Herman Cain Thinking of Suing Politico; Harassment Victim Offers Statement

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WingnutsNovember 2011 • Views: 29,245

Cigarette Smoking Man Mark Block told Fox News today that his boss Herman Cain is considering a lawsuit against Politico for reporting facts.

What a terrific idea! I strongly encourage Cain to go ahead and sue.

(Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, facing sexual harassment accusations, is weighing a lawsuit against the news outlet that first reported the claims, a spokesman said on Friday. …

“It is being discussed,” Cain’s chief of staff Mark Block told Fox News on Friday, when asked if the campaign was considering suing Politico. “The Politico article, if it was held up to the same standards as the code of ethics of journalism, the people involved would be fired.”

Meanwhile, one of the women Cain accuses of lying is about to make a statement.

(Reuters) - A woman who accused Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment Thursday offered a statement telling her side of the story, in a move that could further undermine his 2012 campaign. …

“This is absolutely fabrication, man,” Cain told conservative talk radio host Sean Hannity, adding later: “We’re not going to get distracted. As of today we’re back on message and we’re going to stay on message.”

One of the women said earlier this week that she wanted to talk publicly about accusations that Cain had sexually harassed her, but she has since changed her mind and wanted to make a written statement through her lawyer.

The woman’s lawyer, Joel Bennett, gave the statement to the restaurant group, said Sue Hensley, a spokeswoman for the restaurant association.

The trade group’s lawyers were reviewing the statement to decide whether to lift a confidentiality agreement that she signed when she left the association. It is likely to conflict with Cain’s version of events.

Ya think?

UPDATE at 11/4/11 11:05:06 am

Just announced: the woman in question is planning to hold a press conference this afternoon…

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117 comments

Kragar Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:05:10am

No one on Team Cain has heard of the Discovery Phase?

I can believe that actually.

Obdicut Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:05:21am

I really doubt the media will possibly let this drop until that statement is known.

In addition to everything else he's doing wrong, by spinning this out like this Cain is causing problems for his old employer.

wrenchwench Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:06:59am

Oh man, Josh just Tweeted:

Herman Cain’s Settlement Is Dated 9/99

Obdicut Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:07:36am

What grounds would they sue under, anyway? What standard of ethics does he feel they violated?

It's kind of like Trump calling John Stewart's bit on Cain racist without, you know, explaining exactly how it was supposed to be racist.

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:07:49am

The lawsuit part was giving me a good laugh the other day. I mean, what is he going to do, sue them for reporting objectively true facts?

I'm also waiting to see what the NRA does about the request for releasing the woman from the NDA, which hopefully they will respond on today like they said they would. I wonder what happens if they refuse.

lawhawk Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:08:24am

Who is counseling Cain to go this route? Suing The Politico? That's not going to end well at all - for Cain that is.

What are the grounds? Clearly, it's reporting based on facts; there were claims of harassment that the Cain campaign has conceded. So it can't be that the reports were biased or false. The further revelations that multiple women were potentially harassed makes this (the campaign considering a suit) even harder to believe.

Sounds like they're trying to sue on sour grapes and that's not going to cut it.

Besides, once they open the door on a lawsuit, they'll open Cain up to all kinds of discovery - not the thing you want to do during a campaign. And all the other media outlets will be circling like vultures.

erik_t Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:09:02am

Circling the wagons is hard enough without Cain picking a new standoff location every ninety minutes.

thatthatisis Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:11:30am

"What grounds would they sue under, anyway? What standard of ethics does he feel they violated?"

"I, the party of the first part, declare that you, the party of the second part, hurt my fee-fees."

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:13:21am

so much for the Republicans being against frivolous lawsuits but I guess their frivolous lawsuits are ok.

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:13:47am

re: #6 lawhawk

Who is counseling Cain to go this route? Suing The Politico? That's not going to end well at all - for Cain that is.

What are the grounds? Clearly, it's reporting based on facts; there were claims of harassment that the Cain campaign has conceded. So it can't be that the reports were biased or false. The further revelations that multiple women were potentially harassed makes this (the campaign considering a suit) even harder to believe.

Sounds like they're trying to sue on sour grapes and that's not going to cut it.

Besides, once they open the door on a lawsuit, they'll open Cain up to all kinds of discovery - not the thing you want to do during a campaign. And all the other media outlets will be circling like vultures.

I know. It's hilarious, isn't it? Supposedly they've been talking to their legal counsel since the weekend about suing. If that's true, they really need to get their money back, since anyone that has even driven past a law school should know there's no case here.

Of course, the media is doing its thing where they neglect to report how utterly ridiculous of a concept this is and, at best, say that it "Seems unlikely to succeed". No, it would have zero chance of success, because there's absolutely no case here.

erik_t Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:14:22am

re: #10 Simply Sarah

Repeating 'No' over and over and over is technically 'talking'.

Charles Johnson Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:15:26am

re: #10 Simply Sarah

I know. It's hilarious, isn't it? Supposedly they've been talking to their legal counsel since the weekend about suing. If that's true, they really need to get their money back, since anyone that has even driven past a law school should know there's no case here.

Of course, the media is doing its thing where they neglect to report how utterly ridiculous of a concept this is and, at best, say that it "Seems unlikely to succeed". No, it would have zero chance of success, because there's absolutely no case here.

Cain's campaign is strictly amateur hour. They couldn't have handled this any worse if they'd tried.

erik_t Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:16:04am

re: #12 Charles

Well, they could also sue Perry for that (now legally-mandated) apology.

ProGunLiberal Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:16:56am

re: #6 lawhawk

He's trying to pull a Scientology.

That is to say, he is trying shut up the reasonable and truthful reporting of facts and criticism through abuse of law.

Edit: There is a good reason why the Scientology Protesters a few years ago were wearing masks. Scientology has a history of harassing those who criticize them.

Or worse.

allegro Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:17:52am

It looks to me that the best the NRA can do is allow the now slandered woman ("she's making it all up!") to make her statement and then get the hell out of the way. It appears to me that non-disclosure has been nullified by Cain's statements and the NRA has been put into the position of having to justify its actions, i.e. giving the women settlements. The association wouldn't seem to have anything to gain by supporting Cain.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:18:10am

re: #12 Charles

Cain's campaign is strictly amateur hour.

Which is exactly why this gives Cain credentials as a Tea Party candidate. The more politically amateurish, the better.

lawhawk Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:18:27am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

so much for the Republicans being against frivolous lawsuits but I guess their frivolous lawsuits are ok.

It's not frivolous in that someone in the Cain camp may they think that the lawsuits would essentially put a gag order on everyone - since their words and actions would come under the purview of the case at hand.

I think they're going to be sorely disappointed - and they were even walking back the notion of a suit yesterday.

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:18:52am

The beclowning continues.

"I am the Koch Brothers' brother from another mother." -- Herman Cain, 11/4/11

Seriously. He just said that.

albusteve Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:18:56am

I hope we get all the juicy details

aagcobb Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:19:45am

re: #17 lawhawk

Exactly, they were never going to sue; it was nothing but bluster.

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:20:25am

re: #12 Charles

Cain's campaign is strictly amateur hour. They couldn't have handled this any worse if they'd tried.

It's worse than amateur hour. It's happy hour.

I just...I cannot wrap my mind around this. I mean, I suppose I may be (And probably am) highly underestimating just how little the average person understands the law, which when combined with partisanship may make this an effective bluff for political purposes.

But seriously, Politico must be licking their lips at this. More publicity and traffic. The possibility of discovery. Getting legal fees and quite potentially additional awards should the Cain camp actually go through with this.

ProGunLiberal Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:20:40am

re: #18 Gus 802

No way. Holy Shit, this is entertaining.

I wanted to hear Lawhawk's opinion on my comparison earlier. I think I'm correct in it.

erik_t Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:21:21am

re: #21 Simply Sarah

It's dangerous, or at least potentially painful, to lick your lips while laughing out loud.

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:21:42am

Cain: I Am The Koch Bros. 'Brother From Another Mother'

Herman Cain is not worried about the stories connecting him with the progressive movement’s Enemy Number 1 (and 2), the Koch Brothers.

Speaking at a Koch-funded Americans For Prosperity summit in DC Friday, Cain embraced the Kochs — and then some. Cain said he was “very proud” to know the Kochs.

“I am the Koch brother’s brother from another mother,” Cain said.

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:21:49am

This woman is going to get the right wing blog treatment when she speaks this afternoon.

Kragar Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:21:49am

re: #18 Gus 802

The beclowning continues.

"I am the Koch Brothers' brother from another mother." -- Herman Cain, 11/4/11

Seriously. He just said that.

That is the 100% authentic blackness the GOP loves.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:22:00am

re: #16 000G

Which is exactly why this gives Cain credentials as a Tea Party candidate. The more politically amateurish, the better.

Case in point:

Youtube Video

Oh, and they're also now dragging out that old "Obama had gay orgies" smear.

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:22:06am

re: #6 lawhawk

Who is counseling Cain to go this route?.

The esteemed political consulting firm Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe.

Cain is getting some of the worst advice I've ever seen.

erik_t Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:22:22am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That is the 100% authentic blackness the GOP loves.

None! None more black!

Kragar Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:23:15am

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

Next Tuesday, Virginia voters will decide whether they want to elect former state Rep. David Black as a state senator. Luckily for Virginians, Black has a substantial record by which to judge him. In 2005, Black proposed investigating all Virginians to see if any Virginians adopting a child were gay. He is also well-known for sending plastic fetuses to lawmakers to advertise his anti-abortion stance. He also fought to allow pharmacies to refuse to sell birth control, or what he called “baby pesticides.” But perhaps Black’s shining moment came when he stood against the prosecution of spousal rape cases in 2002 because, after all, “how on earth could you validly get a conviction in a husband-wife rape when they’re living together, sleeping in the same bed, she’s in a nightie,” he said. “There’s no injury, there’s no separation, or anything.”

makeitstop Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:23:21am

re: #6 lawhawk

Who is counseling Cain to go this route?

My best guess is that Cain is probably the one talking about suing, even if he'll get laughed out of court.

I read somewhere yesterday that Cain has stopped listening to his advisors.

Yet another reason why this hot-head should not be president. He's showing more and more of a tendency to get pissy.

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:24:42am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

I'd respond to that, but Charles would be obligated to ban me for it. =P

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:25:12am

I'm going to need combat pay if I'm going to keep reading some of this stuff.

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:25:33am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

It's really hard to type when I'm twitching so much and having trouble seeing. Also when all I want to type is a long string of profanity and cursing.

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:26:00am

re: #31 makeitstop

My best guess is that Cain is probably the one talking about suing, even if he'll get laughed out of court.

I read somewhere yesterday that Cain has stopped listening to his advisors.

Yet another reason why this hot-head should not be president. He's showing more and more of a tendency to get pissy.

So...he's gone maverick?

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:26:14am

re: #29 erik_t

None! None more black!

And every black who doesn't vote for our gaggle of confederates is RACIST against POOR US!!!

ProGunLiberal Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:26:48am

re: #34 Simply Sarah

I hope a scorpion gets to his parts.

lawhawk Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:27:31am

The WaPo is calling for the Cain campaign to put forth its lawsuit promptly. They've got to put up or shut up - and shutting up isn't an option.

But here’s why you must follow through on the vague “legal options” threat you outlined to a Washington Post reporter: A good old civil complaint will break this info-logjam that has burdened the media and the National Restaurant Association all week long.

A suit will allow extensive discovery privileges to both parties to the case. That means that Politico could avail itself of court authority to bust loose all the documents that refuse to out themselves. The separation agreements, internal restaurant association memos on the disputes, and maybe even some killer e-mails — they’d all land in a court docket for public inspection.

These confidential documents are proving stubborn. Every major media outlet in the country has been hustling to get them, with marginal results. When news breaks on this story, it’s often based on anonymous sources that few appear to believe. Only a judicial proceeding can force all of this into the light of day.

Good thinking, Cain campaign. File that suit. I’ll even volunteer to run it down to the courthouse for you.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:27:34am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

Well, holy shit.

makeitstop Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:28:33am

re: #35 Simply Sarah

So...he's gone maverick?

Or rogue. One or the other.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:28:38am

re: #16 000G

Which is exactly why this gives Cain credentials as a Tea Party candidate. The more politically amateurish, the better.

[Link: www.EvenWorseThanChristineODonnell.com...]

ProGunLiberal Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:29:02am

re: #38 lawhawk

Hey, I haven't heard what you thought of my comparison.

Also, the Federal German Government considers Scientology a National Security threat of a scale just behind Islamist Terror and Organized Crime.

Obdicut Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:29:07am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

That should lead to the question, "So, sir, have you ever forced your wife to have sex when she didn't want to?"

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:30:08am

re: #40 makeitstop

Or rogue. One or the other.

Maybe rouge?

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:30:12am

James Lewis over at The American Thinker doubles down on the fail:

I Forgive Herman Cain, the Only Conservative Left

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:30:12am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

Well, that sure is a novel way of saying she wants it. e_e

aagcobb Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:30:17am

re: #43 Obdicut

That should lead to the question, "So, sir, have you ever forced your wife to have sex when she didn't want to?"

Would I get any otherwise?/

Kragar Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:30:21am

re: #43 Obdicut

That should lead to the question, "So, sir, have you ever forced your wife to have sex when she didn't want to?"

"Of course not. You could ask her yourself, but she is recovering from her weekly fall down the stairs."

lawhawk Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:30:49am

re: #42 ProLifeLiberal

If you're talking about the Scientologists' use of suits against their foes versus Cain's proposed use here? I think that's a valid comparison. In both cases, the idea is to use the law as a club to silence opposition.

However, the club swings both ways, and right now I think Cain doesn't realize what kind of door he's opening up.

ProGunLiberal Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:31:51am

re: #49 lawhawk

That's my thought.

I honestly wish Law Enforcement in the US would investigate Scientology. They've done a whole host of shady actions. Europe has the right idea on this one.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:32:31am

re: #43 Obdicut

That should lead to the question, "So, sir, have you ever forced your wife to have sex when she didn't want to?"

She said the word "yes" once, at the altar. So obviously, she wanted it.

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:32:54am

More right wing fail:

Could the accusations against Herman Cain sink Mitt Romney?

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:33:39am

re: #41 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

[Link: www.EvenWorseThanChristineODonnell.com...]

Coming up next...

www.shithermancainsays.com

makeitstop Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:34:47am

re: #49 lawhawk

If you're talking about the Scientologists' use of suits against their foes versus Cain's proposed use here? I think that's a valid comparison. In both cases, the idea is to use the law as a club to silence opposition.

However, the club swings both ways, and right now I think Cain doesn't realize what kind of door he's opening up.

Are those what are referred to as SLAPP suits?

I was involved in propagating an internet meme about Michael Savage years ago, and as a result I was served with a lawsuit demanding $3 million in damages. After the lawyer advising me told Savage's lawyers what we would be asking for in discovery, they very quietly dropped the suit.

It would have revealed a lot of info that Savage apparently didn't want people to know about.

allegro Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:36:10am

re: #52 Lidane

More right wing fail:

Could the accusations against Herman Cain sink Mitt Romney?

This shit is making it harder and harder to avoid going on a bannable-offense-level rant, innit?

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:36:19am

Let's go to the video tape:

Cain: 'I Am The Koch Brothers' Brother From Another Mother'

Youtube Video

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:36:30am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

The fuck. Man does Virginia need to keep the Dems as the majority party in the state Senate though. Do not be fooled by Bob McDonnells moderate demeanor, he's nuts.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:36:44am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Virginia GOP State Senate Candidate: A Married Woman Can’t Be Raped Because, After All, ‘She’s In A Nightie’

Note to self: never wear anything resembling a nightgown in this person's presence.

Vicious Babushka Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:37:17am

re: #53 Gus 802

Coming up next...

www.shithermancainsays.com

You rickrolled me!
//

RadicalModerate Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:37:54am

re: #45 Lidane

James Lewis over at The American Thinker doubles down on the fail:

I Forgive Herman Cain, the Only Conservative Left

About the only things he got right was the fact that he recognized Andrew Jackson's monetary policy was an absolute disaster (unlike our current "end the fed" crop), and isn't a denier regarding slavery being the root cause of the Civil War (unlike a majority of the Tea Partiers)

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:38:31am

Speaking of lawsuits. Another crazy winger...

Lively Contemplating Defamation Lawsuit Because "Some Crazy Vietnam Vet" Might Be Induced To Shoot Him

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:39:11am

re: #42 ProLifeLiberal

Hey, I haven't heard what you thought of my comparison.

Also, the Federal German Government considers Scientology a National Security threat of a scale just behind Islamist Terror and Organized Crime.

The ones selling "Dianetics" and giving stress tests in the BART station don't look dangerous. Just high.

lawhawk Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:39:14am

re: #54 makeitstop

Yes, this is what would appear to be a SLAPP suit in the making.

RadicalModerate Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:40:34am

re: #61 Gus 802

Speaking of lawsuits. Another crazy winger...

Lively Contemplating Defamation Lawsuit Because "Some Crazy Vietnam Vet" Might Be Induced To Shoot Him

As opposed to the gay Nazis that he has delusions about?

wrenchwench Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:41:34am

re: #52 Lidane

More right wing fail:

Could the accusations against Herman Cain sink Mitt Romney?

Last time I saw a stretch like that was just before the bungee cord broke.

Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:43:04am

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Note to self: never wear anything resembling a nightgown in this person's presence.

So...how do you think his logic would be applied to all the college students going around in their PJs?

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:43:18am

re: #39 Varek Raith

Well, holy shit.

Sounds like someone who should be on the receiving end of Dark Helmet's Schwartz powers.

RadicalModerate Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:46:00am

re: #65 wrenchwench

Last time I saw a stretch like that was just before the bungee cord broke.

I have a proposition:
New official symbol of the Republican Party

Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:46:03am

Democrats hatch new jobs bill plan

Democrats say it will be near impossible for Republicans to oppose their latest jobs bill — the Vow to Hire Heroes Act — just days before Veterans Day. The bill wouldn’t only put veterans to work – it would be paid for by adjusting the fee structure for Veterans Affairs Department home loans, a pay-for that’s been backed by both parties.
...
So far, the Democratic strategy has been to keep forcing Republicans to vote against their jobs bills – particularly those benefitting teachers, first responders, and now veterans – in hopes voters will blame the GOP for congressional inaction and abandon the party in the crucial 2012 election.

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:46:54am

re: #55 allegro

This shit is making it harder and harder to avoid going on a bannable-offense-level rant, innit?

Just wait. If Obama wins a second term, the fail on the right will make their current idiocy look like child's play.

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:48:03am

re: #70 Lidane

Just wait. If Obama wins a second term, the fail on the right will make their current idiocy look like child's play.

If Romney's the nominee, they will convince themselves that they lost because they weren't conservative enough.

Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:48:29am

re: #70 Lidane

Just wait. If Obama wins a second term, the fail on the right will make their current idiocy look like child's play.

If they win they'll just double down on the crazy because they think it's working for them. It's a no win situation.

jaunte Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:48:48am

This is the downside of Cain's 'business experience.' Bluffing and bullying appear to be a workable political strategy to make problems disappear.

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:49:50am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Democrats say it will be near impossible for Republicans to oppose their latest jobs bill — the Vow to Hire Heroes Act — just days before Veterans Day.

Pfft. The Democrats could offer a cure for cancer, an end to oil dependence on the Middle East, and full employment and the GOP would still oppose it.

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:51:18am

The Herman Cain organization reminds me of the Church of Scientology.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:51:58am

re: #75 Gus 802

The Herman Cain organization reminds me of the Church of Scientology.

Image: tom-cruise-on-oprah.jpg

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:52:57am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

If they win they'll just double down on the crazy because they think it's working for them. It's a no win situation.

Yep. Which is why Mitt Romney should just go on vacation for the next year and let the GOP nominate Cain or Bachmann or whoever.

There aren't any good options left. Might as well let the GOP get curbstomped at the polls.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:52:59am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

The fuck. Man does Virginia need to keep the Dems as the majority party in the state Senate though. Do not be fooled by Bob McDonnells moderate demeanor, he's nuts.

Regent Law/CBN/Pat Robertson U grad.

Tells us everything we need to know.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:53:34am

re: #75 Gus 802

The Herman Cain organization reminds me of the Church of Scientology.

Baffling in its appeal?

allegro Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:54:26am

re: #78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Regent Law/CBN/Pat Robertson U grad.

Tells us everything we need to know.

Goodness. That would make me want to handle his resume with tweezers.

Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:55:08am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Baffling in its appeal?

The defensiveness. The threats of suing. The hokus pokus like 9-9-9. The spastic wackiness.

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:55:57am

re: #78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Regent Law/CBN/Pat Robertson U grad.

Tells us everything we need to know.

Yeah I agree but he won in a landslide against a guy who ran a tight race with him for AG just two years prior. All I am saying is do not underestimate him. He's a smart politician. Miserable politically especially on choice. I've seen him twice these past two weeks protesting the clinic restriction bill he's going to sign. He's not stupid like George Allen was and won't call a kid a bigoted slur.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:56:02am

"...as consistent as human beings can be."
-Mitt Romney.

ROFL

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:57:14am

re: #80 allegro

Goodness. That would make me want to handle his resume with tweezers.

You're telling me. He likes to present himself as a reasonable guy. He's not. But he is a smart campaigner and it wouldn't shock me if Romney if nominated made him his running mate.

erik_t Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:57:22am

re: #83 Varek Raith

Mitt Romney consistently takes the position that he thinks will most benefit Mitt Romney.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:58:32am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Yeah I agree but he won in a landslide against a guy who ran a tight race with him for AG just two years prior. All I am saying is do not underestimate him. He's a smart politician. Miserable politically especially on choice. I've seen him twice these past two weeks protesting the clinic restriction bill he's going to sign. He's not stupid like George Allen was and won't call a kid a bigoted slur.

Oh, I agree. People like that are quite shrewd and very ruthless.

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:58:55am

re: #85 erik_t

Mitt Romney consistently takes the position that he thinks will most benefit Mitt Romney.

And people think he's a flip-flopper. Heh.

allegro Fri, Nov 4, 2011 11:59:28am

re: #87 Lidane

And people think he's a flip-flopper. Heh.

That's just what he wants you to believe... today. Maybe tomorrow... who knows?

Lidane Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:00:19pm

re: #88 allegro

That's just what he wants you to believe... today. Maybe tomorrow... who knows?

We don't know what direction the wind will blow, but you can rest assured that Mitt will be right there following it.

Hahahaha.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:01:20pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

If they win they'll just double down on the crazy because they think it's working for them. It's a no win situation.

Definitely a no-win situation for conservatives. Plus they drag down the rest of the country with them, allowing this stupid b.s. The only thing left to do is try and convince the left to stay home, which is a possibility but I don't think it will happen, after getting trounced in the House in 2010.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:02:50pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

You're telling me. He likes to present himself as a reasonable guy. He's not. But he is a smart campaigner and it wouldn't shock me if Romney if nominated made him his running mate.

Was that Marshall or McDonnel with the whole Hugh Finn case?

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:05:32pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

You're telling me. He likes to present himself as a reasonable guy. He's not. But he is a smart campaigner and it wouldn't shock me if Romney if nominated made him his running mate.

Yeah, nothing these people do would shock me. I do still think they are going to have to try and get somebody normal for runningmate, after a primary and election season of stupid. One would hope, at least. But there seem to be many rewards for stupid on the right.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:05:53pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

Bob Marshall.
What a dick.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:06:31pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

Was that Marshall or McDonnel with the whole Hugh Finn case?

I don't know the case honestly but I googled and I saw alot about Manassas. That's Marshall's turf since McD is based out of the Richmond burbs I believe. Marshall thankfully I doubt could reach high office here. Breaks my heart to think we nearly got the Cooch out a couple years ago. Telling ya, working with the campus Dems has really showed me how important local politics is. Helping the guy running aisnt Dave Albo tomorrow actually. Jack Dobbin's a good dude.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:07:19pm

re: #92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, nothing these people do would shock me. I do still think they are going to have to try and get somebody normal for runningmate, after a primary and election season of stupid. One would hope, at least. But there seem to be many rewards for stupid on the right.

Well, as the smell of desperation gets stronger expect to see lots of stuff intended to reduce voter turnout or complicate voter registration and the voting process itself.

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:08:09pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Bob Marshall.
What a dick.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Figured. Showing my age here but I wasn't even 12 when this happened. I remember Gilmore mostly for his repeal the car tax ads though. Remember those? I thought it was shallow even then.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:09:34pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

I don't know the case honestly but I googled and I saw alot about Manassas. That's Marshall's turf since McD is based out of the Richmond burbs I believe. Marshall thankfully I doubt could reach high office here. Breaks my heart to think we nearly got the Cooch out a couple years ago. Telling ya, working with the campus Dems has really showed me how important local politics is. Helping the guy running aisnt Dave Albo tomorrow actually. Jack Dobbin's a good dude.

Yep, I was a kid when that happened. My mom was a speech language pathologist at that nursing home. I remember how pissed off she was at the Governor for interfering with this. She hates Marshall and Gilmore with a passion.

Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:12:19pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I remember those ads.
Lol.
How old are ya? I just turned 28 on the second.

HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:12:27pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Yep, I was a kid when that happened. My mom was a speech language pathologist at that nursing home. I remember how pissed off she was at the Governor for interfering with this. She hates Marshall and Gilmore with a passion.

Can't stand them both either. Speaking of Gilmore, man what a flop. First he humiliates himself running for the Republican nomination in 2008 and then Mark Warner whips his ass running for the Senate. I never saw a landslide so big in a race between two former governors. But that goes to show you how much people like Mark here. I've only met him once but I like the guy.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:12:56pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

I remember those ads.
Lol.
How old are ya? I just turned 28 on the second.

I turned 24 in July.

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Kragar Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:14:59pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I turned 24 in July.

I turned 19 in August.

Mind you it wasn't August of this year.

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Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:15:04pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

I remember those ads.
Lol.
How old are ya? I just turned 28 on the second.

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I turned 24 in July.

What the hell? 24 and 28? You kids get off my lawn!

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Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:15:24pm

re: #102 Gus 802

re: #100 HappyWarrior

What the hell? 24 and 28? You kids get off my lawn!

//

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Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:16:36pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I turned 19 in August.

Mind you it wasn't August of this year.

1914?

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:17:35pm

re: #104 Gus 802

1914?

//

"The most beautiful summer in a hundred years," they said.

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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:17:41pm

re: #102 Gus 802

re: #100 HappyWarrior

What the hell? 24 and 28? You kids get off my lawn!

//

If it makes ya feel better I got arthritis in my knees thanks to a crazy growth spurt when I was in the sixth grade.
:P

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Gus Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:18:26pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

If it makes ya feel better I got arthritis in my knees thanks to a crazy growth spurt when I was in the sixth grade.
:P

Did you learn how to drive in a white 4-door Buick?

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Simply Sarah Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:18:32pm

Probably something already mentioned earlier, but this is fucked up enough that it should be linked again in that case:

Victim Ordered to Pay Attacker Spousal Support

She was forced to have sex with him, and now she's being forced to pay his bills.

Crystal Harris of Carlsbad, Calif., had been financially supporting her unemployed, abusive husband Shawn Harris for years. But after he sexually assaulted her in 2008, she took him to court.

The jury heard a damning audiotape of the attack secretly recorded by Crystal Harris, and her husband was convicted of forced oral copulation.

Even so, in 2010, the year their divorce became finalized, he requested spousal support. The judge awarded him $1,000 a month, and also asked Crystal Harris to pay $47,000 of her ex-husband's legal fees from the divorce proceedings.
...

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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:19:12pm

Will this year's Hajj have an ‘Arab Spring’ effect?

"This idea of freedom and dignity is spreading like wildfire, and at a gathering like the Hajj it's conceivable that the electricity coming from these ideas will be picked up," says Akbar Ahmed, the chair of Islamic Studies at American University. "This is what scares the Saudi bureaucracy."

"There are thousands of pilgrims who want to topple the established order of the Saudi monarchy," he says.

But Ahmed and others say the Hajj's effects on the Arab Spring are just as likely to be much broader, as many pilgrims share notes on uprisings and overthrows before returning home to countries ruled by despots.

Ironic.

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Varek Raith Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:19:37pm

re: #107 Gus 802

Did you learn how to drive in a white 4-door Buick?

//

No, a 1992 Ford 150.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:20:01pm

re: #104 Gus 802

1914?

//

There's a book on my to read list.

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dragonfire1981 Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:20:36pm

To shed some light on the Virginia/GOP/rape guy, many Christians believe the Bible explicitly directs wives to have sex with their husband whenever he wants to, even if she doesn't.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:25:09pm

re: #112 dragonfire1981

To shed some light on the Virginia/GOP/rape guy, many Christians believe the Bible explicitly directs wives to have sex with their husband whenever he wants to, even if she doesn't.

To shed more, North Carolina was the last state to legislate against marital rape. In 1993.

South Dakota, which for some reason is always ahead of the curve on these things, did so in 1970.

I understand the English legal argument. What Biblical authority can they find?

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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:30:53pm

re: #104 Gus 802

1914?

//

On of the great books on history. A Distant Mirror though, was even greater.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:34:47pm

re: #114 wlewisiii

On of the great books on history. A Distant Mirror though, was even greater.

That sounds like a good read too. My bulk of history interest/reading is from French revolution to the present by and large. I've never been that into Greek and Roman history. I mean it's not boring but it doesn't grapple my imagination the way the World Wars and other things do.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:37:30pm

Wives, submit.

But isn't this why a lot of those conservative christian males go through with marriage, anyway, to be guaranteed unlimited access to their own personal piece of ass? One gets the sense that's how the see it, anyway.

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

To shed more, North Carolina was the last state to legislate against marital rape. In 1993.

South Dakota, which for some reason is always ahead of the curve on these things, did so in 1970.

I understand the English legal argument. What Biblical authority can they find?

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garhighway Fri, Nov 4, 2011 1:19:31pm

re: #112 dragonfire1981

To shed some light on the Virginia/GOP/rape guy, many Christians believe the Bible explicitly directs wives to have sex with their husband whenever he wants to, even if she doesn't.

And get him beer.

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