensive investigation into the interference potential of microwave ovens. A typical microwave oven uses a self-oscillating vacuum power tube called a magnetron and a high voltage power supply with a half wave rectifier (often with voltage doubling) and no DC filtering. This produces an RF pulse train with a duty cycle below 50% as the tube is completely off for half of every AC mains cycle: 8.33 ms in 60 Hz countries and 10 ms in 50 Hz countries.
This property gave rise to a Wi-Fi "microwave oven interference robustness" mode that segments larger data frames into fragments each small enough to fit into the oven's "off" periods.
The 802.11 committee also found that although the instantaneous frequency of a microwave oven magnetron varies widely over each half AC cycle with the instantaneous supply voltage, at any instant it is relatively coherent, i.e., it occupies only a narrow bandwidth. The 802.11a/g signal is inherently robust against such interference because it uses OFDM with error correction information interleaved across the carriers; as long as only a few carriers are wiped out by strong narrow band interference, the information in them can be regenerated by the error correcting code from the carriers that do get through.
There will be a quiz on Monday.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:39:29am |
Researchers at the Norwegian Institute of Air Research examined radiation monitoring stations throughout Japan and the rest of the globe, extrapolating their findings from initial radiation-release estimates. They say the amount of cesium-137, a long-lived isotope that persists in the atmosphere, was about twice as high as the Japanese government’s official estimate. That number (3.5 × 1016 bequerel, for those of you keeping track) is about half the emission from Chernobyl.
The researchers also say about 20 percent of the total fallout landed over Japan, but the vast majority fell over the Pacific Ocean. (The effects of this fallout on fisheries and aquatic wildlife are still being determined.)
The Fukushima Daiichi power plant, you’ll recall, shut down after the devastating earthquake and tsunami that wracked Japan March 11. The tsunami knocked out backup power needed to keep the plant’s six reactors cool, and the active reactors overheated, venting hydrogen gas in a series of explosions. These explosions started fires and also exposed a pool containing spent fuel rods from reactor No. 4. The rods started heating up, releasing a radioactive isotope called cesium-137, among other radionuclides.Cesium-137 emissions peaked three or four days after the quake and tsunami, remaining high until March 19, according to this new study. That’s the day authorities started spraying water on the spent-fuel pool at reactor unit 4, the researchers note. “This indicates that emissions were not only coming from the damaged reactor cores, but also from the spent-fuel pool of unit 4 and confirms that the spraying was an effective countermeasure,” they say. This contradicts Japanese government reports claiming the pools released no radiation, as Nature News points out.
They pin the discrepancies as monitoring leak with eye to Japan versus overall radiation leaked worldwide that tracked out over the Pacific, and note that had the TEPCO/government started throwing water on the coolant ponds sooner, they could have significantly reduced the emissions.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:40:05am |
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darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:40:51am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:40:53am |
re: #513 ggt
Well, then, you'd like The Medicus.
I liked that. The girl is a bit of a random character, but it was fun.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:41:43am |
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darthstar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:42:34am |
re: #715 Gus 802
Microwave oven interrupts Wi-Fi
Interesting.
I put my wifi hub in the TV room. Why people put it in the microwave is beyond me.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:42:39am |
re: #727 Alouette
That explains why my cell phone is useless in the kitchen.
My old story was that I used to be able to turn off my brother's stereo (bedroom was next to mine) with a Panasonic typewriter. :)
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:47:04am |
Snowing here, Lake George, NY. No panic run on the grocery store...yet
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:50:37am |
re: #733 Shropshire_Slasher
Snowing here, Lake George, NY. No panic run on the grocery store...yet
Sigh. The Northeast is getting an unusually early snow, and here in the wild north country, we're still simmering in 50-degree days. Curse you, climate change, etc., etc.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:51:51am |
re: #733 Shropshire_Slasher
OWS Albany is probably getting a bit of the white stuff too. And the City of Albany is being accused of changing the rules about the use of the park with the OWS Albany encampment has set up just north of the Capitol building on Washington Ave.
An 11 p.m. curfew being enforced by State Police at a small park near the Capitol was established just last week as state officials sought to align their rules with a city of Albany ordinance.
The curfew set by the state, with input from the office of Gov. Andrew Cuomo, was done in anticipation of Albany police initiating arrests of protesters who broke the curfew or sought to set up camp and occupy a park that has one section owned by the state and another by the city.
But Albany police have declined to make any arrests, sparking tensions between Cuomo, who wanted the curfew enforced, and Mayor Jerry Jennings, who has long been one of the governor's political allies.
State officials this week said the curfew governing the state-owned portion of the park, known as Lafayette Park, was set last week by RoAnn M. Destito, commissioner of the state Office of General Services. They said the curfew had been 7 p.m., although it's not reflected in a government document and no signs are posted at the park.The state changed its curfew to 11 p.m. in response to the ongoing Occupy Wall Street protest, which triggered a similar protest in Albany beginning Friday.
This is a heavy-handed move by Cuomo and Jennings was right not to push enforcement. Still, the bad weather is likely to keep the OWS Albany group small (and it wasn't particularly big to begin with).
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:56:21am |
re: #736 Gus 802
Where's Sergey?
[Video]Berioska
H/T Dangerous Minds | Russian mod explosion 1969: Go go boots and babababushkas
Some folks might not be familiar with this but Dangerous Minds once interviewed Charles:
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:59:03am |
re: #615 darthstar
Someone who willingly chats about sex with a 15 year old.
Make that ANYONE who willingly chats about sex with kids.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:00:07am |
re: #663 Lidane
BTW, all those national parks Teddy Roosevelt created, and all that federal land? Totally unconstitutional! Who knew?
[Video]
Probably everyone, but who was going to say that to Teddy Roosevelt?
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Kragar Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:01:09am |
Herman Cain Campaign Policy For Staff: ‘Do Not Speak To Him Unless You Are Spoken To’
One former employee told Saulny that an internal campaign policy — namely that staffers can’t speak to Cain “unless you are spoken to” — sparked his resignation from the Cain Train:
Even bumper stickers have been hard to come by.
And then there was that e-mail to the staff about traveling in a car with Mr. Cain: “Do not speak to him unless you are spoken to,” the memo said.
“I found it odd,” said a former staff member who liked to prep Mr. Cain for appearances while driving. The aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, quit not long afterward, citing the e-mail as one of the deciding factors.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:03:53am |
Strange things going on in Mississippi.
Personhood amendment:
Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Mississippi: SECTION 1. Article III of the constitution of the state of Mississippi is hereby amended BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION TO READ: Section 33. Person defined. As used in this Article III of the state constitution, "The term 'person' or 'persons' shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof." This initiative shall not require any additional revenue for implementation.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:04:34am |
re: #741 Gus 802
Strange things going on in Mississippi.
Personhood amendment:
Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Mississippi: SECTION 1. Article III of the constitution of the state of Mississippi is hereby amended BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION TO READ: Section 33. Person defined. As used in this Article III of the state constitution, "The term 'person' or 'persons' shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof." This initiative shall not require any additional revenue for implementation.
My clone army now has rights?!
Ah, fuck.
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Gus Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:05:43am |
re: #742 Varek Raith
My clone army now has rights?!
Ah, fuck.
Social Security numbers for zygotes.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:06:59am |
re: #741 Gus 802
Damnit. I shouldn't have let Sifo-Dyas commission the Cloners on Kamino.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:15:27am |
re: #736 Gus 802
Where's Sergey?
[Video]
BerioskaH/T Dangerous Minds | Russian mod explosion 1969: Go go boots and babababushkas
Vicious Babushka is here!
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Obdicut Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:16:05am |
re: #741 Gus 802
Strange things going on in Mississippi.
Personhood amendment:
Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Mississippi: SECTION 1. Article III of the constitution of the state of Mississippi is hereby amended BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION TO READ: Section 33. Person defined. As used in this Article III of the state constitution, "The term 'person' or 'persons' shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof." This initiative shall not require any additional revenue for implementation.
Mississippi's death right just clumb into the stratosphere.
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allegro Thu, Oct 27, 2011 10:21:13am |
re: #740 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Herman Cain Campaign Policy For Staff: ‘Do Not Speak To Him Unless You Are Spoken To’
Cain doesn't want to be president - he wants to be King.
Good luck with that.
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