Herman Cain Suddenly Remembers More Details of Sexual Harassment Complaints

“They were so ridiculous, I don’t remember what they are”
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The squirming and revising of stories is becoming almost painful to watch: Herman Cain now recalls ‘couple of other’ items in accuser’s complaint.

Herman Cain once again revised his account of the sexual harassment allegations he battled in the 1990s, saying in a TV interview he recalled there were additional “ridiculous” items in his accuser’s complaint, beyond the single incident he detailed Monday.

Cain said in Monday television appearances that he could remember only one specific incident in his accuser’s complaint. He described that episode again to Headline News this morning, saying it involved “putting my hand under my chin, standing near this lady, saying, ‘Oh, you’re the same height as my wife.’”

But this time, Cain went on to say that there had been “a couple of other things” in the complaint filed during his time at the National Restaurant Association, though he claimed not to remember the specifics.

The complaint concerned “the gesture with the height thing and there were a couple of other things in there that I found absolutely ridiculous,” Cain said, as HLN’s Robin Meade cut in asking him what “ridiculous” things he was referring to.

“I don’t even remember. They were so ridiculous, I don’t remember what they are,” Cain said.

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280 comments
1 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:08:58am

If it got settled, and the women are enjoined against giving details, why the hell is he giving details?

2 garhighway  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:09:07am

It’s over. Romney wins.

Time of death of Cain candidacy: 1:10pm EST.

3 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:10:08am

This is becoming standard operating procedure in Cain’s campaign - say something outrageous or stupid, then keep revising the statement until the media just gives up on getting a straight answer. He’s issued 5 different positions (so far) on abortion and six different revisions of the sexual harassment story.

Even the centerpiece of his campaign - the ridiculous 9-9-9 plan - has been revised a number of times on the fly.

It’s obvious at this point that Cain has pretty much no experience with having people call him on his BS. All those years in the corporate world have got him believing that if he says something, that’s the end of it.

He really ran a successful business this way? I’m finding that increasingly difficult to believe.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:10:28am

re: #1 Obdicut

If it got settled, and the women are enjoined against giving details, why the hell is he giving details?

Because he realizes that if he says “It was settled, and I’m not permitted to discuss this,” no matter how innocent he may be, he’ll look guilty as heck.

5 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:11:26am

You would think that there would be a college course (or some kind of class) for politicians (and wannabe politicians) on how to deal with scandals.

This is PR 101.

You will be taught how to successfully manage and get ahead of potential scandals and skeletons in your closet.

Yet it seems that no one knows when and how to call in the PR guys (or take their advice) to quit while they’re behind. Get ahead of the story by putting out the details instead of dripping it out and giving a scandal legs by denying, denying, denying, and then starting to admit bits and pieces, which only encourages more info to come out later.

Had Cain come out and admitted that there was something, that it happened, that a payment was made but no admission of wrongdoing - that this was a business decision on cost-benefit, it might have stayed in the news for a day or two and that’s it. Now? It’s going to be on the news cycle for far longer - and other scandals will only add to the malaise.

6 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:11:37am

OK, yeah. There’s basically no doubt left in my mind that he harassed these women and probably others. I’ve seen this slow drip memory bullshit too many times to not see the writing on the wall.

If, somehow, there really isn’t some real substance behind all this, his campaign is doing their best to sure make it seem like there is.

7 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:12:02am

This is painful, to surrender all his dignity with no realistic chance of ever grasping power. Go teach kids how to start small businesses.

8 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:12:40am
But this time, Cain went on to say that there had been “a couple of other things” in the complaint filed during his time at the National Restaurant Association, though he claimed not to remember the specifics.

The complaint concerned “the gesture with the height thing and there were a couple of other things in there that I found absolutely ridiculous,” Cain said, as HLN’s Robin Meade cut in asking him what “ridiculous” things he was referring to.

“I don’t even remember. They were so ridiculous, I don’t remember what they are,” Cain said.

As a rule, corporate lawyers don’t give five-figure payouts to people making “ridiculous” accusations to keep them quiet.

9 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:12:59am

If Herman Cain had been upfront with this from the beginning or mentioned it a while back this would blow over fairly quickly. By switching stories many times within the past 24 hours doesn’t sit well with a lot of people. This is going to kill his chances.

10 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:15:25am

re: #1 Obdicut

If it got settled, and the women are enjoined against giving details, why the hell is he giving details?

He’s a businessman, not a lawyer! And he has forgotten all the legal advice he was given not to talk about it!

11 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:17:38am

The atmosphere of so many just desperately wanting this to blow up big with all the salacious details is palpable. If it turns out to be extremely minor or a bogus claim that garnered a few bucks the disappointment will be resounding. M S Media, many here, the GOP contenders. In some quarters it looks like starving dogs. Starving for ratings.

12 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:17:52am

re: #5 lawhawk

You would think that there would be a college course (or some kind of class) for politicians (and wannabe politicians) on how to deal with scandals.

This is PR 101.

You will be taught how to successfully manage and get ahead of potential scandals and skeletons in your closet.

Yet it seems that no one knows when and how to call in the PR guys (or take their advice) to quit while they’re behind. Get ahead of the story by putting out the details instead of dripping it out and giving a scandal legs by denying, denying, denying, and then starting to admit bits and pieces, which only encourages more info to come out later.

Had Cain come out and admitted that there was something, that it happened, that a payment was made but no admission of wrongdoing - that this was a business decision on cost-benefit, it might have stayed in the news for a day or two and that’s it. Now? It’s going to be on the news cycle for far longer - and other scandals will only add to the malaise.

I’ve got no proof to back it up, but I’m getting the feeling that Cain thinks he knows better than his staff, and has told them ‘I’ve got this.’

Either that, or he doesn’t have anyone with any PR experience, or the ones he does have are under directions to ‘speak only when spoken to.’

The guy’s obviously not lacking in the ego department, and that might be Problem #1 right there.

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:18:16am

Nein - 9 - 9 plan.

Nine denials, nine variations (flip-flops) on what actually happened - wait 9 days for the media to move onto the next issue.

14 garhighway  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:19:06am

I spent some time yesterday on the Real Clear Politics site (which is an interesting place, to say the least) and the 90% posters on the Cain news had this to say:

“Liberal media! Clinton was worse! We love Cain! Politico is a bunch of commies!”

Not one of them could focus on what a mess Cain had made of this situation. Not one.

15 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:19:38am

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

The atmosphere of so many just desperately wanting this to blow up big with all the salacious details is palpable. If it turns out to be extremely minor or a bogus claim that garnered a few bucks the disappointment will be resounding. M S Media, many here, the GOP contenders. In some quarters it looks like starving dogs. Starving for ratings.

This is only a distraction within the bigger distraction that is the Cain campaign. He hasn’t lost his shot because he never had a shot.

16 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:20:32am

..Shyster and Quack Rule Book
Rule ..ah…#21
If you have no intention of listening to YOUR legal counsel…
DON”T HIRE A LAWYER!!!
This also goes for Doctors….
(Present company excluded)

17 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:20:45am

This feeding frenzy will only last until the next big scandal. Really shouldn’t be long now.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:20:56am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

This is only a distraction within the bigger distraction that is the Cain campaign. He hasn’t lost his shot because he never had a shot.

Cain *has* to have had a shot! Do you think any of them can admit that they are crying and screaming in support of a loser?
(*cough* Sarah Palin *cough*)

19 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:20:56am

Herman Cain has single-handedly managed to blow up this story upon himself. Had he been straight with the public from the beginning it would have had less of an impact. As it stands now this is no longer a question of what occurred regarding the sexual harassment complaints at the NRA but one of truthfulness and he is coming off as a very dishonest man. Cain’s candidacy is done and he is finished.

20 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:21:29am

re: #12 makeitstop

He could be falling into the same trap as Weiner did - thinking he knows better than anyone else how to contain the mess, and ignoring the need for a PR guy to do the cleanup/walkback/containment.

Bad judgment compounding bad judgment.

And that’s if nothing actually happened and the payments were nuisance amounts.

Somehow, I think that the actions went beyond comparing heights of the woman to his wife and may have reflected on how shapely the woman may have been.

21 thatthatisis  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:22:47am

In my experience, no man who has committed sexual harassment ever realizes he did, or understands why it was a problem. “I was just being nice” or “all I did was comment on how good she looked”, or - my all time favorite - “”She can’t take a joke”.

22 JAFO  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:22:58am

This is still the real scandal that should knock him out.

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:23:31am

re: #20 lawhawk

He could be falling into the same trap as Weiner did - thinking he knows better than anyone else how to contain the mess, and ignoring the need for a PR guy to do the cleanup/walkback/containment.

Bad judgment compounding bad judgment.

And that’s if nothing actually happened and the payments were nuisance amounts.

Somehow, I think that the actions went beyond comparing heights of the woman to his wife and may have reflected on how shapely the woman may have been.

“You’re just as tall as my wife. But with bigger tits. Wait, what?”
///

24 garhighway  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:23:44am

re: #8 RadicalModerate

As a rule, corporate lawyers don’t give five-figure payouts to people making “ridiculous” accusations to keep them quiet.

No, but they do to settle such matters to end the process costs. which is why this was such a self-inflicted wound for Cain. All he had to say was: “At the NRA, as at all other large organizations, they had employment-related matters from time to time, and their policy was to settle them in the manner most advantageous to the enterprise. Such settlements reflect only the organization’s desire to terminate the matter and nothing about the merits. And pursuant to the terms of the deal, both the candidate and the NRA are prohibited from commenting further.”

Such a statement would have been simple and true.

25 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:24:01am

Still no power in most of Connecticut, but at least there is generator power at work.

I said a few weeks ago that Cain had around 2:30 remaining in his “15 minutes of fame.” That number is down to 11 seconds.

26 dragonfire1981  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:24:14am

He can’t back pedal any faster because he’s run out of tires.

27 dragonfire1981  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:24:52am

re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar

“You’re just as tall as my wife. But with bigger tits. Wait, what?”
///

Does this Presidential Campaign make my dick look big?

28 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:24:59am

re: #5 lawhawk

You would think that there would be a college course (or some kind of class) for politicians (and wannabe politicians) on how to deal with scandals.

This is PR 101.

You will be taught how to successfully manage and get ahead of potential scandals and skeletons in your closet.

Yet it seems that no one knows when and how to call in the PR guys (or take their advice) to quit while they’re behind. Get ahead of the story by putting out the details instead of dripping it out and giving a scandal legs by denying, denying, denying, and then starting to admit bits and pieces, which only encourages more info to come out later.

Had Cain come out and admitted that there was something, that it happened, that a payment was made but no admission of wrongdoing - that this was a business decision on cost-benefit, it might have stayed in the news for a day or two and that’s it. Now? It’s going to be on the news cycle for far longer - and other scandals will only add to the malaise.

Now, I think there’s also a lot of ego and privilege and other nonsense that factors in to the choice, but I think part of the reasoning, valid or not, of people in these situation is that if they just DENY DENY DENY, there’s a chance it will all just go away. And sometimes, it does. Just that when it doesn’t, it tends to be made much worse.

29 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:25:07am

re: #12 makeitstop

I’ve got no proof to back it up, but I’m getting the feeling that Cain thinks he knows better than his staff, and has told them ‘I’ve got this.’

Either that, or he doesn’t have anyone with any PR experience, or the ones he does have are under directions to ‘speak only when spoken to.’

The guy’s obviously not lacking in the ego department, and that might be Problem #1 right there.

THis is his campaign manager, from the article Charles posted yesterday:

For decades, Block worked behind the scenes for several conservative candidates and causes in Wisconsin. He is best known in the state for his role as campaign manager for former state Supreme Court Justice Jon Wilcox in 1997. Accused of election law violations, Block settled the case by agreeing to pay a $15,000 fine and to stay out of Wisconsin politics for three years.

He wouldn’t know good advice if it bit him near the cigarette area.

30 darthstar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:25:42am

Who knew tellling your secretary to go “Faster! Faster!” was sexual harassment?
///

31 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:25:52am

re: #12 makeitstop

I‘ve got no proof to back it up, but I’m getting the feeling that Cain thinks he knows better than his staff, and has told them ‘I’ve got this.’

I see what you did there.

32 Kronocide  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:26:03am

If I had a sexual harassment complaint against me I’d remember much of the details quite vividly. He’s so full of shit that anybody who covers for this is seriously deranged.

I think this is a much more serious issue than his campaign finance issues.

33 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:26:07am

re: #22 mracb

This is still the real scandal that should knock him out.

Maybe. But the FEC moves very slowly.

34 darthstar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:26:32am

re: #22 mracb

This is still the real scandal that should knock him out.

Nobody cares about campaign tax laws if it’s a Republican…and why are you hating on a black conservative anway?
/

35 mikec6666  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:26:49am

He’ll eventually say that the women were extorting the restaurant association for money, after which they will come out, with Gloria Allred representing them. The whole fu@#ing mess will turn into a tabloid goat screw. He’ll go up in the polls, and Romney will be toast. Liberals will get blamed and Politico will end up moving their coverage farther to the right in order to mollify their critics.

Left out of the whole incident will be any discussion of any of his positions which are by any reasonable standard, crazy bad.

36 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:27:27am

re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar

“You’re just as tall as my wife. But with bigger tits. Wait, what?”
///

What’s terrible is that I think there are many people that would see nothing wrong with that statement.

37 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:28:29am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Because he realizes that if he says “It was settled, and I’m not permitted to discuss this,” no matter how innocent he may be, he’ll look guilty as heck.

But he looks even worse in this eking out teasing details, claiming he can’t remember it at all and then recalling a few insignificant facts. And the fact that his version of events differs from the HR person’s ain’t a good thing, either.

38 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:28:53am

re: #22 mracb

This is still the real scandal that should knock him out.

That’s a bigger scandal than this one.

39 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:29:12am

re: #24 garhighway

No, but they do to settle such matters to end the process costs. which is why this was such a self-inflicted wound for Cain. All he had to say was: “At the NRA, as at all other large organizations, they had employment-related matters from time to time, and their policy was to settle them in the manner most advantageous to the enterprise. Such settlements reflect only the organization’s desire to terminate the matter and nothing about the merits. And pursuant to the terms of the deal, both the candidate and the NRA are prohibited from commenting further.”

Such a statement would have been simple and true.

Too many words. Can’t fit in a tweet or a sound bite.

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:29:49am

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

41 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:30:13am

re: #40 Charles

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

Family values.

42 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:30:32am

re: #21 thatthatisis

In my experience, no man who has committed sexual harassment ever realizes he did, or understands why it was a problem. “I was just being nice” or “all I did was comment on how good she looked”, or - my all time favorite - “”She can’t take a joke”.

Oh, they know FULL well what they are doing. The more sneaky and disgusting among them, though, know JUST how to do it in a way that they can plausibly say “I was just being nice”, or “it was an accidental touch”, or whatever.

43 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:30:49am

re: #40 Charles

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

If I thought he could be the TPGOP candidate, I’d send him some myself.

44 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:32:02am

re: #40 Charles

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

Sexism trumps racism in the wingnut modality?

45 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:32:15am

The plot thickens.

Cain’s Wife to Make Television Appearance
By JIM RUTENBERG

As Herman Cain continues to face intense questioning about sex harassment allegations, some have wondered whether his wife, Gloria, will come forward to make a statement of support…blockquote>

46 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:32:17am

re: #40 Charles

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

Much to my dismay, if I was to say I was surprised, I’d be lying.

47 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:32:47am

re: #40 Charles

More money to pay the legal team he won’t listen to….
Good investment….//

48 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:32:59am

re: #40 Charles

Scandal as fundraising opportunity.

Figures.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:33:11am

re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar

“You’re just as tall as my wife. But with bigger tits. Wait, what?”
///

I’ve actually had a couple of weird experiences with men who seem to feel that discussing how much they love their wife or girlfriend’s body, or personality, or actions, to you isn’t sexually aggressive, because they’re talking about another woman, who they are legitimately allowed to ogle. It doesn’t even need to get graphic, it’s just the tone and the body language. And the “I came in here to give you this box of reports, why do I need to know about the length of your girlfriend’s hair exactly? Am I picking her up at the airport?

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:33:23am

OT- Hillary’s mom died.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

51 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:33:47am

re: #44 wrenchwench

Sexism trumps racism in the wingnut modality?

Sshhh. The donors were all Dems.

52 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:33:51am

re: #45 Gus 802

Ah geez. Don’t bring the wife into it.

I’m still fully capable of believing Cain did nothing wrong— in this. The campaign finance stuff looks to be a dead cert that he did a lot of shit very wrong.

But hauling out your wife? What good is that? Was she involved, did she provide legal advice? If not, how on earth could she shed any light on this?

53 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:34:03am

re: #40 Charles

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

if ($person == “fool”) {
    $fromMoney = “Soon parted”;
}

54 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:34:25am

re: #42 reine.de.tout

Oh, they know FULL well what they are doing. The more sneaky and disgusting among them, though, know JUST how to do it in a way that they can plausibly say “I was just being nice”, or “it was an accidental touch”, or whatever.

All helped along by a culture that, quite bluntly, often sees no issue with treating women (Or men or anyone else) as sex objects or simply having overly sensitive feelings towards degrading comments.

55 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:34:32am

re: #52 Obdicut

Ah geez. Don’t bring the wife into it.

I’m still fully capable of believing Cain did nothing wrong— in this. The campaign finance stuff looks to be a dead cert that he did a lot of shit very wrong.

But hauling out your wife? What good is that? Was she involved, did she provide legal advice? If not, how on earth could she shed any light on this?

“Character witness.”

56 Kragar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:34:47am

John Stewart stands up for Herman Cain

“In Herman Cain’s defense,” Stewart said Monday, “there is very little in the pizza world that is not sexually suggestive. “Hey, you want sausage on your pie? Hey, want me to stuff your crust? I guarantee I will come in 30 minutes or less.”

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:34:50am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Sshhh. The donors were all Dems.

Can’t believe that. Not when it looks like he could sink himself without help.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:35:24am

re: #45 Gus 802

The plot thickens.

Cain’s Wife to Make Television Appearance
By JIM RUTENBERG

Oh God, leave Mrs. Cain out of this. What can she possibly say? “I love my husband.” Yes, that’s great.

This is not her problem, and her input on it isn’t relevent. Why don’t we let her stay home?

59 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:36:37am

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh God, leave Mrs. Cain out of this. What can she possibly say? “I love my husband.” Yes, that’s great.

This is not her problem, and her input on it isn’t relevent. Why don’t we let her stay home?

“I’ve never heard or seen him make a sexual suggestive remark or action in front of anyone! Anyone.”

60 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:36:44am

re: #55 Gus 802

“Character witness.”

Cardinal Richelieu???

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:37:51am

re: #52 Obdicut

Ah geez. Don’t bring the wife into it.

I’m still fully capable of believing Cain did nothing wrong— in this. The campaign finance stuff looks to be a dead cert that he did a lot of shit very wrong.

But hauling out your wife? What good is that? Was she involved, did she provide legal advice? If not, how on earth could she shed any light on this?

Doing the wife-of walk.

62 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:38:25am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Doing the wife-of walk.

Cain has to prove she comes up to his chin.

63 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:39:14am

re: #62 wrenchwench

Cain has to prove she comes up to his chin.

If the chin don’t fit, you must acquit!

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:39:47am

re: #59 Simply Sarah

“I’ve never heard or seen him make a sexual suggestive remark or action in front of anyone! Anyone.”

I just find it odd that when you’re applying for a job, you can’t use your spouse for a character reference, but when you’re accused of sexual misbehavior, it’s perfectly normal to drag them out and make them talk about how nice you are.

65 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:39:59am

Dragging him by his ear lobe and smacking him upside the head would be to much to hope for??
/

66 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:40:01am

You know, all this talk about how Herman Cain is a pig is keeping us away from the real story: How hot is Robin Meade?
/

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:40:04am

Cain/Perry 20112

“Straight—Shooter”

68 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:40:27am

re: #54 Simply Sarah

All helped along by a culture that, quite bluntly, often sees no issue with treating women (Or men or anyone else) as sex objects or simply having overly sensitive feelings towards degrading comments.

I would suspect that almost every woman here has been the victim of some sort of discomfort caused by harassment of this sort, at one time or another.

It has nothing to do with desire; and everything to do with power. It’s like a mild version of rape. It’s disgusting.

69 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:40:47am

What a spastic mess. Keep in mind too that this guy is applying to be the Commander in Chief. Now picture this clown having to command a national or international emergency.

70 erik_t  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:41:04am

To be a liar* is bad enough, but to be such an incompetent one?

(* I assume we’re all unable or unwilling to accept the idea that Cain’s memory is so profoundly fickle)

71 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:41:12am

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I just find it odd that when you’re applying for a job, you can’t use your spouse for a character reference, but when you’re accused of sexual misbehavior, it’s perfectly normal to drag them out and make them talk about how nice you are.

There’s not much logic to it, really. I suppose the difference is that you can get away with it in the latter case, but not the former.

72 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:41:15am

Paraphrasing what Lidane wrote last thread, the RNC is down to four choices, all of them nightmares.

Cain’s raising money hand over fist from the “anybody but Romney” wingnuts, who appear to be the majority of the party. Romney’s got the (current) plurality and old guard money but is despised by the majority.

So:
1) See Cain win and watch Obama stomp him (probably large enough to have large coat tails down ballot);
2) See Romney win and hope enough wingnuts will hold their noses and vote anyway instead of staying home OR supporting a third-party challenger;
3) Enjoy a working instead of celebratory convention.

Since I dislike all the Republican candidates I’ve got to admit I’m enjoying this - barring the small frisson of fear that one of them might actually win.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:41:18am

re: #65 reloadingisnotahobby

Dragging him by his ear lobe and smacking him upside the head would be to much to hope for??
/

There’s a scene in a Sue Grafton novel where an English politician’s wife facing a scandal scalds her husband with a hot shower, while screaming at him that if this hits the tabloids, she’s filing for divorce. “I will not do a Mary Archer!!”

74 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:42:09am

re: #68 reine.de.tout

When I worked at EA in the QA department, I was goddamn horrified by the toleration of sexual harassment. I overheard one tester talking about this girl he’d had sex with, in graphic detail— I went over to cut it out and realized he was talking about another employee. What a fucker.

And the anti-gay shit; for being close to San Francisco, there was so much homophobia, so much “Faggot” and “Don’t be gay”. I should have sued, but I was never the target myself, and didn’t really realize I still could have effected change by doing so.

75 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:42:28am

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

Using my wife that way would be akin to bringing my Parole Officer to an interview…

76 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:43:13am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Doing the wife-of walk.

No matter what else I may think of her or her politics, I will always respect Jenny Sanford for refusing to go that route.

78 leftynyc  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:44:42am

re: #40 Charles

In response to the news that Herman Cain may be a sexual harasser, wingnuts opened their wallets and gave big to his campaign: Herman Cain Raised $250,000 Online After Harassment Report Broke, Campaign Says.

Fools and their money……

79 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:44:53am

re: #68 reine.de.tout

I would suspect that almost every woman here has been the victim of some sort of discomfort caused by harassment of this sort, at one time or another.

It has nothing to do with desire; and everything to do with power. It’s like a mild version of rape. It’s disgusting.

Yep! Both directed at them and as a third party. Some of the stuff I overheard from fellow CS majors who didn’t realize a woman was around made me question my field of study at times. Or, at least, college aged men.

In my work I’ve largely been lucky to have not run into it much, but outside of work, even with nominal friends, I’ve gotten plenty directed at me or women in general.

80 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:45:20am

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ann Coulter: ‘Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks’

So in Coulter’s world that would probably be “perfected blacks.”

81 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:45:53am

Occupy Judaism: Putting the “OWS is anti-Semitic” meme to rest

[Link: blog.occupyjudaism.org…]

82 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:47:34am

re: #79 Simply Sarah

Yep! Both directed at them and as a third party. Some of the stuff I overheard from fellow CS majors who didn’t realize a woman was around made me question my field of study at times. Or, at least, college aged men.

In my work I’ve largely been lucky to have not run into it much, but outside of work, even with nominal friends, I’ve gotten plenty directed at me or women in general.

I get some of it in reverse at work (for various reasons higher education employs a lot of women, and no they’re not all faculty wives).

Easier to laugh it off as a guy, though, because you don’t have the underlying pervasive culture of discrimination working against you.

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:47:44am

re: #79 Simply Sarah

Yep! Both directed at them and as a third party. Some of the stuff I overheard from fellow CS majors who didn’t realize a woman was around made me question my field of study at times. Or, at least, college aged men.

In my work I’ve largely been lucky to have not run into it much, but outside of work, even with nominal friends, I’ve gotten plenty directed at me or women in general.

You (unfortunately) can drop the age and field of study requirements to that statement. Our culture seems to like the “macho” meme without realizing all the ignorant behaviors that appear to be directly connected to it. (Cue the “taking away your man card” jokes.)

84 leftynyc  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:48:13am

re: #57 wrenchwench

Can’t believe that. Not when it looks like he could sink himself without help.

If we can help along a scenario that takes this battle to the convention it’s well worth the money. I always said that if sarah had declared, I’d be the first to send her a check.

85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:48:36am

Well, to his credit, Herman Cain is a really lousy liar.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:48:41am

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ann Coulter: ‘Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks’

“Anything you can do, I can do better,
I can do tokenism better than you,”

“No you can’t,”

“Yes I can.”

87 iceweasel  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:49:07am

re: #21 thatthatisis

In my experience, no man who has committed sexual harassment ever realizes he did, or understands why it was a problem. “I was just being nice” or “all I did was comment on how good she looked”, or - my all time favorite - “”She can’t take a joke”.

They know what they’re doing.

88 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:49:17am

OT

Gear up emergency landing today in Warsaw. 230 passengers. All safe.

Image: 2006892.jpg

Polish Airlines / Polskie Linie Lotnicze
Boeing 767-35D/ER

SP-LPC (cn 28656/659) LOT16: Emeregency landing without landing gear. Great job pilots!

89 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:49:42am

re: #85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, to his credit, Herman Cain is a really lousy liar.

Endearing lack of practice.

90 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:49:50am

re: #82 iossarian

Yeah, I got technically ‘harassed’ at the children’s toy company I worked at, but it wasn’t a big deal because it didn’t, actually, make me uncomfortable. If I’d been prudish or from a conservative, sheltered background it might have. I had a talk with some coworkers about being a little lighter on the discussion of dildos and the comparative merits of men to them, but I don’t think it had any lasting impact.

The one thing that did annoy me was the Disney person who flat-out asserted that women are better at designing products for children than men are. That I cared about. Fuck that. I’m awesome at designing kid stuff.

91 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:50:05am

…Well….If you look like me….being the victim of sexual harrassment is …ah…moot!
/
LUNCH!!

92 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:51:10am

Image: worst_words_to_include_in_your_resume.png

[Link: ilovecharts.tumblr.com…]

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:51:48am

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ann Coulter: ‘Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks’

‘Very impressive blacks in our party’.

Reminds me of a PJ O’Rourke piece where he’s in South Africa, in the old days, and an old lady tells him at a party that she imagines integration works in American ‘because your blacks have white blood’.

94 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:52:29am

re: #83 oaktree

You (unfortunately) can drop the age and field of study requirements to that statement. Our culture seems to like the “macho” meme without realizing all the ignorant behaviors that appear to be directly connected to it. (Cue the “taking away your man card” jokes.)

I’ll be honest, some of the stuff I’ve heard out of guys when they think only men are around (Or seem to just not care) is rather terrifying and is extremely discouraging and sickening. Not to say non-guys are perfect, either, but I’ve not seen nearly the level of it from them.

Granted, this is just my personal experience, so it may not be representative. But, really, the culture for treatment and discussion of non-whites, non-able, non-well off, non-men, etc. is pretty awful.

95 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:52:45am
Cramming for midterms? Don’t bother, if you live in Miami. The Miami-Dade County school district, the fourth-largest in the country, has decided to make midterms and finals optional.

[Link: www.thedaily.com…]

96 iceweasel  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:54:10am

re: #94 Simply Sarah

I’ll be honest, some of the stuff I’ve heard out of guys when they think only men are around (Or seem to just not care) is rather terrifying and is extremely discouraging and sickening. Not to say non-guys are perfect, either, but I’ve not seen nearly the level of it from them.

Granted, this is just my personal experience, so it may not be representative. But, really, the culture for treatment and discussion of non-whites, non-able, non-well off, non-men, etc. is pretty awful.

does anyone here read manboobz?
[Link: manboobz.com…]
This guy tracks MRAs (men’s rights activists) at Reddit and similar places. Some pretty disgusting stuff.

97 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:54:24am

re: #90 Obdicut

Exactly - my reaction is always that I can afford to ignore the vaguely sexist remarks because they’re not part of a system holding me back. What’s particularly ironic about that is that my perception is that the female managers I come into contact with seem to judge other women more harshly than they judge me.

Evolutionary biology, how does that work eh?

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:54:43am

re: #81 000G

Occupy Judaism: Putting the “OWS is anti-Semitic” meme to rest

[Link: blog.occupyjudaism.org…]

I’d feel happier about this flood of assurances if they showed that they had some understanding of what’s behind people’s fears about this. Besides ‘right wingers are slurring the movement!’

99 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:55:39am

re: #94 Simply Sarah

I’ll be honest, some of the stuff I’ve heard out of guys when they think only men are around (Or seem to just not care) is rather terrifying and is extremely discouraging and sickening. Not to say non-guys are perfect, either, but I’ve not seen nearly the level of it from them.

Granted, this is just my personal experience, so it may not be representative. But, really, the culture for treatment and discussion of non-whites, non-able, non-well off, non-men, etc. is pretty awful.

I also realize I’m speaking to the choir, especially about experience since I realize I’m one of the younger commentators here (Which is a shift from some other places I’ve been) and fairly sheltered, so I’ve likely seen next to nothing compared to many of you due to lack of opportunity, if you can call it that.

100 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:56:19am

re: #90 Obdicut

Yeah, I got technically ‘harassed’ at the children’s toy company I worked at, but it wasn’t a big deal because it didn’t, actually, make me uncomfortable. If I’d been prudish or from a conservative, sheltered background it might have. I had a talk with some coworkers about being a little lighter on the discussion of dildos and the comparative merits of men to them, but I don’t think it had any lasting impact.

o_O

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:57:22am

re: #94 Simply Sarah

I’ll be honest, some of the stuff I’ve heard out of guys when they think only men are around (Or seem to just not care) is rather terrifying and is extremely discouraging and sickening. Not to say non-guys are perfect, either, but I’ve not seen nearly the level of it from them.

Granted, this is just my personal experience, so it may not be representative. But, really, the culture for treatment and discussion of non-whites, non-able, non-well off, non-men, etc. is pretty awful.

It’s funny. I recall an ex-Lizard, I think it was Buzzsaw, going on at some length here about how much gay men really hated women, and they only pretend to like us, and when you’re not in the room, they say horrible things about women, blah blah.

I had to comment that many straight men have not learned to wait until women leave the room, so the gay guys were ahead on points.

It was a weird conversation.

102 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:57:40am

re: #94 Simply Sarah

I’ll be honest, some of the stuff I’ve heard out of guys when they think only men are around (Or seem to just not care) is rather terrifying and is extremely discouraging and sickening. Not to say non-guys are perfect, either, but I’ve not seen nearly the level of it from them.

Granted, this is just my personal experience, so it may not be representative. But, really, the culture for treatment and discussion of non-whites, non-able, non-well off, non-men, etc. is pretty awful.

Bear with us as we try to undo several million years’ worth of adaptation to “kill or be killed”.

Seriously, though, I completely agree, the evil bastard quotient of men as a group is far higher than that of women.

103 iceweasel  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:58:32am

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s funny. I recall an ex-Lizard, I think it was Buzzsaw, going on at some length here about how much gay men really hated women, and they only pretend to like us, and when you’re not in the room, they say horrible things about women, blah blah.

I had to comment that many straight men have not learned to wait until women leave the room, so the gay guys were ahead on points.

It was a weird conversation.

Buzz had a lot of “issues” involving women.

104 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:58:48am

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s funny. I recall an ex-Lizard, I think it was Buzzsaw, going on at some length here about how much gay men really hated women, and they only pretend to like us, and when you’re not in the room, they say horrible things about women, blah blah.

I had to comment that many straight men have not learned to wait until women leave the room, so the gay guys were ahead on points.

It was a weird conversation.

He seemed to know a lot about gay men….

105 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:59:15am

re: #96 iceweasel

does anyone here read manboobz?
[Link: manboobz.com…]
This guy tracks MRAs (men’s rights activists) at Reddit and similar places. Some pretty disgusting stuff.

I do some, as well as other feminist and feminist-friendly sites.

Just seeing the acronym MRA starts my blood towards boiling.

106 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:59:33am

Ooh, there was a one-two punch.

107 iceweasel  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:00:22am

re: #105 Simply Sarah

I do some, as well as other feminist and feminist-friendly sites.

Just seeing the acronym MRA starts my blood towards boiling.

Ha— me too. I have to ration my outrage carefully.

108 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:00:22am

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

I’d feel happier about this flood of assurances if they showed that they had some understanding of what’s behind people’s fears about this. Besides ‘right wingers are slurring the movement!’

I agree.

109 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:00:55am

This angst is about a candidate who pulled a little better than 1:10 at his Intrade peak.

110 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:01:09am

Online hackers threaten to expose cartel’s secrets
Group called Anonymous demands release of one of their own who was kidnapped

An international group of online hackers is warning a Mexican drug cartel to release one of its members, kidnapped from a street protest, or it will publish the identities and addresses of the syndicate’s associates, from corrupt police to taxi drivers, as well as reveal the syndicates’ businesses.

The vow is a bizarre cyber twist to Mexico’s ongoing drug war, as a group that has no guns is squaring off against the Zetas, a cartel blamed for thousands of deaths as well as introducing beheadings and other frightening brutality.

“You made a huge mistake by taking one of us. Release him,” says a masked man in a video posted online on behalf of the group, Anonymous.

“We cannot defend ourselves with a weapon … but we can do this with their cars, homes, bars, brothels and everything else in their possession,” says the man, who is wearing a suit and tie.

“It won’t be difficult; we all know who they are and where they are located,” says the man, who underlines the group’s international ties by speaking Spanish with the accent of a Spaniard while using Mexican slang.

He also implies that the group will expose mainstream journalists who are somehow in cahoots with the Zetas by writing negative articles about the military, the country’s biggest fist in the drug war.

[Link: www.chron.com…]

111 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:01:11am

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

I’d feel happier about this flood of assurances if they showed that they had some understanding of what’s behind people’s fears about this. Besides ‘right wingers are slurring the movement!’

MJ Rosenberg does not speak for any Jews, probably not even for his own mother. He is just a pile of FAIL.

112 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:01:15am

re: #107 iceweasel

Ha— me too. I have to ration my outrage carefully.

These MRA guys always come out of the wood work during these cases. Anyone see Milty? //

113 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:01:28am

re: #100 publicityStunted

Oh, there weren’t kids around. Kids were only in one part of the building. And everyone involved was adults. It was just that kind of stupid stuff like “How is a vibrator better than a man” jokes. The female equivalent of “How beer is better than a woman”.

I think my favorite what the hell moment at that company was when, in a group meeting, everyone was told to say what profession they’d have liked to be in a bygone age. I said that I’d have liked to be a merchant on the Silk Road, experiencing the different cultures and having that fun sense of adventure. The next woman said she’d have loved to have been in Iceland in the 1400s, where women had more economic and political freedom. The next woman said:

“A french prostitute in the 17th century.”

Which is post-syphilis, but pre-penicillin, in addition to just being odd on other levels.

114 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:01:38am

re: #109 Decatur Deb

This angst is about a candidate who pulled a little better than 1:10 at his Intrade peak.

The Media Narrative Will Not Be Denied!

115 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:02:00am

re: #102 iossarian

Bear with us as we try to undo several million years’ worth of adaptation to “kill or be killed”.

Seriously, though, I completely agree, the evil bastard quotient of men as a group is far higher than that of women.

It’s not worth much just blaming guys, though. It’s the culture of patriarchy that pervades all parts of society. As long as that is the case, things won’t change. This needs to be beaten into the heads of everyone: Men, women, boys, girls, and anyone non-binary.

This is especially true since women and non-binary people can be just as much a part of the issue and system, even if it might hurt them the most.

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:03:10am

re: #113 Obdicut

Oh, there weren’t kids around. Kids were only in one part of the building. And everyone involved was adults. It was just that kind of stupid stuff like “How is a vibrator better than a man” jokes. The female equivalent of “How beer is better than a woman”.

I think my favorite what the hell moment at that company was when, in a group meeting, everyone was told to say what profession they’d have liked to be in a bygone age. I said that I’d have liked to be a merchant on the Silk Road, experiencing the different cultures and having that fun sense of adventure. The next woman said she’d have loved to have been in Iceland in the 1400s, where women had more economic and political freedom. The next woman said:

“A french prostitute in the 17th century.”

Which is post-syphilis, but pre-penicillin, in addition to just being odd on other levels.

Maybe she thought she would get to be Louis XIV’s second-favorite mistress, or something. In that case she should have said “Louis XIV’s second-favorite mistress.”

117 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:03:30am

“So what exactly were the complaints against you Mr. Cain?”

“I cannot recall.”

I find that hard to believe, after all you had to discuss this with lawyers and Insurance adjusters didn’t you?”

“What were we talking about?”

Your alleged sexual misconduct, Mr. Cain”

“Oh, I had forgotten that, but you see how bad my memory is? Hell I can’t even remember the details of my 9-9-9 plan at the debates, everyone saw that, so I have proof, right?

///

118 iceweasel  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:03:51am

re: #112 Gus 802

These MRA guys always come out of the wood work during these cases. Anyone see Milty? //

I should don the hazmat suit and venture into some of the MRA forums to see how they’re taking this. Not well, I imagine. There’s this piece of genius analysis:

Image: mrstinkycain.png

On which the guy at manboobz remarks:

I’m not sure what I like better, the loopy conspiracy theory or the idea that Ron Paul is a “serious candidate.”

heh.

119 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:04:56am

re: #118 iceweasel

I should don the hazmat suit and venture into some of the MRA forums to see how they’re taking this. Not well, I imagine. There’s this piece of genius analysis:

Image: mrstinkycain.png

On which the guy at manboobz remarks:

heh.

Herman Cain and Ron Paul. Dumb and dumber.

120 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:05:06am

re: #115 Simply Sarah

It’s not worth much just blaming guys, though. It’s the culture of patriarchy that pervades all parts of society. As long as that is the case, things won’t change. This needs to be beaten into the heads of everyone: Men, women, boys, girls, and anyone non-binary.

Thing is, guys do have more of a responsibility to change, because they are currently in a position of privilege relative to women. But I agree that that’s a tough argument to sell to those guys at the bottom of the capitalist food-chain, who are unlikely to buy the notion that they are a privileged group.

121 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:06:44am
“We are Wall Street” – Wall Street Strikes Back

Wall Street recently struck back by dropping leaflets on the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Here’s what the leaflets said:

“We are Wall Street. It’s our job to make money. Whether it’s a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn’t matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable. I didn’t hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone’s 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, it’s not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.

Well now the market crapped out, & even though it has come back some whatever, the government and the average Joes are still looking for a scapegoat. God knows there has to be one for everything. Well, here we are.

Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you’re only going to hurt yourselves. What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours. We get up at 4am and work till 10pm or later. We’re used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don’t take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don’t’ demand a union. We don’t retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we’ll eat that.

For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing landscaping? We’re going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime and double time and half. I’ll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team to $5k extra a summer, thank you very much. So now that we’re going to be making $8k a year without upside, Joe Main street is going to have his revenge right? Wrong! Guess what: we’re going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren’t going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We’re going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.

The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but its really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom. We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Main street our food supply…will he? And will they?”

[Link: thejobmouse.com…]

122 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:07:12am

re: #118 iceweasel

I should don the hazmat suit and venture into some of the MRA forums to see how they’re taking this. Not well, I imagine. There’s this piece of genius analysis:

Image: mrstinkycain.png

On which the guy at manboobz remarks:

heh.

No! I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone! It’s too dangerous! The misogyny is too strong!

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:07:41am

re: #104 wrenchwench

He seemed to know a lot about gay men…

It was just weird that he seemed to think that this sort of thing would—what? I’m going to believe that close personal friends, people I’ve known for years, despise me for my gender, and now I know because some stranger on the Internet told me so?

124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:07:48am

The Halloween bargaining began in earnest this morning.

“I’ll give you this Snickers for two Laffy Taffys.”

If children ruled the world, we wouldn’t be on the gold standard. We’d be on the Kit Kat standard.

125 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:08:23am
we petition the obama administration to:
Take petitions seriously.

If you are going to create a public petition system, then take the petitions seriously.

Dismissing the top petitions with canned responses invalidates the whole exercise.
Created: Oct 28, 2011
Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties, Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Government Reform

[Link: bit.ly…]

Heh.

126 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:09:16am

Report: $700M missing from Corzine firm

The brokerage firm run by former New Jersey governor and senator Jon S. Corzine is being investigated by federal regulators after the discovery that hundreds of millions of dollars in customer money has gone missing, according to reports.

Oops!

127 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:09:18am

re: #121 000G

[Link: thejobmouse.com…]

Looks like that text is from at least 2010.

128 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:09:20am

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

It was just weird that he seemed to think that this sort of thing would—what? I’m going to believe that close personal friends, people I’ve known for years, despise me for my gender, and now I know because some stranger on the Internet told me so?

Scatter-shot propaganda. Might influence somebody. If one has been around the block a few times, one is immune.

129 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:09:45am

re: #121 000G

What a confused narrative.

I welcome any banker who wants to become a teacher, though. I think they may find it works out a little different in reality than in their fantasy life.

130 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:09:53am

re: #120 iossarian

Thing is, guys do have more of a responsibility to change, because they are currently in a position of privilege relative to women. But I agree that that’s a tough argument to sell to those guys at the bottom of the capitalist food-chain, who are unlikely to buy the notion that they are a privileged group.

Well, as men they have male privilege, but they can also suffer from being on losing end of things like class and race privilege. They too are oppressed, whether they fully understand the nature of it or not.

131 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:09:58am

re: #127 Gus 802

[Link: thejobmouse.com…]

Looks like that text is from at least 2010.

Good find.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:10:27am

re: #113 Obdicut

Oh, there weren’t kids around. Kids were only in one part of the building. And everyone involved was adults. It was just that kind of stupid stuff like “How is a vibrator better than a man” jokes. The female equivalent of “How beer is better than a woman”.

I think my favorite what the hell moment at that company was when, in a group meeting, everyone was told to say what profession they’d have liked to be in a bygone age. I said that I’d have liked to be a merchant on the Silk Road, experiencing the different cultures and having that fun sense of adventure. The next woman said she’d have loved to have been in Iceland in the 1400s, where women had more economic and political freedom. The next woman said:

“A french prostitute in the 17th century.”

Which is post-syphilis, but pre-penicillin, in addition to just being odd on other levels.

Not to mention that the seventeenth century is probably the lowest point of personal hygiene in Europe.

133 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:11:06am

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

I know gay guys who are anti-women. They’re a small percentage of the total gay guys that I know.

I’m always amused by people who think gay people all act the same, too. I mean, the Abercrombie and Fitch zombies in the Castro may all look alike, but they do still have different opinions.

134 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:11:19am

re: #131 000G

Good find.

More coming up. I think. Give me a second.

135 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:12:04am

re: #110 000G

Online hackers threaten to expose cartel’s secrets
Group called Anonymous demands release of one of their own who was kidnapped

[Link: www.chron.com…]

They’ve already backed off.

UPDATE: Various members of Anonymous are now saying that “OpCartel,” as the mission is called, as been cancelled due to the extremely serious dangers that go with exposing a violent drug cartel. But according to @anonymousSabu, a prominent member of Anonymous, OpCartel is still “very much alive,” and will target both Los Zetas and the DEA, both of which the group says are corrupt.

And besides…

136 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:13:17am

re: #133 Obdicut

I know gay guys who are anti-women. They’re a small percentage of the total gay guys that I know.

I’m always amused by people who think gay people all act the same, too. I mean, the Abercrombie and Fitch zombies in the Castro may all look alike, but they do still have different opinions.

Well, it’s like the meme that all feminists hate men and are lesbians and everything. Sure, there’s a small subset of feminists that fit that description, but we come in all types and most of us aren’t that way. The first part, at least.

137 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:13:37am

re: #131 000G

Good find.

There was this comment:

This was the original article that was posted on Sept 27th on [Link: www.thedopeycowboy.com…] and [Link: www.fillemandbillem.com….]

Would have to find it there. But clearly this is not a specific response. It’s an old “essay”.

138 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:14:00am

Apropos EA, Obdicut:

Germany in Flames Over EA’s Origin

We’ve already heard all the drama regarding EA’s Origin EULA, but Germany-based’s GameStar had a word with lawyer Thomas Schwenke regarding the validity of Origin’s German terms of service. Mr. Schwenke specializes in social media marketing, data protection and contract law, so suffice to say, he knows what he’s talking about.

Now, I don’t understand all the legal terms used in the article, as I am not knowledgeable about German law, but thankfully the article puts each explanation in layman’s terms. The gist of it is that Germany considers Origin spyware and the EULA having quite a few clauses which aren’t applicable in German court. For example, the main gripe, which you likely know is that Origin may monitor all your PC activity, doesn’t work as “the user doesn’t need to expect that by using an online platform, he has to give over all his PC data”.

From what I gather, most of the fallacies in the EULA boil down to German law not allowing hidden clauses and unclear terms, as well as anything that directly contradicts the law. An example of this is EA claiming that they will store userdata in the United States, EU and Asia, but also in “other countries”, which doesn’t work well with Germany’s data protection laws which state that the user must be informed in which countries his or her data will be stored.

[Link: deltagamer.com…]

139 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:14:37am

re: #135 wrenchwench

Various members of Anonymous are now saying that “OpCartel,” as the mission is called, as been cancelled due to the extremely serious dangers that go with exposing a violent drug cartel.

How can the drug cartels find them if they are anonymous?

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:17:05am

re: #133 Obdicut

I know gay guys who are anti-women. They’re a small percentage of the total gay guys that I know.

I’m always amused by people who think gay people all act the same, too. I mean, the Abercrombie and Fitch zombies in the Castro may all look alike, but they do still have different opinions.

One of the more interesting experiences I had with a broad section of the gay male community, as opposed to individual people met in a bunch of ways, was getting signatures for Roberta Achtenberg’s mayoral run in the Castro.

One thing I found interesting was that my warmest reception was always from the big, hairy leathermen. The twink-types in the matching jeans and t-shirts were sometimes very cool to me, but the classic leathermen would always stop, talk, discuss ideas for the City, laugh over the Jesse Helms video. “Because she’s a damn lesbian!”

I wondered if when you look like a Tom of Finland illustration, you don’t have to be embarassed about talking to girls. No one will get the idea you’re straight.

I also wondered if it was because the men’s and women’s leather community overlaps more, so their interest in a lesbian candidate was higher. Really, no clue.

141 jaunte  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:17:37am

re: #121 000G

What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours.

What a laugh.

142 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:17:40am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

How can the drug cartels find them if they are anonymous?

Because Anonymity is relative.

143 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:18:47am

Great photo of Rahm Emanuel on Politico:

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Image: 111031_rahmzombie.jpg

144 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:19:32am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

How can the drug cartels find them if they are anonymous?

What 000G said, plus: they don’t care who they kill. They’ll kill whoever is handy to make their point.

145 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:19:49am

20+ years of being an out queer tells me no one’s stereotypes of us ever fit. And certainly not those of mainstreamers and onlookers. There are a lot of jerks, nice people, normal people, haters, lovers, all kinds, in any community. The gay one is no different in that regard.

146 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:20:41am

Japan lawmaker drinks water from Fukushima plant

A Japanese lawmaker has drunk a glass of water taken from a radioactive puddle inside a reactor building at the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant in a bid to prove decontamination efforts are working.

Television footage showed a visibly nervous Yasuhiro Sonoda gulping down water that he said had been decontaminated after being scooped up from inside the plant.

“Just drinking (decontaminated water) doesn’t mean safety has been confirmed, I know that,” Sonoda told reporters. “Presenting data to the public is the best way.”

Sonoda, parliamentary secretary for the cabinet office, said Monday that he drank the water after journalists repeatedly asked him to “prove” the area around the plant was safe.

Youtube Video

[Link: www.rawstory.com…]

147 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:21:41am

re: #121 000G

[Link: thejobmouse.com…]

Here we go:

The author of the ‘Wall Street as dinosaurs’ meme surfaces
Posted by Stacy-Marie Ishmael on May 05 17:05.

On April 30, FT Alphaville republished an email which had been doing the rounds of the various trading desks and Wall Street banks.

The contents of that email — which included the memorable line that Wall Street types were both smarter and more vicious than dinosaurs — has incited both outrage at the author’s “John Galt-ian insanity” and support for “finally telling it like it is.”

And on Wednesday, the author of the piece, which has been modified somewhat from its original form, emailed FT Alphaville to set the record straight:

The article I wrote was in Sept….now its all over the pace in different versions. Most just cut off the top to make their point that I am defending Wall Street. Which was not the entire point. My main focus was that the middle class was still going to get the short end of the stick in financial reform. That is why I finally wrote a follow up.

And here’s the original…

It’s some kind of spoof or now what it seems to be. I’m sort of multitasking now.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:21:44am

re: #146 000G

Japan lawmaker drinks water from Fukushima plant

I don’t know if that was a good idea.

149 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:21:47am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

How can the drug cartels find them if they are anonymous?

Don’t forget this:

Bodies hanging from bridge in Mexico are warning to social media users
[Link: articles.cnn.com…]

Anon may want to be careful. It’s one thing to poke a government organization that, at worst, might imprison you. It’s quite another to mess with a group that will disembowel you and leave your corpse hanging from a bridge.

150 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:22:33am

re: #147 Gus 802

[Link: thejobmouse.com…]

Here we go:

The author of the ‘Wall Street as dinosaurs’ meme surfaces
Posted by Stacy-Marie Ishmael on May 05 17:05.

It’s some kind of spoof or now what it seems to be. I’m sort of multitasking now.

And it’s a re-write of the original.

151 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:22:52am

How Google is Making the Climate War Worse

Who hasn’t gotten exasperated with someone else’s ignorance about climate change? Haven’t you finally said: “look, you can just google it!”

But there turns out to be one big problem with just “googling” it. It depends on who you are.

So if last time you looked up climate change and chose to open something by, say, Marc Morano, then Senator Inhofe, and then the Drudge Report, which would all poo-poo climate change, google thinks, “oh, this moron likes denier news about climate change,” and next time, more of its top suggestions for your search will be skewed even further to the right.

As you keep heading further into la-la land, Google is there, holding your hand, assuring you that indeed, this is the objective, google-able truth. Two people with different search histories get two entirely different sets of google “facts” for the identical search terms.

The problem is that science-based types, who click on the fact-laden science-based pdfs from the EPA and reports from the WRI and studies from NOAA – and then get more of these kinds of results; assume that’s what everyone sees when they just “google” it, but there is no one objective science-based google.

Google has become like a good but unobtrusive butler, that always obsequiously aims to please, by always giving you more and more of what you liked last time. Ultimately, as a result, we are now all living in what we believe to be the objective, self-evidently google-able truth. And we are not.

Source: Clean Technica ([Link: s.tt…]

[Link: cleantechnica.com…]

152 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:23:00am

re: #146 000G

Japan lawmaker drinks water from Fukushima plant

[Video][Link: www.rawstory.com…]

A third eye would come in handy, especially if it grows on the back of your head.

153 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:23:26am

re: #147 Gus 802

[Link: thejobmouse.com…]

Here we go:

The author of the ‘Wall Street as dinosaurs’ meme surfaces
Posted by Stacy-Marie Ishmael on May 05 17:05.

It’s some kind of spoof or now what it seems to be. I’m sort of multitasking now.

Great job!

154 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:24:06am

Boss:
“Finch! We’ve had compliant about that giant SnapOn Tool calender you
have hanging in your cubical!!”
Finch:
“But Sir…they’re wearing bathing suits….and everyone needs a calender..
Boss:
“IT”S TWO YEARS OLD YOU MORON!!”

155 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:24:16am

re: #145 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

20+ years of being an out queer tells me no one’s stereotypes of us ever fit. And certainly not those of mainstreamers and onlookers. There are a lot of jerks, nice people, normal people, haters, lovers, all kinds, in any community. The gay one is no different in that regard.

I think this is why the broader queer community tends to be far more marginalized when compared to people simply being ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ or even bi. Even fewer stereotypes can be built up and applied there and I think that makes people extra uncomfortable. We seem to like placing people into nice, simple buckets.

156 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:25:14am

The most recent update of Chrome (15) has made my internet extraordinarily slow. Not only that, but it crashes more often, and has become a CPU hog like IE used to be on my computer.

Anyone else having this issue?

157 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:25:24am

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know if that was a good idea.

It’s an old meme. Politicians consuming milk powder from Cernobyl, cucumbers from Spain, beef from the UK, Mr Burns eating the three-eyed fish… ;-)

158 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:26:05am

re: #146 000G

Japan lawmaker drinks water from Fukushima plant

[Video]
[Link: www.rawstory.com…]

Great for washing down the fugu.

159 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:26:59am

WTF?

Both my daughter love Taylor Swift. This is messed up.

Taylor Swift May Sue Over Nude Photo Scandal

Life isn’t always a fairytale for pop-country princess Taylor Swift, who is considering suing celebrity website Celeb Jihad for posting an alleged topless photo of her.

The 21-year-old crossover superstar is assuring fans that she is not the girl in the photo, which shows an underwear-clad young blonde who resembles Swift. The accompanying story’s headline reads, “Taylor Swift Topless Private Pic Leaked?”

According to TMZ, Swift and her lawyers are threatening to sue the website for trademark infringement if the photo is not taken down. The singer’s reps penned a letter to Celeb Jihad saying that the post was based on “false pornographic images and false ‘news.’”

In a statement to E! News, a spokesperson for Celeb Jihad confirmed the legal threat, adding that the site would remove the picture—if the singer agrees to convert to Islam. Needless to say, the photo remains.

160 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:28:39am

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

Both my daughter love Taylor Swift. This is messed up.

Taylor Swift May Sue Over Nude Photo Scandal

That’s disgusting and twisted whichever way you slice it. I mean, what the fuck?

161 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:28:51am

re: #153 000G

Great job!

He commented about the original here:

Will the lefties commenting on “Beware of the Dinsosaurs” from places like the FT and Huffington post please make up their mind. Am I am pompous ass, rich, spoiled, high flying, wife stealing, drug sniffing, 1mm a year making, power player, Rick Flair wannabe, who hates the little man. Or am I a lonely,desperate, little man whining and crying for help? It really effects my wardrobe decisions on a Saturday night. Do I go with the Johnny Cash look or bust out the P Diddy attire.

I am not going to apologize for what I wrote. I wrote it for traders, on a trading blog. You guys high jacked it and turned it into a class war email. That was not my goal. I was simplying saying that eliminating Wall Street would cause more harm then good in a rant. We will be back looking for jobs in an already overcrowed job market. But at least I learned a lesson. Liberals are not the kinder, gentle types. On a side note…where was all the support for me on these blogs from my fellow brothers in finance?….Bastards got nervous and hid. You owe me one in the meat packing district….Alright I have to go to bed…..been up all night doing blow with these five hookers…..plus I must have been too wired and drove my ferrari into the pool…..I think I ran over my lawn boy….oh well.

Seems like he’s a young wannabe with lots of wingnut posts here and there.

162 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:28:53am

re: #154 reloadingisnotahobby

Boss:
“Finch! We’ve had compliant about that giant SnapOn Tool calender you
have hanging in your cubical!!”
Finch:
“But Sir…they’re wearing bathing suits…and everyone needs a calender..
Boss:
“IT”S TWO YEARS OLD YOU MORON!!”

This reminds me of the time I spent at GM, supporting the UAW crew in the “experimental” garage. A co-worker was very offended by the “SnapOn” calendar, and for Christmas she gave everyone “World Wildlife Fund” calendars. She was very disappointed when the New Year came and everyone had new SnapOn calendars. The garage guys said, “you have your wildlife, and we have ours.”

163 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:28:55am

re: #147 Gus 802

It’s still a fantasy. It is, basically, “We are smarter and better than you. Because of this we will take what’s yours and make it ours.”

aka the JP Morgan rule of possession. “If it’s not nailed down, it’s mine. If I can pry it up, it wasn’t nailed down.”

164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:29:09am

re: #155 Simply Sarah

Stereotypes only persist out of ignorance and (often deliberate) non-exposure. People get uncomfortable/nervous/upset when they find out their buckets are either full of holes, or are just irrelevant.

165 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:31:03am

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

CelebJihad needs to be sued out of existence. They are defaming not only Taylor Swift, but denigrating Islam

166 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:31:06am

Apparently all 16 German States have signed contracts with schoolbook producers that allows them to install trojans on school computers to scan for pirated books:

[Link: netzpolitik.org…]
[Link: translate.google.com…]

*groan*

167 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:31:23am

re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Stereotypes only persist out of ignorance and (often deliberate) non-exposure. People get uncomfortable/nervous/upset when they find out their buckets are either full of holes, or are just irrelevant.

That’s basically it in a nutshell. You can sometimes sort of sneak them into reality, but that’s slow and doesn’t always work as designed.

168 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:31:44am

re: #161 Gus 802

Remind me to never cross you.

169 Kragar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:32:06am

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

Both my daughter love Taylor Swift. This is messed up.

Taylor Swift May Sue Over Nude Photo Scandal

I’ll need to see all the evidence before I can pass judgement.
///

170 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:32:55am

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ll need to see all the evidence before I can pass judgement.

It’s already down. I checked.

171 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:33:45am

re: #151 000G

How Google is Making the Climate War Worse

[Link: cleantechnica.com…]

Wow. All this time, I just figured the “Google suggest” terms were based on what were the most popular searches overall, not something that constantly adjusted itself according to what you’d clicked in the past. I can see why they chose this set-up, but they obviously didn’t think through the “unintended consequences” portion.

172 iossarian  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:33:54am

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ll need to see all the evidence before I can pass judgement.

“What are you doing in there? What’s that thumping noise?”

“I’m reviewing the evidence… all the evidence…”

173 Kragar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:34:44am

re: #170 RogueOne

It’s already down. I checked.

Impeding a serious investigation I see.

174 leftynyc  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:34:56am

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s funny. I recall an ex-Lizard, I think it was Buzzsaw, going on at some length here about how much gay men really hated women, and they only pretend to like us, and when you’re not in the room, they say horrible things about women, blah blah.

I had to comment that many straight men have not learned to wait until women leave the room, so the gay guys were ahead on points.

It was a weird conversation.

SOME gay men do in fact hate women (I personally suspect mommy issues) but in my experience, the vast majority do not.

175 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:35:26am

re: #171 publicityStunted

I’ve seen this phenomenon referred to as “Google reality bubbles”.

176 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:35:55am

So my cousin bought a computer from the estate of one of his mothers friends. Dual core 64 bit processors, 4 gigs of ram, Nvidia graphics, etc, etc… state of the art for back then and extremely pricey. Some relative of the previous owner took the computer to remove all the personal information from it before it was sold by the estate.

He wiped everything, and I do mean everything, every program, and almost every single driver. I found that out yesterday when he had me try to connect it to the internet. No modem drivers, no ethernet drivers, device manager was mostly just a long line of yellow question marks with generic “PCI Device” or whatever after them.

I took it home last night and tracked down the missing drivers, burned them to disc, and installed them successfully after a bit of trial and error over the installation order. Once I got it online no problems at all, not one failed update or program install, and the thing is fast, 10 times faster than his existing computer and almost as fast as my newest windows 7 machine.

One problem, I’m still missing every single factory installed program, I have downloaded and replaced pretty much everything except of course for Word/Office, now I’m stuck. The manufacturer says they cannot sell me back-up discs for the original programs since the warranty is expired. God knows where the original back-up discs are, probably in a landfill somewhere, so I have a perfectly working fast computer to return to my cousin but with absolutely no word processing programs installed…sigh. :(

Any suggestions?

177 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:36:31am

re: #168 000G

Remind me to never cross you.

:) One more thing about that email and alleged flier:

Author Of Wall St. Class Warfare Email Responds, Calls Financial Reform A ‘Lobotomy’

178 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:37:10am

re: #174 leftynyc

SOME gay men do in fact hate women (I personally suspect mommy issues) but in my experience, the vast majority do not.

Some straight men hate women too. I can’t understand why. I love women.

179 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:37:50am

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

…slut…/

180 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:39:32am

Another legend in his own mind.

181 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:39:36am

re: #176 ausador

Get him started on Google docs or the free office suite from openoffice.org

182 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:40:04am

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ann Coulter: ‘Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks’

I just read that. What a weird ass comment. “Our Blacks.” I can’t even fathom what that means. Then again I see conservatives convince themselves that “their” women are better looking than “your liberal women.”

183 freetoken  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:40:52am

re: #175 000G

re: #171 publicityStunted

So, Google is instituting confirmation bias and epistemic closure as part of our modern internet/online society?

184 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:41:14am

Gay men hate women? Anyone ever hear of a faghag? :)
Just joking around but all the gay dudes I’ve known have pretty much been like every other guy I know when it comes to women.

185 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:41:22am

Another Maxim reader.

//

186 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:41:49am

re: #176 ausador

So my cousin bought a computer from the estate of one of his mothers friends. Dual core 64 bit processors, 4 gigs of ram, Nvidia graphics, etc, etc… state of the art for back then and extremely pricey. Some relative of the previous owner took the computer to remove all the personal information from it before it was sold by the estate.

He wiped everything, and I do mean everything, every program, and almost every single driver. I found that out yesterday when he had me try to connect it to the internet. No modem drivers, no ethernet drivers, device manager was mostly just a long line of yellow question marks with generic “PCI Device” or whatever after them.

I took it home last night and tracked down the missing drivers, burned them to disc, and installed them successfully after a bit of trial and error over the installation order. Once I got it online no problems at all, not one failed update or program install, and the thing is fast, 10 times faster than his existing computer and almost as fast as my newest windows 7 machine.

One problem, I’m still missing every single factory installed program, I have downloaded and replaced pretty much everything except of course for Word/Office, now I’m stuck. The manufacturer says they cannot sell me back-up discs for the original programs since the warranty is expired. God knows where the original back-up discs are, probably in a landfill somewhere, so I have a perfectly working fast computer to return to my cousin but with absolutely no word processing programs installed…sigh. :(

Any suggestions?

Open Office?

It ain’t Microsoft, but it’ll get you in the ball park, and it’s free.

187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:42:13am

re: #167 Simply Sarah

That’s basically it in a nutshell. You can sometimes sort of sneak them into reality, but that’s slow and doesn’t always work as designed.

, and is usually not even worth the effort, anyway.

188 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:43:08am

re: #176 ausador

Google docs is actually pretty good, too. It depends if he needs it for business or just writing around. I really like google docs.

189 Kragar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:43:31am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I just read that. What a weird ass comment. “Our Blacks.” I can’t even fathom what that means. Then again I see conservatives convince themselves that “their” women are better looking than “your liberal women.”

Ann Coulter loves Blacks. She’d buy a dozen if you let her.

190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:43:37am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I just read that. What a weird ass comment. “Our Blacks.” I can’t even fathom what that means. Then again I see conservatives convince themselves that “their” women are better looking than “your liberal women.”

Welcome to the ownership society mentality, foundational to white conservatism since what, 1619?

191 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:43:40am

re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

, and is usually not even worth the effort, anyway.

Eh, I dunno. I don’t see us with much choice, in the end. Just need to catch people early enough that we can keep them from falling into the trap to start with.

192 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:45:58am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Considering it’s questionable that she is even a woman, she should shut up on comparing ethnicity or groups that are split between parties.

Seriously, I need help. My Chrome is going intolerably slow.

193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:46:15am

re: #176 ausador

What make/model of computer? You can probably download the original disk images and drivers from somewhere on the mfr’s support site.

194 leftynyc  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:46:45am

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Some straight men hate women too. I can’t understand why. I love women.

Maybe also mommy issues. Glad to hear you love women ;-)

195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:47:41am

re: #192 ProLifeLiberal

Considering it’s questionable that she is even a woman, she should shut up on comparing ethnicity or groups that are split between parties.

Seriously, I need help. My Chrome is going intolerably slow.

How u figure?

196 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:47:50am

re: #192 ProLifeLiberal

Considering it’s questionable that she is even a woman, she should shut up on comparing ethnicity or groups that are split between parties.

Seriously, I need help. My Chrome is going intolerably slow.

OK, sorry, but I don’t really have any tolerance for those types of remarks. Way too misogynist and transphobic.

197 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:48:29am

Israel: Army has green light to stop Gaza rockets

JERUSALEM — Israel has authorized its military to take all necessary steps to stop rocket fire from Gaza, including a ground operation, an Israeli military official said Tuesday, as Egypt worked on a truce and said Israel had agreed to delay stepping up its response.

The Israeli government decision stopped well short of ordering tanks to roll into Gaza, and it appeared unlikely that would happen, as rocket fire all but stopped over the past day. The official said the decision authorized the military to act in accordance with the severity of Palestinian attacks, meaning that a ground offensive would be ordered only after massive rocket fire.

The Israeli official spoke on condition of anonymity because no statement was made.

198 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:48:56am

re: #192 ProLifeLiberal

Considering it’s questionable that she is even a woman, she should shut up on comparing ethnicity or groups that are split between parties.

Seriously, I need help. My Chrome is going intolerably slow.

Not cool.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:50:05am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Israel: Army has green light to stop Gaza rockets

That sounds like an on-purpose leak to tell the powers-that-be in Gaza unofficially that the Israeli government is getting annoyed and seriously losing patience.

200 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:50:25am

re: #195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Adam’s Apple, and a very prominent one at that.

201 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:50:54am

re: #200 ProLifeLiberal

Adam’s Apple, and a very prominent one at that.

Don’t start digging either.

202 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:51:45am

re: #146 000G

Japan lawmaker drinks water from Fukushima plant

[Video][Link: www.rawstory.com…]

this kind of “proof” goes way back

On October 30, 1924, Midgley [the inventor of “leaded” gasoline] participated in a press conference to demonstrate the apparent safety of TEL. In this demonstration, he poured TEL over his hands, then placed a bottle of the chemical under his nose and inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds, declaring that he could do this every day without succumbing to any problems whatsoever.[3][6] However, the State of New Jersey ordered the Bayway plant to be closed a few days later, and Jersey Standard was forbidden to manufacture TEL there again without state permission. Midgley himself was careful to avoid mentioning to the press that he required nearly a year to recover from the lead poisoning brought on by his demonstration at the press conference

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

203 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:52:07am

re: #200 ProLifeLiberal

Adam’s Apple, and a very prominent one at that.

That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not someone is a man, woman, or non-binary.

204 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:52:31am

re: #200 ProLifeLiberal

Adam’s Apple, and a very prominent one at that.

Doesn’t matter. Her politics are heinous, regardless of her body parts or perceived gender/sex/sexuality.

I don’t see the point in trans-baiting her.

205 William of Orange  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:52:48am

Jon Stewart is hilarious on this topic!!

Also his take on Rick Perry’s melt down in New Hampshire is great!!

But the real kicker was that night’s moment of Zen! Pissed my pants watching that!! Watch a zombie explain economics! Hahaha!!!

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:53:10am

re: #201 Gus 802

Don’t start digging either.

And what real benefit is there to discussing it? Be critical of what she says since you don’t need to go past that anyways. Engaging on that tack simply is a distraction.

207 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:53:30am

re: #200 ProLifeLiberal

Adam’s Apple, and a very prominent one at that.

Lots of women have an adam’s apple. Even if she were a transsexual or a hermaphrodite, who cares?

208 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:54:50am

re: #204 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Doesn’t matter. Her politics are heinous, regardless of her body parts or perceived gender/sex/sexuality.

I don’t see the point in trans-baiting her.

Right. There are plenty of totally legitimate reasons to tell her off and dismiss her without starting on the unimportant non-issue of gender identity.

209 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:54:56am

re: #200 ProLifeLiberal

That’s not an adam’s apple, that’s the bullshit stuck in her throat.
//
Prolly want to stay away from transgender stuff, btw.

210 Kragar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:54:58am

GOP Nominee For KY-GOV Slams Dem For Participating In Hindu ‘Idolatry’

CREEPING VISHNU!

211 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:56:23am

re: #199 oaktree

That sounds like an on-purpose leak to tell the powers-that-be in Gaza unofficially that the Israeli government is getting annoyed and seriously losing patience.

I think that’s what they want. Once Israel goes in to rid the place of cockroaches they will complain to the media & the UN that Israel is killing innocent Palestinians. It never ends.

212 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:56:32am

re: #200 ProLifeLiberal

Adam’s Apple, and a very prominent one at that.

Drop the shovel and back away slowly.

213 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:57:54am

re: #192 ProLifeLiberal

Considering it’s questionable that she is even a woman, she should shut up on comparing ethnicity or groups that are split between parties.

Seriously, I need help. My Chrome is going intolerably slow.

Sorry dude the tranny thing isn’t cool. She could look like Natalie fucking Portman and she’d still be an ugly person in my eyes because of the crap she says. Judge Ann on her words not her looks.

214 freetoken  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:58:17am

re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GOP Nominee For KY-GOV Slams Dem For Participating In Hindu ‘Idolatry’

CREEPING VISHNU!

More like CREEPy GOP - it’s all part of the worldview meltdown.

215 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:58:18am

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Dehumanizing language is also not cool.

216 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:58:29am

re: #201 Gus 802

I’ve been having a bad time the past 3 days. Completely alone on campus, and that is torture. I apologize for that bit of bile.

I seriously need help with Chrome. It even lags when typing.

217 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:59:27am

re: #216 ProLifeLiberal

I haven’t had any problems with Chrome. Have you run virus and adware scans?

218 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:59:34am

re: #215 Obdicut

Dehumanizing language is also not cool.

Dehumanizing language? You mean calling the terrorists cockroaches?

219 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 11:59:44am

re: #216 ProLifeLiberal

I’ve been having a bad time the past 3 days. Completely alone on campus, and that is torture. I apologize for that bit of bile.

I seriously need help with Chrome. It even lags when typing.

It’s cool man. Yeah we’re getting into crunchtime here at Mason. My final semester is going by so damn fast.

220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:00:21pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

It’s cool man. Yeah we’re getting into crunchtime here at Mason. My final semester is going by so damn fast.

How’s that paper turning out?

221 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:01:06pm

re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GOP Nominee For KY-GOV Slams Dem For Participating In Hindu ‘Idolatry’

CREEPING VISHNU!

Does that come with creeping naan or saag?

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:01:17pm

re: #216 ProLifeLiberal

I’ve been having a bad time the past 3 days. Completely alone on campus, and that is torture. I apologize for that bit of bile.

I seriously need help with Chrome. It even lags when typing.

Is this on your new HD? Is it working better in general?

223 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:01:27pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Dehumanizing language? You mean calling the terrorists cockroaches?

Yes, especially since collateral damage does, indeed, exist. Innocent people do get killed. Israel has absolutely every right to defend herself against attack, even though it may mean that non-terrorists get caught in the crossfire, but using language that dehumanizes is a step in the wrong direction.

And besides, it overlooks an important point. They’re human. Evil humans. Evil is a human thing.

224 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:01:29pm

re: #216 ProLifeLiberal

I’ve been having a bad time the past 3 days. Completely alone on campus, and that is torture. I apologize for that bit of bile.

I seriously need help with Chrome. It even lags when typing.

Try clearing your cache. All of it including whatever Windows temp files you might have. You might also need to re-set your DNS.

To flush and reset a client resolver cache using the ipconfig command

Open Command Prompt.
Type:
ipconfig /flushdns

225 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:01:47pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

Does that come with creeping naan or saag?

Now I want naan and aloo paratha.

226 freetoken  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:02:18pm

The Ultimate Warrior, an icon of 1980’s style pro-wrestling, speaks out about OWS:

ULTIMATE WARRIOR: WALL STREET OCCUPIERS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES

In the video he also goes on to condemn the “occupiers” for their “indecency” and squalor.

227 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:02:22pm

re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How’s that paper turning out?

Good, thanks for asking. Have a small presentation of it today at 4:30 where I introdce the topic and get critiqued. I did the same for a classmate so I had some interesting reading this weekend about Brest-Litovsk

228 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:03:14pm

re: #217 Obdicut

Well, I tried to, then THAT crashed. This computer is a Vista if that makes any difference (age?). And it just started after the update I got today, 15.

229 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:03:46pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Try clearing your cache. All of it including whatever Windows temp files you might have. You might also need to re-set your DNS.

Open Command Prompt.
Type:
ipconfig /flushdns

…and hit enter… obviously.

230 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:04:05pm

re: #223 Obdicut

Yes, especially since collateral damage does, indeed, exist. Innocent people do get killed. Israel has absolutely every right to defend herself against attack, even though it may mean that non-terrorists get caught in the crossfire, but using language that dehumanizes is a step in the wrong direction.

And besides, it overlooks an important point. They’re human. Evil humans. Evil is a human thing.

I was being generous to the rocket launching murderous vermin. I have a lot worse things to call them and humans aren’t one of them but I’ll hold back.

231 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:04:15pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

If your virus and malware scans are crashing, that’s not good. Restart in safemode and scan.

232 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:04:23pm

re: #190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Welcome to the ownership society mentality, foundational to white conservatism since what, 1619?

And let’s not forget American Exceptionalism! (which even the left leaning news organizations quote verbatim and dare not question)

Are our actions and morals really so exceptionally high that they cannot be questioned? Maybe in some peoples minds they used to be I guess, but today?

233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:05:10pm

re: #225 Obdicut

Now I want naan and aloo paratha.

Make it saag ghosht and fish tandoori for me.

234 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:05:49pm

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

I was being generous to the rocket launching murderous vermin. I have a lot worse things to call them and humans aren’t one of them but I’ll hold back.

Well, they are humans. They’re evil humans. And dehumanizing rhetoric makes it easier to dismiss the collateral deaths as well, and that’s not a good thing.

I don’t get the point of using language like that, except to dehumanize.

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:06:39pm

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

I was being generous to the rocket launching murderous vermin. I have a lot worse things to call them and humans aren’t one of them but I’ll hold back.

Well, like it or lump it, they are humans.

Yes,
just
like
you

236 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:08:01pm

re: #226 freetoken

The Ultimate Warrior, an icon of 1980’s style pro-wrestling, speaks out about OWS:

ULTIMATE WARRIOR: WALL STREET OCCUPIERS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES

In the video he also goes on to condemn the “occupiers” for their “indecency” and squalor.

Ah yes…

Brian James Hellwig - Motivational speaking and writing

Warrior formally retired from wrestling in 1999 and had a short-lived career as a conservative speaker and commentator, partnering with conservative spokesman Daniel Pinheiro, denouncing left-wing politics. In one instance, he mentioned that “queering doesn’t make the world work” during a speech at the University of Connecticut. Warrior explained those comments on his website as meaning that the human race would die out if everyone were a homosexual.

Writing

In May 1996, Warrior began publishing a comic book, titled Warrior, featuring himself as the main character. The series was co-written with Jim Callahan and illustrated by the Sharp Brothers. The title sold well for the first two months, before sales slowed down. The comic was canceled in early 1997.

Warrior maintains a blog on his personal website titled “Warrior’s Machete”, where he discusses his personal life, his personal views on politics, sexuality, patriotism, and his legacy as a wrestler, amongst other topics. There have been numerous instances where Warrior has used his blog to address his viewpoint on members of his wrestling past (Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, Lex Luger); historical figures (Martin Luther King, George Washington, Jesus). Warrior depicts celebrities who were newsworthy at the time of his blog (Heath Ledger and Paris Hilton). He has also used the blog to post replies to letters from fans.

Super genius! //

237 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:08:10pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

Strangely, everything else (aside from MalwareBytes (given to me by the OU IT department) which crashed)is running lickity split. Empire (Total War) had a non-speed glitch, but everything else is good.

It’s just Chrome.

238 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:09:57pm

re: #236 Gus 802

Ah yes…

Super genius! //

Some more garbage from this douche:

Next. Martin Luther King can have his own self-titled birthday recognized as a National Holiday, but not our country’s First President? Should I go on? Should I have to? Do I want to? Will I? You bet your ass I will.

Let’s see if I understand this correctly. Or should I say, let’s see if I can get to anywhere near a “correct understanding” of this piece of nonsense by, first, understanding it sensically using political-incorrectness?

Martin marched a few times from Selma, AL to Montgomery, AL. It’s only about 40 miles and he walked along paved roads with security escorts and modern comforts and conveniences. He wrote a few jailhouse letters, plagiarized a great many speeches, and played up his last name “King” as if he was ONE. He led his best rally amid the monuments of Washington, DC. He preached proper, righteous behavior while he at the same time committed adultery many publicly verifiable times — oh, and he had “a dream.” One to see a race of people freed completely from discriminate oppression.

I’m already what? 30 seconds in?

239 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:10:07pm

Also, Spysweeper is being a CPU Hog.

240 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:10:42pm

re: #236 Gus 802

Ah yes…

Super genius! //

So it’s basically the act of a has been trying to become an “is”? Honestly I’ll say this with pride but I never thought “professional wrestling” was cool. I had buddies that loved it but I hated it. Give me an epic boxing match anyday of the week and then an 8th.

241 albusteve  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:10:59pm

terrorists are humans…thanks for the clarification

242 freetoken  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:11:24pm

re: #238 Gus 802

The man certainly has opinions.

243 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:12:26pm

re: #238 Gus 802

Ah, an unreconstructed KKKer.

Why anyone would listen to an addled Douche like that is beyond me.

244 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:13:29pm

re: #232 ausador

Oh, I know what you mean.

America fuck yeah!

Exceptionalism!

Ingenuity!

Know how!

Add your cliche here!

245 Kragar  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:14:10pm

re: #244 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Add your cliche here!

TITS OR GTFO!

246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:14:53pm

re: #241 albusteve

terrorists are humans…thanks for the clarification

Some people are as yet unclear on the concept.

247 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:15:12pm

re: #193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What make/model of computer? You can probably download the original disk images and drivers from somewhere on the mfr’s support site.

Cousin works for the TSA now so he needs “Word” the Federal government (or at least his branch) does not except documents in any other format. As I said in my original post the manufacturer will not even sell me back-up disks for the original programs because the warranty has expired (thanks Microsoft, thanks a lot :p).

Buying a new copy of Office 2010 makes no sense either because for that price you could get it bundled for free with a brand new computer. It seems I really don’t have any viable options here…

248 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:15:17pm

re: #241 albusteve

terrorists are humans…thanks for the clarification

I was being unfair to the cockroaches ya know.

249 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:17:10pm

re: #248 NJDhockeyfan

Yep. Cockroaches are unwitting beasts. Terrorists are thinking, calculating, evil human beings.

But the children of cockroaches are cockroaches. The children of terrorists are children— children who are raised with propaganda and hate, but still born in innocence, like all children.

250 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:17:30pm

re: #242 freetoken

The man certainly has opinions.

Yes he does:

Who is “they”? Who is “he”? You first think it is a soldier, right? Wrong, “them” is “horses,” and “he” is Barbaro. ABC’s Good Morning America lead with the “sad” story of him being euthanized. The story ran exactly 9 and one-half minutes. The next story was about the war in Iraq. The coverage lasted 1 minute and not one second had anything to do with, “We measure [them] by the courage and character they have, the resolve they show…he had the heart, determination, and the bravery he showed while under such challenging circumstances was so admirable…” No, the whole segment was all to do with the “resolve” the insurgents have. Ladies and gentleman, and 12 year old transsexuals, our-enemies-within are inspiring a future world where we humans will soon be out to pasture, as we will fondly remember was once done to the real beasts, not the rational animals. I’m looking forward to it, actually. Being a full-time Stud living a life of leisure and pleasure might not be so bad after all.

and

Even by radical liberal skewed standards, there are 37 million in poverty, at poverty, below poverty…whatever, claiming to be down and out financially. To make the point I want to here, it really doesn’t matter what description you choose or even what number, pump it up by 3 times. Go ahead. At that number we are talking 100 million people, let’s say, for the sake of this poignant point I want to make. That’s 1/3 of the US population. My question, with all the guilt-ridden concern these liberal socialists have, why don’t they step up and cure poverty, themselves? Oprah doesn’t have $37 million, 100 million? Oh, that’s right. She has it but only for her racist ventures in Africa, like the school only for less fortunate black girls; what, there aren’t less fortunate white girls? asian girls? swedish girls? russian girls? She can’t get Bono, Madonna, Warren Beatty, Brad Jolina and Angie Pitt, and George Clooney and all the other harebrained entertainment millionaires to grasp the simple math? Together they can save the World from everything!! Hell, just buy Africa! Build your own Country. Why don’t they? What about brilliant, wealthy people who are very good at math? People like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. They invest money and build computers — what, they don’t have a $2 calculator to do the math? They don’t have the money between just the two of them to simply hand over the pocket cash and cure poverty in this country, maybe the whole World, once and for all?

Lots of pablum for wingnuts there.

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:18:50pm

re: #248 NJDhockeyfan

I was being unfair to the cockroaches ya know.

No one needs you to be “fair”. But there’s no difference between your attitude and Hamas’ -> .il and I’d tell some Hamas jackass the exact same thing I told you.

Neither of you have to agree with it, either.

252 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:18:55pm

I’ve been walking around in a drug induced haze from meds for my annual, start of the school year case of bronchitis. It’s making it hard to follow threads of late.
I have a strange touch of sympathy for Rick Perry…

253 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:19:21pm

re: #249 Obdicut

Yep. Cockroaches are unwitting beasts. Terrorists are thinking, calculating, evil human beings.

But the children of cockroaches are cockroaches. The children of terrorists are children— children who are raised with propaganda and hate, but still born in innocence, like all children.

I really feel sorry for those kids. They are taught hate their whole childhood. What a sad state of affairs out there.

254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:19:57pm

re: #253 NJDhockeyfan

I really feel sorry for those kids. They are taught hate their whole childhood. What a sad state of affairs out there.

How long have you been taught your hate?

255 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:19:59pm

re: #247 ausador

Cousin works for the TSA now so he needs “Word” the Federal government (or at least his branch) does not except documents in any other format. As I said in my original post the manufacturer will not even sell me back-up disks for the original programs because the warranty has expired (thanks Microsoft, thanks a lot :p).

Buying a new copy of Office 2010 makes no sense either because for that price you could get it bundled for free with a brand new computer. It seems I really don’t have any viable options here…

IIRC, OpenOffice outputs in Word format. Also, our Army staff element had a group license for any software they wanted us to use on our home machines—see if TSA has one for word processing (totally unclassified stuff, right?).

256 Gus  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:20:13pm

Ahem. Waterboarding and all that jazz aside:

DFIP Detainee passes away
By CENTCOM Public Affairs

MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE, Fla (October 24, 2011) — A detainee at the Detention Facility in Parwan died yesterday from an inoperable and terminal brain tumor. At the time of his death, the detainee was receiving medical care at Craig Combat Surgical Hospital, a nearby U.S. medical facility.

As a compassionate and humanitarian gesture, Combined Joint Interagency Task Force 435 worked with Afghan authorities and the International Committee of the Red Cross to contact family members and arrange visitations with the detainee while he was receiving medical care. The family members expressed appreciation for these visits and the quality of care provided to the detainee.

The detainee’s remains are being treated with the utmost respect. A cultural advisor is assisting CJIATF-435 to ensure that the remains are handled in a culturally sensitive and religiously appropriate manner.

Yes. They are human. To treat them otherwise would make us no better than our enemies.

257 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:20:18pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

there’s no difference between your attitude and Hamas

that’s a pretty fucked up statement.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:21:15pm

re: #254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How long have you been taught your hate?

What hate?

259 albusteve  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:21:32pm

re: #249 Obdicut

Yep. Cockroaches are unwitting beasts. Terrorists are thinking, calculating, evil human beings.

But the children of cockroaches are cockroaches. The children of terrorists are children— children who are raised with propaganda and hate, but still born in innocence, like all children.

calling cockroach spawn children rivals calling terrorists cockroaches anyday….but there must be some anal explanation most of us might understand if presented in short words….lol

260 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:22:34pm

re: #259 albusteve

calling cockroach spawn children rivals calling terrorists cockroaches anyday

I’m sorry, Steve, I have no idea what you mean by that. Could you restate it in some other way?

261 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:23:30pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

IIRC, OpenOffice outputs in Word format. Also, our Army staff element had a group license for any software they wanted us to use on our home machines—see if TSA has one for word processing (totally unclassified stuff, right?).

Well, I haven’t used the most recent OpenOffice version, since I don’t need that sort of stuff much, but I know that in the past it wouldn’t always be perfectly compatible with Word/Excel/Powerpoint/etc. files, even if exported in the proper format. So I’d suggest testing OO a bit before going with it, since sometimes those things can become bigger issues than they first appear.

262 albusteve  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:23:52pm

re: #260 Obdicut

I’m sorry, Steve, I have no idea what you mean by that. Could you restate it in some other way?

no…the beauty is in the simplicity

263 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:24:23pm

re: #261 Simply Sarah

OpenOffice definitely isn’t 100% compatible. I can’t use it for some work applications because of that.

264 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:25:28pm

re: #262 albusteve

no…the beauty is in the simplicity

Well, it is simply incomprehensible, so sure. Beauty I guess would reside in your eyes.

265 albusteve  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:26:49pm

re: #264 Obdicut

Well, it is simply incomprehensible, so sure. Beauty I guess would reside in your eyes.

lol…you do have a problem

266 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:27:36pm

re: #265 albusteve

That’s nice.

267 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:29:26pm

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

that’s a pretty fucked up statement.

Labeling other people cockroaches and vermin aren’t fucked up statements, though. Right?

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:30:42pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

What hate?

e_e

269 albusteve  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:37:48pm

re: #266 Obdicut

That’s nice.

you seem to thrive with it….that’s nice too

270 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:42:41pm

re: #267 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Labeling other people cockroaches and vermin aren’t fucked up statements, though. Right?

You compared me to terrorists. Go piss up a rope.

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:46:55pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No one needs you to be “fair”. But there’s no difference between your attitude and Hamas’ -> .il and I’d tell some Hamas jackass the exact same thing I told you.

Neither of you have to agree with it, either.

Not a fair statement by any measure.

272 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:47:53pm

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

I was being generous to the rocket launching murderous vermin. I have a lot worse things to call them and humans aren’t one of them but I’ll hold back.

You will be happy to know they see you the same way. Makes it easier to kill you. You guys have more in common than you thought.

273 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:55:15pm

re: #262 albusteve

no…the beauty is in the simplicity

Well maybe he wants you to quit being so simple.

274 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:56:23pm

re: #272 RayFerd

I think you’re missing the point by rather a broad mile. NDJ was only referring to terrorists; that’s clear. Hamas, and the other terrorists, use such language to refer to all Israelites, or all Jews.

Do you see the large difference there?

275 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:09:32pm

re: #12 makeitstop

I’ve got no proof to back it up, but I’m getting the feeling that Cain thinks he knows better than his staff, and has told them ‘I’ve got this.’

Either that, or he doesn’t have anyone with any PR experience, or the ones he does have are under directions to ‘speak only when spoken to.’

The guy’s obviously not lacking in the ego department, and that might be Problem #1 right there.

Which seems to be the root cause of all of Cain’s problems.

276 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:23:25pm

re: #103 iceweasel

Buzz had a lot of “issues” involving women.

Yes…BSM, IF, and other “alpha males” in the Lizard League of the Damned tended to be misogynistic shitheads.

277 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:48:40pm

re: #176 ausador

So my cousin bought a computer from the estate of one of his mothers friends. Dual core 64 bit processors, 4 gigs of ram, Nvidia graphics, etc, etc… state of the art for back then and extremely pricey. Some relative of the previous owner took the computer to remove all the personal information from it before it was sold by the estate.

He wiped everything, and I do mean everything, every program, and almost every single driver. I found that out yesterday when he had me try to connect it to the internet. No modem drivers, no ethernet drivers, device manager was mostly just a long line of yellow question marks with generic “PCI Device” or whatever after them.

I took it home last night and tracked down the missing drivers, burned them to disc, and installed them successfully after a bit of trial and error over the installation order. Once I got it online no problems at all, not one failed update or program install, and the thing is fast, 10 times faster than his existing computer and almost as fast as my newest windows 7 machine.

One problem, I’m still missing every single factory installed program, I have downloaded and replaced pretty much everything except of course for Word/Office, now I’m stuck. The manufacturer says they cannot sell me back-up discs for the original programs since the warranty is expired. God knows where the original back-up discs are, probably in a landfill somewhere, so I have a perfectly working fast computer to return to my cousin but with absolutely no word processing programs installed…sigh. :(

Any suggestions?

Was it custom-built or was it a pre-built box from one of the major OEMs (Dell, HP, etc.)?

278 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 2:12:12pm

I’m not convinced Herman Cain harrassed anyone. However, his goofy sequence of responses devours the tiny sliver of doubt left in my mind that he’s remotely capable of handling himself in the spotlight on a Federal political level.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:39:26pm

re: #174 leftynyc

SOME gay men do in fact hate women (I personally suspect mommy issues) but in my experience, the vast majority do not.

I also suspect that gay men who really don’t like women don’t tend to make friends with women. Buzz’s assertion seemed to be that all those straight women with gay guy friends were being put on by people who couldn’t stand them, but were somehow compelled to keep taking their phone calls anyhow.

280 wilburs  Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:51:52pm

So when is Herman Cain going to take his own advice and

blame himself?


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