Video: Climate Change Study Deals Crushing Blow to Denial Machine

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A team of researchers led by UC Berkeley physicist Richard Muller (a self-described “skeptic” on global warming) has dealt a crushing blow to the climate change denial machine. Their exhaustive study of millions of pieces of data, ironically funded by the far right billionaire Koch brothers, discovered that … gasp … the science behind global warming is absolutely solid.

Peter Sinclair’s newest video looks at the fallout from Muller’s research. The climate change denial bloggers, of course, are trying very hard to cast doubt on the study — because doubt is all they have to sell to the gullible conservative base.

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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:19:13am

I'll be watching the clip now. Before I do, I must quibble. They've refuted the "no global warming" argument (once again). But the Denial Machine is the PR machine first and foremost, not a science machine. So the only way they could deal such a blow is in the PR field - and that can be judged, for example, by major news outlets noticing and by politicians like John "The science has changed" McCain going back to sanity on this issue. Until this happens? The Denial Machine still wins. :(

2 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:19:47am

I have become convinced that there is no science which can penetrate the bubble of stupid when it comes to this topic. Fox News proved it yet again today.

3 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:19:58am

So, after years of claiming that all studies proving AGW was a "hoax" because they were government funded and thus part of some grand conspiracy, a corporate-funded study comes to the exact same conclusions?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
/

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:23:30am

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Also one thing needs to be emphasized here, so as not to fall into a trap when debating the deniers. The BEST was only about GW, not about AGW. This gives some of the deniers a cover - "but we never denied the GW, only the A part!". This is a transparent lie, since the "urban heat" kerfuffle and the whole "ClimateGate" were about the GW as such.

On the other hand, now that the BEST (again) confirms that the scientists were honest all along, this also removes the barriers some might have had for accepting the anthropogenic part. Besides making total sense, it's the consensus, after all.

5 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:25:21am

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Here is one spin:

Muller was never a skeptic at all but actually an undercover advocate for AGW! Koch got fooled!

[Link: blogs.dailymail.com...]

6 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:27:00am

Lol, Watt is in scramble mode over this. His posts are just silly.
XD

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:27:13am

re: #5 000G

And Republicans and the Koch brothers were too stupid to Google Richard Muller or to read his book and discover that their skeptic is and was and always will be an advocate of global warming.

Apparently so were Anthony Watts and a host of other "skeptics".

8 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:29:33am

It is very difficult to imagine that someone like Richard Muller is so clueless about the position of global warming skeptics. Is Muller really living so deeply under a rock that he truly has no idea about the substance of skeptics’ objections, or is Muller deliberately presenting a straw man argument with the intent of deceiving casual observers about the true nature of the global warming debate? Regardless of which is true, it does not reflect very well on Muller’s credibility. Nor does it reflect well on the media, which is similarly either damningly ignorant or damningly deceitful regarding the true nature of the global warming debate!!11ty

Actual words from the dipshit James M. Taylor.

9 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:32:13am

re: #6 Varek Raith

Lol, Watt is in scramble mode over this. His posts are just silly.
XD

Also, it seems Watt got pulled in by a cold fusion scam for a bit there...
Though, he now thinks it may be a scam.

NO SHIT!
XD

10 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:32:46am

re: #8 Gus 802

Heartland.org exists to spread denial of science. That is what they are funded (by big interests in fossil fuel) to do, so if they admit the truth then their jobs go away.

11 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:34:46am

Another spin, this time by Alex Jones show guest, anti-NWO freak and rwnj James Delingpole:

Let me explain what is going on here. And you can trust me: I'm not a climate scientist. What I am is someone eminently more qualified to deconstruct the semantic skullduggery going on here: a student of language, rhetoric and grade one bullshit.

In the first half of his piece, Professor Muller sets up his straw man. He does so by ascribing to "skeptics" views that they don't actually hold. Their case, he pretends for the sake of his wafer-thin argument, rests on the idea that the last century's land-based temperature data sets are so hopelessly corrupt that they have created the illusion of global warming where none actually exists.

No it doesn't. It has been a truth long acknowledged by climate sceptics, deniers and realists of every conceivable hue that since the mid-19th century, the planet has been on a warming trend – emerging, as it has been, from a widely known phenomenon known as the Little Ice Age. A period which in turn was preceded by the even better known Medieval Warming Period.

This is why the standard rebuttal to the term "climate change denier" is: "But I don't deny that climate changes. I recognise that it has done so since the dawn of time. What I question is not the process of climate change, but what causes is it, whether it represents a problem and whether there's anything we can do about it other than sensible mitigation."

But obviously, "Berkeley professor tells us nothing new under the sun" doesn't make such a good story. What's required in cases like this is a bit of judicious spin. So that's just what Professor Muller does: having first set up his straw man he then sets out to knock it down by revealing – ta da! – that whatever those pesky sceptics say the world definitely did get warmer in the Twentieth Century.

Except, duh! We know that. That's why sceptics are forever saying stuff like: "Yes, the planet did warm in the Twentieth Century. But only by about 0.7 degrees C, which is hardly a major threat". And: "Yes, the planet did warm in the Twentieth Century but what's your point? That there's some ideal, earlier colder average temperature that we should all strive to recreate by bombing our economy back to the dark ages?"

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

12 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:35:09am

re: #5 000G

Here is one spin:

[Link: blogs.dailymail.com...]

Don Surber is a blinkered wingnut moron.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:36:23am

Delingpole's photo says: "I'm an elitist douche".

14 jaunte  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:37:32am

In other science news, climate scientists discover that Fox personality Eric Bolling's skull is composed of the most impenetrable substance in the universe.
Image: derp.png

15 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:37:39am

The responses seem to the standard boilerplate: "We're not deniers, stop lying!"

16 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:38:01am

This gives me a chance to pimp my latest two Pages:

NOAA study: Human-caused climate change a major factor in more frequent Mediterranean droughts , which is just one of many ways of showing the "A" in AGW.

And my latest: Our Future? White House Garden Activist Calls for National Garden Strategy which relates to food security and how to go about tackling it in our brave new world.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:38:19am

"Troglodyte right." I like that. We should call them "trogs" for short. I didn't know Bill Gates was a trog though.

18 Lidane  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:38:53am

re: #10 freetoken

Didn't some Heartland douche come around here to LGF to try and defend them as something other than just an anti-AGW propaganda machine? I seem to remember that happening recently.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:39:55am

re: #18 Lidane

Yeah, he did.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:41:18am

re: #11 000G

It's absolutely, utterly FALSE that climate change "skeptics" accept that the Earth is warming. These people are just shameless with their lies.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

21 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:41:50am

re: #18 Lidane

I don't remember.

22 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:42:34am

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

Delingpole's photo says: "I'm an elitist douche".

Here he is @ The Alex Jones show:

Global Warming: A Religion of Anti-Science - Journalist James Delingpole

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
23 RadicalModerate  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:42:48am

re: #5 000G

Here is one spin:

[Link: blogs.dailymail.com...]

Oh, good old Don "Beaker" Surber. The guy makes Jim Hoft look like an intellectual giant.

Just mull over that one for a moment.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:43:58am

re: #22 000G

And here he looks like a bum.

25 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:44:14am

re: #22 000G

Here he is @ The Alex Jones show:

Global Warming: A Religion of Anti-Science - Journalist James Delingpole

[Video]

Oh God. Delingpole is a weirdo.

26 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:46:20am

re: #18 Lidane

Didn't some Heartland douche come around here to LGF to try and defend them as something other than just an anti-AGW propaganda machine? I seem to remember that happening recently.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

27 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:46:23am

re: #22 000G

It's so fitting that Delingpole ended up in the alternate universe of Alex Jones. I remember it was but a few years back that people here would link approvingly to Delingpole as some sort of evidence for this or that (such as proof that AGW was a scam.)

28 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:47:43am

The deniers who say that it's not humans who are causing it are rather close to creationists in many ways. Some of them make actual claims-- like it being an increase in solar activity-- but those are very easily disproven. Most of them simply wave their hands about the complexity of the system, refuse to believe scientists can understand the larger workings of a system without understanding every underpinning part, or use the stunning piece of illogic that since climate has changed before, it can't be possible that mankind is changing it now.

So, Watts and all the rest of them, in their new stance that of course they never argued about whether the earth is warming, are still called upon to explain why it is. The position of mainstream science is that CO2, which demonstrably traps heat in atmosphere, is trapping heat in atmosphere, and that mankind puts out a measurable amount of CO2 and that measurable amount is quite enough to cause the warming that we're seeing.

So what, in the wake of this, do the denialists actually lean on as an explanation for why the earth is warming?

29 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:48:08am

Aussie wingnut Tim Blair should probably be reading this soon.

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:49:36am

re: #28 Obdicut

I'm itching to semi-Godwin this thread, but I'll refrain. For now.

31 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:49:44am

re: #28 Obdicut

Tide goes in, tide goes out.

32 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:49:59am

I just had to follow Eric Bolling on Twitter. He's a source of endless derp -- probably the single dumbest Fox mouthpiece.

33 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:50:04am

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

Delingpole's photo says: "I'm an elitist douche".

Youtube Video

:)

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:50:48am

re: #33 Gus 802

[Video]:)

*cries*
*runs away*

35 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:52:39am

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Tide goes in, tide goes out.

No.
Tide goes in, stains come out.

36 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:53:19am

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

Also one thing needs to be emphasized here, so as not to fall into a trap when debating the deniers. The BEST was only about GW, not about AGW. This gives some of the deniers a cover - "but we never denied the GW, only the A part!". This is a transparent lie, since the "urban heat" kerfuffle and the whole "ClimateGate" were about the GW as such.

On the other hand, now that the BEST (again) confirms that the scientists were honest all along, this also removes the barriers some might have had for accepting the anthropogenic part. Besides making total sense, it's the consensus, after all.

Yes - leave misstatements about the findings for those who practice bad science.

Have you read all the laughable reactions that "skeptics" that the BEST findings matter not, because "skeptics" never doubted that the world is warming? Here's a nice juxtaposition of quotations to show the (ubiquitous) hypocrisy:

“The issue of “the world is warming” is not one that climate skeptics question, it is the magnitude and causes.”

A. Watts 2011

“Instrumental temperature data for the pre-satellite era (1850-1980) have been so widely, systematically, and uni-directionally tampered with that it cannot be credibly asserted there has been any significant “global warming” in the 20th century.”

A. Watts 2010

First line of the summary in the Watts/D’Aleo paper : Surface Temperature Records: Policy-Driven deception?

37 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:53:31am

re: #33 Gus 802

[Video]:)

I like the top comment.

If George Takei thinks I'm a douche bag, then I must be douche bag.

38 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:53:59am

re: #28 Obdicut

The deniers who say that it's not humans who are causing it are rather close to creationists in many ways. Some of them make actual claims-- like it being an increase in solar activity-- but those are very easily disproven. Most of them simply wave their hands about the complexity of the system, refuse to believe scientists can understand the larger workings of a system without understanding every underpinning part, or use the stunning piece of illogic that since climate has changed before, it can't be possible that mankind is changing it now.

So, Watts and all the rest of them, in their new stance that of course they never argued about whether the earth is warming, are still called upon to explain why it is. The position of mainstream science is that CO2, which demonstrably traps heat in atmosphere, is trapping heat in atmosphere, and that mankind puts out a measurable amount of CO2 and that measurable amount is quite enough to cause the warming that we're seeing.

So what, in the wake of this, do the denialists actually lean on as an explanation for why the earth is warming?

It seems to be a common thread amongst AGW deniers, evolution deniers, and "free market" believers, doesn't it? That refusal to accept any evidence that contradicts their belief in some "unseen, unknowable force" that acts totally outside man's control?

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:54:40am

re: #36 Talking Point Detective

Yes, Mark Moronio gathered quite a lot at ClimateDepot in the first days.

40 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:55:26am

My response to all wingnuts.

Youtube Video
41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:55:35am

re: #36 Talking Point Detective

And you know what? That's good because it makes them lie AND shifts the Overton Window back a bit.

42 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:56:35am

re: #39 Sergey Romanov

Yes, Mark Moronio gathered quite a lot at ClimateDepot in the first days.

Morano. Heh!

43 Mickey Blumental  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:57:09am

But that's the thing - the global warming deniers don't have any doubt that global warming is a hoax. They're not in doubt about it, they KNOW there is no global warming with absolute certainty because scientists are politically motivated liars and besides God is in charge of the world so people can pollute as much they want without giving a toss.

Just like they know with absolute certainty that Obama wasn't born in the US.

It must feel good being so sure of yourself.

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:57:18am

re: #42 Talking Point Detective

Which Delingpole happily cited with a dozen or so links.

45 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:57:18am

Lol.

Youtube Video
46 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:57:35am

If Watts is NOT taking issue with global warming as a whole, then why is his latest post:

"U.S. Hurricanes: worse than we thought…100 years ago"

That only makes sense to post if he were trying to cast doubt on global warming in general-- since an increase in hurricane activity is one of the predicted results of global warming. The cause, anthropogenic or otherwise, is immaterial.

And here is a guest post he had recently, which claims no warming in the past 100 years.

[Link: wattsupwiththat.com...]

47 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:58:04am

re: #36 Talking Point Detective

Have you read all the laughable reactions that "skeptics" that the BEST findings matter not, because "skeptics" never doubted that the world is warming?

Lulz. If that be so, pray tell, how do they explain derp such as this?

Hey there deniers, at least be consistent liars 9_9

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:58:57am

re: #47 publicityStunted

Lulz. If that be so, pray tell, how do they explain derp such as this?

Hey there deniers, at least be consistent liars 9_9

Somebody didn't get the correct talking points!

Luckily, TPD here is on the case.

49 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:59:49am

re: #43 Udon

But that's the thing - the global warming deniers don't have any doubt that global warming is a hoax. They're not in doubt about it, they KNOW there is no global warming with absolute certainty because scientists are politically motivated liars and besides God is in charge of the world so people can pollute as much they want without giving a toss.

Just like they know with absolute certainty that Obama wasn't born in the US.

It must feel good being so sure of yourself.

I particularly like the arguments, with absolute certainty, that they know AGW is a "hoax" because climate scientists don't properly recognize uncertainty.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:01:17pm

Speaking of AGW deniers and their arguments, last week I enjoyed Return of the Living Dead (with Rogue's endorsement), now I'm downloading the 2nd part.

51 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:01:54pm

So, can anyone guess which intellectual "giant" published just yesterday another screed on global warming?

Why yes, that idol of right wing intelligentsia, VDH himself:

Victor Davis Hanson: Global warming, RIP?

[...]

But despite a Democrat-controlled House and Senate in 2009-2010, President Obama never passed into law any global warming legislation. Now the issue is deader than a doornail.

So what happened to the global warming craze?
Corruption within the climate-change industry explains some of the sudden turnoff. “Climategate” — the unauthorized 2009 release of private emails from the Climatic Research Unit in the United Kingdom — revealed that many of the world's top climate scientists were knee-deep in manipulating scientific evidence to support preconceived conclusions and personal agendas.

Unfortunately, “green” during the last three years has also become synonymous with Solyndra-style crony capitalism. Common-sense ideas like more windmills, solar panels, retrofitted houses and electric cars have all been in the news lately. But the common themes were depressingly similar: few jobs created and little competitively priced energy produced.

Of course, it didn't help that the world's most prominent green spokesman, Nobel laureate Al Gore, made tens of millions of dollars from his own advocacy. And he adopted a lifestyle of jet travel and energy-hungry homes at odds with his pleas for everyone else to cut back.

But even without the corruption and hypocrisy, sincere advocates of man-made global warming overreached. At news that the planet had not heated up at all during the last 10 years, “global warming” gave way to “climate change.”


[...]

Every bit of stupid, re-warmed right-wing outrage, all easily refuted, spun again by the proclaimed intellectual giant of the right wing.

52 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:02:03pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

I see what you did there.

53 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:02:41pm

VDH must be getting ready to sell tickets to yet another cruise to Greece.

54 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:04:14pm

re: #46 Obdicut

If Watts is NOT taking issue with global warming as a whole, then why is his latest post:

"U.S. Hurricanes: worse than we thought…100 years ago"

That only makes sense to post if he were trying to cast doubt on global warming in general-- since an increase in hurricane activity is one of the predicted results of global warming. The cause, anthropogenic or otherwise, is immaterial.

And here is a guest post he had recently, which claims no warming in the past 100 years.

[Link: wattsupwiththat.com...]

His ubiquitous posts about unusual snowpack in the Sierra's, or other unusual cold weather phenomena also disprove his rhetoric.

Of course, he could say he's just interested in weather - but isn't it odd that the only (current) weather he posts about are unusual cold weather phenomena?

I particularly love the long lists of unusual weather over the past couple of hundreds of years - which just happen to neglect recent warm weather-related anomalies.

55 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:04:55pm

re: #51 freetoken

So, can anyone guess which intellectual "giant" published just yesterday another screed on global warming?

Why yes, that idol of right wing intelligentsia, VDH himself:

Victor Davis Hanson: Global warming, RIP?

Every bit of stupid, re-warmed right-wing outrage, all easily refuted, spun again by the proclaimed intellectual giant of the right wing.

And to think, I once considered the man a genius. Amazing what pulling one's head out of their arse can do to change perspective.

56 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:05:09pm

re: #51 freetoken

Again I'm struck by the apparent fact that the audiences of the right-wing media machine not only don't mind being lied to, it's what they actually want it. The reaction to Cain's "Build fence, electrify it-- haha, it's a joke" thing revealed this in a strong way.

I don't really get it, myself. I get mad at being lied to. I would have thought that was universal. I don't get the people who can simply ignore the contradictions and the bare, obvious lies.

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:06:52pm

re: #51 freetoken

VDH is such a pompous pimpled pimp... I can stand Ann Coulter who dumbs it down for the yahoos, but VDH has a pretense of being an intellectual, while being dumber than a ton of bricks.

58 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:07:55pm

re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And to think, I once considered the man a genius. Amazing what pulling one's head out of their arse can do to change perspective.

VDH is a classic case of someone who attained some recognition in one field (classical Greece), who then, merely on the power of that recognition and its marketability, decides to exploit their limited fame by riding any hobby-horse convenient.

It's a moral failure as much as an intellectual one. Being a con-artist is simply being skilled in lying to a particular audience, just enough to get gain by deceit.

59 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:08:06pm

re: #20 Charles

It's absolutely, utterly FALSE that climate change "skeptics" accept that the Earth is warming. These people are just shameless with their lies.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yes - I love that line of argumentation.


Have you seen the polls that break out Tea Partiers' opinions about climate change? They are interesting - especially that the vast majority of Tea Partiers self-evaluate that they are very well-informed about climate change and, get this, that they don't need more information to formulate their opinions.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:08:59pm

Oh, and VDH also did not get the "we don't deny GW" memo.

61 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:09:15pm

Nutburgers trying the courts again.
Birthers Sue Democratic National Committee

PHOENIX (CN) - A Tennessee group filed a federal class action against the Democratic National Committee, demanding an injunction restraining it from claiming that President Barack Obama is qualified to hold his office.
The lawsuit was filed by its lead plaintiff, the Liberty Legal Foundation, of Knoxville, Tenn.
"A Letter From Founder Van Irion" on the group's home page states: "Liberty Legal Foundation is dedicated to restoring Constitutional limits on government by overturning flawed legal precedent. We work towards this goal by filing lawsuits that challenge key legal precedent that is unconstitutional."
The letter says the group has filed class actions challenging the constitutionality of the "completely onerous" Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and another one in support of Arizona's immigration law.

62 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:09:34pm

re: #51 freetoken

So, can anyone guess which intellectual "giant" published just yesterday another screed on global warming?

Why yes, that idol of right wing intelligentsia, VDH himself:

Victor Davis Hanson: Global warming, RIP?

Every bit of stupid, re-warmed right-wing outrage, all easily refuted, spun again by the proclaimed intellectual giant of the right wing.

Yet another "final nail in the AGW coffin."

How many "final nails" can a coffin take?

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:10:18pm

re: #62 Talking Point Detective

Yet another "final nail in the AGW coffin."

How many "final nails" can a coffin take?

Think a pyramid. In Egypt.

64 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:10:27pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

Oh, and VDH also did not get the "we don't deny GW" memo.

It just reminded people that it's getting warmer in Australia just now.

65 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:10:31pm

re: #56 Obdicut

For example, when Obama touted corn biodesiel as a good thing, that made me mad. It was a small lie, or perhaps a miscomprehension on his part, but it still made me annoyed with him. That annoyance was tempered by the ways that he is, actually, more truthful than most other presidents and candidates, but it still pissed me off.

People like Perry, on the other hand, do nothing but lie. Almost nothing they say is true. Perry, a government employee who knows thousands of other government employees, stated that government doesn't create any jobs. That it can't do it. This is one of the most obvious lies that I've ever heard, and it doesn't appear to have angered his supporters at all.

Why? What is the trigger for people accepting being lied to? Is this that taqiyya thing I hear so much about?

66 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:10:40pm

Omg this Vandy/razorback game!

67 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:10:42pm

re: #56 Obdicut

Again I'm struck by the apparent fact that the audiences of the right-wing media machine not only don't mind being lied to, it's what they actually want it.

New official theme song for Fox News followers:

Youtube Video
68 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:10:53pm

re: #58 freetoken

He actually has a very low academic reputation in his field, too.

69 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:14:25pm

re: #65 Obdicut

For example, when Obama touted corn biodesiel as a good thing, that made me bad. It was a small lie, or perhaps a miscomprehension on his part, but it still made me annoyed with him. That annoyance was tempered by the ways that he is, actually, more truthful than most other presidents and candidates, but it still pissed me off.

People like Perry, on the other hand, do nothing but lie. Almost nE

oohingre: #65 Obdicut

For example, when Obama touted corn biodesiel as a good thing, that made me bad. It was a small lie, or perhaps a miscomprehension on his part, but it still made me annoyed with him. That annoyance was tempered by the ways that he is, actually, more truthful than most other presidents and candidates, but it still pissed me off.

People like Perry, on the other hand, do nothing but lie. Almost nothing they say is true. Perry, a government employee who knows thousands of other government employees, stated that government doesn't create any jobs. That it can't do it. This is one of the most obvious lies that I've ever heard, and it doesn't appear to have angered his supporters at all.

Why? What is the trigger for people accepting being lied to? Is this that taqiyya thing I hear so much about?

they say is true. Perry, a government employee who knows thousands of other government employees, stated that government doesn't create any jobs. That it can't do it. This is one of the most obvious lies that I've ever heard, and it doesn't appear to have angered his supporters at all.

Why? What is the trigger for people accepting being lied to? Is this that taqiyya thing I hear so much about?

Ethanol is a political tool...a disgrace

70 recusancy  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:14:29pm

re: #32 Charles

I just had to follow Eric Bolling on Twitter. He's a source of endless derp -- probably the single dumbest Fox mouthpiece.

Jock turned commodities trader. It's a perfect recipe.

71 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:15:20pm

re: #68 Obdicut

He actually has a very low academic reputation in his field, too.

But... but... but... President Bush gave him the National Humanities Medal.

72 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:15:48pm

re: #69 albusteve

No, ethanol would be just fine if we were producing it from a fast-growing grass source or from algae or, basically, any non-food product. It'd allow a lot of land that's not arable enough for food to be used for ethanol generation. There is nothing wrong with ethanol. It's just wrong to use food (or feed) in order to make it.

73 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:15:51pm

re: #69 albusteve

Ethanol is a political tool...a disgrace

Care for some clean coal with that ethanol salad?

//

74 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:17:40pm

re: #72 Obdicut

No, ethanol would be just fine if we were producing it from a fast-growing grass source or from algae or, basically, any non-food product. It'd allow a lot of land that's not arable enough for food to be used for ethanol generation. There is nothing wrong with ethanol. It's just wrong to use food (or feed) in order to make it.

Or picking a "winner" (corn ethanol) over a "loser" (Brazilian sugar ethanol) by imposing tariffs on the latter so that the former is seen as more "cost effective." You know, that thing we're told all the time the government shouldn't be doing.

75 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:17:50pm

re: #72 Obdicut

No, ethanol would be just fine if we were producing it from a fast-growing grass source or from algae or, basically, any non-food product. It'd allow a lot of land that's not arable enough for food to be used for ethanol generation. There is nothing wrong with ethanol. It's just wrong to use food (or feed) in order to make it.

Right...the source is the problem

76 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:19:09pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Ethanol is a political tool...a disgrace

Care for some clean coal with that ethanol salad?

//

Trying to figure out my new ipad...not so easy yet

77 recusancy  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:19:25pm

re: #75 albusteve

Right...the source is the problem

Well, if you're using the world's food supply as industrial fuel then yes, it is a problem. But I assume you mean it still puts carbon into the atmosphere, which it does so it's not an answer to the AGW problem.

78 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:19:36pm

re: #32 Charles

I just had to follow Eric Bolling on Twitter. He's a source of endless derp -- probably the single dumbest Fox mouthpiece.

A little reminder of his other greatest hits:

Fox Nation: 'Obama's Hip-Hop BBQ Didn't Create Jobs'

The Fox Nation website is the unfiltered id of Fox News; the stuff they hint at or imply on FoxNews.com is right out in the open at Nation.FoxNews.com. Remember when Fox Business host Eric Bolling was forced to issue an obviously insincere apology after his outrageously racist show about Obama inviting ...

Fox Host Eric Bolling: Obama Invites 'Hoods' to the 'Hizzouse'

Eric Bolling, the Fox Business host who often has genocide denier and anti-Muslim bigot Pamela Geller on his show, crossed a bright red line today into open racism. Media Matters was watching this nauseating display: Fox's Eric Bolling: Obama Is Hosting 'Hoodlums' In 'The Hizzouse'. Video Pure racist hatred: they're not even ...

Fox Business Host Bolling: 'Obama Chugging 40s'

Fox Business host Eric Bolling tonight on Twitter: Obama chugging 40's in IRE while tornadoes ravage MO.

Fox Business Host Wants Obama to Be Tortured

I've taken a look around the right wing blogs this morning, and they seem to be approaching some kind of Singularity of Bad Craziness, spewing completely out of control. President Obama's successful operation against Osama bin Laden has driven them even more insane. And Fox News is leading the way ...

79 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:20:16pm

Hemp !

80 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:20:16pm

re: #76 albusteve

Trying to figure out my new ipad...not so easy yet

I keep having this dream of one day finding an LGF app for my iPad.

81 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:21:52pm

re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I keep having this dream of one day finding an LGF app for my iPad.

Pretty cool...but I have to figure it out....I just plugged it in

82 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:22:50pm

re: #81 albusteve

Pretty cool...but I have to figure it out...I just plugged it in

Wifi-only or 3G capable?

83 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:22:56pm

re: #20 Charles

It's absolutely, utterly FALSE that climate change "skeptics" accept that the Earth is warming. These people are just shameless with their lies.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

BTW - a very thorough blog analysis of polling on beliefs re climate change broken down by political ideology. You may want to add it to your links if you haven't already:

[Link: tamino.wordpress.com...]

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:23:24pm

re: #65 Obdicut

People like Perry, on the other hand, do nothing but lie. Almost nothing they say is true. Perry, a government employee who knows thousands of other government employees, stated that government doesn't create any jobs. That it can't do it. This is one of the most obvious lies that I've ever heard, and it doesn't appear to have angered his supporters at all.

Government does not turn a profit, and that is what capitalism is about. Jobs are a by-product, the point of capitalism is to make money.
And since employees cost money, capitalism is geared to pay as little for labor costs as it can in order to optimize profits.

Government jobs do not often show up in a bottom line: their costs are often only indrectly measurable, as in: "what would happen if thery weren't doing their job?"

This is also part of the myth of the Job Creators. Best to call them the Money Makers, for whom personnel costs are just another expense to be minimized, like staples or toner cartridges.

The difference being that toner cartidges do not care if they get tossed on the scrap heap and become useless/redundant.

And the taxes needed to pay for government employees are seen as a drain on corporate profits, which they see as BAD BAD BAD.

85 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:23:54pm

re: #77 recusancy

Well, if you're using the world's food supply as industrial fuel then yes, it is a problem. But I assume you mean it still puts carbon into the atmosphere, which it does so it's not an answer to the AGW problem.

No, true plant-based ethanol is carbon neutral; actually, it's slightly a carbon sink. If you mean taking into account all the fuel necessary to grow and transport it, then maybe-- but it depends what fuel that transport is burning. If it's burning ethanol, then it's carbon neutral or sink.

86 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:25:41pm

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wifi-only or 3G capable?

Not sure...its an iPad2 and I'm out on my patio

87 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:26:35pm

re: #77 recusancy

Well, if you're using the world's food supply as industrial fuel then yes, it is a problem. But I assume you mean it still puts carbon into the atmosphere, which it does so it's not an answer to the AGW problem.

Much less than oil based fuels. Alcohol base yields less energy per volume than gasoline, but put out far less carbon. 20% as I recall. As Obdicut said it needs to not displace food crops. Not at seven billion mouths to feed.

88 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:27:53pm

re: #85 Obdicut

No, true plant-based ethanol is carbon neutral; actually, it's slightly a carbon sink. If you mean taking into account all the fuel necessary to grow and transport it, then maybe-- but it depends what fuel that transport is burning. If it's burning ethanol, then it's carbon neutral or sink.

And consider the fuel and chemicals the corn demands....corn is harsh on soil

89 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:28:01pm

re: #84 ralphieboy

Government does not turn a profit, and that is what capitalism is about. Jobs are a by-product, the point of capitalism is to make money.
And since employees cost money, capitalism is geared to pay as little for labor costs as it can in order to optimize profits.

This is also part of the myth of the Job Creators. Best to call them the Money Makers, for whom personnel costs are just another expense to be minimized, like staples or toner cartridges.

The difference being that toner cartidges do not care if they get tossed on the scrap heap and become useless/redundant.

Which is what made an argument I was having the other day with a wingnut so amusing. He kept insisting that, if we did away with the minimum wage, current wages would remain the same or even increase. Why? Well, because the almighty "Free Market" would be unshackled and finally able to "free up" money from paying bad workers to "reward" good ones.

Days I truly wish I could live in such a fantasy world. Perhaps it resembles what folks in the 50s thought the 21st century was going to look like.

90 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:28:11pm

re: #88 albusteve

And consider the fuel and chemicals the corn demands...corn is harsh on soil

And water.

91 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:29:24pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

It's carbon-neutral or a sink if you use fast-growing plants, like switchgrass or kudzu or something. They will use up more CO2 in their growth than will be produced by burning them (or their ethanol).

Not as good as biochar, but still good.

92 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:29:52pm

re: #86 albusteve

Not sure...its an iPad2 and I'm out on my patio

Ah, then I'm not sure how to tell the difference. I'm still working with an iPad1.

93 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:31:01pm

re: #90 Gus 802

And water.

Oh yeah....I forgot that stuff

94 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:32:49pm

re: #92 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, then I'm not sure how to tell the difference. I'm still working with an iPad1.

Im a technodope....lucky to get this far...my specialty is beer and football

95 recusancy  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:33:09pm

re: #91 Obdicut

It's carbon-neutral or a sink if you use fast-growing plants, like switchgrass or kudzu or something. They will use up more CO2 in their growth than will be produced by burning them (or their ethanol).

Not as good as biochar, but still good.

But how much can you get out of say a square mile of earth surface area? I just don't see how that could be sustainable with how much energy we need and how much room we'd have to grow it. I'm ignorant of the details on this, though.

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:33:41pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which is what made an argument I was having the other day with a wingnut so amusing. He kept insisting that, if we did away with the minimum wage, current wages would remain the same or even increase. Why? Well, because the almighty "Free Market" would be unshackled and finally able to "free up" money from paying bad workers to "reward" good ones.

Even in business, not every employee is producing or selling, a lot of jobs, like quality control or accounting, can only be measured interms of "what would happen if they weren't doing their job?"

97 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:34:41pm

re: #84 ralphieboy

Government does not turn a profit, and that is what capitalism is about. Jobs are a by-product, the point of capitalism is to make money.
And since employees cost money, capitalism is geared to pay as little for labor costs as it can in order to optimize profits.

This is also part of the myth of the Job Creators. Best to call them the Money Makers, for whom personnel costs are just another expense to be minimized, like staples or toner cartridges.

The difference being that toner cartidges do not care if they get tossed on the scrap heap and become useless/redundant.

and, not only is it stupid to assume that government should be run like a business, but also the people going around talking about how government should be run like a business show a very poor grasp of business

businesses hire more people when they think that they need to hire more people to make a bigger profit - not when they get a windfall of more money from a tax break. also, businesses will carry large debts, either short term or long term, as long as the books show an operating profit year to year

98 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:35:34pm

Pam is outraged by Islamic art exhibit.

It is time there was a museum exhibit dedicated to the victims of jihad. Where is the Met's showcase of the lives and cultures and histories of the 270 million victims of over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations, and enslavements? Where is the grandiose suite of new galleries dedicated to highlighting Islam's systematic dehumanization of women: honor killings, clitorectomies, and so much more?

What a moron.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:36:40pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

How did she calculate the death toll I wonder.

100 recusancy  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:37:20pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which is what made an argument I was having the other day with a wingnut so amusing. He kept insisting that, if we did away with the minimum wage, current wages would remain the same or even increase. Why? Well, because the almighty "Free Market" would be unshackled and finally able to "free up" money from paying bad workers to "reward" good ones.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's minimum wage, not minimum employees. Nobody's currently forcing them to hire bad employees. Why can't they fire their bad ones? That would free up the money to pay the good ones.

101 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:37:47pm

re: #99 Sergey Romanov

How did she calculate the death toll I wonder.

Image: stoli_logo.jpg

:)

102 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:37:56pm

re: #99 Sergey Romanov

How did she calculate the death toll I wonder.

Heh. She probably just made it up.

103 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:38:06pm

re: #96 ralphieboy

Even in business, not every employee is producing or selling, a lot of jobs, like quality control or accounting, can only be measured interms of "what would happen if they weren't doing their job?"

I never try to understand wingnut logic. It seems to be the same train upon which the idea that teachers can be "graded" and thus punished/rewarded without the quality of education crashing through the floor and tunneling to the center of the Earth.

It's like calls for "tax cuts" and "deregulation," it's corporations trying to sing siren songs of job creation. About how, if we just get government off their backs, they'll suddenly become powerhouses again and eliminate unemployment overnight. As though we're just supposed to forget the reasons why all these regulations and laws came into being in the first place.

104 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:39:19pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Heh. She probably just made it up.

Rule of nines!

270... 2 + 7 + 0 = 9

9-9-9

105 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:39:35pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Heh. She probably just made it up.

God keeps a count...he told her

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:39:54pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Aaah!

107 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:40:17pm

re: #95 recusancy

But how much can you get out of say a square mile of earth surface area? I just don't see how that could be sustainable with how much energy we need and how much room we'd have to grow it. I'm ignorant of the details on this, though.

That all depends. Would it be a replacement for every drop of gas and oil currently being used? No. Would it be a good solution while we transition, and for those things that simply need 'fuel' and batteries are untenable? Yep.

108 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:41:16pm

re: #100 recusancy

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's minimum wage, not minimum employees. Nobody's currently forcing them to hire bad employees. Why can't they fire their bad ones? That would free up the money to pay the good ones.

Because corporations are already doing that. Or, rather, they're firing "bad" employees, dumping their workload on the "good" ones, then pocketing the difference as well as the money they make off their stocks increasing due to "increased productivity." And that's when they're not just firing employees altogether and either sending the jobs overseas or automating them out of existence.

109 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:42:18pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Pam is outraged by Islamic art exhibit.

It is time there was a museum exhibit dedicated to the victims of jihad. Where is the Met's showcase of the lives and cultures and histories of the 270 million victims of over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations, and enslavements? Where is the grandiose suite of new galleries dedicated to highlighting Islam's systematic dehumanization of women: honor killings, clitorectomies, and so much more?

What a moron.

Remember, though -- Pamela Geller loves her some Muslims! Just loves 'em to death.

110 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:42:28pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

the almighty "Free Market" would be unshackled and finally able to "free up" money from paying bad workers to "reward" good ones

the right wing fantasies of the magical powers of the free market fairy and the communist fantasies of a society where humans suddenly lose their selfish and lazy traits strike me as equally naive

111 zora  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:43:01pm

re: #99 Sergey Romanov

How did she calculate the death toll I wonder.

vodka.

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:43:57pm

re: #111 zora

vodka.

*ding ding ding*

We have a consensus here.

113 recusancy  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:44:39pm

re: #107 Obdicut

That all depends. Would it be a replacement for every drop of gas and oil currently being used? No. Would it be a good solution while we transition, and for those things that simply need 'fuel' and batteries are untenable? Yep.

Ah, good point. I'm thinking in absolutes too much. The only problem I see with that is how do we get off of that drug once it's in our veins and companies have money and lobbyists. I see us getting "stuck" in the transition phase. But I suppose that's better then doing the current, nothing.

114 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:45:51pm

Here's another quote:

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school."

Let's see. 270,000,000 / 1,400 = 192,857 /365 = 528

So according to this fake number "political Islam" has killed on average approximately 192,857 people per year or 528 people per day or 22 people per hour.

115 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:46:43pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Pam is outraged by Islamic art exhibit.

What a moron.

does this woman have a respectable day job or is she making a living from hate?

116 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:47:24pm

re: #115 engineer dog

does this woman have a respectable day job or is she making a living from hate?

She divorced some rich guy.

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:48:26pm

IZLAM KILED 270000000 MILLIONG BAZILLION GOOGOL PEEPLE! *ick*

118 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:48:32pm

Think I found it.

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school. -- Bill Warner

So let's go over to "Tears of Jihad".

Tears of Jihad

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans

Christians

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

60 million Christians

Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

80 million Hindus

Buddhists

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

10 million Buddhists

Jews

Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

There you have it Sergey.

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:50:21pm

re: #118 Gus 802

That's not vodka, my friend. That's at least heroin+LSD, but even that may not be enough.

120 jaunte  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:51:33pm

re: #118 Gus 802

Think I found it.

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school. -- Bill Warner

I recognize that mustache...
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

121 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:52:23pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

That's not vodka, my friend. That's at least heroin+LSD, but even that may not be enough.

Pretty much. You can see off the bat that he's blaming (via Sowell) 120 million deaths from the slave trade from Africa... on Muslims. Pathetic.

122 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:52:48pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

That's not vodka, my friend. That's at least heroin+LSD, but even that may not be enough.

Gellerjuanna

123 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:54:19pm

re: #120 jaunte

I recognize that mustache...
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

Thanks.

BILL FRENCH
ORGANIZATION Heads the for-profit Center for the Study of Political Islam in Nashville.

CREDENTIALS Former Tennessee State University physics professor; author of Sharia Law for Non-Muslims (2010; under the pen name Bill Warner).

SUMMARY French has no formal training or background in law, Islam or Shariah law — which in any case is not an established legal code, as the book title implies, but a fluid concept subject to a wide range of interpretations and applications. He garnered attention recently by leading the opposition to a proposed mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn.

IN HIS OWN WORDS "The two driving forces of our civilization are the Golden Rule and critical thought. … There is no Golden Rule in Islam. ... There is not really even a Ten Commandments."
—Quoted in The [Blount County, Tenn.] Daily Times, March 4, 2011

"This offends Allah. You offend Allah."
— Quoted in The Tennesseean, Oct. 24, 2010, speaking to opponents of the Murfreesboro mosque while pointing to an American flag

124 jaunte  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:56:07pm

re: #123 Gus 802

...the for-profit Center for the Study of Political Islam

There's no profit like fear profit.

125 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:58:24pm

re: #124 jaunte

There's no profit like fear profit.

and Allah is its prophet of choice...

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:08:51pm

re: #118 Gus 802

Something doesn't match in that table (well, beyond all the data being bogus).

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

60 million Christians

Note that the Trends book is in no way scholarly, it's just a wacky collection of tables and graphs. Here's the table 4-10 - as you can see it is pretty "exhaustive".

[Link: books.google.com...]

No way the authors could have missed the additional "50 million Christians". And if they did, surely their work is so flawed it cannot be relied upon? But what is a sleight of hand between friends.

127 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:11:40pm

Doesn't this sound familiar though?

The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.

Can we now apply this towards the North and South American Indians? And you know who bought the African slaves that came to America?

128 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:13:03pm

Islam killed Albus Dumbledore

129 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:13:46pm

re: #126 Sergey Romanov

Something doesn't match in that table (well, beyond all the data being bogus).

Note that the Trends book is in no way scholarly, it's just a wacky collection of tables and graphs. Here's the table 4-10 - as you can see it is pretty "exhaustive".

[Link: books.google.com...]

No way the authors could have missed the additional "50 million Christians". And if they did, surely their work is so flawed it cannot be relied upon? But what is a sleight of hand between friends.

The last time these people took a census they concluded that the Earth was 5,000 years old.

//

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:14:32pm

re: #126 Sergey Romanov

Now the next step. Part of the above quote:

A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

And yet:

[Link: www.serfes.org...]

Between the tolls exacted from prisons, concentration camps, forced marches and exiles, warfare, famine, and brutal military occupation, it is reasonable to conclude that up to 50 million Orthodox Christians have perished in the first eight decades of the twentieth century.

Yeah, that's right. He is talking about deaths from all causes, including repressions and famine deaths in USSR (the number is still bogus, but that is beside the point).

Pamela's source simply to this number and labeled it as "deaths from Jihad".

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:15:11pm

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

Surely for being gay?

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:16:28pm

Bumblebore.

133 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:17:53pm

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

Stalin the secret Jihadi.

134 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:18:51pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Stalin the secret Jihadi.

Atheist, Muslim... what's the difference.

//

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:19:59pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Stalin the secret Jihadi.

But doubly-secret Joo too!/

136 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:20:06pm

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

Now the next step. Part of the above quote:

And yet:

[Link: www.serfes.org...]

Yeah, that's right. He is talking about deaths from all causes, including repressions and famine deaths in USSR (the number is still bogus, but that is beside the point).

Pamela's source simply to this number and labeled it as "deaths from Jihad".

Was just looking at that. It ends with this:

(Editors Notes: We cannot even well imagine but "50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust" is not the correct number, as we have learned from Alexander Solzhenitsyn that more then 66.5 million Orthodox Christians also perished from 1917 and onward during the times of the Soviet Union. Secondly the New Martyrs of Serbia are increasing, the killing of innocent people, the destruction of Churches, Monasteries, Cemeteries, and homes, as well as a massive killings of Serbian Orthodox Christians, and countless missing people.)

Holy New Priest
Martyr Stefan of Kosovo,
Pray Unto GOD For Us!

Holy New Martyrs, and
Confessors Of Holy Orthodox Faith,
Pray Unto GOD For Us!

GLORY BE TO GOD FOR ALL THINGS!

137 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:20:22pm

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

But doubly-secret Joo too!/

Atheist, Jewish... what's the difference.

//

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:21:49pm

re: #136 Gus 802

Yeah, quoting Solzh (an outdated source as well as a non-historian) for Commie death stats immediately puts one into "a moron ignorant of historical method" category.

139 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:22:58pm

20 rockets fired at South; injuries in Ashkelon, Gan Yavne
(with video)

Islamic Jihad's propaganda wing released a video on the Internet on Saturday showing a mounted multi-rocket launcher. The video is part of a boast by the Iranian-backed terror group that its rocket launching capabilities have improved over recent years. The group's claim that the video was taken from Saturday in Gaza could not be independently confirmed. But the organization has been the recipient of large-scale Iranian support, both military and financial.

Definitely new rocket technology in Gaza. I've never seen them with multiple launchers before.

140 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:24:35pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

20 rockets fired at South; injuries in Ashkelon, Gan Yavne
(with video)

Definitely new rocket technology in Gaza. I've never seen them with multiple launchers before.

deserves a multiple response

141 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:25:27pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

That is not going to slip by without a kinetic response, I's wager. Crap. How do they hide weapons that large?

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:26:02pm

Now this:

Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

80 million Hindus

Elst seems to be some sort of an ideologue:

Koenraad Elst (born 7 August 1959) is a Belgian writer and orientalist (without institutional affiliation). He was an editor of the New Right Flemish nationalist journal Teksten, Kommentaren en Studies from 1992 to 1995, focusing on criticism of Islam, various other conservative and Flemish separatist publications such as Nucleus, 't Pallieterke, Secessie and The Brussels Journal. Having authored fifteen English language books on topics related to Indian politics and communalism, Elst is one of the most well-known western writers (along with François Gautier) to actively defend the Hindutva ideology. His writings are frequently featured in right-wing publications.

143 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:27:32pm

re: #141 Rightwingconspirator

That is not going to slip by without a kinetic response, I's wager. Crap. How do they hide weapons that large?

Video of Terrorist Squad Preparing to Launch Rocket From Gaza at Israel

Youtube Video

This one is a single launcher but it's definitely bigger than what they've been using in the past.
144 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:28:24pm

re: #140 albusteve

deserves a multiple response

Israel will give them a week or two of this nonsense before issuing a serious threat.

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:28:35pm

re: #142 Sergey Romanov

Elst actively contributes to nationalist New Right Flemish publications, and has shown sympathy to the Nouvelle Droite movement since the early 1990s.

[...]

Jan De Zutter criticized Elst for being too close with the Vlaams Belang, as in June 1992, Koenraad Elst gave a speech directed against Islam at the Vlaams Blok Colloquium where the party proposed its first version of its 70 point anti-immigration policy[17] Elst said that he spoke there because it was the only party where the "problem of Islam" was brought up, but that he also explicitly said that he did not agree with the party's solution for that problem, and disapproved of their xenophobia.[18] He stated that the VB can not be and was never his party because of its xenophobia and ethnocentrism.[19] Since this event, he has often been accused of being the party's specialist on Islam and its link with the new Pagan Movement.[citation needed] Though he himself denies any affinity to the party program,[20] he admits to "lukewarm" sympathy for the Flemish cause (of independence).[21] Lucas Catherine contrasted Elst's viewpoint with the viewpoint of Filip Dewinter, who according to him could not have been very happy with Elst's opinion that not Muslims, but Islam, is the problem.[22]

Oh-kay...

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:32:26pm

re: #145 Sergey Romanov

But then I look in the book itself and find this:

[Link: koenraadelst.bharatvani.org...]

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention Prof. K.S.Lal's estimates about the population figures in medieval India (Growth of Muslim Population in India). According to his calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). More research is needed before we can settle for a quantitatively accurate evaluation of Muslim rule in India, but at least we know for sure that the term crime against humanity is not exaggerated.

May I have a *facepalm*, brothers and sisters?

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:36:12pm

re: #146 Sergey Romanov

To elaborate a bit - not only it would be quite hard to estimate populations enough to get such a number between 1000 and 1525, even if the number were true, it does not amount to the number of Hindus killed by Muslims! It's a population decrease, and those happen for lots of reasons.

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:45:20pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

K.S. Lal's study of the demographic situation in medieval India was also criticized. Simon Digby criticized the book in a review in "Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies":
"The author is known for his detailed studies of the Khalji dynasty and of the fifteenth-century Delhi Sultanate. He is well versed in the sources of medieval North Indian history. In the present study he has assembled almost all the conceivably relevant data and for this reason it will remain of value as a compendium of references. Yet the unknown variables are so great and the quality of the data yielded by our sources so poor that almost any detailed general estimates of population based upon them must appear wilful, if not fantastic."

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:48:46pm

[Link: koenraadelst.bharatvani.org...]

Prof. K.S. Lal once estimated that the Indian population declined by 50 million under the Sultanate, but that would be hard to substantiate; research into the magnitude of the damage Islam did to India is yet to start in right earnest

Wait, what?

150 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:52:09pm

Shit, if there are any protesters left at OWS my hat's off to them. It is goddamn nasty out there.

Lots of broken trees, too.

151 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:57:47pm

Time to crash. Later.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 1:58:42pm

re: #150 Obdicut

There a weather related thing going on in NY?

153 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:04:10pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There a weather related thing going on in NY?

Big snowstorm. Its' still warm so it's mostly melting but it is nasty. Lots of trees losing branches.

154 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:04:52pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There a weather related thing going on in NY?

You would have to be without cable TV news to miss it today.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:07:44pm

re: #154 bratwurst

Just sat down. Been without internet, tv and cellphone for most of the day.

I'm going as Albusteve for Halloween.

156 bratwurst  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:09:46pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm going as Albusteve for Halloween.

You hit the ONLY possible explanation.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:11:40pm

BTW, watched the new show "Grimm" last night. I really liked it. Very cool concept.

158 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:12:25pm

re: #154 bratwurst

You would have to be without cable TV news to miss it today.

Well - some of us have other things to do and/or worry about than what the weather is like in NY. I mean, I understand it's the most important place in the world and all - but still -

159 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:15:40pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

Well - some of us have other things to do and/or worry about than what the weather is like in NY. I mean, I understand it's the most important place in the world and all - but still -

You have to remember Daffy is dead, no dead blonds, producers at the cable networks are probably hoping for a kittehn to be stuck in a tree somewhere. Sucks to be them.

160 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:21:22pm

FYI: Florida 17 GA 10 @ the 1/2

161 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:22:26pm

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

You have to remember Daffy is dead, no dead blonds, producers at the cable networks are probably hoping for a kittehn to be stuck in a tree somewhere. Sucks to be them.

Ah!

You know, the dead blond thing is very curious to me. I keep wondering if I should bleach my hair to make sure that someone will notice if I happen to die.

162 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:22:50pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

FYI: Florida 17 GA 10 @ the 1/2

World's Largest cocktail party!!! WOOT!!

163 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:24:45pm

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

World's Largest cocktail party!!! WOOT!!

I'm doing my best with the west coasters!

164 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:24:48pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

Well - some of us have other things to do and/or worry about than what the weather is like in NY. I mean, I understand it's the most important place in the world and all - but still -

tv/monitor addiction....
there is no cure

165 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:25:35pm

re: #161 reine.de.tout

Ah!

You know, the dead blond thing is very curious to me. I keep wondering if I should bleach my hair to make sure that someone will notice if I happen to die.

I would say look out for this guy but he has no preference.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

166 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:26:34pm

Gah, just saw the first pregnant nun. A busboy @sushi bar next door. Quite the sight.

167 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:28:49pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Image: user510_pic434_1214274448.jpg

168 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:32:05pm

Los Angeles (CNN) – For many American Christians, Halloween is innocent, harmless and fun, and they trick-or-treat, carve pumpkins and don costumes with gusto.
For others, though – especially for some conservative and fundamentalist Christians - Halloween is a celebration of evil and has no place in the life of a believer.

legislation...must stop the sin

[Link: religion.blogs.cnn.com...]

169 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:39:38pm

re: #167 Obdicut

Image: user510_pic434_1214274448.jpg

Halloween costumes. I do like the waitress @the sports bar I'm at. You feel that she's really cute, but the blood and black lips make you wonder.

170 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:40:26pm

Hallowe'en in Satan's Birthday!!!

Funny, here in Germany it is an "artificial" holiday, one that used to be celebrated here ages ago (and still is in a few isolated villages) but died out and was reintroduced through the American influence (the giant party the GI's used to throw at castle Frankenstein, for example) and the Hallowe'en bashes thrown at the Irish pubs.

A lot of Lutherans don't like it because it falls on Reformation Day, which is their big denominational holiday. (I don't know what the traditions for that are, probably involves dressing up as a monk and going about nailng theses to church doors).

And a lot of other don't like it because they see it as "un-German", and somehow detrimental to their culture. But it has started to catch on and has been steadily growing over the past decade or so.

And the big plus in the Rhineland is that Nov 1st is a holiday, All Saint's Day, so you can party 'til you're purple and don't have to worry about moving it to the nearest weekend.

171 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:42:37pm

I work with 3 chicks, we are all going as witches on Monday.

172 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:42:49pm

re: #170 ralphieboy

Hallowe'en in Satan's Birthday!!!

Funny, here in Germany it is an "artificial" holiday, one that used to be celebrated here ages ago (and still is in a few isolated villages) but died out and was reintroduced through the American influence (the giant party the GI's used to throw at castle Frankenstein, for example) and the Hallowe'en bashes thrown at the Irish pubs.

A lot of Lutherans don't like it because it falls on Reformation Day, which is their big denominational holiday. (I don't know what the traditions for that are, probably involves dressing up as a monk and going about nailng theses to church doors).

And a lot of other don't like it because they see it as "un-German", and somehow detrimental to their culture. But it has started to catch on and has been steadily growing over the past decade or so.

Christians invented sin and as a sinner you could buy your way to redemption...nice gig

173 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:43:04pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

I work with 3 chicks, we are all going as witches on Monday.

So, nothing new?
/

174 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:43:24pm

It has been raining, sleeting and snowing all day in Philly. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

175 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:44:18pm

re: #170 ralphieboy

Hallowe'en in Satan's Birthday!!!

Funny, here in Germany it is an "artificial" holiday, one that used to be celebrated here ages ago (and still is in a few isolated villages) but died out and was reintroduced through the American influence (the giant party the GI's used to throw at castle Frankenstein, for example) and the Hallowe'en bashes thrown at the Irish pubs.

A lot of Lutherans don't like it because it falls on Reformation Day, which is their big denominational holiday. (I don't know what the traditions for that are, probably involves dressing up as a monk and going about nailng theses to church doors).

And a lot of other don't like it because they see it as "un-German", and somehow detrimental to their culture. But it has started to catch on and has been steadily growing over the past decade or so.

We'll get everyone celebrating the 4th of July eventually.

176 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:44:38pm

re: #174 PhillyPretzel

It has been raining, sleeting and snowing all day in Philly. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

cool...wait til the Eagles face the Cowboy running game tomorrow night...
you a football fan?

177 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:45:15pm

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, nothing new?
/

Exactly. That's the plan you asshole salespeople who's shit we sweep up daily.

178 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:45:38pm

re: #176 albusteve
No I am not. I do hope the Eagles win.

179 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:46:24pm

re: #178 PhillyPretzel

No I am not. I do hope the Eagles win.

the Eagles are evil....god hates them

180 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:47:58pm

re: #179 albusteve
No they are not evil. That is the fans of the "boids." /

181 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:49:55pm

re: #179 albusteve

the Eagles are evil...god hates them

Upding!

182 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:51:44pm

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

Upding!

M Vick is the Son of Satan...
heh

183 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:52:05pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Video of Terrorist Squad Preparing to Launch Rocket From Gaza at Israel

[Video]
This one is a single launcher but it's definitely bigger than what they've been using in the past.

They must be trying out the new toys they are getting from Egypt.

184 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:52:26pm

re: #182 albusteve
That I will agree with.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:52:47pm

re: #182 albusteve

M Vick is the Son of Satan...
heh

He eats puppies for breakfast.

186 BishopX  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:52:57pm

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

More likely Libya...

187 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:54:10pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

He eats puppies for breakfast.

that's why he is burning in Helladelphia right now

188 OhNoZombies!  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:56:21pm

I'm passing out candy, and I'm late to the thread, but to all the climate skeptics I say:
:-p

189 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:56:39pm

Ok, to temper my booze intake I bought the buffet. So far I've had chicken wings, lasagna, a taco, chips & salsa, a hot dog & some deep fried Mac & cheese. Gonna have the baked potato I think next. Getting my money's worth! (then no food for me tomorrow!!!)

190 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:57:16pm

we need to criminalize fucking...see here
[Link: www.mnn.com...]

191 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 2:58:21pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

How was the deep fried Mac & Cheese? How do they even do that?

192 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:01:42pm

re: #191 prairiefire

How was the deep fried Mac & Cheese? How do they even do that?

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

I figured they would make the mac n cheese then cool it in the fridge overnight. You can also make fried ice cream.

193 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:02:39pm

re: #191 prairiefire

How was the deep fried Mac & Cheese? How do they even do that?

Not bad for fried food. Little balls of cheesy goo. Mmmmmmm I'm being bad.

Must getback to game, we are sucking cause IM not paying attn.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:03:15pm

re: #190 albusteve

we need to criminalize fucking...see here
[Link: www.mnn.com...]

What does the 7th billion baby win?

195 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:04:36pm

re: #194 NJDhockeyfan

What does the 7th billion baby win?

a trip to Disney World

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:08:05pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

I work with 3 chicks, we are all going as witches on Monday.

Youtube Video
197 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:10:39pm

re: #196 WindUpBird

[Video]

the blood was overly gooy...I hate that

198 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:11:01pm

7 Billionth Baby

i call band name!

199 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:11:50pm

re: #198 engineer dog
That sounds good.

200 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:15:43pm

Scary news coming out of Libya...

Al-Qaida plants its flag — literally — in Libya

If there were questions about al-Qaida’s role in post-Gadhafi Libya, VICE reporter Sherif Elhelwa provides some answers in a new story with eyewitness descriptions.

Al-Qaida flags, Elhelwa reports, are popping up around Benghazi. At the city courthouse, which played a prominent role in the Libyan revolution, residents are flying the late terrorist’s Osama bin Laden’s colors.

Similarly, Elhelwa recounts a regular evening sight: “Islamists driving brand-new SUVs and waving the black al Qaeda flag drive the city’s streets at night.”

Armed guards walk the streets, he reports, inspiring fear. Friendly civilians hurriedly warn Elhelwa that he is being watched by the Islamists. “I recommend that you leave now,” he is told.

Confirming his suspicion that Islamist extremists may have a larger foothold in the recovering region, one partisan near the courthouse threatens Elhelwa, warning him that if he disparages the al-Qaida flag, “we will cut off [your] tongue. I recommend that you don’t publish these [images]. You will bring trouble to yourself.”

“The war to rid the country of the Gadhafi dictatorship might have ended,” Elhelwa says, “but the battle for control of post-revolutionary Libya has only just begun.”

201 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:16:04pm

re: #196 WindUpBird

[Video]

re: #196 WindUpBird

[Video]

I'm on iPhone - hated no flash. I trust it was good.

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:16:29pm

re: #197 albusteve

the blood was overly gooy...I hate that

but space binoculars in the space desert!

203 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:16:34pm

I'm not sure which is more important to me, an Eagle win or a Cowboy loss.

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:16:46pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

re: #196 WindUpBird

I'm on iPhone - hated no flash. I trust it was good.

it is proper stoner rock :D

205 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:17:55pm

re: #203 SteveMcG

I'm not sure which is more important to me, an Eagle win or a Cowboy loss.

Eagle loss.

206 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:18:52pm

Prairie, just got my baked p, and see they have brownies. The end is nigh.

Come on Gators!

207 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:19:51pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

You know, if the Cowboys play the Giants, I root for the Giants. It amazes me that somebody doesn't regard the Cowboys as the lowest form of pondscum. You must be un-American.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:21:18pm

re: #207 SteveMcG

You know, if the Cowboys play the Giants, I root for the Giants. It amazes me that somebody doesn't regard the Cowboys as the lowest form of pondscum. You must be un-American.

I've seen the Cowboys play in Philly and I've witnessed pondscum walking through the stadium during the game.

;)

209 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:21:25pm

re: #207 SteveMcG

You know, if the Cowboys play the Giants, I root for the Giants. It amazes me that somebody doesn't regard the Cowboys as the lowest form of pondscum. You must be un-American.

five rings...right...
your football insights are revealing

210 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:22:03pm

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

Cowboy fans turn up in the strangest places.

211 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:22:17pm

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

I've seen the Cowboys play in Philly and I've witnessed pondscum walking through the stadium during the game.

;)

they even hate Santa Clause...
preach it brother

212 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:23:55pm

re: #210 SteveMcG

Cowboy fans turn up in the strangest places.

We like to see what Hell looks like in person.

213 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:24:29pm

re: #210 SteveMcG

Cowboy fans turn up in the strangest places.

like stadiums?...
the biggest draw in NFL history by far...
if it wasn't for the Cowboys, Eagles fan would stay home in droves

214 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:25:06pm

re: #211 albusteve

they even hate Santa Clause...
preach it brother

That Santa Clause was drunk. They were doing him a favor. And how many of those rings are on your finger? The Cowboys would never have won any of those Super Bowls without a lot of help from the referees and the league. The only thing nearly as contemptable as a Cowboy fan is a Celtic fan.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:25:43pm

re: #209 albusteve

five rings...right...
your football insights are revealing

What do you call 47 people sitting around a TV watching the Super
Bowl?

The Philadelphia Eagles

216 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:26:46pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

What do you call 47 people sitting around a TV watching the Super
Bowl?

The Philadelphia Eagles

Football? What's that?
(Los Angeles humor-two stadiums, no NFL)

217 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:27:14pm

re: #214 SteveMcG

That Santa Clause was drunk. They were doing him a favor. And how many of those rings are on your finger? The Cowboys would never have won any of those Super Bowls without a lot of help from the referees and the league. The only thing nearly as contemptable as a Cowboy fan is a Celtic fan.

What do the Philadelphia Eagles and Billy Graham have in common?

They both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell "Jesus
Christ"

218 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:27:49pm

@#$%^ It is still snowing outside. :(

219 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:28:20pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

@#$%^ It is still snowing outside. :(

Make a snowman!

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:29:22pm

re: #211 albusteve

they even hate Santa Clause...
preach it brother

Just wait for November 7th, Steve. The Eagles are going to get clobbered by the Bears on Monday Night Football. Michael Vick has never done well against Chicago and ace linebackers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs are the reasons why. So if you long to see Michael Vick take some hard hits, tune to ESPN on the 7th and watch him get smashed.

221 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:29:28pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

Love the snow. Someday, I'll have seen enough, but I still get excited when I see it. It's 2011 for God's sake. Brush the snow off the car and go. Better yet, take a walk.

222 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:29:42pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan
There is just enough to make a snowball on my lawn.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:30:17pm

re: #222 PhillyPretzel

There is just enough to make a snowball on my lawn.

Oh swell. That means you have to narrow it down to the most deserving candidate.

224 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:30:30pm

re: #214 SteveMcG

That Santa Clause was drunk. They were doing him a favor. And how many of those rings are on your finger? The Cowboys would never have won any of those Super Bowls without a lot of help from the referees and the league. The only thing nearly as contemptable as a Cowboy fan is a Celtic fan.

another self righteous Eagles fan...Dallas owns you...we beet the shit out of Jaworski and Wilbert before you were born...the Eagles were never the same...the Cowboys fucked you up so bad you drafted a fat ass ham like McNabb to beat them

225 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:31:35pm

re: #224 albusteve

another self righteous Eagles fan...Dallas owns you...we beet the shit out of Jaworski and Wilbert before you were born...the Eagles were never the same...the Cowboys fucked you up so bad you drafted a fat ass ham like McNabb to beat them

Who is McNabb?

226 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:31:40pm

re: #223 EmmmieG
I have one. My kid sister. :)

227 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:31:58pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Vick had a couple good games against the Bucs (that's about it) but we saw him twice a year. I would think your coach knows how defend against him.:)

228 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:32:17pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Just wait for November 7th, Steve. The Eagles are going to get clobbered by the Bears on Monday Night Football. Michael Vick has never done well against Chicago and ace linebackers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs are the reasons why. So if you long to see Michael Vick take some hard hits, tune to ESPN on the 7th and watch him get smashed.

The Bears are a one man team playing in a one team division. When's the last time the Bears came up big? I think the Cowboys have won more playoff games in the last ten years than the Bears.

229 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:32:27pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Just wait for November 7th, Steve. The Eagles are going to get clobbered by the Bears on Monday Night Football. Michael Vick has never done well against Chicago and ace linebackers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs are the reasons why. So if you long to see Michael Vick take some hard hits, tune to ESPN on the 7th and watch him get smashed.

I long to hard hit him myself...the fact that Vick is even in the league is a disgrace

230 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:33:00pm

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

Who is McNabb?

some tomato can riding the pines somewhere

231 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:33:26pm

re: #230 albusteve

some tomato can riding the pines somewhere

Ha ha ha ha ha!

232 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:34:31pm

Why doesn't Allentown get an NFL team?

Because then Philly would want one too.

233 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:34:47pm

re: #224 albusteve

another self righteous Eagles fan...Dallas owns you...we beet the shit out of Jaworski and Wilbert before you were born...the Eagles were never the same...the Cowboys fucked you up so bad you drafted a fat ass ham like McNabb to beat them

Hi Steve! Nice to see you back from your road trip...Just got back from the Lodge watching the OU game.. It's a slaughter 51-17 in the 4th...
What about them Colts? Folded like lawn chairs...

234 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:35:24pm

re: #224 albusteve

another self righteous Eagles fan...Dallas owns you...we beet the shit out of Jaworski and Wilbert before you were born...the Eagles were never the same...the Cowboys fucked you up so bad you drafted a fat ass ham like McNabb to beat them

If I remember, Jaworski and Wilbert ran over the Cowboys on the way to the Super Bowl in 1980. I think it took the Cowboys a fifteen years and a gift from the Vikings to recover (and two Super Bowls against the Bills). And if I remember that fat ass him beat the Cowboys like a drum.

235 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:35:29pm

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

Vick had a couple good games against the Bucs (that's about it) but we saw him twice a year. I would think your coach knows how defend against him.:)

he's hard to defend because he's so nimble...you have to box him in and most teams don't have the players that can....Dallas does....seal up the outside and clog the middle

236 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:35:41pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

@#$%^ It is still snowing outside. :(

The snow missed us, but we're getting high winds as a substitute.

I think I would have rather gotten the snow. Too many tall trees around my house.

237 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:36:54pm

Check out freetoken's Page from January 2009 -- look at the rating, then check to see who rated it.

Ol' Dim Jim himself, haunting the LGF links.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

238 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:37:43pm

re: #235 albusteve

he's hard to defend because he's so nimble...you have to box him in and most teams don't have the players that can...Dallas does...seal up the outside and clog the middle

Lovie Smith is a former Bucs assistant. He knows what to do. (For when they play the Bears)

239 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:37:47pm

re: #233 HoosierHoops

Hi Steve! Nice to see you back from your road trip...Just got back from the Lodge watching the OU game.. It's a slaughter 51-17 in the 4th...
What about them Colts? Folded like lawn chairs...

the NFL is full of surprises....like how unprepared the Colts are without Manning...that Cadillac ran out of gas

240 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:38:54pm

Good news, screwing while skydiving is within regulations!

FAA: skydiving sex stunt didn't violate rules

TAFT, Calif.—The Federal Aviation Administration says a videotaped skydiving sex stunt did not result in a violation of any regulations and the pilot wasn't distracted during the incident over Kern County.

FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said Thursday that available video evidence confirms the pilot's account that he was not distracted and the shoot didn't interfere with his duties.

The video shows part-time skydiving instructor and porn star Alex Torres having sex with the receptionist from Skydive Taft in a plane before jumping out in tandem and continuing the act midair.

241 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:40:13pm

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

Who is McNabb?

Some guy whose ass Israel Idonije kicked two weeks ago.

242 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:40:24pm

re: #234 SteveMcG

If I remember, Jaworski and Wilbert ran over the Cowboys on the way to the Super Bowl in 1980. I think it took the Cowboys a fifteen years and a gift from the Vikings to recover (and two Super Bowls against the Bills). And if I remember that fat ass him beat the Cowboys like a drum.

I mentioned those guys because I liked them...I think those were Phillies best teams back then...but it's like adults slapping around children for the most part...admit it

243 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:41:04pm

re: #240 NJDhockeyfan

The FAA doesn't screw around with that stuff. (No pun intended) They really take that stuff seriously. I've heard of pilots having their licenses yanked for less.

244 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:42:28pm

re: #242 albusteve

I mentioned those guys because I liked them...I think those were Phillies best teams back then...but it's like adults slapping around children for the most part...admit it

The Eagles' best teams were from the Buddy Ryan era, but unfortunately ol' Buddy was in over his head.

245 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:44:00pm

re: #235 albusteve

he's hard to defend because he's so nimble...you have to box him in and most teams don't have the players that can...Dallas does...seal up the outside and clog the middle

The Bears have tended to let him start his run, with Lovie Smith knowing that his linebackers will see the run coming and move to stop it. So far, it has worked very well. Michael Vick has not proved effective against the Bears.

The Eagles secondary, if healthy, does pose a threat though. Mike Martz will need to use both his running backs early and often to allow the establishment of a passing game. And even then, Jay Cutler will throw at least one interception.

246 BishopX  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:44:39pm

re: #237 Charles

You know, it might be handy to close off the ding button on pages after a month or so...

247 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:44:59pm

From the White House: What We Have to Say About Legalizing Marijuana

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

248 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:45:54pm

re: #244 SteveMcG

The Eagles' best teams were from the Buddy Ryan era, but unfortunately ol' Buddy was in over his head.

Putting a bounty on Troy Aikman's head was going a little bit too far.

249 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:46:27pm

re: #244 SteveMcG

The Eagles' best teams were from the Buddy Ryan era, but unfortunately ol' Buddy was in over his head.

the Eagles need to get rid of all their fans...start over...maybe do everyone a favor and Albuquerque

250 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:46:34pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout
Link does not work.

251 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:47:57pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

From the White House: What We Have to Say About Legalizing Marijuana

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "[Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...] on this server.

Reference #18.4225eb3f.1319928457.538f111

252 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:48:27pm

re: #250 PhillyPretzel

Link does not work.

It needed to be https, not http - try this version: [Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...]

EDIT: That's weird, LGF converted the https link to http. You'll have to edit the URL manually

253 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:48:56pm

re: #248 NJDhockeyfan

Putting a bounty on Troy Aikman's head was going a little bit too far.

The bounty was on the kickker, so it doesn't count. They kicked the shit out of Aikman because it was fun.

254 BishopX  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:49:02pm

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "[Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...] on this server.

Reference #18.4225eb3f.1319928457.538f111

In other words, "Shut up! We don't want to talk about it!"

Seems like they haven;t changed their position a whit/

255 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:49:06pm

re: #252 publicityStunted

It needed to be https, not http - try this version: [Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...]

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "[Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...] on this server.

Reference #18.4225eb3f.1319928535.53a4ce3

256 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:50:00pm

re: #255 NJDhockeyfan

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "[Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...] on this server.

Reference #18.4225eb3f.1319928535.53a4ce3

I smell cover-up!

257 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:50:19pm

re: #255 NJDhockeyfan

See my edit

258 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:50:30pm

re: #250 PhillyPretzel

Link does not work.

sorry about that. try via google search
[Link: www.google.com...]

259 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:50:35pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

The Bears have tended to let him start his run, with Lovie Smith knowing that his linebackers will see the run coming and move to stop it. So far, it has worked very well. Michael Vick has not proved effective against the Bears.

The Eagles secondary, if healthy, does pose a threat though. Mike Martz will need to use both his running backs early and often to allow the establishment of a passing game. And even then, Jay Cutler will throw at least one interception.

Vick thrives on making pizza pie out of horse shit...take away the big play and the Eagles are below average

260 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:50:52pm

re: #256 SteveMcG

I smell cover-up!

I expect the Secret Service to knock on my door any minute.

261 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:51:14pm

re: #252 publicityStunted

It needed to be https, not http - try this version: [Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...]

EDIT: That's weird, LGF converted the https link to http. You'll have to edit the URL manually

Ah,thanks. I couldn't figure it out.

262 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:51:33pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

From the White House: What We Have to Say About Legalizing Marijuana

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Keep Reefer Illegal, Untaxed, And Out Of Corporate Hands

263 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:51:56pm

re: #253 SteveMcG

The bounty was on the kickker, so it doesn't count. They kicked the shit out of Aikman because it was fun.

Aikman won three SB's....imagine how much fun that was...well, you probably can't

264 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:52:22pm

And there are some pumpkins you don't bring home to mother.

265 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:52:53pm

re: #257 publicityStunted

See my edit

Did that too. It works if you remove the 's' from [Link: wwws.whitehouse.gov...]

266 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:53:04pm

re: #263 albusteve

Aikman won three SB's...imagine how much fun that was...well, you probably can't

Like I said before, they were gifts from the Vikings, the league and the Bills. Even Switzer couldn't blow one.

267 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:53:53pm

re: #263 albusteve

Aikman won three SB's...imagine how much fun that was...well, you probably can't

How many Philadelphia Eagles does it take to win a Super Bowl?

Nobody knows and we may never find out.

268 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:55:41pm

re: #266 SteveMcG

Like I said before, they were gifts from the Vikings, the peague and the Bills. Even Switzer couldn't blow one.

dream on...that shit always come from sore losers...
the Eagles have no clue, nor do their hateful fans...what do they know about earning championships?

269 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:56:11pm

re: #254 BishopX

In other words, "Shut up! We don't want to talk about it!"

Seems like they haven;t changed their position a whit/

January 21, 2013 - President Obama will say, "Let's just legalize this shit and get it over with." The Democratic super-majorities in both houses will balk temporarily, out of fear for the handful of remaining Republicans, then realize Americans have a short memory and get it pushed through in the first 90 days...by the 2014 elections it will be accepted nationwide as a legal, taxable substance, and there will be pot farms all across the heartland...because the farm bill will pay farmers to grow, but not sell, their herb.

270 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:57:22pm

Ford Introduces the 1965 Mustang

A factory-fresh, straight-as-an-arrow Mustang body for $15K.

You have to build the rest of it yourself.

271 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:58:20pm

Philadelphia fans root for their teams.* They don't cherry pick and find some team from out of state to root for. They don't bail on their teams.

*Well, except maybe the Sixers

272 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:58:24pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

How many Philadelphia Eagles does it take to win a Super Bowl?

Nobody knows and we may never find out.

I predict the Lions will win a SB before the Eagles do...they hate themselves even more than they hate the Cowboys...you're supposed to respect your betters, not hate them for it

273 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:58:37pm

re: #266 SteveMcG

Like I said before, they were gifts from the Vikings, the league and the Bills. Even Switzer couldn't blow one.

That team was too good to lose that year. The Eagles would know that. Wait, no they don't.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:59:29pm

re: #272 albusteve

I predict the Lions will win a SB before the Eagles do...they hate themselves even more than they hate the Cowboys...you're supposed to respect your betters, not hate them for it

With the way Stafford is playing, that may happen.

275 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:59:33pm

re: #262 engineer dog

What bullshit:

To date, however, neither the FDA nor the Institute of Medicine have found smoked marijuana to meet the modern standard for safe or effective medicine for any condition.

So just let people cook up some pot butter instead. Delivery mechanism is not a valid reason for denying the drug. And the addictiveness is below tons of already-legal things.

Stupid bullshit.

And I'd love to know what the hell people on marijuana are going to the ER for, since it can't do shit to you. Is it just paranoia?

276 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:59:47pm

re: #271 SteveMcG

Philadelphia fans root for their teams.* They don't cherry pick and find some team from out of state to root for. They don't bail on their teams.

*Well, except maybe the Sixers

hahaha!...the fans hate the team more than they hate the Cowboys!

277 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:59:59pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

That team was too good to lose that year. The Eagles would know that. Wait, no they don't.

I give the Eagles a pass because they had Rich Kotite. Anybody could understand that, except for Leon Hess.

278 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:00:22pm

Man, I can't wait for baseball season.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:00:33pm

re: #272 albusteve

I predict the Lions will win a SB before the Eagles do...they hate themselves even more than they hate the Cowboys...you're supposed to respect your betters, not hate them for it

A friend of mine in Philadelphia was shopping at a mall. He left his Eagles jacket in the back seat and locked his doors. When he got back to his car he found the back windshield was smashed in and four more Eagles jackets were inside.

280 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:01:08pm

re: #276 albusteve

hahaha!...the fans hate the team more than they hate the Cowboys!

Actually, I think they forgot about the Sixers. The team just got sold and nobody even shrugged.

281 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:01:16pm

re: #275 Obdicut

And I'd love to know what the hell people on marijuana are going to the ER for, since it can't do shit to you. Is it just paranoia?

Typically it's stoned people doing dumb things and getting hurt.

282 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:02:36pm

re: #281 Renaissance_Man

Typically it's stoned people doing dumb things and getting hurt.

Which, in the eyes of the "law", is OMG SO MUCH WORSE than the exact same thing from drunks 9_9

283 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:02:52pm

re: #281 Renaissance_Man

Typically it's stoned people doing dumb things and getting hurt.

We should make being a teenager illegal, then. And playing sports.

Sheesh.

284 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:02:52pm

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

A friend of mine in Philadelphia was shopping at a mall. He left his Eagles jacket in the back seat and locked his doors. When he got back to his car he found the back windshield was smashed in and four more Eagles jackets were inside.

ha!...good one...
Eagles fans are a bizarre, sub human tribe of degenerate cavepeople....they should all be locked up in a zoo

285 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:03:03pm

Barbie Dahmer uses Dawn...If you ask me, Ken had it coming.

286 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:04:52pm

re: #285 darthstar

That ain't funny.

287 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:05:26pm

"Have you heard about this bird flu that’s sweeping across Asia? This is really bad. Apparently, there’s an even deadlier strain here in the United States that causes seemingly healthy birds to suddenly start choking. But enough about the Philadelphia Eagles."

~ Jay Leno

288 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:05:57pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

That ain't funny.

Yes it is. You don't think she can keep up that positive attitude and perky personality without snapping every now and then...and Ken IS feeding the dog...good Ken.

289 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:06:27pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

That ain't funny.

Yeah, it is.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:07:06pm

re: #278 darthstar

Man, I can't wait for baseball season.

Hockey and football season will take us through to spring training :)

291 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:07:15pm

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Holy crap...you still watch Jay Leno? You're the sole reason they keep him on TV.

292 SteveMcG  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:07:24pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

That ain't funny.

Dark Falcon doesn't get dark humor.

293 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:08:20pm

re: #291 darthstar

Holy crap...you still watch Jay Leno? You're the sole reason they keep him on TV.

and you still watch baseball?...Leno is 10 times more entertaining

294 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:08:28pm

re: #292 SteveMcG

Dark Falcon doesn't get dark humor.

There but for the grace of ganja go I (that's the second time I used that line today...it may become a running tag line).

295 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:09:48pm

re: #282 publicityStunted

re: #283 Obdicut

Yeah, the bizarre attitude of the US towards both alcohol and marijuana has always been puzzling. I've always assumed it was just a lovable quirk of Americana, like the erotic love of firearms and eating orange cheese.

296 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:09:58pm

re: #293 albusteve

and you still watch baseball?...Leno is 10 times more entertaining

When I'm desperate for a Clinton blowjob joke in the next ten years, I'll turn on Leno...I'm sure he won't disappoint me.

297 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:12:32pm

re: #275 Obdicut

So just let people cook up some pot butter instead. Delivery mechanism is not a valid reason for denying the drug. And the addictiveness is below tons of already-legal things.

Like a far more conventional smoking product.

(as someone allergic to cigarette smoke, I'd much prefer walking past people smoking pot - at least that way, I can get a contact high as opposed to a violent coughing fit :P )

298 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:17:11pm

re: #275 Obdicut

And I'd love to know what the hell people on marijuana are going to the ER for, since it can't do shit to you. Is it just paranoia?

ER pot patient to nurse: 'Are you mad at me?' :)

299 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:19:01pm

re: #291 darthstar

Holy crap...you still watch Jay Leno? You're the sole reason they keep him on TV.

SMACK!

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:21:17pm

"270 million victims" page coming up shortly.

301 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:23:16pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

I figured you still watched him too.

302 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:24:24pm

Foreclosure firm has Halloween party dressed as depressed homeowners

Based on their Halloween costumes from last year, it would not be surprising if employees from foreclosure firm giant Steven J. Baum dressed up this year as homeowners who’ve lost their property thanks to firms like them.

In a column from The New York Times Joe Nocera, a former employee of the Baum firm revealed that his former co-workers did indeed dress as downtrodden individuals with signs representing their depressed state.

The ex-Baum employee, who Nocera kept anonymous, told the Times reporter that she wanted to show how the firm had a “cavalier attitude” towards foreclosing people’s homes.

After getting word of Nocera’s story, the firm vehemently defended itself, saying the column was “another attempt by The New York Times to attack our firm and our work.”

The Baum firm represents virtually all the prominent mortgage lending Wall Street giants, including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo.

303 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:26:59pm

re: #296 darthstar

When I'm desperate for a Clinton blowjob joke in the next ten years, I'll turn on Leno...I'm sure he won't disappoint me.

does Bill do men?...or are you alluding to that fox, Hilary?

304 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:31:25pm

re: #300 Sergey Romanov

"270 million victims" page coming up shortly.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

305 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:32:18pm

re: #209 albusteve

five rings...right...
your football insights are revealing

The last Cowboy ring was 17 years ago. The only thing this year's team has in common with that one is Jerry Jones...and that's not enough to get it done.

306 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:32:58pm

re: #303 albusteve

does Bill do men?...or are you alluding to that fox, Hilary?

I think he's saying that Leno's material is a little outdated.

307 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:33:09pm

re: #305 palomino

The last Cowboy ring was 17 years ago. The only thing this year's team has in common with that one is Jerry Jones...and that's not enough to get it done.

when was the last Eagles ring?...remind me

308 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:33:38pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

From the White House: What We Have to Say About Legalizing Marijuana

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Thanks. I always enjoy reading bullshit like that.

309 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:34:07pm

John Hiatt
Everybody Went Low

Youtube Video
310 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:34:31pm

re: #297 publicityStunted

Like a far more conventional smoking product.

(as someone allergic to cigarette smoke, I'd much prefer walking past people smoking pot - at least that way, I can get a contact high as opposed to a violent coughing fit :P )

I once knew someone who could get a "contact high" if he was given a roach made from banana peel.

311 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:36:21pm

re: #305 palomino

The last Cowboy ring was 17 years ago. The only thing this year's team has in common with that one is Jerry Jones...and that's not enough to get it done.

If Michael Vick has a ruff day, his performance will give Eagles fans paws for concern. He still has two paws in the doghouse with his coach and is on a very short leash. Anyone who thinks the Eagles can still make the playoffs is barking up the wrong tree.

312 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:36:30pm

re: #306 makeitstop

I think he's saying that Leno's material is a little outdated.

Don't explain my jokes to Steve...you'll only confuse him.

But yes, the last time I turned on Leno (just after the Conan thing came to an ugly and contentious end), he made another Clinton-Lewinsky joke...that shit carried him through the Bush years. Jay will always be a dick joke to me now.

313 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:37:55pm

re: #310 Naso Tang

I once knew someone who could get a "contact high" if he was given a roach made from banana peel.

I knew someone like that in high school...pain in the ass to party with...actually got him very stoned a couple of times...let him go pass out in the car for four hours.

314 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:38:00pm

re: #312 darthstar

Don't explain my jokes to Steve...you'll only confuse him.

But yes, the last time I turned on Leno (just after the Conan thing came to an ugly and contentious end), he made another Clinton-Lewinsky joke...that shit carried him through the Bush years. Jay will always be a dick joke to me now.

what jokes?....you need to go back to Joke School...your relationship with Leno is the joke

315 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:38:32pm

re: #312 darthstar

Don't explain my jokes to Steve...you'll only confuse him.

But yes, the last time I turned on Leno (just after the Conan thing came to an ugly and contentious end), he made another Clinton-Lewinsky joke...that shit carried him through the Bush years. Jay will always be a dick joke to me now.

Speaking of that, a customer of mine gave me three cigars today. I think I'll smoke one tomorrow.

316 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:39:59pm

re: #314 albusteve

what jokes?...you need to go back to Joke School...your relationship with Leno is the joke

Joke School? Ooh...you...you...oh, man, I wish I hadn't missed that class on quick come backs...Joke School...well, you rode the bus to joke school and had to sit next to a girl with glasses and pig tails!

Word.

317 Achilles Tang  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:40:09pm

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of that, a customer of mine gave me three cigars today. I think I'll smoke one tomorrow.

Take them to the smoke store and find out how much they cost. Might give you some insight.

318 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:40:16pm

Blah to the blah blah.

319 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:40:36pm

Drudge headline: TREAT OR TRICK: OBAMAS PASS OUT HALLOWEEN 'FRUIT'...

And yes, the sweets included signature boxes of White House M&Ms, signaling a temporary respite from the first lady’s healthy eating campaign. Dried fruit and White House baked cookies rounded out the handouts.

320 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:41:17pm

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Foreclosure firm has Halloween party dressed as depressed homeowners

Could the "Occupy" protesters please picket these assholes? Because if they did that, for once I don't think they'd even get a whiff of pushback from the NYPD. My God, but that party went deep into asshole territory.

321 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:41:39pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

Blah to the blah blah.

You don't say.

322 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:42:23pm

re: #321 darthstar

You don't say.

*psssttt* Gators lost

323 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:42:34pm

re: #317 Naso Tang

Take them to the smoke store and find out how much they cost. Might give you some insight.

He gives me cigars every time I come over. He buys the good ones.

324 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:43:17pm

re: #307 albusteve

when was the last Eagles ring?...remind me

nice deflection, still doesn't make this year's cowboy team anything special

over half the teams in the nfl have never won a SB, and then there are teams like dallas that have...TWO decades ago

325 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:43:37pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Drudge headline: TREAT OR TRICK: OBAMAS PASS OUT HALLOWEEN 'FRUIT'...

Those seem like perfectly acceptable treat to me. But I've never gotten into the whole "hate the Obamas for everything" vibe, either.

326 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:44:08pm

Is it just me or is Obama even starting to look like Bush?
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

I think that's Cheney in the background behind Mrs. Obama and her mother

327 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:44:08pm

re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar

*psssttt* Gators lost

Aw...sorry Stanley...so sad about the Gators...BUT NOT ABOUT THE FUCKING RANGERS! BOO-YA! Suck on the bitter pill of defeat, Nolan!...anyway, I like the Gators - and I have never even been to South Carolina.
/

328 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:44:30pm

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Foreclosure firm has Halloween party dressed as depressed homeowners

Could you please Page this article, too? It's worth a look.

329 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:45:07pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Is it just me or is Obama even starting to look like Bush?
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

I think that's Cheney in the background behind Mrs. Obama and her mother

Is Cheney a chili pepper?

330 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:45:17pm

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

If Michael Vick has a ruff day, his performance will give Eagles fans paws for concern. He still has two paws in the doghouse with his coach and is on a very short leash. Anyone who thinks the Eagles can still make the playoffs is barking up the wrong tree.

ur right, the eagles suck...but cowboys ain't that much better

"America's team" my ass, what a lame slogan

331 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:45:25pm

re: #321 darthstar

You don't say.

Gators fucking lost, I won the buffet price vs. consumption race, and I'm still drinking wine. It's 443 (as you know) I'm gonna try to hang on, but wonder if the Saturday night (where all the losers celebrate Halloween) ends before nigh fall..

Blah to the blah!

332 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:45:37pm

re: #304 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Nice. Thanks for the mention.

333 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:46:35pm

re: #324 palomino

nice deflection, still doesn't make this year's cowboy team anything special

over half the teams in the nfl have never won a SB, and then there are teams like dallas that have...TWO decades ago

I didn't claim that this years Dallas was anything special...why do you make this stuff up?...so you have no regard for history?

334 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:47:40pm

re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is Cheney a chili pepper?

He's just a chill pecker.

335 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:47:47pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Drudge headline: TREAT OR TRICK: OBAMAS PASS OUT HALLOWEEN 'FRUIT'...

It's the end of the world again!

Myself. I'm going to give the children a cigarette and a beer.

336 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:48:26pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Is it just me or is Obama even starting to look like Bush?
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

I think that's Cheney in the background behind Mrs. Obama and her mother

he obviously tries to mimic Bush as POTUS, might as well look like him too

337 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:48:33pm

re: #327 darthstar

The last day of the season was epic. Game 6 was epic. Good year. Only 5 months 'til catchers and pitchers report.

338 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:48:59pm

Dude looks just like Cheney Pepper. Sucks for him.

339 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:49:06pm

re: #335 Gus 802

It's the end of the world again!

Myself. I'm going to give the children a cigarette and a beer.

I'm going to turn off the lights and huddle inside again. I'm not good with kids.

340 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:49:39pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I'm going to turn off the lights and huddle inside again. I'm not good with kids.

That's why you bought the pellet gun!!
///

341 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:49:42pm

Please tell me the kids are not changing the date of halloween to tonight. It's monday, right?

342 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:49:44pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I'm going to turn off the lights and huddle inside again. I'm not good with kids.

Children are sticky.

//

343 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:49:45pm

re: #335 Gus 802

It's the end of the world again!

Myself. I'm going to give the children a cigarette and a beer.

Aw...and doesn't your kid look cute!

344 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:49:48pm

re: #333 albusteve

I didn't claim that this years Dallas was anything special...why do you make this stuff up?...so you have no regard for history?

just pointing out that the "5 rings" doesn't mean much when the last one was 4 million years ago...bragging rights have expiration dates

345 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:50:26pm

re: #343 darthstar

Aw...and doesn't your kid look cute!

That's hilarious!

Arrest that man!

That's child abuse!

//

346 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:50:31pm

re: #334 darthstar

He's just a chill pecker.

Actually, he's a dead pecker.

347 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:50:39pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

Please tell me the kids are not changing the date of halloween to tonight. It's monday, right?

Tonight is the party night.

348 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:50:55pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

Please tell me the kids are not changing the date of halloween to tonight. It's monday, right?

The kids don't do it...their lazy parents do. I'm lighting my pumpkins again tonight, but am homing they wait until Monday to come knocking.

349 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:51:12pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

Please tell me the kids are not changing the date of halloween to tonight. It's monday, right?

Is in Baja Alabama.

350 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:51:19pm

re: #334 darthstar

He's just a chill pecker.

A "red hot" chilli pecker?

351 bubbanelson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:51:27pm

Out of curiosity, how many posters have a hybrid car?
I have two and plan on purchasing the Prius phew when available (assuming I can afford it)

352 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:51:34pm

Evening Lizardim. What's new among the lizardoid folk? Are our New England friends enjoying their heaping helping of global warming?

353 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:51:49pm

re: #344 palomino

just pointing out that the "5 rings" doesn't mean much when the last one was 4 million years ago...bragging rights have expiration dates

not in the NFL..you sound like a youngster and that's cool...so how much does zero rings count for?....your point is pointless

354 bubbanelson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:51:54pm

BTW, shavuah tov

355 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:52:34pm

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's why you bought the pellet gun!!
///

That thing could seriously take down a toddler.

356 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:52:57pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

That thing could seriously take down a toddler.

You'll shoot your eye out.

357 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:53:18pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

That thing could seriously take down a toddler.

If they can reach the door bell, fair game.:)

358 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:53:25pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

That thing could seriously take down a toddler.

OK, but eat what you kill.

359 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:54:08pm

re: #353 albusteve

not in the NFL..you sound like a youngster and that's cool...so how much does zero rings count for?...your point is pointless

yeah, i'm always so impressed by those chiefs fans when they remind me about SB IV...yes, the Chiefs won a SB 41 years ago, before most Americans were born...woo hoo

And there was a time when the Cubs dominated the NL, so what?

360 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:54:44pm

re: #351 bubbanelson

Out of curiosity, how many posters have a hybrid car?
I have two and plan on purchasing the Prius phew when available (assuming I can afford it)

My yuppie neighbor has one. He bitches that it still uses too much gasoline but he drives it wrong. He's an aggressive driver and accelerates too fast. Dude drives like a nut.

361 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:55:34pm

re: #351 bubbanelson

Out of curiosity, how many posters have a hybrid car?
I have two and plan on purchasing the Prius phew when available (assuming I can afford it)

Not I, but I saw a brand spanking new Ford F150n hybrid (or something - it was on the freeway) I was like, good for you that you have the $ to sign that $$/green contract.

362 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:56:02pm

re: #359 palomino

yeah, i'm always so impressed by those chiefs fans when they remind me about SB IV...yes, the Chiefs won a SB 41 years ago, before most Americans were born...woo hoo

And there was a time when the Cubs dominated the NL, so what?

ask yourself so what...time does not diminish greatness, if it did, Alexander would be considered a pussy by now

363 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:56:42pm

OMG THE GATORS SUCK

364 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:57:04pm

It's hitting me

365 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:57:22pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I'm going to turn off the lights and huddle inside again. I'm not good with kids.

You don't have to be. All you have to do is give 'em some candy. They couldn't care less about YOU.

366 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:57:28pm

re: #351 bubbanelson

Out of curiosity, how many posters have a hybrid car?
I have two and plan on purchasing the Prius phew when available (assuming I can afford it)

A hybrid, no. I have an aging Volkswagen Rabbit diesel that I run around in. I have nothing against hybrids, but honestly, I'm a child of American muscle and I'd prefer to find a technology that delivers power as well as efficiency. I hate driving a little scooter, I feel so vulnerable and I can't haul anything in it.

367 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:57:32pm

re: #344 palomino

just pointing out that the "5 rings" doesn't mean much when the last one was 4 million years ago...bragging rights have expiration dates

My wife just got her first ring this week...finally. Yeah, it's freakin' heavy...

368 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:57:50pm

re: #360 Killgore Trout

My yuppie neighbor has one. He bitches that it still uses too much gasoline but he drives it wrong. He's an aggressive driver and accelerates too fast. Dude drives like a nut.

I desperately want a car that gets 8mi to the gallon

369 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:58:03pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

You don't have to be. All you have to do is give 'em some candy. They couldn't care less about YOU.

Occupy Killgore's Porch.

370 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:59:15pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Occupy Killgore's Porch.

OMG Hippies!

371 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:59:27pm

re: #368 albusteve

I desperately want a car that gets 8mi to the gallon

I drove a bee truck that got 8mpg (5 highway, 3 city.)

372 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:59:27pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Occupy Killgore's Porch.

Occupy Killgore's Pantaloons

373 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 4:59:55pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Occupy Killgore's Porch.

Seriously, yes!
hahahaha!
Would love to see the kiddies Occupy Killgore's Porch.
He'd have to stay in hiding for who knows how long.
KILLGORE - Save yourself! Give the poor kids some candy!

374 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:00:02pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

You don't have to be. All you have to do is give 'em some candy. They couldn't care less about YOU.

I'm of the type that only gives snickers etc. No crap candy. But damn, it's 50 bucks to survive! I'm kinda cringing. (Although I'll be dressed up for work as a witch, so I'm going to be PERFECT at answering the door)

375 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:00:10pm

re: #368 albusteve

I desperately want a car that gets 8mi to the gallon

Why so much?

376 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:00:42pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

OMG Hippies!

Quick, call Cartman! He knows how to deal with hippie infestations!

377 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:00:47pm

re: #373 reine.de.tout

Seriously, yes!
hahahaha!
Would love to see the kiddies Occupy Killgore's Porch.
He'd have to stay in hiding for who knows how long.
KILLGORE - Save yourself! Give the poor kids some candy!

That's class warfare!

378 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:00:56pm

5pm...time to make cocktails for myself and the missus.

379 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:01:08pm

re: #374 Stanley Sea

I'm of the type that only gives snickers etc. No crap candy. But damn, it's 50 bucks to survive! I'm kinda cringing. (Although I'll be dressed up for work as a witch, so I'm going to be PERFECT at answering the door)

I dressed up one year, and scared some of the kids to death! They broke out screaming, crying - I felt awful.

380 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:01:13pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

OMG Hippies!

My patchouli wears on you. In a good way.

381 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:01:34pm

re: #362 albusteve

ask yourself so what...time does not diminish greatness, if it did, Alexander would be considered a pussy by now

of course, time just diminishes how much people care. this is sports, not world conquest.

those 1907 Cubs were one of the great teams of all time...but since only 4 people on the planet still care about them, so what?

382 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:01:38pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Could the "Occupy" protesters please picket these assholes? Because if they did that, for once I don't think they'd even get a whiff of pushback from the NYPD. My God, but that party went deep into asshole territory.

They'e in Buffalo, which is kind of a hike from Zuccotti Park.

Is there an Occupy Buffalo? If so, they should camp out in the lobby of those punks. I don't think even Killgore would have a problem with that.

383 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:01:57pm

re: #375 Gus 802

Why so much?

why not?...I don't really give a damn about gas prices...it's pretty much an afterthought in my lifestyle

384 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:02:22pm

re: #380 Stanley Sea

My patchouli wears on you. In a good way.

My Bass Weejuns ran over your Birckenstocks.

385 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:02:41pm

re: #374 Stanley Sea

I'm of the type that only gives snickers etc. No crap candy. But damn, it's 50 bucks to survive! I'm kinda cringing. (Although I'll be dressed up for work as a witch, so I'm going to be PERFECT at answering the door)

Several blogs have discussed the ultimate HW candy. Whole Tootsie Rolls got it for retro cool, single Reese's PB Cup packs got it for "cool but not ostentatious".

386 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:02:58pm

re: #367 darthstar

My wife just got her first ring this week...finally. Yeah, it's freakin' heavy...

Nice. That SF team deserved it...I enjoyed watching them beat the Rangers almost as much as the Cards kicking their butts.

387 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:03:15pm

re: #379 reine.de.tout

I dressed up one year, and scared some of the kids to death! They broke out screaming, crying - I felt awful.

lol, super cute waitress @ gator club bar today was a zombie. We knew she was cute, but...

388 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:03:29pm

re: #368 albusteve

I desperately want a car that gets 8mi to the gallon

Bugatti Veyron, only 1.2 mil

389 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:05:04pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

Several blogs have discussed the ultimate HW candy. Whole Tootsie Rolls got it for retro cool, single Reese's PB Cup packs got it for "cool but not ostentatious".

Interesting. I love Reeses.

Hello! It's all about the leftovers. Although, that rarely happens.

390 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:05:09pm

re: #383 albusteve

why not?...I don't really give a damn about gas prices...it's pretty much an afterthought in my lifestyle

Get a Honda Civic and drill a tiny hole in the gas tank.

//

391 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:05:32pm

re: #381 palomino

of course, time just diminishes how much people care. this is sports, not world conquest.

those 1907 Cubs were one of the great teams of all time...but since only 4 people on the planet still care about them, so what?

you don't speak for all people, you speak for yourself...sports in America has a huge regard for tradition...after your years of needing instant gratification, you will catch on, if you are a fan, that is

392 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:06:11pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Could you please Page this article, too? It's worth a look.

Done. I included the picture too!

393 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:06:43pm

re: #390 Gus 802

Get a Honda Civic and drill a tiny hole in the gas tank.

//

Cool Story Bro time:

I was driving home from work last week, and I saw the most ridiculous thing. Flying by me in the left hand lane was a Honda Civic. It was about the same age as my Rabbit, probably 25+ years old, and rusty as all get out. Completely beat up little junker, except for one part... the HUGEASS SPOILER on the back. I seriously just about fell out of my car laughing.

394 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:07:36pm

re: #391 albusteve

you don't speak for all people, you speak for yourself...sports in America has a huge regard for tradition...after your years of needing instant gratification, you will catch on, if you are a fan, that is

it's just sports, don't take it so seriously...it's a game played by overgrown kids for our amusement...supposed to be fun, lighten up about it.

395 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:07:52pm

re: #393 thedopefishlives

Cool Story Bro time:

I was driving home from work last week, and I saw the most ridiculous thing. Flying by me in the left hand lane was a Honda Civic. It was about the same age as my Rabbit, probably 25+ years old, and rusty as all get out. Completely beat up little junker, except for one part... the HUGEASS SPOILER on the back. I seriously just about fell out of my car laughing.

Ah. Sounds like someone from the former Yugoslavia.

//

396 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:08:08pm

re: #388 palomino

Bugatti Veyron, only 1.2 mil

not interested...this is my million dollar dream
[Link: image.motortrend.com...]

397 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:09:36pm

re: #368 albusteve

I desperately want a car that gets 8mi to the gallon

My first car, a 1970 Buick Rivera got about 8 mpg. It was a wonderful tank of a car.

398 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:09:40pm

re: #394 palomino

it's just sports, don't take it so seriously...it's a game played by overgrown kids for our amusement...supposed to be fun, lighten up about it.

tradition is too heavy for you?....give credit where it's due

399 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:10:34pm

re: #394 palomino

it's just sports, don't take it so seriously...it's a game played by overgrown kids for our amusement...supposed to be fun, lighten up about it.

As I am contemplating suicide by Gator.

No, not really, but fuck.

400 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:10:36pm

re: #396 albusteve

not interested...this is my million dollar dream
[Link: image.motortrend.com...]

You can tell a '69 by the rear quarter panels. (I know you know but others might not)

401 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:10:59pm

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

My first car, a 1970 Buick Rivera got about 8 mpg. It was a wonderful tank of a car.

that was a big ass bomber, for sure

402 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:12:05pm

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can tell a '69 by the rear quarter panels. (I know you know but others might not)

it's a COPO...
worth at least a million...
I want one

404 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:13:21pm

re: #396 albusteve

not interested...this is my million dollar dream
[Link: image.motortrend.com...]

Very cool. Unfortunately my first car was a Camaro at a time when they were crap--mid 80s. Had a V-8 that produced a pathetic 150 hp, and that was the most powerful option at the time. Looked cool, but broke down all the time. Soon after it was stolen, I realized I had lucked out.

405 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:14:46pm

re: #404 palomino

Very cool. Unfortunately my first car was a Camaro at a time when they were crap--mid 80s. Had a V-8 that produced a pathetic 150 hp, and that was the most powerful option at the time. Looked cool, but broke down all the time. Soon after it was stolen, I realized I had lucked out.

My first was a '68 Camaro, 327 4bbl (quadrajet) 2 speed powerglide tranny. 210HP.

406 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:15:05pm

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

My first car, a 1970 Buick Rivera got about 8 mpg. It was a wonderful tank of a car.

I was a farm boy. I had a '91 Chevy half-ton with the 350 V8 option. If I was good to her, I could pull 20 mpg.

407 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:16:31pm

re: #404 palomino

Very cool. Unfortunately my first car was a Camaro at a time when they were crap--mid 80s. Had a V-8 that produced a pathetic 150 hp, and that was the most powerful option at the time. Looked cool, but broke down all the time. Soon after it was stolen, I realized I had lucked out.

the 80's was the black hole for American cars...but we have rebounded in spectacular fashion...the average US built car is one of the best in the world again...and I'm not talking just hot rods

408 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:17:31pm

re: #407 albusteve

I rode in a new Ford Flex, it was so nice *_*

409 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:17:34pm

Heheheh.

South Park Video
410 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:18:18pm

re: #405 Cannadian Club Akbar

My first was a '68 Camaro, 327 4bbl (quadrajet) 2 speed powerglide tranny. 210HP.

I'd take that very car in a heartbeat now...tons of potential

411 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:18:48pm

re: #398 albusteve

tradition is too heavy for you?...give credit where it's due

i love tradition...thanksgiving (w/ football), apple pie, xmas (w/ football), new years (w/ football). But I grew up in Houston listening to Cowboy fans gloat year after year, while our team sucked and then eventually relocated. So I have an especial hatred for "America's team."

I'd guess I watch more sports than even the average middle aged American male (football, baseball, hoops, tennis, soccer, even golf for very short stretches at a time). But I try to keep it in perspective...these are just entertainers who do great things, rarely are they heroes, role models or anything of real consequence.

412 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:18:54pm

re: #410 albusteve

I'd take that very car in a heartbeat now...tons of potential

It was also bored .30.

413 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:19:20pm

re: #408 WindUpBird

I rode in a new Ford Flex, it was so nice *_*

yup

414 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:19:49pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

As I am contemplating suicide by Gator.

No, not really, but fuck.

You a Gator fan? Haven't you guys won enough in the last few years? At least you didn't get the death penalty like my corrupt Trojans.

415 bubbanelson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:20:37pm

re: #407 albusteve

i wouldn't go that far. Consumer reports still rates the Japanese the best

416 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:22:26pm

re: #414 palomino

You a Gator fan? Haven't you guys won enough in the last few years? At least you didn't get the death penalty like my corrupt Trojans.

Yeah yeah, but we suck this year, and that;s all that matters.

blah

I swear LSU and Alabama are going to take the NCAA shut down.

blah

417 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:22:57pm

re: #412 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was also bored .30.

those old blocks could take it....within reason....
the big problem with the 302/400plus hp Z28 Camaros was the lifespan....when you hammered them they flew apart, but man were they fast

418 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:23:54pm

re: #415 bubbanelson

i wouldn't go that far. Consumer reports still rates the Japanese the best

yeah, made in America

419 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:24:05pm

re: #407 albusteve

the 80's was the black hole for American cars...but we have rebounded in spectacular fashion...the average US built car is one of the best in the world again...and I'm not talking just hot rods

That's the irony. Now American cars are great again, but a lot of Americans gave up on domestics 10-20 years ago. If only they could come up with names better than Lacrosse and Lucerne.

420 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:24:18pm

re: #417 albusteve

those old blocks could take it...within reason...
the big problem with the 302/400plus hp Z28 Camaros was the lifespan...when you hammered them they flew apart, but man were they fast

My dream car is a '69 Z, white with orange stripes. 302, 2.02 heads...

421 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:26:31pm

re: #416 Stanley Sea

Yeah yeah, but we suck this year, and that;s all that matters.

blah

I swear LSU and Alabama are going to take the NCAA shut down.

blah

I'd love to see the winner of the LSU-Bama game lose in the SEC title game. Maybe that way we could have a BCS champ game without an SEC team. No offense to your Gators.

422 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:26:40pm

re: #420 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dream car is a '69 Z, white with orange stripes. 302, 2.02 heads...

dream on...everybody wants that car including me...it's turned into a rich mans thing....vintage muscle cars are off the charts right now with no end in sight

423 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:27:17pm

re: #420 Cannadian Club Akbar

My stepfather had a 280Z with a 350 Chevy engine. He called it a 350Z.

Was that cool? I was a kid who didn't care about my parent's hobbies.

424 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:27:45pm

re: #416 Stanley Sea

Bad thing is LSU/Bama won't play in the National Championship game. But, whoever wins the SEC Championship game will probably win the National Title.

425 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:27:55pm

re: #422 albusteve

dream on...everybody wants that car including me...it's turned into a rich mans thing...vintage muscle cars are off the charts right now with no end in sight

I blame Jay Leno.

426 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:28:25pm

re: #420 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dream car is a '69 Z, white with orange stripes. 302, 2.02 heads...

Yeah, I admit, I'm partial to the 'Vette. A '68 Corvette L88 is what I dream about at night.

427 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:28:52pm

re: #421 palomino

I'd love to see the winner of the LSU-Bama game lose in the SEC title game. Maybe that way we could have a BCS champ game without an SEC team. No offense to your Gators.

Ha ha, good luck. SEC rules.

429 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:30:09pm

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bad thing is LSU/Bama won't play in the National Championship game. But, whoever wins the SEC Championship game will probably win the National Title.

SOUTH CAROLINA! (Spurrier!)

430 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:30:25pm

re: #368 albusteve

I desperately want a car that gets 8mi to the gallon

Get you a 6000 SUX....gets 8.2 mpg!!!

Youtube Video
431 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:30:52pm

re: #427 Stanley Sea

Ha ha, good luck. SEC rules.

It's what the Lord gave us when he took the wealth, education and good sense.

432 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:31:10pm

re: #425 freetoken

I blame Jay Leno.

so would Marx

433 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:32:05pm

re: #431 Decatur Deb

It's what the Lord gave us when he took the wealth, education and good sense.

And no one cares.

434 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:32:28pm

re: #425 freetoken

I blame Jay Leno.

Fuck Jay Leno...

435 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:32:57pm

re: #426 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I admit, I'm partial to the 'Vette. A '68 Corvette L88 is what I dream about at night.

a Vette head eh?...that's cool...
maybe the greatest iconic car ever built

436 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:33:12pm

re: #431 Decatur Deb

It's what the Lord gave us when he took the wealth, education and good sense.

That's fucking hilarious. Growing up in TX, the only thing I hear people talk about more than the Cowboys was their beloved Longhorns.

437 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:33:13pm

re: #393 thedopefishlives

Cool Story Bro time:

I was driving home from work last week, and I saw the most ridiculous thing. Flying by me in the left hand lane was a Honda Civic. It was about the same age as my Rabbit, probably 25+ years old, and rusty as all get out. Completely beat up little junker, except for one part... the HUGEASS SPOILER on the back. I seriously just about fell out of my car laughing.

RICE RICE BABY

438 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:33:30pm

re: #434 darthstar

Fuck Jay Leno...

your envy is showing

439 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:34:18pm

re: #438 albusteve

your envy is showing

Fuck Jay Leno with Steve's dick.

440 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:34:19pm

re: #435 albusteve

a Vette head eh?...that's cool...
maybe the greatest iconic car ever built

Never been a drag racer, myself. Always been about the top end. The 'Vette is one of the more dangerous road racers out there, even among the million-dollar supercars.

441 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:34:45pm

re: #427 Stanley Sea

Ha ha, good luck. SEC rules.

I know, boo hoo for me.

But isn't Stanford-Okie State (if both win out) a possibility as the BCS Title Game, if both LSU and Bama have one loss?

442 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:35:34pm

re: #436 palomino

That's fucking hilarious. Growing up in TX, the only thing I hear people talk about more than the Cowboys was their beloved Longhorns.

the other day I was crossing the panhandle...a billboard says 'stop at the Jesus Loves You Truckstop....Home Of The Heavenly Hamburger!'....no shit, I love Texas

443 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:36:20pm

re: #439 darthstar

Fuck Jay Leno with Steve's dick.

good grief...see a professional

444 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:36:37pm

re: #442 albusteve

the other day I was crossing the panhandle...a billboard says 'stop at the Jesus Loves You Truckstop...Home Of The Heavenly Hamburger!'...no shit, I love Texas

They have good hookers and meth there?

445 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:37:50pm

re: #441 palomino

I know, boo hoo for me.

But isn't Stanford-Okie State (if both win out) a possibility as the BCS Title Game, if both LSU and Bama have one loss?

BCS poll says Okie State/Boise 3 and 4 followed by Clemson and Stanford.

446 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:38:11pm

re: #439 darthstar

Fuck Jay Leno with Steve's dick.

Don't you care about the children?

447 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:38:23pm

re: #440 thedopefishlives

Never been a drag racer, myself. Always been about the top end. The 'Vette is one of the more dangerous road racers out there, even among the million-dollar supercars.

especially the last decade or so...Chevy takes the Corvette very seriously...they were never meant to drag race...a hell of a car to this day

448 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:38:37pm

re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar

3 and 4, penciled.

449 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:39:31pm

re: #444 darthstar

They have good hookers and meth there?

Our Colbert rally bus stopped at a large truck stop in NC about 3AM. Plenty of hookers, no meth in sight, and an 18-wheeler operating as a mission church.

450 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:39:50pm

re: #446 Gus 802

Don't you care about the children?

The children? Oh, crap...are they still in the oven?

451 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:40:12pm

Occupy Denver being taken down. If these mayors had a fucking clue they would just let it go.. The poor bushes! The park! (puleeze)

But no, they are energizing the protest, and the worst parts of the protest by being police state-y.

No foresight at all. NONE.

Freaking idiots.

452 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:40:51pm

re: #447 albusteve

especially the last decade or so...Chevy takes the Corvette very seriously...they were never meant to drag race...a hell of a car to this day

A Camaro is for dragging. A Corvette is for racing.

453 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:41:25pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Occupy Denver being taken down. If these mayors had a fucking clue they would just let it go.. The poor bushes! The park! (puleeze)

But no, they are energizing the protest, and the worst parts of the protest by being police state-y.

No foresight at all. NONE.

Freaking idiots.

After Oakland, it's no longer a matter of foresight...just wait a few weeks for winter.

454 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:42:26pm

re: #449 Decatur Deb

Our Colbert rally bus stopped at a large truck stop in NC about 3AM. Plenty of hookers, no meth in sight, and an 18-wheeler operating as a mission church.

lol.

If you knew the password, you'd have gotten the meth.

455 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:42:58pm

re: #442 albusteve

the other day I was crossing the panhandle...a billboard says 'stop at the Jesus Loves You Truckstop...Home Of The Heavenly Hamburger!'...no shit, I love Texas

I've had similar experiences. My wife and I drive from L.A. to Houston once or twice a year. After driving along I-10 through pagan CA, AZ and NM, all of a sudden in West TX, you start seeing a lot of signs like "Got Jesus?"

A lot of people hate that drive, I think it's beautiful (great sunsets and stark desert minimalist terrain surrounded by mountains). Plus the speed limit is 80 in West TX with perfect smooth hiways and very forgiving state police. My wife was clocked at 97 in an 80 zone and the cop gave her a warning only.

456 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:43:00pm

re: #452 thedopefishlives

A Camaro is for dragging. A Corvette is for racing.

who's faster is all that counts...I like all of it

457 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:43:04pm

re: #454 Stanley Sea

lol.

If you knew the password, you'd have gotten the meth.

If I knew the Lord, I'd have been saved.

458 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:43:47pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Occupy Denver being taken down. If these mayors had a fucking clue they would just let it go.. The poor bushes! The park! (puleeze)

But no, they are energizing the protest, and the worst parts of the protest by being police state-y.

No foresight at all. NONE.

Freaking idiots.

But then shouldn't OWS supporters rejoice? ;)

459 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:44:00pm

re: #453 darthstar

After Oakland, it's no longer a matter of foresight...just wait a few weeks for winter.

Wimpy Fuckers.

460 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:44:33pm

re: #456 albusteve

who's faster is all that counts...I like all of it

Me too. I was born with a wrench in my hand. I could lose hours under the hood of a good car.

461 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:44:44pm

Drive-by comment for the guys:

His & Her Diary From the Same Day ;)

462 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:44:45pm

re: #454 Stanley Sea

lol.

If you knew the password, you'd have gotten the meth.

i was told there would be no meth

463 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:44:59pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Occupy Denver being taken down. If these mayors had a fucking clue they would just let it go.. The poor bushes! The park! (puleeze)

But no, they are energizing the protest, and the worst parts of the protest by being police state-y.

No foresight at all. NONE.

Freaking idiots.

That's our new neoliberal mayor Hancock at work. He and our new neoliberal Hickenlooper both are against initiative 300 which requires sick days be provided by employers within the City and County of Denver. This is Hancock's BS: Denver Mayor Speaks Out Against Initiative 300 In Ads. Denver Democrats are in bed with the Republicans. Republicans don't win in Denver but they're not very progressive or liberal IMO.

464 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:45:21pm

re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar

BCS poll says Okie State/Boise 3 and 4 followed by Clemson and Stanford.

Any combination of those non-SEC teams would be great for a BCS title game. Especially since none of those teams have won a national championship in forever. The SEC is becoming like the NY Yankees...do we have to see them dominate EVERY year?

465 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:45:26pm

re: #457 Decatur Deb

If I knew the Lord, I'd have been saved.

Yea, but you have an inside track with old friends. (LIFE AIN'T FAIR!!!)
/

466 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:45:34pm

re: #461 CuriousLurker

Hey, CL. Take a look at my new page ;)

467 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:46:16pm

re: #466 Sergey Romanov

Hey, CL. Take a look at my new page ;)

Will do.

468 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:46:59pm

boy i tell you don't that simone simon look cute in cat people

(wolf whistle)

469 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:47:03pm

re: #464 palomino

Yes.:) (FWIW, I'm a USF fan)

470 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:47:04pm

re: #461 CuriousLurker

Drive-by comment for the guys:

His & Her Diary From the Same Day ;)

HELL TO THE YEAH. It's that simple.

471 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:47:22pm

re: #455 palomino

I've had similar experiences. My wife and I drive from L.A. to Houston once or twice a year. After driving along I-10 through pagan CA, AZ and NM, all of a sudden in West TX, you start seeing a lot of signs like "Got Jesus?"

A lot of people hate that drive, I think it's beautiful (great sunsets and stark desert minimalist terrain surrounded by mountains). Plus the speed limit is 80 in West TX with perfect smooth hiways and very forgiving state police. My wife was clocked at 97 in an 80 zone and the cop gave her a warning only.

agreed...I've driven that road many times...just a day ago I drove from Sweetwater to ABQ...I was blazing fast, a very nice drive

472 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:48:00pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Occupy Denver being taken down. If these mayors had a fucking clue they would just let it go.. The poor bushes! The park! (puleeze)

But no, they are energizing the protest, and the worst parts of the protest by being police state-y.

No foresight at all. NONE.

Freaking idiots.

And did you see this?

Photo: Police raise weapons while making an arrest during the #OccupyDenver protest.(The Denver Post).

What an asshole.

473 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:48:42pm

re: #464 palomino

Any combination of those non-SEC teams would be great for a BCS title game. Especially since none of those teams have won a national championship in forever. The SEC is becoming like the NY Yankees...do we have to see them dominate EVERY year?

Uh yeah. Until you can kick our ass.

Waiting...

474 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:48:53pm

re: #472 Gus 802

And did you see this?

Photo: Police raise weapons while making an arrest during the #OccupyDenver protest.(The Denver Post).

What an asshole.

GUNZ!

475 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:48:58pm

caaat peeeople caaat peeeople
look like cats talk like people

476 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:49:08pm

re: #471 albusteve

agreed...I've driven that road many times...just a day ago I drove from Sweetwater to ABQ...I was blazing fast, a very nice drive

And there's virtually nobody on that stretch of very smooth hiway, so you feel pretty safe hauling ass.

477 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:49:21pm

re: #463 Gus 802

Politicians have to raise money, and that means they will always be more sensitive to the wishes of people with big wallets than to the average bum on the street.

Really, given how snowy and cold it gets in Denver, why not just let the rift-raft sit there until they get too cold? Sooner or later the squatters definitely would have just given up.

478 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:51:01pm

re: #477 freetoken

Politicians have to raise money, and that means they will always be more sensitive to the wishes of people with big wallets than to the average bum on the street.

Really, given how snowy and cold it gets in Denver, why not just let the rift-raft sit there until they get too cold? Sooner or later the squatters definitely would have just given up.

Fuck them.

479 palomino  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:52:09pm

re: #473 Stanley Sea

Uh yeah. Until you can kick our ass.

Waiting...

Maybe God does love the South more.///////

OK, gotta walk the doggies before it gets dark here on the left coast. Have a good scary weekend all.

480 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:52:12pm

re: #476 palomino

And there's virtually nobody on that stretch of very smooth hiway, so you feel pretty safe hauling ass.

yeah...NM is like that too...lots of empty space to wind it up...I love the stretch coming into Van Horn and flying up through the hills to the west....speed is relative

481 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:53:26pm

I see that blogging on gardening doesn't generate many hits. I guess I should get back to writing headlines about sex-starlets and reality TV.

482 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:53:33pm

re: #478 Gus 802

Fuck them.

is there a disturbance in the Force?

483 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:54:20pm

re: #482 albusteve

is there a disturbance in the Force?

Nope. Looking for my lighter.

484 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:54:59pm

re: #481 freetoken

I see that blogging on gardening doesn't generate many hits. I guess I should get back to writing headlines about sex-starlets and reality TV.

what do hits prove?...same as a ding, nothing

485 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:55:35pm

OK, my friend is a BMW salesman. He just spent 2 hours with clients. They left the lot to discuss black vs. gray.

Really?

If I was an artist I would somehow draw this crazy situation.

486 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:55:55pm

Alrighty. I get the morning shift. See ya'll then.:)

487 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:56:29pm

re: #484 albusteve

what do hits prove?...same as a ding, nothing

It proves interest vs. zero interest.

488 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:56:42pm

re: #485 Stanley Sea

OK, my friend is a BMW salesman. He just spent 2 hours with clients. They left the lot to discuss black vs. gray.

Really?

If I was an artist I would somehow draw this crazy situation.

a black car is a curse...people are taken with it, then regret it

489 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:57:06pm

re: #484 albusteve

what do hits prove?...same as a ding, nothing

Actually, they prove quite a bit more. Charles has been able to wiggle LGF headlines into quite a few aggregators/outlets and has demonstrated strong Google-foo, and whether or not someone clicks on a headline is pretty telling of whether you've found an audience or not.

490 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:57:27pm

re: #487 Stanley Sea

It proves interest vs. zero interest.

female logic?

491 Stanghazi  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:58:44pm

re: #490 albusteve

female logic?

Of course! That's all I've got!

492 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:59:10pm

re: #489 freetoken

Actually, they prove quite a bit more. Charles has been able to wiggle LGF headlines into quite a few aggregators/outlets and has demonstrated strong Google-foo, and whether or not someone clicks on a headline is pretty telling of whether you've found an audience or not.

from the tone of your comment, it sounded like you were posting for pleasure...gardening that is

493 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 5:59:51pm

re: #491 Stanley Sea

Of course! That's all I've got!

works for me...carry on

494 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:00:32pm

re: #490 albusteve

female logic?

Is there such a thing?

///*ducks and runs*

495 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:01:28pm

re: #490 albusteve

female logic?

Here.

//

496 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:01:31pm

re: #492 albusteve

from the tone of your comment, it sounded like you were posting for pleasure...gardening that is

Well, I was.

But let's face the cold, hard, facts (unlike some squatters in those public squares): it takes money to operate LGF, and that money comes from people visiting the site (as well as donations.) It's just a personal feeling, but I think if I can't generate at least a thousand hits then I've failed.

497 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:01:36pm

some Hiatt to cool the jets...

Youtube Video
498 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:03:07pm

re: #489 freetoken

Actually, they prove quite a bit more. Charles has been able to wiggle LGF headlines into quite a few aggregators/outlets and has demonstrated strong Google-foo, and whether or not someone clicks on a headline is pretty telling of whether you've found an audience or not.

It's the weekend however, so that may explain the lower views.

Speaking for myself, this has been my most-viewed page so far.

499 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:04:07pm

re: #496 freetoken

Well, I was.

But let's face the cold, hard, facts (unlike some squatters in those public squares): it takes money to operate LGF, and that money comes from people visiting the site (as well as donations.) It's just a personal feeling, but I think if I can't generate at least a thousand hits then I've failed.

break the bread, drink the wine and come what may

500 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:08:37pm

re: #498 publicityStunted

And that title includes some hot words: "Limbaugh" and "Government Conspiracy", both of which are searched on quite commonly.

501 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:13:23pm

re: #497 albusteve

some Hiatt to cool the jets...

[Video]

And here come the warm jets.

Youtube Video
502 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:14:58pm

re: #481 freetoken

I see that blogging on gardening doesn't generate many hits. I guess I should get back to writing headlines about sex-starlets and reality TV.

Gardening is hard.

503 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:15:11pm

re: #501 darthstar

And here come the warm jets.

[Video]

that was pretty awful

504 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:17:52pm

re: #502 Killgore Trout

Gardening is hard.

People want easy solutions like drum circles and pantaloons.

505 darthstar  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:18:01pm

re: #503 albusteve

that was pretty awful

Put on some black jeans, black socks, black shoes, and a black turtleneck, fabricate some angst, and then listen to it again.

506 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:18:30pm

re: #502 Killgore Trout

Gardening is hard.

my problem up in MI was woodchucks...they trashed my gardens every year

507 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:19:02pm

re: #505 darthstar

Put on some black jeans, black socks, black shoes, and a black turtleneck, fabricate some angst, and then listen to it again.

ah, no

508 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:19:11pm

re: #500 freetoken

And that title includes some hot words: "Limbaugh" and "Government Conspiracy", both of which are searched on quite commonly.

Learn how to use Twitter which can be a powerful publicity tool. Part of that includes learning which hashtags to add to your Twitter post. For the most part you're looking for an audience that includes: #tlot #p2 #p21. That would be "top liberals on Twitter", "Progresive2" and "Progressive21" respectively. You can add #tcot but that's a waste of time unless one is interested in putting your thumb on peoples' eyes.

With regards to Twitter and LGF at large there's only a handful of people that actively retweet LGF pages or articles. Most of the time Charles will Tweet something and it barely gets retweeted by other LGF members. I'll re-Tweet quite often as does Juante and Thanos, CL and a couple of others. Being part of a team means acting like a team member if one wants to promote LGF.

509 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:20:37pm

re: #508 Gus 802

Learn how to use Twitter which can be a powerful publicity tool. Part of that includes learning which hashtags to add to your Twitter post. For the most part you're looking for an audience that includes: #tlot #p2 #p21. That would be "top liberals on Twitter", "Progresive2" and "Progressive21" respectively. You can add #tcot but that's a waste of time unless one is interested in putting your thumb on peoples' eyes.

With regards to Twitter and LGF at large there's only a handful of people that actively retweet LGF pages or articles. Most of the time Charles will Tweet something and it barely gets retweeted by other LGF members. I'll re-Tweet quite often as does Juante and Thanos, CL and a couple of others. Being part of team means acting like a team member if one wants to promote LGF.

deep...how did your carrots do?

510 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:22:13pm

re: #509 albusteve

deep...how did your carrots do?

The only vegetables I eat are the one's in my microwave dinners. Typically I'll have one of those and go out back to shoot canisters of freon with my 12 gauge while drinking Jack Daniels and listening to 38 Special. Any questions?

511 albusteve  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:22:56pm

re: #510 Gus 802

The only vegetable I eat are the one's in my microwave dinners. Typically I'll have one of those and go out back to shoot canisters of freon with my 12 gauge while drinking Jack Daniels and listening to 38 Special. Any questions?

re: #510 Gus 802

The only vegetable I eat are the one's in my microwave dinners. Typically I'll have one of those and go out back to shoot canisters of freon with my 12 gauge while drinking Jack Daniels and listening to 38 Special. Any questions?

no wonder your broke

512 Gus  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 6:25:46pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

People want easy solutions like drum circles and pantaloons sitting around a blog making comments all day.

FTFY

513 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:01:58pm

re: #512 Gus 802

FTFY

I'm eating homemade sausage with homegrown quinoa and collared greens. Side salad of shredded carrots and garlic greens. I grew it, made it and cooked it by myself. None of the money spent on my meal went to RJ reynolds, Phillip Morris, Johnson & Johnson or any of the subsidiaries at kellogs and General foods, etc. I'm quite happy with my quiet act of rebellion. Very delicious too.

514 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:06:38pm

re: #513 Killgore Trout

hippie

515 tshinkle  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:46:12pm

AGW is shorthand for 4 postulates:
1. the globe is warming
2. the globe will continue to warm
3. the warming will have disastrous consequences
4. the warming is being caused by man

Muller's paper only addressed #1, and nobody disputes the earth has warmed since 1979. (However, doesn't anybody around here find it interesting that CO2 has increased dramatically in the last 10 years while temperatures have remained constant?)

As is so typical of an argument with the Left, all this video did was set up a straw man, attribute to conservatives, and then knock it down. It was a complete yawner, and it's laughable that anyone would consider it a crushing blow.

516 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:56:35pm

re: #515 tshinkle

Muller's paper only addressed #1, and nobody disputes the earth has warmed since 1979.

Actually, plenty of idiot deniers do.

(However, doesn't anybody around here find it interesting that CO2 has increased dramatically in the last 10 years while temperatures have remained constant?)

Wrong.

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]

As is so typical of an argument with the Left, all this video did was set up a straw man, attribute to conservatives, and then knock it down.

Can you explain why Watt has numerous posts about it not actually having warmed in the past 100 years if he didn't, in fact, hold the position that it hasn't actually warmed in the past 100 years?

What is the significance of a heat island effect if you're not contending that warming is actually not happening?

517 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:58:57pm

re: #515 tshinkle

AGW is shorthand for 4 postulates:
1. the globe is warming
2. the globe will continue to warm
3. the warming will have disastrous consequences
4. the warming is being caused by man

Muller's paper only addressed #1, and nobody disputes the earth has warmed since 1979. (However, doesn't anybody around here find it interesting that CO2 has increased dramatically in the last 10 years while temperatures have remained constant?)

As is so typical of an argument with the Left, all this video did was set up a straw man, attribute to conservatives, and then knock it down. It was a complete yawner, and it's laughable that anyone would consider it a crushing blow.

Dude, read some of the thread before posting your garbage.

518 reine.de.tout  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 8:00:26pm

re: #421 palomino

I'd love to see the winner of the LSU-Bama game lose in the SEC title game. Maybe that way we could have a BCS champ game without an SEC team. No offense to your Gators.

Hey, now.
We NEED that SEC team in there, more specifically, LSU!!!!!!

519 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 10:50:33pm

re: #515 tshinkle

Pathetic.

520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 10:56:04pm

2am East Coast. What are you guys doing up?

521 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:39:58am

re: #520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

2am East Coast. What are you guys doing up?

Listening to a baby with a cold trying to fall asleep.

522 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:17:54am

re: #85 Obdicut

No, true plant-based ethanol is carbon neutral; actually, it's slightly a carbon sink. If you mean taking into account all the fuel necessary to grow and transport it, then maybe-- but it depends what fuel that transport is burning. If it's burning ethanol, then it's carbon neutral or sink.

Have you seen this?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

523 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:12:29am

re: #170 ralphieboy

And a lot of other don't like it because they see it as "un-German", and somehow detrimental to their culture. But it has started to catch on and has been steadily growing over the past decade or so.

Anything American is un-German, dontcha know?

///

524 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:16:54am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

Scary news coming out of Libya...

Al-Qaida plants its flag — literally — in Libya

Daily Caller story sourced with Vice Magazine.... hmmm....

525 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:20:47am

re: #275 Obdicut

Stupid bullshit.

Same as the "serious concerns" about potency... as though dosage was of no concern in any other drug or could not be regulated.

It really is prohibition all over again.

526 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:24:59am

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of that, a customer of mine gave me three cigars today. I think I'll smoke one tomorrow.

Relapse?

527 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:27:16am

re: #373 reine.de.tout

Seriously, yes!
hahahaha!
Would love to see the kiddies Occupy Killgore's Porch.
He'd have to stay in hiding for who knows how long.
KILLGORE - Save yourself! Give the poor kids some candy!

Socialized Candy.

528 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:41:37am

re: #481 freetoken

I see that blogging on gardening doesn't generate many hits. I guess I should get back to writing headlines about sex-starlets and reality TV.

Pro-tipp: Blog about sex-starlets in a reality TV show on gardening.


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