Here’s a 720p HD recording with great audio from the Jools Holland show: Nick Cave and his band of weirdos performing a lurching, chaotic “Heathen Child” from Grinderman 2.
Youtube VideoMore samples from Amazon (click through to buy the album as an LGF associate):
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 1, 2011 3:58:31pm |
I love this album so much
SHE IS THE BUDDHA
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:17:19pm |
My bizzare-yet-great recipie for tonight-- one of my wife's favorites:
Thinly sliced steak on cucumber topped with wasabi mayonnaise or horseradish.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:21:21pm |
Can I just say that the more I research my lady lawyers, the more rockingly awesome the history of actual lady lawyers gets?
Laura de Force Gordon. What a woman!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:23:21pm |
re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist
Can I just say that the more I research my lady lawyers, the more rockingly awesome the history of actual lady lawyers gets?
Laura de Force Gordon. What a woman!
Sure, but can she sell real estate and pull teeth?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:23:41pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
My bizzare-yet-great recipie for tonight-- one of my wife's favorites:
Thinly sliced steak on cucumber topped with wasabi mayonnaise or horseradish.
Sounds good. Don't sweat the difference between wasabi and horseradish. They're actually the same thing with the addition of food coloring. Real wasabi is very expensive (about $100 per pound) and even most good sushi joints don't offer the real thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:25:37pm |
re: #5 Decatur Deb
Sure, but can she sell real estate and pull teeth?
No, but she lectured on both spiritualism and women's suffrage, was the first woman to run a daily newspaper, was a leader in the court case that allowed women to practice law in California, was admitted to the bar, sued Hasting Law School, and went to Hastings law school, then started a legal practice in San Francisco.
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allegro Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:27:42pm |
re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist
No, but she lectured on both spiritualism and women's suffrage, was the first woman to run a daily newspaper, was a leader in the court case that allowed women to practice law in California, was admitted to the bar, sued Hasting Law School, and went to Hastings law school, then started a legal practice in San Francisco.
Then after dinner, she read the kids a story and tucked them into bed.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:28:08pm |
re: #8 wrenchwench
I liked that a lot more than I expected to.
Good
Now hand over all that left over candy from last night
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:29:04pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Sounds good. Don't sweat the difference between wasabi and horseradish. They're actually the same thing with the addition of food coloring. Real wasabi is very expensive (about $100 per pound) and even most good sushi joints don't offer the real thing.
Yeah, the difference is between using the horseradish mayo or just grated horseradish. Depends, really, on how fatty the meat is.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:30:07pm |
I need to be writing a paper.
Unfortunately, the Baseball Stadium is doing their nightly music racket, and can't concentrate.
Anyone got Orange Juice?
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wrenchwench Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:31:36pm |
re: #10 sattv4u2
Good
Now hand over all that left over candy from last night
That's in the custody of Mr. w.
I have the good chocolate here at work. You can't have any.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:32:16pm |
re: #12 ProLifeLiberal
I need to be writing a paper.
Unfortunately, the Baseball Stadium is doing their nightly music racket, and can't concentrate.
Anyone got Orange Juice?
I think he's in LoveLock Correctional Facility for the forseeable future
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:32:23pm |
re: #12 ProLifeLiberal
I need to be writing a paper.
Unfortunately, the Baseball Stadium is doing their nightly music racket, and can't concentrate.
Anyone got Orange Juice?
I have some, but coming out to California is just procrastinating, and you know it.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:32:40pm |
re: #13 wrenchwench
That's in the custody of Mr. w.
I have the good chocolate here at work. You can't have any.
:(
me sad!!
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:32:44pm |
And in the spirit of heathens, here's a lesson on bible history:
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wrenchwench Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:33:17pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
My bizzare-yet-great recipie for tonight-- one of my wife's favorites:
Thinly sliced steak on cucumber topped with wasabi mayonnaise or horseradish.
I have some hamburger, a cucumber, and horseradish. You got me thinkin'.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:34:23pm |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
This is true, I have a procrastination problem. I have a subject and everything, but I 'm the most distractable Senior ever.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:34:30pm |
Sutter Creek, July 4, 1880
The orator of the day, Laura deForce Gordon, delivered a fine address, replete with humorous allusions to woman’s rights and the men for once having to take a back seat, interspersed with serious and patriotic references to the dark days of our Republic and the glorious future to which it will attain. The fair oratress was loudly applauded during her remarks, and at the close a gentleman—the first and only time one of that humbled sex even tried to speak—proposed that every man present join in three rousing cheers for the orator of the day, which were given with a will.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:35:54pm |
re: #17 Obdicut
And in the spirit of heathens, here's a lesson on bible history:
[Video]
LOL.
One of the best courses on Biblical history is The Residents' Wormwood.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:38:08pm |
re: #19 ProLifeLiberal
This is true, I have a procrastination problem. I have a subject and everything, but I 'm the most distractable Senior ever.
I doubt th,,,
oh ,, look ,, a bird!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:40:44pm |
re: #21 Sergey Romanov
LOL.
One of the best courses on Biblical history is The Residents' Wormwood.
[Video]
(Playlist: [Link: tinyurl.com...] )
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:43:20pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
I think he's in LoveLock Correctional Facility for the forseeable future
i didn't know you could get locked up for being a foreseeable future
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:44:23pm |
re: #24 engineer dog
i didn't know you could get locked up for being a foreseeable future
After he "didn't" kill his wife, his "forseeable future" was sealed!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:44:28pm |
re: #24 engineer dog
i didn't know you could get locked up for being a foreseeable future
dincha watch the mynortay repor' or sumthn'
/
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:45:00pm |
re: #22 sattv4u2
I got proof. I found a site called "Know Your Meme"
I found the meme called Troll Quotes.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:45:57pm |
re: #27 ProLifeLiberal
I got proof. I found a site called "Know Your Meme"
I found the meme called Troll Quotes.
I don't see a bird in that pict,,,,,
Hey ,, whats that on my shirt!!
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:50:29pm |
re: #28 sattv4u2
And because I found that site, I'm going through the pictures.
We should have an entire thread of just posting our favorite Troll Quote picture.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:51:56pm |
moar nick cave
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:53:06pm |
Here we go...
I found out about this too late to do much about it, but just in case you hadn’t heard, The US House of Representatives is voting tonight on a bill to make "In God We Trust" the official motto of the US.
This is pretty shocking. Well, it’s not shocking in that everything the Republican-majority House has done in the past few months has been pretty antireality, but this is such a clear violation of the First Amendment that it’s, well, shocking. That Amemndent to the US Constitution says...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:53:11pm |
(The only Nick Cave I can listen to is "...wild roses...". Sad, I know.)
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:53:55pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:54:29pm |
re: #29 ProLifeLiberal
trollin' trollin' trollin'.....
Image: tumblr_lf19krqZtK1qzaxefo1_500.jpg
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:56:12pm |
re: #33 Amory Blaine
Lazer...Jobs...Yadda...yadda
They do this every year. These are the same blockheads that fail a simple civics quiz. For the most part.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:58:57pm |
re: #35 Gus 802
They do this every year. These are the same blockheads that fail a simple civics quiz. For the most part.
Maybe good planning and Occupy: Voting Booth on 11/6/12 will get their attention...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:59:24pm |
No surprise here....
Senators who oppose infrastructure spending are putting the rich’s interests first
When the Senate votes later this week on Obama’s plan for new infrastructure spending to create jobs, Democratic aides expect that not a single Republican Senator will vote for it — because it’s paid for by a 0.7 percent surtax on income over $1,000,000 that would impact a tiny minority of Americans.
Dem aides say they also expect a handful of Dem defections when the Rebuild America Jobs Act — whose goal is to create hundreds of thousands of jobs — is voted on this week.
I guess a drum circle is as good of a solution as anything else. We're so fucked.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:59:45pm |
By the way, some people mentioned that on smaller screens, the editing dialog in the Pages Dashboard showed with the bottom row of buttons off screen, and no way to get down to it.
This is fixed now ... if the whole editing dialog won't fit, it has scroll bars to let you get to the rest of it.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:01:40pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
I guess a drum circle is as good of a solution as anything else. We're so fucked.
MBongo sad!!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:02:08pm |
re: #36 oaktree
Maybe good planning and Occupy: Voting Booth on 11/6/12 will get their attention...
Meh. Liberals have pretty much had it with Obama. This is a top rated diary on Dkos today.
Obama on Banking: "Zero credibility. ZERO."
We have a long way to go until the election. The economy might pick up and liberals might get distracted by something else but right now I don't expect a large turnout for Obama if this continues.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:02:32pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
No surprise here...
Senators who oppose infrastructure spending are putting the rich’s interests firstI guess a drum circle is as good of a solution as anything else. We're so fucked.
And, of course, the headline after the vote is predictable "'Bipartisan' rejection of infrastructure spending bill," with wingnuts slapping each on the back about how Democrats are "defecting."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:02:39pm |
re: #38 Charles
Thanks! That was kinda bugging me. (My workaround was to go to fullscreen mode in FF and then move the mouse cursor way down, it would scroll automatically.)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:03:06pm |
re: #38 Charles
By the way, some people mentioned that on smaller screens, the editing dialog in the Pages Dashboard showed with the bottom row of buttons off screen, and no way to get down to it.
This is fixed now ... if the whole editing dialog won't fit, it has scroll bars to let you get to the rest of it.
Nice. It took me a long time to figure out how to resize the screen enough to get that to work.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:03:44pm |
Found another meme, this one about the death of Bin Laden.
They have a Twitter feed for "OBL" in there. It seems that Pro-Libyan Revolution people have found a good arguement for Qaddafi's Death:
Occupationyouth RT @LibyaUnited1944: New Yorker "I hate #Deadaffi but way he was killed is wrong" so I replied "what would u have done if u found #OBL in Manhattan?" #Libya
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:03:48pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
No surprise here...
Senators who oppose infrastructure spending are putting the rich’s interests firstI guess a drum circle is as good of a solution as anything else. We're so fucked.
Good point. That's what I was thinking. Drum circles. Not a population that spends most of it's free time thinking about the Kardashians and watching Twilight.
//
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:06:33pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Meh. Liberals have pretty much had it with Obama. This is a top rated diary on Dkos today.
Obama on Banking: "Zero credibility. ZERO."
We have a long way to go until the election. The economy might pick up and liberals might get distracted by something else but right now I don't expect a large turnout for Obama if this continues.
Getting rather sad that neither party base is overly enthusiastic over their own candidate. Looks like it's up to the mushy middle to once again carry an election.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:07:29pm |
Also new in the Dashboard -- if you've hidden any of your Pages, hover over the word "hidden" and a popup will show the reason you entered when you hid it. (If you entered a reason - it's optional.)
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:08:27pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Meh. Liberals have pretty much had it with Obama. This is a top rated diary on Dkos today.
Obama on Banking: "Zero credibility. ZERO."
We have a long way to go until the election. The economy might pick up and liberals might get distracted by something else but right now I don't expect a large turnout for Obama if this continues.
So you base your future prediction on one DailyKos post? The American people are going to vote according to what's posted there? Let's take a look at a recent Gallup Poll:
New Low of 26% Approve of Obama on the Economy
Ratings on Afghanistan and foreign affairs have also declined
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new low of 26% of Americans approve of President Barack Obama's handling of the economy, down 11 percentage points since Gallup last measured it in mid-May and well below his previous low of 35% in November 2010.
Image: smrx1huede2nra9ekfcpqg.gif
Sorry but Daily Kos has nothing to do with this nor Obama's challenge for 2012.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:09:45pm |
re: #48 Gus 802
I do wonder what people are expecting Obama to do, given the atavistic nature of the GOP right now.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:10:54pm |
re: #48 Gus 802
So you base your future prediction on one DailyKos post? The American people are going to vote according to what's posted there? Let's take a look at a recent Gallup Poll:
New Low of 26% Approve of Obama on the Economy
Ratings on Afghanistan and foreign affairs have also declined
by Lydia SaadImage: smrx1huede2nra9ekfcpqg.gif
Sorry but Daily Kos has nothing to do with this nor Obama's challenge for 2012.
What...how...the poll questions...er, the sampling...er, the timing...er...
///
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:10:58pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Getting rather sad that neither party base is overly enthusiastic over their own candidate. Looks like it's up to the mushy middle to once again carry an election.
A lot of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008. I already spoke to an independent this summer who voted for Obama in 2008 and she said, at the time, that she was interested in Donald Trump. Which illustrates how wide American's are willing to "swing".
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:11:31pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
Good point. That's what I was thinking. Drum circles. Not a population that spends most of it's free time thinking about the Kardashians and watching Twilight.
//
no, they're into cartoons and video games...or serious production killing net posting
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:11:53pm |
re: #50 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What...how...the poll questions...er, the sampling...er, the timing...er...
///
Forget the poll! Let's just look at blog comments to base our predictions. After all. The majority of Americans are on blogs.
//Actually it's a very tiny minority.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:12:27pm |
re: #51 Gus 802
A lot of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008. I already spoke to an independent this summer who voted for Obama in 2008 and she said, at the time, that she was interested in Donald Trump. Which illustrates how wide American's are willing to "swing".
Well, thing is, I considered myself a Republican right up til around last year. Then I stopped, took a good look at what I was supporting, and realized just how far over the deep end the party had gone. Now? I'm a refugee, with no party to truly call my own. And I'm pretty sure I'm part of the growing majority of voters.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:12:35pm |
re: #52 albusteve
no, they're into cartoons and video games...or serious production killing net posting
EVerytime a caps lock key is touched, an angel dies.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:12:45pm |
re: #52 albusteve
no, they're into cartoons and video games...or serious production killing net posting
Actually. Now that you mention it. The number one time waster?
TEXTING!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:13:04pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Getting rather sad that neither party base is overly enthusiastic over their own candidate. Looks like it's up to the mushy middle to once again carry an election.
I think Mitt has a chance. His radical base is just as unenthusiastic as the left's. That leaves it up to swing voters who could go either way depending on press coverage. I'd say it's a toss up.
Cain could tip the table in Obama's favor but I don't think he's going to last much longer.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:13:20pm |
re: #55 Amory Blaine
EVerytime a caps lock key is touched, an angel dies.
Uh oh. I just killed 7 angels.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:14:23pm |
re: #49 ProLifeLiberal
I do wonder what people are expecting Obama to do, given the atavistic nature of the GOP right now.
As scary as it is, I doubt that "people in general" see the atavistic nature of the GOP (or, if they somehow feel it, think it's something worthy of much fuss.)
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:14:30pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, thing is, I considered myself a Republican right up til around last year. Then I stopped, took a good look at what I was supporting, and realized just how far over the deep end the party had gone. Now? I'm a refugee, with no party to truly call my own. And I'm pretty sure I'm part of the growing majority of voters.
Independents are the majority.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:14:43pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm not at all charmed by Obama and the Democrats.
Doesn't fucking matter. The GOP is goddamn insane, and needs to get kicked out of office. The Democrats are corporatist and sludgy, but they at least are in the realm of sanity; they can be reformed, cajoled. Supporting people like Warren can help do that. The GOP has nothing going for it. I do not understand any of the ideological or just plain disenchanted non-voters. In the choice between middling-bad and outright terrible, you really should choose middling bad.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:15:26pm |
re: #57 Killgore Trout
I think Mitt has a chance. His radical base is just as unenthusiastic as the left's. That leaves it up to swing voters who could go either way depending on press coverage. I'd say it's a toss up.
Cain could tip the table in Obama's favor but I don't think he's going to last much longer.
With someone as bland as Romney, it's going to come down to local politics. And on the local level, Republicans have been taking an ass-whipping. Tea Party politics has done a great deal to sour voters on the whole idea.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:16:08pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
The shit sandwich: giant douche conundrum.
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:16:43pm |
OT Just posted a page on the Hacking Culture at the defunct "News of the World." [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:16:48pm |
re: #63 Amory Blaine
The shit sandwich: giant douche conundrum.
We can combine that and call it a giant enema.
//
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:16:51pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
I'm not at all charmed by Obama and the Democrats.
Doesn't fucking matter. The GOP is goddamn insane, and needs to get kicked out of office. The Democrats are corporatist and sludgy, but they at least are in the realm of sanity; they can be reformed, cajoled. Supporting people like Warren can help do that. The GOP has nothing going for it. I do not understand any of the ideological or just plain disenchanted non-voters. In the choice between middling-bad and outright terrible, you really should choose middling bad.
I agree with the general idea, but the mindset of choosing the lesser evil is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth. When you've got two parties who are so far in the pockets of Wall Street that they're not even hiding it anymore, it's time to start talking third party.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:17:23pm |
(Reality check: Year ahead. So much stuff will happen. Speculations not worth an eaten egg.)
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:17:51pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I agree with the general idea, but the mindset of choosing the lesser evil is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth. When you've got two parties who are so far in the pockets of Wall Street that they're not even hiding it anymore, it's time to start talking third party.
ta da!...someone gets it!....
amazing
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:18:14pm |
re: #67 Sergey Romanov
eaten egg?? Do you mean rotten egg?
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:18:17pm |
re: #67 Sergey Romanov
(Reality check: Year ahead. So much stuff will happen. Speculations not worth an eaten egg.)
Heck. The latest excuse is Greece. Greece! Not S&P. Not "In God We Trust." It's Greece!
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:19:27pm |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:19:46pm |
re: #48 Gus 802
So you base your future prediction on one DailyKos post?
It wasn't too long ago that Kilgore was predicting an Obama landslide on nothing more than his gut feeling and I didn't see anyone question him on that!
Just sayin!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:19:49pm |
re: #69 PhillyPretzel
eaten egg?? Do you mean rotten egg?
No. Russian expression, though not fully translatable. Also "empty egg".
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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:19:54pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
In the choice between middling-bad and outright terrible, you really should choose middling bad.
Vote now:
a) chronic migraines and rheumatoid arthritis
b) entrails torn asunder and set ablaze
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:20:16pm |
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:20:26pm |
re: #73 Sergey Romanov
Okay. I just learned something new. Neat.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:20:49pm |
re: #72 sattv4u2
So you base your future prediction on one DailyKos post?
It wasn't too long ago that Kilgore was predicting an Obama landslide on nothing more than his gut feeling and I didn't see anyone question him on that!
Just sayin!
Right. Obama winning in 2008 was a really tough call.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:20:49pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:21:01pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm happy to talk third party, as long as the conversation includes the very real reasons why third parties face an enormous goddamn obstacle in getting off the ground in the US and supporting them usually equates to non-participation.
And the only real way to change that would be to change how we vote in the US, or severely change campaign finance law so that party membership isn't the huge advantage that it already is.
And that would require the support of at least one of the major parties, if not both, making it a rather difficult road to hoe. I think the best chance of that would be in the wake of a splintering of the GOP and/or the Democrats.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:21:18pm |
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:21:47pm |
re: #72 sattv4u2
So you base your future prediction on one DailyKos post?
It wasn't too long ago that Kilgore was predicting an Obama landslide on nothing more than his gut feeling and I didn't see anyone question him on that!
Just sayin!
I did...all the way back to the beginning
if BO can get elected, anybody can
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:21:57pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
Right. Obama winning in 2008 was a really tough call.
No ,,he was predicting a 2012 landslide
(hence the "wasn't too long ago")
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:22:11pm |
re: #79 Obdicut
I'm happy to talk third party, as long as the conversation includes the very real reasons why third parties face an enormous goddamn obstacle in getting off the ground in the US and supporting them usually equates to non-participation.
And the only real way to change that would be to change how we vote in the US, or severely change campaign finance law so that party membership isn't the huge advantage that it already is.
And that would require the support of at least one of the major parties, if not both, making it a rather difficult road to hoe. I think the best chance of that would be in the wake of a splintering of the GOP and/or the Democrats.
So, to break the backbone of corporate politics, we have to get one or both of the corporate parties onboard. Gee, it doesn't sound that difficult once you explain it like that.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:22:37pm |
re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
...should I be worried?
depends on your wealth status and what you do for a living...I'd hunker down if I were you
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:24:03pm |
re: #85 albusteve
depends on your wealth status and what you do for a living...I'd hunker down if I were you
I'll start building the ark, you gather the animals.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:24:16pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:24:45pm |
re: #82 sattv4u2
No ,,he was predicting a 2012 landslide
(hence the "wasn't too long ago")
Oh. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I'm a political realist. Obama's got serious problems in 2012. They even admit at such internally.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:25:12pm |
re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, to break the backbone of corporate politics, we have to get one or both of the corporate parties onboard. Gee, it doesn't sound that difficult once you explain it like that.
Nearly impossible. But there's no alternative other than total collapse and/or revolution.
For transparencies sake, I've done actual work for a third party, the Working Families Party. I encourage anyone interested in how 'third party' groups can actually affect elections. It is not, in the main, by actually running candidates in national elections, but by supporting the candidates inside the larger party who most closely adhere to their philosophy.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:25:38pm |
re: #38 Charles
By the way, some people mentioned that on smaller screens, the editing dialog in the Pages Dashboard showed with the bottom row of buttons off screen, and no way to get down to it.
This is fixed now ... if the whole editing dialog won't fit, it has scroll bars to let you get to the rest of it.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. :) Seriously, after last night I greatly appreciate this bit of coding.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:25:57pm |
re: #87 Sergey Romanov
So did MJ. And how it all ended?
heh,,, funny you should ask
We've been feeding his Doctors trial to various news outlets for a couple of weeks now
Some of the testimony is interesting, actually
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:26:11pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
Oh. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I'm a political realist. Obama's got serious problems in 2012. They even admit at such internally.
n/p
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:27:01pm |
But we're looking at almost one year from today. Consider that the Iowa caucus is also 2 months away and the GOP has gone through several "front runners" without anyone casting a real vote yet. Straw polls are practically worthless. And the last result from the GOP Iowa caucus had Mike Huckabee as the GOP superhero. History tells the rest of the story.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:27:08pm |
re: #89 Obdicut
Nearly impossible. But there's no alternative other than total collapse and/or revolution.
For transparencies sake, I've done actual work for a third party, the Working Families Party. I encourage anyone interested in how 'third party' groups can actually affect elections. It is not, in the main, by actually running candidates in national elections, but by supporting the candidates inside the larger party who most closely adhere to their philosophy.
Wouldn't that mean that the Tea Party is a legitimate third party, rather than a cancerous growth upon the Republican Party, considering I've heard more than a few wingnuts tell me that they're "working from the inside"?
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:27:12pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'll start building the ark, you gather the animals.
I'm safe, but it took almost five years to do it....good luck
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:27:35pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:27:43pm |
That's all we heard about in early 2008: Huckabee, Huckabee, Huckabee.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:28:06pm |
re: #93 Gus 802
But we're looking at almost one year from today. Consider that the Iowa caucus is also 2 months away and the GOP has gone through several "front runners" without anyone casting a real vote yet. Straw polls are practically worthless. And the last result from the GOP Iowa caucus had Mike Huckabee as the GOP superhero. History tells the rest of the story.
I was actually wondering the other day if Huck's kicking himself right now for leaving so soon. He'd have been an absolute shoe-in right now against Romney.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:28:53pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
Oh. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I'm a political realist. Obama's got serious problems in 2012. They even admit at such internally.
really?...last time I posted that I was laughed off because I didn't produce credible links
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:28:56pm |
re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
However, for Third Party to be viable, it has to start at the Grass Roots, that is to say the Local Level.
The Green Party, Libertarian Party, and Constitution Party are nothing more then a bunch of people wanting attention. Nader is a good example.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:29:39pm |
re: #93 Gus 802
Nobody learns from recent history. ;)
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:31:27pm |
Imagine being a black person casting your vote back in the early 1900s. Neither party favored full integration, but the Democrats of that day were doing everything they could to prevent black people from voting and the Republicans were actually appointing black people to government positions.
Must it have stung to vote for a Republican even knowing that they weren't going to fight for full integration? Probably. Was it still a damn sight better than voting for the fully segregationist, anti-black Democrats? Abso-fucking-lutely.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:32:43pm |
re: #99 albusteve
really?...last time I posted that I was laughed off because I didn't produce credible links
I kind of got brushed off when I mentioned the generic polling data. Even from Gallup who I consider a respectable outfit. Anyway, that's more of a personal response and I just bit my tongue. There was a time not to long ago when things were a little more positive. The debt ceiling debacle and the S&P downgrade changed everything. And the House Republicans since then have proven to be a formidable challenge regardless if we disagree with them.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:32:56pm |
re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wouldn't that mean that the Tea Party is a legitimate third party, rather than a cancerous growth upon the Republican Party, considering I've heard more than a few wingnuts tell me that they're "working from the inside"?
Well, I don't know what you mean by 'legitimate', but sure. I have no quarrel with the goal of the Tea Party to reform the GOP. What I have a quarrel with-- an outright cat-fighting tussle with-- is the image of the GOP they want to transform it into.
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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:33:15pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
Huckabee, Huckabee, Huckabee.
Pardons for rapists, pardons for cop-killers, and forcing people to listen to pseudo-historian David Barton at gunpoint.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:34:56pm |
[Link: m.npr.org...]
Just bawled my eyes out on the drive home, listening to this NPR story about the Darkhorse battalion in Afghanistan.
Amazing, and so fucking sad.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:35:35pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
The GOP strategy of denying Obama any possible victory, any possible success he can claim credit for, is hurting the nation terribly but is also hurting Obama. It's a successful political tactic, but it's so damaging to the country I don't see how on earth they think it's worth it. I am also unsure as to the extent that people are going to not blame the GOP-- polls certainly show that they do.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:36:00pm |
re: #96 Sergey Romanov
Such as, in a couple of words?
Sorry
It's mostly been the interplay between the prosecuting attorney and the two of the "expert" witnesses (both doctors) for the defense
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:36:08pm |
And the House GOP is going to do everything in their power to wreck the president's chances. Don't expect any cooperation from them at all. So if this jobs bill truly could work? The Republicans won't let it pass. Even if it means sacrificing this nation for another year.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:36:29pm |
re: #107 Obdicut
The GOP strategy of denying Obama any possible victory, any possible success he can claim credit for, is hurting the nation terribly but is also hurting Obama. It's a successful political tactic, but it's so damaging to the country I don't see how on earth they think it's worth it. I am also unsure to the extent that people are going to not blame the GOP-- polls certainly show that they do.
Yep. Was just finishing my #109.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:36:38pm |
re: #102 Obdicut
Imagine being a black person casting your vote back in the early 1900s. Neither party favored full integration, but the Democrats of that day were doing everything they could to prevent black people from voting and the Republicans were actually appointing black people to government positions.
Must it have stung to vote for a Republican even knowing that they weren't going to fight for full integration? Probably. Was it still a damn sight better than voting for the fully segregationist, anti-black Democrats? Abso-fucking-lutely.
Hard to imagine that Republican Party today, isn't it?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:37:16pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
That's all we heard about in early 2008: Huckabee, Huckabee, Huckabee.
Hell ,, remember 2004
DEAN DEAN DEAN
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:37:55pm |
re: #99 albusteve
really?...last time I posted that I was laughed off because I didn't produce credible links
Thats because it was ,.,,,
welll,,,
YOU!!!
//
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:37:59pm |
re: #112 sattv4u2
Hell ,, remember 2004
DEAN DEAN DEAN
Him too. He was more like the left wing version of Ron Paul though. In many ways. Right now he's a "Big Pharma" consultant from what I understand.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:38:43pm |
re: #114 Gus 802
Him too. He was more like the left wing version of Ron Paul though. In many ways. Right now he's a "Big Pharma" consultant from what I understand.
Yes, but the point was, the early poll leader,,, the new 'darling",, etc
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:39:21pm |
re: #107 Obdicut
The GOP strategy of denying Obama any possible victory, any possible success he can claim credit for, is hurting the nation terribly but is also hurting Obama. It's a successful political tactic, but it's so damaging to the country I don't see how on earth they think it's worth it. I am also unsure to the extent that people are going to not blame the GOP-- polls certainly show that they do.
The polls have been showing in the last few weeks and months that the GOP's "scorched earth" policy is working against them. Was told about a poll that I need to hunt down that stated that support for the repeal of "Obamacare" is down to 25%, despite the best efforts of the GOP to portray it as "socialism."
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:39:24pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
I kind of got brushed off when I mentioned the generic polling data. Even from Gallup who I consider a respectable outfit. Anyway, that's more of a personal response and I just bit my tongue. There was a time not to long ago when things were a little more positive. The debt ceiling debacle and the S&P downgrade changed everything. And the House Republicans since then have proven to be a formidable challenge regardless if we disagree with them.
I don't like BO but he's the man and I do not want him to fail....the crazed right is all out of proportion, the left is stunned and the executive meanders around dodging fire....it's a mess and anybody that ever thought BO would be safe in this enviro is either way idealistic or just no shit partisan
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:40:11pm |
re: #112 sattv4u2
Hell ,, remember 2004
DEAN DEAN DEAN
Ah, Howie "I Have A Scream" Dean, how long it's been. Such good memories.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:40:59pm |
re: #115 sattv4u2
Yes, but the point was, the early poll leader,,, the new 'darling",, etc
Yeehaa! He did well in polling but really poorly in the primaries. He was though quite the media darling. He talks a lot.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:42:04pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:42:45pm |
The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money culture
Howard Dean has long cultivated an image as the plainspoken doctor who speaks for the left wing of the Democratic Party, a role he still plays as a pugnacious pundit on TV. But since his term as chairman of the Democratic National Committee ended in January 2009, Dr. Dean has taken on a less-noticed role: paid advocate for interest groups that would find few fans among the progressive voters once energized by Dean’s 2004 presidential bid.
Dean may not be the worst of the “buckrakers,” those prototypical capital characters who exploit their name and connections without regard for principle. But his recent political forays seem to have diverged from his trailblazing left-liberal past.
As senior strategic advisor at McKenna Long & Aldridge, a heavyweight Washington lobbying firm, Dean played a prominent role representing the biotech industry during the healthcare bill debate, staking out a position on biopharmaceutical drugs that was decried by consumer groups.
...
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palomino Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:42:56pm |
re: #117 albusteve
I don't like BO but he's the man and I do not want him to fail...the crazed right is all out of proportion, the left is stunned and the executive meanders around dodging fire...it's a mess and anybody that ever thought BO would be safe in this enviro is either way idealistic or just no shit partisan
And the gop has now set the precedent likely to be followed by Dems if a Repub wins the WH in 2012. Dems won't forget the over the top obstructionism of the GOP, and will be happy to repay the favor, neutering a Pres. Romney any chance they get. Our govt is more dysfunctional at this point than any in the last century.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:42:59pm |
re: #120 Gus 802
Yeehaa! He did well in polling but really poorly in the primaries. He was though quite the media darling. He talks a lot.
iirc (too lazy to google) but didn't he win the Iowa straw poll!?!?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:43:33pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:43:41pm |
re: #124 sattv4u2
iirc (too lazy to google) but didn't he win the Iowa straw poll!?!?
I'd have to Google as well.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:44:13pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
Oh. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I'm a political realist. Obama's got serious problems in 2012. They even admit at such internally.
Yes, he does. I think that is why they are targeting Romney at such an early stage.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:44:46pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Cthulhu '12: Why Choose The Lesser Evil?
Kermit has experience being green, Cthulhu has a far narrower focus - armaments.
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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:44:50pm |
re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ah, Howie "I Have A Scream" Dean
Isn't it amazing how that scream dominated the news on a practically non-stop loop, while Perry's giggly-jiggly I-luv-maple-syrup montage hasn't been featured on the "non-partisan" evening news shows at all?
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:45:14pm |
re: #127 prairiefire
Yes, he does. I think that is why they are targeting Romney at such an early stage.
Correct. They and in many ways some of us. There's a reason why we go after guys like Perry and Cain.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:45:26pm |
re: #123 palomino
And the gop has now set the precedent likely to be followed by Dems if a Repub wins the WH in 2012. Dems won't forget the over the top obstructionism of the GOP, and will be happy to repay the favor, neutering a Pres. Romney any chance they get. Our govt is more dysfunctional at this point than any in the last century.
Thing is, I don't see the sort of moderating personality in Romney that Bush had in the day, so a Tea Party/Republican Congress might be crazy enough to make a bid at abolishing the filibuster, or at least effectively neutering it.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:45:46pm |
re: #123 palomino
And the gop has now set the precedent likely to be followed by Dems if a Repub wins the WH in 2012. Dems won't forget the over the top obstructionism of the GOP, and will be happy to repay the favor, neutering a Pres. Romney any chance they get. Our govt is more dysfunctional at this point than any in the last century.
exactly...the responsibility of serving is re-election...governing is secondary
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:45:50pm |
re: #130 Gus 802
Correct. They and in many ways some of us. There's a reason why we go after guys like Perry and Cain.
Perry and Cain are low hanging fruit.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:45:59pm |
re: #122 Gus 802
The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money culture
I don't know why people label him as any sort of a liberal leader or firebrand. His reaction to Park51 was extremely illustrative.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:46:56pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
And the House GOP is going to do everything in their power to wreck the president's chances. Don't expect any cooperation from them at all. So if this jobs bill truly could work? The Republicans won't let it pass. Even if it means sacrificing this nation for another year.
Omg I'm thinking if Romney gets the nod, who in the he'll will he appt for VP?
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:47:22pm |
re: #133 prairiefire
Perry and Cain are low hanging fruit.
That's what happens with boxers, tidy whities support the fruit much better.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:48:05pm |
re: #122 Gus 802
The seduction of Howard Dean
The liberal firebrand succumbs to Washington's money culture
His Dad was the Dean in "Morgan Stanley Dean Witter". Hardly insulated from monied influence in the first place.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:48:28pm |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
Omg I'm thinking if Romney gets the nod, who in the he'll will he appt for VP?
What makes you think he'll have a say in it? Especially if the nomination is contested going into the convention, I expect that his vice president will be picked for him. And, once again, it'll be from the mixed bag of "true conservative" candidates.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:48:52pm |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
Omg I'm thinking if Romney gets the nod, who in the he'll will he appt for VP?
Romney/Albusteve 2012!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:49:20pm |
re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What makes you think he'll have a say in it? Especially if the nomination is contested going into the convention, I expect that his vice president will be picked for him. And, once again, it'll be from the mixed bag of "true conservative" candidates.
If it's a Perry or Cain independents and moderates bolt in a heartbeat.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:49:51pm |
re: #137 wozzablog
His Dad was the Dean in "Morgan Stanley Dean Witter". Hardly insulated from monied influence in the first place.
just another fake...they are all over the place
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:50:32pm |
re: #133 prairiefire
Perry and Cain are low hanging fruit.
That changes daily. We won't know until the final vote is counted next year. I still can't figure out what will happen with Romney because the anti-Mormon contingent is very vast within the base. They still have a hard time accepting Mormonism.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:50:38pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:50:48pm |
I'm not going to be able to break the seriousness of this thread am I?
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bratwurst Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:50:58pm |
re: #129 publicityStunted
Isn't it amazing how that scream dominated the news on a practically non-stop loop, while Perry's giggly-jiggly I-luv-maple-syrup montage hasn't been featured on the "non-partisan" evening news shows at all?
That is why I keep saying that this Cain scandal has benefited nobody more than Rick Perry. Not only did his bizarre behavior escape serious scrutiny, he has a chance to reclaim his position in the race as THE anti-Romney candidate.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:50:59pm |
re: #142 albusteve
just another fake...they are all over the place
He never was a liberal firebrand, it's like Obama - people have chosen to see what they want to see.
He was an oppositionalist and liberals got on board with him.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:51:14pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:51:30pm |
re: #145 b_sharp
I'm not going to be able to break the seriousness of this thread am I?
Too late. I did that already. I mentioned Palin.
//
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:51:33pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:51:58pm |
re: #143 Gus 802
That changes daily. We won't know until the final vote is counted next year. I still can't figure out what will happen with Romney because the anti-Mormon contingent is very vast within the base. They still have a hard time accepting Mormonism.
If even Pat Robertson thinks Romney is a great Christian, a large chunk of ueberwingnuts may ignore this factor (hold the nose).
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:52:21pm |
re: #150 Gus 802
Too late. I did that already. I mentioned Palin.
//
That's such a cheap laugh though.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:52:30pm |
re: #140 wozzablog
If it's a Perry or Cain independents and moderates bolt in a heartbeat.
Personally, I think the final choice will likely be from the short list of Republican governors who aren't quietly worried about an angry mob showing up on their front lawns. Probably somebody seen as solidly "socially conservative," i.e. so anally retentive that their eyes have turned brown.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:53:00pm |
re: #129 publicityStunted
Isn't it amazing how that scream dominated the news on a practically non-stop loop, while Perry's giggly-jiggly I-luv-maple-syrup montage hasn't been featured on the "non-partisan" evening news shows at all?
Eh, they don't give a fuck these days. Liberal media my ass. The DNC had bettah use the footage of the compromised dimwit from Texas.
Bigger story, how he became a multi-millionaire via govt jobs.
Crooked as crooked comes.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:54:07pm |
re: #155 Stanley Sea
Eh, they don't give a fuck these days. Liberal media my ass. The DNC had bettah use the footage of the compromised dimwit from Texas.
Bigger story, how he became a multi-millionaire via govt jobs.
Crooked as crooked comes.
heh, heh... you said ass... heh, heh.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:54:54pm |
re: #143 Gus 802
Yeah. That's a massive wild card. Romney has been carefully-- and, I think, shamefully-- playing down his Mormonism. Even when he talked at the conference where he made his little slap at the AFA guy, he never even mentioned the name of his own religion, never said "I'm a Mormon".
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:55:58pm |
I quit. If I make any more amphibolous statements, I'll break something.
Who has the bong?
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:56:04pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
Yeah. That's a massive wild card. Romney has been carefully-- and, I think, shamefully-- playing down his Mormonism. Even when he talked at the conference where he made his little slap at the AFA guy, he never even mentioned the name of his own religion, never said "I'm a Mormon".
It has me still wondering. We see the anti-Mormonism almost daily.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:57:09pm |
re: #152 Sergey Romanov
If even Pat Robertson thinks Romney is a great Christian, a large chunk of ueberwingnuts may ignore this factor (hold the nose).
Pat Robertson is less "Christian" than I am, he invests in Liberian diamond mines and has a TV network that hypnotizes dumb people, his god is green paper, baby
If it'll make Pat Robertson money or grant him power to befriend Romney, that's what he'll do, once upon a time he ran for president, he knows how the game is played
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:57:44pm |
re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Personally, I think the final choice will likely be from the short list of Republican governors who aren't quietly worried about an angry mob showing up on their front lawns. Probably somebody seen as solidly "socially conservative," i.e. so anally retentive that their eyes have turned brown.
I predicted, and have not ruled out some offbeat nominee...still time but it would have to be soon
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:57:53pm |
re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What makes you think he'll have a say in it? Especially if the nomination is contested going into the convention, I expect that his vice president will be picked for him. And, once again, it'll be from the mixed bag of "true conservative" candidates.
Beyond scary our politics. Hopefully another sister Sarah. Nickki Haley?
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:58:05pm |
re: #158 b_sharp
I quit. If I make any more amphibolous statements, I'll break something.
Who has the bong?
*toke* *toke* *cough* No, "999" still doesn't make any sense.
//
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:59:16pm |
re: #162 Stanley Sea
Beyond scary our politics. Hopefully another sister Sarah. Nickki Haley?
Nah, O'Donnell. We must have a VP who is anti-witch!
//
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:59:20pm |
i figure romney will win the primaries just like mccain did after also having been counted out as too moderate
then the wingnuts will sigh and generate copious amounts of rationalization about how kenyan muslim socialism must be defeated at all costs
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 5:59:27pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
Pat Robertson is less "Christian" than I am, he invests in Liberian diamond mines and has a TV network that hypnotizes dumb people, his god is green paper, baby
If it'll make Pat Robertson money or grant him power to befriend Romney, that's what he'll do, once upon a time he ran for president, he knows how the game is played
You got a point there.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:00:10pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
Pat Robertson is less "Christian" than I am, he invests in Liberian diamond mines and has a TV network that hypnotizes dumb people, his god is green paper, baby
If it'll make Pat Robertson money or grant him power to befriend Romney, that's what he'll do, once upon a time he ran for president, he knows how the game is played
"Here's $500,000, now say I'm Christian enough for the rubes."
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:01:31pm |
re: #165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Nah, O'Donnell. We must have a VP who is anti-witch!
//
Witch trials for the win. Winning!!1!
(I've heavily invested in stake factories)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:02:12pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
Yeah. That's a massive wild card. Romney has been carefully-- and, I think, shamefully-- playing down his Mormonism. Even when he talked at the conference where he made his little slap at the AFA guy, he never even mentioned the name of his own religion, never said "I'm a Mormon".
Infuriates me. I'm not a Romney fan, but it is shameful to see a candidate struggle like this against open bigotry against his faith.
If he'd punched one of these dudes out, I would contribute to the defense fund.
If God forbid, he ever becomes president, I hope he takes his oath on the Book of Mormon. Those sneerers and carriers-on can suck it.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:02:34pm |
re: #166 engineer dog
then the wingnuts will sigh and generate copious amounts of rationalization about how kenyan muslim socialism must be defeated at all costs
Agree that this will continue to be the political rallying cry for the wingnuts, especially after the nomination.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:02:42pm |
re: #169 b_sharp
Witch trials for the win. Winning!!1!
(I've heavily invested in stake factories)
Medium rare, please
And I'll have the baked potato, and a side salad!
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:03:15pm |
re: #164 Stanley Sea
State Dinner invites? Easy. Fuck yeah.
I'd set up stands and bars across the Oval and have blues and RR gigs on weekends...WHstock, moshin the Rose Garden....that sort of thing
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:03:25pm |
re: #165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Nah, O'Donnell. We must have a VP who is anti-witch!
//
O'Donnell is a very pretty woman. And she's not a witch.
I think her political usefulness solely consists of those two points.
It's not enough for a VP slot.
| 175 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:03:34pm |
re: #172 sattv4u2
Medium rare, please
And I'll have the baked potato, and a side salad!
And your salad dressing?
| 176 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:03:38pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
I hope he surprises everyone and takes the oath on the Koran.////
| 177 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:04:08pm |
re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist
O'Donnell is a very pretty woman. And she's not a witch.
I think her political usefulness solely consists of those two points.
It's not enough for a VP slot.
I think we're forgetting the usefulness of the GOP's last offering.
| 178 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:04:31pm |
re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist
O'Donnell is a very pretty woman. And she's not a witch.
I think her political usefulness solely consists of those two points.
It's not enough for a VP slot.
O'Donnell is a crazed creationist, isn't she?
| 179 |
Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:04:43pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it shows just how deeply ingrained bigotry is in this country. It isn't just about race or gender.
| 180 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:05:48pm |
Notice the trend tho. The two most reasonable Republican candidates are Mormons.
| 181 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:05:55pm |
re: #175 b_sharp
And your salad dressing?
Let my salad dress itself ,, i'm having enough trouble with this bothersome cumbersome cumber bun!
| 182 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:06:52pm |
re: #180 Sergey Romanov
Notice the trend tho. The two most reasonable Republican candidates are Mormons.
If he picked Huntsman as VP I really think the evangelicals would revolt.
| 183 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:06:59pm |
re: #176 Sergey Romanov
I hope he surprises everyone and takes the oath on the Koran.///
As the minarets grow out of the Mall?
We already had some carrying on about that, year ago, when Keith Ellison swore in on Jefferson's Koran.
| 184 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:07:27pm |
re: #180 Sergey Romanov
Notice the trend tho. The two most reasonable Republican candidates are Mormons.
As is the Majority Leader of the Senate
| 185 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:07:37pm |
re: #180 Sergey Romanov
Notice the trend tho. The two most reasonable Republican candidates are Mormons.
The further they get away from the evangelical base the saner they are.
| 186 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:07:52pm |
re: #179 Firstinla
I think it shows just how deeply ingrained bigotry is in this country. It isn't just about race or gender.
Sorry, but I'm strongly bigoted against any creationist attempting to force anti-science into science.
| 187 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:03pm |
re: #177 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I think we're forgetting the usefulness of the GOP's last offering.
Different race, and Palin was a state governor then. She was also easier to build a little legend for.
| 188 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:05pm |
re: #179 Firstinla
I think it shows just how deeply ingrained bigotry is in this country. It isn't just about race or gender.
not sure what it means nationally...I'm sure plenty of people would be appalled by such brazen bigotry but not too many people pay attention....the country is run by just a relative few people
| 189 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:34pm |
| 190 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:47pm |
re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist
Different race, and Palin was a state governor then. She was also easier to build a little legend for.
True, it tends to be easier to work with an empty canvas.
| 191 |
albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:48pm |
re: #182 Obdicut
If he picked Huntsman as VP I really think the evangelicals would revolt.
they're revolting anyway
| 192 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:08:58pm |
re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist
As the minarets grow out of the Mall?
We already had some carrying on about that, year ago, when Keith Ellison swore in on Jefferson's Koran.
Only Nixon could go to China. Only Romney can finally institute Sharia.//
| 193 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:10:09pm |
re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably. But not a witch.
Does she have any stakes in burning witches?
(edit: much better joke)
| 194 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:10:28pm |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
Only Nixon could go to China. Only Romney can finally institute Sharia.//
Only you can prevent a forest fire
| 195 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:10:55pm |
re: #193 b_sharp
Does she have any stakes in promoting witchcraft?
There you go with the stakes again'
Can't we have fish instead??
| 196 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:11:28pm |
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albusteve Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:11:33pm |
| 198 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:11:44pm |
re: #184 sattv4u2
As is the Majority Leader of the Senate
To be perfectly fair, so is Glenn Beck, so whatever they're doing doesn't always work.
| 199 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:11:57pm |
| 200 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:11:58pm |
| 201 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:12:01pm |
re: #195 sattv4u2
There you go with the stakes again'
Can't we have fish instead??
Only if it's breaded first.
| 202 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:12:46pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
To be perfectly fair, so is Glenn Beck, so whatever they're doing doesn't always work.
Converts don't count./
| 203 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:12:50pm |
re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Only if it's breaded first.
Well, of COURSE they were bred 1st!!
| 204 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:13:18pm |
| 205 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:13:24pm |
re: #195 sattv4u2
There you go with the stakes again'
Can't we have fish instead??
Sure, how about a Longhorn Cowfish?
| 207 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:14:42pm |
re: #205 b_sharp
Sure, how about a Longhorn Cowfish?
And right on cue, I swear to God,,, Animal Planet started a Longhorn Steakhouse commercial right when you posted that
| 208 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:15:32pm |
re: #207 sattv4u2
And right on cue, I swear to God,,, Animal Planet started a Longhorn Steakhouse commercial right when you posted that
Strong Karma.
| 209 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:15:57pm |
Report from the Oakland General Strike--a friend writes "My very politically correct firm is giving us the option not to come in."
| 210 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:16:04pm |
re: #206 b_sharp
Save a tree, bang a beaver!
Response options:
a) Sorry, not tonight.
b) No you.
c) Tonight, you.
d) All of the above.
| 211 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:16:18pm |
re: #180 Sergey Romanov
Notice the trend tho. The two most reasonable Republican candidates are Mormons.
That's what makes Romney the most formidable candidate -- his reasonableness. Now I know many would argue that he is not reasonable but that's how most people including myself read into it. The key in the general election is attracting independent voters and Romney can do that that. Adding to the weirdness factor here is that I know a lot of liberals that feel "we can live with a Romney."
| 212 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:16:26pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
To be perfectly fair, so is Glenn Beck, so whatever they're doing doesn't always work.
Beck's a convert though, the Adam Gadahn of Mormonism.
| 213 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:16:45pm |
It's cute how the entire right wing blogosphere all jumps on the same story at once, like the world's largest chorus line of attack dogs.
Tonight, it's the "OWS rape-a-thon" story.
| 214 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:17:18pm |
re: #210 Sergey Romanov
Response options:
a) Sorry, not tonight.
b) No you.
c) Tonight, you.
d) All of the above.
e) SMACK!
| 215 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:17:32pm |
| 216 |
Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:17:42pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
Infuriates me. I'm not a Romney fan, but it is shameful to see a candidate struggle like this against open bigotry against his faith.
If he'd punched one of these dudes out, I would contribute to the defense fund.
If God forbid, he ever becomes president, I hope he takes his oath on the Book of Mormon. Those sneerers and carriers-on can suck it.
You know, in my immensely uneducated view, I think that's why he chose Massachucets. They were not going to re-live the Kennedy catholic Bs.
I'm on iPhone, lame spellcheck/capitiation. Cept for iPhone.
| 217 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:17:42pm |
re: #213 Charles
Is that the event from several days ago, or is this a new case?
| 218 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:17:57pm |
re: #213 Charles
It's cute how the entire right wing blogosphere all jumps on the same story at once, like the world's largest chorus line of attack dogs.
Tonight, it's the "OWS rape-a-thon" story.
Does that mean all lefties are active or aspiring rapists?
| 219 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:18:31pm |
re: #212 goddamnedfrank
Beck's a convert though, the Adam Gadahn of Mormonism.
Except that Adam Gadahn promotes an extreme form of Islam, while Beck hardly seems to remember being a Mormon half the time.
| 221 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:19:04pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
Except that Adam Gadahn promotes an extreme form of Islam, while Beck hardly seems to remember being a Mormon half the time.
Also, you know, not promoting terrorism, that too.
| 222 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:19:22pm |
I wonder if all these "OWS rapist sexual abusers" stories are a conscious reaction to what's going on with the right wing's Racism Inoculation Token, Herman Cain.
| 223 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:20:20pm |
re: #222 Charles
I wonder if all these "OWS rapist sexual abusers" stories are a conscious reaction to what's going on with the right wing's Racism Inoculation Token, Herman Cain.
I don't imagine you have to wonder.
| 224 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:20:34pm |
re: #222 Charles
I wonder if all these "OWS rapist sexual abusers" stories are a conscious reaction to what's going on with the right wing's Racism Inoculation Token, Herman Cain.
Oh, I doubt it. Sex scandals sell well.
| 225 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:21:42pm |
re: #213 Charles
It's cute how the entire right wing blogosphere all jumps on the same story at once, like the world's largest chorus line of attack dogs.
Tonight, it's the "OWS rape-a-thon" story.
Truly pathetic. Rape, sexual assault, is not an ideologically dependent crime. And we still don't even know the full extent of the allegations and rumors. Now I'm thinking about the false reports from Katrina (thinking large crowds here); Operation Tailhook; the Air Force Academy scandals; and of course the Catholic Church sex abuse. Speaking for myself I go out of my way never to generalize about the associated groups based on these incidents.
| 226 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:21:59pm |
re: #222 Charles
I wonder if all these "OWS rapist sexual abusers" stories are a conscious reaction to what's going on with the right wing's Racism Inoculation Token, Herman Cain.
Seems to a common tactic of the Right. "Yeah, that's bad, but...WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!" Or, as it's known in professional circles, the "McFly Dodge."
| 227 |
Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:23:17pm |
With absolutely no evidence that this is so, I would imagine most rapists and other abusers would put themselves in the category of social conservatives. Kind of like the rent-a-boy types.
| 228 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:25:17pm |
re: #227 Firstinla
With absolutely no evidence that this is so, I would imagine most rapists and other abusers would put themselves in the category of social conservatives. Kind of like the rent-a-boy types.
In a Herman Cain thread you must preface that with "I don't have the facts to back this up........"
| 230 |
Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:26:51pm |
Excellent advice! As I've said before, I've learned at lot around here.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:26:56pm |
re: #227 Firstinla
With absolutely no evidence that this is so, I would imagine most rapists and other abusers would put themselves in the category of social conservatives. Kind of like the rent-a-boy types.
That's something you shouldn't speculate about unless you have evidence.
| 232 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:28:04pm |
My (admittedly jaundiced) opinion of these rape stories is that they are being used as the shiny bobble; they are the "hey, look over there" tools for those who don't want to address the underlying issues behind the concerns over financing and wealth and social disparity.
The right wing needs a new bogeyman because the Obama-as-Mancurian-Candidate just doesn't grip anymore simply because after 3 years in office President Obama has turned out (to the chagrin of real progressives) to be a pretty middle-of-the-road manager type without anything nasty coming up for all the digging into his background or any serious scandal in office.
So, OWS will fill in as the bogeyman for now.
| 233 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:28:24pm |
On the page about the MS Birth Control law, someone said this:
What about condoms, for diseases. It's gonna give the phrase "Mississippi Burning" a whole new meaning.
I am cringing.
| 235 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:30:02pm |
| 236 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:30:06pm |
| 237 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:30:36pm |
re: #233 ProLifeLiberal
On the page about the MS Birth Control law, someone said this:
I am cringing.
Has anybody started singing "Every Sperm Is Sacred" yet?
| 238 |
palomino Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:30:49pm |
re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thing is, I don't see the sort of moderating personality in Romney that Bush had in the day, so a Tea Party/Republican Congress might be crazy enough to make a bid at abolishing the filibuster, or at least effectively neutering it.
l don't think there's really much that a GOTP congress can do, unless they get to the magical number of 60 in the Senate. The true height of hypocrisy would be the gop abolishing the filibuster after using it more times over the last 3 years than ever before in our history. At that point, you can't even make a consistent argument, no matter how hard you spin. Your only defense of abolishing the filibuster would be "we're doing it to save the country" or some b.s. like that. Otherwise, just IOKIYAR.
Romney showed a lot of willingness to moderate and compromise with the heavily Dem MA Legislature. Of course that was a lifetime ago and a million miles ideologically/culturally from the fanatics he'll be dealing with in this Congress.
| 239 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:31:00pm |
| 240 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:31:31pm |
re: #237 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No, not yet.
| 241 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:31:51pm |
re: #237 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Has anybody started singing "Every Sperm Is Sacred" yet?
I'm humming it.
| 242 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:31:53pm |
re: #227 Firstinla
With absolutely no evidence that this is so, I would imagine most rapists and other abusers would put themselves in the category of social conservatives. Kind of like the rent-a-boy types.
Oh, having spent enough of my time in left-wing circles, I would tend to doubt this. :(
| 243 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:32:10pm |
| 244 |
Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:32:50pm |
re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, having spent enough of my time in left-wing circles, I would tend to doubt this. :(
Then I apologize for my presumption.
| 245 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:33:04pm |
re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, having spent enough of my time in left-wing circles, I would tend to doubt this. :(
If rapists have anything in common, it's that they are sick.
| 246 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:33:31pm |
re: #238 palomino
l don't think there's really much that a GOTP congress can do, unless they get to the magical number of 60 in the Senate. The true height of hypocrisy would be the gop abolishing the filibuster after using it more times over the last 3 years than ever before in our history. At that point, you can't even make a consistent argument, no matter how hard you spin. Your only defense of abolishing the filibuster would be "we're doing it to save the country" or some b.s. like that. Otherwise, just IOKIYAR.
Romney showed a lot of willingness to moderate and compromise with the heavily Dem MA Legislature. Of course that was a lifetime ago and a million miles ideologically/culturally from the fanatics he'll be dealing with in this Congress.
I've seen suggestions on how the filibuster might be effectively rendered powerless, including the infamous "nuclear option." And a Tea Party Congress stuck behind the brick wall might be more willing to throw caution to the wind and blast it apart with nitroglycerin, assuming that folks will be so happy with whatever they put into place that they'll not have to worry about being returned to minority status.
| 247 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:34:43pm |
re: #241 b_sharp
I'm humming it.
Is that what you kids are calling it nowa,,,,,
hey ,, wait ,, thats what it's ALWAYS been called !!
nevahmind!!!
//
| 248 |
Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:35:23pm |
The lights blinked off and on a couple times and I get the double post. WTF?
| 249 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:36:14pm |
re: #248 Firstinla
The lights blinked off and on a couple times and I get the double post. WTF?
2012 approaches
The Mayans are RIGHT!!
| 250 |
avanti Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:36:20pm |
Herman Cane says China trying to get nukes. Really ???
HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.
And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.
| 251 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:36:37pm |
re: #248 Firstinla
The lights blinked off and on a couple times and I get the double post. WTF?
Delayed Halloween reaction.
It happens in blue states.
| 252 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:37:09pm |
Apparently, the Carrier that will replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower will be named the...
William Howard Taft (CVN-80)
Facepalm.
(I like Ike (the President) by the way)
| 253 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:37:23pm |
re: #250 avanti
he means a nuke powered aircraft carrier, iirc
(heard him somewhere talking about the same thing)
| 254 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:37:39pm |
re: #250 avanti
Herman Cane says China trying to get nukes. Really ???
HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.
And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.
What decade does he live in?
| 255 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:38:10pm |
re: #250 avanti
Herman Cane says China trying to get nukes. Really ???
HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.
And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.
...I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry that this man is the GOP front-runner.
| 256 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:38:23pm |
re: #252 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, the Carrier that will replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower will be named the...
William Howard Taft
Facepalm.(I like Ike (the President) by the way)
Well, , he was as BIG as one!!
| 257 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:39:03pm |
re: #250 avanti
He didn't pay attention to the 60s-80s, did he?
In any case, China is a threat, but they have powerful nations around them to balance them out, and it's a valid question whether China's economy will be able to sustain 8-10% growth.
| 258 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:39:03pm |
re: #253 sattv4u2
he means a nuke powered aircraft carrier, iirc
(heard him somewhere talking about the same thing)
They can buy the technology if they don't have it yet. I think Russia is up for sale.
| 259 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:39:14pm |
(personal rant)
GRRRRRRRRRRR
Shot a multiroom burlesque/cabaret show over the weekend and the candid portraits are noisy as all hell.
Performance noneflash shots are fine.
Seriously peeved at the moment, still working out whats different from the last 6 times i shot the show in the same venue.
Pot of coffee going on........now
| 260 |
BongCrodny Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:39:50pm |
re: #252 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, the Carrier that will replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower will be named the William Howard Taft...
I'll bet that one's gonna displace some water!
| 261 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:39:52pm |
John McLaughlin & Paco DeLucia -- Spain
I must have listened to different variations of Spain over 100 times now. It never gets boring.
| 262 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:40:03pm |
And on that note,, the long quiet drive home beckons
(and just in the nick of time ,,, the last 4 posts I needed the pencil 6 times!!! )
| 263 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:41:30pm |
re: #252 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, the Carrier that will replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower will be named the...
Facepalm.
(I like Ike (the President) by the way)
Well, it is a step up from USS Barry M. Goldwater, which some dipshit from Arizona was proposing as the name.
Personally, I'm a bit miffed that CVN-79, rather than being a new USS Enterprise, is being named John F. Kennedy instead.
| 264 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:41:35pm |
re: #258 b_sharp
They did buy one from Russia. It took them many years to make it "military worthy."
However, it is only the size of one our Amphibious Assault Ships.
China's a bit of a paper tiger.
| 265 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:42:09pm |
re: #256 sattv4u2
Well, , he was as BIG as one!!
My husband likes to point out that Taft didn't really put the serious weight on until he became President. He hated it. Comfort eating.
| 266 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:42:47pm |
re: #263 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I like it being named the USS Kennedy. There's a good chance that CVN-81 will be the Enterprise.
| 267 |
b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:43:24pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
And on that note,, the long quiet drive home beckons
(and just in the nick of time ,,, the last 4 posts I needed the pencil 6 times!!! )
Does the wife ever say that?
| 268 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:43:40pm |
re: #264 ProLifeLiberal
They did buy one from Russia. It took them many years to make it "military worthy."
However, it is only the size of one our Amphibious Assault Ships.
China's a bit of a paper tiger.
As I understand it, China's put the ex-Varyag (no new name AFAIK) to sea and is planning to build two identical sister ships using native tech, then build on what they learn doing that to build a nuclear carrier to match our own designs.
Rather laughable, as their submarine fleet is state-of-the-art...for the 1960s.
| 269 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:44:04pm |
GRRRRR
*all* of the noneperformance shots need a touch up - performance shots all great.
CRUD.
| 270 |
Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:45:31pm |
re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist
As the minarets grow out of the Mall?
We already had some carrying on about that, year ago, when Keith Ellison swore in on Jefferson's Koran.
I fucking LOVED that!
| 271 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:45:31pm |
re: #268 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And considering the nation that they are in a quasi-Cold War with is no more than 10-15 years behind, and catching up quick. (Hi India)
| 272 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:47:27pm |
I wonder if the OWS protests had anything to do with Bank of America's decision to cancel their $5 debit fee?
| 273 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:47:48pm |
re: #271 ProLifeLiberal
And considering the nation that they are in a quasi-Cold War with is no more than 10-15 years behind, and catching up quick. (Hi India)
That's likely because India and Russia are on fairly friendly terms, while the Bear and Dragon seem to be fighting it out every other year. Might have something to do with China buying one or two examples of a design, canceling the contract, then offering their own knock-off on the weapons market within a year.
| 274 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:48:01pm |
iphone sez bay area temps suddenly dropping 15 degrees and rain coming on thurs
iphone knows all seez all all hail almighty iphone
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:48:21pm |
re: #272 Charles
I wonder if the OWS protests had anything to do with Bank of America's decision to cancel their $5 debit fee?
I don't doubt it. Fear of closed accounts.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:49:10pm |
The payoff.
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
BREAKING: Cain accuser got $35K, which was a year's severance pay [Link: thkpr.gs...]
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:49:37pm |
re: #273 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Which is the reason I don't like Saber-rattling against Russia right now. They have issues of their own, but we need to put them aside to help India, and contain the PRC. Who I would argue is Imperialistic. Old time Imperialistic.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:50:18pm |
re: #275 Gus 802
I don't doubt it. Fear of closed accounts.
Yeah, it's like Netflix. They probably expected a small public outcry, perhaps a few hundred or even thousand customers closing their accounts and moving to another bank. But they ultimately expected that most would just whine a bit before bending over and taking it like a champ.
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b_sharp Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:50:57pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
Twitter is a politician's worst nightmare.
Twits are a politician's best wet dream.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:51:18pm |
re: #278 freetoken
Seems pretty trivial.
Not to me it isn't. Cain is a liar. He payed off these women so they wouldn't make waves. It says a lot about the man. An innocent man welcomes a fight.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:51:34pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
Twitter is a politician's worst nightmare.
Not noticing when you are sending a public tweet is a politicians worst nightmare.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:52:00pm |
re: #282 Gus 802
I'm just saying $35k is pretty small change.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:52:10pm |
re: #272 Charles
I wonder if the OWS protests had anything to do with Bank of America's decision to cancel their $5 debit fee?
I doubt it. They tested it in several states and customers hated it. AP, Reuters and every other media outlet had more of an impact than the idiots at OWS.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:52:34pm |
re: #213 Charles
It's cute how the entire right wing blogosphere all jumps on the same story at once, like the world's largest chorus line of attack dogs.
Tonight, it's the "OWS rape-a-thon" story.
And as often happens. LGF is first w/ the story.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:53:08pm |
re: #284 freetoken
I'm just saying $35k is pretty small change.
I suppose comparatively speaking. If came into 35K right now though I'd be doing the Snoopy dance.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:54:01pm |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
I doubt it. They tested it in several states and customers hated it. AP, Reuters and every other media outlet had more of an impact than the idiots at OWS.
OWS hasn't heightend the public & media discourse about banking practice?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:54:30pm |
re: #284 freetoken
I'm just saying $35k is pretty small change.
They also might lose their settlement money for talking to the press. Since it's relatively small change I assume the Romney campaign will pick up the difference for their service.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:54:31pm |
re: #276 Gus 802
The payoff.
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
BREAKING: Cain accuser got $35K, which was a year's severance pay [Link: thkpr.gs...]
Found this posted on another board I frequent:
Washington Post: Herman Cain’s accuser wants to tell her side of story, lawyer says
A woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s is ready for her story to come out, her lawyer said Tuesday, even as the Republican presidential hopeful spent a second day trying to quell the mounting controversy and explain his conflicting recollections of the matter.
Joel P. Bennett, the attorney for one of two women who made the claims against Cain, said Tuesday that his client is barred from publicly relating her side because of a nondisclosure agreement she signed upon leaving the National Restaurant Association, where Cain served as president from 1996 through 1999.
Bennett is calling on the association to waive the agreement so the woman, a federal worker living in suburban Maryland, can rebut Cain’s statements this week that the allegations were false and baseless.
And if that isn't bad enough, word is that Mrs. Cain is in talks to appear on Fox this Friday.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:55:00pm |
re: #288 wozzablog
OWS hasn't heightend the public & media discourse about banking practice?
No, not really.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:57:17pm |
re: #287 Gus 802
I suppose comparatively speaking. If came into 35K right now though I'd be doing the Snoopy dance.
If somebody gave me $35k today it'd be gone tomorrow.
re: #290 Killgore Trout
They also might lose their settlement money for talking to the press. Since it's relatively small change I assume the Romney campaign will pick up the difference for their service.
I'm not so sure Romney is behind this, though I could imagine some GOP political operative behind the curtain.
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bratwurst Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:57:23pm |
re: #284 freetoken
I'm just saying $35k is pretty small change.
Got some "small change" for an unemployed lizard? :)
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:58:19pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 6:58:34pm |
re: #288 wozzablog
OWS hasn't heightend the public & media discourse about banking practice?
BoA is only concerned with the opinion of their paying customers. Some doofus with a Guy Fawkes mask is not even on their radar (aside from the promotion idea of offering a free Guy Fawkes mask for opening a new account)
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:00:19pm |
I just found this on TVTropes. From an Economist Article
EFFORTS to curb inflation in China are having some painful side-effects. A squeeze on bank lending has prompted some businesses short of cash to stop paying wages to blue-collar workers. Even the much-vaunted state sector is feeling the pinch. Work has all but ground to a halt on thousands of kilometres of railway track, and many of the network’s 6m construction workers have been complaining about not being paid for weeks or sometimes months.
If China flumes under, they lose the Western Half of their nation as the wolves to the West and South fuel uprisings and genocide in Tibet and Uyghurstan.
And the World Economy plunges into depression.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:00:21pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
BoA is only concerned with the opinion of their paying customers. Some doofus with a Guy Fawkes mask is not even on their radar (aside from the promotion idea of offering a free Guy Fawkes mask for opening a new account)
God bless Bank of America. They are true patriots. Couple of years ago the wingnuts were ready to hang them for giving credit cards to "illegal aliens." In the end it doesn't really matter. BoA will find another way to screw their customers. Pardon my French but BoA can go fuck themselves in either case.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:01:19pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
Agreed, Fuck BoA. I closed my account with them many years ago.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:02:25pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Agreed, Fuck BoA. I closed my account with them many years ago.
Cool beans. Then you can come sit on the couch with me.
//
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:02:52pm |
re: #287 Gus 802
I suppose comparatively speaking. If came into 35K right now though I'd be doing the Snoopy dance.
I've been a legal secretary the past 20 years, and the majority of settlement agreements I've been privy to have been for less than $35K. $35K isn't a significantly high number, but in my opinion it's maybe a bit higher than simple "go away" money.
That doesn't directly weigh on the truth or falsity of the allegations, but in my experience the higher the number, the more likely there is to be a *there* there.
If she didn't have a leg to stand on, back in the 90's a decent labor lawyer could have made a case like that go away for a lot less than $35,000.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:03:30pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
BoA is only concerned with the opinion of their paying customers. Some doofus with a Guy Fawkes mask is not even on their radar (aside from the promotion idea of offering a free Guy Fawkes mask for opening a new account)
BOA doesn't care about what the guy in the mask thinks - who's saying that?.
They are pissed that a lot of people are listening to what the guy in the mask is saying - or that even if they aren't agreeing with him , that the debate has been intensified.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:04:03pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Many years ago I switched from BofA to Wells Fargo. Since then WF has gotten just as bad (after it really expanded nation wide through mergers etc.) To me they are all becoming the same - huge conglomerates of technorati inhumanoids working to perpetuate their existence and not be seen as being too small on the international banking stage (where banks in other nations are becoming even larger.)
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:04:13pm |
re: #306 BongCrodny
What year was this settlement? I'm going to do some research.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:04:54pm |
re: #308 freetoken
Many years ago I switched from BofA to Wells Fargo. Since then WF has gotten just as bad (after it really expanded nation wide through mergers etc.) To me they are all becoming the same - huge conglomerates of technorati inhumanoids working to perpetuate their existence and not be seen as being too small on the international banking stage (where banks in other nations are becoming even larger.)
Thinking a bit cyberpunk there, aren't ya?
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:08:14pm |
Oops. Just called "Killer" the cat "Killgore."
I might need a therapist.
//
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:08:49pm |
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:09:33pm |
re: #312 ProLifeLiberal
Real World: Pay more attention to it.
/
He came running to me anyway. It's a conspiracy.
//
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Political Atheist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:11:06pm |
re: #11 Obdicut
Yeah, the difference is between using the horseradish mayo or just grated horseradish. Depends, really, on how fatty the meat is.
Dragon_Lady looking over my shoulder says go for the mayo-horseradish, as grated horseradish might overwhelm the meat flavor. Me? Dunno, but I'm thinking to try that recipe sometime soon.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:12:45pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
Sutter Creek, July 4, 1880
The orator of the day, Laura deForce Gordon, delivered a fine address, replete with humorous allusions to woman’s rights and the men for once having to take a back seat, interspersed with serious and patriotic references to the dark days of our Republic and the glorious future to which it will attain. The fair oratress was loudly applauded during her remarks, and at the close a gentleman—the first and only time one of that humbled sex even tried to speak—proposed that every man present join in three rousing cheers for the orator of the day, which were given with a will.
SFPL is doing a whole exhibit on suffrage.
[Link: sfpl.org...]
"In July of 1871, 200 black women, dressed as men, voted in Johnson County, NC" [Link: ecssba.rutgers.edu...]
Excellent!
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OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:13:36pm |
re: #307 wozzablog
Exactly. More people are paying attention. BoA is going to get their money another way, but I can't remember a bank reversing a decision so publicly before. Just because your not physically protesting doesn't mean that you're not pissed. Even some of the smaller local banks are, to my mind, no different from pay day loan joints. In fact, my former bank would allow you to charge your debit card $500 over the limit, you just had to pay the fees. I was even encouraged by a teller to do so.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:13:42pm |
re: #309 ProLifeLiberal
Depending on the year of the payoff, it would, counting for inflation, be equivalent to $45k to $48k
Serious chunk of change.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:16:51pm |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
1990 dollars.
$58,400.00 using the Consumer Price Index
$53,800.00 using the GDP deflator
$59,400.00 using the unskilled wage
$64,200.00 using the Production Worker Compensation
$70,700.00 using the nominal GDP per capita
$87,700.00 using the relative share of GDP
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:18:53pm |
re: #322 Varek Raith
That's $7-8k more than the median household income per year.
That seems to be more than Hush Money.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:19:01pm |
Yeah, I have currency and inflation calculators bookmarked.
/NERD!!!
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:22pm |
re: #325 ProLifeLiberal
That's $7-8k more than the median household income per year.
That seems to be more than Hush Money.
Sounds about right for a year's severance. And certainly more than any self-respecting lawyer would recommend if an investigation had been run and the accusations found to be "baseless."
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:36pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:38pm |
edit edit edit edit #killmenow edit edit edit edit edit
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:40pm |
re: #272 Charles
No, they heard the screams of protests from their customers, closing accounts. 3 other banks rescinded their debit card fees, before BofA did. BofA thought they could lead the market, and found that (shocka!) the market didn't want them.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:20:44pm |
If I were Glenn Beck or Rush Limbuagh I'd be rooting for OWS, it's good for business. If I were Mikey Moore or the Communist Worker's Party of Scapoose I'd be cheering for the Tea Party, It's good for business. If I were a moonbat I'd be shilling for Cain.
Why be a useful idiot for your opponents? You're only helping them line their pockets and advance their cause.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:21:48pm |
re: #329 Varek Raith
In 1913 35000 would be...
$802,132.83
And you'd be dead of 'infantile paralysis".
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palomino Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:22:11pm |
re: #246 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I've seen suggestions on how the filibuster might be effectively rendered powerless, including the infamous "nuclear option." And a Tea Party Congress stuck behind the brick wall might be more willing to throw caution to the wind and blast it apart with nitroglycerin, assuming that folks will be so happy with whatever they put into place that they'll not have to worry about being returned to minority status.
In a country where people actually understood the filibuster, the GOP would pay a big political price for doing away with it. Of course we don't live in such a country, so the GOP may just go off the deep end.
Again, though, they'll be setting a dangerous precedent. Having no filibuster would just make it easier for the majority party to undo whatever the minority had previously done when in power. The Bush tax cuts wouldn't have even lasted their originally prescribed 10 years. Obamacare would have no chance of lasting more than a decade, as the GOP made it public enemy no. 2 (after Obama himself) despite the fact that the GOP used to be pretty united behind a market based reform system like Romney/Obama Care.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:22:37pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
BoA is only concerned with the opinion of their paying customers. Some doofus with a Guy Fawkes mask is not even on their radar (aside from the promotion idea of offering a free Guy Fawkes mask for opening a new account)
No, BofA is only concerned with their revenue stream. They have gotten so big, they have forgotten what the words "customer service" really mean.
Not just BofA, all big banks, and many big businesses.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:24:01pm |
U.S. Army soldier arrested on suspicion of espionage
Specialist William Colton Millay, 22, was taken into custody at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson on October 28 following a joint espionage investigation conducted by the FBI and Army Counterintelligence special agents, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Bill Coppernoll said.
Coppernoll did not say who Millay, of Owensboro, Kentucky, was suspected of spying for or what sensitive information he may have had access to. He said the investigation was ongoing.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:25:01pm |
re: #334 palomino
In a country where people actually understood the filibuster, the GOP would pay a big political price for doing away with it. Of course we don't live in such a country, so the GOP may just go off the deep end.
Again, though, they'll be setting a dangerous precedent. Having no filibuster would just make it easier for the majority party to undo whatever the minority had previously done when in power. The Bush tax cuts wouldn't have even lasted their originally prescribed 10 years. Obamacare would have no chance of lasting more than a decade, as the GOP made it public enemy no. 2 (after Obama himself) despite the fact that the GOP used to be pretty united behind a market based reform system like Romney/Obama Care.
Hence why, despite the fact that nothing is getting done and the country is suffering for it, the Dems have not given into the urge to undo the filibuster. And why, back in the Bush Admin, Congress ultimately was able to compromise such that the "nuclear option" never went through. But with a Republican in the White House, I doubt the Tea Party could find such control within itself, and considers compromise to be a four-letter word.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:26:10pm |
re: #336 Killgore Trout
Way back when, I was required to attend counter-intelligence briefings, which are needed because there have always been, and always will be, people who will sell secrets for one reason or another. At the time we were more concerned about the French and Israelis than the Russians (who were watched continuously anyway), as the former two nations were noted for their commercial espionage.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:27:13pm |
re: #335 Floral Giraffe
No, BofA is only concerned with their revenue stream. They have gotten so big, they have forgotten what the words "customer service" really mean.
Not just BofA, all big banks, and many big businesses.
I was reading about this earlier. Their original calculations showed that it was cost effective for them. Unprofitable customers would leave and the ones willing to stick it out would make up the cost with increased fees. Once they tested it out they noticed the math didn't add up so they changed their mind. It's just a numbers game and has nothing to do with anything altruistic like customer service. Just math.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:27:45pm |
OT, but the computer is being creepy.
It's been giving me this ad alot lately. I think the Internet knows me.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:27:56pm |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
If I were Glenn Beck or Rush Limbuagh I'd be rooting for OWS, it's good for business. If I were Mikey Moore or the Communist Worker's Party of Scapoose I'd be cheering for the Tea Party, It's good for business. If I were a moonbat I'd be shilling for Cain.
Why be a useful idiot for your opponents? You're only helping them line their pockets and advance their cause.
You're funny.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:27:56pm |
re: #338 freetoken
Way back when, I was required to attend counter-intelligence briefings, which are needed because there have always been, and always will be, people who will sell secrets for one reason or another. At the time we were more concerned about the French and Israelis than the Russians (who were watched continuously anyway), as the former two nations were noted for their commercial espionage.
So, why do you think that vast telecommunications spying allegation directed at the Israelis went away?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:29:05pm |
So yes they're a military threat. They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.-Herman Cain, on China
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:29:22pm |
re: #339 Killgore Trout
It's all just math, and THAT is the problem. Think of a business, where you get good service, and you like it. Wouldn't you happily pay a tad more, for the pleasure of doing business with them? If you thought they CARED about keeping you as a customer? It's pretty rare, but I know I'd gladly pay, 10% more, to be treated properly.
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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:30:09pm |
re: #272 Charles
I wonder if the OWS protests had anything to do with Bank of America's decision to cancel their $5 debit fee?
Worse...it was a 22-year-old nobody with hippie-esque hair who started a petition on the moonbat site change.org ///
Katchpole didn't stop there. When her petition started gaining traction (about 195,000 signatures) only a week or so after it was posted, she went to her local Bank of America with her petition in hand and closed her account. She also cut up her debit card on camera and moved her money to a credit union.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:31:15pm |
re: #335 Floral Giraffe
No, BofA is only concerned with their revenue stream. They have gotten so big, they have forgotten what the words "customer service" really mean.
Not just BofA, all big banks, and many big businesses.
Hi You! I left BoA years ago..But I don't understand the stink over 5 bucks to use a debit card..I'd pay it..Big deal..If I recall years ago when I had my first Checking account it cost something like 10 bucks+the cost of checks and 10 cents for every check I wrote...And then I found a Federal credit Union...:)
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:31:43pm |
re: #338 freetoken
Way back when, I was required to attend counter-intelligence briefings, which are needed because there have always been, and always will be, people who will sell secrets for one reason or another. At the time we were more concerned about the French and Israelis than the Russians (who were watched continuously anyway), as the former two nations were noted for their commercial espionage.
[Link: www.nowpublic.com...]
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:33:54pm |
re: #350 Gus 802
Herman Cain is running for Cold War president.
Heh, at least he is up to 1960 or so. Ron Paul is still stuck back in 1916.
Atavism - it's not just a theory, but a way of life.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:34:03pm |
re: #350 Gus 802
Herman Cain is running for Cold War president.
Guess he saw yesterday's big "news":
Daily Caller - Poll: For economy fix, Americans pick Reagan over Roosevelt
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OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:34:34pm |
Bill Frist wanted to eliminate the filibuster:
"I think the important thing for the American people is to understand that never in over 200 years of Senate history has a minority, using a procedural tool, the filibuster, denied the majority the opportunity of giving advice and consent. And that's our only responsibility."- Frist
Hmmmm...
| 354 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:34:54pm |
@DavidCornDC David Corn
Cain warns of British forming alliance with the Iroquois. #CainDoctrine
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:36:40pm |
re: #344 Floral Giraffe
It's all just math, and THAT is the problem. Think of a business, where you get good service, and you like it. Wouldn't you happily pay a tad more, for the pleasure of doing business with them? If you thought they CARED about keeping you as a customer? It's pretty rare, but I know I'd gladly pay, 10% more, to be treated properly.
There's a limit to any sane price jump though, and it's about 10%. BoA already had a 34% jump on checking account fees this year and the debit card fee would have added almost 42% on top of that new higher rate. Netflix is suffering from this too. If you're going to raise rates do it quietly, keep the jump ≥ 10% and wait at least six months between increases. Look at Starbucks, they hit their customers with regular nickel and dime price increases and the bitching is minimal.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:37:21pm |
re: #352 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
:Facepalm:
He's the one who started this mess!!!
Anyone have an idea how an internet ad can be creepier than what I just got? Cause I'm ranking this as a Category 3 creepy incident.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:39:09pm |
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palomino Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:39:54pm |
re: #337 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hence why, despite the fact that nothing is getting done and the country is suffering for it, the Dems have not given into the urge to undo the filibuster. And why, back in the Bush Admin, Congress ultimately was able to compromise such that the "nuclear option" never went through. But with a Republican in the White House, I doubt the Tea Party could find such control within itself, and considers compromise to be a four-letter word.
Which is the biggest problem with the TP--no understanding that in a large diverse pluralistic democracy, compromise is the essence of governing. The hard line they've adopted isn't based on substantive policy, it's cultural and identity based. They've decided that their political opposition is not their "fellow Americans" but instead a bunch of godless socialists hellbent on "destroying the America of their forefathers", whatever the hell that means.
The kind of unity we had during the Great Depression (even if somewhat mythologized) is no longer possible.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:40:09pm |
@Gus_802 Gus
Cain demands that the Island of Lesbos must be held! Announces daylight attack of Rome. #CainDoctrine
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:40:18pm |
re: #280 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, it's like Netflix. They probably expected a small public outcry, perhaps a few hundred or even thousand customers closing their accounts and moving to another bank. But they ultimately expected that most would just whine a bit before bending over and taking it like a champ.
Netflix, of course, got theirs without the intervention of OWS.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:41:05pm |
re: #357 ProLifeLiberal
:Facepalm:
He's the one who started this mess!!!
Anyone have an idea how an internet ad can be creepier than what I just got? Cause ranking this as a Category 3 creepy incident.
My guess would be because the majority of the boomers who could be pinned down long enough to answer the poll forgot that the economy crashed just as he was leaving office.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:41:52pm |
JC_Christian
Cain issues demand that Britain & Marcus Bachmann stop impressing seamen #CainDoctrine
LoL
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:42:28pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
BoA is only concerned with the opinion of their paying customers. Some doofus with a Guy Fawkes mask is not even on their radar (aside from the promotion idea of offering a free Guy Fawkes mask for opening a new account)
so you think people in a nationwide movement that gets national, and even international, teevee time every night, calling for people to divest themselves of their business with the major banks, is of no concern to the management of bank of america?
if it's not "on their radar", their radar needs to turn on the teevee or read the internet
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:42:40pm |
re: #359 palomino
Which is the biggest problem with the TP--no understanding that in a large diverse pluralistic democracy, compromise is the essence of governing. The hard line they've adopted isn't based on substantive policy, it's cultural and identity based. They've decided that their political opposition is not their "fellow Americans" but instead a bunch of godless socialists hellbent on "destroying the America of their forefathers", whatever the hell that means.
The kind of unity we had during the Great Depression (even if somewhat mythologized) is no longer possible.
Which is why I ultimately expect the Tea Party to crash and burn if ever given the opportunity to actually lead, but not before they do a whole lot of damage while doing so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:43:04pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
God bless Bank of America. They are true patriots. Couple of years ago the wingnuts were ready to hang them for giving credit cards to "illegal aliens." In the end it doesn't really matter. BoA will find another way to screw their customers. Pardon my French but BoA can go fuck themselves in either case.
Ain't seeing anyone defending BofA around her.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:43:52pm |
re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And again, with the Boomers.
A guy I work with has been bitching about my generation being irresponsible and the nation being doomed when we get into power.
He really didn't like it when I pointed out that his Generation drove us into the ditch because they never matured beyond High School Freshman.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:47:37pm |
Apparently Greece is teeming with tax cheats: [Link: jalopnik.com...]
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:48:10pm |
re: #369 WindUpBird
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:48:20pm |
re: #367 ProLifeLiberal
And again, with the Boomers.
A guy I work with has been bitching about my generation being irresponsible and the nation being doomed when we get into power.
He really didn't like it when I pointed out that his Generation drove us into the ditch because they never matured beyond High School Freshman.
Yeah, it is rather distasteful that my generation and the ones who have come since are being held responsible for the debts of our parents and (yes) grandparents generations. It's a might infuriating when I'm told that, in order to balance the books, I'm supposed to do without the social safety net, but my parents are "entitled" to it for the rest of their lives.
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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:48:49pm |
re: #367 ProLifeLiberal
A guy I work with has been bitching about my generation being irresponsible and the nation being doomed when we get into power.
Yeah, about that "generation" thing...
The documents say the men, Frederick Thomas, 73, of Cleveland, Ga.; Dan Roberts, 67, Ray Adams, 65, and Samuel Crump, 68, all of Toccoa, called themselves “the covert group” and began in March to talk about staging attacks against federal targets including the IRS.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:49:00pm |
re: #356 goddamnedfrank
Look at Starbucks, they hit their customers with regular nickel and dime price increases and the bitching is minimal.
Oh Starbucks..Does anybody that goes there in the morning think about I just spent more on a cup of coffee than a gallon of gas? Given the choice..Driving 30 miles or drinking a cup of coffee would seem obvious..But this is America..It does piss me off that I feel guilty if I don't leave a tip for a 4 dollar cup of coffee...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:49:12pm |
re: #307 wozzablog
BOA doesn't care about what the guy in the mask thinks - who's saying that?.
They are pissed that a lot of people are listening to what the guy in the mask is saying - or that even if they aren't agreeing with him , that the debate has been intensified.
As Netflix shows, customers are aware when a company goes too far in trying to get their money, and will react.
I'm dubious of the idea that the guy in the Guy Fawkes mask is communicating effectively to debate about bank scamming. At most, the guy in the Guy Fawkes mask and the guy closing his BofA account over the five bucks are responding to the same thing, (or perhaps are the same person).
People aren't stupid. They don't need a bunch of protesters to enlighten them about banking fees.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:49:58pm |
re: #308 freetoken
Many years ago I switched from BofA to Wells Fargo. Since then WF has gotten just as bad (after it really expanded nation wide through mergers etc.) To me they are all becoming the same - huge conglomerates of technorati inhumanoids working to perpetuate their existence and not be seen as being too small on the international banking stage (where banks in other nations are becoming even larger.)
I loved WAMU, until Chase ate them.
Chase sucks.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:50:14pm |
re: #367 ProLifeLiberal
And again, with the Boomers.
A guy I work with has been bitching about my generation being irresponsible and the nation being doomed when we get into power.
He really didn't like it when I pointed out that his Generation drove us into the ditch because they never matured beyond High School Freshman.
tell grandpa boomerfuck we'll be fine as soon as we clean up his generation's impossibly high mountain of shit
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:50:43pm |
re: #316 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
SFPL is doing a whole exhibit on suffrage.
[Link: sfpl.org...]
"In July of 1871, 200 black women, dressed as men, voted in Johnson County, NC" [Link: ecssba.rutgers.edu...]
Excellent!
That's awesome.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:51:40pm |
re: #370 ProLifeLiberal
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
the difference is, in America, it's legal to avoid paying your fair share #wheecapitalgains
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:52:19pm |
re: #372 publicityStunted
As I said in a less erudite post on a page, these are Tea Partiers.
The US is in a Generation War of Attrition. My side will win, but there can be alot of damage.
This is a good argument for cranking up immigration from certain nations with failed revolutions and overpopulation. Tilt the demographics some.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:53:03pm |
re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, it is rather distasteful that my generation and the ones who have come since are being held responsible for the debts of our parents and (yes) grandparents generations. It's a might infuriating when I'm told that, in order to balance the books, I'm supposed to do without the social safety net, but my parents are "entitled" to it for the rest of their lives.
It's worse than you think. As the last of my pre-boomer generation goes, we're going to blow the TVA dams and crater-charge the interstate highways.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:53:06pm |
re: #373 HoosierHoops
Look at Starbucks, they hit their customers with regular nickel and dime price increases and the bitching is minimal.
Oh Starbucks..Does anybody that goes there in the morning think about I just spent more on a cup of coffee than a gallon of gas? Given the choice..Driving 30 miles or drinking a cup of coffee would seem obvious..But this is America..It does piss me off that I feel guilty if I don't leave a tip for a 4 dollar cup of coffee...
Only time I part with coin that isn't part of purchase at a place like Starbucks is if there's a charity collection box or some such near the register. I live under no illusions that those tips are going to anybody but the management, who might feel obligated to split it amongst the employees.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:54:26pm |
re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, it is rather distasteful that my generation and the ones who have come since are being held responsible for the debts of our parents and (yes) grandparents generations. It's a might infuriating when I'm told that, in order to balance the books, I'm supposed to do without the social safety net, but my parents are "entitled" to it for the rest of their lives.
It's infuriating, yes, but OTOH, I can't afford to take care of my parents in their retirement, so...I'll take what I can get.
My kids can put me out on an ice floe when I'm old.
(I said this to my mother, who looked sad and said, "Honey, when you're old there won't be any ice floes left.")
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:55:47pm |
re: #382 SanFranciscoZionist
My kids can put me out on an ice floe when I'm old.
Assuming there are ice floes when you are old...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:56:21pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:57:11pm |
re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist
'
You and my mother think alike.
freetoken's secret identity revealed!
What trouble awaits our hero???
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:57:19pm |
re: #382 SanFranciscoZionist
Mom is quite sharp isn't she.
I can be very cynical when need be. There was always a bit of that when calling for the US to take the Young Egyptians whose revolution has failed. They can hasten the slide of the Tea Party crowd to obscurity by at least several years.
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palomino Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:58:15pm |
re: #369 WindUpBird
Apparently Greece is teeming with tax cheats: [Link: jalopnik.com...]
If only they had instituted the 9-9-9 plan back in, oh, I don't know, maybe 1999, they could have saved themselves.
Cain for president...of Greece.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:58:24pm |
re: #385 Varek Raith
I am not, nor ever have been, SFZ's mother. And I have no comment on my two previous employees who claim to have been paid off to keep silent about this.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 7:58:51pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:00:13pm |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
It's worse than you think. As the last of my pre-boomer generation goes, we're going to blow the TVA dams and crater-charge the interstate highways.
Heh. All the twenty-thirty somethings have not quite yet figured out how much shit they will eventually have to hear from that cute 3 year old and his or her generation in good time.
LOL.
We all in our turn suffer the verbage of the "wiser" younger generation.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:00:28pm |
re: #382 SanFranciscoZionist
It's infuriating, yes, but OTOH, I can't afford to take care of my parents in their retirement, so...I'll take what I can get.
My kids can put me out on an ice floe when I'm old.
(I said this to my mother, who looked sad and said, "Honey, when you're old there won't be any ice floes left.")
I'm still stuck between cremation and being buried in a pine box. Between convenience and retro appeal.
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TedStriker Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:02:16pm |
re: #222 Charles
I wonder if all these "OWS rapist sexual abusers" stories are a conscious reaction to what's going on with the right wing's Racism Inoculation Token, Herman Cain.
And how Perry babbling incoherently is being ignored too by the media, for the most part, I see.
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OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:02:19pm |
I'm not convinced my mom, the Boomer, is going to die.
After there's nothing left for her to pull up, nip and tuck, I fear she'll start drinking cord blood or something, so her body will regenerate from the stem cells.
But, then again, I'm not sure what I think, cause she hasn't told me yet.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:03:04pm |
re: #395 OhNoZombies!
I'm not convinced my mom, the Boomer, is going to die.
After there's nothing left for her to pull up, nip and tuck, I fear she'll start drinking cord blood or something, so her body will regenerate from the stem cells.
But, then again, I'm not sure what I think, cause she hasn't told me yet.
Yeah, my folks will never die, if for no other reason than they wouldn't give the other the satisfaction.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:03:15pm |
re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm still stuck between cremation and being buried in a pine box. Between convenience and retro appeal.
I like the notion of going to one of those body farms, like the one in the Patricia Cornwell novels. Natural decay, you contribute to science, and the scientists have to come and visit you from time to time.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:03:16pm |
re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm still stuck between cremation and being buried in a pine box. Between convenience and retro appeal.
My funeral is pre-planned.
I'm eloping.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:04:11pm |
re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Have you seen the Green Funeral stuff I pimp routinely?
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:04:16pm |
re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm still stuck between cremation and being buried in a pine box. Between convenience and retro appeal.
I'm taking the planet down with me.
;)
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:06:15pm |
re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist
I like the notion of going to one of those body farms, like the one in the Patricia Cornwell novels. Natural decay, you contribute to science, and the scientists have to come and visit you from time to time.
Well, once upon a time I thought I'd like to be cryogenically preserved. Perhaps one day thawed out in some far-future period. Then I heard about the asking price and decided that I'd have to see all my organs just to afford a down payment.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:06:56pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:08:07pm |
re: #401 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, once upon a time I thought I'd like to be cryogenically preserved. Perhaps one day thawed out in some far-future period. Then I heard about the asking price and decided that I'd have to see all my organs just to afford a down payment.
One word: neocannibals.
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OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:10:16pm |
re: #396 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My mom may go vampiric, but I could see my dad as a head in a jar, ala Futurama...
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:11:41pm |
re: #399 Decatur Deb
Have you seen the Green Funeral stuff I pimp routinely?
I'm not sure I entirely like the idea. I mean my sister might be totally for it, she used to dabbled is Wicca back in the day. Me, I have this kinda hope that perhaps my remains will stick around long enough to serve as a warning to future generations.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:14:11pm |
re: #405 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm not sure I entirely like the idea. I mean my sister might be totally for it, she used to dabbled is Wicca back in the day. Me, I have this kinda hope that perhaps my remains will stick around long enough to serve as a warning to future generations.
Could have you stuffed and posted as a school crossing guard.
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Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:14:34pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:15:28pm |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
It's worse than you think. As the last of my pre-boomer generation goes, we're going to blow the TVA dams and crater-charge the interstate highways.
Maybe, but I'm going to go to all of your estate sales and pick through all the mid-century collectible toys.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:17:42pm |
re: #407 Decatur Deb
Could have you stuffed and posted as a school crossing guard.
Hmm, not a bad idea. *adds it to the list*
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:17:52pm |
Hey all, Is Sarah Palin going to take McCain's spot in the Senate?
I never thought of it.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:17:53pm |
re: #410 prairiefire
Maybe, but I'm going to go to all of your estate sales and pick through all the mid-century collectible toys.
You would love my stuff--Eames chair knockoff, 1958 cabin cruiser, 1960 Canonflex, 1973 Land Rover, 1980 Yamaha thumper.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:18:54pm |
re: #395 OhNoZombies!
I'm not convinced my mom, the Boomer, is going to die.
After there's nothing left for her to pull up, nip and tuck, I fear she'll start drinking cord blood or something, so her body will regenerate from the stem cells.
But, then again, I'm not sure what I think, cause she hasn't told me yet.
Relate, exactly. Must be common.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:19:02pm |
How is everyone this evening!
I'm so excited, there is a whole book of Zooborn Kittehs!
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:19:11pm |
algae
Hard 'g' or soft?
Fooking brits messing with my phonetic encoding algorithm...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:20:33pm |
re: #401 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, once upon a time I thought I'd like to be cryogenically preserved. Perhaps one day thawed out in some far-future period. Then I heard about the asking price and decided that I'd have to see all my organs just to afford a down payment.
Nah, when I'm done, I'm done.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:22:13pm |
re: #412 ggt
Hey all, Is Sarah Palin going to take McCain's spot in the Senate?
I never thought of it.
I remember some buzz/handwringing about it when she bought that house. Actually, when Bristol bought her house in the same county.
Joe Arpaio's county. 9_9
Anyway, nothing she does, or doesn't do, would surprise me. Just so long as her pockets stay lined, I think she will do just about anything.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:22:46pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:23:01pm |
re: #419 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I remember some buzz/handwringing about it when she bought that house. Actually, when Bristol bought her house in the same county.
Joe Arpaio's county. 9_9
Anyway, nothing she does, or doesn't do, would surprise me. Just so long as her pockets stay lined, I think she will do just about anything.
I try so hard to ignore her, I just never put 2 and 2 together.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:23:18pm |
re: #413 Decatur Deb
You would love my stuff--Eames chair knockoff, 1958 cabin cruiser, 1960 Canonflex, 1973 Land Rover, 1980 Yamaha thumper.
Machinery, meh. Now toys, I know. Boomers, God Bless them are avid collectors. I am reaping the windfall for years to come.
I would like the Eames knock off, however.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:02pm |
re: #412 ggt
Hey all, Is Sarah Palin going to take McCain's spot in the Senate?
I never thought of it.
Wouldn't put it past her. Fewer suckers to fool, less work on her desk, and she might one day actually be ready to try for The Big Chair.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:18pm |
re: #415 ggt
How is everyone this evening!
I'm so excited, there is a whole book of Zooborn Kittehs!
Hi You..I'm not very happy with Gus802 tonight....All his weather will arrive tomorrow with 50mph winds..Cold cold cold.. Wait didn't we just have the hottest summer of all time? Thanks Gus!
/
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:27pm |
re: #395 OhNoZombies!
I'm not convinced my mom, the Boomer, is going to die.
After there's nothing left for her to pull up, nip and tuck, I fear she'll start drinking cord blood or something, so her body will regenerate from the stem cells.
But, then again, I'm not sure what I think, cause she hasn't told me yet.
Ha!
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:24:41pm |
re: #419 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I remember some buzz/handwringing about it when she bought that house. Actually, when Bristol bought her house in the same county.
Joe Arpaio's county. 9_9
Anyway, nothing she does, or doesn't do, would surprise me. Just so long as her pockets stay lined, I think she will do just about anything.
I know! What's next?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:25:14pm |
re: #425 HoosierHoops
Hi You..I'm not very happy with Gus802 tonight...All his weather will arrive tomorrow with 50mph winds..Cold cold cold.. Wait didn't we just have the hottest summer of all time? Thanks Gus!
/
Whad'ryagonnado?
Gus will be Gus.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:26:50pm |
re: #425 HoosierHoops
Hi You..I'm not very happy with Gus802 tonight...All his weather will arrive tomorrow with 50mph winds..Cold cold cold.. Wait didn't we just have the hottest summer of all time? Thanks Gus!
/
You should see it here. It's like raining snow or something now. Expect inclement weather points East in the coming days. The end of the world is neigh! Again.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:27:18pm |
re: #423 prairiefire
I'm lovin the mid century Christmas ornaments.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:27:51pm |
re: #429 Gus 802
You should see it here. It's like raining snow or something now. Expect inclement weather points East in the coming days. The end of the world is neigh! Again.
*muttergrumblemutter*
Where's that damned global warming I keep getting promised. Screw the grandkids, I'm cold now!
///
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:28:47pm |
re: #429 Gus 802
You should see it here. It's like raining snow or something now. Expect inclement weather points East in the coming days. The end of the world is neigh! Again.
As long as you send a good freeze up Chicagoland-way, I don't care what happens to the rest of the country.
:0
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Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:29:31pm |
re: #427 Stanley Sea
I know! What's next?
As the GOP race continues Sarah will be able to stand up, wave and shout "Yo hoo. I'm right here, closer than ever. Just in care you need me also too."
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:29:42pm |
re: #429 Gus 802
You should see it here. It's like raining snow or something now. Expect inclement weather points East in the coming days. The end of the world is neigh! Again.
It is coming here with full vengeance...
Hope you are doing OK Gus
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:30:53pm |
re: #434 HoosierHoops
It is coming here with full vengeance...
Hope you are doing OK Gus
So far so good. That might change tomorrow. They cleared a lot of trees last week so we might be OK.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:31:42pm |
re: #430 Stanley Sea
I'm lovin the mid century Christmas ornaments.
We had lead foil icicles on our tree--you could compress them into little cubes with your fingers, but we saved them from year-to-year. Another explanation for the mental state.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:33:32pm |
re: #436 Decatur Deb
We had lead foil icicles on our tree--you could compress them into little cubes with your fingers, but we saved them from year-to-year. Another explanation for the mental state.
I remember those.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:33:58pm |
That's too much though. Here we have a guy, Herman Cain, running for POTUS and he doesn't even know that China is already a nuclear power.
Seriously?
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:34:18pm |
re: #430 Stanley Sea
I'm lovin the mid century Christmas ornaments.
Me, too, and man, the Boomers do as well. I subscribe to an estate sale aggregate email newsletter. Picture after picture of basements or garages full of Christmas stuff.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:34:27pm |
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:34:47pm |
re: #433 Firstinla
As the GOP race continues Sarah will be able to stand up, wave and shout "Yo hoo. I'm right here, closer than ever. Just in care you need me also too."
You Betcha! I think it may happen. But I give Sister Sarah more power than deserved.
Cain, Palin, Huckabee. Who will save us? (Perry's impaired)
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:34:52pm |
@aaronross6 Cain warns General Custer he needs more boots on the ground #CainDoctrine
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:35:51pm |
re: #438 Gus 802
That's too much though. Here we have a guy, Herman Cain, running for POTUS and he doesn't even know that China is already a nuclear power.
Seriously?
But atleast he opposes higher taxes for millionaires.
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Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:36:05pm |
re: #438 Gus 802
That's too much though. Here we have a guy, Herman Cain, running for POTUS and he doesn't even know that China is already a nuclear power.
Seriously?
And there's the other candidate that didn't know Libya was a nation in Africa.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:36:10pm |
Cain informed those weren't the droids he was looking for
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freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:36:18pm |
News that saddened me today:
American Orchid Society to close headquarters in Delray Beach
Orchid lovers, collectors and tourists looking for a glimpse of more than 15,000 varieties of orchid at The American Orchid Society greenhouse and gardens will soon have to look elsewhere.
The American Orchid Society, with its headquarters west of Delray Beach, is selling its building and closing the gardens and greenhouse to the public permanently. Longtime supporters of the nationally known, 90-year-old organization say it will be a major loss for the area.
"I'm very disappointed that they have done this," said Annette Jackson, former president of Delray Beach Orchid Society. "There's a bitter taste in everyone's mouth."
Declining membership and endowments hit by the financial crisis are to blame for the closure, Society President Chris Rehmann said. Going from a robust 30,000 worldwide membership when the building and gardens opened lcoally 10 years ago to about 11,000 was a real hit for the organization.
"I know people are disappointed," Rehmann said. "We appreciate the effort of everyone in the area who contributed to the success of the building. But in this economy, we found it very difficult to keep it going."
[...]
Americans are just not into formal horticulture and long term projects anymore, it seems.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:36:45pm |
I just realized how screwed Pakistan is if China collapses.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:37:08pm |
re: #447 freetoken
News that saddened me today:
American Orchid Society to close headquarters in Delray Beach
Americans are just not into formal horticulture and long term projects anymore, it seems.
As long as the various species are somewhere in the world, all will be well. They can come back to the US someday.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:38:11pm |
re: #450 ggt
Like The Doctor, the US needs to regenerate.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:38:49pm |
Good evening. Sitting alone in the dark in a city with no electricity. Four straight nights with no electricity or heat ... It's around 30 degrees outside ... The thermostat in my house reads 53 degrees. My wife couldn't take it anymore and got out of Dodge! I will never complain about my electric bill ever again.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:39:24pm |
Night, lizards. We are looking at possible snow tomorrow. Thanks, Gus.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:39:53pm |
re: #454 prairiefire
Night, lizards. We are looking at possible snow tomorrow. Thanks, Gus.
Oh yeah. Go ahead. Blame me.
//
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:40:29pm |
re: #438 Gus 802
That's too much though. Here we have a guy, Herman Cain, running for POTUS and he doesn't even know that China is already a nuclear power.
Seriously?
He was just conflating them with the North Koreans, thinks all those asian devils look alike.
Yeah, seriously.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:41:09pm |
Something that really sounds cool that I don't necessarily recommend?
Go to a bar, with a friend who's the manager of said bar, who's new bartender is pleased to please him by feeding his buddy who's supposed to be enamored by the idea of going to a bar with the manger of said bar, who's new bartender is pleased...
I think you get what I'm saying.
Not a school night... but I had to finally say, "NAY!".
Bright side? Free dollars and free cents.
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Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:41:26pm |
re: #456 goddamnedfrank
He was just conflating them with the North Koreans, thinks all those asian devils look alike.
Yeah, seriously.
Probably. Sharon Angle would blame it on the Mexicans. Asians, Mexicans. Whatever!
//
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:41:46pm |
But, but, but, I thought it was the mooslims and the joos who were going to attack us?
The men are Frederick Thomas, 73; Dan Roberts, 67; Ray H. Adams, 65; and Samuel J. Crump, 68. Thomas is from Cleveland, Georgia, and the other three men are from Toccoa.
| 460 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:42:13pm |
re: #456 goddamnedfrank
And Japan, the De-Facto Nuclear Power.
I've heard people say that might be what Iran is trying to emulate. But with the state of Iran's government now, who the hell knows.
| 461 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:42:21pm |
re: #450 ggt
As long as the various species are somewhere in the world, all will be well. They can come back to the US someday.
Well, there are species lost, especially in SE Asia and in the Amazon.
But even more, cultivars are lost. Many orchid cultivars have breeding history stretching back to the 19th century. Some orchids can take as long as humans to reach sexual maturity, and thus breeding programs can take decades.
I just want to rant that our society has become so short-term minded that multi-year and multi-decadal efforts are becoming rare in our society. That btw is one of the contributing factors in the loss of a manned space-program - politicians are unwilling to take multi-billion dollar gambles on projects that won't pay off until many years have passed. National energy policy has languished for the same reason.
Horticulture is reflective of society as a whole, not unlike art.
| 462 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:42:51pm |
| 463 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:43:26pm |
re: #451 ProLifeLiberal
Like The Doctor, the US needs to regenerate.
We are one planet, and some people (see my #459) need to accept that.
| 464 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:43:35pm |
Did you all ever consider that Cain has a time machine???
In that context, his statement makes perfect sense!
/thinking outside the box
| 465 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:44:02pm |
And that, btw, is also a contributing reason why nothing preventative will be done about AGW.
| 466 |
OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:44:04pm |
re: #462 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As do I.
I think it should come out of his pay.
:-)
| 467 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:44:18pm |
re: #462 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I blame Zoidberg!
//
With my last breath I curse Zoidberg!
| 468 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:44:34pm |
| 469 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:45:05pm |
re: #464 Varek Raith
Did you all ever consider that Cain has a time machine???
In that context, his statement makes perfect sense!
/thinking outside the box
He might want to avoid Georgia/18-19th Cent.
| 470 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:45:37pm |
re: #468 ProLifeLiberal
Again, regeneration time!
I would say the US had regenerated 8 times now.
So that means America is a bit of an arrogant bloke waltzing around in leather and all his hair shaved off?
//
| 471 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:45:47pm |
re: #461 freetoken
Well, there are species lost, especially in SE Asia and in the Amazon.
But even more, cultivars are lost. Many orchid cultivars have breeding history stretching back to the 19th century. Some orchids can take as long as humans to reach sexual maturity, and thus breeding programs can take decades.
I just want to rant that our society has become so short-term minded that multi-year and multi-decadal efforts are becoming rare in our society. That btw is one of the contributing factors in the loss of a manned space-program - politicians are unwilling to take multi-billion dollar gambles on projects that won't pay off until many years have passed. National energy policy has languished for the same reason.
Horticulture is reflective of society as a whole, not unlike art.
I'm sorry. I understand your frustration.
| 472 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:46:10pm |
Tonight's candle lit activity was devouring Lakers legend Jerry West's new book. Just a great story about an icon who never liked himself and bared his soul in an amazing autobiography.
| 473 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:46:21pm |
In theory I shouldn't be laughing. This is actually kind of scary. That we have people this stupid running for POTUS.
And being a millionaire or billionaire is not a gauge of intelligence nor ability to be POTUS.
| 474 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:46:21pm |
re: #470 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So that means America is a bit of an arrogant bloke waltzing around in leather and all his hair shaved off?
//
And why did I have to take a cab?!?!
| 475 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:46:58pm |
re: #474 Varek Raith
And why did I have to take a cab?!?!
I don't understand why the undead have to do anything.
:0
| 476 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:47:55pm |
| 477 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:48:20pm |
re: #472 _RememberTonyC
Tonight's candle lit activity was devouring Lakers legend Jerry West's new book. Just a great story about an icon who never liked himself and bared his soul in an amazing autobiography.
Hey, Blinken!
Did you say "Abe Lincoln"?
-Robin Hood, Men in Tights.
| 478 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:48:48pm |
re: #476 Varek Raith
Undeadist!
Or something.
I fear that which I don't understand.
I don't understand the undead. I have no common frame of reference.
;0
| 479 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:49:58pm |
re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, Blinken!
Did you say "Abe Lincoln"?
-Robin Hood, Men in Tights.
You lost your arms in battle! But you grew some nice boobs.
| 480 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:50:12pm |
re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, Blinken!
Did you say "Abe Lincoln"?
-Robin Hood, Men in Tights.
Jerry West mentioned in the book that Abe Lincoln had 5000 Books written about him
| 482 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:50:50pm |
| 484 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:51:10pm |
I have to admit. This was the best one. If I do say so myself.
Gus
@Gus_802 Gus
Breaking statement from Herman #Cain camp "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!?" #CainDoctrine
| 485 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:51:24pm |
re: #478 ggt
I've been watching the hell out of AMC's "The Walking Dead" on Netflix.
Let me try to explain.
They're dead, but they're "un".
| 486 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:51:56pm |
re: #484 Gus 802
I have to admit. This was the best one. If I do say so myself.
Gus
@Gus_802 Gus
Breaking statement from Herman #Cain camp "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!?" #CainDoctrine
Germans?
| 487 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:52:06pm |
re: #484 Gus 802
I have to admit. This was the best one. If I do say so myself.
Gus
@Gus_802 Gus
Breaking statement from Herman #Cain camp "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!?" #CainDoctrine
It was over when the Wright brothers fired a steam powered laser into the heart of Mordor.
| 488 |
Stanghazi Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:52:31pm |
re: #480 _RememberTonyC
Jerry West mentioned in the book that Abe Lincoln had 5000 Books written about him
You've read the West book already? Do share.
| 489 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:53:05pm |
re: #486 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Germans?
Germans! They bombed Pearl Harbor no? That's what Herman Cain told me.
//
| 491 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:53:14pm |
| 492 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:53:22pm |
| 494 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:54:45pm |
| 495 |
Firstinla Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:20pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
#caindoctrine is supposed to be absurd.
But we have to be careful that Michelle Bachmann doesn't quote something like this during one of the debates.
/
| 496 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:30pm |
re: #487 Varek Raith
I was over when the Wright brothers fired a steam powered laser into the heart of Mordor.
One does not simply rock into Mordor.
| 497 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:39pm |
re: #482 ProLifeLiberal
Yep.
We need to get to the next one stat! Allons-y!
I preferred America when it wore that multi-colored scarf and coat while it offered people jelly babies.
//
| 499 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:57pm |
re: #438 Gus 802
That's too much though. Here we have a guy, Herman Cain, running for POTUS and he doesn't even know that China is already a nuclear power.
Seriously?
Really?
Oh Good God.
| 500 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:56:58pm |
During the power outage here in Connecticut, which is into its 80th hour (4th night), I learned two important things:
1) I can't live without my iPad
2) Starbucks wi-fi hot spots work through their store windows even when they have no electricity.
I found out #2 on Sunday when I needed to get on line to buy a month of 3G service.
| 501 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:57:23pm |
HERMAN CAIN: I do view China as a potential military threat to the United States.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And what could you do as president to head that off?
HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.
And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.
| 503 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:57:54pm |
DAMMIT!
"Forget it. He's rolling."
IMDB.
| 506 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 8:59:20pm |
re: #500 _RememberTonyC
Interesting concept. My son left the North East the other day (band's on tour) and went to Milwaukee... to escape the weather problems.
| 508 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:06pm |
re: #502 Gus 802
Yep. That's what the man said.
Herman Cain: US should protest annexation of the Sudetenland at UN
| 509 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:21pm |
Thought you guys knew. Well. That's why we were doing the absurd history stuff.
| 510 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:30pm |
re: #498 Gus 802
It started with this...
If only he said 'capabilities' this would be rather meh.
But no, he means the BIG capability.
| 511 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:36pm |
re: #508 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Herman Cain: US should protest annexation of the Sudetenland at UN
Exactly.
| 512 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:00:42pm |
re: #488 Stanley Sea
You've read the West book already? Do share.
His father abused him as a kid ... Not sexually, but the old man beat the shit out of him.
| 513 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:02:06pm |
re: #447 freetoken
News that saddened me today:
American Orchid Society to close headquarters in Delray Beach
Americans are just not into formal horticulture and long term projects anymore, it seems.
Floral raises orchids...
| 514 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:02:42pm |
What the hell took them so long?
Isn't this kind of film normally released within a few days?
| 515 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:03:22pm |
Herman Cain: By the end of my first term, we will land a man on the moon and bring him safely home again!
| 516 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:03:25pm |
re: #453 Varek Raith
Ubecki-becki-becki-stan-stan!
Do they have nukes?
OK, great 'how the world has changed' moments:
My husband and I, (reacting to the above), are trying to count all the nuclear powers. We're missing one. Damnit, who else is there? Look it up.
RUSSIA. Oh yeah!
| 517 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:03:46pm |
re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Interesting concept. My son left the North East the other day (band's on tour) and went to Milwaukee... to escape the weather problems.
My wife landed in Florida about an hour ago ... Her office has no power and she flew the coop!
| 518 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:04:57pm |
President Cain expresses deep regret to Italians over recent destruction of Pompei in natural disaster
| 519 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:05:52pm |
re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist
Do they have nukes?
OK, great 'how the world has changed' moments:
My husband and I, (reacting to the above), are trying to count all the nuclear powers. We're missing one. Damnit, who else is there? Look it up.
RUSSIA. Oh yeah!
US
USSR (Russia these days)
UK
France
China
India
Pakistan
North Korea
And, arguably, Israel.
| 521 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:05pm |
re: #517 _RememberTonyC
At least your wife didn't end up like those Lot Flight 16 today. Or the 11 planes worth of people who needed new itineraries.
| 522 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:18pm |
re: #518 wozzablog
President Cain expresses deep regret to Italians over recent destruction of Pompei in natural disaster
Cain demands CIA chief resigns over failure to note Spanish Armada build up; CIA chief responds "WTF?"
| 523 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:26pm |
re: #447 freetoken
No, The AOS is just one fucked up POLITICAL organization.
I am stopping now.
| 524 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:37pm |
President Cain meets Ubecki-becki-beckistani President on Camp David back porch, where they both see into Russia
| 525 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:06:56pm |
re: #515 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Herman Cain: By the end of my first term, we will land a man on the moon and bring him safely home again!
| 527 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:07:52pm |
re: #521 ProLifeLiberal
At least your wife didn't end up like those Lot Flight 16 today. Or the 11 planes worth of people who needed new itineraries.
Luckily
| 528 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:08:31pm |
re: #519 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Israel definitely.
I would also add Japan.
They may not have nukes now, but they have the ability to make them in a damn hurry.
| 529 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:08:52pm |
I need to take my free drunk ass to bed. G'night knuckleheads!
| 530 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:09:36pm |
re: #527 _RememberTonyC
Pilot did a damn good job of dealing with the snafued landing gear.
The only fatality was the plane. That thing is probably a write-off.
| 531 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:09:40pm |
re: #528 ProLifeLiberal
Israel definitely.
I would also add Japan.
They may not have nukes now, but they have the ability to make them in a damn hurry.
The ability does not equate to desire. Nukes are a no go in Japanese policy
| 532 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:02pm |
What is up with these lazy ass men? I'd like a partner, not a little boy.
Sheesh.
| 533 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:28pm |
re: #522 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Cain demands CIA chief resigns over failure to note Spanish Armada build up; CIA chief responds "WTF?"
President Cain alarmed to hear of assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, promises swift response to Bosnian terrorism, "We're all Austro-Hungarians today."
| 534 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:39pm |
Man! Everyone has been vociferous in the short time I was gone!
| 535 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:39pm |
596 is the codename of the People's Republic of China's first nuclear weapons test, detonated on October 16, 1964 at the Lop Nur test site. It was a uranium-235 implosion fission device and had a yield of 22 kilotons. With the test, China became the fifth nuclear power.
| 536 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:39pm |
re: #519 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
US
USSR (Russia these days)
UK
France
China
India
Pakistan
North KoreaAnd, arguably, Israel.
Israel won't talk about it, but they are assumed to have.
South Africa had, but they dismantled their arsenal.
| 537 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:10:55pm |
re: #532 Floral Giraffe
What is up with these lazy ass men? I'd like a partner, not a little boy.
Sheesh.
I had no idea my girlfried Posted at LGF - hi darling.
| 538 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:11:53pm |
re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist
Israel won't talk about it, but they are assumed to have.
South Africa had, but they dismantled their arsenal.
My understanding was South Africa was just one of the long list of countries that have started, and then stopped, nuke programs.
| 540 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:13:06pm |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've been watching the hell out of AMC's "The Walking Dead" on Netflix.
Let me try to explain.
They're dead, but they're "un".
Yeeaahh, I don't get it.
| 541 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:13:31pm |
re: #523 Floral Giraffe
Oh, I agree that the AOS has been poorly run for a while. I was a member for a few years, and I remember when they got an online forum. While it was informative in some threads (many knowledgeable people) there was often quite a bit of snobbery too. Lots of infighting and little political groups. I'm not surprised they couldn't get their act together.
The local orchid society (SDCOS) seems to be plugging along well enough. However, California has lost its long time orchid nurseries over the past 10 to 20 years, some that had history going back to an earlier period of the 20th century. As a business orchids just couldn't compete with the faster turn-around crops.
| 542 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:13:31pm |
re: #538 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My understanding was South Africa was just one of the long list of countries that have started, and then stopped, nuke programs.
they cribbed as much of Israel's as they could get aslong as Israel was willing to share.
| 543 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:13:58pm |
| 544 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:14:30pm |
re: #542 wozzablog
they cribbed as much of Israel's as they could get aslong as Israel was willing to share.
Vela Incident
I like mysteries.
;)
| 545 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:14:58pm |
re: #541 freetoken
Hard to compete with Taiwan. Sunset Valley Orchids is one of the few doing well. PM me, if you would like to.
| 546 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:16:26pm |
*really, gone, g'night*
smooches, as relevant
firm manly handshakes, as relevant
| 547 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:17:01pm |
re: #538 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I distinctly remember hearing about dismantling in various sources.
I think they actually had nukes.
| 548 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:17:29pm |
re: #535 Varek Raith
596 is the codename of the People's Republic of China's first nuclear weapons test, detonated on October 16, 1964 at the Lop Nur test site. It was a uranium-235 implosion fission device and had a yield of 22 kilotons. With the test, China became the fifth nuclear power.
Lop Nur spelled backwards is Run Pol ...
| 549 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:17:45pm |
| 550 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:18:11pm |
| 551 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:18:29pm |
re: #547 ProLifeLiberal
I distinctly remember hearing about dismantling in various sources.
I think they actually had nukes.
Upon further investigation, South Africa did indeed have the makings of a nuke stockpile. But then Apartheid ended and they were subsequently given up and dismantled.
| 552 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:20:15pm |
re: #545 Floral Giraffe
I don't do orchids anymore (since I rent now), and gave away my collection years ago. Yes, Taiwan is a source of many imports - it's hard to compete with low wages and indifference towards working conditions.
In the US, all the major orchid nurseries of which I know are run by families who simply don't want to exit the business and those families must have other means of support, I suppose. I can't imagine anyone today going into the orchid business or any floriculture business in the US with the expectation to be a thriving business. For cut flowers Proflowers and 1800Flowers have contract farms here in the US (even in San Diego county) but it's all labor based upon immigrants willing to work for almost nothing.
| 553 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:20:27pm |
Sure! I come back and everyone turns quiet!
| 555 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:21:07pm |
re: #551 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My memory serves me yet again!
| 556 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:21:19pm |
| 557 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:21:23pm |
| 558 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:22:15pm |
re: #552 freetoken
Even the non immigrants, are willing to work for almost nothing.
| 559 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:23:05pm |
| 560 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:23:26pm |
| 561 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:24:22pm |
@xeromachine Herman Cain is right, we should probably do something about that Hitler guy. #CainDoctrine
| 562 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:25:08pm |
re: #558 Floral Giraffe
Even the non immigrants, are willing to work for almost nothing.
Yes.
Horticulture, and Agriculture, have always depended upon the lowest of wages, even though both disciplines are arguable the most important for the existence of Homo sapiens as we know ourselves today.
One of the more perverse things about this universe - that which is very important we reward very little, while the least necessary (say a professional sports star) get paid the most.
| 563 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:25:50pm |
Ah, here's what I was mentioning about Japan. Wikipedia covered it very well.
While there are currently no known plans in Japan to produce nuclear weapons, it has been argued Japan has the technology, raw materials, and the capital to produce nuclear weapons within one year if necessary, and some analysts consider it a de facto nuclear state for this reason. For this reason Japan is often said to be a "screwdriver's turn" away from possessing nuclear weapons.
Significant amounts of reactor-grade plutonium are created as a by-product of the nuclear energy industry, and Japan was reported in December 1995 to have 4.7 tons of plutonium, enough for around 700 nuclear warheads. Japan also possesses an indigenous uranium enrichment plant which could hypothetically be used to make highly enriched uranium suitable for weapon use. Japan has also developed the M-V three-stage solid fuel rocket, similar in design to the U.S. LGM-118A Peacekeeper ICBM, which could serve as a delivery vehicle, and has experience in re-entry vehicle technology (OREX, HOPE-X).
It has been pointed out that as long as Japan enjoys the benefits of a "nuclear-ready" status it will see no reason to actually produce nuclear arms, since by remaining below the threshold, albeit with the capability to cross it at short notice, Japan can expect the support of the US while posing as an equal to China and Russia.
| 564 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:27:16pm |
Cain orders NASA to send Marines to LV-426.
| 565 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:30:49pm |
For real? Are these people really that stupid? Or are they betting the voting public is that stupid?
REHM: So you’re saying that the birth control pill could be considered as taking the life of a human being?
| 566 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:30:57pm |
re: #564 Varek Raith
Cain orders NASA to send Marines to LV-426.
Cain calls Occupy Acheron xenophobic, places full trust with Weyland-Yutani
| 567 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:31:56pm |
Are we moving upstairs? ---------->
| 568 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:32:11pm |
re: #565 ggt
For real? Are these people really that stupid? Or are they betting the voting public is that stupid?
Yes, and yes.
| 569 |
OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:32:32pm |
re: #565 ggt
Answer:
Yes. We believe life begins at arousal.
//
| 570 |
Gus Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:34:20pm |
re: #569 OhNoZombies!
Answer:
Yes. We believe life begins at arousal.
//
That's what promotes the species.
| 571 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:35:38pm |
re: #565 ggt
For real? Are these people really that stupid? Or are they betting the voting public is that stupid?
I think that by that logic, I could argue that my not sleeping with any available and possibly fertile male is taking the life of a potential baby. How can I limit myself to my husband, when he might not be in the mood, or home, at the precise moment that my egg releases?
| 573 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:38:03pm |
| 574 |
OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:40:19pm |
re: #571 SanFranciscoZionist
They would also ban menses if they were serious.
| 575 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:48:41pm |
re: #574 OhNoZombies!
They would also ban menses if they were serious.
Why not? they seem to think they can legislate away teenage hormones.
| 576 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 2, 2011 1:55:08am |
re: #374 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm dubious of the idea that the guy in the Guy Fawkes mask is communicating effectively to debate about bank scamming.
You do know most of the protesters aren't wearing Guy Fawkes masks, right?
| 577 |
avanti Wed, Nov 2, 2011 6:08:19am |
Sounds like a guy used Pam's playbook:
"MOBILE, Ala (Reuters) - The owner of a large southwest Alabama car dealership derided as "Taliban Toyota" by a competitor has been awarded $7.5 million in damages after a jury trial for his slander claim.
Iranian-born Shawn Esfahani, owner of Eastern Shore Toyota in Daphne, Alabama, sought $28 million in compensatory and punitive damages from Bob Tyler Toyota, claiming employees at that Pensacola, Florida-based dealership falsely portrayed him as an Islamist militant to customers."
Owner of car dealership labeled "Taliban Toyota" wins millions
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
Cheechako
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
