The Right’s Sudden Pious Racial Indignation

Fake outrage over a “high tech lynching”
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It’s amazing how quickly right wingers can switch from “there’s no such thing as racism” to “you’re a racist because you’re criticizing our token minority candidate.”

Leonard Pitts Jr. has a good piece on the right’s sudden pious racial indignation over Herman Cain’s offenses.

Do you think it gives Clarence Thomas a warm, fuzzy feeling to know he is one of Ann Coulter’s blacks?

That is how Coulter put it on Fox “News” while defending Herman Cain against sexual harassment charges that threatened to engulf his campaign last week. Liberals, she said, detest black conservatives, but the truth is, “our blacks are so much better than their blacks.”

“Our” blacks? Really?

Social conservative pundits tend to be astonishingly obtuse when discussing race (See Exhibit A above), so it is good they rarely do so. Last week was an unfortunate exception, as one of “their” blacks struggled to frame a coherent response to allegations that he harassed female colleagues in the 1990s when he headed the National Restaurant Association. Though accusations of sexual impropriety have beset a bipartisan Who’s Who of black and white politicians, the right wing came out in force to argue that people are only questioning Cain because he is a black conservative.

This would be the same Cain who not so long ago said racism was no longer a significant obstacle for African Americans. This would be the same right wing that is conspicuous by its silence, its hostility or its complicity when the injustice system imposes mass incarceration on young black men, when the number of hate groups in this country spikes to over a thousand, when the black unemployment rate stands at twice the national average, when the president is called “uppity” and “boy.”

But they scream in pious racial indignation when Cain is asked questions he doesn’t want to answer.

And for good measure, the answer to the question, “Why don’t blacks vote Republican?”

The answer is simple. Black people are not crazy. Being not crazy, they understand a simple truth about conservatives: They have never stood with, or up for, black people. Never.

Forget modern controversies like mass incarceration. Social conservatives, then based largely in the Democratic Party of the early to mid 20th century, opposed the Voting Rights Act. They opposed the Civil Rights Act. They opposed school integration. They opposed the Montgomery Bus Boycott. They opposed a law to crack down on lynching.

These are the people for whom African Americans are now supposed to vote? To make the argument is to betray a stunning contempt for the intelligence — and memory — of black voters.

In talking about race, conservatives have all the moral authority of a pimp talking about women’s rights. Granted, “their” blacks might disagree.

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614 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:12:15pm

I don’t care about race on this. If he’s a letch? Then just eww.

2 Mongo only pawn... in game of life.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:15:10pm

Amazing, isn’t it?

3 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:16:36pm
And for good measure, the answer to the question, “Why don’t blacks vote Republican?”

Lol

4 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:18:25pm
5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:20:27pm
It’s amazing how quickly right wingers can switch from “there’s no such thing as racism” to “you’re a racist because you’re criticizing our token minority candidate.”

And what black person doesn’t aspire to be used as a bat to beat other blacks including the POUTS, and appeal to Confederate flagwavers in the GOP base?

They’ll use every nonwhite in their path as tokens, that way. But if HC and the 16 other Black Republicans aren’t respected, it’s because they allow it.

6 palomino  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:21:07pm

And right wing pundits’ newfound racial sensitivity (but only for black Republicans) may be too little, too late. Cain is already slipping in some polls.

7 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:22:22pm

I’ve always liked Pitts. Good commentator.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:22:42pm
Social conservatives, then based largely in the Democratic Party of the early to mid 20th century

Good preemption.

9 makeitstop  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:23:15pm

re: #6 palomino

And right wing pundits’ newfound racial sensitivity (but only for black Republicans) may be too little, too late. Cain is already slipping in some polls.

Tell Newt to straighten his tie, he’s up next.
/

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:25:43pm

One thing he didn’t touch on when talking about why black voters keep away from the Republican Party is that the whole “Party of Lincoln” line is BS in this day and age. Prior to the 60s, the Republican Party was a party deeply rooted in the idea of equality and opportunity, but it was also a pragmatic one. Even in the 1850s, when Lincoln initially became a member and before he became the scourge of every Neo-Confederate, the Republican Party preached gradual abolition and emancipation of America’s black population.

Nowadays, invoking the “Party of Lincoln” bit is a smokescreen for the reality that the conservatives of yesterday who voted Democrat and pushed the “states rights” argument today vote Republican while pushing the “states rights” arguments. And that has a great deal to do with the creation of the “Southern Strategy” during Nixon’s first run and the GOP’s adoption of such as a means of taking hold of the South. Today, arguing that the Republican Party of the South is the same as the one that existed in the 1950s is utter BS.

11 makeitstop  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:27:27pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nowadays, the GOP is the party of ‘Lincoln was a RINO.’
/

12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:28:58pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

This is how dumb the rightwing is, that they think we’ll fall for something this basic:

I’m still waiting for any of these conservative white bigots to explain how the party of Lincoln can also run candidates on the Confederate flag, or defend segregation schools as “parental choice.”

They cannot explain that.

13 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:29:42pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

One thing he didn’t touch on when talking about why black voters keep away from the Republican Party is that the whole “Party of Lincoln” line is BS in this day and age. Prior to the 60s, the Republican Party was a party deeply rooted in the idea of equality and opportunity, but it was also a pragmatic one. Even in the 1850s, when Lincoln initially became a member and before he became the scourge of every Neo-Confederate, the Republican Party preached gradual abolition and emancipation of America’s black population.

Nowadays, invoking the “Party of Lincoln” bit is a smokescreen for the reality that the conservatives of yesterday who voted Democrat and pushed the “states rights” argument today vote Republican while pushing the “states rights” arguments. And that has a great deal to do with the creation of the “Southern Strategy” during Nixon’s first run and the GOP’s adoption of such as a means of taking hold of the South. Today, arguing that the Republican Party of the South is the same as the one that existed in the 1950s is utter BS.

Ike routinely got +/- 50% of the black vote.

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:31:44pm

re: #12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

This is how dumb the rightwing is, that they think we’ll fall for something this basic:

I’m still waiting for any of these conservative white bigots to explain how the party of Lincoln can also run candidates on the Confederate flag, or defend segregation schools as “parental choice.”

They cannot explain that.

“Cultural diversity” ;)

15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:31:57pm

re: #6 palomino

And right wing pundits’ newfound racial sensitivity (but only for black Republicans) may be too little, too late. Cain is already slipping in some polls.

That’s because the only people who buy into this crap are dumb confederates.

Thing is, sex scandal or no sex scandal, the GOP isn’t going to make Bubba McWhitesheet choose between Cain and Obama. Cain has a temporary advantage over them on this.

16 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:31:57pm

re: #11 makeitstop

Nowadays, the GOP is the party of ‘Lincoln was a RINO.’
/

He is called much worse today…

17 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:32:50pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Ike routinely got +/- 50% of the black vote.

They just voted for him because he’s, oh wait..

19 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:33:12pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Ike routinely got +/- 50% of the black vote.

Ayep. One of the other half-truths I get told all the time now is how “Dr. King was a Republican!” Which is true, he was, but that’s because the Republican Party of his day was one that was preaching the “Civil Rights” mantra while the Democrats were preaching that black folks are racially inferior and thus not entitled to the same rights as white folk. Assuming Dr. King was alive today, I very much doubt he’d have remained a Republican.

20 Firstinla  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:34:13pm

I remember watching Eisenhower’s inauguration on TV. I think it was the first time a presidential inauguration was televised.

21 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:34:52pm

re: #16 000G

He is called much worse today…

Case in point:

Timothy Sandefur is one self-declared libertarian who regularly gives DiLorenzo, Woods, Napolitano et al some pushback on that question: [Link: sandefur.typepad.com…]

22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:35:08pm

re: #14 oaktree

“Cultural diversity” ;)

Ha, cultural diversity, where your culture is over there and mine is over here and we all pay taxes for the city to arrest anyone who crosses the line.

I love their newfound discovery of sexism thanks to the Palin candidacy, after generations of denying its existence, too.

I do wonder who they think they are kidding, though.

23 Michael McBacon  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:36:38pm

I’m not a racist but it’s racist if you call me a racist.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:36:50pm

re: #20 Firstinla

I remember watching Eisenhower’s inauguration on TV. I think it was the first time a presidential inauguration was televised.

My political memory begins with Reagan’s first inauguration.

Not necessarily the most auspicious moment for me to have tuned in, but what the hell, I was six.

25 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:37:34pm

I don’t even get the argument that this is racially based. It makes no sense. We’ve had Clinton, Edwards, Weiner, Vitter, Sanford, Foley, etc. etc. all of whom are white dudes with sexual scandals in the very recent past. The media has gone ape for all of these. So how on earth do they get to the conclusion that this story has any racial component?

Makes zero sense.

As does all the talk about Cain being authentically black, or more black because he comes from American black stock rather than African. I mean, that is so obviously racist right on the face of it that it’s hard to take anyone saying it seriously.

26 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:38:25pm

re: #23 UNIXon

Oh yeah, that’s another one. If you point out that the Right loves Cain simply because he happens to be black while regurgitating the GOP’s talking points, they get uptight and start screaming about how they’re not racists, but rather you are because you’re “afraid” of a black Republican becoming president.

27 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:38:29pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

My political memory begins with Reagan’s first inauguration.

Not necessarily the most auspicious moment for me to have tuned in, but what the hell, I was six.

Checkers Speech. It was touching.

28 Firstinla  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:39:43pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Checkers Speech. It was touching.

I remember it well. Also, too, as I recall, Pat wore a cloth coat.

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:39:45pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Ike routinely got +/- 50% of the black vote.

Ike is such an unusual moment in American history in so many ways. I’m not sure that anything from his two terms really can be used outside of a near Washington-esque two terms. I recall reading, for example, that he chose to be a Republican only because the Democrats had held office for so long at that point. It may or may not be truth but it rings true …

30 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:39:45pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don’t think that it’s just because he’s black, but also because he has the illusion of being a Washington outsider, as well. Even though he was a lobbyist and worked for the Federal Reserve, he’s referred to as the ex-CEO, exclusively. This fits into the GOP delusion that being a CEO is a good preparation for being president.

31 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:40:17pm

re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ayep. One of the other half-truths I get told all the time now is how “Dr. King was a Republican!” Which is true, he was, but that’s because the Republican Party of his day was one that was preaching the “Civil Rights” mantra while the Democrats were preaching that black folks are racially inferior and thus not entitled to the same rights as white folk. Assuming Dr. King was alive today, I very much doubt he’d have remained a Republican.

Lol like any white conservative knows fuck-all about “Dr. King”.

32 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:41:02pm

re: #23 UNIXon

I am rubber, you are clue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

33 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:41:21pm

re: #28 Firstinla

I remember it well. Also, too, as I recall, Pat wore a cloth coat.

Good Republican Cloth Coat

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:41:21pm

re: #25 Obdicut

Idiots claim that there is a play on the “oversexed black male” racist stereotype. The problem is, the whole issue is based on concrete pieces of evidence.

35 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:41:21pm
The answer is simple. Black people are not crazy. Being not crazy, they understand a simple truth about conservatives: They have never stood with, or up for, black people. Never.

But…but…

Image: MLKGOP.jpg

Oh, and for good measure, here’s the right attempting to “reach out” to the black community. Warning: that link contains some weapons grade derp.

36 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:42:06pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am rubber, you are clue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Col Mustard in the billiard room with the lead pipe!

37 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:42:16pm

They did the same thing with women when Palin was picked for VP too. Remember Rush is the one who popularized the term feminazi but all of sudden any liberal who criticized Palin’s experience and stances on the issues was a sexist.

38 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:42:28pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh yeah, that’s another one. If you point out that the Right loves Cain simply because he happens to be black while regurgitating the GOP’s talking points, they get uptight and start screaming about how they’re not racists, but rather you are because you’re “afraid” of a black Republican becoming president.

Rotfl, you are also afraid of the gorgeous babe from Alaska becoming VP because you are sexists and gawd she is so hawt.

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:42:31pm

re: #34 Sergey Romanov

Idiots claim that there is a play on the “oversexed black male” racist stereotype. The problem is, the whole issue is based on concrete pieces of evidence.

They’re also using a “poltically correct” argument, and not even in a “by your own standards” way. Laff riot.

40 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:42:38pm

re: #34 Sergey Romanov

Huckabee seems to think it’s based on Popeye’s spicy fried chicken.

41 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:42:40pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

My political memory begins with Reagan’s first inauguration.

Not necessarily the most auspicious moment for me to have tuned in, but what the hell, I was six.

Better than mine - watching CBS on election night 1972 as Nixon steamrollered McGovern.

42 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:43:03pm

re: #30 Obdicut

I don’t think that it’s just because he’s black, but also because he has the illusion of being a Washington outsider, as well. Even though he was a lobbyist and worked for the Federal Reserve, he’s referred to as the ex-CEO, exclusively. This fits into the GOP delusion that being a CEO is a good preparation for being president.

Oh, he’s like the greatest thing that’s happened to the GOP in awhile. He’s a “successful businessman” who has run for political office before, is a “Washington outsider” who happens to be funded by the Koch brothers, has boiled down his entire economic strategy to a cutesy mantra that means fuck-all but sells well to the base, and did I mention he’s black while doing all this?

He’s an absolute joke, but the base loves him because they see him somehow as the “anti-Obama.”

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:43:40pm

re: #41 wlewisiii

Better than mine - watching CBS on election night 1972 as Nixon steamrollered McGovern.

That’s roughly the earliest I remember as well.

44 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:44:07pm

re: #34 Sergey Romanov

Idiots claim that there is a play on the “oversexed black male” racist stereotype. The problem is, the whole issue is based on concrete pieces of evidence.

I’d say, beyond the problem of the actual evidence, it really doesn’t fit that stereotype, either. It much more fits the stereotype of white male sexuality, actually, the use of power and position to coerce sex. The stereotype of black men is one of physical force and aggressiveness, and of desiring white women.

If one heard the story “CEO uses his position to attempt to coerce sex from subordinate”, I’d say most people would assume that the CEO was white, since most CEOs are white.

Now— to OhCrap’s point— the race of the women was already known and they were young white women, that’d be playing into the stereotype. But they’re not, so it doesn’t.

45 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:44:23pm

re: #41 wlewisiii

Better than mine - watching CBS on election night 1972 as Nixon steamrollered McGovern.

JFK’s funeral.

46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:44:34pm

MLK was a Republican!

So if you stupid n*****s know what’s good for you, you better vote with the same people who think of you as apes and orangutangs!!

47 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:45:14pm

re: #38 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Rotfl, you are also afraid of the gorgeous babe from Alaska becoming VP because you are sexists and gawd she is so hawt.

Yep, how dare I speak against a female Republican? It’s all because she’s so pretty and I’m bitter that female Democrats are all ugly. Any right-thinking American would be totally taken in by Palin’s naughty librarian looks, even if she’s got all the intellectual depth of a puddle.

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48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:45:16pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

They did the same thing with women when Palin was VP too. Remember Rush is the one who popularized the term feminazi but all of sudden any liberal who criticized Palin’s experience and stances on the issues was a sexist.

Lol after 20 years of calling any non-con woman “feminazis”.

49 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:45:27pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

They did the same thing with women when Palin was picked for VP too. Remember Rush is the one who popularized the term feminazi but all of sudden any liberal who criticized Palin’s experience and stances on the issues was a sexist.

PIG MAHER!!!

No, seriously.

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:45:41pm

re: #46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

MLK was a Republican!

So if you stupid n*****s know what’s good for you, you better vote with the same people who think of you as apes and orangutangs!!

“Left turn Clyde.”

;)

Literally and figuratively I believe.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:45:46pm

re: #44 Obdicut

Great point.

52 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:46:12pm

re: #49 Atlas Fails

No, seriously.

Holy shit. That’s just tabloid level.

53 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:46:38pm

They’ll say oh MLK was a Republican and then they’ll badmouth everything MLK stood for.

54 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:46:43pm

re: #41 wlewisiii

Better than mine - watching CBS on election night 1972 as Nixon steamrollered McGovern.

My first memory of politics was when my 7th grade English teacher had us watch Nixon resign live on TV in class.

55 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:46:58pm

The right seems to want all black people (except Herman Cain) to be hip hop gangstas. Its like they expect Obama to rap the State of the Union address or something.

I swear one of the scariest things to them is an intelligent articulate black person.

56 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:47:06pm

re: #49 Atlas Fails

Bill Maher argued that Christian populism and anti-intellectualism have been steadily growing in the Republican party

Fox chose not to address his point.

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:47:10pm

re: #52 Obdicut

Holy shit. That’s just tabloid level.

Worse. Youtube comments level.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:47:11pm

re: #25 Obdicut

I don’t even get the argument that this is racially based. It makes no sense. We’ve had Clinton, Edwards, Weiner, Vitter, Sanford, Foley, etc. etc. all of whom are white dudes with sexual scandals in the very recent past. The media has gone ape for all of these. So how on earth do they get to the conclusion that this story has any racial component?

Makes zero sense.

As does all the talk about Cain being authentically black, or more black because he comes from American black stock rather than African. I mean, that is so obviously racist right on the face of it that it’s hard to take anyone saying it seriously.

I doubt any of Cain’s supporters believe that Cain can get the nomination, much less lead them to victory. However, they do seem to feel very strongly that his race should in some way shield him (and them) from criticism.

At least some of this seems to have to do with their rather obsessive belief that Obama’s race works like that.

“The president is a Kenyan Marxist, and his wife looks like Chewbacca! Here’s a picture of the president with a bone in his nose! Obama’s America! Segregated buses! Soon white people will lose all their rights!”

“God, you guys are racist!”

“Hmm. Criticizing black people gets you called racist. We gotta get a black guy. Then if anyone criticizes him, we can call THEM racists!!”

(Shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, return with Herman Cain. Pose Cain where people will see him.)

“Cain may have sexually harassed two colleagues back in the 1990s. His tax plan is stupid.”

“GOD, YOU GUYS ARE RACIST!”

“Huh?”

Now, in real life, they’re not that dumb. They know precisely what they’re doing. But that’s what it looks like at a casual glance.

59 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:47:49pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

They’ll say oh MLK was a Republican and then they’ll badmouth everything MLK stood for.

Lincoln and MLK were Republicans!! STATES’ RIGHTS!!!111

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:47:51pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh yeah, that’s another one. If you point out that the Right loves Cain simply because he happens to be black while regurgitating the GOP’s talking points, they get uptight and start screaming about how they’re not racists, but rather you are because you’re “afraid” of a black Republican becoming president.

I am not afraid of black Republicans.

(This doesn’t mean I’d ever piss off Condi Rice if I could help it, but still,)

I am not afraid of black Republicans!!

61 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:48:20pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re still mad at Obama for banning sport fishing.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:48:30pm

re: #28 Firstinla

I remember it well. Also, too, as I recall, Pat wore a cloth coat.

I’ve been meaning to write a rap piece about Michelle Obama’s clothes, and the attacks on them. And call it ‘Republican Cloth Coat’.

Unfortunately, I can’t rap.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:48:55pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Yesterday Buck tried to pull that on me. No longer a liberal-charitable-to-Buck here.

64 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:48:56pm

Something just occurred to me:

I bet if Cain gets elected some on the right will refer to him as “the REAL first black President”

65 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:01pm

re: #61 jaunte

They’re still mad at Obama for banning sport fishing.

Obama for banned sport fishing?

66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:12pm

re: #55 dragonfire1981

I swear one of the scariest things to them is an intelligent articulate black person.

fxd

67 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:21pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I am not afraid of black Republicans.

(This doesn’t mean I’d ever piss off Condi Rice if I could help it, but still,)

I am not afraid of black Republicans!!

Apparently if you were a liberal against Palin, you were afraid of “strong Republican women.” Yeah, it’s not that I can’t think she was unqualified for office or batsht

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:22pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

They did the same thing with women when Palin was picked for VP too. Remember Rush is the one who popularized the term feminazi but all of sudden any liberal who criticized Palin’s experience and stances on the issues was a sexist.

The GOP’s discovery of career feminism was truly a sight to behold.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:23pm

re: #61 jaunte

They’re still mad at Obama for banning sport fishing.

Afraid the ATF will turn up after their dynamite.
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70 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:42pm

re: #49 Atlas Fails

I’d also like to note that calling a Jewish man a pig ads a rather large extra layer of insult. I know Maher isn’t practicing, but still.

71 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:46pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Obama for banned sport fishing?

[Link: www.google.com…]

72 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:49pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Obama for banned sport fishing?

Didn’t you get the chain email?

73 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:49:49pm

re: #64 dragonfire1981

Something just occurred to me:

I bet if Cain gets elected some on the right will refer to him as “the REAL first black President”

I thought that was Bill Clinton.

74 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:50:23pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

My first memory of politics was when my 7th grade English teacher had us watch Nixon resign live on TV in class.

My favorite memory about that is from a few years later when I was in 7th grade civics class. The teacher was telling us how as Nixon was walking out to the helecopter that last time he farted and said “pardon me” and Jerry Ford said “Ok.”

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:50:28pm

re: #40 jaunte

Huckabee seems to think it’s based on Popeye’s spicy fried chicken.

The nuance he managed to pack into that was a work of art.

76 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:50:32pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve been meaning to write a rap piece about Michelle Obama’s clothes, and the attacks on them. And call it ‘Republican Cloth Coat’.

Unfortunately, I can’t rap.

So a nice sonnet, then?

77 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:50:46pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, having spoken with several of his supporters, I’m willing to believe that they think he can win the presidency. While some in the base are simply supporting him as the “not-Romney,” many honestly believe that he’s got what it takes to kick Obama to the curb and bring America back to its glory days. How? They’re not sure, but they know that it’s simply got to be better than what we’ve got now. After all, cutting taxes worked for Reagan…right?

78 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:51:32pm

re: #70 Obdicut

That’s too far. I, for one, don’t (didn’t) know he is ethnically Jewish, so if I called him a pig that would be just that.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:51:40pm

re: #55 dragonfire1981

The right seems to want all black people (except Herman Cain) to be hip hop gangstas. Its like they expect Obama to rap the State of the Union address or something.

I swear one of the scariest things to them is an intelligent articulate black person.

Of course, if Obama did rap the State of the Union, that would be kind of cool.

Better than the idea I had a few years ago about doing it as an interpretive dance.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:52:16pm

re: #77 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, having spoken with several of his supporters, I’m willing to believe that they think he can win the presidency. While some in the base are simply supporting him as the “not-Romney,” many honestly believe that he’s got what it takes to kick Obama to the curb and bring America back to its glory days. How? They’re not sure, but they know that it’s simply got to be better than what we’ve got now. After all, cutting taxes worked for Reagan…right?

I looked over at Red State, and, from what I can tell, the knives are out between the practical voters (though some of those are under the impression Newt is a ‘moderate’) and the “When we run Conservatives, we win!” delusionaries.

81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:52:29pm

re: #63 Sergey Romanov

Yesterday Buck tried to pull that on me. No longer a liberal-charitable-to-Buck here.

There’s no reason to be.

82 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:53:19pm

I guess my first memory is Gulf War I or the Yugoslavian Civil War. I have no memories of Reagan and scant of Bush I. Clinton’s the one I grew up with and my Dad took me to both inaugurals the first one in large part because he enjoyed the music.

83 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:53:23pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Ike routinely got +/- 50% of the black vote.

That was before the Dixiecrats were excised from the Democratic Party and joined the GOP en masse…

84 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:54:13pm

re: #80 Obdicut

I looked over at Red State, and, from what I can tell, the knives are out between the practical voters (though some of those are under the impression Newt is a ‘moderate’) and the “When we run Conservatives, we win!” delusionaries.

It’s going to get ugly between now and the convention. The rise of the Tea Party has put the base at odds with the establishment, a situation that is going to lead to a lot of hurtful words and a lot of defections before it’s all over.

85 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:54:28pm

re: #78 Sergey Romanov

That’s too far. I, for one, don’t (didn’t) know he is ethnically Jewish, so if I called him a pig that would be just that.

It may not be an intentional level of insult, certainly. You’re right that it doesn’t add a large layer, I was wrong to say that. It adds a small cherry on the already huge sundae of stupid insult that calling someone else an animal already is.

You’re also not a news agency that is supposed to know things.

86 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:54:45pm

re: #63 Sergey Romanov

Yesterday Buck tried to pull that on me. No longer a liberal-charitable-to-Buck here.

He called me a racist too when I criticized Cain’s lack of government experience and called him a guy who ran a pizza joint. Maybe I was unfair but he totally ignored my broad point which is that Cain shows often that he doesn’t understand how government works.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:56:34pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve been meaning to write a rap piece about Michelle Obama’s clothes, and the attacks on them. And call it ‘Republican Cloth Coat’.

Unfortunately, I can’t rap.

It would include voice clips of Nixon, of course.

88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:57:15pm

re: #81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There’s no reason to be.

Well, there’s an “underdog” thing. No longer, tho.

89 Firstinla  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:57:34pm

re: #84 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s going to get ugly between now and the convention. The rise of the Tea Party has put the base at odds with the establishment, a situation that is going to lead to a lot of hurtful words and a lot of defections before it’s all over.

The convention itself is going to be a sideshow. There is no way the tea partiers are going to let the establishment GOP define the platform and they are going to battle the establishment about the nominee.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:58:08pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Obama for banned sport fishing?

Back in March. There was quite a bit of back-and-forth about it…

91 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:58:26pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

It would include voice clips of Nixon, of course.

92 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:59:05pm

re: #88 Sergey Romanov

Well, there’s an “underdog” thing. No longer, tho.

I find it sort of amusing that a non American is so synchopanic to one of our parties. I don’t begrudge his right as a Canadian to comment on American politics. Our affairs I say without sounding egotistical have large ramifications globally but it amazes me to see him so defensive of the Republican Party.

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:59:14pm

Just in case they try to hide it:

Fox News calls Bill Maher a pig.

94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:01:09pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

He called me a racist too when I criticized Cain’s lack of government experience and called him a guy who ran a pizza joint. Maybe I was unfair but he totally ignored my broad point which is that Cain shows often that he doesn’t understand how government works.

It wasn’t unfair. Some of these derps only pretend to like him for the moment, because he lets himself be a stick to beat other Black people, and also an emotional cipher for their own anti-Black race-anxieties.

HC is working a game on them. It’s not what I would do, but they deserve to be put in the position of defending someone they know isn’t fit for high office in 2012. They see ALL of us as “unqualified minorities”, regardless of our accomplishments or credentials.

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:02:35pm

re: #94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And when he inevitably loses…

96 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:03:24pm

re: #94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It wasn’t unfair. Some of these derps only pretend to like him for the moment, because he lets himslef be a stick to beat other Black people, and also an emotional cipher for their own anti-Black race-anxieties.

HC is working a game on them. It’s not what I would do, but they deserve to be put in the position of defending someone they know isn’t fit for high office in 2012. They see ALL of us as “unqualified minorities”, regardless of our accomplishments or credentials.

Well I thought I may have been unfair because I said he merely ran a pizza joint. Godfather’s is a multimillion dollar corporation but as I said a few weeks ago, I’d direct the same criticism if the Papa Johns guy sought office.

97 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:03:30pm

re: #89 Firstinla

The convention itself is going to be a sideshow. There is no way the tea partiers are going to let the establishment GOP define the platform and they are going to battle the establishment about the nominee.

Very true. The base is going to make a long list of demands of the establishment in order for them to support a Romney ticket, from who he picks as VP to who he considers for his cabinet. And refusal to consider even a 1/4 of those demands will be enough to convince the base to either sit out or vote third party.

98 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:04:06pm

Evening all!

How is it going?

99 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:04:19pm

re: #95 Sergey Romanov

And when he inevitably loses…

Well we TRIED to get a minority, once!

But it just didn’t work out!

Stop looking at me like that!!!

100 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:04:41pm
101 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:05:41pm

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

102 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:06:05pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

DRINK!

//

103 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:06:15pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

Whoohoooo!

Congrats — and all.

104 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:06:28pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

Great news.

105 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:06:32pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

You bore up really well. Welcome back to the land of the powered.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:06:38pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

Yay!

And now you can enjoy the simplest things.

107 Firstinla  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:06:56pm

re: #97 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Very true. The base is going to make a long list of demands of the establishment in order for them to support a Romney ticket, from who he picks as VP to who he considers for his cabinet. And refusal to consider even a 1/4 of those demands will be enough to convince the base to either sit out or vote third party.

I’d be afraid that the planks of their foreign policy platform would make the neo-cons look almost liberal.

108 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:07:01pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Yay!

And now you can enjoy the simplest things.

like warm toes …

109 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:07:43pm

re: #15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That’s because the only people who buy into this crap are dumb confederates.

Thing is, sex scandal or no sex scandal, the GOP isn’t going to make Bubba McWhitesheet choose between Cain and Obama. Cain has a temporary advantage over them on this.

Good thing I wasn’t drinking something when I read that. Funny stuff!

110 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:08:07pm

You guys are the best … THANKS for your good wishes and encouragement! You really did help me through this

111 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:08:23pm

re: #107 Firstinla

I’d be afraid that the planks of their foreign policy platform would make the neo-cons look almost liberal.

A lot of the neocons were liberal, after a fashion. A lot of them sincerely believed in spreading democracy abroad. I stridently disagree with how they went about it, but a lot of neocons really were hawkish ‘liberals’.

112 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:09:19pm

If we somehow get past racism, and we get past sexism, and we get past bigotry against gay people, we’re still going to have classism. And Republicans will still be able to use that, because they can convince people that upward mobility means they should identify with upper classes, whereas one’s gender and race are less mutable (assuming gay people will eventually be accepted as “born that way”).

I don’t believe in class warfare, but I believe in class struggle (not necessarily in the Marxist sense). As always, education is the key. Which is why Republicans are opposed to it.

113 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:09:27pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

Outstanding! Beware your refrigerator…

114 Firstinla  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:09:44pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

That’s great news. I’d turn on all the lights, open up the curtains and dance naked in the living room. Well…maybe not naked.

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:09:46pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Well I thought I may have been unfair because I said he merely ran a pizza joint. Godfather’s is a multimillion dollar corporation but as I said a few weeks ago, I’d direct the same criticism if the Papa Johns guy sought office.

If it’s the conversation I saw, Buck is just repeating what’s on the HC wikipedia page, and going off of what Fox tells him are his credentials.

HC is an accomplished man and an interesting individual, just not as president in 2012. The entire white right knows this; everybody knows this. The fake “support” he’s inducing tells us everything we need to know about their shallow view of every individual not exactly like themselves.

116 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:10:16pm

re: #111 Obdicut

A lot of the neocons were liberal, after a fashion. A lot of them sincerely believed in spreading democracy abroad. I stridently disagree with how they went about it, but a lot of neocons really were hawkish ‘liberals’.

The neo-conservatives are an interesting bunch. I always got a little upset at my Dad when he would use neo-con to describe everyone right of center. I forgive him since he’s not a policy buff like I am but it was a term misunderstood by many.

117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:10:25pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

Yay!!!

I bet you’re sitting on the heater. I would be.

118 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:10:34pm

re: #109 Gus 802

Good thing I wasn’t drinking something when I read that. Funny stuff!

Don’t forget his brother Orv and Sissy.

119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:11:30pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

The neo-conservatives are an interesting bunch. I always got a little upset at my Dad when he would use neo-con to describe everyone right of center. I forgive him since he’s not a policy buff like I am but it was a term misunderstood by many.

I understand that, totally. It’s fallen out of disuse on the left with the end of the Bush admin, but I used to get on people for this a lot.

It became a two-minutes-hate term.

120 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:11:38pm

re: #117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yay!!!

I bet you’re sitting on the heater. I would be.

nuthi’ like warm buns?

121 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:11:43pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Paged it.

Will Fox News Apologize For Calling Maher A Pig?

Why should they? After saying people should put drugs in Halloween candy I believe he is a pig.

122 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:12:34pm

re: #119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I understand that, totally. It’s fallen out of disuse on the left with the end of the Bush admin, but I used to get on people for this a lot.

It became a two-minutes-hate term.

It was used wrongly is all. Same way you see socialist now.

123 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:14:41pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

We finally got our power back … The nightmare that lasted 8 days and one hour is OVER

Time to hang up the christmas lights?

124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:15:06pm

re: #111 Obdicut

A lot of the neocons were liberal, after a fashion. A lot of them sincerely believed in spreading democracy abroad. I stridently disagree with how they went about it, but a lot of neocons really were hawkish ‘liberals’.

antiwar.com would commie-bait them as “permanent revolution” ex-Trotskists. (I know your analysis is way different.) Theirs, of course, was also a gateway to antisemitism and Jew-counting.

Well, everything is a gateway to that with them.

125 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:15:07pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Holy crap.

This isn’t a new thing:

[Link: nation.foxnews.com…]

They’ve been calling him ‘Pig Maher’ for awhile.

EDIT: Can you explain why it’s okay for a supposed news organization to call him a pig?

126 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:15:11pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Why should they? After saying people should put drugs in Halloween candy I believe he is a pig.

Headlines aren’t supposed to be biased even if the headline subject is a jerk.

127 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:16:34pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC
My father went through 5 days without power. Now he is thinking about a backup generator.

128 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:16:53pm

re: #119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I understand that, totally. It’s fallen out of disuse on the left with the end of the Bush admin, but I used to get on people for this a lot.

It became a two-minutes-hate term.

Funny is that many people on the anti-imperialist “Left” despise neo-cons but apparently love paleo-cons like Ron Paul. Foreign policy is an interesting single-issue wedge.

129 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:17:09pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Headlines aren’t supposed to be biased even if the headline person is a jerk.

It’d be one thing if the story directly related to some ‘piggish’ habit. If someone eats 9 out of 10 slices of a pizza, calling them a ‘pig’, while still dumb, is within the bounds.

But this is just out of fucking nowhere. What is piggish about Maher?

130 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:17:35pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

My father went through 5 days without power. Now he is thinking about a backup generator.

A great idea for a Chanukah or Christmas gift!

131 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:18:16pm

re: #130 _RememberTonyC
I agree. But that is a bit out of my price range. :(

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:18:27pm

re: #129 Obdicut

It’d be one thing if the story directly related to some ‘piggish’ habit. If someone eats 9 out of 10 slices of a pizza, calling them a ‘pig’, while still dumb, is within the bounds.

But this is just out of fucking nowhere. What is piggish about Maher?

Because he wants that 10th slice after the corporations ate the other nine.

133 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:18:27pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Why should they? After saying people should put drugs in Halloween candy I believe he is a pig.

Almost as bad as that Jonathan Swift fellow suggesting we feed poor children to the upper classes!

134 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:04pm

re: #130 _RememberTonyC

A friend of a friend of mine bought an old military installation that has a working flywheel energy storage thingy in it, up in Maine. When it looks like he might lose power, he spins it up. It stores a huge amount of energy. Pretty cool.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:09pm

re: #133 Atlas Fails

Almost as bad as that Jonathan Swift fellow suggesting we feed poor children to the upper classes!

I believe the modern adaptation is selling them all for medical experiments.

136 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:18pm

re: #129 Obdicut

It’d be one thing if the story directly related to some ‘piggish’ habit. If someone eats 9 out of 10 slices of a pizza, calling them a ‘pig’, while still dumb, is within the bounds.

But this is just out of fucking nowhere. What is piggish about Maher?

My guess: he was mean to Sarah Palin.

137 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:34pm

re: #129 Obdicut

It’d be one thing if the story directly related to some ‘piggish’ habit. If someone eats 9 out of 10 slices of a pizza, calling them a ‘pig’, while still dumb, is within the bounds.

But this is just out of fucking nowhere. What is piggish about Maher?

Yeah it shows an obvious bias. It’s unprofessional as hell but I expect that from Fox.

138 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:43pm

re: #129 Obdicut

Apparently this is a theme lately:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com…]

139 Interesting Times  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:56pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

My father went through 5 days without power. Now he is thinking about a backup generator.

re: #130 _RememberTonyC

A great idea for a Chanukah or Christmas gift!

Maybe you should get yourselves one of these? ;)

140 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:19:59pm

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

I agree. But that is a bit out of my price range. :(

I hear ya …

141 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:20:09pm

re: #97 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Very true. The base is going to make a long list of demands of the establishment in order for them to support a Romney ticket, from who he picks as VP to who he considers for his cabinet.

The parading around of the Tea Party favorites is basically just that: Demonstrating to Romney what they want from him and what he needs to learn to cater to better.

142 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:21:35pm

re: #125 Obdicut

Holy crap.

This isn’t a new thing:

[Link: nation.foxnews.com…]

They’ve been calling him ‘Pig Maher’ for awhile.

Indeed.

143 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:22:28pm

Giants vs Patriots going down to the wire

144 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:22:30pm

Sheesh what a bunch of unprofessional losers.

145 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:23:04pm

This cartoon seems to best characterize the GOP.

Used that for this page from August of last year:

It’s a Great Time to Be Racist
Let’s face it: There’s only one explanation for some of the attacks on President Obama

The racial climate is suffocating and getting worse. Every other week, another politician or pundit is apologizing for making what he or she keeps calling inappropriate comments about President Obama. But what these people call inappropriate, insulting or partisan, I call racist — a term that describes abusive or aggressive behavior toward a member of another race based on the belief that some races have an intrinsic superiority over others. If this is not what we’re witnessing, then I don’t know what it is. — Nsenga Burton

146 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:23:16pm

re: #142 000G

Indeed.

Holy crap. It’s so bizarre this is the first I’m hearing of it.

I remember when my conservative friends would attempt to defend Fox News as just another media outlet, not that bad, really, not that biased, and if they were, it was just in reaction to left-wing bias.

None of them really do that anymore. Juvenile shit like this has turned them off even more than the blatantly biased reporting.

147 Interesting Times  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:23:35pm

re: #129 Obdicut

But this is just out of fucking nowhere. What is piggish about Maher?

I mean really now - can’t they at least use modern, hip insults like “douche?”
///

imagine that as a hack - breaking into a news (or Fox) site and inserting the word “douche” into random headlines all over the place

148 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:23:48pm

re: #141 000G

The parading around of the Tea Party favorites is basically just that: Demonstrating to Romney what they want from him and what he needs to learn to cater to better.

If anything, it’s more like trying to box him in, such that he’s got no choice but to adapt his campaign or have it snuffed out. He’s tacking this way and that, trying to remain “reasonable” while at the same time pleasing an unpleasable base.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:23:51pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Why should they? After saying people should put drugs in Halloween candy I believe he is a pig.

LOL.

*facepalm*

150 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:24:50pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Sheesh what a bunch of unprofessional losers.

Reminds me of “Tiller the baby killer.” I guess they got the result they wanted with that one, so they’re trying it with other figures who get right wing panties in a wad.

151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:25:07pm

re: #128 000G

Funny is that many people on the anti-imperialist “Left” despise neo-cons but apparently love paleo-cons like Ron Paul. Foreign policy is an interesting single-issue wedge.

Yeah, paleocons like Ron Paul, dictators like Khadaffi, and homophobic antisemites like Hamas/Hezbollah. They’re also very quick to race-bait Obama, too.

I have zero patience with them.

152 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:25:23pm

re: #125 Obdicut

Holy crap.

This isn’t a new thing:

[Link: nation.foxnews.com…]

They’ve been calling him ‘Pig Maher’ for awhile.

EDIT: Can you explain why it’s okay for a supposed news organization to call him a pig?

re: #149 Sergey Romanov

LOL.

*facepalm*

153 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:25:45pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Heh. Apropos:
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

This is a moment of cognitive dissonance for Tea Party voters. Assume the mindset of a Rush Limbaugh listener. You like Herman Cain. For weeks, you’ve heard on the radio about how he’s a successful businessman, how unlike liberals he hates it when people play the race card. Last you heard the show, Rush was explaining how the liberal media is targeting him because he’s black. Another hi-tech lynching, just like Clarence Thomas, is the explanation you got.

The next day you’re on the web. Cain himself says that although he can’t prove it, racism probably played a role in whoever spread these stories about him. Damn those dirty liberals, you think.

Of course, you might not vote for Cain. You’re undecided. You like that Rick Perry too. Like that he is the governor of Texas, that he has experience creating jobs. You couldn’t believe it when the liberal media accused him of being racist just for hunting near a rock with a racial epithet on it. Just as long as Mitt Romney doesn’t win the nomination, you think, or that RINO Jon Huntsman.

But what’s this? Herman Cain says Rick Perry is behind the sexual harassment story? Wait a second. So Cain thinks the story was motivated by racism, and that Perry is the one who leaked it? Is Cain calling Perry a racist? That’s something a liberal would do. Or did Perry leak the story? That’s something you’d expect from a no good liberal too. Who is to be believed anymore?

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:26:29pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

re: #149 Sergey Romanov

[Video]

Yes, I’ve watched it. And after I watched I wrote that comment to you.

155 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:26:58pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

I asked if you could explain. I understand that Maher wrote a piece that you find offensive. His shit on vaccination is irresponsible and dangerous, too.

Explain how that means calling him “Pig Maher” is okay.

Can you?

156 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:27:53pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

re: #149 Sergey Romanov

[Video]

You do know that Stephen Colbert isn’t actually a conservative, right?

157 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:27:59pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Heh. Apropos:
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

The GOP has blowing their dog whistle for so long ever since Obama started running in 2008 that I have tinnitus. It was non-stop and it continues. They are truly a pathetic lot.

158 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:28:06pm

re: #148 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If anything, it’s more like trying to box him in, such that he’s got no choice but to adapt his campaign or have it snuffed out. He’s tacking this way and that, trying to remain “reasonable” while at the same time pleasing an unpleasable base.

I don’t think we disagree.

159 Interesting Times  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:28:56pm

re: #63 Sergey Romanov

Yesterday Buck tried to pull that on me. No longer a liberal-charitable-to-Buck here.

Speaking of which, there he goes again, this time to CuriousLurker.

160 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:30:31pm

Maher’s probably a jerk. I stlll don’t see how that makes it a right for a news organization to call him a Pig.

161 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:31:15pm

That’s right Fox News readers. Bill Maher is the president and he has ordered all American citizens to put drugs in their Halloween candy or face imprisonment at a FEMA camp.

//

162 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:31:36pm

re: #155 Obdicut

I asked if you could explain. I understand that Maher wrote a piece that you find offensive. His shit on vaccination is irresponsible and dangerous, too.

Explain how that means calling him “Pig Maher” is okay.

Can you?

He’s made many comments that can be called irresponsible and dangerous besides the ones vaccination and giving children drugs for Halloween. I don’t see a problem with calling him a pig. This is nontroversy if you ask me.

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:32:31pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

He’s made many comments that can be called irresponsible and dangerous besides the ones vaccination and giving children drugs for Halloween. I don’t see a problem with calling him a pig. This is nontroversy if you ask me.

It’s not a problem for an individual. I would call him a pig any second if I thought he deserved it. However Fox Nation is supposed to be a serious site.

164 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:32:50pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Maher’s probably a jerk. I stlll don’t see how that makes it a right for a news organization to call him a Pig.

it’s the sort of world we live in…pigs, cockroaches, Nazis…goes on endlessly

165 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:33:02pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Heh. Apropos:
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

The more this campaign season progresses, the more I enjoy watchin HC induce this level of cognitive dissonance in the average base GOP white bigot voter. He’s been doing it from the outset.

I just hope it doesn’t end badly for him. Then he can just go off and be Mr. First Black History-Maker just like all of us good Civil Rights Babies were trained to do, then secure his HarperCollins/NewsCorp book deal.

Hey, somebody has to…

166 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:33:04pm

re: #155 Obdicut

I asked if you could explain. I understand that Maher wrote a piece that you find offensive. His shit on vaccination is irresponsible and dangerous, too.

Explain how that means calling him “Pig Maher” is okay.

Can you?

Totally agree. I’ve never been able to sit through an entire episode of Maher’s show, as he comes off as an insufferably arrogant jackass who’s not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. But for God’s sake, “Pig Maher?” What’s next, “Assface Stewart?”

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:33:18pm

re: #143 _RememberTonyC

Giants vs Patriots going down to the wire

Didn’t expect that.

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:34:42pm

re: #166 Atlas Fails

Damn. You’re giving’em idears.

169 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:34:48pm

re: #166 Atlas Fails

Totally agree. I’ve never been able to sit through an entire episode of Maher’s show, as he comes off as an insufferably arrogant jackass who’s not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. But for God’s sake, “Pig Maher?” What’s next, “Assface Stewart?”

He thinks he is the newest Buckley iteration and thus can act that way.

170 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:35:05pm

re: #166 Atlas Fails

Totally agree. I’ve never been able to sit through an entire episode of Maher’s show, as he comes off as an insufferably arrogant jackass who’s not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. But for God’s sake, “Pig Maher?” What’s next, “Assface Stewart?”


soon come…what’s with all the indignation? it’s just the MSM

171 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:36:45pm

re: #159 publicityStunted

Speaking of which, there he goes again, this time to CuriousLurker.

Oh cripes, that stupid conversation again.

Buck knows about Christian Zionism about as much as I know about the Calabi–Yau manifold. He only engages people on these topics — Black conservatives, Christian Zionism, etc — with people he probably thinks knows less than he does.

Typical.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:37:06pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Maher’s probably a jerk. I stlll don’t see how that makes it a right for a news organization to call him a Pig.

Is it the organization or the “Regular Potatoes”? And which ones? It’ll keep me from watching them (Idon’twatchthemanyway)

173 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:37:45pm

re: #170 albusteve

soon come…what’s with all the indignation? it’s just the MSM

Fox is NOT part of the liberal lame-stream media!!!1!11one

174 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:37:47pm

Yeah. I tell you what man. Why the other day I was watching the Flintstones and I couldn’t believe what I heard Fred Flintstone say. I am outraged!

//

175 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:38:50pm

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it the organization or the “Regular Potatoes”? And which ones? It’ll keep me from watching them (Idon’twatchthemanyway)

Foxnation.

176 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:39:09pm

OT but crazy game and ending in NE today.

177 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:39:21pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

He’s made many comments that can be called irresponsible and dangerous besides the ones vaccination and giving children drugs for Halloween. I don’t see a problem with calling him a pig. This is nontroversy if you ask me.

Dude. I understand you don’t see there being a problem. I’m asking you why. Do you think it’s okay to call anyone who you think has said irresponsible and dangerous things childish and insulting names?

178 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:40:07pm

And of course we’re talking about relatively the same bunch of people that took Tinky Winky, and Bert and Ernie’s possible “marriage” seriously. Lame.

179 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:40:34pm

It’s only 4:38 and it is already dark outside… sigh. But at least the air is cleaner from all the rain. Good walking weather (if you don’t have to carry an umbrella.)

Dark too is American politics, especially in the GOP camp. Like a deeply recessed closet, that party is discovering its monsters lurking beyond the the faint light cast by the few, now flickering, candles left in the room.

180 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:40:59pm

re: #178 Gus 802

All three of them are getting married?!

181 Flavia  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:41:32pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

My first memory of politics was when my 7th grade English teacher had us watch Nixon resign live on TV in class.

I was young enough at the time to think that he had to have been guilty, because why else would he need a lawyer? (You can stop laughing now - or start)

But my introduction to politics was at around 5, & the murder of Dr. King.

182 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:41:34pm

Comedian says something goofy. Right wing takes it seriously. Notorious skinny blonde haired right wing commentator say something serious and the right wing says she’s just being a comedian.

Reverse osmosis at work once again.

183 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:41:45pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Dude. I understand you don’t see there being a problem. I’m asking you why. Do you think it’s okay to call anyone who you think has said irresponsible and dangerous things childish and insulting names?

Using NJD’s logic, I will now refer to Rush exclusively as Penis-breath Limbaugh.

184 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:41:59pm

re: #179 freetoken

It’s only 4:38 and it is already dark outside… sigh. But at least the air is cleaner from all the rain. Good walking weather (if you don’t have to carry an umbrella.)

Dark too is American politics, especially in the GOP camp. Like a deeply recessed closet, that party is discovering its monsters lurking beyond the the faint light cast by the few, now flickering, candles left in the room.

Sounds like you hate the time change thing too.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:42:55pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Dude. I understand you don’t see there being a problem. I’m asking you why. Do you think it’s okay to call anyone who you think has said irresponsible and dangerous things childish and insulting names?

I’ve seen worse. I recall MSNBC calling GWB a murderer and a facist a few times and the left didn’t complain at all. Now a screwball makes dangerous comments and all of a sudden calling him a pig is wrong. I don’t get it.

186 Interesting Times  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:02pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Dude. I understand you don’t see there being a problem. I’m asking you why. Do you think it’s okay to call anyone who you think has said irresponsible and dangerous things childish and insulting names?

And as you/others mentioned before, context matters as well. It’s one thing for such language to appear in random Internet comments, quite another for it to appear in the headline of an article on something billing itself as a news site.

187 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:25pm

Then you have Rush Limbaugh. The famous right wing comedian. Yep.

Uh huh.

188 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:36pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Comedian says something goofy. Right wing takes it seriously. Notorious skinny blonde haired right wing commentator say something serious and the right wings say she’s just being a comedian.

Reverse osmosis at work once again.

pigs, all of them…
“have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt”

189 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:36pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Comedian says something goofy. Right wing takes it seriously. Notorious skinny blonde haired right wing commentator say something serious and the right wing says she’s just being a comedian.

Reverse osmosis at work once again.

Yeah I don’t get it. Ann can go on Fox and say much more vile shit than Maher does and get treated like a legitimate pundit. It’s stupid. I don’t dispute Maher’s a jerk but it’s bad journalism.

190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:36pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Comedian says something goofy. Right wing takes it seriously. Notorious skinny blonde haired right wing commentator say something serious and the right wings say she’s just being a comedian.

Reverse osmosis at work once again.

Same rightwing butthrts call you a racist if you refuse to vote for their one handpicked favorite black.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:43:39pm

re: #163 Sergey Romanov

It’s not a problem for an individual. I would call him a pig any second if I thought he deserved it. However Fox Nation is supposed to be a serious site.

This. I don’t like a lot of people, but having them referred to on news sites by derogatory little titles seems improper.

192 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:44:02pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

Sounds like you hate the time change thing too.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:44:14pm

re: #183 Atlas Fails

Using NJD’s logic, I will now refer to Rush exclusively as Penis-breath Limbaugh.

I don’t give a shit. I never listen to him.

194 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:44:16pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

San Diego county is towards the eastern edge of the Pacific time zone. I just wish we had a way of coming to terms with a more rational system of setting clocks. I’d be all for just using Zulu time, but 95% of the population would just be more confused than they already are.

195 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:44:33pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

He’s made many comments that can be called irresponsible and dangerous besides the ones vaccination and giving children drugs for Halloween. I don’t see a problem with calling him a pig. This is nontroversy if you ask me.

It’s unprofessional, sensationalism. It’s understandable, but not up to the journalistic standards FOX proposes it has.

196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:44:58pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

I recall MSNBC calling GWB a murderer and a facist a few times

Uh-huh. The entirety of “MSNBC” called GWB a murderer and a fascist.

And this took place, when?

197 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:45:07pm

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t give a shit. I never listen to him.

*Sigh* Are you intentionally missing the point?

198 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:45:31pm

re: #182 Gus 802

I think Maher’s point was stupid and he made it in an unfunny way. But nobody could possibly read that story and think he was really saying to give kids LSD. It’s just not possible. He’s clearly pointing out that we already give kids shitloads of psychoactive drugs.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:45:57pm

The entirety of FoxNation is calling Maher pig?

Anybody got a link?

200 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:46:41pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve seen worse. I recall MSNBC calling GWB a murderer and a facist a few times and the left didn’t complain at all. Now a screwball makes dangerous comments and all of a sudden calling him a pig is wrong. I don’t get it.

How long are you going to keep dodging the question?

Can you explain why calling Bill Maher a pig is okay for Fox News to do? Do you think it’s okay to call anyone who you view as having said irresponsible or dangerous things a pig, or other barnyard animals of your choice?

201 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:47:05pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The entirety of FoxNation is calling Maher pig?

Anybody got a link?

[Link: nation.foxnews.com…]
I got no problem with criticizing Maher but headlines aren’t supposed to be editorial.

202 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:47:37pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve seen worse. I recall MSNBC calling GWB a murderer and a facist a few times and the left didn’t complain at all. Now a screwball makes dangerous comments and all of a sudden calling him a pig is wrong. I don’t get it.

It’s a sign of the depths of murk Journalism has sunk.

What we think of Journalism is really Sensationalism. —Whatever will sell.

203 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:47:38pm

re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Uh-huh. The entirety of “MSNBC” called GWB a murderer and a fascist.

And this took place, when?

Flashback: MSNBC Hosts Called Bush a Murderous Fascist, Never Faced Suspensions

204 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:47:48pm

re: #194 freetoken

San Diego county is towards the eastern edge of the Pacific time zone. I just wish we had a way of coming to terms with a more rational system of setting clocks. I’d be all for just using Zulu time, but 95% of the population would just be more confused than they already are.

I like to tease the Arizonans who say they don’t change their time. I say, “Sure you do. Half the year you’re on California time and half the year you’re on New Mexico time.” They get confused when they leave their state.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:47:56pm

re: #198 Obdicut

The best line I’ve ever heard from Maher?

Talking about somebody’s drug addiction…

“He’s been in and out of Betty Ford more times than… Gerald Ford.”

Funny as hell.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:14pm

re: #171 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh cripes, that stupid conversation again.

Buck knows about Christian Zionism about as much as I know about the Calabi–Yau manifold. He only engages people on these topics — Black conservatives, Christian Zionism, etc — with people he probably thinks knows less than he does.

Typical.

No, my impression of Buck is that he will storm any castle he sees with the same handful of talking points. He doesn’t even notice when he’s fighting out of his weight class.

He certainly has a point when he says that not all members of evangelical Christian sects have this sort of extremist agenda. I think I said the same thing myself early on that thread. Unfortunately, he’s also trying to convince folks over there that Pat Robertson likes Jews, so this may take a while.

207 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:14pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The entirety of FoxNation is calling Maher pig?

Anybody got a link?

[Link: www.google.com…]

208 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:24pm

re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Uh-huh. The entirety of “MSNBC” called GWB a murderer and a fascist.

And this took place, when?

Entirety of course is a misleading point. A news organization is responsible in total for all of the material it puts out. If something goes wrong, it needs to retract, correct, apologize, etc. Saying “that’s just an intern” won’t help.

Of course, the whole fake “opinion versus news” dichotomy helped a certain news channel eschew a lot of editorial responsibility.

209 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:24pm

re: #198 Obdicut

But nobody could possibly read that story and think he was really saying to give kids LSD. It’s just not possible.

LOL. You overestimate certain people’s intelligence and reading comprehension abilities.

210 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:40pm

I recall Olbermann making the Bush is a fascist/murderer remark a couple of times. Don’t recall it ever being a headline, or common practice among the majority of news-based talking heads at MSNBC.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:55pm

re: #198 Obdicut

I think Maher’s point was stupid and he made it in an unfunny way. But nobody could possibly read that story and think he was really saying to give kids LSD. It’s just not possible. He’s clearly pointing out that we already give kids shitloads of psychoactive drugs.

Oh, it’s possible. There are some really stupid people out here who believe everything they see on TV.

212 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:48:55pm

re: #186 publicityStunted

And as you/others mentioned before, context matters as well. It’s one thing for such language to appear in random Internet comments, quite another for it to appear in the headline of an article on something billing itself as a news site.

I myself don’t even like it in casual language. I really don’t, I have a strong aversion to animal comparisons used as a negative. There’s a few exceptions, words that have changed their meaning— like weasel and jackass— but there’s nothing about saying things that are ‘irresponsible’ that fits with ‘pig’. It’s just an insult. It’s not even a meaningful one. “Pig” means that someone is gross in appetite. Nothing Maher said fits that at all.

213 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:49:00pm

re: #202 ggt
Lots of newspapers believe in “if it bleeds it leads”

214 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:49:23pm

re: #210 kirkspencer

He was certainly taken to task here, though.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:49:56pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The entirety of FoxNation is calling Maher pig?

Anybody got a link?

Every single employee. Rupert Murdock gave to orders.

//

216 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:50:04pm

re: #212 Obdicut

I myself don’t even like it in casual language. I really don’t, I have a strong aversion to animal comparisons used as a negative. There’s a few exceptions, words that have changed their meaning— like weasel and jackass— but there’s nothing about saying things that are ‘irresponsible’ that fits with ‘pig’. It’s just an insult. It’s not even a meaningful one. “Pig” means that someone is gross in appetite. Nothing Maher said fits that at all.

I is a great insult to the animal.

seriously.

217 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:50:08pm

re: #198 Obdicut

I think Maher’s point was stupid and he made it in an unfunny way. But nobody could possibly read that story and think he was really saying to give kids LSD. It’s just not possible. He’s clearly pointing out that we already give kids shitloads of psychoactive drugs.

Interesting. Funny thing is that a lot of conservatives would agree with that. I agree with it as well. We give kids far too many drugs as a form of behavioral “management.”

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:50:26pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

re: #207 Atlas Fails

Thank you.

219 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:50:28pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, it’s possible. There are some really stupid people out here who believe everything they see on TV.

Well wouldn’t you say that says more about them than it does Bill? Listen the guy’s a pompous jackass I think most here agree with you on that. But this would be like the London or Dublin Times putting up a headline:
PIG SWIFT SUGGESTS POOR EAT CHILDREN

220 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:50:38pm

re: #200 Obdicut

How long are you going to keep dodging the question?

Can you explain why calling Bill Maher a pig is okay for Fox News to do? Do you think it’s okay to call anyone who you view as having said irresponsible or dangerous things a pig, or other barnyard animals of your choice?

I already told you I have no problem with it. I think they were being nice. He is a pig.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:01pm

re: #213 PhillyPretzel

Lots of newspapers believe in “if it bleeds it leads”

Basically? Because if it smells, it sells.

222 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:02pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn’t expect that.

Give the giants credit … They took it!

223 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:14pm

re: #217 Gus 802

Interesting. Funny thing is that a lot of conservatives would agree with that. I agree with it as well. We give kids far too many drugs as a form of behavioral “management.”

I agree with that part, I don’t agree with the rest of the hyperbole.

224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:15pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The entirety of FoxNation is calling Maher pig?

Anybody got a link?

You don’t do pedantic very well.

There’s already a link to multiple crap on FN. Let’s see them from MSNBC.

225 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:35pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

Give the giants credit … They took it!

Do you think you’ll get credit on your electric bill for the 8 days with no heat?

226 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:42pm

re: #214 freetoken

He was certainly taken to task here, though.

Which I believe answers re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve seen worse. I recall MSNBC calling GWB a murderer and a facist a few times and the left didn’t complain at all. Now a screwball makes dangerous comments and all of a sudden calling him a pig is wrong. I don’t get it.

227 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:51:44pm

re: #217 Gus 802

We give kids far too many drugs as a form of behavioral “management.”

Not just “drugs” - we try to control children by giving them food, toys, etc. My takeaway from looking at the society around me is that we’re obsessed with obsessing others with things to try to coax behavior we think we want.

228 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:52:13pm

For what it’s worth, as much as I despise Coulter and Limbaugh, I wouldn’t want Msnbc or Cnn labeling them as “pig” in headline. I expect some journalistic integrity.

229 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:52:14pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

Flashback: MSNBC Hosts Called Bush a Murderous Fascist, Never Faced Suspensions

lol @ Media Research Center

Btw, that article doesn’t even provide evidence for the claim that Olbermann called Bush a fascist. They claim that the one bit they quote adressed Bush, but that is neither apparent in the video nor in the transcript.

230 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:52:20pm

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

I already told you I have no problem with it. I think they were being nice. He is a pig.

Dude. I understand you have no problem with it. I’m asking you to explain why you don’t. Are you just unable to do so?

You see, people have reasons for what they do. They can explain, using their words, why they do things. This is what I’m asking you to do.

231 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:52:29pm

John Delicath of Media Matters, on Fox Nation:

…one of the main functions of the political content at the site appears to be crafting inflammatory and widely misleading headlines for links to articles by news organizations whose content contradicts the Fox headline.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

232 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:52:29pm

re: #227 freetoken

Not just “drugs” - we try to control children by giving them food, toys, etc. My takeaway from looking at the society around me is that we’re obsessed with obsessing others with things to try to coax behavior we think we want.

I call that Co-Dependence.

Much easier to judge others than to judge oneself.

Martyr syndrome plays right into it.

But if we don’t, then we are considered SELFISH.

233 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:52:33pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

Give the giants credit … They took it!

they did…the exact opposite of the Pats/Cowboys last week…I hate the pig Gints….not as much as the pig Eagles, but close

234 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:53:29pm

re: #222 _RememberTonyC

Give the giants credit … They took it!

Eli’s always gritty against the Pats.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:53:36pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

[Link: nation.foxnews.com…]
I got no problem with criticizing Maher but headlines aren’t supposed to be editorial.

This story is from Mediate. Fox just posted it again. This is the big controversy? LOL!

236 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:53:49pm

re: #230 Obdicut

Dude. I understand you have no problem with it. I’m asking you to explain why you don’t. Are you just unable to do so?

You see, people have reasons for what they do. They can explain, using their words, why they do things. This is what I’m asking you to do.

LOL!

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:54:03pm

re: #224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Saw the Olbermann link above.

Keith hated Bush with an irrational white hot hate.

238 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:54:23pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

This story is from Mediate. Fox just posted it again. This is the big controversy? LOL!

The story isn’t the problem. It’s calling him a pig. You know this.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:54:36pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve seen worse. I recall MSNBC calling GWB a murderer and a facist a few times and the left didn’t complain at all. Now a screwball makes dangerous comments and all of a sudden calling him a pig is wrong. I don’t get it.

MSNBC had a headline referring to ‘Murderer Bush’, or ‘Fascist Bush’? When?

240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:54:51pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, it’s possible. There are some really stupid people out here who believe everything they see on TV.

Or read on the internet.

241 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:54:51pm

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The best line I’ve ever heard from Maher?

Talking about somebody’s drug addiction…

Funny as hell.

Don’t care for Maher, because I think he’s a self-important, self-righteous blowhard like Rush and Hannity, only hipsterized, but that quote is funny…

242 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:55:04pm

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw the Olbermann link above.

Keith hated Bush with an irrational white hot hate.

Olberman sucked. His phony piety pissed me off. I’ve spent many a time criticizing the hell out of him for his idiocy.

So the whole ‘double-standard’ argument NJD is using is really pissing me off.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:55:18pm

re: #233 albusteve

I’m with you on that. As much as I hate the Skins and the Eagles, don’t know why I’m so apathetic about the Giants and often root for them.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:55:19pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Well wouldn’t you say that says more about them than it does Bill? Listen the guy’s a pompous jackass I think most here agree with you on that. But this would be like the London or Dublin Times putting up a headline:
PIG SWIFT SUGGESTS POOR EAT CHILDREN

They would never do that. Everyone know Dick Cheney eats babies.

245 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:55:30pm
In his last New Rule of the evening, Bill Maher argued that Christian populism and anti-intellectualism have been steadily growing in the Republican party, and that one of the core beliefs of the religious right in America today is that “knowing things has become an affront to the all-knowing.”

Anyone following the shenanigans of the Texas State Board of Education would agree.

246 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:55:51pm

re: #232 ggt

If you allow me to play armchair anthropologist - it all seems so tribal (as in a primate troop), we try to make friends to enhance our status in the group. This includes parents wanting their children to appear superior to others’. We’re all just jockeying for position in our group.

247 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:56:04pm

Oops…disregard this post.

248 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:56:14pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Just in case they try to hide it:

Fox News calls Bill Maher a pig.

they’ve been doing that for a while

249 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:56:15pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

This story is from Mediate. Fox just posted it again. This is the big controversy? LOL!

From Atlas Fails: [Link: www.google.com…]
Dude the issue is the headline calling him a pig. It’s sloppy journalism. The guy’s a jerk but you’re not supposed to be editorial in headlines and Fox likes to pride themselves on being a respectable news outlet. If it had said Bill Maher like the original headline you link to does, this wouldn’t be a big deal to me.

250 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:56:46pm

re: #246 freetoken

If you allow me to play armchair anthropologist - it all seems so tribal (as in a primate troop), we try to make friends to enhance our status in the group. This includes parents wanting their children to appear superior to others’. We’re all just jockeying for position in our group.

I don’t know freetoken. I think we’d get further as a tribe if we all looked to our own faults before pointing out the faults of others.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:57:09pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

This story is from Mediate. Fox just posted it again. This is the big controversy? LOL!

It’s not a controversy at all. It’s an illustration of Fox’s lack of professionalism.

252 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:57:17pm

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m with you on that. As much as I hate the Skins and the Eagles, don’t know why I’m so apathetic about the Giants and often root for them.

when you beat Dallas, I hate you…pretty simple…
maybe someone will demand I explain myself hahaha!

253 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:58:15pm

I do double shots reading these threads

254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:58:39pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

He certainly has a point when he says that not all members of evangelical Christian sects have this sort of extremist agenda. I think I said the same thing myself early on that thread. Unfortunately, he’s also trying to convince folks over there that Pat Robertson likes Jews, so this may take a while.

He and I have agreed on that point, but it’s often a straw man and defensive of a vast swath of people he doesn’t know about, Pat Robertson among them.

Thing is, as you note, he does so with canned bullshit. Then seems surprised and frustrated in the aftermath.

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:58:49pm

Let me be extreme in my example, so as not to tie this to Maher: I believe no professional news org. would call Hitler a pig in headline either. Because professional news orgs don’t do that.

256 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:12pm

re: #250 ggt

I don’t know freetoken. I think we’d get further as a tribe if we all looked to our own faults before pointing out the faults of others.

Well, yes, and if we all took our excess funds and put them into scholarships instead of buying ourselves bling, we’d all get further.

It would be nice.

257 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:16pm

re: #255 Sergey Romanov

Let me be extreme in my example, so as not to tie this to Maher: I believe no professional news org. would call Hitler a pig in headline either. Because professional news orgs don’t do that.

and that would be especially insulting to pigs.

258 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:30pm

re: #225 ggt

Do you think you’ll get credit on your electric bill for the 8 days with no heat?

Doubt it … And I’m sure the power company will ask for a rate INCREASE to pay for all the OT and damage repair.

259 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:32pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

From Atlas Fails: [Link: www.google.com…]
Dude the issue is the headline calling him a pig. It’s sloppy journalism. The guy’s a jerk but you’re not supposed to be editorial in headlines and Fox likes to pride themselves on being a respectable news outlet. If it had said Bill Maher like the original headline you link to does, this wouldn’t be a big deal to me.

From what I can see Fox didn’t editorialize a single word in the article. It was copied, pasted and linked to Mediate.

260 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:36pm

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw the Olbermann link above.

Keith MSNBC hated Bush with an irrational white hot hate.

fxd

261 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:49pm

re: #256 EmmmieG

Well, yes, and if we all took our excess funds and put them into scholarships instead of buying ourselves bling, we’d all get further.

It would be nice.

While complaining that others should do it and don’t.

262 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:00:13pm

re: #258 _RememberTonyC

Doubt it … And I’m sure the power company will ask for a rate INCREASE to pay for all the OT and damage repair.

Did any pipes freeze?

263 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:00:18pm

re: #258 _RememberTonyC

Doubt it … And I’m sure the power company will ask for a rate INCREASE to pay for all the OT and damage repair.

Well, they obviously need some updating and systems overhauls.

264 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:00:40pm

re: #261 ggt

While complaining that others should do it and don’t.

Of course, a lot of us define bling as “what other people waste money on.”

265 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:00:50pm

re: #255 Sergey Romanov

Let me be extreme in my example, so as not to tie this to Maher: I believe no professional news org. would call Hitler a pig in headline either. Because professional news orgs don’t do that.

People keep trying to say this in different ways. Good luck getting those throwing down the MBF card to understand it, though.

266 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:01:25pm

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

From what I can see Fox didn’t editorialize a single word in the article. It was copied, pasted and linked to Mediate.

Not talking about the article. Talking about the headline. Your Mediate link says “Bill Maher”, the Foxnation links say “Pig Maher.” That’s unprofessional journalism honestly. As I said I’d take issue if a newsoutlet like MSNBC or CNN did the same in its headlines to someone I disliked.

267 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:01:27pm

re: #262 Cheechako

Did any pipes freeze?

you drain them the moment power goes out….maybe New Eglanders don’t know that

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:01:37pm

re: #253 albusteve

I do double shots reading these threads

How come?

269 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:01:38pm

re: #250 ggt

I don’t know freetoken. I think we’d get further as a tribe if we all looked to our own faults before pointing out the faults of others.

But that is the whole point. To be perceived as better as the other we make sure that the other looks worse than us. That can be physical “looks”, but also includes everything else we do (from what we buy to whom we befriend.) By making our own self look more desirable the other looks less.

This is what primates do, at least from my limited understanding - each individual continually jockeys for position in the group. We’re dependent upon each other, the troop, to exist, and we know that deep down, so striking out on our own is out of the question. So the question remains - how do I keep my position in the group, or hopefully enhance my status in the group.

That’s why the “base” of the current GOP worships the rich. It’s also why, btw, academia (and other parts of our society) judges on how many letters one has after one’s name.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:04pm

re: #255 Sergey Romanov

Let me be extreme in my example, so as not to tie this to Maher: I believe no professional news org. would call Hitler a pig in headline either. Because professional news orgs don’t do that.

Yes, somehow Douchebag Hitler’s Sea Wall Is Breached, Invaders Fighting lacks…something.

271 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:09pm

>

272 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:23pm

re: #264 EmmmieG

Of course, a lot of us define bling as “what other people waste money on.”

‘FarmVille’ creator Zynga to go public; IPO expected to raise $1 billion

273 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:25pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, somehow Douchebag Hitler’s Sea Wall Is Breached, Invaders Fighting lacks…something.

Gravitas.

274 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:40pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, it’s possible. There are some really stupid people out here who believe everything they see on TV.

Riiight, you didn’t think that’s what Maher was actually saying, you just said he was a pig for saying it because you’re worried about really, incredibly credulous, stupid people not getting the nuance.

275 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:49pm

re: #268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How come?

it enhances the concern troll aspect…good humor

276 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:02:53pm

re: #269 freetoken

But that is the whole point. To be perceived as better as the other we make sure that the other looks worse than us. That can be physical “looks”, but also includes everything else we do (from what we buy to whom we befriend.) By making our own self look more desirable the other looks less.

This is what primates do, at least from my limited understanding - each individual continually jockeys for position in the group. We’re dependent upon each other, the troop, to exist, and we know that deep down, so striking out on our own is out of the question. So the question remains - how do I keep my position in the group, or hopefully enhance my status in the group.

That’s why the “base” of the current GOP worships the rich. It’s also why, btw, academia (and other parts of our society) judges on how many letters one has after one’s name.

So, it’s still all about perception and emotion and not reality?

(What is the nature of reality anyway?)

:0

277 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:06pm

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw the Olbermann link above.

Keith hated Bush with an irrational white hot hate.

When Erin Burnett was on CNBC, she called GWB a monkey or a chimp one time

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:17pm

re: #273 EmmmieG

Gravitas.

It also adds unnecessary length to the headline, of course.

279 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:22pm

bbl

280 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:30pm

Senile Reagan asks Gorbachev to tear down this wall.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:52pm

re: #273 EmmmieG

Gravitas.

decorum

282 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:03:55pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, somehow Douchebag Hitler’s Sea Wall Is Breached, Invaders Fighting lacks…something.

That Fucker Hitler Now Conscripting Boys and Old Men Into The Army has a bit of a ring to it, but even Stars and Stripes wouldn’t print it.

There’s a name for news organizations that use language like this. It’s the tabloids. Fox Nation is unrepentant tabloid journalism.

283 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:04:04pm

re: #272 jaunte

‘FarmVille’ creator Zynga to go public; IPO expected to raise $1 billion

Back in the days when that stupid game still posted frequent requests for supplies on the facebook walls, an old friend had a request go up for supplies to help build a building.

I told her that, looking around that second, I could contribute some scotch tape, paperclips, and a highlighter.

284 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:04:19pm

re: #276 ggt

So, it’s still all about perception and emotion and not reality?

(What is the nature of reality anyway?)

:0

don’t even think about it

//

285 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:04:20pm

re: #276 ggt

So, it’s still all about perception and emotion and not reality?

Well, I think it is more concrete than that. In reality the Koch bros. can control the lives of many people, but the underlings can’t control their bosses. Status in the group is enforced, even though in humans that is often indirect.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:04:47pm

re: #282 Obdicut

That Fucker Hitler Now Conscripting Boys and Old Men Into The Army has a bit of a ring to it,

LLOL.

287 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:05:23pm

re: #282 Obdicut

That Fucker Hitler Now Conscripting Boys and Old Men Into The Army has a bit of a ring to it, but even Stars and Stripes wouldn’t print it.

There’s a name for news organizations that use language like this. It’s the tabloids. Fox Nation is unrepentant tabloid journalism.

should have been here back in the day when I was the only person saying that about Fox…good times, pigs and all….I hate the MSM

288 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:06:46pm

re: #282 Obdicut

Actually, I can imagine the Soviet press writing a headline with “cannibal Hitler”, but that’s the extreme of what they would do, and it’s Soviet press.

289 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:07:52pm

re: #267 albusteve

you drain them the moment power goes out…maybe New Eglanders don’t know that

Hey…I’m a former New Englander too. I know the drill. Back in the 1950’s my house went without electricity for 4 weeks after Hurricanes Carol and Diane. Of course that was in the summer so we didn’t have to worry about frozen pipes.

290 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:08:51pm

re: #288 Sergey Romanov

Actually, I can imagine the Soviet press writing a headline with “cannibal Hitler”, but that’s the extreme of what they would do, and it’s Soviet press.

Are you insinuating that Murdoch Tabloidism can in any meaningful way be compared to Soviet propaganda?!?

/

291 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:09:12pm

re: #289 Cheechako

Hey…I’m a former New Englander too. I know the drill. Back in the 1950’s my house went without electricity for 4 weeks after Hurricanes Carol and Diane. Of course that was in the summer so we didn’t have to worry about frozen pipes.

Einstein knew nothing about draining pipes…factoid

292 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:10:22pm

re: #290 000G

You know, there’s a lot of similarities.

It’s funny, I first started going to Axis History Forums to do research on the use of propaganda during WWII, which was really the first time I’d interacted meaningfully on the internet with anyone. That’s where I ‘met’ Sergey for the first time. And now, years later, we’re here, and the subject of propaganda in WWII came up again.

293 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:10:51pm

re: #291 albusteve

Einstein knew nothing about draining pipes…factoid

/Link?

294 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:11:25pm

re: #267 albusteve

you drain them the moment power goes out…maybe New Eglanders don’t know that

It was never cold enough for an extended about of time for the pipes to freeze … Thank goodness

295 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:12:34pm

re: #292 Obdicut

You know, there’s a lot of similarities.

I know. Hence the /.

Cold Warriors on either side have more in common with each other than they’d like to admit.

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:12:45pm

re: #293 Cheechako

/Link?

It is known.

(As the Dothraki like to say.)

297 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:13:36pm

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

My mom has become a pretty good amateur plumber from replacing our burst pipes. I grew up in Storrs— where UCONN is— in a colonial-era house. If the power was on, we’d use heaters on some of the pipes we knew would freeze otherwise. If it wasn’t, we’d try to flush them but sometimes they’d still burst, and mom would fix them. I learned a little, but she’s really got a natural talent for it.

298 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:14:28pm

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

It was never cold enough for an extended about of time for the pipes to freeze … Thank goodness

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

It was never cold enough for an extended about of time for the pipes to freeze … Thank goodness

even exterior wall plumbing takes a long time to blow….you need some serious bitter cold for as couple of days…most common is the outside fawcet that is not winter proof

299 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:15:13pm

re: #290 000G

Are you insinuating that Murdoch Tabloidism can in any meaningful way be compared to Soviet propaganda?!?

/

You insult me, sir. I’m not insinuating. I’m plainly stating this!

///

300 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:15:20pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

It is known.

(As the Dothraki like to say.)

/Link or it’s not true. And just who are the Dothraki?

301 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:15:26pm

re: #297 Obdicut

My mom has become a pretty good amateur plumber from replacing our burst pipes. I grew up in Storrs— where UCONN is— in a colonial-era house. If the power was on, we’d use heaters on some of the pipes we knew would freeze otherwise. If it wasn’t, we’d try to flush them but sometimes they’d still burst, and mom would fix them. I learned a little, but she’s really got a natural talent for it.

iron or copper?

302 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:16:24pm

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

From what I can see Fox didn’t editorialize a single word in the article. It was copied, pasted and linked to Mediate.

So if CNN ran a story that was copied and pasted from another source, but gave it the headline “Poopyhead Hannity Hates Black People!!!”, that would be professional, objective journalism?

303 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:17:13pm

re: #301 albusteve

Iron, for the most part. We only had copper in the bathrooms, I think, and those weren’t close to the exterior. Really, there were just two pipes— one being the external faucet, as you noted, and another being the kitchen sink that touched an exterior wall— that were the problem.

304 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:18:32pm

On a last note, this is my favorite Fox Nation headline:

Hippy Apes Caught Cannibalizing Their Young

305 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:19:21pm

re: #304 000G

On a last note, this is my favorite Fox Nation headline:

Hippy Apes Caught Cannibalizing Their Young

Tagged as Politics. Of course.

306 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:20:42pm

re: #304 000G

On a last note, this is my favorite Fox Nation headline:

Hippy Apes Caught Cannibalizing Their Young

That is awesome. But hippy? I’ve never met a cannibal hippy. A hippy ape would be awesome.

307 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:22:06pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

That is awesome. But hippy? I’ve never met a cannibal hippy. A hippy ape would be awesome.

I’ve noticed that Fox Nation has stopped showing comments lately.

LMFAO.

308 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:22:14pm

re: #303 Obdicut

Iron, for the most part. We only had copper in the bathrooms, I think, and those weren’t close to the exterior. Really, there were just two pipes— one being the external faucet, as you noted, and another being the kitchen sink that touched an exterior wall— that were the problem.

as a remodel contractor, we never put plumbing inside exterior walls…poor design, but it’s hard to stick to that rule with kitchens….typically a sink faces an outside wall with a window so insulation is the back up in those cases….messed up plumbing can be a real bitch

309 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:22:26pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

310 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:22:49pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

That is awesome. But hippy? I’ve never met a cannibal hippy. A hippy ape would be awesome.

Did we evolve from hippies?
My grandpop wasn’t a dirty fuckin hippie!

///sorry

311 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:23:29pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

That is awesome. But hippy? I’ve never met a cannibal hippy.

Wiggum: Now, what I am about to show you next may shock and educate you. Hold onto your values as we step through the looking glass into a hippie pot party.
[flicks a switch, lighting a mannequin with a joint crudely stuck to his mouth]
While Johnny Welfare plays acid rock on a stolen guitar, his old lady has a better idea.
[lights up another mannequin, of a woman opening wide to eat a baby sandwich. (That’s a sandwich with a baby in it, not a really tiny sandwich.) The crowd gasps]
That’s right, she’s got the munchies for a California Cheeseburger.

312 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:23:50pm

re: #308 albusteve

as a remodel contractor, we never put plumbing inside exterior walls…poor design, but it’s hard to stick to that rule with kitchens…typically a sink faces an outside wall with a window so insulation is the back up in those cases…messed up plumbing can be a real bitch

Yeah, and this house was built in 1790, and so we don’t want to mess with the structure of it too much.

313 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:23:56pm

Watch in amazement as this Arizona 3TV newscasters talks about “the science behind supernatural ability” as he, in a very serious manner, introduces some snake oil saleswoman (er, psychic medium) with a “special gift” of “talking to the dead.”

314 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:24:02pm

re: #307 Atlas Fails

I’ve noticed that Fox Nation has stopped showing comments lately.

LMFAO.

Well when every story about a black person results in racial epithets………

315 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:25:04pm

re: #308 albusteve

Is copper a better choice for the pipes that touch exterior walls? Is it less likely to burst? Since it’s more expensive, I think mom decided not to use it there.

316 Atlas Fails  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:25:18pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Well when every story about a black person results in racial epithets…

Maybe it’s in the wake of the domestic terror arrests in Georgia?

317 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:25:20pm

Science!

318 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:25:36pm

re: #316 Atlas Fails

Maybe it’s in the wake of the domestic terror arrests in Georgia?

I dunno.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:25:46pm

re: #298 albusteve

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

even exterior wall plumbing takes a long time to blow…you need some serious bitter cold for as couple of days…most common is the outside fawcet that is not winter proof

When I was in grad school in England, they had a cold, cold winter. (One of the years that Holland can have the cross-country skating race that they can only have if it’s cold enough that the whole course freezes.)

The dorm got cleared out over not-Christmas break, and they turned off the heating in the building to save money.

And, of course the pipes burst.

320 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:26:31pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Yet another biggest douche in the universe.

321 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:27:26pm

- How do you talk to the dead?
- Mmm… Magnets?

322 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:27:35pm

re: #320 Sergey Romanov

Yet another biggest douche in the universe.

I ran into that video by accident. Perhaps it was a sign! Can you believe that intro? And the music? 3TV is supposed to be a “serious” news channel.

323 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:27:49pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Science!

324 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:27:49pm

re: #300 Cheechako

/Link or it’s not true. And just who are the Dothraki?

A nomadic people from a series of fantasy novels by George R.R. Martin. They’re sort of like Mongols, culturally. Horsemen, very warlike. When they’re passing on some bit of folk wisdom that’s generally agreed on (or, I suspect, that they’ve made up on the spot), they tend to say, “It is known.” Then someone else says it, to agree that it is indeed known.

325 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:30:52pm

re: #315 Obdicut

Is copper a better choice for the pipes that touch exterior walls? Is it less likely to burst? Since it’s more expensive, I think mom decided not to use it there.

Copper’s better than iron for that but it’ll still burst if it gets too much stress.

fwiw, when I lived in Colorado I wound up putting in drain valves and air compressor fittings in the high risk locations. AFTER we lost my wife’s wedding dress and other important things stored in the basement due to a burst pipe unnoticed (due to our absence) for almost 24 hours.

326 Lidane  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:33:00pm

re: #11 makeitstop

Nowadays, the GOP is the party of ‘Lincoln was a RINO.’
/

Talk to a few dedicated Luap Nor fanboys sometime. That’s putting it mildly.

To them, Lincoln wasn’t a RINO. He was a genocidal tyrant and asshole.

327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:33:16pm

re: #322 Gus 802

I ran into that video by accident. Perhaps it was a sign! Can you believe that intro? And the music? 3TV is supposed to be a “serious” news channel.

Hears voices? Hmm. Is there a way to commit her? /

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:34:07pm

re: #313 Gus 802

everyone can talk to the dead, we all have that ability :D

getting an answer, that’s a bit tougher

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:34:13pm

re: #327 Sergey Romanov

Hears voices? Hmm. Is there a way to commit her? /

I don’t think you can commit someone just because they hear voices.

330 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:34:36pm

re: #327 Sergey Romanov

Hears voices? Hmm. Is there a way to commit her? /

What are you, a nerd?

331 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:35:53pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think you can commit someone just because they hear voices.

I had a song— really, just a phrase from a song— stuck in my head all day long, and it made me feel crazy. It’s always nuts that we can’t make ourselves stop hearing something in our heads.

332 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:36:14pm

re: #327 Sergey Romanov

Hears voices? Hmm. Is there a way to commit her? /

Never ceases to amaze me how people like her are allowed to “practice” their profession scam as though it was a legitimate service.

333 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:36:26pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think you can commit someone just because they hear voices.

I know.

334 Lidane  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:36:48pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Apparently if you were a liberal against Palin, you were afraid of “strong Republican women.” Yeah, it’s not that I can’t think she was unqualified for office or batsht

Oh dear lord how that idiocy pissed me off. I can’t count the number of times I wanted to reach through my monitor and slap some sense into smug, self-righteous assholes who thought that the only reason I didn’t like Palin was because I was “afraid” of her.

I wasn’t afraid of her. I was insulted by her. The idea that the first woman to hold a high office like VPOTUS would be that vapid, stupid, and cruel boggled the mind. She would have set women back at least 50 years if McCain had won.

335 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:37:11pm
336 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:40:37pm

re: #334 Lidane

Oh dear lord how that idiocy pissed me off. I can’t count the number of times I wanted to reach through my monitor and slap some sense into smug, self-righteous assholes who thought that the only reason I didn’t like Palin was because I was “afraid” of her.

I wasn’t afraid of her. I was insulted by her. The idea that the first woman to hold a high office like VPOTUS would be that vapid, stupid, and cruel boggled the mind. She would have set women back at least 50 years if McCain had won.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that the Right’s idea of “strong conservative women” tends to lean towards “Stepford Wife” territory.

337 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:41:12pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think you can commit someone just because they hear voices.

Kitteh agrees…

Image: f0de0011-b890-4e96-8a3b-42765414b293.jpg

338 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:41:47pm

re: #337 wozzablog

Kitteh agrees…

Image: f0de0011-b890-4e96-8a3b-42765414b293.jpg

Hi, Wozza!

340 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:42:28pm

re: #335 jaunte

Wow are they bored.

I got here a bit late, but I wanted to say my first experience with Politics would be the Bosnian War. I remember hearing stories on Good Morning America and ABC News Tonight with Peter Jennings (my favorite of the Big 3).

My first domestic political experience was the 1996 Election. We had the voting for kids exercise at my school. I admit that back then, I “voted” for Dole because his name was the same as the one on the Bananas (Hey I was 6!)

341 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:42:52pm

re: #338 prairiefire

Hi, Wozza!

OH, HAI!

How turns the world upon your quadrant?

342 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:42:55pm
343 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:43:07pm

re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist

A nomadic people from a series of fantasy novels by George R.R. Martin. They’re sort of like Mongols, culturally. Horsemen, very warlike. When they’re passing on some bit of folk wisdom that’s generally agreed on (or, I suspect, that they’ve made up on the spot), they tend to say, “It is known.” Then someone else says it, to agree that it is indeed known.

Thank you. I learned something new today. Sounds like something the GOPTP would use. Or the MSM. Or the wingnut blogs.

344 Lidane  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:43:38pm

re: #336 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I’ve noticed that the Right’s idea of “strong conservative women” tends to lean towards “Stepford Wife” territory.

Pretty much. A Stepford Wife who never, ever steps out of line, does exactly what hubby tells her to, and never questions the right’s attempts at trampling a woman’s rights.

It’s one of many, many reasons why I couldn’t see myself voting for the modern GOP. Talk about voting against my own self-interests. =P

345 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:43:44pm

re: #315 Obdicut

Is copper a better choice for the pipes that touch exterior walls? Is it less likely to burst? Since it’s more expensive, I think mom decided not to use it there.

PEX is supposed to be damn near burst-proof, if it’s installed right…it’s supposed to tolerate 5-6 freeze-thaw cycles before it blows. It’s in my new house and I can tell the pressure difference between it and and the iron pipe in our old house that used to be in the same spot.

Quoth the Wiki:

Benefits of using PEX in plumbing include:

Flexibility. PEX has become a contender for use in residential water plumbing because of its flexibility.[8] It can bend into a wide-radius turn if space permits, or accommodate turns by using elbow joints. In addition, it can handle short-radius turns, sometimes supported with a metal brace; in contrast, PVC, CPVC and copper all require elbow joints. A single length of PEX pipe can not handle a sharp 90-degree turn, however, so in those situations, it is necessary to connect two PEX pipes with a 90-degree PEX elbow joint.

Direct routing of pipes. PEX can run straight from a distribution point to an outlet fixture without cutting or splicing the pipe. This reduces the need for potentially weak and costly joints and reduces the drop in pressure due to turbulence induced at transitions. Since PEX is flexible, it is often possible to install a supply line directly from the water source to an appliance using just one connection at each end.[2]

Greater water pressure at fixtures. Since PEX pipes typically have fewer sharp turns, there is greater water pressure at the sinks and showers and toilets where it is needed.

Less materials cost. Cost of materials is approximately 25% of alternatives.[9][10] One account suggested that the price of copper had quadrupled from 2002 to 2006.[2]

Easier installation. Installing PEX is much less labor intensive than copper pipes, since there is no need to use blow torches to solder pipes together, or to use glue to attach pipes to fittings.[11] One home inspector wrote that “Once you’ve worked with PEX, you’ll never go back to that other stinky glue stuff.”[12] Builders putting in radiant heating systems found that PEX pipes “made installation easy and operation problem-free.”[8] PEX connections can be made by pushing together two matching parts using a compression fitting, or by using an adjustable wrench or a special crimping tool.[2] Generally, fewer connections and fittings are needed in a PEX installation.[4]

Reliable. It neither corrodes nor develops so-called “pinhole” leaks.[4]

No fire risk during installation. Copper piping required soldering using blowtorches, and there was a risk of flame and heat causing a fire; but with PEX there is virtually no danger from fire. However, there was an unfortunate counter-incident in 2011 in which authorities suspect that six firefighters were injured when a fire melted the plastic PEX pipes, causing water to soak into ceiling insulation, adding greater weight which caused the ceiling to collapse; but the PEX tubing was not blamed as the cause of the fire.[13] Overall PEX piping is much safer to install; according to the U.S. National Fire Prevention Agency, blow torches used for soldering metallic plumbing ranked as one of the “top-ten leading causes of house fires each year.”[14]

Acceptance by plumbers. There are routinely advertisements for plumbers specifically seeking ones with PEX experience.[3]

Ability to merge new PEX with existing copper and PVC systems. Manufacturers make fittings allowing installers to join a copper pipe on one end with a PEX line at the other,[2] as well as have options to reduce or expand the diameter of the pipes.

Longevity. The advantageous properties of PEX also make it a candidate for progressive replacement of metal and thermoplastic pipes, especially in long-life applications, because the expected lifetime of PEX pipes reaches 50 years. However, the longest warranty offered by any PEX producer is 25 years.

Suitable for hot and cold pipes. A convenient arrangement is to use color coding to lessen the possibility of confusion.[12] Typically, red PEX tubing is used for hot water while blue PEX tubing is used for cold water.[4]

Less likely to burst from freezing. The general position is that PEX plastic materials are slower to burst than copper or PVC pipes, but that they will burst eventually since freezing causes water to expand.[15] One account suggested that PEX water-filled pipes, frozen over time, will swell and tear; in contrast, copper pipe “rips” and PVC “shatters”.[16] Home expert Steve Maxwell suggested in 2007 that PEX water-filled pipes could endure “five or six freeze-thaw cycles without splitting” while copper would split apart promptly on the first freeze.[17] In new unheated seasonal homes, it is still recommended to drain pipes during an unheated cold season or take other measures to prevent pipes from bursting because of the cold. In new constructions, it is recommended that all water pipes be sloped slightly to permit drainage, if necessary.[17]

No corrosion. Copper and iron pipes can experience corrosion leaks but PEX does not have these problems.[14]

Environmental benefits. One account suggested that PEX used in radiant heating was better for the environment than a copper choice, although it noted that the pipes were based on petroleum products.[10]

Pipe insulation possible. Conventional foam wrap insulation materials can be added to PEX piping to keep hot water hot, and cold water cold, and prevent freezing, if necessary.[18]

Drawbacks of PEX piping include:

Degradation from sunlight. PEX tubing cannot be used in applications exposed to sunlight, as it degrades fairly rapidly.[19] Prior to installation it must be stored away from sunlight, and needs to be shielded from daylight after installation. Leaving it exposed to direct sunlight for as little as 30 days may result in premature failure of the tubing due to embrittlement.[19]

Problems with yellow brass fittings. There have been some claimed PEX systems failures in the U.S., Canada and Europe resulting in several pending class action lawsuits. The failures are claimed to be a result of the brass fittings used in the PEX system. Generally builders and manufacturers have learned from these experiences and have found the best materials for use in fittings used to connect pipe with connectors, valves and other fittings. But there were problems reported with a specific type of brass fitting used in connection with installations in Nevada which caused a negative interaction between its mineral-rich hard water[20] and so-called “yellow brass” fittings.[7] What had happened was that zinc in the fittings leached into the pipe material in a chemical reaction known as dezincification, causing some leaks or blockages.[20] A solution was to replace the yellow brass fittings which had 30% zinc with red brass fittings which had 5% to 10% zinc.[20] It led California building authorities to insist on fittings made from “red brass” which typically has a lower zinc content, and is unlikely to cause problems in the future since problems with these specific fittings have become known.[7]

Initial adjustment to a new plumbing system. There were a few reported problems in the early stages as plumbers and homeowners learned to adjust to the new fittings, and when connections were poorly or improperly made, but home inspectors have generally not noticed any problems with PEX since 2000.[21]

Can’t use adhesives for pipe insulation. One source suggested that pipe insulation, applied to PEX using certain adhesives, could have a detrimental effect causing the pipe to age prematurely; however, other insulating materials can be used such as conventional foam wrap insulation without negative effects.[18]

Fittings somewhat more expensive. Generally PEX fittings, particularly the do-it-yourself compression ones, are more expensive than copper ones, although there is no soldering required.[2]

Potential problems for PEX radiant heating with iron-based components. If PEX tubing is used in a radiant heating system which has ferrous radiators or other parts, meaning they are made out of iron or its alloys, then there is the possibility of rust developing over time; if this is the case, then one solution is to have an “oxygen barrier” in these systems to prevent rust from developing. However, in new installations PEX pipes and iron-based components are not intermixed.

Possible health effects. There was controversy in California during the 2000s about health concerns. Several groups blocked adoption of PEX for concerns about chemicals getting into the water, either from chemicals outside the pipes, or from chemicals inside the pipes such as methyl tertiary butyl ether and tertiary butyl alcohol.[22] These concerns delayed statewide adoption of PEX for almost a decade. After substantial “back-and-forth legal wrangling” which was described as a “judicial rollercoaster”, the disputing groups came to a consensus, and California permitted use of PEX in all occupancies.[23][24] An environmental impact report and subsequent studies determined there were no causes for concerns about public health from use of PEX piping.[23]

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:44:05pm

re: #333 Sergey Romanov

I know.

I supposed you did.

Actually, what I thought of was an anecdote in my psychopathology class. A man is doing field research in, I think, northwest Africa. He’s told that a woman in a nearby village has gone crazy, and he’s asking questions about her symptoms. He’s told that she killed a goat, and he points out that people kill goats all the time. No, he’s told, only men kill goats. Then he’s told that she’s hearing voices. He points out that people in the tribe often hear voices. Before the big cattle drives, they dance, and the ancestors talk to people.

His informant looks at him like he’s a moron, and says, “She hears voices at the wrong times.”

347 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:44:24pm

Hulu - Bela Fleck: Throw Down Your Heart - Watch the full movie now.

This SXSW Audience Award winner captures one of the world’s greatest musicians as he embarks on a pilgrimage to Africa to rediscover the banjo’s musical roots - demonstrating along the way how music transcends languages, cultures and continents.

348 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:46:23pm

re: #344 Lidane

Pretty much. A Stepford Wife who never, ever steps out of line, does exactly what hubby tells her to, and never questions the right’s attempts at trampling a woman’s rights.

It’s one of many, many reasons why I couldn’t see myself voting for the modern GOP. Talk about voting against my own self-interests. =P

Actually, let me take that back. Half come as “Stepford Wives,” while the others (including St. Coulter, Our Lady of The Sharp Tongue) are everything that the Right supposedly hates about strong liberal women, just replaced with a heaping helping of self-loathing.

349 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:46:32pm

We just got a visitor for the night … A friend from town who STILL doesn’t have her power back. Just poured her a glass of red wine …

Later everyone …and thanks again for your support!

350 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:47:35pm

re: #321 Sergey Romanov

- How do you talk to the dead?
- Mmm… Magnets?

yep

351 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:48:17pm

re: #341 wozzablog

OH, HAI!

How turns the world upon your quadrant?

Ok. There was an earthquake in Oklahoma last night. My daughter said she felt it when we were watching Saturday Night Live. Yes, I am raising an Intellectual Subversive to replace myself when I am gone.
Hope you are well. Have they started to decorate for CHristmas yet in fair Londinium?

352 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:49:07pm

re: #345 talon_262

Thanks, I’ll suggest it to mom.

353 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:49:28pm

re: #348 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Those like Coulter are a caricature of the women on my side. They don’t have to be hateful or cruel to get where they want.

I have to imagine Coulter to be a very unhappy woman. Sure, she has money, but no such thing as a stable relationship, and obsessed with delusions and untruths.

354 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:50:02pm
355 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:50:19pm

re: #347 Gus 802

Hulu - Bela Fleck: Throw Down Your Heart - Watch the full movie now.

Awesome. I love that Bela Fleck album.

356 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:51:13pm

re: #351 prairiefire

Me and a friend were watching Doctor Who.

In particular, the episode “The Impossible Planet.” The most awesome timing occurred. The earthquake began at roughly the same time as the first quake occurred in the episode.

357 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:51:42pm

re: #349 _RememberTonyC

We just got a visitor for the night … A friend from town who STILL doesn’t have her power back. Just poured her a glass of red wine …

Later everyone …and thanks again for your support!

Good luck on recovering from the power outage ASAP, but reading your post, I couldn’t help but think of the old Bartles & Jaymes commercials:

358 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:53:35pm

Heh. I see some right wingers on Twitter are already pitching a fit over my use of the word “token.”

So very predictable.

359 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:55:12pm

re: #358 Charles

Heh. I see some right wingers on Twitter are already pitching a fit over my use of the word “token.”

So very predictable.

Wait till they get to South Park.

360 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:55:16pm

re: #351 prairiefire

Ok. There was an earthquake in Oklahoma last night. My daughter said she felt it when we were watching Saturday Night Live. Yes, I am raising an Intellectual Subversive to replace myself when I am gone.
Hope you are well. Have they started to decorate for CHristmas yet in fair Londinium?

The christmas lights are on in oxford street, don’t know who turned them on this year…they seem to have goten earlier every year and the ‘slebs increasingly less relevent

Earthquakes?, in Oklahoma? - is she OK?

361 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:55:24pm

re: #355 Charles

Awesome. I love that Bela Fleck album.

Just started watching the documentary here. Very nice.

362 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:55:31pm

re: #358 Charles

Don’t like the truth, do they?

363 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:56:15pm

re: #354 wozzablog

aww..
Image: 128856748547613284.jpg

Yeah… I wouldn’t want to see captions.

364 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:56:31pm

re: #362 ProLifeLiberal

Don’t like the truth, do they?

It’s stung them something fierce of late, to be faced with the reality that they’re only supporting Cain because he’s a black guy who says things they agree with.

365 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:57:26pm

re: #358 Charles

Heh. I see some right wingers on Twitter are already pitching a fit over my use of the word “token.”

So very predictable.

One catches the most flak when they are directly over the target…the RWNJs love to stay apoplectic, because it seems to be their reason for being.

366 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:59:17pm

re: #365 talon_262

Then its time to make like World War II rhetorically, and hit their positions.

367 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 5:59:38pm

re: #363 Sergey Romanov

Yeah… I wouldn’t want to see captions.

You mean it’s not natural?..

Uh-oh…

368 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:00:52pm

re: #360 wozzablog

Heh, yes I think Oklahoma is ok. I don’t think there were any injuries.

369 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:02:49pm

Cain issues “instructions” to reporters

Members of the media had been warned ahead of time not to ask Cain about the sex harassment story, which had dominated the week’s political news. A sheet of instructions had requested them to “focus and report on reality, not gossip.”

Reporters, however, are not known for taking orders from campaigns trying to avoid unpleasant topics. Still, it took almost six minutes for a scribe to lob an unwelcome question at Cain.

“Mr. Cain, the attorney for one of the women who filed a sexual harassment complaint …”

He didn’t even get the full question out before Cain snapped: “Don’t even go there!”

“No gossip!” interjected Gena Cook of the Texas Patriots PAC, the event’s organizer.

As the reporter persisted, Cain ordered his chief of staff, Mark Block, to send the him a copy of the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics. “Seek truth and report it,” is the code’s first tenet.

370 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:03:19pm

re: #368 prairiefire

Some minor damage a Cathedral or University Building lost a Crenellation (saw it on MSNBC), but it’s less damage than Virginia.

371 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:03:34pm
372 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:03:57pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cain issues “instructions” to reporters

It’s rare that one gets to witness a political campaign implode in real time.

373 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:04:09pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

CEO mode.

374 Lidane  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:05:06pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cain issues “instructions” to reporters

Ahahaha. I love stories like that.

375 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:05:50pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

They’ve discovered that President Obama is from the old school of Democratic party politics and not really interested in being on the cutting edge of policy.

376 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:06:43pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I don’t see hippies in those photos. Does anybody else see hippies in those photos?

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:06:47pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Angry hippies are angry. Something about oil or something.
Video, Photos: 13,000 People Surround White House Demanding a Stop to Dirty Tar Sands Pipeline

Those are some good signs.

378 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:06:58pm

re: #375 freetoken

They’ve discovered that President Obama is from the old school of Democratic party politics and not really interested in being on the cutting edge of policy.

He declared the Iraq War over last week. Do you think it is?

379 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:07:10pm

re: #374 Lidane

Ahahaha. I love stories like that.

Reporters are notorious for following campaign requests stringently and never trying to find out what a candidate might have to hide.

380 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:07:53pm

re: #379 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reporters are notorious for following campaign requests stringently and never trying to find out what a candidate might have to hide.

Yup. Just ask Gary Hart.

381 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:08:11pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Angry hippies are angry. Something about oil or something.
Video, Photos: 13,000 People Surround White House Demanding a Stop to Dirty Tar Sands Pipeline

Hippies? Really?

Image: 6319792881_995f2b1f36_z.jpg

382 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:08:12pm

re: #379 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reporters are notorious for following campaign requests stringently and never trying to find out what a candidate might have to hide.

Only thing funnier would have been a reporter, after Cain quoted from code of ethics, going “Mr. Cain, we’re attempting to find out the truth behind these accusations against you. Why would you oppose that if you’ve nothing to fear of the truth being reported?”

383 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:08:17pm

re: #375 freetoken

They’ve discovered that President Obama is from the old school of Democratic party politics and not really interested in being on the cutting edge of policy.

I had some hopes that he might have an interesting second term but his reelection seems a little more questionable these days.

384 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:08:21pm

My mother once told me that we used to walk in and tell her not to go in the living room right now, okay?

385 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:09:24pm

re: #370 ProLifeLiberal

To elaborate, St. Gregory’s University’s Administration building lost what would be described as a Crennelated Turret.

386 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:09:25pm

re: #381 Gus 802

Hippies? Really?

Image: 6319792881_995f2b1f36_z.jpg

Some people hear voices. Other people see hippies.

387 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:09:40pm

re: #376 Sergey Romanov

I don’t see hippies in those photos. Does anybody else see hippies in those photos?

Not me. I don’t see any hippies. Killgore might be seeing a different page than we are.

388 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:09:42pm

re: #377 SanFranciscoZionist

Those are some good signs.

I particularly enjoyed this one…
Image: 6320316618_3c1667da80_z.jpg

389 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:10:33pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

I still expect him to be reelected, if for no other reason than the GOP has dissolved into an undifferentiated mass of idiocy.

390 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:11:13pm

re: #389 freetoken

I still expect him to be reelected, if for no other reason than the GOP has dissolved into an undifferentiated mass of idiocy.

A confederacy of dunces?

391 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:11:38pm

re: #390 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A confederacy of dunces?

A klan of konfusion?

392 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:11:50pm

re: #386 Sergey Romanov

Some people hear voices. Other people see hippies.

Perhaps instead of being a psychic medium he’s actually a hippie medium.

Look! A tree hippie!

//

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:13:01pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

I particularly enjoyed this one…
Image: 6320316618_3c1667da80_z.jpg

Yeah, I thought that was cute. The girl has a matching one, I now see.

394 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:13:14pm

re: #389 freetoken

I still expect him to be reelected, if for no other reason than the GOP has dissolved into an undifferentiated mass of idiocy.

It’s really hard to tell these days. Both sides seem headed for complete meltdown. Obama can beat Cain but I wouldn’t wager either way if Romney gets the nomination. The base on either side is fed up. The only thing I might wager on is record low turnout.

395 Lidane  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:13:25pm

re: #390 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A confederacy of dunces?

More like a Neo-Confederacy of dunces. Heh.

396 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:13:30pm

And here’s the page for the Keystone XL pipeline at that hippie organziation Sierra Club.

Keystone XL: Pipeline to the Apocalypse

Yeah. I tell yeah. This really will be great for helping to mitigate AGW.

397 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:13:31pm

re: #391 freetoken

A klan of konfusion?

A murder of mendacity?

398 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:13:32pm

re: #392 Gus 802

Horror Hippies from Space.

399 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:14:11pm

re: #376 Sergey Romanov

I don’t see hippies in those photos. Does anybody else see hippies in those photos?

That’s because you’re using the old definition of hippie. In these modern times it means “protester who doesn’t require a hover-round and can spell correctly.”

For other examples see also: Socialist, Fascist,…

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:14:16pm

re: #396 Gus 802

And here’s the page for the Keystone XL pipeline at that hippie organziation Sierra Club.

Keystone XL: Pipeline to the Apocalypse

Yeah. I tell yeah. This really will be great for helping to mitigate AGW.

AGW is a hippie, treehugger issue.

401 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:14:21pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I thought that was cute. The girl has a matching one, I now see.

It’s even better because the guy is hiding his face and the girlfriend is smiling. He’s the prude.

402 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:15:04pm

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A murder of mendacity?

Now that’s a good one.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:15:09pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

It’s even better because the guy is hiding his face and the girlfriend is smiling. He’s the prude.

But he’s there! Holding the sign! Because she said so!

404 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:15:13pm

re: #400 Sergey Romanov

AGW is a hippie, treehugger issue.

Yeah. Pretty much. Only hippies believe in AGW. The tars sands pipeline will mean jobs!

Drill here! Drill now! Pipe here! Pipe now!

//

405 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:15:20pm

re: #396 Gus 802

And here’s the page for the Keystone XL pipeline at that hippie organziation Sierra Club.

Keystone XL: Pipeline to the Apocalypse

Yeah. I tell yeah. This really will be great for helping to mitigate AGW.

I looked but…but…I didn’t see anything about zombies. What page were they on?

406 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:15:48pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

But he’s there! Holding the sign! Because she said so!

Typical hippie beta male.

407 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:16:19pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Typical hippie beta male.

Outrageous outrage.

Yeah. Beta males are all hippies.

//

408 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:16:25pm

Duh-e.

409 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:16:31pm

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A murder of mendacity?

A flock of seagulls?

/Wait, what?

410 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:16:42pm

re: #399 Jimmi the Grey

That’s because you’re using the old definition of hippie. In these modern times it means “protester who doesn’t require a hover-round and can spell correctly.”

For other examples see also: Socialist, Fascist,…

You know who else was a hippie?..

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:16:48pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Typical hippie beta male.

Totally not a hippie.

The girl might qualify.

412 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:17:36pm

So, I saw this Music Video. I think it’s fairly weird.

413 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:17:49pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

It’s really hard to tell these days. Both sides seem headed for complete meltdown. Obama can beat Cain but I wouldn’t wager either way if Romney gets the nomination. The base on either side is fed up. The only thing I might wager on is record low turnout.

You do a great disservce to how badly the GOP base would take to a Romney candidacy, if the resounding apathy that met McCains campaign set a low bar, Romneys would be through the floor.

75% are currently supporting out and out teabag wingnuts

414 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:17:52pm

re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally not a hippie.

The girl might qualify.

The more I look at that pic the more I like it. There’s a story there. Kudos to the photographer.

415 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:18:08pm

re: #409 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A flock of seagulls?

/Wait, what?

I prefer a murder of crows.

416 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:18:25pm

re: #407 Gus 802

Outrageous outrage.

Yeah. Beta males are all hippies.

//

Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Francis.

417 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:18:54pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Francis.

Nice homophobic comeback.

418 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:19:07pm

re: #410 Sergey Romanov

SATAN!!!
(think Churchlady)
:)

419 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:19:25pm

re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally not a hippie.

The girl might qualify.

Especially with that headband…

420 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:19:27pm

re: #412 ProLifeLiberal

Good zombie vid.

421 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:19:57pm

A Parliament of Owls.

(Really, since when do owls congregate?)

422 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:20:07pm

re: #402 freetoken

Now that’s a good one.

A pride of pomposity.

A swarm of smarm.

A grist of grifts.

A clowder of cluelessness.

423 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:20:39pm

re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally not a hippie.

The girl might qualify.

Maybe that’s why the pic appeals to me so much. I dated a lot of hippie chicks in my day. Being a music major turned craftsman I didn’t have much appeal to chicks with real jobs.

424 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:21:47pm

re: #417 Gus 802

Nice homophobic comeback.

Nice strawman, faggot.
/
C’mon, we’re joking here. aren’t we?

425 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:22:43pm

re: #421 EmmmieG

A Parliament of Owls.

(Really, since when do owls congregate?)

My army of frogs has a pretty questionable future. I won;t know for sure until spring.

426 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:23:12pm

re: #417 Gus 802

Nice homophobic comeback.

???

When I read KT’s post, I was thinking about what Sgt. Hulka told “Psycho” in Stripes:

I saw nothing “homophobic” in what KT said.

427 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:23:36pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

Attempted Murder

This is going around FB, and you’re comment reminded me of it. Enjoy!

428 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:23:38pm

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those are good, but a “murder of mendacity” really is a ★★★★ description of the lot.

429 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:23:40pm

re: #420 Sergey Romanov

For a leather coat, I would be turned into a greaser drone. :P

430 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:24:16pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

C’mon, we’re joking here. aren’t we?

Ooops, ok. maybe we aren’t.
/My bad

431 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:24:27pm

re: #426 talon_262

???

When I read KT’s post, I was thinking about what Sgt. Hulka told “Psycho” in Stripes:

[Video]I saw nothing “homophobic” in what KT said.

Who cares. I’m just going to ignore him. Not really interested in the high school bullshit right now.

432 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:24:40pm

re: #426 talon_262

???

When I read KT’s post, I was thinking about what Sgt. Hulka told “Psycho” in Stripes:

[Video]I saw nothing “homophobic” in what KT said.

The hippies are really uptight these days.

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:25:00pm

re: #426 talon_262

???

When I read KT’s post, I was thinking about what Sgt. Hulka told “Psycho” in Stripes:

[Video]I saw nothing “homophobic” in what KT said.

Heh. Now I know where that comes from :P

434 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:25:34pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

WTH, man? I just tried to defend you and you post the f-word, albeit with a sarc tag.

Sorry, but there are some words that a sarc tag just doesn’t excuse, and that’s one; another is the N-word. I know context is everything, but those words should be dead.

435 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:26:38pm

It’s like an elephant in a china shop, only there are many of them and they’re moving.


//

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:28:55pm

re: #423 Killgore Trout

Maybe that’s why the pic appeals to me so much. I dated a lot of hippie chicks in my day. Being a music major turned craftsman I didn’t have much appeal to chicks with real jobs.

But didn’t you secretly want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket?

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:29:17pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

Not that much, we’re not.

438 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:30:23pm

re: #432 Killgore Trout

The hippies are really uptight these days.

Now I’ll say it to you: Lighten up, Francis…

439 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:31:00pm

re: #438 talon_262

Now I’ll say it to you: Lighten up, Francis…

Is anyone here actually named Francis?

440 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:31:30pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

But didn’t you secretly want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket?

All else fails, one could take off their pants and jacket.

/read between the lines ;-P

441 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:31:45pm

It feels late… but it’s only 6:30… gahhh….

442 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:33:15pm

re: #441 freetoken

It feels late… but it’s only 6:30… gahhh…

Yeah, you think you’ve got it tough.

Bedtime got moved back by an hour, and they’re on one tonight.

443 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:33:17pm

re: #438 talon_262

Lighten up, Francis…

This what voice in head tell me. I smart. I understand. I lighted all up with lighter.

//

444 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:33:28pm

re: #435 Sergey Romanov

It’s like an elephant in a china shop, only there are many of them and they’re moving.

//

Watch and learn. Some can troll but I can reel ‘em in from underwater.

//

445 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:34:10pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

But didn’t you secretly want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket?

I want a girl with the right allocations

446 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:35:38pm

re: #445 wozzablog

I want a girl with the right allocations

[Video]

I loves me some CAKE…

447 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:36:25pm

re: #439 EmmmieG

Is anyone here actually named Francis?

Hrmmmm…

448 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:36:36pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

But didn’t you secretly want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket?

I have an instinctive attraction to waitresses. I think I just like anyone who brings me food.

449 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:37:36pm

re: #446 talon_262

I loves me some CAKE…

that CAEK is no lie

450 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:37:44pm

re: #445 wozzablog

And good dividends.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:39:16pm

re: #445 wozzablog

I want a girl with the right allocations

[Video]

Who uses a machete to cut through red tape?

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:39:56pm

re: #446 talon_262

I loves me some CAKE…

I even loved the anti-Obama video someone did with “Building A Religion”.

453 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:40:40pm

A white Chrysler LaBarron!!!!

454 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:41:25pm

I’m having a doozy of a time studying. Also, I found this.

455 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:41:33pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

Not that much, we’re not.

My apologies then, I don’ take this stuff seriously and sometimes forget there’s real animosity. I stand corrected.

456 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:42:39pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Who uses a machete to cut through red tape?

The Rain Forest Destruction League

457 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:43:14pm

re: #450 prairiefire

And good dividends.

goes without saying ;-p

458 Bear  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:43:31pm

re: #453 prairiefire

Don’t have a LeBaron but do have a Chrysler Imperial 1938 vintage.

459 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:43:58pm

re: #456 wozzablog

Yes, yes I do have an answer for everything :p

460 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:45:24pm

re: #413 wozzablog

You do a great disservce to how badly the GOP base would take to a Romney candidacy, if the resounding apathy that met McCains campaign set a low bar, Romneys would be through the floor.

75% are currently supporting out and out teabag wingnuts

Nononono: Both sides are going into meltdown, remember?

461 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:46:52pm

re: #456 wozzablog

The Rain Forest Destruction League

Greatest D&D line ever:

“The local druid circle protested the Duke’s ‘Fireball Fun in the Forest’ tourism campaign.”

462 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:48:03pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Francis.

You’re doing it all wrong. It would be Frances or Francine!

463 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:48:15pm

re: #460 000G

Nononono: Both sides are going into meltdown, remember?

I’d forgotten all the primary challengers Obama has just waiting to sweep in, keep being reminded about those, yet no one can name one..

464 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:48:50pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Who uses a machete to cut through red tape?

Charles Bronson.

Yes, I know he’s deceased.

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:49:03pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

My apologies then, I don’ take this stuff seriously and sometimes forget there’s real animosity. I stand corrected.

Dunno. Everybody knows you despise hippies, you made that clear. So when you call good Americans concerned about real environmental issues angry hippies out of the blue, then yeah, it’s animosity and it causes animosity.

466 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:49:04pm

re: #458 Bear

Don’t have a LeBaron but do have a Chrysler Imperial 1938 vintage.

Cool ~ Like this?Image: Sedantn.jpg

467 Gus  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:51:16pm

re: #465 Sergey Romanov

Dunno. Everybody knows you despise hippies, you made that clear. So when you call good Americans concerned about real environmental issues angry hippies out of the blue, then yeah, it’s animosity and it causes animosity.

I’m trying to figure out what animosity has to do with making a “fa**ot” joke. That’s a classic non-apology. It’s a deflection. “Yeah, I’m sorry for making a racist joke. You see I keep forgetting about the animosity here.”

468 Bear  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:51:59pm

re: #466 prairiefire

Chinchilla Grey.

469 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:52:29pm

re: #463 wozzablog

I’d forgotten all the primary challengers Obama has just waiting to sweep in, keep being reminded about those, yet no one can name one..

OWS will drive the Independents into Romney’s pocket, I tell’s ya!

470 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:53:54pm

re: #467 Gus 802

“I am sorry if any of the faggots felt offended by my words!”

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:54:06pm

re: #467 Gus 802

I think it’s a culture difference at work, but I don’t see the typing out of the word itself as an offensive act, it would depend on context. Here the context is a joke. I didn’t like the joke, but…

472 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:57:41pm

re: #465 Sergey Romanov

Dunno. Everybody knows you despise hippies, you made that clear. So when you call good Americans concerned about real environmental issues angry hippies out of the blue, then yeah, it’s animosity and it causes animosity.

That sounds like hippie talk.
/C’mon, lighten up for fuck’s sake.

473 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:57:45pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

The tar sands issue is a huge one, and worth being angry about. You don’t have to be a hippy.

Image: tarsands3.jpg

I’m angry about it, and I wear a button-down shirt and sensible shoes every day.

474 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:58:51pm

re: #473 Obdicut

The tar sands issue is a huge one, and worth being angry about. You don’t have to be a hippy.

Image: tarsands3.jpg

I’m angry about it, and I wear a button-down shirt and sensible shoes every day.

Man, hippies come in all forms these days!

//

475 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:59:02pm

Apparently, hippies = non-Tea Partiers

476 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:59:14pm

Hey now, everybody chill out. I’m trying to watch the Bela Fleck movie.

477 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:59:20pm

re: #469 000G

OWS will drive the Independents into Romney’s pocket, I tell’s ya!

Hmmm, but then theres this from ABC news….

Obama’s approval rating among Democrats is now a much more robust 78%. And that is the same percentage of support among Democrats that President Bill Clinton had at this point in 1995.

Romneys approval among Republicans has been steady at 23%….since about 2007

478 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:59:20pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Angry hippies are angry. Something about oil or something.
Video, Photos: 13,000 People Surround White House Demanding a Stop to Dirty Tar Sands Pipeline

Unfortunately I don’t think Alberta is going to shut down the tar sands just because we don’t build a pipeline. They’ll sell the oil to China instead.

479 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 6:59:51pm

re: #474 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Man, hippies come in all forms these days!

//

I’m wearing a shooting jacket right now, actually. It rules. One of my favorite pieces of clothing.

It was my grandpas.

480 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:00:09pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

I’m just trying to explain why you’re getting this reaction. I’m not overly worried about this, and neither I have a personal beef with you, tho I may dislike some of the things you write.

481 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:00:45pm

re: #473 Obdicut

The tar sands issue is a huge one, and worth being angry about. You don’t have to be a hippy.

Image: tarsands3.jpg

I’m angry about it, and I wear a button-down shirt and sensible shoes every day.

Birkenstocks and tie die dress shirts don’t count even if you wear a dancing bears tie

482 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:01:02pm

This is tedious.

Anybody got a good (new) rant?

483 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:01:32pm

re: #482 EmmmieG

This is tedious.

Anybody got a good (new) rant?

IKEA is Evil!

484 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:02:10pm

re: #483 Alouette

IKEA is Evil!

Old rant.

But I’m biassed, they tried to ban my people
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

485 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:02:41pm

re: #478 jaunte

Unfortunately I don’t think Alberta is going to shut down the tar sands just because we don’t build a pipeline. They’ll sell the oil to China instead.

That’s raised often, but a real issue for Canadian fossil fuel (liquid) production is that a great deal of the current infrastructure (piping) goes through the US.

Creating a new system of piping that goes West is a real challenge (a little thing called the Rocky Mountains), or north (it still freezes up there in the winter.) Creating a new architecture for Canadian liquids is a daunting task, as has already been proven with the natural gas pipeline fiascos of the past few years.

486 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:02:42pm

re: #482 EmmmieG

This is tedious.

Anybody got a good (new) rant?

So I was at the drum circle this afternoon…..

487 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:02:45pm

re: #483 Alouette

IKEA is Evil!

EVIL=LIVE

Discuss.


///

488 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:03:12pm

IKEA is of the døvil.

489 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:04:00pm

For once in my life I can’t come up with a rant. Usually I can drop one off at a second’s notice.

490 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:04:34pm

People drive like idiots!

491 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:04:53pm

re: #488 jaunte

IKEA is of the døvil.

Like all the best evil - with a screw loose and some assembly required.

492 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:04:58pm

re: #487 Sergey Romanov

EVIL=LIVE

Discuss.

///

EVIL=LIVE=VILE

Complete the circle.

493 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:05:16pm

re: #490 prairiefire

People drive like idiots!

That’s not a rant, that’s one of the great truths of mankind.

494 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:05:33pm

re: #492 freetoken

EVIL=LIVE=VILE

Complete the circle.

What about VEIL?

495 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:06:38pm

re: #494 EmmmieG

What about VEIL?

Thats what you drawer down over the linguistic conspiracy

496 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:06:56pm

New show on AMC, Hell ‘On Wheels’…been looking forward to it.
Hope it’s good…

497 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:07:08pm

re: #494 EmmmieG

What about VEIL?

Sounds like a licentious Vegas production marquee:

LIVE: the VILE VEIL of EVIL

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:07:27pm

Okay. I just finished Episode 6 of the Walking Dead.

Bring on Season 2!

499 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:08:39pm

re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So far so good.

500 recusancy  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:09:12pm

re: #496 OhNoZombies!

New show on AMC, Hell ‘On Wheels’…been looking forward to it.
Hope it’s good…

I’m not.

501 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:09:46pm

re: #492 freetoken

re: #494 EmmmieG

re: #495 wozzablog

Wow, it worked! A discussion!
///

502 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:10:55pm

re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. I just finished Episode 6 of the Walking Dead.

Bring on Season 2!

Good series.


503 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:11:36pm

re: #487 Sergey Romanov

EVIL=LIVE

Discuss.

///

Um, I do believe it can also be recorded earlier before a studio audience…

//

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:13:09pm

re: #502 000G

Wait! Does a zombie die?

505 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:13:21pm

re: #500 recusancy

Damn…
I’ll still give it a chance.

506 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:13:57pm

re: #501 Sergey Romanov

We’re all clearly bored and there is no urgent news today which has grabbed our fancy.

Me - I’m wondering how much longer I’ll be able to afford chocolate after seeing how fast some food prices are rising. Economics is full of non-linearities and dramatic price rises happen now and then when tightly constrained supplies of necessary items line up with the stars of human fancy.

507 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:15:43pm

Early this morning.. I read a post by a Lizard who missed California dearly..I guess he is a New Yorker..Can’t remember who it was.. But he poured his heart out about missing Cali…
That is the truth and heart laid out to the world…Nice…
Last night really late after the Earthquake I posted about missing Napa..
They say you can never go home…
But you can

508 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:16:29pm

re: #506 freetoken

We’re all clearly bored and there is no urgent news today which has grabbed our fancy.

Me - I’m wondering how much longer I’ll be able to afford chocolate after seeing how fast some food prices are rising. Economics is full of non-linearities and dramatic price rises happen now and then when tightly constrained supplies of necessary items line up with the stars of human fancy.

Chocolate has had some weird spikes in price due to the futures commodity markets and a couple of bad crops. Should settle back down.

509 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:16:48pm

Here’s a news item courtesy of the Yahoo feed:

Vatican wants ‘boring’ sermons spiced up

The Vatican’s top cultural official on Friday hit out at sermons he said were too often dreary and bland and urged Catholic priests not to shy away from spicing up their preaching.

I’d suggest putting scantily clad (in black pleather) dancers in the lecterns during intermission, like the football teams use.

510 makeitstop  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:17:14pm

re: #507 HoosierHoops

Early this morning.. I read a post by a Lizard who missed California dearly..I guess he is a New Yorker..Can’t remember who it was.. But he poured his heart out about missing Cali…
That is the truth and heart laid out to the world…Nice…
Last night really late after the Earthquake I posted about missing Napa..
They say you can never go home…
But you can

Obdicut.

511 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:17:28pm

re: #507 HoosierHoops

That was the me.

Now I’m going to bed, to dream of The Golden Gate and my lovely lady by the sea, San Francisco.

512 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:18:00pm

re: #509 freetoken

Here’s a news item courtesy of the Yahoo feed:

Vatican wants ‘boring’ sermons spiced up

I’d suggest putting scantily clad (in black pleather) dancers in the lecterns during intermission, like the football teams use.

Jokes work. Clean jokes, that is.

513 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:18:50pm

re: #512 EmmmieG

Jokes work. Clean jokes, that is.

Actress and a Bishop meet in a…

514 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:19:40pm

re: #511 Obdicut

That was the me.

Now I’m going to bed, to dream of The Golden Gate and my lovely lady by the sea, San Francisco.

I’ll be back home to see my pops in a couple of weeks..
I liked your post
You can take the dude out of California but you can’t take California out of the dude

515 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:20:16pm

re: #509 freetoken

Here’s a news item courtesy of the Yahoo feed:

Vatican wants ‘boring’ sermons spiced up

I’d suggest putting scantily clad (in black pleather) dancers in the lecterns during intermission, like the football teams use.

SEND IN THE NUNS!

516 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:21:59pm

re: #507 HoosierHoops

Early this morning.. I read a post by a Lizard who missed California dearly..I guess he is a New Yorker..Can’t remember who it was.. But he poured his heart out about missing Cali…
That is the truth and heart laid out to the world…Nice…
Last night really late after the Earthquake I posted about missing Napa..
They say you can never go home…
But you can

my home is the entire country…when I visit Philly, I’m home, and I hate that place….we are all of one nest…problem is, people don’t understand the scope, the magnitude of the nest

517 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:22:14pm
518 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:22:34pm

re: #515 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SEND IN THE NUNS!

in black pleather.

519 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:23:17pm

re: #518 freetoken

in black pleather.

…I’ll be in my bunk.

/

520 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:24:43pm

re: #518 freetoken

Do we have a fetish with Black Pleather?

521 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:25:05pm

Ravens/Steelers
tough game, bigtime football

522 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:25:23pm

re: #509 freetoken

Here’s a news item courtesy of the Yahoo feed:

Vatican wants ‘boring’ sermons spiced up

I’d suggest putting scantily clad (in black pleather) dancers in the lecterns during intermission, like the football teams use.

One of the things, smallish but real, that makes me an Episcopalian rather than the Roman Catholic my mother would have preferred, is the fact that like other protestants we have much better preachers.

523 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:26:27pm

re: #522 wlewisiii

One of the things, smallish but real, that makes me an Episcopalian rather than the Roman Catholic my mother would have preferred, is the fact that like other protestants we have much better preachers.

those Pisco’s are flesh eater’s too…no?

524 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:27:49pm

re: #521 albusteve

Ravens/Steelers
tough game, bigtime football

Loved last nights LSU/Alabama game for many of the same reasons. Best defensive game of the year and only a week after the best offensive game (Stanford/USC).

525 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:28:02pm

re: #520 ProLifeLiberal

Do we have a fetish with Black Pleather?

No, but it works for nuns in habits.

526 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:29:25pm

re: #523 albusteve

those Pisco’s are flesh eater’s too…no?

As far as it goes. But I like my Friday fish fry ;)

527 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:29:47pm

re: #524 wlewisiii

Loved last nights LSU/Alabama game for many of the same reasons. Best defensive game of the year and only a week after the best offensive game (Stanford/USC).

oh man, what a game that was, and they may play again this year…epic

528 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:31:21pm

re: #526 wlewisiii

As far as it goes. But I like my Friday fish fry ;)

Methodist can bake…real world goodies, no wafers

529 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:31:21pm

re: #525 freetoken

No, but it works for nuns in habits.

very bad habits…

530 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:31:39pm

Remember when the winguts were the craziest show in town?


Ah, those were the days.
531 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:31:56pm

Well, here is some good news I found:

Louisville schools add gardening to agenda

Along with the traditional reading, writing and arithmetic, students in Jefferson County are learning how to garden.

Thanks to a $1.5 million grant from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than two dozen schools across Louisville are adding gardens to their school grounds. Schools that already maintained gardens can use the funding to expand them.

Jill Costin, nutrition initiatives coordinator for Jefferson County Public Schools, told The Courier-Journal that the money was part of a $7.8 million grant the district received last year to promote nutrition and physical activity.

Fern Creek High School senior Katelyn Ong said many of her classmates don’t have a “real connection” to where their food comes from and may not recognize it if it looks different than it normally appears in a grocery store.

I think this is a good idea and we need more practical education like this.

“I had this green tomato the other day and someone thought it was a pear,” she said, shaking her head. “They had no idea that not all tomatoes are red.”

[…]

It’s desperately needed education.

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:32:55pm

re: #514 HoosierHoops

I’ll be back home to see my pops in a couple of weeks..
I liked your post
You can take the dude out of California but you can’t take California out of the dude

It’s the same with mobile homes.

533 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:33:33pm

G’night folks

534 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:34:03pm

re: #527 albusteve

oh man, what a game that was, and they may play again this year…epic

At this point, I’d love to see LSU/Stanford. That would be amazing.

535 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:38:01pm

I got married in a Methodist church…just a pretty Rockwellian gig in a small village…afterword at my place we had a party…I tried to give the preacher $100 tip or whatever you call it and he wouldn’t take it…he says we are going to Brazil and do the Lords work and you can give it to the church to help finance the trip…I stuffed the bill in his pocket and said I don’t give a damn about missionary crap but I thought he should buy a sombrero for himself and do some shots with the natives…that was the end of that relationship

536 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:39:36pm

re: #462 000G

I find it so sad I’m the only one who updinged that clip.

537 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:39:56pm

re: #528 albusteve

Methodist can bake…real world goodies, no wafers

Used to work with a gym teacher who was very active in her church. Baptists of some kind. They were always having giant potlucks, and she would bring the leftovers to the staff lounge. It was quite something.

538 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:42:17pm

re: #537 SanFranciscoZionist

Used to work with a gym teacher who was very active in her church. Baptists of some kind. They were always having giant potlucks, and she would bring the leftovers to the staff lounge. It was quite something.

yup, the more you eat, the more pious you are…
I jest…but what’s with the food?

539 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:42:34pm

re: #432 Killgore Trout

The hippies are really uptight these days.

Heh.

540 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:43:38pm

re: #539 Racer X

Heh.

Hello, Racer.

541 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:44:27pm

hi mom!…what’s for dinner?…
we’re having Solomans Tomb tonight and St Mark for dessert….

542 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:45:40pm

It is ironic to recall that the Republican Party is the original party of Lincoln, and was largely started to get rid of slavery.

543 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:48:49pm

Racer?…is that you?
I thought you were DOA

544 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:52:28pm

re: #543 albusteve

Racer?…is that you?
I thought you were DOA

I ain’t dead yet.
-Richard Pryor

545 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:55:43pm

Portraits of some of the “hippies” of the Occupy San Diego group:

Portraits of the Occupy San Diego movement

546 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 7:57:54pm

I do not understand the OWS protesters.
What is it they want?

547 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:00:18pm

re: #544 Racer X

I ain’t dead yet.
-Richard Pryor

“They said you was hung!”

/

548 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:02:42pm

re: #546 Racer X

I do not understand the OWS protesters.
What is it they want?

549 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:03:42pm

re: #546 Racer X

I do not understand the OWS protesters.
What is it they want?

they want to post at LGF

550 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:03:58pm
551 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:06:02pm

When I just searched Google for “orchid”, for everything within the past 24 hours, the Google super-algorithm tells me there are 359,000 items.

And almost at the top, at #2 on the first page… is an LGF Page!

552 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:08:07pm

re: #551 freetoken

When I just searched Google for “orchid”, for everything within the past 24 hours, the Google super-algorithm tells me there are 359,000 items.

And almost at the top, at #2 on the first page… is an LGF Page!

Hmmm. I get it at #5. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] ?

553 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:08:37pm

re: #551 freetoken

When I just searched Google for “orchid”, for everything within the past 24 hours, the Google super-algorithm tells me there are 359,000 items.

And almost at the top, at #2 on the first page… is an LGF Page!

Pages seem to always go to the top of Google.
Charles has mad code skills.

554 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:09:21pm

re: #552 000G

Google knows you want the porn links first….

555 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:10:54pm

Weren’t we talking about cops earlier?:

We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies

A former NYPD narcotics detective snared in a corruption scandal testified it was common practice to fabricate drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas.

The bombshell testimony from Stephen Anderson is the first public account of the twisted culture behind the false arrests in the Brooklyn South and Queens narc squads, which led to the arrests of eight cops and a massive shakeup.

Anderson, testifying under a cooperation agreement with prosecutors, was busted for planting cocaine, a practice known as “flaking,” on four men in a Queens bar in 2008 to help out fellow cop Henry Tavarez, whose buy-and-bust activity had been low.

[Link: articles.nydailynews.com…]

Arrest quotas? Where are all these quotas for arrests and deportations coming from?

556 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:10:55pm

Life out of balance:

Best Buy Co. is joining the list of big store chains opening at midnight after Thanksgiving this year in hopes of getting a jump on the competition, following recent announcements by Target Corp., Macy’s Inc. and Kohl’s Corp.
[Link: online.wsj.com…]

557 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:11:45pm

re: #556 jaunte

Life out of balance:

/SB10001424052970203733504577022102816859764.html

Baby Brother works there. I guess he’ll be leaving the family dinner at two this year.

558 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:12:26pm

re: #557 EmmmieG

Who wants to go shopping at midnight?

559 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:13:07pm

re: #556 jaunte

Capitalist bastards.

560 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:13:44pm

re: #558 jaunte

Who wants to go shopping at midnight?

I’ve never understood it. I will happily pay a higher price to avoid the nut job crowds.

561 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:13:48pm

re: #558 jaunte

Who wants to go shopping at midnight?

junkies

562 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:14:10pm

re: #559 Racer X

Maybe they’ll serve coffee.

563 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:14:26pm

re: #509 freetoken

Here’s a news item courtesy of the Yahoo feed:

Vatican wants ‘boring’ sermons spiced up

I’d suggest putting scantily clad (in black pleather) dancers in the lecterns during intermission, like the football teams use.

Sounds like a job for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

564 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:15:26pm

re: #563 eclectic infidel

Sounds like a job for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

go-go nuns

565 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:15:56pm

re: #546 Racer X

I do not understand the OWS protesters.
What is it they want?

I think a lot of the confusion comes from expecting a precise agenda from the protests. In our sound byte/bumper sticker news culture it is expected that any protest have razor sharp defined demands. The fact that OWS doesn’t has led to the impression that they are a bunch of dirty hippies looking for an excuse to just party and create a spectacle.

From what I’ve been seeing (both from online info and people I know who are participating in Occupy Portland) they want to create an awareness of problems with our current economic system (which they are achieving). They also want to bring awareness of bad business practices in our financial markets, and the damage these practices are doing. They want to start a movement which will create the said razor sharp defined demands to solve the issues with our economy.

Hope that helps some.

566 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:16:49pm
567 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:16:53pm

re: #560 prairiefire

I’ve never understood it. I will happily pay a higher price to avoid the nut job crowds.

My husband went one year. The line to check out was so long that he figured out his per-hour savings and said no thank you.

568 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:17:34pm

Amazon’s black Friday deals are insane, though, and do not involve having to stand in line anywhere or sleep in front of your computer.

569 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:18:21pm

re: #560 prairiefire

I’ve never understood it. I will happily pay a higher price to avoid the nut job crowds.

Amen.

570 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:19:20pm

re: #568 EmmmieG

Amazon’s black Friday deals are insane, though, and do not involve having to stand in line anywhere or sleep in front of your computer.

Yes! Very true, they are great deals. Also, going through the LGF link helps Charles. Don’t forget to remind us, Charles!

571 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:19:48pm

Hey all,

Sup?

572 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:20:34pm

re: #546 Racer X

I do not understand the OWS protesters.
What is it they want?

Closest thing to a sound bite is “1% vs. 99%. We are, and you are, the 99%. Believe it or not.”

573 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:21:30pm

re: #568 EmmmieG

Amazon’s black Friday deals are insane, though, and do not involve having to stand in line anywhere or sleep in front of your computer.

it’s only money…if you have to go to extremes, it’s over your head…sort of a duh thing imo

574 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:21:54pm

re: #571 ggt

Hey all,

Sup?

To bed, to bed
Says Sleepyhead
Rest awhile says Slow
Put on the pan
Says Greedy Nan
We’ll sup before we go…

575 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:22:34pm

re: #573 albusteve

it’s only money…if you have to go to extremes, it’s over your head…sort of a duh thing imo

The amazon deals are a bit of a sport, and don’t involve people shoving you.

They do involve furious clicking.

576 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:22:43pm

re: #565 Jimmi the Grey

Hope that helps some.

Awareness?
Nah.
It appears to me they are Anarchists hiding behind Socialists hiding behind Progressives.

We live in a representative democracy. If you have a problem with certain aspects of our system, write your congressman.

577 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:23:29pm

The Whole Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac thing has be perplexed. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to have them traded publically? What was the purpose of listing them on the exchange?

Did they need the influx of cash?

578 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:24:22pm

re: #576 Racer X

Awareness?
Nah.
It appears to me they are Anarchists hiding behind Socialists hiding behind Progressives.

We live in a representative democracy. If you have a problem with certain aspects of our system, write your congressman.

wrapped in an enigma of human behavior?

579 blueraven  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:24:51pm

re: #576 Racer X

Awareness?
Nah.
It appears to me they are Anarchists hiding behind Socialists hiding behind Progressives.

We live in a representative democracy. If you have a problem with certain aspects of our system, write your congressman.

We also have the right to protest. Would you like to change that?

580 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:25:21pm

I think I see the real problem.

Percentage of Millionaires:
America = under 1%
Congress = over 50%

581 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:25:56pm

re: #579 blueraven

We also have the right to protest. Would you like to change that?

No.

582 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:25:58pm

re: #551 freetoken

When I just searched Google for “orchid”, for everything within the past 24 hours, the Google super-algorithm tells me there are 359,000 items.

And almost at the top, at #2 on the first page… is an LGF Page!

You know, orchids have to be the most x-rated looking flower evah!

583 jaunte  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:26:14pm

re: #580 Racer X

They probably aren’t reading their mail.

584 blueraven  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:26:15pm

re: #580 Racer X

I think I see the real problem.

Percentage of Millionaires:
America = under 1%
Congress = over 50%

That’s one of the problems.

585 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:26:26pm

re: #576 Racer X

Ok. You asked, and I tried to shed some light, but if you have prejudged them as dirty hippies…

586 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:26:37pm

re: #576 Racer X

Awareness?
Nah.
It appears to me they are Anarchists hiding behind Socialists hiding behind Progressives.

We live in a representative democracy. If you have a problem with certain aspects of our system, write your congressman.

Write your congressman? Are you serious? Really?!? Now THAT’S a useless gesture.

587 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:27:08pm

re: #577 ggt

The Whole Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac thing has be perplexed. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to have them traded publically? What was the purpose of listing them on the exchange?

Did they need the influx of cash?

high crimes, but it’s all buried now….the assholes that drove us into this mess are sitting on the beach, drinking your dollars shaken not stirred

588 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:27:25pm

re: #580 Racer X

I think I see the real problem.

Percentage of Millionaires:
America = under 1%
Congress = over 50%

Well, duh! That’s OWS in a bleeping nutshell.

589 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:27:48pm

re: #578 ggt

wrapped in an enigma of human behavior?

Exactly!
Human behavior is greed. We want stuff. OWS protesters are mad at Wall Street because they are greedy?

590 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:28:01pm

re: #580 Racer X

I think I see the real problem.

Percentage of Millionaires:
America = under 1%
Congress = over 50%

What is sad is that it takes a millionaire to even survive in Congress —financially. Joe the Plumber is going to have a rude awakening if he get’s elected.

591 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:29:32pm

re: #585 Jimmi the Grey

Ok. You asked, and I tried to shed some light, but if you have prejudged them as dirty hippies…

I don’t recall saying that.

/I was thinking it.

592 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:30:12pm

re: #583 jaunte

They probably aren’t reading their mail.

No, the problem is that you’re not sending enough $ with yours.

Just sayin… LOL.

Some rights are more equal cost more than others.

593 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:30:23pm

re: #589 Racer X

Exactly!
Human behavior is greed. We want stuff. OWS protesters are mad at Wall Street because they are greedy?

I firmly believe we are hedonists. The trick is to convince people it is best to delay rewards to avoid short-term consequences. Something, I think, that has been traditionally left to religion.

594 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:31:53pm

re: #591 Racer X

I don’t recall saying that.

/I was thinking it.

I inferred that from your comments. The odd part was I was correct for once!

595 Racer X  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:32:52pm

I just think the OWS crowd is protesting in the wrong places. Their Our political leaders have failed them (us).

Protesting Wall Street is like being hungry and protesting the supermarket.

596 albusteve  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:34:32pm

re: #593 ggt

I firmly believe we are hedonists. The trick is to convince people it is best to delay rewards to avoid short-term consequences. Something, I think, that has been traditionally left to religion.

religion…bilk the masses to buy back your redemption from sin, their own invention…nice work, the greatest scam ever

597 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:34:48pm

re: #580 Racer X

I think I see the real problem.

Percentage of Millionaires:
America = under 1%
Congress = over 50%

See also

And Congress’ Rich Get Richer

Net Worth of Lawmakers Up 25 Percent in Two Years, Analysis Demonstrates

Members of Congress such as Rep. Michael McCaul reported major increases in their net worth, and Congress’ collective net worth also increased.

Members of Congress had a collective net worth of more than $2 billion in 2010, a nearly 25 percent increase over the 2008 total, according to a Roll Call analysis of Members’ financial disclosure forms.

Nearly 90 percent of that increase is concentrated in the 50 richest Members of Congress.

Two years ago, Roll Call found that the minimum net worth of House Members was slightly more than $1 billion; Senators had a combined minimum worth of $651 million for a Congressional total of $1.65 billion. Roll Call calculates minimum net worth by adding the minimum values of all reported assets and subtracting the minimum values of all reported liabilities.

According to financial disclosure forms filed by Members of Congress this year, the minimum net worth in the House has jumped to $1.26 billion, and Senate net worth has climbed to at least $784 million, for a Congressional total of $2.04 billion.

[Link: www.rollcall.com…]

598 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:35:39pm

re: #595 Racer X

I just think the OWS crowd is protesting in the wrong places. Their Our political leaders have failed them (us).

Protesting Wall Street is like being hungry and protesting the supermarket.

Yes, it was Congress that failed. Pushing unrealistic quotes to get low-income people into homes they couldn’t afford. Seriously, what is wrong with Condos?

How about economic education BEFORE you encourage home buying?

Just one of the failures I’ve found in my research.

It was an major FAIL on the part of people who KNEW better and didn’t think they consequences would ever bite THEM in the ass.

599 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:36:23pm

re: #595 Racer X

They’ve been in the news every night for a month. They have spawned protests in every major, and many midrange, metropolitan area in the nation. They are being discussed on all the major blogs. People are talking about them in the taverns, pubs and coffee shops.

I think they picked the right place to protest, considering their goal of increasing awareness and starting a national conversation.

But what do I know, I’m one of those dirty hippies…/

600 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:37:02pm

re: #589 Racer X

Exactly!
Human behavior is greed. We want stuff. OWS protesters are mad at Wall Street because they are greedy?

Being against greed is okay, but that’s just morals. No basis for sensible political action. “Greed” is always what the other guy does.

Being against fraud, however, is another thing: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Methinks they should occupy the SEC.

601 blueraven  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:41:45pm

re: #589 Racer X

Exactly!
Human behavior is greed. We want stuff. OWS protesters are mad at Wall Street because they are greedy?

Yes and No. Not just because they are greedy, but their greed comes at the expense of all others. When a CEO makes a multi-million dollar salary that rises each year (along with their bonuses) while the average joe at the company does not get a raise, or barely one…that’s a problem. Don’t you think?

It is the incestuous relationship between corporations and government that is the problem. Its not either or, its both.

602 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:43:16pm

re: #599 Jimmi the Grey

They’ve been in the news every night for a month. They have spawned protests in every major, and many midrange, metropolitan area in the nation. They are being discussed on all the major blogs. People are talking about them in the taverns, pubs and coffee shops.

I think they picked the right place to protest, considering their goal of increasing awareness and starting a national conversation.

But what do I know, I’m one of those dirty hippies…/

Right place, but the wrong time of year, I think. While some places in California or Georgia may hand on, I think the protests in places like Boston and Chicago will have withered away by mid-January. Many northern cities are simply too cold for too many days in a row to maintain an outdoor presence overnight. The cold can be deadly, and enduring will prove too much. So the protesters will go home, defeated by brutal forces commanded by one of Russia’s greatest generals, General Winter.

603 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:43:25pm

re: #600 000G

Being against greed is okay, but that’s just morals. No basis for sensible political action. “Greed” is always what the other guy does.

Being against fraud, however, is another thing: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Methinks they should occupy the SEC.

Considering Insider Trading Laws don’t apply to Congress Critters

604 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:44:52pm

re: #500 recusancy

I watched Hell On Wheels, and I liked it ok, it’s about the transcontinental railroad. The outlaw rebel soldier who freed his slaves before the civil war is unecessary, but its a tv drama, not a documentary. I prefer fiction so if it’s a good story, I can suspend my disbelief.
I’ll watch it till it sucks.

605 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:46:41pm

re: #604 OhNoZombies!

I watched Hell On Wheels, and I liked it ok, it’s about the transcontinental railroad. The outlaw rebel soldier who freed his slaves before the civil war is unecessary, but its a tv drama, not a documentary. I prefer fiction so if it’s a good story, I can suspend my disbelief.
I’ll watch it till it sucks.

Did it talk about the Chinese Workers?

606 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:48:27pm

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

Truth. I lived in Minneapolis from 1993 to 2000, so I can relate to how cold it gets. Though I think they may survive in a reduced capacity. Homeless people camp in New York 365/year and survive, I bet there are some hardcores who can manage to represent.

Besides, even without token representation at intercity campsites, the message is out there, and the movement is moving along. Next phase may not require an actual, physical occupation.

607 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 8:48:35pm

re: #605 ggt

Not yet. It was the first episode so it was introducing the main character.

608 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 9:12:11pm

re: #576 Racer X

Awareness?
Nah.
It appears to me they are Anarchists hiding behind Socialists hiding behind Progressives.

We live in a representative democracy. If you have a problem with certain aspects of our system, write your congressman.

because that worked great for black people

609 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 9:14:33pm

re: #595 Racer X

I just think the OWS crowd is protesting in the wrong places. Their Our political leaders have failed them (us).

Protesting Wall Street is like being hungry and protesting the supermarket.

well, you just go to the top of the food chain

when the politicians don’t do it for ya, just protest the guys writing the checks to the politicians

Seems pretty obvious to me

Or are you actually going to tell me with a very serious Republican straight face that congresspeople aren’t bought and paid for

610 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 9:18:35pm

re: #606 Jimmi the Grey

Truth. I lived in Minneapolis from 1993 to 2000, so I can relate to how cold it gets. Though I think they may survive in a reduced capacity. Homeless people camp in New York 365/year and survive, I bet there are some hardcores who can manage to represent.

Besides, even without token representation at intercity campsites, the message is out there, and the movement is moving along. Next phase may not require an actual, physical occupation.

The homeless tend to camp in less exposed locations than the middle of a park. OWS might do itself a favor by seeing if there is such a location they could use. They wouldn’t have to call an end to the protest, they could just say that the core encampment has moved to winter quarters.

611 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 9:19:26pm

re: #605 ggt

Did it talk about the Chinese Workers?

If he’s working with the UP heading west you won’t see many Chinese. Those crews were mainly with the railroad coming east from California.

IIRC, the UP crews had a decent number of ACW veterans mixed in. And a lot of the construction leaders had been officers in the war and thus had some experience in handling and coordinating fairly large groups of men. (And probably in some cases considerable experience in taking railroads apart if they had been on the right campaigns.)

612 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 9:30:14pm

re: #611 oaktree

If he’s working with the UP heading west you won’t see many Chinese. Those crews were mainly with the railroad coming east from California.

IIRC, the UP crews had a decent number of ACW veterans mixed in. And a lot of the construction leaders had been officers in the war and thus had some experience in handling and coordinating fairly large groups of men. (And probably in some cases considerable experience in taking railroads apart if they had been on the right campaigns.)

And building them too, since the Union army had notable numbers of officers and men devoted to railroad construction and maintenance.

613 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 10:06:35pm

re: #358 Charles

Heh. I see some right wingers on Twitter are already pitching a fit over my use of the word “token.”

So very predictable.

When white conservatives finally stop trying to utilize every nonwhite in their path as tokens/things/utilitaritarian objects, the word will not hurt them so much.

Maybe they should stop looking at the entire planet that way, as things to be used in gaining money and things.

614 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 10:39:39pm

re: #555 000G

Weren’t we talking about cops earlier?:

We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies

[Link: articles.nydailynews.com…]

Arrest quotas? Where are all these quotas for arrests and deportations coming from?

Impossible. No cop ever participates in dishonest dealings, this is America!


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