1 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:52:31pm

the man is just goofy

2 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:54:08pm

He looks hammered in that video. Or over-medicated somehow.

3 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:55:22pm

He is so last week, the GOP has moved on to Cain.

All on the yellow-brick road to Romney, the nomination and the ultimate loss in November 2012.

What a waste of time and money.

4 jaunte  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:03:37pm

I guess we're just not ready to elect a syrup-cuddler to the Presidency.

5 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:04:48pm

re: #3 ggt

He is so last week, the GOP has moved on to Cain.

All on the yellow-brick road to Romney, the nomination and the ultimate loss in November 2012.

What a waste of time and money.

It is rather sad. They've already dumped Perry in disgust, and now Cain got whacked by two scandals in one day. If he should fall, where do they turn? Dust off Rick and say "Sorry we gave you so much shit about illegals and vaccines, now please save us from the evil Romney"?

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:06:27pm

re: #5 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It is rather sad. They've already dumped Perry in disgust, and now Cain got whacked by two scandals in one day. If he should fall, where do they turn? Dust off Rick and say "Sorry we gave you so much shit about illegals and vaccines, now please save us from the evil Romney"?

Rick Santorum --he lost it with his Catholic Family interview.

It's going to be Romney, and barring any major mishap by Obama or national disaster, the GOP will be finished in 2012.

7 genghisjon  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:07:05pm

It's called xanex.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:13:43pm

re: #7 genghisjon

It's called xanex.

Never made me that weird.

With alcohol on top, maybe.

9 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:14:05pm

re: #6 ggt

Rick Santorum --he lost it with his Catholic Family interview.

It's going to be Romney, and barring any major mishap by Obama or national disaster, the GOP will be finished in 2012.

Santorum never really had it. He's been fighting for relevance in this whole charade since Day One. When he announced, it wasn't to fanfare, but to many rolling eyes and mutters of "Here we go again." Honestly, I'm surprised he hasn't dropped out by now.

10 Four More Beers  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:14:14pm

While Perry is clearly off (or on, perhaps?) his meds or drunk, Maddow has always had a serious issue coming off as a "journalist." If she wants to do her ads for MSNBC to promote the product, fine, but she is no more a journalist than any one else at Fox. Period.

11 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:16:08pm

re: #2 makeitstop

He looks hammered in that video. Or over-medicated somehow.

Rapture of the Deep. It's hard to tell but he's actually scuba diving in that video.

12 Four More Beers  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:18:03pm

Maddow from the left, O'Reilly from the right. I am so sick of the noise, regardless of ideological slant.

13 Kragar  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:18:09pm

Did he hire Spicoli to be his speech writer?

14 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:18:09pm

re: #10 Kid A

While Perry is clearly off (or on, perhaps?) his meds or drunk, Maddow has always had a serious issue coming off as a "journalist." If she wants to do her ads for MSNBC to promote the product, fine, but she is no more a journalist than any one else at Fox. Period.

The minute you accept a leading role in any of these shows, you're no longer a journalist. You've become some wierd opinion/character piece.

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:18:53pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Never made me that weird.

With alcohol on top, maybe.

xanax with vicodin can make for some loopy moments.

16 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:22:09pm

You're all a bunch of liberul druggies!
//

17 Kragar  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:22:56pm

Exclusive Footage of Rick Perry's pre-speach preparations:

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

18 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:22:59pm

I cant help but think that this video shows the real/honest Perry as opposed to a momentary lapse in sanity for him.

19 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:24:04pm

From The Wild:

Here's what the folks over at Sean Hannity's forum have to say about the Perry video/speech:

[Link: forums.hannity.com...]

20 Alexzander  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:25:04pm

re: #18 Alexzander

I cant help but think that this video shows the real/honest Perry as opposed to a momentary lapse in sanity for him.

Apparently I should watch the Maddow video as she has someone on who says Perry has never behaved in that manner before...

21 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:37:39pm

the wingnuts seem to have settled on cain. i think the harassment thing will only make them back him more solidly

i can't wait to see if he holds up and the voting follows the polls and the gop leadership gets stuck nominating him

now that would be something

22 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:39:57pm

re: #20 Alexzander

Health problem maybe?

23 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:40:34pm

You say "maple syrup," I say "sap."

24 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:44:14pm

kitler wants to blitz this thread

25 laZardo  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:45:02pm

re: #24 engineer dog

kitler wants to blitz this thread

with the whole scratchkrieg army

26 Lidane  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:45:11pm

re: #21 engineer dog

i can't wait to see if he holds up and the voting follows the polls and the gop leadership gets stuck nominating him

now that would be something

There are four major nightmares for the GOP leadership right now:

1. Nominating Cain and watching him get curbstomped by Obama
2. Nominating Romney and pissing off the wingnuts, leading them to stay home
3. Nominating Romney and ending up with a third-party challenger from the right
4. A repeat of the 2008 Democratic primaries and/or a brokered convention

None of them are good options right now, and all of them can only end badly.

27 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:51:56pm

re: #26 Lidane

There are four major nightmares for the GOP leadership right now:

1. Nominating Cain and watching him get curbstomped by Obama
2. Nominating Romney and pissing off the wingnuts, leading them to stay home
3. Nominating Romney and ending up with a third-party challenger from the right
4. A repeat of the 2008 Democratic primaries and/or a brokered convention

None of them are good options right now, and all of them can only end badly.

a brokered convention would be a helluva show. there hasn't been a real old fashioned convention in over 50 years...

28 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:52:03pm

I will say that I don't think Cain will follow the Party line if he doesn't agree with it. His ego is too big. He has already proven himself in business doesn't have the insecurity of the other candidates who need the party to hold their hands and wipe their noses.

I really hope he doesn't get the nomination because I don't think he is what the country needs for POTUS.

I like him, but not for POTUS.

Unless the magical GOP fairy pulls some really spectacular candidate out of the hat soon, we will see Obama as POTUS for another 4 years. I don't object. I'm upset the GOP is leading us to a one party system.

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:55:36pm

re: #27 engineer dog

a brokered convention would be a helluva show. there hasn't been a real old fashioned convention in over 50 years...

I really don't think I could handle the drama.

OMG! Bob save us!

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:58:21pm

Some kitlers cannot be taken seriously.

Unlike the GOP candidates, of which, none can be taken seriously.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:01:12pm

re: #30 ggt

Some kitlers cannot be taken seriously.

Unlike the GOP candidates, of which, none can be taken seriously.

I call those 'Chaplin kitties'.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:02:08pm

Earth to Perry:

The Good Ole' Boy Train is not going to take you to D.C.

Stay in Austin, save us all a lot of time and money.

33 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:02:34pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I call those 'Chaplin kitties'.

teehee

34 Lidane  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:05:12pm

re: #27 engineer dog

a brokered convention would be a helluva show. there hasn't been a real old fashioned convention in over 50 years...

A brokered convention would be both hilarious and awesome. I think I'd actually watch the RNC if that happened.

It won't happen, of course. The party leadership will push like hell for the base and the delegates to STFU and get the hell back in line, even if they hate Romney. But if it DID happen, the fallout would be amazing. I could easily see the wingnut/Freeper/WND base demanding a third-party or independent challenger if Romney gets the nod.

35 Cheechako  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:05:44pm

re: #27 engineer dog

a brokered convention would be a helluva show. there hasn't been a real old fashioned convention in over 50 years...

A brokered convention would give new meaning to "Must Watch TV".

36 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:06:48pm

He's a dumber George W.

37 Lidane  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:09:56pm

re: #36 Tigger2

He's a dumber George W.

Dubya had a conscience. Goodhair? Not so much.

Perry's more of a male Sarah Palin.

38 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:10:05pm

re: #28 ggt

I will say that I don't think Cain will follow the Party line if he doesn't agree with it. His ego is too big. He has already proven himself in business doesn't have the insecurity of the other candidates who need the party to hold their hands and wipe their noses.

I really hope he doesn't get the nomination because I don't think he is what the country needs for POTUS.

I like him, but not for POTUS.

Unless the magical GOP fairy pulls some really spectacular candidate out of the hat soon, we will see Obama as POTUS for another 4 years. I don't object. I'm upset the GOP is leading us to a one party system.

I don't like Cain as a politician and I hate his politics with the same intensity that his politics strives to make me a 2nd classer. Like Ms. Palin, in whose showbiz/tabloid footsteps he's following, and without whom he as a presidential candidate he could never exist, there are things about his public persona that I find interesting and sometimes funny. But not for a presidential run, not in 2012.

Let him pull this old sloppy bullshit in 2016, see how far it gets him. The only people falling for that old gag are white confederates. Good luck to him trying to get very far with even a fraction of the 23 percenters.

39 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:10:05pm

re: #12 Kid A

Maddow from the left, O'Reilly from the right. I am so sick of the noise, regardless of ideological slant.

I would like to see some long term fact checking, but I think I know which one would hold up better.

40 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:12:08pm

re: #37 Lidane

Dubya had a conscience. Goodhair? Not so much.

Perry's more of a male Sarah Palin.

He acts and sounds like W.

41 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:13:30pm

re: #37 Lidane

Dubya had a conscience.

Not buying that.

42 laZardo  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:14:09pm

re: #40 Tigger2

He acts and sounds like W.

Blocked an investigation that would have very likely saved an innocent man from execution.

Not like W.

43 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:15:28pm

re: #42 laZardo

Blocked an investigation that would have very likely saved an innocent man from execution.

Not like W.

He has mannerisms and sounds like W.

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:16:00pm

re: #37 Lidane

Dubya had a conscience. Goodhair? Not so much.

Perry's more of a male Sarah Palin.

Sarah's cuter.

/ < -- should I have?

45 Kragar  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:16:13pm

re: #36 Tigger2

He's a dumber George W.

He's George Bush stripped of his upbringing, education, eloquence, and charm.

46 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:16:28pm

re: #42 laZardo

Blocked an investigation that would have very likely saved an innocent man from execution.

Not like W.

W was uninterested in the case for a war which killed thousands. I guess he is't like W, yet.

47 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:18:11pm

My beef is actually with the voters who keep re-electing him and all those people who thought he was just the thing the Republican Party needed.

48 laZardo  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:20:25pm

re: #46 SteveMcG

Him and all the Congressmen and Senators that voted for it.

49 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:22:13pm

re: #48 laZardo

Him and all the Congressmen and Senators that voted for it.

I do think that there were some Congressmen and Senators who were lied to. Bush, as C in C, bears the most responsibility.

50 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:22:25pm

re: #47 SteveMcG

My beef is actually with the voters who keep re-electing him and all those people who thought he was just the thing the Republican Party needed.

That could be said about a lot of the corporate loving politicians on both sides.
They don't represent us they represent the top tier, you can tell it by the policies they pass.

51 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:24:26pm

re: #50 Tigger2

That could be said about a lot of the corporate loving politicians on both sides.
They don't represent us they represent the top tier, you can tell it by the policies they pass.

Not quite buying that either. Corporations are powerful, but there is still a difference between the two sides.

52 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:25:56pm

did somebody slip ecstasy into his lone star, jesus christ

53 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:26:04pm

re: #51 SteveMcG

Not wuite buying that either. Corporations are powerful, but there is still a difference between the two sides.

I agree with that but you still have sell outs on the better side.

54 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:27:17pm

re: #51 SteveMcG

Not wuite buying that either. Corporations are powerful, but there is still a difference between the two sides.

Like the two blue dogs that voted against the jobs bill.

55 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:28:53pm

re: #54 Tigger2

Like the two blue dogs that voted against the jobs bill.

I got a kick out of John Boehner calling that a bipartisan vote because 2 out of 50 Democratic Senators voted against the bill.

56 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:31:01pm

Night all!

57 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 11:31:31pm

re: #56 ggt

Same here

58 laZardo  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:09:21am

Gotta head to bed. 3pm-12am shift tomorrow. :3 Nighty!

59 freetoken  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:24:56am
60 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:25:20am
61 Lidane  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:29:00am

re: #40 Tigger2

He acts and sounds like W.

Sounds, yes. Acts? Not really. He's far more ruthless and calculating than Dubya was. Even at his worst, you could believe that Dubya had some kind of sincerity. Rick Perry wouldn't know sincerity if it bit him in the ass.

I never voted for Bush or his Daddy, but I'd take either one of them over Goodhair any day.

62 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:27:02am

Morning, all

63 boxhead  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:34:41am

re: #62 researchok

Morning, all

good morning to you

64 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:35:39am

re: #63 boxhead

good morning to you

How's it going?

I hope all is well.

65 laZardo  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:41:10am

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

More clever though a little less funny than the Fresh Prince 1%.

66 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:41:51am

re: #65 laZardo

I thought you were off to sleep!

67 laZardo  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:43:23am

re: #66 researchok

I CAN'T ;_;

and btw i've been like this before the jetlag

68 boxhead  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:44:33am

re: #64 researchok

How's it going?

I hope all is well.

yeppers.. and you? had fun giving out candy tonight... did not scare a kid to cry.. but it was close

lol

69 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:45:15am

re: #67 laZardo

I can relate- for the last 3-4 months I've been overwhelmed with work.

They keep telling me it's ending but it isn't.

I've let everything else slide- not good.

70 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:46:39am

re: #68 boxhead

yeppers.. and you? had fun giving out candy tonight... did not scare a kid to cry.. but it was close

lol

Like I was saying, crazy work, crazy clients.

It's Halloween everyday for me.

I have to get off this pony!

71 boxhead  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:50:44am

this is where Euro rules about vacation kick USA's ass.... so do you dress up everyday?

:)

72 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:53:12am

re: #71 boxhead

this is where Euro rules about vacation kick USA's ass... so do you dress up everyday?

:)

Vacation right about now would be nice.

As for the coat and tie, about half the time. It's the travel that kills me- Atlanta, VA Beach, DC, among other places.

73 boxhead  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:58:00am

re: #72 researchok

Vacation right about now would be nice.

As for the coat and tie, about half the time. It's teh travel that kills me- Atlanta, VA Beach, DC, among other places.

arrr... travel on the eastern seaboard can suck donkey junk...

74 researchok  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:59:17am

For sure.

Anyway, I'm outta here.

Meetings then VA Beach later in the day.

Later, all

75 boxhead  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:59:46am

re: #74 researchok

For sure.

Anyway, I'm outta here.

Meetings then VA Beach later in the day.

Later, all

night!

76 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 2:45:35am

I think perry was just trying to hard to be personable; apparently an unnatural condition for him. His Use of "Dude!", "Brother", "cool'', and making goofy gestures just made him look and sound like a small time lounge comedian.

77 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:01:22am

Morning All

78 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:05:06am

Local news:

Suspect in day-care break-in says he brought own bikini
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Police have arrested a 43-year-old Indianapolis man they suspect broke into a daycare center and tried on several girls swimsuits.

Investigators preliminarily charged Robert Brenneman with criminal trespassing for breaking into the Indianapolis daycare. He also was preliminarily charged with resisting arrest for running from police this morning.

Late in the night Oct. 20, security video showed a man wearing a pink bikini inside the daycare.

Brenneman told police the two-piece child’s swimsuit was his own, and he brought it into the daycare.

Slideshow at link. I don't think pink is his color.

79 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:10:49am

re: #77 RogueOne

Good morning, Rogue.

80 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:15:44am

Aww, poor Pam is having a bad week.

Not only has she had to move her Preserving Freedom Conference to a church and reduce the price to $20, but she also says she's not going to speak at this Friday's Florida State Tea Party Convention because they've also invited a speaker from CAIR1. To add insult to injury, the organizers scheduled them at opposite ends of the day so she wouldn't even have a chance to debate them!

I have to wonder....

Has Tea Party gone Jihadi? Have they been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood? Who will save America from the Islamic Supremacists and their evil, creeping Sharia? Will Geller & Spencer, the only True Patriots™ remaining, now have to don their superhero capes and do it all alone?? What an outrageous outrage!!11!

Excuse me while I go make a fresh pot of coffee and try to wipe the uncharitable smirk off my face.

1. I won't link to her site—the post is easy enough to find.

81 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:16:49am

I looked to see if anyone had done a page on this story but I didn't find one:

Anonymous Threatens Mexico’s Murderous Drug Lords
[Link: www.wired.com...]

A ruthless campaign of killing, extortion and kidnapping by Mexico’s powerful Zetas drug cartel has created plenty of enemies, from the Mexican government to paramilitary vigilantes to rival cartels. But now the Zetas have a new adversary: the hacker collective Anonymous.

In a video uploaded Oct. 6, an Anonymous spokesperson said that unless the Zetas release one of the group’s members, the group will reveal the photos, names and addresses of Zetas-affiliated cops and taxi drivers. (The member was allegedly kidnapped in the western coastal city of Veracruz during an “Operation Paperstorm” demonstration.) Anonymous also threatened to out journalists accused of “crapping on honest authorities like the Army and the Navy,” the spokesperson said.

82 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:17:36am

re: #81 RogueOne

I think I saw a page on that yesterday.

83 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:18:42am

re: #82 CuriousLurker

I scrolled back 25 hours and couldn't find one. Yesterday I missed a story on the front page so it wouldn't surprise me if I missed this one too.

84 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:19:32am

re: #78 RogueOne

EeeeeeeW!

85 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:20:52am

re: #83 RogueOne

Oops—sorry, you're right. I must've seen it somewhere else because Googling the title along with LGF isn't bringing anything up, and it always does if there's a page on it.

86 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:31:52am

Daily Show:

"Best case scenario, that dude is hammered. Worst case, that's Perry sober and every time we've previously seen him he's been hammered...Mitt Romney is the luckiest Mother Fudger on earth."

87 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:34:23am

Va Republican party condemns Loudoun GOP e-mail with an image of Obama shot in the head
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The Republican Party of Virginia is strongly condemning an e-mail sent by Loudoun County’s GOP committee that shows President Obama as a zombie with part of his skull missing and a bullet through his head.

“The disgusting image used today on a mass e-mail has no place in our politics. Ever,’’ said Pat Mullins, chairman of the state party. “The Republican Party of Virginia condemns the image and its use in the strongest possible terms.”

Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) called the e-mail “shameful and offensive,’’ his spokesman Tucker Martin said. “He calls on those involved to apologize for their actions, and to immediately ensure that such imagery is never used again. The governor has long stressed the need for more civility and respect in our politics. An e-mail like this one undermines those goals, offends all Virginians and discredits our entire political process. It will not be tolerated.”

Image: obamashotinthehead1.jpg

88 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:36:20am

Morning Honcos.

89 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:39:52am

Steve Jobs's last words: 'Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I always figured mine would be "ohshit, ohshit, ohshit!!!"

90 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:41:18am

re: #87 RogueOne

Wouldn't have been nearly as bad without the bullet head.

Idiots. I'd expect that from random kids on the intertubes, not an actual GOP county chair.

They made a nice non-apology, too.

The Loudoun County Republican Committee yesterday sent an email to its members that represented a light-hearted attempt to inject satire humor into the Halloween holiday,’’ Sell wrote. Apparently, some individuals have interpreted an image of Barack Obama that appeared within the email as intending to portray the president as a victim of a violent crime. Nothing could be further from the truth, and we deeply and sincerely apologize to the president and anyone who viewed the image if that was the impression that was left. The LCRC deplores any effort to display, suggest or promote violence against the president or any other political figure.

I'm fairly sure that a picture of Obama's corpse, animated or no, with a bullet hole in its head really is a portrayal of him as a victim of violent crime. I mean, the defense to that is "No no, we meant shooting Obama in the head after he was dead already", which doesn't sound that good.

91 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:41:46am

re: #86 RogueOne

OK, I admit it. When I first saw the perry video I thought it was another bad lip reading thing. :)

92 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:45:44am

re: #90 Obdicut

Wouldn't have been nearly as bad without the bullet head.

Idiots. I'd expect that from random kids on the intertubes, not an actual GOP county chair.
......

I agree and that's what I was wondering, would people have been upset if they hadn't put the bullet hole in the pic.

93 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:46:27am

re: #91 EdDantes

OK, I admit it. When I first saw the perry video I thought it was another bad lip reading thing. :)

That's a great observation! Ha! They don't even have to work on that one, they should just post it like it is.

94 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:46:36am

re: #87 RogueOne

This conservative republican also condemns it.Can't these people learn?

95 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:47:05am

re: #76 EdDantes

I think perry was just trying to hard to be personable; apparently an unnatural condition for him. His Use of "Dude!", "Brother", "cool'', and making goofy gestures just made him look and sound like a small time lounge comedian.

I was reminded more of Jim Carrey at his goofiest.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:49:14am

Boiled egg with 'mooseknuckle'.

The confidence that some people exhibit.

97 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:49:52am

Tenn. agrees to stop enforcing curfew, arresting Occupy Wall Street protesters near Capitol.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee officials agreed Monday to stop enforcing a new curfew used to dislodge Occupy Nashville protesters from the grounds around the Capitol.

The protesters went to federal court seeking a temporary restraining order against Gov. Bill Haslam, arguing the curfew and arrests of dozens of supporters violated their rights to free speech and freedom of assembly.

State Attorney General’s Office Senior Counsel Bill Marett announced at the beginning of a hearing before Judge Aleta Trauger that the state would not fight efforts to halt the policy.

The judge said she had already decided to grant the restraining order because the curfew was a “clear prior restraint on free speech rights.”

“I can’t think of a more quintessential public forum than Legislative Plaza,” Trauger said.

It only took being told it was illegal 3 times by a judge and the threat of a lawsuit by the ACLU before they finally got the message.

98 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:50:36am

re: #92 RogueOne

I would have still thought it was a little crass and dumb without the bullet hole, but nowhere near as mindlessly stupid. I thought it was jerktastic to portray McCain as a vampire, but this takes it one step further. I guess if that photographer had shown McCain as a vampire being staked through the heart and she was a county chairman of the DNC, and not a photographer.

Nice to see it's at least being condemned by some in the GOP.

99 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:51:24am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boiled egg with 'mooseknuckle'.

The confidence that some people exhibit.

Stop stealing pictures from my self-portrait gallery. We've talked about this.

100 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:55:43am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

camel toe: Good
Mooseknuckle: bad

101 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:56:01am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also, is he rubbing himself with a feather, or just carrying around a cheese knife?

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:57:51am

re: #101 Obdicut

Also, is he rubbing himself with a feather, or just carrying around a cheese knife?

That's a fork. Sometimes the colon is just not impacted enough.

103 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:58:31am

Daily bad idea #3:

Activists propose 'shutting down' candidate offices during Iowa caucuses
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

The plan has been dubbed the "First in the Nation Caucus Occupation" - a play on words for the first-in-the-nation presidential contest. The idea is to have activists from across the nation, and possibly beyond, descend on Iowa.

The plan: "people coming to Iowa, occupying every presidential (candidate's) office, shutting them down until they start talking real turkey about what's going on in this country, where the 99% of the people who are not benefiting, at the expense of the 1% who are getting away with murder," said Frank Cordaro, one of the organizers.

The plan is to target offices for Republican candidates and President Barack Obama's campaign offices in the state.

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:59:40am

re: #103 RogueOne

As long as they hit the POTUS too.

105 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:00:40am

Good Morning Honcos!!

Neat site for the 2012 budget. You can zoom in to see how a program has changed from last year and 2002 as a baseline. Enjoy.

[Link: deathandtaxesposter.com...]

106 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:02:24am

re: #103 RogueOne

Daily bad idea #3:

Activists propose 'shutting down' candidate offices during Iowa caucuses
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Tax the rich to feed the poor,
til there are no rich no more!!
//

107 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:03:31am

re: #104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As long as they hit the POTUS too.

I think it's a bad idea. Right now they still have a (at least partially) sympathetic public view. Shutting down political offices would be lousy PR.

108 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:03:57am

re: #98 Obdicut

I would have still thought it was a little crass and dumb without the bullet hole, but nowhere near as mindlessly stupid. I thought it was jerktastic to portray McCain as a vampire, but this takes it one step further. I guess if that photographer had shown McCain as a vampire being staked through the heart and she was a county chairman of the DNC, and not a photographer.

Nice to see it's at least being condemned by some in the GOP.

I'm all about that county chair getting a visit from Secret Service as a gentle reminder.

109 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:03:59am

re: #106 rwdflynavy

Tax the rich to feed the poor,
til there are no rich no more!!
//

I'm betting you'd love to change the world, but you don't know what to do.

110 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:06:09am

re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm betting you'd love to change the world, but you don't know what to do.

It is that old argument about cutting people bigger pieces of the pie or baking a bigger pie. I know which I'd prefer.

Also, FBV is always in favor of pie!

111 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:06:20am

re: #108 rwdflynavy

I'm all about that county chair getting a visit from Secret Service as a gentle reminder.

Those folks have zero sense of humor.

112 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:06:51am

re: #110 rwdflynavy

It is that old argument about cutting people bigger pieces of the pie or baking a bigger pie. I know which I'd prefer.

Also, FBV is always in favor of pie!

It's also lyrics to a song.

113 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:09:03am

re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar

So I'll leave it up to you.

114 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:09:14am

re: #111 RogueOne

Those folks have zero sense of humor.

When we lived in Jax, we were in a Sunday School class with a retired SS agent. He had some very interesting stories...

115 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:10:03am

re: #112 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's also lyrics to a song.

I did not know that!
//

116 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:11:17am

re: #113 EdDantes

So I'll leave it up to you.

I've actually forgotten how cool this song is.

117 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:12:10am

re: #114 rwdflynavy

When we lived in Jax, we were in a Sunday School class with a retired SS agent. He had some very interesting stories...

I had 2 of them show up at my shop during the clinton admin looking for my brother. He had no idea why they were there, first time I've ever seen my brother scared. A friend of his had applied to be on one of the presidents' flight crews and there was a gun charge (involving a bb gun war on base) they wanted to ask him about.

118 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:15:04am

The moment man was publicly beheaded in a Saudi Arabian car park for being a 'sorcerer'
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Shocking footage has surfaced of a Sudanese man being publicly beheaded in Saudi Arabia for being a 'sorcerer'.

Crouched on his knees and blindfolded, Abdul Hamid Bin Hussain Bin Moustafa al-Fakki was executed in a car park Medina, in the west of the country, as dozens looked on last month.

The grainy footage - which MailOnline believes is too graphic to publish - shows the executioner lining his sword up on the back of Abdul Hamid's neck, before one swift stroke decapitates him.

The Sudanese man, who was killed on September 20, is believed to have been the 44th person executed in Saudi Arabia this year - and the 11th foreign national.

The total for 2011 is 17 more than for the whole of 2010.

Lebanese TV host Ali Hussain Sibat, who was sentenced to death over making predictions of the future on his show, had been scheduled to be beheaded on Friday.

His attorney May El Khansa said the execution did not take place on that day - but that did not mean Sibat has been given a reprieve.

119 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:17:13am

re: #118 RogueOne

The Sudanese man, who was killed on September 20, is believed to have been the 44th person executed in Saudi Arabia this year - and the 11th foreign national.

Are they in competition with Texas?

120 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:17:19am

re: #118 RogueOne

The moment man was publicly beheaded in a Saudi Arabian car park for being a 'sorcerer'
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

"Our friends the Saudis"
//

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:17:33am

re: #118 RogueOne

The thing I hate most about the internet. Death Porn.

Not gonna click it.

122 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:18:35am

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The thing I hate most about the internet. Death Porn.

Not gonna click it.

This is worse.

[Link: www.google.com...]

123 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:19:09am

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The thing I hate most about the internet. Death Porn.

Not gonna click it.

Wouldn't be prudent.

124 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:19:22am

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Sudanese man, who was killed on September 20, is believed to have been the 44th person executed in Saudi Arabia this year - and the 11th foreign national.

Are they in competition with Texas?

Even in Texas they don't execute "sorcerers" for predicting the future...anymore.
//

125 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:19:57am

re: #122 rwdflynavy

God! The humanity!

126 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:20:00am

re: #124 rwdflynavy

Even in Texas they don't execute "sorcerers" for predicting the future...anymore.
//

Thats right
They name them to the State Board of (somethingorother)

127 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:20:36am

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The thing I hate most about the internet. Death Porn.

Not gonna click it.

wuss!
/

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:22:41am

re: #127 sattv4u2

wuss!
/

My nose bleeds every 28 days.

129 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:23:42am

Criminal charges, Seriously?

Middletown middle schooler charged with defacing school bus seat with marker
[Link: www.pennlive.com...]

A 13-year-old in Lower Swatara Township was cited with disorderly conduct after police alleged he drew on his school bus seat with permanent marker during the ride to Middletown Area Middle School Wednesday.

It's not clear what he wrote.

130 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:25:39am

re: #129 RogueOne

Criminal charges, Seriously?

Middletown middle schooler charged with defacing school bus seat with marker
[Link: www.pennlive.com...]

Meh, make the little turd spend a Saturday afternoon washing buses. But I'm sure there is the quote "zero tolerance" in there somewhere.

131 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:27:30am

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My nose bleeds every 28 days.

Stop pissing people off every 4 weeks and they won't be punching you in the nose anymore!!!

132 garhighway  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:27:33am

Good Morning from NYC, where it is still dark out.

I see that the GOP race is now over, with both Perry and Cain imploding in the last few days, leaving them with no one but Romney. (Is Pawlenty kicking himself right about now, or what?)

I also see that Newt is trying to create a "what about Newt" boomlet, which he cannily follows up on by campaigning in...wait for it... Norway.

For a guy who is supposed to be the Big Thinker in the GOP race, he has been surprisingly unserious about running.

133 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:28:22am

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meh, make the little turd spend a Saturday afternoon washing buses. But I'm sure there is the quote "zero tolerance" in there somewhere.

Criminally charging kids for doing the stupid shit kids do has gotten completely out of hand. The clearance I needed for the Intel branch takes around 6 months to get, mine took almost 13 months (longer than my first marriage lasted!). If I had been actually arrested for all the stupid crap I did they would have never let me in the Army to begin with. They're ruining kids lives over nothing.

134 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:29:31am

re: #133 RogueOne

Criminally charging kids for doing the stupid shit kids do has gotten completely out of hand. The clearance I needed for the Intel branch takes around 6 months to get, mine took almost 13 months (longer than my first marriage lasted!). If I had been actually arrested for all the stupid crap I did they would have never let me in the Army to begin with. They're ruining kids lives over nothing.

You must have married a Kardashian.

//

135 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:31:09am

re: #134 rwdflynavy

You must have married a Kardashian.

//

There were some, ummm, "issues"....Good times, good times.

136 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:31:33am

re: #133 RogueOne

Just another "unintended consequence".

137 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:32:18am

re: #135 RogueOne

There were some, ummm, "issues"...Good times, good times.

Found out "he" was a "she"??
NTTAWWT!!!

138 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:32:20am

re: #135 RogueOne

There were some, ummm, "issues"...Good times, good times.

Was there a knife involved?

139 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:33:06am

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was there a knife involved?

Scalpel, actually

(see #137)

140 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:35:48am

Ok I finally watched that clip all the way, someone needs to make a bobblehead Rick Perry.

141 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:35:56am

re: #137 sattv4u2

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

Turns out excessive dating was a red flag but they were ok with the violence issue. There was one incident that no one knew about but my best friend from HS. When they asked him how I would react if someone tried to blackmail me over it he said "Violently". They didn't have a problem with that...Go Army!

142 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:36:40am

K Kiddies

Have the house all to myself (well,,, me and the pooches) for an hour before I have to get ready for the long quiet drive into work!!

Cya when I get there!!

143 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:36:45am

Zdravstvujte.

144 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:36:49am

re: #141 RogueOne

ouchies!

145 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:37:20am

re: #143 Sergey Romanov

Zdravstvujte.

need a kleenex?
You got some on your shirt!

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:38:24am

re: #145 sattv4u2

No thanks, that's sweet wingnut tears.

147 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:38:56am

re: #143 Sergey Romanov

Image: 3.gif

148 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:39:10am

re: #144 sattv4u2

ouchies!

I was a little angry during my teen years. My senior class voted me "Most Likely to go to Prison". I can't imagine how different my life would have been if people had reacted to my behavior the way they do today. Kids deserve a chance to make mistakes.

149 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:39:47am

re: #143 Sergey Romanov

Zdravstvujte.

Dobri dyen!

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:40:50am

re: #147 Obdicut

Image: 3.gif

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Blueface is racist against the Navi people./

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:41:19am

re: #148 RogueOne

Angry kid? That's about you then?//

152 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:41:54am

re: #149 Alouette

Dobri dyen!

Kak pozhivaete?

153 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:42:06am

re: #150 Sergey Romanov

I blame d’Anthès.

[Link: zdravstvujte.com...]

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:42:59am

re: #153 Obdicut

I blame d’Anthès.

[Link: zdravstvujte.com...]

Huh?

Deprecated: Function set_magic_quotes_runtime() is deprecated in /var/www/vhosts/zdravstvujte.com/httpdocs/textpattern/lib/txplib_db.php on line 14

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:43:18am

re: #154 Sergey Romanov

Ah, OK, now it loaded.

156 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:45:13am

Nite all (PST)

157 Flounder  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:45:51am

ROID RAGE!!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Apparently he is a control freak, cuz the cop didn't taze him right, so he grabbed the tazer and zapped himself. Oh my.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:45:54am

re: #156 EdDantes

Nite all (PST)

Get him, he killed Pushkin!//

159 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:48:12am

re: #157 Shropshire_Slasher

ROID RAGE!!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Apparently he is a control freak, cuz the cop didn't taze him right, so he grabbed the tazer and zapped himself. Oh my.

FTA:

Brothers went over to a treadmill where another man was working out, increased the speed of the machine and punched the man in the face, said Colonie Police Chief Steven H. Heider.

HaHaHa!

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:48:41am

re: #140 Thanos

Why?

161 boxhead  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:49:45am

re: #133 RogueOne

Criminally charging kids for doing the stupid shit kids do has gotten completely out of hand. The clearance I needed for the Intel branch takes around 6 months to get, mine took almost 13 months (longer than my first marriage lasted!). If I had been actually arrested for all the stupid crap I did they would have never let me in the Army to begin with. They're ruining kids lives over nothing.

That is the plan...

162 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:53:34am

re: #152 Sergey Romanov

Kak pozhivaete?

Kharosho!

163 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:53:39am

If an Oregon police officer is recording your traffic stop, it's legal to make your own recording of the encounter

[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

Ever wish you had the words of that all-powerful traffic cop -- the one you thought was rude or just plain wrong -- recorded?

The Oregon Court of Appeals ruled last week that a 33-year-old Cottage Grove man who did just that -- used his cell phone to surreptitiously record his encounter with a cop -- shouldn't have been convicted of a crime.

The Eugene Police officer who pulled over Shane Neff had already told the motorist that he was recording their interaction with his in-car patrol camera. A majority of judges ruled that was enough notice, and Neff needn't announce to the officer that his phone also was capturing their conversation.

164 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:55:51am

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

That's all the Russian I know. :)

Got a "Teach Yourself Russian" tape which I listened to once before a visit to Moscow in 2007 (my son was living there at the time).

His family is living in NY now but my grandkids all speak perfect Russian! They lost their cute little accents within a few months of moving to the U.S., though.

165 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:57:26am

15 shot, 2 dead in N.O. Halloween shootings
[Link: www.wwltv.com...]

I said trick or treat, mother fucker!!!

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:58:06am

re: #164 Alouette

Cool. Reminds me of this article: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

167 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:59:58am

Occupy Portland expands to Schrunk Plaza, despite feds' warning; Moore says protest is 'friggin' awesome'
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

The Occupy Portland protest spilled out Monday from its encampment in Chapman and Lownsdale squares into Terry D. Schrunk Plaza, risking arrest for camping on federal property, and filmmaker Michael Moore stopped by the downtown demonstration in support: "You don't know how friggin' awesome this is!"
....
Kristin Jones, 21, is a law student at Lewis & Clark College who has been camping in Occupy Portland since the initial march through the city Oct. 6. She moved into Schrunk Plaza, she said, "to get away from the stuff that people are criticizing the occupation for. We are drug- and alcohol-free, we are violence-free. And we are sticking it to The Man. This is our park. I don't mind getting arrested for defending my rights."

Down with The Man!

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:00:54am

re: #167 RogueOne

Ah. OK. Now I get what that guy was doing to Kaddafi.

169 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:01:25am

re: #167 RogueOne

Occupy Portland expands to Schrunk Plaza, despite feds' warning; Moore says protest is 'friggin' awesome'
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]


Down with The Man!

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sounds great!!!
//

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:02:47am

Complementary to yesterday's idiotic "Republican zombies" clip:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Obama depicted as zombie in GOP email

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:03:19am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

Costume? Check.
Candy? Check.
45? Check.

172 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:03:34am

re: #169 rwdflynavy

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sounds great!!!
//

Careful, according to some previous posts it looks like we have a couple of commie sympathizers among us....//

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:04:28am

re: #172 RogueOne

Careful, according to some previous posts it looks like we have a couple of commie sympathizers among us...//

One Russo-Commie and one Judeo-Bolshevik///

174 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:04:43am
Kristin Jones, 21, is a law student at Lewis & Clark College who has been camping in Occupy Portland since the initial march through the city Oct. 6. She moved into Schrunk Plaza, she said, "to get away from the stuff that people are criticizing the occupation for. We are drug- and alcohol-free, we are violence-free. And we are sticking it to The Man. This is our park. I don't mind getting arrested for defending my rights.

And then she uploaded a video to Youtube from her iphone 4S after tweeting her thoughts to the world on how much she hates evil corporations.

175 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:05:11am

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

Cool. Reminds me of this article: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

My grandkids learned English from their father (my son), Hebrew from their mother (she is Israeli) and Russian at school (when they lived in Moscow). Now that they are back in the U.S. their mother enrolls them in after school activities where there are a lot of other Russian-speaking kids, like ballet and gymnastics.

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:05:57am

re: #175 Alouette

Did they feel a lot of antisemitism while in Moscow?

177 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:06:44am

re: #175 Alouette

My grandkids learned English from their father (my son), Hebrew from their mother (she is Israeli) and Russian at school (when they lived in Moscow). Now that they are back in the U.S. their mother enrolls them in after school activities where there are a lot of other Russian-speaking kids, like ballet and gymnastics.

Reason #2 why they lost the cold war.

178 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:08:46am

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

Did they feel a lot of antisemitism while in Moscow?

It was very weird. There was a knife attack at the Bolshaya Bronaya synagogue--students overwhelmed the knifer, took away his knife and sat on his feet and hands until the police arrived. The synagogues all had metal detectors after that and all events, like the Passover seder. had very stringent security. My son travelled with a bodyguard and his wife and kids had bodyguards when they went out.

179 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:09:52am

re: #178 Alouette

Alouette, can you tell me if Maariv is a reliable, mainstream newspaper?

*waves at Sergey*

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:10:27am

re: #178 Alouette

Ah, yes. Koptsev. Thankfully he got 16 years. And on the personal level?

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:11:17am

re: #179 CuriousLurker

*waves back*
;)

182 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:11:29am

re: #178 Alouette

Bodyguards? Damn.

183 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:11:35am

Off to class.

Yes I know, I have no class. Later Lizards!

184 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:12:11am

I'm running behind too. Enjoy the day people!

185 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:14:18am

re: #179 CuriousLurker

Alouette, can you tell me if Maariv is a reliable, mainstream newspaper?

*waves at Sergey*

Does Maariv have an English website? I have not seen it.

The Israeli news sites I visit are YNet and Haaretz. Haaretz has a leftist bias but their straight news stories are generally accurate. YNet is more of a tabloid and they are ferociously biased against the religious population, both the "ultra-Orthodox" and the modern religious Zionist. Arutz Sheva is totally derpy and Jerusalem Post I stay away from because they have destroyed their website with popups, crap ads and hiding most stuff behind a paywall.

186 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:15:56am

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The thing I hate most about the internet. Death Porn.

Not gonna click it.

I don't either.

187 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:18:15am

re: #185 Alouette

No, Maariv doesn't have an English site, but someone was inquiring about a source for a story in one of the pages and that was the only place I could find it that looked mainstream. I had to use Google translate once I found the page (via some pretty far left Jewish blogs). That's why I was wondering about it.

Thanks for the rundown on the others.

188 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:19:31am

re: #180 Sergey Romanov

Ah, yes. Koptsev. Thankfully he got 16 years. And on the personal level?

My son has encountered a few anti-Semites. He regards it as a challenge to confront them. For example, he was walking along a main street in Moscow (I forget which Ring it was) and some skinhead yelled out Zhid! He went over to the guy (of course with his bodyguard Vitaly) and started a conversation. Then the guy said he didn't really hate Jews but he hated Americans. And my son said "and yet here you are, eating at a McDonald's and wearing Gap clothes."

189 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:21:13am

re: #187 CuriousLurker

No, Maariv doesn't have an English site, but someone was inquiring about a source for a story in one of the pages and that was the only place I could find it that looked mainstream. I had to use Google translate once I found the page (via some pretty far left Jewish blogs). That's why I was wondering about it.

Thanks for the rundown on the others.

I would say that Maariv is lefter than YNet but not as far left as Haaretz.

The order of Israeli media, from Derp to Moonbat:

Arutz Sheva (IsraelNationalNews), Jerusalem Post, YNet, Maariv, Haaretz.

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:21:55am

re: #188 Alouette

My son has encountered a few anti-Semites. He regards it as a challenge to confront them. For example, he was walking along a main street in Moscow (I forget which Ring it was) and some skinhead yelled out Zhid! He went over to the guy (of course with his bodyguard Vitaly) and started a conversation. Then the guy said he didn't really hate Jews but he hated Americans. And my son said "and yet here you are, eating at a McDonald's and wearing Gap clothes."

Big thumbs up for that! Anti-Americanism often intersects with antisemitism, of course.

191 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:22:50am

re: #189 Alouette

The order of Israeli media, from Derp to Moonbat:

LOL, that phrase right there is a keeper! Thanks.

192 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:25:42am

Morning Lizardim. Last night's festivities weren't terribly frigid, which is a good thing when carting around a 7-month-old baby. Certainly was a good workout for my arms, though. What's new out in Lizardia?

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:27:23am

On this? I think the librarians have a point..

There's 11 million in new building, but they're cutting ten and a half million from staff and service. So, why not wait for new building and not cut the staff and service?

194 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:29:39am

Video of Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" segment last night on the imploding Herman Cain and Rick Perry campaigns is up - he was a bit nicer than he could have been, but the footage he used of the two candidates was absolutely devastating.

195 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:30:17am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On this? I think the librarians have a point..

There's 11 million in new building, but they're cutting ten and a half million from staff and service. So, why not wait for new building and not cut the staff and service?

Better unions.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:32:02am

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

You made me think of California just now. I wonder how many retired Chicago public employees make in excess of $75,000 per year, plus perks.

197 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:33:01am

re: #191 CuriousLurker

LOL, that phrase right there is a keeper! Thanks.

Because YNet and Haaretz are so biased against religious Jews, I will go to this blog. And of course there is JTA, which is middle-of-the-road. Some people might also recommend The Forward but I can't stand it because of the way they try to be all hip and trendy and suck up to stupid celebrities.

198 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:33:48am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On this? I think the librarians have a point..

There's 11 million in new building, but they're cutting ten and a half million from staff and service. So, why not wait for new building and not cut the staff and service?

Who will they blame for that?

199 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:36:31am

re: #197 Alouette

Thank you. I really appreciate the help.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:41:38am

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

A super-duper ($12 million) library is being built (opening this month) less than a half a mile from my house. They've even rented out space to a coffee house.

Fancy.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:44:05am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A super-duper ($12 million) library is being built (opening this month) less than a half a mile from my house. They've even rented out space to a coffee house.

Fancy.

Great. The librarians have a place to work when they get laid off.

202 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:48:26am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Great. The librarians have a place to work when they get laid off.

Our libraries have paid staff who run things and then we have people who clean, put books back on shelves, do upkeep of the library grounds. Or as I like to call them "people doing community service". Heh.

203 loubob57  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:51:52am

Sorry, I don't see anything in this video that makes me not want to vote for Rick Perry.

However, as a Texas resident I've seen plenty of what Rick Perry has done as Governor that makes me not want to vote for him.

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:53:36am

Stupid question time: I want to block an ability at twitter for users to find me by email. Is this possible?

205 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:56:03am

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: I want to block an ability at twitter for users to find me by email. Is this possible?

Now Sergey, there are no stoopid question, only stoopid people.
///

206 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:56:53am

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

Now Sergey, there are no stoopid question, only stoopid people.
///

And given how widespread the derpitude is, there's a LOT of those.

207 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:57:46am

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: I want to block an ability at twitter for users to find me by email. Is this possible?

Actually, without knowing, I would say go to the web site and see if there is a "settings" button.

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:58:14am

re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, without knowing, I would say go to the web site and see if there is a "settings" button.

No, that won't work. Too lazy.

/

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:01:42am

re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK, I forced myself and it worked. *pats self on the back*/

210 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:02:50am

The reflection of the clouds off the skyscraper across the street is stunning. It's definitely a different way to experience the day.

211 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:03:01am

re: #209 Sergey Romanov

OK, I forced myself and it worked. *pats self on the back*/

Next week's subject: "The on/off button. How does it work?"
///

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:06:06am

re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar

Next week's subject: "The on/off button. How does it work?"
///

Magnets?

213 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:47am

re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar

Next week's subject: "The on/off button. How does it work?"
///

FM: F---ing Magic.

214 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:24:11am

Ya know, we have a local business association and I'm trying to access their web site but I forgot my password. OK, fine. I click on "send me my password". Window pops up saying "we will send your password immediately". Okie dokie. Not exactly sure what the problem is.

215 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:57:25am

LOL
Perry is a FUNNY guy!!
Just imagine his set on stage after smoking a "fatty"!!
LOL
How y'all doin?
?

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:02:06am

re: #215 reloadingisnotahobby

LOL
Perry is a FUNNY guy!!
Just imagine his set on stage after smoking a "fatty"!!
LOL
How y'all doin?
?

not bad

217 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:04:10am

Morning all!

Halloween and come and gone, but there are Butterfingers left-over.

what to do?

How is everyone?

218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:05:10am

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

Now Sergey, there are no stoopid question, only stoopid people.
///

I disagree, there ARE stoopid questions.

#1 on my list:

"Where's the ketchup?"

219 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:05:22am

re: #215 reloadingisnotahobby

LOL
Perry is a FUNNY guy!!
Just imagine his set on stage after smoking a "fatty"!!
LOL
How y'all doin?
?

Where the hell have you been? (unless you were here when I wasn't)

220 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:05:58am

re: #218 ggt

I disagree, there ARE stoopid questions.

#1 on my list:

"Where's the ketchup?"

In the bottle?

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:06:25am

re: #192 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. Last night's festivities weren't terribly frigid, which is a good thing when carting around a 7-month-old baby. Certainly was a good workout for my arms, though. What's new out in Lizardia?

Did the baby wear a costume? got pix?

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:07:04am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

In the bottle?

most likely behind the milk, did you think of moving anything to look?

:0

223 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:07:13am

re: #221 ggt

Did the baby wear a costume? got pix?

Yes he did, yes I do, no I'm not sure if I'm going to share them.

224 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:07:17am

re: #217 ggt

225 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:10:42am

re: #218 ggt

I disagree, there ARE stoopid questions.

#1 on my list:

"Where's the ketchup?"

Talking with Stephen Colbert.

226 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:11:14am

re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar

Long story...short...
The kids blew up the motor in the Jeep Grand Cherokee
we just bought them...(water pump went out on the freeway)
So I spent 5 weekends and most evenings replacing (by my self...I might add)
with a low mileage (54,000) used motor.
Saved 2500.00 ....but my fingers and knuckels are still healing!

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:12:34am

re: #223 thedopefishlives

Yes he did, yes I do, no I'm not sure if I'm going to share them.

What did he dress up as?

228 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:12:35am

re: #224 reloadingisnotahobby

...the Dingo ate my post....

229 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:13:57am

re: #227 ggt

What did he dress up as?

My mom and dad got him a tiger costume, complete with tail. It was THE most adorable thing.

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:14:09am

re: #226 reloadingisnotahobby

Long story...short...
The kids blew up the motor in the Jeep Grand Cherokee
we just bought them...(water pump went out on the freeway)
So I spent 5 weekends and most evenings replacing (by my self...I might add)
with a low mileage (54,000) used motor.
Saved 2500.00 ...but my fingers and knuckels are still healing!

Did you make the kids help?

Dad used to make me help him fix my mistakes. Which was really a way of punishing me without punishing me because I didn't do anything but sit quietly and patiently while he talked and worked. Well, I had to be a gopher.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:14:33am

re: #229 thedopefishlives

My mom and dad got him a tiger costume, complete with tail. It was THE most adorable thing.

I like baby tigers.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:14:53am

This should be interesting to watch tomorrow...

Occupy Oakland plans to shut down city Wednesday

Occupy Oakland has big plans for its general strike Wednesday, hoping to completely shut down the city for the day with anti-capitalist rallies and a march to the Port of Oakland.

Calling for people to “occupy everywhere,” Oakland demonstration organizers are calling for students to walk out of school, employees to leave work, and banks and other corporations to shut down for the day to show the nation’s wealthiest that the people can shut down a major American city.

“The wealth of the 1 percent is produced by the work of the 99 percent,” Occupy Oakland organizer Louise Michel said during a news conference at Broadway and Telegraph Avenue in downtown Oakland. “The people are awake and don’t want to allow the chokehold capitalism has on our lives anymore.”

The general strike is scheduled to begin at 9 a.m., and it would be the first time in 75 years that a mass gathering of labor forces stood together for change. The last general strike in the U.S. was in Oakland in 1946.

233 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:15:00am

re: #217 ggt

Morning all!

Halloween and come and gone, but there are Butterfingers left-over.

what to do?
...that's a rhetorical...yes?

234 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:15:17am

re: #226 reloadingisnotahobby

Long story...short...
The kids blew up the motor in the Jeep Grand Cherokee
we just bought them...(water pump went out on the freeway)
So I spent 5 weekends and most evenings replacing (by my self...I might add)
with a low mileage (54,000) used motor.
Saved 2500.00 ...but my fingers and knuckels are still healing!

Oh, nicely done. At least you were nice enough to replace it for them. My dad would've said, "Here's the motor, there's the wrenches, get to it."

235 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:16:13am

re: #230 ggt

No...then it would have taken 8 weekends....

236 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:18:11am

re: #234 thedopefishlives

I had my arms and hands in places that took a few minutes to figure out how to remove them....It's been 32 years since I R and R'd a V8...or any other motor!
...Damn I still got it!!

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:19:28am
"The Republican Party's effort to choose a candidate to take on Barack Obama increasingly resembles speed-dating, with party loyalists giving swift consideration to candidate after candidate, before getting restless and moving on to the next prospect," writes Gideon Rachman in The Financial Times.

teehee

238 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:19:48am

re: #236 reloadingisnotahobby

I had my arms and hands in places that took a few minutes to figure out how to remove them...It's been 32 years since I R and R'd a V8...or any other motor!
...Damn I still got it!!

I've never had to drop a motor yet. Closest I've come to that was when I burned up the transmission in my '94 Chevy, but I couldn't find the money or motivation to get another one and replace it myself, so I just sold the truck instead.

239 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:43am

re: #229 thedopefishlives

My mom and dad got him a tiger costume, complete with tail. It was THE most adorable thing.

I also got my grandson a Tiger costume!

240 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:46am

re: #231 ggt

I like baby tigers.

My wifes youngest daycare baby come dressed as a little Elephant...
trunk,round little feet and ....For cuuuute!

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:21:04am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

I've never had to drop a motor yet. Closest I've come to that was when I burned up the transmission in my '94 Chevy, but I couldn't find the money or motivation to get another one and replace it myself, so I just sold the truck instead.

Luckily, when I started driving, my Dad owned an auto repair shop.

:)

242 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:21:37am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

... Thank alot ...I think I bought that truck...LOL

243 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:24:16am

re: #241 ggt

Right on...I never thought to put a floor lift in when I built my shop!!
....Hind sight and all...

244 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:25:22am

re: #241 ggt

Luckily, when I started driving, my Dad owned an auto repair shop.

:)

Well, it wouldn't have been so bad if I was close by my dad's, as he has tools and workspace for doing heavy-duty projects like pulling engines and dropping transmissions. However, it was a bit of a stretch to get the truck 550 miles from here to there, fix it, and bring it all the way back. And it was going to be a dubious prospect at best to drop the transmission in my garage.

245 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:26:46am

re: #231 ggt

I like baby tigers.

BBQ'd or baked?

246 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:27:29am

BREAKING:

Flight From Newark Crash Lands In Poland

WARSAW -- A Boeing 767 from Newark, N.J., to Poland operated by national carrier LOT with 230 people on board made a crash landing in Warsaw on Tuesday, TVN24 reported.

No one was injured, the report said.
Video footage showed the plane touching down without landing gear. It slid along the runway on its belly before grinding to a halt. Emergency services rushed to put out a small fire, the report said.

The plane circled over the airport in the Polish capital for more than an hour but could not get the landing gear to work. It then dumped fuel before making an emergency landing, the report said.

Read more: [Link: www.tvn24.pl...]

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:30:02am

re: #245 sattv4u2

BBQ'd or baked?

in pictures and at the zoo, in the wild.

I'd love to cuddle one, but I'd have to give it back eventually.

248 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:30:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area (now, with more homes attached to the grid - mine included). We've still got a couple million people without power across the region, but at least the weather is nicer and not nearly as cold as it was. Still a crappy situation.

We got power back overnight. Now have to deal with the tree limbs down and that should be fun.

Meanwhile, Jon Corzine's got to be squirming more than a bit after regulators have found that MF Global was improperly using client money in trying to backstop its losing bond bets. They've got to account for $700+ million - and that they don't know where the money is is a staggering mess, and shows failings of both the regulators and the brokerage.

Heads must roll. You do not mess with client accounts and commingle funds. Yet, that's what appeared to have happened here. Club Fed can't come fast enough for those involved.

249 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:30:57am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

This should be interesting to watch tomorrow...

Occupy Oakland plans to shut down city Wednesday

I doubt much is going to happen. Even if a few unions join it won't be much more than a blip.

250 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:31:47am

The wind is picking up and I have mountains of leaves to move...
so they land on some on elses yard/property....I love Fall!!
...I'm a "Stinker"!!;-)

251 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:34:48am

re: #248 lawhawk

Didn't someone in NYC (city commissioner maybe) pass or try to pass a law were people have to do perp walks? Or do I have that backward?

252 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:35:43am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't someone in NYC (city commissioner maybe) pass or try to pass a law were people have to do perp walks? Or do I have that backward?

Nope. A ban on them.
[Link: articles.cnn.com...]

253 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:36:52am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't someone in NYC (city commissioner maybe) pass or try to pass a law were people have to do perp walks? Or do I have that backward?

They have to walk backwards in cuffs !?!?!

254 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:37:33am

re: #253 sattv4u2

They have to walk backwards in cuffs !?!?!

Yes. That way they can see where they've been.

255 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:39:06am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. That way they can see where they've been.

...better to see who's behind you anyway....wait...what?

256 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:41:24am

Scumbag of the day...

Kent State University president slams anti-Israel professor

(JTA) -- The president of Kent State University decried the behavior of a professor who shouted "death to Israel" during a lecture given by a former Israeli diplomat.

Ishmael Khaldi, the former deputy consul general at the Israeli Consulate in San Francisco, was confronted by Kent State University history professor Julio Pino during a question-and-answer session following Khaldi's speech at a campus event last week. Khaldi was speaking about his life as a Bedouin in Israel who rose through the ranks of the Foreign Ministry, as well as Middle East issues.

Pino, a convert to Islam and a tenured professor, asked Khaldi how the Israeli government could justify providing aid to countries like Turkey -- to which Israel recently sent earthquake aid -- with “blood money” from the deaths of Palestinian children. After briefly arguing with Khaldi, Pino left the auditorium shouting “Death to Israel.” An audience member responded by shouting “Shame on you” after him.

KSU President Lester Lefton said in a letter published on the university's website that Pino's behavior was "reprehensible, and an embarrassment to our university."

257 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:41:50am

re: #255 reloadingisnotahobby

...better to see who's behind you anyway...wait...what?

Na. Just take the honeybun offered and wait for the next guy. Wait. What?
///

259 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:45:00am

Some people have absolutely nothing to do...

Fans Erect a Shrine to Kim Kardashian’s Short, Lucrative Marriage

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:45:20am

re: #248 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area (now, with more homes attached to the grid - mine included). We've still got a couple million people without power across the region, but at least the weather is nicer and not nearly as cold as it was. Still a crappy situation.

We got power back overnight. Now have to deal with the tree limbs down and that should be fun.

Meanwhile, Jon Corzine's got to be squirming more than a bit after regulators have found that MF Global was improperly using client money in trying to backstop its losing bond bets. They've got to account for $700+ million - and that they don't know where the money is is a staggering mess, and shows failings of both the regulators and the brokerage.

Heads must roll. You do not mess with client accounts and commingle funds. Yet, that's what appeared to have happened here. Club Fed can't come fast enough for those involved.

It's going to take years for all the heads to roll. In 5 years, people will be saying "why are we spending money to prosecute these guys?". People will have already forgotten.

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:46:48am

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

Some people have absolutely nothing to do...

Fans Erect a Shrine to Kim Kardashian’s Short, Lucrative Marriage

And the rest of the world says "Kim Who?"

262 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:47:08am

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

Some people have absolutely nothing to do...

Fans Erect a Shrine to Kim Kardashian’s Short, Lucrative Marriage

Those people need to join a blog.
///

263 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:49:50am

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was ...72 days??
Not exactly a record....I'll give her an "E" for effort tho....

264 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:52:50am

One of the things I really don't like about getting old:

Body says, "Go lay on the heating pad"

Mind says, "Go do your Physical Therapy Exercises"

265 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:53:40am

re: #263 reloadingisnotahobby

It was ...72 days??
Not exactly a record...I'll give her an "E" for effort tho...

Kim Kardashian Divorce: Plans To Block Kris Humphries' Bid For Spousal Support
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Heh.

266 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:54:32am

Thar Te-blows!

267 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:54:47am

re: #263 reloadingisnotahobby

It was ...72 days??
Not exactly a record...I'll give her an "E" for effort tho...

It was just for money...$17.9 million worth. Not a bad payday for 2 1/2 months of faking love.

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:55:23am

re: #266 lawhawk

Thar Te-lows!

Planking, owling, t-bows, WTF?

269 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:56:23am

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

It was just for money...$17.9 million worth. Not a bad payday for 2 1/2 months of faking love.

For him? That would rock. Considering he is currently unemployed.

270 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:56:47am

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

It was just for money...$17.9 million worth. Not a bad payday for 2 1/2 months of faking love.

If I had spent money on a a dress and gift to attend the wedding, I'd want a refund.

I would never complain about buying new shoes tho.

;0

271 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:56:47am

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

George Takei had it right yesterday.

Kim Kardashian files for divorce after 72 days. Another example of how same-sex marriage is destroying the sanctity of the very institution.

272 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:58:26am

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

It was just for money...$17.9 million worth. Not a bad payday for 2 1/2 months of faking love.

Can't imagine there's many guys that wouldn't stick their dick in crazy for that kind of a haul.

273 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:59:45am
274 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:01:28am

re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar

Blinky.

You would think with the extra eye it wouldn't have gotten caught!

275 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:03:37am
276 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:03:50am

Alrighty. going for a quick walk. bbiab.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:04:20am

Must be the first Tuesday of the Month.

Siren is being tested.

278 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:04:55am

re: #277 ggt

Must be the first Tuesday of the Month.

Siren is being tested.

Uh...
That would be my bad...
You may want to duck under a desk...

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:05:33am

re: #278 Varek Raith

Uh...
That would be my bad...
You may want to duck under a desk...

VAREK! WHAT have you been doing?

280 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:06:29am

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan


Do you think the cops are purposefully not arresting people for rape or something? That's a kind of serious charge to make against them.

281 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:07:48am

re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alrighty. going for a quick walk. bbiab.

Not if you take a long one off a short pier!

282 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:10:11am

re: #279 ggt

VAREK! WHAT have you been doing?

Cat jumped on the Doomsday Console™.

283 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:10:28am

re: #279 ggt

VAREK! WHAT have you been doing?

Careful. Varek likes "your mom" jokes. ///

284 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:11:07am

re: #282 Varek Raith

Cat jumped on the Doomsday Console™.

Well, that explains the large crater in my back yard this morning.

285 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:12:01am

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

A young girl at OWS describes assaults and rapes happening at Zuccotti Park. One of the rape victims was a blind man. The crime at that park needs to stop. When will they let the police go in and make arrests?

[Video]

I was just reading up on the security problems. I think a large part of the problem is that these parks are public and the protesters can't just take them over and decide who stays and who goes. I think the whole idea of camping in urban parks is probably not the best idea.

286 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:13:55am

re: #280 Obdicut

Do you think the cops are purposefully not arresting people for rape or something? That's a kind of serious charge to make against them.

If the victim (or a witness) doesn't report it who are the cops supposed to arrest?

287 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:14:15am

re: #280 Obdicut

Do you think the cops are purposefully not arresting people for rape or something? That's a kind of serious charge to make against them.

I believe the protester are telling everyone not to report any crimes because they want to police themselves.

288 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:14:59am

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

A young girl at OWS describes assaults and rapes happening at Zuccotti Park. One of the rape victims was a blind man. The crime at that park needs to stop. When will they let the police go in and make arrests?

[Video]

Great. Linking to some Lee Stranahan video. That asshole is known for making shit up including being some anti-LGF douche bag. Congratulations.

289 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:15:22am

re: #81 RogueOne

Anonymous Threatens Mexico’s Murderous Drug Lords
[Link: www.wired.com...]

See, now THAT's how you get a TV show.

290 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:15:55am

re: #288 Gus 802

Great. Linking to some Lee Stranahan video. That asshole is known for making shit up including being some anti-LGF douche bag. Congratulations.

For example:

Little Green Idiot
May 31, 2011 · 9 comments

For a prime example of the whiplash stoopid that the left is going through on the Weinergate story, look no further than Charles Johnson. This is verbatim from the Breitbart-hater’s website.

291 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:18:07am

re: #288 Gus 802

Great. Linking to some Lee Stranahan video. That asshole is known for making shit up including being some anti-LGF douche bag. Congratulations.

292 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:18:07am

re: #288 Gus 802

Is your theory that the woman is a plant making things up? Are her statements being taken out of context? I'm all in favor of being suspicious of wingnut videos but her statements match up with much of what we already know. There's a fairly serious problem. Somebody is going to have to deal with it.

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:18:39am

re: #290 Gus 802

Hmm. I usually don't mind the hostile sources, but LS does not have credibility, Breitbart flunky that he is. Maybe the girl is real but let's see some supporting evidence.

294 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:19:12am

re: #280 Obdicut

A NY Daily News editorialist made those types of claims yesterday- that the NYPD was encouraging homeless to go down to the park and raise a ruckus/mooch food/get warm/etc.

The NYPD vigorously denied those claims and notes that no one is stopping anyone from coming to the park.

Didn't claim that the NYPD was turning a blind eye to crime within the park though. And there have been instances where the NYPD has gone into the park to deal with criminal activity and some of the protesters haven't exactly been welcoming, even when they're doing their job and ridding the place of alleged criminals (such as those involved in assaults, threats, etc.)

The General Assembly also posted new rules/guidelines of conduct for those in the park, but it'll be interesting to see whether the protesters are able to enforce it in any meaningful way.

295 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:19:23am

Fact Checking Breitbart’s Camp Followers - The Sandwich Board Assumption

Andrew Breitbart camp follower Lee Stranahan is our case in point. This week he’s been spinning like an Iranian centrifuge, trying to deflect attention away from Breitbart’s reckless and totally irresponsible behavior in any way possible.

296 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:19:50am

re: #288 Gus 802

Great. Linking to some Lee Stranahan video. That asshole is known for making shit up including being some anti-LGF douche bag. Congratulations.

I didn't know that. I clicked on his name and saw he blogs on HuffPo.

297 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:19:55am

And so it begins.

Sheriff says, "No, of course my deputies didn't almost blow this veteran's head off with a tear gas canister."

Protesters identified the three deputies based on preraid video that showed them from a closer and less chaotic standpoint — near enough to make their nametags visible.

The head of the union that represents sheriff’s deputies said activists circulated one deputy’s home address online. The union has requested it be removed.

The Sheriff’s Department said an internal investigation unit is reviewing the incident, but it’s unlikely the identified deputies caused Olsen’s injury. Spokeswoman Eileen Hirst said 35 of the 37 Sheriff’s Department personnel on site for the raid were not carrying projectiles, and the two who were equipped with them did not fire.

Hirst also said the department has a policy against deputies using weapons for which they are not trained, or borrowing weapons from other law enforcement during a raid situation.

298 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:20:55am

Look, it's real simple.
Don't link to a wingnut source for credible info. If it happened, it'll be in other, more credible sources.
No?

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:21:32am

I need technical help.

All of the sudden, I don't know why, I can't open downloaded files. Like this one.

My mac wants ME to tell IT how to open it --excell, word, unicode, whatever. None of which work. I get pages of gobbledygook.

I have the current version of adobe installed. I just re installed it.

HELP, PLEEZ!

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:21:37am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Is your theory that the woman is a plant making things up? Are her statements being taken out of context? I'm all in favor of being suspicious of wingnut videos but her statements match up with much of what we already know. There's a fairly serious problem. Somebody is going to have to deal with it.

At this point I do not exclude outright the suspicions of fakery from the Breitbart camp. O'Keefe, anyone? Well, OK, I think this may be real, but "may be" is not good enough.

301 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:22:26am

re: #294 lawhawk

A NY Daily News editorialist made those types of claims yesterday- that the NYPD was encouraging homeless to go down to the park and raise a ruckus/mooch food/get warm/etc.

The NYPD vigorously denied those claims and notes that no one is stopping anyone from coming to the park.

Didn't claim that the NYPD was turning a blind eye to crime within the park though. And there have been instances where the NYPD has gone into the park to deal with criminal activity and some of the protesters haven't exactly been welcoming, even when they're doing their job and ridding the place of alleged criminals (such as those involved in assaults, threats, etc.)

The General Assembly also posted new rules/guidelines of conduct for those in the park, but it'll be interesting to see whether the protesters are able to enforce it in any meaningful way.

Wasn't there a story out a few weeks ago about criminals getting out of prison are heading straight for the park? That would explain a lot of the crime out there.

302 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:22:41am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

I have no comment for either of you. I'm going to do what I have to do and reported said video to Charles.

303 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:23:13am

Shakes head.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:23:27am

re: #280 Obdicut

Do you think the cops are purposefully not arresting people for rape or something? That's a kind of serious charge to make against them.

sounds a lot like the faux-horror reports we heard from NOLA. All those (non-white stereotypical) people cooped up in the stadium. Prime for scandal mongers.

305 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:11am

re: #299 ggt

I need technical help.

All of the sudden, I don't know why, I can't open downloaded files. Like this one.

My mac wants ME to tell IT how to open it --excell, word, unicode, whatever. None of which work. I get pages of gobbledygook.

I have the current version of adobe installed. I just re installed it.

HELP, PLEEZ!

Did you restart your Web browser after reinstalling Adobe?

Also, see if you can find the Adobe Reader application in the list to read it with. I don't know if Mac has this setting, but in Windows, you can tell it to remember to open that type of file with that program.

306 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:25am

re: #304 ggt

sounds a lot like the faux-horror reports we heard from NOLA. All those (non-white stereotypical) people cooped up in the stadium. Prime for scandal mongers.

Exactly. I was thinking about the same thing.

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:26am

re: #298 Varek Raith

Look, it's real simple.
Don't link to a wingnut source for credible info. If it happened, it'll be in other, more credible sources.
No?

More or less. There probably will be some follow up from the more credible sources, and then we can discuss it on less shaky grounds.

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:32am

re: #288 Gus 802

Great. Linking to some Lee Stranahan video. That asshole is known for making shit up including being some anti-LGF douche bag. Congratulations.

A new film project?

my, some people have lots of time on their hands.

309 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:25:32am

re: #298 Varek Raith

Look, it's real simple.
Don't link to a wingnut source for credible info. If it happened, it'll be in other, more credible sources.
No?

It is possible that a source caught something that may not be picked up in other media outlets until much later. The veracity of the source has to be considered in whether to give it much weight.

I'd give the allegations limited credence unless other sources follow up and verify the allegations.

310 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:25:53am

Well, I have to agree with him about Hugo Chavez.

Otherwise, yeah, he's pretty euphoric. Exhaustion, drugs, or alcohol are all possible explanations. He doesn't set off my gaydar, and I was expecting him to after reading some commentary about the video.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:26:48am

re: #305 thedopefishlives

Did you restart your Web browser after reinstalling Adobe?

Also, see if you can find the Adobe Reader application in the list to read it with. I don't know if Mac has this setting, but in Windows, you can tell it to remember to open that type of file with that program.

ah, will restart, thanks!

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:26:52am

Hooo boy.

Man's got a contract.

313 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:27:46am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Don't buy it. I understand that homeless folks have a grapevine and that they'll go where they can get free food and not worry about the NYPD accosting them. That could explain far more than the NYPD actively pushing homeless to go to Zuccotti Park or that criminals are rushing to Zuccotti once they're released because of the easy pickings (lots of tech stuff present).

314 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:29:41am

Lunch break over.
Later gators.
:)

315 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:30:08am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's got a contract that was based on fraudulent actions and was imposed and signed by himself. He gave himself that contract. There was no oversight, except by the others involved in the scandal.

It's going to be voided contract, and he'll have little chance of winning back that money. If he does, expect another suit (which the Bell CA residents can't afford) to sue for restitution or similar grounds.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:30:22am

re: #309 lawhawk

It is possible that a source caught something that may not be picked up in other media outlets until much later. The veracity of the source has to be considered in whether to give it much weight.

I'd give the allegations limited credence unless other sources follow up and verify the allegations.

Here is an article reporting similar stories...

Protesters refuse to call police about sex assaults inside Occupy Wall St camp as snow makes life a misery

Demonstrators said they are dealing with the sexual assault of a woman internally after she was attacked by a man in her tent in the early hours of the morning.

It is the second alleged sexual assault at the camp, which organisers have warned is attracting prisoners straight out of Rikers, but have refused to call police.

The woman was in her tent at around 6am yesterday when the man burst into her tent and attacked her.

Fellow protesters surrounded the man and shone flashlights in his face before chasing him out of Zuccotti park where they are staying.

'We don't tell anyone, we handle it internally,' a protester told the New York Post, adding that another woman was raped weeks earlier.

She said that fellow protesters were 'yelling at him to leave,' shouting 'pervert, pervert, get the f**k out.'

Organisers have raised concerns that the camp is becoming a refuge for homeless people and is attracting convicts fresh out of Rikers prison.

'They're telling people who leave prison to go to Zuccotti park, ' Daniel Zetah, leader of the Occupy Wall Street community-relations group told the newspaper.

The newly-released criminals are thought be attracted by the free accommodation and food, and reported alcohol and drug-fuelled parties taking place at the site.

'There's a lot of drugs, alcohol, assault [and] theft [by] the homeless groups coming in. We've had meetings all day to brainstorm what to do,' Mr Zetah said.

317 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:30:23am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hooo boy.

He hasn't been convicted, but he has been charged. In most cases, that's grounds for suspension without pay pending resolution of the case.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:31:04am

re: #315 lawhawk

From your keyboard to God's monitor.

319 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:32:18am

Now the Daily Fail. The same outfit that brought you the Climategate bullshit.

We're on a roll here this morning.

320 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:32:49am

re: #319 Gus 802

Now the Daily Fail. The same outfit that brought you the Climategate bullshit.

We're on a roll here this morning.

Next up, The Onion./

321 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:33:42am

re: #319 Gus 802

Now the Daily Fail. The same outfit that brought you the Climategate bullshit.

We're on a roll here this morning.

I guess everyone is making this shit up. Zuccotti park is actually full of rainbows & unicorns.

322 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:34:26am
323 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:35:02am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

I believe the protester are telling everyone not to report any crimes because they want to police themselves.

Oh. Why do you believe that?

324 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:35:42am

re: #316 NJDhockeyfan

There's enough people who are among the protesters who distrust the NYPD and any authority to make stuff up - like the claims about the NYPD sending people right from Rikers. That simply doesn't pass the smell test.

325 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:35:46am

re: #294 lawhawk

A NY Daily News editorialist made those types of claims yesterday- that the NYPD was encouraging homeless to go down to the park and raise a ruckus/mooch food/get warm/etc.

The NYPD vigorously denied those claims and notes that no one is stopping anyone from coming to the park.

Didn't claim that the NYPD was turning a blind eye to crime within the park though. And there have been instances where the NYPD has gone into the park to deal with criminal activity and some of the protesters haven't exactly been welcoming, even when they're doing their job and ridding the place of alleged criminals (such as those involved in assaults, threats, etc.)

The General Assembly also posted new rules/guidelines of conduct for those in the park, but it'll be interesting to see whether the protesters are able to enforce it in any meaningful way.

A place of Do-what-you-want often seems to rapidly shade over into Take-what-you-want.

326 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:37:40am

re: #294 lawhawk

I really doubt the cops are even herding the homeless that way. I think that word-of-mouth about the free food is enough to get them down there. And I also think they have a perfect right to that free food, too. I don't get some-- only some-- of the protesters objecting to the homeless, the most destitute and fucked-over population, getting fed.

After that snowstorm, I'm impressed anyone is still there.

327 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:37:45am

re: #319 Gus 802

Now the Daily Fail. The same outfit that brought you the Climategate bullshit.

We're on a roll here this morning.

Any anti-OWS source is a good source.
//

328 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:37:57am

re: #322 publicityStunted

Image: anti-ows-commenters.jpg

Something about OWS causes otherwise reasonable people to believe anything negative, no matter how dubious the source.

329 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:38:51am

re: #326 Obdicut

Agreed.

330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:39:30am

re: #305 thedopefishlives

Did you restart your Web browser after reinstalling Adobe?

Also, see if you can find the Adobe Reader application in the list to read it with. I don't know if Mac has this setting, but in Windows, you can tell it to remember to open that type of file with that program.

YOU ARE AWESOME,

thank you,

all is good.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:40:05am

re: #323 Obdicut

Oh. Why do you believe that?

'We don't tell anyone, we handle it internally,' a protester told the New York Post, adding that another woman was raped weeks earlier

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:41:11am

re: #313 lawhawk

Don't buy it. I understand that homeless folks have a grapevine and that they'll go where they can get free food and not worry about the NYPD accosting them. That could explain far more than the NYPD actively pushing homeless to go to Zuccotti Park or that criminals are rushing to Zuccotti once they're released because of the easy pickings (lots of tech stuff present).

Like the old HOBO sign language?

334 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:41:40am

re: #330 ggt

YOU ARE AWESOME,

thank you,

all is good.

*blush*

You're too kind, seriously. Anything I can do to help.

335 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:41:51am

Wow. The New York Post.

Keep trying.

336 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:44:19am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

'We don't tell anyone, we handle it internally,' a protester told the New York Post, adding that another woman was raped weeks earlier

So you believe something because one person told the New York Post that?

Zucotti Park had, when I was there, a very diverse bunch of people. Nobody could possibly speak for all of them. I think it's as silly to say anything blanket about them as it is to say about frat guys or suchlike.

337 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:45:28am

As long as their aren't "security personnel" at the entrance to the park preventing protestors from leaving -- I don't see how crime could persist and protestors would stay.

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:46:22am

re: #334 thedopefishlives

*blush*

You're too kind, seriously. Anything I can do to help.

hmmm . . . anything?

:)

339 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:47:50am

Remember, NYC is some vast undisciplined urban literal jungle to much of the world. Much like Chicago is full of gangsters with Tommy Guns . . . .

The meme will not go away. And propaganda machines will work it.

340 Lidane  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:48:28am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

New York Post = Rupert Murdoch

You might as well call OK! Magazine a valid source.

341 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:48:56am

re: #339 ggt

I was surprised, after arriving in New York, at how tame it is. Even most of Harlem, for me-- granted I'm a six foot tall dude-- is completely fine during the day, and only a little sketchy at night. Apparently it used to be a hell of a lot worse.

I'd feel safer leaving a 20 year old girl at Zuccotti park than I would a Fiji frat party, that's for sure.

342 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:49:15am

re: #338 ggt

hmmm . . . anything?

:)

Legal disclaimer: The term "anything" is used in a subjective sense and should not be taken to mean anything which Client could request from Contractor, including but not limited to acts which are prohibited by law and items listed in Addendum 14 attached to the end of this document.

343 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:50:22am

re: #340 Lidane

New York Post = Rupert Murdoch

You might as well call OK! Magazine a valid source.

Or Fux News.

344 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:50:37am

re: #341 Obdicut

I was surprised, after arriving in New York, at how tame it is. Even most of Harlem, for me-- granted I'm a six foot tall dude-- is completely fine during the day, and only a little sketchy at night. Apparently it used to be a hell of a lot worse.

I'd feel safer leaving a 20 year old girl at Zuccotti park than I would a Fiji frat party, that's for sure.

I think it's as silly to say anything blanket about them as it is to say about frat guys or suchlike.

Hmmmm

345 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:51:54am

Zucotti Park is not Central Park.

It's pretty open.

Unlike Central Park (which is probably what is in the imaginations of many non-New Yorkers).

346 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:52:31am

re: #342 thedopefishlives

Legal disclaimer: The term "anything" is used in a subjective sense and should not be taken to mean anything which Client could request from Contractor, including but not limited to acts which are prohibited by law and items listed in Addendum 14 attached to the end of this document.

I was thinking in terms of chocolate.

:)

347 Lidane  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:52:43am

re: #337 ggt

As long as their aren't "security personnel" at the entrance to the park preventing protestors from leaving -- I don't see how crime could persist and protestors would stay.

Because libruls and hippies will tolerate anything, even crime!

You know, like they always do in the wingnut fantasy world.

348 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:53:40am

re: #346 ggt

I was thinking in terms of chocolate.

:)

Yeah, sorry, that's on the reserved list. Only the Mrs. Fish and a select list of Mrs. Fish-approved relatives are allowed to receive chocolate.

349 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:53:45am

From the same "news" outfits and wingnut blogs that brought you:

• Climategate BS
• Planned Parenthood BS
• ACORN BS
• Shirley Sherrod BS
• Every other fake wingnut "news" story fit to print.

Nice standards there. Might as well go for the gusto and start using Pravda or Russia Today as a source.

350 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:53:50am

re: #347 Lidane

You know, like they always do in the wingnut fantasy world.

I know, someone might be smoking some of that wacky weed and you know how hyped-up people get when they do that.

cue -Reefer Madness.

/

351 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:54:02am

re: #348 thedopefishlives

Yeah, sorry, that's on the reserved list. Only the Mrs. Fish and a select list of Mrs. Fish-approved relatives are allowed to receive chocolate.

:(

352 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:54:10am

re: #344 rwdflynavy

Were you a Phi Gamma Delta?

353 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:54:33am

re: #352 Obdicut

Were you a Phi Gamma Delta?

No, My parents were married.
//

354 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:14am

re: #345 ggt

It's not just pretty open, there's no fencing (though there are now NYPD barriers limiting access midblock), but the sidewalks are completely accessible and this isn't a limited access park as in Central or Prospect Park, where you have designated entry points. Once you cross onto the block containing the park, you're free to go anywhere within the confines of the park, and I've availed myself of that opportunity on more than a few occasions to take photos of the situation there.

355 Lidane  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:21am

re: #349 Gus 802

Might as well go for the gusto and start using Pravda or Russia Today as a source.

And be like the rest of the drive-by media? No thank you!

Why do you hate America?

356 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:31am

re: #304 ggt

sounds a lot like the faux-horror reports we heard from NOLA. All those (non-white stereotypical) people cooped up in the stadium. Prime for scandal mongers.

The scandal-mongers in that case being the mainstream media and the damned mayor of the city, who repeated those reports as if true.

357 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:58:17am

re: #341 Obdicut

There are still sketchy areas, but gentrification has reduced those numbers to a few enclaves. Would I recommend walking through Central Park at night? Not really. But Zuccotti is far safer than most areas of the city precisely because of the NYPD presence there - at times it seems like they've got a precinct's worth of cops on station there (plus they've got their eye in the sky, community police units, etc.).

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:58:42am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

The scandal-mongers in that case being the mainstream media and the damned mayor of the city, who repeated those reports as if true.

Like Michelle Bachman repeating what some lady told her about her daughter being retarded after getting the Garasil vaccination?

Politicians shouldn't believe their handlers.

359 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:04am

re: #354 lawhawk

It's not just pretty open, there's no fencing (though there are now NYPD barriers limiting access midblock), but the sidewalks are completely accessible and this isn't a limited access park as in Central or Prospect Park, where you have designated entry points. Once you cross onto the block containing the park, you're free to go anywhere within the confines of the park, and I've availed myself of that opportunity on more than a few occasions to take photos of the situation there.

It really doesn't look, to me, like a Park at all. It's called Plaza in the Wiki, which is a better term if the pictures are accurate. More concrete than tree. Not very comfortable for sleeping bags, IMHO.

360 Honorary Consul General  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:22am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

The scandal-mongers in that case being the mainstream media and the damned mayor of the city, who repeated those reports as if true.

RETRACTION: The claim in the first sentence in my post was incorrect. I had been told this was happening, but these claims have turned out to be unsubstantiated. I therefore retract them -- but stand behind everything else I wrote without reservation.

It is reported that black hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive. Four days after the storm, thousands of blacks in New Orleans are dying like dogs. No-one has come to help them.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

361 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:03:30am

#275 is disappeared . . .

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:03:50am

wrenchwench, are you 2spokie2?

363 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:05:15am

re: #361 ggt

#275 is disappeared . . .

It's like it never existed.
/These are not the droids you're looking for

364 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:05:39am

re: #359 ggt

At one point, I believe that they did have more grass and less concrete, but a renovation of the park involved major reconstruction and putting in the current scheme. As you say, it's more of a plaza than park - the trees give a park like atmosphere in places, but it is mostly a granite/concrete space.

365 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:05:51am

re: #337 ggt

As long as their aren't "security personnel" at the entrance to the park preventing protestors from leaving -- I don't see how crime could persist and protestors would stay.

THIS. No New Yorker in their right mind would stay in the park if there were serious threats. New Yorkers aren't wired that way.

Sorry people, but it's beyond absurd to think that that Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly, and all 51 members of the New York City Council—5 of whom are Republican—would stand silently by while innocent people are being attacked in raped in Zucotti Park day after day.

For those of you not familiar with NYC there are undercover cops everywhere, including in Zucotti Park. I'll guartan-damn-tee you that. With all the terrorist threats floating around they can't afford not to be. If you don't believe me, next time you're in NYC try committing a crime and see if half a dozen cops don't immediately appear as if they magically sprouted up out of the sidewalk.

Get a grip folks. This is shit is getting real old, and you people are smarter than to believe some of this ridiculousness.

Rant over. //

366 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:10am

re: #361 ggt

#275 is disappeared . . .

As it should be.

367 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:38am

re: #349 Gus 802

I can completely believe the video is unfabricated, and the girl is sincere and truthful. The story she tells conflicts, however, with the New York Post and other stories; she's saying that the cops are ignoring the protesters requests to remove the assaulters, and that the protesters are doing the best they can to self-police in the absence of police action.

So you can't believe both things at once.

368 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:54am

re: #365 CuriousLurker

THIS. No New Yorker in their right mind would stay in the park if there were serious threats. New Yorkers aren't wired that way.

Sorry people, but it's beyond absurd to think that that Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly, and all 51 members of the New York City Council—5 of whom are Republican—would stand silently by while innocent people are being attacked in raped in Zucotti Park day after day.

For those of you not familiar with NYC there are undercover cops everywhere, including in Zucotti Park. I'll guartan-damn-tee you that. With all the terrorist threats floating around they can't afford not to be. If you don't believe me, next time you're in NYC try committing a crime and see if half a dozen cops don't immediately appear as if they magically sprouted up out of the sidewalk.

Get a grip folks. This is shit is getting real old, and you people are smarter than to believe some of this ridiculousness.

Rant over. //

Bravo CL.

369 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:07:16am

re: #367 Obdicut

I can completely believe the video is unfabricated, and the girl is sincere and truthful. The story she tells conflicts, however, with the New York Post and other stories; she's saying that the cops are ignoring the protesters requests to remove the assaulters, and that the protesters are doing the best they can to self-police in the absence of police action.

So you can't believe both things at once.

I'm not an agnostic.

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:08:35am

Walking Dead, Episode 2. I'm skeert.

371 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:09:20am

re: #365 CuriousLurker

Zucotti park is also very, very small. Assaulting a girl in a tent is believable, and him being chased off is also believable. But there's always cops within, like, fifty feet-- so if that actually happened, why wouldn't they have done something?

There is just not enough space in Zucotti Park to get away with any sort of violent shit without being spotted quickly.

372 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:09:24am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

It's like it never existed.
/These are not the droids you're looking for

Do not mention comment #17.

373 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:05am

re: #339 ggt

Remember, NYC is some vast undisciplined urban literal jungle to much of the world. Much like Chicago is full of gangsters with Tommy Guns . . .

The meme will not go away. And propaganda machines will work it.

New York is sophisticated and full of culture!

(But I am from Detroit)

374 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:33am

re: #373 Alouette

New York is sophisticated and full of culture!

And full of Papaya Dogs.

375 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:11:14am

re: #365 CuriousLurker

And bear in mind that Zuccotti Park is a block south from Ground Zero. It's within the Ring of Steel network that the NYPD is putting together for Lower Manhattan/Wall Street with sensors and police presence.

They've got a huge presence there. A cry for help would get cops running from the perimeter of the park within a minute (you can't go more than a few yards on the perimeter of the park without bumping in to a cop).

I don't think people have an impression of the size of the place. It's not big at all. We're talking about a park on block that is perhaps 100x 300 feet in size (33k sq ft.). It's tiny by park standards.

376 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:11:22am

re: #373 Alouette

New York is sophisticated and full of culture!

(But I am from Detroit)

Me too, I can believe the worst of human capabilities.

I also know that Detroit of 1970 is an anomaly, not the entire world.

377 BishopX  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:11:56am

Here is a good look at the drug issues in Zucotti park. I think that the right wing attack machine is riffing off of the "hippies are druggies" mean pretty incessantly. Any outrage story (or video) that mentions massive drug problems in passing loses some credibility in my eyes.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:12:12am

re: #185 Alouette

Does Maariv have an English website? I have not seen it.

The Israeli news sites I visit are YNet and Haaretz. Haaretz has a leftist bias but their straight news stories are generally accurate. YNet is more of a tabloid and they are ferociously biased against the religious population, both the "ultra-Orthodox" and the modern religious Zionist. Arutz Sheva is totally derpy and Jerusalem Post I stay away from because they have destroyed their website with popups, crap ads and hiding most stuff behind a paywall.

I think that JPost has drunk the tea to an extent I find unacceptable, also like Alouette said, the ads are a nuisance in the extreme.

Other than that, I agree with Alouette's analysis, except I would say that Arutz Sheva 'makes shit up', in addition to being derpy.

Maariv is considered respectable, AFAIK.

379 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:12:23am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

It's like it never existed.
/These are not the droids you're looking for

Oh. So Andrew Breitbart "Big Government" droids are worthy of contemplation.

Got it.

380 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:12:54am

re: #375 lawhawk

And bear in mind that Zuccotti Park is a block south from Ground Zero. It's within the Ring of Steel network that the NYPD is putting together for Lower Manhattan/Wall Street with sensors and police presence.

They've got a huge presence there. A cry for help would get cops running from the perimeter of the park within a minute (you can't go more than a few yards on the perimeter of the park without bumping in to a cop).

I don't think people have an impression of the size of the place. It's not big at all. We're talking about a park on block that is perhaps 100x 300 feet in size (33k sq ft.). It's tiny by park standards.

I know, that's why I posted the google earth maps. It looks like any "Plaza" that can be seen in any big city --a few trees, concrete benches, maybe a fountain or artistic statue. The place you go for a smoke break or to eat your lunch on nice days.

Not a place you take the kids to play or to have a picnic.

381 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:13:25am

re: #377 BishopX

Here is a good look at the drug issues in Zucotti park. I think that the right wing attack machine is riffing off of the "hippies are druggies" mean pretty incessantly. Any outrage story (or video) that mentions massive drug problems in passing loses some credibility in my eyes.

Well, the massive drug-taking causes the rapes, beatings and murders, you see.

Not enough / in my computer.

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:13:59am

re: #380 ggt

Can you still smoke in NYC?

383 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:14:06am

re: #362 Sergey Romanov

wrenchwench, are you 2spokie2?

Shhh..

yep

384 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:14:39am

re: #377 BishopX

Here is a good look at the drug issues in Zucotti park. I think that the right wing attack machine is riffing off of the "hippies are druggies" mean pretty incessantly. Any outrage story (or video) that mentions massive drug problems in passing loses some credibility in my eyes.

OMG, someone had a hangover?

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:14:41am

re: #188 Alouette

My son has encountered a few anti-Semites. He regards it as a challenge to confront them. For example, he was walking along a main street in Moscow (I forget which Ring it was) and some skinhead yelled out Zhid! He went over to the guy (of course with his bodyguard Vitaly) and started a conversation. Then the guy said he didn't really hate Jews but he hated Americans. And my son said "and yet here you are, eating at a McDonald's and wearing Gap clothes."

Famous story (among some) that at one point Condi Rice was in Russia (many years ago), with some colleagues. They were speaking English among themselves, and a man pointed them out to his son and said, in Russian, 'look at the Americans! Now, at home, they would not be allowed to be friendly like this, black and white together,', whereupon Condi turned and said in good Russian, "Sir, that's not true, please don't give your son that impression."

386 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:15:15am

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you still smoke in NYC?

tobacco????

387 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:15:35am

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Technically, you're not allowed to smoke in parks as of this past May.

388 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:16:25am

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL.

389 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:18:49am

re: #371 Obdicut

Zucotti park is also very, very small. Assaulting a girl in a tent is believable, and him being chased off is also believable. But there's always cops within, like, fifty feet-- so if that actually happened, why wouldn't they have done something?

There is just not enough space in Zucotti Park to get away with any sort of violent shit without being spotted quickly.

I can believe there are rapes & assaults in NYC parks. Sadly, it's a fairly common occurrence. What I can't believe is that the people in charge of running NYC—who happen to be experts at dealing with crowds, protests, etc.—wouldn't be 200% aware of the possible dangers of citizens staying in the park overnight. I also can't believe that they'd would let serious crimes go on for weeks on end. Or that all these things are happening, yet somehow the mainstream media is ignoring the stories. It defies credulity.

Plus, I'm sick of lurking, and the bullshit sniping over the past couple of weeks is really getting on my last fucking nerve. It's like all of a sudden we're in junior high school and no one can have a rational adult conversation about this. WTF, Lizards? ENOUGH ALREADY.

390 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:20:24am

re: #375 lawhawk

And bear in mind that Zuccotti Park is a block south from Ground Zero. It's within the Ring of Steel network that the NYPD is putting together for Lower Manhattan/Wall Street with sensors and police presence.

They've got a huge presence there. A cry for help would get cops running from the perimeter of the park within a minute (you can't go more than a few yards on the perimeter of the park without bumping in to a cop).

I don't think people have an impression of the size of the place. It's not big at all. We're talking about a park on block that is perhaps 100x 300 feet in size (33k sq ft.). It's tiny by park standards.

Exactly.

391 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:21:45am

re: #389 CuriousLurker

I think it helps a lot to have actually been to Zucotti Park. It makes some of the scenarios-- like the cops refusing to come to the aid of the protesters or there being a lot of assaults-- very obviously impossible. I mean, unless you really think that the cops are purposefully trying to make the situation worse, which I don't for a minute.

392 darthstar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:22:33am

Okay...just saw the video of New Hampshire where Perry's sloshing about the stage...fucker's as drunk as George Bush was at his daughters' baptism.

I like alcohol abusing politicians...they're fun...when they're not in power.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:23:38am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

This should be interesting to watch tomorrow...

Occupy Oakland plans to shut down city Wednesday

You mean, as the city of Oakland mostly doesn't repond to calls for a general strike?

394 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:24:04am

re: #392 darthstar

Okay...just saw the video of New Hampshire where Perry's sloshing about the stage...fucker's as drunk as George Bush was at his daughters' baptism.

I like alcohol abusing politicians...they're fun...when they're not in power.

George II was clean and sober. I liked that about him.

Probably made it more difficult to work deals with Congress Critters.

395 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:25:18am

re: #391 Obdicut

I think it helps a lot to have actually been to Zucotti Park. It makes some of the scenarios-- like the cops refusing to come to the aid of the protesters or there being a lot of assaults-- very obviously impossible. I mean, unless you really think that the cops are purposefully trying to make the situation worse, which I don't for a minute.

Exactly. It is tiny. I've been there before, though not since OWS started. All these rumors are just....*headdesk*

Anyway, I'm going to step away for a while and try to cool off a bit. Need to go to the store anyway. BBL

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:26:22am

I'm stepping away as well.

I need to accomplish something.

Have a great one all!

397 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:27:56am

re: #392 darthstar

Okay...just saw the video of New Hampshire where Perry's sloshing about the stage...fucker's as drunk as George Bush was at his daughters' baptism.

I like alcohol abusing politicians...they're fun...when they're not in power.

Rachel is right about the damage this will do - he's had a very carefully crafted image in place, that of a somber, stoic politician.

That video pretty much trashes the image. Very un-presidential. It was a performance more fitting for a comedy club.

398 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:28:40am

re: #397 makeitstop

Maybe he's trying to compete with Cain's jokester personality.

I'd put money on Cain to win that one, though.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:30:22am

re: #392 darthstar

Funny. Most folks are very forgiving, and are even proud of folks who have overcome addictions.

Some want to accept that even felons/rapists/murderers can be rehabilitated.

But, George Bush's admitted substance problems are met with derision forever.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:30:39am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

I believe the protester are telling everyone not to report any crimes because they want to police themselves.

I doubt it's universal, but I imagine there's an aspect of that. Some people get very excited about the idea of home-made organic justice, without thinking the logistics and ethics through very well.

There was a report out of the Oakland group that they'd beat up some guy who'd attacked another protestor, and tossed him out of camp.

401 Flounder  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:34:26am

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm an alcoholic, not proud of it. I wouldn't want a scarlett A painted on my chest, and I wouldn't wish this disease on anyone else in the world.

402 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:35:42am

Good grief. So now the anti-OWS smears come directly from Lee Stranahan to get posted at LGF?

Hey, I heard Stranahan really exposed that Little Green Snotballs guy (Chucky, I think his name is) too -- why don't you post those articles?

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:36:01am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

I guess everyone is making this shit up. Zuccotti park is actually full of rainbows & unicorns.

The issue is that we know that the Mail and the Post and such will leap on any similar story they can find, and not fact check too closely. They know what they want the story to be.

404 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:37:30am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

It's like it never existed.
/These are not the droids you're looking for

I'm not going to allow Lee Stranahan's bullshit propaganda to be circulated on my site.

405 darthstar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:37:56am

re: #394 ggt

George II was clean and sober. I liked that about him.

That's debatable. I think his excessive fortressing in Crawford was a way to hide his binges.

406 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:38:07am

re: #326 Obdicut

I really doubt the cops are even herding the homeless that way. I think that word-of-mouth about the free food is enough to get them down there. And I also think they have a perfect right to that free food, too. I don't get some-- only some-- of the protesters objecting to the homeless, the most destitute and fucked-over population, getting fed.

After that snowstorm, I'm impressed anyone is still there.

The local groups have bragged of feeding the homeless. Agreed, I don't get the people who act as though they're not supposed to be there. If you're going to say that your economic situation is dire enough that you need to be camping on the street to make your point, understand that there are people whose economic situation is so dire that they can't get off the street.

407 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:38:13am

The woman in the forbidden video claims to be a member of the "community affairs committee" for OWS. I don't think what she has to say about security in the park should be completely dismissed. I don't buy her conspiracy theory that cops are fomenting crime as an excuse to clear the park but she probably has a decent idea of the overall situation. it's also telling that she says that she wouldn't encourage her own daughter to sleep in the park. You can try to sweep this under the rug but it does seem there's something of a problem with the idea of camping in urban parks.

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:39:08am

re: #405 darthstar

You are basing that on?

409 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:40:06am

re: #375 lawhawk

I don't think people have an impression of the size of the place. It's not big at all. We're talking about a park on block that is perhaps 100x 300 feet in size (33k sq ft.). It's tiny by park standards.

Oh for cryin out load!!
That's smaller than our yard!!!!

410 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:40:51am

re: #402 Charles

Hey, I heard Stranahan really exposed that Little Green Snotballs guy (Chucky, I think his name is) too -- why don't you post those articles?

Gus posted those upthread somewhere.

411 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:41:48am

re: #407 Killgore Trout

Any videos that come from the Breitbart gang of smear artists are going to be deleted from LGF. You can call it "sweeping it under the rug" if you like -- I call it refusing to be part of a right wing smear job by liars.

412 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:42:05am

re: #410 Killgore Trout

Gus posted those upthread somewhere.

Give me a break. I was shedding light on Stranahan and used a cached link. Apples and oranges. I've done this countless of times in the past. Strawman.

413 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:42:15am

re: #402 Charles

Good grief. So now the anti-OWS smears come directly from Lee Stranahan to get posted at LGF?

Hey, I heard Stranahan really exposed that Little Green Snotballs guy (Chucky, I think his name is) too -- why don't you post those articles?

Sorry about that Charles. I checked his profile on YouTube and read "I'm Lee Stranahan. I'm a writer, photographer and independent filmmaker and I blog for The Huffington Post ."

I thought he was just a HuffPo member.

414 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:43:00am

re: #409 reloadingisnotahobby

I don't think people have an impression of the size of the place. It's not big at all. We're talking about a park on block that is perhaps 100x 300 feet in size (33k sq ft.). It's tiny by park standards.

Oh for cryin out load!!
That's smaller than our yard!!!

And somehow we're supposed to believe that the OWS protesters are keeping the NYPD out of the park while assorted mayhem occurs on a daily basis.

Some people will want to believe anything.

415 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:44:24am

re: #414 makeitstop
Smell test...fail!

416 sagehen  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:44:51am

re: #89 RogueOne

Steve Jobs's last words: 'Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I always figured mine would be "ohshit, ohshit, ohshit!!!"

Mine are likely to be "What does this button do?"

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:46:03am

re: #416 sagehen

"Here. Hold my beer."

418 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:46:40am

re: #416 sagehen

I'll probably go quietly in my sleep. The folks in the backseat? Screaming. /

419 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:48:04am

Look, I have my own problems with OWS. I've made that very clear, and I've also made it very clear that I don't support a lot of the groups that are involved.

But I find it extremely disappointing to see the garbage from Andrew Breitbart's websites and wingnut demagogues being posted here as some kind of unbiased truth about the movement.

There are plenty of real problems you can criticize without buying into the ridiculous bullshit coming out of the right wing.

420 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:48:08am

re: #416 sagehen
Mine...

..."is this speedometer accurate"
..."Hey that things load....."

421 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:49:53am

re: #420 reloadingisnotahobby

Famous last words I could possibly crib:

My god! It's full of stars!

422 BishopX  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:50:26am

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I give G.W. Bush shit for his substance abuse issues because he is a hypocrite about it. It's okay for daddy's little rich boy to struggle with cocaine and alcohol, overcome it and then expect everyone to forget about it. The same can't be said for the way his administration treated anyone else, from immigrants losing their green cards over drugs to students losing financial aid over drug convictions.

If he had taken a stand a said "what is right for me is right for you" he could have done something great. He didn't and he deserves scorn for that.

423 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:52:57am

re: #422 BishopX

I give G.W. Bush shit for his substance abuse issues because he is a hypocrite about it.

I don't remember that. What did he say?

424 BishopX  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:56:06am

re: #423 NJDhockeyfan

Read the rest of the post.

425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:58:20am

re: #422 BishopX

If I recall? Part of the reason why he was so anti drug.

426 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:00:26am

re: #424 BishopX

Read the rest of the post.

I did. I didn't see where you gave an example of GWB's hypocracy.

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:03:22am
428 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:03:57am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

I did. I didn't see where you gave an example of GWB's hypocracy.

I think BishopX is saying that GWB is personally responsible for all the "Zero Tolerance" policies of all the various federal, state, county, municipal, private and non-profit organizations that existed during his administration.

429 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:04:19am

Bleh, I need to do a better job getting myself to start dinging while moving through older comments, rather than just reading them.

re: #419 Charles

Look, I have my own problems with OWS. I've made that very clear, and I've also made it very clear that I don't support a lot of the groups that are involved.

But I find it extremely disappointing to see the garbage from Andrew Breitbart's websites and wingnut demagogues being posted here as some kind of unbiased truth about the movement.

There are plenty of real problems you can criticize without buying into the ridiculous bullshit coming out of the right wing.

Just so I'm clear, would linking some of their, uh, 'work' still be valid if accompanied by a proper critique and warning of the source, at least if done in moderation? I mean, I'm not the type to normally do it, since I tend to stay as far away from those things as possible, but there's always a first time for everything, I suppose.

430 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:06:28am

re: #407 Killgore Trout

So some of what she says should be dismissed-- the part that's critical about the cops-- but the part that's negative about OWS, that part we should put credibility into?

I can fully believe that dealing with skeezy guys at Zucotti Park is a challenge, because it's a bunch of people in one place, some of them young, some of them on the make. The girl in the video talks about ten or so incidents of 'at least groping', but also notes that any girl that feels unsafe can sleep in the women only part, and the efforts the 'security' people are making to eject and warn people about the assholes.

What more do you want them to actually do?

431 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:06:41am

re: #428 Alouette

I think BishopX is saying that GWB is personally responsible for all the "Zero Tolerance" policies of all the various federal, state, county, municipal, private and non-profit organizations that existed during his administration.

Did drug policy really change under him at all? It's not an area I follow very closely, but from what I'm aware of it mostly just seemed like a continuation of the long running War on Drugs crap.

432 BishopX  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:07:13am

re: #428 Alouette

No, just the one he put in place at the federal level (while president) or the state level (while governor). I'll post a list in a bit.

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:08:37am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of "Oh wow!"

Oooh, that's a good one.

434 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:09:51am

re: #429 Simply Sarah

Just so I'm clear, would linking some of their, uh, 'work' still be valid if accompanied by a proper critique and warning of the source, at least if done in moderation? I mean, I'm not the type to normally do it, since I tend to stay as far away from those things as possible, but there's always a first time for everything, I suppose.

It's important to realize the difference between actual reporting and what the Breitbart crew does. The wingnuts go to OWS NOT to report on the facts, but to find things they can use to smear the movement. They have a very clear agenda, and it's utterly negative.

This is not journalism, and it's not reporting. It's a hit job. They go looking for the worst possible stuff, and they're not above provoking people and faking stories if they don't see anything bad enough.

They simply should not be trusted. What they're doing is not criticism, it's smearing. Obviously.

435 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:10:11am

Bad news...

Hillary Clinton's mother dies at 92

She made it to 92. May she RIP.

436 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:13:42am

re: #434 Charles

It's important to realize the difference between actual reporting and what the Breitbart crew does. The wingnuts go to OWS NOT to report on the facts, but to find things they can use to smear the movement. They have a very clear agenda, and it's utterly negative.

This is not journalism, and it's not reporting. It's a hit job. They go looking for the worst possible stuff, and they're not above provoking people and faking stories if they don't see anything bad enough.

They simply should not be trusted. What they're doing is not criticism, it's smearing. Obviously.

Oh, I'm very well aware. Sure, sometimes they get lucky with something, but that's very much the exception. I was mostly wondering because it's often important to see what lies those types are spinning, since that's the only way we can counter them if needed.

437 BishopX  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:24:56am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

I did. I didn't see where you gave an example of GWB's hypocracy.

The examples I gave were the Fafsa process (which bars students which drug convictions from receiving aid) and the secure communities program (which deports immigrants with drug convictions that wouldn't warrant prison time for a citizen). The fafsa eligibility thing isn't GWB's fault (it's a 1965 era law). But the secure communities program most defiantly is. In addition to those two, as governor he signed a law allowing people with drug conviction to be kicked off welfare, and allowed 14 year old kids to be tried as adults for drug offenses.

438 Semper Fi  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:32:49am

re: #411 Charles

Any videos that come from the Breitbart gang of smear artists are going to be deleted from LGF. You can call it "sweeping it under the rug" if you like -- I call it refusing to be part of a right wing smear job by liars.

Well said.

439 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:07:30am

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

Talking with Stephen Colbert.

Ugh, the comments on that page are barfy:

"OK…. I can see this movement is going somewhere… It won’t take long before they are full fledged subsidiaries of the unions and what remains of Acorn"

440 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:25:11am

re: #380 ggt

I know, that's why I posted the google earth maps. It looks like any "Plaza" that can be seen in any big city --a few trees, concrete benches, maybe a fountain or artistic statue. The place you go for a smoke break or to eat your lunch on nice days.

Not a place you take the kids to play or to have a picnic.

I TOOK MY WIFE AND KIDS TO CENTRAL PARK FOR A PICNIC ONCE!!! AAAAARRRRRGHHHH! - Frank Castle

441 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 2, 2011 2:41:26am

re: #82 CuriousLurker

I think I saw a page on that yesterday.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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