Poll: 43% Agree with Occupy Wall Street

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Right wing media and blogs have been ranting in unison for weeks about Occupy Wall Street, pulling out every dishonest smear tactic in the book and doing their best to discredit and destroy the movement.

But it’s not working: Poll: 43 percent agree with views of ‘Occupy Wall Street’.

Young and left-leaning Americans were more likely to agree with the movement than were their older and more conservative counterparts. Half of Americans ages 18-29 say they agree with the movement; just one in three Americans age 65 or older say the same. And two thirds of liberals say they agree with “Occupy Wall Street” compared with just one in four conservatives.

Americans with at least some college education are more likely to agree with the movement than those with less education. Nearly half of those with at least some college education say they agree with “Occupy Wall Street”; among those who did not attend college, that figure drops to 37 percent.

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1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:15:41am

30% unsure which media outlets to believe?

2 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:16:29am

I'm actually a bit surprised the agree is only 43% in this poll. Some of the other ones I've been seeing has a majority in support.

3 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:16:31am

Wow. 67% of independents think wealth is distributed unevenly. That's bigger than I thought.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:16:43am

"We are the 43%!"

5 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:18:59am

re: #3 Obdicut

Wow. 67% of independents think wealth is distributed unevenly. That's bigger than I thought.

That doesn't surprise me much. Income inequity is a real and serious problem that a lot of people are concerned about. That doesn't automatically translate into support for OWS since most aren't sure if they have any answers.

6 jaunte  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:19:42am
While there are different agendas within the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, nearly all of the protesters say that wealth has become too concentrated among a relatively small group of Americans. The poll found that most Americans agree with that assessment: Two in three say that wealth is not distributed as equitably as it should be, while just one in four says wealth is distributed fairly.

There are probably a lot of people in the 'don't know' category who are unsure of which agenda they're being asked if they agree with, but the 'is wealth distributed equitably' question sorts that out a bit.

7 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:20:36am
8 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:20:51am

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:21:35am
Asked specifically what they think about "Occupy Wall Street" as a movement - as opposed to the ideas behind it - Americans were more reticent to offer an opinion: 25 percent said they had a favorable impression of the movement, 20 percent said they have an unfavorable impression, and 53 percent said they were undecided or haven't heard enough.

Interesting nuance.

10 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:22:01am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

That doesn't surprise me much. Income inequity is a real and serious problem that a lot of people are concerned about. That doesn't automatically translate into support for OWS since most aren't sure if they have any answers.

I think the concept of "income inequality" is what is throwing people off. There is still a big knee-jerk response against anything that sounds like socialism.

In reality, isn't it inequality of opportunity that people are angry about anyway?

Sounds more Amurican anyway.

Off for a while,

Have a great afternoon all!

11 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:22:18am

Yeah, but so what if the poll numbers are that high? OWS is a threat to Obama's chances and so must be eradicated!

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12 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:22:18am

I find it interesting that the number of Republicans who think that wealth is distributed unevenly is as high as 36%, quite honestly. I wonder what the makeup of that group is; if they really feel that the ultrawealthy have too much wealth, or if they actually mean they think that 'welfare queens' and suchlike are living high on the og.

13 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:22:19am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

But they support the troops (as long as they die heroically overseas and don't get lippy about anything when they get back home).

14 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:23:22am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

And he was late returning some library books in 7th grade! And this one time, he double parked! And don't get us started on the jaywalking! What a monster!

15 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:24:17am

Adam Kokesh and Ernest Hancock discuss how to recruit OWS people to their "freedom agenda" at Occupy protests.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:24:51am

re: #2 Simply Sarah

I'm actually a bit surprised the agree is only 43% in this poll. Some of the other ones I've been seeing has a majority in support.

I would say that one inherent problem with this is that 'do you agree with the views of the Occupy Wall Street movement' is a question that relies on the person identifying the views of the OWS.

Someone says "They want economic justice! Hell yeah!" and they say yes.

I say, "I don't know what the hell they want, but their most consistent complaints seem to mostly be about bank malfeasance and financial foul play, so I support that. But their 'view' also seems to be that standing around in the street is actually doing shit about this, which I don't agree with." So I say yes, or don't know, depending on how annoyed I'm feeling at the moment with various lizards and Facebook friends.

Someone else says, "They want socialism, and for me to have to pay more taxes, and for druggie illegal hippies to get free stuff. Hell no!" But if you asked them specific questions about banks, and the bailouts, and the housing bubble, they might agree that they supported certain things that are among the view of the OWS hydra.

17 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:25:25am

re: #14 Simply Sarah

I do think that creating a website solely based around bashing the Marine Corps does mean that he can't stand on "I'm a Marine" status in any serious way, but he hasn't. He's been unconscious. He is still a veteran.

I thought we were supposed to be grateful to the vets for their service, not expect them to be grateful for having served.

18 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:26:47am

Here's the full detail on the OWS questionnaire:

The Occupy Wall Street movement has gone global in the past two weeks, and seven in tenAmericans have heard at least something about the rallies and protests that have occurredaround the world.

Heard or Read about Occupy Wall Street Protests and Rallies
A lot 34%
Some 36
Not much/not at all 29

Against a backdrop of growing discontent with government and years of economic anxieties,
43% of Americans say they are in agreement with the views of the Occupy Wall Streetmovement.
27% say they disagree with it,
and 30% don’t have an opinion.

Agree with Views of Occupy Wall Street Movement?
Yes 43%
No 27
Don’t know 30

Men viewed OWS better than women and those with some or more college education had a better view of OWS than those who lacked college.

66% said money should be more evenly distributed in the nation. Not surprisingly, GOPers viewed that one more dimly than Democrats, but 36% of GOPers thought it should be more evenly distributed (vs. 55% who thought it was fair).

19 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:27:08am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, that seems most likely to be the case. I'm not sure how easily I'd answer "Agree", either, to be honest, for that very reason. More just musing over how wide a range of response numbers we seem to be getting.

20 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:27:58am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But they support the troops (as long as they die heroically overseas and don't get lippy about anything when they get back home).

It doesn't look that bad to me. Looks kind of like a bitch session by someone unhappy with their time in the military. I think complaining soldiers is pretty common. He is a member of veterans for peace, which I consider to be a fairly ugly bunch but his bitching about hassles in military doesn't bother me much. He'd rather be smoking pot, I imagine most young soldiers feel that way.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:28:09am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

As far as I can tell, the site is a long list of people whining. It does not appear to be particularly offensive, unless you have very strong feelings about being positive about the Marine Corps.

Which I suppose many people do.

22 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:28:39am

re: #15 wrenchwench

Adam Kokesh and Ernest Hancock discuss how to recruit OWS people to their "freedom agenda" at Occupy protests.

[Video]

Silly Paulians.

23 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:29:05am

re: #17 Obdicut

I do think that creating a website solely based around bashing the Marine Corps does mean that he can't stand on "I'm a Marine" status in any serious way, but he hasn't. He's been unconscious. He is still a veteran.

I thought we were supposed to be grateful to the vets for their service, not expect them to be grateful for having served.

Of course. And, really, I don't care if it had been a convicted rapist and murderer instead of a veteran. The whole thing was an ugly act by the police.

24 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:29:09am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But they support the troops (as long as they die heroically overseas and don't get lippy about anything when they get back home).

Like everything else, the Right prefers it when reality doesn't intrude on their fantasy. Hard to imagine all soldiers as red-blooded, apple-pie scarfing Americans who are universally conservative and think fighting in Iraq/Afghanistan a great honor and privilege.

25 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:29:51am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

At the same time, this is making the rounds:

Image: yGfyU.jpg

And the relevant Reddit:

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

26 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:30:19am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

Another item from that link:

Fox 5 News Reporter Assaulted At OWS — MYFOXNY.COM

A protester, angered by the presence of a news crew inside Zuccotti Park Friday morning, threatened to stab Fox 5 News reporter John Huddy.

A threat = assault? Really??

Edited to add: He grabbed the guy's mic. Horror of horrors!
/

27 [deleted]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:31:00am
28 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:31:12am

re: #15 wrenchwench

Adam Kook-esh and Ernest HandCock discuss how to hijack OWS before the commies do.

FTFY

29 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:31:27am

re: #23 Simply Sarah

Oakland's mayor has apologized and taken responsibility for the incident, which is cold comfort to the former Marine who continues to recover from his injuries.

He will most deservedly get a tidy sum in any lawsuit he brings against the PD and city for its actions.

30 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:32:14am

re: #26 makeitstop

Another item from that link:

A threat = assault? Really??

Actually, it is. Assault just involves causing people to worry that you're going to harm them or the like. So a threat of violence could certainly qualify.

31 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:32:27am

re: #29 lawhawk

Or whichever law enforcement agency it was, since there were apparently a bizarrely high number taking part in the enforcement. Maybe as a result of Oakland simply lacking manpower due to the budget cuts.

32 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:32:58am

re: #26 makeitstop

A threat = assault? Really??

Legally, yes. In common use of language, no.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:33:19am

re: #17 Obdicut

I do think that creating a website solely based around bashing the Marine Corps does mean that he can't stand on "I'm a Marine" status in any serious way, but he hasn't. He's been unconscious. He is still a veteran.

I thought we were supposed to be grateful to the vets for their service, not expect them to be grateful for having served.

The website--which is defunct--seems to mostly be a forum for guys to complain about military life. One guy goes on about how he's going to turn his cammies into cut-off shorts when he gets out, and then laugh at people who object. Someone else is pissed off about dependent wives who give their kids military haircuts. I only glanced, but it's not exactly virulent. I've heard a lot worse from career military.

34 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:33:52am

re: #32 Obdicut

Legally, yes. In common use of language, no.

It's a bit like how people get confused by the term theory.

35 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:35:07am

re: #26 makeitstop

I posted about that earlier today. Huddy has been out at the protests pretty much from the outset, and he was threatened by this guy who Huddy has seen several times. The assault came when this protester grabbed the microphone from Huddy, and threatened further assault with stabbing Huddy with a pen.

The NYPD arrested the guy, who was talking incoherently.

Huddy went to lengths to say that this guy wasn't indicative of the other protesters or "spokespeople" he's interviewed at the park.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:35:55am

re: #17 Obdicut

I do think that creating a website solely based around bashing the Marine Corps does mean that he can't stand on "I'm a Marine" status in any serious way, but he hasn't. He's been unconscious. He is still a veteran.

I thought we were supposed to be grateful to the vets for their service, not expect them to be grateful for having served.

Also, after all those years of hearing people sneer about how the troops go in harm's way to uphold democracy so that people can ungratefully exercise their First Amendment rights and protest the war, it seems the height of chutzpah to attack this guy, who went in harm's way, then exercised his First Amendement rights, and then turned out to be in harm's way there as well.

But it's not news that veterans lose their magic status the second they piss wingnuts off. John Kerry's name is coming to mind.

37 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:36:45am

re: #26 makeitstop

Another item from that link:

A threat = assault? Really??

Notice what else the reporter had to say about the incident: Fox 5 News Reporter Assaulted At OWS.

"I don't think this person represents the whole. One of the media representatives asked me not to categorize this one person as representative of the whole group. Most of the folks I've dealt with have been accomodating. There is an element here that we've seen that has caused problems. Overall, it has been peaceful in the park," added Huddy.

I just checked the right wing blogs that are hyperventilating about this -- not a single one quotes this section of the article.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:37:00am

re: #25 Lidane

At the same time, this is making the rounds:

Image: yGfyU.jpg

And the relevant Reddit:

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

Obviously a fake. Real Marines don't have lip piercings and hipster facial hair.

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39 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:37:50am

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

The website--which is defunct--seems to mostly be a forum for guys to complain about military life. One guy goes on about how he's going to turn his cammies into cut-off shorts when he gets out, and then laugh at people who object. Someone else is pissed off about dependent wives who give their kids military haircuts. I only glanced, but it's not exactly virulent. I've heard a lot worse from career military.

I've grown up around career Navy folks and one thing you get used to is the griping and bitching over policies, rules, officers, etc, etc. Not that all dwell upon it, but some find that the bad simply outweighs whatever good they experienced.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:38:25am

re: #26 makeitstop

Another item from that link:

A threat = assault? Really??

Edited to add: He grabbed the guy's mic. Horror of horrors!
/

Assault is technically 'a crime causing the victim to fear violence', so yes, threatening to stab someone and grabbing something from them would cover it.

41 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:39:08am

re: #35 lawhawk

I posted about that earlier today. Huddy has been out at the protests pretty much from the outset, and he was threatened by this guy who Huddy has seen several times. The assault came when this protester grabbed the microphone from Huddy, and threatened further assault with stabbing Huddy with a pen.

The NYPD arrested the guy, who was talking incoherently.

Huddy went to lengths to say that this guy wasn't indicative of the other protesters or "spokespeople" he's interviewed at the park.

I missed that. Thanks for the background.

42 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:40:13am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, after all those years of hearing people sneer about how the troops go in harm's way to uphold democracy so that people can ungratefully exercise their First Amendment rights and protest the war, it seems the height of chutzpah to attack this guy, who went in harm's way, then exercised his First Amendement rights, and then turned out to be in harm's way there as well.

But it's not news that veterans lose their magic status the second they piss wingnuts off. John Kerry's name is coming to mind.

Ugh. The whole Swiftboat thing was a disgrace.

I wonder, did they try that sort of thing with Jack Kennedy?

Sure, you helped save the lives of most of your crew after your ship was sunk in the middle of hostile waters, but it was all your fault to start with because you were a bad commander for being the way of that destroyer!

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:40:22am

re: #31 Obdicut

Or whichever law enforcement agency it was, since there were apparently a bizarrely high number taking part in the enforcement. Maybe as a result of Oakland simply lacking manpower due to the budget cuts.

Oakland called in mutual aid. Which was part of the problem. Oakland uses beanbags for stuff like this, one of the departments called in uses rubber bullets. There wasn't enough coordination for anyone to find that out, or create actual ground rules.

This might have been very different if the OPD hadn't suffered major layoffs in 2010.

44 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:41:41am

re: #39 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've grown up around career Navy folks and one thing you get used to is the griping and bitching over policies, rules, officers, etc, etc. Not that all dwell upon it, but some find that the bad simply outweighs whatever good they experienced.

That and some people will bitch about the bad parts of things, regardless of how minor they may be and how much good they may also find in them.

45 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:42:04am

Kind of surprised to see that a plurality of Americans support smelly, dirty, anti-Semitic, terrorists who are gathering for no coherent reason whatsoever.

46 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:42:50am

re: #44 Simply Sarah

That and some people will bitch about the bad parts of things, regardless of how minor they may be and how much good they may also find in them.

Ayep. Bitching about anything and everything is a proud American tradition. Our ancestors came off the Mayflower bitching about how cramped the accommodations had been and not getting a room with a view of the sea.

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47 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:42:56am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

Right wing bloggers: the few, the proud, the chickenhawks.

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:47:14am

re: #45 Talking Point Detective

Kind of surprised to see that a plurality of Americans support smelly, dirty, anti-Semitic, terrorists who are gathering for no coherent reason whatsoever.

Tea Party Sparks More Antipathy Than Passion
Not surprising. Check out the historical support for the Tea Party.
Image: jdzo8stx7e6x9bzwdhk0oa.gif
They did hold slight positive over negative numbers for quite a stretch.

49 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:48:17am

re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ayep. Bitching about anything and everything is a proud American tradition. Our ancestors came off the Mayflower bitching about how cramped the accommodations had been and not getting a room with a view of the sea.

/

And it's cold here. This isn't where we were supposed to stop. Why are we stopping here? Don't make me turn this ship around!

50 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:48:24am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Sparks More Antipathy Than Passion
Not surprising. Check out the historical support for the Tea Party.
Image: jdzo8stx7e6x9bzwdhk0oa.gif
They did hold slight positive over negative numbers for quite a stretch.

So your point is that the Tea Party and OWS are indistinguishable?

51 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:50:52am

re: #28 ArchangelMichael

Adam Kook-esh and Ernest HandCock discuss how to hijack OWS before the commies do.

FTFY

Adam Kokesh and Scott Olsen are members of the same organization, Iraq Veterans Against the War. I don't say that to smear Olsen. I hope he's not a nut like Kokesh. Clearly, the wacko right wing libertarians see OWS as a place to recruit more minions.

EndTheFedNow 1 points 1 day ago

I would suggest that OWS bring in Adam Kokesh, from Iraq Vets Against the War (he's a col. in the Marines) tp speak to the assembly.

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:52:24am

re: #50 Talking Point Detective

So your point is that the Tea Party and OWS are indistinguishable?

No. We're in tough economic times. Americans are generally supportive of protest movements, especially when they come from their side of the partisan fence. That support will rise and fall as more people learn about the movement and how the PR campaigns in the media play out.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:53:10am

re: #50 Talking Point Detective

So your point is that the Tea Party and OWS are indistinguishable?

Seems reasonable to compare data.

54 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:53:15am

re: #51 wrenchwench

FTFY

Adam Kokesh and Scott Olsen are members of the same organization, Iraq Veterans Against the War. I don't say that to smear Olsen. I hope he's not a nut like Kokesh. Clearly, the wacko right wing libertarians see OWS as a place to recruit more minions.

Why would that be a smear? Is Iraq Veterans Against the War a libertarian group?

55 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:54:12am

Let me see if I have this correct. According to the chickenhawks, I mean right wing bloggers, military men and women fight for our country and for our freedom. Typically, they toss around phrases like "if you love your freedom, thank a veteran." Yet when people, even veterans, dare to practice that freedom, they choose to inhibit or shut-down the freedom that these people care to express. Even to the point of smearing, defaming (see Andrew Breitbart) and whatever goon-like behavior thrown upon such people.

The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power.
-- Henry A. Wallace

56 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:54:16am

re: #51 wrenchwench

Iraq Veterans Against the War in and of itself, AFAIK is a legitimate organization, but Adam Kokesh is about one step down from Alex Jones on the kook scale. He's probably trying to find more people at OWS to hold up End the Fed or 9-11 troof signs.

57 jaunte  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:54:53am

re: #51 wrenchwench

EndTheFedNow 1 points 1 day ago

I would suggest that OWS bring in Adam Kokesh, from Iraq Vets Against the War (he's a col. in the Marines) tp speak to the assembly.

Maybe EndTheFedNow made a typo, but I think Kokesh was a corporal.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:55:16am

re: #55 Gus 802

Let me see if I have this correct. According to the chickenhawks, I mean right wing bloggers, military men and women fight for our country and for our freedom. Typically, they toss around phrases like "if you love your freedom, thank a veteran." Yet when people, even veterans, dare to practice that freedom, they choose to inhibit or shut-down the freedom that these people care to express. Even to the point of smearing, defaming (see Andrew Breitbart) and whatever goon-like behavior thrown upon such people.

The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power.
-- Henry A. Wallace

Yes, I think that's essentially accurate, although they're not so much shutting down this guy's freedom as bitching impotently about it from behind their keyboards.

59 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:56:16am

re: #57 jaunte

Maybe EndTheFedNow made a typo, but I think Kokesh was a corporal.

No he was definitely not a Colonel. He was a Corporal in the USMC Reserve.

60 recusancy  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:56:24am

re: #56 ArchangelMichael

Iraq Veterans Against the War in and of itself, AFAIK is a legitimate organization, but Adam Kokesh is about one step down from Alex Jones on the kook scale. He's probably trying to find more people at OWS to hold up End the Fed or 9-11 troof signs.

Is he a truther?

61 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:56:32am

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

It seems trivial to say that some groups are more popular at their outset than they are after time has passed. I'm sure that we can find other populist groups that started out less popular and gained popularity over time.

What are the relevant attributes that justify a conclusion that there is a correlation? More specifically, which of the causes for the Tea Party's loss on popularity do you think apply to OWS?

62 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:58:03am

re: #54 Talking Point Detective

Adam Kokesh and Scott Olsen are members of the same organization, Iraq Veterans Against the War. I don't say that to smear Olsen. I hope he's not a nut like Kokesh. Clearly, the wacko right wing libertarians see OWS as a place to recruit more minions.

Why would that be a smear? Is Iraq Veterans Against the War a libertarian group?

The association with Kokesh would be the potential smear. I don't know enough about the organization to say whether it has more kooks than Kokesh.

Olsen was wearing a "Veterans for Peace" t-shirt when he was hit. Maybe that one means more to him.

63 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:58:20am

re: #56 ArchangelMichael

Iraq Veterans Against the War in and of itself, AFAIK is a legitimate organization, but Adam Kokesh is about one step down from Alex Jones on the kook scale. He's probably trying to find more people at OWS to hold up End the Fed or 9-11 troof signs.

Thanks.

64 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:00:47am

re: #62 wrenchwench

Olsen was wearing a "Veterans for Peace" t-shirt when he was hit.

There might be too many ironies implied in that short sentence to even count.

65 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:01:21am

re: #60 recusancy

Is he a truther?

He's been a speaker at a couple of Truther events including the big one in DC.

66 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:01:30am

re: #64 Talking Point Detective

There might be too many ironies implied in that short sentence to even count.

Sad ones.

67 aagcobb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:03:19am

I certainly have a favorable view of OWS. Income inequality is reaching new heights in this country. Despite the sneering of the Right, this isn't about mere jealousy of the rich; excessive income inequality is actually harmful to the economy. We have a consumer based economy, and when the wages of the vast majority of people are stagnating, their consumption can't grow which means the economy can't grow. If the economy doesn't grow, new jobs don't get created, which means wages stagnate further. Since people who don't have money can't spend, and the people who are accruing all the additional wealth can't spend the money they already have, the only actor who can or will inject money into the economy to get it growing and create jobs is the government. This isn't that hard to understand.

68 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:03:56am

I think OWS has some great opportunities for educating people. I hope those opportunities aren't exploited by the right wing Paulian wackos. They're sure trying.

I gotta go fix bikes.

69 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:04:30am

re: #67 aagcobb

I certainly have a favorable view of OWS. Income inequality is reaching new heights in this country. Despite the sneering of the Right, this isn't about mere jealousy of the rich; excessive income inequality is actually harmful to the economy. We have a consumer based economy, and when the wages of the vast majority of people are stagnating, their consumption can't grow which means the economy can't grow. If the economy doesn't grow, new jobs don't get created, which means wages stagnate further. Since people who don't have money can't spend, and the people who are accruing all the additional wealth can't spend the money they already have, the only actor who can or will inject money into the economy to get it growing and create jobs is the government. This isn't that hard to understand.

That's what I'm talkin' about!

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:04:38am

re: #61 Talking Point Detective

More specifically, which of the causes for the Tea Party's loss on popularity do you think apply to OWS?

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.
I think possibly a larger factor in public opinion that applies more to OWS than the Tea Party is the lawlessness within the camps. Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility. Breitbart is hyping a story today about an underage girl was picked up at an OWS camp by a pimp/madame who prostituted her. Not all of the is related to ideology but it reflects poorly on the movement.

71 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:04:49am

re: #37 Charles

Not only has the protests within the park itself been peaceful, but most of the incidents involving arrests have occurred when various "marches" have occurred. Some involve people from the park, but just as often and likely are people who join in with alternative interests in mind - there are a few splinter groups that have looked to have confrontations with the NYPD for instance.

And many of the arrests came from the refusal to move from highways (the Brooklyn Bridge) or blocking streets - including Wall Street) or entering private property (trespass).

72 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:05:25am

I love descriptive reviews of artistic endeavors (re: Lou Reed and Metallica)

After aging artist playtime is over, what’s left are a few slivers of good, boldly highlighted like a few flecks of gold in a bag of discarded colored dicks, used tampons, and dried semen.

73 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:06:53am

re: #69 wrenchwench

That's what I'm talkin' about!

To clarify: that's the good kind of educating that I'd like to see more of.

74 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:07:08am

re: #68 wrenchwench

I think OWS has some great opportunities for educating people. I hope those opportunities aren't exploited by the right wing Paulian wackos. They're sure trying.

I gotta go fix bikes.

I really would love it if OWS gets a strong personality to be a "leader" for lack of a better term that can keep the movement on message. If Paulians or far-left moonbats hijack this movement, there will never be any positive change in financial regulation. Unfortunately, I have no idea who could or would step up to be this leader.

75 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:07:48am

re: #74 ArchangelMichael

I really would love it if OWS gets a strong personality to be a "leader" for lack of a better term that can keep the movement on message. If Paulians or far-left moonbats hijack this movement, there will never be any positive change in financial regulation. Unfortunately, I have no idea who could or would step up to be this leader.

aagcobb!

76 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:09:06am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.
I think possibly a larger factor in public opinion that applies more to OWS than the Tea Party is the lawlessness within the camps. Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility. Breitbart is hyping a story today about an underage girl was picked up at an OWS camp by a pimp/madame who prostituted her. Not all of the is related to ideology but it reflects poorly on the movement.

True but I would take that last part with a serious skeptical eye. Wait for some non-wingnut verification. Breitbart has a history of "inventing" shit that involves pimps.

77 aagcobb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:09:24am

re: #75 wrenchwench

aagcobb!

Not me; I have radio looks and a silent movies voice.

78 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:11:34am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.
I think possibly a larger factor in public opinion that applies more to OWS than the Tea Party is the lawlessness within the camps. Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility. Breitbart is hyping a story today about an underage girl was picked up at an OWS camp by a pimp/madame who prostituted her. Not all of the is related to ideology but it reflects poorly on the movement.

Thank you for your concern.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:11:59am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.
I think possibly a larger factor in public opinion that applies more to OWS than the Tea Party is the lawlessness within the camps. Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility. Breitbart is hyping a story today about an underage girl was picked up at an OWS camp by a pimp/madame who prostituted her. Not all of the is related to ideology but it reflects poorly on the movement.

Safety is always going to be a factor. We're talking, at least in my area about a group in an anonymous urban setting with no functioning security and an increasing distrust of law enforcement. Add to that the camp-outs are going to attract an odd assortment of transients, and idealistic young idiots, and the criminals who prey on both, and there's going to be a certain amount of trouble.

I seriously doubt that pimps will stop working Grand Central Station and start checking out Zucotti Park for their latest additions to the payroll, but you are going to have some other problems. When people consider themselves to be surrounded by 'the good guys', they often aren't as alert or sensible as they would otherwise be. Think rock concert.

There are things that can be done to reduce this, and hopefully, some of the OWS groups will do them.

80 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:12:08am

re: #78 Gus 802

Thank you for your concern.

Don't you have some bongo drums to beat?!?!
/

81 Winny Spencer  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:13:46am

How are you doing today, Gus?

82 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:14:08am

re: #76 ArchangelMichael

True but I would take that last part with a serious skeptical eye. Wait for some non-wingnut verification. Breitbart has a history of "inventing" shit that involves pimps.

Agreed, Breitbart is full of shit, they do have an MSM source for the story.
Woman charged with prostituting teenage girl

A city woman is accused of pimping out a 16-year-old girl she met in Victory Park during the Occupy NH demonstrations.

83 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:18:18am

re: #74 ArchangelMichael

I would also add... this leader needs to tell everyone to pack up their crap and go camp at DC, otherwise nothing will be done. Wall Street might buy off the people who make the rules, but they don't make the rules. Go to Washington and put a scare into some Congress members that their cushy jobs might be at stake if they don't start listening.

84 recusancy  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:24:20am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Agreed, Breitbart is full of shit, they do have an MSM source for the story.
Woman charged with prostituting teenage girl

OMG!!! OWS are a bunch of pimps! Stay away people!

85 freetoken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:26:21am

I have at most a marginal interest in the OWS so I didn't even know there was a local gathering, and subsequent clean-out:

Occupy San Diego camps cleared; dozens arrested

San Diego police moved in on the Occupy San Diego protesters early Friday morning, moving them out of their downtown encampments in Civic Center Plaza and Children’s Park and arresting about 50 people.

Police officers and sheriff’s deputies in riot gear took action about 2:30 a.m. and used loud speakers to order the crowd, which was mostly asleep, to pick up their belongings and move.

[...]

Some protesters yelled at the officers. One man screamed repeatedly, “Why are you trying to hurt us?” Another was heard singing the John Lennon song “Give Peace a Chance.”

[...]

Brown said that property the protesters had placed at the plaza and park, including tents, canopies, tables and other furniture, was a violation of the city municipal code. Additionally, police have received numerous complaints about unsanitary conditions created by human and animal feces, urination, drug use, littering and damage to city property, she said.

After the protesters were moved out the of Civic Center Plaza, which is next to City Hall, city cleaning crews washed the concrete with pressure hoses. Dozens of officers formed a perimeter around the area. Only people who work at the buildings surrounding the plaza were being allowed through.

John Kenney, 51, one of the protest’s organizers, said he thought the action was an attempt by police to disrupt a march planned for 8:30 a.m. today on the San Diego Association of Governments meeting.

The group was going to protest $200 billion in highway infrastructure spending, Kenney said.

[...]

Look, I too would wish SANDAG would not spend the $200 billion on highways but rather spent it on mass transit (preferably rail), but the last thing I'm going to do to convince SANDAG of my opinions is go sleep in a park downtown at let my feces pile-up as a way of trying to convince my fellow citizens of my hopes for a better urban design.

86 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:27:26am

How about a poll to see about us here...

Same poll unscientific audience.

87 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:28:21am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Agreed, Breitbart is full of shit, they do have an MSM source for the story.
Woman charged with prostituting teenage girl

And this is somehow the fault of OWS because....?

88 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:29:44am

re: #87 Varek Raith

And this is somehow the fault of OWS because...?

Thats easy.

George Soros.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:29:48am

re: #76 ArchangelMichael

True but I would take that last part with a serious skeptical eye. Wait for some non-wingnut verification. Breitbart has a history of "inventing" shit that involves pimps.

LOL!! Too true!!

90 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:29:58am

Fun With Strawmen, chapter MMXXXVI

wherein a self appointed pundit takes it on himself to decide what dead people think of current events

Posted on October 24, 2011 by Steven Hayward in The sick left
This Week’s Applied Hayek: OWS Envy Edition

As we continue to fixate on the inchoate but plainly radical demands/desires of the lefty-losers Wall Street Occupiers, this passage from Hayek’s famous chapter in The Constitution of Liberty on “Equality Value, and Merit” hits the spot dead on:

When we inquire into the justification for these demands [to equalize all outcomes], we find that they rest on the discontent that the success of some people often produces in those that are less successful, or, to put it bluntly, on envy.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

remember, people who listen to fox and rush are being told that "liberals" demand that the gummint "guarantee equal outcomes"

This would, of course, necessarily mean that it is the responsibility of government to see that nobody is healthier or possesses a happier temperament, a better-suited spouse or more prospering children, than anybody else. If really all unfulfilled desires have a claim on the community, individual responsibility is at an end.

here, the author demonstrates how it is possible to start with a strawman and, with a minimum of work, twist it into a healthy young snit

91 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:31:36am

I recall being convinced, in the early days of the tea party, that it was being run by and infiltrated by groups of undesirable sorts, serious to-the-right right wingers, who, sure enough, got control all the way up INTO the GOP leadership.

Even if I were generally supportive of some of the (still rather vague) objectives of OWS, I would be hesitant to be dismissive of the loonier aspects of these gatherings.

92 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:31:47am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Zuccotti Park is adjacent to the WTC complex, so there's a constant police presence here and has been from the outset.

But the real issue and difference between TP and OWS is that the TP was a transient event; they'd march and then disperse back to wherever they came from. The OWS is a constant presence, at least in Zuccotti Park for the past 6 weeks now. And with anyone able to "join" the protests and sleep there - anyone can walk in and become a "protester", including any number of homeless people who found that they could get free meals and not worry about being accosted by cops (for the moment at least). So, you've got cops who are here in force, but aren't stopping people from coming and going as they see fit, and unsavory characters can be filtering in.

93 recusancy  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:31:47am

re: #87 Varek Raith

And this is somehow the fault of OWS because...?

Breitbart said so.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:31:56am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Agreed, Breitbart is full of shit, they do have an MSM source for the story.
Woman charged with prostituting teenage girl

I somehow suspect that this woman probably recruits teenage girls she meets in the park all the time, regardless of whether OWS is happening around them.

95 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:32:32am

re: #90 engineer dog

Fun With Strawmen, chapter MMXXXVI

wherein a self appointed pundit takes it on himself to decide what dead people think of current events

Posted on October 24, 2011 by Steven Hayward in The sick left
This Week’s Applied Hayek: OWS Envy Edition

As we continue to fixate on the inchoate but plainly radical demands/desires of the lefty-losers Wall Street Occupiers, this passage from Hayek’s famous chapter in The Constitution of Liberty on “Equality Value, and Merit” hits the spot dead on:

When we inquire into the justification for these demands [to equalize all outcomes], we find that they rest on the discontent that the success of some people often produces in those that are less successful, or, to put it bluntly, on envy.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

remember, people who listen to fox and rush are being told that "liberals" demand that the gummint "guarantee equal outcomes"

This would, of course, necessarily mean that it is the responsibility of government to see that nobody is healthier or possesses a happier temperament, a better-suited spouse or more prospering children, than anybody else. If really all unfulfilled desires have a claim on the community, individual responsibility is at an end.

here, the author demonstrates how it is possible to start with a strawman and, with a minimum of work, twist it into a healthy young snit

these pepole don't know shit about liberals or what it means to be one. The right has this stupid construct of what the average American liberal is.

96 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:32:33am

Some asshole is spamming my blog with links to Jews who have appeared at Tea Party events.

97 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:34:09am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility.

What?

98 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:36:07am

re: #77 aagcobb

Not me; I have radio looks and a silent movies voice.

But you can write! Maybe we should get Hoops to deliver the talks. I have a feeling he's charming in person.

99 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:36:45am

OWS is not a movement or a party or an ideology. It is a group of people out protesting because they disagree with Wall Street's policies and practices.

I suspect that a majority of Americans agree with them on that whether or not they "support" the current OWS-related activities in various US cities.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:37:28am

re: #92 lawhawk

Zuccotti Park is adjacent to the WTC complex, so there's a constant police presence here and has been from the outset.

But the real issue and difference between TP and OWS is that the TP was a transient event; they'd march and then disperse back to wherever they came from. The OWS is a constant presence, at least in Zuccotti Park for the past 6 weeks now. And with anyone able to "join" the protests and sleep there - anyone can walk in and become a "protester", including any number of homeless people who found that they could get free meals and not worry about being accosted by cops (for the moment at least). So, you've got cops who are here in force, but aren't stopping people from coming and going as they see fit, and unsavory characters can be filtering in.

That's going to be a key difference, yeah.

101 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:38:16am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I hope you are factoring in the exaggerated nature of hyper critical coverage, as Fox et al responds with some hostility to those who dare to protest non Tea party style.

As far as these crimes go, has anyone compared the rate of crime in the park to the rate before OWS happened?

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:39:32am

re: #96 Alouette

Some asshole is spamming my blog with links to Jews who have appeared at Tea Party events.

One thing the OWS and the Tea Party have in common--an apparently unlimited supply of people who see them as the living embodiment of their personal dream for America, and will react with hysteria, scorn, and spammed links, to anyone who dares dislike them.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:39:47am

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

As far as these crimes go, has anyone compared the rate of crime in the park to the rate before OWS happened?

We want sensationalism, not facts and statistics...

104 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:41:03am

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

One thing the OWS and the Tea Party have in common--an apparently unlimited supply of people who see them as the living embodiment of their personal dream for America, and will react with hysteria, scorn, and spammed links, to anyone who dares dislike them.

This guy is spamming links to chabad.org and to failesmessiah.com, which is kind of like spamming links to NAACP and KKK at the same time.

105 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:41:47am

re: #104 Alouette

This guy is spamming links to chabad.org and to failesmessiah.com, which is kind of like spamming links to NAACP and KKK at the same time.

Spammers gonna spam, I suppose.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:43:03am

re: #104 Alouette

This guy is spamming links to chabad.org and to failesmessiah.com, which is kind of like spamming links to NAACP and KKK at the same time.

I'm not sure how Shmarya would feel about being compared to the KKK, but it is a fairly derpity pairing.

107 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:43:17am

re: #105 Simply Sarah

Spammers gonna spam, I suppose.

Did someone say spam?

109 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:47:04am

re: #8 Charles

Meanwhile, that Marine who was critically injured in Oakland? The right wing blogs are now digging into his past to find something to smear him with, and of course, they found it:

[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

Of course they will. It's such bullshit that the right supports the military. They only support people who think the same way they do who happen to be in the military. There isn't one left leaning military person they've ever shown one ounce of respect for

110 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:48:06am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.

KT, have you tried actually attending your local Occupy event?

i think you might get a different impression

111 RanchTooth  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:50:14am

Huntsman should run for President in China, says Huntsman Senior.

"If he were running for president of China, he would have already won the election," he said. "But he's had to come here and start from scratch. Most of the other candidates had a year or two or three or four. Mitt's had six.”

Ooof.

112 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:51:39am

re: #26 makeitstop

Another item from that link:


A threat = assault? Really??

Edited to add: He grabbed the guy's mic. Horror of horrors!
/

Actually, yes - threat is assault. If he had touched him in any way, that's battery.

113 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:52:29am

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

As far as these crimes go, has anyone compared the rate of crime in the park to the rate before OWS happened?

Here in Portland the increase in crime around the encampment has been a been a bit of a concern.
Crime on the rise near Occupy Portland camp

Portland police released arrests statistics Friday saying crime in the area has spiked in a 10-block radius of the squares, where about 500 people have been in a tent city since Oct. 6 protesting the nation's economic disparity.

The report says that between Sept. 22 and Oct. 5, the two weeks before Occupy Portland's march through the city, police made two arrests for vandalism; between Oct. 6 and Thursday, the first two weeks of the encampment, there were 11 arrests for vandalism.

Two weeks before the march, police arrested two people for disorderly conduct; in the two weeks after the march around the square, police made 16 disorderly conduct arrests.

114 Winny Spencer  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:53:03am

Huntsman is slimy. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

115 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:54:20am

re: #78 Gus 802

Thank you for your concern.

Seriously.

My friend works in a building that fronts the area in Oakland that is being "occupied." He says that people he works with are very circumspect about walking in that area after dark (and he works with people who organize in that community).

Chances are that the the area being occupied is safer now than it was before OWS appeared on the scene. How "concerned" were people about crime in that Oakland neighborhood prior to the "occupation?"

116 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:54:44am

re: #110 engineer dog

KT, have you tried actually attending your local Occupy event?

i think you might get a different impression

Since I've been downtown a few time recently I have driven by. I know what Portland protests are like, I've seen plenty of them before. It seems like the usual bunch of folks. I've talked to neighbors who've been there over the past few weeks. It's not something that appeals to me.

117 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:54:51am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Here in Portland the increase in crime around the encampment has been a been a bit of a concern.
Crime on the rise near Occupy Portland camp

Why didn't they count the rapes, stabbings and beatings?
/

118 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:55:10am

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

I hope you are factoring in the exaggerated nature of hyper critical coverage, as Fox et al responds with some hostility to those who dare to protest non Tea party style.

As far as these crimes go, has anyone compared the rate of crime in the park to the rate before OWS happened?

Sorry - didn't see that before I posted my comment.

119 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:56:19am

re: #117 makeitstop

Why didn't they count the rapes, stabbings and beatings?
/

Because Portland is a pretty sedate city, not much serious crime here.

120 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:56:20am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

given the broad definition or "vandalism" and "disorderly conduct" they could have been arrested for merely putting up a flyer. This doesn't sound like some sort of crime haven with, you know, real dangerous crimes being committed.

121 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:56:31am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Here in Portland the increase in crime around the encampment has been a been a bit of a concern.
Crime on the rise near Occupy Portland camp

You mean when the number of people went up the numbers of crimes went up? Shocking.

What was the break down per capita based on the number of people present before and after OWS started?

122 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:59:13am

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Since I've been downtown a few time recently I have driven by. I know what Portland protests are like, I've seen plenty of them before. It seems like the usual bunch of folks. I've talked to neighbors who've been there over the past few weeks. It's not something that appeals to me.

i suggest that you do more than drive by. you are continuing to comment about it, and characterize it

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor

in a way that doesn't jive with what i saw when i spent a number of hours in the middle of it in oakland the other night

if you find it so interesting to comment about, it behooves you to get out of your car, spend a few hours at least at the gathering, definitely attend one of the nightly meetings, and talk to people there, don't you think?

123 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:59:54am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2011 Profits for Big-Five Oil Companies Hit a Staggering $101 Billion

Quick! Give them more subsidies, now that they've proven they are successful!

/

124 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:00:10pm

re: #122 engineer dog
if you find it so interesting to comment about, it behooves you to get out of your car, spend a few hours at least at the gathering, definitely attend one of the nightly meetings, and talk to people there, don't you think?

broad generalization is much easier.

125 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:00:32pm

re: #117 makeitstop

If you don't believe me you can google. The Oakland protests were shut down because of several serious incidents of assault and injury where emergency crews were denied access to the camp. This does create problems for local governments. Problems are inevitable but the protesters need to work on making their camps safe. Sadly I think they're just too disorganized to bother with that.

126 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:00:57pm

"vandalism"

i demand equal time for the ostrogoths

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:01:28pm

re: #115 Talking Point Detective

Seriously.

My friend works in a building that fronts the area in Oakland that is being "occupied." He says that people he works with are very circumspect about walking in that area after dark (and he works with people who organize in that community).

Chances are that the the area being occupied is safer now than it was before OWS appeared on the scene. How "concerned" were people about crime in that Oakland neighborhood prior to the "occupation?"

Since I walk through there often, and many of my friends work in downtown Oakland, reasonably so.

But then again, I apparently don't really understand the local hippies, because I'm a career activist.

128 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:01:39pm

re: #111 RanchTooth

Oof to Romney. The guy has been running for president for 6 YEARS. That fact should instantly disqualify him.

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:01:46pm

re: #122 engineer dog

No. I'm not going to attend these rallies. I didn't attend a tea party either. Why would I bother attending something that I'm not interested in?

130 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:04:03pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Here in Portland the increase in crime around the encampment has been a been a bit of a concern.
Crime on the rise near Occupy Portland camp

One question is whether the focus on the crime is proportional to the increase in the crime. Not necessarily from the aspect of public image, but from the question of good-faith analysis.

As for public opinion - it seems to me that the jury is still out. Cherry-picking a time frame for measuring public opinion is necessarily pretty useless.

131 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:05:12pm

Firing journalists who participate in OWS protests.

A New York Times freelancer who was arrested while covering an Occupy Wall Street march was taken off the story after a right-wing website posted a confusing video of her talking politics. And two NPR staffers have been canned for participating in protest marches; Gawker has their story today.

For the past seven months, Caitlin Curran has been working as a freelance web producer for the NPR show "The Takeway." Earlier this month, she was photographed at an Occupy Wall Street march holding a funny protest sign declaring: "It's wrong to create a mortgage-backed security filled with loans you know are going to fail so that you can sell it to a client who isn't aware that you sabotaged it by intentionally picking the misleadingly rated loans most likely to be defaulted upon."

Curran explains that the photo was quickly disseminated around the Internet, and she thought it would be interesting to do a "Takeaway" segment on the sign's origins (which she explains in the Gawker story). So she sent an email to her boss pitching it. And the next day she was fired. Her boss was "was inconsolably angry, and said that I had violated every ethic of journalism, and that this should be a teaching moment for me in my career as a journalist."

Baltimore-based freelance journalist Lisa Simeone was also fired that same week in a similar situation, after conservative site The Daily Caller criticized her (and NPR) for supporting Occupy D.C.

132 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:05:42pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Why would I bother attending something that I'm not interested in?

Really?

133 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:06:18pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

No. I'm not going to attend these rallies. I didn't attend a tea party either. Why would I bother attending something that I'm not interested in?

um, i might suggest that you appear to be very interested in it

i repeat - if you continue to comment on it and characterize it, it behooves you to get out of your car and find out something about it firsthand

134 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:06:52pm

Ha!
We should require all our politicians to wear similar get ups.
Image: full_1301429028boehnernascar.jpg

135 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:07:02pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did someone say spam?

(puts on faux Viking helmet)
spam spam spam spam spamity spam spamity spam

136 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:07:19pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.
I think possibly a larger factor in public opinion that applies more to OWS than the Tea Party is the lawlessness within the camps. Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility. Breitbart is hyping a story today about an underage girl was picked up at an OWS camp by a pimp/madame who prostituted her. Not all of the is related to ideology but it reflects poorly on the movement.

Want to ask you a question. Did you find anything extreme about the Tea Party? Second Amendment Solutions? Pres Obama compared to Hitler, portrayed as a witch doctor? Did that concern you at all?

137 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:07:47pm

re: #111 RanchTooth

Huntsman should run for President in China, says Huntsman Senior.

How soon before Hot Air and the rest of the derp brigade start saying that these statements just prove that both Huntsman Sr. and his son are commies?

138 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:08:03pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

If you don't believe me you can google. The Oakland protests were shut down because of several serious incidents of assault and injury where emergency crews were denied access to the camp. This does create problems for local governments. Problems are inevitable but the protesters need to work on making their camps safe. Sadly I think they're just too disorganized to bother with that.

Oakland is the outlier for violence.

And these are demonstrations we're talking about, not quilting bees. How many assaults took place in the context of skirmishes with police?

Would those assaults not have happened had OPD not decided to clear out the park?

ETA: You've commented on OWS with bias since Day One, and your posts regarding OWS are prone to exaggeration and hyperbole. That doesn't make you a bad person, but after a while it does cause me to be more skeptical about your posts on the subject.

139 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:08:13pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Since I walk through there often, and many of my friends work in downtown Oakland, reasonably so.

But then again, I apparently don't really understand the local hippies, because I'm a career activist.

Activists, and people who work or live there were obviously concerned about crime prior to OWS and subsequent.

My question was about people who had no contact with the area prior to the OWS occupation.

The distinction between career activists, the "local hippies," and OWS is a false dichotomy. There is quite a bit of cross-over.

140 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:08:33pm

re: #136 leftynyc

Want to ask you a question. Did you find anything extreme about the Tea Party? Second Amendment Solutions? Pres Obama compared to Hitler, portrayed as a witch doctor? Did that concern you at all?

Yes he did.
KT was the earliest in pointing out the crazy of the TP.
Got flak for it too.

141 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:08:47pm

re: #81 Winny Spencer

How are you doing today, Gus?

Got disconnected. Meh, getting by and warming up. How are you doing?

142 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:09:02pm

re: #114 Winny Spencer

Huntsman is slimy. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

I trust him far more than I do the other idiots that the GOP is running right now.

143 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:09:42pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Got disconnected. Meh, getting by and warming up. How are you doing?

Power back up?

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:10:06pm

re: #136 leftynyc

Want to ask you a question. Did you find anything extreme about the Tea Party? Second Amendment Solutions? Pres Obama compared to Hitler, portrayed as a witch doctor? Did that concern you at all?

Er...this is Killgore Trout you're talking to here.

His tireless quest to bring LGF the whole truth about how cruddy the Tea Party was is legend and song.

145 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:11:06pm

re: #133 engineer dog

um, i might suggest that you appear to be very interested in it

i repeat - if you continue to comment on it and characterize it, it behooves you to get out of your car and find out something about it firsthand

Is there any way to double-upding a comment?

146 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:11:40pm

re: #117 makeitstop

Why didn't they count the rapes, stabbings and beatings?
/

"Looks like this report is coming from Andrew Breitbart. Hmmm. Better put a tail on this one. He usually provides us with good leads.

Give my regards to Lt. Schrute. Tell him we miss him at the office."

//

147 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:11:51pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...this is Killgore Trout you're talking to here.

His tireless quest to bring LGF the whole truth about how cruddy the Tea Party was is legend and song.

Was he similarly overjoyed if any of them were hurt or injured?

148 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:11:51pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...this is Killgore Trout you're talking to here.

His tireless quest to bring LGF the whole truth about how cruddy the Tea Party was is legend and song.

Yeah, but he didn't sign that sitcom deal, so it's really his own fault he's not more widely recognized.

149 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:12:12pm

re: #145 Talking Point Detective

Is there any way to double-upding a comment?

Yes.
1 - Upding comment
2 - Downding comment.
3 - Upding comment.
:P

150 prairiefire  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:12:32pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

"Sing a song of LGF..."

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:13:59pm

re: #139 Talking Point Detective

Activists, and people who work or live there were obviously concerned about crime prior to OWS and subsequent.

My question was about people who had no contact with the area prior to the OWS occupation.

The distinction between career activists, the "local hippies," and OWS is a false dichotomy. There is quite a bit of cross-over.

I'm terribly sorry. That was a swipe at someone who is not here. I was informed that, despite my familiarity with the local left wing, activists, and 'hippies' in the Bay Area, I was 'by my own admission' a 'bit of a career activist', in pro-Israel circles, which might color my judgement.

So the false dichotomy is not exactly mine.

152 Winny Spencer  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:14:48pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Got disconnected. Meh, getting by and warming up. How are you doing?

I'm getting by, thanks.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:15:41pm

re: #147 Renaissance_Man

Was he similarly overjoyed if any of them were hurt or injured?

That wasn't the question.

I don't know what Killgore's animousity and occasional bizarre schadenfreude about the OWSers is, but he sure ain't no excuser of Tea Parties.

155 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:16:25pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

Yes.
1 - Upding comment
2 - Downding comment.
3 - Upding comment.
:P

Let me try that...

//

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:17:21pm

The whole foundation of the OWS discussion/debate is flawed: it is not a party or a movement. It is a bunch of people out occupying various public places.

Most of them are there because they have issues with Wall Street and its practices. But some of them don't, they have other reasons for being there, the sensationalism, the attention, the chicks, or as a place for a homeless person to get a free meal and sleep undisturbed in public.

Those who oppose Wall Street policies and practices have a broad range of suggestions, ranging from tightening regulation to smashing the capitalist system.

But in the end, the only thing they have in common is that they are occupying the same public spaces at the same time.

157 freetoken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:17:30pm

re: #154 Lidane

Limbaugh has always relied on the ignorance, and innumeracy, of his audience in order to rake in the million$.

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:17:30pm

re: #147 Renaissance_Man

Was he similarly overjoyed if any of them were hurt or injured?

I don't know about KT, but I recall myself saying "Tough shit" and "Fuck him" when a Tea Partier got part of his finger bitten off by a (possibly lefty?) counter-protester.

The teaper threw the first punch, so fuck him and his finger tip.

159 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:17:30pm

re: #136 leftynyc

Want to ask you a question. Did you find anything extreme about the Tea Party? Second Amendment Solutions? Pres Obama compared to Hitler, portrayed as a witch doctor? Did that concern you at all?

Yes. At the time LGF was a conservative blog filled with Tea Party supporters. I was one of the most outspoken voices against the Tea Party. I took a lot of shit here for it and faced the same accusations and personal animosity that I'm getting right now. I've been down this road before.

160 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:17:44pm

re: #154 Lidane

Rush Limbaugh, economic genius:

Do you know what it takes to be in the top 1%? Take a stab. What is it? Top 10%: $50,000 a year or more you are in the top 10% of wage earners.

Hmm. Who knows. Maybe he's right. We should probably look into this.

//

161 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:18:09pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...this is Killgore Trout you're talking to here.

His tireless quest to bring LGF the whole truth about how cruddy the Tea Party was is legend and song.

lol

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:18:39pm

re: #156 ralphieboy

The whole foundation of the OWS discussion/debate is flawed: it is not a party or a movement. It is a bunch of people out ocfupying various public places.

Most of them are there because they have issues with Wall Street and its practices. But some of them don't, they have other reasons for being there.

Those who oppose Wall Street policies and practices have a broad range of suggestions, ranging from tightening regulation to smashing the capitalist system.

But in the end, the only thing they have in common is that they are occupying the same public spaces at the same time.

Which is why I feel that my 'supporting' or not supporting them is fairly irrelevent.

163 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:18:44pm
164 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:19:24pm
165 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:19:44pm

re: #154 Lidane

Rush Limbaugh, economic genius:

Do you know what it takes to be in the top 1%? Take a stab. What is it? Top 10%: $50,000 a year or more you are in the top 10% of wage earners.

In 2006, the "real" (adjusted for inflation) median annual household income rose 1.3% to $50,233.00 according to the Census Bureau.

30 seconds on the innertubes shows that making $50k or more puts you in the top 50%

166 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:20:22pm
167 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:21:12pm

Rush Limbaugh: A master of mathematics as well as African geopolitics.

168 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:21:40pm

re: #165 engineer dog

In 2006, the "real" (adjusted for inflation) median annual household income rose 1.3% to $50,233.00 according to the Census Bureau.

30 seconds on the innertubes shows that making $50k or more puts you in the top 50%

Everyone knows that facts have a librul bias. Why do you hate America?

169 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:22:09pm

re: #166 Lidane

LOL forever:

Paul Ryan, Defender of the Safety Net

Shameless.

How anyone with half a brain and a smidgen of self-esteem can vote for this pack of bald-faced liars is entirely beyond me.

170 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:22:14pm

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:22:21pm

re: #166 Lidane

LOL forever:

Paul Ryan, Defender of the Safety Net

Remember Reagans adage that "the best social program is a job"? I believe that is the "safety net" Ryan is on about: the ability to find enough minimum-wage jobs to keep your family from being evicted and from starving.

They see that at risk through Obama's policies, I guess...

172 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:23:23pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

If those that can possibly fix this had gotten off their asses and done so, OWS would not be needed.

173 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:23:51pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

They're also not in politics. And the last one who had any fucking clue what he was doing business wise just died a few weeks ago.

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:23:57pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

I should hope tht the pantaloon drummers are simply encouraging people who have the ability to implement real solutions to get on with their jobs.

175 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:24:12pm

re: #146 Gus 802

"Looks like this report is coming from Andrew Breitbart. Hmmm. Better put a tail on this one. He usually provides us with good leads.

Give my regards to Lt. Schrute. Tell him we miss him at the office."

//

Schrute!

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:24:20pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

However, people who are wearing pantaloons AND camping in parks are probably--Revolutionary War reenactors.

177 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:24:28pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...this is Killgore Trout you're talking to here.

His tireless quest to bring LGF the whole truth about how cruddy the Tea Party was is legend and song.

Yeah. It was just him. Right?

178 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:24:49pm

re: #175 iceweasel

Schrute!

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

179 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:25:25pm

re: #154 Lidane

He says $343,000 puts you in the top 1%. That actually sounds about right, but Kiplingers says that puts you in the top 5%. $450k puts you in top 1% (based on AGI). To be clear, the Kiplingers figures are based on AGI.

$50k in Kiplingers would only put you at 50% of top earners. Not top 10%.

According to the WSJ/Fox tool, $50k barely ranks at 56%, and $343k puts you in top 3%. That's based on household income (and I've corrected the $50k figure).

As a fact-checker, I find Rush's statements flamingly (but not surprisingly) false.

180 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:25:27pm

re: #173 Lidane

They're also not in politics. And the last one who had any fucking clue what he was doing business wise just died a few weeks ago.

Charles Napier?

/

181 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:25:30pm

And yes that too was a trick question.

182 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:25:36pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Jimmah's going to be Dwight Schrute for Halloween. Or rather, Recyclops.

183 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:25:38pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

However, people who are wearing pantaloons AND camping in parks are probably--Revolutionary War reenactors.

Those historical bastards!

184 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:25:38pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

However, people who are wearing pantaloons AND camping in parks are probably--Revolutionary War reenactors.

Musket wielding hooligans!

185 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:27:23pm

In other news, can something be done about this aigle bot script thing?

186 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:28:10pm

re: #182 iceweasel

Jimmah's going to be Dwight Schrute for Halloween. Or rather, Recyclops.

I'm going to pass out cigarettes to the neighborhood children. Then scare the crap out of them.

//

187 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:29:02pm

re: #186 Gus 802

I'm going to pass out cigarettes to the neighborhood children. Then scare the crap out of them.

//

I was going to let the xenomorph roam the neighborhood.

188 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:29:45pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

The last time I camped in a park, the only thing that changed was my level of consciousness.

There was a meteor shower that night. I didn't say shit until I saw the fifth one, 'cuz I thought I was just trippin' balls. I was, but there was also an actual meteor shower that night.

189 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:30:29pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

However, people who are wearing pantaloons AND camping in parks are probably--Revolutionary War reenactors.

Unless they're wearing these, in which case they're just weird:

Image: amd_tea.jpg

190 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:30:32pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Yes he did.
KT was the earliest in pointing out the crazy of the TP.
Got flak for it too.

Good to know. Thanks.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:31:51pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Yeah. It was just him. Right?

I said that?

This is what Killgore was asked above: Did you find anything extreme about the Tea Party? Second Amendment Solutions? Pres Obama compared to Hitler, portrayed as a witch doctor? Did that concern you at all?

To which I responded, I believe honestly, that Killgore worked tirelessly to bring all of that and much more to the attention of people on this blog. This, I believe to be true. I watched it happen. He took a lot of shit for it.

I certainly do not want to take away from anyone else, but he was in there, every day, swinging away, until people started to listen. So characterizing him, as that question implicitly did, as a wingnut who didn't care what the Tea Party's bad behavior was is entirely unjust. If people believe that, they will not understand Killgore at all.

Do you consider that an accurate assessment, aside from your current feelings about his current behavior?

192 darthstar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:32:21pm
193 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:32:52pm

re: #189 Lidane

Unless they're wearing these, in which case they're just weird:

Image: amd_tea.jpg

You can make tea with that hat.
Just need some water.

194 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:33:20pm
195 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:33:29pm

re: #189 Lidane

Unless they're wearing these, in which case they're just weird:

Image: amd_tea.jpg

The Cat in the Hat goes in for Green Tea and Ham.

196 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:33:43pm
197 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:34:30pm

Yeah. Who cares about a "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Sit down and be quiet.

198 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:36:01pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

However, people who are wearing pantaloons AND camping in parks are probably--Revolutionary War reenactors.

It's the ones with no pants at all that you have to watch out for.

199 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:36:18pm
200 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:36:38pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

It's the ones with no pants at all that you have to watch out for.

Hey, the sign only talks about shirts and shoes!

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:37:08pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

You rang?

202 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:37:11pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

Hey, I'll still give OWS the same benefit of the doubt I gave the Tea Party folks. Sadly the TPers didn't marginalize the lunatics. Hopefully the OWS folks can, and can manage to wake people up to the fact that what makes Wall Street rich makes America poor. I first noticed it right after the crash of 1987 when companies started shutting down factories in the US and building them in China. The textile companies in the South led the charge, but they were soon followed by Nike. If Nike sneakers suddenly had cost $20 a pair instead of $150, well, perhaps the move to cheaper production would have made sense. What happened is lots of Americans lost great jobs and benefits and CEOs and investment bankers made billions...that they obviously didn't invest to "create jobs" here in the US.

People like to complain about the "looting of the economy" that's done by illegal aliens who send their salaries back to Mexico, but that outflow is absolutely negligible compared to what the Wall Street and CEO crowd has done to this country over the last 30+ years. It's a message that needs to get out there, and if OWS is the vehicle to get people's attention, well, that's OK.

203 SteelGHAZI  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:37:28pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Yeah. Who cares about a "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Sit down and be quiet.

Of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.

204 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:37:53pm

re: #203 SteelPH

Of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.

Building Better Worlds

205 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:38:30pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

You rang?

Go back to your "meteors".

206 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:38:49pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

If those that can possibly fix this had gotten off their asses and done so, OWS would not be needed.

It's put some people in quite the moral dilemma...

207 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:39:27pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

Weyland Yutani at your service.

208 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:39:31pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Yeah. Who cares about a "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Sit down and be quiet.

If it was a soup instead of a government it would be Soylent Green.

209 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:40:27pm

re: #207 lawhawk

Weyland Yutani at your service.

Indeed.
Avatar update!

210 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:40:35pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

I was going to let the xenomorph roam the neighborhood.

my halloween costume (I'm on the left)

Image: mycostume.jpg

the cake my wife did for the early halloween/birthday party we went to.

Image: cake2011.jpg

211 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:40:40pm

re: #207 lawhawk

Weyland Yutani at your service.

Omni Consumer Products, making made in America mean something again.

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:40:46pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

Building Better Worlds

Soon will come Rollerball.

213 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:40:55pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

Indeed.
Avatar update!

Sellout.

214 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:41:04pm

re: #202 funky chicken

Hey, I'll still give OWS the same benefit of the doubt I gave the Tea Party folks. Sadly the TPers didn't marginalize the lunatics. Hopefully the OWS folks can, and can manage to wake people up to the fact that what makes Wall Street rich makes America poor. I first noticed it right after the crash of 1987 when companies started shutting down factories in the US and building them in China. The textile companies in the South led the charge, but they were soon followed by Nike. If Nike sneakers suddenly had cost $20 a pair instead of $150, well, perhaps the move to cheaper production would have made sense. What happened is lots of Americans lost great jobs and benefits and CEOs and investment bankers made billions...that they obviously didn't invest to "create jobs" here in the US.

People like to complain about the "looting of the economy" that's done by illegal aliens who send their salaries back to Mexico, but that outflow is absolutely negligible compared to what the Wall Street and CEO crowd has done to this country over the last 30+ years. It's a message that needs to get out there, and if OWS is the vehicle to get people's attention, well, that's OK.

Can you speak better than aagcobb?

215 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:41:16pm

Hey Ice? You ever get those tax returns from Jimmah?

//

216 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:41:35pm

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Omni Consumer Products, making made in America mean something again.

The SUX-6000!

217 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:41:47pm

re: #202 funky chicken

I only saw one instance of a kook being marginalized at a TP rally. The asshole with the stuffed animal (a monkey) with Obama's pic on it, getting told to get rid of it. That was near the beginning of the new wave TP movement.

At some point they decided to embrace the kooks.

218 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:42:23pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Yes. At the time LGF was a conservative blog filled with Tea Party supporters. I was one of the most outspoken voices against the Tea Party. I took a lot of shit here for it and faced the same accusations and personal animosity that I'm getting right now. I've been down this road before.

I hope you don't consider my questions hostile - I was merely looking for consistency which several people have already told me you are. That's an admirable trait.

219 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:42:23pm

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just as long as Detroit keeps pumping out the SUX 6000.

220 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:42:31pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

The SUX-6000!

Or was that 6000 SUX?

221 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:42:39pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

The SUX-6000!

I'll buy that for a dollar!

222 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:42:56pm

re: #210 Dreggas

my halloween costume (I'm on the left)

Image: mycostume.jpg

the cake my wife did for the early halloween/birthday party we went to.

Image: cake2011.jpg

Cool, as long as that isn't your wife on the right...

223 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:43:21pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

Cool, as long as that isn't your wife on the right...

not hardly.

224 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:43:42pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Or was that 6000 SUX?

Image: i004112.jpg

225 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:43:51pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Or was that 6000 SUX?

It has reclining leather seats, goes really really fast, and gets really shitty gas mileage!

226 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:43:51pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Big money. Big prizes. I love it! /

227 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:44:02pm

In the end, as much as we may not want it to, it always comes down to "whose side are you on"?

I think it's telling that some people have launched into every possible opportunity to tear down the OWS movement. Fringe anti-semites! Reports of violence and vandalism! Smelly hippies! Small-scale financial shenanigans! All breathlessly reported!

People like to decry moral equivalency when it suits them. Well, attempting to tear down the OWS movement because it shares some characteristics with the Tea Party is also moral equivalency. The important thing to remember is that the OWS people want something fundamentally different than the Tea Partiers do.

So, it comes down to "whose side are you on".

228 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:44:07pm
229 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:44:23pm

re: #223 Dreggas

not hardly.

*whew*

Right after I posted that, I thought, what if...I just stepped in it?

230 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:44:31pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

They're not working on wall street either. Wall Street exists to make money....period. Fairness and economic solutions for the masses is of no concern to them.

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:45:04pm

re: #218 leftynyc

I hope you don't consider my questions hostile - I was merely looking for consistency which several people have already told me you are. That's an admirable trait.

Or the hobgolin of something-or-other, depending on who you ask.

I prefer "admirable trait".

232 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:45:27pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

ROFL!!

233 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:45:58pm

re: #226 lawhawk

Big money. Big prizes. I love it! /

Do not fuck with Red Forman

Image: robocop-03.jpg

234 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:46:13pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Yes. At the time LGF was a conservative blog filled with Tea Party supporters. I was one of the most outspoken voices against the Tea Party. I took a lot of shit here for it and faced the same accusations and personal animosity that I'm getting right now. I've been down this road before.

Did you make the same set of baseless attacks, call them fascists with trust funds?

235 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:46:22pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

*whew*

Right after I posted that, I thought, what if...I just stepped in it?

Well, you know what they say about when you assume.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:46:44pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

Do you have time to answer a mechanical question?

237 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:47:06pm

re: #235 Simply Sarah

Well, you know what they say about when you assume.

You make a supposition based on existing information?

238 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:47:14pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Do you have time to answer a mechanical question?

Sure.

239 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:47:41pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you consider that an accurate assessment, aside from your current feelings about his current behavior?

I do.

To be honest, from what I see, the OWS protests look like pretty much most any grassroots protest - disorganised, nebulous, and with vague reasons and goals. There's a little disorderly conduct, a few arrests, a little violence, and the usual fringe nuts that are attracted to any sort of public disturbance like flies to turds. There is no comparison to the Tea Party in any respect, and any comparison smacks of Magical Balance Fairy - it's not a 'leftist Tea Party'. The TP is a wholly manufactured creation and based entirely on fictitious premises, which has been packaged, branded, and sold to America. Calling OWS a 'leftist Tea Party' is sort of like calling a home cooked meal an 'anticapitalist McHappy Meal'. It's an equivalence or juxtaposition between apples and oranges.

I'm pretty sure KT is not a TP wingnut. That said, his coverage and investigation is far from impartial or disinterested. And the obvious hatred he has for protestors, as well as the pleasure he takes in seeing them hurt, makes me both personally uncomfortable, as well as inclined to take his investigations with more than a grain of salt.

240 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:48:29pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

Did you make the same set of baseless attacks, call them fascists with trust funds?

I seem to remember the horde getting on your case early on. For a minute there I thought they were going to scare you off. They did the same thing with Windupbird and Windsagio.

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:50:02pm

re: #238 wrenchwench

Cool. The rear brakes on my crappy bike...

I can adjust the brake line to where it's either "always on" or "not close enough to make contact when applied", nothing in between.

Have any tips or handy links?

Much appreciated.

242 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:50:17pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

OT drive-by comment:

This one had KT written all over it.

Going back to work...

243 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:51:28pm

re: #242 CuriousLurker

OT drive-by comment:

This one had KT written all over it.

Going back to work...

Redistribute the cuteness!

244 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:51:42pm

American History 101 With Professor Kirk Cameron

host Kirk Cameron - yes, that one - tried to stump the audience with a trick question by asking if they knew the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and which one contained the phrase "four score and seven years ago."

245 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:53:12pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool. The rear brakes on my crappy bike...

I can adjust the brake line to where it's either "always on" or "not close enough to make contact when applied", nothing in between.

Have any tips or handy links?

Much appreciated.

Is the rim straight?

Usually there's a barrel adjuster somewhere, either at the lever or at the brake or both. Either dial it out, then adjust the cable for "always on" and screw the barrel back in to "just right"; or adjust the cable so it's too loose, and then unscrew the barrel adjuster until the cable is tight enough.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:53:56pm

re: #227 iossarian

In the end, as much as we may not want it to, it always comes down to "whose side are you on"?

I think it's telling that some people have launched into every possible opportunity to tear down the OWS movement. Fringe anti-semites! Reports of violence and vandalism! Smelly hippies! Small-scale financial shenanigans! All breathlessly reported!

People like to decry moral equivalency when it suits them. Well, attempting to tear down the OWS movement because it shares some characteristics with the Tea Party is also moral equivalency. The important thing to remember is that the OWS people want something fundamentally different than the Tea Partiers do.

So, it comes down to "whose side are you on".

Here's the thing--I resent the premise that being in favor of greater economic justice, and cutting our newfangled robber barons down to size should have anything to do with how I feel about the OWS protests.

They have no leadership, and no set agenda, so I can't address that one way or the other.

There are things I like about them, there are real problems I see with them.

But basically, they're just a bunch of people hanging out in a park. I owe them no allegiance. They're not actually doing very much, unless you count 'drawing attention to problems' as an activity.

The fact that the wingnut blogs are hysterical about them doesn't make them people I have to side with. The wingnut blogs are hysterical about everything vaguely liberal.

Exactly who are these people, that I have to be on 'their side', or 'the other side'?

247 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:54:08pm

re: #242 CuriousLurker

OT drive-by comment:

This one had KT written all over it.

Going back to work...

That's great!

99purrcent

248 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:55:17pm

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

American History 101 With Professor Kirk Cameron

It gets better:

The answer, of course, is that neither document contains that phrase, which Cameron admitted ... before mistakenly claiming that it appeared in the Emancipation Proclamation

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:55:26pm
250 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:56:26pm

re: #239 Renaissance_Man

Calling OWS a 'leftist Tea Party' is sort of like calling a home cooked meal an 'anticapitalist McHappy Meal'.

Upding for that. The rest of the post was pretty good, too.

251 Winny Spencer  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:56:35pm

re: #248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It gets better:

Yikes.

252 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:56:39pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

To put it another way, I don't know what supporting the Occupy Wall Street people means. Does it mean going down there? I did that a couple times. Does it mean defending them against unwarratned attacks? I've done that. But aside from that, I'm unclear what my support, or the lack of it, would mean.

I am, however, going to be campaigning for Elizabeth Warren, since I believe that she can help to address many of the concerns brought up by OWS. Not a magic bullet, nor revolution, just boring old political engagement.

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:57:17pm

re: #245 wrenchwench

Is the rim straight?

Usually there's a barrel adjuster somewhere, either at the lever or at the brake or both. Either dial it out, then adjust the cable for "always on" and screw the barrel back in to "just right"; or adjust the cable so it's too loose, and then unscrew the barrel adjuster until the cable is tight enough.

Thank you! I'll see if I can find this "barrel adjuster".

I know fuck-all about working on bikes, but if you have a car question in the future, I just might be able to help. ;)

254 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:57:27pm

re: #251 Winny Spencer

Yikes.

He should stick to bananas.

255 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:57:36pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a big difference between not siding with someone and taking every available opportunity, however desperate, to put them down.

256 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 12:59:59pm

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

Thank you! I'll see if I can find this "barrel adjuster".

I know fuck-all about working on bikes, but if you have a car question in the future, I just might be able to help. ;)

What kind of bike is it? Road, Mountain, something else..?

257 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:00:23pm

re: #252 Obdicut

To put it another way, I don't know what supporting the Occupy Wall Street people means. Does it mean going down there? I did that a couple times. Does it mean defending them against unwarratned attacks? I've done that. But aside from that, I'm unclear what my support, or the lack of it, would mean.

Yes, I would say this constitutes "support", particularly the "defending them" part. It's also possible to simply be neutral, which is OK too.

I am, however, going to be campaigning for Elizabeth Warren, since I believe that she can help to address many of the concerns brought up by OWS. Not a magic bullet, nor revolution, just boring old political engagement.

This is obviously a good thing.

258 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:00:48pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

They're not actually doing very much, unless you count 'drawing attention to problems' as an activity.

That would seem to be more than anyone else had done prior to OWS starting.

They really have changed the conversation, and that's quite a feat considering who the ownership of media outlets in this country is.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:02:06pm

re: #252 Obdicut

To put it another way, I don't know what supporting the Occupy Wall Street people means. Does it mean going down there? I did that a couple times. Does it mean defending them against unwarratned attacks? I've done that. But aside from that, I'm unclear what my support, or the lack of it, would mean.

I am, however, going to be campaigning for Elizabeth Warren, since I believe that she can help to address many of the concerns brought up by OWS. Not a magic bullet, nor revolution, just boring old political engagement.

Yes, this.

260 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:02:19pm

re: #217 Slumbering Behemoth

I only saw one instance of a kook being marginalized at a TP rally. The asshole with the stuffed animal (a monkey) with Obama's pic on it, getting told to get rid of it. That was near the beginning of the new wave TP movement.

At some point they decided to embrace the kooks.

it seems that the tea party hasn't held any major rallies since april 15th 2010. the result of this is that there haven't been any opportunities for visuals that would allow anybody to get an idea of what the rank and file might be thinking

the tea parties - plural and not co-ordinated, as they themselves strenuously insist - and the tea party movement, seem to have turned into a collection of PACs of various kinds (from wiksterpedia):

501(c)(4) Non-Profit Organizations:

-- Tea Party Patriots, an organization with more than 1,000 affiliated groups across the nation that proclaims itself to be the "Official Home of the Tea Party Movement.
-- Americans for Prosperity, an organization founded by David H. Koch in 2003, and led by Tim Phillips. The group has over 1 million members in 500 local affiliates, and led protests against health care reform in 2009.
-- FreedomWorks, an organization led Dick Armey. Like Americans for Prosperity, the group has over 1 million members in 500 local affiliates. It makes local and national candidate endorsements.
-- Tea Party Express, a national bus tour run by Our Country Deserves Better PAC, itself a conservative political action committee created by Sacramento-based Republican consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates.

For-Profit Businesses:

-- Tea Party Nation, which sponsored the National Tea Party Convention that was criticized for its $549 ticket price and because Sarah Palin was apparently paid $100,000 USD for her appearance (which she put towards SarahPAC).

Informal Organizations and Coalitions:

-- The National Tea Party Federation, formed on April 8, 2010, by several leaders in the Tea Party movement to help spread its message and to respond to critics with a quick, unified response.
-- The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, a loose national coalition of several dozen local tea party groups.

what is the future of a movement that hasn't held a significant public rally or meeting in a year and a half?

261 freetoken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:02:28pm

re: #258 makeitstop

They really have changed the conversation, ...

Just don't see it. To me it seems like the same old conversation, rehashed.

262 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:04:18pm
263 Simply Sarah  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:04:56pm

I do wonder if it will all die out in the next few weeks, as the weather and temperatures become more, uh, inhospitable.

264 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:05:31pm

re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Orly Taitz and Sheriff Arpaio discuss strategy to thwart Obama

If they put their brains together, they might equal one.

265 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:05:51pm

re: #261 freetoken

Just don't see it. To me it seems like the same old conversation, rehashed.

Except that Paul Ryan's fundraising letter now mentions the erosion of the safety net for the poor. Paul Fucking Ryan.

Do you think he would be talking about safety nets if there weren't hippies at the gates of Wall Street?

266 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:05:57pm

re: #239 Renaissance_Man

calling a home cooked meal an 'anticapitalist McHappy Meal'.

heh

meatloaf at home??? why do you hate ronald?

267 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:06:17pm

re: #261 freetoken

Just don't see it. To me it seems like the same old conversation, rehashed.

Inaccurate phrasing on my part.

The conversation may be the same, but they've amplified it. I've never had a conversations about the income gap with a number of my friends, and those conversations probably would have never happened without OWS prompting them.

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:06:29pm

heh

Young and left-leaning Americans were more likely to agree with the movement than were their older and more conservative counterparts.

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:06:50pm

re: #266 engineer dog

heh

meatloaf at home??? why do you hate ronald?

dinner by the dashboard light

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:07:05pm

re: #267 makeitstop

Inaccurate phrasing on my part.

The conversation may be the same, but they've amplified it. I've never had a conversations about the income gap with a number of my friends, and those conversations probably would have never happened without OWS prompting them.

this precisely

271 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:07:20pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

What kind of bike is it? Road, Mountain, something else..?

Is "Cheap POS" a category?

It's got wide, knobby tires like a mountain bike.

272 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:07:44pm

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

American History 101 With Professor Kirk Cameron

Don't quit your day job Kirk :).

273 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:08:19pm

re: #265 iossarian

Except that Paul Ryan's fundraising letter now mentions the erosion of the safety net for the poor. Paul Fucking Ryan.

Do you think he would be talking about safety nets if there weren't hippies at the gates of Wall Street?

Ditto Eric Cantor. He was going to give a public address about income disparity - until he found out that poor people might be there.

The very fact that the TGOP is trying to hijack the talking points says a lot.

274 freetoken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:08:29pm

re: #267 makeitstop

The conversation may be the same, but they've amplified it.

That may be true. But, a warning: amplifying a signal also amplifies the noise, and the S/N on OWS isn't so good to begin with, I gather from all the confused discussion about it.

275 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:09:13pm

re: #269 WindUpBird

dinner by the dashboard light

One of my fondest childhood/family memories is getting fast food on the way home from various after-school activities.

276 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:09:27pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Don't quit your day job Kirk :).

That is his day job.

277 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:09:53pm

re: #275 iossarian

One of my fondest childhood/family memories is getting fast food on the way home from various after-school activities.

I had my share of 9-pc chicken mcnugget celebratory dinners :D

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:10:16pm

re: #261 freetoken

Shadup, old man!
///

279 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:10:25pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Mike Seaver was never good at school anyways. This is proof positive that his character wasn't far off the mark.

280 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:10:26pm

re: #276 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That is his day job.

They must have run out of Left Behind books to make into movies.

281 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:10:52pm

re: #277 WindUpBird

I had my share of 9-pc chicken mcnugget celebratory dinners :D

I'll still stop for a little junk food on the way home from gigs once in a while. Don't tell my wife.

282 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:11:23pm

re: #274 freetoken

That may be true. But, a warning: amplifying a signal also amplifies the noise, and the S/N on OWS isn't so good to begin with, I gather from all the confused discussion about it.

another way to look at it is that since we can't experience everything first hand, we consume the media image and treat it as reality

different media, different "realities"

283 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:11:23pm

re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth

Shadup, old man!
///

I'm probably older than him. :)

284 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:11:38pm

re: #271 Slumbering Behemoth

Is "Cheap POS" a category?

It's got wide, knobby tires like a mountain bike.

That most certainly is a category!

The brake may need to be centered. If it's a arch mounted directly above the tire, you loosen the nut in the back, center the brake, and retighten (repeating over and over 'til it works); if it's got two arms mounted to the frame or fork, there are little screws to strengthen or weaken the spring on each side until they match (both pull away from the rim the same.)

285 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:11:47pm

re: #279 lawhawk

Mike Seaver was never good at school anyways. This is proof positive that his character wasn't far off the mark.

Never watched his show. I was just a little one in the 80's.

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:12:14pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Yeah. Who cares about a "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Sit down and be quiet.

stop protesting!

Sit at home and complain!

That's the spirit! Give up! Stop voting!

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:12:51pm

re: #281 makeitstop

I'll still stop for a little junk food on the way home from gigs once in a while. Don't tell my wife.

warm fast food fries *_*

288 jaunte  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:14:09pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

They're not actually doing very much, unless you count 'drawing attention to problems' as an activity.

I think that's the main thing they're doing. We used to have the news for that, until it turned mostly into 24 hr entertainment/commentary/commercial messages.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:14:09pm

re: #255 iossarian

There's a big difference between not siding with someone and taking every available opportunity, however desperate, to put them down.

Yes, there is.

But I was talking about myself, and the question of 'whose side are you on'?

I don't know. I haven't cheered on any pepper-spraying cops or linked to Breitbart, but I still feel that people are more interested in winning arguments than hearing comments when any criticism of OWS is in the offing.

I'm aware that the wingnutosphere is pushing the anti-Semitism meme for all it's worth, but it's still difficult for me to see 'woo-hoo! Right! They're anti-Semites too! LOL!', and the total lack of interest I've seen in understanding the real problems that have come up with that--not 'denounce OWS because of it', but listening and understanding. There have been a series of little interactions around this that have thoroughly pissed me off.

I've tried to discuss the hostility I'm seeing against anyone who critizes any part of OWS--not just Killgore, anyone--and been accused of invoking the Magical Balance Fairy.

This feels toxic to me, and I'm trying to maintain as much neutrality as I can on the matter.

290 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:14:34pm

OK, back to the meat world metal world bikes.

291 freetoken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:16:01pm

Look like Mitt is continuing on with his... let's call it, a journey:

Mitt Romney's Shifting Views on Global Warming

The longer he runs for president, the more doubts reputed Republican front-runner Mitt Romney seems to have about the science behind global climate change.

Speaking at a closed-door fundraiser on Thursday in Pittsburgh, Romney’s position on the causes of global warming continued the rightward shift that has been underway for several months “My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us,” he told donors at Pittsburgh's Consol Energy Center.

As recently as his 2010 book, No Apology, Romney wrote, “I believe that climate change is occurring.… I also believe that human activity is a contributing factor. I am uncertain how much of the warming, however, is attributable to man and how much is attributable to factors out of our control.”

[...]

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:16:43pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

It looks very similar to this.

293 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:16:58pm

re: #291 freetoken

Look like Mitt is continuing on with his... let's call it, a journey:

Mitt Romney's Shifting Views on Global Warming

Romney: My view is I really really really don't care, just vote for me please.

294 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:17:04pm

Well our OWS poll result sure is different
As of now a mere 27 votes in
18--66.7% Yes
7--25.9% No
2--7.4% Unknown

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:18:13pm

re: #283 makeitstop

Well then, go on up you bald head!

296 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:18:49pm

re: #282 engineer dog

another way to look at it is that since we can't experience everything first hand, we consume the media image and treat it as reality

different media, different "realities"

the signal to noise ratio of cable news doesn't even qualify as signal

Even the dirtiest dirty dirty fucking hippies of the OWS are yelling more truth than I've seen on any talking head show

297 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:20:59pm

re: #291 freetoken

Mitt Romney's Shifting

sufficient to describe anything that mitt romney does

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:21:50pm

re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth

It looks very similar to this.

Oh, look! There's your barrel adjuster!

Those brakes can be frustrating to work on (as I guess you already found out). It centers by loosening the nut in the back. If the two nuts in the front are too tight, it won't let go. They should be tightened against each other, but allow a wee bit of play for the arms. Put a little oil where the arms pivot against each other, and at the ends of the spring. Put new brakes shoes on it if they're more than two years old. Clean the rims.

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:24:42pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

Thank you! I'll give that a shot.
*smooch*

300 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:24:47pm

Best cosplay evah!
Image: Cloud.jpeg
Lol

301 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:28:33pm

How about a look at a poll by OLA? The winner in bold
[Link: occupylosangeles.org...]
If the President arrived at at General Assembly meetng with a proposal, would you

Express your contempt and disgust, tell him to pound sand and hard-block introduction of the proposal?
10%

Welcome him and encourage consideration of his proposal?
90%

Panic when you saw Secret Service agents jumping out of armored limos and hide out somewhere until they left?
0%

302 iossarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:29:12pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

For the record, I'm not interested in winning arguments, and I'm not interested in fighting "toxic" battles for the sake of it.

I am interested in having my kids grow up in a world that is not 10 degrees too hot for human life to exist. If we achieve that, it would also be nice if they could afford to visit a doctor, become educated, and eventually pass on something to their own kids.

Sometimes I'm happy to discuss the finer points of whether a particular movement has unpleasant people associated with it. However, when "sensible centrists" jump on a movement which has finally begun to swing the national debate towards the raging inequality that is destroying American society with the obvious aim of throwing anything that might stick, that reasoned debate goes out of the window.

Do I care that there are some bad anti-semitic people who want to glom onto OWS? Yes. Do I care enough about that to let it become a wedge issue for people who want to discredit OWS altogether? No.

303 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:30:11pm

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth

Well then, go on up you bald head!

[Video]

One Class 3 Smiting, coming right up!

304 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:30:57pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

I've tried to discuss the hostility I'm seeing against anyone who critizes any part of OWS--not just Killgore, anyone--and been accused of invoking the Magical Balance Fairy

well, i hope i am not demonstrating hostility. sometimes i'm unable to resist an argument, but afterwards i tend to regret the bad feeling that might be created

i will claim to have given the tea party a break, since i know that i made a comment here fairly recently where i said that it seems to me that tea party members, by and large, are perfectly nice people who are mostly not racists, who have been deceived by a massive, paid-for, propaganda campaign

however, i do make an effort to qualify my opinions with phrases like "it seems to me" and IMHO and suchlike. it gets my back up when people assume impressions and opinions as fact

i repeat, i regret any bad feelings and i would never like to be thought of as fighting with any of you nice people here

305 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:30:59pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Disorderly conduct? Sounds like a nuisance issue not real crime.

306 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:40:42pm

re: #305 Rightwingconspirator

Disorderly conduct? Sounds like a nuisance issue not real crime.

The surrounding business are also reporting an increase in breakins, theft and vandalism.

307 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:43:30pm

re: #299 Slumbering Behemoth

Thank you! I'll give that a shot.
*smooch*

Not many bike mechanics will take that kind of treatment from you, I'll bet....

308 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:43:53pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Occupy Portland: Businesses on the perimeter adjust to protest and protesters
I'm not just making this stuff up.

309 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:43:56pm

Top five oil companies set to break profit records set in 07/08

But NOOOOOOO we dare not eliminate those tax breaks they get, heaven forbid!

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:44:20pm

The ingredient list for products ranging from jet fuel to dietary supplements may soon get an unusual addition: algae.

Entrepreneurs who hope to profit from algae-growing ventures in Florida, Iowa, Hawaii and elsewhere described a broad array of commercialization plans Tuesday at an industry summit in Minneapolis.

"We are on the verge of breaking out on a global scale, not just here in the U.S.," said Mark Allen, a vice president for Accelergy Corp., a Houston-based synthetic fuels company and president of the Algal Biomass Organization, which hosted the summit.

Algae executives said the microorganism, which feeds on carbon, is being grown in ponds in New Mexico, Iowa and Florida, and brewed in bioreactors in Hawaii and elsewhere. The industry's widely varied technologies can produce jet fuel, ethanol, biodiesel, cosmetics ingredients, animal and fish feeds and food supplements like healthful Omega-3 oils, executives said.

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Since it slowed down I thought I'd post this. Not sure if anyone has seen it.

311 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:46:00pm

At this point, I am well and truly screwed. If I make it to graduation in May it will be a fucking miracle.

It's not my grades. Those are fine. It's money. More than ever, I totally get OWS.

312 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:46:45pm

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth

Well then, go on up you bald head!

[Video]

Maybe Bryan Fischer has a point in regards to his war on bears.

313 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:47:54pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

It looks pretty minor from the article. Some disruptions, nothing serious. Big marches have this much or more trouble it seems.

314 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:48:54pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

reading that link there've been reports of a "rise in theft" at a 7-eleven store. I don't see anything about anyone being arrested for it. It also sounds like when things get a bit out of hand (ie the woman with the litter problem) those "in charge" fixed the situation.

Again to make it sound like there's a rise in crime and paint the protesters with such a broad brush is really rather harsh.

315 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:50:58pm

From the OLA web site-An interesting article
"To Toke Or Not To Toke?
Now, the City Council is perturbed with us no doubt, but still they let us stay. They kept their word to us and with our respects we see they have taken into consideration our safety and well being. They have not ordered brutalization and incarceration as other cities' leaders have coldly done. For this gracious act toward us they also deserve our guarding of them as City Officials. We have an obligation to protect them in return and not jeopardize our leaders reputations by letting dank smoke escape from our nomadic dwellings as visitors of all status stroll through to visit the troops camped on the lawn of our leaders offices.

316 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:51:24pm

re: #311 Lidane

I"m really sorry to hear that. Where are you located, again?

317 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:52:27pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

This feels toxic to me, and I'm trying to maintain as much neutrality as I can on the matter.

It is toxic. I resigned myself some time ago to the unfortunate fact that despite all the intelligent, well educated, rational members here, there are certain subjects that simply cannot be discussed unless one is willing to put on a hazmat suit and arm him or herself with a baseball bat.

On some of those subjects—and most of us know what they are or can quickly recognize when lines are being drawn WRT new ones—certain people bait, others twitch and take the bait, and then the virtual equivalent of a barroom brawl ensues. On some (other) of those subjects, the baiters & baitees switch places.

Since I'm not immune to either tactic and don't really enjoy smack downs when they involve people that I otherwise like, I just sit on the sidelines and try to sift out any good bits. Just my $0.02. *shrug*

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:53:24pm

re: #311 Lidane

At this point, I am well and truly screwed. If I make it to graduation in May it will be a fucking miracle.

It's not my grades. Those are fine. It's money. More than ever, I totally get OWS.

I was telling my husband this morning, that someday I want to be an imperious and very wealthy little old lady with a sword cane and unlimited funds. With these funds, I will go the Sallie Mae office, and pay off the student loans of young, struggling post-grad types. If the people at Sallie Mae are insufficiently deferential, I will bang on their desks with my cane. As we leave, I will spit on the floor. No one will do anything, because I will be rich, and ninety.

319 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:55:17pm

Disorderly conduct

i'll just repost my corollary of Rule 34, which is:

if there is a large group of people, there are assholes of it

320 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:57:28pm

re: #319 engineer dog

Disorderly conduct

i'll just repost my corollary of Rule 34, which is:

if there is a large group of people, there are assholes of it

Is 34a "If there is a large group of people some of them will *turn into* assholes"?

321 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:57:50pm

re: #319 engineer dog

Disorderly conduct

i'll just repost my corollary of Rule 34, which is:

if there is a large group of people, there are assholes of it

At least as many assholes as there are people?

322 recusancy  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:58:21pm

re: #252 Obdicut

To put it another way, I don't know what supporting the Occupy Wall Street people means. Does it mean going down there? I did that a couple times. Does it mean defending them against unwarratned attacks? I've done that. But aside from that, I'm unclear what my support, or the lack of it, would mean.

I am, however, going to be campaigning for Elizabeth Warren, since I believe that she can help to address many of the concerns brought up by OWS. Not a magic bullet, nor revolution, just boring old political engagement.

Thank you!

323 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:01:00pm

re: #316 Obdicut

I"m really sorry to hear that. Where are you located, again?

Austin, TX.

It's just been one thing after another. My internship was a bust, leading to no job. I've sent out resumes and applications everywhere, no response yet. I can't borrow any more federal loans or from the school because I've hit their max cost of attendance for the year. I can't ask my mother, because she's just recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and she doesn't even know my phone number five minutes after calling me, so asking her for anything amounts to taking advantage of her. Not going to happen. Ever. My family are busy pooling their money to pay for her live in caretaker.

My only real option at this point is selling her car, which I don't even own, for cash, or trying to get outside loans from somewhere.

Yeah, I get OWS. And I'm REALLY not in the mood to hear how the rich are overtaxed or burdened by regulation or whatever that the GOP is selling.

324 Cheechako  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:01:46pm

Welcome him and encourage consideration of his proposal?
90%


And then one protester stands up, crosses their arms, says no and Obama has to leave.

/Democracy In Action

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:04:42pm

re: #324 Cheechako

Welcome him and encourage consideration of his proposal?
90%

And then one protester stands up, crosses their arms, says no and Obama has to leave.

/Democracy In Action

I did like it that they gave the opportunity to flee the scene.

326 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:06:12pm

re: #323 Lidane

I'm sorry about your mom, and sorry to hear you're struggling. That sucks.

327 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:08:31pm

re: #311 Lidane

At this point, I am well and truly screwed. If I make it to graduation in May it will be a fucking miracle.

It's not my grades. Those are fine. It's money. More than ever, I totally get OWS.

Hold tight. I dropped out of Anthropology/Archaeology grad school (with three kids) into the Nixon recession. Still managed to have a surprising life although the first year or so involved traveling the South with a stuffed frog on my head. (Baby photographer).

328 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:10:49pm

re: #323 Lidane

{{Lidane}}

What are you majoring in?

I took a double major in Math and Computer Science and made it all the way through just on Pell Grants, and a federal student loan of about $1,500. Of course this was back in '85.

20 years ago a UAW worker at GM told me: "Now they're sending our (manufacturing) jobs overseas. Ten years from now, it will be your (IT) job. And the price of everything will stay the same, even if it's made more cheaply, because the top level will keep it all for themselves."

329 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:11:19pm

re: #323 Lidane

Have you checked into local grants? I know here there are all kinds of grants for all kinds of people. (I know you don't live here, just sayin')

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:11:52pm

re: #323 Lidane

Austin, TX.

It's just been one thing after another. My internship was a bust, leading to no job. I've sent out resumes and applications everywhere, no response yet. I can't borrow any more federal loans or from the school because I've hit their max cost of attendance for the year. I can't ask my mother, because she's just recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and she doesn't even know my phone number five minutes after calling me, so asking her for anything amounts to taking advantage of her. Not going to happen. Ever. My family are busy pooling their money to pay for her live in caretaker.

My only real option at this point is selling her car, which I don't even own, for cash, or trying to get outside loans from somewhere.

Yeah, I get OWS. And I'm REALLY not in the mood to hear how the rich are overtaxed or burdened by regulation or whatever that the GOP is selling.

I am so sorry. I'm in grad school at the moment, and...yeah, it's not so great.

331 windsagio  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:12:21pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

It's toxic because extremism breeds extremism.

If somebody has an outright visible bias on something the natural reaction of folks is to go in the opposite direction and get more extreme themselves.

The prejudicial starting position poisons all subsequent discussion.

332 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:14:15pm

ignatz cat knows that he is allowed treats from that amazingly great food that humans eat. so he strolls into the kitchen and loudly demands his fair share of my lunch

except right now i am eating a salad

he keeps on yowling, so i put some of the greens in his bowl. he sniffs it and gives me a look

"that's a leaf"

"yes, ignatz, right now i am eating leaves"

"no, really, i want some of what you're eating. i deserve it - i'm the cat, remember?"

"i said i am eating leaves"

"listen, human, don't try to mess with my head. eating leaves? what are you, a deer now?"

333 windsagio  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:15:29pm

re: #332 engineer dog

It should be a crime to name your cat Ignatz.

Punishable with 'brick'.

334 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:17:23pm

re: #309 Dreggas

Top five oil companies set to break profit records set in 07/08

But NOOO we dare not eliminate those tax breaks they get, heaven forbid!

Or maybe telling them to build refineries in, say, North Dakota instead of building a pipeline to move oil from Canada down to existing refineries in Texas? Don't we always hear that gas costs so much because of a lack of sufficient refining capacity? Heaven forbid that these bastards use their profits to invest in their industry...and...gasp--create jobs.

335 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:17:27pm

re: #333 windsagio

It should be a crime to name your cat Ignatz.

Punishable with brick.

heh

in dis house i am the kwazy one, offisa pup!

336 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:21:11pm

re: #323 Lidane

If I hear of anything down there, I'll let you know. Sorry, but most of my concacts are on the west coast so I don't know how much use I'll be to you.

337 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:21:14pm

re: #333 windsagio

It should be a crime to name your cat Ignatz.

Punishable with brick.

I ended up with a cat named "Patches". Not one I would have chosen.

(I had friends name their one kitten "Rufus P. Cata-clysm". An apt name since he was a destructive terror kitty.)

338 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:22:05pm

re: #328 Alouette

It's a digital media major. I love the program, and I'm so fucking close to the end I can taste it. I just need to hang on until May somehow.

Boyfriend just told me that Carmax apparently does trade-in deals. I could take Mom's car, get it appraised, get a car for less than the appraisal, and they'd give the difference in cash. This would mean I'd still have a car to get around in, and hopefully get enough cash to get me through until my next round of loans comes in next January.

I might just look into this.

339 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:23:01pm

re: #330 SanFranciscoZionist

I am so sorry. I'm in grad school at the moment, and...yeah, it's not so great.

No ma'am, I don't miss it at all. Finishing my thesis and dealing with the administration was more stressful than getting divorced.

340 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:23:46pm

re: #323 Lidane

Austin, TX.

It's just been one thing after another. My internship was a bust, leading to no job. I've sent out resumes and applications everywhere, no response yet. I can't borrow any more federal loans or from the school because I've hit their max cost of attendance for the year. I can't ask my mother, because she's just recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and she doesn't even know my phone number five minutes after calling me, so asking her for anything amounts to taking advantage of her. Not going to happen. Ever. My family are busy pooling their money to pay for her live in caretaker.

My only real option at this point is selling her car, which I don't even own, for cash, or trying to get outside loans from somewhere.

Yeah, I get OWS. And I'm REALLY not in the mood to hear how the rich are overtaxed or burdened by regulation or whatever that the GOP is selling.

Lidane--sell her car and make it to graduation. Even if you asked her for money now and used it to make it to graduation...you know you will use your increased future salary to help with her care, which could go on for many, many more years. I'm a mother, and I can tell you that she would want to help you. You should let her while she can still enjoy feeling like she's doing something good for her kid.

Seriously.

341 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:25:52pm

re: #339 goddamnedfrank

No ma'am, I don't miss it at all. Finishing my thesis and dealing with the administration was more stressful than getting divorced.

That's almost enough to make me glad I never finished college.

342 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:26:53pm

re: #341 CuriousLurker

That's almost enough to make me glad I never finished college.

After 2 years, I said screw it and joined the Marines.

343 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:27:05pm

Have a good evening folks. Off to a small get-together for a drink after work. And then into the kitchen to prep for a gathering tomorrow. Need to make the Mk II stuffed pumpkin, which means frying bacon and chopping lots of fun stuff like cheese, bread, and herbs for the interior of the festive holiday orb to be.

344 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:30:18pm

re: #342 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

After 2 years, I said screw it and joined the Marines.

It's definitely not for everyone. I didn't have the patience for it.

345 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:34:58pm

re: #340 funky chicken

Lidane--sell her car and make it to graduation. Even if you asked her for money now and used it to make it to graduation...you know you will use your increased future salary to help with her care, which could go on for many, many more years. I'm a mother, and I can tell you that she would want to help you. You should let her while she can still enjoy feeling like she's doing something good for her kid.

Seriously.

Yeah, the more I read about the Carmax thing, the better it sounds. Even if they don't have something I want on their lot, I can still take the money they give me and go elsewhere and get a cheap car to last until I get on my feet and put the rest of the money towards getting through graduation.

I think that's what I'm going to do. Put this power of attorney I've had since last year to some use, sell/trade her car, and find a way out without having to get any more loans.

346 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:40:31pm

re: #338 Lidane

It's a digital media major. I love the program, and I'm so fucking close to the end I can taste it. I just need to hang on until May somehow.

When I was in thet thar fancy shmancy college, we didn't have no digital media, 'ceptin' our fingers 'n' toes.

347 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:42:01pm
348 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:43:26pm

So, this is a thing...

349 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:45:54pm

re: #348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, this is a thing...

[Video]

This. Is. Awesome. Tarantino? Or Rodriguez? ///

350 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:46:19pm

re: #334 funky chicken

Or maybe telling them to build refineries in, say, North Dakota instead of building a pipeline to move oil from Canada down to existing refineries in Texas? Don't we always hear that gas costs so much because of a lack of sufficient refining capacity? Heaven forbid that these bastards use their profits to invest in their industry...and...gasp--create jobs.

Not necessarily so simple. Residents of places don't want refineries near them. And it takes years to get through the regulatory hurdles. I'm not saying there is no need for regulation. I'm saying that it's not a simple matter of choosing a location and starting to build.

351 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:47:03pm

re: #347 Dreggas

Tubgirl? I'll have to look it up.

352 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:47:29pm

re: #349 Sergey Romanov

This. Is. Awesome. Tarantino? Or Rodriguez? ///

I'm thinking Scorsese.

353 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:48:11pm

re: #351 Sergey Romanov

OK, thankfully for me I found a description without a picture.

354 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:48:16pm

re: #338 Lidane

I'm going to assume that you're making follow-up calls on all your resume submissions & applications, but have you tried making your resume presentation more creative since you're studying digital media? Like adding a cleverly designed QR code to it, or including a specially designed business card (1, 2, 3) so you'll stand out form others?

The former would cost you nothing if you have Illustrator or Photoshop, and the latter can be done cheap by hand as long as you have some cardstock, a decent printer, a straightedge or paper cutter, an X-Acto knife, and some imagination.

If you've already tried the above, have you tried changing whatever you did to see if it gets better results?

355 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:49:11pm

re: #351 Sergey Romanov

NNNOOOO!!!!

356 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:49:27pm

re: #351 Sergey Romanov

Tubgirl? I'll have to look it up.

No.

357 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:50:51pm

re: #355 Slumbering Behemoth

NNNOOO!!!

re: #356 Alouette

No.

Many people traumatized, I see.

358 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:51:06pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

The current refinery squeeze has been building for years. For the past two decades, deregulation and low profits have combined to push the industry into consolidation. Partly because of environmental regulations, it was cheaper to expand existing refineries than to build new ones. In 1981, the US had 324 refineries with a total capacity of 18.6 million barrels per day, the Department of Energy reports. Today, there are just 132 oil refineries with a capacity of 16.8 million b.p.d., according to Oil and Gas Journal, a trade publication.

This bottleneck is expected to keep pressure on gas prices - and politicians. Both parties are weighing measures to loosen environmental and permitting constraints for refineries. Rep. John Shadegg (R) of Arizona is set to offer a bill to streamline federal regulations governing refineries, Congressional Daily reports.

Echoing that call, Representative Sullivan announced he will introduce legislation to help pave the way for a big new refinery near Cushing, Okla. His proposal, which had been stripped from the energy bill passed by Congress this summer, would speed up permitting by lessening "arcane and outdated environmental standards," he said in his statement.

But the furthest along is Arizona Clean Fuels Yuma, which aims to locate a high-tech oil refinery in the Arizona desert. The hurdles are high. The company is still lining up investors to pay the $2.5 billion price tag. It has to hire biologists to ensure the new plant will not hurt an endangered lizard. A local clean-air group is questioning the project. But if the plan is realized, it would be the first US refinery built since 1976.

"Maybe Katrina has taught us not to concentrate all refineries in one area, let alone a hurricane-prone region," says Glenn McGinnis, the company's CEO. "We need to diversify."

Congress got an earful from industry officials who argued for tax breaks to bolster capacity and complained that environmental regulations and "not in my backyard" citizen movements had blocked efforts to build new refineries.

They got their tax breaks. They got their loosened regulations. They still haven't built their refineries. They are full of crap, and have been all along.

359 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:52:33pm

re: #357 Sergey Romanov

re: #356 Alouette

Many people traumatized, I see.

Slumbering Behemoth a lot more traumatized than I am, looks like.

360 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:52:37pm

re: #353 Sergey Romanov

OK, thankfully for me I found a description without a picture.

You're one of the lucky ones.

I was lurking through a game forum looking for a solution when I stumbled across someone nice enough to have a large pic of that in their sig. I was just unlucky enough to catch it in the few seconds between the dick bag posting it, and the moderators banning said dick bag into oblivion and deleting his posts.

361 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:53:49pm

re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth

Sooo... that's why you wear an eyepatch?

362 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:54:41pm

re: #357 Sergey Romanov

Many people traumatized, I see.

Yup.

re: #359 Alouette

Slumbering Behemoth a lot more traumatized than I am, looks like.

You can say that again, sister. I also got "Rick Rolld" with a goatse once.

This is why I drink.

363 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:54:56pm

re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth

You're one of the lucky ones.

I was lurking through a game forum looking for a solution when I stumbled across someone nice enough to have a large pic of that in their sig. I was just unlucky enough to catch it in the few seconds between the dick bag posting it, and the moderators banning said dick bag into oblivion and deleting his posts.

We really need a ban from Internet feature.

364 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:54:58pm

re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth

You're one of the lucky ones.

I was lurking through a game forum looking for a solution when I stumbled across someone nice enough to have a large pic of that in their sig. I was just unlucky enough to catch it in the few seconds between the dick bag posting it, and the moderators banning said dick bag into oblivion and deleting his posts.

I seem to remember that Charles at one time used that, or maybe it was goatse, on stalkers who were stupid enough to hotlink graphics.

365 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:55:23pm

re: #361 Sergey Romanov

Sooo... that's why you wear an eyepatch?

Actually, its to preserve nightvision, but thats neither here nor there.

366 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:55:23pm

re: #362 Slumbering Behemoth

Yup.

re: #359 Alouette

You can say that again, sister. I also got "Rick Rolld" with a goatse once.

This is why I drink.

Lol, you poor bastard.
XD

367 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:55:46pm

re: #362 Slumbering Behemoth

Yup.

re: #359 Alouette

You can say that again, sister. I also got "Rick Rolld" with a goatse once.

This is why I drink.

( 0 )

368 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:56:41pm

re: #347 Dreggas

This is pure awesome

Image: chatroulette-trolling-that-looks-like-tubgirl-to-me.jpg

Um, I got a picture of Michele Bachman when I clicked the link? LOL. Crazy eyes, sure, but traumatizing? Could somebody post a description of what was supposed to be there?

369 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:56:49pm

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

( 0 )

What are you, fn Freud?

370 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:57:23pm

Suddenly I feel like I've lived a sheltered life.

ETA: Not necessarily a bad thing in this case.

371 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:57:25pm

re: #368 funky chicken

Um, I got a picture of Michele Bachman when I clicked the link? LOL. Crazy eyes, sure, but traumatizing? Could somebody post a description of what was supposed to be there?

Go to Google Image search and type in "tubgirl". Or don't. Your choice.

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:57:51pm

re: #364 Alouette

I believe you are correct. That's the internet equivalent of the "nuclear option".

373 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:58:17pm

re: #371 Sergey Romanov

Go to Google Image search and type in "tubgirl". Or don't. Your choice.

DON'T DO IT!!!

374 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:58:31pm

re: #371 Sergey Romanov

Go to Google Image search and type in "tubgirl". Or don't. Your choice.

NOOOOOOOOOO! Dont do it!!

375 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:58:33pm

re: #369 Sergey Romanov

What are you, fn Freud?

Freud? Why not Zoidberg?

(V)(;,,;)(V)

376 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:58:50pm

re: #371 Sergey Romanov

Honestly, I'm pretty sure I don't want to see it? Unless it really is Michele Bachman. LOL

Gotta go pick up the kid...

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:58:54pm

re: #368 funky chicken

Um, I got a picture of Michele Bachman when I clicked the link? LOL. Crazy eyes, sure, but traumatizing? Could somebody post a description of what was supposed to be there?

The black and white thing is a Quick Response Code sort of bar code for a website.

The point is that someone goes there assuming it's a Bachmann site, and instead sees something disgusting.

I think.

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:59:15pm

re: #373 Slumbering Behemoth

DON'T DO IT!!!

YoU kNoW yOu WaNt To!YoU kNoW yOu WaNt To!YoU kNoW yOu WaNt To!YoU kNoW yOu WaNt To!YoU kNoW yOu WaNt To!

379 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:59:28pm

re: #354 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I'm sitting down with career services next week to go over and change anything that might not be working, and my profs this quarter are enthusiastic about helping us refine our brands and our presentations, so there is that too.

I'll be okay. It's just that right now I can't see it for all the obstacles that are blocking my view.

380 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:00:20pm
381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:00:23pm

re: #378 Sergey Romanov

What has been seen, can not be unseen.

This is why I still drink.

382 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:01:09pm

And I actually don't know what goatse is either, though I've heard it before. And NO I am not interested enough to google it to find out. I assume it's gross and might involve a goat. That's enough. LOL.

I'm old enough to know that sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

383 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:01:26pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

What has been seen, can not be unseen.

This is why I still drink.

OK, Tubgirl is one of Lovecraftian unimaginable monstrosities.

384 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:02:45pm

You all are pathetic Internet Warriors.
/

385 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:03:29pm

re: #382 funky chicken

And I actually don't know what goatse is either, though I've heard it before. And NO I am not interested enough to google it to find out. I assume it's gross and might involve a goat.

I refuse to disabuse you of this notion, and will mercifully allow you to continue with this assumption.

The reality itself is too horrifying.

386 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:04:13pm

re: #382 funky chicken

And I actually don't know what goatse is either, though I've heard it before. And NO I am not interested enough to google it to find out. I assume it's gross and might involve a goat. That's enough. LOL.

I'm old enough to know that sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

STEP AWAY FROM THE INTERNET

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:04:27pm

Well, time to run some errands. Peace out.

388 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:04:30pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

You all are pathetic Internet Warriors.
/

No, I looked. You really can find anything on the internet.
/

389 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:05:25pm

re: #382 funky chicken

And I actually don't know what goatse is either, though I've heard it before. And NO I am not interested enough to google it to find out. I assume it's gross and might involve a goat. That's enough. LOL.

I'm old enough to know that sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

There are some things the human mind simply was not made to comprehend.

390 Digital Display  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:05:29pm

Good Afternoon Lizards
I'm Fluent in 3 languages
English
Sarcasm
Profanity
/

391 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:05:32pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

You all are pathetic Internet Warriors.
/

As in "you're pathetic when you pretend to be Internet Warriors" or "you're Internet Warriors and that's pathetic"?

392 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:05:38pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

You all are pathetic Internet Warriors.
/

"I've seen things you people wouldnt believe. Flame Wars on fire off the shoulder of 4-Chan. I watched Spambots glitter in the dark near the Yahoo Groups. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain... Time to blog."

393 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:06:04pm

re: #382 funky chicken

It has nothing to do with a goat and everything to do with getting a far more personal view of a man's prostate than anyone other than his doctor or his lover should rightly have. o_O

394 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:06:51pm

re: #390 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards
I'm Fluent in 3 languages
English
Sarcasm
Profanity
/

Pfft. Amateur. I'm also fluent in Spanish and Sass. ;)

395 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:09:12pm

re: #385 Slumbering Behemoth

I refuse to disabuse you of this notion, and will mercifully allow you to continue with this assumption.

The reality itself is too horrifying.

I first heard about that here. And google image searched it. Forgot the lesson sometime later and did the same with 2 girls 1 cup. The lesson will never, ever be forgotten again. Now if I can't find something on Wikipedia, I check urbandictionary.com. As a last result I'll google it and read the description. but I will not click no matter what.

396 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:09:23pm

re: #382 funky chicken

you might find the lemon party interesting and meatspin is always worth a twirl or 2.

397 windsagio  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:10:32pm

gotta kind of go with varek,

I'm kind of amazed and impressed that we found somebody that'd never heard of tubgirl before :p

398 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:11:00pm

re: #396 Dreggas

you might find the lemon party interesting and meatspin is always worth a twirl or 2.

Of course if you're on an Apple system, stop by themacuser.org

399 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:11:49pm

re: #398 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course if you're on an Apple system, stop by themacuser.org

and if you are the D.I.Y type you definitely want to go check out Housewares.org

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:12:30pm

re: #397 windsagio

Hey, I don't know many things.

And you will be really lucky when you find someone for whom this pornographic image was actually produced.

401 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:12:33pm
402 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:12:42pm

re: #392 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I've seen things you people wouldnt believe. Flame Wars on fire off the shoulder of 4-Chan. I watched Spambots glitter in the dark near the Yahoo Groups. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain... Time to blog."

Your coupon, sir.

403 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:12:51pm

re: #399 Dreggas

and if you are the D.I.Y type you definitely want to go check out Housewares.org

You're a collector, I see.

404 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:13:47pm

re: #403 Sergey Romanov

I just hang out at the art of trolling a lot and hone my skills.

405 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:14:05pm

re: #404 Dreggas

I just hang out at the art of trolling a lot and hone my skills.

4chan?

406 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:15:28pm

re: #404 Dreggas

I just hang out at the art of trolling a lot and hone my skills.

I work in computer security and watch the incident reports.

407 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:16:53pm

re: #393 Lidane

It has nothing to do with a goat and everything to do with getting a far more personal view of a man's prostate than anyone other than his doctor or his lover should rightly have. o_O

Most lovers, I'm pretty sure, don't want to see that much.

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:17:53pm

re: #390 HoosierHoops

Me? English, but not Grammar.

409 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:17:54pm

re: #405 Lidane


[Link: artoftrolling.memebase.com...]

410 Lidane  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:18:04pm

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, true. Unless you're into that sort of thing. Heh.

411 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:19:02pm

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

Most lovers, I'm pretty sure, don't want to see that much.

So I shouldn't submit this subscription to "Popular Proctography" magazine?

412 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:19:10pm

re: #410 Lidane

Well, true. Unless you're into that sort of thing. Heh.

The fact fist can be a verb I find unsettling.

413 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:19:58pm

Well, to bring up a topic I am sure only I have thought about:

It's about time England changed the succession laws. I can't figure out why Japan hasn't already changed theirs.

The whole male-heir preference thing made a lot of sense when the king's job included carrying a sword and leading an army into battle, but not much sense when it mostly includes opening hospital wings and giving speeches.

A glamorous queen is almost a preference, at that point.

In today's world, Grace Kelly IS the perfect monarch.

414 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:20:54pm

re: #412 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The fact fist can be a verb I find unsettling.

Real love is always disquieting at first.

415 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:23:03pm

Hey, SFZ, when was the last time a British monarch actually went into battle? Battle of Hastings?

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:23:57pm

re: #413 EmmmieG

Queen Noor?

I prefer Queens to be Murikans by birth.

Well, excepting Freddie Mercury.

417 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:24:37pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

Hey, SFZ, when was the last time a British monarch actually went into battle? Battle of Hastings?

1743, George the Second.

418 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:24:50pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

Hey, SFZ, when was the last time a British monarch actually went into battle? Battle of Hastings?

IIRC, one of the princelings flew in the Falklands War.

419 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:25:00pm

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Queen Noor?

I prefer Queens to be Murikans by birth.

Well, excepting Freddie Mercury.

Exactly. Smile, look high class, and try not to say anything controversial.

If you're the Queen Mum, say whatever you wish.

420 Spocomptonite  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:25:15pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

No. I'm not going to attend these rallies. I didn't attend a tea party either. Why would I bother attending something that I'm not interested in?

WTF? I went to TEA Party gatherings and protests when I didn't agree with them. Why? So I could learn about them firsthand instead of making offhand assumptions. I asked them questions regarding the subject matter they were protesting to find out what they knew instead of just driving by and assuming they were idiots by their signs. Turned out they were idiots, but all the same. At least I had evidence instead of baseless assumptions. Also, getting to know them helped me to not dehumanize them even though I was being dehumanized by them, both indirectly and, in the case of the woman who screamed at me when she found out I was a college student, very directly.

You can't criticize something you know nothing about. That's called "pondefecating".

421 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:25:26pm

Dog. BBL

422 Kragar  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:25:40pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

IIRC, one of the princelings flew in the Falklands War.

Royalty, yes, but not the king.

423 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:26:06pm
424 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:28:15pm

re: #423 000G

OLIGARHY!!!!!

425 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:29:28pm

re: #417 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1743, George the Second.

Oh, it's only 4 years from the War of Jenkin's Ear.

So close. The last war could have been the War of Jenkin's Ear. Okay, a little less important than the war of Austrian succession, but still...

Historians everywhere weep for this lost opportunity.

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:33:09pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

IIRC, one of the princelings flew in the Falklands War.

Harry was trying to be a bad-ass in Afghanistan, IIRC. But the press fucked it up for him.

427 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:36:00pm

is this the fabled FNDT?

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:37:35pm

re: #427 albusteve

long time no see

429 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:37:49pm

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me? English, but not Grammar.

my grammar didn't speak too good english neither

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:39:13pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

Hey, SFZ, when was the last time a British monarch actually went into battle? Battle of Hastings?

Oh, later. Richard III was on the field at Bosworth, I know, although it is probably mere rural legend that the crown was found on the battlefield later, hanging from a hawthorn bush.

After that--maybe no one else.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:39:30pm

re: #417 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1743, George the Second.

Thanks!

432 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:39:51pm

re: #358 funky chicken

They got their tax breaks. They got their loosened regulations. They still haven't built their refineries. They are full of crap, and have been all along.

Here's a more recent story - march 2011, two new oil refineries (one of which is the Yuma, AZ, refinery) - The story I posted earlier was from 2005, right after Katrina. This story is from March 2011, and the following is quoted from the story:

Which refinery will actually become operational first appears to be a matter of who can jump through the hoops the quickest. Arizona Clean Fuels was originally scheduled to open in 2009. But it took SEVEN YEARS TO GET AN AIR QUALITY PERMIT.

According to the US Energy Information website, Arizona Clean Fuels is now expected to open in 2012. But the latest information on the company’s website says “Next major milestone, expected within the next few months, will be the announcement of the EPC contractor.” There have been no press updates posted on their site since 2009.

The AZ plant has had plenty of hoops to jump through.

433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:40:18pm

re: #427 albusteve

Nah. This is the real one.

Aesop has the fabled one.

Nice to see ya! How's tricks?

434 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:40:45pm

re: #427 albusteve

is this the fabled FNDT?

Where the heck have you been?

435 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:41:21pm

Even the Vatican

agrees with Occupy Wall Street

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:42:27pm

re: #425 EmmmieG

I never studied.

437 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:42:46pm

re: #434 reine.de.tout

Where the heck have you been?

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

long time no see

how do I look?

438 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:42:51pm

re: #427 albusteve

is this the fabled FNDT?

Good to see you. I was getting worried.

439 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:43:06pm

re: #432 reine.de.tout

Here's a more recent story - march 2011, two new oil refineries (one of which is the Yuma, AZ, refinery) - The story I posted earlier was from 2005, right after Katrina. This story is from March 2011, and the following is quoted from the story:

The AZ plant has had plenty of hoops to jump through.

What I said earlier was that it's not a simple matter of buying some land and starting to build. That is absolutely true.

440 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:43:14pm

re: #437 albusteve

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

how do I look?

as usual

441 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:43:44pm

re: #434 reine.de.tout

Where the heck have you been?

road trip...no net, news or tv...nice

442 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:43:52pm

re: #437 albusteve

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

how do I look?

You look GREAT! Now, where have you been?

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:44:25pm

re: #435 Ojoe

The Church has more money in the Pope's extra pants than Warren Buffet has.

(No offense, Catholics)

444 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:44:40pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

IIRC, one of the princelings flew in the Falklands War.

Las Malvinas son nuestras.

445 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:44:59pm

re: #438 Killgore Trout

Good to see you. I was getting worried.

nah, I won't leave without a friendly good riddance...
jus kidding

446 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:45:54pm

re: #435 Ojoe

Even the Vatican

agrees with Occupy Wall Street

Right on baby!

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:46:27pm

re: #445 albusteve

I need to go somewhere without net/tv/cell/etc availability. Sounds wonderful.

448 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:46:56pm

re: #433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #442 reine.de.tout

up north, then down south right past you're hood....had to go do family stuff in MI then took the back way home....2500mi

449 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:47:21pm

re: #396 Dreggas

you might find the lemon party interesting and meatspin is always worth a twirl or 2.

LOL. Yeah, maybe not.

450 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:47:54pm

re: #448 albusteve

re: #442 reine.de.tout

up north, then down south right past you're hood...had to go do family stuff in MI then took the back way home...2500mi

You were down this a-way and didn't let me know? Or did you mean FBV?

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:48:21pm

re: #448 albusteve

You... got a claaan
In Kalamazoooo

452 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:48:49pm

Getting ready for another Oneg Shabbos, second this month. This makes at least four trips to temple since I was last in wife's RC church. (Found a real issue that separates Jews and others in our small town--Friday night football schedules.)

453 Gus  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:51:12pm

re: #427 albusteve

is this the fabled FNDT?

Nope. This is yoga class. You want the room down the hall.

454 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:51:12pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, later. Richard III was on the field at Bosworth, I know, although it is probably mere rural legend that the crown was found on the battlefield later, hanging from a hawthorn bush.

After that--maybe no one else.

The Queen was an army princess-mechanic, and her house did catch a stray Luftwaffe bomb.

455 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:51:30pm

re: #450 reine.de.tout

You were down this a-way and didn't let me know? Or did you mean FBV?

I spent a day and night in NOLA...I missed the geaux cup gig...I came down through the MS Delta searching for the blues

456 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:52:32pm

re: #455 albusteve

I spent a day and night in NOLA...I missed the geaux cup gig...I came down through the MS Delta searching for the blues

Didja find what you were searching for?

457 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:53:30pm

re: #453 Gus 802

Nope. This is yoga class. You want the room down the hall.

I've been practicing folding my legs behind my neck chugging a pina colada

458 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:54:19pm

re: #457 albusteve

I've been practicing folding my legs behind my neck chugging a pina colada

You mean your leg?
Hey - didja get a prosthetic?
Damn, I'm full of questions - just tell me it's nonamybidness.

459 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:54:46pm

re: #456 reine.de.tout

Didja find what you were searching for?

yes...I love that area...there is a mystic quality up there that's hard to describe

460 funky chicken  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:56:27pm

re: #393 Lidane

It has nothing to do with a goat and everything to do with getting a far more personal view of a man's prostate than anyone other than his doctor or his lover should rightly have. o_O

Ah. I took a human anatomy course last semester with cadavers. I definitely saw more of that poor fellow's prostate and plumbing than I necessarily cared to experience. He would likely have agreed, come to think of it.

461 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:56:35pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

You mean your leg?
Hey - didja get a prosthetic?
Damn, I'm full of questions - just tell me it's nonamybidness.

Aug 12th...hard going tho, I've been struggling with the pain it causes, but I can walk around a bit on my own...it's coming back but very slowly

462 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:57:50pm

re: #461 albusteve

Aug 12th...hard going tho, I've been struggling with the pain it causes, but I can walk around a bit on my own...it's coming back but very slowly

{{steve}} sorry it causes pain, I wasn't aware that was part of the process. Wishing you all the best -

463 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:58:26pm

BBL

464 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 3:59:51pm

re: #462 reine.de.tout

{{steve}} sorry it causes pain, I wasn't aware that was part of the process. Wishing you all the best -

pain has been my life for over three years now...I'll survive, it's nothing compared to what I went through in that time

465 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:00:03pm

re: #427 albusteve

is this the fabled FNDT?

How was the road trip?

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:00:21pm

I'm against protesting, but I don't know how to show it.
-Mitch Hedberg

467 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:02:36pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm against protesting, but I don't know how to show it.
-Mitch Hedberg

I'm printing that on a bumper sticker now.

468 albusteve  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:03:17pm

re: #465 makeitstop

How was the road trip?

my mom is getting seriously old...I took over her trust and all legal matters, made a bunch of arrangements for her and the like...kinda sad, but I spent alot of time with my grandson, the Smartest Boy In The World...no shit

469 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 5:18:59pm

re: #468 albusteve

my mom is getting seriously old...I took over her trust and all legal matters, made a bunch of arrangements for her and the like...kinda sad, but I spent alot of time with my grandson, the Smartest Boy In The World...no shit

Sounds productive.

Welcome back. I stopped asking where you were a couple of weeks ago, figured you'd make your way back sometime.

470 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 28, 2011 6:01:20pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Extremism is factor. People giving speeches about revolution and waving communist flags is a turn off to most Americans. The violence is another factor depending on which side the public blames. There's also the general kooks, 9-11 truthers and conspiracy nuts can have and adverse effect on public opinion.
I think possibly a larger factor in public opinion that applies more to OWS than the Tea Party is the lawlessness within the camps. Rapes, stabbings, beatings really hurts the movement's credibility. Breitbart is hyping a story today about an underage girl was picked up at an OWS camp by a pimp/madame who prostituted her. Not all of the is related to ideology but it reflects poorly on the movement.

All good Republicans know you legalize the raping, then it's fine!

471 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:15:50am

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident that the people with the solutions to our economy and social ills are not wearing pantaloons and not camping in parks having drum circles.

Protests are not and have never been about providing detailed policy solutions. They are about elevating awareness of an issue and creating pressure for change to address that issue. Who the fuck doesn't know this?

Seriously.

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:38:57pm

re: #471 Jimmah


A++++ yes


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